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You are to become Prophets, Guru Nanak’s Birthday Puja

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Guru Nanak’s Birthday Puja, "You are to become Prophets". Hampstead Temple, London (UK), 23 November 1980. Today is a special day of Guru Nanaka's birthday. We have celebrated one Guru puja and, as you know that, Guru Nanak was also the incarnation of the Primordial Master. The same Spirit came on this Earth. And he's the one who tried to re-establish the work of Mohammed. Mohammed was the incarnation of the same Spirit - the Primordial Master. He came on this earth to establish the religion. Islam is the name of that religion, is the religion of every Sahaja Yogi, of every Christian, of every Hindu. We all belong to one religion which believes in expanding our awareness to the new perception of collectivity. From human level to the higher level where you can perceive and manifest the Divine Power. This is the religion we are following. All the religions were established on this Earth to create the seekers. You are the seekers. You are the "men of God." Now, all of you have to become prophets. And to become prophets today's Sahaja Yoga has taken the form of Mahayoga. All of you have to become prophets. The prophets have two special qualities, as all the prophets had: First of all, they have to talk about spiritual education. All of them did that. Mohammed Saheb did it, Raja Janaka did it, Nanaka did it, Moses did it, Abraham did it. All of them prophesised and taught you how to lead yourself in the right path, by the right action, by leading a right life. You are going to be the prophets of a little different nature. You are prophets, you are Islamic, you are Jews, you are Parsees, you are all those, but you are going to become prophets which are called as "pir' in Islam, in Hindu scriptures it's called as "Atmasakshatkari’, "Atmajas." In the way Nanaka has described, he calls them "par." But you are endowed with a greater power. There’s more power in you. There they had a bigger propensity. You have another delicate power by which you can raise the Kundalini of people. You are going to be prophets who are going to make others prophets. Not only to establish religion but to make them prophets. This is the most important thing. Not just to maintain a static state of righteous religious good people but to evolve those seekers, those righteous, good, religious people into prophets. And those prophets whom you will evolve will also be the same type of prophets but they will also have this additional power by which they will also evolve. That is why it is a Mahayoga. This is the greatest work in the history of all spiritual history, that you are the prophets who are looking after the men of God, and you are going to transform them into prophets. To have so many prophets now, for me - you can't imagine how happy I must be feeling. I have been, sometimes, very, very sharp with you. Sometimes I had to goad you. Sometimes I had to love you, express my love in that way, that you could feel that Mother is very kind. Sometimes I had to be very critical. Sometimes also angry. Behind all these aspects of your Mother, She is nothing but Love. Because She loves you so much, and She knows that you have to be the prophets. Your calibre may not be of the same level as those prophets, maybe - you can't say - but definitely you have got special powers. Like, you can say, an old Rolls Royce might be a better car as far as the propensity goes, or an effect goes, or its behaviour goes - is a good car. But one of the modern ones may have more capacity to show new acrobats. For example it may tumble down, it may go round the whole place and nothing will happen to it. Maybe, after some time, you might find a car which goes half way and comes up a little, like a hovercraft and then goes in the air, and then again drops back. So, this new generation of great prophets are here before me. But the big difference between them and you is this: that none of them had a Mother to guide them, to love them, to encourage them when they were depressed, and also to spoil them. But you have here a Mother who may apparently look to be spoiling her children. But She is the Master of Masters and She knows how far to take them and how to correct them. Now, for all of you, I have to tell you that you have to develop your independent discretion. First of all we have to know that, in this new realm where you have entered, you have to have proper spiritual education, about which I have given you so many lectures and things. But education doesn't mean listening to lectures after Realisation, it means it should be imbibed within you, it should penetrate into your veins, and into your every artery, into every cell of your being. You have to educate yourself spiritually. And Guru Nanaka prophesised, just like William Blake, that, “The men of God are going to come during Kali Yuga, and there will be many prophets who will be transforming prophets, who will be transforming people into prophet state,” [this] he had prophesised. They have all prophesised about you! Now you have to prophesise (sic) about those who are going to be prophets. But, as it is, you know that we need spiritual education. Because your Guru is a Mother we lack discipline. There's complete freedom for all of you. You know that if you go to a guru what kind of discipline you have to observe! I mean the real one, also. Unreal, of course. But even the real ones, how they test your attention. Even for the smallest thing, how they treat you. I'll give an example of Ravi Shankar, who was a very great, you know, who is a very great sitar player: my father was an advisor to the Maharaja of Maihar where their guru (Allauddin Khan) was living. This guru was a Muslim but he used to worship Kali, Mother. He used to worship Mother! And [a] very self disciplined man. They say he died at the age of 110 or 120 - Allauddin Khan Saheb. And this Ravi Shankar was there. I saw him as a young man, and this Ali Akbar (Allauddin Khan’s son) whom you heard. They were literally frightened of their guru, who was a master himself. He knew so many of these instruments. One day my father, whom he used to respect very much, always used to bow to him, though he was a Muslim, they touched feet because my father was a great connoisseur of music, and a supporter of music, and he bowed to him and he said, “Now, should I play?” So he said, “Why not ask your disciple, this Ravi Shankar, to play?” And he said, “Yes, yes, come along, play.” he said, “Not today sir. Please, not today.” he was very frightened. Then he said, “Alright, let it be!” he started playing. He used to play on mrudangam. Used to play beautiful mrudangam - tremendous! I mean, you can't imagine! he was a Realised-soul, no doubt. Then Ravi Shankar, when he finished and he bowed to my father and he went away. Then Ravi Shankar came to my father and he said, “Don't ask me to play before my guruji!” he lifted his head and said, “See here. Do you see this bump? This morning only, he hit me with my sitar, which he broke, and this is the bump I have got!” So my father said, “What did you do?” he said, “Only one note I played wrong! That too not wrong but little out of tune, and on that point he has broken this part of my head and I have been in this terrible pain and he said, “You are not to see any doctor!” And really there was a big bump. He had covered it like that, with the hair. (Laughter) That's why today they have fame as great masters, because to be masters you have to obey your master and to discipline yourself. The spiritual education in Sahaja Yoga, under Mataji Nirmala Devi, is absolutely left to your own wisdom: there is no force, there is no compulsion, there is no organisation. It is you who has to feel the joy of your Spirit and it is you who has to share it with others. It is you who has to raise the Kundalini of others. Now, today, when we are thinking of a Great Prophet who, on this Earth, came to establish good relationships between Hindus and Muslims. Imagine, when Mohammed Sahib came he did not know that he was facing these horrible people there who murdered him. Actually they murdered him. They gave him poison. And when he died he said that, “There will not be any need for any prophet to come in.” Naturally, if you torture somebody, what else he's going to say? Also, he felt that whatever he has said, being such a truth, it will definitely prosper and the seed has been sown. And he said, “There is no need for another advent of a master.” But he found out that there was a big aggression by the so-called followers of Mohammed, who talked of nothing but rehmat ( - )تمحرis compassion. Now, before his death he encountered all kinds of attacks from the negative people. Of all of them, the worst of all! I think he has suffered the worst. He had to move from places to places, hiding the children away from negative forces, [from] tribes to tribes. It was a tremendous life, the way he led it. And all his life there was nothing but struggle for existence. Only struggle for existence. When Nanaka came in, he saw that Hindus and Muslims were fighting, so he started his theme with Kabira, saying that, “Ram and Rahim are both the same, and how can you differentiate between the two?” All their theme was like this, of integration of these two main religions which existed in India. That time, there was no question of giving Realisation. People were trying to defend their faiths and fight each other and kill each other. Imagine! Created by the same Spirit! Fighting among themselves! How silly it must be, and absurd. In many places Nanak Saheb has proved that he was Mohammed. Once, he was lying down and his feet were towards Mecca. So people said, “How can you put your feet towards Mecca?” He had Muslim disciples and also Hindu disciples. He said, “Alright, whichever way you say, I'll put my feet.” He turned round his feet. They said, “Still you are towards Mecca.” He went round and round and round [but] still they saw him facing Mecca! And they could not understand how it was that he was facing, his feet were towards Mecca, that Mecca was at his lotus feet. Same with Mohammed. Now, all these great incarnations had a special power over water. Because you know, in the stomach we have our Void and Nabhi Chakra which is made of ocean. Ocean represents the incarnation of Adi Guru - Dattatreya. These had great powers over oceans and over water. Like Moses - he crossed the ocean by creating a road. That's one of the very significant things which shows that the Void can be crossed with the help of the Guru. And even Mohammed Saheb had a tremendous power over ocean. Then, Nanaka once put his hand on a rock and water started coming out of that. People were amazed how it started. And that's why it is called as ‘Punja-saheb’. ‘Punja’ means ‘the hand’. ‘Punja’ means ‘the five fingers', like this. What do you say to this, this part, [of the] hand? Hand with five fingers? Yogis: This is the palm. Shri Mataji: No, no, not the palm! The whole thing. Like this is a punja. ‘Hand’. Yogis: The hand. The open hand. Shri Mataji: But hand can be like this (a fist) you see? This way. There's no word, alright. So this is ‘punja’ - this is five. And ‘punjab’ is five waters, five rivers - in that area - are called Punjab. Now, another thing about these: all these incarnations had to deal with your attention. So they were particular about looking after your attention. And that is why, from the time Moses or Abraham came in, they talked of no alcoholism. All of them. It is written very clearly in The Bible that the strong alcohols, fermented, should not be taken. If you don't want to read it, one need not. But they think it was Moses who said it and Christ did not say - so Christians can take it, the Moses people should not take it. There is no breaking of link between Moses and Christ. They are of the same tree, of the same pattern, of the same thing. But those who want to use Moses for their own purpose will follow as much as Moses has said, and those who want to follow Christ will follow only as much as Christ has said, because it's very good for them. For such useless people Sahaja Yoga has no place. We have to understand that all these people have said for our good and for the maintenance of our spiritual life and none of them are to be criticised or to be challenged but to be fully respected as our Guru. All of them. Whether one belongs to Islam religion or to the Jew religion or to the Christian religion or to the Hindu religion. And if they are fanatic they are going against their guru - it is against their guru. So, they were against fanaticism. First thing they were against [was] alcoholism. That's the first thing, they thought, because somehow human beings take to alcoholism very fast. At the time of Mohammed Saheb, people did not know how to smoke. Then they developed, became modern. At the time of Nanaka they started smoking so he prohibited that. But Mohammed Sahib said that, “Anything that goes against your awareness, any intoxication of any kind” - he generally, he gave a very general instruction, “is against God.” So, our training, our spiritual education should be that we cannot be fanatics anymore. If you are fanatic anymore, or you are identified with any one of your old ideas, then beware! Be very, very careful! You cannot have fanatic ideas anymore if you want to be a good Sahaja Yogi or a Maha Yogi - meaning a person who is a prophet, not only a prophet, but who is capable of transforming others into prophets. First is, you have to be away from alcoholism. You should be deadly against it. Whenever you have a chance you find it that it is possible for you to say something against alcoholism. It should be absolutely boycotted. Every place, anywhere you meet, it should be smoking or any kind of intoxication, drugging, anything, has to be completely branded as anti-God, anti-Sahaja Yoga. Then, fanaticism of any kind. That lingers on. This is another very deep misidentification. I am aware of it. I did not talk of Catholicism till the other day I went to Portugal, when I had to talk. So I said [for the] first time. I never talked about Protestants before, till I had to talk that they are another mad race going round! There are 27 churches of this kind. None of them, except for we, are really Christians. All are nonsensical fanatics: Seventh Day Adventists and Pentecostals, and this and that. All are absurd ideas! All are playing into the hands of bhoots, take it from me. They have nothing to do with God, they are anti-God. All those who still stick on to all these churches and to this kind of fanaticism - I am saying here of churches because here I have to talk about churches - should know that all these churches have now become the place of bhoots. You'll go to one church and you'll rush to me! From my house I see in the night, hosts of bhoots waiting out of the church. (Laughter) I do not know! (laughing) And somehow it's happening that, whatever house I decide to stay in, there's a big church in front of me. (Laughter) It may be a Catholic church, may be a Protestant church. And they have seen to it that they make it really bhootish by making all those who die stay in that church. They are not Realised people. Realised people only should be buried and all others should be burnt off. It's better. At least the bhoots go out of them. And they are roaming about in the church, and you are taking the children down there into the cemetery! Apart from that wherever there is a anadhikaar cheshta (अनधिकार चेष्टा meaning ‘unauthorised activity’) - when it is unauthorised - Gods do not exist there. They leave the place. So, we have to know that we are no more fanatics. First and foremost thing is that we cannot be fanatics. Now, training ourselves is very important, spiritual education is very important. But in Sahaja Yoga, as your Mother is a very kind teacher, but even such a kind teacher is not such a help sometimes because all corrections are left to yourself, and then you commit really blunders and then you think, “Why didn't Mother tell us? Why didn't She protect us, why didn't She correct?” But this is the style I have adopted because in modern times, Sahaja Yoga is working out because I do not challenge your ego. Otherwise you would have crucified me long time back. So I leave it to you to decide to discipline yourself. It is for you to discipline yourself and understand yourself. Now, the best way to discipline yourself is to find out, “What's wrong with me?” Not with others. We are very good at that. I have seen every day there's some complaint about somebody coming from someone. But there are very few who will say, “This is wrong with me, Mother, what to do?” So just try to find out what is wrong with you. You are like a fort. The fort has some sort of a weakness. So, the man in charge of the fort - what do you call him? We call kiledaar ( किलेदार ) because a fort is kila and the gentleman is the owner of the kila, is called as kiledaar. Now, this kiledaar finds out what are the weak points of the fort and he sees to it that they are all corrected one by one. We are just the other way round. We know we have weaknesses which we hide and keep them there as they are. Whatever strong points we have that we boast of and we try to see the weaknesses of others, and from these loopholes all these negative things creep in and suddenly you find that you are finished. So try to find out what are your weaknesses. One of the weaknesses, which is very common is that we are very materialistic people, we are still very materialistic, extremely materialistic. And the materialism is getting subtler and subtler the subtler we be. Try to give up some things. Keep a kind of a little balanced attitude, a little detached attitude, not too many things. Few things of value. Try to detach yourself. I don't say you become sanyasis. That is also another thing against. But from inside you detach. See, I'm wearing a very nice sari, but from inside see what is the colour. (Laughter) From inside you should be detached, not from outside. So that, try to practice this detachment. Whatever you want to possess, you just don't possess. Teach your body, teach your mind: “No! You want a shirt? No!Nothing doing!” You try. Train up your body. Now some people want comfort, the body wants comfort. Alright, “You want comfort? No, I will sleep on the ground and teach you a lesson!” Teach your body a lesson! Teach your wants and desires a lesson! Let's see what happens. Now, I don't know why, but in England it should not be so. I mean I expected people absolutely detached because they have got everything. But here it is much more attachment than detachment. There is no satisfaction of any kind. So, a kind of a detachment must be developed, to your desires, to your belongings, to your possessions and whatever kind of a material aspect you want to build up. I always said that you must not look like people who are coming from the lunatic asylum, that’s true, but you should also not look like a dandy person, with a flair, a big bow here, and a sort of a thing. You should be in the centre. And how are you in centre? When you are detached. Then nothing can impress you. But that doesn't mean…some people I've seen that outside they make a show, that they are absolutely dishevelled, absolutely in a very filthy condition, smelling like pigs. (Laughter) They think they are going to take an avatara of Varaha (boar incarnation of Shri Vishnu) by smelling like pigs! And all sorts of funny things they do in the name of detachment. No - detachment is within. Try to practice it. That is one of the educations you have to develop. How do you develop that detachment? Is by giving things away. Not to me, but giving things away to others. Say you reach a certain state of - say you have two suits. If you have a third one then give it away. Give away things. It’s a very good way of developing detachment, and enjoying the giving away than possessing. It’s greater, is much greater, take it from me, is much greater than possessing. Now for you, at this stage, I cannot say, but maybe after some time, it will become that I prophesise that you will become sinless, absolutely sinless. You cannot do sin and whatever you do will not be sin. I am sinless. Even if I rob you of all your wealth nobody can say I have committed sin. I am absolutely sinless. Even if I kill thousands and thousands of people nobody would say that I have killed because I am sinless. But, despite all that state, I do not commit any so-called sin because I have to lay down my life in such a way that you people follow. That you should not tomorrow say that, “Mother did this, She has done this so why not we?” That's why I'm so very particular. At the same point I would like to tell you that today Chaya, in her sweetness, went and bought a very expensive sari. And she brought with such love and affection to me, that I had told her just buy me a £10 worth of a shawl and she couldn't bear the idea. But she should know [that] for me anything is valuable that you give to me. Nothing expensive is needed. Even if you give me the most expensive I have every right on that. But you must understand that if this practice is continued too much it will create a bad public opinion. So, at the most, definitely decide that you'll give me only two saris, that’s all. I don't need even these two. And I can have all of them. So, the situation is such that we have to be very careful about the public opinion, and people may start saying tomorrow, “Oh! Mother, She wears all expensive saris.” Let my husband buy for me, he has lots of money! And you can buy me very ordinary things. And I told once Modi that, “You buy me khadi (homespun) saris, that’s the best,” but he couldn't bear it. It was too much for him. He says that, “Mother, we are middle class people and we are giving you something middle class.” I said, “Alright." So, once for all I told them, “Alright, you buy some saris.” And then I bought for them, one of them is this one, and I don't know if the whole money is paid - most of the money I have paid. But still, you know, there was somebody who came out with an objection! I know you love me very much and you want to do something for me like that, but I would request that try to get things which are sober and simple for me. By God's Grace, you should know your Mother is looked after, you don't have to worry. Supposing I was a beggar then you would have had to spend much more money but that is not so. And it is not that it is in any way wrong, on the contrary, it's a very great thing. After all these are going to be in your Mother's personal archives and people are going to see what saris you people gave me, and they're going to be very happy - of course, no doubt - and that's going to be very, very great for you. But, still, where the public is concerned you be careful and understand that when you do anything like that for me, this public is mad and we have to keep a proper balance. Now, about training yourself, as I said, detachment, then another thing is astuteness - astuteness. Try to develop astute habits - astute - specially for religious work. First of all understand that you have to give some money for Sahaja Yoga work. In that you should be astute. I was amazed to hear from some people that for food also you want to have free - that sometimes you had food you didn't pay even one pound. I mean this is absurd. If you were beggars is alright, but for Sahaja Yoga, first of all, it's not too much. But little you have to pay. And you should not make your Mother pay for you. It's wrong. I never said this before, but today I'm telling you. Not aesthetically, but spiritually it is wrong that I should pay for you. It's alright - I may give you a dinner, it's different, I may give you anything, it's different, but that you should not try to take advantage in any way or exploit in any way this Mother of yours, who has got lots of things other than what you know of, which can work out against your spiritual growth. So just don't do anything like that. No exploitation. Learn that. Those who have done such a thing must decide that no more like that. Now, I'll tell you a difference between Indians and you people is this: that an Indian would never do that. We had one Indian coming here and he was not such a big Sahaja Yogi, but he used to come for his puja, and he would not take money for his puja and these people had to fight with him. Ask him, he's sitting down, he would not take. But how materialistic we are! And then, when people mesmerise you then you buy a Rolls Royce for that person, and here a Mother is giving you all the freedom, so you are exploiting your Mother! “I have no job,” all this is wrong. You must pay for your food, and must pay where you have to pay. That's your dharma, that's your religion, of every Sahaja Yogi. Alright, you need not pay too much, but you must pay where it has to be paid. And never take a parasitic attitude. That will kill your growth, will dwarf you. I am warning you about it. Astuteness. For payment, for accounting, for everything, one has to be extremely astute. Like, I'll tell you, I have seen people used to come to my house, long time back - I shouldn't say this but [it] used to be so funny - they would go in the kitchen, take out anything, eat anything, walk off anywhere. It was amazing! Our cooks could not understand. Nobody could understand such people. Just coming in the house, walking into the kitchen, taking off whatever they like, eat anything. Like bounders! This training has to come within you where you must realise and understand that astuteness towards Sahaja Yoga has to be maintained. Like going into the ashram, walking into somebody's kitchen, taking out things. Using the ashram in a state as if it does not matter. It's ashram! It’s a pure thing. You cannot fight in an ashram. You cannot talk loudly in an ashram. You have to lead a pure life in an ashram. You cannot play games with each other. You cannot make it dirty. You cannot spoil it, otherwise your spiritual growth won't come up. This is the simplest thing one should know, is to respect Sahaja Yoga. Love without respect has no meaning. You have to respect, and respect the place, respect everything. Keep it clean, be astute about it. And this is one of the greatest trainings. I don't know how, but to a British mind it should not be told, because they are known for this kind of a training! But I don't know, because now you are saints, I think, I feel that you have had other kind of training before, that you are born as saints. Perhaps you have no self-esteem yet, of the value that should be given to your own character. Without that, nobody is going to be impressed by you. Nobody is going to be impressed by you. Nobody is going to become a prophet. You have to first of all impress. You have to dress up in such a way that you impress others. It's a very important thing in Sahaja Yoga. You have to talk in such a way that you impress others. Supposing somebody's very fat, he must reduce, somebody's very thin, he must put on. He must try to have a body of the centre. Should not allow the body to move this way or that way. One has to be in a proper shape, in proper dress, because you have to impress on others. You must know that if the personality is not impressive how are you going to communicate? Because first of all the people see you, those of you who come to you, see your outside. They don't see your vibrations they see your outside. So, all of you must learn how to dress up and how to behave towards others, how to appear before others, how to talk to others, so that you become prophets who will do wonders and who will transform many, many, many more people into the same state as you are. Now, this training you have to take yourself. The another point in training in Sahaja Yoga is that you have to read. There are many people who have not read even Gregoire's book, leave alone any other. You have to learn certain things like chakras and centres and mantras and you have to dedicate. Even people like Vivekanada's who never got Realisation - do you know, these people, twelve people - they used to study for fourteen hours. Now you will know what to study, what not to study, and even if you study wrong things, you will know where it is wrong. So you have to study. For example, there are Jews with us - let them study Torah and see there where is it, Sahaja Yoga, in there written down. Find it out! If you are Christians read the Bible, find out. You should read Gita, you should read Upanishadas, and you should be masters. You'll find that Sahaj Yoga is such a light that you will know what it is. We have got the Devi's names and the Sahastranamas: try to read them and try to understand the meaning of that and try to understand what it means, how far it goes. That's how the depth of your knowledge will increase and your Sahaja Yoga will tell you what is right and what is wrong. Now emotionally, some of you have terribly emotional weaknesses: the idea of ‘love’. [About] that I must speak to you because it has come from a group of people who went into another style against the ego-oriented people. And they believe that love means hugging each other, kissing each other. This type [of] nonsense is not love. Love is this, that flows, that is love. And understand the person through this alone. And all nonsensical loves that people talk of is not love. When a person loves you he doesn't stare into you. If somebody stares into you then know he does not love you - he’s full of a bhoot. Only when a realised soul is angry he stares to drive out the badhas. So, anybody who stares into your eyes and says, “I have love,” then know that it is mesmerism. With discretion you will know this: that anybody who loves, only a glance is sufficient. But when it is an anti-Christ activity going on then you can stare at that person and the thing increases. So the idea of love is so absurd. Love is the one that corrects, that improves, that elevates, which is blissful. The relationship is blissful, not hallucinations. And this blissfulness is only felt through vibrations not through by hugging or by kissing or anything, just through vibrations. Of course, I don't say you should not hug each other and you should not kiss each other - you should, but that's not the way it is expressed, it's through the vibrations. It's the pure love of your being which emits just like light. Everything should be done in the proper education of the spiritual love. We are people of dignity and sobriety. I have told you this before. Like, some people have a habit of doing this in the --- no! If you are sitting in a posture try to sit for at least an hour - try. I have sat on one posture for nine hours, people have seen: didn't go to bathroom or eat anything and just sitting there nine hours. This is known as baithak is ‘the seat’. And this baithak has to be great in Sahaja Yoga. Try to establish your baithak, that is very important, so that your attention is brought in line with your Mooladhara and is straight there. Once you do that, practice it, you will find your spiritual growth would be better. Walk erect, be straight. In your talks be straight, kind and gentle. Need not shout. No Sahaja Yogi should shout at anybody else, should play games with another, should not in any way be angry with each other - is prohibited. Should not get into any tantrums of pulling your hair or doing something like that - is all nonsensical. You have to be very, very dignified. But another foxy method which we employ very much is to tease and provoke another Sahaja Yogi, which is even worse, because it hits you at a subtler point. Try to be straight, straightforward. Allow your mind to come to normal when you talk. If you have to say something, wait and try to say something nice, not artificial. Try to say something from your heart, not to show off. In talking also too much quietness is not good, too much talking is not good. Some suffer from too much talking and some do not talk at all. It's better to talk whenever it is necessary. Talk something sweet, no sharpness and sarcasm. That will spoil your Vishuddhi. Sarcasm is not allowed in Sahaja Yoga. You are not to be sarcastic to each other. Because of a new generation and a new race that you are, you have to learn that to keep your vibrations alright you have to have collectivity within you. Because you are collectively so much charged that's why the Kundalini's rising. If your collectivity breaks then it's a very, very, very, very wrong thing. So, try to be nice to each other, kind to each other, try to understand each other's problem. And never, never complain to me about any other Sahaja Yogi - till I ask. It's prohibited! If you have to say, tell me about yourself. Unless and until of course something happens, then it's alright, but not against anyone. Because you will only see the bad points of the another person and you will not imbibe the good points. You have to meditate and think about what you have to do to become the real prophets of modern times of Mahayoga. How you have to dress up, how you have to behave, how you have to talk, and how you have to be kindly, that you have to decide. On this day, I would say that I have talked a lot and only thing that you have to do is to imbibe it in you and not on others, that's all. To others you have to be kind, you have to be sweet, you have to be patient, gentle. Now, today's puja has to be very simple because it is the puja of Guru, who is an avadhuta. Avadhuta, as I told you, always teaches you that the whole thing is futile, all this pattern is futile. He even doesn't talk of any Deities, because he says, “Alright, let's worship the Abstract. Why talk of the Deity?” Though they will talk of the Mother, alright. All of them talk of the Mother. But not of a Deity, because they think if you talk of the Deity, people will talk more about the Deity and not about the essence. But talk is a talk. Only at this stage you are prophets who are talking about the Deities, and who are giving Realisation, and who know the Abstract is flowing through them. You are empowered to do that. You know all about Deities, and you know all about their mantras and you know how to awaken them and you know about yourself. You are all very great. This may be the last puja now in London. As a great thing we are worshipping today Guru Nanaka, that's me [so] that - may you become great Guru Nanakas. All of them were created by Adi Shakti. All these Gurus were created by her. And today I say that you all become as great as Guru Nanak, as great as Moses, as great as Sai Nath, as great as Nanaka, Janaka, Mohammed. All [of you] have to become as great as all these great incarnations. Just desire! Have earnestness in you and alertness to achieve it. [Only] earnestness is not sufficient, you have to be alert. I have already told you how to practice this alertness. Try to do it. I have told Hari certain things, you can ask him, and I have told other people also, how to become alert, and how to change your little habits here and there. Anything overdoing should be stopped: taking of too much tea, taking of too much milk, eating too much, too much reading. Anything like that, just try to moderate. Moderation has to be brought in, and you will be surprised [that] you can master your tongue, you can master it. May God bless you all, this day, in the name of Nanaka I bless you all with that great Spirit of Master, which you all should become - the great prophets who are going to change all the men of God into prophets. May God bless you! Today the puja has to be in a different way if you don't mind. Gavin, first of all you do me any favour. I have to tell you that today I want to give some presents to you all and accordingly I have brought some presents for you all. Because these are material things, but all are used by me, all are vibrated, and very spontaneously we are going to choose them all. It was within two hours time we have done some choosing. But in this one has to understand that it's all done just to express the Dhanesh Shakti of the Mother, just that She loves to give. She loves to give. Just out of joy that I had in Hampstead, I felt I should now give you something. It's beautiful there and that's how we have today tried to make some arrangement for that kind of a thing. So just before the puja I wanted to announce this and then we can have the puja - very simple one, because today is a day of simplicity - complete surrendering. Just imagine that these two colours are in the Void, green and yellow, and if you mix them what is the colour you get? Green and yellow? You get the blue. So the green is the Nature. So an avadhuta has to become one with the Nature. This is the sign of the Surya nadi, the Sun. That means an avadhuta has to be brilliant like the Sun, brilliant like the Sun, and that detached as the Sun is. All the detachment must come into him. He need not have liver on Sun line. He will not have liver if he knows what to eat and what not to eat. Normally all these gurus ate fruits, and they ate meat, never fats and that's how they kept their liver alright. This is, these are the two combinations which are there in the Void. And the combination of these two, when they combine, it makes a blue. What is the blue? Is the water. So, in the water. Now see the Gurus are surrounding the Lakshmi on the Nabhi. On the Nabhi is the Lakshmi is in the centre and they are surrounding her. They are her beauty. Without vairAgnya, without ascetic temperament, the Lakshmi has no meaning. It has no meaning. It is expressed in giving, is giving. That is what it means, that without vairAgnya the Lakshmi has no meaning. Without the feeling of giving Lakshmi has no meaning. Why should Lakshmi come to anyone if they do not want to give? And that is what one has to understand, is the significance of giving. Now, today's speciality is this, that: though I am the Lakshmi - alright, I am the Mahalakshmi in everything - but I am also Vairagyi, I am the detached. The One who is Nirmama, is beyond. Nobody can tie me, nobody can. Nothing can bound me. I just talk but it has no meaning, I am beyond. In the same way, all of you should try to be beyond. So, from the Lakshmi angle I want to give you something, because Lakshmi looks after the saints, and the saints have to be detached. That is the way it is going to work out. I hope you won't go back and wear kashayas, the orange robes (laughter). Discretion, discretion, has to mature. It’s the maturity of discretion now. So, now, for puja today, Chaya, let's have a very simple puja, whichever way you like. Now, have you got Guru's names? Just see it, their name. That I know, Graham. Guillemette: Guillemette. Shri Mataji: Loudly. Guillemette: Guillemette. Gavin Brown: Guillemette. Shri Mataji: How do you spell? Gavin Brown: G-u-i-l-l-e-m-e-t-t-e. Shri Mataji: What's your name, please? Loudly. Brian: Brian Shri Mataji: Brian? Rachel: Rachel Shri Mataji: Rachel? Christopher: Christopher Shri Mataji: Christopher? Christopher: Nicolas Shri Mataji: Nicolas. Shri Mataji: What’s your name please? Richard: Richard Mother. Bernard: Bernard Shri Mataji: Bernard. What’s your? Ian: Ian Shri Mataji: Now who else is here? Eileen? I now here. You haven't washed my hands? No, Isodor has. Alan you have? Never? Imagine! (laughter) Alright. So let's have the start. Gavin Brown: Gurur Brahma, Gurur Vishnu, Gurur Devo Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat Parabrahma, Shri Mataji Nirmala Ma, Tasmai Guruve namaha. Shri Mataji: You all know the meaning of this? Gurur Brahma, Gurur Vishnu, Gurur Devo Maheshwara. The Guru is the creator, Guru is the protector, and Guru is the existence and the destroyer. Guru is the embodiment of the Parabrahma, it's the beyond state. And to such a Guru we bow. Just a little you can take it on your fingers you can dip it, you see, and put it on your forehead, maybe. It's a water which is now [vibrated]. Haa! You will feel better. On the Sahasrara you can put it. Just sprinkle it all over you can. Let him do. Sprinkle it all over. Who are these? Maria is here. Yes. Jaldi karo! (hindi: do it quickly) Five people together should come forward - alright? Come along! Five of you. Yes. Come along! Get your finger into there and to my hand. Turn it like that, clockwise, with both the hands. Alright. Now you rub your own hand. Now come along, you do it. Come along. Rub it. It’s good.

Guru Nanak’s Birthday Puja, "You are to become Prophets". Hampstead Temple, London (UK), 23 November 1980. Today is a special day of Guru Nanaka's birthday. We have celebrated one Guru puja and, as you know that, Guru Nanak was also the incarnation of the Primordial Master. The same Spirit came on this Earth. And he's the one who tried to re-establish the work of Mohammed. Mohammed was the incarnation of the same Spirit - the Primordial Master. He came on this earth to establish the religion. Islam is the name of that religion, is the religion of every Sahaja Yogi, of every Christian, of every Hindu. We all belong to one religion which believes in expanding our awareness to the new perception of collectivity. From human level to the higher level where you can perceive and manifest the Divine Power. This is the religion we are following. All the religions were established on this Earth to create the seekers. You are the seekers. You are the "men of God." Now, all of you have to become prophets. And to become prophets today's Sahaja Yoga has taken the form of Mahayoga. All of you have to become prophets. The prophets have two special qualities, as all the prophets had: First of all, they have to talk about spiritual education. All of them did that. Mohammed Saheb did it, Raja Janaka did it, Nanaka did it, Moses did it, Abraham did it. All of them prophesised and taught you how to lead yourself in the right path, by the right action, by leading a right life. You are going to be the prophets of a little different nature. You are prophets, you are Islamic, you are Jews, you are Parsees, you are all those, but you are going to become prophets which are called as "pir' in Islam, in Hindu scriptures it's called as "Atmasakshatkari’, "Atmajas." In the way Nanaka has described, he calls them "par." But you are endowed with a greater power. There’s more power in you. There they had a bigger propensity. You have another delicate power by which you can raise the Kundalini of people. You are going to be prophets who are going to make others prophets. Not only to establish religion but to make them prophets. This is the most important thing. Not just to maintain a static state of righteous religious good people but to evolve those seekers, those righteous, good, religious people into prophets. And those prophets whom you will evolve will also be the same type of prophets but they will also have this additional power by which they will also evolve. That is why it is a Mahayoga. This is the greatest work in the history of all spiritual history, that you are the prophets who are looking after the men of God, and you are going to transform them into prophets. To have so many prophets now, for me - you can't imagine how happy I must be feeling. I have been, sometimes, very, very sharp with you. Sometimes I had to goad you. Sometimes I had to love you, express my love in that way, that you could feel that Mother is very kind. Sometimes I had to be very critical. Sometimes also angry. Behind all these aspects of your Mother, She is nothing but Love. Because She loves you so much, and She knows that you have to be the prophets. Your calibre may not be of the same level as those prophets, maybe - you can't say - but definitely you have got special powers. Like, you can say, an old Rolls Royce might be a better car as far as the propensity goes, or an effect goes, or its behaviour goes - is a good car. But one of the modern ones may have more capacity to show new acrobats. For example it may tumble down, it may go round the whole place and nothing will happen to it. Maybe, after some time, you might find a car which goes half way and comes up a little, like a hovercraft and then goes in the air, and then again drops back. So, this new generation of great prophets are here before me. But the big difference between them and you is this: that none of them had a Mother to guide them, to love them, to encourage them when they were depressed, and also to spoil them. But you have here a Mother who may apparently look to be spoiling her children. But She is the Master of Masters and She knows how far to take them and how to correct them. Now, for all of you, I have to tell you that you have to develop your independent discretion. First of all we have to know that, in this new realm where you have entered, you have to have proper spiritual education, about which I have given you so many lectures and things. But education doesn't mean listening to lectures after Realisation, it means it should be imbibed within you, it should penetrate into your veins, and into your every artery, into every cell of your being. You have to educate yourself spiritually. And Guru Nanaka prophesised, just like William Blake, that, “The men of God are going to come during Kali Yuga, and there will be many prophets who will be transforming prophets, who will be transforming people into prophet state,” [this] he had prophesised. They have all prophesised about you! Now you have to prophesise (sic) about those who are going to be prophets. But, as it is, you know that we need spiritual education. Because your Guru is a Mother we lack discipline. There's complete freedom for all of you. You know that if you go to a guru what kind of discipline you have to observe! I mean the real one, also. Unreal, of course. But even the real ones, how they test your attention. Even for the smallest thing, how they treat you. I'll give an example of Ravi Shankar, who was a very great, you know, who is a very great sitar player: my father was an advisor to the Maharaja of Maihar where their guru (Allauddin Khan) was living. This guru was a Muslim but he used to worship Kali, Mother. He used to worship Mother! And [a] very self disciplined man. They say he died at the age of 110 or 120 - Allauddin Khan Saheb. And this Ravi Shankar was there. I saw him as a young man, and this Ali Akbar (Allauddin Khan’s son) whom you heard. They were literally frightened of their guru, who was a master himself. He knew so many of these instruments. One day my father, whom he used to respect very much, always used to bow to him, though he was a Muslim, they touched feet because my father was a great connoisseur of music, and a supporter of music, and he bowed to him and he said, “Now, should I play?” So he said, “Why not ask your disciple, this Ravi Shankar, to play?” And he said, “Yes, yes, come along, play.” he said, “Not today sir. Please, not today.” he was very frightened. Then he said, “Alright, let it be!” he started playing. He used to play on mrudangam. Used to play beautiful mrudangam - tremendous! I mean, you can't imagine! he was a Realised-soul, no doubt. Then Ravi Shankar, when he finished and he bowed to my father and he went away. Then Ravi Shankar came to my father and he said, “Don't ask me to play before my guruji!” he lifted his head and said, “See here. Do you see this bump? This morning only, he hit me with my sitar, which he broke, and this is the bump I have got!” So my father said, “What did you do?” he said, “Only one note I played wrong! That too not wrong but little out of tune, and on that point he has broken this part of my head and I have been in this terrible pain and he said, “You are not to see any doctor!” And really there was a big bump. He had covered it like that, with the hair. (Laughter) That's why today they have fame as great masters, because to be masters you have to obey your master and to discipline yourself. The spiritual education in Sahaja Yoga, under Mataji Nirmala Devi, is absolutely left to your own wisdom: there is no force, there is no compulsion, there is no organisation. It is you who has to feel the joy of your Spirit and it is you who has to share it with others. It is you who has to raise the Kundalini of others. Now, today, when we are thinking of a Great Prophet who, on this Earth, came to establish good relationships between Hindus and Muslims. Imagine, when Mohammed Sahib came he did not know that he was facing these horrible people there who murdered him. Actually they murdered him. They gave him poison. And when he died he said that, “There will not be any need for any prophet to come in.” Naturally, if you torture somebody, what else he's going to say? Also, he felt that whatever he has said, being such a truth, it will definitely prosper and the seed has been sown. And he said, “There is no need for another advent of a master.” But he found out that there was a big aggression by the so-called followers of Mohammed, who talked of nothing but rehmat ( - )تمحرis compassion. Now, before his death he encountered all kinds of attacks from the negative people. Of all of them, the worst of all! I think he has suffered the worst. He had to move from places to places, hiding the children away from negative forces, [from] tribes to tribes. It was a tremendous life, the way he led it. And all his life there was nothing but struggle for existence. Only struggle for existence. When Nanaka came in, he saw that Hindus and Muslims were fighting, so he started his theme with Kabira, saying that, “Ram and Rahim are both the same, and how can you differentiate between the two?” All their theme was like this, of integration of these two main religions which existed in India. That time, there was no question of giving Realisation. People were trying to defend their faiths and fight each other and kill each other. Imagine! Created by the same Spirit! Fighting among themselves! How silly it must be, and absurd. In many places Nanak Saheb has proved that he was Mohammed. Once, he was lying down and his feet were towards Mecca. So people said, “How can you put your feet towards Mecca?” He had Muslim disciples and also Hindu disciples. He said, “Alright, whichever way you say, I'll put my feet.” He turned round his feet. They said, “Still you are towards Mecca.” He went round and round and round [but] still they saw him facing Mecca! And they could not understand how it was that he was facing, his feet were towards Mecca, that Mecca was at his lotus feet. Same with Mohammed. Now, all these great incarnations had a special power over water. Because you know, in the stomach we have our Void and Nabhi Chakra which is made of ocean. Ocean represents the incarnation of Adi Guru - Dattatreya. These had great powers over oceans and over water. Like Moses - he crossed the ocean by creating a road. That's one of the very significant things which shows that the Void can be crossed with the help of the Guru. And even Mohammed Saheb had a tremendous power over ocean. Then, Nanaka once put his hand on a rock and water started coming out of that. People were amazed how it started. And that's why it is called as ‘Punja-saheb’. ‘Punja’ means ‘the hand’. ‘Punja’ means ‘the five fingers', like this. What do you say to this, this part, [of the] hand? Hand with five fingers? Yogis: This is the palm. Shri Mataji: No, no, not the palm! The whole thing. Like this is a punja. ‘Hand’. Yogis: The hand. The open hand. Shri Mataji: But hand can be like this (a fist) you see? This way. There's no word, alright. So this is ‘punja’ - this is five. And ‘punjab’ is five waters, five rivers - in that area - are called Punjab. Now, another thing about these: all these incarnations had to deal with your attention. So they were particular about looking after your attention. And that is why, from the time Moses or Abraham came in, they talked of no alcoholism. All of them. It is written very clearly in The Bible that the strong alcohols, fermented, should not be taken. If you don't want to read it, one need not. But they think it was Moses who said it and Christ did not say - so Christians can take it, the Moses people should not take it. There is no breaking of link between Moses and Christ. They are of the same tree, of the same pattern, of the same thing. But those who want to use Moses for their own purpose will follow as much as Moses has said, and those who want to follow Christ will follow only as much as Christ has said, because it's very good for them. For such useless people Sahaja Yoga has no place. We have to understand that all these people have said for our good and for the maintenance of our spiritual life and none of them are to be criticised or to be challenged but to be fully respected as our Guru. All of them. Whether one belongs to Islam religion or to the Jew religion or to the Christian religion or to the Hindu religion. And if they are fanatic they are going against their guru - it is against their guru. So, they were against fanaticism. First thing they were against [was] alcoholism. That's the first thing, they thought, because somehow human beings take to alcoholism very fast. At the time of Mohammed Saheb, people did not know how to smoke. Then they developed, became modern. At the time of Nanaka they started smoking so he prohibited that. But Mohammed Sahib said that, “Anything that goes against your awareness, any intoxication of any kind” - he generally, he gave a very general instruction, “is against God.” So, our training, our spiritual education should be that we cannot be fanatics anymore. If you are fanatic anymore, or you are identified with any one of your old ideas, then beware! Be very, very careful! You cannot have fanatic ideas anymore if you want to be a good Sahaja Yogi or a Maha Yogi - meaning a person who is a prophet, not only a prophet, but who is capable of transforming others into prophets. First is, you have to be away from alcoholism. You should be deadly against it. Whenever you have a chance you find it that it is possible for you to say something against alcoholism. It should be absolutely boycotted. Every place, anywhere you meet, it should be smoking or any kind of intoxication, drugging, anything, has to be completely branded as anti-God, anti-Sahaja Yoga. Then, fanaticism of any kind. That lingers on. This is another very deep misidentification. I am aware of it. I did not talk of Catholicism till the other day I went to Portugal, when I had to talk. So I said [for the] first time. I never talked about Protestants before, till I had to talk that they are another mad race going round! There are 27 churches of this kind. None of them, except for we, are really Christians. All are nonsensical fanatics: Seventh Day Adventists and Pentecostals, and this and that. All are absurd ideas! All are playing into the hands of bhoots, take it from me. They have nothing to do with God, they are anti-God. All those who still stick on to all these churches and to this kind of fanaticism - I am saying here of churches because here I have to talk about churches - should know that all these churches have now become the place of bhoots. You'll go to one church and you'll rush to me! From my house I see in the night, hosts of bhoots waiting out of the church. (Laughter) I do not know! (laughing) And somehow it's happening that, whatever house I decide to stay in, there's a big church in front of me. (Laughter) It may be a Catholic church, may be a Protestant church. And they have seen to it that they make it really bhootish by making all those who die stay in that church. They are not Realised people. Realised people only should be buried and all others should be burnt off. It's better. At least the bhoots go out of them. And they are roaming about in the church, and you are taking the children down there into the cemetery! Apart from that wherever there is a anadhikaar cheshta (अनधिकार चेष्टा meaning ‘unauthorised activity’) - when it is unauthorised - Gods do not exist there. They leave the place. So, we have to know that we are no more fanatics. First and foremost thing is that we cannot be fanatics. Now, training ourselves is very important, spiritual education is very important. But in Sahaja Yoga, as your Mother is a very kind teacher, but even such a kind teacher is not such a help sometimes because all corrections are left to yourself, and then you commit really blunders and then you think, “Why didn't Mother tell us? Why didn't She protect us, why didn't She correct?” But this is the style I have adopted because in modern times, Sahaja Yoga is working out because I do not challenge your ego. Otherwise you would have crucified me long time back. So I leave it to you to decide to discipline yourself. It is for you to discipline yourself and understand yourself. Now, the best way to discipline yourself is to find out, “What's wrong with me?” Not with others. We are very good at that. I have seen every day there's some complaint about somebody coming from someone. But there are very few who will say, “This is wrong with me, Mother, what to do?” So just try to find out what is wrong with you. You are like a fort. The fort has some sort of a weakness. So, the man in charge of the fort - what do you call him? We call kiledaar ( किलेदार ) because a fort is kila and the gentleman is the owner of the kila, is called as kiledaar. Now, this kiledaar finds out what are the weak points of the fort and he sees to it that they are all corrected one by one. We are just the other way round. We know we have weaknesses which we hide and keep them there as they are. Whatever strong points we have that we boast of and we try to see the weaknesses of others, and from these loopholes all these negative things creep in and suddenly you find that you are finished. So try to find out what are your weaknesses. One of the weaknesses, which is very common is that we are very materialistic people, we are still very materialistic, extremely materialistic. And the materialism is getting subtler and subtler the subtler we be. Try to give up some things. Keep a kind of a little balanced attitude, a little detached attitude, not too many things. Few things of value. Try to detach yourself. I don't say you become sanyasis. That is also another thing against. But from inside you detach. See, I'm wearing a very nice sari, but from inside see what is the colour. (Laughter) From inside you should be detached, not from outside. So that, try to practice this detachment. Whatever you want to possess, you just don't possess. Teach your body, teach your mind: “No! You want a shirt? No!Nothing doing!” You try. Train up your body. Now some people want comfort, the body wants comfort. Alright, “You want comfort? No, I will sleep on the ground and teach you a lesson!” Teach your body a lesson! Teach your wants and desires a lesson! Let's see what happens. Now, I don't know why, but in England it should not be so. I mean I expected people absolutely detached because they have got everything. But here it is much more attachment than detachment. There is no satisfaction of any kind. So, a kind of a detachment must be developed, to your desires, to your belongings, to your possessions and whatever kind of a material aspect you want to build up. I always said that you must not look like people who are coming from the lunatic asylum, that’s true, but you should also not look like a dandy person, with a flair, a big bow here, and a sort of a thing. You should be in the centre. And how are you in centre? When you are detached. Then nothing can impress you. But that doesn't mean…some people I've seen that outside they make a show, that they are absolutely dishevelled, absolutely in a very filthy condition, smelling like pigs. (Laughter) They think they are going to take an avatara of Varaha (boar incarnation of Shri Vishnu) by smelling like pigs! And all sorts of funny things they do in the name of detachment. No - detachment is within. Try to practice it. That is one of the educations you have to develop. How do you develop that detachment? Is by giving things away. Not to me, but giving things away to others. Say you reach a certain state of - say you have two suits. If you have a third one then give it away. Give away things. It’s a very good way of developing detachment, and enjoying the giving away than possessing. It’s greater, is much greater, take it from me, is much greater than possessing. Now for you, at this stage, I cannot say, but maybe after some time, it will become that I prophesise that you will become sinless, absolutely sinless. You cannot do sin and whatever you do will not be sin. I am sinless. Even if I rob you of all your wealth nobody can say I have committed sin. I am absolutely sinless. Even if I kill thousands and thousands of people nobody would say that I have killed because I am sinless. But, despite all that state, I do not commit any so-called sin because I have to lay down my life in such a way that you people follow. That you should not tomorrow say that, “Mother did this, She has done this so why not we?” That's why I'm so very particular. At the same point I would like to tell you that today Chaya, in her sweetness, went and bought a very expensive sari. And she brought with such love and affection to me, that I had told her just buy me a £10 worth of a shawl and she couldn't bear the idea. But she should know [that] for me anything is valuable that you give to me. Nothing expensive is needed. Even if you give me the most expensive I have every right on that. But you must understand that if this practice is continued too much it will create a bad public opinion. So, at the most, definitely decide that you'll give me only two saris, that’s all. I don't need even these two. And I can have all of them. So, the situation is such that we have to be very careful about the public opinion, and people may start saying tomorrow, “Oh! Mother, She wears all expensive saris.” Let my husband buy for me, he has lots of money! And you can buy me very ordinary things. And I told once Modi that, “You buy me khadi (homespun) saris, that’s the best,” but he couldn't bear it. It was too much for him. He says that, “Mother, we are middle class people and we are giving you something middle class.” I said, “Alright." So, once for all I told them, “Alright, you buy some saris.” And then I bought for them, one of them is this one, and I don't know if the whole money is paid - most of the money I have paid. But still, you know, there was somebody who came out with an objection! I know you love me very much and you want to do something for me like that, but I would request that try to get things which are sober and simple for me. By God's Grace, you should know your Mother is looked after, you don't have to worry. Supposing I was a beggar then you would have had to spend much more money but that is not so. And it is not that it is in any way wrong, on the contrary, it's a very great thing. After all these are going to be in your Mother's personal archives and people are going to see what saris you people gave me, and they're going to be very happy - of course, no doubt - and that's going to be very, very great for you. But, still, where the public is concerned you be careful and understand that when you do anything like that for me, this public is mad and we have to keep a proper balance. Now, about training yourself, as I said, detachment, then another thing is astuteness - astuteness. Try to develop astute habits - astute - specially for religious work. First of all understand that you have to give some money for Sahaja Yoga work. In that you should be astute. I was amazed to hear from some people that for food also you want to have free - that sometimes you had food you didn't pay even one pound. I mean this is absurd. If you were beggars is alright, but for Sahaja Yoga, first of all, it's not too much. But little you have to pay. And you should not make your Mother pay for you. It's wrong. I never said this before, but today I'm telling you. Not aesthetically, but spiritually it is wrong that I should pay for you. It's alright - I may give you a dinner, it's different, I may give you anything, it's different, but that you should not try to take advantage in any way or exploit in any way this Mother of yours, who has got lots of things other than what you know of, which can work out against your spiritual growth. So just don't do anything like that. No exploitation. Learn that. Those who have done such a thing must decide that no more like that. Now, I'll tell you a difference between Indians and you people is this: that an Indian would never do that. We had one Indian coming here and he was not such a big Sahaja Yogi, but he used to come for his puja, and he would not take money for his puja and these people had to fight with him. Ask him, he's sitting down, he would not take. But how materialistic we are! And then, when people mesmerise you then you buy a Rolls Royce for that person, and here a Mother is giving you all the freedom, so you are exploiting your Mother! “I have no job,” all this is wrong. You must pay for your food, and must pay where you have to pay. That's your dharma, that's your religion, of every Sahaja Yogi. Alright, you need not pay too much, but you must pay where it has to be paid. And never take a parasitic attitude. That will kill your growth, will dwarf you. I am warning you about it. Astuteness. For payment, for accounting, for everything, one has to be extremely astute. Like, I'll tell you, I have seen people used to come to my house, long time back - I shouldn't say this but [it] used to be so funny - they would go in the kitchen, take out anything, eat anything, walk off anywhere. It was amazing! Our cooks could not understand. Nobody could understand such people. Just coming in the house, walking into the kitchen, taking off whatever they like, eat anything. Like bounders! This training has to come within you where you must realise and understand that astuteness towards Sahaja Yoga has to be maintained. Like going into the ashram, walking into somebody's kitchen, taking out things. Using the ashram in a state as if it does not matter. It's ashram! It’s a pure thing. You cannot fight in an ashram. You cannot talk loudly in an ashram. You have to lead a pure life in an ashram. You cannot play games with each other. You cannot make it dirty. You cannot spoil it, otherwise your spiritual growth won't come up. This is the simplest thing one should know, is to respect Sahaja Yoga. Love without respect has no meaning. You have to respect, and respect the place, respect everything. Keep it clean, be astute about it. And this is one of the greatest trainings. I don't know how, but to a British mind it should not be told, because they are known for this kind of a training! But I don't know, because now you are saints, I think, I feel that you have had other kind of training before, that you are born as saints. Perhaps you have no self-esteem yet, of the value that should be given to your own character. Without that, nobody is going to be impressed by you. Nobody is going to be impressed by you. Nobody is going to become a prophet. You have to first of all impress. You have to dress up in such a way that you impress others. It's a very important thing in Sahaja Yoga. You have to talk in such a way that you impress others. Supposing somebody's very fat, he must reduce, somebody's very thin, he must put on. He must try to have a body of the centre. Should not allow the body to move this way or that way. One has to be in a proper shape, in proper dress, because you have to impress on others. You must know that if the personality is not impressive how are you going to communicate? Because first of all the people see you, those of you who come to you, see your outside. They don't see your vibrations they see your outside. So, all of you must learn how to dress up and how to behave towards others, how to appear before others, how to talk to others, so that you become prophets who will do wonders and who will transform many, many, many more people into the same state as you are. Now, this training you have to take yourself. The another point in training in Sahaja Yoga is that you have to read. There are many people who have not read even Gregoire's book, leave alone any other. You have to learn certain things like chakras and centres and mantras and you have to dedicate. Even people like Vivekanada's who never got Realisation - do you know, these people, twelve people - they used to study for fourteen hours. Now you will know what to study, what not to study, and even if you study wrong things, you will know where it is wrong. So you have to study. For example, there are Jews with us - let them study Torah and see there where is it, Sahaja Yoga, in there written down. Find it out! If you are Christians read the Bible, find out. You should read Gita, you should read Upanishadas, and you should be masters. You'll find that Sahaj Yoga is such a light that you will know what it is. We have got the Devi's names and the Sahastranamas: try to read them and try to understand the meaning of that and try to understand what it means, how far it goes. That's how the depth of your knowledge will increase and your Sahaja Yoga will tell you what is right and what is wrong. Now emotionally, some of you have terribly emotional weaknesses: the idea of ‘love’. [About] that I must speak to you because it has come from a group of people who went into another style against the ego-oriented people. And they believe that love means hugging each other, kissing each other. This type [of] nonsense is not love. Love is this, that flows, that is love. And understand the person through this alone. And all nonsensical loves that people talk of is not love. When a person loves you he doesn't stare into you. If somebody stares into you then know he does not love you - he’s full of a bhoot. Only when a realised soul is angry he stares to drive out the badhas. So, anybody who stares into your eyes and says, “I have love,” then know that it is mesmerism. With discretion you will know this: that anybody who loves, only a glance is sufficient. But when it is an anti-Christ activity going on then you can stare at that person and the thing increases. So the idea of love is so absurd. Love is the one that corrects, that improves, that elevates, which is blissful. The relationship is blissful, not hallucinations. And this blissfulness is only felt through vibrations not through by hugging or by kissing or anything, just through vibrations. Of course, I don't say you should not hug each other and you should not kiss each other - you should, but that's not the way it is expressed, it's through the vibrations. It's the pure love of your being which emits just like light. Everything should be done in the proper education of the spiritual love. We are people of dignity and sobriety. I have told you this before. Like, some people have a habit of doing this in the --- no! If you are sitting in a posture try to sit for at least an hour - try. I have sat on one posture for nine hours, people have seen: didn't go to bathroom or eat anything and just sitting there nine hours. This is known as baithak is ‘the seat’. And this baithak has to be great in Sahaja Yoga. Try to establish your baithak, that is very important, so that your attention is brought in line with your Mooladhara and is straight there. Once you do that, practice it, you will find your spiritual growth would be better. Walk erect, be straight. In your talks be straight, kind and gentle. Need not shout. No Sahaja Yogi should shout at anybody else, should play games with another, should not in any way be angry with each other - is prohibited. Should not get into any tantrums of pulling your hair or doing something like that - is all nonsensical. You have to be very, very dignified. But another foxy method which we employ very much is to tease and provoke another Sahaja Yogi, which is even worse, because it hits you at a subtler point. Try to be straight, straightforward. Allow your mind to come to normal when you talk. If you have to say something, wait and try to say something nice, not artificial. Try to say something from your heart, not to show off. In talking also too much quietness is not good, too much talking is not good. Some suffer from too much talking and some do not talk at all. It's better to talk whenever it is necessary. Talk something sweet, no sharpness and sarcasm. That will spoil your Vishuddhi. Sarcasm is not allowed in Sahaja Yoga. You are not to be sarcastic to each other. Because of a new generation and a new race that you are, you have to learn that to keep your vibrations alright you have to have collectivity within you. Because you are collectively so much charged that's why the Kundalini's rising. If your collectivity breaks then it's a very, very, very, very wrong thing. So, try to be nice to each other, kind to each other, try to understand each other's problem. And never, never complain to me about any other Sahaja Yogi - till I ask. It's prohibited! If you have to say, tell me about yourself. Unless and until of course something happens, then it's alright, but not against anyone. Because you will only see the bad points of the another person and you will not imbibe the good points. You have to meditate and think about what you have to do to become the real prophets of modern times of Mahayoga. How you have to dress up, how you have to behave, how you have to talk, and how you have to be kindly, that you have to decide. On this day, I would say that I have talked a lot and only thing that you have to do is to imbibe it in you and not on others, that's all. To others you have to be kind, you have to be sweet, you have to be patient, gentle. Now, today's puja has to be very simple because it is the puja of Guru, who is an avadhuta. Avadhuta, as I told you, always teaches you that the whole thing is futile, all this pattern is futile. He even doesn't talk of any Deities, because he says, “Alright, let's worship the Abstract. Why talk of the Deity?” Though they will talk of the Mother, alright. All of them talk of the Mother. But not of a Deity, because they think if you talk of the Deity, people will talk more about the Deity and not about the essence. But talk is a talk. Only at this stage you are prophets who are talking about the Deities, and who are giving Realisation, and who know the Abstract is flowing through them. You are empowered to do that. You know all about Deities, and you know all about their mantras and you know how to awaken them and you know about yourself. You are all very great. This may be the last puja now in London. As a great thing we are worshipping today Guru Nanaka, that's me [so] that - may you become great Guru Nanakas. All of them were created by Adi Shakti. All these Gurus were created by her. And today I say that you all become as great as Guru Nanak, as great as Moses, as great as Sai Nath, as great as Nanaka, Janaka, Mohammed. All [of you] have to become as great as all these great incarnations. Just desire! Have earnestness in you and alertness to achieve it. [Only] earnestness is not sufficient, you have to be alert. I have already told you how to practice this alertness. Try to do it. I have told Hari certain things, you can ask him, and I have told other people also, how to become alert, and how to change your little habits here and there. Anything overdoing should be stopped: taking of too much tea, taking of too much milk, eating too much, too much reading. Anything like that, just try to moderate. Moderation has to be brought in, and you will be surprised [that] you can master your tongue, you can master it. May God bless you all, this day, in the name of Nanaka I bless you all with that great Spirit of Master, which you all should become - the great prophets who are going to change all the men of God into prophets. May God bless you! Today the puja has to be in a different way if you don't mind. Gavin, first of all you do me any favour. I have to tell you that today I want to give some presents to you all and accordingly I have brought some presents for you all. Because these are material things, but all are used by me, all are vibrated, and very spontaneously we are going to choose them all. It was within two hours time we have done some choosing. But in this one has to understand that it's all done just to express the Dhanesh Shakti of the Mother, just that She loves to give. She loves to give. Just out of joy that I had in Hampstead, I felt I should now give you something. It's beautiful there and that's how we have today tried to make some arrangement for that kind of a thing. So just before the puja I wanted to announce this and then we can have the puja - very simple one, because today is a day of simplicity - complete surrendering. Just imagine that these two colours are in the Void, green and yellow, and if you mix them what is the colour you get? Green and yellow? You get the blue. So the green is the Nature. So an avadhuta has to become one with the Nature. This is the sign of the Surya nadi, the Sun. That means an avadhuta has to be brilliant like the Sun, brilliant like the Sun, and that detached as the Sun is. All the detachment must come into him. He need not have liver on Sun line. He will not have liver if he knows what to eat and what not to eat. Normally all these gurus ate fruits, and they ate meat, never fats and that's how they kept their liver alright. This is, these are the two combinations which are there in the Void. And the combination of these two, when they combine, it makes a blue. What is the blue? Is the water. So, in the water. Now see the Gurus are surrounding the Lakshmi on the Nabhi. On the Nabhi is the Lakshmi is in the centre and they are surrounding her. They are her beauty. Without vairAgnya, without ascetic temperament, the Lakshmi has no meaning. It has no meaning. It is expressed in giving, is giving. That is what it means, that without vairAgnya the Lakshmi has no meaning. Without the feeling of giving Lakshmi has no meaning. Why should Lakshmi come to anyone if they do not want to give? And that is what one has to understand, is the significance of giving. Now, today's speciality is this, that: though I am the Lakshmi - alright, I am the Mahalakshmi in everything - but I am also Vairagyi, I am the detached. The One who is Nirmama, is beyond. Nobody can tie me, nobody can. Nothing can bound me. I just talk but it has no meaning, I am beyond. In the same way, all of you should try to be beyond. So, from the Lakshmi angle I want to give you something, because Lakshmi looks after the saints, and the saints have to be detached. That is the way it is going to work out. I hope you won't go back and wear kashayas, the orange robes (laughter). Discretion, discretion, has to mature. It’s the maturity of discretion now. So, now, for puja today, Chaya, let's have a very simple puja, whichever way you like. Now, have you got Guru's names? Just see it, their name. That I know, Graham. Guillemette: Guillemette. Shri Mataji: Loudly. Guillemette: Guillemette. Gavin Brown: Guillemette. Shri Mataji: How do you spell? Gavin Brown: G-u-i-l-l-e-m-e-t-t-e. Shri Mataji: What's your name, please? Loudly. Brian: Brian Shri Mataji: Brian? Rachel: Rachel Shri Mataji: Rachel? Christopher: Christopher Shri Mataji: Christopher? Christopher: Nicolas Shri Mataji: Nicolas. Shri Mataji: What’s your name please? Richard: Richard Mother. Bernard: Bernard Shri Mataji: Bernard. What’s your? Ian: Ian Shri Mataji: Now who else is here? Eileen? I now here. You haven't washed my hands? No, Isodor has. Alan you have? Never? Imagine! (laughter) Alright. So let's have the start. Gavin Brown: Gurur Brahma, Gurur Vishnu, Gurur Devo Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat Parabrahma, Shri Mataji Nirmala Ma, Tasmai Guruve namaha. Shri Mataji: You all know the meaning of this? Gurur Brahma, Gurur Vishnu, Gurur Devo Maheshwara. The Guru is the creator, Guru is the protector, and Guru is the existence and the destroyer. Guru is the embodiment of the Parabrahma, it's the beyond state. And to such a Guru we bow. Just a little you can take it on your fingers you can dip it, you see, and put it on your forehead, maybe. It's a water which is now [vibrated]. Haa! You will feel better. On the Sahasrara you can put it. Just sprinkle it all over you can. Let him do. Sprinkle it all over. Who are these? Maria is here. Yes. Jaldi karo! (hindi: do it quickly) Five people together should come forward - alright? Come along! Five of you. Yes. Come along! Get your finger into there and to my hand. Turn it like that, clockwise, with both the hands. Alright. Now you rub your own hand. Now come along, you do it. Come along. Rub it. It’s good.

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Are You Seekers?

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Are You Seekers? Caxton Hall, London (UK), 24 November 1980. …that has to be first realised - what is your category. And if you are that category, of the category which is seeking beyond what you have and that you are not satisfied with what you have already, then you are the category of seekers who have been seeking something that is very subtle, that is not gross, not intelligible through your sensory organs. How it happens within us - it is very interesting to see. Within us, as I have told you, there are these subtle centres which have developed through the process of our evolution. Through the process of our evolution we have become human beings. While we were becoming human beings, all these centres have been also evolving within us. These centres are placed in the spinal cord, in the centre of the spinal cord, and they manifest outside grossly on [the] physical level, as plexuses. As they are evolving inside, also the outside, the gross plexuses are also evolving. For example, animals do not insure their lives, do they? They have fear. They know how to react to a fear but they do not know how to insure. After some time the animals forget their children. Animals can pass through any filth, any dirt, any untidiness. They don’t understand tidiness, neatness. Animals do not organise. Animals don’t plan. They do sometimes when they have to catch hold of a prey, but that too, not too far. Like we have five-year plans, ten-year plans, twenty-year plans as the human being have. They do not put any energy into that. The reason for all this is that man has evolved much more than all the animals put together. He is an evolved soul. Now these evolved souls have also got a category of greater evolved people who are not satisfied with the general norms of life. For example, there are people who are interested say, in having power. And they want to have power. Till they die they want to have power. Till they die they won’t give a resignation. I mean, sometimes they put one foot in the grave and still the resignation in the another hand, in case they do not die and they have to pull out the leg, so it’s better to keep it handy! There are people who stick on to other games of life, like money. They are money-oriented people. They find their securities in money. They run after money. They plan out everything according to money. All their lives they are doing that. There are [a] third type of people who indulge into so-called love affairs and things like that; into emotional movements of their mind. But there are some others who think that these things are not so interesting for them. So the fourth category takes to religion - to know about beyond. They read about the prophets, the great scriptures, all the great religions of the world. But as the pioneer of the religion dies, the followers, somehow or other, built in fanaticism around them and fanaticism is the death of religion, is absolutely the death of religion. I have seen people who get cancer are sometimes fanatics. If you could cure their fanaticism, you can cure their cancer because all such false identification requires extra energy in a man. He has to stick on to some sort of obstinacy! Now supposing I am holding on to it (the microphone) and I do not want to leave my hand from here - for nothing at all! I say, “No, I am not going to leave.” “No! This is the thing I believe into. I am going to stick on to it!” Then I require a lot of energy to hold on to it. But if I could be free and see, it is better. Like I remember a gentleman fell down from the sixteenth story and he was asking for help and help. And he saw people passing from the back. He was holding onto one of the rails, and he could not understand how the people are passing around. He said, “Help for what?” He said, “I’m falling.” They said, “Where? Here is the road!” He had, just near the road, had caught hold of the rod! And he was asking for help, and he was just shouting. When they said, “This is the road. You better put your foot down.” he fainted! Because he had put all his energy into a nonsensical thing, believing into a myth. And myth always takes away your energy, while the Truth enriches your energy. Because you don’t have to hold on to the Truth, the Truth carries you along. Any kind of fanaticism is not your way, as I told you yesterday. And if anybody is a fanatic, then he is not seeker. Because he’s found whatever it is. He has to deal with his fanaticism and his faiths. So the another category of people are there which are anti everything: everything that is established. Anything. Christ - they are against Christ. Anything. They are reactionaries. They are against Nanak Saheb, they are against Mohammed Saheb. They are against everything that has been established because whatever is established is not true. Those who have established have taken a mythical attitude. When they take up a mythical attitude and they try to stick onto it, those who think about it are shocked and they think, “These are drunk people. These are possessed people!” So they say, “Alright, that we are not!” So we become atheist. We don’t believe in God. We don’t believe in any spiritual power. We do not believe in any divine power. We do not believe in anything that is said before. According to them, all prophets were wrong. All religions are wrong. There is no God - [they think they are] the wisest people every born! So there is another category of extra-wise. You can call them intellectuals. These days I don’t know what you call them. This is another category. Now there is another very subtle category, which tries to exploit all these things that are existing. Some of them do it because they do believe that they have found out something new, like psychologist, like Freud. They are ignorant, absolutely half-baked people. They do not know the whole thing. They just know a part of it and to them that’s the truth. Like you find a needle somewhere and say the needle is the whole world. They know very little and they don’t know what to do with the needle, and so they come out with the needle, saying, “Needle is the world!” And such people are very anxious to write books and convey their messages to the world and communicate to the whole world what they have found out, while whatever they have found out is nothing but just a few drops of truth. And they are trying their level best to spoil [it]. Now there is a category of another people which are sinister. In that you know so many types which I do not want to discuss here. From Hitler you can start, all kinds of brutal people and all that. They go parallel with all these categories. But I would say the worst of all are those who try to make money in the name of God, and worse than that, the worst of all, are the people who try to play games with God. Those who take money are openly bad but those who try to play with your Kundalini, with your Realisation, are really to be called as demonic categories. And all such people should know, as Blake has said, that they will go to the hell from where they can never rise. Now whether you believe it or not, there is God. Sahaja Yoga is a thing today which has reached that stage where the category of people who are men of God, they do not proclaim on the streets that, “I am a man of God.” No. They do not stand up with banners in their hands that, “I am the man of God.” They are very normal people. They are householders. They have children. They have grandchildren. They are very simple people. They lead a very ordinary life. They are not very successful people. But they are people, men of God. And these human beings of God are the ones I am talking about, is the category you people are. If you are not that category, Sahaja Yoga is not going to work on you to begin with. Later on, when we have a particular number of people, the evolution will take such a dynamic form, that thousands of people will receive their Self-realisation. Now the Self-realisation is the thing in which an ordinary man who looks an ordinary common person but who is actually a seeker, a true seeker, not a false seeker but a true seeker, receives the grace of the Divine and becomes a prophet. He becomes a prophet. This is what Sahaja Yoga is, that it makes you a prophet and a prophet of a very unique style, because the job of today’s modern prophets is very different from the prophets which came before, as I told you yesterday. The prophets who came before, as we celebrated yesterday, Guru Nanaka’s birthday and Mohammed Saheb and all others, like Moses, Abraham and all these, was to maintain your sustenance through giving you Ten Commandments. And these Ten Commandments exist in that centre there, where you see the green centre. You can see it very clearly in your stomach. The religion is in your stomach. It’s a thing built within you. It is not that I can give you a lecture about religion. But it is built within you. It is inside you. And this religion is to be maintained, was to be maintained that time; very important was that people should know what helps them to be a human being. And that was the job of all these prophets and they did it very well. But their disciples and maybe their followers made them into fanatic religions. You can’t help it. I mean, I have always said that they were like living flowers on this Earth, who came one after another on the Tree of Life. And people just plucked those flowers and said, “This is mine. This is mine.” The flowers became dead, ugly and useless. That is how fanaticism has prospered. And all the fanaticism in these modern times is [now] challenged. Everywhere people can see it that it is not logical to be fanatic. But as a result of ego activity in thinking they go to another extreme by which they condemn even the real flowers, even the originators, the ones who came on this Earth. This is going too far from the right point. From one extreme to another extreme they are moving. Now the specialty of the modern prophets is that you can make other people prophets. That means you can give them Realisation yourself. This is the difference between the Sahaja Yoga that worked out at the time of other people. That’s why there was hardly one or two Realised-souls. At the time of Janaka - say about eight thousand years back when Shri Rama was ruling, his father-in-law, who was a great prophet - he had one disciple whom he gave Realisation. And with very great tests and all that he took under his own guidance. He gave him Realisation. But today the time has changed because the Life’s Tree has increased, has reach to that state of maturity, where thousands of you have to be transformed. It has to be done. It’s the God’s plan. And those who fit into it are the people who are of the category who are seeking. Now, such category can be understood by many ways and there are some tests to understand what these people are. It may be that such people could be extremely nervous people, could be, because they cannot bear the unrighteous, sinful, deceitful world. The whole atmosphere may be jarring them. That’s why they are very shaky. Could be they might be very nervous because of that. They could be a people who might be a recluses. They might be people who might be hot-tempered. They might be people who are escapists. They could be the people who could be druggist. Could be alcoholic. They could be anything, because they are running away from the so-called horrible ‘reality’. Sahaja Yoga is a thing which establishes your reality within yourself, by which you feel secure, because your reality is beauty, it is joy. And then you don’t want to run away from that. This is what we have to understand, that we are here to receive our reality, to know ourselves. By knowing ourselves, how many things can happen to us, you have no idea. The whole property that you are, the whole wealth that you are, the whole beauty that you are, becomes your own. You become the master of your own being. This is the first thing that should happen: means your ill health must get alright. You know that there are people here who had very serious diseases, who got completely cured. You know there are people who have mental problems, who had epilepsies and things - they are cured. And how it happens? Just by knowing yourself, how powerful you are. Just think of that! Think of your own powers that, just by knowing yourself, how you have become so powerful. But this knowledge is not through your rationality, that, “I am such. I am Napoleon. I am this.” This kind of a knowledge is really stupid, it’s egoistical. But this knowledge is a dynamism in your own awareness. It’s a new perception within you by which you become something. You become a different person. You become a higher, evolved soul. And then you realise that you have suddenly become a being who is collectively conscious. Some progress very fast but some do not. Some progress tremendously fast. I know of a gentlemen who was supposed to be a drunkard and used to waste all his money in races and he did all kinds of things. He used to smoke like a chimney. And when he got his Realisation, the whole room was filled with fragrance. And everybody said, “This man? How can we believe, Mother? He is this and this and this.” I said, “But this is what it is! This was all the clouds upon him. And all the clouds have gone away and you see the sun coming in him. He’s a different man.” I don’t believe in the clouds, I believe in the sun. If I see the sun, the sun is there. I don’t see the clouds at all. I see the sun. Perhaps I have more penetrating eyes than you have. And I see the sun in the man. He has risen out of that. And now he is shining like a sun. So accept him and bow to him. He’s the one who was seeking, really, within. He thought that by playing races he’ll find joy. He thought by eating food like that he will have joy, or by smoking like that he will have joy. But he never was satisfied within himself. He never got involved into it to that extent that he lost his own being and his seeking and that’s how he is the one who is a true seeker. Sometimes it is some shocking to see in Sahaja Yoga how people get transformed just like that. Just the change starts coming, as if some magic has happened in the person’s life and he changes. But actually it is very simple to understand. When it rains and the whole place is so foggy, you don’t feel like going out anywhere: it’s so grey, you feel so horrible. But when the sun comes out, everyone, children, old people, young people, the housewives, all of them come out to greet the sun. When your sun comes out and you see your brilliance yourself and then, “Oh, it’s me! Is it me? Oh, God!” And that starts transforming. And you are amazed to see yourself the way you are transformed. That has to happen for you. But for this, already God has planned within you all these things very beautifully. As beautifully as He has made your exterior, He has made your interior equally beautifully, very delicately and with very great, very great care. Within you lies the Kundalini, in the triangular bone, the sacred bone called as sacrum, which gives you Realisation. This is one about which Christ has said, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” What is that? Every person has talked about him, but the trouble is, how will you explain tongues of flames? Kabira has talked so clearly. He has said, “Ida, Pingala, Sushumna.” Everything he has talked about, he talked about Kundalini! Shankaracharya has talked about. I would say Blake, William Blake. You read him. You will be amazed! He’s talking of today in his book, “Milton”. He is talking of Jerusalem of today. This place, this England, is going to be the Jerusalem, is the pilgrimage, where the people of God are going to be the prophets. He has talked of today! Can you imagine? He was not very old; he was not very ancient, very modern. He has prophesised about these days and it is happening. You don’t have to worry about these things. It is God’s plan that He has done it so well, and individually all of you have got this Kundalini in your triangular bone, called ‘sacrum’. See, the word ‘sacrum’ means ‘sacred’. How did they know, the word ‘sacrum’ to be put for this, is a sacred bone? This was discovered in ancient times, long, long time back. Even they say that Indra was given Realisation by Dattatreya. To that extent! I mean, how many years back it was done! But it was a guarded secret. It was done for very few people. Only it was Shankaracharya who started first. Adi Shankaracharya I would say, not these [modern ones]. But the Adi Shankaracharya started talking about it so clearly. Everywhere you find, even in Koran or in the Bible, everywhere it is said, any scripture which has lasted the time, it’s said that, “You are to be born again.” Now people have taken a note from that and they certify, “I am a twice-born.” Now what is the proof that you are twice-born? Everybody says, “I am a twice-born.” It is absurd. What do you mean by twice-born? As I have told you before that a bird is called as twice-born in Sanskrit language, and a Realised-soul is also called a twice-born. As the bird is an egg and, when the egg breaks, we do not see the egg but we see the chick coming out of it. In the same way it has to happen to you that, when your egg, which is made by the formation of ego and superego, the yellow and the blue on your head, has to break and then you become a new personality, a personality which is very different from what it was before. Egg doesn’t grow, does it? But the chick grows. Now the growth starts in the spiritual arena, in the spiritual understanding, into spiritual education. Now it starts! Not before that. You start feeling the Divine Power around and you understand that you are a universal being. All these nonsensical ideas, of race, of different religions, of different communities, are products of human endeavour, or we should say the human thinking; which is so stupid sometimes that it is impossible for a person like me to understand why we have to carry a passport from places to places. The God Almighty also must be failing to understand how this has been worked out by the great wise human beings. That He made only one world. He didn’t make many worlds. He just put some rivers and some nice mountains and some hills and dales, to make it a beautiful, interesting place for you. And you have divided into nations and into cities and villages and then into smaller places and then into a road and then into your houses and then into your kitchen. That’s what we have become! But the category of the people about whom I am saying, they can’t remain in their kitchens, they can’t remain in their houses, they cannot remain in their nations. They transcend the whole Universe. They cover the whole Universe. Because they become universal beings. They cannot think in this terminology. It hurts them. It hurts them. You see, it would be like a great person being put in a sack. You just force him to get into a sack or into a cup - how he’ll be hurt? Either the cup will break or the fellow will throw it away. It’s the ocean you are trying to put it into a cup, which you cannot do it. And such a stupidity has been done so far. But the time has come for all the oceans to be awakened to their greatness. And once they are awakened they will throw away all these minor boundaries and all these nonsensical barriers that has created such a mountain from one seed to another seed where two beautiful human beings are sitting and are fragrant with the fragrance of universal joy. After Realisation only you can also enjoy another personality. Normally you cannot. What you enjoy is his car, or his house or his dress or his looks or his behaviour towards you. At the most his intellect, his success, his horses. I don’t know what else. But after Realisation you just enjoy his vibrations! You just enjoy him in his innate thing. You do not see his age, you do not see his caste, you do not see his race but you see all this chaitanya, these vibrations, coming from the person and you just enjoy for hours together just feeling that. It’s so enjoyable. One person like that walks in, and all of you, “Ah!” This should happen to everyone. It has to happen. The time has come for this happening. That’s why we have so many seekers. They have been ill-treated, they have been deceived, they have been used, people have made money out of them. I accept [that]. But then I have to accept also that in seeking you had to be tested also, to see where do you stick on. If you want to go to the Truth, you will discard everything [else]. And once you come before the Truth you will have it. And that’s why this testing has to be done, because there is ego, human beings have their egos; they think, “Oh I will do this. I can do it. I can sort it out.” Alright. God says, “Alright, have it. Have it your way.” Then they will go and break their heads, break their legs, break their hands and then come saying that, “Mother, see, I have broken everything. Now what will you do?” So alright! The Sahaja Yoga has to work it out. But why do all that? Come straight to the Truth. Now, one has to understand that before Realisation you don’t have to do anything, but after Realisation those who do not understand their own esteem, they do not value their potentialities or their powers, can lose their vibrations in the early months. It has happened with many people: they have lost their vibrations completely because they have not paid any attention to themselves. They have not tried to improve themselves. They have not tried to keep up the vibrations. It’s like enlightening any light. We have to look after it for a while till it takes its own form. And that is how in Sahaja Yoga so many come and get Realisation, but those who grow are the real Sahaja yogis. The rest of them are wasted, are just wasted. They’ll come back again but they take too much time and the Divine does not have interest in such people, it does not help such people. So I have to request to you, request you that if you are seekers, you have to have your Realisation. Without that you will not be happy. But you must have full idea and responsibility about yourself that you are now an enlightened light. You are a beacon and you cannot afford to hide yourself. You have to give light to others. You have to work it out that way. It’s not now a question of only one Christ bearing the cross or one Mohammed talking about the message or one Nanaka fighting the whole world. It’s all of you put together have to fight it out and work it out. That’s what it is today. That’s why Sahaja Yoga, one can say, has reached the state of Mahayoga. “Sahaja”, Sahaja means born with you. It’s spontaneous. It is within you. The whole thing is within you. Just like a seed sprouts, the Kundalini sprouts spontaneously. You do not have to do anything about it. But when it becomes Mahayoga, means it becomes en masse, thousands of people can be given Realisation. In India we have someone who has given Realisation to ten thousand people in a village! He is just a farmer and he has done it. So you can imagine how much you can do. But in the West, as I have always warned you, it’s a very ego-oriented society, and people are very exclusive. Everybody wants to sort out. Immediately after Realisation everybody becomes an Archbishop of Canterbury! And they think no end of themselves. You have to have spiritual knowledge after this. You have to know everything about it. You have to master it. You have to master your body, you have to master your mind and you have to master the whole art of Kundalini. Then only you can say that it works. Otherwise, it’s just a waste. You are the people who are in the foundation, and you have to be the strongest people. You have to be the masters of Kundalini, absolutely the masters of Kundalini. It’s not individual. This is Mahayoga. Anybody who tries to be individualistic will be lost, will be no more in the circulation. This I have told you hundred, and hundred and one times. And the Spirit can only grow in collectivity because the nature of Spirit is universal. You cannot achieve anything exclusively. Those who try it will fail. You all have to join together and should know that you all awakened people. In the Primordial Being you are like the awakened cells who know the Primordial Being and who have the powers by which they can communicate the powers of God to other people. You all have to be absolutely one with each other, not to find faults but to love and enjoy each other. That’s the best way you can move. As you know that this subject is so varied, and it requires so much of explanation, for which now we have lots of tapes, and if you people want you can get tapes from Douglas (Fry), who has really put in lot of effort for it. You can play them and can understand and can improve all your knowledge about Sahaja Yoga. And now I’ll be going to India and perhaps there may be only one lecture more where it will be just a farewell function we’ll have. I would like some of the Sahaja Yogis to ask some questions today, because it’s a nice opportunity for you to ask some questions. But not the people who haven’t got Realisation, because those who haven’t got Realisation are not entitled because they do not know. They have no news about it. They don’t understand. They should not ask any questions. Those who are Sahaja Yogis should ask. I mean, it would be something like those who have never visited India, are asking questions about India. Better go to India, find out about [it] yourself, see it in deeply, how it is, what it is, and then you can ask questions. Not just visit Delhi talk to some Westernised Indians and come back and tell me stories about them! In the same way, those who have not been to England, meet some of the politicians or something like that, go back and tell something about England which I will not believe and you should not believe. You have to understand the country on a philosophical level, on philosophy - where are they. And unless and until you understand that subtle thing, you cannot say anything about it. For example, for England, I have always said that the young generation of England are the best in the whole world. Take it from me, whether they are English, or whatever it is, whatever nationality, but the young generation that are English are the best. No doubt about it. Because they have developed, no doubt, but they have kept their wisdom intact. India, the young people are developing and they have to go through all your discotheques and all those rumble-tumbles, till they come to the stage where they’ll take alcohols and then they will take to your drugs and then they might take to [seeking]. Americans are too shifty. They have not kept their wisdom intact. (laughter) But thanks to the tradition of British, that you have kept your traditions still intact and you know about your country because it’s a small country. So I depend very much on the English youth. But if you ask anyone else, they will say, “Oh, these English youth [are] extremely rude, arrogant. Good for nothing! Drugged, lethargic. Useless!” But I have seen now young people and young people all over the world and this is what I have to say about them. Now I would like you to ask me questions. First the Sahaja yogis, then we can ask the non-Sahaja yogis. Difficult. You have become thoughtless, actually, you cannot ask! This is the trick of Sahaja Yoga! When it crosses this point, you cannot think. Even if you want to think, you cannot. No questions? Now non-sahaja yogis, please. Seeker: How about times when you should do the meditation? What sort of times? Shri Mataji: Oh, there’s nothing. No rules. You go beyond time. Every time you are in meditation only. You see, what is meditation? You cannot do meditation, you have to be in meditation. You become meditative. You are all the time in meditation. I mean, there is no time when you are not, because you become a different person. Those people who do meditation, I don’t know how they do it. Really, I can’t understand. Because which is the way you enter into the realm of meditation? Unless and until the Kundalini takes your attention to that state,you cannot meditate. So how can you do? You cannot lift the Kundalini with your hand and put Her there. No lift can work it out. It’s only through spontaneous awakening that the Kundalini rises. So you cannot do meditation. And once you are there, you are there. So there is no timing. Nothing fixed. But it depends on the kind of a person they are. For example, say somebody who gets up [at] eleven o’clock in the morning, doesn’t brush his teeth, rushes to the office, comes back home, sleeps at two o’clock in the night, can’t sleep before two o’clock, then such a person has to develop certain habits. Because we have to neutralise the habits that we have had. So maybe that time we will have to just turn the tables, and we can manage. We can change all our habits. And we can have such habits by which we neutralise our old habits. It depends on what sort of a person it is. For example, we Indians have a bad habit of getting up very early in the morning and having a bath in the morning. Whether it is England, America or even if we are with Eskimos, we’ll do that! That’s typical. Otherwise, we don’t feel happy. Just before going to the office, we’ll take our baths and walk out in the cold. I mean, it is the greatest punishment for an Indian to say, “You don’t take your bath.” I mean, after coming to England some of them have reconciled. And to take bath in the night and sleep, they can’t believe it, they just don’t know what it is. So they get lung troubles. Some of them have got lung cancer. One of the common diseases I’ve seen amongst Indians is what you call the, we call it the heart chakras, the, the cardiac plexus catching; common. The reason is this, that, they have no consideration about the temperature outside. Now if you tell them, they can’t believe me. They think a religious person must take his bath every day. That’s the idea they have. Not in England. I mean, you can take your bath every day, but not the bath and just walk out [of the house]. Then I have to tell, “Can you have you bath, say, thrice a week or four times a week, if possible?” But to an Englishmen, you better get up at four o’clock and have your bath! It depends on who you are. So there is nothing like having a fixed thing in Sahaja Yoga. It depends on what sort of a person you have, what habits are there, what are your loopholes, what are your weaknesses. So we have to look after that. Like, it’s very common practice, you know. Supposing we have to go to my house from here. Now you don’t know how to go, so you see the map and whichever way you have to go, you just go. It’s a new life. It’s a new map. So you have to see which way you have to go. You change accordingly and you go accordingly. You cannot have fixed idea now, anymore. You have to see. If your car has got a trouble with its brake, better is to repair the brake, isn’t it? Or will you say that, “Doesn’t matter. Even [if] my brake is bad, I’ll go ahead. As long as my tyres are alright, I don’t care for the brake.” Sahaja Yoga is just opposite. If the brake is not alright, don’t worry about the tyres, but think about the brake. It’s very discretionary. You become very discrete about yourself and you start repairing your car; that’s yourself. Because you get out of your car and you see the problems. You are not identified anymore with you. For example, Don would come and tell Me, “Mother, I am catching on my Agnya here.” Now what does that mean? It means actually Ego. But he will have no objection in telling me or he will in no way feel ashamed to tell me that, “My ego is like a balloon here coming up Mother. Better solve the problem.” You see your ego so clearly and you want to get rid of it. Anybody would do that. But if you tell somebody before Realisation, “You have got ego,” you’ve had it. I have never done that and none of you should do. Let them feel the Agnya after Realisation. They come and tell you and you move it. In the same way, any other trouble, even for diseases, if you tell somebody that, “You have such disease,” he may jump down from here with fear. In Sahaja Yoga you come to know about the diseases much, much before any doctors know, because on your fingers you can feel it. But you don’t have to tell the person at all. You just talk in your code language. What is catching? You tell, “This is catching. Ekadasha Rudra is catching.” Alright, what does that mean? That is the beginning of the cancer. There’s already for it. So Ekadasha. Clear out the Ekadasha Rudra, is all here (pointing to forehead). Now nobody knows what Ekadasha Rudra is, except for the Sahaja yogis. And they know there is no danger because it is curable. So they clear it out. That’s the beginning of a personality, where he starts getting into this trouble or that trouble. And say left Agnya is catching, is a sign that he is going lunatic asylum and little combinations. You don’t have to tell the person but you can save him from going to lunatic asylum. He need never go. People have come down to our program to lunatic asylum and when they went back, they were told, “You better not come up here.” It can happen like that. It’s very simple. It is so simple, you can’t imagine. The whole thing is so simple but you have to learn what it is. You can cure people. You can help your atmosphere. You can do lots of things. The greatest of all that you become the collective being. So it changes. There’s no time, nothing. You are a free bird. It’s all freedom. There’s no bondage. You yourself want to sit down meditating. Now I came here, I was supposed to talk and start my speech but I was enjoying my meditation so much so I went into that. All the time you are in meditation mood and you can enjoy it anytime you want to Seeker: Do you hope to come back to England in the near future? Shri Mataji: No, no, I am stationed here. Absolutely, I am glued to this place for five years more! And I am going to come back very soon. I am there only for two months, or one month I will be going to Australia. So [after] three months altogether, I’m back. I’m sure even when I go back after five years, your government won’t object [to] my coming here. I hope so by that time. So, it’s just I had to come here. I have been now here seven years and five years more. Twelve years! Can you imagine? Alright? That should set you alright. That was one of the fears is it? No. Now is it alright for all of you? Anyone else? Sahaja Yogi: You can tell us something about dharma Mother. Shri Mataji: Dharma? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: There’s a, there’s a tape on dharma and on Guru which you can see. Dharma is the sustenance which is established by an aspect of God in our stomach. Our stomach teaches us our dharma. “Dharayati sa dharmaha”, means the one you sustain is your dharma. For example, the dharma of gold is that it is untarnishable. The dharma of carbon is [that] it has got four valencies. If you have seen the periodic laws of chemistry, you will know that all the elements have got their own dharmas. And they are given these dharmas by the law of God. It’s the Divine Law which has given them these dharmas. Up to the stage of human beings the dharma of a person or of any animal, or of any element, is determined absolutely by divine laws and they do not cross it. For example, a lion will behave like a lion. He cannot behave like a cat. A scorpion will behave like itself. It cannot behave like a lion. A tiger will behave like a tiger. Tiger is the king and he won’t eat anything killed by another animal. Only when he is hungry, he kills the animal and he eats whatever he likes in one gulp and then he rests and others come and eat that. He won’t eat anything that is eaten by others and he won’t kill anything that he need not kill. He’s the king. That’s why if one tiger is killed in a forest the whole forest seems so gloomy. Because their king has been killed. Though he’s a terror for them. But he lives with his own dharma, with his own boundaries. He doesn’t cross his boundaries. Any one of these, up to the human level, have their own dharmas. Only the human beings have been given the freedom to cross the dharma, they can. I mean, in a human being, you can find a lion, you can find a serpent and you can find also a worm. You can find the combination of all that in one person or in the whole group you’ll find all kinds. But if they want they can transcend. And the greatest thing is [that] they can transcend the dharma itself. Means they become so great that they can be sinless. Just they can’t do any sins. These dharmas are established within you. These Ten Commandments are there within us. If you try to transgress them you are losing your dharma, your sustenance, beyond which you have to rise. For Realisation, you have to rise beyond dharma, dharmateet – beyond. But first your dharma must be established. If it is not established, you cannot rise. But in Sahaja Yoga, even [if] your dharma is disturbed it’s forgiven. Still you can get your Realisation. Then you establish your dharma. It’s better. Because it has been seen [that] those people who tried to establish their dharmas can become extremely, extremely dry. They can be fanatics. The compassion part of it is lost. So the compassion itself works in such a way that all adharmas you have done, whatever you have done is forgiven. And you better have your Realisation and with that power you establish your dharma. And you have to establish it. For example, you know that alcohol goes against your awareness. Awareness is the main thing, which is enlivened, enriched by dharma. The human awareness goes down through alcohol, you know [this] for definite. All the great saints who have looked after the dharma, the prophets, have said against alcohol and against smoking. Mohammed Saheb did not say about smoking because they did not have smoking. But the same person came as Nanaka. As Guru Nanaka he has prohibited, absolutely prohibited anything that intoxicates you, your awareness. Because they knew that it will harm you very much. It does harm you. You lose the chances of your Realisation very much. It is true that it is injurious. One thing as alcoholism, I am saying. There can be something else people do, like thieving or anything like that, is against your sustenance. But Sahaja Yoga is a method by which you first get your Realisation and then your dharma is to be established so that you are empowered by itself. For example, I never tell people, “Don’t drink,” because half of the people would walk out, even Indians. They just drink like - I don’t know - fishes. I don’t know if fishes drink, but human beings do! And then if I tell them, they will be very angry. We had a doctor here who used to drink who came to me. He got his Realisation and he went to Germany. And he was fond of a kind of a wine, a special wine they make in Germany. He said, “Let me try some of this.” He had given up because you don’t remember that you have to drink. You never get bored enough to drink! You see, you feel, “What’s the use of getting up and getting a glass and all that? I am enjoying myself. Why to do?” You are never bored of your company. You enjoy yourself so much that you don’t want any drink. Like when you get the nectar of life, why should you get after these horrible things? You just don’t do it. But this doctor thought, “Oh, how can that be? I may have forgotten but today I’ll have it.” So he walked into a pub and asked for the thing. He drank. After that he had such a pain, he vomited all that. And he told me, “The same wine which I used to enjoy, started smelling like cork to me. As if cork has been pushed into my tongue. I just couldn’t bear it and I vomited and I had pain in the stomach. Mother what is this?” I said, “Alright, it’s good!” You cannot do then adharma. You just cannot do it. You just become dharma. You just cannot do it even if you try. It just works. I mean, there are people here, at least fifty percent people, who have been druggists and chemists! Absolutely! They have given [up] drugs just like that. Just like that they have given [up] drugs. Of course, they had to get over the after-effects of drugs. That’s different. But as far as giving up is concerned, no problem at all, no problem of any kind. I didn’t have to tell them even, it just happened. Dharma is established within you, because when the light is there you see what it is. But this seeing is not what you understand before Realisation - is through your rational being or through your sense organs - but is a happening within you where you become that, you just feel it. You just can’t help it. That should happen; is the best, because human beings otherwise are difficult. They find it difficult to maintain it. Now, I mean, everything they surpassed. First they use to say, “What about our social relationships?” Their social relationships have improved, their jobs have improved, their all material things have improved. If you don’t drink, I mean you save fifty percent of your money as it is! [It’s] practical apart from anything else! But, according to Sahaja Yoga it’s much subtler because the power of maintaining our material well-being is called as Lakshmi. And this Lakshmi is a very powerful deity or a very powerful thing. But, alcoholism, alcohol is one thing or any such things like drugs and all that, as soon as she sees entering into the being, she just disappears. She just can’t bear it. So a person may think that by drinking he doesn’t lose his money [but] he is sadly mistaken. If he does not drink he will have ten times more money than he has. And you can see the result today that, when Englishmen were known in India, Englishmen’s whisky meant this much, every night; that’s all. Today if you see the same thing in third generation, you’ll be shocked. I mean, first time I came to England I was surprised because to us Englishmen means one peck, so little, before sleeping, very decent. That’s what we thought they were gentlemen of that calibre. But when I saw here, I was surprised. “Oh, God, what is this? What Englishmen are these?” So this happens in [the] third generation. If alcoholism somehow or other reduces in England you can surpass all the economic problems; take it from me. Absolutely! You’ll solve all your economics. Just stop alcohols. All your strikes will stop because they want money for what? For alcohols only. If you get money - have an alcohol. Somebody dies - have champagne. Somebody passes - champagne. Somebody married - champagne. For everything there is a champagne! Even in the church you see barrels and barrels of whisky flowing in. Barrels and barrels of this thing is flowing in. In mean, even in the church! Now today somebody told me that he’s got a special wine from a Catholic church, which is called as Benedicts and is a special one. I said, “Where did you buy that?” He said, “In Rome, in the Vatican. You can only get it there, the best!” I was surprised that you can only get it in Vatican and he was so proud of it and he was showing me that! And now it is called as ‘Benedict’. Just imagine! ‘Benediction’. ‘Benediction’ is that which gives you Realisation. What Realisation does the drinking give you? I don’t know. Only thing I have seen [is] that people fall on the streets, they talk like stupid people. You don’t know what to do with them. It’s most embarrassing. So this is what is dharma is, that is just enlightens you and you enjoy your virtues. Not your weaknesses but your virtues. And you enjoy the virtues of others. That’s what is dharma that has to be enlightened. May God Bless you! You have to just put your hands just like this, just like this. Put both the feet on the ground. Please close your eyes. According to the way the Kundalini is moving, which I know on my own Kundalini, I will ask you a few things. Please try to do them with earnestness and alertness. Now, I have to request you to forgive everyone. Forgive everyone: those who have troubled you, tortured you, have made you unhappy, anyone. You just say, “I forgive.” Is very important. Just try to forgive. Say, “I forgive. Mother, I forgive. I forgive all of them, all the people who have tortured me.” Just say that from your heart. Please say that, “I forgive.” Please close your eyes. You have to be honest to yourself. Just say that, “I forgive.” Only saying is sufficient. Only saying. But say with the heart. It will help you a lot if you can say that. Forgive everyone. Everyone you forgive. When you forgive everyone, actually you leave it into the hands of God to punish them or do whatever they like. And that’s the best [way] to manage the thing. Just say, “I forgive.” Best thing is to leave it to God to do the job whatever it is. You don’t take the load. They may be nasty. They may be horrid. They might have tortured you. Doesn’t matter. Just say. Even Christ said that. Just again, please say it. Close your eyes and say it, because if you do not forgive also, what do you do? You are playing into their hands. Nothing is harmed, they are not harmed by your not forgiving them. It’s you [who] are harmed. Because you are remembering all that, you are harming yourself. You are tortured by that. You are torturing yourself not they. Now the second thing you have to ask [for] is the forgiveness, yourself. Because might be some mistakes must have been committed. By mistake you might have done something wrong, something unrighteous. In seeking, you might have done something wrong. So just ask for God to forgive you, that’s all. You put your right hand on your heart and ask for forgiveness. It will be better. Left hand towards me and right hand on the heart. Now, [while] asking this, you must know that He is the ocean of compassion. He is the ocean of forgiveness and He is the ocean of love and He is anxious for you to enter into His Kingdom. He is the One who wants the culmination of His Creation into a beautiful happening by which He gives you the complete joy of your being. So you just ask for His forgiveness but do not feel guilty about anything. Whatever has happened, has happened, is forgiven. So you just say that, “If there is anything, please forgive.” But do not feel guilty. I think best thing is to say, “I’m not guilty.” Again and again to say that, “I am not guilty.” Because that’s a very common practice here, to feel guilty. Let Him judge you. Not to feel guilty at all is very important. Please tell yourself thrice that, “I am not guilty.” Now the Kundalini will rise and you will feel absolutely thoughtless. There’s no thought in your mind. You’ll see that. Just see it: is there any thought in your mind.

Are You Seekers? Caxton Hall, London (UK), 24 November 1980. …that has to be first realised - what is your category. And if you are that category, of the category which is seeking beyond what you have and that you are not satisfied with what you have already, then you are the category of seekers who have been seeking something that is very subtle, that is not gross, not intelligible through your sensory organs. How it happens within us - it is very interesting to see. Within us, as I have told you, there are these subtle centres which have developed through the process of our evolution. Through the process of our evolution we have become human beings. While we were becoming human beings, all these centres have been also evolving within us. These centres are placed in the spinal cord, in the centre of the spinal cord, and they manifest outside grossly on [the] physical level, as plexuses. As they are evolving inside, also the outside, the gross plexuses are also evolving. For example, animals do not insure their lives, do they? They have fear. They know how to react to a fear but they do not know how to insure. After some time the animals forget their children. Animals can pass through any filth, any dirt, any untidiness. They don’t understand tidiness, neatness. Animals do not organise. Animals don’t plan. They do sometimes when they have to catch hold of a prey, but that too, not too far. Like we have five-year plans, ten-year plans, twenty-year plans as the human being have. They do not put any energy into that. The reason for all this is that man has evolved much more than all the animals put together. He is an evolved soul. Now these evolved souls have also got a category of greater evolved people who are not satisfied with the general norms of life. For example, there are people who are interested say, in having power. And they want to have power. Till they die they want to have power. Till they die they won’t give a resignation. I mean, sometimes they put one foot in the grave and still the resignation in the another hand, in case they do not die and they have to pull out the leg, so it’s better to keep it handy! There are people who stick on to other games of life, like money. They are money-oriented people. They find their securities in money. They run after money. They plan out everything according to money. All their lives they are doing that. There are [a] third type of people who indulge into so-called love affairs and things like that; into emotional movements of their mind. But there are some others who think that these things are not so interesting for them. So the fourth category takes to religion - to know about beyond. They read about the prophets, the great scriptures, all the great religions of the world. But as the pioneer of the religion dies, the followers, somehow or other, built in fanaticism around them and fanaticism is the death of religion, is absolutely the death of religion. I have seen people who get cancer are sometimes fanatics. If you could cure their fanaticism, you can cure their cancer because all such false identification requires extra energy in a man. He has to stick on to some sort of obstinacy! Now supposing I am holding on to it (the microphone) and I do not want to leave my hand from here - for nothing at all! I say, “No, I am not going to leave.” “No! This is the thing I believe into. I am going to stick on to it!” Then I require a lot of energy to hold on to it. But if I could be free and see, it is better. Like I remember a gentleman fell down from the sixteenth story and he was asking for help and help. And he saw people passing from the back. He was holding onto one of the rails, and he could not understand how the people are passing around. He said, “Help for what?” He said, “I’m falling.” They said, “Where? Here is the road!” He had, just near the road, had caught hold of the rod! And he was asking for help, and he was just shouting. When they said, “This is the road. You better put your foot down.” he fainted! Because he had put all his energy into a nonsensical thing, believing into a myth. And myth always takes away your energy, while the Truth enriches your energy. Because you don’t have to hold on to the Truth, the Truth carries you along. Any kind of fanaticism is not your way, as I told you yesterday. And if anybody is a fanatic, then he is not seeker. Because he’s found whatever it is. He has to deal with his fanaticism and his faiths. So the another category of people are there which are anti everything: everything that is established. Anything. Christ - they are against Christ. Anything. They are reactionaries. They are against Nanak Saheb, they are against Mohammed Saheb. They are against everything that has been established because whatever is established is not true. Those who have established have taken a mythical attitude. When they take up a mythical attitude and they try to stick onto it, those who think about it are shocked and they think, “These are drunk people. These are possessed people!” So they say, “Alright, that we are not!” So we become atheist. We don’t believe in God. We don’t believe in any spiritual power. We do not believe in any divine power. We do not believe in anything that is said before. According to them, all prophets were wrong. All religions are wrong. There is no God - [they think they are] the wisest people every born! So there is another category of extra-wise. You can call them intellectuals. These days I don’t know what you call them. This is another category. Now there is another very subtle category, which tries to exploit all these things that are existing. Some of them do it because they do believe that they have found out something new, like psychologist, like Freud. They are ignorant, absolutely half-baked people. They do not know the whole thing. They just know a part of it and to them that’s the truth. Like you find a needle somewhere and say the needle is the whole world. They know very little and they don’t know what to do with the needle, and so they come out with the needle, saying, “Needle is the world!” And such people are very anxious to write books and convey their messages to the world and communicate to the whole world what they have found out, while whatever they have found out is nothing but just a few drops of truth. And they are trying their level best to spoil [it]. Now there is a category of another people which are sinister. In that you know so many types which I do not want to discuss here. From Hitler you can start, all kinds of brutal people and all that. They go parallel with all these categories. But I would say the worst of all are those who try to make money in the name of God, and worse than that, the worst of all, are the people who try to play games with God. Those who take money are openly bad but those who try to play with your Kundalini, with your Realisation, are really to be called as demonic categories. And all such people should know, as Blake has said, that they will go to the hell from where they can never rise. Now whether you believe it or not, there is God. Sahaja Yoga is a thing today which has reached that stage where the category of people who are men of God, they do not proclaim on the streets that, “I am a man of God.” No. They do not stand up with banners in their hands that, “I am the man of God.” They are very normal people. They are householders. They have children. They have grandchildren. They are very simple people. They lead a very ordinary life. They are not very successful people. But they are people, men of God. And these human beings of God are the ones I am talking about, is the category you people are. If you are not that category, Sahaja Yoga is not going to work on you to begin with. Later on, when we have a particular number of people, the evolution will take such a dynamic form, that thousands of people will receive their Self-realisation. Now the Self-realisation is the thing in which an ordinary man who looks an ordinary common person but who is actually a seeker, a true seeker, not a false seeker but a true seeker, receives the grace of the Divine and becomes a prophet. He becomes a prophet. This is what Sahaja Yoga is, that it makes you a prophet and a prophet of a very unique style, because the job of today’s modern prophets is very different from the prophets which came before, as I told you yesterday. The prophets who came before, as we celebrated yesterday, Guru Nanaka’s birthday and Mohammed Saheb and all others, like Moses, Abraham and all these, was to maintain your sustenance through giving you Ten Commandments. And these Ten Commandments exist in that centre there, where you see the green centre. You can see it very clearly in your stomach. The religion is in your stomach. It’s a thing built within you. It is not that I can give you a lecture about religion. But it is built within you. It is inside you. And this religion is to be maintained, was to be maintained that time; very important was that people should know what helps them to be a human being. And that was the job of all these prophets and they did it very well. But their disciples and maybe their followers made them into fanatic religions. You can’t help it. I mean, I have always said that they were like living flowers on this Earth, who came one after another on the Tree of Life. And people just plucked those flowers and said, “This is mine. This is mine.” The flowers became dead, ugly and useless. That is how fanaticism has prospered. And all the fanaticism in these modern times is [now] challenged. Everywhere people can see it that it is not logical to be fanatic. But as a result of ego activity in thinking they go to another extreme by which they condemn even the real flowers, even the originators, the ones who came on this Earth. This is going too far from the right point. From one extreme to another extreme they are moving. Now the specialty of the modern prophets is that you can make other people prophets. That means you can give them Realisation yourself. This is the difference between the Sahaja Yoga that worked out at the time of other people. That’s why there was hardly one or two Realised-souls. At the time of Janaka - say about eight thousand years back when Shri Rama was ruling, his father-in-law, who was a great prophet - he had one disciple whom he gave Realisation. And with very great tests and all that he took under his own guidance. He gave him Realisation. But today the time has changed because the Life’s Tree has increased, has reach to that state of maturity, where thousands of you have to be transformed. It has to be done. It’s the God’s plan. And those who fit into it are the people who are of the category who are seeking. Now, such category can be understood by many ways and there are some tests to understand what these people are. It may be that such people could be extremely nervous people, could be, because they cannot bear the unrighteous, sinful, deceitful world. The whole atmosphere may be jarring them. That’s why they are very shaky. Could be they might be very nervous because of that. They could be a people who might be a recluses. They might be people who might be hot-tempered. They might be people who are escapists. They could be the people who could be druggist. Could be alcoholic. They could be anything, because they are running away from the so-called horrible ‘reality’. Sahaja Yoga is a thing which establishes your reality within yourself, by which you feel secure, because your reality is beauty, it is joy. And then you don’t want to run away from that. This is what we have to understand, that we are here to receive our reality, to know ourselves. By knowing ourselves, how many things can happen to us, you have no idea. The whole property that you are, the whole wealth that you are, the whole beauty that you are, becomes your own. You become the master of your own being. This is the first thing that should happen: means your ill health must get alright. You know that there are people here who had very serious diseases, who got completely cured. You know there are people who have mental problems, who had epilepsies and things - they are cured. And how it happens? Just by knowing yourself, how powerful you are. Just think of that! Think of your own powers that, just by knowing yourself, how you have become so powerful. But this knowledge is not through your rationality, that, “I am such. I am Napoleon. I am this.” This kind of a knowledge is really stupid, it’s egoistical. But this knowledge is a dynamism in your own awareness. It’s a new perception within you by which you become something. You become a different person. You become a higher, evolved soul. And then you realise that you have suddenly become a being who is collectively conscious. Some progress very fast but some do not. Some progress tremendously fast. I know of a gentlemen who was supposed to be a drunkard and used to waste all his money in races and he did all kinds of things. He used to smoke like a chimney. And when he got his Realisation, the whole room was filled with fragrance. And everybody said, “This man? How can we believe, Mother? He is this and this and this.” I said, “But this is what it is! This was all the clouds upon him. And all the clouds have gone away and you see the sun coming in him. He’s a different man.” I don’t believe in the clouds, I believe in the sun. If I see the sun, the sun is there. I don’t see the clouds at all. I see the sun. Perhaps I have more penetrating eyes than you have. And I see the sun in the man. He has risen out of that. And now he is shining like a sun. So accept him and bow to him. He’s the one who was seeking, really, within. He thought that by playing races he’ll find joy. He thought by eating food like that he will have joy, or by smoking like that he will have joy. But he never was satisfied within himself. He never got involved into it to that extent that he lost his own being and his seeking and that’s how he is the one who is a true seeker. Sometimes it is some shocking to see in Sahaja Yoga how people get transformed just like that. Just the change starts coming, as if some magic has happened in the person’s life and he changes. But actually it is very simple to understand. When it rains and the whole place is so foggy, you don’t feel like going out anywhere: it’s so grey, you feel so horrible. But when the sun comes out, everyone, children, old people, young people, the housewives, all of them come out to greet the sun. When your sun comes out and you see your brilliance yourself and then, “Oh, it’s me! Is it me? Oh, God!” And that starts transforming. And you are amazed to see yourself the way you are transformed. That has to happen for you. But for this, already God has planned within you all these things very beautifully. As beautifully as He has made your exterior, He has made your interior equally beautifully, very delicately and with very great, very great care. Within you lies the Kundalini, in the triangular bone, the sacred bone called as sacrum, which gives you Realisation. This is one about which Christ has said, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” What is that? Every person has talked about him, but the trouble is, how will you explain tongues of flames? Kabira has talked so clearly. He has said, “Ida, Pingala, Sushumna.” Everything he has talked about, he talked about Kundalini! Shankaracharya has talked about. I would say Blake, William Blake. You read him. You will be amazed! He’s talking of today in his book, “Milton”. He is talking of Jerusalem of today. This place, this England, is going to be the Jerusalem, is the pilgrimage, where the people of God are going to be the prophets. He has talked of today! Can you imagine? He was not very old; he was not very ancient, very modern. He has prophesised about these days and it is happening. You don’t have to worry about these things. It is God’s plan that He has done it so well, and individually all of you have got this Kundalini in your triangular bone, called ‘sacrum’. See, the word ‘sacrum’ means ‘sacred’. How did they know, the word ‘sacrum’ to be put for this, is a sacred bone? This was discovered in ancient times, long, long time back. Even they say that Indra was given Realisation by Dattatreya. To that extent! I mean, how many years back it was done! But it was a guarded secret. It was done for very few people. Only it was Shankaracharya who started first. Adi Shankaracharya I would say, not these [modern ones]. But the Adi Shankaracharya started talking about it so clearly. Everywhere you find, even in Koran or in the Bible, everywhere it is said, any scripture which has lasted the time, it’s said that, “You are to be born again.” Now people have taken a note from that and they certify, “I am a twice-born.” Now what is the proof that you are twice-born? Everybody says, “I am a twice-born.” It is absurd. What do you mean by twice-born? As I have told you before that a bird is called as twice-born in Sanskrit language, and a Realised-soul is also called a twice-born. As the bird is an egg and, when the egg breaks, we do not see the egg but we see the chick coming out of it. In the same way it has to happen to you that, when your egg, which is made by the formation of ego and superego, the yellow and the blue on your head, has to break and then you become a new personality, a personality which is very different from what it was before. Egg doesn’t grow, does it? But the chick grows. Now the growth starts in the spiritual arena, in the spiritual understanding, into spiritual education. Now it starts! Not before that. You start feeling the Divine Power around and you understand that you are a universal being. All these nonsensical ideas, of race, of different religions, of different communities, are products of human endeavour, or we should say the human thinking; which is so stupid sometimes that it is impossible for a person like me to understand why we have to carry a passport from places to places. The God Almighty also must be failing to understand how this has been worked out by the great wise human beings. That He made only one world. He didn’t make many worlds. He just put some rivers and some nice mountains and some hills and dales, to make it a beautiful, interesting place for you. And you have divided into nations and into cities and villages and then into smaller places and then into a road and then into your houses and then into your kitchen. That’s what we have become! But the category of the people about whom I am saying, they can’t remain in their kitchens, they can’t remain in their houses, they cannot remain in their nations. They transcend the whole Universe. They cover the whole Universe. Because they become universal beings. They cannot think in this terminology. It hurts them. It hurts them. You see, it would be like a great person being put in a sack. You just force him to get into a sack or into a cup - how he’ll be hurt? Either the cup will break or the fellow will throw it away. It’s the ocean you are trying to put it into a cup, which you cannot do it. And such a stupidity has been done so far. But the time has come for all the oceans to be awakened to their greatness. And once they are awakened they will throw away all these minor boundaries and all these nonsensical barriers that has created such a mountain from one seed to another seed where two beautiful human beings are sitting and are fragrant with the fragrance of universal joy. After Realisation only you can also enjoy another personality. Normally you cannot. What you enjoy is his car, or his house or his dress or his looks or his behaviour towards you. At the most his intellect, his success, his horses. I don’t know what else. But after Realisation you just enjoy his vibrations! You just enjoy him in his innate thing. You do not see his age, you do not see his caste, you do not see his race but you see all this chaitanya, these vibrations, coming from the person and you just enjoy for hours together just feeling that. It’s so enjoyable. One person like that walks in, and all of you, “Ah!” This should happen to everyone. It has to happen. The time has come for this happening. That’s why we have so many seekers. They have been ill-treated, they have been deceived, they have been used, people have made money out of them. I accept [that]. But then I have to accept also that in seeking you had to be tested also, to see where do you stick on. If you want to go to the Truth, you will discard everything [else]. And once you come before the Truth you will have it. And that’s why this testing has to be done, because there is ego, human beings have their egos; they think, “Oh I will do this. I can do it. I can sort it out.” Alright. God says, “Alright, have it. Have it your way.” Then they will go and break their heads, break their legs, break their hands and then come saying that, “Mother, see, I have broken everything. Now what will you do?” So alright! The Sahaja Yoga has to work it out. But why do all that? Come straight to the Truth. Now, one has to understand that before Realisation you don’t have to do anything, but after Realisation those who do not understand their own esteem, they do not value their potentialities or their powers, can lose their vibrations in the early months. It has happened with many people: they have lost their vibrations completely because they have not paid any attention to themselves. They have not tried to improve themselves. They have not tried to keep up the vibrations. It’s like enlightening any light. We have to look after it for a while till it takes its own form. And that is how in Sahaja Yoga so many come and get Realisation, but those who grow are the real Sahaja yogis. The rest of them are wasted, are just wasted. They’ll come back again but they take too much time and the Divine does not have interest in such people, it does not help such people. So I have to request to you, request you that if you are seekers, you have to have your Realisation. Without that you will not be happy. But you must have full idea and responsibility about yourself that you are now an enlightened light. You are a beacon and you cannot afford to hide yourself. You have to give light to others. You have to work it out that way. It’s not now a question of only one Christ bearing the cross or one Mohammed talking about the message or one Nanaka fighting the whole world. It’s all of you put together have to fight it out and work it out. That’s what it is today. That’s why Sahaja Yoga, one can say, has reached the state of Mahayoga. “Sahaja”, Sahaja means born with you. It’s spontaneous. It is within you. The whole thing is within you. Just like a seed sprouts, the Kundalini sprouts spontaneously. You do not have to do anything about it. But when it becomes Mahayoga, means it becomes en masse, thousands of people can be given Realisation. In India we have someone who has given Realisation to ten thousand people in a village! He is just a farmer and he has done it. So you can imagine how much you can do. But in the West, as I have always warned you, it’s a very ego-oriented society, and people are very exclusive. Everybody wants to sort out. Immediately after Realisation everybody becomes an Archbishop of Canterbury! And they think no end of themselves. You have to have spiritual knowledge after this. You have to know everything about it. You have to master it. You have to master your body, you have to master your mind and you have to master the whole art of Kundalini. Then only you can say that it works. Otherwise, it’s just a waste. You are the people who are in the foundation, and you have to be the strongest people. You have to be the masters of Kundalini, absolutely the masters of Kundalini. It’s not individual. This is Mahayoga. Anybody who tries to be individualistic will be lost, will be no more in the circulation. This I have told you hundred, and hundred and one times. And the Spirit can only grow in collectivity because the nature of Spirit is universal. You cannot achieve anything exclusively. Those who try it will fail. You all have to join together and should know that you all awakened people. In the Primordial Being you are like the awakened cells who know the Primordial Being and who have the powers by which they can communicate the powers of God to other people. You all have to be absolutely one with each other, not to find faults but to love and enjoy each other. That’s the best way you can move. As you know that this subject is so varied, and it requires so much of explanation, for which now we have lots of tapes, and if you people want you can get tapes from Douglas (Fry), who has really put in lot of effort for it. You can play them and can understand and can improve all your knowledge about Sahaja Yoga. And now I’ll be going to India and perhaps there may be only one lecture more where it will be just a farewell function we’ll have. I would like some of the Sahaja Yogis to ask some questions today, because it’s a nice opportunity for you to ask some questions. But not the people who haven’t got Realisation, because those who haven’t got Realisation are not entitled because they do not know. They have no news about it. They don’t understand. They should not ask any questions. Those who are Sahaja Yogis should ask. I mean, it would be something like those who have never visited India, are asking questions about India. Better go to India, find out about [it] yourself, see it in deeply, how it is, what it is, and then you can ask questions. Not just visit Delhi talk to some Westernised Indians and come back and tell me stories about them! In the same way, those who have not been to England, meet some of the politicians or something like that, go back and tell something about England which I will not believe and you should not believe. You have to understand the country on a philosophical level, on philosophy - where are they. And unless and until you understand that subtle thing, you cannot say anything about it. For example, for England, I have always said that the young generation of England are the best in the whole world. Take it from me, whether they are English, or whatever it is, whatever nationality, but the young generation that are English are the best. No doubt about it. Because they have developed, no doubt, but they have kept their wisdom intact. India, the young people are developing and they have to go through all your discotheques and all those rumble-tumbles, till they come to the stage where they’ll take alcohols and then they will take to your drugs and then they might take to [seeking]. Americans are too shifty. They have not kept their wisdom intact. (laughter) But thanks to the tradition of British, that you have kept your traditions still intact and you know about your country because it’s a small country. So I depend very much on the English youth. But if you ask anyone else, they will say, “Oh, these English youth [are] extremely rude, arrogant. Good for nothing! Drugged, lethargic. Useless!” But I have seen now young people and young people all over the world and this is what I have to say about them. Now I would like you to ask me questions. First the Sahaja yogis, then we can ask the non-Sahaja yogis. Difficult. You have become thoughtless, actually, you cannot ask! This is the trick of Sahaja Yoga! When it crosses this point, you cannot think. Even if you want to think, you cannot. No questions? Now non-sahaja yogis, please. Seeker: How about times when you should do the meditation? What sort of times? Shri Mataji: Oh, there’s nothing. No rules. You go beyond time. Every time you are in meditation only. You see, what is meditation? You cannot do meditation, you have to be in meditation. You become meditative. You are all the time in meditation. I mean, there is no time when you are not, because you become a different person. Those people who do meditation, I don’t know how they do it. Really, I can’t understand. Because which is the way you enter into the realm of meditation? Unless and until the Kundalini takes your attention to that state,you cannot meditate. So how can you do? You cannot lift the Kundalini with your hand and put Her there. No lift can work it out. It’s only through spontaneous awakening that the Kundalini rises. So you cannot do meditation. And once you are there, you are there. So there is no timing. Nothing fixed. But it depends on the kind of a person they are. For example, say somebody who gets up [at] eleven o’clock in the morning, doesn’t brush his teeth, rushes to the office, comes back home, sleeps at two o’clock in the night, can’t sleep before two o’clock, then such a person has to develop certain habits. Because we have to neutralise the habits that we have had. So maybe that time we will have to just turn the tables, and we can manage. We can change all our habits. And we can have such habits by which we neutralise our old habits. It depends on what sort of a person it is. For example, we Indians have a bad habit of getting up very early in the morning and having a bath in the morning. Whether it is England, America or even if we are with Eskimos, we’ll do that! That’s typical. Otherwise, we don’t feel happy. Just before going to the office, we’ll take our baths and walk out in the cold. I mean, it is the greatest punishment for an Indian to say, “You don’t take your bath.” I mean, after coming to England some of them have reconciled. And to take bath in the night and sleep, they can’t believe it, they just don’t know what it is. So they get lung troubles. Some of them have got lung cancer. One of the common diseases I’ve seen amongst Indians is what you call the, we call it the heart chakras, the, the cardiac plexus catching; common. The reason is this, that, they have no consideration about the temperature outside. Now if you tell them, they can’t believe me. They think a religious person must take his bath every day. That’s the idea they have. Not in England. I mean, you can take your bath every day, but not the bath and just walk out [of the house]. Then I have to tell, “Can you have you bath, say, thrice a week or four times a week, if possible?” But to an Englishmen, you better get up at four o’clock and have your bath! It depends on who you are. So there is nothing like having a fixed thing in Sahaja Yoga. It depends on what sort of a person you have, what habits are there, what are your loopholes, what are your weaknesses. So we have to look after that. Like, it’s very common practice, you know. Supposing we have to go to my house from here. Now you don’t know how to go, so you see the map and whichever way you have to go, you just go. It’s a new life. It’s a new map. So you have to see which way you have to go. You change accordingly and you go accordingly. You cannot have fixed idea now, anymore. You have to see. If your car has got a trouble with its brake, better is to repair the brake, isn’t it? Or will you say that, “Doesn’t matter. Even [if] my brake is bad, I’ll go ahead. As long as my tyres are alright, I don’t care for the brake.” Sahaja Yoga is just opposite. If the brake is not alright, don’t worry about the tyres, but think about the brake. It’s very discretionary. You become very discrete about yourself and you start repairing your car; that’s yourself. Because you get out of your car and you see the problems. You are not identified anymore with you. For example, Don would come and tell Me, “Mother, I am catching on my Agnya here.” Now what does that mean? It means actually Ego. But he will have no objection in telling me or he will in no way feel ashamed to tell me that, “My ego is like a balloon here coming up Mother. Better solve the problem.” You see your ego so clearly and you want to get rid of it. Anybody would do that. But if you tell somebody before Realisation, “You have got ego,” you’ve had it. I have never done that and none of you should do. Let them feel the Agnya after Realisation. They come and tell you and you move it. In the same way, any other trouble, even for diseases, if you tell somebody that, “You have such disease,” he may jump down from here with fear. In Sahaja Yoga you come to know about the diseases much, much before any doctors know, because on your fingers you can feel it. But you don’t have to tell the person at all. You just talk in your code language. What is catching? You tell, “This is catching. Ekadasha Rudra is catching.” Alright, what does that mean? That is the beginning of the cancer. There’s already for it. So Ekadasha. Clear out the Ekadasha Rudra, is all here (pointing to forehead). Now nobody knows what Ekadasha Rudra is, except for the Sahaja yogis. And they know there is no danger because it is curable. So they clear it out. That’s the beginning of a personality, where he starts getting into this trouble or that trouble. And say left Agnya is catching, is a sign that he is going lunatic asylum and little combinations. You don’t have to tell the person but you can save him from going to lunatic asylum. He need never go. People have come down to our program to lunatic asylum and when they went back, they were told, “You better not come up here.” It can happen like that. It’s very simple. It is so simple, you can’t imagine. The whole thing is so simple but you have to learn what it is. You can cure people. You can help your atmosphere. You can do lots of things. The greatest of all that you become the collective being. So it changes. There’s no time, nothing. You are a free bird. It’s all freedom. There’s no bondage. You yourself want to sit down meditating. Now I came here, I was supposed to talk and start my speech but I was enjoying my meditation so much so I went into that. All the time you are in meditation mood and you can enjoy it anytime you want to Seeker: Do you hope to come back to England in the near future? Shri Mataji: No, no, I am stationed here. Absolutely, I am glued to this place for five years more! And I am going to come back very soon. I am there only for two months, or one month I will be going to Australia. So [after] three months altogether, I’m back. I’m sure even when I go back after five years, your government won’t object [to] my coming here. I hope so by that time. So, it’s just I had to come here. I have been now here seven years and five years more. Twelve years! Can you imagine? Alright? That should set you alright. That was one of the fears is it? No. Now is it alright for all of you? Anyone else? Sahaja Yogi: You can tell us something about dharma Mother. Shri Mataji: Dharma? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: There’s a, there’s a tape on dharma and on Guru which you can see. Dharma is the sustenance which is established by an aspect of God in our stomach. Our stomach teaches us our dharma. “Dharayati sa dharmaha”, means the one you sustain is your dharma. For example, the dharma of gold is that it is untarnishable. The dharma of carbon is [that] it has got four valencies. If you have seen the periodic laws of chemistry, you will know that all the elements have got their own dharmas. And they are given these dharmas by the law of God. It’s the Divine Law which has given them these dharmas. Up to the stage of human beings the dharma of a person or of any animal, or of any element, is determined absolutely by divine laws and they do not cross it. For example, a lion will behave like a lion. He cannot behave like a cat. A scorpion will behave like itself. It cannot behave like a lion. A tiger will behave like a tiger. Tiger is the king and he won’t eat anything killed by another animal. Only when he is hungry, he kills the animal and he eats whatever he likes in one gulp and then he rests and others come and eat that. He won’t eat anything that is eaten by others and he won’t kill anything that he need not kill. He’s the king. That’s why if one tiger is killed in a forest the whole forest seems so gloomy. Because their king has been killed. Though he’s a terror for them. But he lives with his own dharma, with his own boundaries. He doesn’t cross his boundaries. Any one of these, up to the human level, have their own dharmas. Only the human beings have been given the freedom to cross the dharma, they can. I mean, in a human being, you can find a lion, you can find a serpent and you can find also a worm. You can find the combination of all that in one person or in the whole group you’ll find all kinds. But if they want they can transcend. And the greatest thing is [that] they can transcend the dharma itself. Means they become so great that they can be sinless. Just they can’t do any sins. These dharmas are established within you. These Ten Commandments are there within us. If you try to transgress them you are losing your dharma, your sustenance, beyond which you have to rise. For Realisation, you have to rise beyond dharma, dharmateet – beyond. But first your dharma must be established. If it is not established, you cannot rise. But in Sahaja Yoga, even [if] your dharma is disturbed it’s forgiven. Still you can get your Realisation. Then you establish your dharma. It’s better. Because it has been seen [that] those people who tried to establish their dharmas can become extremely, extremely dry. They can be fanatics. The compassion part of it is lost. So the compassion itself works in such a way that all adharmas you have done, whatever you have done is forgiven. And you better have your Realisation and with that power you establish your dharma. And you have to establish it. For example, you know that alcohol goes against your awareness. Awareness is the main thing, which is enlivened, enriched by dharma. The human awareness goes down through alcohol, you know [this] for definite. All the great saints who have looked after the dharma, the prophets, have said against alcohol and against smoking. Mohammed Saheb did not say about smoking because they did not have smoking. But the same person came as Nanaka. As Guru Nanaka he has prohibited, absolutely prohibited anything that intoxicates you, your awareness. Because they knew that it will harm you very much. It does harm you. You lose the chances of your Realisation very much. It is true that it is injurious. One thing as alcoholism, I am saying. There can be something else people do, like thieving or anything like that, is against your sustenance. But Sahaja Yoga is a method by which you first get your Realisation and then your dharma is to be established so that you are empowered by itself. For example, I never tell people, “Don’t drink,” because half of the people would walk out, even Indians. They just drink like - I don’t know - fishes. I don’t know if fishes drink, but human beings do! And then if I tell them, they will be very angry. We had a doctor here who used to drink who came to me. He got his Realisation and he went to Germany. And he was fond of a kind of a wine, a special wine they make in Germany. He said, “Let me try some of this.” He had given up because you don’t remember that you have to drink. You never get bored enough to drink! You see, you feel, “What’s the use of getting up and getting a glass and all that? I am enjoying myself. Why to do?” You are never bored of your company. You enjoy yourself so much that you don’t want any drink. Like when you get the nectar of life, why should you get after these horrible things? You just don’t do it. But this doctor thought, “Oh, how can that be? I may have forgotten but today I’ll have it.” So he walked into a pub and asked for the thing. He drank. After that he had such a pain, he vomited all that. And he told me, “The same wine which I used to enjoy, started smelling like cork to me. As if cork has been pushed into my tongue. I just couldn’t bear it and I vomited and I had pain in the stomach. Mother what is this?” I said, “Alright, it’s good!” You cannot do then adharma. You just cannot do it. You just become dharma. You just cannot do it even if you try. It just works. I mean, there are people here, at least fifty percent people, who have been druggists and chemists! Absolutely! They have given [up] drugs just like that. Just like that they have given [up] drugs. Of course, they had to get over the after-effects of drugs. That’s different. But as far as giving up is concerned, no problem at all, no problem of any kind. I didn’t have to tell them even, it just happened. Dharma is established within you, because when the light is there you see what it is. But this seeing is not what you understand before Realisation - is through your rational being or through your sense organs - but is a happening within you where you become that, you just feel it. You just can’t help it. That should happen; is the best, because human beings otherwise are difficult. They find it difficult to maintain it. Now, I mean, everything they surpassed. First they use to say, “What about our social relationships?” Their social relationships have improved, their jobs have improved, their all material things have improved. If you don’t drink, I mean you save fifty percent of your money as it is! [It’s] practical apart from anything else! But, according to Sahaja Yoga it’s much subtler because the power of maintaining our material well-being is called as Lakshmi. And this Lakshmi is a very powerful deity or a very powerful thing. But, alcoholism, alcohol is one thing or any such things like drugs and all that, as soon as she sees entering into the being, she just disappears. She just can’t bear it. So a person may think that by drinking he doesn’t lose his money [but] he is sadly mistaken. If he does not drink he will have ten times more money than he has. And you can see the result today that, when Englishmen were known in India, Englishmen’s whisky meant this much, every night; that’s all. Today if you see the same thing in third generation, you’ll be shocked. I mean, first time I came to England I was surprised because to us Englishmen means one peck, so little, before sleeping, very decent. That’s what we thought they were gentlemen of that calibre. But when I saw here, I was surprised. “Oh, God, what is this? What Englishmen are these?” So this happens in [the] third generation. If alcoholism somehow or other reduces in England you can surpass all the economic problems; take it from me. Absolutely! You’ll solve all your economics. Just stop alcohols. All your strikes will stop because they want money for what? For alcohols only. If you get money - have an alcohol. Somebody dies - have champagne. Somebody passes - champagne. Somebody married - champagne. For everything there is a champagne! Even in the church you see barrels and barrels of whisky flowing in. Barrels and barrels of this thing is flowing in. In mean, even in the church! Now today somebody told me that he’s got a special wine from a Catholic church, which is called as Benedicts and is a special one. I said, “Where did you buy that?” He said, “In Rome, in the Vatican. You can only get it there, the best!” I was surprised that you can only get it in Vatican and he was so proud of it and he was showing me that! And now it is called as ‘Benedict’. Just imagine! ‘Benediction’. ‘Benediction’ is that which gives you Realisation. What Realisation does the drinking give you? I don’t know. Only thing I have seen [is] that people fall on the streets, they talk like stupid people. You don’t know what to do with them. It’s most embarrassing. So this is what is dharma is, that is just enlightens you and you enjoy your virtues. Not your weaknesses but your virtues. And you enjoy the virtues of others. That’s what is dharma that has to be enlightened. May God Bless you! You have to just put your hands just like this, just like this. Put both the feet on the ground. Please close your eyes. According to the way the Kundalini is moving, which I know on my own Kundalini, I will ask you a few things. Please try to do them with earnestness and alertness. Now, I have to request you to forgive everyone. Forgive everyone: those who have troubled you, tortured you, have made you unhappy, anyone. You just say, “I forgive.” Is very important. Just try to forgive. Say, “I forgive. Mother, I forgive. I forgive all of them, all the people who have tortured me.” Just say that from your heart. Please say that, “I forgive.” Please close your eyes. You have to be honest to yourself. Just say that, “I forgive.” Only saying is sufficient. Only saying. But say with the heart. It will help you a lot if you can say that. Forgive everyone. Everyone you forgive. When you forgive everyone, actually you leave it into the hands of God to punish them or do whatever they like. And that’s the best [way] to manage the thing. Just say, “I forgive.” Best thing is to leave it to God to do the job whatever it is. You don’t take the load. They may be nasty. They may be horrid. They might have tortured you. Doesn’t matter. Just say. Even Christ said that. Just again, please say it. Close your eyes and say it, because if you do not forgive also, what do you do? You are playing into their hands. Nothing is harmed, they are not harmed by your not forgiving them. It’s you [who] are harmed. Because you are remembering all that, you are harming yourself. You are tortured by that. You are torturing yourself not they. Now the second thing you have to ask [for] is the forgiveness, yourself. Because might be some mistakes must have been committed. By mistake you might have done something wrong, something unrighteous. In seeking, you might have done something wrong. So just ask for God to forgive you, that’s all. You put your right hand on your heart and ask for forgiveness. It will be better. Left hand towards me and right hand on the heart. Now, [while] asking this, you must know that He is the ocean of compassion. He is the ocean of forgiveness and He is the ocean of love and He is anxious for you to enter into His Kingdom. He is the One who wants the culmination of His Creation into a beautiful happening by which He gives you the complete joy of your being. So you just ask for His forgiveness but do not feel guilty about anything. Whatever has happened, has happened, is forgiven. So you just say that, “If there is anything, please forgive.” But do not feel guilty. I think best thing is to say, “I’m not guilty.” Again and again to say that, “I am not guilty.” Because that’s a very common practice here, to feel guilty. Let Him judge you. Not to feel guilty at all is very important. Please tell yourself thrice that, “I am not guilty.” Now the Kundalini will rise and you will feel absolutely thoughtless. There’s no thought in your mind. You’ll see that. Just see it: is there any thought in your mind.

11/28/1980

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Public Program Day 2. Paris (France), 28 November 1980. ... now in this world in such a big number. What is the reason that such a seeking [is established?]? Suddenly a great number of people are seeking God? They are like I the evolutionary process anywhere. For example a certain number of fishes had to come out of the sea to become the reptile. In the same way in this process when we have to become something superior - super human beings - then certain number of people have to come out of the ignorance that they have. In our evolutionary process what has happened is nothing but that our awareness has been improved - evolved. In the same way the category of people as I've discussed yesterday who are seekers are the ones who are chosen to be the transformed people or the evolved people of the second stage. As I said last time that flowers have to become fruits. It's only flowers who can become fruits the stage is that today that you are flowers and that you can become fruits. The leaves cannot grow like a flower grows. This transformation is the sign of something prophesized long time back. This is the Last Judgment that has started. Our idea about Last Judgment is sometimes very absurd. Actually God has made us in such a way that a time will come when we ourselves judge ourselves. For this purpose He has placed within us a power called Kundalini and a triangular bone called as sacrum. You can see[...] This power rests in our triangular bone in three and a half coils. This power has to rise, awaken to give us our Self-realization as they call it. After this realization only the transformation will start. Without that there cannot be any fundamental transformation in our awareness. Many people think that if they can read about God or if they could talk about God or they do certain techniques they will become one with God. This is a living process and has to happen spontaneously. You cannot force it. You cannot argue it out. You cannot certify. It has to happen within you. This is the Last Judgment because that's the only way you can be judged. God almighty is not going to have a balance or something like that in which He puts you and weigh how much you weigh. We have - you can see here clearly - there are three forces acting within us. The first force is the force of our desire and the second force is of our action. By the first force we have our emotional side and by the another one we have our physical and the mental side. This is the very subtle energy within us which is flowing and is expressing itself - manifesting itself outside in the gross as sympathetic nervous system. Now, the central line that you see there represents whatever awareness we have so far achieved up to the human level. There is still a big gap within us which has to be crossed. This is the gap of our seeking which you can see as the green part here. In this area we seek. We seek through our central - that point there is called as the Nabhi Chakra - is the navel center. For example, as an animal we seek our joy or our happiness in food. Our awareness develops up to the point of food only. Then we seek power as human beings do. They want to become king and become politicians. Then some of them seek money then they seek success but still they are not happy, they are not satisfied. The seeking is still on and beyond this man does not know what he has to seek. For this we have got great incarnations and great prophets who came and told that you have to seek your Self. Now, your Self is within your heart, your Spirit, and how do you enter into it to seek? If I say you pay attention to your Self inside, can you take your attention inside? Your attention is towards Me but you can't put it inside. That is why this happening has to take place. With this happening your attention is subtly attracted inside. Your attention exists in that area and this area has to be somehow penetrated or brought into the realm of Spirit. This Kundalini, when She rises from Her sleep She pushes out your attention just like this [translator later describes: like a cloth], upward. Now, because of this pulling up it also pulls your attention from the left and the right side. When the Kundalini rises She pierces this area of fontanel bone and this area is called as Brahmarandra in Sanskrit means opening into the hole of Brahma, of divine power. The seat of your Spirit is here and when the Kundalini goes and takes your attention to that seat your attention gets enlightened by the Spirit. Spirit is absolute. It enjoys by itself. You cannot feel the enjoyment of the Spirit because you are not one with the Spirit. As soon as this happening takes place you start feeling the emission of the cool breeze in your hand which is your Spirit. This is the divine power flowing through you. This is the spiritual power actually this is what that is flowing through you. If this happening does not take place in you, you cannot be certified as realized souls. When this happening takes place then you start judging yourself. Because as soon as the Kundalini passes through all these great, great chakras, it enlightens all other chakras on your fingertips. You can feel them on your fingertips. For example today while coming in the taxi (we had no car, we got in a taxi) and immediately getting into the taxi I knew that the fellow was possessed. And I started giving him correction on this center which is the left Swadishthan. Comes out of black magic, fake gurus, all kinds of mesmerism, psychology, any unauthorized behavior. If somebody belongs to an organization [not of God, he cannot do that?] You cannot organize God. You cannot regulate Him. You cannot conceptualize Him. He is what He is. You have to just see how He is. We have to humble down before Him to see Him as He is. Not to put our human ideas upon Him. Sometimes people tell Me very childish things and I just laugh at them because they don't know what they are talking about. But this unauthorized behavior can be very serious like they crucified Christ because they were ignorant. They were stupid and foolish. They can be forgiven but not those who have got Realization and still do not try to judge themselves and correct themselves. You have to have realization, no doubt. That is the responsibility of the divine and that is going to happen. But it is your responsibility after realization to be humble and allow yourself to grow in His light. Your can fell your own chakras on your fingers but also the chakras of other people whom you want to give realization. You will realize very soon that only a realized soul can give realization to other people. But I've met some very highly evolved people but they cannot give realization, most surprisingly. Sahaja yogis know because perhaps I know how to tell them. They have no one to tell them so they don't know how to raise Kundalini in a second. That's why they are hiding themselves in the Himalayas and in big mountains where they don't want to face human beings because they know they are of a different awareness. They know about the centers and [many things?] but the Kundalini doesn't move under their hands so fast. They think they are incapable of handling human beings. And also I was surprised that human beings have been torturing them - most of them whom I've met. Human beings are really very ego-oriented. They do not know how to judge people. The saints are crucified by them but the people who are scoundrels are garlanded. They have been very, very unkind to saints even today, but if they get some guru who can hypnotize them they go all mad after him. Sometimes I wonder if human beings want to be free at all. If freedom is given to them to achieve their own goals, they just don't know how to do it. Though you are the category of, no doubt, of that promised personalities called as God's men, the slavery, the sluggishness within us has to be given up. We have to be a very great personality. If you are misidentified with nonsensical ideas like [...?] and all these destroying taboos and barriers of life you are sure to loose the ground. You have to know that it has been created within you the possibility of getting your Self-realization. Your Self is anxious to manifest itself in your awareness and it will happen to all of you if you just ask for it. But even that much you people sometimes hesitate. It has to be done in complete freedom. There is no compulsion about it because it is complete liberation I'm talking about. Those who are not free cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. You cannot be forced into it like a pistol you take and push them in you cannot do that. It is necessary that one should understand that this is the most important time of your life. For example, in the villages of India Sahaja Yoga is working very fast. They are not complicated people and they have very simple habits. They have not gone too much on the left or on the right. They are in the center. Of course, in the Indian cities it doesn't work out because city people are getting sophisticated. It means really spoiled. But in the villages it is growing very fast. But in the western countries only the thugs and the scoundrels are working very well. Only those who can cheat you nicely you run after them. Those who can outwit in your intelligence and your ego such people are [big ..?]. For example there's a group of people in England who are already hundred thousands in number and now it has been declared as a malignant cult. In England we have another group of people who are about ninety thousands they have now become reclusive and are in a very bad shape of epilepsy but still they can't give up. They have become extremely poor. They're on the streets, their children are starving. Still they cannot give up. These are the effects of mesmerism. That means human beings are more adepts to hypnosis than liberty. On the left and the right hand side as you see here there are two areas within us. The left side is our collective subconscious beyond [?] and the right side is the collective supra conscious. Now, it has been established by doctors in England that cancer is caused by some sort of proteins entering into our beings from some unknown area - unknown, they are very honest. There are, because they may call them as protein 52 or protein 58 or something like that, they have given a name to it. And they also admit that these areas are built within us from the time we were created, created from the time creation was created. So, these two areas exist within us but they do not know what these areas are. When you go to the left or the right, means if you move with these gurus to the left and the right, their hypnosis and their methods of enchanting you, you enter into these dangerous areas and you are attacked by all kinds of proteins which have gone out of circulation of the evolution since creation. Virus infection is caused by vegetables which have gone out of circulation. Fermentation of anything, even of cheese or of the fermented alcohol and all those things are again taking you the left side. We are not aware of the problems one can face with these indulgences we have. That is why all the great prophets have prohibited us to have anything that will go against our awareness. And that is why those people who are real gurus if these days existing cannot work on you. Because if they tell you, "You cannot drink; you cannot smoke," you will run away. If they say that you have to obey the Ten Commandments t, you'll say it's very old fashion and you'll denounce it. But if there's a guru who will say, "Doesn't matter, you can have ten keeps and you can cheat hundred people, you can do smuggling, you can do what you like. Only thing you give me the money then I'll be your guru." Then it's very good for you. It's a convenient one. You like to have convenience in spirituality also. It is the greatest convenience otherwise; it is the greatest convenience to be religious, to be virtuous. A person who is virtuous has never problems with the police, with his own wife or children. Any virtuous society would be the most [? Translator : heureuse] No deception, no hiding is needed. But human beings found it impossible to be that. So, we have to have something which will give you realization first and then you judge yourself. Now Marie who is talking to you today, you won't believe, you must see her photograph, she came to me she was half in coma and half aware. She could not even talk to Me and today you see her that she's translating Sahaja Yoga. She gave up her drugs as soon as she got her realization, as soon as. The impact was so great because she is one of the great seekers, I would say. Her friend did not come to Me so readily till he got liver cirrhoses and doctors refused to treat him because he was such a [?] and they were expecting him to die within days - a month time. Then he came to Me. He lived in My house. My husband had gone out. When he came back he was shocked. He said, "What are you doing? If this person dies we'll be charged of murder." But the gentleman requested My husband that "I will give you in writing that nothing is going to happen to me. If something happens you are not responsible." And within eight days he got completely cured. He looked very handsome after that. He went to India and people from India told Me that he was looking like one of our very handsome actor. Then he went to Australia. No, the thing is, what happens to you is you have not yet found meaning. You don't know why you are there and you are really fed up with yourself. I mean you are absolutely bored by yourself. Supposing you go to jail, I mean somebody sends Me to jail, I'll be the happiest person. Because I can enjoy My Spirit there better. I don't have to [?] with hypnotized, possessed people. But for humans beings being alone is punishment because they cannot enjoy themselves not do they enjoy others. They say they love, they marry and next day they go for a divorce. In Moscow there is a big [?] a big, you can say a square through which every bride and bridegroom - would be - has to walk. And I asked, "Why this parade?" for these poor things have to walk. They dress up of course with all the formalities and with all the [?] and everything and, "Why this parade for them to go?" Two hundred people, sometimes it rains, sometimes there's mud. They told Me lest they decide to divorce they will have some chance. Really we don't know how to love because we cannot feel another person. After realization you'll see the beauty of the person. You see how a person can get his realization and how he can be beautiful. I see that beauty in you. You do not see your beauty and that's why I have patience. But you have to have patience. If do not have patience with yourself what's the use of My having patience? Apart from that you have to have humble attitude, because if you expect Me to pamper your ego you are sadly mistaken. I'm here to love and give you your realization. I'm not selling anything to pamper you nor am I here to degrade you. Because in My eyes you are that category which is supreme but you do not have self esteem. If you had then you would have known why I have patience with you. You can be very beautiful people with this, you can then really start feeling others and you can give realization. All this sounds fantastic because whatever is divine is fantastic. You have not yet known that. Even for a villager a television is a fantastic thing so for you also the divine power has to be very fantastic. But it's not so surprising. This light first looks just like little wax pillar or a poor little stuff but when you enlighten it, it is giving light. If you use it for your realization, you can work out this fire. You will see that sometimes this light can become so strong like that. Sometimes they tremble for no reason at all. And sometimes they can give such smoke that the whole room can be filled with smoke. In the same way you can enlighten the water. This I'm going to tell you later on, all about it. First of all you get your enlightenment then whatever you touch becomes enlightened because your heart has been enlightened. This is your own, this is your own power built in within you, potential within you. Now for this subject as I've told you tomorrow I'm going to tell you more about after realization what is to be done, but for today I think that should do and you can also read through the all the[?] for yourself what I've said. Not a word is false in there. You can yourself verify it. Through your own enlightenment you can enlighten another people, but apart from that you can cure them mentally, physically, emotionally. You can give them realization means you can make them prophets as you are but you have to have assiduity for that and I'm sure it will work out very well. As I told you yesterday that a farmer in Maharashtra in India has given realization to ten thousand people. [...]But now I have many of them who have got realization European disciples. At last thousand are there who are really, really good all over England, so let us see what we do in Paris. May God bless you! Also you can get tapes from England I've got three hundred or four. I don't know how many lectures which are in English but they can be all translated and you can hear about all the aspects of life. There are any questions? Q.: [translator] He says: "What is the correct attitude to meditate?" A.: Have you got your realization, my child? Not yet. Now, attitude should be cheerful, very cheerful. You are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. You are going to fulfill your seeking of the ages, of expectation and no [?] about it. Sit very freely and know that you are just facing your Mother. Feel relaxed and secured and it will work out.Q.: [translator] She wants to know because she says Kundalini is an energy which [shows effect?] in the spinal chord and... A.: Is the triangular bone, at the triangular bone which is called as sacrum. There's a triangle. Now sacrum word means [?] it is sacred. Q.: [translator] She says while meditating it feels a vibration in the body under the navel and she wants to know what it is... A.: What meditation she has done? Q.: [translator] She says some sort of meditation which doesn't have a name... A.: You cannot meditate; you have to be in meditation. It happens to you that you become. It's a question of becoming. If you try anything else then you are actually using your sympathetic activity. Q.: [translator] She says she doesn't do anything, she wants to know where it is... A.: The Kundalini is there at the triangular bone as I told you, on the triangular bone, but you see people try to do something about it. For example some people concentrate here is absolutely wrong because this is not the way the Kundalini is going to come out, is going to come out here. You should not concentrate or do anything - just keep quiet, that's all. You should be in the center. It is like just sprouting a seed. You can't put in any effort. You cannot pull out the [?] from the seed [...] But it sprouts like that, it's spontaneous, effortless. Only the one who knows can do it. Once you are realized you can do it yourself. All right? Absolutely spontaneous. Q.: [translator]It doesn't answers what she's asking [...] She says she feels a pulsation under the navel... A.: That's not good. That's not good. [..]But that can be cured, that can be corrected. You don't have to worry about it. Everything is to be corrected. That's the job I have to do, then you have to do. Q.: [translator] He says, "What about vibrations in the whole body?" A.: Vibrations are not the thing. You have to feel Cool Breeze in your hands. Cool Breeze. You see vibrations can be wrong. Only you should feel a Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost. Just Cool Breeze, not vibrations. You see, when the car goes out it vibrates, tuk, tuk, tuk, or if there is any heat or anything it comes out of the - uh... you can see that if there is no water you can see lot of smoke coming out and heat coming out. But these vibrations are also misleading to understand that it's not [?] you shake. You should not shake at all. On the contrary, Cool Breeze flows within from Me, if you take it, or from any realized souls or you emit Cool Breeze. You see, that is the best car or the aeroplane which does not vibrate at all. Q.: " I have something to ask you currently, a question. What is the difference between Kundalini yoga and other kinds of yoga? The reason I ask is [?]other types of yoga are concerned with raising Kundalini with different methods, I don't understand.A.: Now, I'll tell you that. Please be seated. See it was in the ancient times in India we had a system called as Chatur Varna. There were four periods of life. The small children after five years of age were sent to these schools called as universities that you call them were gurukulas, called as gurukula and then these gurus were all realized souls, specially the head guru by which the university was named. And the universities were called as gotras. Till the age of twenty five years for boys and twenty years [for girls...?] they used to lead an absolutely celibate like, absolutely, absolutely, in the past. And it was so much that anybody belonged to the same gotra - for example My gotra is Chandilya - now, I can't marry a man who comes from the same gotra. Even today, like brothers and sisters. Now these students were trained by those gurus and they were chosen - some of the chosen students whom they wanted to give realization were taken up and were given realization. Now Patanjali has written Ashtanga, eight yoga [sama [?]at the same time, eight aspects. The first aspect is Ishwara Pranidhan meaning realization - Ishwara means God; Pranidhan means... Pranidhan is established. To establish God within you is realization. After that, they had to go into the training of Yama-Niyama means rules and regulations of how to lead a righteous life and also they were given physical exercises according to the need of the centers [properly?] We are doing the same in Sahaja Yoga. Then all the mantras, the whole science of mantras is taught to Sahaja yogis. But now, what has happened is some of the people who tried to go to some gurus in Himalayas, specially Shivananda, and when the gurus found them unsuitable they came out from there, in recent times, I'd say. And when they had just learned some few uh... few exercises, they started teaching the people. And those who know these exercises we have found in Sahaja Yoga mostly catch on the heart center [?] because the attention has to be on the Spirit but the attention comes to the physical side. So the Spirit is angry with such people who are so much worried about their physical body. Modern time is such an enslavement, you can't imagine. They have got even measurement for the body that you should have so much inches and so much inches and so many inches. If they are left to themselves they will even have measurements for noses and eyes I tell you. Everybody's competing in that kind of a nonsense. They all want to become cinema actors I don't know what sort. Whatever it is I don't understand is how they get into any competition you put it to. Even if you tell them that "Yyou have to rub your noses and let's see how many times you rub your noses on the wall," they will go into any competition. What is there to compete? You are all individuals beautifully created so different. You have to be different otherwise you will be so boring. In this universe not even one leaf is like the other leaf. If they do their measurements match? But here the human beings like mad they're having a kind of an idea of measurement. And then what you get? The human beings or they are like pantomimes? So that is how Hatha Yoga is nothing but standing on your head. We also may use that exercise for certain people, never for French or English. It is meant for people who are mentally deficient not for people who have thoughts who grow like horns. Already you don't know how to stop your thinking. So, like a complete medicine box people take the Hatha Yoga into their body.Sahaja Yoga is a systematic training of understanding, logical understanding. You have to know about Mantras, you have to know about physical exercises, you have to know about everything. You must know about emotional side also. Main thing is that you have to become integrated. Sahaja Yoga synthesizes, does not analyze. It synthesizes all the yogas. For example Raja yoga. Now in Raja yoga actually the thing is when the Kundalini rises all these things happen inside automatically. For example the bandhas you see that take place. Bandhas means closing down. When the Kundalini rises above the stomach then the bandhas take place, doesn't allow it to come down. Then your tongue is little bit pulled inside. Then your eyes are dilated; then your fontanel bone area becomes soft. Now, what the people do is like this: Kundalini is not rising. They pull their stomach inside. They'll cut their tongue here, put it back. That's how they believe that their Kundalini has risen because can put the tongue back. Some of them might ask you to make this soft by beating here [Brahmarandra according to translator.] These are all artificial yoga. The real is the Kundalini Yoga where you become one with the Spirit, you know that you are becoming close to you. It is like this: There was a man who went to the King and told "I can make a huge, big palace for you. Give me lots of money." He's name was [?] After six month the King sent [?] He said, "No, yet not ready." Like this for about three years he was saying, "It's not ready." So King went down there. And he asked, "Where is the palace?" There was nothing it was just the ground. So he started telling him a story, "See, such a big - can't you see a big, huge door here? And now you walk into the palace, and this is the palace..." and he gave a big description. "And see the big darbar of people sitting down, all the court [?]"And here is your throne where you are going to sit." And the King rubbed his eyes; he could not see anything. He wondered, "What's the matter with my brain, something wrong?" The brain was sick. And the King said, "Oh! I can see it's done." So the fellow was very happy, he has befooled. So, very quietly the King says, "Now, I want to bestow the greatest honor upon you. Please come and sit on the throne." And he made him sit like this. In the pose as if he's sitting. And, can you believe, he could only sit like that for two minutes and he got tired. So he stood up. He said: "No, be comfortable, I want you to sit like this for at least an hour." That's how it [takes place?] All these artificialities and falsehood will be seen very soon by all of you. Yoga means union with God, which is spontaneous. That's why it is called Sahaja - means born with you. But now we call it Mahayoga because not only that you become one with God, but you can give this to others and masses and masses can get realization. This is the time when many flowers for blossoming are going to become one with their Spirit. This is how all the yogas are. They also have something like Kundalini yoga in India, you don't know. They also have Sahaja Yoga also. They even use My lectures. Ho, that's [?] Ra, uh, Ra... What's his name Za... Za... Zararsu... There's one fellow, he's using My lectures and he calls it Sahaja Yoga. So, what can I do about that? You should judge whether you get your realization or not, whether your realization is working it out or not. You have to see yourself with complete alertness. Thank you. So, I've told about all the yogas but I have in details given lectures in London. You can get the tapes and see for yourself. It's very interesting. You'll laugh a lot. A very good question, I'm very happy. May God bless you! Q.: Inaudible A.: TM? That's the one I was saying. One of them. [?] I'm going to send somebody who was the director of their academy in Scotland. His wife got epilepsy. She was [with him?] for sixteen years and he himself was epileptic who is now a [broke?]. And what a fool he has made of everyone, really! Q.: [translator] He says: "What do you think about Zazen?" A.: Zen? Oh! Great! But you cannot practice without realization. Zen means realization first. The same thing with us, you cannot follow... Zen is Sahaja Yoga. What Zen has taught is Sahaja Yoga. Lao Tse, same thing. It's the same. What Mohammad has taught is the same. What Christ has said is the same. It's the same but still, also, the head of the Zen today in Japan is not a realized soul. They are just organizing buildings, houses, foreign tours, [?], I don't know. I've also given one lecture on Zen, completely. I've been to Japan Myself and I know Zen means Sahaja, absolutely the same. They are all just the same. They were true people but their followers were like that, what to do? The followers made a mess out of them. In Japan I gave realization to somebody who started an organization called Mahikari. They know that, and this, his own daughter starting twisting it. She was not realized. But you'll be amazed and there are thousands and thousands of Mahikari all over the world, maybe in millions. And how many Sahaja yogis there are? Because in Sahaja Yoga you have be, you cannot be member of an organization, just hang something round your neck and say that "I am a Sahaja yogi." You cannot. You have to be. You see, it is easy to make artificial flowers. To make a real flower it takes time. It's just like that. These are all plastic gurus and plastic disciples but poor disciples. They are seekers. Very sad. All right? Q.: [translator] How can we know that there is a realized soul? A.: Once you get your realization yourself, you [start?] the Cool Breeze flowing from your hand. This is described in the Bible and is very well described in a book written by Adi Shankaracharya. Now, when you see a person wants to know whether the other person is realized or not you put your hands towards that person and you start getting the Cool Breeze from him. You can also get Cool Breeze from ether, you can see Cool Breeze. Like, I've not met many people - many gurus, sorry, good people and the other day in Spain one boy came up, just said, "My guru has sent me, Mother, to help You." Uh, I've never met him before. He lives in the Himalayas somewhere. I asked him, "Who is your guru?" He told Me the name. And as soon as I heard the name everybody started getting vibrations, cool vibrations. We had a priest here the other day who wouldn't get his realization because he was not married. Then he wrote a letter to Me with a friend that "I have a guru in Rameshwaram, maybe because of him I'm not getting realization?" I read the name and I said, "He is a realized soul." And he then told Me that "Yes, he has told me that Mother has come. It's You." And he told him about Me, with whom I've never seen before. We just know it. In Rangun one lady, her name is... uh... she's an American lady I think. She went down there and there is a big saint living somewhere who doesn't meet anyone. She came back and she said, "The guru not only called me but he made me sit in his feet, saying that "You have met with Mother. I've not met Her." They know. This lady is in Kuwait, I'll send you the address you can ask her. They know Me and I know them and you will know them too. This is the knowledge of the Self. Only through Self you will know God and you will know God's people. Not through rationality. How will John the Baptist know that Christ is the One because he was a realized soul. It's very simple. Let's have it now. Please put your hands like this straight, just straight like this.

Public Program Day 2. Paris (France), 28 November 1980. ... now in this world in such a big number. What is the reason that such a seeking [is established?]? Suddenly a great number of people are seeking God? They are like I the evolutionary process anywhere. For example a certain number of fishes had to come out of the sea to become the reptile. In the same way in this process when we have to become something superior - super human beings - then certain number of people have to come out of the ignorance that they have. In our evolutionary process what has happened is nothing but that our awareness has been improved - evolved. In the same way the category of people as I've discussed yesterday who are seekers are the ones who are chosen to be the transformed people or the evolved people of the second stage. As I said last time that flowers have to become fruits. It's only flowers who can become fruits the stage is that today that you are flowers and that you can become fruits. The leaves cannot grow like a flower grows. This transformation is the sign of something prophesized long time back. This is the Last Judgment that has started. Our idea about Last Judgment is sometimes very absurd. Actually God has made us in such a way that a time will come when we ourselves judge ourselves. For this purpose He has placed within us a power called Kundalini and a triangular bone called as sacrum. You can see[...] This power rests in our triangular bone in three and a half coils. This power has to rise, awaken to give us our Self-realization as they call it. After this realization only the transformation will start. Without that there cannot be any fundamental transformation in our awareness. Many people think that if they can read about God or if they could talk about God or they do certain techniques they will become one with God. This is a living process and has to happen spontaneously. You cannot force it. You cannot argue it out. You cannot certify. It has to happen within you. This is the Last Judgment because that's the only way you can be judged. God almighty is not going to have a balance or something like that in which He puts you and weigh how much you weigh. We have - you can see here clearly - there are three forces acting within us. The first force is the force of our desire and the second force is of our action. By the first force we have our emotional side and by the another one we have our physical and the mental side. This is the very subtle energy within us which is flowing and is expressing itself - manifesting itself outside in the gross as sympathetic nervous system. Now, the central line that you see there represents whatever awareness we have so far achieved up to the human level. There is still a big gap within us which has to be crossed. This is the gap of our seeking which you can see as the green part here. In this area we seek. We seek through our central - that point there is called as the Nabhi Chakra - is the navel center. For example, as an animal we seek our joy or our happiness in food. Our awareness develops up to the point of food only. Then we seek power as human beings do. They want to become king and become politicians. Then some of them seek money then they seek success but still they are not happy, they are not satisfied. The seeking is still on and beyond this man does not know what he has to seek. For this we have got great incarnations and great prophets who came and told that you have to seek your Self. Now, your Self is within your heart, your Spirit, and how do you enter into it to seek? If I say you pay attention to your Self inside, can you take your attention inside? Your attention is towards Me but you can't put it inside. That is why this happening has to take place. With this happening your attention is subtly attracted inside. Your attention exists in that area and this area has to be somehow penetrated or brought into the realm of Spirit. This Kundalini, when She rises from Her sleep She pushes out your attention just like this [translator later describes: like a cloth], upward. Now, because of this pulling up it also pulls your attention from the left and the right side. When the Kundalini rises She pierces this area of fontanel bone and this area is called as Brahmarandra in Sanskrit means opening into the hole of Brahma, of divine power. The seat of your Spirit is here and when the Kundalini goes and takes your attention to that seat your attention gets enlightened by the Spirit. Spirit is absolute. It enjoys by itself. You cannot feel the enjoyment of the Spirit because you are not one with the Spirit. As soon as this happening takes place you start feeling the emission of the cool breeze in your hand which is your Spirit. This is the divine power flowing through you. This is the spiritual power actually this is what that is flowing through you. If this happening does not take place in you, you cannot be certified as realized souls. When this happening takes place then you start judging yourself. Because as soon as the Kundalini passes through all these great, great chakras, it enlightens all other chakras on your fingertips. You can feel them on your fingertips. For example today while coming in the taxi (we had no car, we got in a taxi) and immediately getting into the taxi I knew that the fellow was possessed. And I started giving him correction on this center which is the left Swadishthan. Comes out of black magic, fake gurus, all kinds of mesmerism, psychology, any unauthorized behavior. If somebody belongs to an organization [not of God, he cannot do that?] You cannot organize God. You cannot regulate Him. You cannot conceptualize Him. He is what He is. You have to just see how He is. We have to humble down before Him to see Him as He is. Not to put our human ideas upon Him. Sometimes people tell Me very childish things and I just laugh at them because they don't know what they are talking about. But this unauthorized behavior can be very serious like they crucified Christ because they were ignorant. They were stupid and foolish. They can be forgiven but not those who have got Realization and still do not try to judge themselves and correct themselves. You have to have realization, no doubt. That is the responsibility of the divine and that is going to happen. But it is your responsibility after realization to be humble and allow yourself to grow in His light. Your can fell your own chakras on your fingers but also the chakras of other people whom you want to give realization. You will realize very soon that only a realized soul can give realization to other people. But I've met some very highly evolved people but they cannot give realization, most surprisingly. Sahaja yogis know because perhaps I know how to tell them. They have no one to tell them so they don't know how to raise Kundalini in a second. That's why they are hiding themselves in the Himalayas and in big mountains where they don't want to face human beings because they know they are of a different awareness. They know about the centers and [many things?] but the Kundalini doesn't move under their hands so fast. They think they are incapable of handling human beings. And also I was surprised that human beings have been torturing them - most of them whom I've met. Human beings are really very ego-oriented. They do not know how to judge people. The saints are crucified by them but the people who are scoundrels are garlanded. They have been very, very unkind to saints even today, but if they get some guru who can hypnotize them they go all mad after him. Sometimes I wonder if human beings want to be free at all. If freedom is given to them to achieve their own goals, they just don't know how to do it. Though you are the category of, no doubt, of that promised personalities called as God's men, the slavery, the sluggishness within us has to be given up. We have to be a very great personality. If you are misidentified with nonsensical ideas like [...?] and all these destroying taboos and barriers of life you are sure to loose the ground. You have to know that it has been created within you the possibility of getting your Self-realization. Your Self is anxious to manifest itself in your awareness and it will happen to all of you if you just ask for it. But even that much you people sometimes hesitate. It has to be done in complete freedom. There is no compulsion about it because it is complete liberation I'm talking about. Those who are not free cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. You cannot be forced into it like a pistol you take and push them in you cannot do that. It is necessary that one should understand that this is the most important time of your life. For example, in the villages of India Sahaja Yoga is working very fast. They are not complicated people and they have very simple habits. They have not gone too much on the left or on the right. They are in the center. Of course, in the Indian cities it doesn't work out because city people are getting sophisticated. It means really spoiled. But in the villages it is growing very fast. But in the western countries only the thugs and the scoundrels are working very well. Only those who can cheat you nicely you run after them. Those who can outwit in your intelligence and your ego such people are [big ..?]. For example there's a group of people in England who are already hundred thousands in number and now it has been declared as a malignant cult. In England we have another group of people who are about ninety thousands they have now become reclusive and are in a very bad shape of epilepsy but still they can't give up. They have become extremely poor. They're on the streets, their children are starving. Still they cannot give up. These are the effects of mesmerism. That means human beings are more adepts to hypnosis than liberty. On the left and the right hand side as you see here there are two areas within us. The left side is our collective subconscious beyond [?] and the right side is the collective supra conscious. Now, it has been established by doctors in England that cancer is caused by some sort of proteins entering into our beings from some unknown area - unknown, they are very honest. There are, because they may call them as protein 52 or protein 58 or something like that, they have given a name to it. And they also admit that these areas are built within us from the time we were created, created from the time creation was created. So, these two areas exist within us but they do not know what these areas are. When you go to the left or the right, means if you move with these gurus to the left and the right, their hypnosis and their methods of enchanting you, you enter into these dangerous areas and you are attacked by all kinds of proteins which have gone out of circulation of the evolution since creation. Virus infection is caused by vegetables which have gone out of circulation. Fermentation of anything, even of cheese or of the fermented alcohol and all those things are again taking you the left side. We are not aware of the problems one can face with these indulgences we have. That is why all the great prophets have prohibited us to have anything that will go against our awareness. And that is why those people who are real gurus if these days existing cannot work on you. Because if they tell you, "You cannot drink; you cannot smoke," you will run away. If they say that you have to obey the Ten Commandments t, you'll say it's very old fashion and you'll denounce it. But if there's a guru who will say, "Doesn't matter, you can have ten keeps and you can cheat hundred people, you can do smuggling, you can do what you like. Only thing you give me the money then I'll be your guru." Then it's very good for you. It's a convenient one. You like to have convenience in spirituality also. It is the greatest convenience otherwise; it is the greatest convenience to be religious, to be virtuous. A person who is virtuous has never problems with the police, with his own wife or children. Any virtuous society would be the most [? Translator : heureuse] No deception, no hiding is needed. But human beings found it impossible to be that. So, we have to have something which will give you realization first and then you judge yourself. Now Marie who is talking to you today, you won't believe, you must see her photograph, she came to me she was half in coma and half aware. She could not even talk to Me and today you see her that she's translating Sahaja Yoga. She gave up her drugs as soon as she got her realization, as soon as. The impact was so great because she is one of the great seekers, I would say. Her friend did not come to Me so readily till he got liver cirrhoses and doctors refused to treat him because he was such a [?] and they were expecting him to die within days - a month time. Then he came to Me. He lived in My house. My husband had gone out. When he came back he was shocked. He said, "What are you doing? If this person dies we'll be charged of murder." But the gentleman requested My husband that "I will give you in writing that nothing is going to happen to me. If something happens you are not responsible." And within eight days he got completely cured. He looked very handsome after that. He went to India and people from India told Me that he was looking like one of our very handsome actor. Then he went to Australia. No, the thing is, what happens to you is you have not yet found meaning. You don't know why you are there and you are really fed up with yourself. I mean you are absolutely bored by yourself. Supposing you go to jail, I mean somebody sends Me to jail, I'll be the happiest person. Because I can enjoy My Spirit there better. I don't have to [?] with hypnotized, possessed people. But for humans beings being alone is punishment because they cannot enjoy themselves not do they enjoy others. They say they love, they marry and next day they go for a divorce. In Moscow there is a big [?] a big, you can say a square through which every bride and bridegroom - would be - has to walk. And I asked, "Why this parade?" for these poor things have to walk. They dress up of course with all the formalities and with all the [?] and everything and, "Why this parade for them to go?" Two hundred people, sometimes it rains, sometimes there's mud. They told Me lest they decide to divorce they will have some chance. Really we don't know how to love because we cannot feel another person. After realization you'll see the beauty of the person. You see how a person can get his realization and how he can be beautiful. I see that beauty in you. You do not see your beauty and that's why I have patience. But you have to have patience. If do not have patience with yourself what's the use of My having patience? Apart from that you have to have humble attitude, because if you expect Me to pamper your ego you are sadly mistaken. I'm here to love and give you your realization. I'm not selling anything to pamper you nor am I here to degrade you. Because in My eyes you are that category which is supreme but you do not have self esteem. If you had then you would have known why I have patience with you. You can be very beautiful people with this, you can then really start feeling others and you can give realization. All this sounds fantastic because whatever is divine is fantastic. You have not yet known that. Even for a villager a television is a fantastic thing so for you also the divine power has to be very fantastic. But it's not so surprising. This light first looks just like little wax pillar or a poor little stuff but when you enlighten it, it is giving light. If you use it for your realization, you can work out this fire. You will see that sometimes this light can become so strong like that. Sometimes they tremble for no reason at all. And sometimes they can give such smoke that the whole room can be filled with smoke. In the same way you can enlighten the water. This I'm going to tell you later on, all about it. First of all you get your enlightenment then whatever you touch becomes enlightened because your heart has been enlightened. This is your own, this is your own power built in within you, potential within you. Now for this subject as I've told you tomorrow I'm going to tell you more about after realization what is to be done, but for today I think that should do and you can also read through the all the[?] for yourself what I've said. Not a word is false in there. You can yourself verify it. Through your own enlightenment you can enlighten another people, but apart from that you can cure them mentally, physically, emotionally. You can give them realization means you can make them prophets as you are but you have to have assiduity for that and I'm sure it will work out very well. As I told you yesterday that a farmer in Maharashtra in India has given realization to ten thousand people. [...]But now I have many of them who have got realization European disciples. At last thousand are there who are really, really good all over England, so let us see what we do in Paris. May God bless you! Also you can get tapes from England I've got three hundred or four. I don't know how many lectures which are in English but they can be all translated and you can hear about all the aspects of life. There are any questions? Q.: [translator] He says: "What is the correct attitude to meditate?" A.: Have you got your realization, my child? Not yet. Now, attitude should be cheerful, very cheerful. You are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. You are going to fulfill your seeking of the ages, of expectation and no [?] about it. Sit very freely and know that you are just facing your Mother. Feel relaxed and secured and it will work out.Q.: [translator] She wants to know because she says Kundalini is an energy which [shows effect?] in the spinal chord and... A.: Is the triangular bone, at the triangular bone which is called as sacrum. There's a triangle. Now sacrum word means [?] it is sacred. Q.: [translator] She says while meditating it feels a vibration in the body under the navel and she wants to know what it is... A.: What meditation she has done? Q.: [translator] She says some sort of meditation which doesn't have a name... A.: You cannot meditate; you have to be in meditation. It happens to you that you become. It's a question of becoming. If you try anything else then you are actually using your sympathetic activity. Q.: [translator] She says she doesn't do anything, she wants to know where it is... A.: The Kundalini is there at the triangular bone as I told you, on the triangular bone, but you see people try to do something about it. For example some people concentrate here is absolutely wrong because this is not the way the Kundalini is going to come out, is going to come out here. You should not concentrate or do anything - just keep quiet, that's all. You should be in the center. It is like just sprouting a seed. You can't put in any effort. You cannot pull out the [?] from the seed [...] But it sprouts like that, it's spontaneous, effortless. Only the one who knows can do it. Once you are realized you can do it yourself. All right? Absolutely spontaneous. Q.: [translator]It doesn't answers what she's asking [...] She says she feels a pulsation under the navel... A.: That's not good. That's not good. [..]But that can be cured, that can be corrected. You don't have to worry about it. Everything is to be corrected. That's the job I have to do, then you have to do. Q.: [translator] He says, "What about vibrations in the whole body?" A.: Vibrations are not the thing. You have to feel Cool Breeze in your hands. Cool Breeze. You see vibrations can be wrong. Only you should feel a Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost. Just Cool Breeze, not vibrations. You see, when the car goes out it vibrates, tuk, tuk, tuk, or if there is any heat or anything it comes out of the - uh... you can see that if there is no water you can see lot of smoke coming out and heat coming out. But these vibrations are also misleading to understand that it's not [?] you shake. You should not shake at all. On the contrary, Cool Breeze flows within from Me, if you take it, or from any realized souls or you emit Cool Breeze. You see, that is the best car or the aeroplane which does not vibrate at all. Q.: " I have something to ask you currently, a question. What is the difference between Kundalini yoga and other kinds of yoga? The reason I ask is [?]other types of yoga are concerned with raising Kundalini with different methods, I don't understand.A.: Now, I'll tell you that. Please be seated. See it was in the ancient times in India we had a system called as Chatur Varna. There were four periods of life. The small children after five years of age were sent to these schools called as universities that you call them were gurukulas, called as gurukula and then these gurus were all realized souls, specially the head guru by which the university was named. And the universities were called as gotras. Till the age of twenty five years for boys and twenty years [for girls...?] they used to lead an absolutely celibate like, absolutely, absolutely, in the past. And it was so much that anybody belonged to the same gotra - for example My gotra is Chandilya - now, I can't marry a man who comes from the same gotra. Even today, like brothers and sisters. Now these students were trained by those gurus and they were chosen - some of the chosen students whom they wanted to give realization were taken up and were given realization. Now Patanjali has written Ashtanga, eight yoga [sama [?]at the same time, eight aspects. The first aspect is Ishwara Pranidhan meaning realization - Ishwara means God; Pranidhan means... Pranidhan is established. To establish God within you is realization. After that, they had to go into the training of Yama-Niyama means rules and regulations of how to lead a righteous life and also they were given physical exercises according to the need of the centers [properly?] We are doing the same in Sahaja Yoga. Then all the mantras, the whole science of mantras is taught to Sahaja yogis. But now, what has happened is some of the people who tried to go to some gurus in Himalayas, specially Shivananda, and when the gurus found them unsuitable they came out from there, in recent times, I'd say. And when they had just learned some few uh... few exercises, they started teaching the people. And those who know these exercises we have found in Sahaja Yoga mostly catch on the heart center [?] because the attention has to be on the Spirit but the attention comes to the physical side. So the Spirit is angry with such people who are so much worried about their physical body. Modern time is such an enslavement, you can't imagine. They have got even measurement for the body that you should have so much inches and so much inches and so many inches. If they are left to themselves they will even have measurements for noses and eyes I tell you. Everybody's competing in that kind of a nonsense. They all want to become cinema actors I don't know what sort. Whatever it is I don't understand is how they get into any competition you put it to. Even if you tell them that "Yyou have to rub your noses and let's see how many times you rub your noses on the wall," they will go into any competition. What is there to compete? You are all individuals beautifully created so different. You have to be different otherwise you will be so boring. In this universe not even one leaf is like the other leaf. If they do their measurements match? But here the human beings like mad they're having a kind of an idea of measurement. And then what you get? The human beings or they are like pantomimes? So that is how Hatha Yoga is nothing but standing on your head. We also may use that exercise for certain people, never for French or English. It is meant for people who are mentally deficient not for people who have thoughts who grow like horns. Already you don't know how to stop your thinking. So, like a complete medicine box people take the Hatha Yoga into their body.Sahaja Yoga is a systematic training of understanding, logical understanding. You have to know about Mantras, you have to know about physical exercises, you have to know about everything. You must know about emotional side also. Main thing is that you have to become integrated. Sahaja Yoga synthesizes, does not analyze. It synthesizes all the yogas. For example Raja yoga. Now in Raja yoga actually the thing is when the Kundalini rises all these things happen inside automatically. For example the bandhas you see that take place. Bandhas means closing down. When the Kundalini rises above the stomach then the bandhas take place, doesn't allow it to come down. Then your tongue is little bit pulled inside. Then your eyes are dilated; then your fontanel bone area becomes soft. Now, what the people do is like this: Kundalini is not rising. They pull their stomach inside. They'll cut their tongue here, put it back. That's how they believe that their Kundalini has risen because can put the tongue back. Some of them might ask you to make this soft by beating here [Brahmarandra according to translator.] These are all artificial yoga. The real is the Kundalini Yoga where you become one with the Spirit, you know that you are becoming close to you. It is like this: There was a man who went to the King and told "I can make a huge, big palace for you. Give me lots of money." He's name was [?] After six month the King sent [?] He said, "No, yet not ready." Like this for about three years he was saying, "It's not ready." So King went down there. And he asked, "Where is the palace?" There was nothing it was just the ground. So he started telling him a story, "See, such a big - can't you see a big, huge door here? And now you walk into the palace, and this is the palace..." and he gave a big description. "And see the big darbar of people sitting down, all the court [?]"And here is your throne where you are going to sit." And the King rubbed his eyes; he could not see anything. He wondered, "What's the matter with my brain, something wrong?" The brain was sick. And the King said, "Oh! I can see it's done." So the fellow was very happy, he has befooled. So, very quietly the King says, "Now, I want to bestow the greatest honor upon you. Please come and sit on the throne." And he made him sit like this. In the pose as if he's sitting. And, can you believe, he could only sit like that for two minutes and he got tired. So he stood up. He said: "No, be comfortable, I want you to sit like this for at least an hour." That's how it [takes place?] All these artificialities and falsehood will be seen very soon by all of you. Yoga means union with God, which is spontaneous. That's why it is called Sahaja - means born with you. But now we call it Mahayoga because not only that you become one with God, but you can give this to others and masses and masses can get realization. This is the time when many flowers for blossoming are going to become one with their Spirit. This is how all the yogas are. They also have something like Kundalini yoga in India, you don't know. They also have Sahaja Yoga also. They even use My lectures. Ho, that's [?] Ra, uh, Ra... What's his name Za... Za... Zararsu... There's one fellow, he's using My lectures and he calls it Sahaja Yoga. So, what can I do about that? You should judge whether you get your realization or not, whether your realization is working it out or not. You have to see yourself with complete alertness. Thank you. So, I've told about all the yogas but I have in details given lectures in London. You can get the tapes and see for yourself. It's very interesting. You'll laugh a lot. A very good question, I'm very happy. May God bless you! Q.: Inaudible A.: TM? That's the one I was saying. One of them. [?] I'm going to send somebody who was the director of their academy in Scotland. His wife got epilepsy. She was [with him?] for sixteen years and he himself was epileptic who is now a [broke?]. And what a fool he has made of everyone, really! Q.: [translator] He says: "What do you think about Zazen?" A.: Zen? Oh! Great! But you cannot practice without realization. Zen means realization first. The same thing with us, you cannot follow... Zen is Sahaja Yoga. What Zen has taught is Sahaja Yoga. Lao Tse, same thing. It's the same. What Mohammad has taught is the same. What Christ has said is the same. It's the same but still, also, the head of the Zen today in Japan is not a realized soul. They are just organizing buildings, houses, foreign tours, [?], I don't know. I've also given one lecture on Zen, completely. I've been to Japan Myself and I know Zen means Sahaja, absolutely the same. They are all just the same. They were true people but their followers were like that, what to do? The followers made a mess out of them. In Japan I gave realization to somebody who started an organization called Mahikari. They know that, and this, his own daughter starting twisting it. She was not realized. But you'll be amazed and there are thousands and thousands of Mahikari all over the world, maybe in millions. And how many Sahaja yogis there are? Because in Sahaja Yoga you have be, you cannot be member of an organization, just hang something round your neck and say that "I am a Sahaja yogi." You cannot. You have to be. You see, it is easy to make artificial flowers. To make a real flower it takes time. It's just like that. These are all plastic gurus and plastic disciples but poor disciples. They are seekers. Very sad. All right? Q.: [translator] How can we know that there is a realized soul? A.: Once you get your realization yourself, you [start?] the Cool Breeze flowing from your hand. This is described in the Bible and is very well described in a book written by Adi Shankaracharya. Now, when you see a person wants to know whether the other person is realized or not you put your hands towards that person and you start getting the Cool Breeze from him. You can also get Cool Breeze from ether, you can see Cool Breeze. Like, I've not met many people - many gurus, sorry, good people and the other day in Spain one boy came up, just said, "My guru has sent me, Mother, to help You." Uh, I've never met him before. He lives in the Himalayas somewhere. I asked him, "Who is your guru?" He told Me the name. And as soon as I heard the name everybody started getting vibrations, cool vibrations. We had a priest here the other day who wouldn't get his realization because he was not married. Then he wrote a letter to Me with a friend that "I have a guru in Rameshwaram, maybe because of him I'm not getting realization?" I read the name and I said, "He is a realized soul." And he then told Me that "Yes, he has told me that Mother has come. It's You." And he told him about Me, with whom I've never seen before. We just know it. In Rangun one lady, her name is... uh... she's an American lady I think. She went down there and there is a big saint living somewhere who doesn't meet anyone. She came back and she said, "The guru not only called me but he made me sit in his feet, saying that "You have met with Mother. I've not met Her." They know. This lady is in Kuwait, I'll send you the address you can ask her. They know Me and I know them and you will know them too. This is the knowledge of the Self. Only through Self you will know God and you will know God's people. Not through rationality. How will John the Baptist know that Christ is the One because he was a realized soul. It's very simple. Let's have it now. Please put your hands like this straight, just straight like this.

11/29/1980

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The Creation of the World

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Public Program Day 3, The Creation of the World Subject: This is, Human evolution and what is the situation today? The subject itself says that it is the evolution of man from amoeba to this stage of creation in one part and the second is what is going to happen to be him after. So what has happened from creation we shall hear today and what is going to happen after today. The part of it which I am going to tell you today maybe is not yet known to many people.The part of it which I am going to tell you later on is known to our science.But is not yet being felt at the subtler level what it has done to us. So the attitude should be about this is when I’m talking about something which is not yet known about creation and then about the future of your being, attitude should be of more listening to me. The attitude should be to see for yourself, like in science we have a very open mind. Whatever hypothesis is put before you, you should get it and see if it works your laws and then it is called as a law, then it is confirmed with experimentation. The subject is here [UNCLEAR] us of …. have such a very short time so I have to be very fast in it today, and the subject is also very serious.So to make yourself little bit lighter I would say that if the taxi is late I have to be very fast. a [UNCLEAR].... is choking\-Who?\-He [UNCLEAR] First I will tell you in short how the creation came into being. First it is the Divine. Say this [UNCLEAR Divine plays]. First it exists just as Brahma in a static state, and then the Brahma which contains God’s attention becomes separated or becomes, forms, a nucleus. This is the static state, forms a nucleus, the whole thing goes into that state. Now, this one (nucleus) does separates, emits around it, this is what is the regularization starts. A circle, it forms, of its energy. This is the power of God, which forms a circle, because now it starts, the formation stage starts like this. Now, from then all this forms a nucleus, somewhere here and all this flows into this nucleus.So we get God almighty and His power. There’s no difference between the two. They are just one. This is the One who is the Spectator, and this is the One who plays. This is the God called Sadashiva in Sanskrit language and this is ‘the Shakti called as Adi Shakti’, the Primordial power. Now this Primordial power creates everything for the amusement of this Spectator Sadashiva. Now this creation takes place by many methods but one of them to begin with it has to have time and it has to have space. By delimiting the abstract that the creation starts. Now when this one comes up first thing She does, this power, is to go round in an ellipse. This is as if She garlands. It is a very sweet relationship. And She doesn't want to leave Her master or She doesn't want leave Her husband we can say. I mean that's how human beings understand, so I'm saying husband. This stage is the zygote state as you can call it or we call it the Pradakshina. Now this is the time what we call the second stage is lasya, in which this is, now this wants to go, doesn't want to go, for example, it doesn’t want to create, it wants to be born. So it moves forward by which this move becomes like that, you see, but He gives a push to Her promising that You go ahead and I will be always with You, sort of. It is very poetic. By this push, you see, this goes back, and it forms like that. That's how OM comes in. The first sound is here created when it breaks bondhere. This is the first sound. Is sound without any percussion. And this is the sound is called as the Anahata or the OM. Now the second part of creation starts where She returns back from Her creation. One creation She does again comes back then She returns back, comes back again. She creates again and comes back again. And that's how She returns back again and again there have been many creations, but in one creation there are fourteen Bhuvanas, means there are fourteen layers She creates. For example to create this universe what She did was to come down here and go round here and end around [UNCLEAR turn it all] here. So that all this became very limited and became very compressed. Because of compression there was a Big Bang. This I have said about 1970, when had gone to Iran. And later on I read it in the papers people are talking about Big Bang. That's how these fragments are created. These fragments then because of the momentum of this movement of this one go into round round thing, you see momentum, this is Sanskrit word, it is English of momentum, then there are fourteen are caused like this, and then they go into another sort of a bang and then Suryamandal is caused. Suryamandal is the Sun, the solar plexus. Now, in the solar plexus now what do they do is to...this is The Surya this is the Sun and this is the Moon. For example, now part of it breaks out, the gases and all that they come out and they form. First earth is brought very close, close to the Moon with this kind of a ring which you find on Saturn, sort of a ring, it’s like an yoyo, you see. Now, what happens at this can be moved up and down up to a point, so the whole earth is frozen first. Then it is brought to a point where it starts melting and then it is adjusted in such a way that after melting it fully then they want to adjust it in such a way that it can have life. All this movement is spiral of the Earth is a spiral movement. This also recently somebody said it of course I have written about it long time back, said about it. With the movement of the Earth like that they really the evolution is generated. How you move towards the Sun and the Moon is adjusted in the centre. So the Sun and the Moon, the Moon gives you the power to desire and the Sun gives you a power to act. Thus two powers are created out of one power of Shakti. And between the two on the Earth a third power is created which gives you evolution. These two powers can be described as a cross. Not the Christ's cross, but another one, actually it is shown like a ‘Swastika’. When these two powers move like this: this is the first power and this is the second power. When these two powers move like this in clockwise manner then the creation takes place. When they move anti-clockwise then the destruction takes place. Now the evolution is here in the centre. It starts from here. Out of these two powers, first the carbon is produced. This gives oxygen, this gives hydrogen. This, the third one, when it comes in the carbon, established, when it is fully balanced, established, then life takes place. So you get the third power by which life starts growing. So the life starts coming up to a point. At this point leaves a gap, now human evolution has started from here, up to here. And this is the Grace of God, now there is a gap here. And this gap is to be filled. For to keep this gap all right, not to create any problem, many prophets are born on this Earth. So you have to keep your attention in the centre. Those who go the left or right go out of the circulation of evolution, like the mammoth and all this big animals who were very very fat and without any intelligence went out of circulation. Then there were very cunning animals who came up and the cunning animals also started going too far, extremes, this side, the movement on the right. They also went down.Then there were many emotional people. They came up here, they also went down, then the spiritual people came here. And that is how we have the fourth being within us. The physical being here at this point actually comes,the mental people, then the emotional, and then the spiritual. That is how our evolution has worked in four periods. And it has left its mark within us and it has left its conditioning within us. So from the very beginning, from when you were just a matter, this is matter, and then you became carbon, till you became animals and then you became emotional beings and then you became spiritual beings, all these are within us. Thus we have within us basically seven levels plus we have two more centres, which are called as Sun centre and Moon centre. The first centre which is we should say our carbon state, lies below the Kundalini. It is made of the Mother Earth element. It is innocent. That means it is innocence within us which is established first of all. Before making anything of this world of creation, we should say, before creating this Mother Earth even, this Deity of innocence was created. And this innocence is within us, which resides in that centre called as Mooladhara chakra. This is a very important centre, because this centre is the one which informs the Kundalini. This is the innocence of child and the mother is the Kundalini. All of you have your individual Kundalini here, your individual mother. And she is there to give you your Realization. She is connected with your subconscious area. And whatever you have done in your past, in your past lives, in ages She has all recorded by her. But the one who records, I mean who informs, who is the informer is sitting in that centre, which is the Mooladhara chakra. This is the only centre which is outside the spinal cord that is why it is very sensitive. But it is innocence, this centre gives rise to the pelvic plexus, which is responsible for sex, for all excretions. Now, this is a very important centre which we really do not know how we try to tamper. The deity is known as Shri Ganesh, who incarnates later on as Jesus Christ, at this point. This deity was created in the beginning and is a giver of wisdom. He removes all the hurdles and gives a spin.Now this centre is the holiest of holy because the holiest and holy is a deity. But we really do not know what is the protocol of this centre. The all excretions are private affairs of an individual even the sex. It should not be exposed and talked about and discussed. If you do that and think about it, this moves upward in the awareness in our brain. And you think about sex by which you become impotent. It is a spontaneous behaviour. Either you become absolutely impotent, in a very early age, or you get possessed by people who are very lusty. And you become addicted. To keep ourselves in the centre all the time, the institution of marriage came into being through the training of your unconscious. And the conscious has given us the idea of marriage. All the incarnations have been married except for Christ who was innocent, but you are not Christ. So you don’t take this pattern. He is Spirit and He cannot be married. He is married to two women, they say, is one who is satisfaction and the second is the mastery, Siddhi. See, the Siddhi will be doing two things than in one itself. So He is not married, but all the other incarnations are married. He being the Spirit, He is the only one who was resurrected to prove what Shri Krishna has said at Vishuddhi Chakra. And Vishuddhi is here, to prove what Krishna has said that it cannot be killed by anyone. This was announced so many years back. But you sometimes think that Christ is in your pocket. You think you can build up anything in His name, and do whatever you like.First you get Him awakened within you. First you know where He resides within you and then you will know what He wants. Now the first chakra I told you in short that a person who has to cleanse this sath chakra has to know that it comes from the Mother Earth. In the book "Advent" Gregoire has written in detail as to, how you have to outer balance the defects of this chakra. On one side it causes the problems of the prostate gland that comes mostly with [UNCLEAR laxation?? 31:30] also it causes the problems of all improved bad diseases. On the other side when a person does not have interest in sex or things like that or if he is very hard-working or sometimes also overindulgence in sex, both waysit can cause. All these things also causes constipation and all the troubles of the alimentary canal at the other extreme. Now people have been, I must say, people like experts, are really half baked, are very dangerous people. Only you could see it because He was a Realized soul, He got his Realization. But his disciples I have seen in India are mostly Jews. And they don't want to accept Christ as an Incarnation. Whether see, they accept it or not, He is. This is how the effort of Juwa also have failed because He could not give Realization to anyone. Now the second centre that is here is, though it is looked, the third one, it is the naval centre. Through this centre we have our seeking. Our seeking goes so far as towards our spiritual seeking. And today in the taxi I was laughing aloud, because they told me that somebody is an intellectual and he has read too much and he is conditioned. After all what can the seekers do but to read? But they read tons and tons and tons of books. And their whole tonnage is on their head like a ship carrying the heavy load, any time to be toppled down. And I, when I have read Kabir sometimes, long time back when I was very young when I was a child I should say, I read Kabir who is very straightforward and very furious, tremendous fellow. But I could not understand one of his things he said that “Padi Padi pandita moorakha bhai”, that means by reading too much even the wise has become stupid. Moorakha means actually idiot, they’ve become idiots. Then I realized that when my husband started doing some shippage that if the ship is loaded too much it can topple down. The human brain should be able to bear it and some matter could be exclusive to your being. You have to verify everything that you do before loading the ship. And that's why when you lose your wisdom you don't know you’re going to take to every self-destructive. This is the state of our seeking, that we seek in books, and believe all kinds of idiots who’ve written idiotic books. We have no way of verifying. This happens, very often I’ve seen in the west, specially where people are really overread. It is difficult to decondition them. Mr. Freud took a lead from them. He was really satanic in some way, because, he says that if you follow the Ten Commandments, it said ‘do not do this, do not do that’, then you get conditioning. Because for you to keep in the centre you have to be told ‘not to do this’, otherwise you go on the left or the right. But according to Mr. Freud the Great, all of this is wrong. But he should have said, if he was honest, that don't read any books of Mr. Freud. He has conditioned you the most. All western countries are conditioned by Mr. Freud who was a Satan of the worst type. There are many who might say, that "Oh! Nothing has happened to us, we are all right". But after getting Realization and enlightenment you can see in that light how horrible you are. He has uprooted human beings from their own, fully from their own sustenance, from their own source of wisdom. This is the seat of wisdom. Children are very wise, you know that. They come out with very wise statements because they have not lost their innocence. I will give you an example of my own grandchildren. The elder daughter has two daughters and the younger one is only three years, when she was three years they went to the school and the elder one was about seven years. She brought a paper from the school and told me "What is written in this paper? Just see." And the paper was addressed to the parents, and it said that there is a program in which if you come you get your transformation. You have to only pay hundred rupees for that program. Both of them are born realized. The elder one says that "This is a course for transformation, is it?" She says that "Without Kundalini awakening how can you have transformation, Grandma?" But the little three year old says: "My father has done fourteen courses, his Kundalini is not awakened? So how can you have course in Kundalini awakening and how can you transform without awakening. The elder one says "You may give thousands of rupees to the Kundalini, it won't rise". I was amazed at their wisdom, to grown up people it is very difficult to convince them, but children see the point immediately. They have innate wisdom. The difference is when you get Realization, when you are grown up then you can communicate better. Talk about Sahaja Yoga, write about Sahaja Yoga. But they, you don't have to tell them anything. They are so beautiful. That's why Christ has said you have to be like children if you have to enter into the kingdom of God. Now, it's so spontaneous a child has come today to grace this occasion. Now the seeking that we have has to be with the wisdom. We cannot seek wisdom in Freud. He himself died of a horrible catch. He had funny relation with his mother. That's what are we going to do? There are gurus who are teaching you horrible things that "Can you have sex with your mother Kundalini? This is the greatest sin. In London, they were publishing a picture saying that Christ had bad relationship with his mother. And they protested so much that the Queen had to say no, it cannot be produced in London. And maybe in America they might be allowed under the name of freedom. And I can tell you if it comes to Paris half of the Paris will be booking itself for three years. Because we are reduced to nothing but sex point. We have no human existence. We eat sex, we think sex, we see sex. It’s horrible. To me, it’s nauseating. I will tell you again and again in this place called Paris where I came first time, I stayed in a very big hotel ‘Sheraton’ I think, yes with my husband. And we were VIPs. VIPs are big people so they gave us a special seat. And they gave me the seat facing a very famous painting. And when I sat down and looked up. I was shocked. A dirty woman sitting with her dirty nudity completely on a chair! And everything in detail, “eww!”. Horrible. He said, "I am going to the bathroom". He vomited. He came back, "O God I can't eat anything anymore". And the VIPs was left without eating anything. And I also vomited a lot. That was the first day we had dinner in Paris. This kind of wisdom is lost, which every Indian has so far, thank God. They get westernized, but they know it is wrong. But you are so conditioned that you do not know it is wrong. And in it is filled. I should not say this but you are in the country where people like, ‘what’s his name whom I really was worshiping in this country? Émile Zola’. He was a realized soul. How he brought out all this nonsense out and how he really protested against this? And here you are, I don't know how you are playing to the hands of this mad man Mr. Freud who had bad relation with his mother. You must respect your privacy. How can you allow anybody to disturb that? This is your own pride. Now I need not tell too much on that point, but now I will go to the seeking. Because why I said, because now the seeking has gone into sex.Now see how Kundalini is placed above that. Only the six centres are penetrated. Shat chakra.... as they call it, not the seven, so what you are doing is to go down at the very beginning of your evolution. Like I have seen people have very nice films made showing how you have to learn from animal behaviour or from fishes, fishes! Are you going to become now fishes? You have to become super human beings, ‘master of yourself’, Master of yourself, not slave of anything. This is enslavement. Now in the third centre which we call as Swadishthana is the centre which in a way acts in for your thinking. As well as for other organs like liver and spleen, pancreas, kidney and etc. Now this poor thing has so many things to be done but it has to also convert the cells of the stomach fat into proper cells for the grey matter and the white matter of the brain. Now when you start thinking too much then it has got one work is to replace the cells used by your brain. Now when he has to do this job: one thing only that to look after the replacement of the cells, what can he do? Poor thing, it is thinking, thinking, thinking. It has no time to look after the other organs. So the liver goes out of order. People get diabetes. Because of pancreas they get spleen problem they become speedy because the spleen is the speedometer. Because people just don't bother about the spleen. When you have taken your food you just want to jump out. When you are taking your food you want to listen to a horrible radio news that some catastrophe has taken place. The spleen becomes crazy. You become speedy and anxious, as if it is like going to take a train about three hours before it arrived. You live in the future all the time. ‘Watch’ is another curse. You always want to plan everything ahead and this planning is very dangerous and not practical. For example now we had to come from our house to this place. Supposing we had planned our car to move out in one direction, do you think we would have reached here? As it is the taxi man lost the way. That's why all your plans fail. Like in India they are five year plans for three times and I went to one mystic place and saw lots of these tractors like just rusting in the yard. There’s a yard. They said, according to the plan we imported these tractors but there are no roads for us to take these tractors to the village. And so they are becoming a junk there. It should be done spontaneously. For example if I have to go to London and I have to book a seat I have to book it today, there is no plan. But if I sit down: I have to do it, I have to go, I have to go, I pester myself morning till evening, I have to go on this date and I have to book, I have to book, I may not book at all. And some people have a habit of writing it down in the diary. Once they write it down, it's done according to them. Moreover is the brain, works too much, hands do not work, there is imbalance, there is no integration. That's why for you hand-made things are so precious, because only your brain works, the hands do not. You have lost the depthness, the whole energy is gone into the brain only and the third dangerous thing is by this imbalance by right hand side, as you call it the right hand side working of the brain and the action accordingly, what happens is that your heart is enveloped in ego. You like only those things which pamper your ego. Now supposing I tell somebody "Don't go to [gramping] [UNCLEAR]. He says to me, "What's wrong? I like it". But which part of "I" likes it? Of course not your Spirit, is your ego. Is all your ego trips, see for yourself? They know, they know it, ego trips [ha you know that Yuva Shakti...]. And the whole society you see, builds up your ego. They will say you, smoke this cigar and you will look like somebody great, get cancer. Also such absurd advertisements coming and it is "Oh! It is great to be like that". But this ego-oriented personality gets into a freezing attack. They do not talk like human beings but like some "Frankenstein" style. Like this, "Yes...so what? What do you mean?" To their wives they will talk, imagine. Is this the way to talk to your wife, sweet little thing, or to your child? There are no emotions which are flowing out of the heart. The heart is so closed. Reactions to this came into this world when people started anti-culture movements. They got so frightened of their ego there, they said escape this ego, they couldn't bear it anymore. They couldn't bear themselves, because so dominating, that they felt hurt. So they said "Let us get out", so they took to drugs and things like that. Even alcohol is because of that, you see. Take to alcohol, for the same reason. And as a reaction they took these drugs. And they entered into the area called as superego. This is the area which one gets after getting conditioned. So, from egoist they became super egoist. Super egoists are the people who are dominated by other people, other spirits who are very sly. Such people are very sly and could be very sexy and all sort of which goes intheleft side. Because they said this is love. They confused sex will love. It's only with your wife that you can have sex in morality. Otherwise why do you feel jealous? Why do you get diseases? Why you don't want your wivesor your husbands to have relations with others. Or if that relationship is so holy and good why do you hide it? And why do you tell lies? It's all adharmic, it’s all irreligious. Now this heart business is there in another chakra, you can see there. This chakra, it has got two parts in it. One is the mother, another is the father. Shri Mataji: Why is he crying? Sahaja Yogi:Just find out. Shri Mataji: A? I hope nobody is speaking. Sahaja Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: He must be wanting to, come here. Now, why do you force him? Let him be here. He is all right. Now this chakra is of the Mother universe, lives there. Mother of universe. As a child till the age of twelve years the antibodies are built within you at the sternum level. These antibodies are responsible for protecting us later on in life. And that's how as if She builds her soldiers for us. I don't know if you do it here or not, but in India as soon as a child is born, the first thing they give to the child is honey. Honey nourishes antibodies within us. Pure honey, not this artificial. And these antibodies are responsible for looking after us when there is any invasion. On the both side is the father's and mother's chakras. The father’s is on the right and the left is mother's. When the right chakra is caught up which has Shri Rama's incarnation adorning it, then you get diseases like asthma, and on the left hand side the mother's thing is caught up, then you get diseases like breast cancer. The right side is the father's. Is the father is the complete image of a good father, is Shri Rama. Now if you have any bad relations with your children also you catch on this chakra. Or with your father. If your father has died early, also you can. Very recently in England they found out a little remedy for anorexia where women just give up eating. If the father of the girl has died and the service was not attended by her or there was no service for her, they arrange another service of a thanksgiving for the father. And they have found that the girls get all right, because these are spirits of the father or of the husband can possess such people who have not been able to see them at the last moment even grandfather, grandmother, very much, very much, it's true and apart from that if your any relation like that has died and you are too much fond of it and you sometimes try this [UNCLEAR plaintiff] things, then it's horrible. So, one has to know how to deal with the dead, once they are dead you should tell them “We are all right, don't worry about us, you take your birth again and you take your Realization. We are very happy and you also be happy. We have no business to tamper with their freedom now when they are there.” You must leave them alone where they are. But I have seen people have no idea about the dead. For example they bury all the dead in the church! I happened to live near a very big cathedral the oldest one in that town, just there. And I see so many spirits coming out of it every night, layers and layers. And there the children go, everyone goes, that's why people going to church become little flatter. I know of a Sahaja Yogini whose mother was like that. And in old days she used to go early in the morning to the church. And she could not recognize her own children. But every Sunday morning she would get up, dress up and go to the church andone day she got lost and only some bhoot used to come on a Sunday to her, to take her down to church. Bhoot means possession. And then she became very funny and she had to be put in an asylum. Once I travelled with her on the bus and I saw two-three people walking in one after another. Of about say sixty to eighty years of age, - Sahaja Yogini: There was only one? Shri Mataji: No, no There was another one sitting. Yes. And they were talking they were just talking like mad [incorrectly] and I asked her what is she talking. She said "About the last walk". I mean all these things happen, when you try to get attached to the people who are dead. You have to live in the present. Not into the past or into the future, but into the present. And you will be amazed when you will beinvolved in the present, how great you will be. Now the time is coming up and this is the centre, now we come to, which is the centre here at behind which most of you catch. This is the centre of Vishuddhi. Has sixteen plexuses, which looks after your sixteen sub-plexuses to supply your mouth, face, eyes, nose, ears. This is the most important plexus for human being because this is the time when man raised his eyes upward, when he stood up. Because of this movement the life, these two crossed each other. And that's how ego and superego developed into our heads. And because of ego development the brain started becoming more triangular. Animals at the most have superego. When they live with human beings they have pituitary body, very advanced. And it goes down when they start living with human beings. The movement of the ego is from back here, you can say from this here to this side. And the movement of super-ego is from back on to this side, from this here to this. Because of ego development, the super-ego which was developed which was overdeveloped was pushed back. And a shell was formed in the brain. It became like an egg and this "I"ness came in you, "I am" came in. See, this is the right position. Those who lived in the centre have this kind of a position. And then when the Kundalini rises she sucks in both of them and that's how your Sahasrara opens out and your fontanel bone is pierced through. That is how you get your Realization. Now regarding Vishuddhi I don't want to tell you much but is the Deity of Shri Krishna. Those who have a very good Vishuddhi become witness of the play of the Divine. It has left and right two sides which you can see in the paper and you will know..... Now between the pituitary and the pineal we are away and on the optic chiasm crossing each other. That point. That's a very subtle side. This centre is the centre of Agnya. It has two petals, by pituitary it controls the ego, by pineal it controls the superego. Now this centre is the centre adorned by our Lord Jesus Christ. This red mark you see is the blood mark of Jesus Christ. Is the most important centre because this is the door to the Kingdom of God which is the limbic area. His message is not crucification but really it is resurrection. He came to show that you can be resurrected but none of the Christian associations, institutions or countries are working out towards it. They are just making these churches symmetric, symmetries of churches and in some of the institutions seeking is not even permitted. He has said that you will have to be born again, seek yourself. So we have one group of people who do not believe in seeking. And the other group of people who are self-certified that we are realized souls. Human beings you give them anything they know how to make a mess out of that. I don't know how did they interpret Christ like that. I said, how? Why? What makes you think that He asked you to do this social work? So, they told me this: “Once Mary Magdalene brought some oil to rub on his feet and on his body". And, I think Peter told that, “Why should you do that? Why don't you give it to the poor? It’s a very expensive oil. Better sell it and give it to the poor". And Christ said, "That, poor are forever, means that they are headache forever. But I have come for a short time". And because of this kind of nonsensical interpretation there’s a great drama going on in the idea of helping the poor. I mean sometimes I just don't understand, now I come to England and I find that it is nothing but plastic: they have no cottons, they have no silks, they have no brass, they have nothing genuine, they wear plastic, they eat plastic, they sit on plastic, their houses are plastic and they think Indians are poor. The Indians don't sit on plastic. At least they have their wood there, they wear cotton. I mean how do say you are affluent. You have no gold, you have no precious stones, you have no silver. Every Indian will have some silver in the house. Every, even maybe a beggar might have. You see the ideas you have given to Indians makes them feel they are poor because they don't have plastics! Because they have no nylons. When I go to India you know what I have to carry from England - nylon sarees. That's being very modern, very sophisticated. You go to somebody's house, who is rich. He won't give anything, in a say in a proper ceramics, he won't use any ceramics. He won't use any artistic piece which in his country, is so much available. But he will use stainless steel imported from Germany or an aluminium pan from Japan. You see it's the idea. Idea of poverty is so funny you can't imagine. The one who is a saint is not enticed by anything. Nothing can comfort such a person. He is comfort himself. He can sleep on a bare land or can sleep in the palace it's just the same. For him it makes no difference where he lives and what he has. Because he possesses his Spirit which is the most precious. And that's why he is the king of king's. Even if he is born as carpenter's son so what does it matter. He behaves like a king better than all other kings. He doesn't need any diplomacy or any kinds of a compromise. He stands on the truth. He is brave and courageous. But that does not mean that you should become poor.I must give the other side of it because some people feel that if you move like beggars of a street then you are very nice. Or if you look like clowns it’s a very good idea. You are a nice target for all horrible possessions to get into you. Both are artificial. Like even a boy came to me and he had all his hair dishevelled and he was looking like somebody from ancient times, you see, some primitive personality. I asked him, "Why do you look like a primitive person?” He said "I want to become primitive". I said, "By wearing this rags you cannot, your brain is modern. Your brain is English. You cannot become primitive. You cannot become that, it’s just your own imagination. It will never happen." Like if you put say a hundred pound notes on a donkey does he become a millionaire? By changing outside you do not change inside. So you are not to look pitiable, unhappy, nor miserable [UNCLEAR]. Like even Christ, they have tried to do that to him. I went to see this. I today only I told them, this Vatican City, I went to see this, Vatican City. Michelangelo was a realized soul. And in the Sistine’s chapel you see a huge, big Christ with a big stomach he is called as ‘Lambodara’. Tremendous fellow he is. Standing there on top and these Catholics have put a table in front of that. And on a cross some skeleton is hanging miserably. They have no shame. How did they dare insult Christ like that? He carried his cross on his back. Let anyone of these popes carry those crosses I would like to see, very easy to say carried a cross when somebody is carrying the whole cross in front of him. It is sadism to see Christ so miserable as that. A person of that personality shining as brilliant. Happy and joyful and healthy. It is in “The Devi Mahatmyam” [Devi Bhagavatam], written that He is the support of the world. We mean that skeleton, that miserable skeleton is going to be the support of the universe? All funny ideas are falling into human beings. Like mosquitoes they want women to look. Horrible. With a very bad heart and very bad liver. There’s no warmth, there’s no love. They cannot be good mothers, when children don't like bones, I don't think men also like bones. Imagine a skeleton around you, bah. I mean you feel so miserable in such a company you know so guilty that you are so healthy and this person is such a skeleton. Do you have, got a Mona Lisa? Look at her health. See her face. How radiant? Thousands of people come to see her and then they pay money for these beauty contests. Modern times are the times of confusion and nonsense. I mean to what nonsense they can go one cannot say. But in this confusion the seekers are going to get their Realization. Because of the confusion they have reached that stage to receive. That's why they are awakened. They are thinking about it. They want to know what is the end of confusion. It's there and you can see it’s the limbic area, is called as Sahasrara. There are one thousand petals. There are 998 nerves, which when enlightened look like flames. And according to doctors how can it be one thousand? Actually they are one thousand whether they like it or not. But they’ll just go on quarrelling on this whether there were 998 or one thousand like she’ll say the one that she wants. Just now, you also tell, but there is only one point there, but why? All right? In the same way. That's how it is. You do not see things and then you want to quarrel and argue. This is what Kabira meant that people become stupid. You are so conditioned and your ego is so developed that you cannot see. But the one who sees you should not challenge. Better see yourself. Receive it for yourself. I am here to give you counsel, give Realization with all my patience and my compassion flows ahead of good. But the one who is going to come has eleven destroying powers. And when he will start his destruction then he will judge you on your Kundalini. Not on anything as you must have heard that "You will call me Christ, Christ and I won't recognize you". So, please be careful, please have your Realization and try to give it to others. Do not take advantage of me. You have been already warned in the Bible. Because I am prideless. I am very simple, to look at. But there’s a lot of thing. [End of recording]

Public Program Day 3, The Creation of the World Subject: This is, Human evolution and what is the situation today? The subject itself says that it is the evolution of man from amoeba to this stage of creation in one part and the second is what is going to happen to be him after. So what has happened from creation we shall hear today and what is going to happen after today. The part of it which I am going to tell you today maybe is not yet known to many people.The part of it which I am going to tell you later on is known to our science.But is not yet being felt at the subtler level what it has done to us. So the attitude should be about this is when I’m talking about something which is not yet known about creation and then about the future of your being, attitude should be of more listening to me. The attitude should be to see for yourself, like in science we have a very open mind. Whatever hypothesis is put before you, you should get it and see if it works your laws and then it is called as a law, then it is confirmed with experimentation. The subject is here [UNCLEAR] us of …. have such a very short time so I have to be very fast in it today, and the subject is also very serious.So to make yourself little bit lighter I would say that if the taxi is late I have to be very fast. a [UNCLEAR].... is choking\-Who?\-He [UNCLEAR] First I will tell you in short how the creation came into being. First it is the Divine. Say this [UNCLEAR Divine plays]. First it exists just as Brahma in a static state, and then the Brahma which contains God’s attention becomes separated or becomes, forms, a nucleus. This is the static state, forms a nucleus, the whole thing goes into that state. Now, this one (nucleus) does separates, emits around it, this is what is the regularization starts. A circle, it forms, of its energy. This is the power of God, which forms a circle, because now it starts, the formation stage starts like this. Now, from then all this forms a nucleus, somewhere here and all this flows into this nucleus.So we get God almighty and His power. There’s no difference between the two. They are just one. This is the One who is the Spectator, and this is the One who plays. This is the God called Sadashiva in Sanskrit language and this is ‘the Shakti called as Adi Shakti’, the Primordial power. Now this Primordial power creates everything for the amusement of this Spectator Sadashiva. Now this creation takes place by many methods but one of them to begin with it has to have time and it has to have space. By delimiting the abstract that the creation starts. Now when this one comes up first thing She does, this power, is to go round in an ellipse. This is as if She garlands. It is a very sweet relationship. And She doesn't want to leave Her master or She doesn't want leave Her husband we can say. I mean that's how human beings understand, so I'm saying husband. This stage is the zygote state as you can call it or we call it the Pradakshina. Now this is the time what we call the second stage is lasya, in which this is, now this wants to go, doesn't want to go, for example, it doesn’t want to create, it wants to be born. So it moves forward by which this move becomes like that, you see, but He gives a push to Her promising that You go ahead and I will be always with You, sort of. It is very poetic. By this push, you see, this goes back, and it forms like that. That's how OM comes in. The first sound is here created when it breaks bondhere. This is the first sound. Is sound without any percussion. And this is the sound is called as the Anahata or the OM. Now the second part of creation starts where She returns back from Her creation. One creation She does again comes back then She returns back, comes back again. She creates again and comes back again. And that's how She returns back again and again there have been many creations, but in one creation there are fourteen Bhuvanas, means there are fourteen layers She creates. For example to create this universe what She did was to come down here and go round here and end around [UNCLEAR turn it all] here. So that all this became very limited and became very compressed. Because of compression there was a Big Bang. This I have said about 1970, when had gone to Iran. And later on I read it in the papers people are talking about Big Bang. That's how these fragments are created. These fragments then because of the momentum of this movement of this one go into round round thing, you see momentum, this is Sanskrit word, it is English of momentum, then there are fourteen are caused like this, and then they go into another sort of a bang and then Suryamandal is caused. Suryamandal is the Sun, the solar plexus. Now, in the solar plexus now what do they do is to...this is The Surya this is the Sun and this is the Moon. For example, now part of it breaks out, the gases and all that they come out and they form. First earth is brought very close, close to the Moon with this kind of a ring which you find on Saturn, sort of a ring, it’s like an yoyo, you see. Now, what happens at this can be moved up and down up to a point, so the whole earth is frozen first. Then it is brought to a point where it starts melting and then it is adjusted in such a way that after melting it fully then they want to adjust it in such a way that it can have life. All this movement is spiral of the Earth is a spiral movement. This also recently somebody said it of course I have written about it long time back, said about it. With the movement of the Earth like that they really the evolution is generated. How you move towards the Sun and the Moon is adjusted in the centre. So the Sun and the Moon, the Moon gives you the power to desire and the Sun gives you a power to act. Thus two powers are created out of one power of Shakti. And between the two on the Earth a third power is created which gives you evolution. These two powers can be described as a cross. Not the Christ's cross, but another one, actually it is shown like a ‘Swastika’. When these two powers move like this: this is the first power and this is the second power. When these two powers move like this in clockwise manner then the creation takes place. When they move anti-clockwise then the destruction takes place. Now the evolution is here in the centre. It starts from here. Out of these two powers, first the carbon is produced. This gives oxygen, this gives hydrogen. This, the third one, when it comes in the carbon, established, when it is fully balanced, established, then life takes place. So you get the third power by which life starts growing. So the life starts coming up to a point. At this point leaves a gap, now human evolution has started from here, up to here. And this is the Grace of God, now there is a gap here. And this gap is to be filled. For to keep this gap all right, not to create any problem, many prophets are born on this Earth. So you have to keep your attention in the centre. Those who go the left or right go out of the circulation of evolution, like the mammoth and all this big animals who were very very fat and without any intelligence went out of circulation. Then there were very cunning animals who came up and the cunning animals also started going too far, extremes, this side, the movement on the right. They also went down.Then there were many emotional people. They came up here, they also went down, then the spiritual people came here. And that is how we have the fourth being within us. The physical being here at this point actually comes,the mental people, then the emotional, and then the spiritual. That is how our evolution has worked in four periods. And it has left its mark within us and it has left its conditioning within us. So from the very beginning, from when you were just a matter, this is matter, and then you became carbon, till you became animals and then you became emotional beings and then you became spiritual beings, all these are within us. Thus we have within us basically seven levels plus we have two more centres, which are called as Sun centre and Moon centre. The first centre which is we should say our carbon state, lies below the Kundalini. It is made of the Mother Earth element. It is innocent. That means it is innocence within us which is established first of all. Before making anything of this world of creation, we should say, before creating this Mother Earth even, this Deity of innocence was created. And this innocence is within us, which resides in that centre called as Mooladhara chakra. This is a very important centre, because this centre is the one which informs the Kundalini. This is the innocence of child and the mother is the Kundalini. All of you have your individual Kundalini here, your individual mother. And she is there to give you your Realization. She is connected with your subconscious area. And whatever you have done in your past, in your past lives, in ages She has all recorded by her. But the one who records, I mean who informs, who is the informer is sitting in that centre, which is the Mooladhara chakra. This is the only centre which is outside the spinal cord that is why it is very sensitive. But it is innocence, this centre gives rise to the pelvic plexus, which is responsible for sex, for all excretions. Now, this is a very important centre which we really do not know how we try to tamper. The deity is known as Shri Ganesh, who incarnates later on as Jesus Christ, at this point. This deity was created in the beginning and is a giver of wisdom. He removes all the hurdles and gives a spin.Now this centre is the holiest of holy because the holiest and holy is a deity. But we really do not know what is the protocol of this centre. The all excretions are private affairs of an individual even the sex. It should not be exposed and talked about and discussed. If you do that and think about it, this moves upward in the awareness in our brain. And you think about sex by which you become impotent. It is a spontaneous behaviour. Either you become absolutely impotent, in a very early age, or you get possessed by people who are very lusty. And you become addicted. To keep ourselves in the centre all the time, the institution of marriage came into being through the training of your unconscious. And the conscious has given us the idea of marriage. All the incarnations have been married except for Christ who was innocent, but you are not Christ. So you don’t take this pattern. He is Spirit and He cannot be married. He is married to two women, they say, is one who is satisfaction and the second is the mastery, Siddhi. See, the Siddhi will be doing two things than in one itself. So He is not married, but all the other incarnations are married. He being the Spirit, He is the only one who was resurrected to prove what Shri Krishna has said at Vishuddhi Chakra. And Vishuddhi is here, to prove what Krishna has said that it cannot be killed by anyone. This was announced so many years back. But you sometimes think that Christ is in your pocket. You think you can build up anything in His name, and do whatever you like.First you get Him awakened within you. First you know where He resides within you and then you will know what He wants. Now the first chakra I told you in short that a person who has to cleanse this sath chakra has to know that it comes from the Mother Earth. In the book "Advent" Gregoire has written in detail as to, how you have to outer balance the defects of this chakra. On one side it causes the problems of the prostate gland that comes mostly with [UNCLEAR laxation?? 31:30] also it causes the problems of all improved bad diseases. On the other side when a person does not have interest in sex or things like that or if he is very hard-working or sometimes also overindulgence in sex, both waysit can cause. All these things also causes constipation and all the troubles of the alimentary canal at the other extreme. Now people have been, I must say, people like experts, are really half baked, are very dangerous people. Only you could see it because He was a Realized soul, He got his Realization. But his disciples I have seen in India are mostly Jews. And they don't want to accept Christ as an Incarnation. Whether see, they accept it or not, He is. This is how the effort of Juwa also have failed because He could not give Realization to anyone. Now the second centre that is here is, though it is looked, the third one, it is the naval centre. Through this centre we have our seeking. Our seeking goes so far as towards our spiritual seeking. And today in the taxi I was laughing aloud, because they told me that somebody is an intellectual and he has read too much and he is conditioned. After all what can the seekers do but to read? But they read tons and tons and tons of books. And their whole tonnage is on their head like a ship carrying the heavy load, any time to be toppled down. And I, when I have read Kabir sometimes, long time back when I was very young when I was a child I should say, I read Kabir who is very straightforward and very furious, tremendous fellow. But I could not understand one of his things he said that “Padi Padi pandita moorakha bhai”, that means by reading too much even the wise has become stupid. Moorakha means actually idiot, they’ve become idiots. Then I realized that when my husband started doing some shippage that if the ship is loaded too much it can topple down. The human brain should be able to bear it and some matter could be exclusive to your being. You have to verify everything that you do before loading the ship. And that's why when you lose your wisdom you don't know you’re going to take to every self-destructive. This is the state of our seeking, that we seek in books, and believe all kinds of idiots who’ve written idiotic books. We have no way of verifying. This happens, very often I’ve seen in the west, specially where people are really overread. It is difficult to decondition them. Mr. Freud took a lead from them. He was really satanic in some way, because, he says that if you follow the Ten Commandments, it said ‘do not do this, do not do that’, then you get conditioning. Because for you to keep in the centre you have to be told ‘not to do this’, otherwise you go on the left or the right. But according to Mr. Freud the Great, all of this is wrong. But he should have said, if he was honest, that don't read any books of Mr. Freud. He has conditioned you the most. All western countries are conditioned by Mr. Freud who was a Satan of the worst type. There are many who might say, that "Oh! Nothing has happened to us, we are all right". But after getting Realization and enlightenment you can see in that light how horrible you are. He has uprooted human beings from their own, fully from their own sustenance, from their own source of wisdom. This is the seat of wisdom. Children are very wise, you know that. They come out with very wise statements because they have not lost their innocence. I will give you an example of my own grandchildren. The elder daughter has two daughters and the younger one is only three years, when she was three years they went to the school and the elder one was about seven years. She brought a paper from the school and told me "What is written in this paper? Just see." And the paper was addressed to the parents, and it said that there is a program in which if you come you get your transformation. You have to only pay hundred rupees for that program. Both of them are born realized. The elder one says that "This is a course for transformation, is it?" She says that "Without Kundalini awakening how can you have transformation, Grandma?" But the little three year old says: "My father has done fourteen courses, his Kundalini is not awakened? So how can you have course in Kundalini awakening and how can you transform without awakening. The elder one says "You may give thousands of rupees to the Kundalini, it won't rise". I was amazed at their wisdom, to grown up people it is very difficult to convince them, but children see the point immediately. They have innate wisdom. The difference is when you get Realization, when you are grown up then you can communicate better. Talk about Sahaja Yoga, write about Sahaja Yoga. But they, you don't have to tell them anything. They are so beautiful. That's why Christ has said you have to be like children if you have to enter into the kingdom of God. Now, it's so spontaneous a child has come today to grace this occasion. Now the seeking that we have has to be with the wisdom. We cannot seek wisdom in Freud. He himself died of a horrible catch. He had funny relation with his mother. That's what are we going to do? There are gurus who are teaching you horrible things that "Can you have sex with your mother Kundalini? This is the greatest sin. In London, they were publishing a picture saying that Christ had bad relationship with his mother. And they protested so much that the Queen had to say no, it cannot be produced in London. And maybe in America they might be allowed under the name of freedom. And I can tell you if it comes to Paris half of the Paris will be booking itself for three years. Because we are reduced to nothing but sex point. We have no human existence. We eat sex, we think sex, we see sex. It’s horrible. To me, it’s nauseating. I will tell you again and again in this place called Paris where I came first time, I stayed in a very big hotel ‘Sheraton’ I think, yes with my husband. And we were VIPs. VIPs are big people so they gave us a special seat. And they gave me the seat facing a very famous painting. And when I sat down and looked up. I was shocked. A dirty woman sitting with her dirty nudity completely on a chair! And everything in detail, “eww!”. Horrible. He said, "I am going to the bathroom". He vomited. He came back, "O God I can't eat anything anymore". And the VIPs was left without eating anything. And I also vomited a lot. That was the first day we had dinner in Paris. This kind of wisdom is lost, which every Indian has so far, thank God. They get westernized, but they know it is wrong. But you are so conditioned that you do not know it is wrong. And in it is filled. I should not say this but you are in the country where people like, ‘what’s his name whom I really was worshiping in this country? Émile Zola’. He was a realized soul. How he brought out all this nonsense out and how he really protested against this? And here you are, I don't know how you are playing to the hands of this mad man Mr. Freud who had bad relation with his mother. You must respect your privacy. How can you allow anybody to disturb that? This is your own pride. Now I need not tell too much on that point, but now I will go to the seeking. Because why I said, because now the seeking has gone into sex.Now see how Kundalini is placed above that. Only the six centres are penetrated. Shat chakra.... as they call it, not the seven, so what you are doing is to go down at the very beginning of your evolution. Like I have seen people have very nice films made showing how you have to learn from animal behaviour or from fishes, fishes! Are you going to become now fishes? You have to become super human beings, ‘master of yourself’, Master of yourself, not slave of anything. This is enslavement. Now in the third centre which we call as Swadishthana is the centre which in a way acts in for your thinking. As well as for other organs like liver and spleen, pancreas, kidney and etc. Now this poor thing has so many things to be done but it has to also convert the cells of the stomach fat into proper cells for the grey matter and the white matter of the brain. Now when you start thinking too much then it has got one work is to replace the cells used by your brain. Now when he has to do this job: one thing only that to look after the replacement of the cells, what can he do? Poor thing, it is thinking, thinking, thinking. It has no time to look after the other organs. So the liver goes out of order. People get diabetes. Because of pancreas they get spleen problem they become speedy because the spleen is the speedometer. Because people just don't bother about the spleen. When you have taken your food you just want to jump out. When you are taking your food you want to listen to a horrible radio news that some catastrophe has taken place. The spleen becomes crazy. You become speedy and anxious, as if it is like going to take a train about three hours before it arrived. You live in the future all the time. ‘Watch’ is another curse. You always want to plan everything ahead and this planning is very dangerous and not practical. For example now we had to come from our house to this place. Supposing we had planned our car to move out in one direction, do you think we would have reached here? As it is the taxi man lost the way. That's why all your plans fail. Like in India they are five year plans for three times and I went to one mystic place and saw lots of these tractors like just rusting in the yard. There’s a yard. They said, according to the plan we imported these tractors but there are no roads for us to take these tractors to the village. And so they are becoming a junk there. It should be done spontaneously. For example if I have to go to London and I have to book a seat I have to book it today, there is no plan. But if I sit down: I have to do it, I have to go, I have to go, I pester myself morning till evening, I have to go on this date and I have to book, I have to book, I may not book at all. And some people have a habit of writing it down in the diary. Once they write it down, it's done according to them. Moreover is the brain, works too much, hands do not work, there is imbalance, there is no integration. That's why for you hand-made things are so precious, because only your brain works, the hands do not. You have lost the depthness, the whole energy is gone into the brain only and the third dangerous thing is by this imbalance by right hand side, as you call it the right hand side working of the brain and the action accordingly, what happens is that your heart is enveloped in ego. You like only those things which pamper your ego. Now supposing I tell somebody "Don't go to [gramping] [UNCLEAR]. He says to me, "What's wrong? I like it". But which part of "I" likes it? Of course not your Spirit, is your ego. Is all your ego trips, see for yourself? They know, they know it, ego trips [ha you know that Yuva Shakti...]. And the whole society you see, builds up your ego. They will say you, smoke this cigar and you will look like somebody great, get cancer. Also such absurd advertisements coming and it is "Oh! It is great to be like that". But this ego-oriented personality gets into a freezing attack. They do not talk like human beings but like some "Frankenstein" style. Like this, "Yes...so what? What do you mean?" To their wives they will talk, imagine. Is this the way to talk to your wife, sweet little thing, or to your child? There are no emotions which are flowing out of the heart. The heart is so closed. Reactions to this came into this world when people started anti-culture movements. They got so frightened of their ego there, they said escape this ego, they couldn't bear it anymore. They couldn't bear themselves, because so dominating, that they felt hurt. So they said "Let us get out", so they took to drugs and things like that. Even alcohol is because of that, you see. Take to alcohol, for the same reason. And as a reaction they took these drugs. And they entered into the area called as superego. This is the area which one gets after getting conditioned. So, from egoist they became super egoist. Super egoists are the people who are dominated by other people, other spirits who are very sly. Such people are very sly and could be very sexy and all sort of which goes intheleft side. Because they said this is love. They confused sex will love. It's only with your wife that you can have sex in morality. Otherwise why do you feel jealous? Why do you get diseases? Why you don't want your wivesor your husbands to have relations with others. Or if that relationship is so holy and good why do you hide it? And why do you tell lies? It's all adharmic, it’s all irreligious. Now this heart business is there in another chakra, you can see there. This chakra, it has got two parts in it. One is the mother, another is the father. Shri Mataji: Why is he crying? Sahaja Yogi:Just find out. Shri Mataji: A? I hope nobody is speaking. Sahaja Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: He must be wanting to, come here. Now, why do you force him? Let him be here. He is all right. Now this chakra is of the Mother universe, lives there. Mother of universe. As a child till the age of twelve years the antibodies are built within you at the sternum level. These antibodies are responsible for protecting us later on in life. And that's how as if She builds her soldiers for us. I don't know if you do it here or not, but in India as soon as a child is born, the first thing they give to the child is honey. Honey nourishes antibodies within us. Pure honey, not this artificial. And these antibodies are responsible for looking after us when there is any invasion. On the both side is the father's and mother's chakras. The father’s is on the right and the left is mother's. When the right chakra is caught up which has Shri Rama's incarnation adorning it, then you get diseases like asthma, and on the left hand side the mother's thing is caught up, then you get diseases like breast cancer. The right side is the father's. Is the father is the complete image of a good father, is Shri Rama. Now if you have any bad relations with your children also you catch on this chakra. Or with your father. If your father has died early, also you can. Very recently in England they found out a little remedy for anorexia where women just give up eating. If the father of the girl has died and the service was not attended by her or there was no service for her, they arrange another service of a thanksgiving for the father. And they have found that the girls get all right, because these are spirits of the father or of the husband can possess such people who have not been able to see them at the last moment even grandfather, grandmother, very much, very much, it's true and apart from that if your any relation like that has died and you are too much fond of it and you sometimes try this [UNCLEAR plaintiff] things, then it's horrible. So, one has to know how to deal with the dead, once they are dead you should tell them “We are all right, don't worry about us, you take your birth again and you take your Realization. We are very happy and you also be happy. We have no business to tamper with their freedom now when they are there.” You must leave them alone where they are. But I have seen people have no idea about the dead. For example they bury all the dead in the church! I happened to live near a very big cathedral the oldest one in that town, just there. And I see so many spirits coming out of it every night, layers and layers. And there the children go, everyone goes, that's why people going to church become little flatter. I know of a Sahaja Yogini whose mother was like that. And in old days she used to go early in the morning to the church. And she could not recognize her own children. But every Sunday morning she would get up, dress up and go to the church andone day she got lost and only some bhoot used to come on a Sunday to her, to take her down to church. Bhoot means possession. And then she became very funny and she had to be put in an asylum. Once I travelled with her on the bus and I saw two-three people walking in one after another. Of about say sixty to eighty years of age, - Sahaja Yogini: There was only one? Shri Mataji: No, no There was another one sitting. Yes. And they were talking they were just talking like mad [incorrectly] and I asked her what is she talking. She said "About the last walk". I mean all these things happen, when you try to get attached to the people who are dead. You have to live in the present. Not into the past or into the future, but into the present. And you will be amazed when you will beinvolved in the present, how great you will be. Now the time is coming up and this is the centre, now we come to, which is the centre here at behind which most of you catch. This is the centre of Vishuddhi. Has sixteen plexuses, which looks after your sixteen sub-plexuses to supply your mouth, face, eyes, nose, ears. This is the most important plexus for human being because this is the time when man raised his eyes upward, when he stood up. Because of this movement the life, these two crossed each other. And that's how ego and superego developed into our heads. And because of ego development the brain started becoming more triangular. Animals at the most have superego. When they live with human beings they have pituitary body, very advanced. And it goes down when they start living with human beings. The movement of the ego is from back here, you can say from this here to this side. And the movement of super-ego is from back on to this side, from this here to this. Because of ego development, the super-ego which was developed which was overdeveloped was pushed back. And a shell was formed in the brain. It became like an egg and this "I"ness came in you, "I am" came in. See, this is the right position. Those who lived in the centre have this kind of a position. And then when the Kundalini rises she sucks in both of them and that's how your Sahasrara opens out and your fontanel bone is pierced through. That is how you get your Realization. Now regarding Vishuddhi I don't want to tell you much but is the Deity of Shri Krishna. Those who have a very good Vishuddhi become witness of the play of the Divine. It has left and right two sides which you can see in the paper and you will know..... Now between the pituitary and the pineal we are away and on the optic chiasm crossing each other. That point. That's a very subtle side. This centre is the centre of Agnya. It has two petals, by pituitary it controls the ego, by pineal it controls the superego. Now this centre is the centre adorned by our Lord Jesus Christ. This red mark you see is the blood mark of Jesus Christ. Is the most important centre because this is the door to the Kingdom of God which is the limbic area. His message is not crucification but really it is resurrection. He came to show that you can be resurrected but none of the Christian associations, institutions or countries are working out towards it. They are just making these churches symmetric, symmetries of churches and in some of the institutions seeking is not even permitted. He has said that you will have to be born again, seek yourself. So we have one group of people who do not believe in seeking. And the other group of people who are self-certified that we are realized souls. Human beings you give them anything they know how to make a mess out of that. I don't know how did they interpret Christ like that. I said, how? Why? What makes you think that He asked you to do this social work? So, they told me this: “Once Mary Magdalene brought some oil to rub on his feet and on his body". And, I think Peter told that, “Why should you do that? Why don't you give it to the poor? It’s a very expensive oil. Better sell it and give it to the poor". And Christ said, "That, poor are forever, means that they are headache forever. But I have come for a short time". And because of this kind of nonsensical interpretation there’s a great drama going on in the idea of helping the poor. I mean sometimes I just don't understand, now I come to England and I find that it is nothing but plastic: they have no cottons, they have no silks, they have no brass, they have nothing genuine, they wear plastic, they eat plastic, they sit on plastic, their houses are plastic and they think Indians are poor. The Indians don't sit on plastic. At least they have their wood there, they wear cotton. I mean how do say you are affluent. You have no gold, you have no precious stones, you have no silver. Every Indian will have some silver in the house. Every, even maybe a beggar might have. You see the ideas you have given to Indians makes them feel they are poor because they don't have plastics! Because they have no nylons. When I go to India you know what I have to carry from England - nylon sarees. That's being very modern, very sophisticated. You go to somebody's house, who is rich. He won't give anything, in a say in a proper ceramics, he won't use any ceramics. He won't use any artistic piece which in his country, is so much available. But he will use stainless steel imported from Germany or an aluminium pan from Japan. You see it's the idea. Idea of poverty is so funny you can't imagine. The one who is a saint is not enticed by anything. Nothing can comfort such a person. He is comfort himself. He can sleep on a bare land or can sleep in the palace it's just the same. For him it makes no difference where he lives and what he has. Because he possesses his Spirit which is the most precious. And that's why he is the king of king's. Even if he is born as carpenter's son so what does it matter. He behaves like a king better than all other kings. He doesn't need any diplomacy or any kinds of a compromise. He stands on the truth. He is brave and courageous. But that does not mean that you should become poor.I must give the other side of it because some people feel that if you move like beggars of a street then you are very nice. Or if you look like clowns it’s a very good idea. You are a nice target for all horrible possessions to get into you. Both are artificial. Like even a boy came to me and he had all his hair dishevelled and he was looking like somebody from ancient times, you see, some primitive personality. I asked him, "Why do you look like a primitive person?” He said "I want to become primitive". I said, "By wearing this rags you cannot, your brain is modern. Your brain is English. You cannot become primitive. You cannot become that, it’s just your own imagination. It will never happen." Like if you put say a hundred pound notes on a donkey does he become a millionaire? By changing outside you do not change inside. So you are not to look pitiable, unhappy, nor miserable [UNCLEAR]. Like even Christ, they have tried to do that to him. I went to see this. I today only I told them, this Vatican City, I went to see this, Vatican City. Michelangelo was a realized soul. And in the Sistine’s chapel you see a huge, big Christ with a big stomach he is called as ‘Lambodara’. Tremendous fellow he is. Standing there on top and these Catholics have put a table in front of that. And on a cross some skeleton is hanging miserably. They have no shame. How did they dare insult Christ like that? He carried his cross on his back. Let anyone of these popes carry those crosses I would like to see, very easy to say carried a cross when somebody is carrying the whole cross in front of him. It is sadism to see Christ so miserable as that. A person of that personality shining as brilliant. Happy and joyful and healthy. It is in “The Devi Mahatmyam” [Devi Bhagavatam], written that He is the support of the world. We mean that skeleton, that miserable skeleton is going to be the support of the universe? All funny ideas are falling into human beings. Like mosquitoes they want women to look. Horrible. With a very bad heart and very bad liver. There’s no warmth, there’s no love. They cannot be good mothers, when children don't like bones, I don't think men also like bones. Imagine a skeleton around you, bah. I mean you feel so miserable in such a company you know so guilty that you are so healthy and this person is such a skeleton. Do you have, got a Mona Lisa? Look at her health. See her face. How radiant? Thousands of people come to see her and then they pay money for these beauty contests. Modern times are the times of confusion and nonsense. I mean to what nonsense they can go one cannot say. But in this confusion the seekers are going to get their Realization. Because of the confusion they have reached that stage to receive. That's why they are awakened. They are thinking about it. They want to know what is the end of confusion. It's there and you can see it’s the limbic area, is called as Sahasrara. There are one thousand petals. There are 998 nerves, which when enlightened look like flames. And according to doctors how can it be one thousand? Actually they are one thousand whether they like it or not. But they’ll just go on quarrelling on this whether there were 998 or one thousand like she’ll say the one that she wants. Just now, you also tell, but there is only one point there, but why? All right? In the same way. That's how it is. You do not see things and then you want to quarrel and argue. This is what Kabira meant that people become stupid. You are so conditioned and your ego is so developed that you cannot see. But the one who sees you should not challenge. Better see yourself. Receive it for yourself. I am here to give you counsel, give Realization with all my patience and my compassion flows ahead of good. But the one who is going to come has eleven destroying powers. And when he will start his destruction then he will judge you on your Kundalini. Not on anything as you must have heard that "You will call me Christ, Christ and I won't recognize you". So, please be careful, please have your Realization and try to give it to others. Do not take advantage of me. You have been already warned in the Bible. Because I am prideless. I am very simple, to look at. But there’s a lot of thing. [End of recording]

12/1/1980

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You Are Part of the Divine Being

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"You Are Part of the Divine Being". Caxton Hall, London (UK), 1 December 1980. I could not accommodate all of you in my house then I thought better to come here all of you would fit here! And today is the last day for our Sahaj Yogis (before Mother’s trip to India). We have to understand certain very, very important things about ourselves and our organisation that is divine. Now, in broad lines I can tell you, not individual problems and individual things because you are no more individuals now. You have become part and parcel of the Divine Being and you are awakened cells and so in a broad way we must understand what we have to do about it. First thing, we have to know that we are Realised souls, and that you have got Realisation and that you are saints; that you have all the powers that a saint could have. No saint ever had more powers than you have, as it is, which is manifesting. No saint had any knowledge that you have today. You'll be amazed, none of the books which have been written so far have been able to tell you about the spiritual being that is within you as you have come to know through Sahaja Yoga. One has to accept it. It is so. Any one of them, whosoever has written any books - even, I would say, Adi Shankaracharya, he could not explain so many things which you know. But the quality of Adi Shankaracharya is very great, or people of his type, Markandeya or Buddha. The quality is very high because they are extremely pure people - purity. They have achieved individual salvation of a very high degree. While you have achieved your collective salvation better. But individually they are of a very, very high quality. I mean, they had no doubts about Divine Power, they had no doubts about God. They never had any doubts and they were very dignified. And they never bothered as to their petty problems of life. For them this was too petty to think about. Anything which is so petty, we spent so much time over it. I know we had to do it because, after all, we are human beings and are being into Sahaja Yoga with our human awareness and then we got our Realisation. So the purification time is very, very short. And while they had such a lot of time to purify themselves. Now, for example, Moses was an incarnation, a very pure form of a personality or, you can say, Jesus was an incarnation, absolutely purest form of incarnation. But they are there to be our ideals while what we have done is to become, from human beings, a prophet. So, you understand both the things very well, what the weaknesses human beings have, what are their problems, how they get away from reality, how they are deluded. But still we do not use our vibratory power as we should use. And this is what point I want to tell you, that you all have vibratory powers. When we start using our vibratory powers also we do not know what dignity, protocol we should have for using this power. It is the power of the Deities within us and it's a ritual by which we get their power working in it, in us, sorry. As you know that people of ancient times did lot of miracles through this power but they were very dignified people. There was no frivolousness in their character and not useless problems within them, absolutely of no spiritual value. When you use your vibratory awareness, you should not use them for useless powers like, for example, going to a cinema and there's a traffic and you think that there's a traffic so you must use your vibratory powers to reach that place. Because it's frivolous; it does not matter. In Sahaja Yoga, it does not matter whether you go to a cinema or not. What matters is what are your spiritual powers, how far you have come in your spirituality. It (the cinema) does not matter at all. You are a saint, and what saintliness you are achieving within you is the main problem. Otherwise, all the rest of the things that you have, has no meaning. Or all these problems have no meaning in spirituality. So, all the Sahaja Yogis must realise that you are now newly born and you are people of new awareness and you have to have that dignity. For example, people- I'll just give an example because I was discussing with someone today that, when you give somebody a sort of a bandhan, you just turn your hand like this or like that. This is not the way it should be done. Your hands itself are to be respected because these are the hands of a saint. And all the deities reside on your hands and fingers so when you have to give them bandhan or anything, you have to use them properly. Use them in such a way that it’s dignified to do it. Any indignity or cheap behaviour should be absolutely avoided. Then dealing with each other you have to know that you are all now in the circulation of Divine Power. You have to respect each other and really love each other. You must respect because you are all saints. Every saint must respect another saint. That's the minimum of minimum. And if you do not respect each other, your chakras will go out of order, especially Vishuddhi because it's the collective thing. And also Mother's Chakra will go out because your sense of security is your collectivity. And the love between each other has to be not only looked after but is to be nourished and to be worshipped and o be - it should be a virtue. You should not treat each other as human beings treat each other. No! It's a precious thing. And even while talking to anyone very close, say, your brother, sister, husband, wife, you must respect, you must respect, otherwise, it has no meaning. You must respect your parents much more than you ever respected because they are Sahaja Yogis, because they are saints and they are your parents. Respect is the keynote of relationship with each other to begin with. And respect without love has no meaning. Respect and love for each other. For somebody is highly placed in life, somebody is lowly placed in life, in Sahaja Yoga it does not matter. How much you earn, what is your position in life, where you live is not important. The main important thing is that we are one and we are the people who have become now prophets and we are the ones who have got the powers to raise the Kundalini of others and such a power has come into us because our Mother loves us very much and it is our duty that we should love each other. And how I respect you? I need not because you know that there's a big gap between you and me. But I respect you because you are saints. And where the saints are not respected that country goes to dogs. So, first of all you must learn how to respect each other. And that is a very, very important training we should have. Whether he's your husband or wife, whether he's your brother or sister, father, mother or child, because he's a saint - respect! But I do not know how you will react to this one that immediately you start thinking about people who do not respect you. Think how many people you do not respect. It's a typical ego-oriented reaction that immediately we start thinking, “Oh, that man does not respect me! That man does not respect!” But just think how many people you have not respected yourself. When I am not here, I am here much more. I have not been to Australia, and you know how tremendously these people have come up - so pure and so good and so fantastic. But that has not happened so much here because I had to work, really labour here. Not that England is that bad. But all the time to feel that, “Mother is around. We’ll put all our problems to Her and She can solve them.” Even small, small problems you ring to me - it's all right - but now you are capable of solving your problems as well as solving the problems of others. Unless it is something fundamental you need not bother about me and you need not also ask me about it. You can go ahead with it now. But you must think everything in the terms of Sahaja Yoga by which - how much, by that, you are doing for Sahaja Yoga? How much you are working out for Sahaja Yoga? This was the meeting of the Sahaja Yogis today. And fundamentally we have to understand one thing: that we have to grow and we have to let others grow with our growth. Not by curbing our growth, but with our growth. You'll only grow if you make others grow with you. Otherwise, there will be no growth. Now, whatever I say goes into the books, sometimes into the brains of the people. It has to go into the heart. The whole Sahaja Yoga system works on the heart; that is the Spirit. Spirit is the thing I'm talking about. It’s the Spirit [that] is happy by that. Some people, I am told, are using their hands like a weapon and all that. This is very dangerous! You are not supposed to do all this for yourself. You are still saints, you are not yet gods! So don't try such things. Some people have a habit of also hitting a person with the hand like that. In my presence, if I say, it’s all right. But otherwise you should not. You have to respect. Use all tender and gentle methods, never anything by which you show any disrespect to a saint. Of course, you are hitting the negativity in another person, I know that. But you have no business to do that or to discard anyone or to put somebody out of this thing. You will go down very much. This is a serious thing one must understand. You have all the powers you know how far to go. You must keep to your maryadas. Don't go beyond, because these things give you ego, and ego is the most dangerous thing which we face always. Try to improve your language. Be gentle. Be very gentle with each other. I expect that you'll have many more people by the time I come. I expect fantastic things from you. I don't know if I should but I have given you something so fantastic, so tremendous. It is unbelievable. I expect it from you, no doubt, because you are specially selected and I have worked with you for years together. You have got the tapes in English. French people, poor things, they don't have tapes in French and they have to be translated. They haven't got a book in French and they have big problems of understanding me. But how dedicated they were, how deep they are. Each one of them came and said, “Mother, I love You very much. I love You.” “I have many defects and I offer myself to You. Will you accept me?” All of them said this way. Just imagine! I mean, I was surprised how they were saying all these things to me and the way they were understanding their defects within themselves. Now, we have to change our mode of behaviour towards financial, material, emotional, physical and all these things. For example, say, one is married - marriages should be successful. If your marriage is not successful and happy, you are not going to be blessed, not at all. Try to make your marriage very happy and successful. That's very important. Marriage is the institution established by Adi Shakti. You cannot dishonour it. Do not play frivolously with your marriages. Then you must also allow the children to be born to you so that you get great souls coming down on this earth by which we are giving them a chance, a very good chance, to lead a very happy life. But if husbands, wives are not happy, and even if Realised-souls are born, they have a trouble with you and they do not prosper well and they have problems. So, first of all, create a family of happiness and joy. Some people think if they get away from Sahaja Yogis, they'll make a good, happy married life. It's absolutely wrong! Absolutely wrong! If you cannot make a happy married life in the ashram, you cannot make it anywhere else. First try in the ashram. [It’s] worth trying. Otherwise, you cannot make it. Because then you understand how you share your life with others and your married life. Any such thing like any material thing, like getting a house or getting this thing, that thing is not so important. Your house should be clean within yourself, your temple of your heart. We are not here to build houses, not to accumulate money. We are here to build our temples within ourselves. The real temples which are growing, which are the living temples of living God within us. So, these material things are important up to a point, not more than that. Most important is not how you are substantiated by Sahaja Yoga but how much you have substantiated Sahaja Yoga through. Many people think, “We should get a good house because we have come to Mataji.” Yes, you do get. You get good jobs. All right. You get it. You get your financial conditions improved. All right. Everything happens to you. But how much have you given to Sahaja Yoga? In the way: how much have you substantiated? People think sometimes that if they donate money that's sufficient. It’s not. To enrich it with your heart, with your lovingness, with your friendship, with your sweet understanding of each other, enjoyment of each other's company in the purest form, not with any purpose or with any intention of getting any low type of joy or low type of happiness from someone ego-oriented or sex-oriented. But it's pure joy, pure joy. Purity is the theme we have to take to. We have to try to be purer and purer. And the purity will be shown brilliantly on your faces, in your behaviour, in the whole being as you would be. Your presence itself will show that you are Sahaja Yogis. You won't have to certify. You won't have to wear some special dresses to say, but people will know from your faces that you are saints, from your behaviour. You have to stand back in the last queue. You should be the people who should look at things. You should not be the first, unique, to getting into the thing first, to getting into the queue first. No, you are the last because you are with yourself. They are not. They have not [got] their own securities. They are trying to find securities in these things. You have your own securities. Change, according to the Spirit, all your priorities, and then joy is your own. I really expect fantastic things from you and I hope you all will join together and work it out and create something fantastic. I don't know how to tell individually about things but as it is I have already spoken to these Sahaja Yogis in Paris and I have told them that Sahaja Yoga is a very speedy thing. And it's very speedy. It's such a speed and if you do not keep with the speed of Sahaja Yoga, you'll be thrown out. You have to keep to the speed of Sahaja Yoga. Those who cannot keep by some method or other, or [who] get locked up by something or some misidentification, will drop out. You'll only grow when you will keep to the speed of Sahaja Yoga. It is going to be tremendous in India. I know these five years are going to be tremendous in Australia. England maybe; depending on your people putting up the speed. It's going to be tremendously speedy and you have to understand that, "Drop out all your shackles and drop out all your misidentifications, all nonsenses of fanaticism or of misidentifications that you are British, this, that, all this". And just become Sahaja Yogis and universal beings. It's very important. The time has come now. From next year it will start. So, I wish you a very Happy New Year and a very, very happy and cheerful Christmas. May God bless you. Now we have to await for other people who will be coming now but [if] any Sahaja Yogis have any problems or any questions should ask now till other programme will start. Can you have some chair nearby to talk to them? I think a simple one will do, it’s too elaborate to more. Douglas wants to move the whole big thing? Just an ordinary chair, Douglas, is alright for me. He wants to move the big one. Ask me questions, very important, on to small, small things. Later on, “Mother said so,” or, “Mother said so,” should not be there. Sahaja Yogis should ask because new people who have come, who have not got yet Realisation should wait for a while because I am just dealing with the Sahaja Yogis. And then we'll start our programme after just, say, ten minutes. Is it all right for new people? Just put it (the chair) here. Douglas Fry: Should we bring it further forward? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. I am alright. Just bring it nearer here. Now, I want Sahaja Yogis to ask me questions. It is important. Sahaja yogis should ask me questions. Please. You have to do everything with consultation with each other. No group should be formed separately. Ask me questions. Come along! What's the matter? Don. You’re getting thoughtless. Then, “Mother said like this,” and “Mother says like this,” and “Mother has told..” - this should be stopped. You see, actually we think outside going, outside doing is the way. No! Inside! Grow inside. Certain things I am going to write it down so that there's no confusion about things but, till I come back, the ashram system should go as it is today. Then when I come back we'll change it. But just now it's all right as it is. Nobody should take new steps. If you get a house or something, all right, you take a house. But better thing is to stick on to ashram for the time being, look after it and substantiate. I mean [if] somebody is allotting you a house, it’s all right. But you need not take a house on rent or something to get out of ashram. That's the escape. Ray Harris: I often find that it’s better to - after telling them the basics of Sahaja Yoga - to wait for them to tell you. And in what they say and their vibrations, what is it that they want to know, rather than really telling them everything. Shri Mataji: No, no. You should be very discreet. As I have told you in one of My lectures that there are three groups of Sahaja Yogis. One are the people who are in the inner circle. Most of you are here. You need not tell them many things. Everything need not be told. That is being not dishonest but that you are discreet. I mean, you need not tell everything. That's a wrong thing. Discretion is to be used. Then the second type are the people who are Sahaja Yogis but yet not there. Still [who] are doubting and still are not so developed. Their Kundalini is not up there. They are still [a] funny type. These are the people you have to be careful about. You need not tell them everything because they can't bear the Truth. They are not yet ready. Unless and until the Kundalini has reached a certain stage they cannot bear it. The sooner you start doing that, the worse they will become. Their doubts will be more because this is too much for them to bear. So you have to wait, wait and see for yourself. That should not be done. Just talk about Sahaja Yoga, direct. You need not talk about me. Now how will they understand me? I mean, you cannot understand me, how can they understand? The other day somebody asked me that, “Kundalini rises with such difficulties, and they had to purify yourself and all that, and here how my Kundalini has risen like this. Mother? How could it be?” I said, “It has risen or not?” He said, “Yes.” “You feel it?” “Yes, yes, I have. It is risen.” Then I said, “There must be something with me. All right?” He said, “That's what I was wondering that must be something about Mother. How is it that She's done it?” I said, "There is something. All right. So just now you need not find out. Just now you find out about yourself. Let it grow. Because I do not want to shock you. There is something about me, no doubt.” And one of them was saying that, “It's such a miraculous thing that my sinus has gone, I am feeling so much better. My drugs I have given up. I'm so much better and so fantastic that I can't believe it. How can it be? I tried all kinds of medicines, I went to the hospital, I did this, I did that, I had an operation. Nothing worked out. And how is it this simple thing like Sahaja Yoga has worked out?” I said, “It is too simple but it is to the point. It's so precise. It acts. It is something that acts.” “But how is it?” I said, “It does!” Like we were going to Paris. They announced that the temperature of Paris is zero degrees. So, Christine was sitting next to me rather worried. I said, “Don't you worry! It is going to improve.” Within fifteen days they said, “Suddenly the temperature has gone up five degrees!” Today London's temperature has gone up after my coming here. It works but they are surprised how it is working. After all, all these things are promised. The time has come. But you need not tell them! No, don't shock. It's correct, Ray, what you say. It’s very discreet. Ray is a very discreet person. No doubt about it. He has tremendous discretion. And that's what you should use: What to say to anyone and how far to say. It’s a very discreet method. And you must know how to compromise also. You should not be something like a cynic. You must learn to compromise. You must learn to compromise. And understand [that] they are people who are not yet Realised. You are Realised, you are grown into it, you are much more matured. So you have to be much more gentle with them and not to show off to them [that] they feel small. Like somebody is asking a question, maybe stupid, may be, possibly. Doesn't matter, he's not Realised. And if you laugh at him sarcastically or make fun of him, naturally you lose him. You are not to lose these people. You have to get them in, and that is their right, they are seekers. They are seekers. We have to really understand this with great compassion and love for them. They are seekers. We have to work it on them, not to just laugh at them or make fun of them or in any way to put them down. On the contrary, show them due respect because they are seekers as you were. Before that what we were? What sort of people we were? How many arguments we have had with Mother? How stupid we have been? We just forget all that and suddenly we become very wise. No! Wisdom lies in understanding that they have to have their enlightenment. They haven't got it as yet. They have to grow in that light. This is the problem. Now you have to use your discretion. There's no need to ask me. I will know from your mistakes, where you have done mistakes. But consult each other, consult each other. Talk to each other absolutely freely. There's nothing to be hidden amongst Sahaja Yogis. Nothing to be hidden among Sahaja Yogis. But with elders, with other people, be respectful. Maybe you being young are more active in Sahaja Yoga. Maybe children are still not so developed in it. We have to take all of them together, not to be unkind by any kind of sarcasm because I have told you a hundred times and hundred and eight times now: sarcasm has no place in Sahaja Yoga. This is no way of joking! It's a very sly method. Nobody should beat also, in the same way. It's just the same, other side of the coin. Beating or shouting or putting up your head like this on other people, like this. Many people have a habit of putting their heads like this when they talk to others. Or French people have a very bad habit of putting their face like this. I was surprised. Anybody you talk to ... means nothing goes into his head. I said, “What's happening here?” Is he like a duck? And you say anything, again they will say another thing. I mean, everything has a tail coming out. So is that these are our tails? We should understand that. We should not put up ourselves to such barriers but accept things as they are. And those who have, who come to you, don't get angry with them because by talking or argument you are not going to convince them but by only by Sahaja Yoga. Try to give them Realisation. Do not argue! Some people think, “If you talk to them sweetly, if you are sympathetic.” No! Also that doesn't work out. You go on wasting your time with them, and they'll go away. They’ll not be there. Where is their Kundalini? How far is it rising? That's the point you should see. Instead of just trying to be very nice to them, then discussion, then this. No use! Waste of time. In the same way if you are angry with that person and argue; it's also wrong. Both are a waste of time. But be gentle and kind and see where is the Kundalini. Best is to use photographs. And please do not start curing people. Otherwise, I'll find all the sick patients in Sahaja Yoga. They are not to cure. It's finished now. Better not do it. What's the use of curing these people? They are so ungrateful. They have no sense at all and they don't want to do Sahaja Yoga. We are not interested in such useless people. Those who come to Sahaja Yoga will improve in their health automatically. You don't have to give them any treatment. They can work it out on the photograph, that’s all. That's the end of it. Sit down! Now, what any other? Maureen? Mark [Rossi], ask some sensible questions. You are good. They have been a very good husband and wife, I must say. Very happy with them. They are a good, ideal couple and I hope they keep it up. Also there are some people I know who are very much interested in getting everyone married. Now stop it! Till I come back you don't have all these things. Otherwise the mind, it becomes a marriage bureau. Some people have a specialty about it. Instead of loving others' children, also create your own children. Some people like to play with others' children. It's also not good. Better have your own children. That doesn't mean you just love your own children. But that's how they get that thing satisfied and they don't want to have children and then who's going to bear the children who want to come on this earth? That's a big responsibility. What else? Ask one or two questions. Gavin, please ask some questions. It's two minutes more. Gavin Brown: How do we prevent Sahaja Yoga from becoming a cult? Shri Mataji: What is it? Gavin Brown: How do we prevent Sahaja Yoga from becoming a cult? Shri Mataji: Yes, it's possible. Because, you see, you think, “I'm catching. I'm catching.” This madness has come also in Sahaja Yogis. This will become really cultish stuff! It will really become a cult. Nonsense! What are you catching? You are pure vibrations. You give Realisation to anyone - none of your chakras catch anybody else. Everybody thinks, “I'm pure,” - what it is they say? Holier than holy! What is catching? What? All such dainty darlings are no good. “I am catching. I ! You have to be brave warriors. What is catching? “I don't want to give vibrations with this catching. I don't want to do it.” All right, use the photograph to begin with. But if you have to do it, you should not be frightened. You are swords! It is true, Gavin, what you said. It's very true. But you look after that part - that none of them should become that, “I am catching this and I am catching that.” And “I don't like this and I don't like Sahaja Yogis doing this.” This is all wrong. This will make a big cult out of it. Of course, that's not possible. You try such tricks and you will know what it means! That won't be possible though. But be careful; you will go out of gear. Nobody has to form a cult. Everybody who is coming to Sahaja Yoga has to be absolutely with both the arms stretched out, “Come along!” Just like your Mother. I should be the greatest cult myself. Why should I bother about anybody else? This catching business should drop out from your mouth. Everybody comes and says, “I caught it from him.” “I caught up from them.” I am amazed! How can you catch up from anyone? What are you? A dainty darling or what? Now no more it is going to be tolerated! “I caught up from that.” Go and beat yourself with shoes. If you are such a dainty darling that’s what you deserve! You know how to do it! (laughing) Nobody should say, “I am catching.” Also neglect these things completely. The more your attention you pay them, the more they will sit on your head. Just neglect and go ahead. What Paul has pointed out is true. This is very common in England, not in India. Nobody says that, nobody. I've not heard one person saying, “I am catching from that person.” Never! They say, “This is my weakness so I must have felt for that.” They never say like that. This is [your] speciality - putting the blame on others. This is typical ego style business. Put the blame on others! As if you are pure and you have caught up from another. It's your weakness. That's all what you should think about. You are brave people. You have to be very, very brave. Without bravery how are we going to do Sahaja Yoga? Just tell me. You have to love with bravery. In love you don't think and consider and all these things - you just go ahead. Such a powerful thing to love someone. That “Such person should not be there and such person should not do that" - nothing! Now those people who come for the first time, or are not so much - they may not have proper protocol - that doesn't mean that you get after their heads. Otherwise, it will become a cult. The first thing is consideration of others! And understanding that they are not Realised, they are not enlightened. This is very important. You must understand this. They are not enlightened as yet. They have not got their vibrations. They haven't got their vibratory awareness. To get angry with them is wrong, absolutely wrong. What else now? That's a good point. One more point you can ask me because some people are coming. Also do not allow your weaknesses to sit on your heads. For example, some people have a habit of telling me, “Mother I had this, I was this, I went there and still that is lingering into me.” Then you are absolutely useless! Why don't you take it out? Finish off. Like that. “Still I have been to this yogi, I've been to that yogi. I have done this, I have done that.” It’s done! Finished! In the present time you are pure Spirit. Become that. What is there to be proud of these nonsensical things? They are no parallel to Spirit. When the Spirit shines the darkness has to go away. If there is still darkness that means something wrong with you, and if you are wrong, then what are you boasting about? I mean, people have a habit of boasting! Try to be alert and loving; loving and alert. You have to be really alert. What else? Yogini: [unclear] Shri Mataji: It's a little personal question, isn't it? I'll tell you separately, all right? Because this is not the problem of many, all right? General problems should be solved. This is very personal. It's pertaining to you. What else? Man: If I follow you, do I have to give up friends who...? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, not at all. Why should you? On the contrary you’ll want all your friends to come and join us. You don't follow me; you follow your Self only. It's a question of not giving up but your priorities change because your awareness changes. Like I could say that if you take a horse through the streets of Paris, he would not notice anything. For him any dirty place, filthy place, is the same as the any street. If you take a man or a woman, she will notice prostitutes standing on the street. He may be repelled towards them, may not be repelled also, possibly. Mostly he would not be repelled. But if you take a saint or a Sahaja Yogi, he'll have compassion for a prostitute but he will know that she has to learn herself. And he won't go near her. When she will come to him, he can pardon her and look after her. But there is no involvement in her, in no way. So the awareness changes. You start giving up things which are not spontaneous, which are not living, which are dead. You start living a living life. It automatically works out. You don't give-up. On the contrary you get new friends, lots of. They are all your friends and brothers once you get it. Because the language changes, the style changes. You have the light; they are dark and black. They are still in darkness. So they are fumbling, while you see the things straight. You can help them. But if they are fumbling and trying pull you down, you will say, “No, I can't come that way. Now I'm changed.” You are changed, and they are not yet changed - that's the point. It's transformation, actual, that happens within us. You don't have to give up, not at all. On the contrary, you must meet other people, you must talk to other people. But, for example, if you have other friends who are anti-God, you won't be able to tolerate their company and they won't be friends anymore. I will think, “They are not my friends. They are anti-God. They are anti-love.” You would not like to waste your time with them, having a whisky party or something. You would not like. What a waste! You would not like. But you may be with them but you may not like. Many people do like that, I have seen. Many people even after coming to Sahaja Yoga try to spend their time with other people. Some of them do it because they have to do it. I know, I have a double life myself. But My life is such that wherever I am, I am with myself. But Sahaja Yogis try to change, I have seen. They spend more time with Sahaja Yogis than with other people like brothers, sisters, cousins. They start changing that. Either the brothers, sisters, cousins try taking more interest in Sahaja Yoga, or they don't enjoy their company. It's just they may go just to visit or to see someone but they don't like their company, they don't enjoy their company so much. It happens like that, because you are enlightened people. Like drunkards: they don't like non-drinking people. And non-drinking people don't like drunkards. If you go with the drunkards, you are frightened. And mad people like mad people. It's like that. So then the company changes. And if you don't change, you really don't enjoy Sahaja Yoga really into its fullest extent. But there's no cult as such. You are saintly people. You are saints. So saints talk in different language. Yes, they are much more congenial and happy with the saints. But they would like to meet people and talk to them and try to bring them, because we have to bring such a lot of people to Sahaja Yoga. But you should not waste your energies with people who do not matter in God's work. You don't feel like. I mean, I don't say that “You don’t!”If you have to go to see somebody, I don't say, “You don’t!” But it happens with some people. And such people can go down because they have influences on these people, and it happens like that. Your priorities change. You only then start enjoying whatever is God's style. You don't like something which is anti-God. Like I don't say, “Don't drink!” I don't say Ten Commandments, nothing. But it happens to you. There were so many people who were drug addicts who came to Sahaja Yoga. They gave up drugs. Now, how can they be with people who are taking drugs? So they started going to them and talking to them and they said, “We have given up drugs.” All right? There's somebody in Paris whose husband is drinking such a lot, and he is still a drug addict, and she is a Sahaja Yogini. But he comes to My programme, and I told that she should be very kind to him and gentle because he wants to give up. But a person who is dragging her, “You must also take a drug!” Then you don't like that aggression. I mean, you should be allowed to be non-smoking also, if you don't want to smoke. But they don't allow! For them it is difficult. They'll force you, “You must drink. You must smoke!” I mean, you must be knowing this that, if you go to any party, and if you don't drink, they think you are mad! And they'll go on asking, “Why don't you drink? At least take this, at least take this.” If you tell them even once, “Why do you drink?” “Oh, you don't drink?” - finished. Then you are the most anti-social person, you have no manners, nothing. I mean you are telling something nice but they'll go on forcing on you. You have to go on telling them that, “Oh, we don't drink. I don't drink. I don't like it. The Doctor has told me.” All sorts of lies you tell them but they'll go on forcing you. But even if you say once that, “Why do you drink?” or “Please don't drink.” - finished. You are the worst person in the whole world. This is such an aggression! Such an aggression. It's a very subtle aggression of these people who are licentious. It's funny sometimes, I tell you. Like we went to a party, and at that party there was a funny couple came in - that was a woman who was a keep and this and that, and it was a party of married women and married men. And the way the woman was on with everyone, I mean, nobody liked it, neither the women nor the men. And we didn't like that the man - why should he bring his keep there because it was not a party of keeps? But it's aggression. And she was so aggressive! She was saying, “What's the use of being married to a man after all?” She was just saying all kinds of things against us, those who were married women. “There's no use marrying men. I am very happy. I am a keep. He looks after me better. You better give up your husband and live as a keep with them.” She was just giving us a lecture on her status! And we could not say anything to her. But if we say that it's nice to be a married woman and to be virtuous, “Oh, they are the worst women. You are victorian! You are old-fashioned hag!” and all sorts of things will come on you! There's a very big aggression on saints. They can't talk. They can't say anything. While even your own brothers and sisters and mother and father and children will do that, “Oh, you are very old-fashioned. It's nonsense!” Like that. It's not easy to exist with virtue in this country especially, and in the Western countries because now I know what it is. My husband also doesn't drink so they tell him, “Oh, is it your wife who has forced you not to drink?” I mean, he said, “She doesn't say anything like that. Why do you blame Her?” Immediately [they say]. I mean, there's no shame about it of saying such a dirty thing! I mean, there is shamelessness, complete shamelessness about it. And not only drinking - all sorts of shamelessness goes about. You ask a lady, “Are you married?” “No! Why should I? I am not a fool like you!” It’s a typical answer. I mean, because you are married you have to look like a criminal! Because you are virtuous you should be crucified immediately. When you change that, with these people, you give up, naturally. I mean, you don't want to meet such people. And then they might say that you are cultish but it doesn't matter. I mean, we have to save ourselves. I mean, we do not want certificates from them! The certificate has to come from God, not from these people. They are incapable of giving us certificates. That you know very well. So should we start? Something else? Who are the new people today, for the first time? You? I am sorry I had to say all these things because today was the meeting of the Sahaja Yogis in the beginning. And we are all going to enter into the same Realm and it will be handy for you to know what is expected of Sahaja Yogis, and with that expectation I request you not to pay attention to what I have said, much. You should not be frightened. It's not that frightening. You'll like it later on very much! What I have said it, you see. So come forward. Those who have come for the first time, please come forward. You come for the first time? All right. Come forward! Will be better idea. No, no, here, on the chair. On the first row of chairs. Will be a good idea. Yes. Actually, it happens that your religion gets enlightened. You become that. Then you can't help it. What to do? I mean you don't have to tell, “Don't do! Don't do!” It just happens. You just can't do it. It's so helpful, isn't it? You just can't do it. You don't feel like doing it! Because if you are enjoying your Spirit you don't feel like doing nonsensical things. It is better to get it and see for yourself what happens. All right? That's the best way to give it a full chance. Those who have come for the first time do come forward. You’ve come for the first time? Please come forward. No! You are not for the first time! Let her come forward here. You are all for the first time here? No. You can go one step backward, is a good idea. You see, you can receive my vibrations even from there where Kingsley is. Isn’t it Kingsley? Aren’t you receiving my vibrations? Much more! Yes that’s it. Now this is a system which is built within us. That's why it is called as ‘Sahaja’. This is what is the system within us that exists. ‘Sahaja’ means ‘born with you’. This is all born with you. You have achieved it. It's all within you. It's a system that is built into this or built into that. In the same way it's a system built into you. You are just ready. You are to be put to the mains. That's all is the job is. For putting to the mains also there’s something built into you. If you see the triangular bone called as ‘sacrum’, means ‘sacred bone’, this Kundalini is there. This is the one that gives you your rebirth. By rebirth what happens [is] that your awareness, which is human awareness, becomes enlightened by your Spirit. Your Spirit comes into your awareness. So far your Spirit is not. Your Spirit knows all about you. It is in your heart. But you do not know about It. So what happens [is] this Spirit, which is enjoying itself, enlightens your awareness and you get a new awareness by which you start feeling a cool breeze in your hand, a cool breeze in your hand. And this cool breeze, for the first time, on your central nervous system starts flowing. So you feel it, actually you feel it. Now the enlightenment takes place of all these centres which are within you, which are there because of our evolutionary process. And these enlightened centres are on your fingers. They get enlightened too and you start feeling them within you. You start feeling your own centres and you start feeling the centres of others. Now this happening takes place within you of the Kundalini awakening just to attract your attention inside. Because your attention is outside, you cannot take it in. You know many people think, “You put your attention here, you put your attention there.” - it’s all wrong. It has to be spontaneously attracted inside and it's done by this Kundalini, and Kundalini is just like a germinating primule within us, a seed. It just rises spontaneously. And when it rises it breaks through here. And this is what is the real Baptism. You really feel it here coming out. You can feel the cool breeze coming out. You can feel the cool breeze from your hands. This is real Baptism that John the Baptist wanted people to have, and that Christ talked about. All the religions have taught us to be in the centre. When they said, “Don't do this, don't do that,” they did not want to condition us but to tell us that how we are going to be in the centre. And when we are in the centre then what happens to us [is] that you get the desire to know your Spirit. And this desire is fulfilled through the awakening of the Kundalini. Now the Sahaja Yoga at this stage is really a Maha Yoga in the sense [that] it is the Great Yoga because many people can get Realisation. Thousands of people can get it because the blossom time has come. But even if they get Realisation, they are to be looked after, they are to be nourished, they are to be told about it. Everything should be decoded. You will be amazed - everything becomes so logical. Gradually you start understanding it. Your complete freedom is established. Nobody says that, “Don't do this!” Nothing is said. But you just don't do it - yourself! I will not tell you as Moses had to tell, poor thing. He had to face all the mad people. But no, after Realisation it just happens and you just don't do it. You will not do it. It just happens to you. It is nothing to be told. It just happens. It works out. This is what is Sahaja Yoga. In the beginning you have to be really ardent Sahaja Yogis. In the beginning you have to be. It's the beginning of Sahaja Yoga still in England, I would say. Really ardently attached to it by which you develop yourself very well and develop this tree of Sahaja Yoga in your own country. Because you have to save so many. The Last Judgment has started. It's started. Through Kundalini awakening only you judge yourself. You know what are the centres you are catching, what are your problems. You know what are the centres others are catching. You judge yourself. Supposing a person comes and tell me, “Mother, my Agnya is very bad.” Do you know what it means? That, “My ego has developed.” But [if] you tell somebody, “You have got an ego.” - you will have a punch on your head! But the person himself comes and says, “Mother, I see my ego.” You start seeing yourself. You start seeing your problems, because you are out of it. And then you can cure it also and make it better. You improve it and you are better. You judge yourself and you judge yourself with love and understanding. You don't hate yourself by that. It's only you, yourself. You are going to judge. Within you is the power of God that judges you, is the Spirit which tells you. A rapport is established with the Spirit. The Spirit itself will tell you, “This is the mistake, this is the problem.” We don't need anybody to tell us. It's only you who will know. It’s only you who will judge yourself. It’s only you who will grow yourself. It's your own freedom. It's your own Self. Your entire personality changes, entire personality changes. I have never told anybody not to take drugs as such, except for one or two people who were still carrying on. But also very mildly. And I told them how to get rid of it. But you just don't want to take them, just don't like it. You find it very filthy. You feel like vomiting. Just like that, the religion is enlightened in your stomach. That the time has come now for you to do it. That was the time when it was not so [then] they taught you how to do it. But today the time has come, it can work out. You are all just there. The completion of the whole creation has to come this way. It has to work out. But you cannot reason it out. But once you get it - because it’s beyond reason, it happens beyond reason; the Kundalini awakens not by reason, spontaneously, by master only - once it happens then the whole thing becomes logical. You see, there's a microscope, then you can see through it. But if there is not a microscope, you cannot understand. The ‘microscope’ is your Spirit. It's very simple. Now, I do not want to go into details about it. I think these people have been given… Gavin have you given them the papers and things? Let them see for themselves. Have you all got the papers? Have you got? No? Let her have. Let this lady have. You sit a little erect, all right? Straight, sit little straight. All right. You have to sit a little erect, not much, but a little erect. Not slouchy. Neither like this. Just sit straight. Put your hands like this, all of you. Just put your hands. Now close your eyes. Put your feet like this, little straight, on the ground. Not pressing much but they should be on the ground properly. Come in! Come! There are three, four seats. Here, in front. Yes. After Realisation you have to go very fast and try to understand it, otherwise you may lose your vibrations. That happens with some people. So be careful! It's a very, very delicate thing; it's very subtle. And because we are gross - suddenly we become subtle - if we do not catch up to it, we lose it also. So for one month after Realisation you have to be very, very careful and get hold of another Sahaja Yogis here and we also have an ashram here. We have to work it out. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes. It just works. Just close your eyes. Don't think about it. Don't think. It will work out without thinking. Put both the hands towards me, please. Both the hands like this. One of the centres that is catching in most of you is that you all feel guilty for nothing at all, for nothing at all. It's a fashion to feel guilty. So everybody starts feeling guilty for nothing at all. Or maybe we confess and this and that. Now I have to tell you that not to feel guilty at all. Say that, “I am not guilty.” Thrice you say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” This is also a myth that you feel guilty. That will help you a lot. Once you get your Realisation you have to also have the spiritual education to know how to handle this, how to handle this power. You are getting it because this is your own right, but you must know what you are getting. They've got it, all of them. All the Sahaja Yogis should receive vibrations and expose completely with their heart, absolutely. Just put it. Be meditative today. And you have to promise in your heart. You have to be much more active and ardent about Sahaja Yoga if you have to save your brothers and sisters. Only your heart can be binding, nothing else. Nothing else. It's only your heart. As you are attached to someone you love, you should be attached to your Spirit. Spirit you should love the most. Nobody is more important than your Spirit. Are you feeling any cool breeze in the hands? Not yet? Close your eyes. Have patience with yourself. One has to have patience. Close your eyes. Have patience! Just don't think. It will work out. Have patience with yourself! You put both the hands towards me, not meeting each other but towards me, separate. Put both the hands separately, not towards each other but towards me. Please put them towards me. Yes. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. And just leave it. Don't think about it. Don't worry about it. It will work. It's like just a flower becoming a fruit - spontaneously. Just close your eyes and put your hands towards me. Put your attention to your heart. Catch the joy part of it. Just heart. Just put your both the hands towards me only and just pay attention to your heart. It will work out. Are you feeling cool breeze? It's good, great. Just enjoy it. Just enjoy. Do not pay attention in one particular direction. Just leave it free. Just leave it free. Do not fix your attention anywhere. Just leave it free. It will work out. Gavin, organise for these people behind. Ask people to slowly come along. Keep your eyes shut. All new people please keep your eyes shut. They are going to check you. One by one, yes move on. Jill, come forward. Start moving in the centre. Yes. Good. Those Sahaja Yogis who want to get themselves also checked up, ask other Sahaja Yogis to do it. Magda, I think these three people are for the first time or what? Just see them, their vibrations. They haven’t felt it yet. Can you move a little coming up here. Marcus? Or who is there? Those who want to be checked. Also ask others to be checked. Douglas, go and check Dinesh. All of you must get checking! Those of you who want checking should raise your hands. Ask people to check you. Check her. Vishuddhi, Left Vishuddhis are horrible. I don’t know what to say. Hester [Spiro], you ask somebody to check you also. Peter [Pearce], you sit down. David [Spiro] you sit down! Get yourself checked! Linda [Pearce], Peter, all of you. Please. Because I am going away. Let everybody be checked - better is. Marcus? You be checked also. Better to get it done once for all. Get them checked. Who can check her? Ray [Harris]? Where is he? Go and check Hester. He’s got it? Kingsley you check Hester, it’s better. He (Ray) is a Jew (also) so it would be better! (laughing) Somebody else should do it it’s better. May God bless you! But everybody gets checked it’s better! John, you sit down. You get yourself checked. Sit down. Marcus? Is he checked? How are they? Now those who are checking should get themselves checked also, is a better idea. There should be nothing. ‘Prana’ - say the mantra for him. For her, Malcolm [Murdoch], ‘Prana’ is the mantra for her. Haa! Done. Just broken through. Haaa! Now this is to be judged a little by yourself. You should know. These are the small things that one should know. This gentleman? Why don’t you see this gentleman? Can you check John. John, put your left hand towards me and right hand outside. Felicity [Payment]. Somebody should check Felicity also. Brighton people should again get themselves rechecked afterwards. Everybody should get themselves rechecked. Somehow or other get yourself cleared out. Every one of you. Gavin you also get yourself checked. Everybody should get yourself checked. That's the best way. And we should be thankful to people for checking us and giving us vibrations. Instead of getting angry and upset. How are the children? Jane [Brown] bring her. Is she alright? Bring her here. How is it? Let everybody check today and give bandhans. What about this gentleman? He’s got it? He’s Ray’s father, he should get it. Tell him not to feel guilty about anything! You are facing Mother who loves you! Just say, “Mother I am not guilty.” Just say that. What guilt can you people have? Jill? Coming? Haaa! Alright Jill? It’s come up. How is she? Don’t talk. Just raise the Kundalini. Just raise the Kundalini. You give him a bandhan. Chaya, tumse karab dekho. Regis, you also get yourself checked and others should check and you check others. Every one of you. John, please put yourself into a bandhan. Now check other people. Come along. Those who have been checking sit down and those who have to be checked. You’ve done it? Have you done? You’ve got it? Have you felt anything? Did you feel any cool breeze? Good, great. Now close your eyes. Enjoy your Self. Now don’t stop at that! What do you say Malcolm? Better? What about this child?

"You Are Part of the Divine Being". Caxton Hall, London (UK), 1 December 1980. I could not accommodate all of you in my house then I thought better to come here all of you would fit here! And today is the last day for our Sahaj Yogis (before Mother’s trip to India). We have to understand certain very, very important things about ourselves and our organisation that is divine. Now, in broad lines I can tell you, not individual problems and individual things because you are no more individuals now. You have become part and parcel of the Divine Being and you are awakened cells and so in a broad way we must understand what we have to do about it. First thing, we have to know that we are Realised souls, and that you have got Realisation and that you are saints; that you have all the powers that a saint could have. No saint ever had more powers than you have, as it is, which is manifesting. No saint had any knowledge that you have today. You'll be amazed, none of the books which have been written so far have been able to tell you about the spiritual being that is within you as you have come to know through Sahaja Yoga. One has to accept it. It is so. Any one of them, whosoever has written any books - even, I would say, Adi Shankaracharya, he could not explain so many things which you know. But the quality of Adi Shankaracharya is very great, or people of his type, Markandeya or Buddha. The quality is very high because they are extremely pure people - purity. They have achieved individual salvation of a very high degree. While you have achieved your collective salvation better. But individually they are of a very, very high quality. I mean, they had no doubts about Divine Power, they had no doubts about God. They never had any doubts and they were very dignified. And they never bothered as to their petty problems of life. For them this was too petty to think about. Anything which is so petty, we spent so much time over it. I know we had to do it because, after all, we are human beings and are being into Sahaja Yoga with our human awareness and then we got our Realisation. So the purification time is very, very short. And while they had such a lot of time to purify themselves. Now, for example, Moses was an incarnation, a very pure form of a personality or, you can say, Jesus was an incarnation, absolutely purest form of incarnation. But they are there to be our ideals while what we have done is to become, from human beings, a prophet. So, you understand both the things very well, what the weaknesses human beings have, what are their problems, how they get away from reality, how they are deluded. But still we do not use our vibratory power as we should use. And this is what point I want to tell you, that you all have vibratory powers. When we start using our vibratory powers also we do not know what dignity, protocol we should have for using this power. It is the power of the Deities within us and it's a ritual by which we get their power working in it, in us, sorry. As you know that people of ancient times did lot of miracles through this power but they were very dignified people. There was no frivolousness in their character and not useless problems within them, absolutely of no spiritual value. When you use your vibratory awareness, you should not use them for useless powers like, for example, going to a cinema and there's a traffic and you think that there's a traffic so you must use your vibratory powers to reach that place. Because it's frivolous; it does not matter. In Sahaja Yoga, it does not matter whether you go to a cinema or not. What matters is what are your spiritual powers, how far you have come in your spirituality. It (the cinema) does not matter at all. You are a saint, and what saintliness you are achieving within you is the main problem. Otherwise, all the rest of the things that you have, has no meaning. Or all these problems have no meaning in spirituality. So, all the Sahaja Yogis must realise that you are now newly born and you are people of new awareness and you have to have that dignity. For example, people- I'll just give an example because I was discussing with someone today that, when you give somebody a sort of a bandhan, you just turn your hand like this or like that. This is not the way it should be done. Your hands itself are to be respected because these are the hands of a saint. And all the deities reside on your hands and fingers so when you have to give them bandhan or anything, you have to use them properly. Use them in such a way that it’s dignified to do it. Any indignity or cheap behaviour should be absolutely avoided. Then dealing with each other you have to know that you are all now in the circulation of Divine Power. You have to respect each other and really love each other. You must respect because you are all saints. Every saint must respect another saint. That's the minimum of minimum. And if you do not respect each other, your chakras will go out of order, especially Vishuddhi because it's the collective thing. And also Mother's Chakra will go out because your sense of security is your collectivity. And the love between each other has to be not only looked after but is to be nourished and to be worshipped and o be - it should be a virtue. You should not treat each other as human beings treat each other. No! It's a precious thing. And even while talking to anyone very close, say, your brother, sister, husband, wife, you must respect, you must respect, otherwise, it has no meaning. You must respect your parents much more than you ever respected because they are Sahaja Yogis, because they are saints and they are your parents. Respect is the keynote of relationship with each other to begin with. And respect without love has no meaning. Respect and love for each other. For somebody is highly placed in life, somebody is lowly placed in life, in Sahaja Yoga it does not matter. How much you earn, what is your position in life, where you live is not important. The main important thing is that we are one and we are the people who have become now prophets and we are the ones who have got the powers to raise the Kundalini of others and such a power has come into us because our Mother loves us very much and it is our duty that we should love each other. And how I respect you? I need not because you know that there's a big gap between you and me. But I respect you because you are saints. And where the saints are not respected that country goes to dogs. So, first of all you must learn how to respect each other. And that is a very, very important training we should have. Whether he's your husband or wife, whether he's your brother or sister, father, mother or child, because he's a saint - respect! But I do not know how you will react to this one that immediately you start thinking about people who do not respect you. Think how many people you do not respect. It's a typical ego-oriented reaction that immediately we start thinking, “Oh, that man does not respect me! That man does not respect!” But just think how many people you have not respected yourself. When I am not here, I am here much more. I have not been to Australia, and you know how tremendously these people have come up - so pure and so good and so fantastic. But that has not happened so much here because I had to work, really labour here. Not that England is that bad. But all the time to feel that, “Mother is around. We’ll put all our problems to Her and She can solve them.” Even small, small problems you ring to me - it's all right - but now you are capable of solving your problems as well as solving the problems of others. Unless it is something fundamental you need not bother about me and you need not also ask me about it. You can go ahead with it now. But you must think everything in the terms of Sahaja Yoga by which - how much, by that, you are doing for Sahaja Yoga? How much you are working out for Sahaja Yoga? This was the meeting of the Sahaja Yogis today. And fundamentally we have to understand one thing: that we have to grow and we have to let others grow with our growth. Not by curbing our growth, but with our growth. You'll only grow if you make others grow with you. Otherwise, there will be no growth. Now, whatever I say goes into the books, sometimes into the brains of the people. It has to go into the heart. The whole Sahaja Yoga system works on the heart; that is the Spirit. Spirit is the thing I'm talking about. It’s the Spirit [that] is happy by that. Some people, I am told, are using their hands like a weapon and all that. This is very dangerous! You are not supposed to do all this for yourself. You are still saints, you are not yet gods! So don't try such things. Some people have a habit of also hitting a person with the hand like that. In my presence, if I say, it’s all right. But otherwise you should not. You have to respect. Use all tender and gentle methods, never anything by which you show any disrespect to a saint. Of course, you are hitting the negativity in another person, I know that. But you have no business to do that or to discard anyone or to put somebody out of this thing. You will go down very much. This is a serious thing one must understand. You have all the powers you know how far to go. You must keep to your maryadas. Don't go beyond, because these things give you ego, and ego is the most dangerous thing which we face always. Try to improve your language. Be gentle. Be very gentle with each other. I expect that you'll have many more people by the time I come. I expect fantastic things from you. I don't know if I should but I have given you something so fantastic, so tremendous. It is unbelievable. I expect it from you, no doubt, because you are specially selected and I have worked with you for years together. You have got the tapes in English. French people, poor things, they don't have tapes in French and they have to be translated. They haven't got a book in French and they have big problems of understanding me. But how dedicated they were, how deep they are. Each one of them came and said, “Mother, I love You very much. I love You.” “I have many defects and I offer myself to You. Will you accept me?” All of them said this way. Just imagine! I mean, I was surprised how they were saying all these things to me and the way they were understanding their defects within themselves. Now, we have to change our mode of behaviour towards financial, material, emotional, physical and all these things. For example, say, one is married - marriages should be successful. If your marriage is not successful and happy, you are not going to be blessed, not at all. Try to make your marriage very happy and successful. That's very important. Marriage is the institution established by Adi Shakti. You cannot dishonour it. Do not play frivolously with your marriages. Then you must also allow the children to be born to you so that you get great souls coming down on this earth by which we are giving them a chance, a very good chance, to lead a very happy life. But if husbands, wives are not happy, and even if Realised-souls are born, they have a trouble with you and they do not prosper well and they have problems. So, first of all, create a family of happiness and joy. Some people think if they get away from Sahaja Yogis, they'll make a good, happy married life. It's absolutely wrong! Absolutely wrong! If you cannot make a happy married life in the ashram, you cannot make it anywhere else. First try in the ashram. [It’s] worth trying. Otherwise, you cannot make it. Because then you understand how you share your life with others and your married life. Any such thing like any material thing, like getting a house or getting this thing, that thing is not so important. Your house should be clean within yourself, your temple of your heart. We are not here to build houses, not to accumulate money. We are here to build our temples within ourselves. The real temples which are growing, which are the living temples of living God within us. So, these material things are important up to a point, not more than that. Most important is not how you are substantiated by Sahaja Yoga but how much you have substantiated Sahaja Yoga through. Many people think, “We should get a good house because we have come to Mataji.” Yes, you do get. You get good jobs. All right. You get it. You get your financial conditions improved. All right. Everything happens to you. But how much have you given to Sahaja Yoga? In the way: how much have you substantiated? People think sometimes that if they donate money that's sufficient. It’s not. To enrich it with your heart, with your lovingness, with your friendship, with your sweet understanding of each other, enjoyment of each other's company in the purest form, not with any purpose or with any intention of getting any low type of joy or low type of happiness from someone ego-oriented or sex-oriented. But it's pure joy, pure joy. Purity is the theme we have to take to. We have to try to be purer and purer. And the purity will be shown brilliantly on your faces, in your behaviour, in the whole being as you would be. Your presence itself will show that you are Sahaja Yogis. You won't have to certify. You won't have to wear some special dresses to say, but people will know from your faces that you are saints, from your behaviour. You have to stand back in the last queue. You should be the people who should look at things. You should not be the first, unique, to getting into the thing first, to getting into the queue first. No, you are the last because you are with yourself. They are not. They have not [got] their own securities. They are trying to find securities in these things. You have your own securities. Change, according to the Spirit, all your priorities, and then joy is your own. I really expect fantastic things from you and I hope you all will join together and work it out and create something fantastic. I don't know how to tell individually about things but as it is I have already spoken to these Sahaja Yogis in Paris and I have told them that Sahaja Yoga is a very speedy thing. And it's very speedy. It's such a speed and if you do not keep with the speed of Sahaja Yoga, you'll be thrown out. You have to keep to the speed of Sahaja Yoga. Those who cannot keep by some method or other, or [who] get locked up by something or some misidentification, will drop out. You'll only grow when you will keep to the speed of Sahaja Yoga. It is going to be tremendous in India. I know these five years are going to be tremendous in Australia. England maybe; depending on your people putting up the speed. It's going to be tremendously speedy and you have to understand that, "Drop out all your shackles and drop out all your misidentifications, all nonsenses of fanaticism or of misidentifications that you are British, this, that, all this". And just become Sahaja Yogis and universal beings. It's very important. The time has come now. From next year it will start. So, I wish you a very Happy New Year and a very, very happy and cheerful Christmas. May God bless you. Now we have to await for other people who will be coming now but [if] any Sahaja Yogis have any problems or any questions should ask now till other programme will start. Can you have some chair nearby to talk to them? I think a simple one will do, it’s too elaborate to more. Douglas wants to move the whole big thing? Just an ordinary chair, Douglas, is alright for me. He wants to move the big one. Ask me questions, very important, on to small, small things. Later on, “Mother said so,” or, “Mother said so,” should not be there. Sahaja Yogis should ask because new people who have come, who have not got yet Realisation should wait for a while because I am just dealing with the Sahaja Yogis. And then we'll start our programme after just, say, ten minutes. Is it all right for new people? Just put it (the chair) here. Douglas Fry: Should we bring it further forward? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. I am alright. Just bring it nearer here. Now, I want Sahaja Yogis to ask me questions. It is important. Sahaja yogis should ask me questions. Please. You have to do everything with consultation with each other. No group should be formed separately. Ask me questions. Come along! What's the matter? Don. You’re getting thoughtless. Then, “Mother said like this,” and “Mother says like this,” and “Mother has told..” - this should be stopped. You see, actually we think outside going, outside doing is the way. No! Inside! Grow inside. Certain things I am going to write it down so that there's no confusion about things but, till I come back, the ashram system should go as it is today. Then when I come back we'll change it. But just now it's all right as it is. Nobody should take new steps. If you get a house or something, all right, you take a house. But better thing is to stick on to ashram for the time being, look after it and substantiate. I mean [if] somebody is allotting you a house, it’s all right. But you need not take a house on rent or something to get out of ashram. That's the escape. Ray Harris: I often find that it’s better to - after telling them the basics of Sahaja Yoga - to wait for them to tell you. And in what they say and their vibrations, what is it that they want to know, rather than really telling them everything. Shri Mataji: No, no. You should be very discreet. As I have told you in one of My lectures that there are three groups of Sahaja Yogis. One are the people who are in the inner circle. Most of you are here. You need not tell them many things. Everything need not be told. That is being not dishonest but that you are discreet. I mean, you need not tell everything. That's a wrong thing. Discretion is to be used. Then the second type are the people who are Sahaja Yogis but yet not there. Still [who] are doubting and still are not so developed. Their Kundalini is not up there. They are still [a] funny type. These are the people you have to be careful about. You need not tell them everything because they can't bear the Truth. They are not yet ready. Unless and until the Kundalini has reached a certain stage they cannot bear it. The sooner you start doing that, the worse they will become. Their doubts will be more because this is too much for them to bear. So you have to wait, wait and see for yourself. That should not be done. Just talk about Sahaja Yoga, direct. You need not talk about me. Now how will they understand me? I mean, you cannot understand me, how can they understand? The other day somebody asked me that, “Kundalini rises with such difficulties, and they had to purify yourself and all that, and here how my Kundalini has risen like this. Mother? How could it be?” I said, “It has risen or not?” He said, “Yes.” “You feel it?” “Yes, yes, I have. It is risen.” Then I said, “There must be something with me. All right?” He said, “That's what I was wondering that must be something about Mother. How is it that She's done it?” I said, "There is something. All right. So just now you need not find out. Just now you find out about yourself. Let it grow. Because I do not want to shock you. There is something about me, no doubt.” And one of them was saying that, “It's such a miraculous thing that my sinus has gone, I am feeling so much better. My drugs I have given up. I'm so much better and so fantastic that I can't believe it. How can it be? I tried all kinds of medicines, I went to the hospital, I did this, I did that, I had an operation. Nothing worked out. And how is it this simple thing like Sahaja Yoga has worked out?” I said, “It is too simple but it is to the point. It's so precise. It acts. It is something that acts.” “But how is it?” I said, “It does!” Like we were going to Paris. They announced that the temperature of Paris is zero degrees. So, Christine was sitting next to me rather worried. I said, “Don't you worry! It is going to improve.” Within fifteen days they said, “Suddenly the temperature has gone up five degrees!” Today London's temperature has gone up after my coming here. It works but they are surprised how it is working. After all, all these things are promised. The time has come. But you need not tell them! No, don't shock. It's correct, Ray, what you say. It’s very discreet. Ray is a very discreet person. No doubt about it. He has tremendous discretion. And that's what you should use: What to say to anyone and how far to say. It’s a very discreet method. And you must know how to compromise also. You should not be something like a cynic. You must learn to compromise. You must learn to compromise. And understand [that] they are people who are not yet Realised. You are Realised, you are grown into it, you are much more matured. So you have to be much more gentle with them and not to show off to them [that] they feel small. Like somebody is asking a question, maybe stupid, may be, possibly. Doesn't matter, he's not Realised. And if you laugh at him sarcastically or make fun of him, naturally you lose him. You are not to lose these people. You have to get them in, and that is their right, they are seekers. They are seekers. We have to really understand this with great compassion and love for them. They are seekers. We have to work it on them, not to just laugh at them or make fun of them or in any way to put them down. On the contrary, show them due respect because they are seekers as you were. Before that what we were? What sort of people we were? How many arguments we have had with Mother? How stupid we have been? We just forget all that and suddenly we become very wise. No! Wisdom lies in understanding that they have to have their enlightenment. They haven't got it as yet. They have to grow in that light. This is the problem. Now you have to use your discretion. There's no need to ask me. I will know from your mistakes, where you have done mistakes. But consult each other, consult each other. Talk to each other absolutely freely. There's nothing to be hidden amongst Sahaja Yogis. Nothing to be hidden among Sahaja Yogis. But with elders, with other people, be respectful. Maybe you being young are more active in Sahaja Yoga. Maybe children are still not so developed in it. We have to take all of them together, not to be unkind by any kind of sarcasm because I have told you a hundred times and hundred and eight times now: sarcasm has no place in Sahaja Yoga. This is no way of joking! It's a very sly method. Nobody should beat also, in the same way. It's just the same, other side of the coin. Beating or shouting or putting up your head like this on other people, like this. Many people have a habit of putting their heads like this when they talk to others. Or French people have a very bad habit of putting their face like this. I was surprised. Anybody you talk to ... means nothing goes into his head. I said, “What's happening here?” Is he like a duck? And you say anything, again they will say another thing. I mean, everything has a tail coming out. So is that these are our tails? We should understand that. We should not put up ourselves to such barriers but accept things as they are. And those who have, who come to you, don't get angry with them because by talking or argument you are not going to convince them but by only by Sahaja Yoga. Try to give them Realisation. Do not argue! Some people think, “If you talk to them sweetly, if you are sympathetic.” No! Also that doesn't work out. You go on wasting your time with them, and they'll go away. They’ll not be there. Where is their Kundalini? How far is it rising? That's the point you should see. Instead of just trying to be very nice to them, then discussion, then this. No use! Waste of time. In the same way if you are angry with that person and argue; it's also wrong. Both are a waste of time. But be gentle and kind and see where is the Kundalini. Best is to use photographs. And please do not start curing people. Otherwise, I'll find all the sick patients in Sahaja Yoga. They are not to cure. It's finished now. Better not do it. What's the use of curing these people? They are so ungrateful. They have no sense at all and they don't want to do Sahaja Yoga. We are not interested in such useless people. Those who come to Sahaja Yoga will improve in their health automatically. You don't have to give them any treatment. They can work it out on the photograph, that’s all. That's the end of it. Sit down! Now, what any other? Maureen? Mark [Rossi], ask some sensible questions. You are good. They have been a very good husband and wife, I must say. Very happy with them. They are a good, ideal couple and I hope they keep it up. Also there are some people I know who are very much interested in getting everyone married. Now stop it! Till I come back you don't have all these things. Otherwise the mind, it becomes a marriage bureau. Some people have a specialty about it. Instead of loving others' children, also create your own children. Some people like to play with others' children. It's also not good. Better have your own children. That doesn't mean you just love your own children. But that's how they get that thing satisfied and they don't want to have children and then who's going to bear the children who want to come on this earth? That's a big responsibility. What else? Ask one or two questions. Gavin, please ask some questions. It's two minutes more. Gavin Brown: How do we prevent Sahaja Yoga from becoming a cult? Shri Mataji: What is it? Gavin Brown: How do we prevent Sahaja Yoga from becoming a cult? Shri Mataji: Yes, it's possible. Because, you see, you think, “I'm catching. I'm catching.” This madness has come also in Sahaja Yogis. This will become really cultish stuff! It will really become a cult. Nonsense! What are you catching? You are pure vibrations. You give Realisation to anyone - none of your chakras catch anybody else. Everybody thinks, “I'm pure,” - what it is they say? Holier than holy! What is catching? What? All such dainty darlings are no good. “I am catching. I ! You have to be brave warriors. What is catching? “I don't want to give vibrations with this catching. I don't want to do it.” All right, use the photograph to begin with. But if you have to do it, you should not be frightened. You are swords! It is true, Gavin, what you said. It's very true. But you look after that part - that none of them should become that, “I am catching this and I am catching that.” And “I don't like this and I don't like Sahaja Yogis doing this.” This is all wrong. This will make a big cult out of it. Of course, that's not possible. You try such tricks and you will know what it means! That won't be possible though. But be careful; you will go out of gear. Nobody has to form a cult. Everybody who is coming to Sahaja Yoga has to be absolutely with both the arms stretched out, “Come along!” Just like your Mother. I should be the greatest cult myself. Why should I bother about anybody else? This catching business should drop out from your mouth. Everybody comes and says, “I caught it from him.” “I caught up from them.” I am amazed! How can you catch up from anyone? What are you? A dainty darling or what? Now no more it is going to be tolerated! “I caught up from that.” Go and beat yourself with shoes. If you are such a dainty darling that’s what you deserve! You know how to do it! (laughing) Nobody should say, “I am catching.” Also neglect these things completely. The more your attention you pay them, the more they will sit on your head. Just neglect and go ahead. What Paul has pointed out is true. This is very common in England, not in India. Nobody says that, nobody. I've not heard one person saying, “I am catching from that person.” Never! They say, “This is my weakness so I must have felt for that.” They never say like that. This is [your] speciality - putting the blame on others. This is typical ego style business. Put the blame on others! As if you are pure and you have caught up from another. It's your weakness. That's all what you should think about. You are brave people. You have to be very, very brave. Without bravery how are we going to do Sahaja Yoga? Just tell me. You have to love with bravery. In love you don't think and consider and all these things - you just go ahead. Such a powerful thing to love someone. That “Such person should not be there and such person should not do that" - nothing! Now those people who come for the first time, or are not so much - they may not have proper protocol - that doesn't mean that you get after their heads. Otherwise, it will become a cult. The first thing is consideration of others! And understanding that they are not Realised, they are not enlightened. This is very important. You must understand this. They are not enlightened as yet. They have not got their vibrations. They haven't got their vibratory awareness. To get angry with them is wrong, absolutely wrong. What else now? That's a good point. One more point you can ask me because some people are coming. Also do not allow your weaknesses to sit on your heads. For example, some people have a habit of telling me, “Mother I had this, I was this, I went there and still that is lingering into me.” Then you are absolutely useless! Why don't you take it out? Finish off. Like that. “Still I have been to this yogi, I've been to that yogi. I have done this, I have done that.” It’s done! Finished! In the present time you are pure Spirit. Become that. What is there to be proud of these nonsensical things? They are no parallel to Spirit. When the Spirit shines the darkness has to go away. If there is still darkness that means something wrong with you, and if you are wrong, then what are you boasting about? I mean, people have a habit of boasting! Try to be alert and loving; loving and alert. You have to be really alert. What else? Yogini: [unclear] Shri Mataji: It's a little personal question, isn't it? I'll tell you separately, all right? Because this is not the problem of many, all right? General problems should be solved. This is very personal. It's pertaining to you. What else? Man: If I follow you, do I have to give up friends who...? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, not at all. Why should you? On the contrary you’ll want all your friends to come and join us. You don't follow me; you follow your Self only. It's a question of not giving up but your priorities change because your awareness changes. Like I could say that if you take a horse through the streets of Paris, he would not notice anything. For him any dirty place, filthy place, is the same as the any street. If you take a man or a woman, she will notice prostitutes standing on the street. He may be repelled towards them, may not be repelled also, possibly. Mostly he would not be repelled. But if you take a saint or a Sahaja Yogi, he'll have compassion for a prostitute but he will know that she has to learn herself. And he won't go near her. When she will come to him, he can pardon her and look after her. But there is no involvement in her, in no way. So the awareness changes. You start giving up things which are not spontaneous, which are not living, which are dead. You start living a living life. It automatically works out. You don't give-up. On the contrary you get new friends, lots of. They are all your friends and brothers once you get it. Because the language changes, the style changes. You have the light; they are dark and black. They are still in darkness. So they are fumbling, while you see the things straight. You can help them. But if they are fumbling and trying pull you down, you will say, “No, I can't come that way. Now I'm changed.” You are changed, and they are not yet changed - that's the point. It's transformation, actual, that happens within us. You don't have to give up, not at all. On the contrary, you must meet other people, you must talk to other people. But, for example, if you have other friends who are anti-God, you won't be able to tolerate their company and they won't be friends anymore. I will think, “They are not my friends. They are anti-God. They are anti-love.” You would not like to waste your time with them, having a whisky party or something. You would not like. What a waste! You would not like. But you may be with them but you may not like. Many people do like that, I have seen. Many people even after coming to Sahaja Yoga try to spend their time with other people. Some of them do it because they have to do it. I know, I have a double life myself. But My life is such that wherever I am, I am with myself. But Sahaja Yogis try to change, I have seen. They spend more time with Sahaja Yogis than with other people like brothers, sisters, cousins. They start changing that. Either the brothers, sisters, cousins try taking more interest in Sahaja Yoga, or they don't enjoy their company. It's just they may go just to visit or to see someone but they don't like their company, they don't enjoy their company so much. It happens like that, because you are enlightened people. Like drunkards: they don't like non-drinking people. And non-drinking people don't like drunkards. If you go with the drunkards, you are frightened. And mad people like mad people. It's like that. So then the company changes. And if you don't change, you really don't enjoy Sahaja Yoga really into its fullest extent. But there's no cult as such. You are saintly people. You are saints. So saints talk in different language. Yes, they are much more congenial and happy with the saints. But they would like to meet people and talk to them and try to bring them, because we have to bring such a lot of people to Sahaja Yoga. But you should not waste your energies with people who do not matter in God's work. You don't feel like. I mean, I don't say that “You don’t!”If you have to go to see somebody, I don't say, “You don’t!” But it happens with some people. And such people can go down because they have influences on these people, and it happens like that. Your priorities change. You only then start enjoying whatever is God's style. You don't like something which is anti-God. Like I don't say, “Don't drink!” I don't say Ten Commandments, nothing. But it happens to you. There were so many people who were drug addicts who came to Sahaja Yoga. They gave up drugs. Now, how can they be with people who are taking drugs? So they started going to them and talking to them and they said, “We have given up drugs.” All right? There's somebody in Paris whose husband is drinking such a lot, and he is still a drug addict, and she is a Sahaja Yogini. But he comes to My programme, and I told that she should be very kind to him and gentle because he wants to give up. But a person who is dragging her, “You must also take a drug!” Then you don't like that aggression. I mean, you should be allowed to be non-smoking also, if you don't want to smoke. But they don't allow! For them it is difficult. They'll force you, “You must drink. You must smoke!” I mean, you must be knowing this that, if you go to any party, and if you don't drink, they think you are mad! And they'll go on asking, “Why don't you drink? At least take this, at least take this.” If you tell them even once, “Why do you drink?” “Oh, you don't drink?” - finished. Then you are the most anti-social person, you have no manners, nothing. I mean you are telling something nice but they'll go on forcing on you. You have to go on telling them that, “Oh, we don't drink. I don't drink. I don't like it. The Doctor has told me.” All sorts of lies you tell them but they'll go on forcing you. But even if you say once that, “Why do you drink?” or “Please don't drink.” - finished. You are the worst person in the whole world. This is such an aggression! Such an aggression. It's a very subtle aggression of these people who are licentious. It's funny sometimes, I tell you. Like we went to a party, and at that party there was a funny couple came in - that was a woman who was a keep and this and that, and it was a party of married women and married men. And the way the woman was on with everyone, I mean, nobody liked it, neither the women nor the men. And we didn't like that the man - why should he bring his keep there because it was not a party of keeps? But it's aggression. And she was so aggressive! She was saying, “What's the use of being married to a man after all?” She was just saying all kinds of things against us, those who were married women. “There's no use marrying men. I am very happy. I am a keep. He looks after me better. You better give up your husband and live as a keep with them.” She was just giving us a lecture on her status! And we could not say anything to her. But if we say that it's nice to be a married woman and to be virtuous, “Oh, they are the worst women. You are victorian! You are old-fashioned hag!” and all sorts of things will come on you! There's a very big aggression on saints. They can't talk. They can't say anything. While even your own brothers and sisters and mother and father and children will do that, “Oh, you are very old-fashioned. It's nonsense!” Like that. It's not easy to exist with virtue in this country especially, and in the Western countries because now I know what it is. My husband also doesn't drink so they tell him, “Oh, is it your wife who has forced you not to drink?” I mean, he said, “She doesn't say anything like that. Why do you blame Her?” Immediately [they say]. I mean, there's no shame about it of saying such a dirty thing! I mean, there is shamelessness, complete shamelessness about it. And not only drinking - all sorts of shamelessness goes about. You ask a lady, “Are you married?” “No! Why should I? I am not a fool like you!” It’s a typical answer. I mean, because you are married you have to look like a criminal! Because you are virtuous you should be crucified immediately. When you change that, with these people, you give up, naturally. I mean, you don't want to meet such people. And then they might say that you are cultish but it doesn't matter. I mean, we have to save ourselves. I mean, we do not want certificates from them! The certificate has to come from God, not from these people. They are incapable of giving us certificates. That you know very well. So should we start? Something else? Who are the new people today, for the first time? You? I am sorry I had to say all these things because today was the meeting of the Sahaja Yogis in the beginning. And we are all going to enter into the same Realm and it will be handy for you to know what is expected of Sahaja Yogis, and with that expectation I request you not to pay attention to what I have said, much. You should not be frightened. It's not that frightening. You'll like it later on very much! What I have said it, you see. So come forward. Those who have come for the first time, please come forward. You come for the first time? All right. Come forward! Will be better idea. No, no, here, on the chair. On the first row of chairs. Will be a good idea. Yes. Actually, it happens that your religion gets enlightened. You become that. Then you can't help it. What to do? I mean you don't have to tell, “Don't do! Don't do!” It just happens. You just can't do it. It's so helpful, isn't it? You just can't do it. You don't feel like doing it! Because if you are enjoying your Spirit you don't feel like doing nonsensical things. It is better to get it and see for yourself what happens. All right? That's the best way to give it a full chance. Those who have come for the first time do come forward. You’ve come for the first time? Please come forward. No! You are not for the first time! Let her come forward here. You are all for the first time here? No. You can go one step backward, is a good idea. You see, you can receive my vibrations even from there where Kingsley is. Isn’t it Kingsley? Aren’t you receiving my vibrations? Much more! Yes that’s it. Now this is a system which is built within us. That's why it is called as ‘Sahaja’. This is what is the system within us that exists. ‘Sahaja’ means ‘born with you’. This is all born with you. You have achieved it. It's all within you. It's a system that is built into this or built into that. In the same way it's a system built into you. You are just ready. You are to be put to the mains. That's all is the job is. For putting to the mains also there’s something built into you. If you see the triangular bone called as ‘sacrum’, means ‘sacred bone’, this Kundalini is there. This is the one that gives you your rebirth. By rebirth what happens [is] that your awareness, which is human awareness, becomes enlightened by your Spirit. Your Spirit comes into your awareness. So far your Spirit is not. Your Spirit knows all about you. It is in your heart. But you do not know about It. So what happens [is] this Spirit, which is enjoying itself, enlightens your awareness and you get a new awareness by which you start feeling a cool breeze in your hand, a cool breeze in your hand. And this cool breeze, for the first time, on your central nervous system starts flowing. So you feel it, actually you feel it. Now the enlightenment takes place of all these centres which are within you, which are there because of our evolutionary process. And these enlightened centres are on your fingers. They get enlightened too and you start feeling them within you. You start feeling your own centres and you start feeling the centres of others. Now this happening takes place within you of the Kundalini awakening just to attract your attention inside. Because your attention is outside, you cannot take it in. You know many people think, “You put your attention here, you put your attention there.” - it’s all wrong. It has to be spontaneously attracted inside and it's done by this Kundalini, and Kundalini is just like a germinating primule within us, a seed. It just rises spontaneously. And when it rises it breaks through here. And this is what is the real Baptism. You really feel it here coming out. You can feel the cool breeze coming out. You can feel the cool breeze from your hands. This is real Baptism that John the Baptist wanted people to have, and that Christ talked about. All the religions have taught us to be in the centre. When they said, “Don't do this, don't do that,” they did not want to condition us but to tell us that how we are going to be in the centre. And when we are in the centre then what happens to us [is] that you get the desire to know your Spirit. And this desire is fulfilled through the awakening of the Kundalini. Now the Sahaja Yoga at this stage is really a Maha Yoga in the sense [that] it is the Great Yoga because many people can get Realisation. Thousands of people can get it because the blossom time has come. But even if they get Realisation, they are to be looked after, they are to be nourished, they are to be told about it. Everything should be decoded. You will be amazed - everything becomes so logical. Gradually you start understanding it. Your complete freedom is established. Nobody says that, “Don't do this!” Nothing is said. But you just don't do it - yourself! I will not tell you as Moses had to tell, poor thing. He had to face all the mad people. But no, after Realisation it just happens and you just don't do it. You will not do it. It just happens to you. It is nothing to be told. It just happens. It works out. This is what is Sahaja Yoga. In the beginning you have to be really ardent Sahaja Yogis. In the beginning you have to be. It's the beginning of Sahaja Yoga still in England, I would say. Really ardently attached to it by which you develop yourself very well and develop this tree of Sahaja Yoga in your own country. Because you have to save so many. The Last Judgment has started. It's started. Through Kundalini awakening only you judge yourself. You know what are the centres you are catching, what are your problems. You know what are the centres others are catching. You judge yourself. Supposing a person comes and tell me, “Mother, my Agnya is very bad.” Do you know what it means? That, “My ego has developed.” But [if] you tell somebody, “You have got an ego.” - you will have a punch on your head! But the person himself comes and says, “Mother, I see my ego.” You start seeing yourself. You start seeing your problems, because you are out of it. And then you can cure it also and make it better. You improve it and you are better. You judge yourself and you judge yourself with love and understanding. You don't hate yourself by that. It's only you, yourself. You are going to judge. Within you is the power of God that judges you, is the Spirit which tells you. A rapport is established with the Spirit. The Spirit itself will tell you, “This is the mistake, this is the problem.” We don't need anybody to tell us. It's only you who will know. It’s only you who will judge yourself. It’s only you who will grow yourself. It's your own freedom. It's your own Self. Your entire personality changes, entire personality changes. I have never told anybody not to take drugs as such, except for one or two people who were still carrying on. But also very mildly. And I told them how to get rid of it. But you just don't want to take them, just don't like it. You find it very filthy. You feel like vomiting. Just like that, the religion is enlightened in your stomach. That the time has come now for you to do it. That was the time when it was not so [then] they taught you how to do it. But today the time has come, it can work out. You are all just there. The completion of the whole creation has to come this way. It has to work out. But you cannot reason it out. But once you get it - because it’s beyond reason, it happens beyond reason; the Kundalini awakens not by reason, spontaneously, by master only - once it happens then the whole thing becomes logical. You see, there's a microscope, then you can see through it. But if there is not a microscope, you cannot understand. The ‘microscope’ is your Spirit. It's very simple. Now, I do not want to go into details about it. I think these people have been given… Gavin have you given them the papers and things? Let them see for themselves. Have you all got the papers? Have you got? No? Let her have. Let this lady have. You sit a little erect, all right? Straight, sit little straight. All right. You have to sit a little erect, not much, but a little erect. Not slouchy. Neither like this. Just sit straight. Put your hands like this, all of you. Just put your hands. Now close your eyes. Put your feet like this, little straight, on the ground. Not pressing much but they should be on the ground properly. Come in! Come! There are three, four seats. Here, in front. Yes. After Realisation you have to go very fast and try to understand it, otherwise you may lose your vibrations. That happens with some people. So be careful! It's a very, very delicate thing; it's very subtle. And because we are gross - suddenly we become subtle - if we do not catch up to it, we lose it also. So for one month after Realisation you have to be very, very careful and get hold of another Sahaja Yogis here and we also have an ashram here. We have to work it out. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes. It just works. Just close your eyes. Don't think about it. Don't think. It will work out without thinking. Put both the hands towards me, please. Both the hands like this. One of the centres that is catching in most of you is that you all feel guilty for nothing at all, for nothing at all. It's a fashion to feel guilty. So everybody starts feeling guilty for nothing at all. Or maybe we confess and this and that. Now I have to tell you that not to feel guilty at all. Say that, “I am not guilty.” Thrice you say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” This is also a myth that you feel guilty. That will help you a lot. Once you get your Realisation you have to also have the spiritual education to know how to handle this, how to handle this power. You are getting it because this is your own right, but you must know what you are getting. They've got it, all of them. All the Sahaja Yogis should receive vibrations and expose completely with their heart, absolutely. Just put it. Be meditative today. And you have to promise in your heart. You have to be much more active and ardent about Sahaja Yoga if you have to save your brothers and sisters. Only your heart can be binding, nothing else. Nothing else. It's only your heart. As you are attached to someone you love, you should be attached to your Spirit. Spirit you should love the most. Nobody is more important than your Spirit. Are you feeling any cool breeze in the hands? Not yet? Close your eyes. Have patience with yourself. One has to have patience. Close your eyes. Have patience! Just don't think. It will work out. Have patience with yourself! You put both the hands towards me, not meeting each other but towards me, separate. Put both the hands separately, not towards each other but towards me. Please put them towards me. Yes. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. And just leave it. Don't think about it. Don't worry about it. It will work. It's like just a flower becoming a fruit - spontaneously. Just close your eyes and put your hands towards me. Put your attention to your heart. Catch the joy part of it. Just heart. Just put your both the hands towards me only and just pay attention to your heart. It will work out. Are you feeling cool breeze? It's good, great. Just enjoy it. Just enjoy. Do not pay attention in one particular direction. Just leave it free. Just leave it free. Do not fix your attention anywhere. Just leave it free. It will work out. Gavin, organise for these people behind. Ask people to slowly come along. Keep your eyes shut. All new people please keep your eyes shut. They are going to check you. One by one, yes move on. Jill, come forward. Start moving in the centre. Yes. Good. Those Sahaja Yogis who want to get themselves also checked up, ask other Sahaja Yogis to do it. Magda, I think these three people are for the first time or what? Just see them, their vibrations. They haven’t felt it yet. Can you move a little coming up here. Marcus? Or who is there? Those who want to be checked. Also ask others to be checked. Douglas, go and check Dinesh. All of you must get checking! Those of you who want checking should raise your hands. Ask people to check you. Check her. Vishuddhi, Left Vishuddhis are horrible. I don’t know what to say. Hester [Spiro], you ask somebody to check you also. Peter [Pearce], you sit down. David [Spiro] you sit down! Get yourself checked! Linda [Pearce], Peter, all of you. Please. Because I am going away. Let everybody be checked - better is. Marcus? You be checked also. Better to get it done once for all. Get them checked. Who can check her? Ray [Harris]? Where is he? Go and check Hester. He’s got it? Kingsley you check Hester, it’s better. He (Ray) is a Jew (also) so it would be better! (laughing) Somebody else should do it it’s better. May God bless you! But everybody gets checked it’s better! John, you sit down. You get yourself checked. Sit down. Marcus? Is he checked? How are they? Now those who are checking should get themselves checked also, is a better idea. There should be nothing. ‘Prana’ - say the mantra for him. For her, Malcolm [Murdoch], ‘Prana’ is the mantra for her. Haa! Done. Just broken through. Haaa! Now this is to be judged a little by yourself. You should know. These are the small things that one should know. This gentleman? Why don’t you see this gentleman? Can you check John. John, put your left hand towards me and right hand outside. Felicity [Payment]. Somebody should check Felicity also. Brighton people should again get themselves rechecked afterwards. Everybody should get themselves rechecked. Somehow or other get yourself cleared out. Every one of you. Gavin you also get yourself checked. Everybody should get yourself checked. That's the best way. And we should be thankful to people for checking us and giving us vibrations. Instead of getting angry and upset. How are the children? Jane [Brown] bring her. Is she alright? Bring her here. How is it? Let everybody check today and give bandhans. What about this gentleman? He’s got it? He’s Ray’s father, he should get it. Tell him not to feel guilty about anything! You are facing Mother who loves you! Just say, “Mother I am not guilty.” Just say that. What guilt can you people have? Jill? Coming? Haaa! Alright Jill? It’s come up. How is she? Don’t talk. Just raise the Kundalini. Just raise the Kundalini. You give him a bandhan. Chaya, tumse karab dekho. Regis, you also get yourself checked and others should check and you check others. Every one of you. John, please put yourself into a bandhan. Now check other people. Come along. Those who have been checking sit down and those who have to be checked. You’ve done it? Have you done? You’ve got it? Have you felt anything? Did you feel any cool breeze? Good, great. Now close your eyes. Enjoy your Self. Now don’t stop at that! What do you say Malcolm? Better? What about this child?

12/5/1980

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"Marriage and Collectivity", advice at Chelsham Rd. London (UK), 5 December 1980. ....Marriage where you marry and next day you are running away with another man. It should be genuinely done. That means you must respect but genuineness should be there, there should be no deception nothing. You are partners for life. Now one more point I want to tell you, that always I have seen in Sahaja Yoga marriages fail on one point, which is very important, is the point where collectivity clashes. When there is a clash of collectivity, Sahaja Yoga marriages fail. Now you are marrying under Sahaja Yoga you are not marrying in a way that others marry. And that's why one must understand that collectivity comes first. But you must love each other, you must understand each other, be sweet to each other, be kind, considerate, be conscious and aware that you have a wife or a husband. But first thing is collectivity. Now I have specially given presents to Jane and to Linda because they have produced two Sahaja Yogis of a very high value. In the same way I am going to give you presents when you do that. But, but this is a beginning from the child that you develop you must learn (?)...it's not that my child, my husband, my house what should I do about this house, my house, my children, my house, my children. You have got a child to expand, the love that you get for your child or feel for your child you should feel for all others. You have to be mothers of all the children not of your own child. For both of them, especially, I have to say they have to be collective very much more than they are today. That's the first thing; they should expand themselves. Nobody can have respect for any woman who is not like that. You have to be just like a mother to everyone. The second point is that there are certain systems, which are built in, in a society where marriages become conditioning. And one of them is a very handy and a good system. The system is like this that the wife becomes the mother and even the brothers of the husband are mostly with the wife, with the bhabi, who's the sister in law. So they go and tell all their problems because they can't face their elder brother directly. So they go and tell the sister in law. Then sister-in-law, in her own clever way, tells the husband and gets the permission. And this relationship has to be established when you are married. When you are married say there's a sister-in-law who is younger who is not married she doesn't understand about love and things. If she has a problem say she's going to get married or anything she will not consult her mother she'll not come and consult me but she'll consult her sister-in-law. It is a very sweet relationship that exists between the brother-in-law and the sister-in-law is a very, very sweet relationship and all the time they joke and laugh and they are one. With the mother you have certain limitations; it's a little formal with the mother. But with the sister-in-law it is such a blessing to have somebody slightly older than you with whom you can say, and that person goes and tells. I would say Chaya has been doing that very well and I am very happy with her. Give her a hand. (Applause) But she has to keep her husband also pleased. If she does not get her husband pleased, if he is not easily pleased, still he should be made to be pleased. May be the most difficult man. It is the art of the woman, is the beauty of the woman, how she manages her husband. Because she is there for that kind of a job. And if she cannot do that, then she is failing in that part. So she has to do both the things; you have to strike a balance between the two. Sometimes the husband wants that he should have the company; all right, give him the company as much as possible. But you should also know that unless and until your husband gives you the authority, you are no one with others because it is he who has given you the authority to talk to others. If he says no you have to be with me all the time, then you cannot say no. He has a right to have your company. So one must understand and strike a balance. Do not do anything to the extremes. We have to be very normal people. This is the second point I wanted to tell you. The third point, very important for all the parents who have children, Sahaja Yoga children have to be extremely well disciplined. If you do not know how to discipline your children, you are sadly mistaken. Your children must know how to behave themselves; they must know how to answer, how much they must talk. Do not spoil them with presents; give them presents at the right time. And tell them how they should behave. You have to discipline your children. This is your duty to discipline them; it is the time they should be disciplined. The condition here is that people don't say anything to their children. They don't even scold them; they don't even teach them anything. And by the time they are sixteen, seventeen the children are absolutely like vagabonds. And they have no sense; they have no sense of despair. They answer you back. No child should be allowed to answer the parents back. If they answer back, give them two slaps. That's allowed. Teach them to be respectful. If you do not teach them, they'll be disrespectful to other people, and other people will smack them. Then you won't like it. But they have every right to smack if a child misbehaves, because children must know how to behave themselves. If they do not know behavior, you have to teach them; that is your duty. But here everybody wants to shirk the responsibility. Want to shirk it. It's really easy to love your children and not say anything. Let them go up to sixteen and then throw them into the winds. No, you have to be extremely strict with your children when they are growing up. The grand parents can spoil them not you. You are not their grandparents; you are parents. You have to discipline them; you have to tell them how to behave, how to. And sit down with them for one hour and talk to them, not in the presence of others. Tell them that you are like queens and kings. Put self esteem in them so they behave themselves and they learn how to go above. If they do not do that, means you have unnecessarily produced a problem for yourself and others. It is necessary, if necessary. I've never beaten my children, and I don't like to. But if you don't know how to teach them and how to control them, you may use sometimes a slap, doesn't matter for boys especially once in a while doesn't matter. If they don't understand, what to do? So you have to discipline. You see, discipline is one thing lacking in western countries. Children don't know how to behave, how to be respectful. And they misbehave and they will start tomorrow answering you back and ill treating you. And now the whole society is (aware?) It is very important. No use spoiling your children. Here they will see something on the TV you get it back for them. No. You must tell, no, what you want is not what the TV tells you but what you need is this and keep it. If they break the toys and all that, tell them that if you are breaking toys you are not going to get any. Keep them, properly arrange them; let them organize. This is how you train. I've seen My grand children. They have got things that I bought for them when they were little babies, still just the same, kept very carefully. Who has given them what, what is where; they know everything not like a mess of toys, plastic toys that you give them. Give them few toys but know where they are. Where are they? Give them the list. Ask them to keep a list to understand. Respect, respect is the thing; we do not respect our possessions we just indulge in them. Do we respect? We throw our cloths here and there. That's why the children are born when they grow up they have no discipline; they throw all their cloths here untidiness then you shout at them. Another habit the children must form is to get up early in the morning. The parents must get up in the morning; give them bath; get them ready; give them tea. If the children do not do that, it is because of the parents do not discipline them. And also the parents must be ideal about it. If the parents do not have that, then the children are not going to. So the whole responsibility of spoiling the children resides with the parents and no one else. Even Sahaja Yogis should not spoil the children. I can spoil because I am the Grandma. You must take your responsibility. I did not spoil My children. You have to tell your children 'til they are sixteen years of age. Everything that is good, righteous, how to behave and how to live you have to tell. Otherwise they become vagabonds and they, you see, they take the whole thing upon themselves. They think, oh we can do what ever they want, "What's wrong", "What's wrong". If they say, "What's wrong" don't give them money. Don't spoil them. Make them starve one night; they will be all right next day Let them do the work. Of course you should never pay for children's work. If they work then they are working for themselves It is a very bad habit to pay them for doing some work. They are not laborers. All this training must be given. That's a very good training because our social side is very weak. You do not know how to discipline. Too much interest in children is also not allowed. That all the time run after your children, do this for your children. It's all right. Because once they know they are dominating you they will sit on your heads. They should know where they stand with you. Gradually they will learn and behave. See children are still not human beings. Either you make them human beings or you make them devils. It is in your hands; they are raw. You should not be unkind by any chance. But you should not be in any way dominated by them. It is not the parents who should take instructions from their children. In Sahaja Yoga it is necessary to understand parenting. So up to the as you said that you must have children and don't hurry up. That's very true. Think it over properly and then have children. When you have a proper place to live in, and all that, then have children. Will be a good idea. Now as far as the ashram is concerned, I would suggest that as the present position is, keep it up till I come back. Do not change anything. As it is Linda is managing her affairs as far as the money is concerned. What ever is her charges she paid that. Let Chaya handle the money and everything and puja because she knows that. You also all learn from her; she can teach you something about Hindi and all that. The most important thing is that Sahaja Yoga is not a cult. You have to be absolutely normal people. Don't have to behave, like in the ears you put in five pounds of cotton and walk about. You should look very normal people. Do not behave in a manner that you look absurd. You see, maybe, some people told me they do it because they want to show off they are different. This is not punk rocks here. We are not punk rock. You have to be very normal, balanced, good people, respecting our elders, very normal people. Nothing abnormal should be done. And that is the person who is the most normal is the person who is the real Sahaja Yogi. Because you normalize by Sahaja Yoga all abnormal things. (Child crying) She is feeling cold and stomach pain...is there a fire? Just put some fire. This is what it is to be done about Sahaj Yoga. That in Ashram you have to have ideal way of life. You have Linda here she is very good and also Peter Pierce is a very good man no doubt. But he goes off because of certain problems he has had before. See? So you can beat him with shoes, not directly, indirectly, and also Linda and also Chaya, if you want. Or like this anybody who is doing anything in the ashram is all right. But as far as possible elders should not be beaten with shoes. You can ask somebody older then them to beat them with shoes. But I am sure gradually they will all become responsible, sensible, and respectable. If they do not if they are not respectable how can people respect you? And lastly I have to tell you that Linda was telling me that she is feeling very different. Now the reason is (child crying: can you take her out. She is very hot I think or cold whatever) the problem is this way. Now I am going away physically and that's why you are depressed. You think Mummy, Mother is going away. (Child crying: What happened? Why? Come along. What is there to cry? Yes you are going to break it for everyone like that. I don't know, how do you break it? Show me. Show me.) Now I would suggest that the whole thing comes up because you think, physically, I am going to India. And that's why you are disturbed. And you are thinking that Mother is going so what will happen? If something happens to me who will cure me? Or something goes wrong what will happen? Now you are grown up children, you are not that small. And I am not gone; I am much more here when I am not here. You will see. So now you should decide one thing that Mother is gone doesn't matter. We are going to show Her something special. By the time She comes back, She is going to see what we can do. What we have done in Sahaja Yoga, how we have become normal good people, and how we are getting other people to Sahaja Yoga. By Gods grace now so many things have happened that about Sahaja Yoga now it might be published in seven hundred papers already. It is all done through Gods grace only. But you have to desire and it will work out. So first of all improve yourself; improve your collectivity. Try to be nice to each other. We are human beings. We are not donkeys or dogs. But we are not only human beings; we are Sahaja Yogis, we are saints. So develop that dignity, and that love, and that understanding, that etiquette, etiquette of a divine person, that sweetness, that gentleness of a divine person. Of course that does not mean that men should walk like women. You see I've told it correctly. If I said gentlemen, then gents would start behaving like women. Or if I say you have to be come manly, the women become manly and the rest (?). It always goes the other way round. Ladies should try to be more ladylike. They have to be more ladylike and men have to be manly. Like just now I said that you have to follow the man that has to be. It looks decent, you see, for a man to be ahead of you, and the woman to be behind; she is the shakti. She is the shakti behind the husband. And she need not walk in front and show off and argue with him and put him down and put his hand like that and all that. She should not do. Doesn't, its not graceful. It is disgraceful to behave like that. And then only with understanding and love we have good children. And that my wife says so, this is a very wrong idea. I mean, some people are that if the wife says go to the north, they'll go to the north. They say go to the south, they'll go to the south. I mean that should not be so. It doesn't look nice. One should behave in a way that a man is. And let him, let them be men, and you have to be women. To be a woman is a very big thing. Your mother is a woman. You know how great it is to be a woman. It's very great to be a woman because women have such powers. We have really by competing with men, we have finished ourselves completely. So the two roles of men and woman is like the, I would say, the flower and the fragrance. Which is higher flower or the fragrance? If there is no flower, there is no fragrance. But without fragrance what is a flower? Or a beauty? It is so much inseparable fragrance and beauty and flower. In the same way the flower shows, but who is the beauty, and who is the fragrance is the wife. That is how it should be. And then only people will respect you and your husband. And it is going to be much more easy. That's the way it works out very easy. If it is other way round it will never work so let it be worked out this way. And there is nothing like domination who can dominate your spirit? Nobody can dominate your spirit. But it is an adjustment because in the society the man has to do all the outside work. And he is the kinetic person and you are the potential energy. So the woman has to listen to man, because she preserves her energy much more by that. And there is nothing like domination. Nobody can dominate you. On the contrary there is such domination on the man that he just can't exist without you. He comes back home straight from the work, that's how you should control your husband. Control of love, as I control you with love, you should control with love. It is a question of how much you love, how gracious you are, how beautiful you are. Next time I come I'm sure I'm going to meet great ladies and gentlemen, which I expected in England. And we are going to be on that level, very nice dignified, sweet, very serene and not frivolous. Frivolousness is a very big curse, you see, should not be frivolous. Neither you should be so serious that everybody gets bored of you. But you should be in the centre. You must talk little more those who do not talk. Those who talk too much should talk little less. So normalize yourself. Now any questions please ask me because today is the last day and I am going tomorrow morning at 8 o'clock from my house and I don't want to trouble you. All those who are coming to India; there are some things I am taking for the Sahaja Yogis. So Malcolm you come along with me. I'll show you all the things I brought and I'll mark them. And Christine my cloths are there also in one of the boxes, two boxes, one small, one big. Are you taking too many things with you? Very few things? So then it's all right you can take them and you can bring them back if you like later on the same boxes if you have to carry things. So this is what it is. Don't carry too many things to India. Because I know you will be overloaded there things are so much cheaper and better. But whatever things you carry you must know they should be elegant, because in India if you do not have elegant dresses, they are never impressed by you. For example hippie dress they don't like. They should be elegant but it should not be dandy either like a bow tie and a red coat. That is also not good. In the centre, wear decent dresses and they prefer suits or combination or something as an English man dresses. They are shocked, you see, to see hippies walking with a small little loin cloth or something, it is too much. So you should not also shock them or come with translucent dresses. You see? They can't bear all that. You see, you should be decently dressed. And if you want you can take your saris from here or you can buy some nice saris there. What ever you want they will be very helpful. Those who are coming last time you know how much they spent money on you. On everything they paid for your taxis, for your food, and lots of things. I mean they did such a lot of expense. About 50 thousand they spent last time. You can imagine, they are poor people there, you are affluent. And before that nobody paid not a single pie was paid by any Sahaja Yogi who went to India. They just had everything free. Nobody paid for anything before. It was all right. Why? Because they wanted they have a gesture of great generosity and they don't mind it. But I think it's not proper. Even today you see they telephoned to Me the other day they said "let them come, what is there? We will look after them. Why should they pay." It's not proper because they are not rich people. So we have calculated and we have come to the conclusion that, those who are going there, should pay 151 pounds as soon as they come there. And they have to pay it to me and then I'll pay it to them wherever they want. And if there is more money needed they will provide it. So 151 pounds directly you have to pay the day you come. Nobody who does not have that money should not come because it is very embarrassing. Only my bank balance is going down. I don't mind, but it's not good. We have done that before. The people who have gone before can say that, that all the expense and everything was borne by them. It's not good and you know. You must spend your money you must that's not proper that's not good. Even one person came from South Africa and he paid for his food and everything, even one person. We did not pay for him. While so many people went there and they paid for food, stay everything they did. It's not good that has happened so we have to be very generous. I think we have got sufficient things for them not more than that will not be required, photographs, I was saying, and tapes and all those things. Have you made the list of things? (man speaking "yes, we made the list we will distribute to everyone who goes there. We have a few names. Who is taking the photograph album being prepared by?") Only one photograph album you will take? You have to at least give two of them, one more. Why should one person give it? All of you put together should give it. There should be not such a thing. All of you should provide for it. Have two photographs, at least two minimum you should have. So that one can leave in Maharashtra and one can leave in anywhere someplace...(?)There should be two. And tapes should be also two. (Man speaking I don't know yet how many there are) We can afford to pay that, there's no problem, as it is God has saved your money for the gifts. Peter was telling that he got it much cheaper for this. It's very surprising you see and I am really surprised how you've done it in such a short time. It's very nice. It's really we would not have done it in our house. It's remarkable. Only the one who knows what it is can understand. It's a tremendous work. Give a hand. (applause) Now any more questions? I am going now. You must take, all of you must take, addresses of Bombay and Delhi people. Two, three, four numbers you must take. (Man talking inaudible) I mean I'll see the situation as it is. But in any case I have purchased it. So you put on glass and everything. I've packed it very well. Tape recorders we have got and we have got also watches. There are five watches. Ah children thank you very much. What is that? Ah good, good, beautiful, beautiful. From you? What? I'm very happy. You just sent me a card that's all. (lady says It's the Merchant of Venice to read on the train) (Shri Mataji talking to attendants about luggage and food) Lady speaking : Mother would you please send all our love to the Indian Sahaja Yogis that I so wish I was going again. I will. I will tell them, all your best wishes everything, all your love Lady: I wish I was with them (Shri Mataji talks in Hindi) All of them come along. I should just tell them we are going to look after them, tour lots of places, this Ganeshwar they can stay. Then poor Modi wrote to me: Mother you have to live with the nature there, there's no bathroom nothing. Man speaking, "Warren also wrote specially to say that he has prepared all the Australians and they won't have problems with the Indian living conditions." No it's not going to be that bad like that. See we've got all these gurus also the idea of ashrams has been spoilt. When you go there you've got an air-conditioned room with a big bathroom attached where you can sleep the whole day. But it is not like that. You have to learn to be detached and little self sufficient. Not to depend on other things to give you comfort but your own spirit should give you comfort. Now I can tell you neither my spirit nor my body (?). So what is it? Flowers. How are you? (Lady: I am very well thank you) The children are so much all right now. (Lady: Yes very much) Not you, you are perfectly all right. She's a very normal person. You have to be normal. Very good

"Marriage and Collectivity", advice at Chelsham Rd. London (UK), 5 December 1980. ....Marriage where you marry and next day you are running away with another man. It should be genuinely done. That means you must respect but genuineness should be there, there should be no deception nothing. You are partners for life. Now one more point I want to tell you, that always I have seen in Sahaja Yoga marriages fail on one point, which is very important, is the point where collectivity clashes. When there is a clash of collectivity, Sahaja Yoga marriages fail. Now you are marrying under Sahaja Yoga you are not marrying in a way that others marry. And that's why one must understand that collectivity comes first. But you must love each other, you must understand each other, be sweet to each other, be kind, considerate, be conscious and aware that you have a wife or a husband. But first thing is collectivity. Now I have specially given presents to Jane and to Linda because they have produced two Sahaja Yogis of a very high value. In the same way I am going to give you presents when you do that. But, but this is a beginning from the child that you develop you must learn (?)...it's not that my child, my husband, my house what should I do about this house, my house, my children, my house, my children. You have got a child to expand, the love that you get for your child or feel for your child you should feel for all others. You have to be mothers of all the children not of your own child. For both of them, especially, I have to say they have to be collective very much more than they are today. That's the first thing; they should expand themselves. Nobody can have respect for any woman who is not like that. You have to be just like a mother to everyone. The second point is that there are certain systems, which are built in, in a society where marriages become conditioning. And one of them is a very handy and a good system. The system is like this that the wife becomes the mother and even the brothers of the husband are mostly with the wife, with the bhabi, who's the sister in law. So they go and tell all their problems because they can't face their elder brother directly. So they go and tell the sister in law. Then sister-in-law, in her own clever way, tells the husband and gets the permission. And this relationship has to be established when you are married. When you are married say there's a sister-in-law who is younger who is not married she doesn't understand about love and things. If she has a problem say she's going to get married or anything she will not consult her mother she'll not come and consult me but she'll consult her sister-in-law. It is a very sweet relationship that exists between the brother-in-law and the sister-in-law is a very, very sweet relationship and all the time they joke and laugh and they are one. With the mother you have certain limitations; it's a little formal with the mother. But with the sister-in-law it is such a blessing to have somebody slightly older than you with whom you can say, and that person goes and tells. I would say Chaya has been doing that very well and I am very happy with her. Give her a hand. (Applause) But she has to keep her husband also pleased. If she does not get her husband pleased, if he is not easily pleased, still he should be made to be pleased. May be the most difficult man. It is the art of the woman, is the beauty of the woman, how she manages her husband. Because she is there for that kind of a job. And if she cannot do that, then she is failing in that part. So she has to do both the things; you have to strike a balance between the two. Sometimes the husband wants that he should have the company; all right, give him the company as much as possible. But you should also know that unless and until your husband gives you the authority, you are no one with others because it is he who has given you the authority to talk to others. If he says no you have to be with me all the time, then you cannot say no. He has a right to have your company. So one must understand and strike a balance. Do not do anything to the extremes. We have to be very normal people. This is the second point I wanted to tell you. The third point, very important for all the parents who have children, Sahaja Yoga children have to be extremely well disciplined. If you do not know how to discipline your children, you are sadly mistaken. Your children must know how to behave themselves; they must know how to answer, how much they must talk. Do not spoil them with presents; give them presents at the right time. And tell them how they should behave. You have to discipline your children. This is your duty to discipline them; it is the time they should be disciplined. The condition here is that people don't say anything to their children. They don't even scold them; they don't even teach them anything. And by the time they are sixteen, seventeen the children are absolutely like vagabonds. And they have no sense; they have no sense of despair. They answer you back. No child should be allowed to answer the parents back. If they answer back, give them two slaps. That's allowed. Teach them to be respectful. If you do not teach them, they'll be disrespectful to other people, and other people will smack them. Then you won't like it. But they have every right to smack if a child misbehaves, because children must know how to behave themselves. If they do not know behavior, you have to teach them; that is your duty. But here everybody wants to shirk the responsibility. Want to shirk it. It's really easy to love your children and not say anything. Let them go up to sixteen and then throw them into the winds. No, you have to be extremely strict with your children when they are growing up. The grand parents can spoil them not you. You are not their grandparents; you are parents. You have to discipline them; you have to tell them how to behave, how to. And sit down with them for one hour and talk to them, not in the presence of others. Tell them that you are like queens and kings. Put self esteem in them so they behave themselves and they learn how to go above. If they do not do that, means you have unnecessarily produced a problem for yourself and others. It is necessary, if necessary. I've never beaten my children, and I don't like to. But if you don't know how to teach them and how to control them, you may use sometimes a slap, doesn't matter for boys especially once in a while doesn't matter. If they don't understand, what to do? So you have to discipline. You see, discipline is one thing lacking in western countries. Children don't know how to behave, how to be respectful. And they misbehave and they will start tomorrow answering you back and ill treating you. And now the whole society is (aware?) It is very important. No use spoiling your children. Here they will see something on the TV you get it back for them. No. You must tell, no, what you want is not what the TV tells you but what you need is this and keep it. If they break the toys and all that, tell them that if you are breaking toys you are not going to get any. Keep them, properly arrange them; let them organize. This is how you train. I've seen My grand children. They have got things that I bought for them when they were little babies, still just the same, kept very carefully. Who has given them what, what is where; they know everything not like a mess of toys, plastic toys that you give them. Give them few toys but know where they are. Where are they? Give them the list. Ask them to keep a list to understand. Respect, respect is the thing; we do not respect our possessions we just indulge in them. Do we respect? We throw our cloths here and there. That's why the children are born when they grow up they have no discipline; they throw all their cloths here untidiness then you shout at them. Another habit the children must form is to get up early in the morning. The parents must get up in the morning; give them bath; get them ready; give them tea. If the children do not do that, it is because of the parents do not discipline them. And also the parents must be ideal about it. If the parents do not have that, then the children are not going to. So the whole responsibility of spoiling the children resides with the parents and no one else. Even Sahaja Yogis should not spoil the children. I can spoil because I am the Grandma. You must take your responsibility. I did not spoil My children. You have to tell your children 'til they are sixteen years of age. Everything that is good, righteous, how to behave and how to live you have to tell. Otherwise they become vagabonds and they, you see, they take the whole thing upon themselves. They think, oh we can do what ever they want, "What's wrong", "What's wrong". If they say, "What's wrong" don't give them money. Don't spoil them. Make them starve one night; they will be all right next day Let them do the work. Of course you should never pay for children's work. If they work then they are working for themselves It is a very bad habit to pay them for doing some work. They are not laborers. All this training must be given. That's a very good training because our social side is very weak. You do not know how to discipline. Too much interest in children is also not allowed. That all the time run after your children, do this for your children. It's all right. Because once they know they are dominating you they will sit on your heads. They should know where they stand with you. Gradually they will learn and behave. See children are still not human beings. Either you make them human beings or you make them devils. It is in your hands; they are raw. You should not be unkind by any chance. But you should not be in any way dominated by them. It is not the parents who should take instructions from their children. In Sahaja Yoga it is necessary to understand parenting. So up to the as you said that you must have children and don't hurry up. That's very true. Think it over properly and then have children. When you have a proper place to live in, and all that, then have children. Will be a good idea. Now as far as the ashram is concerned, I would suggest that as the present position is, keep it up till I come back. Do not change anything. As it is Linda is managing her affairs as far as the money is concerned. What ever is her charges she paid that. Let Chaya handle the money and everything and puja because she knows that. You also all learn from her; she can teach you something about Hindi and all that. The most important thing is that Sahaja Yoga is not a cult. You have to be absolutely normal people. Don't have to behave, like in the ears you put in five pounds of cotton and walk about. You should look very normal people. Do not behave in a manner that you look absurd. You see, maybe, some people told me they do it because they want to show off they are different. This is not punk rocks here. We are not punk rock. You have to be very normal, balanced, good people, respecting our elders, very normal people. Nothing abnormal should be done. And that is the person who is the most normal is the person who is the real Sahaja Yogi. Because you normalize by Sahaja Yoga all abnormal things. (Child crying) She is feeling cold and stomach pain...is there a fire? Just put some fire. This is what it is to be done about Sahaj Yoga. That in Ashram you have to have ideal way of life. You have Linda here she is very good and also Peter Pierce is a very good man no doubt. But he goes off because of certain problems he has had before. See? So you can beat him with shoes, not directly, indirectly, and also Linda and also Chaya, if you want. Or like this anybody who is doing anything in the ashram is all right. But as far as possible elders should not be beaten with shoes. You can ask somebody older then them to beat them with shoes. But I am sure gradually they will all become responsible, sensible, and respectable. If they do not if they are not respectable how can people respect you? And lastly I have to tell you that Linda was telling me that she is feeling very different. Now the reason is (child crying: can you take her out. She is very hot I think or cold whatever) the problem is this way. Now I am going away physically and that's why you are depressed. You think Mummy, Mother is going away. (Child crying: What happened? Why? Come along. What is there to cry? Yes you are going to break it for everyone like that. I don't know, how do you break it? Show me. Show me.) Now I would suggest that the whole thing comes up because you think, physically, I am going to India. And that's why you are disturbed. And you are thinking that Mother is going so what will happen? If something happens to me who will cure me? Or something goes wrong what will happen? Now you are grown up children, you are not that small. And I am not gone; I am much more here when I am not here. You will see. So now you should decide one thing that Mother is gone doesn't matter. We are going to show Her something special. By the time She comes back, She is going to see what we can do. What we have done in Sahaja Yoga, how we have become normal good people, and how we are getting other people to Sahaja Yoga. By Gods grace now so many things have happened that about Sahaja Yoga now it might be published in seven hundred papers already. It is all done through Gods grace only. But you have to desire and it will work out. So first of all improve yourself; improve your collectivity. Try to be nice to each other. We are human beings. We are not donkeys or dogs. But we are not only human beings; we are Sahaja Yogis, we are saints. So develop that dignity, and that love, and that understanding, that etiquette, etiquette of a divine person, that sweetness, that gentleness of a divine person. Of course that does not mean that men should walk like women. You see I've told it correctly. If I said gentlemen, then gents would start behaving like women. Or if I say you have to be come manly, the women become manly and the rest (?). It always goes the other way round. Ladies should try to be more ladylike. They have to be more ladylike and men have to be manly. Like just now I said that you have to follow the man that has to be. It looks decent, you see, for a man to be ahead of you, and the woman to be behind; she is the shakti. She is the shakti behind the husband. And she need not walk in front and show off and argue with him and put him down and put his hand like that and all that. She should not do. Doesn't, its not graceful. It is disgraceful to behave like that. And then only with understanding and love we have good children. And that my wife says so, this is a very wrong idea. I mean, some people are that if the wife says go to the north, they'll go to the north. They say go to the south, they'll go to the south. I mean that should not be so. It doesn't look nice. One should behave in a way that a man is. And let him, let them be men, and you have to be women. To be a woman is a very big thing. Your mother is a woman. You know how great it is to be a woman. It's very great to be a woman because women have such powers. We have really by competing with men, we have finished ourselves completely. So the two roles of men and woman is like the, I would say, the flower and the fragrance. Which is higher flower or the fragrance? If there is no flower, there is no fragrance. But without fragrance what is a flower? Or a beauty? It is so much inseparable fragrance and beauty and flower. In the same way the flower shows, but who is the beauty, and who is the fragrance is the wife. That is how it should be. And then only people will respect you and your husband. And it is going to be much more easy. That's the way it works out very easy. If it is other way round it will never work so let it be worked out this way. And there is nothing like domination who can dominate your spirit? Nobody can dominate your spirit. But it is an adjustment because in the society the man has to do all the outside work. And he is the kinetic person and you are the potential energy. So the woman has to listen to man, because she preserves her energy much more by that. And there is nothing like domination. Nobody can dominate you. On the contrary there is such domination on the man that he just can't exist without you. He comes back home straight from the work, that's how you should control your husband. Control of love, as I control you with love, you should control with love. It is a question of how much you love, how gracious you are, how beautiful you are. Next time I come I'm sure I'm going to meet great ladies and gentlemen, which I expected in England. And we are going to be on that level, very nice dignified, sweet, very serene and not frivolous. Frivolousness is a very big curse, you see, should not be frivolous. Neither you should be so serious that everybody gets bored of you. But you should be in the centre. You must talk little more those who do not talk. Those who talk too much should talk little less. So normalize yourself. Now any questions please ask me because today is the last day and I am going tomorrow morning at 8 o'clock from my house and I don't want to trouble you. All those who are coming to India; there are some things I am taking for the Sahaja Yogis. So Malcolm you come along with me. I'll show you all the things I brought and I'll mark them. And Christine my cloths are there also in one of the boxes, two boxes, one small, one big. Are you taking too many things with you? Very few things? So then it's all right you can take them and you can bring them back if you like later on the same boxes if you have to carry things. So this is what it is. Don't carry too many things to India. Because I know you will be overloaded there things are so much cheaper and better. But whatever things you carry you must know they should be elegant, because in India if you do not have elegant dresses, they are never impressed by you. For example hippie dress they don't like. They should be elegant but it should not be dandy either like a bow tie and a red coat. That is also not good. In the centre, wear decent dresses and they prefer suits or combination or something as an English man dresses. They are shocked, you see, to see hippies walking with a small little loin cloth or something, it is too much. So you should not also shock them or come with translucent dresses. You see? They can't bear all that. You see, you should be decently dressed. And if you want you can take your saris from here or you can buy some nice saris there. What ever you want they will be very helpful. Those who are coming last time you know how much they spent money on you. On everything they paid for your taxis, for your food, and lots of things. I mean they did such a lot of expense. About 50 thousand they spent last time. You can imagine, they are poor people there, you are affluent. And before that nobody paid not a single pie was paid by any Sahaja Yogi who went to India. They just had everything free. Nobody paid for anything before. It was all right. Why? Because they wanted they have a gesture of great generosity and they don't mind it. But I think it's not proper. Even today you see they telephoned to Me the other day they said "let them come, what is there? We will look after them. Why should they pay." It's not proper because they are not rich people. So we have calculated and we have come to the conclusion that, those who are going there, should pay 151 pounds as soon as they come there. And they have to pay it to me and then I'll pay it to them wherever they want. And if there is more money needed they will provide it. So 151 pounds directly you have to pay the day you come. Nobody who does not have that money should not come because it is very embarrassing. Only my bank balance is going down. I don't mind, but it's not good. We have done that before. The people who have gone before can say that, that all the expense and everything was borne by them. It's not good and you know. You must spend your money you must that's not proper that's not good. Even one person came from South Africa and he paid for his food and everything, even one person. We did not pay for him. While so many people went there and they paid for food, stay everything they did. It's not good that has happened so we have to be very generous. I think we have got sufficient things for them not more than that will not be required, photographs, I was saying, and tapes and all those things. Have you made the list of things? (man speaking "yes, we made the list we will distribute to everyone who goes there. We have a few names. Who is taking the photograph album being prepared by?") Only one photograph album you will take? You have to at least give two of them, one more. Why should one person give it? All of you put together should give it. There should be not such a thing. All of you should provide for it. Have two photographs, at least two minimum you should have. So that one can leave in Maharashtra and one can leave in anywhere someplace...(?)There should be two. And tapes should be also two. (Man speaking I don't know yet how many there are) We can afford to pay that, there's no problem, as it is God has saved your money for the gifts. Peter was telling that he got it much cheaper for this. It's very surprising you see and I am really surprised how you've done it in such a short time. It's very nice. It's really we would not have done it in our house. It's remarkable. Only the one who knows what it is can understand. It's a tremendous work. Give a hand. (applause) Now any more questions? I am going now. You must take, all of you must take, addresses of Bombay and Delhi people. Two, three, four numbers you must take. (Man talking inaudible) I mean I'll see the situation as it is. But in any case I have purchased it. So you put on glass and everything. I've packed it very well. Tape recorders we have got and we have got also watches. There are five watches. Ah children thank you very much. What is that? Ah good, good, beautiful, beautiful. From you? What? I'm very happy. You just sent me a card that's all. (lady says It's the Merchant of Venice to read on the train) (Shri Mataji talking to attendants about luggage and food) Lady speaking : Mother would you please send all our love to the Indian Sahaja Yogis that I so wish I was going again. I will. I will tell them, all your best wishes everything, all your love Lady: I wish I was with them (Shri Mataji talks in Hindi) All of them come along. I should just tell them we are going to look after them, tour lots of places, this Ganeshwar they can stay. Then poor Modi wrote to me: Mother you have to live with the nature there, there's no bathroom nothing. Man speaking, "Warren also wrote specially to say that he has prepared all the Australians and they won't have problems with the Indian living conditions." No it's not going to be that bad like that. See we've got all these gurus also the idea of ashrams has been spoilt. When you go there you've got an air-conditioned room with a big bathroom attached where you can sleep the whole day. But it is not like that. You have to learn to be detached and little self sufficient. Not to depend on other things to give you comfort but your own spirit should give you comfort. Now I can tell you neither my spirit nor my body (?). So what is it? Flowers. How are you? (Lady: I am very well thank you) The children are so much all right now. (Lady: Yes very much) Not you, you are perfectly all right. She's a very normal person. You have to be normal. Very good

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Sahaj Seminar Date : 9th December 1980 Place Mumbai Туре Seminar & Meeting Speech Language Marathi CONTENTS | Transcript Marathi 02 - 15 English Hindi || Translation English Hindi Marathi Paying attention to all worldly things, like my daughter's wedding. Gone. Then Mataji's five hours are used up. There is no awareness here. London has a heart. People here don’t have heart. They have lost their heart, it's gone. Long time back it seems to have melted somehere. Vanished. It is not a heart, their heart is frozen. Over. The third one is Europe. It is full of liquor. How will the lever be in this case! So this is the condition of great people. Now you should be awakened. Your attention should be drawn to the Almighty. Oh Yes, we do visit Hanuman temple. Pay our respects cusorily and that’s it. We do go in the morning! All right. That’s enough. Atleast we bow in front HIM. We do have faith in the the Almighty - As if it’s a great favour to the Almighty by all. We should ask these people if they want to achieve something significant. The main work of the Sahaja Yogis is – what does a lamp do after it is lighted? What to do after achieving Sahaja yoga? - Should enlighten others. How many people have we enlightened? So much fragrance is there in all of you. So much happiness is there in all of you. Did you distribute that happiness, or just enjoyed your happiness. It is enough if I am good in my devotion. “I do meditate a lot, sitting at my home, and there is no progress” How will it happen, it has to propagate, right? Till collectivity is not achieved, globalization does not happen, universality is not achieved. Till then there is no meaning to your SahajaYoga. It is worthless. If a flower blooms in forest, however fragrant it is , what is the use of that. So this news must spread in the society amongst the common people .We should speak, should tell that we are Sahaja Yogis. You get your kundalini awakened and get your realization. This land of Maharashtra is so blessed!. Not only the saints but even the the Ashtavinayakas are here. What do the people of this holy land pay attention to? Pay attention to what you are and who you are. You are Men of God; you are the sons of the Almighty. The Almighty is all set to bestow His empire specially to you. Leaving all this aside, you are focusing your attention on unimportant things. For SahajaYogis, it is very delightful to know that I have explored nearly seven countries. Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, France, North of France and both sides of South. And in all these countries almost 200-200 people have become devoted Sahaja Yogis. I have told you about Algeria. Very devoted. They have memorized the book of “Advent”. They all know my tapes by heart. There are about 200-250 people in Australia. All of them know my tapes by heart. They are well versed with the stories that I have narrated to you. And if I ask you – “Did Mataji speak something like this? I don’t know”. On the otherhand, the movie songs are known by heart. This is not Sahaja Yoga. And this is not the method of Sahaja Yoga. People devoted to such a noble cause should lead a noble life. This is a life of sacrifice. It is not something that any Tom Dick and Harry can do. The Mavlas and Marathas (King Shivaji’s warriors) fought battles. This work is greater than that. Need to remove the negativity of the world. Need to attack the fanaticism of the world. Need to temper everybody’s political thinking with common sense. How this is going to happen? You tell me. Sahaja Yoga is somewhat like Shiva’s marriage procession. I receive letters from Mumbai. Worth reading! If you read letters from many, you will understand what Mataji has to say. Some people are deep. But the others keep on rambling on and on. Letters with 28 pages! In summary, nothing significant. What can I do? I don’t have time to read 28 pages. Even if I read them in stages, in the hope that somewhere there will be a mention of Sahaj Yoga. No, nothing like that. If we tell Mother like that then finish! She may become happy for no reason. Why? Why to please her even a little bit? Every body has only their woes to relate. But amongst them, there are some people who are really like lotus. The moment I receive the letter, the vibrations start. Now you will be surprised, although the people in Europe took birth in filth, how elegant their living areas are, how amazing their customs are – You should see it once. They worship each one of you like God. They are in great awe of the people from India. They think that a person who takes birth in India must be a holy person or a saint in his earlier life. We are dirty people so we took birth here. You are the real ascetics and saints. They are welcoming you with garlands now. They think that they will be blessed by your mere sight. There is a fair amount of truth in that. To achieve the Almighty is easy, to recognize him is difficult. To sustain it is difficult. One has to open his heart, and with that open heart one needs see ones own sublimity first. One needs to be that noble. And if it is not so, nothing can be sustained. Nothing can be captured in that camera. Everything will be out of focus. One needs to focus. That needs effort. Secondly, with the blessing of the yoga bhumi (the land of yoga), we can accomplish with little effort. Very little effort. We can achieve with very little effort but your attention must be towards the Almighty. If you could do so, then you do not need anything. And once you start liking it then nothing else will do. All your problems will get solved. Now to narrate you one incident. Yesterday a lady had been to me. She said,” I lost my diamond jewellery.” “What then?” “I sent you a letter and the day you must have received the letter, the same day I got back my jewellery.” To be honest, I had not read the letter. But it came in my hands. That’s all. But it is not my job to retrieve the jewellery. It is the job of the police. Is it my job? But she got it. But what I liked about her is that she said, “I did not receive any response from you, so I thought, who am I to trouble Mataji for my jewellery? And she taught me a lesson. I was very obsessed about my jewellery. ” It was good that she got rid of the obsession. Only that was my job. That she got chastised, was my job, not that of the police. This way a lot many worldly tasks can be accomplished because the Almighty has said, “Yoga kshema vahmyaham” Let the task commence and I will protect it. But let the task commence first. Everyone forgets what the Almighty has said. Without being realized, what do you ask when you visit Siddhivinayaka? Where is your connection? You are connected only to the priest. Means the priest earns whatever he can. But where is your connection with God? “I was only calling Vitthal. Just chanting his name” “Why?” “Whatever may be the need, only let Vitthal know” “So?” “I got a vision.” “I see. Is Vitthal indebted to you in some way? You take him out from your pocket and say- Vitthal do this, Vitthal do that -.” At least let the connection happen with Him. First get the connection established. Firm up your relation. Identify your level. Then you need not implore. There will be a shower of blessings. But the biggest blessing – should be able to love the Almighty. This is the biggest blessing. Pralhaad was intelligent that is why when the Almighty appeared in the form of Narsimha, He asked Prahlad – ” What do you want? Ask anything from this world .” He was Vishnu in person. What did he ask for? “Let me be at your feet.” ( Tav Charana Ravinde). Even an eight year old boy had this wisdom. If one gets this like nector, then nothing else is needed. The Sahaja Yogis should aspire to achieve the same as this is an emergency situation. If we win, then not only the heaven (swarg) but the entire empire of the Almighty is in our hands. And if we lose then there will be the reign of the devil. Hence this is a ‘do or die’ situation. And this time only valor will be victorious. One should not give up valor. You know that your Mother is not afraid of anything. Not afraid of threats, not afraid of anything. What are you afraid of? So march ahead fearlessly. Our country has a great tradition in this. All our deeds will be successful if we follow this tradition and its principles. It should imbibe sweetness, understanding, tolerance and special traits. Our mutual relationships should be that for giving, not for taking. Does not your Mother have a relationship of giving or do I take anything from you? You should keep on giving away. The fun in giving is more than that in taking. Everybody knows that the way it flows from the hands, it flows with such abundance that it cannot be expressed. It should flow like that only. Now after achieving the extreme, achieving the supreme what is the use of these stones and riches. One should have a simple thought like that. Sahaja Yoga has started yielding fruits. There will be great achievements in five years. But you should figure out where you will be then. Many people in Sahaja Yoga go out of circulation. Just like a tangent. So don’t get out of circulation. Stick to it and make others stick. You should have prestige. One should have prestige in your personality. People with dignity do not get affected by petty things. Your dignity should have prestige. You should maintain your prestige. Some say that our country has such people who need only Bengalees, or South Indians. Then what if Maharashtrians prefer Maharashtians? If all are donkeys then why do you attach a tail to become a donkey? Why don’t you embrace sanity? A time is going to come when the whole world will learn Marathi. Do you know this? That is if you embrace sanity. Otherwise you may have to learn French. Everybody is learning Marathi. In London everyone is learning Marathi.This is so as maximum number of books and discussions on Kundalini are available in Marathi language. But our Maharashtrians have become Sahebs. When Europeans (Sahebs) come to India, they are surpised to know that these people don’t know Marathi. Then what is the use of learning Marathi? They don’t know Hindi at all. Why should we speak Hindi? Are we villagers to speak Hindi? You will not find a single person in London who speaks Hindi. You will be surprised. Everybody speaks English means like our Gujaratees. Great. Everybody has become a perfect Englishman after going there. Very surprising. How come such an old tradition got obliterated? Just a few days back, they wrote a very demeaning article in a magazine about the ras (dance). In that Ras, intoxicated young boys and girls dance together. Their snaps along with the deity’s photo were published. They dance in front of the Deity in an inebriated state. At this time, boys and girls choose partners among themselves and it is allowed to do whatever you please. What to say now. Now there is the deity’s photo. I thought these must be Tantrik (false guru) of some sorts. This goes on for nine days during Navaratri. Poojan and other things are side tracked. They prefer to dance for 8 to 10 hours in an inebriated state. And that too in front of the deity. Unheard of poojas have started nowadays. Sahaja Yogis must understand what the truth is? What religion is, its true meaning and its immaculate form? They must understand everything and must stand for it. With courage. “Now our neighbours advise us to drink liquor. Now Mataji, tell us what to do? As we are senior officers, we indulge more in such filthy things.” - Is that so? How big an officer you are to drink liquor? He said – It is compulsory. - I see. Otherwise what will happen to you? I was very astonished even to hear this. - We are from a simple family. Have to have liquor else I will not get my promotion. - Why do you need a promotion with this demotion? - So how will there be a social life without cigarettes. When you will suffer from throat cancer, then Mataji will be there to cure you. Otherwise tobacco is needed. Isn’t that too social! Means do things that will make social life zero. Ask people who do not smoke, about smokers. If one smoker comes, they feel like running away from him. But you can quit anything in Sahaja Yoga. It has to go and if it does not go away then he is not a Sahaja Yogi. Don’t call yourself Sahaja Yogi then. There was one person who used to drink sometimes when Mataji was not around. I got to know. He then came to my discourse and started telling My face is bloating like Hanuman. Is that so? What are you doing in my absence? Leave that tobacco. He got well when he quit tobacco. The other thing you already know. Need not be told. Sahaja Yoga is such a self correcting force that you can observe right in front of you. How will Mataji get to know? She keeps on saying things. Now let’s face it. It is such a big mistake - to strike on your Vishuddhi chakra –means it is such a big mistake! Just imagine! It is Viraata’s position. You strike on Virata. Means do you value yourself or no? A Sahaja Yogi must understand this and even now those of you who call themselves Sahaja Yogi and who smoke should write on their forehead that “we are not sahaja yogis”. Means the Sahaja Yogis should not feel that they can commit any sin and still we are Sahaja Yogis. I call it a subtle type of ego. The sahaja yogis develop this subtle ego that we sahaja yogis are beyond reproach. Even if we commit murder, we are beyond reproach. However, it is exactly the opposite. The more you rise, the harder you all, so don’t fall. Hold tight to the heights you have achieved. If you move a bit, you will fall down. To rise with such a great effort, and then have a fall for some two penny worth filthy tobacco. Who has taught this wisdom? Now there is another incident related to this. All Sahaja Yogis were at Jaslok (hospital). Fine. Tomorrow if someone suffers due to intake of tobacco, don’t visit him. I tell you, let him die. If they suffer, they will again come to me. There were so many letters, telegrams, this and that for him… He did get well. His cancer was cured. But now I will not intervene. Why to consume tobacco. You are associated with me for so many years and still you consume tobacco? Then keep consuming tobacco. I will not tolerate henceforth. I had not received as many letters as I received for these people with the tobacco addiction. Everybody wasted their energies on these people. After recovery when they came to me, they had catch on their left nabhi. Everybody’s spleen was affected. Speedometer out of order. Now do I have to set right their problems again? We should not have sympathy for such people. Now we should tell straightaway – Mataji has informed that anyone who consumes tobacco is not a sahaja yogi. Don’t bring him in Sahaja Yoga. First discard tobacco then. Then speaking lies! Should be forbidden. Your tongue will lose the Saraswati power. Don’t speak lies. You don’t have to be very explicit about it. It does not mean that if you see someone –‘Hey you….’ There are such inconsiderate people.. One must not be too outspoken. You need not tell everything. But whatever you say, must be the truth otherwise do not say anything. Don’t tell lies. I am telling you because we had several such experiences. What is the use of speaking lies with me? I can see far, far, far beyond what is happening. So why to speak lies with me? Hence you must give up falsehood entirely. Absolutely. You must consider it as leprosy. The shortcoming of our country is falsity. We speak any lie with out blinking the eyelid. What happens? What can happen? - Must discard falsity. Sahaja Yogis should take a vow that they will not speak lies. Instead don’t speak. Don’t tell. We don’t have the right to tell others. Imagine a person comes to kill someone and asks me “Mataji, tell me where he is?” then what authority he has to ask me? I will not tell him anything. But what is the truth in telling that he is hiding there, go and kill him. Sahaj Yogi should develop an overall sense – that of discretion. There is no need to tell lies. People speak lies when they are afraid about something, when they need something. Why to speak lies when the Almighty himself has awakened in you. When the truth itself has awakened in you, why to speak lies? So we should take a vow that we will not speak lies. The second vow that we should take is that we will not speak lies – we must give up addiction and we will not speak lies. This is our vow. And then see the fun. To enjoy ones’s own virtues is such an enjoyable thing. Just relax and observe it. Ahaha. So beautiful are our colours that we spread. If we have vices and to avoid its stench, if we put people in jail, they dislike the jail. I would feel good if I am put in jail for a while - would feel happy if I spend time with myself. Enjoy ones own virtues. Enjoy virtues of others. Ignore the vices. If there is squalor somewhere in the town, we will not go to that side. Will cover our nose with a cloth. But if we find that someone is filthy from within, then we will not rest till we circulate that news in public. Then it must come in the newspapers. “Did you know? The daughter in law of such and such person ….etc.etc.” We have editions of these amongst us as well. This does not befit the Sahaj Yogis. It is not becoming of us to spread such rumours and talk so much about petty things. We are dignified people. You are well dignified people of the society. So you must maintain this dignity. Now the reporters would come. What will they see? Mataji has worn a sari. So how was the sari, this and that? They can’t see beyond that. They are reporters. But you are aware. You should cultivate the seriousness. Thinking about petty and trivial things, - did you hear this thing about – this is called gossiping. It would be futile if Sahaj Yogis spend time over such matters. You have only one valuable life, do not squander it away. Even this much is substantial. Because we do encounter numerous such people – “Mataji, have you heard this? We have heard this.. about them.” What do I care? All town gossips. Such and such ran way with her, and she ran away with such and such person. Let them run away, what do you lose? Why to pay attention to such filty things. Why to even open your mouth for that. Instead of using your chaste speech for the Almighty’s work, there is no need for the Sahaj Yogis to gossip on such things. This is the third vow that you should take. Don’t pay attention to trivial matters. Whether to give two paise to the rickshaw person or three paise.- well, pay three paise, does not matter. He brought you breathlessly puffing. Why do you further take away his breath? What will you lose if you pay him three paise? Learn to give. Don’t calculate too much. Otherwise you will suffer. People who inordinately run after money also suffer inordinately from it. So don’t account for each paise and reduce stinginess. This is the fourth vow. It is good to control oneself especially regarding eating spicy food etc. The moment they arrived, I knew they had catches on liever. I had warned them not to eat so much fried food. This is very typical about our womenfolk. To feed tasty food to the husband and control him so that he straightway reaches home after office. I have prepared this special menu today… the husband has to come straightaway home …how can he go elsewhere? There is delicious food so he has to come home. Where else can he go? But where does his lever go? One has to pay attention to this. Liever is connected mainly to our facet of attention. Our attention is sustained by our lever. Hence too much attention to food that - I like to eat this, I want shrikhand today (a typical Marathi sweet) – Finish! Then you are out of Sahaja Yoga. We have seen about Mataji. Whatever is offered, I don’t even remember. Whatever I get is ok with me. “I will be as you wish me to be”. Sahaja Yogi should never say,” I can’t relish this.” You should pay less attention to what you eat. The tongue of Indians is most active and sensitive. Not the eyes. The nose is sharp though. But ears and eyes are not as much. If one swears, then everybody finds it humourous. If someone swears, uses abusive language – people find it as something great, it is like swelling up a sea of humour. Our ears are not sensitive. Whatever songs that are filthy, still they enjoy them saying what delightful songs these are. There is no sensitivity in the ears in that regard. We must listen to something melodious. We should listen to praises of God (Sada Sarvada Tujha Ghadava – pray that I should be lucky meet YOU always), some such beautiful things should fall on our ears. People don’t pay attention to this and absolutely nil towards the eyes. The environment for aesthetic vision has changed so much; there is no compassion in the eyes. And the way of looking at people is either analytical or lascivious. This is not becoming of Sahaja Yogis. Only compassionate, merciful, only benevolent gaze, gaze that throws light, gaze should be such that does not expect anything. The kundalini should be awakened instantly in one gaze. Only then he can be termed as a Sahaja Yogi. Just with one gaze. The next stage should be that of resolution. Just make a resolution, the awakening must take place. This power must be achieved. Well, you are Marathas from Shivaji’s kingdom. They have since taken birth in England. It may be appropriate to say that the vagabonds from there have come here. Because I am surprised to see their chivalry. They have confused people’s minds in that country. All Britishers were brought to their senses. So the main point is that you are people from a special category. You are especially distinguished people. The almighty has opened his kingdom for you. Now that you would be part of it, what should be your state of mind? How should be your existence? What should one feel the moment they see you? You should stand in front of the mirror and tell yourself, “I am a Sahaja Yogi.” You are responsible for such a big cause; we have selected each individual out of several people with such great care. That is not without reason. There is no issue with my choice; I have not made any mistake. But you should not prove me wrong. You were deserving hence we have ferreted you out. That’s why you have been given everything. Nobody has so much knowledge about kundalini till now that you possess. Go and inquire. There are many accomplished people, ask them, none of them has knowledge about kundalini that surpasses that of Sahaja Yogi. And only your kundalini vibrates on your palms. Even though you have catches on many of your chakras, still it rises fully in an immaculate manner. Nobody misses his realization. You know that even though you have catches on your chakras, whatever issues you may have, still they do not come in the way of your awakening. I need not tell you about it. When you possess such tremendous power within you, shouldn’t you have a suitable personality “Sash – Shisash?” Means our personality should be superior to others. If you live in an above manner, then you can imbibe that dignity in yourself. And it is a type of personality, a special personality. People must feel that this person is someone unique. Someone special. Definitely. They must feel that there is some charisma about you the moment they see you. Barring this aspect, all other facets are quite beautiful. The main thing is that nowhere in the world there are so many realized souls, no such great gathering hence it is a Mahayog (Great event). Nowhere in the world had people achieved their realization so quickly. Means, how amazing! Look at this. Look at the state of readiness. In the beginning for two years, with great effort and perseverance after working on 25 people we could get realization for 12 of them. And after that it started to happen quickly one after the other. You know how people are getting realization. Just look at their state! Means look at their progress? Astonishing! No one has seen such a great achievement in such a short time. I have not observed such a thing before. Not even in the mythological state which we term as Satya yug, not even then. So many people to achieve their realization, is a special thing. And there is no limit to your power. Really no limit. Enormous power it is. You just have to use it. Now what else is remaining? You should ask “Mataji, please tell what else is remaining? When you say this thing to us then tell us what is remaining?” There is only one thing missing that is know - what you are? What grade diamonds you are? How many facets you have? – know these things first. That’s it. Then I need not tell anything more. First know about yourself. And to know, I have given you Chitta (attention). You have an enlightened Chitta. First know with that what you are then I need not speak anything, tell anything. You’ll see it for yourself. You have the countenance of devotion, it is all so holy. Only shortcoming is that you don’t have any idea about yourself. Recognise who you are, understand it and learn to respect yourself. If we don’t respect ourselves, we cannot respect others. First know your value. You may be great for me still you must feel the same about yourself. Then see the demanour. Once it commences then I have no role to play. Once you know yourself, then it is fine. I have nothing more to do. This is the only task and it should be accomplished. Sahaja Yoga is a vast repository of knowledge. It is such a vast sea of knowledge. It can flow entirely through you. The entire truth can overflow through you. You can control the whole world. This is your state. So “Mataji what are we? I have a salary of only 500 rupees. How will it suffice?” “What salary did Christ, who shook the whole world, have?” “We are mere clerks. We have nothing.” “What else?” “What to say Mataji. I am only a carpenter.” “Wasn’t He the son of a carpenter? He also did not impart awareness to anyone which you have done. So value yourself and establish your worth.” Let’s see. Many blessings to all. It is a very earnest request to participate in this Mahayog( Great event). All the invaluable diamonds must be decorated with glory. I do not want anything else. I need to obliterate whatever is abominable in this country. You are responsible for this work. If you really are true Indians, set right the heads of Indians. This cannot happen without Sahaja Yoga. It needs only Sahaja Yoga. It cannot happen without that. Impose Sahaja Yoga on them. What can one do if they cannot understand it easily, then we need to impose Sahaja Yoga on them. If you have any questions, please ask as this is for Sahaja Yogis only. Please raise hands those who are new. Oh, I can see a lot of them. Please don’t print incorrect things. Now let the new people sit in the front. And if they have any questions they can ask our Sahaja Yogis. I have not actually explained Sahaja Yoga. I was just giving an outline. Did the new people feel apprehensive? Come in the front. It is not a complex thing. It is quite easy to understand. I was explaining the things that are to come…. Is there no chart available? Ok, doesn’t matter. You have heard about Kundalini. But whatever has been told is the truth. We have the power called Kundalini situated in us in the triangular bone and this bone is termed as Sacrum in Latin. Even the Latin speaking people had the gumption to call the location where the Kundalini is situated as sacrum meaning sacred. Means it seems that they also had some insight in this. The second thing is that Sanskrit language was prevalent in Norway. The language before Sanskrit was known as Pre Latin Language. After learning this language people realized that the odyssey of Kundalini creates a humming sound and we hear the sound of those movements on our chakras and based on these they created our Devnagri language. So on the Vishuddhi chakra – the reverberations of Kundalini in the form of the devnagri alphabets is present. The Gods know this language so it is called as Deva Vani (Language of Gods). In this way, the meaning of Sanskrit language is – San + Krut – San means unblemeished or pure, krut means made of, such a language is Sanskrit. After whatever remains became Latin. This way the Sanskrit language manifested and it started getting used in India. That is why Sanskrit language was called as Deva vani (Language). Sanskrit has its importance because it is known to the Gods; the reverberations are understood by the deities residing in us. Similarly the word sacrum has been derived from the word sacred. The language which was read which was Latin, in that language they called it as Sacrum. Means they have also had knowledge about Kundalini. Otherwise they would not have called it sacrum. According to Medical Science, the triangular bone does not burn even if the complete body gets burnt. That is why they call it sacred. Now this power resides in us and you can see it with your own eyes. When Kundalini gets awakened, then in many people, Nabhi chakra which is the higher chakra is pressed tightly. That’s why when kundalini gets awakened; it pushes it to open it. The bandh (knots) about which we read in the Rajayoga, happen internally. It need not be done artificially. This event takes place internally and we can see it at that time. Kundalini is palpitating in the triangular bone as if it is a heart. This actually happens. But people whose state is balanced, who do not go to extremes, who have not reached too high, their kundalini rises effortlessly. Those who do not have any physical, mental or intellectual issues, in such people Kundalini rises effortlessly and they do not face any trouble. Especially, if there are small kids, they do not have any issues. Have seen many elderly people whose Kundalini rises in a second and they get their realization without any trouble. So this power is present in each individual. It is present in us in a dormant state. Just like the power of a sprout is in the seedling. When planted in the mother’s womb, in Mother Earth’s womb the seed starts germinating. And the power which is dormant, it gets activated and it starts sprouting. Similarly we too have this live process in us, and this live process takes place in us. It can happen in a person only when the power which can activate is present before him. This power is not like electricity. Does electricity understand what I am saying? This is the power of love. This is the Almighty’s love. So it understands everything. It knows who I am. It also knows who you are. It also knows what all mistakes you have committed. It is all taped within you. She is your tape. But she is your Mother and she is only your mother. Your Kundalini is your Mother. She does not have another son or daughter. You are her child and you are her everything. She has no interest beyond this. Any how, this child of mine should take another birth is what she struggles for, birth after birth. And that is what she does. So people who say that such a Kundalini troubles you, are bloody fools. Don’t listen to them. Your mother who is struggling day and night for your well being, how can she trouble you? Now what they do is an unauthorized attempt. Suppose a person from village comes and he inserts his fingers in an electric socket and says that electricity gives a shock instead of light, and then what will you say? This is a similar thing. The one whom you call as a wise person is knowledgeable but this knowledgeable person should have knowledge not due to his intellect but due to his state, should know his own state. His wisdom has a state, he is not knowledgeable due to his intellect but is in a specific state and that state is achieved by everyone after Kundalini is awakened. This state is called as self realization. This Kundalini pierces only six chakras. Seventh chakra is below Kundalini. This is also to be particularly remembered. Means donkeys like Rajneesh, - even calling them as donkeys is an insult to a donkey – these people do not know I think, that Kundalini is above the lower chakra. So she is not connected to these things. Ganapati is installed there – the one eternal child Ganapati – he is situated there. He has no relation with this. When this Kundalini awakens, it traverses very subtly like a thin hair through Bramha Nadi - I will not give the names of all nadis as it will be confusing – this is the innermost nadi (channel) and Kundalini emanates out of this and pierces the bramarandhra where the fontanel bone area is, which is called as Talu(in marathi). The talu become very soft as a result. And you will experience chilliness.. You will experience cool breeze coming out of your head. Cool breeze will emanate out of your palms. Now the position of our atma is in our heart. In the heart lies our atma. But this is Hruday Chakra’s seat of its own. Imagine our seat is at Delhi. Even if you are the president here, you inform Delhi. If Delhi knows it, it will reach him. So when the piercing takes place, immediately the atma knows and the cool breeze that flows out of your palms is the reverberations of your atma. This is Anahat. And this is flowing like a cool breeze from the palms; this flow of divine vibrations is emblematic of your atma. Atma is engrossed in its own happiness. It does not think about happiness. It does not search happiness. It is happiness itself. But when its brightness shines on our chitta then it also spreads happiness in our chitta. So this chitta of a human being is the attention of human consciousness. This is human awareness. When the light of atma enters it, then the entire atma enlightens us entirely. If there is a small flame, as we have seen in the gaslight, there is no light to the gas. But the moment the flame touches it, it emanates copious light. Similarly our chitta (attention) which is in darkness, it gets illuminated spontaneously. Due to this light, it imparts universality to us. Means don’t have to tell, the event takes place. It has to. You don’t have to say. Or that you all are brothers or brothers and sisters need not be specified. These divine vibrations that start flowing through your fingers, you get to know on your fingers itself, which of your chakras have a catch. Because these are all the chakras. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. Whether there is a catch on the leftside or right side, you get to know on your fingers. Not only this, but you also know which ones are affected on someone else. You get your realization and you would be able to indicate about these people. It is like this. It does not require any knowledge. Now this small girl here, has already attained her realization. She can also tell you which of your fingers have a catches, because of this you are suffering from cold. Even if you blindfold ten kids, still they will indicate the same finger. Because there is only one truth. Means this becomes subjective knowledge. Hence there is no argument about it. All will indicate the same thing. Even if they have to tell about themselves, still they will say,” my agnya chakra has a catch, Mataji.” What does that mean? Agnya chakra gets affected due to ego. But if we tell someone that he is egoistic, he may retaliate by hitting you. But in Sahaja Yoga, the person himself says,” Just remove this. I can see a big source of ego. Remove it.” This because we see ourselves after getting detached from ourselves. If our sari gets soiled and someone tells us so, then we would readily agree to clean it. But it is not the same with human beings. If someone tells,”you have ego” then one would retaliate. You are not the ego, the ego is stuck to you. Better to get rid of it. At the end he starts observing himself. He becomes a witness to the events and all of us in this world who have forgotten the Almighty, realize that this whole thing is a play(drama). And the drama in which we think we were the Shivaji, we realize that no, we were just enacting Shivaji’s role wearing his clothes, nothing else. This is when life becomes colourful and it becomes blissful. Whatever I told you earlier happens very easily. People should agree at least 99 %. There were some people who came to me whom I called druggist or chemist. Means they used to be in state of coma. Such high consumption of drugs. But they got out of drugs from next day itself. Liquor, cigarette everything. 99 %. But 1% may still be stuck. Some are stubborn, but they should strive hard and they do strive else one gets catches. Then you realize that there is a Catch on the left Visshuddhi, this and that. Then it pains. There is no alternative except removing the catch. This way it happens automatically in a Sahaj manner. Sahaja means Sa-Ha-Ja. Saha means that which is born with you. Such a yoga is your right. This is your birthright which you should achieve. But you get this right with the grace of God and you should request for it humbly. If you say that you would go on strike or form a union for that, it does not work. You must be humble, nothing else works. And it happens for sure. How to tell? It does happen. How to tell? It happens what can one do? It can happen but it is better to tell you beforehand the issues that crop up after you get it. You should be able to fit yourself in else you would be wasted. Don’t get wasted. You will meet me again after ten years and tell me, “Mataji, we had achieved it. But we wasted it”. Then it will be late. So enjoy it completely. Once you are in, and then enjoy it fully. But this is the issue with Sahaj Yoga. You cannot pay money etc. to Mataji. You cannot tie up Mataji. She will come and go at her will. This is the situation. So a person feels awkward that he has not given any money. If a movie is not worth watching and you have paid for it then you would sit through because you have paid. So even if it is so painful still you would sit through. You have not paid anything for SahajaYoga so what binding do you have? You need to acquire some insight. When you start enjoying, then even if I ask you to leave Sahaja Yoga, you will say, “ No, not at all. We do not want anything other than this. This is what we want”. But first you have to progress with some effort. They see. The various deities in you observe all this and the level at which you are. If you are not up to the mark they will discard you. So I personally wish to tell you that even if you find me pretty straightforward, I am not like that. There is a lot of illusion. So do not get entangled with me. Keep a check on yourself. Understood? Because without the use of illusion how can I recognize you? So sometimes I do weave a yarn. Do not get entangled in it. Keep a check. And ask those who have got their realization before you so they will tell you,” Where did we fumble, what mistakes did we commit.” You will understand after they tell you that you should not fumble just like what these people did. Now there came a person in Brighton who started showing off. He came and sat in a huff and then he said to me, “I am here to help you etc. etc.” in a very loud voice. If a person is abnormal then he is not a Sahaja Yogi. In Sahaja Yoga you should be absolutely normal. His clothes should be normal means if someone starts moving around in weird clothes, and then consider that he is not a Sahaja Yogi. Only if he is absolutely normal then he is a Sahaja Yogi. This is his identification. If someone starts behaving in an abnormal manner as if he is someone special then you should tell him that it’s OK, he will get cured. Many such people had been here. There is this episode regarding Jawaharlalji. Once he had been to a mental hospital.. An insane person asked him, “Who are you?” “I am Jawaharlal” “Is that so? Are you the Prime Minister Jawaharlal?” “Yes, Yes. Its me ” “Don’t worry. You will get cured. We also used to say the same.” So this is what it is. So keep a watch on yourself. Everything will become normal. Do not show off anything. Don’t do anything special. You are done the moment you show off. Many such people used to be there. Used to breathe abnormally, used to shout. I wondered what sort of mental hospital is this? Don’t do any such thing. Whom do you want to show? You are showing it to yourself. You are giving certificate to yourself. Don’t need any certificate from Mataji. What is the use of that certificate? Give your own certificate to yourself. This is enough. Don’t take Mataji’s certificate. Because I am a tricky person. I may tell you something. Don’t get entangled in that. I may not tell you a few things. You understand yourself on your own, you do have that competence. Just keep in mind that I will not be untruthful to myself. Why to do so.? If we start cheating ourselves, that’s the end of it. What sort of wisdom is this? So do not cheat yourself. Achieve it. The other thing is, you will not get it by thinking. One might say that I will achieve it by thinking. This is beyond thoughts. This is not within your bounds, it is infinite. So what is infinite, you cannot put a boundary around it. There is a limit to thoughts. But what you will achieve, you will find it logical. There is logic to it. It is not illogical. But it is not rational. Means you get confused, how can Mataji say this? How can that happen? It happens, you just see. It is possible. But instead kept on pondering….. “Recently, I read a book. It was written therein.” Mataji - “But did you get it, think like that. You did not get it until now, right? Then get it. You did not get it – this is indisputable. Otherwise why did you come to me? Now that you have come, get it. What else can I say beyond this? Get it for free. I am giving you what is yours. Take it.” Now ask questions if you have any. Not later on. Question – Don’t feel that Kundalini has awakened. Answer – You will feel after it happens. You will feel when it happens. Means what will you feel? You will have cool breeze coming out of your palms. After this feeling, how to recognize if one has become realized or not. Imagine, I have given you a thousand rupees. And you are Englishman. And you don’t know what a rupee is. How will you know till you encash it in the market. You need to use your hands to know what has happened. It has no connection with the intellect. You need to experiment it. When Mataji says that one has become realized, Just check, try to raise the kundalini. Does it rise for others? You will be surprised with yourself. Met a boy at Paris. He said,”It is too good to be true, Mother. I don’t know how to believe it. “ I said, “It is. I am talking about God; I am not talking about simple things. He is God Almighty. You say that. But do you know what does that mean. He is God Almighty. It is an enormous power. Try it out.” There is another thought as to how it will it come into us. Well, it is so because you are someone special. Told you hundred times. But people don’t believe that they are special. So again and again I am telling you that you are special and something should happen to this special one, so that his speciality should get illuminated. This event should only take place. Now you yourself should experiment to know if it is true or not. But there is a protocol to it also. Imagine that someone gave you a diamond. Will you say to that person that this is a lie, this is not a diamond? Is this befitting? Then you will surreptitiously take the diamond to a jeweller. “I did not say anything there. I don’t know how this diamond was acquired. Please check if it is real.” Then he will bow to you and say,” Oh my God! Where did you get it from? It is precious.” So, do you sense the cold breeze? Close your eyes, remove your spectacles.

Sahaj Seminar Date : 9th December 1980 Place Mumbai Туре Seminar & Meeting Speech Language Marathi CONTENTS | Transcript Marathi 02 - 15 English Hindi || Translation English Hindi Marathi Paying attention to all worldly things, like my daughter's wedding. Gone. Then Mataji's five hours are used up. There is no awareness here. London has a heart. People here don’t have heart. They have lost their heart, it's gone. Long time back it seems to have melted somehere. Vanished. It is not a heart, their heart is frozen. Over. The third one is Europe. It is full of liquor. How will the lever be in this case! So this is the condition of great people. Now you should be awakened. Your attention should be drawn to the Almighty. Oh Yes, we do visit Hanuman temple. Pay our respects cusorily and that’s it. We do go in the morning! All right. That’s enough. Atleast we bow in front HIM. We do have faith in the the Almighty - As if it’s a great favour to the Almighty by all. We should ask these people if they want to achieve something significant. The main work of the Sahaja Yogis is – what does a lamp do after it is lighted? What to do after achieving Sahaja yoga? - Should enlighten others. How many people have we enlightened? So much fragrance is there in all of you. So much happiness is there in all of you. Did you distribute that happiness, or just enjoyed your happiness. It is enough if I am good in my devotion. “I do meditate a lot, sitting at my home, and there is no progress” How will it happen, it has to propagate, right? Till collectivity is not achieved, globalization does not happen, universality is not achieved. Till then there is no meaning to your SahajaYoga. It is worthless. If a flower blooms in forest, however fragrant it is , what is the use of that. So this news must spread in the society amongst the common people .We should speak, should tell that we are Sahaja Yogis. You get your kundalini awakened and get your realization. This land of Maharashtra is so blessed!. Not only the saints but even the the Ashtavinayakas are here. What do the people of this holy land pay attention to? Pay attention to what you are and who you are. You are Men of God; you are the sons of the Almighty. The Almighty is all set to bestow His empire specially to you. Leaving all this aside, you are focusing your attention on unimportant things. For SahajaYogis, it is very delightful to know that I have explored nearly seven countries. Portugal, Spain, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, France, North of France and both sides of South. And in all these countries almost 200-200 people have become devoted Sahaja Yogis. I have told you about Algeria. Very devoted. They have memorized the book of “Advent”. They all know my tapes by heart. There are about 200-250 people in Australia. All of them know my tapes by heart. They are well versed with the stories that I have narrated to you. And if I ask you – “Did Mataji speak something like this? I don’t know”. On the otherhand, the movie songs are known by heart. This is not Sahaja Yoga. And this is not the method of Sahaja Yoga. People devoted to such a noble cause should lead a noble life. This is a life of sacrifice. It is not something that any Tom Dick and Harry can do. The Mavlas and Marathas (King Shivaji’s warriors) fought battles. This work is greater than that. Need to remove the negativity of the world. Need to attack the fanaticism of the world. Need to temper everybody’s political thinking with common sense. How this is going to happen? You tell me. Sahaja Yoga is somewhat like Shiva’s marriage procession. I receive letters from Mumbai. Worth reading! If you read letters from many, you will understand what Mataji has to say. Some people are deep. But the others keep on rambling on and on. Letters with 28 pages! In summary, nothing significant. What can I do? I don’t have time to read 28 pages. Even if I read them in stages, in the hope that somewhere there will be a mention of Sahaj Yoga. No, nothing like that. If we tell Mother like that then finish! She may become happy for no reason. Why? Why to please her even a little bit? Every body has only their woes to relate. But amongst them, there are some people who are really like lotus. The moment I receive the letter, the vibrations start. Now you will be surprised, although the people in Europe took birth in filth, how elegant their living areas are, how amazing their customs are – You should see it once. They worship each one of you like God. They are in great awe of the people from India. They think that a person who takes birth in India must be a holy person or a saint in his earlier life. We are dirty people so we took birth here. You are the real ascetics and saints. They are welcoming you with garlands now. They think that they will be blessed by your mere sight. There is a fair amount of truth in that. To achieve the Almighty is easy, to recognize him is difficult. To sustain it is difficult. One has to open his heart, and with that open heart one needs see ones own sublimity first. One needs to be that noble. And if it is not so, nothing can be sustained. Nothing can be captured in that camera. Everything will be out of focus. One needs to focus. That needs effort. Secondly, with the blessing of the yoga bhumi (the land of yoga), we can accomplish with little effort. Very little effort. We can achieve with very little effort but your attention must be towards the Almighty. If you could do so, then you do not need anything. And once you start liking it then nothing else will do. All your problems will get solved. Now to narrate you one incident. Yesterday a lady had been to me. She said,” I lost my diamond jewellery.” “What then?” “I sent you a letter and the day you must have received the letter, the same day I got back my jewellery.” To be honest, I had not read the letter. But it came in my hands. That’s all. But it is not my job to retrieve the jewellery. It is the job of the police. Is it my job? But she got it. But what I liked about her is that she said, “I did not receive any response from you, so I thought, who am I to trouble Mataji for my jewellery? And she taught me a lesson. I was very obsessed about my jewellery. ” It was good that she got rid of the obsession. Only that was my job. That she got chastised, was my job, not that of the police. This way a lot many worldly tasks can be accomplished because the Almighty has said, “Yoga kshema vahmyaham” Let the task commence and I will protect it. But let the task commence first. Everyone forgets what the Almighty has said. Without being realized, what do you ask when you visit Siddhivinayaka? Where is your connection? You are connected only to the priest. Means the priest earns whatever he can. But where is your connection with God? “I was only calling Vitthal. Just chanting his name” “Why?” “Whatever may be the need, only let Vitthal know” “So?” “I got a vision.” “I see. Is Vitthal indebted to you in some way? You take him out from your pocket and say- Vitthal do this, Vitthal do that -.” At least let the connection happen with Him. First get the connection established. Firm up your relation. Identify your level. Then you need not implore. There will be a shower of blessings. But the biggest blessing – should be able to love the Almighty. This is the biggest blessing. Pralhaad was intelligent that is why when the Almighty appeared in the form of Narsimha, He asked Prahlad – ” What do you want? Ask anything from this world .” He was Vishnu in person. What did he ask for? “Let me be at your feet.” ( Tav Charana Ravinde). Even an eight year old boy had this wisdom. If one gets this like nector, then nothing else is needed. The Sahaja Yogis should aspire to achieve the same as this is an emergency situation. If we win, then not only the heaven (swarg) but the entire empire of the Almighty is in our hands. And if we lose then there will be the reign of the devil. Hence this is a ‘do or die’ situation. And this time only valor will be victorious. One should not give up valor. You know that your Mother is not afraid of anything. Not afraid of threats, not afraid of anything. What are you afraid of? So march ahead fearlessly. Our country has a great tradition in this. All our deeds will be successful if we follow this tradition and its principles. It should imbibe sweetness, understanding, tolerance and special traits. Our mutual relationships should be that for giving, not for taking. Does not your Mother have a relationship of giving or do I take anything from you? You should keep on giving away. The fun in giving is more than that in taking. Everybody knows that the way it flows from the hands, it flows with such abundance that it cannot be expressed. It should flow like that only. Now after achieving the extreme, achieving the supreme what is the use of these stones and riches. One should have a simple thought like that. Sahaja Yoga has started yielding fruits. There will be great achievements in five years. But you should figure out where you will be then. Many people in Sahaja Yoga go out of circulation. Just like a tangent. So don’t get out of circulation. Stick to it and make others stick. You should have prestige. One should have prestige in your personality. People with dignity do not get affected by petty things. Your dignity should have prestige. You should maintain your prestige. Some say that our country has such people who need only Bengalees, or South Indians. Then what if Maharashtrians prefer Maharashtians? If all are donkeys then why do you attach a tail to become a donkey? Why don’t you embrace sanity? A time is going to come when the whole world will learn Marathi. Do you know this? That is if you embrace sanity. Otherwise you may have to learn French. Everybody is learning Marathi. In London everyone is learning Marathi.This is so as maximum number of books and discussions on Kundalini are available in Marathi language. But our Maharashtrians have become Sahebs. When Europeans (Sahebs) come to India, they are surpised to know that these people don’t know Marathi. Then what is the use of learning Marathi? They don’t know Hindi at all. Why should we speak Hindi? Are we villagers to speak Hindi? You will not find a single person in London who speaks Hindi. You will be surprised. Everybody speaks English means like our Gujaratees. Great. Everybody has become a perfect Englishman after going there. Very surprising. How come such an old tradition got obliterated? Just a few days back, they wrote a very demeaning article in a magazine about the ras (dance). In that Ras, intoxicated young boys and girls dance together. Their snaps along with the deity’s photo were published. They dance in front of the Deity in an inebriated state. At this time, boys and girls choose partners among themselves and it is allowed to do whatever you please. What to say now. Now there is the deity’s photo. I thought these must be Tantrik (false guru) of some sorts. This goes on for nine days during Navaratri. Poojan and other things are side tracked. They prefer to dance for 8 to 10 hours in an inebriated state. And that too in front of the deity. Unheard of poojas have started nowadays. Sahaja Yogis must understand what the truth is? What religion is, its true meaning and its immaculate form? They must understand everything and must stand for it. With courage. “Now our neighbours advise us to drink liquor. Now Mataji, tell us what to do? As we are senior officers, we indulge more in such filthy things.” - Is that so? How big an officer you are to drink liquor? He said – It is compulsory. - I see. Otherwise what will happen to you? I was very astonished even to hear this. - We are from a simple family. Have to have liquor else I will not get my promotion. - Why do you need a promotion with this demotion? - So how will there be a social life without cigarettes. When you will suffer from throat cancer, then Mataji will be there to cure you. Otherwise tobacco is needed. Isn’t that too social! Means do things that will make social life zero. Ask people who do not smoke, about smokers. If one smoker comes, they feel like running away from him. But you can quit anything in Sahaja Yoga. It has to go and if it does not go away then he is not a Sahaja Yogi. Don’t call yourself Sahaja Yogi then. There was one person who used to drink sometimes when Mataji was not around. I got to know. He then came to my discourse and started telling My face is bloating like Hanuman. Is that so? What are you doing in my absence? Leave that tobacco. He got well when he quit tobacco. The other thing you already know. Need not be told. Sahaja Yoga is such a self correcting force that you can observe right in front of you. How will Mataji get to know? She keeps on saying things. Now let’s face it. It is such a big mistake - to strike on your Vishuddhi chakra –means it is such a big mistake! Just imagine! It is Viraata’s position. You strike on Virata. Means do you value yourself or no? A Sahaja Yogi must understand this and even now those of you who call themselves Sahaja Yogi and who smoke should write on their forehead that “we are not sahaja yogis”. Means the Sahaja Yogis should not feel that they can commit any sin and still we are Sahaja Yogis. I call it a subtle type of ego. The sahaja yogis develop this subtle ego that we sahaja yogis are beyond reproach. Even if we commit murder, we are beyond reproach. However, it is exactly the opposite. The more you rise, the harder you all, so don’t fall. Hold tight to the heights you have achieved. If you move a bit, you will fall down. To rise with such a great effort, and then have a fall for some two penny worth filthy tobacco. Who has taught this wisdom? Now there is another incident related to this. All Sahaja Yogis were at Jaslok (hospital). Fine. Tomorrow if someone suffers due to intake of tobacco, don’t visit him. I tell you, let him die. If they suffer, they will again come to me. There were so many letters, telegrams, this and that for him… He did get well. His cancer was cured. But now I will not intervene. Why to consume tobacco. You are associated with me for so many years and still you consume tobacco? Then keep consuming tobacco. I will not tolerate henceforth. I had not received as many letters as I received for these people with the tobacco addiction. Everybody wasted their energies on these people. After recovery when they came to me, they had catch on their left nabhi. Everybody’s spleen was affected. Speedometer out of order. Now do I have to set right their problems again? We should not have sympathy for such people. Now we should tell straightaway – Mataji has informed that anyone who consumes tobacco is not a sahaja yogi. Don’t bring him in Sahaja Yoga. First discard tobacco then. Then speaking lies! Should be forbidden. Your tongue will lose the Saraswati power. Don’t speak lies. You don’t have to be very explicit about it. It does not mean that if you see someone –‘Hey you….’ There are such inconsiderate people.. One must not be too outspoken. You need not tell everything. But whatever you say, must be the truth otherwise do not say anything. Don’t tell lies. I am telling you because we had several such experiences. What is the use of speaking lies with me? I can see far, far, far beyond what is happening. So why to speak lies with me? Hence you must give up falsehood entirely. Absolutely. You must consider it as leprosy. The shortcoming of our country is falsity. We speak any lie with out blinking the eyelid. What happens? What can happen? - Must discard falsity. Sahaja Yogis should take a vow that they will not speak lies. Instead don’t speak. Don’t tell. We don’t have the right to tell others. Imagine a person comes to kill someone and asks me “Mataji, tell me where he is?” then what authority he has to ask me? I will not tell him anything. But what is the truth in telling that he is hiding there, go and kill him. Sahaj Yogi should develop an overall sense – that of discretion. There is no need to tell lies. People speak lies when they are afraid about something, when they need something. Why to speak lies when the Almighty himself has awakened in you. When the truth itself has awakened in you, why to speak lies? So we should take a vow that we will not speak lies. The second vow that we should take is that we will not speak lies – we must give up addiction and we will not speak lies. This is our vow. And then see the fun. To enjoy ones’s own virtues is such an enjoyable thing. Just relax and observe it. Ahaha. So beautiful are our colours that we spread. If we have vices and to avoid its stench, if we put people in jail, they dislike the jail. I would feel good if I am put in jail for a while - would feel happy if I spend time with myself. Enjoy ones own virtues. Enjoy virtues of others. Ignore the vices. If there is squalor somewhere in the town, we will not go to that side. Will cover our nose with a cloth. But if we find that someone is filthy from within, then we will not rest till we circulate that news in public. Then it must come in the newspapers. “Did you know? The daughter in law of such and such person ….etc.etc.” We have editions of these amongst us as well. This does not befit the Sahaj Yogis. It is not becoming of us to spread such rumours and talk so much about petty things. We are dignified people. You are well dignified people of the society. So you must maintain this dignity. Now the reporters would come. What will they see? Mataji has worn a sari. So how was the sari, this and that? They can’t see beyond that. They are reporters. But you are aware. You should cultivate the seriousness. Thinking about petty and trivial things, - did you hear this thing about – this is called gossiping. It would be futile if Sahaj Yogis spend time over such matters. You have only one valuable life, do not squander it away. Even this much is substantial. Because we do encounter numerous such people – “Mataji, have you heard this? We have heard this.. about them.” What do I care? All town gossips. Such and such ran way with her, and she ran away with such and such person. Let them run away, what do you lose? Why to pay attention to such filty things. Why to even open your mouth for that. Instead of using your chaste speech for the Almighty’s work, there is no need for the Sahaj Yogis to gossip on such things. This is the third vow that you should take. Don’t pay attention to trivial matters. Whether to give two paise to the rickshaw person or three paise.- well, pay three paise, does not matter. He brought you breathlessly puffing. Why do you further take away his breath? What will you lose if you pay him three paise? Learn to give. Don’t calculate too much. Otherwise you will suffer. People who inordinately run after money also suffer inordinately from it. So don’t account for each paise and reduce stinginess. This is the fourth vow. It is good to control oneself especially regarding eating spicy food etc. The moment they arrived, I knew they had catches on liever. I had warned them not to eat so much fried food. This is very typical about our womenfolk. To feed tasty food to the husband and control him so that he straightway reaches home after office. I have prepared this special menu today… the husband has to come straightaway home …how can he go elsewhere? There is delicious food so he has to come home. Where else can he go? But where does his lever go? One has to pay attention to this. Liever is connected mainly to our facet of attention. Our attention is sustained by our lever. Hence too much attention to food that - I like to eat this, I want shrikhand today (a typical Marathi sweet) – Finish! Then you are out of Sahaja Yoga. We have seen about Mataji. Whatever is offered, I don’t even remember. Whatever I get is ok with me. “I will be as you wish me to be”. Sahaja Yogi should never say,” I can’t relish this.” You should pay less attention to what you eat. The tongue of Indians is most active and sensitive. Not the eyes. The nose is sharp though. But ears and eyes are not as much. If one swears, then everybody finds it humourous. If someone swears, uses abusive language – people find it as something great, it is like swelling up a sea of humour. Our ears are not sensitive. Whatever songs that are filthy, still they enjoy them saying what delightful songs these are. There is no sensitivity in the ears in that regard. We must listen to something melodious. We should listen to praises of God (Sada Sarvada Tujha Ghadava – pray that I should be lucky meet YOU always), some such beautiful things should fall on our ears. People don’t pay attention to this and absolutely nil towards the eyes. The environment for aesthetic vision has changed so much; there is no compassion in the eyes. And the way of looking at people is either analytical or lascivious. This is not becoming of Sahaja Yogis. Only compassionate, merciful, only benevolent gaze, gaze that throws light, gaze should be such that does not expect anything. The kundalini should be awakened instantly in one gaze. Only then he can be termed as a Sahaja Yogi. Just with one gaze. The next stage should be that of resolution. Just make a resolution, the awakening must take place. This power must be achieved. Well, you are Marathas from Shivaji’s kingdom. They have since taken birth in England. It may be appropriate to say that the vagabonds from there have come here. Because I am surprised to see their chivalry. They have confused people’s minds in that country. All Britishers were brought to their senses. So the main point is that you are people from a special category. You are especially distinguished people. The almighty has opened his kingdom for you. Now that you would be part of it, what should be your state of mind? How should be your existence? What should one feel the moment they see you? You should stand in front of the mirror and tell yourself, “I am a Sahaja Yogi.” You are responsible for such a big cause; we have selected each individual out of several people with such great care. That is not without reason. There is no issue with my choice; I have not made any mistake. But you should not prove me wrong. You were deserving hence we have ferreted you out. That’s why you have been given everything. Nobody has so much knowledge about kundalini till now that you possess. Go and inquire. There are many accomplished people, ask them, none of them has knowledge about kundalini that surpasses that of Sahaja Yogi. And only your kundalini vibrates on your palms. Even though you have catches on many of your chakras, still it rises fully in an immaculate manner. Nobody misses his realization. You know that even though you have catches on your chakras, whatever issues you may have, still they do not come in the way of your awakening. I need not tell you about it. When you possess such tremendous power within you, shouldn’t you have a suitable personality “Sash – Shisash?” Means our personality should be superior to others. If you live in an above manner, then you can imbibe that dignity in yourself. And it is a type of personality, a special personality. People must feel that this person is someone unique. Someone special. Definitely. They must feel that there is some charisma about you the moment they see you. Barring this aspect, all other facets are quite beautiful. The main thing is that nowhere in the world there are so many realized souls, no such great gathering hence it is a Mahayog (Great event). Nowhere in the world had people achieved their realization so quickly. Means, how amazing! Look at this. Look at the state of readiness. In the beginning for two years, with great effort and perseverance after working on 25 people we could get realization for 12 of them. And after that it started to happen quickly one after the other. You know how people are getting realization. Just look at their state! Means look at their progress? Astonishing! No one has seen such a great achievement in such a short time. I have not observed such a thing before. Not even in the mythological state which we term as Satya yug, not even then. So many people to achieve their realization, is a special thing. And there is no limit to your power. Really no limit. Enormous power it is. You just have to use it. Now what else is remaining? You should ask “Mataji, please tell what else is remaining? When you say this thing to us then tell us what is remaining?” There is only one thing missing that is know - what you are? What grade diamonds you are? How many facets you have? – know these things first. That’s it. Then I need not tell anything more. First know about yourself. And to know, I have given you Chitta (attention). You have an enlightened Chitta. First know with that what you are then I need not speak anything, tell anything. You’ll see it for yourself. You have the countenance of devotion, it is all so holy. Only shortcoming is that you don’t have any idea about yourself. Recognise who you are, understand it and learn to respect yourself. If we don’t respect ourselves, we cannot respect others. First know your value. You may be great for me still you must feel the same about yourself. Then see the demanour. Once it commences then I have no role to play. Once you know yourself, then it is fine. I have nothing more to do. This is the only task and it should be accomplished. Sahaja Yoga is a vast repository of knowledge. It is such a vast sea of knowledge. It can flow entirely through you. The entire truth can overflow through you. You can control the whole world. This is your state. So “Mataji what are we? I have a salary of only 500 rupees. How will it suffice?” “What salary did Christ, who shook the whole world, have?” “We are mere clerks. We have nothing.” “What else?” “What to say Mataji. I am only a carpenter.” “Wasn’t He the son of a carpenter? He also did not impart awareness to anyone which you have done. So value yourself and establish your worth.” Let’s see. Many blessings to all. It is a very earnest request to participate in this Mahayog( Great event). All the invaluable diamonds must be decorated with glory. I do not want anything else. I need to obliterate whatever is abominable in this country. You are responsible for this work. If you really are true Indians, set right the heads of Indians. This cannot happen without Sahaja Yoga. It needs only Sahaja Yoga. It cannot happen without that. Impose Sahaja Yoga on them. What can one do if they cannot understand it easily, then we need to impose Sahaja Yoga on them. If you have any questions, please ask as this is for Sahaja Yogis only. Please raise hands those who are new. Oh, I can see a lot of them. Please don’t print incorrect things. Now let the new people sit in the front. And if they have any questions they can ask our Sahaja Yogis. I have not actually explained Sahaja Yoga. I was just giving an outline. Did the new people feel apprehensive? Come in the front. It is not a complex thing. It is quite easy to understand. I was explaining the things that are to come…. Is there no chart available? Ok, doesn’t matter. You have heard about Kundalini. But whatever has been told is the truth. We have the power called Kundalini situated in us in the triangular bone and this bone is termed as Sacrum in Latin. Even the Latin speaking people had the gumption to call the location where the Kundalini is situated as sacrum meaning sacred. Means it seems that they also had some insight in this. The second thing is that Sanskrit language was prevalent in Norway. The language before Sanskrit was known as Pre Latin Language. After learning this language people realized that the odyssey of Kundalini creates a humming sound and we hear the sound of those movements on our chakras and based on these they created our Devnagri language. So on the Vishuddhi chakra – the reverberations of Kundalini in the form of the devnagri alphabets is present. The Gods know this language so it is called as Deva Vani (Language of Gods). In this way, the meaning of Sanskrit language is – San + Krut – San means unblemeished or pure, krut means made of, such a language is Sanskrit. After whatever remains became Latin. This way the Sanskrit language manifested and it started getting used in India. That is why Sanskrit language was called as Deva vani (Language). Sanskrit has its importance because it is known to the Gods; the reverberations are understood by the deities residing in us. Similarly the word sacrum has been derived from the word sacred. The language which was read which was Latin, in that language they called it as Sacrum. Means they have also had knowledge about Kundalini. Otherwise they would not have called it sacrum. According to Medical Science, the triangular bone does not burn even if the complete body gets burnt. That is why they call it sacred. Now this power resides in us and you can see it with your own eyes. When Kundalini gets awakened, then in many people, Nabhi chakra which is the higher chakra is pressed tightly. That’s why when kundalini gets awakened; it pushes it to open it. The bandh (knots) about which we read in the Rajayoga, happen internally. It need not be done artificially. This event takes place internally and we can see it at that time. Kundalini is palpitating in the triangular bone as if it is a heart. This actually happens. But people whose state is balanced, who do not go to extremes, who have not reached too high, their kundalini rises effortlessly. Those who do not have any physical, mental or intellectual issues, in such people Kundalini rises effortlessly and they do not face any trouble. Especially, if there are small kids, they do not have any issues. Have seen many elderly people whose Kundalini rises in a second and they get their realization without any trouble. So this power is present in each individual. It is present in us in a dormant state. Just like the power of a sprout is in the seedling. When planted in the mother’s womb, in Mother Earth’s womb the seed starts germinating. And the power which is dormant, it gets activated and it starts sprouting. Similarly we too have this live process in us, and this live process takes place in us. It can happen in a person only when the power which can activate is present before him. This power is not like electricity. Does electricity understand what I am saying? This is the power of love. This is the Almighty’s love. So it understands everything. It knows who I am. It also knows who you are. It also knows what all mistakes you have committed. It is all taped within you. She is your tape. But she is your Mother and she is only your mother. Your Kundalini is your Mother. She does not have another son or daughter. You are her child and you are her everything. She has no interest beyond this. Any how, this child of mine should take another birth is what she struggles for, birth after birth. And that is what she does. So people who say that such a Kundalini troubles you, are bloody fools. Don’t listen to them. Your mother who is struggling day and night for your well being, how can she trouble you? Now what they do is an unauthorized attempt. Suppose a person from village comes and he inserts his fingers in an electric socket and says that electricity gives a shock instead of light, and then what will you say? This is a similar thing. The one whom you call as a wise person is knowledgeable but this knowledgeable person should have knowledge not due to his intellect but due to his state, should know his own state. His wisdom has a state, he is not knowledgeable due to his intellect but is in a specific state and that state is achieved by everyone after Kundalini is awakened. This state is called as self realization. This Kundalini pierces only six chakras. Seventh chakra is below Kundalini. This is also to be particularly remembered. Means donkeys like Rajneesh, - even calling them as donkeys is an insult to a donkey – these people do not know I think, that Kundalini is above the lower chakra. So she is not connected to these things. Ganapati is installed there – the one eternal child Ganapati – he is situated there. He has no relation with this. When this Kundalini awakens, it traverses very subtly like a thin hair through Bramha Nadi - I will not give the names of all nadis as it will be confusing – this is the innermost nadi (channel) and Kundalini emanates out of this and pierces the bramarandhra where the fontanel bone area is, which is called as Talu(in marathi). The talu become very soft as a result. And you will experience chilliness.. You will experience cool breeze coming out of your head. Cool breeze will emanate out of your palms. Now the position of our atma is in our heart. In the heart lies our atma. But this is Hruday Chakra’s seat of its own. Imagine our seat is at Delhi. Even if you are the president here, you inform Delhi. If Delhi knows it, it will reach him. So when the piercing takes place, immediately the atma knows and the cool breeze that flows out of your palms is the reverberations of your atma. This is Anahat. And this is flowing like a cool breeze from the palms; this flow of divine vibrations is emblematic of your atma. Atma is engrossed in its own happiness. It does not think about happiness. It does not search happiness. It is happiness itself. But when its brightness shines on our chitta then it also spreads happiness in our chitta. So this chitta of a human being is the attention of human consciousness. This is human awareness. When the light of atma enters it, then the entire atma enlightens us entirely. If there is a small flame, as we have seen in the gaslight, there is no light to the gas. But the moment the flame touches it, it emanates copious light. Similarly our chitta (attention) which is in darkness, it gets illuminated spontaneously. Due to this light, it imparts universality to us. Means don’t have to tell, the event takes place. It has to. You don’t have to say. Or that you all are brothers or brothers and sisters need not be specified. These divine vibrations that start flowing through your fingers, you get to know on your fingers itself, which of your chakras have a catch. Because these are all the chakras. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. Whether there is a catch on the leftside or right side, you get to know on your fingers. Not only this, but you also know which ones are affected on someone else. You get your realization and you would be able to indicate about these people. It is like this. It does not require any knowledge. Now this small girl here, has already attained her realization. She can also tell you which of your fingers have a catches, because of this you are suffering from cold. Even if you blindfold ten kids, still they will indicate the same finger. Because there is only one truth. Means this becomes subjective knowledge. Hence there is no argument about it. All will indicate the same thing. Even if they have to tell about themselves, still they will say,” my agnya chakra has a catch, Mataji.” What does that mean? Agnya chakra gets affected due to ego. But if we tell someone that he is egoistic, he may retaliate by hitting you. But in Sahaja Yoga, the person himself says,” Just remove this. I can see a big source of ego. Remove it.” This because we see ourselves after getting detached from ourselves. If our sari gets soiled and someone tells us so, then we would readily agree to clean it. But it is not the same with human beings. If someone tells,”you have ego” then one would retaliate. You are not the ego, the ego is stuck to you. Better to get rid of it. At the end he starts observing himself. He becomes a witness to the events and all of us in this world who have forgotten the Almighty, realize that this whole thing is a play(drama). And the drama in which we think we were the Shivaji, we realize that no, we were just enacting Shivaji’s role wearing his clothes, nothing else. This is when life becomes colourful and it becomes blissful. Whatever I told you earlier happens very easily. People should agree at least 99 %. There were some people who came to me whom I called druggist or chemist. Means they used to be in state of coma. Such high consumption of drugs. But they got out of drugs from next day itself. Liquor, cigarette everything. 99 %. But 1% may still be stuck. Some are stubborn, but they should strive hard and they do strive else one gets catches. Then you realize that there is a Catch on the left Visshuddhi, this and that. Then it pains. There is no alternative except removing the catch. This way it happens automatically in a Sahaj manner. Sahaja means Sa-Ha-Ja. Saha means that which is born with you. Such a yoga is your right. This is your birthright which you should achieve. But you get this right with the grace of God and you should request for it humbly. If you say that you would go on strike or form a union for that, it does not work. You must be humble, nothing else works. And it happens for sure. How to tell? It does happen. How to tell? It happens what can one do? It can happen but it is better to tell you beforehand the issues that crop up after you get it. You should be able to fit yourself in else you would be wasted. Don’t get wasted. You will meet me again after ten years and tell me, “Mataji, we had achieved it. But we wasted it”. Then it will be late. So enjoy it completely. Once you are in, and then enjoy it fully. But this is the issue with Sahaj Yoga. You cannot pay money etc. to Mataji. You cannot tie up Mataji. She will come and go at her will. This is the situation. So a person feels awkward that he has not given any money. If a movie is not worth watching and you have paid for it then you would sit through because you have paid. So even if it is so painful still you would sit through. You have not paid anything for SahajaYoga so what binding do you have? You need to acquire some insight. When you start enjoying, then even if I ask you to leave Sahaja Yoga, you will say, “ No, not at all. We do not want anything other than this. This is what we want”. But first you have to progress with some effort. They see. The various deities in you observe all this and the level at which you are. If you are not up to the mark they will discard you. So I personally wish to tell you that even if you find me pretty straightforward, I am not like that. There is a lot of illusion. So do not get entangled with me. Keep a check on yourself. Understood? Because without the use of illusion how can I recognize you? So sometimes I do weave a yarn. Do not get entangled in it. Keep a check. And ask those who have got their realization before you so they will tell you,” Where did we fumble, what mistakes did we commit.” You will understand after they tell you that you should not fumble just like what these people did. Now there came a person in Brighton who started showing off. He came and sat in a huff and then he said to me, “I am here to help you etc. etc.” in a very loud voice. If a person is abnormal then he is not a Sahaja Yogi. In Sahaja Yoga you should be absolutely normal. His clothes should be normal means if someone starts moving around in weird clothes, and then consider that he is not a Sahaja Yogi. Only if he is absolutely normal then he is a Sahaja Yogi. This is his identification. If someone starts behaving in an abnormal manner as if he is someone special then you should tell him that it’s OK, he will get cured. Many such people had been here. There is this episode regarding Jawaharlalji. Once he had been to a mental hospital.. An insane person asked him, “Who are you?” “I am Jawaharlal” “Is that so? Are you the Prime Minister Jawaharlal?” “Yes, Yes. Its me ” “Don’t worry. You will get cured. We also used to say the same.” So this is what it is. So keep a watch on yourself. Everything will become normal. Do not show off anything. Don’t do anything special. You are done the moment you show off. Many such people used to be there. Used to breathe abnormally, used to shout. I wondered what sort of mental hospital is this? Don’t do any such thing. Whom do you want to show? You are showing it to yourself. You are giving certificate to yourself. Don’t need any certificate from Mataji. What is the use of that certificate? Give your own certificate to yourself. This is enough. Don’t take Mataji’s certificate. Because I am a tricky person. I may tell you something. Don’t get entangled in that. I may not tell you a few things. You understand yourself on your own, you do have that competence. Just keep in mind that I will not be untruthful to myself. Why to do so.? If we start cheating ourselves, that’s the end of it. What sort of wisdom is this? So do not cheat yourself. Achieve it. The other thing is, you will not get it by thinking. One might say that I will achieve it by thinking. This is beyond thoughts. This is not within your bounds, it is infinite. So what is infinite, you cannot put a boundary around it. There is a limit to thoughts. But what you will achieve, you will find it logical. There is logic to it. It is not illogical. But it is not rational. Means you get confused, how can Mataji say this? How can that happen? It happens, you just see. It is possible. But instead kept on pondering….. “Recently, I read a book. It was written therein.” Mataji - “But did you get it, think like that. You did not get it until now, right? Then get it. You did not get it – this is indisputable. Otherwise why did you come to me? Now that you have come, get it. What else can I say beyond this? Get it for free. I am giving you what is yours. Take it.” Now ask questions if you have any. Not later on. Question – Don’t feel that Kundalini has awakened. Answer – You will feel after it happens. You will feel when it happens. Means what will you feel? You will have cool breeze coming out of your palms. After this feeling, how to recognize if one has become realized or not. Imagine, I have given you a thousand rupees. And you are Englishman. And you don’t know what a rupee is. How will you know till you encash it in the market. You need to use your hands to know what has happened. It has no connection with the intellect. You need to experiment it. When Mataji says that one has become realized, Just check, try to raise the kundalini. Does it rise for others? You will be surprised with yourself. Met a boy at Paris. He said,”It is too good to be true, Mother. I don’t know how to believe it. “ I said, “It is. I am talking about God; I am not talking about simple things. He is God Almighty. You say that. But do you know what does that mean. He is God Almighty. It is an enormous power. Try it out.” There is another thought as to how it will it come into us. Well, it is so because you are someone special. Told you hundred times. But people don’t believe that they are special. So again and again I am telling you that you are special and something should happen to this special one, so that his speciality should get illuminated. This event should only take place. Now you yourself should experiment to know if it is true or not. But there is a protocol to it also. Imagine that someone gave you a diamond. Will you say to that person that this is a lie, this is not a diamond? Is this befitting? Then you will surreptitiously take the diamond to a jeweller. “I did not say anything there. I don’t know how this diamond was acquired. Please check if it is real.” Then he will bow to you and say,” Oh my God! Where did you get it from? It is precious.” So, do you sense the cold breeze? Close your eyes, remove your spectacles.

12/9/1980

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Seminar Part 3

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Akurdi

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[Marathi to English translation] Public Program, Marathi, Penicillin Factory, Akurdi, Pune 1980-12-09 Last year we had a program at Akurdi, at that time I had casually mentioned that we should explore in Penicillin factory; lot of people could get their realization. People did not understand then why Mataji had mentioned the name of Penicillin Factory. The reason was that I had come here at Pune for my brother’s wedding and had stayed in your guest house. That time, I had walked a lot bare foot in the morning and it was my desire that if this place could also become vibrant, then the atmosphere here would certainly have an effect on the workers who would come here. And that is seen today. So we will understand the reason why Seeta and Ram moved around bare foot in this Maharashtra. The Almighty has done a lot of work. We don’t realize what the entire Almighty has done for us. Look at the entire nature how beautifully it has been created by Him. We see that in our everyday dealings but we do not realize that whatever food we eat, whatever fruits we eat, these fruits also have been created by the Almighty for us. We cannot extract a fruit from a flower. Cannot do even a single live task. Science professes that we became humans from amoeba. That too has been done by the Almighty. Several times there have been incarnations of God. In The form of Vishnu. And He has done this work of evolution. But whenever these incarnations took place, people did not understand what benefit it brings to them. That is why we did not have any structure. That is why we did not have any higher pedestal. Why don’t we think over as to why did Shri Vishnu have incarnations as Dashavtaar (ten forms)? And if we observe carefully, we see first is matsyavtaar(Fish Form). Why matsyavtaar? That’s because the fish came first out of water. If we see further incarnations one by one, even then you will notice that then the reptiles got created. This way, many different types of creatures that got created has God’s hand in it. Lastly the humans got created. In that too, the Incarnation of Christ should be believd as the last one. After that Budhha came, Mahavir came. Nanak, Kabir, all of these came. Great saints hermits like Dnyanesha took birth in Maharashtra. There are several others saints like them such as Namdeo, Eknaath, Tukaram. Great saint Ramdas Swamy was also one of them. These saints did not establish any religion as is the common belief. They established that religion in us. Within us. They have built a religion of mankind. Not as an external entity. Built temples, we became Hindus. Built mosques, we became Muslims. Great. Christians built church, we became Christians. You are only humans. You must accept this first. Christ has also said that all those who do not oppose me, are mine. Who are they? But he was not allowed to speak. He was eliminated in three years. He spoke only for three years. He was not allowed to speak after that. A great blessing of Dattatraya like Sainath had come here. He was a Muslim. Still we revere him, right? We believe that he was Dattatraya. How did we know this? How did we know that he was indeed an incarnation of Dattatraya? Due to his power. We came to know because of his power. But now, a state for humans has come that you yourself know your power. Whether Ashtavinayak is true or false, jyotirling is true or false . Not only this but I have seen in London, people out there don’t know anything. There is a place known as Stonehench. There too, there are stones that are protruding. And they have vibrations, those are divine vibrations. They don’t know what that is. They call them by this name or that name. But if you see, then you understand that they have vibrations. So you should be born again is mentioned by everyone. Muslims called them Peer. That you should become a Peer. Nanak has called such person as “par”. There is no difference between Nanak and Muhammad. Not even the slightest. Both are same. Christ has called it as “you are to be born again” clearly. You should be born again. Called as Baptisma, baptism. In Hindu religion it is called as “Bramhatva”. Should become a Brahmin. Today one becomes Brahmin as per ones birth. It is not like that. If that was the case then sage Vyas would not have been a Brahmin who has written Geeta. He was a son of a fisherman. Valmiki himself was a fisherman. People are classified by putting in their heads, some deceptive concept that religion is as per birth. How to break the structure of a family, how to isolate them, to break them, how to create disharmony and create an environment of hatred is the work that these people have done. But a human is an element of God. If the Almighty is a complete body form then each cell there in is a human, each peshi(muscle) is a human. It is only when he becomes awakened, only then he understands that he is a part and parcel of the cosmic superpower(Viraat). Unless this happens, it cannot be understood. Externally whatever worship we do. It happened with Tulsidas. Tulsidas himself applied the kumkum on Ram’s forehead and Ram appeared in front of him, recognized him. Nobody recognized Christ. Had he been recognized, they would not have crucified him. The one who himself is God’s son, incarnation of Ganesh, actual incarnation of Bramha, Bramha who appeared in person, you crucified him. If they would have recognized that Sainath is an incarnation of Datta, this is very recent, that in your land of Maharashtra he did not even have food to eat. You are such great followers of Datta. Did you recognize Datta? Now after he is gone, they are worshipping him. But you have given immense respect to rogues when they were alive. That happened due to ignorance. You did not have knowledge nor the vision. Could not see. That is why this happened. The Almighty has decided to forgive all for this. Forget what has happened. Forget all that happened in the past. Only achieve what is there at present. And to achieve that , God has retained this power in us. Since ages, this Mother, Kundalini , called as Jagdamba has been retained in us by the Almighty. It is in a dormant state like a seedling. It resides in the triangular bone. It is called as sacrum in English. See. Sacrum also means sacred. Means holy, pure. In those days too, people knew in Latin language that ‘this’ is a special holy thing. It is written that due to awakening of this power, you can have the vision of atma. This power must be awakened in us. If this power is awakened – in spite of that by mere discourse or by pursuing some thought that we are fine, that what we did is right, we agree with that only - our lives will go waste. If we do not connect this machine to the mains then it will not work. It will not have power. All the labour, whatever hard work we put in to make this, will all go waste. What the Almighty has made you by putting in hard work, till you understand its meaning and know what you are, till then you too will go waste. So you should get connected to God. ‘Sahaj’ means since birth. Your relation of being one with God is your birth right. It is in you since your birth. This resides in you in the form of a seedling, in the form of a power, in the form of Kundalini. But this Kundalini too does not get awakened normally. It is beyond dispute. If you give a seed to a savage person and he does not have an inkling about trees. If you tell him that that this large tree has grown from this seed, then he will say how is it possible. He will break it, demolish it. Will say that we tried to penetrate it still we did not understand. If this power was there, would have seen it. But if you give it to a gardener he knows that after placing it in the womb of mother earth, it will sprout. Because it has this power in a dormant form. That is why a mother’s form is needed. Because mother is ready to toil. To get upset, to get angry is very easy. But people find it difficult to love. I don’t at all feel it difficult. Also the awakening of Kundalini will happen only in those people who themselves are loving. Those who do not have love, who do not have presence of God in them, those who do not have the right for this, Kundalini will not get awakened before them. Now take this general observation. If a school teacher comes then the children will immediately stand up. But if a school porter comes, will the children rise? Only the person who has the authority will be able to do this job and this authority too is in love. We do not understand this. We construe authority only as rule of stick. But this is authority of love. Only that person can awaken the kundalini who has the authority of love. This is the dictum. Not only this, the person who established the Hindu religion, who was the motivator, Adi Shankaracharya has preached that by doing yoga sankhya etc. by having a debate on that, by having discourses on them, by talking a lot about them, or by standing upside down or by singing bhajans(religious songs), you do not achieve God. You get it due to awakening of Kundalini and this awakening of Kundalini happens due to blessings of Mother only. This is written very clearly. And in his last book, which is known as “Saundarya Lahri” (Waves of beauty), he has not discussed anything. Firstly, he wrote a book called Vivek Chudamani in which he has said nothing else, only praised Mother. The one thousand chakras of mother that he knew, he described them entirely in great detail, what is the meaning when she says”hun” , what happens when she says “ha”, how she moves around and at that time how the paths(route) of power are created and how the Kundalini gets awakened etc. etc. only this he kept on describing. So people asked him that in spite of you being such a learned person what is this? He said that there is nothing beyond this. Without this if the Kundalini does not get awakened, then why tell other things. Means if we wish to grow a seed into a plant and if we give a lecture that this seed is like this and that one is like that, this and that , then is anything going to develop in it? You may do hatha yoga in front of it or stand upside down otherwise lot many people cut their tongue and thrust them down the throat. Try various things. To stand on one foot for hours, keep a fast. Do this . Do that. Keep on chanting names. Keep on parroting things by heart. Try it. Is it going to form a sapling? It will come easily. Will come automatically. Spontaneous. You don’t have to do anything for it. Today you have become human. What is your contribution in it? Now this invention of Penicillin made by Madam Curie, how did she make it? It is better to reproduce it from her book. She says that I was searching everywhere but I could not find. Once I was sitting quietly when somewhere from the unknown, suddenly I got to know that will get this penicillin at this place. Whatever is known is in front of us. It is available in the library. Whatever is unknown when conveyed from there becomes knowledge. And mostly which is unknown is this truth that you are an atma. You are atma. You are not this body, mind, intellect, ego . You are atma. This is the real truth. Once this truth gets established in us, is felt and the atma starts flowing through us then we will know the real truth means you will become capable. Before that if you say don’t do this, don’t do that, break this break that . wear black clothes or wear white clothes. Otherwise wear this on head and move around like a sanyasi - is there any meaning to all these things in the world. Those who did all this , you have seen since thousands of years- traditional- does it have any meaning? Till the time you become aware, till the light enters you , till then transformation is impossible. Take the example of a seed again. There is transformation in the seed only when its seedling gets activated. The seedling should get activated. Till the time the seedling gets awakened in you till then transformation of any type in you cannot take place. There can be no growth in you. There can be no progress in you. And whatever behavior like a blind person you are doing, it cannot change. Once you get the vision, you will immediately understand that this is black here, this is white here, this is blue here. In darkness, all colours look alike. You don’t understand anything and don’t know what to do. Now one method is, you came in a room full of darkness. While groping in the dark, you get hold of a chair. You think that the chair is the room. You know the story of an elephant. ( Mataji speaking with sahaja Yogis – come a little forward…… Till 16.5) . They go to the temple. We want to have darshan. It see this here too . Mataji give us darshan. Even if thousands of people come still they want darshan. Enough of darshan now. How many times you fell at God’s feet. From here you go on foot to Pandurang’s place. There you have rubbed even his foot excessively. Did anything enter inside you? Ask yourself this question. I saw, that even the feet of poor Pandurang , even the stones of his feet have been scraped out. But has anything happened here? Just say that “Pandurang is being dwindled like sandalwood”. He is being dwindled but what has become of you? Did you imbibe the fragrance of sandalwood? Because the sandalwood is not yet awakened. It should get awakened. Let it happen then we will speak the rest. First at least take the light. If you come in this room in darkness, like what I was telling before, what will you see? You see this thing then that is the truth, see that thing then that is the truth. If you stumble across a fan then the fan is the truth. Keep on fighting for that. The fan renter to fight with the chair renter, the chair renter to fight with the carpet renter. This happens continuously. They say this is the truth, others say that is the truth. But because everybody’s eyes are closed … Now see, mother will tell you this. You sit down a little quietly. Will open eyes , then see. You know that if you press one button then you see light everywhere but you need a knowledgeable person. Only the person who knows these lights will know. Only he will become. If he tells you to press this button to light the lamp, the light will get on immediately. But behind this light , there is so much of prior arrangement. Complete history is behind it. That is why it is not only like pressing the button. Means this Kundalini which is within us and these chakras which the Almighty has created in us, and those are positioned , those you can see. The rising of the Kundalini, her vibrations are seen in many people. So this work which the Almighty has done is not today’s work. When you were carbon, whatever you were even before that , it is from those times. And the whole universe is within us. The whole universe is within us. But to know that universe, one needs to first acquire the light of atma. In the evening I am going to speak on atma. Today I will speak on Kundalini. Kundalini power is the power of your pure desire, power of pure desire. Means there is no other mixture in that desire. Only to obtain the Almighty, to amalgamate with the Almighty. To obtain the Almighty by achieving the vision of the atma , is the pure desire that the Almighty has kept in you in the form of Kundalini. She is there. But is faint. If she gets a little motivation then she will become fully awakened ,will overcome all your desires and suck your complete attention inside and give the vison of atma to you. Now if you are asked to take your attention to your atma, can you take it there.? You cannot. Your attention is towards me, towards my speech. But if I say that take your attention there, you cannot do that. But once this event takes place ,then automatically the attention will be sucked in and the person will recognize the atma. When this happens then there is a sudden transformation in the person. Sudden. At that instant. The face acquires a sudden glow, the eyes start shining, just like diamonds. Cold breeze starts flowing through the hand. “Sheesham Shivam”. When electricity comes here, we need to tell you how to manage it, how to use it. How to take it from here to there, how to do its connection, how to put in instruments like rheostat etc. in between. It is similar with Sahaj Yoga. After becoming realized, learn about it. But it is so easily achievable.. .. because inside us, I don’t have to tell you now that this is blue colour. But once somebody did tell you that this is blue colour. Now we know what blue colour is. Know what is red colour. Need to be told once. Similarly if it is told once that this is Vishuddhi chakra where ShriKrishna is positioned, and when it goes bad that causes diseases like cold cough etc. This chakra also goes bad due to excessive name chanting. Similarly this chakra, this is left side Vishuddhi chakra. It catches due to consumption of tobacco etc. Or if a person thinks that he is always wrong , means a person who all the time thinks with an inferiority complex gets a catch on his chakra. Then how to overcome this? Because one can do it only after getting connected. Before that without a connection where will you make even the telephone call? They say that we remember the Almighty all the time. Just like that. Then? They say that they perform pooja of the pind(emblem of Lord Shiva) by taking it on their hand and suffered from an heart attack. How did you suffer from a heart attack even while you had Shiva in your heart? The reason for this is the unauthorized try. You still have to go in the kingdom of God. Till the time you don’t go in the God’s kingdom, you are not the citizen God. Unless you become citizen of God, how can you use the blessings of His kingdom? What right do you have over it.. Imagine you are the citizen of India then you have the right on the prime minister of India. But if you make a protest march after going to England then people will apprehend you. Who are you? Hence a person first needs to go to the kingdom of God and then his devotion really blossoms. Krishna has said very beautifully about this in Geeta. Krishna was a great politician. In fact his entire incarnation was a divine play(leela). He used to create spectacles to explain to people. They normally don’t listen easily. Give them a whack somewhere then they understand. If one cannot extract ghee with a straight finger then bend the finger slightly. And the time was like that. So Krishna told only Arjun. Did not tell anybody else. And in event if that was not understood by Arjun, then he did things by bending his finger. I will tell you Geeta exactly in two words. What is its essence. Then you also understand it. Firstly, in the beginning itself He said that acquire knowledge. How are you going to acquire knowledge, by reading a book? Kabira has said, “ by reading excessively, the learned becomes an idiot” (Padhi Padhi pandit murakh bhaye) and I see such idiots, they come daily. “Padhatmurkh” ( educated idiots) is a very sharp expression in our Marathi language. Ramdas must have seen several educated idiots that is why he has referred to them as Padhatmurkh. With these Padhatmurkh it will not happen. The consciousness that we have inside, when it gets awakened, in that consciousness what we know is knowledge (“Dnyan”). Today we have human consciousness. Imagine there is filth here then we cannot tread through that filth. We would immediately cover our nose. But if you need a horse to wade through, it will not get the putrid smell. It does not have this consciousness. Its mind has not got that awareness. Or its being does not have that consciousness that this is filth, and one should not go through it. Again if you give him anything of any colour, it will not understand. We understand colour combination, understand what is beauty. The human consciousness has these things. But we understand sin and virtue only by our intellect. Don’t do this because mother told you it is bad, don’t do this because father has told you or don’t do this because it is written so in Geeta. But it has still not entered in our consciousness. After Sahaj Yoga it comes in your consciousness. Means even if you want to do it, you will not be able to do it. You will suffer. Get the vibrations. If you think that let us try to do something, immediately your head will have a catch. It will happen automatically. You don’t have to make any effort for that. After this dharma gets awakened in you, I will not have to tell you. You can do on your own. There was a gentleman. He used to consume a lot of tobacco. After Sahaj Yoga also he made no effort. In a moment he could have quit it. But he did not try. As he was taking tobacco since childhood , he was unable to quit it. Finally he came to me and said,” Mataji, when I sit for meditation, I feel my face is becoming increasingly bigger. I don’t understand if it is becoming like Hanuman.” Now shall I tell you the truth? I know that you take tobacco. Go to backside and sometimes take tobacco in this way. Isn’t it the truth? He said I do take a lot. No doubt about it. I concede that. I said promise in front of me, will not take tobacco. What do you gain by hiding from me? On saying this ,the tobacco addiction was gone that very moment . Gone forever. By different ways such things can be gotten rid of. Automatically Dharma gets awakened within. Needless to say, no need to toil for this. This was the awakening of dharma, that is knowledge. Knowledge means, the persona that is within you, has that consciousness. That consciousness itself must get awakened. Krishna has called this “dnyan”(Knowledge) and that is why he has said that you can understand God with Dnyan only. This is knowledge. About devotion, He has then said that if you wish to perform devotion, then it must be ananya (exclusive). That is very good. Flowers, Fruits, Water- offer me whatever is there. I will take it. I take everything at the time of taking. At the time of giving, ananya. Now you see that word has a sub element. Ananya. Means when the other one is not there. Means those who have achieved realization. One can enjoy devotion only after he gets realisation. Otherwise whom do you call with your entire might. Just like what I have told you, there are many types of Sahaj Yoga. Several people got innumerable blessings. We had one architect. Said Mataji I used to worship God so much, used to worship Goddess so much but I was always in abject poverty. After coming to Sahaj Yoga it is said it pours rain of rain. What is rain of rain? So he said I was sent to build houses of a special type at a place, where it rained very heavily and there it was flood of money. A very ordinary man. Farmer. His small piece of land. Only half an acre and he was a Koli(fisherman). Whenever he used to come for my darshan everyday he used to bring a beautiful garland of flowers. I said,” Dear brother (Dada), why do you spend so much? This is too much for you Patil (headman). Don’t do this much. I feel awkward. “Mother, he said. You know it, then why say this to me. He said that in my farm, half the land was barren. And I use half of the land which is nearly half acre. A fellow came to me and said can I take some soil from this land. If I use this soil then due to this soil, the bricks will turn out to be good. Even if this soil is mixed a little - and he said he got lot of money from it. So one garland is nothing. This way the Lakshmi principle within you, which is on the Nabhi Chakra gets awakened. It happens. That is why Krishna has said that do the “ananya” bhakti (devotional worship). Till the time you are not connected to the Almighty, what is the use of this crying loudly. So many varkaris (Vitthal’s devotees) go for pilgrimage. See what their condition is. Poverty. Their health is bad. They are suffering from cancer. Trouble in their throat. The beating they got from the Badwas (strongmen at the temples) and many such atrocities. Their state is like beggars. Would Vitthal like such things? But they are not yet connected to Vitthal. Everything changed the moment it happened. That is why He said do “ananya” bhakti. First get connected to the Almighty. Then that devotional worship becomes enjoyable. Otherwise it seems that it is something imaginary. Our children do not remember God anymore. Because at our place get up at four in the morning, prepare chandan paste, give bath to God. What did they get even after doing this? They become angry with the same intensity. They drink if they feel like. Have black money so they use black money. All ill pastimes. Only they get up in the morning and prepare the paste. So what did they get? If they did not get anything then why should we toil. Hence they have concluded that there is no God. In Algeria their elderly people , they are just like Khomeni. They are called fundamentalist. And their custom, if a person makes a slight mistake then his hand is severed. If someone does something, then shear his neck. Bury him in sand and hit by shoes from the top. Such draconian methods they applied. They came up with a race. Started something similar to what Khomeni did. Excessive religious fanaticism. Seeing that, the children out there became communists. They said that God cannot be like this. How can God be so cruel? But one of the boys came to our London and achieved realization. One boy. He immediately went and told that there is God. He was not a religious fanatic nor he denied anything, he was in the centre. And today you will be surprised , here there are much learned and well educated children of Muslims. Five hundred children have achieved realization in Algeria. Hence think of your children in your society tomorrow. To tell you further, this is the time of fight till the end. Hence you should do the “ananya” bhakti. Third is Karmayog , what Krishna said that whatever karma(deed) you need to do, keep it at the Almighty’s feet. (offer it to Him). Several people ask me ” Mataji, whatever we did, we kept it at the Almighty’s feet”. These are impossible things. It was ShriKrishna’s method that tell the impossible things. Impossible. Even though you say you have kept it in the Almighty’s feet, but have you actually kept it? Because till the time you have ego , that thing will not leave you. One must get rid of that ego. Now people think that to leave ego they will have to fight with the ego. They started in that direction. Just like a balloon gets bigger and bigger whenever it is struck. Such a person acquires double the ego. They say we have relinquished this, given up that. Only given up intellect. Nothing else. People thus acquire lot of ego. And they live in the false belief that they have left everything to the Almighty. In illusion. It happens only when this starts flowing through your hands effortlessly. And what do you say ? its flowing. going, coming, something strange. You are someone else, this is divine energy flowing. Should say, Mataji , Kundalini is rising. A lady had accompanied me to America. She said Mataji I came with you with so much expectation that you would give realization to my son but he is not getting it. I said what can I do? You give a certificate. The lady said, how can one give a certificate. I said, it should happen. Just like you, I also wish but even then it should happen no? Should happen. One cannot speak lies in that. One cannot pay for it. Cannot stand upside down Whatever it is, is like this. Even in karmayog, this will happen only when, you get your realization. Then they say its happening, coming, going. Now we have witnessed it ourselves. Till this does not happen, till then people should not think in their illusion that we have become great farmics( (dharmic). Then we must say that the dharma gets so much awakened as if a flower becomes a fruit and the flower completely get used up, a person becomes gunateet (beyond satva,raja,tama gunas, transcendental ), becomes dharmateet( beyond Dharma). That state should come. These days there are innumerable types, different types of gurus different types of cults. Mushrooming uncontrollably. But did you get anything? Only yesterday a person had come to me. He said that I feel I have got realization. Who gave? My guru. I said listen, if feel so then tell where this person’s kundalini is? You must atleast have this much knowledge. I cannot say that. Ok, then tell me where is yours? I cannot tell even that. I said then what realization did you have? Imagine a blind person gets his eyesight. Will say “ my eyes are ok now” then the doctor will ask how many fingers are these. I cannot tell that but my eyesight is back. How can this happen? You should see that , right? Should understand that , right? Should feel that right? Otherwise how is your eyesight OK now? These are the types of gurus. Said that I can feel the action. Is that so? A person came and and sat with his legs towards me. A sahaj yogi told him you should not sit like this, in front of Mataji.. I know that but what can I do? If I fold my legs then I become like a frog. Is that so? What our guru said that once you get your realization you will become like a frog. Now are you going to become a frog henceforth after becoming a human? Or a snake or a scorpion? Consider this simple thought. How come you fly like a frog, stand upside down means you cannot even maintain your own balance. The body whose balance you gained in the human form, that too is lost and beyond that you started dancing erratically, started flying like a mad person, started taking off clothes – means what is this idiocity? And that person said that he achieved realization. If a person was to get realization by becoming naked then first get realization for all animals. Why people? They infer absolutely senseless things. But one wonders about the limits of these idiots. If you emulate such intelligence then you already have a supply department for this. Many people come after getting ready this way. There was a gentleman at our Nagpur. I know him very well. He was in Saheb’s(my husband) company but a very useless person. His father requested to position him somewhere. His father was also in our office. So Saheb said OK, I will send him to the personnel (department). He did many frauds there. He did black marketing, smuggling whatever he could do ,he did. Then his father died. He inherited property etc. sold wife’s ornaments, sold the house, did this and did that and ran away. His mother came weeping now what to do, we believed him and gave him ornaments , all of them . Now the son has done the robbery, how to go to the police. The poor lady went somewhere in Baroda at her mother’s place. Now this fellow became very famous. In the name of Gulab Baba. He kept his name as Gulab Baba. His mother said that he sent lot of money to her and did so many things. He established a house for us again. Used to send money. So once I implored to him. Asked him who are you. How do you send us money. Wrote this in a letter. Later on got to know that he is well known as Gulab Baba. Gulab Baba. Means he is an aggressive ( overbearing) fellow. So I sent a message that inform that Gulab Baba that I am coming to Nagpur. After that, Gulab Baba was not seen at all for three months by anyone. And what was he telling everybody- the numbers(tips) for the horses on the race course. And all the Marwadi people would go there and ask for the number for horses. Now think about this. Does God know the number for horses? But people were standing there in a queue. You will be surprised. Thousands of people going to him, see the wisdom of people All such gross things. Of Sorcery. So what if a diamond is given to you or even a horse , doesn’t God have common intelligence? Another thing, our ladies get possessed. All the maids get possessed by the Devi. She could not find a better place, poor thing. Started worshipping them. Fall at their feet and that’s it. But how difficult it is to get possessed. How much they suffer? People turn insane, become crazy. These all are matters of sorcery. Especially in our Maharashtra and they do it in the temples. This thing takes place in the temple of Mahalakshmi. Their trustee told me Mataji you here in person and still these things take place. Said stop it right away. First thing to do. Second thing, close these shops then I would come. And called them straight away in the temple. Told them that first stop these businesses of extortion that you have started in the name of God. That resulted in their annoyance with me. Said I don’t care. You will get upset today, tomorrow. The government took over in ten days. You give importance to your own people and they take advantage of you. You will not get God this way. God is within you. Attain Him. Then the third type. Nanak told that search within. If Search within then chant those bhajans incessantly. Search within O man ,search within. Who is going to search? I told you that if you take this penicillin then you will feel alright. Then you start chanting on the road that If I take penicillin then I will be alright. So what, did you take the penicillin? Did you treat yourself? Did it give you any benefit? This is like applying your intelligence at the wrong place. Then using this intelligence make fun of God. There is no God. This is some unnecessary falsity. It is either “durbuddhi” ( bad intelligence) or “subuddhi” (wisdom) . Not subuddhi. Subuddhi means God Himself. Hence we beseech Vinayaka to give us subuddhi. This is our innocent Vinayak who is the giver of subuddhi. And we ask Him to give us Subuddhi. Let us also obtain God through your(Ganesha’s) subuddhi. Now who is Vinayak? Who is Shankar? Who is Krishna? What is their position in us? Who is Christ? Who is Muhammad? We do not know anything about them. Some religious preacher stands up. Applies black powder made from tar to us. And gives some lecture with a blackened face. We fall at his feet that’s the end of it. God has already given you such a great treasure in yourself. Shouldn’t we obtain it? We must obtain it. And you will surely obtain it. Especially in this holy land of Maharashtra. After seeing Shivaji Maharaj I suddenly remembered those days. .. and how great was his understanding. As if he was an incarnation. He knew what dharma is. He also treated the Muslim daughter-in-law with great respect and set an example as to how one should regard the ladies belonging to others. Inspite of being from the royalty, such enlightened people have taken birth in this country. This is one speciality of Maharashtra. But they were realized ,. awakened people. They were the greatest Sahaj Yogi from Maharashtra. But that time whatever action was necessary, that time our country was under foreign rule hence it was necessary to fight, they did that task. But as they were realized souls, they acted with righteousness. Did not perpetrate injustice.. Today the situation has come where the subservience that we have within, whatever we did with our subservience, to overcome that, we must awaken Shivaji within us. This task is very simple and straight forward. I have conjured the alchemy for it. Whatever afflictions different people have, I have delved deep in their kundalinis and ferreted those out. I know the minutest detail about these people and understand that they belong to this genre, these people belong to this melodramatic group. Then how to manage them, that’s exactly what I am going to tell. It is very easy. But one should not have any illusory ideas about oneself. First thing. One should not have an inferiority complex. Many people feel, Mataji I am a poor person, what capabilities I have, I am good for nothing. Listen, if you were, then why would you be here in front of me? Second thing is that I am someone special. Supercilious person ( Marathi- shishtam bharti). They say that one scientist is a very accomplished person. I said if is it so. Now ask one question, Mataji do you encompass the entire knowledge of science? Immediately the power started flowing through his hands. This power comes from somewhere. Outwardly the huge tree that we see, where does the power in it come from? From its roots . These are buried deep down. If we become only the tree can we live? In the western countries, people are only behind becoming the tree. Now they think only about one thing as to how to end life. Right from morning to evening they are engrossed in how to give up life. The tree will survive only after discovering the roots. And the roots are in this country itself. We have got hold of them. Now entire human life will become pleasant. The power needed for this will be accomplished by Sahaj Yoga. Today evening I am certainly going to tell you all about chakras. And due to this ,how the state our political,social, financial and mental as well as physical condition gets better, I will tell about this in the evening. Still I have told a lot. Ask if you have any questions. And now get your realization as it is quite late. So get your realization first . Without getting realization , nothing will happen. If you have any questions please ask.

[Marathi to English translation] Public Program, Marathi, Penicillin Factory, Akurdi, Pune 1980-12-09 Last year we had a program at Akurdi, at that time I had casually mentioned that we should explore in Penicillin factory; lot of people could get their realization. People did not understand then why Mataji had mentioned the name of Penicillin Factory. The reason was that I had come here at Pune for my brother’s wedding and had stayed in your guest house. That time, I had walked a lot bare foot in the morning and it was my desire that if this place could also become vibrant, then the atmosphere here would certainly have an effect on the workers who would come here. And that is seen today. So we will understand the reason why Seeta and Ram moved around bare foot in this Maharashtra. The Almighty has done a lot of work. We don’t realize what the entire Almighty has done for us. Look at the entire nature how beautifully it has been created by Him. We see that in our everyday dealings but we do not realize that whatever food we eat, whatever fruits we eat, these fruits also have been created by the Almighty for us. We cannot extract a fruit from a flower. Cannot do even a single live task. Science professes that we became humans from amoeba. That too has been done by the Almighty. Several times there have been incarnations of God. In The form of Vishnu. And He has done this work of evolution. But whenever these incarnations took place, people did not understand what benefit it brings to them. That is why we did not have any structure. That is why we did not have any higher pedestal. Why don’t we think over as to why did Shri Vishnu have incarnations as Dashavtaar (ten forms)? And if we observe carefully, we see first is matsyavtaar(Fish Form). Why matsyavtaar? That’s because the fish came first out of water. If we see further incarnations one by one, even then you will notice that then the reptiles got created. This way, many different types of creatures that got created has God’s hand in it. Lastly the humans got created. In that too, the Incarnation of Christ should be believd as the last one. After that Budhha came, Mahavir came. Nanak, Kabir, all of these came. Great saints hermits like Dnyanesha took birth in Maharashtra. There are several others saints like them such as Namdeo, Eknaath, Tukaram. Great saint Ramdas Swamy was also one of them. These saints did not establish any religion as is the common belief. They established that religion in us. Within us. They have built a religion of mankind. Not as an external entity. Built temples, we became Hindus. Built mosques, we became Muslims. Great. Christians built church, we became Christians. You are only humans. You must accept this first. Christ has also said that all those who do not oppose me, are mine. Who are they? But he was not allowed to speak. He was eliminated in three years. He spoke only for three years. He was not allowed to speak after that. A great blessing of Dattatraya like Sainath had come here. He was a Muslim. Still we revere him, right? We believe that he was Dattatraya. How did we know this? How did we know that he was indeed an incarnation of Dattatraya? Due to his power. We came to know because of his power. But now, a state for humans has come that you yourself know your power. Whether Ashtavinayak is true or false, jyotirling is true or false . Not only this but I have seen in London, people out there don’t know anything. There is a place known as Stonehench. There too, there are stones that are protruding. And they have vibrations, those are divine vibrations. They don’t know what that is. They call them by this name or that name. But if you see, then you understand that they have vibrations. So you should be born again is mentioned by everyone. Muslims called them Peer. That you should become a Peer. Nanak has called such person as “par”. There is no difference between Nanak and Muhammad. Not even the slightest. Both are same. Christ has called it as “you are to be born again” clearly. You should be born again. Called as Baptisma, baptism. In Hindu religion it is called as “Bramhatva”. Should become a Brahmin. Today one becomes Brahmin as per ones birth. It is not like that. If that was the case then sage Vyas would not have been a Brahmin who has written Geeta. He was a son of a fisherman. Valmiki himself was a fisherman. People are classified by putting in their heads, some deceptive concept that religion is as per birth. How to break the structure of a family, how to isolate them, to break them, how to create disharmony and create an environment of hatred is the work that these people have done. But a human is an element of God. If the Almighty is a complete body form then each cell there in is a human, each peshi(muscle) is a human. It is only when he becomes awakened, only then he understands that he is a part and parcel of the cosmic superpower(Viraat). Unless this happens, it cannot be understood. Externally whatever worship we do. It happened with Tulsidas. Tulsidas himself applied the kumkum on Ram’s forehead and Ram appeared in front of him, recognized him. Nobody recognized Christ. Had he been recognized, they would not have crucified him. The one who himself is God’s son, incarnation of Ganesh, actual incarnation of Bramha, Bramha who appeared in person, you crucified him. If they would have recognized that Sainath is an incarnation of Datta, this is very recent, that in your land of Maharashtra he did not even have food to eat. You are such great followers of Datta. Did you recognize Datta? Now after he is gone, they are worshipping him. But you have given immense respect to rogues when they were alive. That happened due to ignorance. You did not have knowledge nor the vision. Could not see. That is why this happened. The Almighty has decided to forgive all for this. Forget what has happened. Forget all that happened in the past. Only achieve what is there at present. And to achieve that , God has retained this power in us. Since ages, this Mother, Kundalini , called as Jagdamba has been retained in us by the Almighty. It is in a dormant state like a seedling. It resides in the triangular bone. It is called as sacrum in English. See. Sacrum also means sacred. Means holy, pure. In those days too, people knew in Latin language that ‘this’ is a special holy thing. It is written that due to awakening of this power, you can have the vision of atma. This power must be awakened in us. If this power is awakened – in spite of that by mere discourse or by pursuing some thought that we are fine, that what we did is right, we agree with that only - our lives will go waste. If we do not connect this machine to the mains then it will not work. It will not have power. All the labour, whatever hard work we put in to make this, will all go waste. What the Almighty has made you by putting in hard work, till you understand its meaning and know what you are, till then you too will go waste. So you should get connected to God. ‘Sahaj’ means since birth. Your relation of being one with God is your birth right. It is in you since your birth. This resides in you in the form of a seedling, in the form of a power, in the form of Kundalini. But this Kundalini too does not get awakened normally. It is beyond dispute. If you give a seed to a savage person and he does not have an inkling about trees. If you tell him that that this large tree has grown from this seed, then he will say how is it possible. He will break it, demolish it. Will say that we tried to penetrate it still we did not understand. If this power was there, would have seen it. But if you give it to a gardener he knows that after placing it in the womb of mother earth, it will sprout. Because it has this power in a dormant form. That is why a mother’s form is needed. Because mother is ready to toil. To get upset, to get angry is very easy. But people find it difficult to love. I don’t at all feel it difficult. Also the awakening of Kundalini will happen only in those people who themselves are loving. Those who do not have love, who do not have presence of God in them, those who do not have the right for this, Kundalini will not get awakened before them. Now take this general observation. If a school teacher comes then the children will immediately stand up. But if a school porter comes, will the children rise? Only the person who has the authority will be able to do this job and this authority too is in love. We do not understand this. We construe authority only as rule of stick. But this is authority of love. Only that person can awaken the kundalini who has the authority of love. This is the dictum. Not only this, the person who established the Hindu religion, who was the motivator, Adi Shankaracharya has preached that by doing yoga sankhya etc. by having a debate on that, by having discourses on them, by talking a lot about them, or by standing upside down or by singing bhajans(religious songs), you do not achieve God. You get it due to awakening of Kundalini and this awakening of Kundalini happens due to blessings of Mother only. This is written very clearly. And in his last book, which is known as “Saundarya Lahri” (Waves of beauty), he has not discussed anything. Firstly, he wrote a book called Vivek Chudamani in which he has said nothing else, only praised Mother. The one thousand chakras of mother that he knew, he described them entirely in great detail, what is the meaning when she says”hun” , what happens when she says “ha”, how she moves around and at that time how the paths(route) of power are created and how the Kundalini gets awakened etc. etc. only this he kept on describing. So people asked him that in spite of you being such a learned person what is this? He said that there is nothing beyond this. Without this if the Kundalini does not get awakened, then why tell other things. Means if we wish to grow a seed into a plant and if we give a lecture that this seed is like this and that one is like that, this and that , then is anything going to develop in it? You may do hatha yoga in front of it or stand upside down otherwise lot many people cut their tongue and thrust them down the throat. Try various things. To stand on one foot for hours, keep a fast. Do this . Do that. Keep on chanting names. Keep on parroting things by heart. Try it. Is it going to form a sapling? It will come easily. Will come automatically. Spontaneous. You don’t have to do anything for it. Today you have become human. What is your contribution in it? Now this invention of Penicillin made by Madam Curie, how did she make it? It is better to reproduce it from her book. She says that I was searching everywhere but I could not find. Once I was sitting quietly when somewhere from the unknown, suddenly I got to know that will get this penicillin at this place. Whatever is known is in front of us. It is available in the library. Whatever is unknown when conveyed from there becomes knowledge. And mostly which is unknown is this truth that you are an atma. You are atma. You are not this body, mind, intellect, ego . You are atma. This is the real truth. Once this truth gets established in us, is felt and the atma starts flowing through us then we will know the real truth means you will become capable. Before that if you say don’t do this, don’t do that, break this break that . wear black clothes or wear white clothes. Otherwise wear this on head and move around like a sanyasi - is there any meaning to all these things in the world. Those who did all this , you have seen since thousands of years- traditional- does it have any meaning? Till the time you become aware, till the light enters you , till then transformation is impossible. Take the example of a seed again. There is transformation in the seed only when its seedling gets activated. The seedling should get activated. Till the time the seedling gets awakened in you till then transformation of any type in you cannot take place. There can be no growth in you. There can be no progress in you. And whatever behavior like a blind person you are doing, it cannot change. Once you get the vision, you will immediately understand that this is black here, this is white here, this is blue here. In darkness, all colours look alike. You don’t understand anything and don’t know what to do. Now one method is, you came in a room full of darkness. While groping in the dark, you get hold of a chair. You think that the chair is the room. You know the story of an elephant. ( Mataji speaking with sahaja Yogis – come a little forward…… Till 16.5) . They go to the temple. We want to have darshan. It see this here too . Mataji give us darshan. Even if thousands of people come still they want darshan. Enough of darshan now. How many times you fell at God’s feet. From here you go on foot to Pandurang’s place. There you have rubbed even his foot excessively. Did anything enter inside you? Ask yourself this question. I saw, that even the feet of poor Pandurang , even the stones of his feet have been scraped out. But has anything happened here? Just say that “Pandurang is being dwindled like sandalwood”. He is being dwindled but what has become of you? Did you imbibe the fragrance of sandalwood? Because the sandalwood is not yet awakened. It should get awakened. Let it happen then we will speak the rest. First at least take the light. If you come in this room in darkness, like what I was telling before, what will you see? You see this thing then that is the truth, see that thing then that is the truth. If you stumble across a fan then the fan is the truth. Keep on fighting for that. The fan renter to fight with the chair renter, the chair renter to fight with the carpet renter. This happens continuously. They say this is the truth, others say that is the truth. But because everybody’s eyes are closed … Now see, mother will tell you this. You sit down a little quietly. Will open eyes , then see. You know that if you press one button then you see light everywhere but you need a knowledgeable person. Only the person who knows these lights will know. Only he will become. If he tells you to press this button to light the lamp, the light will get on immediately. But behind this light , there is so much of prior arrangement. Complete history is behind it. That is why it is not only like pressing the button. Means this Kundalini which is within us and these chakras which the Almighty has created in us, and those are positioned , those you can see. The rising of the Kundalini, her vibrations are seen in many people. So this work which the Almighty has done is not today’s work. When you were carbon, whatever you were even before that , it is from those times. And the whole universe is within us. The whole universe is within us. But to know that universe, one needs to first acquire the light of atma. In the evening I am going to speak on atma. Today I will speak on Kundalini. Kundalini power is the power of your pure desire, power of pure desire. Means there is no other mixture in that desire. Only to obtain the Almighty, to amalgamate with the Almighty. To obtain the Almighty by achieving the vision of the atma , is the pure desire that the Almighty has kept in you in the form of Kundalini. She is there. But is faint. If she gets a little motivation then she will become fully awakened ,will overcome all your desires and suck your complete attention inside and give the vison of atma to you. Now if you are asked to take your attention to your atma, can you take it there.? You cannot. Your attention is towards me, towards my speech. But if I say that take your attention there, you cannot do that. But once this event takes place ,then automatically the attention will be sucked in and the person will recognize the atma. When this happens then there is a sudden transformation in the person. Sudden. At that instant. The face acquires a sudden glow, the eyes start shining, just like diamonds. Cold breeze starts flowing through the hand. “Sheesham Shivam”. When electricity comes here, we need to tell you how to manage it, how to use it. How to take it from here to there, how to do its connection, how to put in instruments like rheostat etc. in between. It is similar with Sahaj Yoga. After becoming realized, learn about it. But it is so easily achievable.. .. because inside us, I don’t have to tell you now that this is blue colour. But once somebody did tell you that this is blue colour. Now we know what blue colour is. Know what is red colour. Need to be told once. Similarly if it is told once that this is Vishuddhi chakra where ShriKrishna is positioned, and when it goes bad that causes diseases like cold cough etc. This chakra also goes bad due to excessive name chanting. Similarly this chakra, this is left side Vishuddhi chakra. It catches due to consumption of tobacco etc. Or if a person thinks that he is always wrong , means a person who all the time thinks with an inferiority complex gets a catch on his chakra. Then how to overcome this? Because one can do it only after getting connected. Before that without a connection where will you make even the telephone call? They say that we remember the Almighty all the time. Just like that. Then? They say that they perform pooja of the pind(emblem of Lord Shiva) by taking it on their hand and suffered from an heart attack. How did you suffer from a heart attack even while you had Shiva in your heart? The reason for this is the unauthorized try. You still have to go in the kingdom of God. Till the time you don’t go in the God’s kingdom, you are not the citizen God. Unless you become citizen of God, how can you use the blessings of His kingdom? What right do you have over it.. Imagine you are the citizen of India then you have the right on the prime minister of India. But if you make a protest march after going to England then people will apprehend you. Who are you? Hence a person first needs to go to the kingdom of God and then his devotion really blossoms. Krishna has said very beautifully about this in Geeta. Krishna was a great politician. In fact his entire incarnation was a divine play(leela). He used to create spectacles to explain to people. They normally don’t listen easily. Give them a whack somewhere then they understand. If one cannot extract ghee with a straight finger then bend the finger slightly. And the time was like that. So Krishna told only Arjun. Did not tell anybody else. And in event if that was not understood by Arjun, then he did things by bending his finger. I will tell you Geeta exactly in two words. What is its essence. Then you also understand it. Firstly, in the beginning itself He said that acquire knowledge. How are you going to acquire knowledge, by reading a book? Kabira has said, “ by reading excessively, the learned becomes an idiot” (Padhi Padhi pandit murakh bhaye) and I see such idiots, they come daily. “Padhatmurkh” ( educated idiots) is a very sharp expression in our Marathi language. Ramdas must have seen several educated idiots that is why he has referred to them as Padhatmurkh. With these Padhatmurkh it will not happen. The consciousness that we have inside, when it gets awakened, in that consciousness what we know is knowledge (“Dnyan”). Today we have human consciousness. Imagine there is filth here then we cannot tread through that filth. We would immediately cover our nose. But if you need a horse to wade through, it will not get the putrid smell. It does not have this consciousness. Its mind has not got that awareness. Or its being does not have that consciousness that this is filth, and one should not go through it. Again if you give him anything of any colour, it will not understand. We understand colour combination, understand what is beauty. The human consciousness has these things. But we understand sin and virtue only by our intellect. Don’t do this because mother told you it is bad, don’t do this because father has told you or don’t do this because it is written so in Geeta. But it has still not entered in our consciousness. After Sahaj Yoga it comes in your consciousness. Means even if you want to do it, you will not be able to do it. You will suffer. Get the vibrations. If you think that let us try to do something, immediately your head will have a catch. It will happen automatically. You don’t have to make any effort for that. After this dharma gets awakened in you, I will not have to tell you. You can do on your own. There was a gentleman. He used to consume a lot of tobacco. After Sahaj Yoga also he made no effort. In a moment he could have quit it. But he did not try. As he was taking tobacco since childhood , he was unable to quit it. Finally he came to me and said,” Mataji, when I sit for meditation, I feel my face is becoming increasingly bigger. I don’t understand if it is becoming like Hanuman.” Now shall I tell you the truth? I know that you take tobacco. Go to backside and sometimes take tobacco in this way. Isn’t it the truth? He said I do take a lot. No doubt about it. I concede that. I said promise in front of me, will not take tobacco. What do you gain by hiding from me? On saying this ,the tobacco addiction was gone that very moment . Gone forever. By different ways such things can be gotten rid of. Automatically Dharma gets awakened within. Needless to say, no need to toil for this. This was the awakening of dharma, that is knowledge. Knowledge means, the persona that is within you, has that consciousness. That consciousness itself must get awakened. Krishna has called this “dnyan”(Knowledge) and that is why he has said that you can understand God with Dnyan only. This is knowledge. About devotion, He has then said that if you wish to perform devotion, then it must be ananya (exclusive). That is very good. Flowers, Fruits, Water- offer me whatever is there. I will take it. I take everything at the time of taking. At the time of giving, ananya. Now you see that word has a sub element. Ananya. Means when the other one is not there. Means those who have achieved realization. One can enjoy devotion only after he gets realisation. Otherwise whom do you call with your entire might. Just like what I have told you, there are many types of Sahaj Yoga. Several people got innumerable blessings. We had one architect. Said Mataji I used to worship God so much, used to worship Goddess so much but I was always in abject poverty. After coming to Sahaj Yoga it is said it pours rain of rain. What is rain of rain? So he said I was sent to build houses of a special type at a place, where it rained very heavily and there it was flood of money. A very ordinary man. Farmer. His small piece of land. Only half an acre and he was a Koli(fisherman). Whenever he used to come for my darshan everyday he used to bring a beautiful garland of flowers. I said,” Dear brother (Dada), why do you spend so much? This is too much for you Patil (headman). Don’t do this much. I feel awkward. “Mother, he said. You know it, then why say this to me. He said that in my farm, half the land was barren. And I use half of the land which is nearly half acre. A fellow came to me and said can I take some soil from this land. If I use this soil then due to this soil, the bricks will turn out to be good. Even if this soil is mixed a little - and he said he got lot of money from it. So one garland is nothing. This way the Lakshmi principle within you, which is on the Nabhi Chakra gets awakened. It happens. That is why Krishna has said that do the “ananya” bhakti (devotional worship). Till the time you are not connected to the Almighty, what is the use of this crying loudly. So many varkaris (Vitthal’s devotees) go for pilgrimage. See what their condition is. Poverty. Their health is bad. They are suffering from cancer. Trouble in their throat. The beating they got from the Badwas (strongmen at the temples) and many such atrocities. Their state is like beggars. Would Vitthal like such things? But they are not yet connected to Vitthal. Everything changed the moment it happened. That is why He said do “ananya” bhakti. First get connected to the Almighty. Then that devotional worship becomes enjoyable. Otherwise it seems that it is something imaginary. Our children do not remember God anymore. Because at our place get up at four in the morning, prepare chandan paste, give bath to God. What did they get even after doing this? They become angry with the same intensity. They drink if they feel like. Have black money so they use black money. All ill pastimes. Only they get up in the morning and prepare the paste. So what did they get? If they did not get anything then why should we toil. Hence they have concluded that there is no God. In Algeria their elderly people , they are just like Khomeni. They are called fundamentalist. And their custom, if a person makes a slight mistake then his hand is severed. If someone does something, then shear his neck. Bury him in sand and hit by shoes from the top. Such draconian methods they applied. They came up with a race. Started something similar to what Khomeni did. Excessive religious fanaticism. Seeing that, the children out there became communists. They said that God cannot be like this. How can God be so cruel? But one of the boys came to our London and achieved realization. One boy. He immediately went and told that there is God. He was not a religious fanatic nor he denied anything, he was in the centre. And today you will be surprised , here there are much learned and well educated children of Muslims. Five hundred children have achieved realization in Algeria. Hence think of your children in your society tomorrow. To tell you further, this is the time of fight till the end. Hence you should do the “ananya” bhakti. Third is Karmayog , what Krishna said that whatever karma(deed) you need to do, keep it at the Almighty’s feet. (offer it to Him). Several people ask me ” Mataji, whatever we did, we kept it at the Almighty’s feet”. These are impossible things. It was ShriKrishna’s method that tell the impossible things. Impossible. Even though you say you have kept it in the Almighty’s feet, but have you actually kept it? Because till the time you have ego , that thing will not leave you. One must get rid of that ego. Now people think that to leave ego they will have to fight with the ego. They started in that direction. Just like a balloon gets bigger and bigger whenever it is struck. Such a person acquires double the ego. They say we have relinquished this, given up that. Only given up intellect. Nothing else. People thus acquire lot of ego. And they live in the false belief that they have left everything to the Almighty. In illusion. It happens only when this starts flowing through your hands effortlessly. And what do you say ? its flowing. going, coming, something strange. You are someone else, this is divine energy flowing. Should say, Mataji , Kundalini is rising. A lady had accompanied me to America. She said Mataji I came with you with so much expectation that you would give realization to my son but he is not getting it. I said what can I do? You give a certificate. The lady said, how can one give a certificate. I said, it should happen. Just like you, I also wish but even then it should happen no? Should happen. One cannot speak lies in that. One cannot pay for it. Cannot stand upside down Whatever it is, is like this. Even in karmayog, this will happen only when, you get your realization. Then they say its happening, coming, going. Now we have witnessed it ourselves. Till this does not happen, till then people should not think in their illusion that we have become great farmics( (dharmic). Then we must say that the dharma gets so much awakened as if a flower becomes a fruit and the flower completely get used up, a person becomes gunateet (beyond satva,raja,tama gunas, transcendental ), becomes dharmateet( beyond Dharma). That state should come. These days there are innumerable types, different types of gurus different types of cults. Mushrooming uncontrollably. But did you get anything? Only yesterday a person had come to me. He said that I feel I have got realization. Who gave? My guru. I said listen, if feel so then tell where this person’s kundalini is? You must atleast have this much knowledge. I cannot say that. Ok, then tell me where is yours? I cannot tell even that. I said then what realization did you have? Imagine a blind person gets his eyesight. Will say “ my eyes are ok now” then the doctor will ask how many fingers are these. I cannot tell that but my eyesight is back. How can this happen? You should see that , right? Should understand that , right? Should feel that right? Otherwise how is your eyesight OK now? These are the types of gurus. Said that I can feel the action. Is that so? A person came and and sat with his legs towards me. A sahaj yogi told him you should not sit like this, in front of Mataji.. I know that but what can I do? If I fold my legs then I become like a frog. Is that so? What our guru said that once you get your realization you will become like a frog. Now are you going to become a frog henceforth after becoming a human? Or a snake or a scorpion? Consider this simple thought. How come you fly like a frog, stand upside down means you cannot even maintain your own balance. The body whose balance you gained in the human form, that too is lost and beyond that you started dancing erratically, started flying like a mad person, started taking off clothes – means what is this idiocity? And that person said that he achieved realization. If a person was to get realization by becoming naked then first get realization for all animals. Why people? They infer absolutely senseless things. But one wonders about the limits of these idiots. If you emulate such intelligence then you already have a supply department for this. Many people come after getting ready this way. There was a gentleman at our Nagpur. I know him very well. He was in Saheb’s(my husband) company but a very useless person. His father requested to position him somewhere. His father was also in our office. So Saheb said OK, I will send him to the personnel (department). He did many frauds there. He did black marketing, smuggling whatever he could do ,he did. Then his father died. He inherited property etc. sold wife’s ornaments, sold the house, did this and did that and ran away. His mother came weeping now what to do, we believed him and gave him ornaments , all of them . Now the son has done the robbery, how to go to the police. The poor lady went somewhere in Baroda at her mother’s place. Now this fellow became very famous. In the name of Gulab Baba. He kept his name as Gulab Baba. His mother said that he sent lot of money to her and did so many things. He established a house for us again. Used to send money. So once I implored to him. Asked him who are you. How do you send us money. Wrote this in a letter. Later on got to know that he is well known as Gulab Baba. Gulab Baba. Means he is an aggressive ( overbearing) fellow. So I sent a message that inform that Gulab Baba that I am coming to Nagpur. After that, Gulab Baba was not seen at all for three months by anyone. And what was he telling everybody- the numbers(tips) for the horses on the race course. And all the Marwadi people would go there and ask for the number for horses. Now think about this. Does God know the number for horses? But people were standing there in a queue. You will be surprised. Thousands of people going to him, see the wisdom of people All such gross things. Of Sorcery. So what if a diamond is given to you or even a horse , doesn’t God have common intelligence? Another thing, our ladies get possessed. All the maids get possessed by the Devi. She could not find a better place, poor thing. Started worshipping them. Fall at their feet and that’s it. But how difficult it is to get possessed. How much they suffer? People turn insane, become crazy. These all are matters of sorcery. Especially in our Maharashtra and they do it in the temples. This thing takes place in the temple of Mahalakshmi. Their trustee told me Mataji you here in person and still these things take place. Said stop it right away. First thing to do. Second thing, close these shops then I would come. And called them straight away in the temple. Told them that first stop these businesses of extortion that you have started in the name of God. That resulted in their annoyance with me. Said I don’t care. You will get upset today, tomorrow. The government took over in ten days. You give importance to your own people and they take advantage of you. You will not get God this way. God is within you. Attain Him. Then the third type. Nanak told that search within. If Search within then chant those bhajans incessantly. Search within O man ,search within. Who is going to search? I told you that if you take this penicillin then you will feel alright. Then you start chanting on the road that If I take penicillin then I will be alright. So what, did you take the penicillin? Did you treat yourself? Did it give you any benefit? This is like applying your intelligence at the wrong place. Then using this intelligence make fun of God. There is no God. This is some unnecessary falsity. It is either “durbuddhi” ( bad intelligence) or “subuddhi” (wisdom) . Not subuddhi. Subuddhi means God Himself. Hence we beseech Vinayaka to give us subuddhi. This is our innocent Vinayak who is the giver of subuddhi. And we ask Him to give us Subuddhi. Let us also obtain God through your(Ganesha’s) subuddhi. Now who is Vinayak? Who is Shankar? Who is Krishna? What is their position in us? Who is Christ? Who is Muhammad? We do not know anything about them. Some religious preacher stands up. Applies black powder made from tar to us. And gives some lecture with a blackened face. We fall at his feet that’s the end of it. God has already given you such a great treasure in yourself. Shouldn’t we obtain it? We must obtain it. And you will surely obtain it. Especially in this holy land of Maharashtra. After seeing Shivaji Maharaj I suddenly remembered those days. .. and how great was his understanding. As if he was an incarnation. He knew what dharma is. He also treated the Muslim daughter-in-law with great respect and set an example as to how one should regard the ladies belonging to others. Inspite of being from the royalty, such enlightened people have taken birth in this country. This is one speciality of Maharashtra. But they were realized ,. awakened people. They were the greatest Sahaj Yogi from Maharashtra. But that time whatever action was necessary, that time our country was under foreign rule hence it was necessary to fight, they did that task. But as they were realized souls, they acted with righteousness. Did not perpetrate injustice.. Today the situation has come where the subservience that we have within, whatever we did with our subservience, to overcome that, we must awaken Shivaji within us. This task is very simple and straight forward. I have conjured the alchemy for it. Whatever afflictions different people have, I have delved deep in their kundalinis and ferreted those out. I know the minutest detail about these people and understand that they belong to this genre, these people belong to this melodramatic group. Then how to manage them, that’s exactly what I am going to tell. It is very easy. But one should not have any illusory ideas about oneself. First thing. One should not have an inferiority complex. Many people feel, Mataji I am a poor person, what capabilities I have, I am good for nothing. Listen, if you were, then why would you be here in front of me? Second thing is that I am someone special. Supercilious person ( Marathi- shishtam bharti). They say that one scientist is a very accomplished person. I said if is it so. Now ask one question, Mataji do you encompass the entire knowledge of science? Immediately the power started flowing through his hands. This power comes from somewhere. Outwardly the huge tree that we see, where does the power in it come from? From its roots . These are buried deep down. If we become only the tree can we live? In the western countries, people are only behind becoming the tree. Now they think only about one thing as to how to end life. Right from morning to evening they are engrossed in how to give up life. The tree will survive only after discovering the roots. And the roots are in this country itself. We have got hold of them. Now entire human life will become pleasant. The power needed for this will be accomplished by Sahaj Yoga. Today evening I am certainly going to tell you all about chakras. And due to this ,how the state our political,social, financial and mental as well as physical condition gets better, I will tell about this in the evening. Still I have told a lot. Ask if you have any questions. And now get your realization as it is quite late. So get your realization first . Without getting realization , nothing will happen. If you have any questions please ask.

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Shri Mataji praises the marriage, Sir C.P. praises Shri Mataji, Ashoka Hall, Mumbai (India), December 30th, 1980 [First, third and fifth audio, Shri Mataji] It is very heartening to see all this drama. I just can watch a sudden spark, a sudden blow up which is opening a new dimension into the hearts of all the people who are thinking about the future of humanity. It’s a very dramatic movement for them. And how it works out its beauty is even more dramatic. I would say, you can see that it’s very delicate and very beautiful.The words my husband has said about Me, I’ve heard them many a times in the bedroom. [Laughter] But to hear them in the public is most embarrassing. [Laughter]He’s been a very, very kind husband to Me, extremely kind. And as you know I’m bit too independent, and all my ideas are based on a very independent experience of my own. He’s always tried to understand that and to encourage Me. Though, it’s rather difficult, as you know, to understand your Mother, it’s not an easy thing, but he has tried to very much understand Me and my work, which is just my nature. He knows that it’s my nature, and that I can’t help it. The first and the foremost thing I wanted to do was to establish the married life prestige. It’s the most important thing. Unless and until married life is accepted as the base of human evolution, we cannot go further with it. One has to understand it very, very deeply. You have to sacrifice, you have to have patience, you have to have very deeper, penetrating knowledge of the benefits of a good married life, which is lacking very much now in the West, as you know, and also, we Indians are trying to copy the Western people thinking that they are very advanced. It’s most amazing how after Sahaja Yoga, the Western people have suddenly taken up the values of eternal joy. It’s most amazing to Me, how they have given up so many things so suddenly. It’s most surprising as Gregoire has said in his book, that’s the sin against the Mother. And they have really given up that, absolutely. Without my asking them, they have understood that this is the life of a saint and that’s how they have to live and they have accepted it blindfolded. And they know what is the gain out of that is. But in the same manner, I would request Indians also to accept the other side of it, which is the sin against the Father which Indians commit. We are all the time disturbed about our material well-being and our material advancement, all the time we are thinking about our own poverty and so-called material deficiency. I would request all the Indians also to know that if you have to come to Sahaja Yoga, collectively we have to accept, collectively, again I say, accept the values of Sahaja Yoga and that is: we have our Father God Almighty who has provided us with everything. We should not be disturbed about our poverty and about our richesse and things like that, but leave it to Him to protect us. Many Sahaja Yogis have accepted this righteous path in India despite the fact there are hardships. But in the same way there are hardships in the West, they have accepted. To Me the support comes from Mr. Srivastava in a way that is very important that I could establish that married life is possible. Even one person is doing one kind of work at a different level and another person is doing at a different level. This sometimes surprises Me, how he understands my whimsical nature, and how he has accepted sometimes my own understanding about things. His understanding is very practical, pragmatic according to human type. Mine is little bit, you can say, some people might call it poetic, [Laughter] But for Sahaja Yogis it is different. In the same way in my family also, my daughters and my sons-in-law, my grandchildren, as you know, are tremendous Sahaja Yogis. All of them have understood the beauty of Sahaja Yoga. But last of all, I would say about his organization. We have some people from his organization. Shipping Corporation when he was here, and it’s Mughal [unsure] line, and which DG shipping and all that. All these shipping people have been so much attached to Me, and I’ve been so much attached to them, really that’s really another family. You won’t believe that it’s just the same like being with Sahaja Yogis. They are extremely attached to Me, all of them. This is also thanks to Mr. Srivastava’s wisdom that he has put Me in contact with them with proper understanding. Of course, I also need lot of understanding about how to deal with people who are with the government service. Because I’ve never done any government service all my life. And it has been very beautiful relationship. I know that all these people from down below level to the topmost, the highest have always been able to understand Me through the light which he has given them. Today is a day, really very auspicious because it’s a Thanks Giving Day, I think for everything. And it’s not done that you thank your husband, because the wife has to take everything for granted, I believe. But whatever is not said, is such a lot that you cannot say it. Because it is too much, very deep, it’s too sacred, and you can’t speak about it. I’m happy from our married life Sahaja Yogis will realize how important it is for Sahaja Yoga to have very sensible, wise married relationships, and to pay attention to their children and to their grandchildren because this is the nest of human life. The nest of human life is even more important than the whole ocean of God’s love. Because that nest, in its own delicate way, preserves the very, very delicate aspirations of God’s desire. And that’s why it has to be looked after and respected and worshipped as something sacred. I’m very happy today and the whole thing looks like a big "camatkara" [miracle] like a magical "camatkara". I’m happy that today I’m meeting so many people from Australia. They say I have not met them, but I have met them. And they are all my children, who have come to see Me. And that Mr. Srivastava should come and speak to you all, and you should see the other side of Mother’s life also, to feel very happy. And as you have thanked him very much for looking after Me and being very sweet to Me, I have to thank you for all this that you have done to feel Me so very proud of you.May God bless you! [Second, fourth and sixth audio; Sir C.P.] Mr. C.P Srivastava on the occasion of felicitation for being unanimously re-elected for the third time at the IMCO organization. The reception was held at Ashoka Hall, Vile Parle, on 30th December, 1980. Overwhelmingly touched by the most generous observations which have been made about me and about my work. That it would be my [cut in the audio] whatever I can to deserve the love and affection that you have chosen to shower upon me. You have mentioned that I have been sacrificing in order that my wife, who is Mataji to you, should be able to devote Her time to Sahaja Yoga. What I want to tell you is that it is not a sacrifice, it’s a great privilege. When we got married – and that was more than a third of a century ago, thirty-four years ago – we had our family, little family and we agreed among ourselves that our first duty would be to bring up our two daughters. But we also agreed that once the daughters got married, she would be free to devote her time as much as possible to the service of humanity. And so, while her children were growing up, the two children we had, She gave all her time to them, to bring them up and She gave me tremendous support. Without Her support, it would have been impossible for me to apply myself to the responsibilities which the government of the country entrusted to me. I’m deeply grateful to Her. But today what I want to tell you is that I’m not only grateful to Her but also, I’m very proud of Her. [Applause]And why am I proud? I’m proud because at a time when the world is afflicted everywhere, whether you are in the East or you are in the West, whether you are in the North or in the South, everywhere you find a certain feeling of unease, of unhappiness, of a little frustration, and people all over the world are wanting to know how can we all, members of this universal world community, live together in happiness and in peace? This is the question before every thinking individual in the world today. And there must be some answer to that; after all we have to live together. And the answer really is that all of us, whether we belong to one country or another, we are members of one great universal family. After all, if we just remember that in the whole of universe that we know, and indeed the universes that we know, there’s only one planet on which there is life – such as we have – and that we are the most fortunate persons to be those created by the Almighty, to be the best of creation, for that itself is a very great privilege. And the least that we should somehow learn to do is to live together as brothers and sisters genuinely, not merely through lips but through hearts. It’s most important for us to come to that stage. Now, I have a feeling that the world is now ready for a new revolution. There was this industrial revolution in the nineteenth century which brought economic prosperity to many parts of the world, it’s bringing prosperity to other parts, but that is not enough. For human beings, material prosperity is important but it’s not the ultimate aim. There’s much more in a human being than mere desire for material well-being – the spiritual part. It is only through spiritual attainment, through spiritual satisfaction that genuine happiness can be attained. And there must be some spark which has to be lighted, and the source of that spark is before you, this Lady. [Applause] So when I say, “I’m not sacrificing at all,” indeed I’m feeling a part of you, feeling a part of this great endeavor, and I’m proud of Her, the work She’s doing. I might tell you something more. Very recently I had a unique experience. She’s a very busy person, and if I may say so without being immodest, I’m also very busy with my work. But one evening She invited me very kindly to a function like this in London. And there I saw another family, Sahaja Yoga family, Sahaja Yogis and Yoginis. What wonderful expression they had, what feeling of internal peace and calm they had, what feeling of togetherness they had. And that gave me a very deep impression, a feeling that, that family had been transformed from disparate individuals coming from different parts of countries and worlds into a family welded together, knitted together, with a common purpose, namely realizing that we are members of one family. They all wanted to assist each other, to help each other, to grow together, and to develop spiritually. Now this is a marvelous task, I think the world needs this more than anything else, this country even needs this more than anything else. It is the transformation; it is the uplifting of the individual from within, which is most important. If that uplifting does not come, you would have conflicts, you would not have the kind of homogeneity, goodwill which is so essential, for us all to be able to live together in peace.So, She is giving you spiritual leadership, spiritual guidance, and I have no doubts that I am one of those thousands and thousands who admire Her, respect Her. And my fullest support is available to Her in any way for the work that She is doing. When I say support, it is not the right word because She doesn’t need any support from anybody, right. [Laughter] But you see, you must forgive me because I have a dichotomy; It’s very difficult for me to forget that I’m Her husband. So, please do forgive the expression that I use, but it was in my capacity as a consort, and I want you to know that the work She is doing is, to my way of thinking, very, very important for humanity. In fact, I feel that it’s only by uplifting men and women everywhere, throughout the world, that we can really become worthy of the creation of the Almighty God who have created us all. Now, in the IMCO, the organization that I’m privileged to serve, and I’m very grateful for the kind words about my re-election, it was most gratifying. Perhaps you know that this was unanimous. When I mentioned this only for one reason, namely that you would hear that there are many issues that divide the world. On very few issues would the governments of the world agree. Now if they agreed upon a re-election, whether it was Soviet Union or United States or United Kingdom or developing countries or China or Pakistan, well, they agreed to uphold a certain principle. And in some way, perhaps, the message of Sahaja Yoga was been given to them through me, coming from Her. [Laughter] And the message that I always give to member countries of the organization is: we are not divided into groups, I do not believe in groupism, I do not believe in confrontation, I do not believe that by fighting the world can get along. I do not believe that the developing world can develop by fighting the developed world. I believe, I believe very sincerely and genuinely, that all of us can get together only by way of togetherness, by co-operation, and this is the message that I give continuously. Now this is only one aspect of Sahaja Yoga, is not complete aspect, it’s just one aspect. But this is a message that I give to the organization that I’m privileged to serve and I’m most gratified and delighted that the governments, as they are represented in this Maritime Organization of United Nations system, accept that philosophy, and they accept that by working together, the people of the world engaged in maritime activity can make progress which will be satisfactory from the point of view of everybody. And if they re-elected me unanimously, they did not honored me greatly and my country, but to my way of thinking, they honored the principle of one world, one people, one humanity, and this is the principle which needs to guide the whole of United Nations system. So, in some ways, there has been action and interaction between Sahaja Yoga on one side and United Nations activity on the other. I have only a small responsibility within the United Nations system, but to the extent that I can, it is my duty, and it has been my endeavor, always to serve the world community in the same way as Sahaja Yogis are trying to serve world community in a far more elevated sphere, the spiritual sphere.Now to friends who have come from abroad, as an Indian, I would like to extend a very hearty and a very warm welcome. Which I feel very greatly honored, and privileged, that you should be here at this time, that you should spend your New Year Day in our country, and I want to take this opportunity to wish you the very, very best for 1981.And the best that I can do is to say: let Sahaja Yoga, which is universal, grow and grow and develop and really lift up the world to a new level of awareness, new level of human relationship based on love, affection, realization that human beings are born for great purposes, they are not born merely to live a routine life, but the purposes are spiritual, much higher, elevated.For your success and for your well-being and your happiness I’ll pray, and with these few words I do want to thank you once again for the very, very kind words in which all speakers referred me today, and may I also thank Her for all that She’s doing for me by supporting me really. That’s fabulous. Thank you very much.

Shri Mataji praises the marriage, Sir C.P. praises Shri Mataji, Ashoka Hall, Mumbai (India), December 30th, 1980 [First, third and fifth audio, Shri Mataji] It is very heartening to see all this drama. I just can watch a sudden spark, a sudden blow up which is opening a new dimension into the hearts of all the people who are thinking about the future of humanity. It’s a very dramatic movement for them. And how it works out its beauty is even more dramatic. I would say, you can see that it’s very delicate and very beautiful.The words my husband has said about Me, I’ve heard them many a times in the bedroom. [Laughter] But to hear them in the public is most embarrassing. [Laughter]He’s been a very, very kind husband to Me, extremely kind. And as you know I’m bit too independent, and all my ideas are based on a very independent experience of my own. He’s always tried to understand that and to encourage Me. Though, it’s rather difficult, as you know, to understand your Mother, it’s not an easy thing, but he has tried to very much understand Me and my work, which is just my nature. He knows that it’s my nature, and that I can’t help it. The first and the foremost thing I wanted to do was to establish the married life prestige. It’s the most important thing. Unless and until married life is accepted as the base of human evolution, we cannot go further with it. One has to understand it very, very deeply. You have to sacrifice, you have to have patience, you have to have very deeper, penetrating knowledge of the benefits of a good married life, which is lacking very much now in the West, as you know, and also, we Indians are trying to copy the Western people thinking that they are very advanced. It’s most amazing how after Sahaja Yoga, the Western people have suddenly taken up the values of eternal joy. It’s most amazing to Me, how they have given up so many things so suddenly. It’s most surprising as Gregoire has said in his book, that’s the sin against the Mother. And they have really given up that, absolutely. Without my asking them, they have understood that this is the life of a saint and that’s how they have to live and they have accepted it blindfolded. And they know what is the gain out of that is. But in the same manner, I would request Indians also to accept the other side of it, which is the sin against the Father which Indians commit. We are all the time disturbed about our material well-being and our material advancement, all the time we are thinking about our own poverty and so-called material deficiency. I would request all the Indians also to know that if you have to come to Sahaja Yoga, collectively we have to accept, collectively, again I say, accept the values of Sahaja Yoga and that is: we have our Father God Almighty who has provided us with everything. We should not be disturbed about our poverty and about our richesse and things like that, but leave it to Him to protect us. Many Sahaja Yogis have accepted this righteous path in India despite the fact there are hardships. But in the same way there are hardships in the West, they have accepted. To Me the support comes from Mr. Srivastava in a way that is very important that I could establish that married life is possible. Even one person is doing one kind of work at a different level and another person is doing at a different level. This sometimes surprises Me, how he understands my whimsical nature, and how he has accepted sometimes my own understanding about things. His understanding is very practical, pragmatic according to human type. Mine is little bit, you can say, some people might call it poetic, [Laughter] But for Sahaja Yogis it is different. In the same way in my family also, my daughters and my sons-in-law, my grandchildren, as you know, are tremendous Sahaja Yogis. All of them have understood the beauty of Sahaja Yoga. But last of all, I would say about his organization. We have some people from his organization. Shipping Corporation when he was here, and it’s Mughal [unsure] line, and which DG shipping and all that. All these shipping people have been so much attached to Me, and I’ve been so much attached to them, really that’s really another family. You won’t believe that it’s just the same like being with Sahaja Yogis. They are extremely attached to Me, all of them. This is also thanks to Mr. Srivastava’s wisdom that he has put Me in contact with them with proper understanding. Of course, I also need lot of understanding about how to deal with people who are with the government service. Because I’ve never done any government service all my life. And it has been very beautiful relationship. I know that all these people from down below level to the topmost, the highest have always been able to understand Me through the light which he has given them. Today is a day, really very auspicious because it’s a Thanks Giving Day, I think for everything. And it’s not done that you thank your husband, because the wife has to take everything for granted, I believe. But whatever is not said, is such a lot that you cannot say it. Because it is too much, very deep, it’s too sacred, and you can’t speak about it. I’m happy from our married life Sahaja Yogis will realize how important it is for Sahaja Yoga to have very sensible, wise married relationships, and to pay attention to their children and to their grandchildren because this is the nest of human life. The nest of human life is even more important than the whole ocean of God’s love. Because that nest, in its own delicate way, preserves the very, very delicate aspirations of God’s desire. And that’s why it has to be looked after and respected and worshipped as something sacred. I’m very happy today and the whole thing looks like a big "camatkara" [miracle] like a magical "camatkara". I’m happy that today I’m meeting so many people from Australia. They say I have not met them, but I have met them. And they are all my children, who have come to see Me. And that Mr. Srivastava should come and speak to you all, and you should see the other side of Mother’s life also, to feel very happy. And as you have thanked him very much for looking after Me and being very sweet to Me, I have to thank you for all this that you have done to feel Me so very proud of you.May God bless you! [Second, fourth and sixth audio; Sir C.P.] Mr. C.P Srivastava on the occasion of felicitation for being unanimously re-elected for the third time at the IMCO organization. The reception was held at Ashoka Hall, Vile Parle, on 30th December, 1980. Overwhelmingly touched by the most generous observations which have been made about me and about my work. That it would be my [cut in the audio] whatever I can to deserve the love and affection that you have chosen to shower upon me. You have mentioned that I have been sacrificing in order that my wife, who is Mataji to you, should be able to devote Her time to Sahaja Yoga. What I want to tell you is that it is not a sacrifice, it’s a great privilege. When we got married – and that was more than a third of a century ago, thirty-four years ago – we had our family, little family and we agreed among ourselves that our first duty would be to bring up our two daughters. But we also agreed that once the daughters got married, she would be free to devote her time as much as possible to the service of humanity. And so, while her children were growing up, the two children we had, She gave all her time to them, to bring them up and She gave me tremendous support. Without Her support, it would have been impossible for me to apply myself to the responsibilities which the government of the country entrusted to me. I’m deeply grateful to Her. But today what I want to tell you is that I’m not only grateful to Her but also, I’m very proud of Her. [Applause]And why am I proud? I’m proud because at a time when the world is afflicted everywhere, whether you are in the East or you are in the West, whether you are in the North or in the South, everywhere you find a certain feeling of unease, of unhappiness, of a little frustration, and people all over the world are wanting to know how can we all, members of this universal world community, live together in happiness and in peace? This is the question before every thinking individual in the world today. And there must be some answer to that; after all we have to live together. And the answer really is that all of us, whether we belong to one country or another, we are members of one great universal family. After all, if we just remember that in the whole of universe that we know, and indeed the universes that we know, there’s only one planet on which there is life – such as we have – and that we are the most fortunate persons to be those created by the Almighty, to be the best of creation, for that itself is a very great privilege. And the least that we should somehow learn to do is to live together as brothers and sisters genuinely, not merely through lips but through hearts. It’s most important for us to come to that stage. Now, I have a feeling that the world is now ready for a new revolution. There was this industrial revolution in the nineteenth century which brought economic prosperity to many parts of the world, it’s bringing prosperity to other parts, but that is not enough. For human beings, material prosperity is important but it’s not the ultimate aim. There’s much more in a human being than mere desire for material well-being – the spiritual part. It is only through spiritual attainment, through spiritual satisfaction that genuine happiness can be attained. And there must be some spark which has to be lighted, and the source of that spark is before you, this Lady. [Applause] So when I say, “I’m not sacrificing at all,” indeed I’m feeling a part of you, feeling a part of this great endeavor, and I’m proud of Her, the work She’s doing. I might tell you something more. Very recently I had a unique experience. She’s a very busy person, and if I may say so without being immodest, I’m also very busy with my work. But one evening She invited me very kindly to a function like this in London. And there I saw another family, Sahaja Yoga family, Sahaja Yogis and Yoginis. What wonderful expression they had, what feeling of internal peace and calm they had, what feeling of togetherness they had. And that gave me a very deep impression, a feeling that, that family had been transformed from disparate individuals coming from different parts of countries and worlds into a family welded together, knitted together, with a common purpose, namely realizing that we are members of one family. They all wanted to assist each other, to help each other, to grow together, and to develop spiritually. Now this is a marvelous task, I think the world needs this more than anything else, this country even needs this more than anything else. It is the transformation; it is the uplifting of the individual from within, which is most important. If that uplifting does not come, you would have conflicts, you would not have the kind of homogeneity, goodwill which is so essential, for us all to be able to live together in peace.So, She is giving you spiritual leadership, spiritual guidance, and I have no doubts that I am one of those thousands and thousands who admire Her, respect Her. And my fullest support is available to Her in any way for the work that She is doing. When I say support, it is not the right word because She doesn’t need any support from anybody, right. [Laughter] But you see, you must forgive me because I have a dichotomy; It’s very difficult for me to forget that I’m Her husband. So, please do forgive the expression that I use, but it was in my capacity as a consort, and I want you to know that the work She is doing is, to my way of thinking, very, very important for humanity. In fact, I feel that it’s only by uplifting men and women everywhere, throughout the world, that we can really become worthy of the creation of the Almighty God who have created us all. Now, in the IMCO, the organization that I’m privileged to serve, and I’m very grateful for the kind words about my re-election, it was most gratifying. Perhaps you know that this was unanimous. When I mentioned this only for one reason, namely that you would hear that there are many issues that divide the world. On very few issues would the governments of the world agree. Now if they agreed upon a re-election, whether it was Soviet Union or United States or United Kingdom or developing countries or China or Pakistan, well, they agreed to uphold a certain principle. And in some way, perhaps, the message of Sahaja Yoga was been given to them through me, coming from Her. [Laughter] And the message that I always give to member countries of the organization is: we are not divided into groups, I do not believe in groupism, I do not believe in confrontation, I do not believe that by fighting the world can get along. I do not believe that the developing world can develop by fighting the developed world. I believe, I believe very sincerely and genuinely, that all of us can get together only by way of togetherness, by co-operation, and this is the message that I give continuously. Now this is only one aspect of Sahaja Yoga, is not complete aspect, it’s just one aspect. But this is a message that I give to the organization that I’m privileged to serve and I’m most gratified and delighted that the governments, as they are represented in this Maritime Organization of United Nations system, accept that philosophy, and they accept that by working together, the people of the world engaged in maritime activity can make progress which will be satisfactory from the point of view of everybody. And if they re-elected me unanimously, they did not honored me greatly and my country, but to my way of thinking, they honored the principle of one world, one people, one humanity, and this is the principle which needs to guide the whole of United Nations system. So, in some ways, there has been action and interaction between Sahaja Yoga on one side and United Nations activity on the other. I have only a small responsibility within the United Nations system, but to the extent that I can, it is my duty, and it has been my endeavor, always to serve the world community in the same way as Sahaja Yogis are trying to serve world community in a far more elevated sphere, the spiritual sphere.Now to friends who have come from abroad, as an Indian, I would like to extend a very hearty and a very warm welcome. Which I feel very greatly honored, and privileged, that you should be here at this time, that you should spend your New Year Day in our country, and I want to take this opportunity to wish you the very, very best for 1981.And the best that I can do is to say: let Sahaja Yoga, which is universal, grow and grow and develop and really lift up the world to a new level of awareness, new level of human relationship based on love, affection, realization that human beings are born for great purposes, they are not born merely to live a routine life, but the purposes are spiritual, much higher, elevated.For your success and for your well-being and your happiness I’ll pray, and with these few words I do want to thank you once again for the very, very kind words in which all speakers referred me today, and may I also thank Her for all that She’s doing for me by supporting me really. That’s fabulous. Thank you very much.

1/1/1981

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Avahana for the marriage of Catherine and Gregoire

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Avahana on the occasion of the marriage of Catherine and Gregoire, Rahuri, India, (from Nirmala Yoga, Issue 1, page 1) In Sahaja Yoga, all the religions are respected because all the incarnations and previous prophets are in us. We know it for definite that they exist within us on our Centres. First, before starting the marriage, we had to ask them to come and be present on this function. This is called "avahana" [invitation; invocation]. Now, they were all there. So, we are now to thank them that you have been here and the marriage has been successful. In Sahahaj Yoga, we are going to break all the barriers which make religions and people separate. All fanatical nonsense, old ideas which have propped up to make money out of religion, all these we are going to completely abolish and make one religion for all the humanity, which is religion of God, the religion of our evolution. May God bless you all.

Avahana on the occasion of the marriage of Catherine and Gregoire, Rahuri, India, (from Nirmala Yoga, Issue 1, page 1) In Sahaja Yoga, all the religions are respected because all the incarnations and previous prophets are in us. We know it for definite that they exist within us on our Centres. First, before starting the marriage, we had to ask them to come and be present on this function. This is called "avahana" [invitation; invocation]. Now, they were all there. So, we are now to thank them that you have been here and the marriage has been successful. In Sahahaj Yoga, we are going to break all the barriers which make religions and people separate. All fanatical nonsense, old ideas which have propped up to make money out of religion, all these we are going to completely abolish and make one religion for all the humanity, which is religion of God, the religion of our evolution. May God bless you all.

1/1/1981

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Letter in Hindi from Nirmala Yoga 1981 Jan-Feb

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"The time of Mahayuga has come. Thanks to this thousands of people are getting their Self-realisation. At the beginning, only one or two flowers blossomed on this tree of life, but in this Mahayuga, spring has come. All this is a question of time. This yuga was predicted by many great people. Recently, I saw the book "Milton" written by William Blake. He was a great philosopher and it's so surprising how he predicted the foundations of Sahaja Yoga at Surrey Hills and the first Sahaja centre at Lambeth. He also wrote that with a special power, ordinary people will become prophets. And with this wonderful power they will liberate many others. I enjoyed very much his poem that had such depth and such clear knowledge. If only the Sahaja Yogis of our country could become aware and alert towards this kind of knowledge, then they will aim at achieving the greatness and the depth of Sahaja Yoga. Change can only come through the Kundalini that is germinated by Sahaja Yoga. That which is the power of life, only that can work out the living process. There is no other path than change. This is the last step. It can be understood only through wisdom. This is the Last Judgement of God. But this is also the pure fountain of generous love flowing through the delicate heart of the Mother. You yourself have to assay (examine) yourself and purify yourself. Get your attention enlightened by this most beautiful Atma. Mother's many loving blessings to all. Only yours always, Mother Nirmala"

"The time of Mahayuga has come. Thanks to this thousands of people are getting their Self-realisation. At the beginning, only one or two flowers blossomed on this tree of life, but in this Mahayuga, spring has come. All this is a question of time. This yuga was predicted by many great people. Recently, I saw the book "Milton" written by William Blake. He was a great philosopher and it's so surprising how he predicted the foundations of Sahaja Yoga at Surrey Hills and the first Sahaja centre at Lambeth. He also wrote that with a special power, ordinary people will become prophets. And with this wonderful power they will liberate many others. I enjoyed very much his poem that had such depth and such clear knowledge. If only the Sahaja Yogis of our country could become aware and alert towards this kind of knowledge, then they will aim at achieving the greatness and the depth of Sahaja Yoga. Change can only come through the Kundalini that is germinated by Sahaja Yoga. That which is the power of life, only that can work out the living process. There is no other path than change. This is the last step. It can be understood only through wisdom. This is the Last Judgement of God. But this is also the pure fountain of generous love flowing through the delicate heart of the Mother. You yourself have to assay (examine) yourself and purify yourself. Get your attention enlightened by this most beautiful Atma. Mother's many loving blessings to all. Only yours always, Mother Nirmala"

1/14/1981

http://amruta.org/?p=10881

Makar Sankranti Puja

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Makar Sankranti Puja, Pune (India), January 1st, 1981 [Shri Mataji speaks first in Marathi; English starts at 24:51] I’m sorry I’ve not been able to speak to you in English language - and I’ve spoken some time. This special day today is the day of Sankranta. San, you know. ‘San’ means "good, holy" and ‘krant’ means the – [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi] . When I speak Marathi I forget English. Sahaja Yogis: Revolution. Shri Mataji: Revolution. Holy revolution. Holy. And that’s what I’m telling them. What is the Holy Revolution is, that your own Dharma is established now through Sahaja Yoga, you know what is your dharma. Because if you don’t do your own dharmas you’ll be lost. Your vibrations will be lost. You’ll immediately know that in your seeking you have lost something. You’ll be affected and so you have to correct. That’s not so difficult.But to make it a Sankranta – the Holy Revolution – you have to take to new, new religion, new steps. First of all, your own steps should be enlightened, and then you have to establish new steps to go ahead. And these are the new steps which are different for the Westerners and different for the Easterners. Just now I told them about the Eastern style and then I’ll tell you later on about the Western. We have to have new ideals, new styles because we are the courageous people, we are the valiant people. We have to fight the war of love, through love and it’s a very delicate thing. When the Sun moves from the left to the right, that means your desire becomes your action.Today is the day they give you a sweet thing, to say that you must speak sweetly which is very important for Western people; that when you are doing and organizing, you become heated up, there’s tension and you develop the temperament which is dry, emotionless. You know, the heart goes into a tantrum.At that time they say that you take the sweet, this sweet is a heating thing because now the Sun is moving towards the other side. That time also they, to give it a balance, they say: “Speak very sweetly. Use sweet words, use sweetness." Bring sweetness in your language which is very important, you understand that. And this is one of the religions we have to accept that we will not use harsh words to each other and then later on to others. First of all, to each other. There are many people who will be kind to others because others will eat them off but unkind to their own Sahaja Yogis.Because it is a universal happening, it’s the whole thing is working out universally. Even if you organize, you organize for the whole. Those who are organizing have no business to be harsh and those who are not organizing has no business to be slow. We must move with the same speed, with the same understanding. There’s a story in Marathi language which is a very good story that a – [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi] – the bird-catcher had put lots of temptations of good grain for some birds – pigeons. And the pigeons didn’t see the nest [net] – the trap – and they all came down to eat that. And there was a net there. In the net, their feet were entangled.So the solution was found out that: "If all of us with the same speed take off, we’ll take away the whole of the net and then he cannot catch us." So, one person said: "Alright, as soon as I say ‘yes’, let us all start with the same speed. If somebody increases his speed he is brought down." In the same way, Sahaja Yoga has to be worked out; and that’s why, to keep up the speed, keep yourself peaceful, loving, affectionate. Peace is the way we are going to achieve it. This is an explosive peace. By giving contrasts you bring the balance in: explosive.You have read also about the Goddess, the different aspects of Goddess. Always: "Ati Saumya, Ati Rudra" [In Devi Suktam from Devi Mahatmya ;"Gentle like the Moon and also terrible like Rudra"]to give the two contrasts by which bring the balance in the middle. That’s how you must understand that Sahaja Yoga is a very unique revolution. I told them also politically and also socially, in every way how we are going to improve every country, thus the whole world, the whole universe. Later, on I’ll translate the whole thing for you. So, today’s special day, very great day, let us ask that, when you are doing this puja, ask for new religions within you to be enshrined, to be sustained within ourselves and try to imbibe them.They will be permeating but you have to accept them and should know it’s a big fight. And it’s a very different type of a fight of peace and love.That’s why they say: "Speak sweetly. Be sweet with others." Not to be sarcastic by any chance, nor to be harsh, but be sweet. Sweetness which is genuine, not outward and showing and formal, but genuine sweetness.May God bless you all. Sahaja Yogis:Om twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalakshmi Mahasaraswati Mahakali Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalakshmi Mahasaraswati Mahakali Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalakshmi Mahasaraswati Mahakali Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. [End of audio]

Makar Sankranti Puja, Pune (India), January 1st, 1981 [Shri Mataji speaks first in Marathi; English starts at 24:51] I’m sorry I’ve not been able to speak to you in English language - and I’ve spoken some time. This special day today is the day of Sankranta. San, you know. ‘San’ means "good, holy" and ‘krant’ means the – [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi] . When I speak Marathi I forget English. Sahaja Yogis: Revolution. Shri Mataji: Revolution. Holy revolution. Holy. And that’s what I’m telling them. What is the Holy Revolution is, that your own Dharma is established now through Sahaja Yoga, you know what is your dharma. Because if you don’t do your own dharmas you’ll be lost. Your vibrations will be lost. You’ll immediately know that in your seeking you have lost something. You’ll be affected and so you have to correct. That’s not so difficult.But to make it a Sankranta – the Holy Revolution – you have to take to new, new religion, new steps. First of all, your own steps should be enlightened, and then you have to establish new steps to go ahead. And these are the new steps which are different for the Westerners and different for the Easterners. Just now I told them about the Eastern style and then I’ll tell you later on about the Western. We have to have new ideals, new styles because we are the courageous people, we are the valiant people. We have to fight the war of love, through love and it’s a very delicate thing. When the Sun moves from the left to the right, that means your desire becomes your action.Today is the day they give you a sweet thing, to say that you must speak sweetly which is very important for Western people; that when you are doing and organizing, you become heated up, there’s tension and you develop the temperament which is dry, emotionless. You know, the heart goes into a tantrum.At that time they say that you take the sweet, this sweet is a heating thing because now the Sun is moving towards the other side. That time also they, to give it a balance, they say: “Speak very sweetly. Use sweet words, use sweetness." Bring sweetness in your language which is very important, you understand that. And this is one of the religions we have to accept that we will not use harsh words to each other and then later on to others. First of all, to each other. There are many people who will be kind to others because others will eat them off but unkind to their own Sahaja Yogis.Because it is a universal happening, it’s the whole thing is working out universally. Even if you organize, you organize for the whole. Those who are organizing have no business to be harsh and those who are not organizing has no business to be slow. We must move with the same speed, with the same understanding. There’s a story in Marathi language which is a very good story that a – [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi] – the bird-catcher had put lots of temptations of good grain for some birds – pigeons. And the pigeons didn’t see the nest [net] – the trap – and they all came down to eat that. And there was a net there. In the net, their feet were entangled.So the solution was found out that: "If all of us with the same speed take off, we’ll take away the whole of the net and then he cannot catch us." So, one person said: "Alright, as soon as I say ‘yes’, let us all start with the same speed. If somebody increases his speed he is brought down." In the same way, Sahaja Yoga has to be worked out; and that’s why, to keep up the speed, keep yourself peaceful, loving, affectionate. Peace is the way we are going to achieve it. This is an explosive peace. By giving contrasts you bring the balance in: explosive.You have read also about the Goddess, the different aspects of Goddess. Always: "Ati Saumya, Ati Rudra" [In Devi Suktam from Devi Mahatmya ;"Gentle like the Moon and also terrible like Rudra"]to give the two contrasts by which bring the balance in the middle. That’s how you must understand that Sahaja Yoga is a very unique revolution. I told them also politically and also socially, in every way how we are going to improve every country, thus the whole world, the whole universe. Later, on I’ll translate the whole thing for you. So, today’s special day, very great day, let us ask that, when you are doing this puja, ask for new religions within you to be enshrined, to be sustained within ourselves and try to imbibe them.They will be permeating but you have to accept them and should know it’s a big fight. And it’s a very different type of a fight of peace and love.That’s why they say: "Speak sweetly. Be sweet with others." Not to be sarcastic by any chance, nor to be harsh, but be sweet. Sweetness which is genuine, not outward and showing and formal, but genuine sweetness.May God bless you all. Sahaja Yogis:Om twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalakshmi Mahasaraswati Mahakali Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalakshmi Mahasaraswati Mahakali Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalakshmi Mahasaraswati Mahakali Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. [End of audio]

1/24/1981

http://amruta.org/?p=34645

Problems of Sahaja Yoga

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis

English

January 24th, 1981, Problems Of Sahaja Yoga - Bordi (India) Sahaja yogi_1 (Mr. Chavan): of a certain other individual or the individual who has been caught, what to do? So, he is advised in the matter like this, first you put your attention in your own Sahasrara, this is the first thing you have to do. Then while chanting the mantra, put the attention on the chakra of the person to whom you are giving treatment. And also, your attention should be simultaneously on your chakra. Then while chanting the mantra you can give a flow of vibration or you can go on giving bandhana to that chakra. Now by chanting mantra only for a time, may not release the chakra. So you have to repeat the chantings, as you go on increasing the chanting, say 7 times, 10 times, 21 times, like that, and you find simultaneously when your attention is there, you find that the chakra is getting relieved, it is getting opened and the kundalini is making its movement in a proper manner. So, that’s how you have to relieve a chakra while chanting the mantra with the help of mantra. Now, there was another question from Mr. Pitkar. He asked that a number of sahaja yogis who find themselves stuck at certain chakra and they feel they don’t know how to go ahead, what they should do? He says, we want to have certain tips by which we can make quicker progress without getting constricted at that point. Sahaja yogi_2: Mataji expressed her desire that she wants to participate in our brain trust program today. And She has specifically asked me to convey this message to you, that you should ask me questions for which you have got any particular problem. She has expressed her happiness and pleasure at the way we are conducting, I have told her that we are conducting the brain trust program as was desired by you. She expressed her joy that alright continue you have got my full blessings. I will request everybody that as soon as she comes only the garlanding on behalf of the Shibir has been already done. Let her be seated and we will continue the program as we have continued up till now. Only when in difficulty Mataji will participate when and whenever she wants it being picked. (Same explained in Marathi. ) Shri Mataji is welcomed. Sahaja yogi_1 (Mr. Chavan): So, I was just translating the question that was put forward by Mr. Pitkar. I will again repeat it. He wanted to know, he expressed that there are a number of sahaja yogis who find it difficult to take their Kundalini above certain chakras, say vishuddhi or Agnya , frequently they get caught at these chakras and he wants to have certain tips on how to progress in Sahaja yoga? How to bring Kundalini or stabilize the kundalini in Sahasrara. So, I think for me, I have talked to you on a few occasions about my own experience with this and I have told you that, it is very much necessary first to put your attention to yourself. This is the first thing you have to do. If you want to make progress, you have to give attention to yourself. Don’t think about anybody, think only about mother and yourself. That’s all. If you put your attention to say your brother, your friend, your sister. But you are actually doing this, you are sitting before the photograph of mother that is actually mother. You are saying that mother, I am walking towards you and at the same time you are telling your mother that see my sister, she is not feeling well you look after her. You are chanting one thing with your mouth and your attention is towards your sister and not towards yourself and towards your mother. So, your progress is arrested. That’s the principal reason why people get obstructed. This is one thing. One more point I told you and that is regarding the habit of forgiving all those who have offended you knowingly or unknowingly and also apologizing for any offending that you might have done to others. And that you have to do from the heart of your heart. So, when you sit for meditation, you have to first forgive others and then ask for apologies. But after forgiving you ask a question, put a question to yourself, have you really forgiven? And within seconds you will come to know that you have not really forgiven. It’s very difficult, it is a subtle thing that you have to practice within yourself. And after doing this, what you are doing actually you are trying to help yourself, your mind, your attention, your awareness resolve, settle in a proper order. And then there is absolutely no difficulty, Kundalini straight comes in Sahasrara and it descends down and there is continuous cool flow of vibrations from all over body, why only hands? So that is how it is to be done. And I don’t think there is any other short cut for this that is to be practiced within, not from outside. Thank you! (Same explained in Marathi. ) Shri Mataji: Can I ask a question to Mr. Chavan now? ( In Marathi) The Question is like this, I am asking Mr. Chavan, he said you must forgive everyone. Now supposing somebody abuses your Mataji, says horrible things about her and see sort of infuriates you, then what to do? How to overcome that? Sahaja yogi_1 (Mr. Chavan): (In Marathi) Now, I’ll just try to again translate in the reply that I gave was that, I feel that suppose a situation comes across where a certain person is abusing mother. So, what is our first reaction? If you are stable, I feel you should be immediately able to make out as to whether that person is a knowledgeable person, where he is realized, because a realized soul will never be able to abuse mother, never be able to talk anything against mother. That is just impossible, its only because he is in avidya (false knowledge), he doesn’t have the knowledge that he is abusing the mother. When he comes to reality, he will not do so. Now, I told that our elder brother Shri Jesus Christ, has shown us the way in this regard. He has said that whenever you come across any such person who abuses God, then you have to tell, you have to pray God that please, please we have to say please Mother, you forgive him. When mother forgives everything comes in it. I feel it is not necessary to give him punishment. I am nobody to punish him. It is the forgiveness of the Mother itself will act as punishment and reward for that person. Because as soon as she forgives, the person will get realized and he will get everything. There is no other good punishment. Thank you! Shri Mataji: It’s very well said. But it’s a very subtle point you see because God has given us also temper and anger as well as forgiveness. Both qualities are within us. And he has not given us temper for something that is useless, as even temper is necessary. Once you are realized, once you are a realized soul, your temper is also dynamic, it is needed. When somebody says something against God and against your mother, if he is a realized soul or if he is not a realized soul is a very important point, no doubt. Supposing he is not a realized soul then the best thing is to pity such a man and say that O God forgive, because they do not know what they are doing. But say even Christ, supposing something had happened to the mother of Christ, now how he would have reacted? Then he would have come up as her son and he would have taken the cross in his hands and hit all the people there. So, when somebody abuses who is a realized soul, there are many realized souls, whom I have given realization, who have come up very well but who fall out., who try to abuse and try to say bad things, now at that time it’s the whole collectivity is challenged, the whole collectivity, the whole collective being is challenged when he says something like that. He is a part and parcel of your being. Think if in your finger you have some pain, what do you do? You rub it off. When a person who is a realized soul, if he tries to be funny or if he tries to abuse anything that is divine, you have to get into a temper, that's a part, but this temper is to be diverted into Sahaja Yoga system like you beat him with shoes, you write his names and burn it, you write his names on the ground and stamp it, you take out your anger on them. Your anger is divine anger, it has a meaning. You are part of the whole divine. If you are angry the divine is angry. But this anger is hithkaari, is the one that is benevolent, is a benevolent anger. This benevolent anger is necessary because he is the part and parcel of the whole and you go all out. There are so many ways by which you really punish in a symbolic way. But that punishment brings him out of his negativity. But for people who are not realized also, these things come up. When negativity is very powerful and wants to take a challenge with the positivity, supposing there’s a negative person and he wants to disturb say our work, at that time you will be amazed that those who will be negative will start supporting the person. Immediately, you can pick them out and say that these are negative. And those who are positive will be in anger, they’ll keep quiet, some of them will be boiling and some of them might get up and say you get out from here. That we have to do, that challenge we have to take up and say to people, that is only possible when you have full discretion, how to use your anger? You have to say it out. It is necessary because if you allow these negativities to be there, they will get hold of people who are sitting on the fences who are half baked, at that time it is necessary to show your strength, not to get lost in your temper, but to stand up to say you get out from here, don’t know what you are doing, that is very important, because whatever you see, say is a mantra, is a dynamite that will change the whole atmosphere. The negativity will run away, but if you say that, alright let it happen, it will have a bad effect. Christ allowed them to torture him, but not his mother nor God. He took a hunter in his hand when people were selling in the market. So, he has a double side also and in you also there is Kalki. And you, I have awakened Kalki in you. So, you are also Kalki but you must reach a certain maturity, then only you can do it. Sometimes it is very important, but the way you do it, with what dignity you do it is very important. But one has to learn that also, you have to learn how to say it with sternness and with strength that you shut up now. You are not to say a word, and only saying this will make all the negativities run away. At a point one has to say, that’s what I feel that when you grow in this atmosphere here, let you find yourself which is also very very strong as well as forgiving. You know that your mother’s nature is Atisoumya, Atiroudrya; she lives in two extremes. She can be extremely gentle, and she can be terrific. And these two qualities you should also imbibe, but it should never be directed against your own brothers and sisters, you don’t direct all destructive forces. But against the negativity, because the time has come for us to fight. The time has started now for us to fight these negative forces and for that we all must take up strength within, you see compromising with them all that is not going to help us. So, the strength must be there, a dignity and with all understanding and discretion you have to tell. But I have seen mostly negative people will stand up and say you shut up, you go away. So, the positivity should reach that stage where you are matured and when you just say stand up and shut up, it means something. That’s a part one has to play, one has to accept we are not going to run away from our parts and some time, as I said, you have to take swords in your hand. So, this is a very courageous role full of valor. It does not mean that we are cowards, or we are weak people. We are very strong, extremely powerful people and you have tremendous power. But you have the greatest power is that of forgiveness, but behind that forgiveness, there is no weakness. What is the forgiveness of a weak person, he has to forgive in any case? But the strength of a Sahaja yogi can forgive. So, if somebody says something against the divinity itself, you have to stand up in a way, in a dignified way. And use your discretion and if necessary, you have to tell them that you are in for trouble. This much I can say. Because this is also an important part where step by step as you are growing you will be amazed that as you are flowers, you are also the thorns that have to protect the flower within. We have both roles and we are not to avoid anything that is within us, that is our part but the only thing is the channelizing, this is very important and this subtle point we must understand. Mr. Chavan is a very very competent man and he knows how to handle situations and things but him also and to everyone, I am telling, if you find anybody any sahaja yogi who is deviating from the path of Sahaja yoga, you have to tell him, straight on the face that this is wrong. This you should not do, and you should support a man who says that, is important. Because all of us must join hands together to find out the weaknesses that we have and how to get rid of them, is very important. Because unless and until we take a strong attitude towards ourselves and towards our whole collectivity, you don’t know there is such a tremendous force collected against divinity that we may give in. So, let us build up ourselves also with courage and with the full idea of our powers of divinity that we have within ourselves. May God bless you, it’s a very good point that came up, I am very happy. Mr. Chavan is a very good leader, a nice man and compromising and a very powerful person. He comes from a community which is known for its valor and so he is so strong because, he has built up himself like that and such a person will have patience and everything he can have, but to a point, to a point. Then you have to come out and tell off people, Thank you! (Shri Mataji explaining the same in Marathi) Sahaja yogi_3 (Mr. Modi): ( In Marathi) Shri Mataji: This is a primordial question. He is asking why it is crossed here, see at the Agnya chakra, why it is crossed? What is the need to cross it at this point? You could have had it straight you see, so there is no problem of crossing. So, I said that this I have done so I better answer because nobody will be able to answer this question. ( Marathi: First I will tell in English) See the Agnya chakra is placed in charge of both the things is one is for Mana (Super Ego) and also for Ego. Now, how do you control these two things? They are to be placed at one point, how do you get a point out of two things, unless and until you cross them. It is simple mathematics; you have to cross them at a point where you fix up one center. And this one center should be able to control both the things, now you might say why not have two centers? Because see, they are so interdependent. If you raise ego your superego goes down. If you raise your superego, the ego goes down. So, they are so interconnected that it has to be one point by which you can control both of them and put them in the balance. Now, another problem is that if it is crossed, you see we are not stopped by that. The basic problem is that how to control both these things, and that’s why it is placed here but you must know that this crossing doesn’t stop your movement of the kundalini. Because kundalini rises in the center not on the sides. When these two are crossing, the center in between here is inside the thing. Say for example, there is a crossing between the two bores (unclear) and both the bores(unclear) become open like this, like this, so it can always open, no problem. But the communication is there, but this opens out, but why this is closed is the point. It is closed because of the extremes of one another. This is closed because this one is more or this one is more. Now, if you can somehow reduce the pressure and bring them into a balanced way then this opens out. Now, how do you do it, very simple, that supposing your ego is more, what do you do? Left side to right side, right you do 7 times. And now see for yourself raising your kundalini if Agnya opens or not? Supposing your superego is more, you can feel it. Then you raise your right to your left down, right? now you balance it and so that the aperture opens out. When it is in balance, it opens out automatically. That’s why it is crossed, otherwise you cannot control it. (Shri Mataji explaining in Marathi) This is opened like this. When it is in balance it opens like this. When it is in imbalance it goes like this or like that. Both the time it closes down. So only by closing it down, you will know, which side it is, otherwise you would not know. There are so many ways by which you can open it also, you know that. If it is the superego, you know which mantras to be said. If it is ego you know what to say? How to raise it? How to get rid of your ego? How to get rid of your superego.( In Marathi) Yes. Come here, come here Sahaja_yogi4: My question is when we are just beginning to be in sahaja yoga and we are just beginning to cleansing ourselves, I am very, I don’t really know How I have to behave myself Shri Mataji: Behave Sahaja yogi_4: to behave myself, means How I have to act when I don’t know, So for example When I am, do I have to work on people already and for this problem, I can feel that I can catch really easily negativity from people, even I do Bandhan and all the advice. And that’s all. Sahaja yogi_2: Whom you want to ask this question? Sahaja yogi_4: Warren. ( Shri Mataji explaining the question in Marathi) Sahaja yogi_5 (Mr. Warren): If I follow the question correctly, he is wanting to know how we deal with a person when we are giving awakening and self-realization, particularly as it relates to problems of we younger sahaja yogis who are prone to catch, prone to maybe get a little caught up from these problems. Am I correct Mother, is this the question? Shri Mataji: Yes, it is. Sahaja yogi_5(Mr. Warren): So, what we have found in Australia and I can only speak from my own experience is that first, we pray to the Mother that we will have the strength to be the transmitter of these divine vibrations and the way we do this is as you know to first of all put bandhan around ourself, to protect ourself and bandhan around the other person. This is simple we know this. And then of course to put our attention on Sahasrara. So that our Chitta is correct and then ask of the unconscious where that person is catching by using the very simple device which mother has given us of asking and then our own kundalini comes to that chakra within our own being and then we put a bandhan to that chakra and in so doing we are putting our self in collectivity. And by collectivity we are able to remove the blockage or the badha or whatever the problem is. But of course this depends upon how strong the kundalini is in the person who is giving, how strong the kundialini is in the person who is working on that person, it depends upon how much the antaryoga is working, how much the inner yoga is working within that person, how strong the desire from Mooladhara is working, how much it is reflected on Sahasrara, How far are we growing as sahaja yogis? And so we will find that every case is different, but one thing is for sure that as you grow, as you surrender to the Mother, as your attention seats itself on Sahastrar, One thing is absolutely certain that you will catch less and less and less as the time goes by and your confidence will grow. And as your confidence grows, the seat of the spirit at Sahastarar will become more permanent. The Ganesha shakti will grow, Kundalini will rise with greater force, the tendency to catch will diminish and all of these things which we all have experienced. Every one of us has experienced these very things that you speak of Alexander, it is a real problem. But it is a problem which is able to be solved and it is solved by the grace of our Mother, who as time goes by, as she nurtures her children and as we grow in knowledge, and joy and love. So, to all of these things just happen, they just happen in a Sahaj way. So, a little patience, a little time and you will find that the confidences displayed by Dhumal, Chavan. Just put your attention on other person and it just happens, that’s all they do. We have to do a little more but with time it does grow. So be patient, learn the little tricks that mother has taught us, do the things that we know we should do and very soon if you keep your attention here and you surrender to the mother, it all works out. This is what we keep saying to people in Australia, it will all work out but it is rather remarkable in every case this place became almost one with which was Heckley. But in an incredible way it has worked out. Thank you! Shri Mataji: (First I will say in English and then will say in Marathi…(In marathi).) It’s a very simple thing which is sort of still people are not knowing one thing for definite that you do not catch from anyone when you give realization to anyone. It’s a myth. It’s just a myth. You feel you are catching from another person, actually it is you who is the one who is showing the catches. It is you who has the weaknesses. You will never catch from anybody else because it is given in purity. You know even the name of your mother means immaculate and it’s an immaculate awakening you give to the other person. The difference is that because a western mind thinks about it too much, that’s why they catch. You just go on giving realization, just you will never catch, you cannot catch that’s my guarantee to you. But you catch only because when you are giving realization you are thinking about it. You do not do it in thoughtless awareness. You should do it in thoughtless awareness. This is not your brother, this is not your sister, this is no one, you are not interested. When you get interested in a person like she is your sister, he is brother, he must get it, must happen to your mother, must happen to your father, you are interested in people. Must happen to this one or that one, finished. Because they are part and parcel of you and their weaknesses show in you. But if you are not interested and involved into a person, you will never catch. No question. It’s so beautiful you just raise your hands. But because you think about it all the time. See take a question of Mr. X, who is thinking he has problems. You have no problems at all, it’s a myth, it’s a myth. All your problems are nothing but myths, do you know that? These are all myths and you have to go beyond it. This is what kundalini is doing is taking you out of all your myths. You have no problems. It’s just that sometimes the superego has come up, sometimes ego has come up. Push that down, finished. You are beyond. You have gone beyond it. Now when you catch, you see you are thinking oh you have this problem, this has happened to you. This is your past problem, future problems. This problem or that problem. You have no problems. First of all, know within yourself you have no problems. Now you have become lights, you have to solve the problem of others. You have no problems at all. Now raising the kundalini, nobody should catch. There is no need to give even bandhan I would say. But, supposing you think you have to give bandhan, don’t show your weaknesses, see somebody is sitting before you, you show him weaknesses. There is nothing to be afraid of, the fear, the little bit of fear within you will catch. It is lacking (unclear) within you which catches. Just go ahead with it, but it doesn’t also mean that you have with your ego. Some people have an ego, oh how can I not give him realization? That also is an attachment. Alright, we tried, it doesn’t work out get out, finished. This is the other side of it, you see I must give realization to my mother, I must give realization to my father. First attachment is like that, why? Who are they to you? Who are your brothers and sisters? Just forget it. You are people who are seekers. You are a category, they are not that category, if they were, they would have come to you. Go and seek outside on the streets, go and find out the seekers. I don’t give it to my children, I don’t give it to anyone, you know that. I am not interested. Alright, I have relationships, finished. But I am not bothered as far as their realization is concerned. Those who deserve, those who are of the category you give them realization. But you will catch hold of a person who is a very dear and near according to you, then you give realization to them and that dear and near comes back like a Scorpion and it catches you. Then you say I am caught up. No, you don’t give realization to anybody who is known to you, finished. Interested in your child, in your wife, in your mother, in your brother, they are not seekers. They have nothing to do with you. Just forget them. Give realization to seekers, and not to people who are not seekers. Then you will not have any problems. Then ego problem comes up when the seekers who are not seekers you try to give them realization, you will say oh God, the kundalini doesn’t rise. Oh, drop, drop their back, do this, beat them, raise it, then you catch. It is ego, you are catching on your ego and when you get frightened of somebody, you see a person whom you give realization, suddenly you find that person shaking too much and then say let it be, I have nothing to do with you. I cannot give you realization, finished. You better sit before mother’s photograph; you see if you can get realization from her. There are people I have seen they said we will not take mother’s photograph, but you give us realization. You should say, if you don’t want to take mother’s photograph, we have nothing to do with you. Who are you? We don’t know you. You work on mother’s photograph first of all, let them develop that dedication for your mother. Why should you give them realization? How am I related to them? How am I obliged to them? I am obliged to you not to them. So do not force things on people, just give realization to people who are seekers, who are seeking, who have respect for your mother. You see you will never catch. Because if you are forcing, you are forcing because of your ego. If you are running away it is because of your superego and you catch on these two things. But you are just doing it because you are light, just throwing light, who can catch? Can this light catch any darkness because it is there, because there is darkness around, will it? When this little light cannot do it, then how can you the ones who are given the Ganesha power by your mother, how can you catch? You are Ganeshas, do you know that? You are very powerful. The only thing is, you shouldn’t have weaknesses for others. It is only your weakness that catches, never the weakness of another person. Nobody can catch you. I have not made mo(unclear) here, just dainty darlings, No. you raise your hands and you will see that they. But don’t run after useless people, 3rd raters, there are, there must be many people who are real seekers, work out with them, alright? Sahaja yogi speaking (not audible) Shri Mataji: What, you catch between sahaja yogis also? What did you say? Sahaja yogi: No, No. (not audible) Shri Mataji: But one thing, you have no problem. You see if any sahaja yogi comes with his problem to you, you tell him you have no problem. Just tell them, you see this is a style which western people have. They all have problems for nothing at all. Lame is rabla (not sure) This is all due to thinking. You have no problems. What problems do you have? You have to solve the problem of the whole world, still you are sitting with your problems? You are the swimmers. The swimmers don’t have problems, you have to save people who are getting drowned. Now the swimmers are saying we have problems, how to save? It’s a question like that? You have no problems; you have no problems. Just forget it, you are put above problems, beyond. Believe me, believe me, believe me. Alright, alright. Keep to that alright. Sahaja yogi: not audible. Shri Mataji: If he wants you, if he wants you to help him. You should. Actually, most of the sahaja yogis suffer from over vibrations. Yes, you see always if a sahaja yogi says this is paining, you just catch hold of his hand and put it down like that and he will be alright, just like that. They all suffer from over vibrations, because you don’t give it to others. Give it, please give it to everyone. I don’t know, you suffer from that. Any pain you have anywhere, you ask somebody to put your hand there and take it out, finished. You, most of you suffer from over vibrations. I haven’t seen anybody suffering from less vibrations. I have yet to come across one. You have so much vibrations that you are not aware of it. One of you can give realization to 10,000 people. Even in Paris. Alright? Alright, so now stand up for that and do it, do it. You have to do it. ( In Marathi) this is the answer. Alright, Warren, correct? You never catch. It is only you think, you never catch. You take it from me. You have given realization to so many people. Where are the catches? you are so much better. And if you don’t get vibrations, then you will catch. Because you will have vibrations attacked here, attacked here and you will say Oh God I cannot do it. You don’t try to give vibrations to people who are negative people. Just don’t bother your head, you are not to do it. See because you insist, so your ego catches, and you think you are caught up. No, it is your ego, you know this thoroughly this is a useless person, why waste your energy? Alright? You must be having some sensible people around, isn’t it? Shri Mataji explaining in Marathi. Sahaja yogi: Mr. Phaldankar has raised a question that people who do black magic or some sort of thing like that, what is the remedy in Sahaja yoga for that? And Mr. Dhumal will reply that question in Marathi and afterwards professor Chavan will say in English. Mr. Dhumal: Answering in Marathi. Mr. Chavan: (Translating the answer in English) Now When we come across any person or who comes to you to seek help to get relief from effects of black magic, what one should do? That was the question. And the reply furnished was, now as far as possible, you first see there are any person in that family is practicing sahaja yoga. If the person is practicing sahaja yoga then it is alright you may think of extending your help otherwise it is best to keep aloof from such persons. Now when you want to extend help what are we to do? For the persons who practice black magic, they always first try to put bandhanas or try to tie up the deities which are being prayed by that person. So, our first job is to relive that bandhana or that tying on the deity that is being worshipped by the person. Now how to do this? This can be done by our method of integration, so the deity which is being prayed, being worshipped by that person has to be put, the name of the deity has to be put in that mantra and then in the regular fashion we can just integrate that name with that of the divine mother and thus by doing this that particular deity it gets that gets first relieved, then you have to work on the person. So, the other thing is, now the treated person that is this is regarding that. Now we come to the person concerned, if that person is to be given treatment, first is that earthen pot treatment, matka treatment (putting seven lemon and seven green chilies in it), you know the way the treatment is given. So, this is the best treatment. The second treatment is burning chilies (red chilies) along with little salt and mustard seeds. So, these three things put together, they are burnt in that house. Now, you will find, if they are burnt generally you will have coughing in the house. But if the black magic is operating in that house you will find that there is no coughing, you can breathe normally in that house. So, that is the effect of black magic. So, once that chilies and mustard seeds and little salt put together when they are burnt for a while say 3-4 chilies that will suffice. Every day that treatment can be given for 3-4 days or 5 days depending on the intensity. As the intensity decreases you can just stop it. Then the Kumkum, you have to always ask the person to apply the Kumkum on the forehead and on the Sahasrara. Then you can also ask, one thing is very important, the person concerned, you have to ask that person to completely surrender to the mother. This is again one point I forgot and this you have to ask him to do this first. Unless he surrenders completely this won’t happen. This is the most important thing. Because generally people call us or invite us for helping them out of this situation, but when we go they are not prepared to accept this first. And then they simultaneously ask that they should get relieved. Now two things cannot operate at a time. So, first the person concerned should completely surrender and then only you can extend the help. Thank you! Shri Mataji: In addition to this, I mean there are so many others things as you know is to ask the person to beat with the chappals, and things like that, the relations can beat him with chappals or all these things as you know, How to burn the name of the person and all these things that you know about, how to get rid of these horrible negativities of the person which you can all work it out. It's not difficult. But better thing these things are not done by relations but other Sahaja yogis to help them that would be better. So, this all you know. Shri Mataji explaining in Marathi. Sahaja yogi: I would like to ask this question to the members of the panel. It has been my observation during the last 3 years that in the midst of our dear Mataji in Bombay or in Pune or during her programs, we draw hundreds of people towards sahaja yoga in the various halls where programs are held. But after our mother’s departure we are not able to hold on even to the 5th of the gathering. I would like the members to analyze this and to tell me as to what should be done by us whether in Bombay, Pune, Rahuri, Delhi, in Paris or in England anywhere or even in Australia where the mother would be shortly going. And I would also request our dear Mother to give us some wisdom on this occasion and some guidelines also. Sahaja yogi: (In Marathi) Shri Mataji: A question was asked that why is it that when the mother is there we get thousands and thousands of people and when she goes away then there hardly any people coming to the program and very few people stick on and what is the reason? And What should we do about it? Now, Dhumal has told something which also I may repeat but I will tell you something more practical much more practical that will work out. He has said it's true that it is like a farming. You see when the farming, in the farming you have to look after the small little sprouts and then you try to make them grow into trees and you have to really bother about them and find out how they are growing and all that is very important and which is true what he says is true but how you can achieve it? Which is very simple as I will tell you. First of all when we have any program say in the city or in a village, we all people who are sahaja yogis should form really a very strong intricate and a very dedicated group, absolutely and like CID’s you can call, or like very very alert people. And we should sit down, Mataji is working out and your attention should be not to take vibrations or anything but sit around the people and be on the watch out who gets realization and who gets it. You divide the whole group that comes in, in such a way that you get hold of some people, some people, some people here. Like say there are 25 sahaja yogis and say there are 500 people. Now out of 500 at least if not at least 300 will get realization. Now these 25 people should suddenly sort of surround those people who are around and take their addresses everything. (end of audio)

January 24th, 1981, Problems Of Sahaja Yoga - Bordi (India) Sahaja yogi_1 (Mr. Chavan): of a certain other individual or the individual who has been caught, what to do? So, he is advised in the matter like this, first you put your attention in your own Sahasrara, this is the first thing you have to do. Then while chanting the mantra, put the attention on the chakra of the person to whom you are giving treatment. And also, your attention should be simultaneously on your chakra. Then while chanting the mantra you can give a flow of vibration or you can go on giving bandhana to that chakra. Now by chanting mantra only for a time, may not release the chakra. So you have to repeat the chantings, as you go on increasing the chanting, say 7 times, 10 times, 21 times, like that, and you find simultaneously when your attention is there, you find that the chakra is getting relieved, it is getting opened and the kundalini is making its movement in a proper manner. So, that’s how you have to relieve a chakra while chanting the mantra with the help of mantra. Now, there was another question from Mr. Pitkar. He asked that a number of sahaja yogis who find themselves stuck at certain chakra and they feel they don’t know how to go ahead, what they should do? He says, we want to have certain tips by which we can make quicker progress without getting constricted at that point. Sahaja yogi_2: Mataji expressed her desire that she wants to participate in our brain trust program today. And She has specifically asked me to convey this message to you, that you should ask me questions for which you have got any particular problem. She has expressed her happiness and pleasure at the way we are conducting, I have told her that we are conducting the brain trust program as was desired by you. She expressed her joy that alright continue you have got my full blessings. I will request everybody that as soon as she comes only the garlanding on behalf of the Shibir has been already done. Let her be seated and we will continue the program as we have continued up till now. Only when in difficulty Mataji will participate when and whenever she wants it being picked. (Same explained in Marathi. ) Shri Mataji is welcomed. Sahaja yogi_1 (Mr. Chavan): So, I was just translating the question that was put forward by Mr. Pitkar. I will again repeat it. He wanted to know, he expressed that there are a number of sahaja yogis who find it difficult to take their Kundalini above certain chakras, say vishuddhi or Agnya , frequently they get caught at these chakras and he wants to have certain tips on how to progress in Sahaja yoga? How to bring Kundalini or stabilize the kundalini in Sahasrara. So, I think for me, I have talked to you on a few occasions about my own experience with this and I have told you that, it is very much necessary first to put your attention to yourself. This is the first thing you have to do. If you want to make progress, you have to give attention to yourself. Don’t think about anybody, think only about mother and yourself. That’s all. If you put your attention to say your brother, your friend, your sister. But you are actually doing this, you are sitting before the photograph of mother that is actually mother. You are saying that mother, I am walking towards you and at the same time you are telling your mother that see my sister, she is not feeling well you look after her. You are chanting one thing with your mouth and your attention is towards your sister and not towards yourself and towards your mother. So, your progress is arrested. That’s the principal reason why people get obstructed. This is one thing. One more point I told you and that is regarding the habit of forgiving all those who have offended you knowingly or unknowingly and also apologizing for any offending that you might have done to others. And that you have to do from the heart of your heart. So, when you sit for meditation, you have to first forgive others and then ask for apologies. But after forgiving you ask a question, put a question to yourself, have you really forgiven? And within seconds you will come to know that you have not really forgiven. It’s very difficult, it is a subtle thing that you have to practice within yourself. And after doing this, what you are doing actually you are trying to help yourself, your mind, your attention, your awareness resolve, settle in a proper order. And then there is absolutely no difficulty, Kundalini straight comes in Sahasrara and it descends down and there is continuous cool flow of vibrations from all over body, why only hands? So that is how it is to be done. And I don’t think there is any other short cut for this that is to be practiced within, not from outside. Thank you! (Same explained in Marathi. ) Shri Mataji: Can I ask a question to Mr. Chavan now? ( In Marathi) The Question is like this, I am asking Mr. Chavan, he said you must forgive everyone. Now supposing somebody abuses your Mataji, says horrible things about her and see sort of infuriates you, then what to do? How to overcome that? Sahaja yogi_1 (Mr. Chavan): (In Marathi) Now, I’ll just try to again translate in the reply that I gave was that, I feel that suppose a situation comes across where a certain person is abusing mother. So, what is our first reaction? If you are stable, I feel you should be immediately able to make out as to whether that person is a knowledgeable person, where he is realized, because a realized soul will never be able to abuse mother, never be able to talk anything against mother. That is just impossible, its only because he is in avidya (false knowledge), he doesn’t have the knowledge that he is abusing the mother. When he comes to reality, he will not do so. Now, I told that our elder brother Shri Jesus Christ, has shown us the way in this regard. He has said that whenever you come across any such person who abuses God, then you have to tell, you have to pray God that please, please we have to say please Mother, you forgive him. When mother forgives everything comes in it. I feel it is not necessary to give him punishment. I am nobody to punish him. It is the forgiveness of the Mother itself will act as punishment and reward for that person. Because as soon as she forgives, the person will get realized and he will get everything. There is no other good punishment. Thank you! Shri Mataji: It’s very well said. But it’s a very subtle point you see because God has given us also temper and anger as well as forgiveness. Both qualities are within us. And he has not given us temper for something that is useless, as even temper is necessary. Once you are realized, once you are a realized soul, your temper is also dynamic, it is needed. When somebody says something against God and against your mother, if he is a realized soul or if he is not a realized soul is a very important point, no doubt. Supposing he is not a realized soul then the best thing is to pity such a man and say that O God forgive, because they do not know what they are doing. But say even Christ, supposing something had happened to the mother of Christ, now how he would have reacted? Then he would have come up as her son and he would have taken the cross in his hands and hit all the people there. So, when somebody abuses who is a realized soul, there are many realized souls, whom I have given realization, who have come up very well but who fall out., who try to abuse and try to say bad things, now at that time it’s the whole collectivity is challenged, the whole collectivity, the whole collective being is challenged when he says something like that. He is a part and parcel of your being. Think if in your finger you have some pain, what do you do? You rub it off. When a person who is a realized soul, if he tries to be funny or if he tries to abuse anything that is divine, you have to get into a temper, that's a part, but this temper is to be diverted into Sahaja Yoga system like you beat him with shoes, you write his names and burn it, you write his names on the ground and stamp it, you take out your anger on them. Your anger is divine anger, it has a meaning. You are part of the whole divine. If you are angry the divine is angry. But this anger is hithkaari, is the one that is benevolent, is a benevolent anger. This benevolent anger is necessary because he is the part and parcel of the whole and you go all out. There are so many ways by which you really punish in a symbolic way. But that punishment brings him out of his negativity. But for people who are not realized also, these things come up. When negativity is very powerful and wants to take a challenge with the positivity, supposing there’s a negative person and he wants to disturb say our work, at that time you will be amazed that those who will be negative will start supporting the person. Immediately, you can pick them out and say that these are negative. And those who are positive will be in anger, they’ll keep quiet, some of them will be boiling and some of them might get up and say you get out from here. That we have to do, that challenge we have to take up and say to people, that is only possible when you have full discretion, how to use your anger? You have to say it out. It is necessary because if you allow these negativities to be there, they will get hold of people who are sitting on the fences who are half baked, at that time it is necessary to show your strength, not to get lost in your temper, but to stand up to say you get out from here, don’t know what you are doing, that is very important, because whatever you see, say is a mantra, is a dynamite that will change the whole atmosphere. The negativity will run away, but if you say that, alright let it happen, it will have a bad effect. Christ allowed them to torture him, but not his mother nor God. He took a hunter in his hand when people were selling in the market. So, he has a double side also and in you also there is Kalki. And you, I have awakened Kalki in you. So, you are also Kalki but you must reach a certain maturity, then only you can do it. Sometimes it is very important, but the way you do it, with what dignity you do it is very important. But one has to learn that also, you have to learn how to say it with sternness and with strength that you shut up now. You are not to say a word, and only saying this will make all the negativities run away. At a point one has to say, that’s what I feel that when you grow in this atmosphere here, let you find yourself which is also very very strong as well as forgiving. You know that your mother’s nature is Atisoumya, Atiroudrya; she lives in two extremes. She can be extremely gentle, and she can be terrific. And these two qualities you should also imbibe, but it should never be directed against your own brothers and sisters, you don’t direct all destructive forces. But against the negativity, because the time has come for us to fight. The time has started now for us to fight these negative forces and for that we all must take up strength within, you see compromising with them all that is not going to help us. So, the strength must be there, a dignity and with all understanding and discretion you have to tell. But I have seen mostly negative people will stand up and say you shut up, you go away. So, the positivity should reach that stage where you are matured and when you just say stand up and shut up, it means something. That’s a part one has to play, one has to accept we are not going to run away from our parts and some time, as I said, you have to take swords in your hand. So, this is a very courageous role full of valor. It does not mean that we are cowards, or we are weak people. We are very strong, extremely powerful people and you have tremendous power. But you have the greatest power is that of forgiveness, but behind that forgiveness, there is no weakness. What is the forgiveness of a weak person, he has to forgive in any case? But the strength of a Sahaja yogi can forgive. So, if somebody says something against the divinity itself, you have to stand up in a way, in a dignified way. And use your discretion and if necessary, you have to tell them that you are in for trouble. This much I can say. Because this is also an important part where step by step as you are growing you will be amazed that as you are flowers, you are also the thorns that have to protect the flower within. We have both roles and we are not to avoid anything that is within us, that is our part but the only thing is the channelizing, this is very important and this subtle point we must understand. Mr. Chavan is a very very competent man and he knows how to handle situations and things but him also and to everyone, I am telling, if you find anybody any sahaja yogi who is deviating from the path of Sahaja yoga, you have to tell him, straight on the face that this is wrong. This you should not do, and you should support a man who says that, is important. Because all of us must join hands together to find out the weaknesses that we have and how to get rid of them, is very important. Because unless and until we take a strong attitude towards ourselves and towards our whole collectivity, you don’t know there is such a tremendous force collected against divinity that we may give in. So, let us build up ourselves also with courage and with the full idea of our powers of divinity that we have within ourselves. May God bless you, it’s a very good point that came up, I am very happy. Mr. Chavan is a very good leader, a nice man and compromising and a very powerful person. He comes from a community which is known for its valor and so he is so strong because, he has built up himself like that and such a person will have patience and everything he can have, but to a point, to a point. Then you have to come out and tell off people, Thank you! (Shri Mataji explaining the same in Marathi) Sahaja yogi_3 (Mr. Modi): ( In Marathi) Shri Mataji: This is a primordial question. He is asking why it is crossed here, see at the Agnya chakra, why it is crossed? What is the need to cross it at this point? You could have had it straight you see, so there is no problem of crossing. So, I said that this I have done so I better answer because nobody will be able to answer this question. ( Marathi: First I will tell in English) See the Agnya chakra is placed in charge of both the things is one is for Mana (Super Ego) and also for Ego. Now, how do you control these two things? They are to be placed at one point, how do you get a point out of two things, unless and until you cross them. It is simple mathematics; you have to cross them at a point where you fix up one center. And this one center should be able to control both the things, now you might say why not have two centers? Because see, they are so interdependent. If you raise ego your superego goes down. If you raise your superego, the ego goes down. So, they are so interconnected that it has to be one point by which you can control both of them and put them in the balance. Now, another problem is that if it is crossed, you see we are not stopped by that. The basic problem is that how to control both these things, and that’s why it is placed here but you must know that this crossing doesn’t stop your movement of the kundalini. Because kundalini rises in the center not on the sides. When these two are crossing, the center in between here is inside the thing. Say for example, there is a crossing between the two bores (unclear) and both the bores(unclear) become open like this, like this, so it can always open, no problem. But the communication is there, but this opens out, but why this is closed is the point. It is closed because of the extremes of one another. This is closed because this one is more or this one is more. Now, if you can somehow reduce the pressure and bring them into a balanced way then this opens out. Now, how do you do it, very simple, that supposing your ego is more, what do you do? Left side to right side, right you do 7 times. And now see for yourself raising your kundalini if Agnya opens or not? Supposing your superego is more, you can feel it. Then you raise your right to your left down, right? now you balance it and so that the aperture opens out. When it is in balance, it opens out automatically. That’s why it is crossed, otherwise you cannot control it. (Shri Mataji explaining in Marathi) This is opened like this. When it is in balance it opens like this. When it is in imbalance it goes like this or like that. Both the time it closes down. So only by closing it down, you will know, which side it is, otherwise you would not know. There are so many ways by which you can open it also, you know that. If it is the superego, you know which mantras to be said. If it is ego you know what to say? How to raise it? How to get rid of your ego? How to get rid of your superego.( In Marathi) Yes. Come here, come here Sahaja_yogi4: My question is when we are just beginning to be in sahaja yoga and we are just beginning to cleansing ourselves, I am very, I don’t really know How I have to behave myself Shri Mataji: Behave Sahaja yogi_4: to behave myself, means How I have to act when I don’t know, So for example When I am, do I have to work on people already and for this problem, I can feel that I can catch really easily negativity from people, even I do Bandhan and all the advice. And that’s all. Sahaja yogi_2: Whom you want to ask this question? Sahaja yogi_4: Warren. ( Shri Mataji explaining the question in Marathi) Sahaja yogi_5 (Mr. Warren): If I follow the question correctly, he is wanting to know how we deal with a person when we are giving awakening and self-realization, particularly as it relates to problems of we younger sahaja yogis who are prone to catch, prone to maybe get a little caught up from these problems. Am I correct Mother, is this the question? Shri Mataji: Yes, it is. Sahaja yogi_5(Mr. Warren): So, what we have found in Australia and I can only speak from my own experience is that first, we pray to the Mother that we will have the strength to be the transmitter of these divine vibrations and the way we do this is as you know to first of all put bandhan around ourself, to protect ourself and bandhan around the other person. This is simple we know this. And then of course to put our attention on Sahasrara. So that our Chitta is correct and then ask of the unconscious where that person is catching by using the very simple device which mother has given us of asking and then our own kundalini comes to that chakra within our own being and then we put a bandhan to that chakra and in so doing we are putting our self in collectivity. And by collectivity we are able to remove the blockage or the badha or whatever the problem is. But of course this depends upon how strong the kundalini is in the person who is giving, how strong the kundialini is in the person who is working on that person, it depends upon how much the antaryoga is working, how much the inner yoga is working within that person, how strong the desire from Mooladhara is working, how much it is reflected on Sahasrara, How far are we growing as sahaja yogis? And so we will find that every case is different, but one thing is for sure that as you grow, as you surrender to the Mother, as your attention seats itself on Sahastrar, One thing is absolutely certain that you will catch less and less and less as the time goes by and your confidence will grow. And as your confidence grows, the seat of the spirit at Sahastarar will become more permanent. The Ganesha shakti will grow, Kundalini will rise with greater force, the tendency to catch will diminish and all of these things which we all have experienced. Every one of us has experienced these very things that you speak of Alexander, it is a real problem. But it is a problem which is able to be solved and it is solved by the grace of our Mother, who as time goes by, as she nurtures her children and as we grow in knowledge, and joy and love. So, to all of these things just happen, they just happen in a Sahaj way. So, a little patience, a little time and you will find that the confidences displayed by Dhumal, Chavan. Just put your attention on other person and it just happens, that’s all they do. We have to do a little more but with time it does grow. So be patient, learn the little tricks that mother has taught us, do the things that we know we should do and very soon if you keep your attention here and you surrender to the mother, it all works out. This is what we keep saying to people in Australia, it will all work out but it is rather remarkable in every case this place became almost one with which was Heckley. But in an incredible way it has worked out. Thank you! Shri Mataji: (First I will say in English and then will say in Marathi…(In marathi).) It’s a very simple thing which is sort of still people are not knowing one thing for definite that you do not catch from anyone when you give realization to anyone. It’s a myth. It’s just a myth. You feel you are catching from another person, actually it is you who is the one who is showing the catches. It is you who has the weaknesses. You will never catch from anybody else because it is given in purity. You know even the name of your mother means immaculate and it’s an immaculate awakening you give to the other person. The difference is that because a western mind thinks about it too much, that’s why they catch. You just go on giving realization, just you will never catch, you cannot catch that’s my guarantee to you. But you catch only because when you are giving realization you are thinking about it. You do not do it in thoughtless awareness. You should do it in thoughtless awareness. This is not your brother, this is not your sister, this is no one, you are not interested. When you get interested in a person like she is your sister, he is brother, he must get it, must happen to your mother, must happen to your father, you are interested in people. Must happen to this one or that one, finished. Because they are part and parcel of you and their weaknesses show in you. But if you are not interested and involved into a person, you will never catch. No question. It’s so beautiful you just raise your hands. But because you think about it all the time. See take a question of Mr. X, who is thinking he has problems. You have no problems at all, it’s a myth, it’s a myth. All your problems are nothing but myths, do you know that? These are all myths and you have to go beyond it. This is what kundalini is doing is taking you out of all your myths. You have no problems. It’s just that sometimes the superego has come up, sometimes ego has come up. Push that down, finished. You are beyond. You have gone beyond it. Now when you catch, you see you are thinking oh you have this problem, this has happened to you. This is your past problem, future problems. This problem or that problem. You have no problems. First of all, know within yourself you have no problems. Now you have become lights, you have to solve the problem of others. You have no problems at all. Now raising the kundalini, nobody should catch. There is no need to give even bandhan I would say. But, supposing you think you have to give bandhan, don’t show your weaknesses, see somebody is sitting before you, you show him weaknesses. There is nothing to be afraid of, the fear, the little bit of fear within you will catch. It is lacking (unclear) within you which catches. Just go ahead with it, but it doesn’t also mean that you have with your ego. Some people have an ego, oh how can I not give him realization? That also is an attachment. Alright, we tried, it doesn’t work out get out, finished. This is the other side of it, you see I must give realization to my mother, I must give realization to my father. First attachment is like that, why? Who are they to you? Who are your brothers and sisters? Just forget it. You are people who are seekers. You are a category, they are not that category, if they were, they would have come to you. Go and seek outside on the streets, go and find out the seekers. I don’t give it to my children, I don’t give it to anyone, you know that. I am not interested. Alright, I have relationships, finished. But I am not bothered as far as their realization is concerned. Those who deserve, those who are of the category you give them realization. But you will catch hold of a person who is a very dear and near according to you, then you give realization to them and that dear and near comes back like a Scorpion and it catches you. Then you say I am caught up. No, you don’t give realization to anybody who is known to you, finished. Interested in your child, in your wife, in your mother, in your brother, they are not seekers. They have nothing to do with you. Just forget them. Give realization to seekers, and not to people who are not seekers. Then you will not have any problems. Then ego problem comes up when the seekers who are not seekers you try to give them realization, you will say oh God, the kundalini doesn’t rise. Oh, drop, drop their back, do this, beat them, raise it, then you catch. It is ego, you are catching on your ego and when you get frightened of somebody, you see a person whom you give realization, suddenly you find that person shaking too much and then say let it be, I have nothing to do with you. I cannot give you realization, finished. You better sit before mother’s photograph; you see if you can get realization from her. There are people I have seen they said we will not take mother’s photograph, but you give us realization. You should say, if you don’t want to take mother’s photograph, we have nothing to do with you. Who are you? We don’t know you. You work on mother’s photograph first of all, let them develop that dedication for your mother. Why should you give them realization? How am I related to them? How am I obliged to them? I am obliged to you not to them. So do not force things on people, just give realization to people who are seekers, who are seeking, who have respect for your mother. You see you will never catch. Because if you are forcing, you are forcing because of your ego. If you are running away it is because of your superego and you catch on these two things. But you are just doing it because you are light, just throwing light, who can catch? Can this light catch any darkness because it is there, because there is darkness around, will it? When this little light cannot do it, then how can you the ones who are given the Ganesha power by your mother, how can you catch? You are Ganeshas, do you know that? You are very powerful. The only thing is, you shouldn’t have weaknesses for others. It is only your weakness that catches, never the weakness of another person. Nobody can catch you. I have not made mo(unclear) here, just dainty darlings, No. you raise your hands and you will see that they. But don’t run after useless people, 3rd raters, there are, there must be many people who are real seekers, work out with them, alright? Sahaja yogi speaking (not audible) Shri Mataji: What, you catch between sahaja yogis also? What did you say? Sahaja yogi: No, No. (not audible) Shri Mataji: But one thing, you have no problem. You see if any sahaja yogi comes with his problem to you, you tell him you have no problem. Just tell them, you see this is a style which western people have. They all have problems for nothing at all. Lame is rabla (not sure) This is all due to thinking. You have no problems. What problems do you have? You have to solve the problem of the whole world, still you are sitting with your problems? You are the swimmers. The swimmers don’t have problems, you have to save people who are getting drowned. Now the swimmers are saying we have problems, how to save? It’s a question like that? You have no problems; you have no problems. Just forget it, you are put above problems, beyond. Believe me, believe me, believe me. Alright, alright. Keep to that alright. Sahaja yogi: not audible. Shri Mataji: If he wants you, if he wants you to help him. You should. Actually, most of the sahaja yogis suffer from over vibrations. Yes, you see always if a sahaja yogi says this is paining, you just catch hold of his hand and put it down like that and he will be alright, just like that. They all suffer from over vibrations, because you don’t give it to others. Give it, please give it to everyone. I don’t know, you suffer from that. Any pain you have anywhere, you ask somebody to put your hand there and take it out, finished. You, most of you suffer from over vibrations. I haven’t seen anybody suffering from less vibrations. I have yet to come across one. You have so much vibrations that you are not aware of it. One of you can give realization to 10,000 people. Even in Paris. Alright? Alright, so now stand up for that and do it, do it. You have to do it. ( In Marathi) this is the answer. Alright, Warren, correct? You never catch. It is only you think, you never catch. You take it from me. You have given realization to so many people. Where are the catches? you are so much better. And if you don’t get vibrations, then you will catch. Because you will have vibrations attacked here, attacked here and you will say Oh God I cannot do it. You don’t try to give vibrations to people who are negative people. Just don’t bother your head, you are not to do it. See because you insist, so your ego catches, and you think you are caught up. No, it is your ego, you know this thoroughly this is a useless person, why waste your energy? Alright? You must be having some sensible people around, isn’t it? Shri Mataji explaining in Marathi. Sahaja yogi: Mr. Phaldankar has raised a question that people who do black magic or some sort of thing like that, what is the remedy in Sahaja yoga for that? And Mr. Dhumal will reply that question in Marathi and afterwards professor Chavan will say in English. Mr. Dhumal: Answering in Marathi. Mr. Chavan: (Translating the answer in English) Now When we come across any person or who comes to you to seek help to get relief from effects of black magic, what one should do? That was the question. And the reply furnished was, now as far as possible, you first see there are any person in that family is practicing sahaja yoga. If the person is practicing sahaja yoga then it is alright you may think of extending your help otherwise it is best to keep aloof from such persons. Now when you want to extend help what are we to do? For the persons who practice black magic, they always first try to put bandhanas or try to tie up the deities which are being prayed by that person. So, our first job is to relive that bandhana or that tying on the deity that is being worshipped by the person. Now how to do this? This can be done by our method of integration, so the deity which is being prayed, being worshipped by that person has to be put, the name of the deity has to be put in that mantra and then in the regular fashion we can just integrate that name with that of the divine mother and thus by doing this that particular deity it gets that gets first relieved, then you have to work on the person. So, the other thing is, now the treated person that is this is regarding that. Now we come to the person concerned, if that person is to be given treatment, first is that earthen pot treatment, matka treatment (putting seven lemon and seven green chilies in it), you know the way the treatment is given. So, this is the best treatment. The second treatment is burning chilies (red chilies) along with little salt and mustard seeds. So, these three things put together, they are burnt in that house. Now, you will find, if they are burnt generally you will have coughing in the house. But if the black magic is operating in that house you will find that there is no coughing, you can breathe normally in that house. So, that is the effect of black magic. So, once that chilies and mustard seeds and little salt put together when they are burnt for a while say 3-4 chilies that will suffice. Every day that treatment can be given for 3-4 days or 5 days depending on the intensity. As the intensity decreases you can just stop it. Then the Kumkum, you have to always ask the person to apply the Kumkum on the forehead and on the Sahasrara. Then you can also ask, one thing is very important, the person concerned, you have to ask that person to completely surrender to the mother. This is again one point I forgot and this you have to ask him to do this first. Unless he surrenders completely this won’t happen. This is the most important thing. Because generally people call us or invite us for helping them out of this situation, but when we go they are not prepared to accept this first. And then they simultaneously ask that they should get relieved. Now two things cannot operate at a time. So, first the person concerned should completely surrender and then only you can extend the help. Thank you! Shri Mataji: In addition to this, I mean there are so many others things as you know is to ask the person to beat with the chappals, and things like that, the relations can beat him with chappals or all these things as you know, How to burn the name of the person and all these things that you know about, how to get rid of these horrible negativities of the person which you can all work it out. It's not difficult. But better thing these things are not done by relations but other Sahaja yogis to help them that would be better. So, this all you know. Shri Mataji explaining in Marathi. Sahaja yogi: I would like to ask this question to the members of the panel. It has been my observation during the last 3 years that in the midst of our dear Mataji in Bombay or in Pune or during her programs, we draw hundreds of people towards sahaja yoga in the various halls where programs are held. But after our mother’s departure we are not able to hold on even to the 5th of the gathering. I would like the members to analyze this and to tell me as to what should be done by us whether in Bombay, Pune, Rahuri, Delhi, in Paris or in England anywhere or even in Australia where the mother would be shortly going. And I would also request our dear Mother to give us some wisdom on this occasion and some guidelines also. Sahaja yogi: (In Marathi) Shri Mataji: A question was asked that why is it that when the mother is there we get thousands and thousands of people and when she goes away then there hardly any people coming to the program and very few people stick on and what is the reason? And What should we do about it? Now, Dhumal has told something which also I may repeat but I will tell you something more practical much more practical that will work out. He has said it's true that it is like a farming. You see when the farming, in the farming you have to look after the small little sprouts and then you try to make them grow into trees and you have to really bother about them and find out how they are growing and all that is very important and which is true what he says is true but how you can achieve it? Which is very simple as I will tell you. First of all when we have any program say in the city or in a village, we all people who are sahaja yogis should form really a very strong intricate and a very dedicated group, absolutely and like CID’s you can call, or like very very alert people. And we should sit down, Mataji is working out and your attention should be not to take vibrations or anything but sit around the people and be on the watch out who gets realization and who gets it. You divide the whole group that comes in, in such a way that you get hold of some people, some people, some people here. Like say there are 25 sahaja yogis and say there are 500 people. Now out of 500 at least if not at least 300 will get realization. Now these 25 people should suddenly sort of surround those people who are around and take their addresses everything. (end of audio)

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Public Program, New Delhi (India), 5 February 1981. Today I am going to speak in general, about Sahaja Yoga and Kundalini awakening. 'Sahaja' as you know means SAHA means with and JA – born with you. But perhaps people do not realize what Sahaja actually means. It is spontaneous, but what is spontaneous? Spontaneous is not that, supposing I am going in the car and suddenly I meet somebody. I say spontaneously I met that person. Spontaneous means that happening is a living happening. It has to be a living thing which is spontaneous, it’s a very mysterious word, that cannot be explained and that happens without any understanding about it, which is not possible for a human being to understand. That is Sahaja. Sahaja may mean it’s very simple it’s very easy, it is, it has to be. For example, God has given us these eyes, these wonderful eyes that human beings have got, that not that they can see the colour but can also appreciate it. God has given them a nose, which is so well developed that it can feel the filth. Animals cannot feel it. You have become a human being I have become human being and everybody has become a human being - become - from an amoeba stage spontaneously. Can you explain that? How it has happened? Further we can see everyday we see so many spontaneous things happening. Today you go in the forest, you will see lots of flowers there, in the forest, in the wilderness. And tomorrow you will find lots of fruits produced by these flowers. Who has done it? Effortlessly the nature has done it. It’s a living happening it won’t happen in a dead thing. For example, this hall I have been visiting now, every year is just the same. The size is just the same except that some people have put some other colour or put some appendages that’s all. Dead cannot grow by itself, there is no growth. It is not a spontaneous growth it is a growth of effort, that you have to put in things on top of all dead things to make it look bigger. In all the living things, whatever has been the living work by the living God has been miraculous you cannot explain but we have taken everything for granted. Or else, it doesn’t surprise us that today we see a flower tomorrow a fruit we see a little seed growing into a huge big tree and we are not surprised at it, not at all its being taken for granted. This is the living work. See the system, the whole system of nature is in such a balance, such a balance is maintained, it creates different types of seasons one after the another. The sun moves from one tropic to another, it creates seasons, the trees are laden with leaves and suddenly the trees are left without them. All the leaves fall off automatically because the sun is going on the other tropic but the leaves have to fall down on the ground. Why? Because the nutrition of nitrogen has to go to the mother earth to be re-sucked by the tree. All this circle has been built up you see in the universe, how things are happening, we never even bother to see, we all have been taking full advantage of God’s love for us out of His spontaneity. He has created us and also He has created us in such a way that we can enjoy His spontaneous love all around us but we try to see God, try to see God in dead things. If somebody has a big house people think God has blessed him, if somebody gets a big position they think God has blessed him but we never realize that these things which are not spontaneous which are through effort have been achieved are of no consequence as far as the joy is concerned. You give some money to a person, who is not used to money, immediately you will find he will go to the race course or he will start drinking, he can’t bear it. When the riches grow too much you see what happens. Affluence crates such a problem you have known that now you are very aware of it, how affluence has ruined the spontaneity of western people, how their society has become malignant, how they are unhappy there is no love. This spontaneity within us is worked through the living force that is within us and not through the dead. Whatever dies within us, is pushed aside. Sahaja Yoga is the culmination of that living work by which you have become a human being and now the time has come for you to become a self realized personality, the time has come. Many people asked me today in the press conference, “what is Your purpose, what is Your mission?” It’s most surprising as they asked all the political leaders they were asking Me . The time has come, the time has come for you to get your self-realization. You are ready for it now. This is the time when the chaos is at its maximum level. , where people understand that these pursuits of wealth, of power, and other emotional possessions are of no value, where the pressures and tensions are so great that man is seeking. In every country I find thousands and thousands and thousands of people seeking, even in our country there are people who are seekers. That’s a category now developed, it’s a category, like a flower is a category on the trees, different from other parts of the tree, in the same way a seeker is a category which is different from the other parts of the world. He is not satisfied with what he has and he has started seeing through that there must be something beyond. This is not the end of it, only such people are welcome in Sahaja Yoga, those who are not seekers cannot be forced into it, it’s a spontaneous thing. Now this has been promised in various scriptures, that this has to happen, as old as nalapurana – I don’t know if you have read it or not because these modern people don’t read all these puranas you see, we think it’s all too ancient for us to read, it was said that when kaliyuga will be at its worst, harass (not clear )[unclear] the human beings at that time those people who are seeking god today in the hills and dales will be born again and they will get their self-realization. You will be amazed that in England which we don’t think in any way spiritually rich country, Indians at least don’t think so, at least they feel that they are very spiritually rich. I wonder if they are really, but if they are I am not surprised at it because you have such a great heritage, if you have not forgotten it, you are the best to get your realization, you are the best suited for that, you have that sukrut (Sanskrit word for good deeds) behind you, you have that big right to get it. How far Indians are seekers, that’s what one has to see (some Marathi in middle). Now the problem is, (let it be – not referred in talk) when you are a seeker when you are seeking God which is the way to do it, how to do it, because your parents told you that you are Muslim or a Christian or a Parsee or Sikh or something you just become that but by doing any of the rituals or any one of the things that your parents have told, you still feel that there is something more that has to happen and what is that, which is the missing point, that we have to know within ourselves. Today I am happy we heard such a great song, by such a great poet, Kabir and that as he has said it and as everybody has said it, Christ has said it, Mohommad Sahab has said it, all of them has have said it, that it is inside you is the lord, is the Rama, is the Shiva, is the paigambara or is the what they call the Allah, then seek it. Now, we start singing the songs, we better seek and you better seek and we must seek. By singing the song are you going to seek? Now how do you seek then, Mother? They ask Me, “How are we to seek God?” Is there a way and method, how did you become human beings? Effortlessly without any effort! Only thing was that you exposed yourself to nature and nature created you, you call it nature or God it’s just the same, in the same way it is the job of God almighty who has created you, to give you your meaning. If I make an instrument like this, it is My job to tell the person, what to do with it, how to put it to the mains and how it is to be used, in the same way it is the job of God almighty to do it and He knows how to do it. So, one may say, what should we do about it? What is the way to achieve that? Again, we are on the effort, actually, what we have to do is to be in the center. You must lead a moderate life, you should not go to extremes, if you go to extremes too much, then you are taking your attention away from the spirit. You have to keep in the center, you have to lead a very normal life. As Kabira has very clearly said that I do not go anywhere. He was a married man, he keeps in the center, don’t have to use any extreme or exterior things, to express your spirituality, it is within yourself that you will find it, keep to the center. It is absolutely practical, it’s common sense, Think of a car which is not having its center of gravity at its center but is moving at a tilt, think of a boat that is tilted, anything that is tilted too much gives an imbalance, so to keep a balanced life, to keep a moderate life in the center, be very, very normal, that’s what everyone has said, because that’s what it is. By keeping in the center only we have achieved our evolution. Always if you see the tree you will find the sap of the tree rises in the center, all living work takes place in the center, even your social and economic activities takes place in the center, even as we call it Delhi as the central government. So you have to keep to the center of your behaviour, of your living, of your styles, of your thinking, do not go to extremes, this is the first thing they have told us. Today they asked me a question that Mother you have cured so many cancer patients, I have no doubt and cancer can be easily cured so many diseases can be cured by Kundalini awakening but how do you get cancer is the question they asked Me, I said, by going to extremes by going to extremes only you develop all the problems. Even in your religious duties you go to extremes, when you go to extremes you go away from the center path, that’s how you get caught up on the left or the right-hand side which is shown here, I don’t know if you can see it, which is very important to see. Sahaja Yoga has been described by all the saints especially after Adi Shankaracharya. Has very clearly talked about it. Before that it was kept as a very sacred and a secret science because there were very few people who could be given realization but today it is not that I am talking to only Arjuna or to a few people here and there to selected but it is open invitation to all the people to open their eyes to this subtler knowledge, to this the real power of yourself that is with in you. Now when we have become human beings, we have gone through various stages. All these stages are built within us at centers. These various centers lie within us within our spinal cord, one out of the spinal cord and two of them in the brain. These centers are there, who are the milestones of our evolution. When we were just a carbon atom, we were at the first center, Carbon. I wonder how many people who know chemistry, know the beauty of Carbon. Carbon is made by mother earth and that is very important because it has a balance. Carbon has four valences plus and minus both. I know if you know chemistry you will know about carbon very well so it can give four or take four, it’s such a balanced thing just in the center of the periodic table this carbon. Without the carbon life could not come on this earth, so carbon was to be created first and when we were carbon, we were innocent, complete innocent people. Innocence is the first thing that was created on this earth, and this innocence is represented within us at a material level or a matter level as carbon in the first center about which I will tell you tomorrow. What more things this center has and which is a very important center. Luckily in our country this center is very, very strong basically we are innocent people. Is a fact, you might think that Mother is trying to pamper our ego, we are innocent, but we have taken to ways of other people who came here and we thought that material development is the only way our country can improve and then we took to so many ways and methods by which our innocence is lost or is at least at stake. This innocence is within us. That’s the beginning of our evolution, now while evolving gradually, we have got so many qualities within us, also we have something very special compared to other animals, and that thing is the ego. First of all, if you see the left side, from the right to the left side, is the power within us which you can call as the power of desire, by which we desire, ichha shakti. You may desire anything, we desire so many things but we have to put in concrete action to achieve the results, so the other power we have on the left-hand side going to the right-hand side is the power of action. The left-hand side channel, which carries the power of desire is called as ida nadi and the right-hand side one which you see which actually starts from the left goes to the right is called as the pingla nadi. The first one is called as the chandra nadi the second one as surya nadi. The first one creates your mana, Sanskrit it’s better to say manas you understand what mana is and the second one crates Ahankara. So the second one which is the ahankara which has come to us through our efforts, through our kriya, is like a balloon on our heads and that is the problem of today, the human beings have to face, of which they are not aware. The first power of mana is very simple. You desire something, you go on desiring and panning for it, desiring and panning for it, thus, you harm yourself, you start harming yourself and when you start desiring when you start using this power of desire. When you desire too much, you become affected by it. When you get affected you get all kinds of problems like depression and other mental problems I mean, people can become mad and all the psychological problems, which is described by Freud the great. Now Freud being a scientist I would say a human being, he was a blind man, so he found something he said this is the thing, is the truth, that a person who suffered from any mental trouble is suffering because of his conditioning is a fact, but he only dealt with mad people, he never dealt with normal people. If you meet mad people that doesn’t mean, that all the rest of the world is mad. The mad people are mad because of too much of conditioning is agreed, but for that another extreme could be that you should have no conditioning at all you go ahead with whatever you like. Thank God in India he never settled down. Many people tried to settle down here they did not somehow this country has a method by which it throws away all the nonsensical things, so Freud was not so much accepted except for some so called pseudo intellectuals who call themselves westernized. But in the West, they are so naive they accepted him, they accepted Freud out and out. So the question is what’s wrong? Supposing you do this, what’s wrong? This is the question they will ask “what’s wrong in this? What’s wrong in that?” In doing anything what’s wrong? They cannot even understand what’s wrong if there is bad relationship between brother and sister. Can you imagine? Indian persons can understand it, when you tell to an Indian man he will just laugh at this, its stupidity, so what has happened when they say “what’s wrong in it, and what’s wrong in it” they started developing their right side, their ego side, so if you neglect your conditioning or if you try that there should be no conditioning at all, people can become extremely ego oriented and all the West is drowned into it. They are so ego oriented that you cannot talk to him them, they really bark, they do not talk. Only when it is the matter of money, they talk softly otherwise they just bark. They are so ego oriented you can’t imagine and you will be amazed we think that they are very united and that they are No they fight all the time. Husband will fight with the wife, wife will fight with the children, children will fight with the parents, parents will fight with the parents, it’s all going on, they are all the time fighting, quarrelling and arguing. You see any picture or drama that they make these days they only quarrel between husband and wives, you get fed up. The whole system work how to fight each other, no wonder they start wars also. So, this ego orientation has gone to another extreme now, we had to develop our ego to a point when it came up to this point where the Kundalini can be easily pierced through, because first the superego was too much, so the ego developed and they have to meet in the center like this. If you keep a moderate life, then you develop your ego properly and a superego you are in the center and traditionally thank God Indians are better off, that’s why I say they are innocent, but, there are people in India I have seen who are in charge of affairs who are supposed to be very educated and learned and professors and this and that they say the same thing “what’s wrong”? Now, in India, we know what is susanskara is, susanskara there is a word like su which I don’t know even in English language if it is but su – is good, we must have good sanskaras we must have discipline of our mind. The concept of Indian life is chitter-nirodh- you must control your attention, shouldn’t allow your attention to pass out, shouldn’t allow your attention to spill out, from childhood we ask our children [unclear] Where is your attention? Where is your attention? Where are you lost? Then Indian personality knows that your attention is not to be fettered. For example, in India nobody will boast of something wrong as like a theft, will anybody boast of that? But I have seen with my own eyes you won’t believe, that in Paris there was a relay of a man who did a burglary in a big bank, see he burgled the whole bank and this fellow was on the TV and he was trying to show off as if he is a big hero, he was saying “yes I went there like this and I did like that” and he was explaining all this to the magistrate and while talking to the magistrate you saw it happening also with your own eyes because the TV was on him that he said how did you go to the window he just went to the window and jumped out and disappeared. Now I was surprised that he is made a hero there, people wear, the children wear his photograph as a hero, can you imagine we wearing somebody’s thing as a hero who is a thug well known, who has taken away the money of the people who have put it there, the hard earned money of the people that’s what’s happening there. Now we are also trying to develop ourselves, develop, we are getting sophisticated you see, so we may take to their ways may one day land up in the same situation where they do not recognize or realize, where have they gone, where have they reached. At that time, I would say, that you must see that you must have your susanskaras and the susanskaras come to you by listening to people like Kabira and Nanaka, listening to people like Tukarama and Gyaneshwara but not extreme people who teach something of extreme. They were all married people; they all have led a very simple life. Gyaneshwara was not married he died very young and we have got the greatest thing is Adi Shankaracharaya, who has said it, that you reach a certain stage where you do not need anything but the grace of Mother, the grace is of Mother is only possible if you are a moderate person, if you are an extremist, you are away from Her and that’s how it does not work out. Christ has said that a rich man cannot enter into the kingdom of God because he is an extremist. He said a camel can pass through the eye of a needle but a rich man cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Why He said so? Because they are extremes, they will go to wrong type of people, where they can purchase a guru, then they can show off their money or they can use the guru as the lesion officer or some sort of a thing like that gives them ego orientation. Among them there will be some, few, of course who will realize the futility of money and will come to God and I feel now the modern generation in the West is that type, are the saints born there, these are the saints born in that country who are seeking God but we have exported all our thugs from here and also we are trying to enjoy the money that they lavish on our gurus, because we think we are earning foreign exchange but this is the kamai of Adharma and unless and until we check this our country can never progress we are not to be soft on this point, this is the thugai of other nations. They did it to us doesn’t matter but we shouldn’t do it if the whole world tries to cheat us doesn’t matter we should not cheat and we know for definite that this is cheating still we are soft on this point because we think that’s how we can earn foreign exchange, you don’t know with such a kamai what can happen to our country. Now in Sahaja Yoga which is described by all the great saints, today the time has come for it to become a Mahayogi. It has to has to become a Mahayoga, Gyaneshwara has described it, that a day will come that Sahaja will become Maha, means you will have a mass realization, a mass thousands will get realization which I have seen happening in the villages, in a kadus village, there is a place called kadus near satara, where people gathered, they were about six thousand, above six thousand and there were newspaper people also and all of them got self realization most surprisingly, all of them got their realization, its most surprising it is going to happen in thousands especially in the villages because city people are westernized, difficult people. They think no end of themselves too much of ego, when I came here, I found, the whole of Delhi is suffering from ego, tremendous ego the Agnya chakra. I had to ask people to take out their vibrations to put that down. I don’t know from where this kind of a myth is working, but we have to face ourselves as we are. We have to get ourselves corrected through Kundalini awakening. Now this Sahaja Yoga is a spontaneous growth is a living growth, the Kundalini raises by itself and pierces the Brahmarandra, as described by all these people, shunya shikhar par anhad baji re , it’s all described, I mean I don’t have to tell you because you do not read these things you see you just sing this is what they have said I am doing today, I am doing the job of Kabira, Nanaka, of Gyaneshwara, all the nathapanthis who have preached that you have to get your realization of Christ, of Mohammad of all these people put together, of Buddha, of Mahavira of all these people this work has to be finished today. This is the time that has come, most surprising that in a place like England which I say you don’t consider to be very spiritual about hundred years back a great poet was born I must say he was very great because he was such a prophet and he has said that this Mahayoga time is going to come, the most remarkable thing is that he has mentioned the place where I will was staying. What’s the matter with you sir why don’t you sit down disturbing everybody else please sit down you shouldn’t do like, this you see you cannot come to this place and disturb is a question of your Kundalini I am trying to raise the Kundalini of the people and suddenly you shoot off there is no need to do it you see it’s a very delicate work it’s the Brahma Shakti and I have to take it through the brahaman nadi when I am talking it’s not talking I am raising your Kundalini and please don’t disturb if you have to go you should go before it is not a cinema it’s not a show, it is a living work, so please help Me don’t disturb each other please it’s a very serious thing and one has to understand ones own value that I am here to give you what is the most precious thing within you is your spirit, so please do not just walk off or because you are not entertained or something try to put your attention it’s not such a difficult subject I am telling you, but try to understand that this is a very important time if you have come here, it’s a great chance you better get your realization. As a mother I have to tell you that this is the thing you have been seeking. I was talking about William Blake hundred years back he has written about this Mahayoga he said that the men of God, the seekers, I am saying it’s a category seekers will become prophets they’ll get realization but these prophets, these prophets will have a special quality in them and what is the quality, that they will be transforming others into prophet state There will be many prophets which will be created on this earth. But most surprising is that he has written it in such details that he has even mentioned the place where I lived. He said that the first peak that will be lit will be Surrey Hills where I lived first and about the ashram that we are having that Lambeth vale is the place where foundations will be laid in the ruins we bought a place which was all ruins to that extent he has said and he has said that London will be a Jerusalem, England will be a Jerusalem means [unclear] a kshetra means a pilgrimage. Imagine in hundred years back an Englishman has written about it, that means it’s something is going to work out in that country, no doubt, but what about this great country of ours, which is a yoga bhoomi you are born in a yoga bhoomi do you know that you have a responsibility towards God where are you? Wasting your attention? The whole world is looking at you for guidance you are not interested, you are not bothered. Now people might say Mother if it is a yoga bhoomi why it’s a poor country it is better that it is poor than to be rich like these stupid people, abroad. Krishna has said that yoga kshema vahamyaam first have the yoga and then the kshema. He didn’t say kshema yoga. He said yoga kshema first you must get yoga, you first get your realization then the kshema that is the way it looks nice, it glorifies you, in Hindi we can say rajta hai, otherwise it’s odd, it’s funny, you look as if two horns have come out of you, you elect somebody as a member of parliament immediately you know he must be something the way is nose is the way he walks the way he talks brushing everyone. Make him a minister, had it never see his face again The cursed man would go there it is like that a very good man can be ruined with power, a very good man can be ruined with money, you have seen people who get money suddenly they forget their parents, they forget their country, they forget about everything. All kinds of horrible things done in the name of money. Bribery, corruption everything is done because we are not realized souls, if you are realized souls you will not just do it at any cost, all your efforts to improve honesty of this country is not possible unless and until you get your self realization through Kundalini awakening by which your transformation takes place and person develops his own personality then he has no such temptations and his whole being changes and he becomes samarth sa ma artha. He becomes the meaning of what he is, he is, is no more misidentified with anything, he is not bothered and then the Laxmi tattwa is also enlightened and his material problems also gets solved an extent not too much again you do not become a lakhopati because that’s foolishness and [unclear]. But you become so well off that you are absolutely satisfied with yourself with your material being and you do not ask for anything. The whole thing changes completely when you are sitting before me you are asking then you are change your form you are here, you are giving like the light when it is enlightened what does it do, it just gives light. Till it is enlightened it is the seeking once it gets the light it gives the light. Like all the great saints have done it, the only difference is that the saints were born at such a great height but whenever they talked nobody listened nobody recognized them everyone tortured them when they died. We have big big, organizations, big big religious cults and religious things and big big churches and temples and all things that we have built in their names when they died when they lived nobody bothered, nobody. So, today the time has come for you to get this absolute within you, by which you will recognize the real and the unreal. Not only that, but your powers of your Spirit will manifest by which you can do wonders and wonders about which I will tell you later on, in other programs which you are going to have. I hope you will continue to come and bring more people for it. Every time I try to raise your Kundalini and try to establish. But after Realization, when the germination has taken place, when the seed has sprouted, you have to be careful at least for seven days, you have to be really careful about it so that you do not get into your mess again. And after that, if you are - you follow it properly, there is an education you need for it. The effort, you may not need it before, afterwards you have to little bit educate about yourself to understand what do the chakras mean, where they go what are the points, where they catch, what diseases are caused by this, by what problems are caused by this, how to get rid of them. All this knowledge you should have.Now we have, you see here, we have lots of beautiful people from Australia, England and from France and other places. They all have got their Realization and they have established it.Many people have got Realization. Last time also, we had people who got Realization. I meet some of them on the street they say, “Mother, we are all right but the vibrations are lost”. We do not have the values its ‘amulya’ it is invaluable! That is one thing you must know you cannot pay for God. It’s an insult, can you pay for your mother’s love? It’s an insult. All those who have erected huge building places taking money for God. All right. If you want to build a house you can build it call it ashram call it anything it’s a dead stuff, but you cannot pay for your Realization. You cannot pay for your Realization that is one thing which is definite. Now what all the things happened to you, I will tell you. From tomorrow onwards and I am here for some time please little bit, try to have your self-esteem. You are not ordinary people who were born in this country and that you have to achieve your depth. If you- when you go deep into it suddenly you will find that within you lies the great power of your 'punyas' that you have achieved in last lives. You have to just go up to that point. First, Self-realization and then your own depth you have. Seek once you get into it, you just get it you are there and you start manifesting it. You will become the guru yourself. You will know everything by yourself. This is the promise of this Maha Yoga. I hope Delhi people will understand it and all will be able to achieve their Self-realization in this visit of mine, it is very important. Time is very important, it is very short, I think, and people have to realize it: this is the Last Judgment that is being promised. Only through Kundalini you are going to be judged otherwise there is no way out. This is the Last Judgment and don’t miss it, the time is running short. I am telling all the people that, "Please be careful, bring all your friends tell all your people, get it for yourself and be established. And enjoy the beauty of the Spirit and enter into the kingdom of God, who is your very, very loving Father, who wants to give you this". May God bless you. The Kundalini will rise by itself, don’t believe in people who say that it cannot be done, of course it cannot be done it’s a very difficult accepted, but maybe I know the job very well or I have the authority perhaps my be and tomorrow you will have the authority to raise the Kundalini you all will have the same. "Haan aa raha hai naa ab aap jaa rahe thee haan", put your hands like this, Don’t disturb others alright, please put just your hands now I would say that on collective being I find that your right side is over, over active so you have to put it down first of all before doing anything else please put your left hands towards Me, left is frozen but right is, put left-hand towards Me like this, left only. Now you take from the left raise your right-hand like this put it up on the head and put it this side throw it out again do it twice throw it away again do it thrice and throw it away four times and throw it away five times six time and seventh time … theek hai [Ok] Now put your hands towards Me. It’s much better. [Part translated from hindi:] In this there is no questions and there is no answer. It happens when it has to happen, and it does not happen when it does not have to happen. There is no discussions about it. It is something which belongs to PARAMATMA. When it has to happen it will happen to whom it should happen and it happened today for the persons who were deserving. The people to whom it happened must understand that one should ask PARAMATMA for it. In this you cannot fight. There is no fighting of any kind. By discussing you will not get it. This way you are only wasting the time, and there is no meaning in wasting the time. Above all people, here don’t know anything about Kundalini, and that’s the big problem, because for you we have to start from the beginning. Like in Maharashtra, everybody knows where is the Kundalini! What is the chakra? etc. They know who is Dattatreya! But here people don’t know anything. It is very difficult job. So first you get your realisation, then I will explain. Like that in the room when you entered you were in the dark, so first put on the light, after we will discuss. Is it ok?

Public Program, New Delhi (India), 5 February 1981. Today I am going to speak in general, about Sahaja Yoga and Kundalini awakening. 'Sahaja' as you know means SAHA means with and JA – born with you. But perhaps people do not realize what Sahaja actually means. It is spontaneous, but what is spontaneous? Spontaneous is not that, supposing I am going in the car and suddenly I meet somebody. I say spontaneously I met that person. Spontaneous means that happening is a living happening. It has to be a living thing which is spontaneous, it’s a very mysterious word, that cannot be explained and that happens without any understanding about it, which is not possible for a human being to understand. That is Sahaja. Sahaja may mean it’s very simple it’s very easy, it is, it has to be. For example, God has given us these eyes, these wonderful eyes that human beings have got, that not that they can see the colour but can also appreciate it. God has given them a nose, which is so well developed that it can feel the filth. Animals cannot feel it. You have become a human being I have become human being and everybody has become a human being - become - from an amoeba stage spontaneously. Can you explain that? How it has happened? Further we can see everyday we see so many spontaneous things happening. Today you go in the forest, you will see lots of flowers there, in the forest, in the wilderness. And tomorrow you will find lots of fruits produced by these flowers. Who has done it? Effortlessly the nature has done it. It’s a living happening it won’t happen in a dead thing. For example, this hall I have been visiting now, every year is just the same. The size is just the same except that some people have put some other colour or put some appendages that’s all. Dead cannot grow by itself, there is no growth. It is not a spontaneous growth it is a growth of effort, that you have to put in things on top of all dead things to make it look bigger. In all the living things, whatever has been the living work by the living God has been miraculous you cannot explain but we have taken everything for granted. Or else, it doesn’t surprise us that today we see a flower tomorrow a fruit we see a little seed growing into a huge big tree and we are not surprised at it, not at all its being taken for granted. This is the living work. See the system, the whole system of nature is in such a balance, such a balance is maintained, it creates different types of seasons one after the another. The sun moves from one tropic to another, it creates seasons, the trees are laden with leaves and suddenly the trees are left without them. All the leaves fall off automatically because the sun is going on the other tropic but the leaves have to fall down on the ground. Why? Because the nutrition of nitrogen has to go to the mother earth to be re-sucked by the tree. All this circle has been built up you see in the universe, how things are happening, we never even bother to see, we all have been taking full advantage of God’s love for us out of His spontaneity. He has created us and also He has created us in such a way that we can enjoy His spontaneous love all around us but we try to see God, try to see God in dead things. If somebody has a big house people think God has blessed him, if somebody gets a big position they think God has blessed him but we never realize that these things which are not spontaneous which are through effort have been achieved are of no consequence as far as the joy is concerned. You give some money to a person, who is not used to money, immediately you will find he will go to the race course or he will start drinking, he can’t bear it. When the riches grow too much you see what happens. Affluence crates such a problem you have known that now you are very aware of it, how affluence has ruined the spontaneity of western people, how their society has become malignant, how they are unhappy there is no love. This spontaneity within us is worked through the living force that is within us and not through the dead. Whatever dies within us, is pushed aside. Sahaja Yoga is the culmination of that living work by which you have become a human being and now the time has come for you to become a self realized personality, the time has come. Many people asked me today in the press conference, “what is Your purpose, what is Your mission?” It’s most surprising as they asked all the political leaders they were asking Me . The time has come, the time has come for you to get your self-realization. You are ready for it now. This is the time when the chaos is at its maximum level. , where people understand that these pursuits of wealth, of power, and other emotional possessions are of no value, where the pressures and tensions are so great that man is seeking. In every country I find thousands and thousands and thousands of people seeking, even in our country there are people who are seekers. That’s a category now developed, it’s a category, like a flower is a category on the trees, different from other parts of the tree, in the same way a seeker is a category which is different from the other parts of the world. He is not satisfied with what he has and he has started seeing through that there must be something beyond. This is not the end of it, only such people are welcome in Sahaja Yoga, those who are not seekers cannot be forced into it, it’s a spontaneous thing. Now this has been promised in various scriptures, that this has to happen, as old as nalapurana – I don’t know if you have read it or not because these modern people don’t read all these puranas you see, we think it’s all too ancient for us to read, it was said that when kaliyuga will be at its worst, harass (not clear )[unclear] the human beings at that time those people who are seeking god today in the hills and dales will be born again and they will get their self-realization. You will be amazed that in England which we don’t think in any way spiritually rich country, Indians at least don’t think so, at least they feel that they are very spiritually rich. I wonder if they are really, but if they are I am not surprised at it because you have such a great heritage, if you have not forgotten it, you are the best to get your realization, you are the best suited for that, you have that sukrut (Sanskrit word for good deeds) behind you, you have that big right to get it. How far Indians are seekers, that’s what one has to see (some Marathi in middle). Now the problem is, (let it be – not referred in talk) when you are a seeker when you are seeking God which is the way to do it, how to do it, because your parents told you that you are Muslim or a Christian or a Parsee or Sikh or something you just become that but by doing any of the rituals or any one of the things that your parents have told, you still feel that there is something more that has to happen and what is that, which is the missing point, that we have to know within ourselves. Today I am happy we heard such a great song, by such a great poet, Kabir and that as he has said it and as everybody has said it, Christ has said it, Mohommad Sahab has said it, all of them has have said it, that it is inside you is the lord, is the Rama, is the Shiva, is the paigambara or is the what they call the Allah, then seek it. Now, we start singing the songs, we better seek and you better seek and we must seek. By singing the song are you going to seek? Now how do you seek then, Mother? They ask Me, “How are we to seek God?” Is there a way and method, how did you become human beings? Effortlessly without any effort! Only thing was that you exposed yourself to nature and nature created you, you call it nature or God it’s just the same, in the same way it is the job of God almighty who has created you, to give you your meaning. If I make an instrument like this, it is My job to tell the person, what to do with it, how to put it to the mains and how it is to be used, in the same way it is the job of God almighty to do it and He knows how to do it. So, one may say, what should we do about it? What is the way to achieve that? Again, we are on the effort, actually, what we have to do is to be in the center. You must lead a moderate life, you should not go to extremes, if you go to extremes too much, then you are taking your attention away from the spirit. You have to keep in the center, you have to lead a very normal life. As Kabira has very clearly said that I do not go anywhere. He was a married man, he keeps in the center, don’t have to use any extreme or exterior things, to express your spirituality, it is within yourself that you will find it, keep to the center. It is absolutely practical, it’s common sense, Think of a car which is not having its center of gravity at its center but is moving at a tilt, think of a boat that is tilted, anything that is tilted too much gives an imbalance, so to keep a balanced life, to keep a moderate life in the center, be very, very normal, that’s what everyone has said, because that’s what it is. By keeping in the center only we have achieved our evolution. Always if you see the tree you will find the sap of the tree rises in the center, all living work takes place in the center, even your social and economic activities takes place in the center, even as we call it Delhi as the central government. So you have to keep to the center of your behaviour, of your living, of your styles, of your thinking, do not go to extremes, this is the first thing they have told us. Today they asked me a question that Mother you have cured so many cancer patients, I have no doubt and cancer can be easily cured so many diseases can be cured by Kundalini awakening but how do you get cancer is the question they asked Me, I said, by going to extremes by going to extremes only you develop all the problems. Even in your religious duties you go to extremes, when you go to extremes you go away from the center path, that’s how you get caught up on the left or the right-hand side which is shown here, I don’t know if you can see it, which is very important to see. Sahaja Yoga has been described by all the saints especially after Adi Shankaracharya. Has very clearly talked about it. Before that it was kept as a very sacred and a secret science because there were very few people who could be given realization but today it is not that I am talking to only Arjuna or to a few people here and there to selected but it is open invitation to all the people to open their eyes to this subtler knowledge, to this the real power of yourself that is with in you. Now when we have become human beings, we have gone through various stages. All these stages are built within us at centers. These various centers lie within us within our spinal cord, one out of the spinal cord and two of them in the brain. These centers are there, who are the milestones of our evolution. When we were just a carbon atom, we were at the first center, Carbon. I wonder how many people who know chemistry, know the beauty of Carbon. Carbon is made by mother earth and that is very important because it has a balance. Carbon has four valences plus and minus both. I know if you know chemistry you will know about carbon very well so it can give four or take four, it’s such a balanced thing just in the center of the periodic table this carbon. Without the carbon life could not come on this earth, so carbon was to be created first and when we were carbon, we were innocent, complete innocent people. Innocence is the first thing that was created on this earth, and this innocence is represented within us at a material level or a matter level as carbon in the first center about which I will tell you tomorrow. What more things this center has and which is a very important center. Luckily in our country this center is very, very strong basically we are innocent people. Is a fact, you might think that Mother is trying to pamper our ego, we are innocent, but we have taken to ways of other people who came here and we thought that material development is the only way our country can improve and then we took to so many ways and methods by which our innocence is lost or is at least at stake. This innocence is within us. That’s the beginning of our evolution, now while evolving gradually, we have got so many qualities within us, also we have something very special compared to other animals, and that thing is the ego. First of all, if you see the left side, from the right to the left side, is the power within us which you can call as the power of desire, by which we desire, ichha shakti. You may desire anything, we desire so many things but we have to put in concrete action to achieve the results, so the other power we have on the left-hand side going to the right-hand side is the power of action. The left-hand side channel, which carries the power of desire is called as ida nadi and the right-hand side one which you see which actually starts from the left goes to the right is called as the pingla nadi. The first one is called as the chandra nadi the second one as surya nadi. The first one creates your mana, Sanskrit it’s better to say manas you understand what mana is and the second one crates Ahankara. So the second one which is the ahankara which has come to us through our efforts, through our kriya, is like a balloon on our heads and that is the problem of today, the human beings have to face, of which they are not aware. The first power of mana is very simple. You desire something, you go on desiring and panning for it, desiring and panning for it, thus, you harm yourself, you start harming yourself and when you start desiring when you start using this power of desire. When you desire too much, you become affected by it. When you get affected you get all kinds of problems like depression and other mental problems I mean, people can become mad and all the psychological problems, which is described by Freud the great. Now Freud being a scientist I would say a human being, he was a blind man, so he found something he said this is the thing, is the truth, that a person who suffered from any mental trouble is suffering because of his conditioning is a fact, but he only dealt with mad people, he never dealt with normal people. If you meet mad people that doesn’t mean, that all the rest of the world is mad. The mad people are mad because of too much of conditioning is agreed, but for that another extreme could be that you should have no conditioning at all you go ahead with whatever you like. Thank God in India he never settled down. Many people tried to settle down here they did not somehow this country has a method by which it throws away all the nonsensical things, so Freud was not so much accepted except for some so called pseudo intellectuals who call themselves westernized. But in the West, they are so naive they accepted him, they accepted Freud out and out. So the question is what’s wrong? Supposing you do this, what’s wrong? This is the question they will ask “what’s wrong in this? What’s wrong in that?” In doing anything what’s wrong? They cannot even understand what’s wrong if there is bad relationship between brother and sister. Can you imagine? Indian persons can understand it, when you tell to an Indian man he will just laugh at this, its stupidity, so what has happened when they say “what’s wrong in it, and what’s wrong in it” they started developing their right side, their ego side, so if you neglect your conditioning or if you try that there should be no conditioning at all, people can become extremely ego oriented and all the West is drowned into it. They are so ego oriented that you cannot talk to him them, they really bark, they do not talk. Only when it is the matter of money, they talk softly otherwise they just bark. They are so ego oriented you can’t imagine and you will be amazed we think that they are very united and that they are No they fight all the time. Husband will fight with the wife, wife will fight with the children, children will fight with the parents, parents will fight with the parents, it’s all going on, they are all the time fighting, quarrelling and arguing. You see any picture or drama that they make these days they only quarrel between husband and wives, you get fed up. The whole system work how to fight each other, no wonder they start wars also. So, this ego orientation has gone to another extreme now, we had to develop our ego to a point when it came up to this point where the Kundalini can be easily pierced through, because first the superego was too much, so the ego developed and they have to meet in the center like this. If you keep a moderate life, then you develop your ego properly and a superego you are in the center and traditionally thank God Indians are better off, that’s why I say they are innocent, but, there are people in India I have seen who are in charge of affairs who are supposed to be very educated and learned and professors and this and that they say the same thing “what’s wrong”? Now, in India, we know what is susanskara is, susanskara there is a word like su which I don’t know even in English language if it is but su – is good, we must have good sanskaras we must have discipline of our mind. The concept of Indian life is chitter-nirodh- you must control your attention, shouldn’t allow your attention to pass out, shouldn’t allow your attention to spill out, from childhood we ask our children [unclear] Where is your attention? Where is your attention? Where are you lost? Then Indian personality knows that your attention is not to be fettered. For example, in India nobody will boast of something wrong as like a theft, will anybody boast of that? But I have seen with my own eyes you won’t believe, that in Paris there was a relay of a man who did a burglary in a big bank, see he burgled the whole bank and this fellow was on the TV and he was trying to show off as if he is a big hero, he was saying “yes I went there like this and I did like that” and he was explaining all this to the magistrate and while talking to the magistrate you saw it happening also with your own eyes because the TV was on him that he said how did you go to the window he just went to the window and jumped out and disappeared. Now I was surprised that he is made a hero there, people wear, the children wear his photograph as a hero, can you imagine we wearing somebody’s thing as a hero who is a thug well known, who has taken away the money of the people who have put it there, the hard earned money of the people that’s what’s happening there. Now we are also trying to develop ourselves, develop, we are getting sophisticated you see, so we may take to their ways may one day land up in the same situation where they do not recognize or realize, where have they gone, where have they reached. At that time, I would say, that you must see that you must have your susanskaras and the susanskaras come to you by listening to people like Kabira and Nanaka, listening to people like Tukarama and Gyaneshwara but not extreme people who teach something of extreme. They were all married people; they all have led a very simple life. Gyaneshwara was not married he died very young and we have got the greatest thing is Adi Shankaracharaya, who has said it, that you reach a certain stage where you do not need anything but the grace of Mother, the grace is of Mother is only possible if you are a moderate person, if you are an extremist, you are away from Her and that’s how it does not work out. Christ has said that a rich man cannot enter into the kingdom of God because he is an extremist. He said a camel can pass through the eye of a needle but a rich man cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Why He said so? Because they are extremes, they will go to wrong type of people, where they can purchase a guru, then they can show off their money or they can use the guru as the lesion officer or some sort of a thing like that gives them ego orientation. Among them there will be some, few, of course who will realize the futility of money and will come to God and I feel now the modern generation in the West is that type, are the saints born there, these are the saints born in that country who are seeking God but we have exported all our thugs from here and also we are trying to enjoy the money that they lavish on our gurus, because we think we are earning foreign exchange but this is the kamai of Adharma and unless and until we check this our country can never progress we are not to be soft on this point, this is the thugai of other nations. They did it to us doesn’t matter but we shouldn’t do it if the whole world tries to cheat us doesn’t matter we should not cheat and we know for definite that this is cheating still we are soft on this point because we think that’s how we can earn foreign exchange, you don’t know with such a kamai what can happen to our country. Now in Sahaja Yoga which is described by all the great saints, today the time has come for it to become a Mahayogi. It has to has to become a Mahayoga, Gyaneshwara has described it, that a day will come that Sahaja will become Maha, means you will have a mass realization, a mass thousands will get realization which I have seen happening in the villages, in a kadus village, there is a place called kadus near satara, where people gathered, they were about six thousand, above six thousand and there were newspaper people also and all of them got self realization most surprisingly, all of them got their realization, its most surprising it is going to happen in thousands especially in the villages because city people are westernized, difficult people. They think no end of themselves too much of ego, when I came here, I found, the whole of Delhi is suffering from ego, tremendous ego the Agnya chakra. I had to ask people to take out their vibrations to put that down. I don’t know from where this kind of a myth is working, but we have to face ourselves as we are. We have to get ourselves corrected through Kundalini awakening. Now this Sahaja Yoga is a spontaneous growth is a living growth, the Kundalini raises by itself and pierces the Brahmarandra, as described by all these people, shunya shikhar par anhad baji re , it’s all described, I mean I don’t have to tell you because you do not read these things you see you just sing this is what they have said I am doing today, I am doing the job of Kabira, Nanaka, of Gyaneshwara, all the nathapanthis who have preached that you have to get your realization of Christ, of Mohammad of all these people put together, of Buddha, of Mahavira of all these people this work has to be finished today. This is the time that has come, most surprising that in a place like England which I say you don’t consider to be very spiritual about hundred years back a great poet was born I must say he was very great because he was such a prophet and he has said that this Mahayoga time is going to come, the most remarkable thing is that he has mentioned the place where I will was staying. What’s the matter with you sir why don’t you sit down disturbing everybody else please sit down you shouldn’t do like, this you see you cannot come to this place and disturb is a question of your Kundalini I am trying to raise the Kundalini of the people and suddenly you shoot off there is no need to do it you see it’s a very delicate work it’s the Brahma Shakti and I have to take it through the brahaman nadi when I am talking it’s not talking I am raising your Kundalini and please don’t disturb if you have to go you should go before it is not a cinema it’s not a show, it is a living work, so please help Me don’t disturb each other please it’s a very serious thing and one has to understand ones own value that I am here to give you what is the most precious thing within you is your spirit, so please do not just walk off or because you are not entertained or something try to put your attention it’s not such a difficult subject I am telling you, but try to understand that this is a very important time if you have come here, it’s a great chance you better get your realization. As a mother I have to tell you that this is the thing you have been seeking. I was talking about William Blake hundred years back he has written about this Mahayoga he said that the men of God, the seekers, I am saying it’s a category seekers will become prophets they’ll get realization but these prophets, these prophets will have a special quality in them and what is the quality, that they will be transforming others into prophet state There will be many prophets which will be created on this earth. But most surprising is that he has written it in such details that he has even mentioned the place where I lived. He said that the first peak that will be lit will be Surrey Hills where I lived first and about the ashram that we are having that Lambeth vale is the place where foundations will be laid in the ruins we bought a place which was all ruins to that extent he has said and he has said that London will be a Jerusalem, England will be a Jerusalem means [unclear] a kshetra means a pilgrimage. Imagine in hundred years back an Englishman has written about it, that means it’s something is going to work out in that country, no doubt, but what about this great country of ours, which is a yoga bhoomi you are born in a yoga bhoomi do you know that you have a responsibility towards God where are you? Wasting your attention? The whole world is looking at you for guidance you are not interested, you are not bothered. Now people might say Mother if it is a yoga bhoomi why it’s a poor country it is better that it is poor than to be rich like these stupid people, abroad. Krishna has said that yoga kshema vahamyaam first have the yoga and then the kshema. He didn’t say kshema yoga. He said yoga kshema first you must get yoga, you first get your realization then the kshema that is the way it looks nice, it glorifies you, in Hindi we can say rajta hai, otherwise it’s odd, it’s funny, you look as if two horns have come out of you, you elect somebody as a member of parliament immediately you know he must be something the way is nose is the way he walks the way he talks brushing everyone. Make him a minister, had it never see his face again The cursed man would go there it is like that a very good man can be ruined with power, a very good man can be ruined with money, you have seen people who get money suddenly they forget their parents, they forget their country, they forget about everything. All kinds of horrible things done in the name of money. Bribery, corruption everything is done because we are not realized souls, if you are realized souls you will not just do it at any cost, all your efforts to improve honesty of this country is not possible unless and until you get your self realization through Kundalini awakening by which your transformation takes place and person develops his own personality then he has no such temptations and his whole being changes and he becomes samarth sa ma artha. He becomes the meaning of what he is, he is, is no more misidentified with anything, he is not bothered and then the Laxmi tattwa is also enlightened and his material problems also gets solved an extent not too much again you do not become a lakhopati because that’s foolishness and [unclear]. But you become so well off that you are absolutely satisfied with yourself with your material being and you do not ask for anything. The whole thing changes completely when you are sitting before me you are asking then you are change your form you are here, you are giving like the light when it is enlightened what does it do, it just gives light. Till it is enlightened it is the seeking once it gets the light it gives the light. Like all the great saints have done it, the only difference is that the saints were born at such a great height but whenever they talked nobody listened nobody recognized them everyone tortured them when they died. We have big big, organizations, big big religious cults and religious things and big big churches and temples and all things that we have built in their names when they died when they lived nobody bothered, nobody. So, today the time has come for you to get this absolute within you, by which you will recognize the real and the unreal. Not only that, but your powers of your Spirit will manifest by which you can do wonders and wonders about which I will tell you later on, in other programs which you are going to have. I hope you will continue to come and bring more people for it. Every time I try to raise your Kundalini and try to establish. But after Realization, when the germination has taken place, when the seed has sprouted, you have to be careful at least for seven days, you have to be really careful about it so that you do not get into your mess again. And after that, if you are - you follow it properly, there is an education you need for it. The effort, you may not need it before, afterwards you have to little bit educate about yourself to understand what do the chakras mean, where they go what are the points, where they catch, what diseases are caused by this, by what problems are caused by this, how to get rid of them. All this knowledge you should have.Now we have, you see here, we have lots of beautiful people from Australia, England and from France and other places. They all have got their Realization and they have established it.Many people have got Realization. Last time also, we had people who got Realization. I meet some of them on the street they say, “Mother, we are all right but the vibrations are lost”. We do not have the values its ‘amulya’ it is invaluable! That is one thing you must know you cannot pay for God. It’s an insult, can you pay for your mother’s love? It’s an insult. All those who have erected huge building places taking money for God. All right. If you want to build a house you can build it call it ashram call it anything it’s a dead stuff, but you cannot pay for your Realization. You cannot pay for your Realization that is one thing which is definite. Now what all the things happened to you, I will tell you. From tomorrow onwards and I am here for some time please little bit, try to have your self-esteem. You are not ordinary people who were born in this country and that you have to achieve your depth. If you- when you go deep into it suddenly you will find that within you lies the great power of your 'punyas' that you have achieved in last lives. You have to just go up to that point. First, Self-realization and then your own depth you have. Seek once you get into it, you just get it you are there and you start manifesting it. You will become the guru yourself. You will know everything by yourself. This is the promise of this Maha Yoga. I hope Delhi people will understand it and all will be able to achieve their Self-realization in this visit of mine, it is very important. Time is very important, it is very short, I think, and people have to realize it: this is the Last Judgment that is being promised. Only through Kundalini you are going to be judged otherwise there is no way out. This is the Last Judgment and don’t miss it, the time is running short. I am telling all the people that, "Please be careful, bring all your friends tell all your people, get it for yourself and be established. And enjoy the beauty of the Spirit and enter into the kingdom of God, who is your very, very loving Father, who wants to give you this". May God bless you. The Kundalini will rise by itself, don’t believe in people who say that it cannot be done, of course it cannot be done it’s a very difficult accepted, but maybe I know the job very well or I have the authority perhaps my be and tomorrow you will have the authority to raise the Kundalini you all will have the same. "Haan aa raha hai naa ab aap jaa rahe thee haan", put your hands like this, Don’t disturb others alright, please put just your hands now I would say that on collective being I find that your right side is over, over active so you have to put it down first of all before doing anything else please put your left hands towards Me, left is frozen but right is, put left-hand towards Me like this, left only. Now you take from the left raise your right-hand like this put it up on the head and put it this side throw it out again do it twice throw it away again do it thrice and throw it away four times and throw it away five times six time and seventh time … theek hai [Ok] Now put your hands towards Me. It’s much better. [Part translated from hindi:] In this there is no questions and there is no answer. It happens when it has to happen, and it does not happen when it does not have to happen. There is no discussions about it. It is something which belongs to PARAMATMA. When it has to happen it will happen to whom it should happen and it happened today for the persons who were deserving. The people to whom it happened must understand that one should ask PARAMATMA for it. In this you cannot fight. There is no fighting of any kind. By discussing you will not get it. This way you are only wasting the time, and there is no meaning in wasting the time. Above all people, here don’t know anything about Kundalini, and that’s the big problem, because for you we have to start from the beginning. Like in Maharashtra, everybody knows where is the Kundalini! What is the chakra? etc. They know who is Dattatreya! But here people don’t know anything. It is very difficult job. So first you get your realisation, then I will explain. Like that in the room when you entered you were in the dark, so first put on the light, after we will discuss. Is it ok?

2/6/1981

http://amruta.org/?p=6781

Swadishthana Chakra

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New Delhi

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Public Program, New Delhi (India), 6 February 1981. [English from Hindi translation] You have requested to speak in Hindi. The thing is that it was decided that in this place I will speak in English. The reason for this is that till now I have not spoken anywhere in English in India and the guests who have come so far have not been able to hear my speech. So told them that here I will talk in English and when in temples or I think the speeches that are going to be held in the Vidyapeeth of Delhi will be in Hindi language only. So please, if you come in other speeches, then I will talk in Hindi. Hope you people do not feel bad because they are guests, a little bit of them should be taken care of. Although you all understand English a little bit and I do not speak such difficult English. If you have any questions then I will tell you. Sorry about these five-six lectures that I am going to give in English. [English Transcript] Yesterday I talked to you about the subtle centers, which exist within our being. The knowledge of this was known to Indians, to many Indians thousands of years back but, they did not disclose it. There were two types of people who became aware of the higher powers of Nature. One of them were the people who thought we may be able to excite, the Nature itself, so they started worshipping all the five elements, through the Veda mantras and all that. They tried to awaken the five mantras the result of which we see today is the manifestation of science, that they have been able to harness the energy of those five elements. The second type of people, who became aware that there must be some force which is giving us evolution, they started singing the praise of God in bhakti, and requesting God to Incarnate on this Earth. These were the bhakti margis (bhakti path followers). That is how, in the Virata, in the Primordial Being, there are two forces as there are in the human beings [as] I told you yesterday. One is the emotional force, which is the bhakti, which gives us existence. This is the force through which the whole Universe was conceived, was desired, and in our Sahaja Yoga terminology it is called as the ‘Mahakali Shakti’. On the right side of the Virata, as we have in the human beings, is the power of action where He uses all the five elements to create – is the power of Mahasaraswati according to Sahaja Yoga terminology. The third force, that did not operate so openly, started thousands and thousands of years back in this country, where people started giving Ishwara pranidhaan is the basic of hatha yoga. That is to establish Ishwara (God) within you. First the Ishwara must be established. The light of your Spirit, your Atma must be awakened, and then, the cleansing must be done. And people must be established into their Self-realisation. This line of action was taken for very, very few people, extremely few. So much so that after Buddha, when Vidditama, one of his disciples, went to Japan he started a cult called as Zen which is the same as Sahaja Yoga and there, they have mentioned that in six centuries they had only twenty-six kashayapas – means the ones who were Realised. Even Indra was given realisation. Even Brahmadeva was given realisation. So, it extends up to the date when Brahmadeva was created out of Shri Narayana, Shri Vishnu. To us, all these Deities are mythological things. Actually, they became mythological because when people started talking about the flower in which the honey was, people started worrying about the flower. They are more worried about the flower than the honey. So, then the people came up, like Buddha and Mahavira, who said, “Better not talk about the flower at all.” If you talk about the flower people get stuck up at that point. They go discussing, arguing and also getting into rituals which were dead. Just trying to do some kind of a dead work, and the progress of their being was completely, obliterated and they could not go any further with it. It was then desired that something should be done to overcome this hurdle of human beings by which they get stuck up to forms. So many people on this earth came as Gurus, as real Gurus, the manifestation of this great principle of the Primordial Master [which], as I told you yesterday is called as ‘Dattatreya’, came on this earth many-a-times. And they tried to establish within us our sustenance our dharma with this central force of evolution. It is only through establishment of sustenance that we can evolve. As I told you yesterday about: carbon has its own sustenance, gold has its own sustenance that, gold is not tarnishable; in the same way human beings have their own sustenance. These Gurus came on this earth to establish that sustenance within us. All of them are the incarnation of the same Spirit: like Raja Janaka, he came as Nanaka also Mohammed Sahib was the same personality; absolutely the same personality as Guru Nanak. There is no difference in their personality, just the same, that’s why Guru Nanaka came on this earth to tell people that you should not find (discriminate) on this basis of Hindu and Muslims. Because He realised as Mohammed Sahib that He had done a mistake. To tell people that all human beings are just the same and one should not, force things in this manner. Actually, the whole thing gets perverted as soon as the disciples take the place of the Gurus. Thus, we had the middle path built in by the Gurus, in the center of our being, called as The Void. The first chakra I told you about is the center of innocence. It is bestowed upon us by the Deity of Shri Ganesh. These Gurus did not talk of the Deities too much because, as I told you, people were talking more about the flower than about the honey so they said, “Talk about the nirakaar (formless) talk about the formless by which people will pay their attention to the formless.” But still it became talk and talk and talk. When they talked about the flower, people got stuck up with the talk about the flower and when they talked about the nirakaar and formless, they got stuck up with that. So, human beings are such that they get stuck up with their thoughts which are limited, coming from a limited area of their intelligence and their rationality. So, what was rational became a problem for saints to give realisation. So there again was a revival, at the time of Shankaracharya. Again, Nanaka came and talked of nirakaara. Like that they were trying to bring the people closer to reality by telling them, “Now forget this, now take to this,” “Forget this, take to this.” Somehow that, by giving up things, they might be able to reach the reality. Now the center of Mooladhara is a center, is the Mooladhara chakra. One has to understand the importance of this center being separated from Mooladhara itself. Mooladhara is the place where the Kundalini sits – is in the Sacrum, is in the bone called Sacrum. ‘Sacrum’ means sacred. That means even in Latin language it was called as a sacred bone. That means they knew that there was something sacred, holy, about this bone. It is said that when the body burns, the whole-body burns, seldom does this bone burn, and if it burns, it requires very tremendous heat. This triangular bone had this power within us which is the power of Kundalini, which creates the whole being still it remains the whole, that’s why it is called as a residual power of Kundalini. Now this Kundalini resides there for ages together and it comes back with you whenever you are born again. She’s your Mother. She has been your eternal Mother. She is your individual Mother. You do not share her motherhood with anybody else. She is the one who has loved you all your life and She’s anxiously waiting for a moment when She can give your second birth, your punyajanma. Now, such a Kundalini, how can She be dangerous? Many people have told me that they have read some books which say that Kundalini awakening is a very dangerous thing. I have also seen some of the very, very old books written – so big as that – with such ignorance, saying that Kundalini is in the stomach! I was surprised that, when you don’t know anything about it, why should you write? Kundalini is not there, She is in the Mooladhara, and the Mooladhara Chakra is protecting the Mooladhara. You can see with the naked eye, when you come to Sahaja Yoga, the pulsation of the Kundalini in the triangular bone if there is an obstruction above; but if there is no obstruction the Kundalini just shoots up. Now this Ganesha chakra is very important, as I told you yesterday, because the first thing that God created was innocence and this innocence is Shri Ganesh. It’s so delicate, it’s like a flower. If you try to play about with your innocence Ganesha just gets angry with you or He sleeps off. Now, these people who have described the Kundalini being troublesome or coming up as a lightning or giving you kriyas, as I told you yesterday, are the people who are naïve. They don’t know how to handle the Kundalini and that’s how they have made mistakes. By committing these mistakes, they have been so popular people like people who have committed mistakes and telling something wrong. All these things happen because you have no idea as to how to handle the Kundalini. It is Ganesha who gets angry, not the Kundalini. It is he sitting down there [that] informs the Kundalini that, “Now you can rise because there is somebody who has the authority to raise you.” Now Shri Ganesha is a very important deity within us. Shri Ganesha is made by Mother Earth. Mother Earth has created him. Mother Earth has got the power within itself as magnetism. Magnetism is the power of Mother Earth. This magnetism within us resides as Shri Ganesh. We too have this magnetism within us. The birds have this magnetism within them. The fishes have this magnetism within them. When the birds fly all the way from Siberia to India, how do they do it? How do they know the direction which way to fly? They have this magnet within themselves and that’s how they can fly. They are innocent, animals are innocent. Only the human beings have the freedom to completely destroy his or her innocence. A person who is absolutely innocent has a great sense of direction. As soon as he is misdirected, immediately he knows where it is wrong. But once the Kundalini awakens, he gets a [sense of] direction so enlightened within him that immediately he knows within himself that: this man is not a religious person, this man is a thug, this man is a good person or this man is a Realised soul. This center is very important for all of us. By God’s grace India has got a speciality as far as Shri Ganesha is concerned. As I told you yesterday that Indians, on the whole, are innocent people; on the whole they are innocent. But we have really tried to destroy it by getting sophisticated and over-intelligent. This center is to be preserved and to be maintained through Sahaja Yoga practice after Realisation. There are certain asanas which are to be done. There are certain mantras that are to be recited to keep this center alright. Now the second center that we have within us is the Nabhi, which is placed inside The Void. It is the second in creation, that’s why I call it the second. Through it arises the third center called as Swadishthana center. Now the Nabhi center has got ten petals, it has got ten petals. In the same way, the solar plexus, which is a gross expression of this subtle center, also has got ten petals or ten sub-plexuses. Now this center controls most of our digestion on the grosser level and basically it gives us evolutionary power by which we have evolved. Only through this center we have evolved to be human beings. In the animals or in the very, very small animals, even in the unicellular animals like amoeba, it acts like a seeking. They seek food. Basically, they seek food. As they grow better and better in their evolutionary process then their seeking changes from one to another. Even in the human beings the seeking has been first to overpower the nature, then overpower the human beings, then affluence, money, possessions, emotional possessions. All these seekings have been in human beings. They all came to you through Nabhi chakra. But as I told you yesterday: anybody who gives up the path of moderation, falls into the trap of left and right and goes into the two areas which are built within us. One on the left is called as the collective subconscious and the another one on the right hand side is called as the collective supraconscious. So, all the extremes of the Nabhi Chakra can be very, very difficult. For example, those people who fast, just for fasting sake: it’s alright, sometimes one should fast. In the name of God if you fast it is all wrong because God never wants you to fast. This is something wrong that you want to torture your body, for what? Like people who want to call God would like to sort of stand on their heads, stand on your one leg and do all kinds of torturing things. This is the way; we deny God’s existence and His love and His affection. If He is there, we are going to meet Him. What is there to fast and put him into trouble by making Him unhappy? If you want to make your mother unhappy you do it this way: “I will not eat my food.” And that’s how the mother gets very upset. So, there is no need for anybody to fast in the name of God. If you have to fast then you can fast for your health or for your stomach trouble because you have eaten too much – [that] is a different point. But there is no need to believe that fasting for God is a good thing. The fasting takes you more to the right hand side of the Nabhi Chakra by which a person might become a very dry personality, extremely dry. The more you fast the drier you become. Such a person the day he fasts actually they fast, thinking all the time about food. What thing are we going to eat while fasting what after are we going to eat. So, the attention is all towards food, no doubt. But this kind of a, pressure or zabardasti as you call it on yourself pushes your attention to the right hand side. By that you enter into the area of collective supra conscious. Fasting people become emotionally dried up, their emotions become dried up, because only the right hand side is the action towards it takes place, but the desire is not fulfilled, and that’s why the left hand side is frozen. You must have heard of so many, seers we have had so called rishis who were very hot tempered. They used to curse people they used to just bhasmisa just make them into basmas and they used to just curse such people. These were the people who developed the power of the surya as they said. Like surya they became because this was the surya nadi and they could by their power could just kill anybody they liked. Now this is a power which is extremely destructive. It does not give any kalyana to anyone. It is of no use, you become such a person that you look at someone and the person becomes ashes. Imagine, you have been made human beings, with such difficulty, from amoeba you have come to this stage, now anybody who tries to do such tricks is absolutely anti-God. He doesn’t understand the purpose of God, he doesn’t know where does he play his role, he becomes a destructive force. So, these are not powers but these are negative forces and how they work out, how these forces come into us that I will tell you later on. Now on the left-hand side the people who are too indulgent into food, they eat too much they are lethargic and they are all the time thinking about eating, eating and eating. Such people pass into the left-hand side. This is also a very dangerous state. When they go on to the left hand side much they are again attacked by the collective sub-conscious and you may develop any disease accordingly. But the third chakra which is Swadishthana, is very important, because this is the center which revolves round the Nabhi chakra, and the main work it has to do is to convert the fat cells from your stomach for the use of your brain. When you think, you have the use of the brain cells but they are to be replaced and this replacement is only done through the help of the Swadishthana chakra in the stomach. I think the medicine people do not know about it, if they had known about it they would have cured many diseases. Because it has to do this important work, and when you start thinking too much, planning too much, then the work of this poor Swadishthana chakra increases, to such an extent that it neglects other centers, other, you can say, the other functions that it has to perform. The other functions are that it has to look after the liver. Now liver is a very, very important organ within us. By liver we sort out all our poisons, all kinds of poisons are sorted out by liver, and the poisons are liberated in the blood stream as heat. When you have too many poisons in the body, then you get your temperature and it is evaporated from your skin. That is a natural way the liver throws out all the poisons within your body. But when the liver is out of gear it does not. Those people who suffer from liver do not get temperature. Cirrhosis of liver, even cancer has the same principle. In cancer also you do not get temperature. The heat of the body is not eliminated because cancer cannot be cured with the people who have such a bad liver. It cannot be sorted out because the poison of the body cannot be taken out and these people never get temperature. That’s why one can never know if one has cancer till it reaches absolutely a galloping stage. There you might get a pressure because of other reasons. But the first indication that a man gets from his body is the temperature which never rises with cancer. Now this same center Swadishthana is to do other jobs like looking after your spleen and your pancreas, your kidneys and your uterus. Now spleen is a very important organ again which we neglect in these modern times. One has to understand what is the specialty of spleen. Spleen is the speedometer within us. It controls our speed. These days if you find people speak so speedily that you don’t know how they are speaking it goes telescopically. They walk so fast that if they have to go to the station, you’ll find them in the other station. They are so ahead of time that it is impossible to connect them with the reality. Now this speedometer is the spleen. Supposing when you are having your food, we used to have a very good system even, in Bengal the husband would be sitting eating his food and the wife would be fanning him and the fanning would determine the speed of the person’s eating. Now, she used to control. And another thing is that, say even in Maharashtra people are eating they say saukash slowly, slowly, have the food slowly. They go on saying. It may look little funny to some people but it is so that saukash saukash go on slowly, there’s time, there’s time, don’t be in hurry. But these days the way we eat our food is responsible for creating problems like blood cancer within us. We do not realise how blood cancer is created within us because I told you yesterday, I will let you know how cancer is created. Now this spleen has to work out all the emergencies within us. Supposing we are eating our food and suddenly we have to run out. It is already producing more blood cells for the consumption of the food we are having. Then suddenly we want to run, we want to run then it has to produce more blood cells. Supposing at the time, many people have a habit of reading the newspaper at the time of eating the food, it’s very wrong idea. Absolutely. Because you know newspaper are the most ashuba things that you can think of in this world. One should not read any newspaper in the morning if you listen to Me. They’re absolutely inauspicious, because they always give something horrible on the front page. It’s all so sensational that they don’t want to give anything that is good. And once I had an interview with one of the journalists and I said: ‘Why don’t you give something about Sahaja Yoga, because we are doing good work. People are getting out of their drugs and they are getting cured and all that.’ He said: ‘This is doing good; you see it’s good but this is no sensation see.’ They said that when the plane arrives in time in London nobody announces it but if there is a mishap then only, we announce, otherwise we don’t. So, if you read such horrible news at that time or open the TV at that time where you see a horrid face or some sort of a horrid idea immediately your speedometer being sensitive thing starts producing more blood cells for the emergency, God knows what emergency has come up. With this, the speedometer becomes really crazy becomes mad it doesn’t know what to produce when to produce. It loses its control with the whole and it starts producing blood cells which are crazy blood cells. These blood cells like mad start attacking other blood cells and that’s how the blood cancer is produced. It is triggered as I told you by the attack from the left collective sub-conscious. As I told you yesterday it happens like that. So, one has to realise that this kind of madness of speeding up yourself is not needed. What is the need? I have seen people, they’ll be all right, but before the plane has to leave about three hours before that suddenly goes wrong in them, suddenly. They go mad. They forget this, forget that forget everything, land up there without passport without their money without anything. Till three hours they’re all right. Suddenly the idea that they have to go they go crazy. This is also the work of speedometer which spoils your sense of judgment sense of stability and you start behaving as if you have gone mad and anybody who sees people at the airport, I get really frightened the way they are. They don’t know where they are going what’s happening to them there’s nothing to be so frightened about. What is there to be so much worried? I mean I have never worried about time all My life. I have never missed a plane; I’ve never missed a train. I don’t know why to worry. After all, if you have to miss it, you’ll miss it. Mostly I have seen people plan out to miss to leave things at home. Most of those people who plan out too much always miss things at home and also miss the plane. Is a common thing or they will not find out if the plane is out, or is not coming or something like that. This is one of the examples I have told you because these days people try to save the time. You are trying to save the time. Everybody seems to be trying to save the time. Somebody said that: ‘I must go to London can you arrange my passage?’ I said: ‘I don’t know anybody in this airlines people I don’t know how will I help?’ ‘No no no you must arrange a relation of mine.’ I said: ‘Why what is the need for you to go to London fast? After all you can go tomorrow it’s all right doesn’t matter whenever you get the seat you can go what is such a hurry? I mean at least the government of Britain is not going to fall down. Maybe Indian government, many government servants think that the Indian government is there because of them. It’s all right. I don’t mind they admit but even English government is not going to fall out because of you what is such a hurry?’ He said: ‘No no no I have to go there because I have to attend a ball’. So, you can imagine all this time saving and all this horrible thing is to waste time there. People try to save their time just to go for a discotheque or for a drinking party. Just imagine they must go in right time for a drinking party. What is for a drunkard whether you go earlier or later. In any case you’ll get drunk, no problem, and others who are drunk will not know when you came or when you went away. So, there is no need to hurry up so much. That doesn’t mean that you should be always late at a place, I don’t mean that but one should not hurry up. You’ll be much more in time if you do not hurry up. You’ll be just in time if you do not hurry up. It is better not to hurry than to be such a slave of your watches because the time that is to be saved, is not for all these nonsensical things but is an urge from within to save the time for meditation. The time has come for us, to get our Realisation and to meditate within ourselves and to grow within ourselves and to transform into the new awareness of God’s Realisation. This is why we are seeking the time. That’s why we have to have the watch to know how many hours are there left for us to meditate. This urge has been misunderstood by human beings and they are misusing it for some another purpose. I’m sure after sometime they will realise because this kind of madness leads to horrible diseases. Another disease that people normally suffer from specially in Delhi is very common, is diabetes. Diabetes is caused because the same center, which is using its power to supply the cells the fat cells for your brain has to look after also the pancreas. Now the pancreas is the one which digests your sugars. Now if all the time you are thinking all the time, you’re planning then what can the poor one center do? It cannot work out the pancreas and that’s how only the so-called educated and planners get diabetes. It’s a balancing. Because they use too much of their right side and the left side is completely frozen, what happens that all their left side problems start. The nature takes its respite. It tries to teach you through these methods. If you do not understand that you have to lead a balanced life the other problems can crop up like kidney troubles. But the worst of all is the heart attack. Only a person who works very hard, thinks too much of himself and thinks that he’s the one who is the support of the whole kingdom and the one who stands like Girdhariji with the finger in his hand, all such people are apt to get heart attacks. Absolutely no doubt about it. Because they work so hard. They work out their right side and don’t worry about their left side. The left side goes to a point. Another type is the type which worries too much about their physical body, physical health, like hatha yoga, now so-called hatha yoga of the modern times. If you do too much of exercises and too much of physical exercises you neglect your Spirit which is your heart. There’s no balance between your heart and the Spirit. The heart is all the time working for giving you more blood for these horrible exercises that you are doing. There’s no need for you to take out all your intestines and put them back. Some people do such horrible, these exercises, I don’t know for what. What is the need to do such exercises indiscriminately? Of course, in Sahaja Yoga also after Realisation you have to do certain asanas according to the need of the chakras. If the Swadishthana chakra is caught up on the left side or right side, there are certain asanas one has to do. But if you do at that time some other chakra, other exercise you’ll spoil it first, because you spoil that center which is all right because it is all right why are you bending it. And the another one which is spoilt is not attended to. There’s a big knowledge about it. I should say there’s a big science about all these things. If you do not know that and if you just do it indiscriminately it would be that you just have a little cold and you are taking all the medicines right from cancer up to TB. This is so indiscriminate, doing all the asanas all the time and then end up your life with a heart attack. Those who pay too much attention also outside get a heart attack. Actually, these are all ego-oriented people. You see on the right-hand side when you think too much, when you use the right side you develop your ego. It can be very subtle. It can go very subtler. If you hear of a person, he’s a great gentleman know that there’s a very cunning ego there, because he knows that you have to be very polite with your ego otherwise people will know that you are egoistical, so they are extremely humble. Ego can only disappear when you get Realisation. Before that ego exists in a subtler and a subtlest form. After Realisation when the Kundalini rises, She sucks in both the ego and superego and you become the Self. This happening has to take place; otherwise we live with ego all the time. Krishna realised it long time back. Six thousand years back Krishna realised it that people cannot give up ego easily, [SOUNDS LIKE: tere kire], it’s not simple to explain to them that you have ego. Because if you tell somebody you will have it, so is better to do it in a way that they would understand and that’s how the whole Gita is nothing but a great diplomacy of Shri Krishna, the great Incarnation the complete Incarnation of diplomacy. He has played tricks with Arjuna and you are all still playing the tricks, you are still with it. When He said that: ‘Get the gyana’, means that your awareness must be enlightened you must get your enlightenment. That is the first thing He said. He’s not a shopkeeper so He said the direct thing that you get your enlightenment; get your gyana, that’s the first thing He said. Gyana means not reading the books but gyana means, your attention must be enlightened, your awareness must be enlightened. You should become a gyani means you know, just by feeling on your fingers you can know what is the problem with you and what is the problem of others. You become. It’s not question of just giving a lecture to people that: ‘Do this and do that and do this.’ But it just happens to you that you just become, and this is what He has said that: ‘You become the gyana.’ Now, Arjuna asked that: ‘You are saying that you become a sakshi and a gyani and here You are saying that you go and fight in the war.’ You see when you are Realised you fight in the war you don’t fight. You just see as a sakshi. You are just used as an instrument of God to fight the horrible people. But he did not understand. He did not understand this subtle point, so Krishna tried a trick on him. He said: ‘All right. What you do is to do your karma and put it at the Lotus Feet of the Lord,’ which is an impossible situation, is an absurd condition. This is the best way of diplomacy, to put an absurd condition so they fall into their own traps. He said: ‘You do all the karmas of the world and put it at the Lotus Feet of God Almighty. Now it’s an absurd condition can never happen. But many people believe in this Brahma, that: ‘Mother we’ll do all the work and put it at the Lotus Feet of the Lord’. You cannot. In a subtler way you may say, rationally you may say with your mouth you may say but you cannot because the ego exists within you. It is there. Now how to get rid of the ego? If you fight with it, it will become even bigger, just like a balloon if you fight with it, it goes bigger and bigger and bigger, and some people have an ego so big that if looking at them I sometimes find that it might grow into a horn. It can be horribly bad. You see people have, ego in the places, like India most surprisingly when we get the idea of getting developed we should know the people who have done that job in the west have got such an ego-oriented personality that they want to run away from this ego morning till evening. They are so fed-up with it that when we are trying to develop ourselves, we are just doing it by increasing our ego. When we work out our right side our ego develops as a by-product and this surrounds our heart. It surrounds our heart. A man who gets egoistical becomes so much dry he cannot talk to anyone properly. As I told you they bark. They suddenly become so dry that if they have to talk to someone, they think that it is too much to talk to someone who is so low. They start feeling that they are very high people; they are of very great positions. They are very rich and these are all low people. All such nonsensical ideas start cropping into their heart and their heart becomes all enveloped with ego. Then it goes to a point where the ego becomes too much then you get a heart attack. All those people who say Gayatri mantra without any authority, working on the right-hand side also. If you say your Gayatri mantra without any authority you will get a very weak heart. All such people will get heart troubles. Now it is important for all of us to know what is the problem with us and how to look after ourselves. We should not try to put our attention outside to such an extent that we neglect our heart. If God has given us say some position, must know that you must love. Must have your emotions. For example, I’ve seen Government servants in Delhi, because My husband has been a Government servant all his life I know. They have no time for their wives and no time for their children. They are so busy you know you never see their faces in the daytime. You have to always put the light on and if you see them in the daytime you don’t recognise them. Once they wear their pants they are out of gear. You can’t talk to them except for five-year plan which has failed many-a-times. So, these people should know that you must spend some time with your emotions, with your family with your children, with other people. Have some loving rapport with other people of the society. Look after that side also. Those people who do not do such things are in for trouble. I have told so many people that be careful, that you should not get a heart attack. There are some gurus who are very good at giving heart attacks. There are many gurus who just give a heart attack to the husband whose wife is his devotee. Is very common feature of many gurus who gave a heart attack to the partner of his devotees so that he gets all the money, all the property and the wife of the husband at his lotus feet. All such things should be avoided. We have to be affectionate, we have to be kind, we have to control our tongue and be sweet to others and nice to others. Not that thinking if you are nice to anyone you are doing something great. We have to be generous people. We have to give as much as we can we should give. What is there to feel we are doing anything for anyone. This is the greatest subtlest ego that people think: ‘We are serving the nation, or we are serving the poor. Who is serving who, who is the other? If this finger is serving this finger do you say that: ‘I am serving this finger?’ Who is the other? If they are all the part and parcel of the whole of One Primordial Being then you are just helping yourself, you are not helping anybody else. But this is only possible when you get your Realisation. Without Realisation all this talk is talk, talk, talk, and talk and talk. If you have to have any such idea that by just telling yourself you’ll forget it you cannot. You have to have your Realisation by which you become another person. Then how you talk. What Krishna has said that you become akarma. The akarma becomes in. Then you just don’t feel you are doing anything. For example, now if you have a Sahaja Yogi here and if you ask him to awaken your Kundalini, he’ll just tell Me: ‘Mother it doesn’t come up. It doesn’t come up. It doesn’t go. It doesn’t…’ He doesn’t say: ‘I am not doing it’. He doesn’t say so. It becomes an akarma. He doesn’t have to say that: ‘I have done this Realisation. I have cured this person.’ No. He said: ‘She’s not getting cured. The Kundalini is not rising. The Realisation could not be established. This is going wrong’. Because the whole concept of doing the work is finished as soon as you become a hollow personality. There’s a beautiful story of Shri Krishna and Radha. Once Radhaji felt jealous of the Murali and She said that: ‘Oh Lord why do have this Murali all the time at your lips, what is so special about her?’ She went and asked Murali about it. Murali smiled and she said: ‘Don’t You know that my speciality is that I have no speciality. I am a hollow person. He plays and the whole thing flows through me, I see that. People say the Murali is playing. I laugh at it. It is He who is playing through me. I become a hollow personality.’ In the same way, when the akarma is established, you become That. Same about the bhakti. When people start singing too much like mad you see: ‘Unless and until I see You I’ll cut my throat, or jump before the, fast-moving train,’ and all those things when you try such tricks you must know that you’ll be attacked by some possession. Some people dance like mad thinking that they have got God in them. God doesn’t dance that way. Some people get bhoots into themselves and they say that Devi has come into me. Devi, to be borne in the body is not an easy thing. It needs a special type of a body to have thirty-five crores of Gods to be settled in the body, to manage the thirty-five crores of chakras. Is not easy for the Devi to enter into any Dick Tom and Harry and to make the person dance. Moreover, one has to know that if you have got the Devi tattwa or if you are a Realised soul, you become completely controlled with yourself. You do not dance as the so-called Devi or so-called bhoot comes into you and makes you dance. Anybody who does anything out of control or anything that happens out of control one must know is not done by you but by somebody else because you have lost your possession and somebody else has possessed you. It’s a very, very common practice of all these fake gurus. They’ll give you a mantra. Now this is another thing I’ll have to talk about because today somebody requested Me, is a very common practice of people giving Nama. I don’t know from where they get this idea. This is something I just can’t understand. Nama was given to people at the time when they had a particular chakra’s catch. For example, say nahbi chakra say is caught. Then they would say that: ‘Take the name of Vishnu or Laxshmi Narayan whatever may be the case. Or supposing your void is, then they may say: ‘Say Mahaguru or say Guru’s Name and all that.’ But that’s a different thing when the Guru is a Realised soul He knows where is your problem. But how can you give that name permanently to someone? It is impossible because the Kundalini moves. As soon as you take the Name of the Guru the Kundalini will move upward. If there is an obstruction you have to take the Name of the Deity that is here. If there is no obstruction It will move here. If there is an obstruction here you have to take the Name here. It’s a living Force. I told you it’s a living God and it’s a living Force. It doesn’t stay. It’s not static permanently at a place that you go on saying the same thing again and again. Maybe your Kundalini is just here to burst out and you are just taking the Name of something much lower. That’s how we spoil our chakras. You’ll be amazed, those people who do Shiva puja in the hand, I’ve seen people who do Shiva puja in the hand. They’ll put the linga; turn on one head I don’t know what else they’ll do. Must be tying up their shendi somewhere and I don’t know what else they do. But whatever they do they worship God. They say: ‘Oh we have done this.’ Then they put so much of belapatras and thousands of belapatras and they’ll make people take out the belapatras with the bhaat and everything so that all of them will have doing this puja will have self, get into great sickness. All this nonsense they will do just to say: ‘Oh I have put one lakh of belapatra to Shiva. Now this kind of nonsense is taking you away not only from God but from good health also. All these rituals are of no value to you unless and until you know what is to be done in your case. There is no light supposing in this room. Now you have come to put a curtain here. Now you don’t know where is the window you don’t know where is the rail. Where will you put the curtain? You may put it there and it may be all spoilt. It is like that. You must know where is the problem. You must know how far to go with it. You must know how to correct it. It’s a knowledge. It’s not a blind man’s work. It has to be done with light within you to understand where is the problem. And that is how these people just give names. It is to such an extent that some people are charging three hundred pounds for one name and the name given is tinga and Inga. There are some foreigners here who have had this kind of a name also, and they were told that it should be without any meaning so it is even better. And then some of them have been told that if you pay three thousand pounds then you can fly in the air. I said put your guru on this leaning tower of Pisa and throw him down. Let us see if he can fly. If he can fly then you can fly. At least make the guru fly for a change. All such nonsensical ideas are given with this kind of a basic ignorance of people, that name cannot be given by anyone. Only thing is when the Kundalini is rising, you yourself should know where is the Kundalini and you should be able to raise it. Of course, at the time of Gyaneshwara we can say He gave a name to His sister, to a point. Because He knew she had a problem at a particular chakra He said: ‘Now you take this name.’ Only once. He didn’t give it to every Dick Tom and Harry. Here if you go to a place there is a big box kept, seva. For seva there’s a big box first of all, with a big slit. Supposing you have a big cheque or a big dollar note or something, it must go in straight. So, there is a big box of seva kept, you go and put the money there. You go there the guru is sitting at the seventh floor, who doesn’t know how to talk now who has had three heart attacks with sitting with a lumpy face and you go there and you get a name. Somebody comes and tells you in the name: ‘I’ve got the name.’ Then you can drink you can smoke you can smuggle you can do what you like. Doesn’t matter. There’s no transformation nothing. They are just the same as nonsensical people they are. This is not religion. The religion that doesn’t give you transformation doesn’t give you a personality has no meaning at all. It means your sustenance. And that is what is happening in also in so-called temples. I would say there are many places where we have, the Deities which are Realised, which give vibrations there are but I don’t want to tell you in Delhi because when I told them the fellow was sitting there made all the money. So, the thing is you cannot make money out of God. These vibrations are flowing free just like sunshine. You cannot make money. Money and God doesn’t go hand in hand. God doesn’t know any money business. You must know that He does not know that there is a way of creating money by just painting papers. This is impossible for anybody to get God through money. This is your own problem, this is human problem, this is human beings have created. You better deal with it. God has created this universe. How much money did you pay to become a human being from a monkey? How much money do you pay for sowing a seed in the soil, to the Mother Earth? Do you pay any money? How much money are we going to pay for our Realisation? What do you have, what is your, wealth, what can you pay? It is something so invaluable you can pay anything you like; you cannot pay what you have got in your Realisation. It is all God has given you. He has given you a beautiful Kundalini. He has given you your old yantra. He has given you your Spirit. Now what can you pay Him except for complete gratitude, for what He has done. Just to sing His Mahima to sing His glory that’s all you can do. But just to think that you can buy Him and purchase Him and also organise Him, is another foolishness and stupidity. You have to be sensible enough. Everything should be logically understood that how can you purchase God in the market. People asked me the other day the question: ‘Mother You have an ashram in London?’ Of course, surprising I could not establish in India, because they all wanted black money black money black money. I said: ‘Baba I have no black money and I do not want to pay any black money. I want to do it straight at least there should be one place without black money can’t you do it?’ At the last minute they would say: ‘Give us a bribe or give us a black money.’ And I could not establish a center till today in your great yoga country yogabhoomi India. But in London we have a center for which I don’t know these people have collected their own money, because they are paying for the rent of the house. They were paying the rent. They’re all paying the rent. They have combined together taken a house and they are paying the rent, finished. What money do you need, for what money do you need? You need, for this hall, supposing you need a money, all right little bit you can arrange a money and you do it. What is there to have the money for the Guru? A Guru if he’s poor he lives like a poor. Christ was a carpenter’s son. Did he collect any money for himself? If he is a rich man all right he can enjoy his wealth or he need not. If he’s a rich man it’s better that he should pay some money for this work, which I have to pay Myself sometimes. In the same way one has to understand that money cannot buy God. It is too valuable, it is so, great it is so prem and the one who wants God should not ask anything that is material, should not. Should ask for the parama ask for the highest, the central thing the tattwa the Principle of it, from which everything flows as I told you yesterday Krishna has said: ‘yoga kshema mahamayam.’ He did not say: ‘kshema yoga.’ You have to get your yoga by which your kshema will be worked out. All your problems, all your material problems all these things will be worked out and how they work out I’ll tell you tomorrow. How the Lakshmi tattwa is enlightened within you through the Nabhi chakra. But today I have talked to you about Swadishthana chakra. Now you must know that Swadishthana chakra is like a lotus, and the Deity of the Swadishthana chakra is Brahmadeva and Saraswati. It moves on both the sides, it can go in the inner areas also. It can move everywhere because it’s a very flexible stock, with which it moves so it manifests outside. In the gross the aortic plexus and it supplies all these areas with blood, but, the real energy comes from the subtle Swadishthana chakra which is placed in the spinal cord around the Nabhi chakra as you’ve seen. Now this Swadishthana chakra is to be looked after. In Delhi Swadishthana chakra is the first problem. Firstly, because you think too much. Secondly you think you are running the show. Thirdly the water of Delhi is not good. I’ve requested all the people, all the Sahaja Yogis to boil their water and drink it and never drink water outside. At the most if you have to drink then you can drink something bottled. But try to boil the water all the time to keep your Swadishthana chakra all right. It causes jaundice and all kinds of problems because water is the basis of Swadishthana chakra. So, if you try to spoil the Nabhi, Nabhi is the basis and if Nabhi gets spoiled then Swadishthana also gets spoiled. Because from Nabhi the Swadishthana chakra has arisen. Moreover, one has to know how to give balance to oneself, when the Swadishthana is out. Now on the Photograph or towards Me if you put your left hand like this, you have to move from left to the right, all right. By moving left, what you are doing you are awakening your left side, you are awakening your left side. You can do it now. Raise it from your left. Go higher and bring it down, you see? Now what you are doing is you are awakening your frozen left side. So, for your heart attack and all that it is very good, like that. Now from the top you are bringing down the power of Saraswati. By this you are giving power to the Swadishthana chakra which is absolutely tired. You do it seven times; you’ll feel very much better. By that your ego will come down also because it moves downward and it creates a space for superego to come in and a balance is established, do it seven times you’ll feel very much better, very much better you’ll feel. All of you should try. Because after that you’ll say: ‘Mother we have not got Realisation.’ Then I’m not going to listen to that. Please do it. It’s very simple. Now, now put your hands towards Me. Some of you will start feeling the cool breeze as it is. H H Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Public Program, New Delhi (India), 6 February 1981. [English from Hindi translation] You have requested to speak in Hindi. The thing is that it was decided that in this place I will speak in English. The reason for this is that till now I have not spoken anywhere in English in India and the guests who have come so far have not been able to hear my speech. So told them that here I will talk in English and when in temples or I think the speeches that are going to be held in the Vidyapeeth of Delhi will be in Hindi language only. So please, if you come in other speeches, then I will talk in Hindi. Hope you people do not feel bad because they are guests, a little bit of them should be taken care of. Although you all understand English a little bit and I do not speak such difficult English. If you have any questions then I will tell you. Sorry about these five-six lectures that I am going to give in English. [English Transcript] Yesterday I talked to you about the subtle centers, which exist within our being. The knowledge of this was known to Indians, to many Indians thousands of years back but, they did not disclose it. There were two types of people who became aware of the higher powers of Nature. One of them were the people who thought we may be able to excite, the Nature itself, so they started worshipping all the five elements, through the Veda mantras and all that. They tried to awaken the five mantras the result of which we see today is the manifestation of science, that they have been able to harness the energy of those five elements. The second type of people, who became aware that there must be some force which is giving us evolution, they started singing the praise of God in bhakti, and requesting God to Incarnate on this Earth. These were the bhakti margis (bhakti path followers). That is how, in the Virata, in the Primordial Being, there are two forces as there are in the human beings [as] I told you yesterday. One is the emotional force, which is the bhakti, which gives us existence. This is the force through which the whole Universe was conceived, was desired, and in our Sahaja Yoga terminology it is called as the ‘Mahakali Shakti’. On the right side of the Virata, as we have in the human beings, is the power of action where He uses all the five elements to create – is the power of Mahasaraswati according to Sahaja Yoga terminology. The third force, that did not operate so openly, started thousands and thousands of years back in this country, where people started giving Ishwara pranidhaan is the basic of hatha yoga. That is to establish Ishwara (God) within you. First the Ishwara must be established. The light of your Spirit, your Atma must be awakened, and then, the cleansing must be done. And people must be established into their Self-realisation. This line of action was taken for very, very few people, extremely few. So much so that after Buddha, when Vidditama, one of his disciples, went to Japan he started a cult called as Zen which is the same as Sahaja Yoga and there, they have mentioned that in six centuries they had only twenty-six kashayapas – means the ones who were Realised. Even Indra was given realisation. Even Brahmadeva was given realisation. So, it extends up to the date when Brahmadeva was created out of Shri Narayana, Shri Vishnu. To us, all these Deities are mythological things. Actually, they became mythological because when people started talking about the flower in which the honey was, people started worrying about the flower. They are more worried about the flower than the honey. So, then the people came up, like Buddha and Mahavira, who said, “Better not talk about the flower at all.” If you talk about the flower people get stuck up at that point. They go discussing, arguing and also getting into rituals which were dead. Just trying to do some kind of a dead work, and the progress of their being was completely, obliterated and they could not go any further with it. It was then desired that something should be done to overcome this hurdle of human beings by which they get stuck up to forms. So many people on this earth came as Gurus, as real Gurus, the manifestation of this great principle of the Primordial Master [which], as I told you yesterday is called as ‘Dattatreya’, came on this earth many-a-times. And they tried to establish within us our sustenance our dharma with this central force of evolution. It is only through establishment of sustenance that we can evolve. As I told you yesterday about: carbon has its own sustenance, gold has its own sustenance that, gold is not tarnishable; in the same way human beings have their own sustenance. These Gurus came on this earth to establish that sustenance within us. All of them are the incarnation of the same Spirit: like Raja Janaka, he came as Nanaka also Mohammed Sahib was the same personality; absolutely the same personality as Guru Nanak. There is no difference in their personality, just the same, that’s why Guru Nanaka came on this earth to tell people that you should not find (discriminate) on this basis of Hindu and Muslims. Because He realised as Mohammed Sahib that He had done a mistake. To tell people that all human beings are just the same and one should not, force things in this manner. Actually, the whole thing gets perverted as soon as the disciples take the place of the Gurus. Thus, we had the middle path built in by the Gurus, in the center of our being, called as The Void. The first chakra I told you about is the center of innocence. It is bestowed upon us by the Deity of Shri Ganesh. These Gurus did not talk of the Deities too much because, as I told you, people were talking more about the flower than about the honey so they said, “Talk about the nirakaar (formless) talk about the formless by which people will pay their attention to the formless.” But still it became talk and talk and talk. When they talked about the flower, people got stuck up with the talk about the flower and when they talked about the nirakaar and formless, they got stuck up with that. So, human beings are such that they get stuck up with their thoughts which are limited, coming from a limited area of their intelligence and their rationality. So, what was rational became a problem for saints to give realisation. So there again was a revival, at the time of Shankaracharya. Again, Nanaka came and talked of nirakaara. Like that they were trying to bring the people closer to reality by telling them, “Now forget this, now take to this,” “Forget this, take to this.” Somehow that, by giving up things, they might be able to reach the reality. Now the center of Mooladhara is a center, is the Mooladhara chakra. One has to understand the importance of this center being separated from Mooladhara itself. Mooladhara is the place where the Kundalini sits – is in the Sacrum, is in the bone called Sacrum. ‘Sacrum’ means sacred. That means even in Latin language it was called as a sacred bone. That means they knew that there was something sacred, holy, about this bone. It is said that when the body burns, the whole-body burns, seldom does this bone burn, and if it burns, it requires very tremendous heat. This triangular bone had this power within us which is the power of Kundalini, which creates the whole being still it remains the whole, that’s why it is called as a residual power of Kundalini. Now this Kundalini resides there for ages together and it comes back with you whenever you are born again. She’s your Mother. She has been your eternal Mother. She is your individual Mother. You do not share her motherhood with anybody else. She is the one who has loved you all your life and She’s anxiously waiting for a moment when She can give your second birth, your punyajanma. Now, such a Kundalini, how can She be dangerous? Many people have told me that they have read some books which say that Kundalini awakening is a very dangerous thing. I have also seen some of the very, very old books written – so big as that – with such ignorance, saying that Kundalini is in the stomach! I was surprised that, when you don’t know anything about it, why should you write? Kundalini is not there, She is in the Mooladhara, and the Mooladhara Chakra is protecting the Mooladhara. You can see with the naked eye, when you come to Sahaja Yoga, the pulsation of the Kundalini in the triangular bone if there is an obstruction above; but if there is no obstruction the Kundalini just shoots up. Now this Ganesha chakra is very important, as I told you yesterday, because the first thing that God created was innocence and this innocence is Shri Ganesh. It’s so delicate, it’s like a flower. If you try to play about with your innocence Ganesha just gets angry with you or He sleeps off. Now, these people who have described the Kundalini being troublesome or coming up as a lightning or giving you kriyas, as I told you yesterday, are the people who are naïve. They don’t know how to handle the Kundalini and that’s how they have made mistakes. By committing these mistakes, they have been so popular people like people who have committed mistakes and telling something wrong. All these things happen because you have no idea as to how to handle the Kundalini. It is Ganesha who gets angry, not the Kundalini. It is he sitting down there [that] informs the Kundalini that, “Now you can rise because there is somebody who has the authority to raise you.” Now Shri Ganesha is a very important deity within us. Shri Ganesha is made by Mother Earth. Mother Earth has created him. Mother Earth has got the power within itself as magnetism. Magnetism is the power of Mother Earth. This magnetism within us resides as Shri Ganesh. We too have this magnetism within us. The birds have this magnetism within them. The fishes have this magnetism within them. When the birds fly all the way from Siberia to India, how do they do it? How do they know the direction which way to fly? They have this magnet within themselves and that’s how they can fly. They are innocent, animals are innocent. Only the human beings have the freedom to completely destroy his or her innocence. A person who is absolutely innocent has a great sense of direction. As soon as he is misdirected, immediately he knows where it is wrong. But once the Kundalini awakens, he gets a [sense of] direction so enlightened within him that immediately he knows within himself that: this man is not a religious person, this man is a thug, this man is a good person or this man is a Realised soul. This center is very important for all of us. By God’s grace India has got a speciality as far as Shri Ganesha is concerned. As I told you yesterday that Indians, on the whole, are innocent people; on the whole they are innocent. But we have really tried to destroy it by getting sophisticated and over-intelligent. This center is to be preserved and to be maintained through Sahaja Yoga practice after Realisation. There are certain asanas which are to be done. There are certain mantras that are to be recited to keep this center alright. Now the second center that we have within us is the Nabhi, which is placed inside The Void. It is the second in creation, that’s why I call it the second. Through it arises the third center called as Swadishthana center. Now the Nabhi center has got ten petals, it has got ten petals. In the same way, the solar plexus, which is a gross expression of this subtle center, also has got ten petals or ten sub-plexuses. Now this center controls most of our digestion on the grosser level and basically it gives us evolutionary power by which we have evolved. Only through this center we have evolved to be human beings. In the animals or in the very, very small animals, even in the unicellular animals like amoeba, it acts like a seeking. They seek food. Basically, they seek food. As they grow better and better in their evolutionary process then their seeking changes from one to another. Even in the human beings the seeking has been first to overpower the nature, then overpower the human beings, then affluence, money, possessions, emotional possessions. All these seekings have been in human beings. They all came to you through Nabhi chakra. But as I told you yesterday: anybody who gives up the path of moderation, falls into the trap of left and right and goes into the two areas which are built within us. One on the left is called as the collective subconscious and the another one on the right hand side is called as the collective supraconscious. So, all the extremes of the Nabhi Chakra can be very, very difficult. For example, those people who fast, just for fasting sake: it’s alright, sometimes one should fast. In the name of God if you fast it is all wrong because God never wants you to fast. This is something wrong that you want to torture your body, for what? Like people who want to call God would like to sort of stand on their heads, stand on your one leg and do all kinds of torturing things. This is the way; we deny God’s existence and His love and His affection. If He is there, we are going to meet Him. What is there to fast and put him into trouble by making Him unhappy? If you want to make your mother unhappy you do it this way: “I will not eat my food.” And that’s how the mother gets very upset. So, there is no need for anybody to fast in the name of God. If you have to fast then you can fast for your health or for your stomach trouble because you have eaten too much – [that] is a different point. But there is no need to believe that fasting for God is a good thing. The fasting takes you more to the right hand side of the Nabhi Chakra by which a person might become a very dry personality, extremely dry. The more you fast the drier you become. Such a person the day he fasts actually they fast, thinking all the time about food. What thing are we going to eat while fasting what after are we going to eat. So, the attention is all towards food, no doubt. But this kind of a, pressure or zabardasti as you call it on yourself pushes your attention to the right hand side. By that you enter into the area of collective supra conscious. Fasting people become emotionally dried up, their emotions become dried up, because only the right hand side is the action towards it takes place, but the desire is not fulfilled, and that’s why the left hand side is frozen. You must have heard of so many, seers we have had so called rishis who were very hot tempered. They used to curse people they used to just bhasmisa just make them into basmas and they used to just curse such people. These were the people who developed the power of the surya as they said. Like surya they became because this was the surya nadi and they could by their power could just kill anybody they liked. Now this is a power which is extremely destructive. It does not give any kalyana to anyone. It is of no use, you become such a person that you look at someone and the person becomes ashes. Imagine, you have been made human beings, with such difficulty, from amoeba you have come to this stage, now anybody who tries to do such tricks is absolutely anti-God. He doesn’t understand the purpose of God, he doesn’t know where does he play his role, he becomes a destructive force. So, these are not powers but these are negative forces and how they work out, how these forces come into us that I will tell you later on. Now on the left-hand side the people who are too indulgent into food, they eat too much they are lethargic and they are all the time thinking about eating, eating and eating. Such people pass into the left-hand side. This is also a very dangerous state. When they go on to the left hand side much they are again attacked by the collective sub-conscious and you may develop any disease accordingly. But the third chakra which is Swadishthana, is very important, because this is the center which revolves round the Nabhi chakra, and the main work it has to do is to convert the fat cells from your stomach for the use of your brain. When you think, you have the use of the brain cells but they are to be replaced and this replacement is only done through the help of the Swadishthana chakra in the stomach. I think the medicine people do not know about it, if they had known about it they would have cured many diseases. Because it has to do this important work, and when you start thinking too much, planning too much, then the work of this poor Swadishthana chakra increases, to such an extent that it neglects other centers, other, you can say, the other functions that it has to perform. The other functions are that it has to look after the liver. Now liver is a very, very important organ within us. By liver we sort out all our poisons, all kinds of poisons are sorted out by liver, and the poisons are liberated in the blood stream as heat. When you have too many poisons in the body, then you get your temperature and it is evaporated from your skin. That is a natural way the liver throws out all the poisons within your body. But when the liver is out of gear it does not. Those people who suffer from liver do not get temperature. Cirrhosis of liver, even cancer has the same principle. In cancer also you do not get temperature. The heat of the body is not eliminated because cancer cannot be cured with the people who have such a bad liver. It cannot be sorted out because the poison of the body cannot be taken out and these people never get temperature. That’s why one can never know if one has cancer till it reaches absolutely a galloping stage. There you might get a pressure because of other reasons. But the first indication that a man gets from his body is the temperature which never rises with cancer. Now this same center Swadishthana is to do other jobs like looking after your spleen and your pancreas, your kidneys and your uterus. Now spleen is a very important organ again which we neglect in these modern times. One has to understand what is the specialty of spleen. Spleen is the speedometer within us. It controls our speed. These days if you find people speak so speedily that you don’t know how they are speaking it goes telescopically. They walk so fast that if they have to go to the station, you’ll find them in the other station. They are so ahead of time that it is impossible to connect them with the reality. Now this speedometer is the spleen. Supposing when you are having your food, we used to have a very good system even, in Bengal the husband would be sitting eating his food and the wife would be fanning him and the fanning would determine the speed of the person’s eating. Now, she used to control. And another thing is that, say even in Maharashtra people are eating they say saukash slowly, slowly, have the food slowly. They go on saying. It may look little funny to some people but it is so that saukash saukash go on slowly, there’s time, there’s time, don’t be in hurry. But these days the way we eat our food is responsible for creating problems like blood cancer within us. We do not realise how blood cancer is created within us because I told you yesterday, I will let you know how cancer is created. Now this spleen has to work out all the emergencies within us. Supposing we are eating our food and suddenly we have to run out. It is already producing more blood cells for the consumption of the food we are having. Then suddenly we want to run, we want to run then it has to produce more blood cells. Supposing at the time, many people have a habit of reading the newspaper at the time of eating the food, it’s very wrong idea. Absolutely. Because you know newspaper are the most ashuba things that you can think of in this world. One should not read any newspaper in the morning if you listen to Me. They’re absolutely inauspicious, because they always give something horrible on the front page. It’s all so sensational that they don’t want to give anything that is good. And once I had an interview with one of the journalists and I said: ‘Why don’t you give something about Sahaja Yoga, because we are doing good work. People are getting out of their drugs and they are getting cured and all that.’ He said: ‘This is doing good; you see it’s good but this is no sensation see.’ They said that when the plane arrives in time in London nobody announces it but if there is a mishap then only, we announce, otherwise we don’t. So, if you read such horrible news at that time or open the TV at that time where you see a horrid face or some sort of a horrid idea immediately your speedometer being sensitive thing starts producing more blood cells for the emergency, God knows what emergency has come up. With this, the speedometer becomes really crazy becomes mad it doesn’t know what to produce when to produce. It loses its control with the whole and it starts producing blood cells which are crazy blood cells. These blood cells like mad start attacking other blood cells and that’s how the blood cancer is produced. It is triggered as I told you by the attack from the left collective sub-conscious. As I told you yesterday it happens like that. So, one has to realise that this kind of madness of speeding up yourself is not needed. What is the need? I have seen people, they’ll be all right, but before the plane has to leave about three hours before that suddenly goes wrong in them, suddenly. They go mad. They forget this, forget that forget everything, land up there without passport without their money without anything. Till three hours they’re all right. Suddenly the idea that they have to go they go crazy. This is also the work of speedometer which spoils your sense of judgment sense of stability and you start behaving as if you have gone mad and anybody who sees people at the airport, I get really frightened the way they are. They don’t know where they are going what’s happening to them there’s nothing to be so frightened about. What is there to be so much worried? I mean I have never worried about time all My life. I have never missed a plane; I’ve never missed a train. I don’t know why to worry. After all, if you have to miss it, you’ll miss it. Mostly I have seen people plan out to miss to leave things at home. Most of those people who plan out too much always miss things at home and also miss the plane. Is a common thing or they will not find out if the plane is out, or is not coming or something like that. This is one of the examples I have told you because these days people try to save the time. You are trying to save the time. Everybody seems to be trying to save the time. Somebody said that: ‘I must go to London can you arrange my passage?’ I said: ‘I don’t know anybody in this airlines people I don’t know how will I help?’ ‘No no no you must arrange a relation of mine.’ I said: ‘Why what is the need for you to go to London fast? After all you can go tomorrow it’s all right doesn’t matter whenever you get the seat you can go what is such a hurry? I mean at least the government of Britain is not going to fall down. Maybe Indian government, many government servants think that the Indian government is there because of them. It’s all right. I don’t mind they admit but even English government is not going to fall out because of you what is such a hurry?’ He said: ‘No no no I have to go there because I have to attend a ball’. So, you can imagine all this time saving and all this horrible thing is to waste time there. People try to save their time just to go for a discotheque or for a drinking party. Just imagine they must go in right time for a drinking party. What is for a drunkard whether you go earlier or later. In any case you’ll get drunk, no problem, and others who are drunk will not know when you came or when you went away. So, there is no need to hurry up so much. That doesn’t mean that you should be always late at a place, I don’t mean that but one should not hurry up. You’ll be much more in time if you do not hurry up. You’ll be just in time if you do not hurry up. It is better not to hurry than to be such a slave of your watches because the time that is to be saved, is not for all these nonsensical things but is an urge from within to save the time for meditation. The time has come for us, to get our Realisation and to meditate within ourselves and to grow within ourselves and to transform into the new awareness of God’s Realisation. This is why we are seeking the time. That’s why we have to have the watch to know how many hours are there left for us to meditate. This urge has been misunderstood by human beings and they are misusing it for some another purpose. I’m sure after sometime they will realise because this kind of madness leads to horrible diseases. Another disease that people normally suffer from specially in Delhi is very common, is diabetes. Diabetes is caused because the same center, which is using its power to supply the cells the fat cells for your brain has to look after also the pancreas. Now the pancreas is the one which digests your sugars. Now if all the time you are thinking all the time, you’re planning then what can the poor one center do? It cannot work out the pancreas and that’s how only the so-called educated and planners get diabetes. It’s a balancing. Because they use too much of their right side and the left side is completely frozen, what happens that all their left side problems start. The nature takes its respite. It tries to teach you through these methods. If you do not understand that you have to lead a balanced life the other problems can crop up like kidney troubles. But the worst of all is the heart attack. Only a person who works very hard, thinks too much of himself and thinks that he’s the one who is the support of the whole kingdom and the one who stands like Girdhariji with the finger in his hand, all such people are apt to get heart attacks. Absolutely no doubt about it. Because they work so hard. They work out their right side and don’t worry about their left side. The left side goes to a point. Another type is the type which worries too much about their physical body, physical health, like hatha yoga, now so-called hatha yoga of the modern times. If you do too much of exercises and too much of physical exercises you neglect your Spirit which is your heart. There’s no balance between your heart and the Spirit. The heart is all the time working for giving you more blood for these horrible exercises that you are doing. There’s no need for you to take out all your intestines and put them back. Some people do such horrible, these exercises, I don’t know for what. What is the need to do such exercises indiscriminately? Of course, in Sahaja Yoga also after Realisation you have to do certain asanas according to the need of the chakras. If the Swadishthana chakra is caught up on the left side or right side, there are certain asanas one has to do. But if you do at that time some other chakra, other exercise you’ll spoil it first, because you spoil that center which is all right because it is all right why are you bending it. And the another one which is spoilt is not attended to. There’s a big knowledge about it. I should say there’s a big science about all these things. If you do not know that and if you just do it indiscriminately it would be that you just have a little cold and you are taking all the medicines right from cancer up to TB. This is so indiscriminate, doing all the asanas all the time and then end up your life with a heart attack. Those who pay too much attention also outside get a heart attack. Actually, these are all ego-oriented people. You see on the right-hand side when you think too much, when you use the right side you develop your ego. It can be very subtle. It can go very subtler. If you hear of a person, he’s a great gentleman know that there’s a very cunning ego there, because he knows that you have to be very polite with your ego otherwise people will know that you are egoistical, so they are extremely humble. Ego can only disappear when you get Realisation. Before that ego exists in a subtler and a subtlest form. After Realisation when the Kundalini rises, She sucks in both the ego and superego and you become the Self. This happening has to take place; otherwise we live with ego all the time. Krishna realised it long time back. Six thousand years back Krishna realised it that people cannot give up ego easily, [SOUNDS LIKE: tere kire], it’s not simple to explain to them that you have ego. Because if you tell somebody you will have it, so is better to do it in a way that they would understand and that’s how the whole Gita is nothing but a great diplomacy of Shri Krishna, the great Incarnation the complete Incarnation of diplomacy. He has played tricks with Arjuna and you are all still playing the tricks, you are still with it. When He said that: ‘Get the gyana’, means that your awareness must be enlightened you must get your enlightenment. That is the first thing He said. He’s not a shopkeeper so He said the direct thing that you get your enlightenment; get your gyana, that’s the first thing He said. Gyana means not reading the books but gyana means, your attention must be enlightened, your awareness must be enlightened. You should become a gyani means you know, just by feeling on your fingers you can know what is the problem with you and what is the problem of others. You become. It’s not question of just giving a lecture to people that: ‘Do this and do that and do this.’ But it just happens to you that you just become, and this is what He has said that: ‘You become the gyana.’ Now, Arjuna asked that: ‘You are saying that you become a sakshi and a gyani and here You are saying that you go and fight in the war.’ You see when you are Realised you fight in the war you don’t fight. You just see as a sakshi. You are just used as an instrument of God to fight the horrible people. But he did not understand. He did not understand this subtle point, so Krishna tried a trick on him. He said: ‘All right. What you do is to do your karma and put it at the Lotus Feet of the Lord,’ which is an impossible situation, is an absurd condition. This is the best way of diplomacy, to put an absurd condition so they fall into their own traps. He said: ‘You do all the karmas of the world and put it at the Lotus Feet of God Almighty. Now it’s an absurd condition can never happen. But many people believe in this Brahma, that: ‘Mother we’ll do all the work and put it at the Lotus Feet of the Lord’. You cannot. In a subtler way you may say, rationally you may say with your mouth you may say but you cannot because the ego exists within you. It is there. Now how to get rid of the ego? If you fight with it, it will become even bigger, just like a balloon if you fight with it, it goes bigger and bigger and bigger, and some people have an ego so big that if looking at them I sometimes find that it might grow into a horn. It can be horribly bad. You see people have, ego in the places, like India most surprisingly when we get the idea of getting developed we should know the people who have done that job in the west have got such an ego-oriented personality that they want to run away from this ego morning till evening. They are so fed-up with it that when we are trying to develop ourselves, we are just doing it by increasing our ego. When we work out our right side our ego develops as a by-product and this surrounds our heart. It surrounds our heart. A man who gets egoistical becomes so much dry he cannot talk to anyone properly. As I told you they bark. They suddenly become so dry that if they have to talk to someone, they think that it is too much to talk to someone who is so low. They start feeling that they are very high people; they are of very great positions. They are very rich and these are all low people. All such nonsensical ideas start cropping into their heart and their heart becomes all enveloped with ego. Then it goes to a point where the ego becomes too much then you get a heart attack. All those people who say Gayatri mantra without any authority, working on the right-hand side also. If you say your Gayatri mantra without any authority you will get a very weak heart. All such people will get heart troubles. Now it is important for all of us to know what is the problem with us and how to look after ourselves. We should not try to put our attention outside to such an extent that we neglect our heart. If God has given us say some position, must know that you must love. Must have your emotions. For example, I’ve seen Government servants in Delhi, because My husband has been a Government servant all his life I know. They have no time for their wives and no time for their children. They are so busy you know you never see their faces in the daytime. You have to always put the light on and if you see them in the daytime you don’t recognise them. Once they wear their pants they are out of gear. You can’t talk to them except for five-year plan which has failed many-a-times. So, these people should know that you must spend some time with your emotions, with your family with your children, with other people. Have some loving rapport with other people of the society. Look after that side also. Those people who do not do such things are in for trouble. I have told so many people that be careful, that you should not get a heart attack. There are some gurus who are very good at giving heart attacks. There are many gurus who just give a heart attack to the husband whose wife is his devotee. Is very common feature of many gurus who gave a heart attack to the partner of his devotees so that he gets all the money, all the property and the wife of the husband at his lotus feet. All such things should be avoided. We have to be affectionate, we have to be kind, we have to control our tongue and be sweet to others and nice to others. Not that thinking if you are nice to anyone you are doing something great. We have to be generous people. We have to give as much as we can we should give. What is there to feel we are doing anything for anyone. This is the greatest subtlest ego that people think: ‘We are serving the nation, or we are serving the poor. Who is serving who, who is the other? If this finger is serving this finger do you say that: ‘I am serving this finger?’ Who is the other? If they are all the part and parcel of the whole of One Primordial Being then you are just helping yourself, you are not helping anybody else. But this is only possible when you get your Realisation. Without Realisation all this talk is talk, talk, talk, and talk and talk. If you have to have any such idea that by just telling yourself you’ll forget it you cannot. You have to have your Realisation by which you become another person. Then how you talk. What Krishna has said that you become akarma. The akarma becomes in. Then you just don’t feel you are doing anything. For example, now if you have a Sahaja Yogi here and if you ask him to awaken your Kundalini, he’ll just tell Me: ‘Mother it doesn’t come up. It doesn’t come up. It doesn’t go. It doesn’t…’ He doesn’t say: ‘I am not doing it’. He doesn’t say so. It becomes an akarma. He doesn’t have to say that: ‘I have done this Realisation. I have cured this person.’ No. He said: ‘She’s not getting cured. The Kundalini is not rising. The Realisation could not be established. This is going wrong’. Because the whole concept of doing the work is finished as soon as you become a hollow personality. There’s a beautiful story of Shri Krishna and Radha. Once Radhaji felt jealous of the Murali and She said that: ‘Oh Lord why do have this Murali all the time at your lips, what is so special about her?’ She went and asked Murali about it. Murali smiled and she said: ‘Don’t You know that my speciality is that I have no speciality. I am a hollow person. He plays and the whole thing flows through me, I see that. People say the Murali is playing. I laugh at it. It is He who is playing through me. I become a hollow personality.’ In the same way, when the akarma is established, you become That. Same about the bhakti. When people start singing too much like mad you see: ‘Unless and until I see You I’ll cut my throat, or jump before the, fast-moving train,’ and all those things when you try such tricks you must know that you’ll be attacked by some possession. Some people dance like mad thinking that they have got God in them. God doesn’t dance that way. Some people get bhoots into themselves and they say that Devi has come into me. Devi, to be borne in the body is not an easy thing. It needs a special type of a body to have thirty-five crores of Gods to be settled in the body, to manage the thirty-five crores of chakras. Is not easy for the Devi to enter into any Dick Tom and Harry and to make the person dance. Moreover, one has to know that if you have got the Devi tattwa or if you are a Realised soul, you become completely controlled with yourself. You do not dance as the so-called Devi or so-called bhoot comes into you and makes you dance. Anybody who does anything out of control or anything that happens out of control one must know is not done by you but by somebody else because you have lost your possession and somebody else has possessed you. It’s a very, very common practice of all these fake gurus. They’ll give you a mantra. Now this is another thing I’ll have to talk about because today somebody requested Me, is a very common practice of people giving Nama. I don’t know from where they get this idea. This is something I just can’t understand. Nama was given to people at the time when they had a particular chakra’s catch. For example, say nahbi chakra say is caught. Then they would say that: ‘Take the name of Vishnu or Laxshmi Narayan whatever may be the case. Or supposing your void is, then they may say: ‘Say Mahaguru or say Guru’s Name and all that.’ But that’s a different thing when the Guru is a Realised soul He knows where is your problem. But how can you give that name permanently to someone? It is impossible because the Kundalini moves. As soon as you take the Name of the Guru the Kundalini will move upward. If there is an obstruction you have to take the Name of the Deity that is here. If there is no obstruction It will move here. If there is an obstruction here you have to take the Name here. It’s a living Force. I told you it’s a living God and it’s a living Force. It doesn’t stay. It’s not static permanently at a place that you go on saying the same thing again and again. Maybe your Kundalini is just here to burst out and you are just taking the Name of something much lower. That’s how we spoil our chakras. You’ll be amazed, those people who do Shiva puja in the hand, I’ve seen people who do Shiva puja in the hand. They’ll put the linga; turn on one head I don’t know what else they’ll do. Must be tying up their shendi somewhere and I don’t know what else they do. But whatever they do they worship God. They say: ‘Oh we have done this.’ Then they put so much of belapatras and thousands of belapatras and they’ll make people take out the belapatras with the bhaat and everything so that all of them will have doing this puja will have self, get into great sickness. All this nonsense they will do just to say: ‘Oh I have put one lakh of belapatra to Shiva. Now this kind of nonsense is taking you away not only from God but from good health also. All these rituals are of no value to you unless and until you know what is to be done in your case. There is no light supposing in this room. Now you have come to put a curtain here. Now you don’t know where is the window you don’t know where is the rail. Where will you put the curtain? You may put it there and it may be all spoilt. It is like that. You must know where is the problem. You must know how far to go with it. You must know how to correct it. It’s a knowledge. It’s not a blind man’s work. It has to be done with light within you to understand where is the problem. And that is how these people just give names. It is to such an extent that some people are charging three hundred pounds for one name and the name given is tinga and Inga. There are some foreigners here who have had this kind of a name also, and they were told that it should be without any meaning so it is even better. And then some of them have been told that if you pay three thousand pounds then you can fly in the air. I said put your guru on this leaning tower of Pisa and throw him down. Let us see if he can fly. If he can fly then you can fly. At least make the guru fly for a change. All such nonsensical ideas are given with this kind of a basic ignorance of people, that name cannot be given by anyone. Only thing is when the Kundalini is rising, you yourself should know where is the Kundalini and you should be able to raise it. Of course, at the time of Gyaneshwara we can say He gave a name to His sister, to a point. Because He knew she had a problem at a particular chakra He said: ‘Now you take this name.’ Only once. He didn’t give it to every Dick Tom and Harry. Here if you go to a place there is a big box kept, seva. For seva there’s a big box first of all, with a big slit. Supposing you have a big cheque or a big dollar note or something, it must go in straight. So, there is a big box of seva kept, you go and put the money there. You go there the guru is sitting at the seventh floor, who doesn’t know how to talk now who has had three heart attacks with sitting with a lumpy face and you go there and you get a name. Somebody comes and tells you in the name: ‘I’ve got the name.’ Then you can drink you can smoke you can smuggle you can do what you like. Doesn’t matter. There’s no transformation nothing. They are just the same as nonsensical people they are. This is not religion. The religion that doesn’t give you transformation doesn’t give you a personality has no meaning at all. It means your sustenance. And that is what is happening in also in so-called temples. I would say there are many places where we have, the Deities which are Realised, which give vibrations there are but I don’t want to tell you in Delhi because when I told them the fellow was sitting there made all the money. So, the thing is you cannot make money out of God. These vibrations are flowing free just like sunshine. You cannot make money. Money and God doesn’t go hand in hand. God doesn’t know any money business. You must know that He does not know that there is a way of creating money by just painting papers. This is impossible for anybody to get God through money. This is your own problem, this is human problem, this is human beings have created. You better deal with it. God has created this universe. How much money did you pay to become a human being from a monkey? How much money do you pay for sowing a seed in the soil, to the Mother Earth? Do you pay any money? How much money are we going to pay for our Realisation? What do you have, what is your, wealth, what can you pay? It is something so invaluable you can pay anything you like; you cannot pay what you have got in your Realisation. It is all God has given you. He has given you a beautiful Kundalini. He has given you your old yantra. He has given you your Spirit. Now what can you pay Him except for complete gratitude, for what He has done. Just to sing His Mahima to sing His glory that’s all you can do. But just to think that you can buy Him and purchase Him and also organise Him, is another foolishness and stupidity. You have to be sensible enough. Everything should be logically understood that how can you purchase God in the market. People asked me the other day the question: ‘Mother You have an ashram in London?’ Of course, surprising I could not establish in India, because they all wanted black money black money black money. I said: ‘Baba I have no black money and I do not want to pay any black money. I want to do it straight at least there should be one place without black money can’t you do it?’ At the last minute they would say: ‘Give us a bribe or give us a black money.’ And I could not establish a center till today in your great yoga country yogabhoomi India. But in London we have a center for which I don’t know these people have collected their own money, because they are paying for the rent of the house. They were paying the rent. They’re all paying the rent. They have combined together taken a house and they are paying the rent, finished. What money do you need, for what money do you need? You need, for this hall, supposing you need a money, all right little bit you can arrange a money and you do it. What is there to have the money for the Guru? A Guru if he’s poor he lives like a poor. Christ was a carpenter’s son. Did he collect any money for himself? If he is a rich man all right he can enjoy his wealth or he need not. If he’s a rich man it’s better that he should pay some money for this work, which I have to pay Myself sometimes. In the same way one has to understand that money cannot buy God. It is too valuable, it is so, great it is so prem and the one who wants God should not ask anything that is material, should not. Should ask for the parama ask for the highest, the central thing the tattwa the Principle of it, from which everything flows as I told you yesterday Krishna has said: ‘yoga kshema mahamayam.’ He did not say: ‘kshema yoga.’ You have to get your yoga by which your kshema will be worked out. All your problems, all your material problems all these things will be worked out and how they work out I’ll tell you tomorrow. How the Lakshmi tattwa is enlightened within you through the Nabhi chakra. But today I have talked to you about Swadishthana chakra. Now you must know that Swadishthana chakra is like a lotus, and the Deity of the Swadishthana chakra is Brahmadeva and Saraswati. It moves on both the sides, it can go in the inner areas also. It can move everywhere because it’s a very flexible stock, with which it moves so it manifests outside. In the gross the aortic plexus and it supplies all these areas with blood, but, the real energy comes from the subtle Swadishthana chakra which is placed in the spinal cord around the Nabhi chakra as you’ve seen. Now this Swadishthana chakra is to be looked after. In Delhi Swadishthana chakra is the first problem. Firstly, because you think too much. Secondly you think you are running the show. Thirdly the water of Delhi is not good. I’ve requested all the people, all the Sahaja Yogis to boil their water and drink it and never drink water outside. At the most if you have to drink then you can drink something bottled. But try to boil the water all the time to keep your Swadishthana chakra all right. It causes jaundice and all kinds of problems because water is the basis of Swadishthana chakra. So, if you try to spoil the Nabhi, Nabhi is the basis and if Nabhi gets spoiled then Swadishthana also gets spoiled. Because from Nabhi the Swadishthana chakra has arisen. Moreover, one has to know how to give balance to oneself, when the Swadishthana is out. Now on the Photograph or towards Me if you put your left hand like this, you have to move from left to the right, all right. By moving left, what you are doing you are awakening your left side, you are awakening your left side. You can do it now. Raise it from your left. Go higher and bring it down, you see? Now what you are doing is you are awakening your frozen left side. So, for your heart attack and all that it is very good, like that. Now from the top you are bringing down the power of Saraswati. By this you are giving power to the Swadishthana chakra which is absolutely tired. You do it seven times; you’ll feel very much better. By that your ego will come down also because it moves downward and it creates a space for superego to come in and a balance is established, do it seven times you’ll feel very much better, very much better you’ll feel. All of you should try. Because after that you’ll say: ‘Mother we have not got Realisation.’ Then I’m not going to listen to that. Please do it. It’s very simple. Now, now put your hands towards Me. Some of you will start feeling the cool breeze as it is. H H Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

2/7/1981

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Public Program, New Delhi (India) 7 February 1981. Please sit very comfortably that’s very important. There should be no strain on a particular part of the body. For example, when you are sitting sometimes your feet might feel little bit numbed down, you can change the posture. You need not carry on with any extreme effort or any discomfort to yourself, that’s first thing you must remember. Moreover, some of the people go into tense postures also by stretching their hands too straight or sometimes going very straight or pushing their head behind. Sometimes they bend their heads also bit too much also. Sit very comfortably, with both the hands on your lap in a very comfortable way. There should be nothing extreme to be done from outside. We have to understand the principle of this living process. Then you will know that why I say: “No use doing any such extreme thing to achieve your goal”.The principle is like this: that this room is all dirty supposing or it’s in a chaos, or maybe it’s in darkness completely, you can’t see anything. So, you enter inside the room. Your goal is to achieve the enlightenment. Some people will say that: “Let us clean the room in darkness with blindness”. You start cleaning your body you don’t know what you are cleaning! So, there is no need to bother about cleaning when you are blind. Some people think: “If you clear your mind before Realization you will be better off.”You have tried all those things, but in doing so, you have gone to extremes. It’s all blindness, all your work is done in darkness, there is no enlightenment. You have to get your enlightenment first, this is what I have realized that unless and until human beings are enlightened they cannot cleanse themselves properly, they cannot understand Sahaja Yoga, they cannot understand God, they cannot understand, feel their Spirit, nothing is possible unless and until they are enlightened. It is possible then, when you get the enlightenment, you might find that the light is not coming through properly, there is some shaking in the bulb or maybe there is some shaking in the shade or maybe that the room is dirty, that you cannot see things clearly, that you cannot see your image in the mirror, your eyes are weak. For all this you need a bright light. But without getting the light itself, without knowing something about what you have got within yourself, how are you going to cleanse yourself? Of course, the light may be dim but still you can see what is the problem, what is to be done, what is to be cleared out. That’s why enlightenment is the first thing.Now for this, even if you clean the whole room, even if you do all that, you have not done the perfect job. On the contrary you might break some things, you might spoil some things, you may slip down, anything can happen in darkness that’s what happens to people when they do any sadhana blindly. After your enlightenment you know your way through, you know how to go about it and you understand everything. Then another myth we have is that if we cleanse our mind, we can achieve our spirituality, you can’t. Even if this room may be clean unless and until there is light there cannot be enlightenment. So, the main thing is you have to have an enlightenment. I have known people who lead very clean and a good life. When they get enlightenment, they get it very fast and have it nicely established, very easily and it is there. But some of the people who lead a very clean and a good life have overdone it to such an extent that they have an ego about it, they think: “I don’t want anything, I am perfect, I do no wrong, I am committing no problem, I am a very happy person”. Such people also get stuck because they do not want the higher things of life. They do not want their Spirit to be enlightened so that also sometimes become a very sticky point. Now in Sahaja Yoga, you have to know that you have the power within yourself. It is there, it exists there, and it is to be just awakened. In some people, it takes time to be awakened. In thousands I have seen it takes no time. The only thing that I would suggest is to keep your mind open, not to become obstinate about things. If you are an obstinate person, the Kundalini is even a greater obstinate thing. Do not be obstinate, just keep yourself open, do not argue it out by argument or by thinking about it, the Kundalini is not going to be awakened. On the contrary when the Kundalini is awakened your thoughts settle down to such an extent that you feel there is no thought coming to you from your subconscious or from your supraconscious. So, try to keep yourself absolutely open and don’t worry even if your vibrations are not felt.The principle is that light is light and the room is room. The light has nothing to do with the room. Only thing, when the light is enlightened, it enlightens the room. The room has something to do with the light, but the light has nothing to do: whether the room is there or not, light exists. In the same way, we must understand that the relationship with the atman and our body our Spirit and our, this body, mind, and our ego, superego. So many of you must have done lot of tapasyas and lot of things which were not really wanted, thinking that you have done such a lot, you have been to so many places, you have done so much “tirtha yatra” [acetic; journey] you have been to so many pilgrimages and those pilgrimages and all these places, you think according to you, it should be blissful to you. But actually, while going there, you did not know how to get the bliss from those temples and those places which are holy actually in nature but are surrounded by people who are extremely negative. Because of that, that mixture was there and sometimes instead of getting the bliss you get the headaches. 7:23Today we are going to discuss the Void what we call Void in Sahaja Yoga is different from the way people talk of void. Void is the complete visceral cavity which is called in Sahaja Yoga language as Bhavasagara. Many a times, you must have heard people singing songs poets singing songs saying “Bhavasagara se para utaru” What is this Bhavasagara? This is the symbol or this is the reflection of the whole entire universe that is created. All this universe is created by Brahmadeva. He is the one who is the creator, who is a “raksna yeta” [unsure] of this world, who created this beautiful universe, in that especially he created the Mother earth. He has placed the Moon and the Sun on both the sides of this Mother earth and the representatives of the Mother earth within us is the Kundalini, the Mooladhara.Now this universe exists within us, that is the Bhavasagara. This Bhavasagara exists in many stages in its evolutionary form and today it is Kali Yuga in this Bhavasagara. I would say it is the dawn of Satya Yuga and the end of Kali Yuga. And this Bhavasagara is placed in the center - is the center of Nabhi, Nabhi charka. And around it, moves the center of Swadishthana. Nabhi chakra as you know is governed by Shri Lakshmi as the power of Shri Vishnu and the Swadishthana moves around it, which delimits our own personality, and which creates all these different stars within us or the planets within us. In these spaces, Void, are born the incarnations of the Primordial Master who is called as Dattatreya. Dattatreya is the innocence of Shiva of – “Vibrations itni hai ikura” [Vibrations are so cool]- of Brahmadeva and of Shri Vishnu. Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, the essence of these, the innocence of these is embodied in the form of Dattatreya, who is the Primordial Master. So, these masters who are born on this Earth are innocence at its best, all integrated together.These masters have incarnated on this Earth mainly ten times, but there have been many others incarnations also, there have been repetitions just to correct themselves. As I told you yesterday that Mohammad Saab and Nanaka are both the same personalities of Dattatreya. The instance is given, in the life of Guru Nanaka, when he was sleeping people told him that your feet are towards Mecca, Kaaba towards Kaaba. He said: “Alright I’ll remove my feet and put wherever you say”. Then they put his feet towards the other side and again they found that his feet were facing towards Kaaba. Then he said: “Tell me the place where there is no Kaaba, I’ll put my feet!” But they couldn’t arrange it at all, because wherever he placed his feet, it was such a Maya, that always they found that the feet were towards Kaaba. Now Kaaba is a place where you have a beautiful Shiva linga, which is called as Mekkaeshwar Shiva in our Puranas. From ancient times it is mentioned that, there is a pinda which is absolutely Vibrating and which is there.Now Mohammad Saab religiously avoided talking about that. He only said: “If this stone can be so godly, why not human beings be?” But he did not explain much as it is whatever he tried to explain, the people were so insensitive and so cruel that they tried to kill him many a times, they gave to him poison, ultimately, he died in a very, very bad state. They tortured his life, they were lunatic people, they used to live in tribes and very tribal by nature. And they - he tried his level best to propagate that there is God and God is above all and I am the messenger of God, but they would not listen to him.Then came, you know Nanaka who preached that there should be no enmity between Hindus and Muslims, he preached that, because he saw the Muslims behaving in such a manner, they were such fanatics and they had become so funny that he could not understand how is it? These are the people whom I have made Muslims and what are they doing here? Actually Musalman means the person who is realized and Peer is a person whose realization is established so much so that he said that those who have become Musalman should be buried and not burnt, because he thought they are all realized souls, but realization finished off with his son in law and his daughter, after that he had two sons who were great souls who are really the reincarnations of Lov and Kush. Now perhaps we do not know what happened to Luv and Kush when they were born. Luv and Kush when their mother disappeared in the Mother Earth and the father, they were little annoyed with them, went in the North one went to Caucasus and another went to China. Luv went to Caucasus and from there he became a very powerful king in Russia. Russians always use Sanskrit language; we do not know how much Sanskrit they use; for example, they will say kharoshou means Harushivaye the Pravada itself the word Pravada vda is to say pra means enlightened. You see their language, it’s full of Sanskrit words, practically it is absolutely based on Sanskrit and you’d say slaws people…slaws, so lov sla… Luv ruled there for years together and about four hundred years back, his very descendants flew away from there, went to Iran, where there is a Goddess. Goddess Hindolika’s temple is there which is all described in the Puranas, where they used to worship Goddess Hindolika, from there they came down and spread all over, it’s a big story. Then Kush went to China, that’s how you have Kushan in China and Chinese language is very much near Sanskrit and quite close to Marathi language, it’s more surprising if you hear them talking, for example they say; Ma tza tum, tza is only there in Marathi language they use this word tza, we never say in Hindi tza or in any other language you won’t find it tza but only in Chinese and in Marathi language they have this word, tza.It’s very interesting to see, how the spirituality has spread into these countries and then how it died out. All these things happened, but then they were born again and again, they were born as Mahavira and Buddha, they are the same, they are born as Markendeya, they are born as Kabira, as Adi Shankaracharya, it was Buddha who was born as Adi Shankaracharya just to correct himself, Buddha was shocked the way people were going, there was Nirakara that he had be born as Shankaracharaya to tell people, oh God, what are you doing? It was only Buddha who came to correct himself as Shankaracharaya, it is so surprising, that people are fighting, Buddhist and Hindus are great enemies of each other, but they do not know that the person who really re-established Hinduism was the same who established Buddhism. So, imagine the same personality coming again and again on this Earth tries to correct his disciples again finds that there are two groups he has created, it’s a big problem.Now Mahavira also was one of them, who was born again and again and he was Markendeya and he was Kabira, the way Kabira lashes people you can see that he is tremendous, he is like Bhairava and the power of Bhairava, Kabira has used in his language, but for Hindi poets it is Sadhukadi and they have made fun of it. The best thing of a person who doesn’t want to face reality, is to make fun of everyone, that is the best way, they said what is this talk Ida, Pingla, Sushumna? Who is he? What does he think of himself? But he was appreciated very much, by the saints and especially by Guru Nanaka, who included all his poetry in his Grantha sahib; he’s included so many of these poetry from all the realized souls from Maharashtra, also. But I wonder how many Sikhs know that this was for getting realization, he thought, if you write an Upanishad, [not clear] they try to correct everything just to make people understand that you have to get to it. First, they thought that if you write Gita, they go on remembering Gita by heart. Then, they thought it is better, that you write something from the realized souls only together, so that it is a powerful Grantha by which people when they read it they get Vibrations and they’ll stick to it, but it is not so, even there people are just reading it. I don’t know how?Gradually as we were revolving, we were losing our sensitivity. At least in the time of Rama, people knew he was an incarnation. At the time of Krishna, they knew he was an incarnation. Many people know, of course, Raksasha knew also that they were incarnations; raksasha’s even today know who the incarnation, they are very sure of it and they are just frightened of, but in those days, even common people knew who is an incarnation. Now the sensitivity among human beings started getting reduced and reduced as they got involved into fanaticism, all kinds of tantrism that developed in this country of ours, in other countries also, tremendous movement was there to create fanatics and these fanatics are diseased people, they are diseased, they are actually the people who are possessed absolutely possessed, they are not normal people when they talk, you are surprised, how can they talk like that? When they do not know anything about it, but thank God today, fanaticism has reached such a stage that the younger people are understanding the nonsense of it.It’s a very good chance for Sahaja Yoga to come up. In Sahaja Yoga, the beauty is this, that you cannot now form a cult as soon as you try to do such a thing, you lose your vibrations, you try any such tricks, you try to be fanatic you will be losing all your vibrations, any tricks you try with Sahaja Yoga first thing you will lose your vibrations, you won’t like it, you won’t be happy with it, you would like to keep your vibrations going, smooth, smoothly and nicely so that you feel absolutely happy about it and joyous, but anybody who tries any tricks with Sahaja Yoga, you get into problem.Now these Gurus came on this Earth to remove fanaticism, the last of them came as Shirdi Sai Nath, he was the one who had said very clearly, in Marathi he had said it, that to speak ill of any other religion is sin, is sin, nothing can be more powerful than that. There are many people who worship Sai Nath, many people, but they drink, he was against drinking, all of them were against drinking, why were they against drinking because the awareness is spread in your void. The awareness, the Chitta, the attention is in your void and is nourished by your liver. The liver takes out all the poison from your awareness, due to bad health, due to bad mind, due to anything from bad effects or negativity and then it clears out as I told you yesterday. So, this awareness within us gets, you know that our awareness, human awareness goes down through drinking, these people preach that you should not drink. I mean that’s the one thing that they all preached together, that you should not drink. At the time of Mohammad Saab there was no smoking, so Guru Nanaka also [not clear] this time you found people smoking with big big hookah’s, he said that now for heaven sake do not smoke, because they said that you just said that don’t drink, so we will smoke now.Like in England, people say what’s wrong in drugs? Drugs were not approached by saints, so we can take drugs, so it is in my lot, to tell them, now drugs are the same; anything that goes against awareness is not good. I mean, it is not something that you have said no because they were mad people, whatever they said, they said because it was the truth. If you take drinks of any kind, alcoholics or any these kinds, anything that takes you away from your awareness is wrong because your awareness is to be enlightened, as it is your awareness is like that and on top of that if this awareness is to be enlightened and is full of alcoholism, how to raise it? How to do it? But these days to talk against alcoholism, one person asked Me, “Mother are you going to be minister of permission?” I mean, it is impossible to talk to people about anything sensible. Even in a party you go, they say why don’t you drink? You should drink, you are missing such a great thing, you have missed such a lot in your life, I said I have drunk from my childhood, don’t give Me anything I don’t need it, no, they’ll go on forcing, you must drink. You see, this is a special thing, that is thing and all that. They have no shame about it, no shame. They think they are trying to be nice and you tell them even once if you say. Why do you drink? Gone, you are the gone case, you have no manners. You are the most unmannerly person. How dare you say such a thing to anyone? Look at these human beings, such [not clear], I don’t know how to deal with them? They think that they should be told, “alright go-ahead drink, kill yourself”. How can you be saints, allowed you to drink? Tell Me, when they know that it goes against your awareness, of course these thugs will say “alright drink as much as you like, do what you please, you have ten wives or you do what you please, only give me your purse to me”, because that is their interest in you. They are only interested in your purse, how much money you have got in your purse? What job you are doing? Or at times they can be, officers, saying that, give job to my son or give job to someone. One has to understand that saint is not afraid of anyone, he cannot be, it’s a fearless entity absolutely fearless, it’s not afraid of anyone because it is standing on truth, truth itself gives you that strength to say the truth, but I have learnt certain lessons, in my past lives that human beings don’t like truth, don’t tell them, if you tell them they will crucify you, immediately. You have to go around and round and put them into problem so that they come along. If you tell them straight forward don’t do something, they will put you, I mean, people may crucify Me after sometime, if I tell them don’t drink, it is that bad these days.The drinking in England is so bad now that English, who used to drink so little, is now nothing but a bottle, since morning he starts it. In third generation you go down, what about our Indians who have gone there? Even the Sikhs, who are told not to drink, drink more than Scotch people can drink. It’s a shameful thing and they will fight that we’ll not put a helmet on our head, to save our head from going on a motorbike. Is it written in any Grantha Sahib like this to be foolish and stupid? But they will fight for that, but not fight for this, that no Sikh should drink. If you are wearing that pagadi, you have no business to drink. They don’t think that the essence of religion is more important, than all these nonsensical things that you think you are doing.Such a great religion, Islam, such a great religion is Sikhism, such a great religion is Hinduism, such a great religion is Christianity. Everything gone to dogs because the dogs have come into it. They have no sense of proportion; they do not know how to respect their Guru’s… in the right way putting their guru’s in their heart and in their behaviour. That’s all they should have done. They should have just obeyed their Guru’s. There was no need to stand on your heads and take mantras from these thugs paying them. There was no need at all to do all these things, but no they thought that here we are doing black market money, let us make some big temples so there are great Hindus, big temples are built, black market money going on. Here they are killing so many people the Muslims, so they must say that we are doing it in the name of God, very nice. Where Mohammad Saab has talked of nothing but Rehmat and Rahim, all the time Rehmat and Rahim he has talked of, see they were about to kill him every moment wherever he went, it was such a dangerous situation, so vicariously he was living and he had to defend himself. So now we have to defend ourselves from these people, instead of these people defending themselves. It’s not in defence; it is in aggression; these people are killing others and they think they are doing a great very great service to the people. Then the Christians, they are one of the worst fanatics’ worst fanatics are the Christians. There cannot be worst fanatics than Christianity. Christianity is one religion which is very clever and cunning, nobody can beat them all. For example, they will do all missionary work. You’ll say ha a ha a ha what nice people. The missionary work, they are looking after our poor people here, very nice people very great generous people and they will be converting people. What are you converting them for? Have you got the power of realization? Have you got the power to call yourself Christian? Are you baptized in the real sense? That is how the Christians have been behaving throughout. They have put up such a big show, this is not God’s work, to get some people from the street who are dying put them in the room and look after them. Is this the work of God? This the work of human beings? Work of God is just to raise the Kundalini that is the work of God. Not the work of God is to have Hospitals and Schools and things. This is not the work of God, this is your job, this is you are doing it, but they are taking the name of God to earn money. In the name of God give me money. Such beggars I tell you of the first waters. Begging a man, who believes in God, will never do. Why to beg? Why to ask for money? On the streets they will stand, nowadays our Hare Rama and Hare Krishna in Oxford Street and beg money, in the name of God.Can there be greater sinners than these who beg in the name of God and get money from others and live on other people’s money? All the time like parasites. This is all they have done out of religion, or ritualism go to the temples, there’s a priest standing there he gives you ghanta, he makes something, puts something on your head, God knows he spoils the Agnya charka or what he does? And you think “oh I have been to this temple, I have been to that temple, I have been to this Teerath and that teerath and that teerath and I have been a very religious man”. I tell you these extreme ideas about God has really blinded us completely from reality. If you want the reality, you must know that God is to be found within your heart and not in those places. Once you have found it in your heart then you will know that where is the real God in which temple and how to approach. Now if I ask you, In Delhi how many temples are really jaagrut, except for Sahaja yogis nobody can say, you see a stone namaste another stone might have been brought from some bathroom namaste. Is that a real jaagrut one? It is said in the Bible that whatever is produced, created by mother Earth and by the Sky should not be reproduced, now what is that is created? What is that is created by Mother Earth? We Indians know these are the jaagrut deities which are created by Mother Earth, these are the jaagrut deities and that is to be worshipped and not to get a Ganapati somewhere for 2 rupees, my forefathers have given me so I am carrying on. I must do their Puja, maybe the forefathers are sitting on that. You won’t believe, there is a gentleman in Bombay, who came to Me, to meet Me, his name is Mr. Shah, he said “Mother Lot’s of things are happening, I don’t know how?” I said what happened? “In my house I am getting some old deities from somewhere, just coming into my house from somewhere, I don’t know where from where it comes?Sometimes I keep my windows open in the night and I find in the morning there is a deity of silver sometimes diamonds are there in the nose of the Lakshmi and I am surprised how am I getting it?” And the man is not so rich to have all these things; he showed me and said now what to do? I told him; throw them all of them in the sea, that’s what they deserve. He said from where have they come? These are the people who have habit of very seriously worshipping those deities, without understanding that these deities have got vibrations or not, whether they are jaagrut or not, they are alright or not. Even a plastic they’ll make, they’ll make of aluminium. I don’t know now what they are going to use next to make a deity and they will be carrying it on, have no value, have no understanding, have no respect. So, the people who own those, they must be bringing it, the old people and putting in your house, so better put them in the sea, otherwise they will not have their Mukti and this fellow is having greediness.He is always having a chakkar with these things. He said “what is happening to me?” His child is getting into problem; his wife has run away from the house. All kinds of problems coming up, lost all his money, every sort of problem coming up and this deity is coming in he said, should I sell them and get some money. I said please don’t do it, to whomsoever you will sell, you will sell asubah. These are coming by some dead person using this bhanawati; they are bringing this down here. But there where he told Me thousands of people wanting just to touch the feet of these bhootas. They thought such a bhoot cannot bring these deities and that must be God who is coming in the form. If in the thing was written also, made in near Mumbadevi and this and that. You mean God is sitting there and making those statues? We don’t use our brains also, when it comes to God. I mean faith is necessary no doubt, but this is after realization, before realization it’s a blind faith, which can be any nonsense.I have seen such mad people that they just go on pulling out their hair and they say that we are doing it in the name of God, really? Why did God give you these hairs? If he wanted you to pull it out like that morning till evening sitting and pulling it out and they develop such nervousness that if they are not properly aware, they will start pulling out from your hair also. It is such a dangerous situation in this blind faith, that you form some habits. You know people have an idea of using the mala, that’s why Kabira has said “kar kamana ka chade de manna ka manna ka pher” So they will also say, they will have it “kar kamana man ka chade de manna ka manna ka pher” finished. Even the children have understood the joke, this is what we are doing, that when it is told that you have to have God in your heart and don’t do these rituals, you will find these people using that rosary to such an extent, that if they are talking they don’t have that, they cannot sit tight, it’s like a nervousness in them, it’s a nervousness by which they must go on (aur main to hamesha mala jappti houn 108 and falaana) and you feel that the person is about to land up in some lunatic asylum with the number 108.The way people are mad in religion makes people really atheist they see these mad people what are they doing is the religion? Is this the religion, where people sell it, you go to any temple? Once we had bought some Am rood, Guavas and we went to the temple we were thinking that we will get out of, then we were very young, [not clear_], and we were lots of brothers and sisters we went down to a temple and we thought that after seeing the temple we will go outside behind the temple and we will eat the thing as soon as we reached there, the Pujari took out the packets from our hands, you know, all the children poor things were carrying three, four packets we had and they took out everything from [not clear], we were looking at them why did they took out everything and gave us one each you see, wah wah! and we were about to cry, but my younger sister couldn’t bare it, she said “why did you take away my, all my Guavas? please return it to me”, but this is sort of a right they have got to live on your money, these parasites. In the name of God these parasites, you are the people who are nurturing them, you just giving them money, it is better to give to a beggar, then to give to these horrible sophisticated beggars sitting on the temples and churches. You are the people who are responsible for creating such a mess because half of the people are indifferent; those who are not indifferent bhagvaan ke naam pe, half of them are like that who go to one Sidhhi Vinayak mandir and Mangalwaar day (Tuesday), you will find that queue of sometimes two miles in that Bombay, where people have no time for anything. People are moving with the pace of an Ant, one inch in one hour, there are some people who start in the night and they move on, they go with their naariyal and the naariyals, come from the other side and sold again next month.They know this; still they say we have done it with bhakti and Ganesha will give us what we like. Ganesha will only give you wisdom, I wish he could, I wish he could give you wisdom and understanding about religion. This is a mess we have done out of our religion, every religion, every religion is not only Hinduism, Islam or Christianity or Sikhism. We have really killed the religion by our indifference, or by too much of indulgence, blind fold, faith in all these horrible people, who claim that they are religious people, by what means are they? Go and see their lifestyle. Go and see what sort of a people they are. They are raksasha’s some of them I can tell you, when I went to Vrindavan I felt all the anucharaas of Kansa are their fundas. All of them not one I found as a human being, they are such horrible people and the way they torture you still you go about religion. One has to understand that God stands in His purity He is a pure being and He likes our wisdom. He doesn’t like people who are stupid and foolish. He likes wise people, wise people… like, Prahllad, Prahllad was an eight year old boy, when his father Hiranyakashyup challenged him, Shri Vishnu appeared in a pillar, you know in a Narsimha avatar and he killed his father and then he asked this little boy of eight years Prahllad, he said, “my child, my devotee, what do you want?” He could have asked for anything, Sakshaat Vishnu was there, but what does he say, “Tav charna arvinde pritii” Give me love at your lotus feet, oh my lord that’s all what I want. To love you at your lotus feet. If you have your pure love for God, He will give you wisdom. If you do not have your purity you go there to ask for this thing and that thing; Give me a transfer, specially government servants, they are never satisfied, they want to have transfers all the time, Give me a promotion, Give me a son, when you get a son, give me a job for my son. When he gets a job, get him a wife, poor Ganesha must be tired. This is what it is, this is not religion, this is not God, this has nothing to do with spirituality, you have to ask for one thing, “Tav charna arvinde pritii.” Oh lord let me be at your lotus feet so that one day my Kundalini would be awakened and that my atma would be enlightened within my awareness. Let me keep my life so beautiful, “Ye chaadar rishi muni jann odhi, Odhi ke meli kini chadariya, Daas Kabir jatan se odhi, Jaisi ki taisi rakh dini chadariya.”This is what we should have done, instead of that we go to this Tantric, that bhajji, that Pundit ji, that Pandey ji, or some other Paadri ji or what you call them other sorts of people those Mullah ji’s and all sorts of Mau Lana ji’s and Pir’s and all sorts of things and what do you get? A bad Agnya. They have no right to be there, they are there because they want to make a business out of God. Today I spoke about it, because it is important to understand, what is religion? In India especially I have seen people go out of the way to do penances in the name of God, which is a great thing, but why do you do penance, what is there to suffer? Why do you make your body suffer so much? Keep your body alright, don’t overdo things, keep a moderate life, lead a normal life, that’s what Buddha has told you, there is no need to go to extremes for anything, but even Buddhist, they have gone to another extreme so he had to come on this Earth as Shankaracharaya to tell people what are you doing? When did I say this? Then they were born as the son of Fatimabai who was herself nothing else but Janaki and they were her sons Hassan and Hussein, who had preached non-violence and they saw that people were trying to save bugs and mosquitoes. You know there are some funny cults where we are so particular of bugs mosquitoes and all the worms, we are not at all particular about human beings, they, I don’t know what am I going to do with bugs? Am I going to give them realization? Even chicken’s… am I going to give them realization? I have to give realization to human beings. What is the need to pay so much attention to these nonsensical things? To save the bugs and save the mosquitoes and make them bite the Brahmin and pay them money, because they think they have done a great kalyana on the bugs. Perhaps they might have been bugs, in last lives, the way they are interested in all these mosquitoes. Now, these two were born as Hassan and Hussein and to get rid of these ideas of non-violence they had this Karbala, in which they fought and died like great shuras (great warriors).This is a story of great incarnations on this Earth. There are so many of them who were born, I have no time to tell you, but Socrates was the same, his disciple was one of these two. Abraham, Moses, who are propagating Jews their religion, [not clear] people are another mad, another mad people I can tell you, these Jews, God save them from their madness, they will make a sum that their books are, say called as, Talmud [not clear], they make it microscopic, the more microscopic it is, the more spiritual you are and they tie it up here you see, you can’t even read it, you have to use a nice magnifying glass to read that, they never read, its tied up here. According to them, if it is studded with diamonds, then you are a greater spiritual person, they are very rich people you see, so they tie it up there and before a wailing wall they go and like mad they are beating their heads there and weeping for what they have done. I mean there is no end to the madness of people. You can understand that this is not religion. Now the other day there was one Arya samaji fellow who came to Me, he could not get his realization; I must tell you these are another fanatic type we have, Arya samaji, have they been able to get to their spirit? They are only bothered about re-converting the people, marrying the people or building the buildings and saying that, no we don’t believe in God, we don’t believe in this kind of a God. We don’t believe in. Who cares whether you believe or not, who are you? What right have you got to say anything? It’s like any monkey standing up and saying, “I don’t believe in this government, I don’t believe in that government”. Who is bothered about these people who talk like this? Who are they? What authority have they got to say what is good and what is bad. Do they know what is good and what is bad? To say like these things about, we don’t believe in this and we don’t believe in that. For us it is essential to know that, first let us know ourselves, let us get our light enlightened and in that light let us see the truth as it is you cannot ask the truth to be like this. You cannot organize God. He is what He is, He remain as He is, you cannot transform Him. Only thing you can do is become one with Him. What you can do is to perceive Him, to feel Him, to be, that is the thing you can be, but you cannot make God as you like Him, He is what He is as I have told you, and the best thing will be that you be humble like Prahllad, to say, “Tav charna arvinde pritii” Who are we to criticize these incarnations of Primordial master? What have we done? Like, once somebody started criticizing Me, so one of my disciples, Bardarf [not clear] called him, come here, come here, how many people have you given realization to? He said “none”, He said, how many people have you cured? What good have you done to people? He said none, what do you do? He said I am a barber, he said you better become a barber. What are you talking here? What right have you got? What is your position to talk? But in this kaliyuga, even a person who does not even know a word about religion, about God, who is not awakened, who is not realized, then talk about God. This is ghour kaliyuga, they are not afraid, they are not afraid, to make money in the name of God is the greatest sin, is the greatest sin, I tell you, to make money like that in the name of God and to spoil somebody’s Kundalini, as these, all these fake Gurus are doing. Using there bhoot vidya, they do not know they will go to hell permanently; absolutely permanently they will be there and there will be no return from there. They have been given many chances before, but no more chances for them.We are the people who have to correct them, we have to stand together and tell them, nothing doing, we had some people in Bombay who are Brahmins, who are Brahmins, who are Brahmins of the high order as we can call, [not clear] they are called as and they got their realization. Now they had to be taken up upon yourself to put down all these horrible fake people who are making money out of the public. So, one of them is a teacher and he told a Brahmin in his family, because he was permanently stuck, you see us Brahmins stuck to the families. He said that, “my”, “I have to do the Shard of my father, when can you come, within the Pitrupaksh? He said I can only come on Wednesday or something like that. He said are you sure that there is a Muhrata for that? Yes, he said, yes very I am sure of it. So, he went to another fellow, got the Panchanga, Maharashtrians, that way know a lot about these things like Panchanga and all that and he opened the Panchanga he studied there and he found out that there was no Muhrata, in any Panchanga whatsoever.There are three Panchangas which we use, I don’t know if we know here about it, he saw all of them, then accordingly the Muhrata was on Tuesday, he celebrated it. Then the fellow came, “rehne dijiye, rehne dijiye, baad mein le lenge rehne do”. Then the fellow came and he said that “I have come now come along let us have the shard”, He said that “I will not even give you a cup of tea to you today” He said how? You call me for the Shard I am supposed to eat at your place, he says no, we have not cooked anything and I am not going to give you a cup of tea, if there is no Muhrata today, he said according to Tilak Panchanga it is, he said I have studied also Tilak Panchanga, I have studied all this, you get out of here. The mother was poor thing you know, she said “how you can this, he is our old thing”, he said “this is the only chance I have to get rid of this old fool” and he just told him, get out you will not stay in this house and I am not going to give a cup of tea.Then in Panduranga’s temple, in…, Panduranga’s temple is there you know about Vitthhalla’s in Panderpur [not clear] we have people going down there and when I saw these people I was surprised, they were all crazy people for a month poor things are singing songs eat little take that nasha of tobacco and go singing songs for months together they go to see Panduranga, there and these people who live there are called as Badwe, their names are absolutely suited you see, like in Kolhapur they are called as Bhootis, can you imagine? The Brahmins are called as Bhootis and these are called as Badwe’s, and these people ask them, “How is it, you have got cracks in your heads?” He said that this Naral, this naariyal or you can call the coconut was broken at the lotus feet of Panduranga, I said, how? I couldn’t understand, these Badwe’s were doing this job and when I said that these Badwe’s should know if they don’t behave, they are going to have a very bad time, you see everybody was shocked but you’ll be amazed within eight days the government took over that place and its working out, but now their language has changed, but this is how these people have been troubling us, but now we have got four Brahmins, four Brahmins living in Panderpur who are after their throat and they go to the temple and tell people that don’t listen to the [unclear] and they are propagating and they said that if you want anything you ask us, but don’t give a single Pai to these Badwa’s, good for nothing, useless, whatever you want to do, you do it to the deity and don’t touch these people, treat them as untouchables and these are the people who have started it. It is we who can change the people.Once we get realization, the transformation starts taking place within us. When the transformation takes place, a person becomes fearless. He is not tempted easily by things, for example I have known people, who use to take a lot of bribes, have given up taking up bribe, because their financial condition also improves, their Lakshmi tattwa is awakened and they do not take any bribes, their Dharma is jaagrut, they do not drink, many people who were drunkards have given up drinking, because the Dharma is awakened within us, you just can’t bare it. Just like a human being cannot bear dirt but an animal can. In the same way, it happens to you, you just don’t bear it, you don’t want to have it anymore. In the same way, your political situation will improve, because what is the problem today, what is the problem? If you have went down to Maharashtra and there the people said that we have a problem of sugar, I said why, you produce a lot of sugar, he said there is one fellow known as Sugar king, he has hoarded all the Sugar. I said really, then why don’t you inform the police about it? They said, when Janta government was there he gave them money, now this government is here, he gives them money, he gives money to all police officers, he is driving all of them and he also bribed us and made us vote for certain people, who are under his control. I said, then you are responsible for this. You get your realization and next time only vote for or stand with a realized soul. Do not vote for anyone who is not a realized soul and you will see this country will change just like this; the whole situation will change. It is you who are misusing your votes, in the villages even for one time need they give votes. How are you going to improve your people? How this deterioration is going to stop by only, by your Parivartan, by your transformation, that’s only possible through Kundalini awakening.When the Kundalini awakening takes place, the man knows his esteem, he stands up like a human being and he doesn’t behave like a dog, who runs after every position you get, every money you get, “give me, give me”. It’s not like that. He stands in his dignity and in his [not clear] and nobody can put him down. This is what it is; the Sahaja Yoga is such a blessing, for all of us, in all the world, wherever there is a chaos, it is everywhere now and so many angles it is going to it, for Samaj Karya also, now in Samaj specially in the north, you see the condition is very bad, the woman are treated very shabbily, they say it’s the influence of the Muslim religion and whatever it is. But if you go to Turkey, you will be surprised that the people treat woman with such respect and such understanding. In our own scriptures it is written that: “Yatra naryastu pujyante ramante tatra Devata” [Manu smriti 3-56] Means, where the woman is respected, there resides the Gods, but the woman has to be respectable also, if she is not a respectable, no use respecting her. It is both ways, but the way we treat our woman, in the villages, especially in the North, like Bihar, U.P, Punjab, Punjab is now better, woman have taken over quite a lot. But that should not be the case, woman should remain woman but men must respect them. What I mean, that woman must be respected as they are and men must be respected as they are. They don’t have to change their places but, in these places, all Bengal all of them you know how [unclear]. Women commit suicides in that country because they cannot get married and they are put down. If you cannot get married what does it matter? You have to give dowry, if you don’t give dowry you cannot get married. All kinds of problems a husband will come drunkard, he will beat his wife because he is fallen in love with another woman, he is going to some other person. The wife has to come as out and she becomes a woman who has no husband, everybody ill-treats the woman. All sorts of things are here, why? Because we do not understand that woman is the Shakti. In her lies the Shakti we have to respect the women.When the women are not respected that country goes to dogs and the women must know that they are Shakti and they are to be respectable and not to be frivolous and cheap the way Indian women are now taking to western life I am really shocked, that means that our tradition has no depth in it. That the way we have accepted all these nonsensical values of the West, where the West has gone to dogs and we are going to dogs for this I will hold the woman responsible who behave so cheaply on the streets and in the offices and in the houses. It is the women who have to keep the Dharma going. Now with this, it is very remarkable, what is happening, if the mother of the house is not respected, is treated like a servant, she has no place in the family, husband comes from the office and shouts at her, children cannot respect her, they cannot be disciplined, if the mother is not respected. Your children can never be disciplined. You see now, you talk of indiscipline, indiscipline everywhere. I remember, when I was young, we could not do even a thing without asking our mother. If we had our father we wanted to, he’d say, “Did you ask your mother? Go and ask your mother” In the family, in the house she was the Grahalakshmi, she was given all the keys all the money, not a single pie was spent without asking her. But these days, the woman have become so either very miserly or so extra wagon that men do not know what to do with them. It was both ways, women have to be wise, they are the axis the Dhuri of the society, that’s only possible when they are realized, suddenly I find very rebellious woman become so, so beautiful, so beautiful and so women like, so sweet, their, their tongue, their whole behaviour everything changes so beautifully, it’s surprising, even western women I have seen, who walk like horses normally.If you see them, they really walk like horses, but they change their dresses and their whole thing they become so feminine, so sweet, in their talks and everything, then what will happen to Indian women? But men must know they have to respect women, if they try to dominate their women, they will become the same as the western woman and you will not know what to do with yourself. If the woman decides to be bad, there’s no end to miseries that should not be done. So, please make it a short circuit and let us understand that for Sahaja yogi it is important to respect the wife. So, that there is discipline, still I must give all my respect to the Indian women, despite all these things, despite the, all the men have changed their dresses, all the men have become English, Indian women have still kept their dresses and their discipline. Our men still think, they are great English people, but our Indian women are not willing to accept that situation. I am not saying that there is something wrong with English, but if we are Indians we should be Indians, if they are English they should be English and in the same way with our life, when there is realization, a woman becomes a complete woman and a man becomes a complete man and a complete man we have before us is Shri Rama, how he loved his wife, in separation and in meeting, how he loved and how they, despite all their love, how they suffered. We have before us Shri Rama where he respected his wife. It is a essential for men to understand that you are Indians and you have to behave like them. You do not know the greatness of our Indian women. If you do not treat them well, I can assure you a day will come only very cheap and nasty and what you call demonic women will be born here and you will be unable to enter even your homes. You will be standing outside on your streets. So be careful about it and also you has brought us before, the way you treat your wife the same way your daughters will be treated even worse, then you will know what you did, so be kind to her because she has married to you she is not your slave. It is very important. In northern India more because they think that southern India, Maharashtra and southern India women, men are henpecked unless and until they beat their wives, they are henpecked according to them. These ideas must be given up but this is only possible when you get your realization. Real joy of leading a very happy married life extremely beautiful married life of mutual love and mutual understanding develops I have seen this happening to so many people the relationship improving the relationship between parents and children improving the whole thing becoming so joyous and so beautiful and the children becoming so obedient and so sweet, it’s a beautiful thing so when the atmosphere is fragrant with your spirituality the whole aroma, the whole atmosphere we can say completely charmed, absolutely charmed by your peaceful life. This is the bliss we have to see.Today I talked about these things because void is very important thing for us where all our social, samajic, political, rajkiya and also our spiritual problems can be solved.Apart from that I had told you yesterday about our physical problems, tomorrow I will talk about other charkas to you. I hope you have understood today’s lecture. Though, I spoke in a very entertaining manner but you have to know that all this entertainment has to go within yourself, you have to take within yourself, it’s not meant for others as soon as you say it is for other, the women will look at the husbands and the husbands will look at the wife. They do not know it is meant for you and not for others. All of you should take it up, that am I doing this, am I doing this, try to correct yourself, you have to be decent husbands and decent wives and I would like to see very happy married couples amongst Sahaja Yogis, when this will happen then the great souls will take birth on this earth, you will see great people will be born.Already so many Sahaja Yogis have given birth to very, very great souls. You will be amazed they know Kundalini from their very childhood this will happen I am sure one day it will come and that all the souls who want to take birth will be born on this earth, especially in India. Already lots of great souls I have seen also in England, let me go I see in Australia I am sure it’s happening everywhere. But if you are realized souls you really become perfect parents and you really invite the great souls on this earth to work it out.May God Bless You.

Public Program, New Delhi (India) 7 February 1981. Please sit very comfortably that’s very important. There should be no strain on a particular part of the body. For example, when you are sitting sometimes your feet might feel little bit numbed down, you can change the posture. You need not carry on with any extreme effort or any discomfort to yourself, that’s first thing you must remember. Moreover, some of the people go into tense postures also by stretching their hands too straight or sometimes going very straight or pushing their head behind. Sometimes they bend their heads also bit too much also. Sit very comfortably, with both the hands on your lap in a very comfortable way. There should be nothing extreme to be done from outside. We have to understand the principle of this living process. Then you will know that why I say: “No use doing any such extreme thing to achieve your goal”.The principle is like this: that this room is all dirty supposing or it’s in a chaos, or maybe it’s in darkness completely, you can’t see anything. So, you enter inside the room. Your goal is to achieve the enlightenment. Some people will say that: “Let us clean the room in darkness with blindness”. You start cleaning your body you don’t know what you are cleaning! So, there is no need to bother about cleaning when you are blind. Some people think: “If you clear your mind before Realization you will be better off.”You have tried all those things, but in doing so, you have gone to extremes. It’s all blindness, all your work is done in darkness, there is no enlightenment. You have to get your enlightenment first, this is what I have realized that unless and until human beings are enlightened they cannot cleanse themselves properly, they cannot understand Sahaja Yoga, they cannot understand God, they cannot understand, feel their Spirit, nothing is possible unless and until they are enlightened. It is possible then, when you get the enlightenment, you might find that the light is not coming through properly, there is some shaking in the bulb or maybe there is some shaking in the shade or maybe that the room is dirty, that you cannot see things clearly, that you cannot see your image in the mirror, your eyes are weak. For all this you need a bright light. But without getting the light itself, without knowing something about what you have got within yourself, how are you going to cleanse yourself? Of course, the light may be dim but still you can see what is the problem, what is to be done, what is to be cleared out. That’s why enlightenment is the first thing.Now for this, even if you clean the whole room, even if you do all that, you have not done the perfect job. On the contrary you might break some things, you might spoil some things, you may slip down, anything can happen in darkness that’s what happens to people when they do any sadhana blindly. After your enlightenment you know your way through, you know how to go about it and you understand everything. Then another myth we have is that if we cleanse our mind, we can achieve our spirituality, you can’t. Even if this room may be clean unless and until there is light there cannot be enlightenment. So, the main thing is you have to have an enlightenment. I have known people who lead very clean and a good life. When they get enlightenment, they get it very fast and have it nicely established, very easily and it is there. But some of the people who lead a very clean and a good life have overdone it to such an extent that they have an ego about it, they think: “I don’t want anything, I am perfect, I do no wrong, I am committing no problem, I am a very happy person”. Such people also get stuck because they do not want the higher things of life. They do not want their Spirit to be enlightened so that also sometimes become a very sticky point. Now in Sahaja Yoga, you have to know that you have the power within yourself. It is there, it exists there, and it is to be just awakened. In some people, it takes time to be awakened. In thousands I have seen it takes no time. The only thing that I would suggest is to keep your mind open, not to become obstinate about things. If you are an obstinate person, the Kundalini is even a greater obstinate thing. Do not be obstinate, just keep yourself open, do not argue it out by argument or by thinking about it, the Kundalini is not going to be awakened. On the contrary when the Kundalini is awakened your thoughts settle down to such an extent that you feel there is no thought coming to you from your subconscious or from your supraconscious. So, try to keep yourself absolutely open and don’t worry even if your vibrations are not felt.The principle is that light is light and the room is room. The light has nothing to do with the room. Only thing, when the light is enlightened, it enlightens the room. The room has something to do with the light, but the light has nothing to do: whether the room is there or not, light exists. In the same way, we must understand that the relationship with the atman and our body our Spirit and our, this body, mind, and our ego, superego. So many of you must have done lot of tapasyas and lot of things which were not really wanted, thinking that you have done such a lot, you have been to so many places, you have done so much “tirtha yatra” [acetic; journey] you have been to so many pilgrimages and those pilgrimages and all these places, you think according to you, it should be blissful to you. But actually, while going there, you did not know how to get the bliss from those temples and those places which are holy actually in nature but are surrounded by people who are extremely negative. Because of that, that mixture was there and sometimes instead of getting the bliss you get the headaches. 7:23Today we are going to discuss the Void what we call Void in Sahaja Yoga is different from the way people talk of void. Void is the complete visceral cavity which is called in Sahaja Yoga language as Bhavasagara. Many a times, you must have heard people singing songs poets singing songs saying “Bhavasagara se para utaru” What is this Bhavasagara? This is the symbol or this is the reflection of the whole entire universe that is created. All this universe is created by Brahmadeva. He is the one who is the creator, who is a “raksna yeta” [unsure] of this world, who created this beautiful universe, in that especially he created the Mother earth. He has placed the Moon and the Sun on both the sides of this Mother earth and the representatives of the Mother earth within us is the Kundalini, the Mooladhara.Now this universe exists within us, that is the Bhavasagara. This Bhavasagara exists in many stages in its evolutionary form and today it is Kali Yuga in this Bhavasagara. I would say it is the dawn of Satya Yuga and the end of Kali Yuga. And this Bhavasagara is placed in the center - is the center of Nabhi, Nabhi charka. And around it, moves the center of Swadishthana. Nabhi chakra as you know is governed by Shri Lakshmi as the power of Shri Vishnu and the Swadishthana moves around it, which delimits our own personality, and which creates all these different stars within us or the planets within us. In these spaces, Void, are born the incarnations of the Primordial Master who is called as Dattatreya. Dattatreya is the innocence of Shiva of – “Vibrations itni hai ikura” [Vibrations are so cool]- of Brahmadeva and of Shri Vishnu. Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, the essence of these, the innocence of these is embodied in the form of Dattatreya, who is the Primordial Master. So, these masters who are born on this Earth are innocence at its best, all integrated together.These masters have incarnated on this Earth mainly ten times, but there have been many others incarnations also, there have been repetitions just to correct themselves. As I told you yesterday that Mohammad Saab and Nanaka are both the same personalities of Dattatreya. The instance is given, in the life of Guru Nanaka, when he was sleeping people told him that your feet are towards Mecca, Kaaba towards Kaaba. He said: “Alright I’ll remove my feet and put wherever you say”. Then they put his feet towards the other side and again they found that his feet were facing towards Kaaba. Then he said: “Tell me the place where there is no Kaaba, I’ll put my feet!” But they couldn’t arrange it at all, because wherever he placed his feet, it was such a Maya, that always they found that the feet were towards Kaaba. Now Kaaba is a place where you have a beautiful Shiva linga, which is called as Mekkaeshwar Shiva in our Puranas. From ancient times it is mentioned that, there is a pinda which is absolutely Vibrating and which is there.Now Mohammad Saab religiously avoided talking about that. He only said: “If this stone can be so godly, why not human beings be?” But he did not explain much as it is whatever he tried to explain, the people were so insensitive and so cruel that they tried to kill him many a times, they gave to him poison, ultimately, he died in a very, very bad state. They tortured his life, they were lunatic people, they used to live in tribes and very tribal by nature. And they - he tried his level best to propagate that there is God and God is above all and I am the messenger of God, but they would not listen to him.Then came, you know Nanaka who preached that there should be no enmity between Hindus and Muslims, he preached that, because he saw the Muslims behaving in such a manner, they were such fanatics and they had become so funny that he could not understand how is it? These are the people whom I have made Muslims and what are they doing here? Actually Musalman means the person who is realized and Peer is a person whose realization is established so much so that he said that those who have become Musalman should be buried and not burnt, because he thought they are all realized souls, but realization finished off with his son in law and his daughter, after that he had two sons who were great souls who are really the reincarnations of Lov and Kush. Now perhaps we do not know what happened to Luv and Kush when they were born. Luv and Kush when their mother disappeared in the Mother Earth and the father, they were little annoyed with them, went in the North one went to Caucasus and another went to China. Luv went to Caucasus and from there he became a very powerful king in Russia. Russians always use Sanskrit language; we do not know how much Sanskrit they use; for example, they will say kharoshou means Harushivaye the Pravada itself the word Pravada vda is to say pra means enlightened. You see their language, it’s full of Sanskrit words, practically it is absolutely based on Sanskrit and you’d say slaws people…slaws, so lov sla… Luv ruled there for years together and about four hundred years back, his very descendants flew away from there, went to Iran, where there is a Goddess. Goddess Hindolika’s temple is there which is all described in the Puranas, where they used to worship Goddess Hindolika, from there they came down and spread all over, it’s a big story. Then Kush went to China, that’s how you have Kushan in China and Chinese language is very much near Sanskrit and quite close to Marathi language, it’s more surprising if you hear them talking, for example they say; Ma tza tum, tza is only there in Marathi language they use this word tza, we never say in Hindi tza or in any other language you won’t find it tza but only in Chinese and in Marathi language they have this word, tza.It’s very interesting to see, how the spirituality has spread into these countries and then how it died out. All these things happened, but then they were born again and again, they were born as Mahavira and Buddha, they are the same, they are born as Markendeya, they are born as Kabira, as Adi Shankaracharya, it was Buddha who was born as Adi Shankaracharya just to correct himself, Buddha was shocked the way people were going, there was Nirakara that he had be born as Shankaracharaya to tell people, oh God, what are you doing? It was only Buddha who came to correct himself as Shankaracharaya, it is so surprising, that people are fighting, Buddhist and Hindus are great enemies of each other, but they do not know that the person who really re-established Hinduism was the same who established Buddhism. So, imagine the same personality coming again and again on this Earth tries to correct his disciples again finds that there are two groups he has created, it’s a big problem.Now Mahavira also was one of them, who was born again and again and he was Markendeya and he was Kabira, the way Kabira lashes people you can see that he is tremendous, he is like Bhairava and the power of Bhairava, Kabira has used in his language, but for Hindi poets it is Sadhukadi and they have made fun of it. The best thing of a person who doesn’t want to face reality, is to make fun of everyone, that is the best way, they said what is this talk Ida, Pingla, Sushumna? Who is he? What does he think of himself? But he was appreciated very much, by the saints and especially by Guru Nanaka, who included all his poetry in his Grantha sahib; he’s included so many of these poetry from all the realized souls from Maharashtra, also. But I wonder how many Sikhs know that this was for getting realization, he thought, if you write an Upanishad, [not clear] they try to correct everything just to make people understand that you have to get to it. First, they thought that if you write Gita, they go on remembering Gita by heart. Then, they thought it is better, that you write something from the realized souls only together, so that it is a powerful Grantha by which people when they read it they get Vibrations and they’ll stick to it, but it is not so, even there people are just reading it. I don’t know how?Gradually as we were revolving, we were losing our sensitivity. At least in the time of Rama, people knew he was an incarnation. At the time of Krishna, they knew he was an incarnation. Many people know, of course, Raksasha knew also that they were incarnations; raksasha’s even today know who the incarnation, they are very sure of it and they are just frightened of, but in those days, even common people knew who is an incarnation. Now the sensitivity among human beings started getting reduced and reduced as they got involved into fanaticism, all kinds of tantrism that developed in this country of ours, in other countries also, tremendous movement was there to create fanatics and these fanatics are diseased people, they are diseased, they are actually the people who are possessed absolutely possessed, they are not normal people when they talk, you are surprised, how can they talk like that? When they do not know anything about it, but thank God today, fanaticism has reached such a stage that the younger people are understanding the nonsense of it.It’s a very good chance for Sahaja Yoga to come up. In Sahaja Yoga, the beauty is this, that you cannot now form a cult as soon as you try to do such a thing, you lose your vibrations, you try any such tricks, you try to be fanatic you will be losing all your vibrations, any tricks you try with Sahaja Yoga first thing you will lose your vibrations, you won’t like it, you won’t be happy with it, you would like to keep your vibrations going, smooth, smoothly and nicely so that you feel absolutely happy about it and joyous, but anybody who tries any tricks with Sahaja Yoga, you get into problem.Now these Gurus came on this Earth to remove fanaticism, the last of them came as Shirdi Sai Nath, he was the one who had said very clearly, in Marathi he had said it, that to speak ill of any other religion is sin, is sin, nothing can be more powerful than that. There are many people who worship Sai Nath, many people, but they drink, he was against drinking, all of them were against drinking, why were they against drinking because the awareness is spread in your void. The awareness, the Chitta, the attention is in your void and is nourished by your liver. The liver takes out all the poison from your awareness, due to bad health, due to bad mind, due to anything from bad effects or negativity and then it clears out as I told you yesterday. So, this awareness within us gets, you know that our awareness, human awareness goes down through drinking, these people preach that you should not drink. I mean that’s the one thing that they all preached together, that you should not drink. At the time of Mohammad Saab there was no smoking, so Guru Nanaka also [not clear] this time you found people smoking with big big hookah’s, he said that now for heaven sake do not smoke, because they said that you just said that don’t drink, so we will smoke now.Like in England, people say what’s wrong in drugs? Drugs were not approached by saints, so we can take drugs, so it is in my lot, to tell them, now drugs are the same; anything that goes against awareness is not good. I mean, it is not something that you have said no because they were mad people, whatever they said, they said because it was the truth. If you take drinks of any kind, alcoholics or any these kinds, anything that takes you away from your awareness is wrong because your awareness is to be enlightened, as it is your awareness is like that and on top of that if this awareness is to be enlightened and is full of alcoholism, how to raise it? How to do it? But these days to talk against alcoholism, one person asked Me, “Mother are you going to be minister of permission?” I mean, it is impossible to talk to people about anything sensible. Even in a party you go, they say why don’t you drink? You should drink, you are missing such a great thing, you have missed such a lot in your life, I said I have drunk from my childhood, don’t give Me anything I don’t need it, no, they’ll go on forcing, you must drink. You see, this is a special thing, that is thing and all that. They have no shame about it, no shame. They think they are trying to be nice and you tell them even once if you say. Why do you drink? Gone, you are the gone case, you have no manners. You are the most unmannerly person. How dare you say such a thing to anyone? Look at these human beings, such [not clear], I don’t know how to deal with them? They think that they should be told, “alright go-ahead drink, kill yourself”. How can you be saints, allowed you to drink? Tell Me, when they know that it goes against your awareness, of course these thugs will say “alright drink as much as you like, do what you please, you have ten wives or you do what you please, only give me your purse to me”, because that is their interest in you. They are only interested in your purse, how much money you have got in your purse? What job you are doing? Or at times they can be, officers, saying that, give job to my son or give job to someone. One has to understand that saint is not afraid of anyone, he cannot be, it’s a fearless entity absolutely fearless, it’s not afraid of anyone because it is standing on truth, truth itself gives you that strength to say the truth, but I have learnt certain lessons, in my past lives that human beings don’t like truth, don’t tell them, if you tell them they will crucify you, immediately. You have to go around and round and put them into problem so that they come along. If you tell them straight forward don’t do something, they will put you, I mean, people may crucify Me after sometime, if I tell them don’t drink, it is that bad these days.The drinking in England is so bad now that English, who used to drink so little, is now nothing but a bottle, since morning he starts it. In third generation you go down, what about our Indians who have gone there? Even the Sikhs, who are told not to drink, drink more than Scotch people can drink. It’s a shameful thing and they will fight that we’ll not put a helmet on our head, to save our head from going on a motorbike. Is it written in any Grantha Sahib like this to be foolish and stupid? But they will fight for that, but not fight for this, that no Sikh should drink. If you are wearing that pagadi, you have no business to drink. They don’t think that the essence of religion is more important, than all these nonsensical things that you think you are doing.Such a great religion, Islam, such a great religion is Sikhism, such a great religion is Hinduism, such a great religion is Christianity. Everything gone to dogs because the dogs have come into it. They have no sense of proportion; they do not know how to respect their Guru’s… in the right way putting their guru’s in their heart and in their behaviour. That’s all they should have done. They should have just obeyed their Guru’s. There was no need to stand on your heads and take mantras from these thugs paying them. There was no need at all to do all these things, but no they thought that here we are doing black market money, let us make some big temples so there are great Hindus, big temples are built, black market money going on. Here they are killing so many people the Muslims, so they must say that we are doing it in the name of God, very nice. Where Mohammad Saab has talked of nothing but Rehmat and Rahim, all the time Rehmat and Rahim he has talked of, see they were about to kill him every moment wherever he went, it was such a dangerous situation, so vicariously he was living and he had to defend himself. So now we have to defend ourselves from these people, instead of these people defending themselves. It’s not in defence; it is in aggression; these people are killing others and they think they are doing a great very great service to the people. Then the Christians, they are one of the worst fanatics’ worst fanatics are the Christians. There cannot be worst fanatics than Christianity. Christianity is one religion which is very clever and cunning, nobody can beat them all. For example, they will do all missionary work. You’ll say ha a ha a ha what nice people. The missionary work, they are looking after our poor people here, very nice people very great generous people and they will be converting people. What are you converting them for? Have you got the power of realization? Have you got the power to call yourself Christian? Are you baptized in the real sense? That is how the Christians have been behaving throughout. They have put up such a big show, this is not God’s work, to get some people from the street who are dying put them in the room and look after them. Is this the work of God? This the work of human beings? Work of God is just to raise the Kundalini that is the work of God. Not the work of God is to have Hospitals and Schools and things. This is not the work of God, this is your job, this is you are doing it, but they are taking the name of God to earn money. In the name of God give me money. Such beggars I tell you of the first waters. Begging a man, who believes in God, will never do. Why to beg? Why to ask for money? On the streets they will stand, nowadays our Hare Rama and Hare Krishna in Oxford Street and beg money, in the name of God.Can there be greater sinners than these who beg in the name of God and get money from others and live on other people’s money? All the time like parasites. This is all they have done out of religion, or ritualism go to the temples, there’s a priest standing there he gives you ghanta, he makes something, puts something on your head, God knows he spoils the Agnya charka or what he does? And you think “oh I have been to this temple, I have been to that temple, I have been to this Teerath and that teerath and that teerath and I have been a very religious man”. I tell you these extreme ideas about God has really blinded us completely from reality. If you want the reality, you must know that God is to be found within your heart and not in those places. Once you have found it in your heart then you will know that where is the real God in which temple and how to approach. Now if I ask you, In Delhi how many temples are really jaagrut, except for Sahaja yogis nobody can say, you see a stone namaste another stone might have been brought from some bathroom namaste. Is that a real jaagrut one? It is said in the Bible that whatever is produced, created by mother Earth and by the Sky should not be reproduced, now what is that is created? What is that is created by Mother Earth? We Indians know these are the jaagrut deities which are created by Mother Earth, these are the jaagrut deities and that is to be worshipped and not to get a Ganapati somewhere for 2 rupees, my forefathers have given me so I am carrying on. I must do their Puja, maybe the forefathers are sitting on that. You won’t believe, there is a gentleman in Bombay, who came to Me, to meet Me, his name is Mr. Shah, he said “Mother Lot’s of things are happening, I don’t know how?” I said what happened? “In my house I am getting some old deities from somewhere, just coming into my house from somewhere, I don’t know where from where it comes?Sometimes I keep my windows open in the night and I find in the morning there is a deity of silver sometimes diamonds are there in the nose of the Lakshmi and I am surprised how am I getting it?” And the man is not so rich to have all these things; he showed me and said now what to do? I told him; throw them all of them in the sea, that’s what they deserve. He said from where have they come? These are the people who have habit of very seriously worshipping those deities, without understanding that these deities have got vibrations or not, whether they are jaagrut or not, they are alright or not. Even a plastic they’ll make, they’ll make of aluminium. I don’t know now what they are going to use next to make a deity and they will be carrying it on, have no value, have no understanding, have no respect. So, the people who own those, they must be bringing it, the old people and putting in your house, so better put them in the sea, otherwise they will not have their Mukti and this fellow is having greediness.He is always having a chakkar with these things. He said “what is happening to me?” His child is getting into problem; his wife has run away from the house. All kinds of problems coming up, lost all his money, every sort of problem coming up and this deity is coming in he said, should I sell them and get some money. I said please don’t do it, to whomsoever you will sell, you will sell asubah. These are coming by some dead person using this bhanawati; they are bringing this down here. But there where he told Me thousands of people wanting just to touch the feet of these bhootas. They thought such a bhoot cannot bring these deities and that must be God who is coming in the form. If in the thing was written also, made in near Mumbadevi and this and that. You mean God is sitting there and making those statues? We don’t use our brains also, when it comes to God. I mean faith is necessary no doubt, but this is after realization, before realization it’s a blind faith, which can be any nonsense.I have seen such mad people that they just go on pulling out their hair and they say that we are doing it in the name of God, really? Why did God give you these hairs? If he wanted you to pull it out like that morning till evening sitting and pulling it out and they develop such nervousness that if they are not properly aware, they will start pulling out from your hair also. It is such a dangerous situation in this blind faith, that you form some habits. You know people have an idea of using the mala, that’s why Kabira has said “kar kamana ka chade de manna ka manna ka pher” So they will also say, they will have it “kar kamana man ka chade de manna ka manna ka pher” finished. Even the children have understood the joke, this is what we are doing, that when it is told that you have to have God in your heart and don’t do these rituals, you will find these people using that rosary to such an extent, that if they are talking they don’t have that, they cannot sit tight, it’s like a nervousness in them, it’s a nervousness by which they must go on (aur main to hamesha mala jappti houn 108 and falaana) and you feel that the person is about to land up in some lunatic asylum with the number 108.The way people are mad in religion makes people really atheist they see these mad people what are they doing is the religion? Is this the religion, where people sell it, you go to any temple? Once we had bought some Am rood, Guavas and we went to the temple we were thinking that we will get out of, then we were very young, [not clear_], and we were lots of brothers and sisters we went down to a temple and we thought that after seeing the temple we will go outside behind the temple and we will eat the thing as soon as we reached there, the Pujari took out the packets from our hands, you know, all the children poor things were carrying three, four packets we had and they took out everything from [not clear], we were looking at them why did they took out everything and gave us one each you see, wah wah! and we were about to cry, but my younger sister couldn’t bare it, she said “why did you take away my, all my Guavas? please return it to me”, but this is sort of a right they have got to live on your money, these parasites. In the name of God these parasites, you are the people who are nurturing them, you just giving them money, it is better to give to a beggar, then to give to these horrible sophisticated beggars sitting on the temples and churches. You are the people who are responsible for creating such a mess because half of the people are indifferent; those who are not indifferent bhagvaan ke naam pe, half of them are like that who go to one Sidhhi Vinayak mandir and Mangalwaar day (Tuesday), you will find that queue of sometimes two miles in that Bombay, where people have no time for anything. People are moving with the pace of an Ant, one inch in one hour, there are some people who start in the night and they move on, they go with their naariyal and the naariyals, come from the other side and sold again next month.They know this; still they say we have done it with bhakti and Ganesha will give us what we like. Ganesha will only give you wisdom, I wish he could, I wish he could give you wisdom and understanding about religion. This is a mess we have done out of our religion, every religion, every religion is not only Hinduism, Islam or Christianity or Sikhism. We have really killed the religion by our indifference, or by too much of indulgence, blind fold, faith in all these horrible people, who claim that they are religious people, by what means are they? Go and see their lifestyle. Go and see what sort of a people they are. They are raksasha’s some of them I can tell you, when I went to Vrindavan I felt all the anucharaas of Kansa are their fundas. All of them not one I found as a human being, they are such horrible people and the way they torture you still you go about religion. One has to understand that God stands in His purity He is a pure being and He likes our wisdom. He doesn’t like people who are stupid and foolish. He likes wise people, wise people… like, Prahllad, Prahllad was an eight year old boy, when his father Hiranyakashyup challenged him, Shri Vishnu appeared in a pillar, you know in a Narsimha avatar and he killed his father and then he asked this little boy of eight years Prahllad, he said, “my child, my devotee, what do you want?” He could have asked for anything, Sakshaat Vishnu was there, but what does he say, “Tav charna arvinde pritii” Give me love at your lotus feet, oh my lord that’s all what I want. To love you at your lotus feet. If you have your pure love for God, He will give you wisdom. If you do not have your purity you go there to ask for this thing and that thing; Give me a transfer, specially government servants, they are never satisfied, they want to have transfers all the time, Give me a promotion, Give me a son, when you get a son, give me a job for my son. When he gets a job, get him a wife, poor Ganesha must be tired. This is what it is, this is not religion, this is not God, this has nothing to do with spirituality, you have to ask for one thing, “Tav charna arvinde pritii.” Oh lord let me be at your lotus feet so that one day my Kundalini would be awakened and that my atma would be enlightened within my awareness. Let me keep my life so beautiful, “Ye chaadar rishi muni jann odhi, Odhi ke meli kini chadariya, Daas Kabir jatan se odhi, Jaisi ki taisi rakh dini chadariya.”This is what we should have done, instead of that we go to this Tantric, that bhajji, that Pundit ji, that Pandey ji, or some other Paadri ji or what you call them other sorts of people those Mullah ji’s and all sorts of Mau Lana ji’s and Pir’s and all sorts of things and what do you get? A bad Agnya. They have no right to be there, they are there because they want to make a business out of God. Today I spoke about it, because it is important to understand, what is religion? In India especially I have seen people go out of the way to do penances in the name of God, which is a great thing, but why do you do penance, what is there to suffer? Why do you make your body suffer so much? Keep your body alright, don’t overdo things, keep a moderate life, lead a normal life, that’s what Buddha has told you, there is no need to go to extremes for anything, but even Buddhist, they have gone to another extreme so he had to come on this Earth as Shankaracharaya to tell people what are you doing? When did I say this? Then they were born as the son of Fatimabai who was herself nothing else but Janaki and they were her sons Hassan and Hussein, who had preached non-violence and they saw that people were trying to save bugs and mosquitoes. You know there are some funny cults where we are so particular of bugs mosquitoes and all the worms, we are not at all particular about human beings, they, I don’t know what am I going to do with bugs? Am I going to give them realization? Even chicken’s… am I going to give them realization? I have to give realization to human beings. What is the need to pay so much attention to these nonsensical things? To save the bugs and save the mosquitoes and make them bite the Brahmin and pay them money, because they think they have done a great kalyana on the bugs. Perhaps they might have been bugs, in last lives, the way they are interested in all these mosquitoes. Now, these two were born as Hassan and Hussein and to get rid of these ideas of non-violence they had this Karbala, in which they fought and died like great shuras (great warriors).This is a story of great incarnations on this Earth. There are so many of them who were born, I have no time to tell you, but Socrates was the same, his disciple was one of these two. Abraham, Moses, who are propagating Jews their religion, [not clear] people are another mad, another mad people I can tell you, these Jews, God save them from their madness, they will make a sum that their books are, say called as, Talmud [not clear], they make it microscopic, the more microscopic it is, the more spiritual you are and they tie it up here you see, you can’t even read it, you have to use a nice magnifying glass to read that, they never read, its tied up here. According to them, if it is studded with diamonds, then you are a greater spiritual person, they are very rich people you see, so they tie it up there and before a wailing wall they go and like mad they are beating their heads there and weeping for what they have done. I mean there is no end to the madness of people. You can understand that this is not religion. Now the other day there was one Arya samaji fellow who came to Me, he could not get his realization; I must tell you these are another fanatic type we have, Arya samaji, have they been able to get to their spirit? They are only bothered about re-converting the people, marrying the people or building the buildings and saying that, no we don’t believe in God, we don’t believe in this kind of a God. We don’t believe in. Who cares whether you believe or not, who are you? What right have you got to say anything? It’s like any monkey standing up and saying, “I don’t believe in this government, I don’t believe in that government”. Who is bothered about these people who talk like this? Who are they? What authority have they got to say what is good and what is bad. Do they know what is good and what is bad? To say like these things about, we don’t believe in this and we don’t believe in that. For us it is essential to know that, first let us know ourselves, let us get our light enlightened and in that light let us see the truth as it is you cannot ask the truth to be like this. You cannot organize God. He is what He is, He remain as He is, you cannot transform Him. Only thing you can do is become one with Him. What you can do is to perceive Him, to feel Him, to be, that is the thing you can be, but you cannot make God as you like Him, He is what He is as I have told you, and the best thing will be that you be humble like Prahllad, to say, “Tav charna arvinde pritii” Who are we to criticize these incarnations of Primordial master? What have we done? Like, once somebody started criticizing Me, so one of my disciples, Bardarf [not clear] called him, come here, come here, how many people have you given realization to? He said “none”, He said, how many people have you cured? What good have you done to people? He said none, what do you do? He said I am a barber, he said you better become a barber. What are you talking here? What right have you got? What is your position to talk? But in this kaliyuga, even a person who does not even know a word about religion, about God, who is not awakened, who is not realized, then talk about God. This is ghour kaliyuga, they are not afraid, they are not afraid, to make money in the name of God is the greatest sin, is the greatest sin, I tell you, to make money like that in the name of God and to spoil somebody’s Kundalini, as these, all these fake Gurus are doing. Using there bhoot vidya, they do not know they will go to hell permanently; absolutely permanently they will be there and there will be no return from there. They have been given many chances before, but no more chances for them.We are the people who have to correct them, we have to stand together and tell them, nothing doing, we had some people in Bombay who are Brahmins, who are Brahmins, who are Brahmins of the high order as we can call, [not clear] they are called as and they got their realization. Now they had to be taken up upon yourself to put down all these horrible fake people who are making money out of the public. So, one of them is a teacher and he told a Brahmin in his family, because he was permanently stuck, you see us Brahmins stuck to the families. He said that, “my”, “I have to do the Shard of my father, when can you come, within the Pitrupaksh? He said I can only come on Wednesday or something like that. He said are you sure that there is a Muhrata for that? Yes, he said, yes very I am sure of it. So, he went to another fellow, got the Panchanga, Maharashtrians, that way know a lot about these things like Panchanga and all that and he opened the Panchanga he studied there and he found out that there was no Muhrata, in any Panchanga whatsoever.There are three Panchangas which we use, I don’t know if we know here about it, he saw all of them, then accordingly the Muhrata was on Tuesday, he celebrated it. Then the fellow came, “rehne dijiye, rehne dijiye, baad mein le lenge rehne do”. Then the fellow came and he said that “I have come now come along let us have the shard”, He said that “I will not even give you a cup of tea to you today” He said how? You call me for the Shard I am supposed to eat at your place, he says no, we have not cooked anything and I am not going to give you a cup of tea, if there is no Muhrata today, he said according to Tilak Panchanga it is, he said I have studied also Tilak Panchanga, I have studied all this, you get out of here. The mother was poor thing you know, she said “how you can this, he is our old thing”, he said “this is the only chance I have to get rid of this old fool” and he just told him, get out you will not stay in this house and I am not going to give a cup of tea.Then in Panduranga’s temple, in…, Panduranga’s temple is there you know about Vitthhalla’s in Panderpur [not clear] we have people going down there and when I saw these people I was surprised, they were all crazy people for a month poor things are singing songs eat little take that nasha of tobacco and go singing songs for months together they go to see Panduranga, there and these people who live there are called as Badwe, their names are absolutely suited you see, like in Kolhapur they are called as Bhootis, can you imagine? The Brahmins are called as Bhootis and these are called as Badwe’s, and these people ask them, “How is it, you have got cracks in your heads?” He said that this Naral, this naariyal or you can call the coconut was broken at the lotus feet of Panduranga, I said, how? I couldn’t understand, these Badwe’s were doing this job and when I said that these Badwe’s should know if they don’t behave, they are going to have a very bad time, you see everybody was shocked but you’ll be amazed within eight days the government took over that place and its working out, but now their language has changed, but this is how these people have been troubling us, but now we have got four Brahmins, four Brahmins living in Panderpur who are after their throat and they go to the temple and tell people that don’t listen to the [unclear] and they are propagating and they said that if you want anything you ask us, but don’t give a single Pai to these Badwa’s, good for nothing, useless, whatever you want to do, you do it to the deity and don’t touch these people, treat them as untouchables and these are the people who have started it. It is we who can change the people.Once we get realization, the transformation starts taking place within us. When the transformation takes place, a person becomes fearless. He is not tempted easily by things, for example I have known people, who use to take a lot of bribes, have given up taking up bribe, because their financial condition also improves, their Lakshmi tattwa is awakened and they do not take any bribes, their Dharma is jaagrut, they do not drink, many people who were drunkards have given up drinking, because the Dharma is awakened within us, you just can’t bare it. Just like a human being cannot bear dirt but an animal can. In the same way, it happens to you, you just don’t bear it, you don’t want to have it anymore. In the same way, your political situation will improve, because what is the problem today, what is the problem? If you have went down to Maharashtra and there the people said that we have a problem of sugar, I said why, you produce a lot of sugar, he said there is one fellow known as Sugar king, he has hoarded all the Sugar. I said really, then why don’t you inform the police about it? They said, when Janta government was there he gave them money, now this government is here, he gives them money, he gives money to all police officers, he is driving all of them and he also bribed us and made us vote for certain people, who are under his control. I said, then you are responsible for this. You get your realization and next time only vote for or stand with a realized soul. Do not vote for anyone who is not a realized soul and you will see this country will change just like this; the whole situation will change. It is you who are misusing your votes, in the villages even for one time need they give votes. How are you going to improve your people? How this deterioration is going to stop by only, by your Parivartan, by your transformation, that’s only possible through Kundalini awakening.When the Kundalini awakening takes place, the man knows his esteem, he stands up like a human being and he doesn’t behave like a dog, who runs after every position you get, every money you get, “give me, give me”. It’s not like that. He stands in his dignity and in his [not clear] and nobody can put him down. This is what it is; the Sahaja Yoga is such a blessing, for all of us, in all the world, wherever there is a chaos, it is everywhere now and so many angles it is going to it, for Samaj Karya also, now in Samaj specially in the north, you see the condition is very bad, the woman are treated very shabbily, they say it’s the influence of the Muslim religion and whatever it is. But if you go to Turkey, you will be surprised that the people treat woman with such respect and such understanding. In our own scriptures it is written that: “Yatra naryastu pujyante ramante tatra Devata” [Manu smriti 3-56] Means, where the woman is respected, there resides the Gods, but the woman has to be respectable also, if she is not a respectable, no use respecting her. It is both ways, but the way we treat our woman, in the villages, especially in the North, like Bihar, U.P, Punjab, Punjab is now better, woman have taken over quite a lot. But that should not be the case, woman should remain woman but men must respect them. What I mean, that woman must be respected as they are and men must be respected as they are. They don’t have to change their places but, in these places, all Bengal all of them you know how [unclear]. Women commit suicides in that country because they cannot get married and they are put down. If you cannot get married what does it matter? You have to give dowry, if you don’t give dowry you cannot get married. All kinds of problems a husband will come drunkard, he will beat his wife because he is fallen in love with another woman, he is going to some other person. The wife has to come as out and she becomes a woman who has no husband, everybody ill-treats the woman. All sorts of things are here, why? Because we do not understand that woman is the Shakti. In her lies the Shakti we have to respect the women.When the women are not respected that country goes to dogs and the women must know that they are Shakti and they are to be respectable and not to be frivolous and cheap the way Indian women are now taking to western life I am really shocked, that means that our tradition has no depth in it. That the way we have accepted all these nonsensical values of the West, where the West has gone to dogs and we are going to dogs for this I will hold the woman responsible who behave so cheaply on the streets and in the offices and in the houses. It is the women who have to keep the Dharma going. Now with this, it is very remarkable, what is happening, if the mother of the house is not respected, is treated like a servant, she has no place in the family, husband comes from the office and shouts at her, children cannot respect her, they cannot be disciplined, if the mother is not respected. Your children can never be disciplined. You see now, you talk of indiscipline, indiscipline everywhere. I remember, when I was young, we could not do even a thing without asking our mother. If we had our father we wanted to, he’d say, “Did you ask your mother? Go and ask your mother” In the family, in the house she was the Grahalakshmi, she was given all the keys all the money, not a single pie was spent without asking her. But these days, the woman have become so either very miserly or so extra wagon that men do not know what to do with them. It was both ways, women have to be wise, they are the axis the Dhuri of the society, that’s only possible when they are realized, suddenly I find very rebellious woman become so, so beautiful, so beautiful and so women like, so sweet, their, their tongue, their whole behaviour everything changes so beautifully, it’s surprising, even western women I have seen, who walk like horses normally.If you see them, they really walk like horses, but they change their dresses and their whole thing they become so feminine, so sweet, in their talks and everything, then what will happen to Indian women? But men must know they have to respect women, if they try to dominate their women, they will become the same as the western woman and you will not know what to do with yourself. If the woman decides to be bad, there’s no end to miseries that should not be done. So, please make it a short circuit and let us understand that for Sahaja yogi it is important to respect the wife. So, that there is discipline, still I must give all my respect to the Indian women, despite all these things, despite the, all the men have changed their dresses, all the men have become English, Indian women have still kept their dresses and their discipline. Our men still think, they are great English people, but our Indian women are not willing to accept that situation. I am not saying that there is something wrong with English, but if we are Indians we should be Indians, if they are English they should be English and in the same way with our life, when there is realization, a woman becomes a complete woman and a man becomes a complete man and a complete man we have before us is Shri Rama, how he loved his wife, in separation and in meeting, how he loved and how they, despite all their love, how they suffered. We have before us Shri Rama where he respected his wife. It is a essential for men to understand that you are Indians and you have to behave like them. You do not know the greatness of our Indian women. If you do not treat them well, I can assure you a day will come only very cheap and nasty and what you call demonic women will be born here and you will be unable to enter even your homes. You will be standing outside on your streets. So be careful about it and also you has brought us before, the way you treat your wife the same way your daughters will be treated even worse, then you will know what you did, so be kind to her because she has married to you she is not your slave. It is very important. In northern India more because they think that southern India, Maharashtra and southern India women, men are henpecked unless and until they beat their wives, they are henpecked according to them. These ideas must be given up but this is only possible when you get your realization. Real joy of leading a very happy married life extremely beautiful married life of mutual love and mutual understanding develops I have seen this happening to so many people the relationship improving the relationship between parents and children improving the whole thing becoming so joyous and so beautiful and the children becoming so obedient and so sweet, it’s a beautiful thing so when the atmosphere is fragrant with your spirituality the whole aroma, the whole atmosphere we can say completely charmed, absolutely charmed by your peaceful life. This is the bliss we have to see.Today I talked about these things because void is very important thing for us where all our social, samajic, political, rajkiya and also our spiritual problems can be solved.Apart from that I had told you yesterday about our physical problems, tomorrow I will talk about other charkas to you. I hope you have understood today’s lecture. Though, I spoke in a very entertaining manner but you have to know that all this entertainment has to go within yourself, you have to take within yourself, it’s not meant for others as soon as you say it is for other, the women will look at the husbands and the husbands will look at the wife. They do not know it is meant for you and not for others. All of you should take it up, that am I doing this, am I doing this, try to correct yourself, you have to be decent husbands and decent wives and I would like to see very happy married couples amongst Sahaja Yogis, when this will happen then the great souls will take birth on this earth, you will see great people will be born.Already so many Sahaja Yogis have given birth to very, very great souls. You will be amazed they know Kundalini from their very childhood this will happen I am sure one day it will come and that all the souls who want to take birth will be born on this earth, especially in India. Already lots of great souls I have seen also in England, let me go I see in Australia I am sure it’s happening everywhere. But if you are realized souls you really become perfect parents and you really invite the great souls on this earth to work it out.May God Bless You.

2/9/1981

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Heart, Vishuddhi, Agnya, Sahasrara

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Public Program, New Delhi (India) 9 February 1981. I talked to you about the Void in our body, which is called as Bhavasagara [Hindi], Bhavasagara in our Sahaja Yoga language. Today we have to understand the other chakras, which are above the Bhavasagara. Last time I told you how by following wrong gurus and spoiling your Guru principle you get problems in your stomach. Also your extreme behavior towards religion, your fanaticism, creates problems which may go up to something like cancer. Also, the another extreme behavior of people who become very dry by their over-activity on the right side and have no feelings for the family and neglect the family, have no relationship with their wives of a normal nature, also may develop problems of the stomach. This chakra I didn’t talk to you before, about the speedometer within us, which is the Nabhi. I think I did mention something about it. This is one of the most important chakras within us and I think, before going over to other chakras, I must say that how our spleen gets spoilt and how we get into problems like blood cancer, which is a very common disease today in the West and is also invading our country, with such a speed [Hindi]. This is a - I didn’t talk to you about it but I have talked about this to other people. Now this spleen is the one which creates blood cells for our emergencies. Any emergency comes in, it has to produce new blood cells to fight the emergency or to face the emergency or to solve the problems of the emergency. In the modern times, we have lost the idea of controlling our speed. We talk telescopically, we walk telescopically, we arrive at a point so telescopically that the point is left behind before we arrive. Now this spleen is the one, when you are eating your food, is also producing blood corpuscles to fight or, you can say, to digest the food. At the same time if you are listening to some horrid news and horrible emergencies that suddenly come up, or if you are reading newspapers, or if you are running away to your office, this is a very common thing with government servants that they have no time for their breakfast. They will take one hour in the bathroom and in five minutes, they want to finish their breakfast. All such persons face the problem of getting into some sort of a complication of the spleen because when you eat your food, and suddenly try to run, the poor spleen has to go with a double speed to cope up with your additional activities. It used to be a style in olden days that all the people would sit for food very comfortably and the food was served with great care and everybody was given sufficient time to eat the food. And there would be a lady to fan the gentleman who would keep the pace of the man’s eating process at a proper level, and the food would be eaten with little leisure. But nowadays I find that people have no sense that we are human beings and we are not machines. In Delhi, I feel the schools are really very cruel people. I find even in this winter season the children have to go to school at 6.30 or 6 o’clock in the morning. And somebody must bring some legal procedure against these schools. Is absolutely essential, your children are going to be in great difficulties if you do not pay attention to this fact. To get up early in the morning at that time, then walk in the cold season, take your bath, many people take their bath, also with hot water, and then suddenly go out in that cold, take your breakfast just in a standing manner, in a very rushing manner, the mother is running with a bottle in the hand, and pouring the milk for the child, and the child is somehow or other trying to gulp it down and taking a bread in the hand and rushing about. This is even worse than military, I can tell you. For such small children who are growing, it is essential that they must have their breakfast when they are quite in tune with the atmosphere, not at the early in the morning at 6:30 to get up and rush them with their breakfast is something extremely cruel that we are doing to our children. This will not only spoil their Vishuddhi - according to, I think modern people, Vishuddhi trouble is to be accepted all the time, means all cold, coughs, and all that is a part of life, you can’t complain about it, somehow it has to go hand in hand with you. They do not want to find solutions for that. People might say in olden days, people used to get up at 4 o’clock, all right, they would. But they never used to get out of their houses so fast. And the style of life was very different in those days. People had very good food to eat, they had things full of vitamins, and the pressures on their lives were much -, much less. As it is we have no time to pay any attention to our children. On top of that, the way we hurry them up is so dangerous, that I don’t know, I have never known that children go so early in Delhi, which is so freezingly cold, so early and come back home at about 2:30 in the afternoon. To come back at 2:30 in the afternoon, after eating that hurried meal at home, or whatever you may call a breakfast or whatever you may call it, so called, and then come back at 2:30 and what are they going to eat? There is timing for everything. The food digestion takes about three hours and children feel hungry. As it is there is no food and this is how about five and a half hours, you keep them away in the schools without any food for what? What knowledge are you giving to your children? What is the special knowledge you are giving to your children? What is such a great thing that the world has achieved by having these institutions of education, so called? First of all you are creating children who will be very sick. It is not going to give them longevity. Secondly, the way the people rush about for their work. In the morning time, there is no need to rush about. If you can get up early in the morning, sleep early and get up in the morning, take your time and eat your breakfast properly and go to office, have something in the afternoon, and then in the evening, you’ll be amazed, you will get over fifty percent of your sicknesses. Because at the right time, if you give a proper practice to your stomach, you get your juices oozing out at the right time. You don’t make your stomach crazy by that. But, by this kind of emergency all the time arising, listening to horrible things at the time when you are eating your food or doing something important, your spleen goes crazy. It does not know. It loses its power to produce proper blood cells. It does not know how to produce it, it really becomes crazy and in that craziness, it starts producing blood cells at odd hours, wrong hours, it does not know when to produce, it is always in emergency, it is never stationed in its normal state. At this stage, if there is an attack from your collective subconscious area, about which now doctors are now talking in England, that there is an attack of some proteins unknown to them, they call them as protein 58 and all that, you are very much prone to get blood cancer. Moreover, if your attention is too much on the left or the right to the extreme, you are even more prone. For example, you are a planner, you plan morning till evening, so your attention is more on the future. That means your attention is on the right-hand side. It’s like a cloth you can say, the attention in the stomach, is protruding to the right or to the left. Now, if your attention is too much on the right, means you are planning all the time, as I told you, doctors may not accept it, but is a fact that when you think too much and plan too much, your Nabhi or your Swadishthana Chakra is converting the fat cells for the use of the brain. At that time, if you put more pressure into it, by over-activity of the right-hand side, which is your kriya shakti, it happens that you may enter into it to such an extent that at that time, if you have any such problem, you are easy to get some problem with your liver because it is on the right-hand side; and the poor liver suffers, you get cyrrosis of the liver or just like cancer of the liver. Now, in Sahaja Yoga, what happens really is this, your attention is spread like a cloth, and when the Kundalini rises, She pushes your attention upward and the attention is a sheath around the Kundalini. When She pierces the Brahmarandhra, then your attention starts oozing out into the Supreme or what we call the Super Consciousness, which is here spread, into the sukshma, into the subtle consciousness. Your whole attention is pulled up there and that is how you cure your blood cancer, your liver cancer, and all the cancer that is connected with this kind of attention. Not only cancer but many other diseases, like kidney trouble, liver trouble and all other - we can say diabetes, intestinal troubles, and even you might get relief to your diaphragm, sometimes which is very much in tension with people who are agitated all the time. Those people who think they are important, I think are really not aware of what importance they have to themselves. We must understand our own esteem, and we must know that we are human beings, and that we are very important to God if not to anybody else. As human beings, we have to also realize that we have come on this earth from amoeba stage to this stage, and God has worked so hard for us that we have no business to go on slashing ourselves into absolutely ridiculous sick people who are no good for God and no good for anyone whatsoever. Now, this attention is, how it is diverted from this to that, can be seen that when people are very much right-handed or ego-oriented, as we call it, they try to take their attention away from their ego. Actually those people who are very ego-oriented always take to some kind of intoxication because they just can’t sleep in the night. Their attention so much is in the future that they cannot sleep. By sleep, they might go into the left side. So they have to drink a lot. They will have more alcohols than normal people do. They’ll have drugs or they’ll have some sort of a thing, ultimately they have to take sleeping pills, without sleeping pills they cannot sleep. The reason is, the attention in the man is so disturbed, and he does not know how to give it a proper chance to lead a normal existence that this attention is always thinking, thinking, thinking like mad and he does not know how to stop that thinking. In Sahaja Yoga, it happens automatically because your attention goes beyond thinking. You develop your thoughtless awareness without any difficulties, but you do not establish it. You have to establish your thoughtless awareness and for that, you have to work it out. And that working out takes little time. If people can really work it out properly, they can never get into these troubles. On the contrary, even if they may not be doctors, or may not be physicians, they may be able to cure other people who have this problem. But in Sahaja Yoga, you must know that it’s a new knowledge for you. It was a secret knowledge before this, very much a secret. Of course, I must say Kabirdas and Guru Nanak and Adi Shankaracharya and all these people talked of Kundalini. Gyaneshwara talked of Kundalini and he said that this is this and this is that. But they did not give a full detailed idea about Sahaj Yog because it was useless to tell them all about it when they were not realized. But they did inform because they knew that this time was going to come when they will be told about it and if they had not said about this, they would have come up and said that, “From where are you getting word Kundalini? It is not written anywhere.” Because as I told yesterday in My lecture that people have more faith in My photograph that than in Myself. Human beings are so funny that they believe into something that is printed than what is said. Just now, I’m saying something to you. I’m standing before you. But when I’m in the present, you do not want to accept Me. But if I have said something, and is printed, you’ll say, “Yes.” I’ve seen also people who have My tapes, they believe into My tapes than into My speeches when I’m speaking to them. It’s most surprising how a human mind rushes off to the past or to the future. This is a human nature which is always going out, and it is the attention which is going out because of a particular problem within human beings. Now that problem I just cannot discuss because I need little drawings for that which we don’t have. But I have got in some of My speeches I’ve explained, why the attention of man goes out - because of his prismatic nature of his brain. But that prismatic nature and the, I should say, the dual density of his brain creates a problem, by which the attention of man goes out. Now the attention [of] the man has to be sucked in. If I tell you, you pay attention to Me, you can. If I tell these children, “Pay attention to Me”, they may for a while, but again they’ll start playing. So, if I tell them that “pay attention to Me”, they will see Me and they’ll start paying attention to Me. But if I say, “Pay attention to yourself”, you cannot pay. You may say that, “All right, we are praying inside, we are doing antar yoga, this that” - is all a myth, it’s not there. When the attention is inside, you are in the present, you don’t think, you are in the present. When the attention is outside, then either you are on the left side or the right side, by which you are paying attention to your past or to the future. All your thoughts are coming from the past and from the future. At this present moment, there is no thought. But this, to stop this, is very difficult. To say now, you cannot do that. There’s a space in between, which is called Vilamba, which is achieved through Kundalini awakening, it passes through the left and right side of ego and superego, and in the center you achieve your thoughtless awareness. Now, this process of Kundalini rising upward can be hampered at a [level] - another chakra which is at the heart level, in the center in the spinal cord. It is expressed outside in the sternum and we can say that till the boy or the girl is about twelve years of age, from the sternum the anti-bodies are created, they go in the whole body and spread there and fight the diseases. Now, these anti-bodies, in Sahaja Yoga language, are the armies of the Jagadamba, of Durga, of the Mother of this world. She resides in this center according to Sahaja Yoga language. But it may be that people will not believe into it, “How can that be that Durga resides there?” Somebody told Me it’s not written in the book. I said, “Thank God, it is not written.” Otherwise you would have never understood it and you would have a mess of everything, as you have done it of whatever was written has been made into a rigmarole. So now, this Goddess is in this center. When this center is out of gear, first of all your anti-bodies are reduced. There are so many medicines which reduce your anti-bodies. But people take it because it gives them a little relief for the time being. But they become then prone to other diseases because if the anti-bodies are reduced, then you cannot find [may Shri Mataji mean “fight”?] the other, other diseases and the strength is reduced. Now, in all our medicines, we forget that we are a complete being, we are not just a physical being, but emotional being, and also a mental being, and above all, a spiritual being. Now when we forget this, we are only worried about the physical side of it. And when our physical side is in trouble, we want to do everything under the sun; but we do not know by doing that we are spoiling our emotional side. By spoiling our emotional side, it can be very dangerous, that medicines, which reduce the anti-bodies in the body, can lead you to madness, ultimately. First they give you giddiness, must you sleep a lot, and after that too much sleeping, too much of these medicines, can cause madness. Because you are thrown into the left side and you can be attacked and you can become a mad person. So these medicines are so dangerous that people without understanding the complete nature of man just try to treat part of it. In Sahaja Yoga we, as he said, I do not take any medicines, My …. as Kabira has said, “I do not take any medicines, for me Parabrahma is the one who is my Vaidya, He treats me”. And is a fact, now the time has come to prove what Kabira has said, what Nanaka has said, what Adi Shankaracharya has said, what Christ has said. There is no need to take medicine to cure this centre. We spoil this centre by other means also. For example, if you… there can be very simple reasons for spoiling it. You take your bath with hot water. Normally to take a hot bath - a hot bath is all right, but that should be done in the night when you don’t go out at all. Then you sleep off, you are in the room and there cannot be a problem. But I’ve seen in England most of the Indians who come and see Me have got trouble with their lungs. They have a problem with their lungs and sometimes they get lung cancer very easily. And what I found out that they take a very hot bath like English people. Actually English people take seldom their baths. So [She laughs, general laughter] and it is very common to see in English homes sixty bedrooms with a bath, you see. Because they don’t require it much. But even if they have to take, they take it in the night. [Laughter] They don’t take it early in the morning like Indians do. You see, you have to live in England the way English are - and not that, you cannot live like that, is a bit too much [laughter] - but still you can sometimes understand that if you have to take the bath early in the morning, and then go to office, you are definite to catch this centre or a centre next to that which is called as right heart in our Sahaja Yoga language. Now this center heart is caught, or the right heart is caught, because you suddenly expose yourself to cold weather. In the same way in Delhi you may catch it, that you just have your hot bath and get out into the cold. Now best thing is that you take your hot bath always, and then allow the water to be mixed with cold water, make the tap run and then you take your bath, end up with cool water. You’ll be amazed you will never catch cold. Is a very simple thing to do. Once you practice this, you will never catch cold. I have seen people living very near Himalayas where it’s absolutely very, very cold twelve months. They always take their baths early in the morning sitting outside with cold water. They never take bath with hot water. They never have hot water to take their bath. And I’ve not seen any person suffering from this cold in the hills. They keep very good health as far as the cold is concerned despite the fact it is very cold. It’s a matter of little habit, if the sahaj yogis who are realized souls, if they practice this, I tell you all your Vishuddhis which are so horribly caught up will be all right and I will have less trouble [laughter, She laughs]. Because today I was clearing everybody’s Vishuddhi there. Now this right-side heart is caught up, is most surprising that it is caught up, because it is the, it is bestowed upon by the deity of Shri Rama. Shri Rama is the Father deity. He is the Father, he is the Father king and he is the Father of this world, is the Father head. Supposing you are a bad father, you will catch this. Ultimately, with this center you always get asthma, always. All asthma patients who have come to Me have been cured - so far. I have cured most of the ailments of right heart. There is another cause of this is, supposing somebody’s father is dead in early years, very early years when the child was not yet properly settled down, or he died at a time with an accident or may be with a worry about the child. Then he haunts the child. This is true. At that time, if you just tell your father that “I’m all right, don’t worry, you take your birth, I’ll be all right”, you’ll be amazed, this asthma can go. There was a governor of Kashmir, who was a very, very respectable man and we had gone to him as state guests. One morning he came walking barefeet in Kashmir to our guesthouse, I was amazed why he was walking down. So went down to see him. He said, “Today I’ve come to see You as a Mother and not as Mrs. Shrivastava. And I have come to ask You for one boon that I’ve had this asthma for twenty-five years and can You cure me?”. And it was cured in five minutes flat. It’s that simple. If you take the name of Shri Rama, if Nanaka says is all right or if Kabira does is all right, but if you unauthorized way if you go on pestering Shri Ram for everything, then also this chakra can be caught. Those people who believe in Hanumana, also if they go on too much with it, it can be caught. Hanumana is the deity for your air, for your breathing, and when you try to suffocate Hanumana within you, you get the trouble of His disappearing from that center, or you can say He sleeps and you get these two troubles of - one is asthma and also sometimes you might get choking. Suddenly, people, some people when they are talking, suddenly they choke up. Now this, this is very easy to cure, very, very easy to cure asthma can be cured very easily. But the center heart when it is in problem it can be with anything. We have here a patient who was doing this Santoshi Mata’s vrat and she got this trouble. Now Santoshi Mata, there’s nothing like that. It’s absurd! Any Santoshi Mata is created by some cinema fellow and all the women are doing this and they are fasting on Friday. If you fast on Friday in the name of the Goddess, you can fast if you want to, but not in the name of Goddess - you are definite to catch this thing because that is the day when She was born. Friday is the day as regarded as the day of the Goddess. And that day one has to celebrate it instead of fasting. Apart from that, when you start taking Her name morning till evening every time, She gets fed up of you and She disappears from there. She just doesn’t like you and you might develop a big problem. She is the One who gives you sense of security. She is the One She gives you sense of security. When your sense of security is disturbed, then you get the catch on this one. For example, the women who suffer from, say, breast cancer are only doing so because of this, because She is the Great Mother and as a mother, you suffer. Supposing a husband is a bad man and a flirt, and the woman thinks he is not all right. It is important for man to console his wife and see that she has complete faith in her security. But specially in India we try to make our women extremely insecure by the way we talk to them, the way we treat them. I mean, we are extremely cruel people as far as our wives are concerned. Because I have seen people here, we have such a big dowry system and all sorts of systems in all our horrible customs and castes. If a daughter is there, then there’s all weakness for her, but the wife is also a daughter of somebody else, nobody thinks. They will say if the wife asks for anything, “Go and ask your father. Why didn’t he give it in the marriage?” There is no fondness for the wife. There’s no understanding that she is the one who is to be loved. She is to be given all the security. And we put all kinds of insecurities into her, we shout at her, some… so many people also beat their wives. In England, invariably men beat their wives, surprisingly supposed to be very educated, sophisticated people. The more sophisticated they are, the worse they are. Not only they beat their wives, but they kill their children. Every week two children are killed in England. And we are going the same way. I tell you I had never known people who used to beat their wives when I was a child or when I was grown up. I have seen My father that he always respected My mother very much. But nowadays I find that husbands have no respect for the wife at all. They think they are very great people even if they are clerks or anything they think the wife is a peon. If the husband is a peon he thinks the wife is a jamadar [laughter]. If he is the jamadar I don’t know what he must be thinking his wife to be. And this kind of mythical complexes that human beings have developed, women develop this kind of a trouble, specially when men are flirts. You see, when men start looking out for other women it upsets women; it upsets their sense of security. She is the mother of your children. She feels that any day she is challenged and any days she’ll be insulted, she is a mother and as your children’s mother, she must be respected. If she is not respected, she is absolutely prone to this kind of a sense of insecurity in which she might develop this breast cancer. And this breast cancer is a very serious disease, as you know. We have cured many people from breast cancer. Many people have been cured of breast cancer and the relationship between husband and wife has improved after that. But while she gets breast cancer, then you should see the husband. He gets absolutely upset, he does not know what to do because Indian husbands do not know how to cook even, they do not know even how to buy a vegetable, they don’t know what are different dhals are. They don’t know any work whatsoever in the house. They are not like English husbands or any Western husbands, and some of the Western people told me that Indian men are cowards. They cannot take a divorce because they don’t know how to cook [laughter]. So, this is the condition of our Indian men, they are entirely dependant on their wives for everything, still they try to dominate their women so much; and I’m speaking in English, I’m sorry I have to say this but it is the case. And when, you see, the women, when they find men behaving like this, they become tigresses. Some of them become such horrible tigresses that they can ruin not only the family but families after families and nations after nations. You are creating a woman who is challenging you and then once she starts challenging - and the result of that I have seen that in England or in any other such country, France, Germany, Germany specially. In Germany women are hitlerish, absolutely hitlerish, men shake before them [laughter]. Absolutely, they are just like ghatis, you see, in the hamals, working in the house. The woman stands with her both hand on her hips and she says, “You haven’t cleaned this. You haven’t done this, what have you been doing? This is not clean.” They have to clean all the utensils in the house, everything, they have to keep the kitchen absolutely sparklingly clean, otherwise the men would be scolded on, “You don’t know how to keep it clean? Better go and learn from your neighbor.” And poor neighbors consult each other and do their homework [laughter]. Moreover the laws are such, they have passed such laws that when the wife divorces a husband, she gets half of the property, half of the income of the husband, as long as she does not marry. For example, a man is living in a huge big place. Suddenly his wife decides to divorce - decides, there’s no reason needed for that. If she decides to divorce, then they get a divorce, and the house is to be sold, and the money is to be given half, half. [Laughter] Then if such a wife marries twice or thrice, she is a rich lady while this man is a pauper [laughter]. This is a very common sight. I have seen this very common in America specially, that she says that he was my husband, he looks like a chauffeur, and this lady is going in such big Cadillacs and all that, with a [laughter] - I wouldn’t say cigarette, it’s more than that [laughter] - and with a stick in the hand, you see, very smart. And while the husband is all tattered and torn, and working as a chauffeur somewhere. So, that another extreme is also horrid. A woman is not to be like that, she has to be a decent gracious personality and she is not to take up this challenge, it’s not wise to take these challenges from men. At least, Indian women know that, most of them know, I hope so, they will keep it up. But the men must understand now that they have to respect women. If they do not respect their women, then the daughters that they have, will be coming out like that and they’ll show such results that you’ll be shocked. One day they may even slap their father on the face. It is quite possible, all such things can happen in this country also. So one has to be careful. Now I’ve said it because these two centers are very important, Shri Rama, who is the deity of Maryadas, of boundaries, how a human being must live. All His life, He never showed any special interest in giving realization to people. But - of course, He destroyed Ravana and He destroyed many rakshasas. But main message of His life is a life of a dedicated husband, who loved His wife very much and a man who sacrificed His beloved for the sake of His being a good king. But just the other way round you find, in this country where we think love is great - here, I’ve known of many Ministers whose wives rule the family. Take, sacrifice is not there, on the contrary, the wives are so important that they can make the husbands just sit in the corner and nobody says anything about it. But I have also known even worse cases where the whole country is sold in the name of their children. It is such a serious thing. We do not understand that these children are not something that are going to carry your name, but what is going to carry your name is your own worth, is your own style, is in your own character, and your own leadership. Nobody is going to be bothered who is the one who is your son or who is your daughter or who is who. So those people who try such things, to think that their children and their children or - children are so important, then they should realize that it was Shri Rama who sacrificed His beloved, when She was pregnant and He led a life of an ascetic remembering His wife. This sacrifice was too much for Shri Ram because He really loved Her, really, could not exist without Her, it was too much. And then at a time when it comes to, Sita also left Him. And She left Him in Her own grace and in Her own grandeur. She didn’t allow Him to touch His body and She just disappeared, like a woman has to do. While in the modern times, it is not so. If the husband has harmed you, then the women will go to the courts, she’ll put him in the jail and she will see that he is punished nicely. Why? Because he was busy with other women. Now, what I’m saying, if you think that you love your husband and that’s why you are angry that he should have nothing to do with other women, why should you put him in the jail? Why should you trouble him and torture him? So we have to realize that husband and wife relationship is extremely important for sahaja yogis. You are the complements of each other. If the relationship is not all right, Sahaja Yoga does not work out. It is not that a woman becomes so dominant, but it is the complement, the love between the two, the beauty of love, and the understanding. You need not even smile at your husband, you need not even, when he is going - you see, in England I have seen or anywhere else I have seen, people will be all the time kissing each other and doing all kinds of gestures to show that they love. And if you ask them, “Where are you going?” - Even on an escalator you’ll find them like that. And if you ask them where are they going they will say that, “Just now we are going for a divorce case.” [Laughter] The show is not needed, but from the heart, you must feel that oneness with your husband and that love for him and the husband must feel that love; and it’s the only relationship, it’s the only, believe Me, which is the most beautiful. The relationship with your children, you will understand when they will earn, with your daughter she will understand when they are married. With your parents also, when they are grown up, you are grown up you have your wife, you’ll find there will be a – you’ll find their conceit coming up. But the relationship with your wife is the most private and the most treasured relationship and that’s why people have sung so many poems about it and so many things. In Indian language, the - we have a certain law about even writing. Whatever is not hitakari is not accepted because it is called as Sahitya. Sahitya means Saha Hita, the one which gives you Hita to your Atma is the only Sahitya. The literature is Sahitya, whichever is not is not literature, is trash. And in Sanskrit language Shringara which is not with your wife, is not a Shringar, is ashleela. It has to be with your wife or to whom you are engaged to. And it is such a pure thing, is such a pure thing. And if people can understand how to enjoy that purity, they will become themselves pure and they will have the best essence of it. You see, when it comes to buying something, we want pure silk, we want pure diamond, we want pure gold. But when it comes to our love, we want to have all kinds of mixed-up impurities, perversions. And then we say, “Oh, I got tired. I cannot enjoy”. Because it’s not pure! The purity of that relationship must be enjoyed. In Sahaja Yoga we don’t believe in sannyasa, as I told you and there should be no sannyasa now, because there are many great souls who want to be born on this earth and we have to make arrangements for them. We have to have people who are happily married, who respect each other, love each other, so that the great saints can be born here. In this relation, I would say a very interesting talk that I had with a BBC fellow who came to interview Me. And he was, as usual, they are very sarcastic and they think they are very smart. They did not know they were meeting a smarter person [laughter]. First he said to Me that, “How is it You are here and doing so much for us, but why don’t You go and help Indians who are so poor?” I said, “I’m sorry Sir, I’m in England and I’m on your soil, I shouldn’t say this, it’s not gracious for Me to say, but you have asked such a question, I must answer it. With full apologies, I must say: who is responsible for the poverty of India?” [Laughter] And he kept quiet. Then he came out with second question, you see, very smart fellow. He said that “But, what do You think of the population problem of India? We are so much worried about it. Why don’t You look after the population problem of Your India?” “Of course I’m in England, I would have never been there, I’m only there because My husband is there.” But I said, “Really, I’m sorry that this is in India, but what to do? There’s no solution for it.” He said, “Are we also responsible for that?” I said, “I’m sorry to say, very much so.” [Laughter] He said, “How are we responsible for your population problem?” I said, “The trouble is, you see, the people who are taking birth have to decide, who will take birth in this England? [Laughter and applause] There two children every week are killed by the parents for nothing at all, where the children are legal, everything - who, which foolish man will take birth here [laughter] except for people who are of a very high grade - spirituality, you don’t bother about these things [She laughs]; or only the rakshasas who will come and hit their parents and that’s what they are doing today. They are treating you well, the way you are parents, and you don’t know what to do with them”. And this is what it is I have to tell you that unless and until we really respect our wives and give them proper attention and proper help, the discipline of this country is not going to improve. It is she who disciplines the children, is important to give her a complete sense of security. And the conceit of man has to go away, that he thinks he’s very important, he’s not. It is both, if they are together, then the whole unit is important, you can’t live with one eye, you have to have both the eyes. If one eye thinks he is more important, that means one eye should disappear to see what happens without [laughter]. After these, we come to another center, which is extremely important in Sahaja Yoga called as Vishuddhi chakra, which is placed behind this part. Now it is not an exact position in every human being. It’s little lower, higher, so one should not say that this is at this point. Because we have to understand, this I’m talking about the living process. You can put dead things at the exact position, at the exact date. But can you say that the tree will grow in this form, can you say before the tree is grown? It will take its own form. Can you say the roots will grow like that? Can you say so many, exactly so many flowers will be there? Or exactly so many flowers will become fruits? You cannot say. Can you say at this time, at this hour, at this moment, the flower is going to become the fruit? So, in the same way, you cannot say exactly about Sahaja Yoga that where is this particular center is placed. Is above that. You have to feel it, the vibrations, and you can make it out that in some person it’s slightly higher, in some person it is lower. But why it is so important is this center is that this denotes our real evolution into a human being. When the man raised his head up like that, this center developed into us by which we developed this ego and superego within us. How this has happened is another big lecture [She laughs] for which I would request you to read something on “Advent” or something like that where it is little bit explained, how the awareness of man when he raised his head like this that his ego started developing, and when he raised it like that it started dominating its superego or its mana. This development within human beings is so important because at this time, here, resides Shri Krishna. Shri Krishna is sampurna. It’s called as sixteen-petalled, sampurna, complete incarnation. And sixteen petals are expressed as sixteen sub-plexuses in cervical plexus. The cervical plexus looks after the gross side of the face and the nose and the eyes and the ears and the throat. And - but the subtler side of this center is very important, which is the left side, is the sub-conscious side. And in the left side is the person who feels very guilty or a person who has not proper understanding of pure relationships of other women or other men. Such a person develops this, in his left side. Now one may say that what’s wrong in all these perverted relationships with others, and what goes wrong with us. You see, in the West specially, people believe that you can have any kind of relationship with anyone, no age, nothing, and they quite boast of it. I mean, it’s such a funny thing sometimes, when I first went there, I had no idea that they were that extent they were mad. Because the first thing, in those days, when I reached there was, the first thing on the page was love letter by an eighty-year-old lady to an eighteen-year-old boy [laughter]. And it was written, every his love letter was there. And this love letter became such a headache to Me, I could not understand how could these people think of such horrible things and write such letters and publish them in the papers. And this kind of madness, if you have, if you do not have the sense of purity about the relationship with others, you develop this left Vishuddhi. With the left Vishuddhi, you develop lots of problems. With your tobacco and smoking also you develop sometimes left Vishuddhi and also right Vishuddhi. When left Vishuddhi is developed too much, then you will find a man when he speaks, he stammers, his face is always going into contortions, his body is doing like this, noses, you will find all the Americans do like that. Like this they will be moving [laughter], there will be nervousness on the face and they would not be normal people. The thing is their left Vishuddhi is in a problem. As we say the pishani, this forehead is absolutely wrinkled up and they have big, big furrows at a very young age. Because I was amazed that some woman who was only thirty years of age, half of My age, had such furrows and I thought she was an old lady, I was very respectful to her, I got up, gave her My seat and all that and I was standing up. [Laughter] And after some time, she said, “Thank You very much, very kind of You” and all that and she asked Me - somehow I asked her, “What are you doing?” She said, “I’m still studying, doing PhD.” I said ,”What? [Laughter] Still studying? What’s your age?” She said, “Thirty.” I said, “Really? Will you please get up? I have to sit down.” [Laughter and applause, She laughs] I mean, there the criteria of health is to be just like mosquitoes, you see, the trouble is they have to be like mosquitoes. And as it is, they must remain very thin just like as we call in Hindi, haddimarka. And on top of that they wear high heels, you see, and walk just like, what you call, like spiders [laughter] you see, from here to there, and you don’t know where they’ll put their foot onto you [laughter]. And that is regarded as a beauty there. And so surprising that at a very young age they start looking so very old that this mistake can be done by many of us. Moreover, the another problem comes of left Vishuddhi, when people do not have proper sense of womanhood and manhood. Is very common in England and other countries, Western countries, like America is much worse, you cannot make out a man from a woman. You see, the women dress up just like horses, they walk like horses [laughter], I mean, the whole thing is so funny that, you see, this is big problem for us how to address! And sometimes it happens like this, that in a meeting, I forget all the time that this is a man, I always go on saying “She.” Then he: “He”. Then they say, “No, this is a man.” I remember then this is a man, it’s such a problem! One day, we were going by car, My husband and Myself we asked ourselves, “Do you think the person who is going in the other car is a man or a woman?” I said, “Now”… Then our car went ahead, still we looked back, he said, “I can’t say.” I said, “I can’t say.” [She laughs] So, I asked our driver, who is an Englishman, he looked back he said, “Madam, we are sorry, I’m also sorry, I’m a foreigner, I don’t know.” [Laughter] So this kind of perverted attitude, to behave like this - you see, you are a man, behave like a man, if you are a woman, behave like a woman. If you start behaving like a man, or a woman behaving like a man and a man behaving like a woman, you see, you must understand your muscles are made the way you are. For example, a man can do lot of work which women cannot do. There is no need to be like Russian women who are doing the, what you call, road-rollers, they are driving or whatever it is. You see, they say that Russian women can do this, but I tell you Russians, I do not want to say much, but only thing I know that when they shake hands, you know all your hand goes out. [Laughter, She laughs] Fall out [unclear]. That’s all I know, I know from the shake hands, you see, we have sometimes to shake hands with many people. I mean, Australians also are quite capable [laughter]. When Australians shake your hands, you can be sure that, at least, if not much, but at least some ounces are lost. [Laughter] Now, this is the thing is that men have to be men and women have to be women. When the women become very arrogant and become very aggressive, then men also to overpower them become even more, and a sort of a competition starts, and then they become, first become like donkeys, then become like horses, then they will become like mares, then become like lions, then tigers and you get lost among them, you don’t know what’s the matter. You see any film, anything you find nothing but fighting going on between husband and wife, as if they are married just to fight, they had no place to fight, so they are married. All the time this kind of a struggle, and this kind of a competition that goes about, gives you a very bad Vishuddhi. And that if men are smoking, “What’s wrong if we smoke?” “What’s wrong?” This is a very common thing. And now, another madness is the liberation of women has started. God knows what is going to happen to these women, what sort of left Vishuddhi they’ll be having. They’ll be having a head just like this, they might have a cancer in this part, maybe, and they might have a trouble because they are doing something so unnatural, which is not suitable to them. Is possible also in our Indian life, we can get cancer of our left Vishuddhi. How do you get cancer of the left Vishuddhi in Indian life is by taking the mantras, by taking the name of God for hours together. For example, if you start singing the song is all right. But if you go on saying Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, morning till evening, you might develop a cancer. I had a patient who came to see Me who had a cancer of the left side. I asked him, “What do you do? How did you get this?”. He told me that he is working for a firm, which supplies people to chant God’s name. I said, “What?” He said, “Yes, there is a firm which has people trained how to chant God’s name and they are supplied to all the Marwadis. Whenever they have a program, they put up these people there who go on chanting these names for hours together.” [Hindi] They go on chanting this name all the time and this chanting has created a problem for that man, because he had a job just “Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram”, I don’t know, whatever it is, and they sit down there and they go on chanting these, the money is paid for them. And also, you see, in this country we have all funny types of institutions. It’s nice to laugh at the Western people, but if we see ourselves, you’ll be amazed that we have people here in this country who go for crying also. If somebody’s dead and there are few people to cry, they have people on hire, to cry [laughter]. And they cry so loudly, I mean, they have given a special - I did not know but then we had a friend who was our neighbour and he said the best crying people are in this particular agency [laughter]. And if you call them, they’ll be very good. Then also we have people who are all the time shouting slogans, you see, this country is known for slogans, you won’t find better sloganish people than Indians are. And the slogans they have is such a, such a business, they make business out of, that’s typically Indian is to make business out of everything. So the slogan now, all right, “We’ll supply slogan people. You want these slogans, all right, we’ll give you.” Now in Delhi, perhaps, you do not know, I know this because I was with Lal Bahadur Shastri, with My husband and [She laughs] I’ve seen this, that one day people came to shout for something with the slogans, you see, near his place there was a roundabout, and where people came and started shouting slogans. And when they started shouting slogans, they were supposed to represent a particular party. And they had other banners in their hands, they had other caps and they were shouting something else, while they were supposed to represent something. So, people asked them, “Are you shouting for them? We have paid you for this [laughter, She laughs], why are you shouting for our opposite party?”. So they said that, “No, no, we were - must be a mistake, you see, they just informed us this, and we have sets of caps and sets of slogans and sets of banners. So, they gave us this, we came here, what to do now? Whatever they have given us, you go and change it and we’ll start shouting for another one.” [Laughter] So all this kind of shouting, too much talking or keeping quiet unnecessarily - that is very common in India to talk. We talk a bit too much and when we talk too much also we can catch on the right Vishuddhi very badly. While in England they won’t talk much, they just don’t talk, you see, they just stare at you with your eyes, you see [laughter], and you can be quite frightened the way they look at you. They don’t believe in talking much, but they believe in drinking much more [laughter]. And I have seen that the people do not realize what a strain it is for your throat to talk. Actually I’ve seen it Myself, I have to talk such a lot every day, I mean if there is one center which really gives Me trouble is My throat, because I have to speak, unless and until I speak, people are not very happy. For example, today was one day, I never wanted to speak, you know what’s the matter with Me that I’m so full of vibrations I didn’t want to speak. But without speech, Indians won’t be happy, I thought, “I’d better speak.” And same with the other people. They would love to hear Me talk, talk, talk. And when we do that, we catch on our Vishuddhi, we have problems on our Vishuddhi and it’s rather difficult, difficult to cure a throat where this strain is there of talking. All our leaders have to do the same and we have so many leaders that I think we can patent some sort of a medicine for their over–talking [laughter]. Now, after that we have a very, very important center here, of which you all know, is Agnya Chakra. And this center is very important because this center is placed between the pituitary and the pineal body, is a very subtle center. And this center controls both your ego and superego, so that it controls your thought. A person whose this center is out of gear, loses power over his thoughts. A person who is possessed, will be all the time talking, he cannot stop. I have seen in Paris, when you get into a bus, you see, some old people will come up and they’ll be talking all the time, they are all the time talking. I asked, “What are they talking?” So My disciple told Me there, Marie, she said: “Mother, they are talking about the last war.” I said, “What?”. “Yes”. And I said: ”People don’t say anything?” At least in Indian buses I have not seen, every bus stop there are three or four people coming and talking loudly and they are regarded as mad people, they get down, again they start talking. This kind of a disease can come in a person who is hit by a possession on the right or on the left hand side, but is more with the Agnya. If you are hit at the back, it’s a possession from outside, but if you are hit in the front, it is a possession from inside, is auto-hypnosis. For a man who is egoistical, you might get a very bad Agnya here. And such a bad Agnya, just like a balloon it grows, and you feel you should be away from that person as soon as possible. There are people who develop their ego with all kinds of misidentifications. For example, if somebody gets a promotion, or if he gets little more money than others, or has a little better life than the others, he develops this special type of a ego. Ego-oriented people are normally grow taller and superego people become dwarfs. But ego-oriented people also have a special type of a nose, you see, very straight nose if they are born with the ego. Now for such people it is important to see their ego and watch it and laugh at it, make a fun out of it and then only they can get rid of it. After realization, ego starts troubling you, you can feel the pain of ego here. Then you come to Me, “Mother, I’m catching on my right Agnya. Please take it away, please take it away.” Ego is more a cultural problem also. In a culture where it is competition and is very struggling, and all the suggestions come to you that you have to stand first, you have to be a unique personality, you start developing your ego, because your action line moves very fast; by that, by that Kriya Shakti, you create ego within you. People pamper you, that by this your ego will be all right, but you do not know, they say, “Oh you’ll look very nice.” It’s pampering. It’s the pampering of your ego from your childhood, the whole society works it out, by which you think, “Oh, I must be unique person, I should be something special. I should be something great.” Any uniqueness is against God’s laws, it’s malignancy. If such a cell can become malignant, he may start eating up all. What happened to Hitler was nothing but he became malignant. He could not see through how he was destroying others. The thing is, when you have ego, you destroy others, you are not harmed and you cannot see it. The people who have superego or a mana or which we call the possessions of the left side, such people, do not destroy others but they are destroyed themselves. So the ego in front and ego at the back is only felt after realization and can only be corrected after realization. The back ego you might feel as madness, or lunacy, or some sort of a pain in the body, the whole body gets pain, it moves here, it comes here, goes there, is definitely it’s a possession. But the right ego, very people, very few people are aware of it because it doesn’t give trouble to you, it troubles others. Now this is also a curse of, I would say, so-called advancement and development and sophistication, is a curse of that. So, if you go to the right too much, you develop your ego, you go too much to the left, you develop your superego. The best thing is for you to be in dharma, to be in the center, to be moderate; to be moderate with yourself, don’t try to show off. Do not think you have to be unique. You need not, who is bothered about you? It is you who should respect yourself. It’s not the others. If supposing, you have a big car or anything, nobody respects you, on the contrary they must be saying, “This must be a black marketeer who has got a big car.” But ego can develop in a very subtle way when people talk of their comforts. When we talk [of] our comforts, we always say that we must have our comforts, we must be comfortable. This is a very, very subtle way, and a secret way we develop our ego. Bernard Shaw was saying that “After all, what is the difference between me and an ordinary coolie, an ordinary laborer? It’s just the same. Why should I have more comfort and he should have less comfort?” Of course, one can understand also that a man who is doing work as a laborer does not have to use his brain too much so he thinks he can put up with little exertion. While the man who is sitting on the chair is not used to the exertions, or you can say the hard way of life, so he finds it difficult. But it is such a vicious circle that when you do this brain activity you develop your ego, then you want more comfort, and then you want to do more mental activity, then you want more comfort and it’s a very vicious circle. When you try to break through with that, I mean, I must say the Western young people are doing it because they have accepted hippyism. Now hippyism is a reaction of that ego. They say, “No, we live in a very spartan way. We want to have uncomfortable. We must rough it out.” This is a very good idea, but when they are doing it, they have taken to another thing, horrible thing like drugs to go to superego. When you get your realization, you start seeing this ego so clearly - ego, superego both so clearly and you know how to take them out. You know how to balance yourself, how to reduce the pressure of ego or superego and you know how to establish your attention in the limbic area. Now the last of all is the limbic area. I must tell you that this really subtle center is governed by Lord Jesus Christ. Beyond is the limbic area, is the area which is the Kingdom of God within us. Here when you enter, you have no thoughts, you are without thoughts. But still the Kundalini has to pierce, you are to be born again. In the limbic area, all the seven centers are there. I mean, there are so many centers we have got that all the brain cells can be called as centers, but specially these seven centers can be easily located in your limbic area. Now you have seen that when you are realized, even if you put your fingers into your ears, you can hear the minutest of notes and music, because you start hearing through this. Limbic area is a very important thing, but I think the medical science doesn’t know much about it. After realization you know the Sahasrara, what it is, how it works out and how the deity at Sahasrara gives you realization, how it works it out. It’s a important thing that you must get realization before I talk to you about Sahasrar. In all the ancient books, nothing has been written about Sahasrar. Nobody has written anything much about [it], except that it has this color, there are many petals, but not much has been described about Sahasrar because it is left to My lot to explain to you what Sahasrara is. These are all the centers we have tried to cover in a very short time, whatever it is, in a very fast way I should say, but to digest it, you must get the book, we have got “Advent”, and other books, go through it, read it, understand it. It’s a regular knowledge; it’s the absolute knowledge which you should have. Now, tomorrow [hindi] - tomorrow we have a program here, and that’s very important because this I told you what we have got, what are the centers are, how the Kundalini is. Tomorrow we - I will tell you what is to be done after realization. It’s very important, you must all come here and get your realization established, we are going to work more on realization than on all this knowledge. You see, you become all –being all intellectuals, you always want to know the engineering of it. But the engineering is not so important as the happening. You see, I may tell you the whole engineering about electricity and all that, but if there is no light here, it has no meaning. So one has to realize that the engineering is a headache without the light. It’s better to know that you are the Spirit. Tomorrow, for a short time, I’ll tell you what is the Spirit. And then I will tell you what is to be done after Realization. May God bless you all. Thank you for waiting for Me. [Applause. Yogis: “Jai Mataji Nirmala Devi ki! Jai!”] You may help Me more by using your right hand to give yourself a balance, put your left hand towards … [End of audio]

Public Program, New Delhi (India) 9 February 1981. I talked to you about the Void in our body, which is called as Bhavasagara [Hindi], Bhavasagara in our Sahaja Yoga language. Today we have to understand the other chakras, which are above the Bhavasagara. Last time I told you how by following wrong gurus and spoiling your Guru principle you get problems in your stomach. Also your extreme behavior towards religion, your fanaticism, creates problems which may go up to something like cancer. Also, the another extreme behavior of people who become very dry by their over-activity on the right side and have no feelings for the family and neglect the family, have no relationship with their wives of a normal nature, also may develop problems of the stomach. This chakra I didn’t talk to you before, about the speedometer within us, which is the Nabhi. I think I did mention something about it. This is one of the most important chakras within us and I think, before going over to other chakras, I must say that how our spleen gets spoilt and how we get into problems like blood cancer, which is a very common disease today in the West and is also invading our country, with such a speed [Hindi]. This is a - I didn’t talk to you about it but I have talked about this to other people. Now this spleen is the one which creates blood cells for our emergencies. Any emergency comes in, it has to produce new blood cells to fight the emergency or to face the emergency or to solve the problems of the emergency. In the modern times, we have lost the idea of controlling our speed. We talk telescopically, we walk telescopically, we arrive at a point so telescopically that the point is left behind before we arrive. Now this spleen is the one, when you are eating your food, is also producing blood corpuscles to fight or, you can say, to digest the food. At the same time if you are listening to some horrid news and horrible emergencies that suddenly come up, or if you are reading newspapers, or if you are running away to your office, this is a very common thing with government servants that they have no time for their breakfast. They will take one hour in the bathroom and in five minutes, they want to finish their breakfast. All such persons face the problem of getting into some sort of a complication of the spleen because when you eat your food, and suddenly try to run, the poor spleen has to go with a double speed to cope up with your additional activities. It used to be a style in olden days that all the people would sit for food very comfortably and the food was served with great care and everybody was given sufficient time to eat the food. And there would be a lady to fan the gentleman who would keep the pace of the man’s eating process at a proper level, and the food would be eaten with little leisure. But nowadays I find that people have no sense that we are human beings and we are not machines. In Delhi, I feel the schools are really very cruel people. I find even in this winter season the children have to go to school at 6.30 or 6 o’clock in the morning. And somebody must bring some legal procedure against these schools. Is absolutely essential, your children are going to be in great difficulties if you do not pay attention to this fact. To get up early in the morning at that time, then walk in the cold season, take your bath, many people take their bath, also with hot water, and then suddenly go out in that cold, take your breakfast just in a standing manner, in a very rushing manner, the mother is running with a bottle in the hand, and pouring the milk for the child, and the child is somehow or other trying to gulp it down and taking a bread in the hand and rushing about. This is even worse than military, I can tell you. For such small children who are growing, it is essential that they must have their breakfast when they are quite in tune with the atmosphere, not at the early in the morning at 6:30 to get up and rush them with their breakfast is something extremely cruel that we are doing to our children. This will not only spoil their Vishuddhi - according to, I think modern people, Vishuddhi trouble is to be accepted all the time, means all cold, coughs, and all that is a part of life, you can’t complain about it, somehow it has to go hand in hand with you. They do not want to find solutions for that. People might say in olden days, people used to get up at 4 o’clock, all right, they would. But they never used to get out of their houses so fast. And the style of life was very different in those days. People had very good food to eat, they had things full of vitamins, and the pressures on their lives were much -, much less. As it is we have no time to pay any attention to our children. On top of that, the way we hurry them up is so dangerous, that I don’t know, I have never known that children go so early in Delhi, which is so freezingly cold, so early and come back home at about 2:30 in the afternoon. To come back at 2:30 in the afternoon, after eating that hurried meal at home, or whatever you may call a breakfast or whatever you may call it, so called, and then come back at 2:30 and what are they going to eat? There is timing for everything. The food digestion takes about three hours and children feel hungry. As it is there is no food and this is how about five and a half hours, you keep them away in the schools without any food for what? What knowledge are you giving to your children? What is the special knowledge you are giving to your children? What is such a great thing that the world has achieved by having these institutions of education, so called? First of all you are creating children who will be very sick. It is not going to give them longevity. Secondly, the way the people rush about for their work. In the morning time, there is no need to rush about. If you can get up early in the morning, sleep early and get up in the morning, take your time and eat your breakfast properly and go to office, have something in the afternoon, and then in the evening, you’ll be amazed, you will get over fifty percent of your sicknesses. Because at the right time, if you give a proper practice to your stomach, you get your juices oozing out at the right time. You don’t make your stomach crazy by that. But, by this kind of emergency all the time arising, listening to horrible things at the time when you are eating your food or doing something important, your spleen goes crazy. It does not know. It loses its power to produce proper blood cells. It does not know how to produce it, it really becomes crazy and in that craziness, it starts producing blood cells at odd hours, wrong hours, it does not know when to produce, it is always in emergency, it is never stationed in its normal state. At this stage, if there is an attack from your collective subconscious area, about which now doctors are now talking in England, that there is an attack of some proteins unknown to them, they call them as protein 58 and all that, you are very much prone to get blood cancer. Moreover, if your attention is too much on the left or the right to the extreme, you are even more prone. For example, you are a planner, you plan morning till evening, so your attention is more on the future. That means your attention is on the right-hand side. It’s like a cloth you can say, the attention in the stomach, is protruding to the right or to the left. Now, if your attention is too much on the right, means you are planning all the time, as I told you, doctors may not accept it, but is a fact that when you think too much and plan too much, your Nabhi or your Swadishthana Chakra is converting the fat cells for the use of the brain. At that time, if you put more pressure into it, by over-activity of the right-hand side, which is your kriya shakti, it happens that you may enter into it to such an extent that at that time, if you have any such problem, you are easy to get some problem with your liver because it is on the right-hand side; and the poor liver suffers, you get cyrrosis of the liver or just like cancer of the liver. Now, in Sahaja Yoga, what happens really is this, your attention is spread like a cloth, and when the Kundalini rises, She pushes your attention upward and the attention is a sheath around the Kundalini. When She pierces the Brahmarandhra, then your attention starts oozing out into the Supreme or what we call the Super Consciousness, which is here spread, into the sukshma, into the subtle consciousness. Your whole attention is pulled up there and that is how you cure your blood cancer, your liver cancer, and all the cancer that is connected with this kind of attention. Not only cancer but many other diseases, like kidney trouble, liver trouble and all other - we can say diabetes, intestinal troubles, and even you might get relief to your diaphragm, sometimes which is very much in tension with people who are agitated all the time. Those people who think they are important, I think are really not aware of what importance they have to themselves. We must understand our own esteem, and we must know that we are human beings, and that we are very important to God if not to anybody else. As human beings, we have to also realize that we have come on this earth from amoeba stage to this stage, and God has worked so hard for us that we have no business to go on slashing ourselves into absolutely ridiculous sick people who are no good for God and no good for anyone whatsoever. Now, this attention is, how it is diverted from this to that, can be seen that when people are very much right-handed or ego-oriented, as we call it, they try to take their attention away from their ego. Actually those people who are very ego-oriented always take to some kind of intoxication because they just can’t sleep in the night. Their attention so much is in the future that they cannot sleep. By sleep, they might go into the left side. So they have to drink a lot. They will have more alcohols than normal people do. They’ll have drugs or they’ll have some sort of a thing, ultimately they have to take sleeping pills, without sleeping pills they cannot sleep. The reason is, the attention in the man is so disturbed, and he does not know how to give it a proper chance to lead a normal existence that this attention is always thinking, thinking, thinking like mad and he does not know how to stop that thinking. In Sahaja Yoga, it happens automatically because your attention goes beyond thinking. You develop your thoughtless awareness without any difficulties, but you do not establish it. You have to establish your thoughtless awareness and for that, you have to work it out. And that working out takes little time. If people can really work it out properly, they can never get into these troubles. On the contrary, even if they may not be doctors, or may not be physicians, they may be able to cure other people who have this problem. But in Sahaja Yoga, you must know that it’s a new knowledge for you. It was a secret knowledge before this, very much a secret. Of course, I must say Kabirdas and Guru Nanak and Adi Shankaracharya and all these people talked of Kundalini. Gyaneshwara talked of Kundalini and he said that this is this and this is that. But they did not give a full detailed idea about Sahaj Yog because it was useless to tell them all about it when they were not realized. But they did inform because they knew that this time was going to come when they will be told about it and if they had not said about this, they would have come up and said that, “From where are you getting word Kundalini? It is not written anywhere.” Because as I told yesterday in My lecture that people have more faith in My photograph that than in Myself. Human beings are so funny that they believe into something that is printed than what is said. Just now, I’m saying something to you. I’m standing before you. But when I’m in the present, you do not want to accept Me. But if I have said something, and is printed, you’ll say, “Yes.” I’ve seen also people who have My tapes, they believe into My tapes than into My speeches when I’m speaking to them. It’s most surprising how a human mind rushes off to the past or to the future. This is a human nature which is always going out, and it is the attention which is going out because of a particular problem within human beings. Now that problem I just cannot discuss because I need little drawings for that which we don’t have. But I have got in some of My speeches I’ve explained, why the attention of man goes out - because of his prismatic nature of his brain. But that prismatic nature and the, I should say, the dual density of his brain creates a problem, by which the attention of man goes out. Now the attention [of] the man has to be sucked in. If I tell you, you pay attention to Me, you can. If I tell these children, “Pay attention to Me”, they may for a while, but again they’ll start playing. So, if I tell them that “pay attention to Me”, they will see Me and they’ll start paying attention to Me. But if I say, “Pay attention to yourself”, you cannot pay. You may say that, “All right, we are praying inside, we are doing antar yoga, this that” - is all a myth, it’s not there. When the attention is inside, you are in the present, you don’t think, you are in the present. When the attention is outside, then either you are on the left side or the right side, by which you are paying attention to your past or to the future. All your thoughts are coming from the past and from the future. At this present moment, there is no thought. But this, to stop this, is very difficult. To say now, you cannot do that. There’s a space in between, which is called Vilamba, which is achieved through Kundalini awakening, it passes through the left and right side of ego and superego, and in the center you achieve your thoughtless awareness. Now, this process of Kundalini rising upward can be hampered at a [level] - another chakra which is at the heart level, in the center in the spinal cord. It is expressed outside in the sternum and we can say that till the boy or the girl is about twelve years of age, from the sternum the anti-bodies are created, they go in the whole body and spread there and fight the diseases. Now, these anti-bodies, in Sahaja Yoga language, are the armies of the Jagadamba, of Durga, of the Mother of this world. She resides in this center according to Sahaja Yoga language. But it may be that people will not believe into it, “How can that be that Durga resides there?” Somebody told Me it’s not written in the book. I said, “Thank God, it is not written.” Otherwise you would have never understood it and you would have a mess of everything, as you have done it of whatever was written has been made into a rigmarole. So now, this Goddess is in this center. When this center is out of gear, first of all your anti-bodies are reduced. There are so many medicines which reduce your anti-bodies. But people take it because it gives them a little relief for the time being. But they become then prone to other diseases because if the anti-bodies are reduced, then you cannot find [may Shri Mataji mean “fight”?] the other, other diseases and the strength is reduced. Now, in all our medicines, we forget that we are a complete being, we are not just a physical being, but emotional being, and also a mental being, and above all, a spiritual being. Now when we forget this, we are only worried about the physical side of it. And when our physical side is in trouble, we want to do everything under the sun; but we do not know by doing that we are spoiling our emotional side. By spoiling our emotional side, it can be very dangerous, that medicines, which reduce the anti-bodies in the body, can lead you to madness, ultimately. First they give you giddiness, must you sleep a lot, and after that too much sleeping, too much of these medicines, can cause madness. Because you are thrown into the left side and you can be attacked and you can become a mad person. So these medicines are so dangerous that people without understanding the complete nature of man just try to treat part of it. In Sahaja Yoga we, as he said, I do not take any medicines, My …. as Kabira has said, “I do not take any medicines, for me Parabrahma is the one who is my Vaidya, He treats me”. And is a fact, now the time has come to prove what Kabira has said, what Nanaka has said, what Adi Shankaracharya has said, what Christ has said. There is no need to take medicine to cure this centre. We spoil this centre by other means also. For example, if you… there can be very simple reasons for spoiling it. You take your bath with hot water. Normally to take a hot bath - a hot bath is all right, but that should be done in the night when you don’t go out at all. Then you sleep off, you are in the room and there cannot be a problem. But I’ve seen in England most of the Indians who come and see Me have got trouble with their lungs. They have a problem with their lungs and sometimes they get lung cancer very easily. And what I found out that they take a very hot bath like English people. Actually English people take seldom their baths. So [She laughs, general laughter] and it is very common to see in English homes sixty bedrooms with a bath, you see. Because they don’t require it much. But even if they have to take, they take it in the night. [Laughter] They don’t take it early in the morning like Indians do. You see, you have to live in England the way English are - and not that, you cannot live like that, is a bit too much [laughter] - but still you can sometimes understand that if you have to take the bath early in the morning, and then go to office, you are definite to catch this centre or a centre next to that which is called as right heart in our Sahaja Yoga language. Now this center heart is caught, or the right heart is caught, because you suddenly expose yourself to cold weather. In the same way in Delhi you may catch it, that you just have your hot bath and get out into the cold. Now best thing is that you take your hot bath always, and then allow the water to be mixed with cold water, make the tap run and then you take your bath, end up with cool water. You’ll be amazed you will never catch cold. Is a very simple thing to do. Once you practice this, you will never catch cold. I have seen people living very near Himalayas where it’s absolutely very, very cold twelve months. They always take their baths early in the morning sitting outside with cold water. They never take bath with hot water. They never have hot water to take their bath. And I’ve not seen any person suffering from this cold in the hills. They keep very good health as far as the cold is concerned despite the fact it is very cold. It’s a matter of little habit, if the sahaj yogis who are realized souls, if they practice this, I tell you all your Vishuddhis which are so horribly caught up will be all right and I will have less trouble [laughter, She laughs]. Because today I was clearing everybody’s Vishuddhi there. Now this right-side heart is caught up, is most surprising that it is caught up, because it is the, it is bestowed upon by the deity of Shri Rama. Shri Rama is the Father deity. He is the Father, he is the Father king and he is the Father of this world, is the Father head. Supposing you are a bad father, you will catch this. Ultimately, with this center you always get asthma, always. All asthma patients who have come to Me have been cured - so far. I have cured most of the ailments of right heart. There is another cause of this is, supposing somebody’s father is dead in early years, very early years when the child was not yet properly settled down, or he died at a time with an accident or may be with a worry about the child. Then he haunts the child. This is true. At that time, if you just tell your father that “I’m all right, don’t worry, you take your birth, I’ll be all right”, you’ll be amazed, this asthma can go. There was a governor of Kashmir, who was a very, very respectable man and we had gone to him as state guests. One morning he came walking barefeet in Kashmir to our guesthouse, I was amazed why he was walking down. So went down to see him. He said, “Today I’ve come to see You as a Mother and not as Mrs. Shrivastava. And I have come to ask You for one boon that I’ve had this asthma for twenty-five years and can You cure me?”. And it was cured in five minutes flat. It’s that simple. If you take the name of Shri Rama, if Nanaka says is all right or if Kabira does is all right, but if you unauthorized way if you go on pestering Shri Ram for everything, then also this chakra can be caught. Those people who believe in Hanumana, also if they go on too much with it, it can be caught. Hanumana is the deity for your air, for your breathing, and when you try to suffocate Hanumana within you, you get the trouble of His disappearing from that center, or you can say He sleeps and you get these two troubles of - one is asthma and also sometimes you might get choking. Suddenly, people, some people when they are talking, suddenly they choke up. Now this, this is very easy to cure, very, very easy to cure asthma can be cured very easily. But the center heart when it is in problem it can be with anything. We have here a patient who was doing this Santoshi Mata’s vrat and she got this trouble. Now Santoshi Mata, there’s nothing like that. It’s absurd! Any Santoshi Mata is created by some cinema fellow and all the women are doing this and they are fasting on Friday. If you fast on Friday in the name of the Goddess, you can fast if you want to, but not in the name of Goddess - you are definite to catch this thing because that is the day when She was born. Friday is the day as regarded as the day of the Goddess. And that day one has to celebrate it instead of fasting. Apart from that, when you start taking Her name morning till evening every time, She gets fed up of you and She disappears from there. She just doesn’t like you and you might develop a big problem. She is the One who gives you sense of security. She is the One She gives you sense of security. When your sense of security is disturbed, then you get the catch on this one. For example, the women who suffer from, say, breast cancer are only doing so because of this, because She is the Great Mother and as a mother, you suffer. Supposing a husband is a bad man and a flirt, and the woman thinks he is not all right. It is important for man to console his wife and see that she has complete faith in her security. But specially in India we try to make our women extremely insecure by the way we talk to them, the way we treat them. I mean, we are extremely cruel people as far as our wives are concerned. Because I have seen people here, we have such a big dowry system and all sorts of systems in all our horrible customs and castes. If a daughter is there, then there’s all weakness for her, but the wife is also a daughter of somebody else, nobody thinks. They will say if the wife asks for anything, “Go and ask your father. Why didn’t he give it in the marriage?” There is no fondness for the wife. There’s no understanding that she is the one who is to be loved. She is to be given all the security. And we put all kinds of insecurities into her, we shout at her, some… so many people also beat their wives. In England, invariably men beat their wives, surprisingly supposed to be very educated, sophisticated people. The more sophisticated they are, the worse they are. Not only they beat their wives, but they kill their children. Every week two children are killed in England. And we are going the same way. I tell you I had never known people who used to beat their wives when I was a child or when I was grown up. I have seen My father that he always respected My mother very much. But nowadays I find that husbands have no respect for the wife at all. They think they are very great people even if they are clerks or anything they think the wife is a peon. If the husband is a peon he thinks the wife is a jamadar [laughter]. If he is the jamadar I don’t know what he must be thinking his wife to be. And this kind of mythical complexes that human beings have developed, women develop this kind of a trouble, specially when men are flirts. You see, when men start looking out for other women it upsets women; it upsets their sense of security. She is the mother of your children. She feels that any day she is challenged and any days she’ll be insulted, she is a mother and as your children’s mother, she must be respected. If she is not respected, she is absolutely prone to this kind of a sense of insecurity in which she might develop this breast cancer. And this breast cancer is a very serious disease, as you know. We have cured many people from breast cancer. Many people have been cured of breast cancer and the relationship between husband and wife has improved after that. But while she gets breast cancer, then you should see the husband. He gets absolutely upset, he does not know what to do because Indian husbands do not know how to cook even, they do not know even how to buy a vegetable, they don’t know what are different dhals are. They don’t know any work whatsoever in the house. They are not like English husbands or any Western husbands, and some of the Western people told me that Indian men are cowards. They cannot take a divorce because they don’t know how to cook [laughter]. So, this is the condition of our Indian men, they are entirely dependant on their wives for everything, still they try to dominate their women so much; and I’m speaking in English, I’m sorry I have to say this but it is the case. And when, you see, the women, when they find men behaving like this, they become tigresses. Some of them become such horrible tigresses that they can ruin not only the family but families after families and nations after nations. You are creating a woman who is challenging you and then once she starts challenging - and the result of that I have seen that in England or in any other such country, France, Germany, Germany specially. In Germany women are hitlerish, absolutely hitlerish, men shake before them [laughter]. Absolutely, they are just like ghatis, you see, in the hamals, working in the house. The woman stands with her both hand on her hips and she says, “You haven’t cleaned this. You haven’t done this, what have you been doing? This is not clean.” They have to clean all the utensils in the house, everything, they have to keep the kitchen absolutely sparklingly clean, otherwise the men would be scolded on, “You don’t know how to keep it clean? Better go and learn from your neighbor.” And poor neighbors consult each other and do their homework [laughter]. Moreover the laws are such, they have passed such laws that when the wife divorces a husband, she gets half of the property, half of the income of the husband, as long as she does not marry. For example, a man is living in a huge big place. Suddenly his wife decides to divorce - decides, there’s no reason needed for that. If she decides to divorce, then they get a divorce, and the house is to be sold, and the money is to be given half, half. [Laughter] Then if such a wife marries twice or thrice, she is a rich lady while this man is a pauper [laughter]. This is a very common sight. I have seen this very common in America specially, that she says that he was my husband, he looks like a chauffeur, and this lady is going in such big Cadillacs and all that, with a [laughter] - I wouldn’t say cigarette, it’s more than that [laughter] - and with a stick in the hand, you see, very smart. And while the husband is all tattered and torn, and working as a chauffeur somewhere. So, that another extreme is also horrid. A woman is not to be like that, she has to be a decent gracious personality and she is not to take up this challenge, it’s not wise to take these challenges from men. At least, Indian women know that, most of them know, I hope so, they will keep it up. But the men must understand now that they have to respect women. If they do not respect their women, then the daughters that they have, will be coming out like that and they’ll show such results that you’ll be shocked. One day they may even slap their father on the face. It is quite possible, all such things can happen in this country also. So one has to be careful. Now I’ve said it because these two centers are very important, Shri Rama, who is the deity of Maryadas, of boundaries, how a human being must live. All His life, He never showed any special interest in giving realization to people. But - of course, He destroyed Ravana and He destroyed many rakshasas. But main message of His life is a life of a dedicated husband, who loved His wife very much and a man who sacrificed His beloved for the sake of His being a good king. But just the other way round you find, in this country where we think love is great - here, I’ve known of many Ministers whose wives rule the family. Take, sacrifice is not there, on the contrary, the wives are so important that they can make the husbands just sit in the corner and nobody says anything about it. But I have also known even worse cases where the whole country is sold in the name of their children. It is such a serious thing. We do not understand that these children are not something that are going to carry your name, but what is going to carry your name is your own worth, is your own style, is in your own character, and your own leadership. Nobody is going to be bothered who is the one who is your son or who is your daughter or who is who. So those people who try such things, to think that their children and their children or - children are so important, then they should realize that it was Shri Rama who sacrificed His beloved, when She was pregnant and He led a life of an ascetic remembering His wife. This sacrifice was too much for Shri Ram because He really loved Her, really, could not exist without Her, it was too much. And then at a time when it comes to, Sita also left Him. And She left Him in Her own grace and in Her own grandeur. She didn’t allow Him to touch His body and She just disappeared, like a woman has to do. While in the modern times, it is not so. If the husband has harmed you, then the women will go to the courts, she’ll put him in the jail and she will see that he is punished nicely. Why? Because he was busy with other women. Now, what I’m saying, if you think that you love your husband and that’s why you are angry that he should have nothing to do with other women, why should you put him in the jail? Why should you trouble him and torture him? So we have to realize that husband and wife relationship is extremely important for sahaja yogis. You are the complements of each other. If the relationship is not all right, Sahaja Yoga does not work out. It is not that a woman becomes so dominant, but it is the complement, the love between the two, the beauty of love, and the understanding. You need not even smile at your husband, you need not even, when he is going - you see, in England I have seen or anywhere else I have seen, people will be all the time kissing each other and doing all kinds of gestures to show that they love. And if you ask them, “Where are you going?” - Even on an escalator you’ll find them like that. And if you ask them where are they going they will say that, “Just now we are going for a divorce case.” [Laughter] The show is not needed, but from the heart, you must feel that oneness with your husband and that love for him and the husband must feel that love; and it’s the only relationship, it’s the only, believe Me, which is the most beautiful. The relationship with your children, you will understand when they will earn, with your daughter she will understand when they are married. With your parents also, when they are grown up, you are grown up you have your wife, you’ll find there will be a – you’ll find their conceit coming up. But the relationship with your wife is the most private and the most treasured relationship and that’s why people have sung so many poems about it and so many things. In Indian language, the - we have a certain law about even writing. Whatever is not hitakari is not accepted because it is called as Sahitya. Sahitya means Saha Hita, the one which gives you Hita to your Atma is the only Sahitya. The literature is Sahitya, whichever is not is not literature, is trash. And in Sanskrit language Shringara which is not with your wife, is not a Shringar, is ashleela. It has to be with your wife or to whom you are engaged to. And it is such a pure thing, is such a pure thing. And if people can understand how to enjoy that purity, they will become themselves pure and they will have the best essence of it. You see, when it comes to buying something, we want pure silk, we want pure diamond, we want pure gold. But when it comes to our love, we want to have all kinds of mixed-up impurities, perversions. And then we say, “Oh, I got tired. I cannot enjoy”. Because it’s not pure! The purity of that relationship must be enjoyed. In Sahaja Yoga we don’t believe in sannyasa, as I told you and there should be no sannyasa now, because there are many great souls who want to be born on this earth and we have to make arrangements for them. We have to have people who are happily married, who respect each other, love each other, so that the great saints can be born here. In this relation, I would say a very interesting talk that I had with a BBC fellow who came to interview Me. And he was, as usual, they are very sarcastic and they think they are very smart. They did not know they were meeting a smarter person [laughter]. First he said to Me that, “How is it You are here and doing so much for us, but why don’t You go and help Indians who are so poor?” I said, “I’m sorry Sir, I’m in England and I’m on your soil, I shouldn’t say this, it’s not gracious for Me to say, but you have asked such a question, I must answer it. With full apologies, I must say: who is responsible for the poverty of India?” [Laughter] And he kept quiet. Then he came out with second question, you see, very smart fellow. He said that “But, what do You think of the population problem of India? We are so much worried about it. Why don’t You look after the population problem of Your India?” “Of course I’m in England, I would have never been there, I’m only there because My husband is there.” But I said, “Really, I’m sorry that this is in India, but what to do? There’s no solution for it.” He said, “Are we also responsible for that?” I said, “I’m sorry to say, very much so.” [Laughter] He said, “How are we responsible for your population problem?” I said, “The trouble is, you see, the people who are taking birth have to decide, who will take birth in this England? [Laughter and applause] There two children every week are killed by the parents for nothing at all, where the children are legal, everything - who, which foolish man will take birth here [laughter] except for people who are of a very high grade - spirituality, you don’t bother about these things [She laughs]; or only the rakshasas who will come and hit their parents and that’s what they are doing today. They are treating you well, the way you are parents, and you don’t know what to do with them”. And this is what it is I have to tell you that unless and until we really respect our wives and give them proper attention and proper help, the discipline of this country is not going to improve. It is she who disciplines the children, is important to give her a complete sense of security. And the conceit of man has to go away, that he thinks he’s very important, he’s not. It is both, if they are together, then the whole unit is important, you can’t live with one eye, you have to have both the eyes. If one eye thinks he is more important, that means one eye should disappear to see what happens without [laughter]. After these, we come to another center, which is extremely important in Sahaja Yoga called as Vishuddhi chakra, which is placed behind this part. Now it is not an exact position in every human being. It’s little lower, higher, so one should not say that this is at this point. Because we have to understand, this I’m talking about the living process. You can put dead things at the exact position, at the exact date. But can you say that the tree will grow in this form, can you say before the tree is grown? It will take its own form. Can you say the roots will grow like that? Can you say so many, exactly so many flowers will be there? Or exactly so many flowers will become fruits? You cannot say. Can you say at this time, at this hour, at this moment, the flower is going to become the fruit? So, in the same way, you cannot say exactly about Sahaja Yoga that where is this particular center is placed. Is above that. You have to feel it, the vibrations, and you can make it out that in some person it’s slightly higher, in some person it is lower. But why it is so important is this center is that this denotes our real evolution into a human being. When the man raised his head up like that, this center developed into us by which we developed this ego and superego within us. How this has happened is another big lecture [She laughs] for which I would request you to read something on “Advent” or something like that where it is little bit explained, how the awareness of man when he raised his head like this that his ego started developing, and when he raised it like that it started dominating its superego or its mana. This development within human beings is so important because at this time, here, resides Shri Krishna. Shri Krishna is sampurna. It’s called as sixteen-petalled, sampurna, complete incarnation. And sixteen petals are expressed as sixteen sub-plexuses in cervical plexus. The cervical plexus looks after the gross side of the face and the nose and the eyes and the ears and the throat. And - but the subtler side of this center is very important, which is the left side, is the sub-conscious side. And in the left side is the person who feels very guilty or a person who has not proper understanding of pure relationships of other women or other men. Such a person develops this, in his left side. Now one may say that what’s wrong in all these perverted relationships with others, and what goes wrong with us. You see, in the West specially, people believe that you can have any kind of relationship with anyone, no age, nothing, and they quite boast of it. I mean, it’s such a funny thing sometimes, when I first went there, I had no idea that they were that extent they were mad. Because the first thing, in those days, when I reached there was, the first thing on the page was love letter by an eighty-year-old lady to an eighteen-year-old boy [laughter]. And it was written, every his love letter was there. And this love letter became such a headache to Me, I could not understand how could these people think of such horrible things and write such letters and publish them in the papers. And this kind of madness, if you have, if you do not have the sense of purity about the relationship with others, you develop this left Vishuddhi. With the left Vishuddhi, you develop lots of problems. With your tobacco and smoking also you develop sometimes left Vishuddhi and also right Vishuddhi. When left Vishuddhi is developed too much, then you will find a man when he speaks, he stammers, his face is always going into contortions, his body is doing like this, noses, you will find all the Americans do like that. Like this they will be moving [laughter], there will be nervousness on the face and they would not be normal people. The thing is their left Vishuddhi is in a problem. As we say the pishani, this forehead is absolutely wrinkled up and they have big, big furrows at a very young age. Because I was amazed that some woman who was only thirty years of age, half of My age, had such furrows and I thought she was an old lady, I was very respectful to her, I got up, gave her My seat and all that and I was standing up. [Laughter] And after some time, she said, “Thank You very much, very kind of You” and all that and she asked Me - somehow I asked her, “What are you doing?” She said, “I’m still studying, doing PhD.” I said ,”What? [Laughter] Still studying? What’s your age?” She said, “Thirty.” I said, “Really? Will you please get up? I have to sit down.” [Laughter and applause, She laughs] I mean, there the criteria of health is to be just like mosquitoes, you see, the trouble is they have to be like mosquitoes. And as it is, they must remain very thin just like as we call in Hindi, haddimarka. And on top of that they wear high heels, you see, and walk just like, what you call, like spiders [laughter] you see, from here to there, and you don’t know where they’ll put their foot onto you [laughter]. And that is regarded as a beauty there. And so surprising that at a very young age they start looking so very old that this mistake can be done by many of us. Moreover, the another problem comes of left Vishuddhi, when people do not have proper sense of womanhood and manhood. Is very common in England and other countries, Western countries, like America is much worse, you cannot make out a man from a woman. You see, the women dress up just like horses, they walk like horses [laughter], I mean, the whole thing is so funny that, you see, this is big problem for us how to address! And sometimes it happens like this, that in a meeting, I forget all the time that this is a man, I always go on saying “She.” Then he: “He”. Then they say, “No, this is a man.” I remember then this is a man, it’s such a problem! One day, we were going by car, My husband and Myself we asked ourselves, “Do you think the person who is going in the other car is a man or a woman?” I said, “Now”… Then our car went ahead, still we looked back, he said, “I can’t say.” I said, “I can’t say.” [She laughs] So, I asked our driver, who is an Englishman, he looked back he said, “Madam, we are sorry, I’m also sorry, I’m a foreigner, I don’t know.” [Laughter] So this kind of perverted attitude, to behave like this - you see, you are a man, behave like a man, if you are a woman, behave like a woman. If you start behaving like a man, or a woman behaving like a man and a man behaving like a woman, you see, you must understand your muscles are made the way you are. For example, a man can do lot of work which women cannot do. There is no need to be like Russian women who are doing the, what you call, road-rollers, they are driving or whatever it is. You see, they say that Russian women can do this, but I tell you Russians, I do not want to say much, but only thing I know that when they shake hands, you know all your hand goes out. [Laughter, She laughs] Fall out [unclear]. That’s all I know, I know from the shake hands, you see, we have sometimes to shake hands with many people. I mean, Australians also are quite capable [laughter]. When Australians shake your hands, you can be sure that, at least, if not much, but at least some ounces are lost. [Laughter] Now, this is the thing is that men have to be men and women have to be women. When the women become very arrogant and become very aggressive, then men also to overpower them become even more, and a sort of a competition starts, and then they become, first become like donkeys, then become like horses, then they will become like mares, then become like lions, then tigers and you get lost among them, you don’t know what’s the matter. You see any film, anything you find nothing but fighting going on between husband and wife, as if they are married just to fight, they had no place to fight, so they are married. All the time this kind of a struggle, and this kind of a competition that goes about, gives you a very bad Vishuddhi. And that if men are smoking, “What’s wrong if we smoke?” “What’s wrong?” This is a very common thing. And now, another madness is the liberation of women has started. God knows what is going to happen to these women, what sort of left Vishuddhi they’ll be having. They’ll be having a head just like this, they might have a cancer in this part, maybe, and they might have a trouble because they are doing something so unnatural, which is not suitable to them. Is possible also in our Indian life, we can get cancer of our left Vishuddhi. How do you get cancer of the left Vishuddhi in Indian life is by taking the mantras, by taking the name of God for hours together. For example, if you start singing the song is all right. But if you go on saying Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, morning till evening, you might develop a cancer. I had a patient who came to see Me who had a cancer of the left side. I asked him, “What do you do? How did you get this?”. He told me that he is working for a firm, which supplies people to chant God’s name. I said, “What?” He said, “Yes, there is a firm which has people trained how to chant God’s name and they are supplied to all the Marwadis. Whenever they have a program, they put up these people there who go on chanting these names for hours together.” [Hindi] They go on chanting this name all the time and this chanting has created a problem for that man, because he had a job just “Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram”, I don’t know, whatever it is, and they sit down there and they go on chanting these, the money is paid for them. And also, you see, in this country we have all funny types of institutions. It’s nice to laugh at the Western people, but if we see ourselves, you’ll be amazed that we have people here in this country who go for crying also. If somebody’s dead and there are few people to cry, they have people on hire, to cry [laughter]. And they cry so loudly, I mean, they have given a special - I did not know but then we had a friend who was our neighbour and he said the best crying people are in this particular agency [laughter]. And if you call them, they’ll be very good. Then also we have people who are all the time shouting slogans, you see, this country is known for slogans, you won’t find better sloganish people than Indians are. And the slogans they have is such a, such a business, they make business out of, that’s typically Indian is to make business out of everything. So the slogan now, all right, “We’ll supply slogan people. You want these slogans, all right, we’ll give you.” Now in Delhi, perhaps, you do not know, I know this because I was with Lal Bahadur Shastri, with My husband and [She laughs] I’ve seen this, that one day people came to shout for something with the slogans, you see, near his place there was a roundabout, and where people came and started shouting slogans. And when they started shouting slogans, they were supposed to represent a particular party. And they had other banners in their hands, they had other caps and they were shouting something else, while they were supposed to represent something. So, people asked them, “Are you shouting for them? We have paid you for this [laughter, She laughs], why are you shouting for our opposite party?”. So they said that, “No, no, we were - must be a mistake, you see, they just informed us this, and we have sets of caps and sets of slogans and sets of banners. So, they gave us this, we came here, what to do now? Whatever they have given us, you go and change it and we’ll start shouting for another one.” [Laughter] So all this kind of shouting, too much talking or keeping quiet unnecessarily - that is very common in India to talk. We talk a bit too much and when we talk too much also we can catch on the right Vishuddhi very badly. While in England they won’t talk much, they just don’t talk, you see, they just stare at you with your eyes, you see [laughter], and you can be quite frightened the way they look at you. They don’t believe in talking much, but they believe in drinking much more [laughter]. And I have seen that the people do not realize what a strain it is for your throat to talk. Actually I’ve seen it Myself, I have to talk such a lot every day, I mean if there is one center which really gives Me trouble is My throat, because I have to speak, unless and until I speak, people are not very happy. For example, today was one day, I never wanted to speak, you know what’s the matter with Me that I’m so full of vibrations I didn’t want to speak. But without speech, Indians won’t be happy, I thought, “I’d better speak.” And same with the other people. They would love to hear Me talk, talk, talk. And when we do that, we catch on our Vishuddhi, we have problems on our Vishuddhi and it’s rather difficult, difficult to cure a throat where this strain is there of talking. All our leaders have to do the same and we have so many leaders that I think we can patent some sort of a medicine for their over–talking [laughter]. Now, after that we have a very, very important center here, of which you all know, is Agnya Chakra. And this center is very important because this center is placed between the pituitary and the pineal body, is a very subtle center. And this center controls both your ego and superego, so that it controls your thought. A person whose this center is out of gear, loses power over his thoughts. A person who is possessed, will be all the time talking, he cannot stop. I have seen in Paris, when you get into a bus, you see, some old people will come up and they’ll be talking all the time, they are all the time talking. I asked, “What are they talking?” So My disciple told Me there, Marie, she said: “Mother, they are talking about the last war.” I said, “What?”. “Yes”. And I said: ”People don’t say anything?” At least in Indian buses I have not seen, every bus stop there are three or four people coming and talking loudly and they are regarded as mad people, they get down, again they start talking. This kind of a disease can come in a person who is hit by a possession on the right or on the left hand side, but is more with the Agnya. If you are hit at the back, it’s a possession from outside, but if you are hit in the front, it is a possession from inside, is auto-hypnosis. For a man who is egoistical, you might get a very bad Agnya here. And such a bad Agnya, just like a balloon it grows, and you feel you should be away from that person as soon as possible. There are people who develop their ego with all kinds of misidentifications. For example, if somebody gets a promotion, or if he gets little more money than others, or has a little better life than the others, he develops this special type of a ego. Ego-oriented people are normally grow taller and superego people become dwarfs. But ego-oriented people also have a special type of a nose, you see, very straight nose if they are born with the ego. Now for such people it is important to see their ego and watch it and laugh at it, make a fun out of it and then only they can get rid of it. After realization, ego starts troubling you, you can feel the pain of ego here. Then you come to Me, “Mother, I’m catching on my right Agnya. Please take it away, please take it away.” Ego is more a cultural problem also. In a culture where it is competition and is very struggling, and all the suggestions come to you that you have to stand first, you have to be a unique personality, you start developing your ego, because your action line moves very fast; by that, by that Kriya Shakti, you create ego within you. People pamper you, that by this your ego will be all right, but you do not know, they say, “Oh you’ll look very nice.” It’s pampering. It’s the pampering of your ego from your childhood, the whole society works it out, by which you think, “Oh, I must be unique person, I should be something special. I should be something great.” Any uniqueness is against God’s laws, it’s malignancy. If such a cell can become malignant, he may start eating up all. What happened to Hitler was nothing but he became malignant. He could not see through how he was destroying others. The thing is, when you have ego, you destroy others, you are not harmed and you cannot see it. The people who have superego or a mana or which we call the possessions of the left side, such people, do not destroy others but they are destroyed themselves. So the ego in front and ego at the back is only felt after realization and can only be corrected after realization. The back ego you might feel as madness, or lunacy, or some sort of a pain in the body, the whole body gets pain, it moves here, it comes here, goes there, is definitely it’s a possession. But the right ego, very people, very few people are aware of it because it doesn’t give trouble to you, it troubles others. Now this is also a curse of, I would say, so-called advancement and development and sophistication, is a curse of that. So, if you go to the right too much, you develop your ego, you go too much to the left, you develop your superego. The best thing is for you to be in dharma, to be in the center, to be moderate; to be moderate with yourself, don’t try to show off. Do not think you have to be unique. You need not, who is bothered about you? It is you who should respect yourself. It’s not the others. If supposing, you have a big car or anything, nobody respects you, on the contrary they must be saying, “This must be a black marketeer who has got a big car.” But ego can develop in a very subtle way when people talk of their comforts. When we talk [of] our comforts, we always say that we must have our comforts, we must be comfortable. This is a very, very subtle way, and a secret way we develop our ego. Bernard Shaw was saying that “After all, what is the difference between me and an ordinary coolie, an ordinary laborer? It’s just the same. Why should I have more comfort and he should have less comfort?” Of course, one can understand also that a man who is doing work as a laborer does not have to use his brain too much so he thinks he can put up with little exertion. While the man who is sitting on the chair is not used to the exertions, or you can say the hard way of life, so he finds it difficult. But it is such a vicious circle that when you do this brain activity you develop your ego, then you want more comfort, and then you want to do more mental activity, then you want more comfort and it’s a very vicious circle. When you try to break through with that, I mean, I must say the Western young people are doing it because they have accepted hippyism. Now hippyism is a reaction of that ego. They say, “No, we live in a very spartan way. We want to have uncomfortable. We must rough it out.” This is a very good idea, but when they are doing it, they have taken to another thing, horrible thing like drugs to go to superego. When you get your realization, you start seeing this ego so clearly - ego, superego both so clearly and you know how to take them out. You know how to balance yourself, how to reduce the pressure of ego or superego and you know how to establish your attention in the limbic area. Now the last of all is the limbic area. I must tell you that this really subtle center is governed by Lord Jesus Christ. Beyond is the limbic area, is the area which is the Kingdom of God within us. Here when you enter, you have no thoughts, you are without thoughts. But still the Kundalini has to pierce, you are to be born again. In the limbic area, all the seven centers are there. I mean, there are so many centers we have got that all the brain cells can be called as centers, but specially these seven centers can be easily located in your limbic area. Now you have seen that when you are realized, even if you put your fingers into your ears, you can hear the minutest of notes and music, because you start hearing through this. Limbic area is a very important thing, but I think the medical science doesn’t know much about it. After realization you know the Sahasrara, what it is, how it works out and how the deity at Sahasrara gives you realization, how it works it out. It’s a important thing that you must get realization before I talk to you about Sahasrar. In all the ancient books, nothing has been written about Sahasrar. Nobody has written anything much about [it], except that it has this color, there are many petals, but not much has been described about Sahasrar because it is left to My lot to explain to you what Sahasrara is. These are all the centers we have tried to cover in a very short time, whatever it is, in a very fast way I should say, but to digest it, you must get the book, we have got “Advent”, and other books, go through it, read it, understand it. It’s a regular knowledge; it’s the absolute knowledge which you should have. Now, tomorrow [hindi] - tomorrow we have a program here, and that’s very important because this I told you what we have got, what are the centers are, how the Kundalini is. Tomorrow we - I will tell you what is to be done after realization. It’s very important, you must all come here and get your realization established, we are going to work more on realization than on all this knowledge. You see, you become all –being all intellectuals, you always want to know the engineering of it. But the engineering is not so important as the happening. You see, I may tell you the whole engineering about electricity and all that, but if there is no light here, it has no meaning. So one has to realize that the engineering is a headache without the light. It’s better to know that you are the Spirit. Tomorrow, for a short time, I’ll tell you what is the Spirit. And then I will tell you what is to be done after Realization. May God bless you all. Thank you for waiting for Me. [Applause. Yogis: “Jai Mataji Nirmala Devi ki! Jai!”] You may help Me more by using your right hand to give yourself a balance, put your left hand towards … [End of audio]

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Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Talk about Tattva (Principle) Delhi University 15th February, 1981 Delhi Yesterday, I told you that today I will tell you about the tattva (principle). If we look at a tree and if we see the growth in the tree, then we realize that there is some or the other power flowing inside it, due to which the tree is growing and will attain its full growth. It has this power within, otherwise this growth cannot take place. But from where does the tree get this power? What is the meaning of it's tattva? Whatever is visible outside, like the tree is visible, like it's fruits, flowers, leaves are all visible. This is not a tattva. It's not based on any tattva. There is something more subtle than this. We are not able to see that subtle. If it was in a shape, it would have been visible. But it's in a formless state, meaning that the water flowing inside it, although it bears the power, it alone is not it's tattva. Water is carrying that power but if water is everything, then why doesn't a tree grow, if water is put on a stone? Then in tattva one must know that everything has its own tattva. Water has its own tattva. Trees have their own tattva and stones also have their own tattva. Similarly, human beings have also got their own tattva, based on it's capabilities, he is moving, growing, by which he achieves his targets. These tattvas cannot be the same. As I have told you, if a plant is growing due to the water principle (tattva) then why a plant cannot grow out of a stone? If the seed is growing from the principle (tattva) of the seed itself then why does it seek help from Mother Earth, and if everything is happening due to Mother Earth, then why do the stones not grow because of Mother Earth? It means that there is one tattva in many tattvas, but there are many tattvas. All these different tattvas are all settled within one, and all these different tattvas also exist within us. They reside in different centres, but they are merged in one body and all their movement is only in one direction and they have only one target and only one thing (inaudible) Like the tattva of Ganesh ji exist on Mooladhara Chakra. It is the Ganesha tattva due to which we are seated on this Earth and not thrown away. If Ganesha tattva was not within us, we could not have stayed fixed on this earth. While this earth is rotating everyday, we are glued to it. Someone may say that there exists Ganesha tattva within Mother Earth itself. That's also true! Due to Ganesh tattva of Earth we are fixed on this Earth, but the principle that exists in Earth is called it's Axis, meaning the line in which this tattva exists is called Axis, but actually there is no axis. There is nothing like a line, but it's believed that the power of this tattva exists in that line and the Earth rotates on that line. So, in what form does that tattva exist within us, that gives us the knowledge of direction? This tattva is more in the animals. Birds have it in abundance because they are innocent. They do not have any deceitful hypocrisy in them and they cannot think. They do not have the power to think and also they cannot think about the future. Also they do not think of the past. Whatever comes before them, that's the reality for animals. They think nothing of the past you will be surprised to know. If a monkey dies, till he dies they make so much fuss, but the moment he dies they will leave him and run away. They have nothing to do with it. It's all over! It's dead, it's like any other stone. There is no relation with it. Absolutely useless! But gradually, definitely within them they get the experience. Like if you try to catch hold of a lion and catch him in a net. If it happens two or three times, he is caught but escapes, then next time the lion sniffs out that there is some kind of danger! Certain knowledge is God given, and few things it learns with experience, what tricks people are playing and how to escape them. With experience too animals learn a lot, still there is a lot of God given knowledge by which he keeps learning, by which he keeps getting agility. Like in Japan, there are certain birds. When they start flying more, and start running about more than usual, then people understand that the earth tremor is about to come, an earthquake is about to come, because the birds start hearing it's trembling much before human beings. Animals also hear sounds much before human beings. They have great power to hear, to see. Even if an eagle sees from a great height, it understands whether the person below is dead or alive. All these powers of the five sense organs animals also have like humans. And the greatest power animals have, which is achieved due to Ganesha tattva, is sense of direction. In which direction one should go. Yesterday I told you that the birds fly from Siberia and arrive here. They know because of this tattva, if they are traveling to the North or traveling to the South. When the Ganesha tattva goes on reducing in a person, his knowledge of direction starts reducing. Among human beings, any person who thinks too much, 'Whether I should do this or not? How much profit will I have? How much loss is there? Should I invest money in this or invest in that?' A person who wastes his time in such nonsensical things, he has little sense of direction. You make him stand and tell him to go to say North, now go to North, this is North! After sometime you will see that he is going towards the South! He loses all sense of direction. You make him stand at the night time and ask him about East, West, North and South. He will say how can I tell? There is no sun either. When your attention is too much outside. You have been either outsmarted by someone or you want to outsmart someone, both the things. You are either afraid that the other person is clever that he may uproot you or you are cleverly planning to ruin another person! In both the situations your innocence goes on reducing. When such a state arises then you lose all sense of direction. I will tell you a simple thing, don't mind! I notice this nowadays. Earlier girls did not indulge into this but now I see this in girls. It's more in Delhi - to raise their eyes and look at every man! Earlier men used to look, now women have also started! Now you will think it's an insignificant thing, what's the big deal! But now it's a must to look at every man. They will say that mother is talking perhaps about etiquette. No, it is a very deep thing mother is telling. The more you see, the more your attention moves outward. The more your vision goes outside, the more your Mooladhara Chakra will be damaged, especially due to these kinds of activities. Or many people have this habit of looking at everything while walking on the way. They have to read every advertisement and by chance if they miss something, they will turn back again and again to see it. Or whatever is being sold in the market must be seen by them. What is this? What is this? What is that thing? The relation of our eyes with our Mooladhara chakra is very significant. Mooladhara chakra here at the back is very much related to our eyes. That's why I want to warn those people, who keep moving their eyes here and there, that their Mooladhara chakra is in a bad condition and they have to face all kinds of strange problems. The most important thing is that the attention of such a person is not stable because he has forgotten his way of life. To look at everything unnecessarily is also a kind of forgetting the way. A person who knows his direction, he goes straight. Only human beings can forget the direction, not the animals because they have no reason to forget it. Suppose an animal kills another animal and leaves it somewhere. He knows where he has left it, he will get it's smell and he will reach the exact place! Cannot get lost! If you want to throw out a cat from your house. Go and drop her seven miles away. Then also she may return. And dogs are so wonderful! They smell things so well and immediately find out where the thief is and where the missing items are! But the smelling power in human beings is destroyed. He starts getting a foul smell of filth, but not the foul smell of filth of sin! He is not able to smell whatever is living within us as sin or that he is standing next to someone who is a big sinner! He will definitely smell that it is something dirty, complain about lack of sanitation, but even if a sinner is standing next to him he won't feel his foul smell. And if that sinner is a big man, if he is a big minister, one will not mind even licking his feet. Due to Ganesha tattva going out of order, the whole existence of man is destroyed. The Ganesha tattva is affected by the moon. When the moon in a person goes out of order, the person gets lunacy. He becomes mad. And what is this madness? When a person has roving eyes his attention does not remain in his control and any evil spirit can attack him. I asked foreigners, 'What are you doing to your eyes? Jesus Christ has said in clear words, 'It's written that- Thou shall not commit adultery, but I verily say to you, Thou shall not have adulterous eyes.' We spoil our Ganesha tattva in this manner. When the Ganesha tattva gets spoiled, the Kundalini does not get settled and pulls it back no matter how high you take it, that Kundalini like there is (unclear) in that manner Kundalini. Firstly, the Kundalini of such a person does not rise and even if it rises it falls. Therefore, say if a person is a thief, he steals things, it's not a big crime in the eyes of God. If he steals from the government like he doesn't pay income tax, he doesn't have that much income too and the government levies so much tax. One does not know how much tax the government will impose? It has no limit! God knows who is actually the thief? The government is a thief or the person who is burdened with so much tax is the thief! This doesn't mean that the Sahaja Yogis should stop paying taxes! (Laughter) But the thing! In the eyes of God that person is impure whose intentions are not pure towards women. One should learn to look at all other women, except for your wife, with purity. Nowadays, people do not believe that such a thing happens, but that's how we used to see most people during our time. Nowadays, I see people of my age who are old, they too are ruined. In old-age they have picked up wrong ideas from youngsters. Now old men are much more ruined than youngsters. One cannot understand when they will get wisdom! When we were small, there were young people around. Nobody dared misbehave. There was never such a question, hardly any, I used to go alone anywhere. I have also studied in Punjab. In Punjab who could dare misbehave with a woman! Everyone will tear that man to shreds. Every single man was afraid to misbehave in that Punjab. Now Punjabis of today- don't know if they are Punjabis or what! If anybody raised an eye towards a woman with wrong intentions, the sardars did not tolerate it. There used to be bloodshed and today the condition is such that nobody knows anyone. And now we say how can this happen? Our attention cannot get stable! Fifty years ago it was not so, forty years ago it was not so what has happened now? Where has the shame of the eyes disappeared? There was nobody to tell them to have some shame. It used to happen automatically. People used to know. This is how they used to live. Nowadays we have become very 'qualified'. So much 'ability' has come that our Ganesh Tattva is damaged quite a lot. Yesterday you asked me that's why I am telling you otherwise I don't say because people feek offended, but the atmosphere nowadays is very bad, very harmful due to which all kinds of indiscipline, malfunction, insolence and wickedness exist. When you start indulging in these kinds of activities, now even women have become like this, then what about the condition of men? Shri Mataji (addressing someone in the crowd) Sardarji, what made you feel so bad? Sardarji: No, No! Shri Mataji: Then why are you leaving the program midway? Sardarji: I'm just coming back. (Shri Mataji continues) In this way women are also like that. Not just men, now women have also started becoming like them. It is very difficult for the kingdom of God to come into such a world. Nowadays, there are also gurus who teach people to indulge in such wrong things to achieve God. Lakhs of people go to such gurus! They are garlanded. They will have ten times more people than what we have here. Nobody likes to hear about purity! So these fake gurus tell you to do whatever you like, crush and damage your Ganesh tattva and (unclear) Ganesh ji! In the tattva it's not a matter of science but of purity. A person should be holy. People address me as 'Her Holiness' but do not understand when I talk of holiness, because nowadays no guru tells that one has to be pure. Mataji is a strange guru because first and foremost she talks about keeping purity. But this is what most of the gurus tell their disciples, 'Do whatever you like but deposit your money with me. That's it! Have you deposited the money or not?' Now, awakening of the kundalini is the reality. It's an actualization. For this it's necessary for human beings to be pure. If you are impure then one should not get the right to get awakening of Kundalini. Still there is this relation of a mother. A mother never wants to accept that her son is immoral. It becomes very difficult for her. She thinks that somehow I should give him his self realization by using all the power of my virtues. You must know whether you like it or not that you have to make your life holy after getting your self realization. It's a must that purity must exist in you. It doesn't mean that you become a monk, not a monk but be a Sahaja yogi. I doesn't mean at all that you live in an unnatural way, not at all! By that a person becomes very dry, becomes a very dry person. This is also prohibited. Auspicious married life is blessed in Sahaja Yoga. In fact there are marriages conducted in Sahaja yoga which are very beneficial. We organize marriages in Sahaj yoga which have many benefits. Marriage is an auspicious event and you all know that we always worship Shri Ganesha. If there is no purity in you, then you cannot talk of God. It's absolutely true! That's why many people ask, Mother, what will happen to the fruits of our actions (karmas) which are not good. You needn't say these things before me, because for a mother nothing is difficult. Her name itself is Papanashini (one who destroys all the sins) so why worry, but all wrong doings are forgiven till you get your self realization because you are in darkness, but after getting realization you must know that you can awaken your Ganesh Tattva very easily. When foreigners have been able to achieve it, why can't you do it? When these people have learnt what is purity then can we not fix our Ganesh Tattva? At least I haven't come across any Indian who considers impurity a virtue. He does wrong but knows that this is a sin, it's a mistake. Any Indian whether he lives abroad or here. They indulge into wrong things and know that it's wrong, but these foreigners don't even know that it is wrong. They think it's good. They feel that their welfare is only possible if they indulge in wrong activities. They are so naive in this matter, they are too simple, poor things! Yet they survived (after coming to Sahaja Yoga), but the responsibility lies with you to maintain this Ganesha Tattva. Like Shri Ganesha- where is his Mooladhara chakra? Whatever the excretion activities are, all are done by this centre where Shri Ganesha resides. He does all that work because, Shri Ganesha is like a lotus in the mud, who spreads so much fragrance with his scent that even that mud becomes fragrant. You will be surprised that as soon as your Ganesha tattva begins to solidify, so much joy, about which you have never known, will start rising from within because the tattva is immaculate. The tattva itself means immaculate. When it has achieved its tattva, meaning it has become immaculate because all its impurity is gone. The one who does not let any impurity settle within is pure immaculate. Anything that purifies can only be a tattva, because nothing can stick to tattva. It always remains the tattva. That's why first and foremost we invoke Shri Ganesha, we worship him and we respect him. But nowadays there are people who are disrespecting Shri Ganesha morning till evening in the name of Kundalini. They are insulting him so much that I can't even tell you. Kundalini is a mother and that too is a virgin. When Shri Gauri was in a virgin state and when before the marriage she had gone to take bath to welcome her husband, marriage had taken place but she had not yet met her husband. So when she went for a bath, she created Shri Ganesha and kept him outside the bathroom. It's a fact! It has another meaning or it has another dimension, that he should protect his mother, protect her honour and her protocol and protect her chastity, because she is a virgin (Kanya). Similarly the Kundalini within us is in the form of Mother Gauri meaning she is a virgin. She has not yet met her husband and her husband in the form of Spirit is Shri Shiva, and Shri Ganesha is sitting there. Where Shri Ganesha is seated from that door even Lord Shiva cannot pass through! It is such a pure entrance! And these evil people who should be called Tantrik try to move towards Kundalini from that side, due to which they get into all kinds of troubles! An unholy person has no right to awaken the Kundalini. If such a person will try, Shri Ganesha will definitely get displeased and as a result many kinds of ailments will attack the person. Some people I have heard start dancing. Some people start yelling, some become confused and some start making sounds of animals. I have seen some people get blisters because they get in touch with people who are impure and have no knowledge of Kundalini and when they take to Kundalini awakening by wrong methods then they face the fury of Shri Ganesha and the seeker has to suffer a lot. All tantrik vidya is achieved by upsetting Shri Ganesha. People called tantriks are not real tantriks at all! The real pure Nirmal tantra is actually Sahaja Yoga, because if the meaning of tantra is kundalini, yantra means Kundalini as well then this knowledge is only in Sahaja yoga and rest of the tantriks are against God, they are selfish people, evil people, who by upsetting Shri Ganesha, by upsetting the Goddess, by indulging in impure activities in front of their statues, create a world where they can perform their evil practices, and by doing pret Vidya and shamshan Vidya (black magic) they can cheat people. It's very important to understand that tantriks can never touch a person who has a strong Ganesha tattva. Never, no matter how much they try! If the Ganesha principle of a person is strong, the tantik may die in the process, but is unable to harm him. That's why Ganesha tattva is the security. The greatest security comes from Ganesha tattva. That's why you should keep your Ganesha tattva very strong. Firstly keep your eyes under control. An incarnation like Lakshmana also kept his eyes lowered and only looked at the holy feet of Sita ji. He was sinless. Not just Sita ji, he used to only look at the feet of other people as well. Because he knew that by looking up, or running after someone would only result in damaging his attention. Ganesh tattva has come from Mother Earth. She has given us Ganesha tattva and that's why we should be thankful to Mother Earth again and again that by giving us this Ganesh tattva she has given us the sense of direction. When the Ganesha tattva is awakened in a person, he gets wisdom and discretion. We always pray to Shri Ganesha, please give us discretion. Please give us wisdom. It doesn't matter if human beings don't have the sense of direction, but they must have a sense of what is right and what is wrong. That's why we ask him to grant us discretion and that's why he is known as the giver of discretion. Now this is the Ganesh tattva. The second most important tattva within us is Vishnu tattva. From which we sustain the dharma which is affected by our Nabhi chakra. We have our dharma, in our Nabhi chakra. Like when we were amoeba, we were seeking food. When you rose from the state of amoeba and became a human being you start seeking power. And when you went further you start seeking God. It's the dharma of human beings to seek God. Animals cannot do that. No other living being can seek God. Only a human being can seek God. This is the dharma of human beings, which is looked after by Shri Vishnu. Now, many people think that we get money from lord Vishnu, we get many financial benefits from Vishnu ji, but it's not so that we get only money from him. See we have such wrong ideas about it. From Vishnu ji we get our (kshem) well being and nothing else. What benefit one gets from well being, let's see! When a human being gets his well being- let's take an example of a fish who is fully satisfied with the ocean. It achieves satisfaction. It feels that it has completely seen and understood the whole ocean and has learnt the dharma of the ocean. Now it wants to know the dharma of Earth. So it moves in that direction. First one fish came out. When that fish came out only one fish, that what is born first is considered an incarnation. So that one fish pulled many fishes along with her. For learning what ? Which dharma? Dharma of this Earth! What is the dharma of this Earth? First we must understand that. That's why those fishes came out crawling, now they were curious to know the dharma of Earth. Till now they knew about dharma of water. First they learnt dharma of water, now they started learning about the Dharma of Mother Earth. When they started learning about the Dharma of Mother Earth, they started crawling and saw that there are trees and they can eat the leaves of the trees as well. Thirst is the first thing by which a person starts seeking. The power of seeking exists in the nabhi chakra because you have a thirst or you have a desire to quench your thirst somehow. So when they saw the trees they realised that they are crawling and cannot eat the things hanging on the tree. Gradually they acquired four legs and became a tortoise, who saw huge trees around and thought what to do. So in order to quench his thirst of seeking he thought why not grow higher and that's how he became an animal. And after becoming an animal it thought of raising his neck and see things around. Lived so long with head bent down now time to raise its neck and see! When it raised its neck it became a human being. Gradually it became a human being. So this dharma that we have within us, we sustain it. Like first it was dharma of a fish to swim in the water, after that it was the dharma of the tortoise to crawl. After that the Dharma of the animals was to walk on their four feet, although their necks were bent downwards. Then came horses who had their neck held high. Afterwards they made their body stand straight and stood on two feet. This is the Dharma of a human being that he is standing on two feet and his neck is straight. It happened outwardly that you understood in the gross way but what did humans achieve in tattva? Whenever you do something the tattva should flow in whatever work you are doing. For example, today I am talking through this and you are listening to me but imagine if something better than this comes up in future, so it's machinery that will work will all be new or not? Similarly the tattva in the human beings developed and that tattva is that he seeks God. In this tattva one starts seeking God. So the first tattva of human beings is to seek God. The man who does not seek God is worse than an animal. When he started his search for God his tattva of seeking in the Nabhi chakra became complete. Now he came on another tattva, so now when he started seeking God he saw that this universe has been created and it's quite possible that God exist in these stars, these planets and other celestial bodies. His eyes turned towards that. Then he thought of (Hiranyagarbha) Shri Mahabhramadev. Then human beings wrote Vedas and their attention moved towards fire and the five elements. He tried to learn about them. After learning about them they performed the yagnya and worshiped Shri Brahmadev and Goddess Saraswati. After doing all that they felt that they have learnt everything. Like in science we all know a lot. We have learnt everything, but when the result of science came we realized that we have ended up making atom bombs!! So the scientists reached the brink, when they started thinking where to go next. If we take even one step forward the whole world will be destroyed in seconds. If you read the books they have written, one is named 'Shocked'. What a big shock it is, and how many people are in ignorance. That's why they are sad. Like the people of France they always look so sad. So I asked, 'why this?' Sahaj yogis told me, 'If you tell them to be happy and joyous they will think there is no greater stupid than you. You know nothing about this world.' So, 'I said really?' These people say that they have read a lot and have read books by which they have learned that a great calamity is about to hit the world and the whole world is about to get totally destroyed and humans are totally prepared to destroy themselves in seconds. This is a big disaster and how can anyone be full of happiness and joy under these circumstances? These people cannot believe it. So I asked, 'Is this this reason why people drink? Is this the reason for their drinking because they are very sad people, miserable souls isn't it?' They hang their faces meaning they are sad, then why do they take alcohol? It can be that they want to kill the sorrow, this can be one explanation that they are trying to kill the sorrow, but at every corner you will find a bad woman standing on the road in Paris. What's the purpose, why? See, human beings have created a big drama here. That I am very sad and therefore I must drink and also commit sin, because if I do not commit a sin how will I get rid of my misery! People say such stupid things. So, if seeking God in tattva is everything then you must know that you cannot achieve God through science. Whatever you have achieved through science, whatever great knowledge you have achieved, nobody has got joy out of it. That's the first thing, that you become more lethargic. Now you cannot walk in England, if you visit a shop. If they have to add two, four and six they cannot do it. They need a computer for it! They cannot do without it! If it get lost then they will lose their head. They cannot think. First by excessive thinking their hands became useless. they can't do any embroidery work, any cooking. When their brain started working excessively, it became a machine. They put their brain in machines. Now machines have come, and the brains have become useless. Machines are now everything for them. They cannot do without machines. People commit suicide if there is a power cut! Here (in India) by God's grace it is still better. People are used to these power cuts. But people there are worried, what if there is a power failure! Once there was a power failure in America, I don't know how many accidents took place, how many troubles and how many problems cropped up. So much drama, as if a storm has come like if a flood has come. This is how they have got enslaved to electricity and now they are discovering that they have created mountains of plastic. Now what to do with this plastic? How to destroy it? They are putting attention to this problem and now worrying about it. If you visit even one house abroad, you will find a variety of things made of plastic. Even Indians are losing their minds because they ask me to get nylon sari from abroad. Here we get such good saris of cotton and saris in silk, why wear nylon? But we are now taken up by nylon. Tomorrow we will develop a liking for plastic. Abroad, if you tell someone they don't believe that we are so stupid. For them cotton is like God, because it's not available. Earlier they use to make a lot of cotton clothes. As they consume a lot of alcohol, they will have ten different types of glasses in their house to serve it. If they sit to have their meals, there are a number of spoons and different types of plates for different servings. Why not just take a thali (a big Indian serving plate made of metal) and eat by hand! Why large numbers of glasses and different types of cutlery, different types of plates! God save from them! The situation is such that they have extracted all the tattva of Mother Earth and now they have become hollow. So, now what are they eating into? From morning till evening they eat in the paper! One of our relatives went to America. Poor thing he is old styled and he said, 'I am really fed up. I got tired of every day's picnic. Everytime you see either plastic plate or paper plates!' This is the condition of their houses. While we think they are so affluent and prosperous. But what do they have except plastic? Eating in plastic, living in plastic and dying in plastic! And the condition of their houses is such that they live in hotels and die in hospitals. They have become nomads. they have lost everything. There is no tattva left. These science related people, if I tell you anything about them you will have a good laugh. Take the case of Medical science. People say so much has been achieved, but just see what has been achieved! Nothing has happened! Just see! I was told, the toothpaste they are using, they add chloroform in it! Due to this they are now getting cancer! So some people asked me to get neem toothpaste from India, because it does not contain chloroform. I said alright! Chloroform is expensive. How can we (Indians) use it? We cannot add chloroform in them. So we started sending toothpaste from here. The soaps they use for hands also contain chemicals and they are not really soaps. You will see that the soap of India will be used all over the world in the coming days. All of you, no need to buy shares (laughter) because Indian soap is pure. It's made on the basis of tattva. It's not artificial. All the things abroad-I do not ever use any foreign products, because all their products if you notice- they have this high scents, something called Tabac. It's all made of tobacco. As it's made of tobacco it's called Tabac. Because the tobacco gradually starts affecting, the person starts getting intoxicated. And he thinks that he is addicted to it and uses only Tabac. It is tobacco and in our country only tobacco water is used. They too must have been made in the same fashion. The perfumes in our country are real. They are actually perfumes, but here it's just chemicals. Like they use dye in the hair. In our country they apply (mehndi) Henna for that but whatever these people apply in their heads gives cancer! There is so much artificiality here that people lost the hair of their eyebrows, and some lost their hair in their youth. Some don't get hair in their beard and others somewhere else (laughter). It's a weird and strange situation! It was found that they used such products that all their natural hair growth stopped! Sardarjis (Sikh people with long hair and turbans) will have a bad time there. (Laughter) And if they take more alcohol, it will be worse. Anyways, whatever may happen, what I have to say is that by indulging in artificial things, and since we are unaware of our tattva and we tried to get on the tattva of these five elements, we were still in the gross. It's grossness is not it's tattva. The tattva of all the (Panchmahabhut) five elements is this Brahma Tattva. And what is Brahma Tattva? Simply by achieving the spirit that Brahma tattva starts flowing from within us. We didn't search for that tattva but something else. We went on searching and searching and reached outside, where we came to the gross. That's why no one is happy in other nations. So much science, media, they are all very learned people, so educated, but are now standing on the point, that if they go one step further all of them will fall very badly! That's why everyone is shocked and move about in a very sad state. They are so upset that very few people you will find there, whose one or the other body part is not twitching! Either the eye must be twitching, or the nose must be twitching, otherwise their head is like this. You will not find one mind which is peaceful. Women beat men and men beat women. Parents kill their children. Two children are killed every week by parents. They actually kill! It's the statistics there. Minimum two children must die and they are killed by their parents! Where we have this kind of culture, we must understand that these people have not understood the tattva. If they would have known and got the tattva, their condition would not be like this, because tattva is the giver of joy! They have removed the tattva from there. So even the Brahmadeva Tattva has gone. Like in our country as we say, there is formless God and we should achieve him. It's written in the Vedas but they have prohibited it. But even in Vedas it's written that Veda means Vid means to know. If, after reading all the Vedas, humans do not know themselves then all this reading of Vedas has been futile, isn't it? The first thing we must know is that by reading Vedas you cannot get self knowledge. By reading all other things can happen, but self knowledge cannot be achieved. There is Gayatri Mantra. People go on reciting Gayatri, Gayatri! By this kind of nonsense, can Goddess Gayatri get awakened? Have you seen anybody's deity awakened? You don't even know why you recite Gayatri Mantra! To awaken the Gayatri, it's necessary that human beings first awaken their spirit. Gayatri is one of the powers of God Almighty. Until and unless you know God Almighty, how far you can carry on with the help of Gayatri. Supposing the Prime Minister is displeased with you then you are in trouble. Even if you have been able to please someone else, you are still in trouble because no-one can save you. Unless and until you achieve God all these powers are useless. This is so obvious. And Spirit only is the Tattva and it is to be achieved. By getting all these powers you cannot achieve God. By achieving God you can get to the tattva of these powers. Now, we should put our attention to the power above the Nabhi, which is known as the power of the Goddess. It resides in your heart chakra. Heart chakra means heart. (Addressing someone in the audience- Who is it? Don't behave like that child while sitting here! Don't behave like that! Okey ) Among the children, if one child is not alright all the children get affected. Sit peacefully! So, now the other chakra that we have, which we call the Heart Chakra, it's tattva is called the Devi Tattva. Now what is Devi Tattva within us? When it goes out of order what problems do we get, one must understand. Due to Devi Tattva, security gets established within us by which we are protected. Till a child is twelve years old, according to this Devi Tattva we have the sternum bone in front, by which the soldiers are produced inside, which are called as antibodies. They are the soldiers of the goddess and they spread everywhere inside your body and they are all ready to stop any attack that comes on you. When somehow your security is disturbed or challenged at that time this chakra gets caught up. Like I told you a few days back, a woman loses her sense of security very fast. Suppose there is a lady, she is good and virtuous but her husband has not given her security. Suppose there is a woman, she is suspicious of her husband. Suppose it's just a suspicion, that he is a loafer and he's having an affair with another woman. So her heart chakra will get caught up. In such a situation, instead of getting upset with her, the husband should correct her heart chakra. Tell her, 'There is nothing like this. There's no other woman in my life apart from you.' There are ways for that. One must learn how to make a lady feel secure instead of getting angry with her. But people do not listen. They start shouting at the wife, 'Who are you to say anything? Who are you to interfere? You are like that, you are very skeptical. Go to your father's house!' Second time her security is finished! A man, especially in India, feels whatever he does is alright. He never commits any sin. He feels that maintaining chastity is the responsibility of women. Men do not need any chastity. Such are the views of people here. Then their correction is done in the proper manner by nature. Like if you go to England. All men are like labourers! They work morning till evening like a donkey. If a man divorces his wife due to any reason his house is sold out. Half goes to the wife and half remains with him. If a man does this thrice or it happens three times with him he comes on the road! He will die due to over consumption of alcohol but the wife will become rich. If she gets married thrice she has the advantage. If the treatment would have been through the tattva from the outside- then the men there would be different. You won't believe that the men there are always running after their wives, trying to please her, and She keeps ordering him, 'You didn't clean the dishes? Is this how the dishes are cleaned? Now go and sweep the house! (Laughter in the audience) You do not know how to sweep. How are you sweeping? Haven't your mother taught you how to sweep?' And this is how a man is always sweeping! I have seen with my own eyes. I am surprised! He has to clean all the brass! He had to keep everything clean! If it gets even a little bit dirty, even if a few guests are sitting there, the wife will say pick it up and he will start cleaning. And that's why, if you have noticed, kitchens are very developed in foreign countries, because men have to do everything (sound of laughter from audience). If you work in the mill stove here, then you will know. In India men do not know how to do any work! Can't do any work! They have nothing to do with household. Like I have noticed when they go abroad, they are totally vanquished! They do not know how to cook! They don't know how to wash dishes! They don't know how to hold a broom! They don't know how to do any work. There are no servants available abroad, so when Indians go there they are in trouble. Someone says, 'I am missing my mother!' 'Why?' 'Because we don't get proper food to eat.' 'Why don't you cook?' 'I don't know how to cook.' There was a secretary in the Education department at that time. I was really surprised to hear the things he said, 'In the next ten years only women will remain, men will be all seen sweeping!' I asked, 'why?' He said, 'Men are so useless.' In students if you notice the leaders of the boys are all goons. Those who never pass the exams. Those who do not pass any exams, sometimes for ten years they stay in the same class. I said, 'that is why our country's situation is like this.' And the girl's leader is the one who always comes first in class, who is brilliant, whose nature is good, the one who has wisdom and discretion, such girls are the leaders. If you explain anything to girls they will surely understand. If you say to boys they are always ready to fight. They are such hooligans, they are such devils that you cannot talk to them. From morning till evening, girls are trained that they have to go to their husband's house after marriage. But boys are trained that if you go to sasural (wife's house) at least bring a car from there. (Laughter among audience) So If we don't treat according to the tattva in any system then we get lots of problems within us. And that's why we must understand the tattva of marriage. And that tattva is, that my wife is my wife. I am telling this to Indians. Abroad I have to say just the opposite. There the security of men is totally disturbed. Their condition is very bad. But in India, any woman whose heart chakra is out of order, may get breast cancer or may get tuberculosis. Mostly breast cancer is caused due to this. Now, if this disease has to be cured and if I tell a husband that give security to your wife, he will not listen. He can never agree and doctors can never cure it. They will just advice for conducting an operation. That's it! If it's cancer! Cut the nose! Cut the ears! Cut this and cut that! If it's cancer, cut half of the things. Whatever little bit is left, it's running on support system. Sahaja yoga is not like that. It takes the tattva in consideration. Which tattva of the person is damaged? We will find out and correct it! Now around the Nabhi chakra, the great tattva we have, we call it Dharma tattva. The one who looks after this Dharma tattva is the Guru Tattva. And if this guru tattva gets spoiled then cancer sets in very easily. If you have to find the easiest way to have cancer, then you visit a false guru. Within five years or so you will definitely get cancer! For the last ten years I have been telling you the names of the false gurus. How come they are fake, do not go to them, they will harm you. All this I am telling but everybody tells me not to speak openly. They will shoot you. They will kill you and so on. I said, 'if anyone has the courage, shoot me.' I even told you their names. I did everything but still everyone went to those false gurus, got harmed and then came back to me. Either you will get a heart attack, but suppose you don't get it. If fake gurus have been kind enough to spare you from this then they will give you lunacy or epilepsy. If they are not too happy about it, they will give cancer straight away! Have it! Since you have offered them money they must give you something in return. After all you have served the guru so much, you have filled his pockets with money, you must get something in return! When Guru Tattva is damaged, then there is no limit to the types of cancers one can have. Like this forehead, there is no need to bow it before anyone. There is no need to bow down everywhere. It's okay if you bow to your parents but don't even bow before someone you accept as guru. First you must know that the one who unites you with God is a real Guru. It's just the opposite in my case. I tell people not to touch my feet. Around six thousand people touched my feet. My feet get swollen due to vibrations. I tell them not to touch but they get upset, that mother is not allowing us to touch her feet. This disease people have, that if someone announces here comes a Guru 108 420 (laughter among the audience). Everyone will rush forward and prostrate before him and after that they faint and fall down. Guru blessed us, we felt dizzy and fainted and it's observed that such people will finally land up in the mental asylum in the next five to six years. People do not notice that at least the health of this person, who is following this guru, has to be good. At least he should feel comfortable. But thousands and millions of people visit such fake gurus. What does your guru do? He sits on the 7th floor. He doesn't speak. He is a mauni (who doesn't speak) baba. Doesn't he speak? What will he speak? If there is something in the brain then only he can speak (laughter among audience) So he doesn't speak. If you go to see him he will simply hit you with a (cheemtha) tongs! (More laughter) People will pay Rupees Hundred each for getting hit by tongs! Afterall he is a Mauni Baba. The more drama he does the better it is for him! They create new and different dramas. Like one Guru said, he started a new drama by saying, 'I will teach you to fly.' (a child laughs aloud) children understand, but the elders do not understand (Shri Mataji laughing) They took 3000 pounds from each person. Imagine three thousand pounds to teach flying! So I said, 'You unfortunate people, why don't you ask your Guru to fly? They said he doesn't fly and gave money. The guru asked them to first boil the potatoes. These followers are so naive, absolutely donkeys! Then they were asked to drink that water for three days. They said that your weight should get reduced. That too in three thousand pounds! Do you know how much is 3000 pounds. I think 6 lakhs. He took six lakh from every person! Is it Six lakhs? (A sahaj yogi -sixty thousand) So sixty thousand each! Then for the next two days he gave them only potato peels to eat! He said your weight should not increase. Later he gave them the rotten potatoes to eat and everybody had diarrhea. So they said it's necessary because that's how you will lose weight! After a few days he hanged them upside down. Told them that you are losing weight by this. Then they were asked to jump on a foam mattress. Try jumping on it like horses. These people started jumping. There photos were taken and the news was printed that they are flying in the air. Outright lie, total lie, big lie! Absolute lie! That we are walking in the air! Just think you have cars, what's the need to walk in the air? You will be hit if you walk in the air like this! What is the need just think about it! Does a man needs to be a bird? He is a special category. He should get the highest. He should achieve the highest state or get this? When you lose your wisdom in the Guru Tattva and go to such stupid people, then your Guru tattva gets spoiled. You don't even realize. Yesterday a gentleman said to me, 'Mother but what about my karmic debt?' So, I asked, 'What does your guru say on this?' He said, 'My Guru has said that whatever sins I have committed, he can eat 1/68 of them!' (Laughter) I said, 'what kind of calculation is this? Who will eat the rest of the sins? That means (Shri Mataji voice fades out. Lecture recording ends here) [Translation from Transcript continues] At that time surrender is not needed. Surrender state should happen later. When you are surrendered there is a seriousness about it and at the same time it's a play (Lila). All this play is for the spirit to become surrendered. So with complete peaceful attention put both your hands forward. There should be light. Lighten your attention. It doesn't mean that there should be any immaturity. Even in this light, You should not touch my feet. Maybe I too am Guru 420 108! Who knows? That's why we talk about tattva, otherwise how will you know if I am that or not! I have told you in a very simple and light manner, even if I am talking nonsense, how will you know that it is a very deep and important thing that I am telling you? Will you know? No! You won't till you get your realization and achieve that depth. That's why, do not touch my feet. Depth is what we must acquire. Once you achieve that you do not get oppressed anymore by anyone. You only worship the one who makes you one with God. I think most of the people have got realization. I think one should not accept anything which does not have Shiva Tattva in it. At the time of achieving your realization you will feel the cool breeze like I told you yesterday and you will become thoughtless. Today I will tell you in detail about the tattvas. Try to keep yourself thoughtless. Keep your eyes closed.। i am very happy that somebody said nobody will go to the cinema but will come to Mother's programme. Today my husband is going to London. I did not even go to drop him. I just came here because I was hoping for all of you to come. And I am glad you all came here instead of going to the cinema. You must get your tattva. This is the purpose of life. By God Grace you will be getting realization! It will be so wonderful. You will get the Brahma Tattva which is the tattva of the spirit. Bring more people tomorrow. I told you very lightly about this serious subject, because there should be no burden on your attention. It's very deep and subtle to achieve the Tattva. So now you see this Brahma Tattva with that subtlety. Achieve that Brahma Tattva which is the tattva of the spirit. May God bless you!

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Talk about Tattva (Principle) Delhi University 15th February, 1981 Delhi Yesterday, I told you that today I will tell you about the tattva (principle). If we look at a tree and if we see the growth in the tree, then we realize that there is some or the other power flowing inside it, due to which the tree is growing and will attain its full growth. It has this power within, otherwise this growth cannot take place. But from where does the tree get this power? What is the meaning of it's tattva? Whatever is visible outside, like the tree is visible, like it's fruits, flowers, leaves are all visible. This is not a tattva. It's not based on any tattva. There is something more subtle than this. We are not able to see that subtle. If it was in a shape, it would have been visible. But it's in a formless state, meaning that the water flowing inside it, although it bears the power, it alone is not it's tattva. Water is carrying that power but if water is everything, then why doesn't a tree grow, if water is put on a stone? Then in tattva one must know that everything has its own tattva. Water has its own tattva. Trees have their own tattva and stones also have their own tattva. Similarly, human beings have also got their own tattva, based on it's capabilities, he is moving, growing, by which he achieves his targets. These tattvas cannot be the same. As I have told you, if a plant is growing due to the water principle (tattva) then why a plant cannot grow out of a stone? If the seed is growing from the principle (tattva) of the seed itself then why does it seek help from Mother Earth, and if everything is happening due to Mother Earth, then why do the stones not grow because of Mother Earth? It means that there is one tattva in many tattvas, but there are many tattvas. All these different tattvas are all settled within one, and all these different tattvas also exist within us. They reside in different centres, but they are merged in one body and all their movement is only in one direction and they have only one target and only one thing (inaudible) Like the tattva of Ganesh ji exist on Mooladhara Chakra. It is the Ganesha tattva due to which we are seated on this Earth and not thrown away. If Ganesha tattva was not within us, we could not have stayed fixed on this earth. While this earth is rotating everyday, we are glued to it. Someone may say that there exists Ganesha tattva within Mother Earth itself. That's also true! Due to Ganesh tattva of Earth we are fixed on this Earth, but the principle that exists in Earth is called it's Axis, meaning the line in which this tattva exists is called Axis, but actually there is no axis. There is nothing like a line, but it's believed that the power of this tattva exists in that line and the Earth rotates on that line. So, in what form does that tattva exist within us, that gives us the knowledge of direction? This tattva is more in the animals. Birds have it in abundance because they are innocent. They do not have any deceitful hypocrisy in them and they cannot think. They do not have the power to think and also they cannot think about the future. Also they do not think of the past. Whatever comes before them, that's the reality for animals. They think nothing of the past you will be surprised to know. If a monkey dies, till he dies they make so much fuss, but the moment he dies they will leave him and run away. They have nothing to do with it. It's all over! It's dead, it's like any other stone. There is no relation with it. Absolutely useless! But gradually, definitely within them they get the experience. Like if you try to catch hold of a lion and catch him in a net. If it happens two or three times, he is caught but escapes, then next time the lion sniffs out that there is some kind of danger! Certain knowledge is God given, and few things it learns with experience, what tricks people are playing and how to escape them. With experience too animals learn a lot, still there is a lot of God given knowledge by which he keeps learning, by which he keeps getting agility. Like in Japan, there are certain birds. When they start flying more, and start running about more than usual, then people understand that the earth tremor is about to come, an earthquake is about to come, because the birds start hearing it's trembling much before human beings. Animals also hear sounds much before human beings. They have great power to hear, to see. Even if an eagle sees from a great height, it understands whether the person below is dead or alive. All these powers of the five sense organs animals also have like humans. And the greatest power animals have, which is achieved due to Ganesha tattva, is sense of direction. In which direction one should go. Yesterday I told you that the birds fly from Siberia and arrive here. They know because of this tattva, if they are traveling to the North or traveling to the South. When the Ganesha tattva goes on reducing in a person, his knowledge of direction starts reducing. Among human beings, any person who thinks too much, 'Whether I should do this or not? How much profit will I have? How much loss is there? Should I invest money in this or invest in that?' A person who wastes his time in such nonsensical things, he has little sense of direction. You make him stand and tell him to go to say North, now go to North, this is North! After sometime you will see that he is going towards the South! He loses all sense of direction. You make him stand at the night time and ask him about East, West, North and South. He will say how can I tell? There is no sun either. When your attention is too much outside. You have been either outsmarted by someone or you want to outsmart someone, both the things. You are either afraid that the other person is clever that he may uproot you or you are cleverly planning to ruin another person! In both the situations your innocence goes on reducing. When such a state arises then you lose all sense of direction. I will tell you a simple thing, don't mind! I notice this nowadays. Earlier girls did not indulge into this but now I see this in girls. It's more in Delhi - to raise their eyes and look at every man! Earlier men used to look, now women have also started! Now you will think it's an insignificant thing, what's the big deal! But now it's a must to look at every man. They will say that mother is talking perhaps about etiquette. No, it is a very deep thing mother is telling. The more you see, the more your attention moves outward. The more your vision goes outside, the more your Mooladhara Chakra will be damaged, especially due to these kinds of activities. Or many people have this habit of looking at everything while walking on the way. They have to read every advertisement and by chance if they miss something, they will turn back again and again to see it. Or whatever is being sold in the market must be seen by them. What is this? What is this? What is that thing? The relation of our eyes with our Mooladhara chakra is very significant. Mooladhara chakra here at the back is very much related to our eyes. That's why I want to warn those people, who keep moving their eyes here and there, that their Mooladhara chakra is in a bad condition and they have to face all kinds of strange problems. The most important thing is that the attention of such a person is not stable because he has forgotten his way of life. To look at everything unnecessarily is also a kind of forgetting the way. A person who knows his direction, he goes straight. Only human beings can forget the direction, not the animals because they have no reason to forget it. Suppose an animal kills another animal and leaves it somewhere. He knows where he has left it, he will get it's smell and he will reach the exact place! Cannot get lost! If you want to throw out a cat from your house. Go and drop her seven miles away. Then also she may return. And dogs are so wonderful! They smell things so well and immediately find out where the thief is and where the missing items are! But the smelling power in human beings is destroyed. He starts getting a foul smell of filth, but not the foul smell of filth of sin! He is not able to smell whatever is living within us as sin or that he is standing next to someone who is a big sinner! He will definitely smell that it is something dirty, complain about lack of sanitation, but even if a sinner is standing next to him he won't feel his foul smell. And if that sinner is a big man, if he is a big minister, one will not mind even licking his feet. Due to Ganesha tattva going out of order, the whole existence of man is destroyed. The Ganesha tattva is affected by the moon. When the moon in a person goes out of order, the person gets lunacy. He becomes mad. And what is this madness? When a person has roving eyes his attention does not remain in his control and any evil spirit can attack him. I asked foreigners, 'What are you doing to your eyes? Jesus Christ has said in clear words, 'It's written that- Thou shall not commit adultery, but I verily say to you, Thou shall not have adulterous eyes.' We spoil our Ganesha tattva in this manner. When the Ganesha tattva gets spoiled, the Kundalini does not get settled and pulls it back no matter how high you take it, that Kundalini like there is (unclear) in that manner Kundalini. Firstly, the Kundalini of such a person does not rise and even if it rises it falls. Therefore, say if a person is a thief, he steals things, it's not a big crime in the eyes of God. If he steals from the government like he doesn't pay income tax, he doesn't have that much income too and the government levies so much tax. One does not know how much tax the government will impose? It has no limit! God knows who is actually the thief? The government is a thief or the person who is burdened with so much tax is the thief! This doesn't mean that the Sahaja Yogis should stop paying taxes! (Laughter) But the thing! In the eyes of God that person is impure whose intentions are not pure towards women. One should learn to look at all other women, except for your wife, with purity. Nowadays, people do not believe that such a thing happens, but that's how we used to see most people during our time. Nowadays, I see people of my age who are old, they too are ruined. In old-age they have picked up wrong ideas from youngsters. Now old men are much more ruined than youngsters. One cannot understand when they will get wisdom! When we were small, there were young people around. Nobody dared misbehave. There was never such a question, hardly any, I used to go alone anywhere. I have also studied in Punjab. In Punjab who could dare misbehave with a woman! Everyone will tear that man to shreds. Every single man was afraid to misbehave in that Punjab. Now Punjabis of today- don't know if they are Punjabis or what! If anybody raised an eye towards a woman with wrong intentions, the sardars did not tolerate it. There used to be bloodshed and today the condition is such that nobody knows anyone. And now we say how can this happen? Our attention cannot get stable! Fifty years ago it was not so, forty years ago it was not so what has happened now? Where has the shame of the eyes disappeared? There was nobody to tell them to have some shame. It used to happen automatically. People used to know. This is how they used to live. Nowadays we have become very 'qualified'. So much 'ability' has come that our Ganesh Tattva is damaged quite a lot. Yesterday you asked me that's why I am telling you otherwise I don't say because people feek offended, but the atmosphere nowadays is very bad, very harmful due to which all kinds of indiscipline, malfunction, insolence and wickedness exist. When you start indulging in these kinds of activities, now even women have become like this, then what about the condition of men? Shri Mataji (addressing someone in the crowd) Sardarji, what made you feel so bad? Sardarji: No, No! Shri Mataji: Then why are you leaving the program midway? Sardarji: I'm just coming back. (Shri Mataji continues) In this way women are also like that. Not just men, now women have also started becoming like them. It is very difficult for the kingdom of God to come into such a world. Nowadays, there are also gurus who teach people to indulge in such wrong things to achieve God. Lakhs of people go to such gurus! They are garlanded. They will have ten times more people than what we have here. Nobody likes to hear about purity! So these fake gurus tell you to do whatever you like, crush and damage your Ganesh tattva and (unclear) Ganesh ji! In the tattva it's not a matter of science but of purity. A person should be holy. People address me as 'Her Holiness' but do not understand when I talk of holiness, because nowadays no guru tells that one has to be pure. Mataji is a strange guru because first and foremost she talks about keeping purity. But this is what most of the gurus tell their disciples, 'Do whatever you like but deposit your money with me. That's it! Have you deposited the money or not?' Now, awakening of the kundalini is the reality. It's an actualization. For this it's necessary for human beings to be pure. If you are impure then one should not get the right to get awakening of Kundalini. Still there is this relation of a mother. A mother never wants to accept that her son is immoral. It becomes very difficult for her. She thinks that somehow I should give him his self realization by using all the power of my virtues. You must know whether you like it or not that you have to make your life holy after getting your self realization. It's a must that purity must exist in you. It doesn't mean that you become a monk, not a monk but be a Sahaja yogi. I doesn't mean at all that you live in an unnatural way, not at all! By that a person becomes very dry, becomes a very dry person. This is also prohibited. Auspicious married life is blessed in Sahaja Yoga. In fact there are marriages conducted in Sahaja yoga which are very beneficial. We organize marriages in Sahaj yoga which have many benefits. Marriage is an auspicious event and you all know that we always worship Shri Ganesha. If there is no purity in you, then you cannot talk of God. It's absolutely true! That's why many people ask, Mother, what will happen to the fruits of our actions (karmas) which are not good. You needn't say these things before me, because for a mother nothing is difficult. Her name itself is Papanashini (one who destroys all the sins) so why worry, but all wrong doings are forgiven till you get your self realization because you are in darkness, but after getting realization you must know that you can awaken your Ganesh Tattva very easily. When foreigners have been able to achieve it, why can't you do it? When these people have learnt what is purity then can we not fix our Ganesh Tattva? At least I haven't come across any Indian who considers impurity a virtue. He does wrong but knows that this is a sin, it's a mistake. Any Indian whether he lives abroad or here. They indulge into wrong things and know that it's wrong, but these foreigners don't even know that it is wrong. They think it's good. They feel that their welfare is only possible if they indulge in wrong activities. They are so naive in this matter, they are too simple, poor things! Yet they survived (after coming to Sahaja Yoga), but the responsibility lies with you to maintain this Ganesha Tattva. Like Shri Ganesha- where is his Mooladhara chakra? Whatever the excretion activities are, all are done by this centre where Shri Ganesha resides. He does all that work because, Shri Ganesha is like a lotus in the mud, who spreads so much fragrance with his scent that even that mud becomes fragrant. You will be surprised that as soon as your Ganesha tattva begins to solidify, so much joy, about which you have never known, will start rising from within because the tattva is immaculate. The tattva itself means immaculate. When it has achieved its tattva, meaning it has become immaculate because all its impurity is gone. The one who does not let any impurity settle within is pure immaculate. Anything that purifies can only be a tattva, because nothing can stick to tattva. It always remains the tattva. That's why first and foremost we invoke Shri Ganesha, we worship him and we respect him. But nowadays there are people who are disrespecting Shri Ganesha morning till evening in the name of Kundalini. They are insulting him so much that I can't even tell you. Kundalini is a mother and that too is a virgin. When Shri Gauri was in a virgin state and when before the marriage she had gone to take bath to welcome her husband, marriage had taken place but she had not yet met her husband. So when she went for a bath, she created Shri Ganesha and kept him outside the bathroom. It's a fact! It has another meaning or it has another dimension, that he should protect his mother, protect her honour and her protocol and protect her chastity, because she is a virgin (Kanya). Similarly the Kundalini within us is in the form of Mother Gauri meaning she is a virgin. She has not yet met her husband and her husband in the form of Spirit is Shri Shiva, and Shri Ganesha is sitting there. Where Shri Ganesha is seated from that door even Lord Shiva cannot pass through! It is such a pure entrance! And these evil people who should be called Tantrik try to move towards Kundalini from that side, due to which they get into all kinds of troubles! An unholy person has no right to awaken the Kundalini. If such a person will try, Shri Ganesha will definitely get displeased and as a result many kinds of ailments will attack the person. Some people I have heard start dancing. Some people start yelling, some become confused and some start making sounds of animals. I have seen some people get blisters because they get in touch with people who are impure and have no knowledge of Kundalini and when they take to Kundalini awakening by wrong methods then they face the fury of Shri Ganesha and the seeker has to suffer a lot. All tantrik vidya is achieved by upsetting Shri Ganesha. People called tantriks are not real tantriks at all! The real pure Nirmal tantra is actually Sahaja Yoga, because if the meaning of tantra is kundalini, yantra means Kundalini as well then this knowledge is only in Sahaja yoga and rest of the tantriks are against God, they are selfish people, evil people, who by upsetting Shri Ganesha, by upsetting the Goddess, by indulging in impure activities in front of their statues, create a world where they can perform their evil practices, and by doing pret Vidya and shamshan Vidya (black magic) they can cheat people. It's very important to understand that tantriks can never touch a person who has a strong Ganesha tattva. Never, no matter how much they try! If the Ganesha principle of a person is strong, the tantik may die in the process, but is unable to harm him. That's why Ganesha tattva is the security. The greatest security comes from Ganesha tattva. That's why you should keep your Ganesha tattva very strong. Firstly keep your eyes under control. An incarnation like Lakshmana also kept his eyes lowered and only looked at the holy feet of Sita ji. He was sinless. Not just Sita ji, he used to only look at the feet of other people as well. Because he knew that by looking up, or running after someone would only result in damaging his attention. Ganesh tattva has come from Mother Earth. She has given us Ganesha tattva and that's why we should be thankful to Mother Earth again and again that by giving us this Ganesh tattva she has given us the sense of direction. When the Ganesha tattva is awakened in a person, he gets wisdom and discretion. We always pray to Shri Ganesha, please give us discretion. Please give us wisdom. It doesn't matter if human beings don't have the sense of direction, but they must have a sense of what is right and what is wrong. That's why we ask him to grant us discretion and that's why he is known as the giver of discretion. Now this is the Ganesh tattva. The second most important tattva within us is Vishnu tattva. From which we sustain the dharma which is affected by our Nabhi chakra. We have our dharma, in our Nabhi chakra. Like when we were amoeba, we were seeking food. When you rose from the state of amoeba and became a human being you start seeking power. And when you went further you start seeking God. It's the dharma of human beings to seek God. Animals cannot do that. No other living being can seek God. Only a human being can seek God. This is the dharma of human beings, which is looked after by Shri Vishnu. Now, many people think that we get money from lord Vishnu, we get many financial benefits from Vishnu ji, but it's not so that we get only money from him. See we have such wrong ideas about it. From Vishnu ji we get our (kshem) well being and nothing else. What benefit one gets from well being, let's see! When a human being gets his well being- let's take an example of a fish who is fully satisfied with the ocean. It achieves satisfaction. It feels that it has completely seen and understood the whole ocean and has learnt the dharma of the ocean. Now it wants to know the dharma of Earth. So it moves in that direction. First one fish came out. When that fish came out only one fish, that what is born first is considered an incarnation. So that one fish pulled many fishes along with her. For learning what ? Which dharma? Dharma of this Earth! What is the dharma of this Earth? First we must understand that. That's why those fishes came out crawling, now they were curious to know the dharma of Earth. Till now they knew about dharma of water. First they learnt dharma of water, now they started learning about the Dharma of Mother Earth. When they started learning about the Dharma of Mother Earth, they started crawling and saw that there are trees and they can eat the leaves of the trees as well. Thirst is the first thing by which a person starts seeking. The power of seeking exists in the nabhi chakra because you have a thirst or you have a desire to quench your thirst somehow. So when they saw the trees they realised that they are crawling and cannot eat the things hanging on the tree. Gradually they acquired four legs and became a tortoise, who saw huge trees around and thought what to do. So in order to quench his thirst of seeking he thought why not grow higher and that's how he became an animal. And after becoming an animal it thought of raising his neck and see things around. Lived so long with head bent down now time to raise its neck and see! When it raised its neck it became a human being. Gradually it became a human being. So this dharma that we have within us, we sustain it. Like first it was dharma of a fish to swim in the water, after that it was the dharma of the tortoise to crawl. After that the Dharma of the animals was to walk on their four feet, although their necks were bent downwards. Then came horses who had their neck held high. Afterwards they made their body stand straight and stood on two feet. This is the Dharma of a human being that he is standing on two feet and his neck is straight. It happened outwardly that you understood in the gross way but what did humans achieve in tattva? Whenever you do something the tattva should flow in whatever work you are doing. For example, today I am talking through this and you are listening to me but imagine if something better than this comes up in future, so it's machinery that will work will all be new or not? Similarly the tattva in the human beings developed and that tattva is that he seeks God. In this tattva one starts seeking God. So the first tattva of human beings is to seek God. The man who does not seek God is worse than an animal. When he started his search for God his tattva of seeking in the Nabhi chakra became complete. Now he came on another tattva, so now when he started seeking God he saw that this universe has been created and it's quite possible that God exist in these stars, these planets and other celestial bodies. His eyes turned towards that. Then he thought of (Hiranyagarbha) Shri Mahabhramadev. Then human beings wrote Vedas and their attention moved towards fire and the five elements. He tried to learn about them. After learning about them they performed the yagnya and worshiped Shri Brahmadev and Goddess Saraswati. After doing all that they felt that they have learnt everything. Like in science we all know a lot. We have learnt everything, but when the result of science came we realized that we have ended up making atom bombs!! So the scientists reached the brink, when they started thinking where to go next. If we take even one step forward the whole world will be destroyed in seconds. If you read the books they have written, one is named 'Shocked'. What a big shock it is, and how many people are in ignorance. That's why they are sad. Like the people of France they always look so sad. So I asked, 'why this?' Sahaj yogis told me, 'If you tell them to be happy and joyous they will think there is no greater stupid than you. You know nothing about this world.' So, 'I said really?' These people say that they have read a lot and have read books by which they have learned that a great calamity is about to hit the world and the whole world is about to get totally destroyed and humans are totally prepared to destroy themselves in seconds. This is a big disaster and how can anyone be full of happiness and joy under these circumstances? These people cannot believe it. So I asked, 'Is this this reason why people drink? Is this the reason for their drinking because they are very sad people, miserable souls isn't it?' They hang their faces meaning they are sad, then why do they take alcohol? It can be that they want to kill the sorrow, this can be one explanation that they are trying to kill the sorrow, but at every corner you will find a bad woman standing on the road in Paris. What's the purpose, why? See, human beings have created a big drama here. That I am very sad and therefore I must drink and also commit sin, because if I do not commit a sin how will I get rid of my misery! People say such stupid things. So, if seeking God in tattva is everything then you must know that you cannot achieve God through science. Whatever you have achieved through science, whatever great knowledge you have achieved, nobody has got joy out of it. That's the first thing, that you become more lethargic. Now you cannot walk in England, if you visit a shop. If they have to add two, four and six they cannot do it. They need a computer for it! They cannot do without it! If it get lost then they will lose their head. They cannot think. First by excessive thinking their hands became useless. they can't do any embroidery work, any cooking. When their brain started working excessively, it became a machine. They put their brain in machines. Now machines have come, and the brains have become useless. Machines are now everything for them. They cannot do without machines. People commit suicide if there is a power cut! Here (in India) by God's grace it is still better. People are used to these power cuts. But people there are worried, what if there is a power failure! Once there was a power failure in America, I don't know how many accidents took place, how many troubles and how many problems cropped up. So much drama, as if a storm has come like if a flood has come. This is how they have got enslaved to electricity and now they are discovering that they have created mountains of plastic. Now what to do with this plastic? How to destroy it? They are putting attention to this problem and now worrying about it. If you visit even one house abroad, you will find a variety of things made of plastic. Even Indians are losing their minds because they ask me to get nylon sari from abroad. Here we get such good saris of cotton and saris in silk, why wear nylon? But we are now taken up by nylon. Tomorrow we will develop a liking for plastic. Abroad, if you tell someone they don't believe that we are so stupid. For them cotton is like God, because it's not available. Earlier they use to make a lot of cotton clothes. As they consume a lot of alcohol, they will have ten different types of glasses in their house to serve it. If they sit to have their meals, there are a number of spoons and different types of plates for different servings. Why not just take a thali (a big Indian serving plate made of metal) and eat by hand! Why large numbers of glasses and different types of cutlery, different types of plates! God save from them! The situation is such that they have extracted all the tattva of Mother Earth and now they have become hollow. So, now what are they eating into? From morning till evening they eat in the paper! One of our relatives went to America. Poor thing he is old styled and he said, 'I am really fed up. I got tired of every day's picnic. Everytime you see either plastic plate or paper plates!' This is the condition of their houses. While we think they are so affluent and prosperous. But what do they have except plastic? Eating in plastic, living in plastic and dying in plastic! And the condition of their houses is such that they live in hotels and die in hospitals. They have become nomads. they have lost everything. There is no tattva left. These science related people, if I tell you anything about them you will have a good laugh. Take the case of Medical science. People say so much has been achieved, but just see what has been achieved! Nothing has happened! Just see! I was told, the toothpaste they are using, they add chloroform in it! Due to this they are now getting cancer! So some people asked me to get neem toothpaste from India, because it does not contain chloroform. I said alright! Chloroform is expensive. How can we (Indians) use it? We cannot add chloroform in them. So we started sending toothpaste from here. The soaps they use for hands also contain chemicals and they are not really soaps. You will see that the soap of India will be used all over the world in the coming days. All of you, no need to buy shares (laughter) because Indian soap is pure. It's made on the basis of tattva. It's not artificial. All the things abroad-I do not ever use any foreign products, because all their products if you notice- they have this high scents, something called Tabac. It's all made of tobacco. As it's made of tobacco it's called Tabac. Because the tobacco gradually starts affecting, the person starts getting intoxicated. And he thinks that he is addicted to it and uses only Tabac. It is tobacco and in our country only tobacco water is used. They too must have been made in the same fashion. The perfumes in our country are real. They are actually perfumes, but here it's just chemicals. Like they use dye in the hair. In our country they apply (mehndi) Henna for that but whatever these people apply in their heads gives cancer! There is so much artificiality here that people lost the hair of their eyebrows, and some lost their hair in their youth. Some don't get hair in their beard and others somewhere else (laughter). It's a weird and strange situation! It was found that they used such products that all their natural hair growth stopped! Sardarjis (Sikh people with long hair and turbans) will have a bad time there. (Laughter) And if they take more alcohol, it will be worse. Anyways, whatever may happen, what I have to say is that by indulging in artificial things, and since we are unaware of our tattva and we tried to get on the tattva of these five elements, we were still in the gross. It's grossness is not it's tattva. The tattva of all the (Panchmahabhut) five elements is this Brahma Tattva. And what is Brahma Tattva? Simply by achieving the spirit that Brahma tattva starts flowing from within us. We didn't search for that tattva but something else. We went on searching and searching and reached outside, where we came to the gross. That's why no one is happy in other nations. So much science, media, they are all very learned people, so educated, but are now standing on the point, that if they go one step further all of them will fall very badly! That's why everyone is shocked and move about in a very sad state. They are so upset that very few people you will find there, whose one or the other body part is not twitching! Either the eye must be twitching, or the nose must be twitching, otherwise their head is like this. You will not find one mind which is peaceful. Women beat men and men beat women. Parents kill their children. Two children are killed every week by parents. They actually kill! It's the statistics there. Minimum two children must die and they are killed by their parents! Where we have this kind of culture, we must understand that these people have not understood the tattva. If they would have known and got the tattva, their condition would not be like this, because tattva is the giver of joy! They have removed the tattva from there. So even the Brahmadeva Tattva has gone. Like in our country as we say, there is formless God and we should achieve him. It's written in the Vedas but they have prohibited it. But even in Vedas it's written that Veda means Vid means to know. If, after reading all the Vedas, humans do not know themselves then all this reading of Vedas has been futile, isn't it? The first thing we must know is that by reading Vedas you cannot get self knowledge. By reading all other things can happen, but self knowledge cannot be achieved. There is Gayatri Mantra. People go on reciting Gayatri, Gayatri! By this kind of nonsense, can Goddess Gayatri get awakened? Have you seen anybody's deity awakened? You don't even know why you recite Gayatri Mantra! To awaken the Gayatri, it's necessary that human beings first awaken their spirit. Gayatri is one of the powers of God Almighty. Until and unless you know God Almighty, how far you can carry on with the help of Gayatri. Supposing the Prime Minister is displeased with you then you are in trouble. Even if you have been able to please someone else, you are still in trouble because no-one can save you. Unless and until you achieve God all these powers are useless. This is so obvious. And Spirit only is the Tattva and it is to be achieved. By getting all these powers you cannot achieve God. By achieving God you can get to the tattva of these powers. Now, we should put our attention to the power above the Nabhi, which is known as the power of the Goddess. It resides in your heart chakra. Heart chakra means heart. (Addressing someone in the audience- Who is it? Don't behave like that child while sitting here! Don't behave like that! Okey ) Among the children, if one child is not alright all the children get affected. Sit peacefully! So, now the other chakra that we have, which we call the Heart Chakra, it's tattva is called the Devi Tattva. Now what is Devi Tattva within us? When it goes out of order what problems do we get, one must understand. Due to Devi Tattva, security gets established within us by which we are protected. Till a child is twelve years old, according to this Devi Tattva we have the sternum bone in front, by which the soldiers are produced inside, which are called as antibodies. They are the soldiers of the goddess and they spread everywhere inside your body and they are all ready to stop any attack that comes on you. When somehow your security is disturbed or challenged at that time this chakra gets caught up. Like I told you a few days back, a woman loses her sense of security very fast. Suppose there is a lady, she is good and virtuous but her husband has not given her security. Suppose there is a woman, she is suspicious of her husband. Suppose it's just a suspicion, that he is a loafer and he's having an affair with another woman. So her heart chakra will get caught up. In such a situation, instead of getting upset with her, the husband should correct her heart chakra. Tell her, 'There is nothing like this. There's no other woman in my life apart from you.' There are ways for that. One must learn how to make a lady feel secure instead of getting angry with her. But people do not listen. They start shouting at the wife, 'Who are you to say anything? Who are you to interfere? You are like that, you are very skeptical. Go to your father's house!' Second time her security is finished! A man, especially in India, feels whatever he does is alright. He never commits any sin. He feels that maintaining chastity is the responsibility of women. Men do not need any chastity. Such are the views of people here. Then their correction is done in the proper manner by nature. Like if you go to England. All men are like labourers! They work morning till evening like a donkey. If a man divorces his wife due to any reason his house is sold out. Half goes to the wife and half remains with him. If a man does this thrice or it happens three times with him he comes on the road! He will die due to over consumption of alcohol but the wife will become rich. If she gets married thrice she has the advantage. If the treatment would have been through the tattva from the outside- then the men there would be different. You won't believe that the men there are always running after their wives, trying to please her, and She keeps ordering him, 'You didn't clean the dishes? Is this how the dishes are cleaned? Now go and sweep the house! (Laughter in the audience) You do not know how to sweep. How are you sweeping? Haven't your mother taught you how to sweep?' And this is how a man is always sweeping! I have seen with my own eyes. I am surprised! He has to clean all the brass! He had to keep everything clean! If it gets even a little bit dirty, even if a few guests are sitting there, the wife will say pick it up and he will start cleaning. And that's why, if you have noticed, kitchens are very developed in foreign countries, because men have to do everything (sound of laughter from audience). If you work in the mill stove here, then you will know. In India men do not know how to do any work! Can't do any work! They have nothing to do with household. Like I have noticed when they go abroad, they are totally vanquished! They do not know how to cook! They don't know how to wash dishes! They don't know how to hold a broom! They don't know how to do any work. There are no servants available abroad, so when Indians go there they are in trouble. Someone says, 'I am missing my mother!' 'Why?' 'Because we don't get proper food to eat.' 'Why don't you cook?' 'I don't know how to cook.' There was a secretary in the Education department at that time. I was really surprised to hear the things he said, 'In the next ten years only women will remain, men will be all seen sweeping!' I asked, 'why?' He said, 'Men are so useless.' In students if you notice the leaders of the boys are all goons. Those who never pass the exams. Those who do not pass any exams, sometimes for ten years they stay in the same class. I said, 'that is why our country's situation is like this.' And the girl's leader is the one who always comes first in class, who is brilliant, whose nature is good, the one who has wisdom and discretion, such girls are the leaders. If you explain anything to girls they will surely understand. If you say to boys they are always ready to fight. They are such hooligans, they are such devils that you cannot talk to them. From morning till evening, girls are trained that they have to go to their husband's house after marriage. But boys are trained that if you go to sasural (wife's house) at least bring a car from there. (Laughter among audience) So If we don't treat according to the tattva in any system then we get lots of problems within us. And that's why we must understand the tattva of marriage. And that tattva is, that my wife is my wife. I am telling this to Indians. Abroad I have to say just the opposite. There the security of men is totally disturbed. Their condition is very bad. But in India, any woman whose heart chakra is out of order, may get breast cancer or may get tuberculosis. Mostly breast cancer is caused due to this. Now, if this disease has to be cured and if I tell a husband that give security to your wife, he will not listen. He can never agree and doctors can never cure it. They will just advice for conducting an operation. That's it! If it's cancer! Cut the nose! Cut the ears! Cut this and cut that! If it's cancer, cut half of the things. Whatever little bit is left, it's running on support system. Sahaja yoga is not like that. It takes the tattva in consideration. Which tattva of the person is damaged? We will find out and correct it! Now around the Nabhi chakra, the great tattva we have, we call it Dharma tattva. The one who looks after this Dharma tattva is the Guru Tattva. And if this guru tattva gets spoiled then cancer sets in very easily. If you have to find the easiest way to have cancer, then you visit a false guru. Within five years or so you will definitely get cancer! For the last ten years I have been telling you the names of the false gurus. How come they are fake, do not go to them, they will harm you. All this I am telling but everybody tells me not to speak openly. They will shoot you. They will kill you and so on. I said, 'if anyone has the courage, shoot me.' I even told you their names. I did everything but still everyone went to those false gurus, got harmed and then came back to me. Either you will get a heart attack, but suppose you don't get it. If fake gurus have been kind enough to spare you from this then they will give you lunacy or epilepsy. If they are not too happy about it, they will give cancer straight away! Have it! Since you have offered them money they must give you something in return. After all you have served the guru so much, you have filled his pockets with money, you must get something in return! When Guru Tattva is damaged, then there is no limit to the types of cancers one can have. Like this forehead, there is no need to bow it before anyone. There is no need to bow down everywhere. It's okay if you bow to your parents but don't even bow before someone you accept as guru. First you must know that the one who unites you with God is a real Guru. It's just the opposite in my case. I tell people not to touch my feet. Around six thousand people touched my feet. My feet get swollen due to vibrations. I tell them not to touch but they get upset, that mother is not allowing us to touch her feet. This disease people have, that if someone announces here comes a Guru 108 420 (laughter among the audience). Everyone will rush forward and prostrate before him and after that they faint and fall down. Guru blessed us, we felt dizzy and fainted and it's observed that such people will finally land up in the mental asylum in the next five to six years. People do not notice that at least the health of this person, who is following this guru, has to be good. At least he should feel comfortable. But thousands and millions of people visit such fake gurus. What does your guru do? He sits on the 7th floor. He doesn't speak. He is a mauni (who doesn't speak) baba. Doesn't he speak? What will he speak? If there is something in the brain then only he can speak (laughter among audience) So he doesn't speak. If you go to see him he will simply hit you with a (cheemtha) tongs! (More laughter) People will pay Rupees Hundred each for getting hit by tongs! Afterall he is a Mauni Baba. The more drama he does the better it is for him! They create new and different dramas. Like one Guru said, he started a new drama by saying, 'I will teach you to fly.' (a child laughs aloud) children understand, but the elders do not understand (Shri Mataji laughing) They took 3000 pounds from each person. Imagine three thousand pounds to teach flying! So I said, 'You unfortunate people, why don't you ask your Guru to fly? They said he doesn't fly and gave money. The guru asked them to first boil the potatoes. These followers are so naive, absolutely donkeys! Then they were asked to drink that water for three days. They said that your weight should get reduced. That too in three thousand pounds! Do you know how much is 3000 pounds. I think 6 lakhs. He took six lakh from every person! Is it Six lakhs? (A sahaj yogi -sixty thousand) So sixty thousand each! Then for the next two days he gave them only potato peels to eat! He said your weight should not increase. Later he gave them the rotten potatoes to eat and everybody had diarrhea. So they said it's necessary because that's how you will lose weight! After a few days he hanged them upside down. Told them that you are losing weight by this. Then they were asked to jump on a foam mattress. Try jumping on it like horses. These people started jumping. There photos were taken and the news was printed that they are flying in the air. Outright lie, total lie, big lie! Absolute lie! That we are walking in the air! Just think you have cars, what's the need to walk in the air? You will be hit if you walk in the air like this! What is the need just think about it! Does a man needs to be a bird? He is a special category. He should get the highest. He should achieve the highest state or get this? When you lose your wisdom in the Guru Tattva and go to such stupid people, then your Guru tattva gets spoiled. You don't even realize. Yesterday a gentleman said to me, 'Mother but what about my karmic debt?' So, I asked, 'What does your guru say on this?' He said, 'My Guru has said that whatever sins I have committed, he can eat 1/68 of them!' (Laughter) I said, 'what kind of calculation is this? Who will eat the rest of the sins? That means (Shri Mataji voice fades out. Lecture recording ends here) [Translation from Transcript continues] At that time surrender is not needed. Surrender state should happen later. When you are surrendered there is a seriousness about it and at the same time it's a play (Lila). All this play is for the spirit to become surrendered. So with complete peaceful attention put both your hands forward. There should be light. Lighten your attention. It doesn't mean that there should be any immaturity. Even in this light, You should not touch my feet. Maybe I too am Guru 420 108! Who knows? That's why we talk about tattva, otherwise how will you know if I am that or not! I have told you in a very simple and light manner, even if I am talking nonsense, how will you know that it is a very deep and important thing that I am telling you? Will you know? No! You won't till you get your realization and achieve that depth. That's why, do not touch my feet. Depth is what we must acquire. Once you achieve that you do not get oppressed anymore by anyone. You only worship the one who makes you one with God. I think most of the people have got realization. I think one should not accept anything which does not have Shiva Tattva in it. At the time of achieving your realization you will feel the cool breeze like I told you yesterday and you will become thoughtless. Today I will tell you in detail about the tattvas. Try to keep yourself thoughtless. Keep your eyes closed.। i am very happy that somebody said nobody will go to the cinema but will come to Mother's programme. Today my husband is going to London. I did not even go to drop him. I just came here because I was hoping for all of you to come. And I am glad you all came here instead of going to the cinema. You must get your tattva. This is the purpose of life. By God Grace you will be getting realization! It will be so wonderful. You will get the Brahma Tattva which is the tattva of the spirit. Bring more people tomorrow. I told you very lightly about this serious subject, because there should be no burden on your attention. It's very deep and subtle to achieve the Tattva. So now you see this Brahma Tattva with that subtlety. Achieve that Brahma Tattva which is the tattva of the spirit. May God bless you!

2/16/1981

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Twatta ki baat Day 2, New Delhi, India 16-02-1981 [English translation from Hindi] I have praised about you. But the truth is that we need to know what is a fact. We also have not less ego. We get ego for useless things, though you say that mother being with you also we have done much foolishness. Ego is much now we have your shelter we had accepted truth was there, and will remain in truth. We accepted highest philosophy of truth and will accept also. You cannot compromise in it that if you say mother you could have said this thing in this way or that way so that our small things will be better. Why don't you say in a way that our work will be done? This is not true. Whatever is true will remain true. You only left the shelter of Sahaj yoga. Those who came in Sahaja yoga got success. Those who came in Sahaja Yoga got it. They also helped others to get through it. You got many things and blessings of Shri Lakshmi also and left afterwards and became sick. And started blaming Sahaja Yoga. I told in naval plexus resides Shri Lakshmi and if you do not accept this fact that her strength remains there. You need to have yoga with Lakshmiji then you get many things. You get blessings of Shri Lakshmi. There is a vast difference between Shri Lakshmi and money. This also I told if you do not accept this you will be in loss. This also I told you though she has more water she has to run many chakra. Lakshmi is standing on a lotus flower, one hand is giving another is a blessing. She is born in water so has more water in her body. She is trained to maintain health. She is in balance. There is not much weight in her body. People come to Delhi and complain many things. This is not good, food is not good, management is not good etc. And others go to Bombay do the same thing. So you behave like a thorne to others. If a person is poor he does not show off much.So better to be poor. But as the person is more wealthy, he shows off more and is much artificial. Lakshmi is standing long in lotus she never says she is tired. Lakshmi does not show off. She does not have artificiality in her. She is balancing her body and is light all the time and she is not weighty. The person with lakshmiji is similarly balanced. Such person lives very easily.No body knows when he came and what is he doing and went as it is. A person having Lakshmi twatta is giving to others and protecting the sheltered ones. Never says does not have this or that. Lakshmi has pink colour lotus. Pink colour signifies love. But wealthy show too much artificiality. You can not have any adjustment with twatta. It does not change. If you want to be in twatta you should note it, it will remain as is it, does not change. You need to show honesty. Any one with Lakshmi twatta gives shelter for any person at any time. The rich man will keep 4 or 5 gate keepers and no one is allowed inside. Many say we made big big houses for the poor, we donated money to make temple. We made a temple. To make temple for poor is the work of God. What is the use of temple. Four or five person are kept there. They will collect all money offered eat and go away. There should be Brahmins in temple. Brahmins are not there. To me all seems like thieves and devils, create all dirty bad environment. Brahmins should be Self-realized person, they should be able to go to such Brahmins what are you doing is not right ,doing all necessary things.Otherwise all caste system start here. Brahmin should be one with Brahma twatta flowing from him. Brahmin is borne twice and who has got brahma twatta. For this there should be knowledge of Lakshmi twatta. All religion is flowing from Lakshmi twatta. Mainly there are ten spiritual masters. It is not that there were no other more spiritual masters. But in Sahaja Yoga, we accept ten spiritual masters starting from Adinath, Mahavir, Mohammad, Socrates, Laotse, Gurunanak etc, Whom we accept as partly incarnated. Other who announce themselves as spiritual masters are false ones are devil's, they say, "A child of Brahmin is Brahmin" and create caste systems they spoil lakshmi twatta. People say Ramachandr left his wife the reasons are many. The Lakshmi twatta is spoiled specially by tantric karma. When you use tantric-vidya, bhoota-vidya, preta-vidya. Any tantra-vidya, smasana-vidya, is used. Then the power of Lakshmi goes away. One person came saying his business is not running well, those who used to come also stopped coming in his shop etc. His wife does not work. Then his wife was called. His wife was having a very dirty spirit bhoot in her. Then I asked do you go to Tantrik? She said not to Tantrik but we have one spiritual master. Then I asked what do you do there. The thing she said was horrible. She was told to offer black cloth in pipal tree. Then the business of that man again started flourishing. People started coming in his shop to buy the things. Those who did not come before also started to come. Such person is giving to others and protecting the sheltered ones. Never says does not have this or that. You can not have any adjustment with twatta. It does not change. If you want to be in twatta you should note it, it will remain as is it, does not change. You need to show honesty. Any one any time gets shelter from person any time. Many say we made big big houses for the poor, we donated money to make temple.we made temple.To make temple for poor is the work of God.what is the use of temple. Four or five person are kept there.They will collect all money offered eat and go away.There should be Brahmins in the temple. Brahmins are not there.To Me all seems like Devils, create all dirty bad environment. Brahmins should be self realized person, they should be able to go to such Brahmins what are you doing is not right ,doing all necessary things. Otherwise all caste system starts here. Brahmin should be one with Brahma twatta flowing from him. Brahmin is borne twice and who has got brahma twatta. For this there should be knowledge of Lakshmi twatta. All religion is flowing from Lakshmi twatta. Mainly there are ten spiritual masters. It is not that there were no other more spiritual masters. But in Sahaj yoga we accept ten . Starting from Aadinath,Mahabir, Mohammad, Socrates, Laotse et Gurunanak etc., Whom we accept as partly incarnated. other who announce the self as spiritual masters are devil's, they spoil Lakshmi twatta .People say Ramachandr left his wife the reasons are many. The Lakshmi twatta is spoiled specially by tantric karma. When you use tantric vidya, bhuta vidya, preta vidya. Any tantra vidya masana vidya is used then power of Lakshmi goes away. One person used to come saying my business is not running well, those who used to come also stopped coming etc. His wife does not work. Then his wife was called. His wife was having a very dirty bhut in her. Then I asked do you go to tantrik?She said not to Tantrik but we have one spiritual master.Then I asked what do you do there. The thing she said was horrible, the mastered her to do many things. She was told to offer black things to Pipal tree. Then his business flourished . People started coming to his shop again to buy things. In our country where is more poverty we have to see. I went to Kerala once , people kept dead body where they die. Field was digged just in the surrounding home , they said why to go far? There is difference in their Preta Vidya and masana vidya. Only saints should be digged but not those who wear different clothes and roam around and keeps fasting. Only those who got self realization and got success should be digged and kept in soil. They should never be burned. But the one who has not got success in self realization should be burned.During Burning all their obstacles goes away and environment gets purified.But here anyone is digged. Instead of burning people dig and keep in the home itself. When I went to the village. I saw all smasana. I asked do you all keep corpse in house they said yes it is like this here since two years. Once these people did not allow Aadisankaracharya to burn his mother. Sankaracharya burned his mother with the leaf of banana trees no one gave wood to burn. So Sankaracharya cursed them you will have this. I worked hard and tried to tell them to burn far away and your poverty will go away. Another point is where people are lazy , turn into laziness the poverty comes.The most lazy ones are in Bihar. I used to think the most lazy ones are in lucknow where there is home of my husband. People got up at ten or eleven am . I used to get up at four am . So people in U.P.are also very lazy. Similarly in Bengal. And then now the laziest people are in London. You will not believe that people wash the Jumma to Jumma but these people are more lazy than that. If you wake up them at ten or eleven there is no sin greater than that. They did not wake up before twelve noon. Those who work in office get up and go their office and there only they to the toilet , there is no question of washing face brushing teeth etc. There is no question of taking bath. I told them brush teeth and take bath in the morning . They said mataji you do like this. i said yes i do the same.take bath with cold water you will not get cold and running nose After taking bath with hot water also take bath with cold water.In bengal people sleep again in afternoon from twelve to three. So If you have to buy something you need to buy before noon. They do not open shop till three pm, they eat and sleep the whole day and say they are tired.They do not know that there is another world also. For them, there is only they. So much work was done in Bengal. Deviji did so much . But now a days so much tantrism is there. The lazy people have no work so they go to show their hands to trantrics. Ask for their fate. So tantrism is flourished there.The trantrics tell them your father is going to die and you will get so much money, your such and such person is going to have an accident so you will get such and such money. In such place there is no wealth and prosperity. One should work honestly hard and earn money. When lakshmiji came both sur Devata and asur Devil came and both worked hard and got Lakshmiji. Those who do not work even if Lakshmiji comes there is no use of it. Some people have so much money,they will not give money for work but for their children bye this thing buy that thing, such as clothes ornaments and all.After father dies they take money and start planning in what way the funeral will be done in less money and throw father in sea and do all kinds of entertainment, because they got money without hard work.So they do not honour the money.For outside people much hard work is done. People do not respect Sahaja yoga. You are borne in pious place so your mother gave it easily. In this Bharat bhumi mother is so generous she gives you everything very easily.So you do not respect. In UP the land is in between Ganga and Yamuna and is very fertile.Even if seed is just put the growth is so much so they do not work. So they just come in land and sit whole day. If someone ask they say we just came what to work. Once to a person it was told you will be given a ticket so travel to Luchnow in train, he said who will do hard work to go there. Then I asked what work you need . He says when there will be night one has to spread bed take out quilt who will do all this. Once they were said who is the most laziest come in front, all came except one. Then he was asked why are you sitting in back he replied who will get up and labour and come in front. So they they do Gossiping just talking from here and there. They say such and such person said so for you and domestic quarrel start . This laziness is the main reason for quarrel. Whose mother gives to eat has no work except this.The people of U.P. has so much pride they do not bother about their poverty. There were servant from U.P in our home who were very dirty and some people from Madras came who were neat and clean. I told the servant, now people from Madras will work here and you will be out , otherwise you have to work hard.They told ok let them work hard we will be enjoying.we will be doing . Gossiping is there where you get things easily. But where you need to work hard. They do not bother for that they have fallen down due to laziness. Once you are lazy the Navi stops working. So you should wake up early and start working. After working in house you should work for Sahaja yoga also. Till we have smartness in people the poverty is not going to finish. It will not go away by shouting and crying. To beg is the worst thing . It is better to die with hunger than to beg from other country.. Let every one die with hunger and naked in the country.To beg is the worst thing.In other country what is there except plastics. People ask money from Devi.One person came and called us saying he will show something in his house. Drove a lot more than fifty miles and took us in home, he had a surahi water pot from Muradabad. He said it is very old.In their place brass is sold as gold price, to have cotton was more prestigious. They bought stainless pot to eat. We eat in brass pots.Come in Hindusthan people will feed you so much. We took them to home, they told not to use cement in Ashram. They like wooden homemade by hand..They go on Watching and admiring thatched house the house with roof of hay. What will you learn from them . They have 10 glass made of glass one for wine another for whisky another for water etc. In our house, one glass is used for every thing . Lakshmi pati is one who gives other to eat. If one steals, cheats, kills etc that is not Lakshmi pati. Have satisfaction in that what you have. Who are well. If there is no solution, whatever wealth you have that is of no use. In Punjab if a person is asked how are you they say we are fine but saying it only is of no use. It should come from heart. Giving is the nature of Lakshmi and that is her blessing. Do not be major. If you are a giver no one can steal from you. To have transformation kundalini should be awakened. In Sahaja yoga after Lakshmi is awakened in Nabhi Chakra you feel satisfied and find solutions. Those who get through the spiritual masters the incarnated ones of Bhavasagar and get Guru mantra one gets rid of drugs and alcohols. In higher chakra above this the Shakti resides. People ask money and different kind of worldly things reaching her also. They should ask to be atma the soul, once you become soul everything you get. So you should stand in Sahaja yoga all people to be similar standing with power. When we raised our head in the course of evolution the man was developed. In human-only there is Vishuddhi chakra. Vishuddhi Chakra is of Sri Krishna. Shri Krishna is Purna avatar, full incarnation with full power, the Yogeshwar. one who gets over the Vishuddhi chakra is always in pleasure. He sees everything as a witness as if it is the play or drama. Those who smoke gets cancer. When they came in Sahaja yoga they left smoking and drugs. There were no sahayogi with Shri Krishna.So he thought let me take these Shakti with me and brought in earth. Krishna has sixteenth kala and sixteenth thousand sub plexus. Whose Vishuddhi chakra is good, their face will be very beautiful. Bright shining eyes and good nose. Even angry in one second keeps smiling in another moment. So keep Vishuddhi clear ok. Whose Vishuddhi is bad, the voice is very harse , very slow and no sweetness .On left side of visdusdhi , Vishnu maya the sister of krishna resides, when the relationship between brother and sister is bad or a brother does not care the sister his Vishuddhi chakra becomes bad. Also when we have a bad feeling towards other women also our Vishuddhi gets bad.He gets guilty feeling and due to guilt commits many sins. So the mantra for Vishudha is I am not guilty. We are in God's abode , in sahaja yoga with the God. On right side of Vishuddhi there is kingdom of Shri Krishna with Rukmini. Who asks money from people showing his condition with the hope to get pity, or bows in front of wrong person ,touches feet of people his right Vishuddhi is spoiled and gets cancer. Suppose one is Sadhu saint then also do not bow as he is just human being, not God or Incarnation. Bow your head and touch feet only in front of incarnation. It is different thing to bow in front of parents and in marriage you touch elder's feet and bow down on them once and leave as rituals of day. Some people sees Minister and and four or five person following him and go behind flattering spoil their vishuddhi and become so miserable and come to me. I am tired of treating these people. When God has made you so great from Omeba to man you should honour your self and live honoured life.Many people gets afraid.When you are afraid then also left vishuddhi is caught. Even if you are realized, you loose vibration especially in hands. The main thing is that those who chant different mantras they also get cancer, if wrong mantra is taken from wrong spiritual master then also Vishuddhi is caught. You should awakened that mantra and only chant. In Sahaja yoga, mantra are awakened, if a sahayogi examines you and gives right mantra that corrects your chakra you can chant. Many people have done mantra siddhi. To have mantra siddhi, one should sit , chant and meditate on chakra. I am surprised to see many people have done siddhi in mantra in a very short time in Sahaja yoga . There are very few in Delhi.They do wonder even by getting siddhi of one mantra. And I wonder seeing them. If someone does siddhi in mantra of Ganesh he can do miracle. Krishna is Virata. All the evolutionary work is done by strength of Vishnu. Krishna the incarnation of Vishnu becomes Virat in the end. If right Vishuddhi is spoiled one gets cancer If you are in middle in sushma, there will be no disease.You should bow down only in front of Virata. The main point of getting vishuddhi spoiled is bowing and touching feet of others. Mohammad Saheb told Allah ho Akbar to Virata. Mohammad Saheb is sakcchyat incarnation of Adi Guru Dattatreya. Best thing is to chant Allah ho Akbar sixteen times closing both the earholes with the index fingers of both hands turning head back and the face up to sky. Another thing is do not use any bad words to others neither do flattering to others. If some one does not like Sahaja yoga tell it is ok you can leave it. There is no need t odo flattering to them and going behind to be in sahaja yoga. krishna gave birth to sixteen thousand ( kala) virtues, who became his strength ,to them he brought in the world, they were stolen by a devil he fought with devil, won and brought back them and married them. Isha Masiha has two aspects.When Isha Masiha talked about his father he was Sri Krishna. Isha showed two fingers, the index finger of Vishuddhi and middle finger of Navi indicating his father Sri Krishna the incarnation of Vishnu. During Krishna Incarnation his wife Rukmini gave birth to first son who became Isha this time and his mother Mary was Radha before. Isha Masiha was Ganesh himself. Shri Krishna afterwards became Ekadash Rudra. Isha is only Pranaba the Omkar it self. He was put to cross because he had to open agnya chakra that is between pituatory and pineal gland.Because of the power of Pranab only Isha did not die in cross but resurrected .The main teaching of Isha is resurrection . He was forgiving all the time. When you come in heart of mother, she gives you birth from Sahashar. In Sahajayoga God's prayer opens agnya chakra. In the back agnya there is Maha ganesha. Shri Krishna kept his son in between the vishuddhi chakra and Virat. Because of ego only they tortured Isha. Isha told I forgive those who tortured me but now on wards no one can talk against mother. I will not leave them who goes against the mother. He also said clearly the punishment will be great. The Aadi shakti who will be born as holi ghost. In Foreign country, people respect me as holy ghost because no one got cool breeze before but in front of me which was written even in Bible Holi ghost William Blake a writer of hundred years ago forecasted my birth, he names the place in London the Sere hill where I was residing. He also wrote the name of Lambethvalle where our ashram will be built. He also wrote in Adi Shakti will be coming and there will be a prophet and they will also make others prophet. In Bible also it is written in John revelation the shakti will be coming and Cool breeze will flow from her.Those who get through Sahajayoga will understand and feel it otherwise difficult to feel. So all of you get through it. So you also get through in Sahaja yoga. Which day is your centre here? Those who don't come center in Sunday are not my people.All are like brothers. Meet each other talk nice things, the older one will tell which of your Chakra is cought and it's treatment also. One person Pradhanji is here, he is very good a man of more than sixtyfive years old. His grandson died and people started telling him what your mother did? She did nothing for your grandson.She did not save your grand son. Then re replied his father never used to come centre so he also did not come centre.If he dies though he is very loved one of me, mother has not taken guaranty of giving life to him.

Twatta ki baat Day 2, New Delhi, India 16-02-1981 [English translation from Hindi] I have praised about you. But the truth is that we need to know what is a fact. We also have not less ego. We get ego for useless things, though you say that mother being with you also we have done much foolishness. Ego is much now we have your shelter we had accepted truth was there, and will remain in truth. We accepted highest philosophy of truth and will accept also. You cannot compromise in it that if you say mother you could have said this thing in this way or that way so that our small things will be better. Why don't you say in a way that our work will be done? This is not true. Whatever is true will remain true. You only left the shelter of Sahaj yoga. Those who came in Sahaja yoga got success. Those who came in Sahaja Yoga got it. They also helped others to get through it. You got many things and blessings of Shri Lakshmi also and left afterwards and became sick. And started blaming Sahaja Yoga. I told in naval plexus resides Shri Lakshmi and if you do not accept this fact that her strength remains there. You need to have yoga with Lakshmiji then you get many things. You get blessings of Shri Lakshmi. There is a vast difference between Shri Lakshmi and money. This also I told if you do not accept this you will be in loss. This also I told you though she has more water she has to run many chakra. Lakshmi is standing on a lotus flower, one hand is giving another is a blessing. She is born in water so has more water in her body. She is trained to maintain health. She is in balance. There is not much weight in her body. People come to Delhi and complain many things. This is not good, food is not good, management is not good etc. And others go to Bombay do the same thing. So you behave like a thorne to others. If a person is poor he does not show off much.So better to be poor. But as the person is more wealthy, he shows off more and is much artificial. Lakshmi is standing long in lotus she never says she is tired. Lakshmi does not show off. She does not have artificiality in her. She is balancing her body and is light all the time and she is not weighty. The person with lakshmiji is similarly balanced. Such person lives very easily.No body knows when he came and what is he doing and went as it is. A person having Lakshmi twatta is giving to others and protecting the sheltered ones. Never says does not have this or that. Lakshmi has pink colour lotus. Pink colour signifies love. But wealthy show too much artificiality. You can not have any adjustment with twatta. It does not change. If you want to be in twatta you should note it, it will remain as is it, does not change. You need to show honesty. Any one with Lakshmi twatta gives shelter for any person at any time. The rich man will keep 4 or 5 gate keepers and no one is allowed inside. Many say we made big big houses for the poor, we donated money to make temple. We made a temple. To make temple for poor is the work of God. What is the use of temple. Four or five person are kept there. They will collect all money offered eat and go away. There should be Brahmins in temple. Brahmins are not there. To me all seems like thieves and devils, create all dirty bad environment. Brahmins should be Self-realized person, they should be able to go to such Brahmins what are you doing is not right ,doing all necessary things.Otherwise all caste system start here. Brahmin should be one with Brahma twatta flowing from him. Brahmin is borne twice and who has got brahma twatta. For this there should be knowledge of Lakshmi twatta. All religion is flowing from Lakshmi twatta. Mainly there are ten spiritual masters. It is not that there were no other more spiritual masters. But in Sahaja Yoga, we accept ten spiritual masters starting from Adinath, Mahavir, Mohammad, Socrates, Laotse, Gurunanak etc, Whom we accept as partly incarnated. Other who announce themselves as spiritual masters are false ones are devil's, they say, "A child of Brahmin is Brahmin" and create caste systems they spoil lakshmi twatta. People say Ramachandr left his wife the reasons are many. The Lakshmi twatta is spoiled specially by tantric karma. When you use tantric-vidya, bhoota-vidya, preta-vidya. Any tantra-vidya, smasana-vidya, is used. Then the power of Lakshmi goes away. One person came saying his business is not running well, those who used to come also stopped coming in his shop etc. His wife does not work. Then his wife was called. His wife was having a very dirty spirit bhoot in her. Then I asked do you go to Tantrik? She said not to Tantrik but we have one spiritual master. Then I asked what do you do there. The thing she said was horrible. She was told to offer black cloth in pipal tree. Then the business of that man again started flourishing. People started coming in his shop to buy the things. Those who did not come before also started to come. Such person is giving to others and protecting the sheltered ones. Never says does not have this or that. You can not have any adjustment with twatta. It does not change. If you want to be in twatta you should note it, it will remain as is it, does not change. You need to show honesty. Any one any time gets shelter from person any time. Many say we made big big houses for the poor, we donated money to make temple.we made temple.To make temple for poor is the work of God.what is the use of temple. Four or five person are kept there.They will collect all money offered eat and go away.There should be Brahmins in the temple. Brahmins are not there.To Me all seems like Devils, create all dirty bad environment. Brahmins should be self realized person, they should be able to go to such Brahmins what are you doing is not right ,doing all necessary things. Otherwise all caste system starts here. Brahmin should be one with Brahma twatta flowing from him. Brahmin is borne twice and who has got brahma twatta. For this there should be knowledge of Lakshmi twatta. All religion is flowing from Lakshmi twatta. Mainly there are ten spiritual masters. It is not that there were no other more spiritual masters. But in Sahaj yoga we accept ten . Starting from Aadinath,Mahabir, Mohammad, Socrates, Laotse et Gurunanak etc., Whom we accept as partly incarnated. other who announce the self as spiritual masters are devil's, they spoil Lakshmi twatta .People say Ramachandr left his wife the reasons are many. The Lakshmi twatta is spoiled specially by tantric karma. When you use tantric vidya, bhuta vidya, preta vidya. Any tantra vidya masana vidya is used then power of Lakshmi goes away. One person used to come saying my business is not running well, those who used to come also stopped coming etc. His wife does not work. Then his wife was called. His wife was having a very dirty bhut in her. Then I asked do you go to tantrik?She said not to Tantrik but we have one spiritual master.Then I asked what do you do there. The thing she said was horrible, the mastered her to do many things. She was told to offer black things to Pipal tree. Then his business flourished . People started coming to his shop again to buy things. In our country where is more poverty we have to see. I went to Kerala once , people kept dead body where they die. Field was digged just in the surrounding home , they said why to go far? There is difference in their Preta Vidya and masana vidya. Only saints should be digged but not those who wear different clothes and roam around and keeps fasting. Only those who got self realization and got success should be digged and kept in soil. They should never be burned. But the one who has not got success in self realization should be burned.During Burning all their obstacles goes away and environment gets purified.But here anyone is digged. Instead of burning people dig and keep in the home itself. When I went to the village. I saw all smasana. I asked do you all keep corpse in house they said yes it is like this here since two years. Once these people did not allow Aadisankaracharya to burn his mother. Sankaracharya burned his mother with the leaf of banana trees no one gave wood to burn. So Sankaracharya cursed them you will have this. I worked hard and tried to tell them to burn far away and your poverty will go away. Another point is where people are lazy , turn into laziness the poverty comes.The most lazy ones are in Bihar. I used to think the most lazy ones are in lucknow where there is home of my husband. People got up at ten or eleven am . I used to get up at four am . So people in U.P.are also very lazy. Similarly in Bengal. And then now the laziest people are in London. You will not believe that people wash the Jumma to Jumma but these people are more lazy than that. If you wake up them at ten or eleven there is no sin greater than that. They did not wake up before twelve noon. Those who work in office get up and go their office and there only they to the toilet , there is no question of washing face brushing teeth etc. There is no question of taking bath. I told them brush teeth and take bath in the morning . They said mataji you do like this. i said yes i do the same.take bath with cold water you will not get cold and running nose After taking bath with hot water also take bath with cold water.In bengal people sleep again in afternoon from twelve to three. So If you have to buy something you need to buy before noon. They do not open shop till three pm, they eat and sleep the whole day and say they are tired.They do not know that there is another world also. For them, there is only they. So much work was done in Bengal. Deviji did so much . But now a days so much tantrism is there. The lazy people have no work so they go to show their hands to trantrics. Ask for their fate. So tantrism is flourished there.The trantrics tell them your father is going to die and you will get so much money, your such and such person is going to have an accident so you will get such and such money. In such place there is no wealth and prosperity. One should work honestly hard and earn money. When lakshmiji came both sur Devata and asur Devil came and both worked hard and got Lakshmiji. Those who do not work even if Lakshmiji comes there is no use of it. Some people have so much money,they will not give money for work but for their children bye this thing buy that thing, such as clothes ornaments and all.After father dies they take money and start planning in what way the funeral will be done in less money and throw father in sea and do all kinds of entertainment, because they got money without hard work.So they do not honour the money.For outside people much hard work is done. People do not respect Sahaja yoga. You are borne in pious place so your mother gave it easily. In this Bharat bhumi mother is so generous she gives you everything very easily.So you do not respect. In UP the land is in between Ganga and Yamuna and is very fertile.Even if seed is just put the growth is so much so they do not work. So they just come in land and sit whole day. If someone ask they say we just came what to work. Once to a person it was told you will be given a ticket so travel to Luchnow in train, he said who will do hard work to go there. Then I asked what work you need . He says when there will be night one has to spread bed take out quilt who will do all this. Once they were said who is the most laziest come in front, all came except one. Then he was asked why are you sitting in back he replied who will get up and labour and come in front. So they they do Gossiping just talking from here and there. They say such and such person said so for you and domestic quarrel start . This laziness is the main reason for quarrel. Whose mother gives to eat has no work except this.The people of U.P. has so much pride they do not bother about their poverty. There were servant from U.P in our home who were very dirty and some people from Madras came who were neat and clean. I told the servant, now people from Madras will work here and you will be out , otherwise you have to work hard.They told ok let them work hard we will be enjoying.we will be doing . Gossiping is there where you get things easily. But where you need to work hard. They do not bother for that they have fallen down due to laziness. Once you are lazy the Navi stops working. So you should wake up early and start working. After working in house you should work for Sahaja yoga also. Till we have smartness in people the poverty is not going to finish. It will not go away by shouting and crying. To beg is the worst thing . It is better to die with hunger than to beg from other country.. Let every one die with hunger and naked in the country.To beg is the worst thing.In other country what is there except plastics. People ask money from Devi.One person came and called us saying he will show something in his house. Drove a lot more than fifty miles and took us in home, he had a surahi water pot from Muradabad. He said it is very old.In their place brass is sold as gold price, to have cotton was more prestigious. They bought stainless pot to eat. We eat in brass pots.Come in Hindusthan people will feed you so much. We took them to home, they told not to use cement in Ashram. They like wooden homemade by hand..They go on Watching and admiring thatched house the house with roof of hay. What will you learn from them . They have 10 glass made of glass one for wine another for whisky another for water etc. In our house, one glass is used for every thing . Lakshmi pati is one who gives other to eat. If one steals, cheats, kills etc that is not Lakshmi pati. Have satisfaction in that what you have. Who are well. If there is no solution, whatever wealth you have that is of no use. In Punjab if a person is asked how are you they say we are fine but saying it only is of no use. It should come from heart. Giving is the nature of Lakshmi and that is her blessing. Do not be major. If you are a giver no one can steal from you. To have transformation kundalini should be awakened. In Sahaja yoga after Lakshmi is awakened in Nabhi Chakra you feel satisfied and find solutions. Those who get through the spiritual masters the incarnated ones of Bhavasagar and get Guru mantra one gets rid of drugs and alcohols. In higher chakra above this the Shakti resides. People ask money and different kind of worldly things reaching her also. They should ask to be atma the soul, once you become soul everything you get. So you should stand in Sahaja yoga all people to be similar standing with power. When we raised our head in the course of evolution the man was developed. In human-only there is Vishuddhi chakra. Vishuddhi Chakra is of Sri Krishna. Shri Krishna is Purna avatar, full incarnation with full power, the Yogeshwar. one who gets over the Vishuddhi chakra is always in pleasure. He sees everything as a witness as if it is the play or drama. Those who smoke gets cancer. When they came in Sahaja yoga they left smoking and drugs. There were no sahayogi with Shri Krishna.So he thought let me take these Shakti with me and brought in earth. Krishna has sixteenth kala and sixteenth thousand sub plexus. Whose Vishuddhi chakra is good, their face will be very beautiful. Bright shining eyes and good nose. Even angry in one second keeps smiling in another moment. So keep Vishuddhi clear ok. Whose Vishuddhi is bad, the voice is very harse , very slow and no sweetness .On left side of visdusdhi , Vishnu maya the sister of krishna resides, when the relationship between brother and sister is bad or a brother does not care the sister his Vishuddhi chakra becomes bad. Also when we have a bad feeling towards other women also our Vishuddhi gets bad.He gets guilty feeling and due to guilt commits many sins. So the mantra for Vishudha is I am not guilty. We are in God's abode , in sahaja yoga with the God. On right side of Vishuddhi there is kingdom of Shri Krishna with Rukmini. Who asks money from people showing his condition with the hope to get pity, or bows in front of wrong person ,touches feet of people his right Vishuddhi is spoiled and gets cancer. Suppose one is Sadhu saint then also do not bow as he is just human being, not God or Incarnation. Bow your head and touch feet only in front of incarnation. It is different thing to bow in front of parents and in marriage you touch elder's feet and bow down on them once and leave as rituals of day. Some people sees Minister and and four or five person following him and go behind flattering spoil their vishuddhi and become so miserable and come to me. I am tired of treating these people. When God has made you so great from Omeba to man you should honour your self and live honoured life.Many people gets afraid.When you are afraid then also left vishuddhi is caught. Even if you are realized, you loose vibration especially in hands. The main thing is that those who chant different mantras they also get cancer, if wrong mantra is taken from wrong spiritual master then also Vishuddhi is caught. You should awakened that mantra and only chant. In Sahaja yoga, mantra are awakened, if a sahayogi examines you and gives right mantra that corrects your chakra you can chant. Many people have done mantra siddhi. To have mantra siddhi, one should sit , chant and meditate on chakra. I am surprised to see many people have done siddhi in mantra in a very short time in Sahaja yoga . There are very few in Delhi.They do wonder even by getting siddhi of one mantra. And I wonder seeing them. If someone does siddhi in mantra of Ganesh he can do miracle. Krishna is Virata. All the evolutionary work is done by strength of Vishnu. Krishna the incarnation of Vishnu becomes Virat in the end. If right Vishuddhi is spoiled one gets cancer If you are in middle in sushma, there will be no disease.You should bow down only in front of Virata. The main point of getting vishuddhi spoiled is bowing and touching feet of others. Mohammad Saheb told Allah ho Akbar to Virata. Mohammad Saheb is sakcchyat incarnation of Adi Guru Dattatreya. Best thing is to chant Allah ho Akbar sixteen times closing both the earholes with the index fingers of both hands turning head back and the face up to sky. Another thing is do not use any bad words to others neither do flattering to others. If some one does not like Sahaja yoga tell it is ok you can leave it. There is no need t odo flattering to them and going behind to be in sahaja yoga. krishna gave birth to sixteen thousand ( kala) virtues, who became his strength ,to them he brought in the world, they were stolen by a devil he fought with devil, won and brought back them and married them. Isha Masiha has two aspects.When Isha Masiha talked about his father he was Sri Krishna. Isha showed two fingers, the index finger of Vishuddhi and middle finger of Navi indicating his father Sri Krishna the incarnation of Vishnu. During Krishna Incarnation his wife Rukmini gave birth to first son who became Isha this time and his mother Mary was Radha before. Isha Masiha was Ganesh himself. Shri Krishna afterwards became Ekadash Rudra. Isha is only Pranaba the Omkar it self. He was put to cross because he had to open agnya chakra that is between pituatory and pineal gland.Because of the power of Pranab only Isha did not die in cross but resurrected .The main teaching of Isha is resurrection . He was forgiving all the time. When you come in heart of mother, she gives you birth from Sahashar. In Sahajayoga God's prayer opens agnya chakra. In the back agnya there is Maha ganesha. Shri Krishna kept his son in between the vishuddhi chakra and Virat. Because of ego only they tortured Isha. Isha told I forgive those who tortured me but now on wards no one can talk against mother. I will not leave them who goes against the mother. He also said clearly the punishment will be great. The Aadi shakti who will be born as holi ghost. In Foreign country, people respect me as holy ghost because no one got cool breeze before but in front of me which was written even in Bible Holi ghost William Blake a writer of hundred years ago forecasted my birth, he names the place in London the Sere hill where I was residing. He also wrote the name of Lambethvalle where our ashram will be built. He also wrote in Adi Shakti will be coming and there will be a prophet and they will also make others prophet. In Bible also it is written in John revelation the shakti will be coming and Cool breeze will flow from her.Those who get through Sahajayoga will understand and feel it otherwise difficult to feel. So all of you get through it. So you also get through in Sahaja yoga. Which day is your centre here? Those who don't come center in Sunday are not my people.All are like brothers. Meet each other talk nice things, the older one will tell which of your Chakra is cought and it's treatment also. One person Pradhanji is here, he is very good a man of more than sixtyfive years old. His grandson died and people started telling him what your mother did? She did nothing for your grandson.She did not save your grand son. Then re replied his father never used to come centre so he also did not come centre.If he dies though he is very loved one of me, mother has not taken guaranty of giving life to him.

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Public Program. Lakshmi Narayan temple, New Delhi (India), 18 February 1981. Press the button and the light will start coming. If I tell you what is its history and how it came into being, what is this electricity, then you will get a headache specially...(UNCLEAR WORD). If you are ready to break your heads, I am even ready to do that. If you want to discuss your intellect, let's do that. I know that also, but you won't be able to find God. I have to ask you, we have read and debated a lot but you do want to find Him or not. Ofcourse you did a lot, you reached as far as your intellect could guide you, now think of yourself, and think of the meaning of yourself, you would think Wah! Wah! What miracle Shri Mataji has done, She has raised it. Do you have to follow it or not, first decide that because we have big pundits and intellectuals otherwise I can also unlayer their intellectual conditionings? (This is influence; literally Mother said "that She could take of their (intellectuals) peepal leaves.), but I do not have time for these sort of people (Mother is referring to intellectuals). Those who want, they should acquire their own powers in a humble and totally dedicated manner, because the secret of the secrets has never been told until now. You will be told everything, but before that you must get your self realization, otherwise it will be like ......"you don't have the eye-sight and I am telling you which one is red colour and which one is green. You get the self-realization, once you start seeing, then I will tell you everything, which colour is this and which colour is that. Please seek it with humbleness and faith, but faith does not mean blind faith, you have to seek a very big think from me, but if you are sitting on the road, then Gods also see you and you must know that they know everything about you. There (means in God's world) you cannot get self-realization. Keep in mind even while giving the lecture I am playing my game, because I am Mahamaya. I say some things like that, that is someone has to get stuck, then they are just stucked, but please don't fall into these games, get self realization, these are all dramas/games. Those who have studied and read a lot, and are very egoistical, I get them stucked for sometime and they are left handing in there, When their ego goes down they come around. So you tell your ego, Mr a lot had been done for you, but now you stay put and let us get self realization and self realization only is "the ultimate". That's the duty, that is the aim, that only should be in your attention, that's everything and that's our goal, until you get your self realization, your life has no meaning. (PREVIOUS SENTENCE UNCLEAR) Today is the last day, so if you have any questions, please do ask, but I am very clever and very smart, so please be careful. Please ask, 5minutes or more, ask ask, and please stand up, what is it. What gift have you got, what have you brought? [QUESTION ASKED FROM THE CROWD.] Mother's answer - Son, I don't eat paan. OK I will take green cardamom. [QUESTION ASKED FROM THE CROWD.] Mother's answer - These people disgraced me. There was one lady who had come to interview me and she said, "Mother was eating a lot of paan. So I said, " I don't eat in this birth, but I do not know in which birth of mine did you see." She wrote, "Shri Mataji was eating a lot of paans." But I don't even touch them. Yes, previous birth, no the birth previous to that I used to take them. Then I asked her, "Which birth of mine did you see. How could you see I was eating paan, when I don't even eat it." These are dramas, so please be careful. [Yes, previous birth, and no the birth previous to that I used to take them, then I asked her which birth of Mine did you see. How could you see I was eating paan, when I don't even eat it. These are dramas, so please be careful.] (TRANSCRIBERS NOTE: Paan - It is a betel leaf covered with some paste, betel nut pieces, tobacco and rose jam. It is eaten widely in India. It is a major cause of mouth and throat cancer in middle part of India. However, Goddess Chandika who is the destroyer of demons is offered paan by her devotees, traditionally [QUESTION ASKED FROM THE CROWD.] Mother's answer - What question do you have? What son.. No no no no no, not all these things, you cannot take alcohol. I will not tell everything now, otherwise half of the crowd will run away. Nothing first get your self realization. If I tell you not to take alcohol, half the crowd will run away and if I say don't take cigarettes, probably everyone will run away. If I tell the ladies, don't talk, they will all get up and walk away. I am not going to say anything. I have understood a lot now. But the issue of vegetarism is not in sahaj, but please make the issue of eating is less important. In our country from morning till evening we think of food and nothing else. We think we will find God by eating. The kind of understanding we have about food, the rest of the world hasn't got it. You will be surprised I had gone to Japan and the people of Japan are................ (UNCERTAIN of word). I was surprised that a boy was sitting near a spring and was eating his food and I asked, "What are you eating? He replied that there are small fishes in the water, I catch then break them and eat them." Then I asked him if he eats them uncooked and he replied yes, everybody eats like that. I thought they take these poor creatures out of the water and eat them. Whereas at our place (Mother refers to India) there is no dearth of tantrums, eating is the prime most thing. The first thing in the day is what is to be cooked, i.e. Indian mentality understands this. Then the women started the drama that "today I am cooking this for you." If the lady is a Punjabi, she will say, "I am cooking sarson-ka-saag." (SPINACH COOKED WITH SPICES, A DELICACY EATING DURING WINTERS). Some of the women are very clever here; they keep their men wrapped into these games. These men do not know how to cook, so they can't leave their wives, even if they hit them. Mother laughs. Now she's playing the game, that I am cooking this dish, ok, if they are from Uttar Pradesh (UP) then methi aloo.......... (uncertain of words) will be cooked. There are really small potatoes, which I have bought then will cook them. The men who are supposed to leave wok by 6.00 pm reach home by 5.00 pm.(crowd laughs).The whole day we spend thinking what did we eat today and what we ate the previous day and what's going to happen to that food. Now it is fasting, the whole house is in chaos because the grandmother is fasting today. A big storm in the house, like Shri Hanumanji has arrived.......... (uncertain of words). No body can go near the grandmother today. She could throw anything on anyone and hit someone just because she is fasting. What's the point of fasting is she (grandmother) the God today. The desire of fasting is so prevalent in our country but nothing is achieved our of fasting, every time the thought is "what do I eat while fasting" all thoughts are around what we eat today. There is no other thought. Fasting is just for namesake, it is an excuse. To think if I am going to eat some delicious food today, like buckwheat flour, trying to find if buckwheat flour is available today or not, everybody is worried, if buckwheat is available. The fasting was created because by eating some kind of food, there's no balance. Therefore the food should be balanced. Now about vegetarism, in our country, we have plenty of fruits and vegetables, so we should eat plenty of fruits and vegetables. This is a warm tropical country; other foods generate heat in our body. So we must eat more of this. But in vegetarism there are many people who do not eat garlic and onion. If you show them garlic, they will just run away, but if you want to scare someone, first show them garlic, so scared of garlic. Now a German Doctor has told that you don't eat garlic and onion, you can get heart attack. Arteries in the heart get hardened just like as in alcoholism. If you drink alcohol, your heart will have some conditions, as you don't eat onion and garlic. Now we have a lot of people here who are staunch vegetarians. Now there is someone who visits us, listen to her description. It is her condition that nobody can serve her milk with a think film of cream settled on the surface. What will you do? She would drink it. Who are you? Nobody can serve her with garlic, whatever suits you, and you should eat. What you eat or drink is not important. I don't remember what I ate in morning or evening. I don't want to know even I hadn't eaten for 4 days is someone gave me food or not. It's not for God. Food has to be balanced.

Public Program. Lakshmi Narayan temple, New Delhi (India), 18 February 1981. Press the button and the light will start coming. If I tell you what is its history and how it came into being, what is this electricity, then you will get a headache specially...(UNCLEAR WORD). If you are ready to break your heads, I am even ready to do that. If you want to discuss your intellect, let's do that. I know that also, but you won't be able to find God. I have to ask you, we have read and debated a lot but you do want to find Him or not. Ofcourse you did a lot, you reached as far as your intellect could guide you, now think of yourself, and think of the meaning of yourself, you would think Wah! Wah! What miracle Shri Mataji has done, She has raised it. Do you have to follow it or not, first decide that because we have big pundits and intellectuals otherwise I can also unlayer their intellectual conditionings? (This is influence; literally Mother said "that She could take of their (intellectuals) peepal leaves.), but I do not have time for these sort of people (Mother is referring to intellectuals). Those who want, they should acquire their own powers in a humble and totally dedicated manner, because the secret of the secrets has never been told until now. You will be told everything, but before that you must get your self realization, otherwise it will be like ......"you don't have the eye-sight and I am telling you which one is red colour and which one is green. You get the self-realization, once you start seeing, then I will tell you everything, which colour is this and which colour is that. Please seek it with humbleness and faith, but faith does not mean blind faith, you have to seek a very big think from me, but if you are sitting on the road, then Gods also see you and you must know that they know everything about you. There (means in God's world) you cannot get self-realization. Keep in mind even while giving the lecture I am playing my game, because I am Mahamaya. I say some things like that, that is someone has to get stuck, then they are just stucked, but please don't fall into these games, get self realization, these are all dramas/games. Those who have studied and read a lot, and are very egoistical, I get them stucked for sometime and they are left handing in there, When their ego goes down they come around. So you tell your ego, Mr a lot had been done for you, but now you stay put and let us get self realization and self realization only is "the ultimate". That's the duty, that is the aim, that only should be in your attention, that's everything and that's our goal, until you get your self realization, your life has no meaning. (PREVIOUS SENTENCE UNCLEAR) Today is the last day, so if you have any questions, please do ask, but I am very clever and very smart, so please be careful. Please ask, 5minutes or more, ask ask, and please stand up, what is it. What gift have you got, what have you brought? [QUESTION ASKED FROM THE CROWD.] Mother's answer - Son, I don't eat paan. OK I will take green cardamom. [QUESTION ASKED FROM THE CROWD.] Mother's answer - These people disgraced me. There was one lady who had come to interview me and she said, "Mother was eating a lot of paan. So I said, " I don't eat in this birth, but I do not know in which birth of mine did you see." She wrote, "Shri Mataji was eating a lot of paans." But I don't even touch them. Yes, previous birth, no the birth previous to that I used to take them. Then I asked her, "Which birth of mine did you see. How could you see I was eating paan, when I don't even eat it." These are dramas, so please be careful. [Yes, previous birth, and no the birth previous to that I used to take them, then I asked her which birth of Mine did you see. How could you see I was eating paan, when I don't even eat it. These are dramas, so please be careful.] (TRANSCRIBERS NOTE: Paan - It is a betel leaf covered with some paste, betel nut pieces, tobacco and rose jam. It is eaten widely in India. It is a major cause of mouth and throat cancer in middle part of India. However, Goddess Chandika who is the destroyer of demons is offered paan by her devotees, traditionally [QUESTION ASKED FROM THE CROWD.] Mother's answer - What question do you have? What son.. No no no no no, not all these things, you cannot take alcohol. I will not tell everything now, otherwise half of the crowd will run away. Nothing first get your self realization. If I tell you not to take alcohol, half the crowd will run away and if I say don't take cigarettes, probably everyone will run away. If I tell the ladies, don't talk, they will all get up and walk away. I am not going to say anything. I have understood a lot now. But the issue of vegetarism is not in sahaj, but please make the issue of eating is less important. In our country from morning till evening we think of food and nothing else. We think we will find God by eating. The kind of understanding we have about food, the rest of the world hasn't got it. You will be surprised I had gone to Japan and the people of Japan are................ (UNCERTAIN of word). I was surprised that a boy was sitting near a spring and was eating his food and I asked, "What are you eating? He replied that there are small fishes in the water, I catch then break them and eat them." Then I asked him if he eats them uncooked and he replied yes, everybody eats like that. I thought they take these poor creatures out of the water and eat them. Whereas at our place (Mother refers to India) there is no dearth of tantrums, eating is the prime most thing. The first thing in the day is what is to be cooked, i.e. Indian mentality understands this. Then the women started the drama that "today I am cooking this for you." If the lady is a Punjabi, she will say, "I am cooking sarson-ka-saag." (SPINACH COOKED WITH SPICES, A DELICACY EATING DURING WINTERS). Some of the women are very clever here; they keep their men wrapped into these games. These men do not know how to cook, so they can't leave their wives, even if they hit them. Mother laughs. Now she's playing the game, that I am cooking this dish, ok, if they are from Uttar Pradesh (UP) then methi aloo.......... (uncertain of words) will be cooked. There are really small potatoes, which I have bought then will cook them. The men who are supposed to leave wok by 6.00 pm reach home by 5.00 pm.(crowd laughs).The whole day we spend thinking what did we eat today and what we ate the previous day and what's going to happen to that food. Now it is fasting, the whole house is in chaos because the grandmother is fasting today. A big storm in the house, like Shri Hanumanji has arrived.......... (uncertain of words). No body can go near the grandmother today. She could throw anything on anyone and hit someone just because she is fasting. What's the point of fasting is she (grandmother) the God today. The desire of fasting is so prevalent in our country but nothing is achieved our of fasting, every time the thought is "what do I eat while fasting" all thoughts are around what we eat today. There is no other thought. Fasting is just for namesake, it is an excuse. To think if I am going to eat some delicious food today, like buckwheat flour, trying to find if buckwheat flour is available today or not, everybody is worried, if buckwheat is available. The fasting was created because by eating some kind of food, there's no balance. Therefore the food should be balanced. Now about vegetarism, in our country, we have plenty of fruits and vegetables, so we should eat plenty of fruits and vegetables. This is a warm tropical country; other foods generate heat in our body. So we must eat more of this. But in vegetarism there are many people who do not eat garlic and onion. If you show them garlic, they will just run away, but if you want to scare someone, first show them garlic, so scared of garlic. Now a German Doctor has told that you don't eat garlic and onion, you can get heart attack. Arteries in the heart get hardened just like as in alcoholism. If you drink alcohol, your heart will have some conditions, as you don't eat onion and garlic. Now we have a lot of people here who are staunch vegetarians. Now there is someone who visits us, listen to her description. It is her condition that nobody can serve her milk with a think film of cream settled on the surface. What will you do? She would drink it. Who are you? Nobody can serve her with garlic, whatever suits you, and you should eat. What you eat or drink is not important. I don't remember what I ate in morning or evening. I don't want to know even I hadn't eaten for 4 days is someone gave me food or not. It's not for God. Food has to be balanced.

3/11/1981

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"The Power of Brahma", Public Program, Delhi (India), 11 March 1981. I have told you, the other day that these vibrations are nothing but the Brahmashakti , the power of Brahma. The power of Brahma is the power that creates, .that desires, that evolves and it gives the living force also. It is the power which is giving us the living force. Now, it is not easy to understand what is a dead force and what is a living force. Living force is very simple to understand. An animal, say a little worm, is a living force. It can turn itself the way it likes. It can save itself from danger. It may be a small little thing, but because it is living it can save itself. But something which is dead cannot move by itself. So, the "Self" part does not remain in it, as far as it is concerned. Now, being a living force we should try to find out, "Are we going to be the living force or the dead one". Now, when we live in the world, we start thinking about our comforts; where we have to live, what we have to do. When we think of all these things, you see, we are thinking of the dead. But when we think of having a place or a house or an Ashram from the angle that you Will be doing some living work, then you are giving life to that place. That atmosphere should be created from all that is dead-to create the living force. Now, this is very very subtle thing, which very few people understand, for example, somebody brings me a photograph of Shri Ganesh and says, "Should I worship this Shri Ganesh's photograph or not". First of all we should sea if vibrations are coming from it or not. Supposing you take a house You must see that the house is giving good vibrations. We see the comfort, we see other things. We might even see if it is good for other people to come in or not, but we do not see the house from vibrations point of view. For anything that we do, we have, now, to think in terms of vibratory awareness which means awareness that is working upon living things. As in the, say, a cell at the tip of a the root of a tree is a living thing. Of course, it does not think, it is guided by the living force itself. So, it knows how to move with the living force, to live with it and how to understand the plan of the living force to get along with it and how to merge with it. But, we human beings have got the freedom to decide. Now, once you are realized, you have got that living force within you. This is the living force you feel. So, you have to know how to use this living force to keep your body, mind, ego, superego and everything in the enlightened state, by understanding the planning of the living force. It gives you all the ideas regarding most of the problems. For example, here in this country and specially in Delhi, I find that you catch on the left Nabhi, also right Swadishthana and then on the Heart and also on your Agnya. These are the Chakras which deal with our being. So, let us try from the left side. What happens ? On the left side the problem starts from left swadhishthna, because that is the first Chakra that starts emitting the negativity within us. Now, left Swadishthana is actually under control only of Shri Ganesh because Shri Ganesh is the beginning of life and also the link between the life and the death. So Ganesh is one who gives the balance, the "Vivek" the understanding to you by which you know how far to go with things. Now, when left Swathishthana catches, you start going to other people who promise you such things, like "I will give you this and that, this will happen, that will happen to you". But this left sided thing can also come from your own desire for wrong things. For example, we might be desiring something very wrong; we might be thinking that let us have this kind of a dead thing or that kind of dead thing or some sort of a special thing. Suppose, somebody wants a refrigerator and keeps on thinking of it. He thinks that he must have a fridge. He must go to the fridge, because he wants a fringe, and he must get it. Why he wants a fridge ? Because he thinks it will give him more comfort. But, when he brings the fridge, he knows that it is not so. So, the best way to look at all dead things is not to go too far with them. If you have, well and good. If you do not have, well and good. You can live with minimum of minimum or you can live with maximum of maximum of these. But when we start expanding our dead possessions, it is very much bad. Then our attention goes into the dead. That's how we move into our subconscious then over to collective subconscious. Then it moves higher to the left Nabhi, and at left Nabhi, we start becoming crazy about these dead things. For example, the watch , the Time. Time is a dead thing,. it is not a living things. It has nothing to do with living thing. For example, you cannot say exactly at what time the flower will become a fruit. So this watch or time has nothing to do with the living force at all. It is human or man-made like the watch; particularly time is also man made. For example, today, time here is something, but in England it is different. If you say it is 4-0' clock in India, it is not the same in England. So, the timing is not important. What time you arrive what time you go, how many times you do it, is not 'important. Because living force is infinite, it has no time limit or space limit, you cannot count it, the way it moves, the way it works out. Once we understand that it is a living force which is spontaneous, which is not bothered about our dead ideas, we come out of the dead. We were first stones, then we became amoebae, then we . gradually became human beings. So, our attention is all the time towards the dead. What should we get, what should we have, what are the needs ? We have of this body which is going to die. We do not see to the needs of the Spirit. By seeing to the needs of the spirit, you can overcome the left side. You start looking after your spirit from which you know that you get your vibrations. If your Spirit is happy, you get your vibrations, if it is unhappy, you do not get the vibrations. Such a common thing ! If you have any disease or a problem on left hand side, to give it a balance, you put your attention to the future. But then people get stuck up on the future, if I say you look to the future. As dead is dead and is 'Mithya' (illusion), same way future is also Mithya, is also not there. Both the things are just the same. Whether you go to left or right, whether you go to the subconscious or the supraconscious mind, both the thing are just the same. So, no use going to the past, but if you are too much in the past, it is better to think of the future, so that you are pushed a little bit to the centre. But, it is difficult with you, human beings. Now, the other problem starts, when we start feeling guilty about something, when left Vishuddhi catches. We start feeling guilty. "I should have not done this thing or that thing". Then you start saying, "] am very miserable, I am very guilty" etc., you just start cursing yourself. This is another nonsense. That is how once you start doing that, then what happens is that you again become dead. Because living force will never condemn. No, it will Never. It goes on progressing itself. It sees, which side to move, this side or that side. It is not going to condemn itself. It is not going to aggress anything. It has the wisdom to be in the Centre . That is how people should over-come their left side, by putting their attention away from the dead things. You should watch from the Centre, when you are on the left side. What you want to see, you don't see. But then ultimately to escape ail this, what you do is to start blaming yourself all the time and feeling miserable. Now, this is the way you start ending up with your left side into a very miserable state, that is the culmination of all these attachments to the left side. So, ultimately you start thinking that you are good for nothing, you are useless, you should have done this, you should have done that. Now, at this time to overcome it, you have to count your blessings. Count your Blessings one by one. You have got your Realization. During thousands of years how many people got realization ? You have got your vibrations. In so many centuries, how many people got them ? It is written in Zen system that in eight centuries there were altogether 26 Kashyaps (Realized Souls). So, even after Buddha, how many got their realization? You must think also that there are so many realized people, who talk the same language, who talk the same tongue. You must thank yourself also, that every thing can be known to you. But, when you start catching on the left, you go in the past and you start saying, "Oh God ? I am so useless, I am good for nothing. I am so useless, that I am still catching". As you know, those who catch on 'the left hand side, are always complaining, always grudging type because of poor things, they suffer. Now, to match with that is the other side. So, if I tell you that you go to the other side also, it is a very dangerous game. For example, we have so many conditionings in our lives. You see, first of all our desire. Our desire is to become excellent Sahaja Yogis, to become Master Gurus and something great and this and that. That there should be many disciples that we should have who should touch our feet and we should be called Great Gurus etc. So, in Sahaja Yoga some things are prohibited That nobody should touch anybody's feet and no Sahaja Yogi should allow anyone to touch his or her feet. This is one of the great Bandhans for all Sahaja Yogis. No one should touch other's Feet and nobody should ask to touch his or her feet, whatever may be your quality. Those who will touch will lose vibrations, and those who will get salutations will also catch on the heart. So, such conditions, which we have about Sahaja Yoga also, should be removed. We are all of us growing together. We are part and parcel of one personality. Nobody is higher or lower. One who thinks the slightest like this will go down faster. This is the left side conditioning, where people falter very much. So, such desires must be given up in Sahaja Yoga. You -,must have very wider desires in Sahaja Yoga that all of us must get Realization-say as many as possible. We should try to save as many people as possible. We should try to improve ourselves as far as we can, and we are nothing yet we can improve and have so many blessings. Now, the thoughts can come from the left side also. Like, if you have some Bhoots in your head, they can give you the thought that, "Oh, you are useless or good for nothing." Now, raise your right side and put down the left. with your left hand. Now why do we do this ? Because from your right side, you get the Grace and put down the left side. Such people who suffer from the left side should try this. One more thing, is, that when these ideas come to you or such thoughts., come to you, that you are good for nothing etc., it is better to beat yourself with shoes. Go and sing the praise of the Lord and say that I am so happy. I have got everything around me. Now, the second thing is about the right side. On the right side, mostly you catch on the Swadishthan. That is because you think. This is another kind of thinking that gives you catch at right Swadishthan. Thinking, whether it comes from right or the left will first give problem to your liver. The worst comes when both the sides are involved. There are some Bhoots which give you ideas that you are good for nothing etc. while the other thing is when you start thinking that you are so great. In this such a wobbling starts coming and the confusion starts setting in. So, one must understand that in Sahaja Yoga, you are developing that sharp edge, that central point from which you do not deviate to the right or to the left. This is something so subtle that you are left sided, you are not going to remain left sided. You can become right-sided tomorrow. Exactly, tomorrow you can come with a right-sided problem. So, you must learn that Balancing, just like you start learning a bicycle. You might fall on this side or that side. Now, when do you learn cycling ? If you ask me, I will say, "When you learn." I mean when you cycle down, that's the point when you learn. So, in Sahaja Yoga, to balance it, you have to watch yourself carefully. Now, where is it going ? To the left side, then come to the right side. If going to the right side, come to the left side. Now, come to the Centre, you just separate yourself, you detach yourself all the time. Not to criticize yourself nor to aggress anyone or to criticize others. But use this point just to see yourself, just to see and guide yourself. Guidance is very different from getting lost. Now that is what it is. Supposing the dead thing is there. Say this is a dead thing. When I throw it, it exactly will fall there. Living thing, if I throw it will not fall there exactly. So, the living force knows how to guide itself. In the same way you will learn to guide yourself., If you have learnt it, you have mastered Sahaja Yoga. No use condemning yourself, in any way or thinking that you are great or small. But watch now, where the horse is going. You are sitting on the top of the horse; now you are no more the horse. Before, Realization you are the horse. Wherever it takes you, you go there. It may stand there, when it sees the grass and eat. Then the horse wants to kick somebody, it will do so, But , now, you have come out of the horse and sitting on the horse as a Rider. Now you are the Rider and you must know how you are befouled by these things. These desires are all ancient age old things within you. See , also the aggression, the Karma that you are doing are also ancient. By doing this you will get this, you will get that. Many people will say, "Mother, we are doing this, we are doing so much for Sahaja Yoga; we have still not achieved anything". Now, what to do. Just can't help it. Now, you must find out, what is the matter with you. Now, if the Heart is catching, such people can never progress. The Heart is the source of Light, it is the source of BrahmaShakti. Heart is the seat of Atma. If in the Heart there is no living force, then how can you progress ? You must know what to choose. This is what Sahaja Yoga should make out of you. . You should grow mature to that point where you know what to choose. This is Growth. Then you don't ask of Mother. You don't ask anyone. This development should come to you. That, "what I do, I should know what I am doing. I should know what is correct. I should know how to correct it' . I should know '1', here is the Spirit and not the Ego. No more the Ego exists or the Super-ego exist. It is the Spirit which guides you. You see the Realized children. They don't ask such questions. They know who is foolish, who is stupid. They know who is caught up. They know whom to shut up and whom to argue. They do not sympathize with the people, who are caught up. They just watch. If somebody comes, they will tell me, "Mataji, this fellow is caught". That's ail. Somebody else comes. They promptly tell me, "He is alright". That's all. They just certify. They do not hate anyone, they do not get worried about anything. If some body comes with a very bad Badha, they say, "Better please, go away", without any malice about the person. Once, you are at the top of the hill, you have not to worry about the traffic. But, you are not yet on the top, that's why you are worried that, "I am climbing and falling, climbing and failing". This is just a Myth, just a mental shadow on your mind. This is a fact that you are at the top of the hill. But you have not asserted, the assertion is not there. The God is the enjoyer. You cannot enjoy. You can only enjoy God, and it is the greatest enjoyment, to feels what God has created for you, what a beautiful life He has given you in human awareness, by which you can know how much He has loved you, how much He has worked for you. He has brought you to this level. What He has given you, you can give to others and make others happy. If you think like that immediately both of your sides will be settled and you yourself will be filled with Divine Vibrations. More in Hindi ...

"The Power of Brahma", Public Program, Delhi (India), 11 March 1981. I have told you, the other day that these vibrations are nothing but the Brahmashakti , the power of Brahma. The power of Brahma is the power that creates, .that desires, that evolves and it gives the living force also. It is the power which is giving us the living force. Now, it is not easy to understand what is a dead force and what is a living force. Living force is very simple to understand. An animal, say a little worm, is a living force. It can turn itself the way it likes. It can save itself from danger. It may be a small little thing, but because it is living it can save itself. But something which is dead cannot move by itself. So, the "Self" part does not remain in it, as far as it is concerned. Now, being a living force we should try to find out, "Are we going to be the living force or the dead one". Now, when we live in the world, we start thinking about our comforts; where we have to live, what we have to do. When we think of all these things, you see, we are thinking of the dead. But when we think of having a place or a house or an Ashram from the angle that you Will be doing some living work, then you are giving life to that place. That atmosphere should be created from all that is dead-to create the living force. Now, this is very very subtle thing, which very few people understand, for example, somebody brings me a photograph of Shri Ganesh and says, "Should I worship this Shri Ganesh's photograph or not". First of all we should sea if vibrations are coming from it or not. Supposing you take a house You must see that the house is giving good vibrations. We see the comfort, we see other things. We might even see if it is good for other people to come in or not, but we do not see the house from vibrations point of view. For anything that we do, we have, now, to think in terms of vibratory awareness which means awareness that is working upon living things. As in the, say, a cell at the tip of a the root of a tree is a living thing. Of course, it does not think, it is guided by the living force itself. So, it knows how to move with the living force, to live with it and how to understand the plan of the living force to get along with it and how to merge with it. But, we human beings have got the freedom to decide. Now, once you are realized, you have got that living force within you. This is the living force you feel. So, you have to know how to use this living force to keep your body, mind, ego, superego and everything in the enlightened state, by understanding the planning of the living force. It gives you all the ideas regarding most of the problems. For example, here in this country and specially in Delhi, I find that you catch on the left Nabhi, also right Swadishthana and then on the Heart and also on your Agnya. These are the Chakras which deal with our being. So, let us try from the left side. What happens ? On the left side the problem starts from left swadhishthna, because that is the first Chakra that starts emitting the negativity within us. Now, left Swadishthana is actually under control only of Shri Ganesh because Shri Ganesh is the beginning of life and also the link between the life and the death. So Ganesh is one who gives the balance, the "Vivek" the understanding to you by which you know how far to go with things. Now, when left Swathishthana catches, you start going to other people who promise you such things, like "I will give you this and that, this will happen, that will happen to you". But this left sided thing can also come from your own desire for wrong things. For example, we might be desiring something very wrong; we might be thinking that let us have this kind of a dead thing or that kind of dead thing or some sort of a special thing. Suppose, somebody wants a refrigerator and keeps on thinking of it. He thinks that he must have a fridge. He must go to the fridge, because he wants a fringe, and he must get it. Why he wants a fridge ? Because he thinks it will give him more comfort. But, when he brings the fridge, he knows that it is not so. So, the best way to look at all dead things is not to go too far with them. If you have, well and good. If you do not have, well and good. You can live with minimum of minimum or you can live with maximum of maximum of these. But when we start expanding our dead possessions, it is very much bad. Then our attention goes into the dead. That's how we move into our subconscious then over to collective subconscious. Then it moves higher to the left Nabhi, and at left Nabhi, we start becoming crazy about these dead things. For example, the watch , the Time. Time is a dead thing,. it is not a living things. It has nothing to do with living thing. For example, you cannot say exactly at what time the flower will become a fruit. So this watch or time has nothing to do with the living force at all. It is human or man-made like the watch; particularly time is also man made. For example, today, time here is something, but in England it is different. If you say it is 4-0' clock in India, it is not the same in England. So, the timing is not important. What time you arrive what time you go, how many times you do it, is not 'important. Because living force is infinite, it has no time limit or space limit, you cannot count it, the way it moves, the way it works out. Once we understand that it is a living force which is spontaneous, which is not bothered about our dead ideas, we come out of the dead. We were first stones, then we became amoebae, then we . gradually became human beings. So, our attention is all the time towards the dead. What should we get, what should we have, what are the needs ? We have of this body which is going to die. We do not see to the needs of the Spirit. By seeing to the needs of the spirit, you can overcome the left side. You start looking after your spirit from which you know that you get your vibrations. If your Spirit is happy, you get your vibrations, if it is unhappy, you do not get the vibrations. Such a common thing ! If you have any disease or a problem on left hand side, to give it a balance, you put your attention to the future. But then people get stuck up on the future, if I say you look to the future. As dead is dead and is 'Mithya' (illusion), same way future is also Mithya, is also not there. Both the things are just the same. Whether you go to left or right, whether you go to the subconscious or the supraconscious mind, both the thing are just the same. So, no use going to the past, but if you are too much in the past, it is better to think of the future, so that you are pushed a little bit to the centre. But, it is difficult with you, human beings. Now, the other problem starts, when we start feeling guilty about something, when left Vishuddhi catches. We start feeling guilty. "I should have not done this thing or that thing". Then you start saying, "] am very miserable, I am very guilty" etc., you just start cursing yourself. This is another nonsense. That is how once you start doing that, then what happens is that you again become dead. Because living force will never condemn. No, it will Never. It goes on progressing itself. It sees, which side to move, this side or that side. It is not going to condemn itself. It is not going to aggress anything. It has the wisdom to be in the Centre . That is how people should over-come their left side, by putting their attention away from the dead things. You should watch from the Centre, when you are on the left side. What you want to see, you don't see. But then ultimately to escape ail this, what you do is to start blaming yourself all the time and feeling miserable. Now, this is the way you start ending up with your left side into a very miserable state, that is the culmination of all these attachments to the left side. So, ultimately you start thinking that you are good for nothing, you are useless, you should have done this, you should have done that. Now, at this time to overcome it, you have to count your blessings. Count your Blessings one by one. You have got your Realization. During thousands of years how many people got realization ? You have got your vibrations. In so many centuries, how many people got them ? It is written in Zen system that in eight centuries there were altogether 26 Kashyaps (Realized Souls). So, even after Buddha, how many got their realization? You must think also that there are so many realized people, who talk the same language, who talk the same tongue. You must thank yourself also, that every thing can be known to you. But, when you start catching on the left, you go in the past and you start saying, "Oh God ? I am so useless, I am good for nothing. I am so useless, that I am still catching". As you know, those who catch on 'the left hand side, are always complaining, always grudging type because of poor things, they suffer. Now, to match with that is the other side. So, if I tell you that you go to the other side also, it is a very dangerous game. For example, we have so many conditionings in our lives. You see, first of all our desire. Our desire is to become excellent Sahaja Yogis, to become Master Gurus and something great and this and that. That there should be many disciples that we should have who should touch our feet and we should be called Great Gurus etc. So, in Sahaja Yoga some things are prohibited That nobody should touch anybody's feet and no Sahaja Yogi should allow anyone to touch his or her feet. This is one of the great Bandhans for all Sahaja Yogis. No one should touch other's Feet and nobody should ask to touch his or her feet, whatever may be your quality. Those who will touch will lose vibrations, and those who will get salutations will also catch on the heart. So, such conditions, which we have about Sahaja Yoga also, should be removed. We are all of us growing together. We are part and parcel of one personality. Nobody is higher or lower. One who thinks the slightest like this will go down faster. This is the left side conditioning, where people falter very much. So, such desires must be given up in Sahaja Yoga. You -,must have very wider desires in Sahaja Yoga that all of us must get Realization-say as many as possible. We should try to save as many people as possible. We should try to improve ourselves as far as we can, and we are nothing yet we can improve and have so many blessings. Now, the thoughts can come from the left side also. Like, if you have some Bhoots in your head, they can give you the thought that, "Oh, you are useless or good for nothing." Now, raise your right side and put down the left. with your left hand. Now why do we do this ? Because from your right side, you get the Grace and put down the left side. Such people who suffer from the left side should try this. One more thing, is, that when these ideas come to you or such thoughts., come to you, that you are good for nothing etc., it is better to beat yourself with shoes. Go and sing the praise of the Lord and say that I am so happy. I have got everything around me. Now, the second thing is about the right side. On the right side, mostly you catch on the Swadishthan. That is because you think. This is another kind of thinking that gives you catch at right Swadishthan. Thinking, whether it comes from right or the left will first give problem to your liver. The worst comes when both the sides are involved. There are some Bhoots which give you ideas that you are good for nothing etc. while the other thing is when you start thinking that you are so great. In this such a wobbling starts coming and the confusion starts setting in. So, one must understand that in Sahaja Yoga, you are developing that sharp edge, that central point from which you do not deviate to the right or to the left. This is something so subtle that you are left sided, you are not going to remain left sided. You can become right-sided tomorrow. Exactly, tomorrow you can come with a right-sided problem. So, you must learn that Balancing, just like you start learning a bicycle. You might fall on this side or that side. Now, when do you learn cycling ? If you ask me, I will say, "When you learn." I mean when you cycle down, that's the point when you learn. So, in Sahaja Yoga, to balance it, you have to watch yourself carefully. Now, where is it going ? To the left side, then come to the right side. If going to the right side, come to the left side. Now, come to the Centre, you just separate yourself, you detach yourself all the time. Not to criticize yourself nor to aggress anyone or to criticize others. But use this point just to see yourself, just to see and guide yourself. Guidance is very different from getting lost. Now that is what it is. Supposing the dead thing is there. Say this is a dead thing. When I throw it, it exactly will fall there. Living thing, if I throw it will not fall there exactly. So, the living force knows how to guide itself. In the same way you will learn to guide yourself., If you have learnt it, you have mastered Sahaja Yoga. No use condemning yourself, in any way or thinking that you are great or small. But watch now, where the horse is going. You are sitting on the top of the horse; now you are no more the horse. Before, Realization you are the horse. Wherever it takes you, you go there. It may stand there, when it sees the grass and eat. Then the horse wants to kick somebody, it will do so, But , now, you have come out of the horse and sitting on the horse as a Rider. Now you are the Rider and you must know how you are befouled by these things. These desires are all ancient age old things within you. See , also the aggression, the Karma that you are doing are also ancient. By doing this you will get this, you will get that. Many people will say, "Mother, we are doing this, we are doing so much for Sahaja Yoga; we have still not achieved anything". Now, what to do. Just can't help it. Now, you must find out, what is the matter with you. Now, if the Heart is catching, such people can never progress. The Heart is the source of Light, it is the source of BrahmaShakti. Heart is the seat of Atma. If in the Heart there is no living force, then how can you progress ? You must know what to choose. This is what Sahaja Yoga should make out of you. . You should grow mature to that point where you know what to choose. This is Growth. Then you don't ask of Mother. You don't ask anyone. This development should come to you. That, "what I do, I should know what I am doing. I should know what is correct. I should know how to correct it' . I should know '1', here is the Spirit and not the Ego. No more the Ego exists or the Super-ego exist. It is the Spirit which guides you. You see the Realized children. They don't ask such questions. They know who is foolish, who is stupid. They know who is caught up. They know whom to shut up and whom to argue. They do not sympathize with the people, who are caught up. They just watch. If somebody comes, they will tell me, "Mataji, this fellow is caught". That's ail. Somebody else comes. They promptly tell me, "He is alright". That's all. They just certify. They do not hate anyone, they do not get worried about anything. If some body comes with a very bad Badha, they say, "Better please, go away", without any malice about the person. Once, you are at the top of the hill, you have not to worry about the traffic. But, you are not yet on the top, that's why you are worried that, "I am climbing and falling, climbing and failing". This is just a Myth, just a mental shadow on your mind. This is a fact that you are at the top of the hill. But you have not asserted, the assertion is not there. The God is the enjoyer. You cannot enjoy. You can only enjoy God, and it is the greatest enjoyment, to feels what God has created for you, what a beautiful life He has given you in human awareness, by which you can know how much He has loved you, how much He has worked for you. He has brought you to this level. What He has given you, you can give to others and make others happy. If you think like that immediately both of your sides will be settled and you yourself will be filled with Divine Vibrations. More in Hindi ...

3/21/1981

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Birthday Puja: A Great Day in History

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Birthday Puja, (Shri Mataji’s first visit to Australia) Burwood, Sydney. March 21, 1981. I’m just trying to remember if I had a more fantastic birthday than this! Where words do not come, there the joy cannot be expressed. When it becomes so deep that there is no movement. This is a great country: Australia has been created for a special purpose in Sahaj Yoga. This is the Mooladhar Chakra where resides Shri Ganesh, of this world. How important it is to keep this centre awakened within us. The information about my coming can only be broadcasted from this centre: then the world Kundalini is going to rise. When you are putting your hands towards me then the Divine love passes through your fingers, goes down through your Ida and Pingala and informs Shri Ganesha about my presence; and then the Kundalini rises. So today, we should say, is a great day in the history of Divine work, where I came to Australia. They asked me, “Was there any incarnation in Australia? Did God visit Australia in human form?” I said, “It’s not easy to meet Shri Ganesh! Even Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh could not reach Shri Ganesh.” And you know that He is placed like a lotus where all kinds of people who are insulted, tortured, ignored are sent. Here He really decides whom to send to hell and whom not to send. God’s decisions are very different - they are above you. Human decisions are extremely cruel and dry. And today you find so many saints in this Mooladhara. Definitely this is the work of Shri Ganesh. He has called you on this great chakra – where Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha also, cannot enter in it. And you should stay here and grow into beautiful saints of very great magnitude in spirituality. Such glory is to him, is such a fortunate thing and such a blessing, that even Indians could be jealous of you. One has to see how Shri Ganesha acts within us. It’s very important to recognise him, understand him and to imbibe, otherwise you will be wasting all his energies staying in this place, living in this place, so close to him. And though he’s the giver of wisdom, I wonder how many people understand the word ‘wisdom’. Wisdom is the centre of gravity within us which gives us the fulcrum on which we rotate, by which we realise that we are inclined to the left or to the right. This fulcrum we have to be aware of, because otherwise we will not know how far we have gone. Not only [that], but you should know that it is so much the centre of gravity and our fulcrum so close. Because if your centre of gravity and fulcrum are separated there’s no integration: you can be ruined, completely. So wisdom means this integration between your understanding, and the understanding of Shri Ganesh within. For example, we go to extremes; extremes of behaviour. I would give you a very simple example: I was going to Hong Kong and the lady who organised it telephoned to me again and again, and she told me that, “A big batch of people are coming to receive you; and you are going to be on the television from the moment you land, and this is going to happen and that is going to happen,” Every day spending so much money describing the scene that I’ll be a “hot news” and all sorts of things that she was talking about. And she was on and on and on and also she told Dr Warren [that] except for giving the newspaper [advert] she didn’t have to pay for it. It was going too far. At that juncture it was not necessary to go to such a limit and plan it out: that there would be people coming inside the aeroplane to receive me - makes no difference to me! - and there would be a car waiting near the aeroplane to take me to the airport, and I don’t know who was waiting where at every point! (laughing) And when we reached there it was six hours late and I told Warren, “It’s all going to be a fizzled out, take it easy!” And the plane just deposited us in Bangkok! There was no way – six hours. And we had to take another plane in which nobody came in, no car, nothing: went down looking for her, couldn’t see her. Telephoned to the hotel, they said, “No arrangements thrown.” Warren thought, “Mother has gone to another extreme!” (laughter) Quite worried that there’s no one to receive us at the airport down there. It’s all a joke. Going to extremes has to be corrected in you as well, because if you get successful with your this kind of planning, then you’ll go on doing this kind of artificial planning and not the planning of the Divine. The Divine has its own plans and we have to feel the plans of the Divine. It works it out. You are just an instrument to work it out. So if you try to do something of your own, something too much, then who is going to suggest, “This is the balance,” is Shri Ganesh. And that balance, once it’s established in you, you know how you should balance yourself. There is no alternative for Sahaj Yog, no alternative; one must know. Everything that is living has no alternatives. For example, if a mango tree says that, “I will create a pomegranate,” it cannot! There’s no alternatives. Whatever is there, it has to see and enjoy; but not to force its way on it. This is one of the things we have to understand to establish our wisdom. Because of our concept, our idea, our anything, even about God for example, about our achievements itself, can be absolutely wrong if you have no wisdom. But in nature, if you see, those who grow are never bothered about what shape they are going to take, do they? Does a tree measure itself up to know how many dimensions it is going to grow? It grows as much as it can, slowly, steadily, the coordination of the nature itself. Like that the wisdom is the one that understands. It is an establishment, it’s a state of mind. We can say it’s the state of being, when you become wisdom. Such a wisdom, outside, is also expressed so beautifully. Such a wisdom gives you gentleman and a gentlelady, only in a personality which is settled down. If you are frustrated with a problem, if you are unhappy, if you are suppressed, any extreme will not allow this flower of wisdom to grow. So even in frustration you have to look back and you have to stand back and see for yourself, “What am I to be frustrated about?” Count your blessings one by one, count your blessings one by one. I’ll say again, count your blessings one by one. Once you start counting your blessings, you will find, in such a short time, where are you. Now the extreme projections of mind can take you to: “I’m not going to face!” And you would like to do it. But in wise projection, you can say this, that you are what you have to be. You are saints. You were born to be saints in this great country. You are specially blessed people in the heavens and are sent on this Earth to do this Maha Yoga, to spread it. You have achieved that state. And if you are saints you should not be bothered as to a few things like, “Oh! I haven’t got a suitcase,” or something sort of a thing like that; which you have never been very much bothered can you see that? And any kind of extreme behaviour. For example, for materialism you people are not so bad, in the sense [that] you understand the value of aesthetics. But in possessiveness let us take the wise path, wisdom; logically, it has to be logical: what do we possess in this world? Just think of one thing that we can possess. Except for your own Spirit you don’t possess anything. Except for your evolutionary development you don’t possess anything. For example, now you are a saint you’ll be born a saint always – this is what you possess. The rest you don’t possess. It’s logical, logical. You need not to be realised to understand what I am saying. So why should we our possessions? When you leave this worry, this is another wisdom, this is a higher wisdom which you develop within yourself. And If we leave our possessions, our material problems are solved. ‘Leave’ doesn’t mean you throw them in the sea, but the attachment to it dissolves. It is solved. Like, Kay [McHugh] lost her travellers’ cheques, she did not know, she was not knowing. Suddenly one man bumped into her. I was with her. He said, “Imagine, I never knew I am going to meet you! When I went to a particular cashier or somewhere he said, ‘Do you know this lady? I’ve got her travellers’ cheques with me.’ And here, suddenly, I bump into you!” How the news has been organised, in the nature you see when the flowers bloom, how these bees come all the way; how the birds fly all the way from Siberia to Australia. What wisdom is that magnetism in them, the magnetism that is in the Mother Earth which tells them this is the way you have to go. So we have to see to this magnetism within us: what makes us magnetic is not what we put up, what unnatural things we have, but what naturally we have achieved within and we are not afraid to express. In fear you are never aggressive, but even in fearlessness you are never aggressive. In fear you might say that you are not afraid but you could be aggressive. When people look very frightened, if you push them to the extreme of fright, they can come back, but if you are fearless, you are in the centre, you are just standing and watching. Fearlessness never means aggression. So the confusion of our own concepts can only be cleared out if there is light within us. For us, if somebody is aggressing us then you think [that] if we do not aggress the other person we are frightened of there is no vengence, then we are useless, we are weak people; so we should fight back. Even when you are fighting back you are weak people. If it was not so, what is there to fight back? In fearlessness you become the witness. You see the joke behind all this extreme behaviour of another person, and also you know the technique kaushalam (कौशलं). Yoga also means kaushalam, it means technique: how to manage the show by which his action doesn’t trouble you also; if you want to. If you don’t want, you can even take the action upon yourself, to prove it that, “Whatever you are doing is a little silly and stupid.” Like Christ getting Himself crucified. It was a wise decision because if you have to prove that life is eternal, the best thing is to die and show. And to be [done] publicly, so that nobody should say that He was not dead. Still there are many people who are saying that He was not dead! Still there are people who are talking like this: “He was not dead. He was alive. So he got out of the place.” Because they don’t know how to explain. So He had to die publicly and then his resurrection was to be seen by many people. This drama had to be performed for you to have the wisdom to know that life is eternal. It doesn’t mean that He was weak, by any chance. So the idea of our aggression, or our suppression, both come from either fear or some sort of a satanic pleasure to oppress others. So wisdom lies in seeing yourself also. See how wisdom is so important. Throughout if you find, in every chakra, within it lies pranava - is the life of every chakra. Because it is the wisdom that tells you whether you are in a chakra or not. So how wisdom is important that you even become a sakshi if you have wisdom, otherwise you cannot. You become a witness only when you have that focal point adjusted to your centre of gravity. That is wisdom. When people tell me about somebody who has harmed them they paint such a dark picture of the whole thing, as if it was another war that was fought. Then you go and listen to another side, they paint another horrible picture of this side. Between these two pictures, you find the one is reflecting the other, the other is reflecting the other. There’s no end to it, it’s eternally going on from this to tha, to that to this. How do you end it up? Only by your wisdom, by understanding it’s an illusion. The main thing is the mirror on which it is reflected is just an illusion that is appearing, and we are worried about it. The whole illusion will drop out as soon as you just see the mirror and don’t worry about the reflections: they’ll come and go. It is for you just to witness it, that’s all. The mirror is a mirror which is a solid thing and all the reflections are illusions. That’s how we miss all the sweetness of our own being. Wisdom lies in the understanding that you are the Spirit. You are not all these illusions, you are the Spirit, you are the Spirit. The attention was, as animals, was on food only you can say: you develop food, nothing else but food. This grows higher and higher in awareness and you came up to a point where he started thinking that he is the prime minister or he is an actor or an actress and this and that a so-called they have achieved; or maybe they start thinking they are atheists and all sorts of things, communists, specialists (laughter). It’s a drama going on. They are wearing wigs after wigs. If they like this wig they’ll wear this, otherwise throw away. This has killed the romance completely! You start loving the wigs of a person! And wigs can be bought, they could be exchanged. You go into the market and you can get, say, about ten types of wigs. Supposing you say, “Oh, I like this colour for the hair,” so the lady will go and wear that and come out, and then you will like her for the wig that she has bought. Then another may wear the same, or this same lady who looked nice with one wig could bore you completely because there’s no living dynamism, that charisma. Every moment is so beautiful. It breaks into new waves of such beautiful colours and beautiful music. That’s all lost with these bought images. Every minute the image changes with a living personality into tremendous beauty. But the first point is the wisdom to know that our images cannot be purchased or bought or created or made: they evolve! So we have to only see to our evolving force: are we nearer it or are we out of it? Are we moving with our evolving force of getting ourselves crucified with all these artificial misidentifications that says that, “You are this, you are that.” You are nothing but a seeker. It’s category I have told, many a times, that you are a seeker and you have to seek. Now, what do you seek? Is your Spirit. And once you have found it, establish yourself on that. That’s what you are! And to know that you are that Spirit itself is so satisfying; is itself emitting wisdom which is so joy giving, and is nothing but love. It’s love, I tell you. I mean I cannot go beyond this: there’s no word in human language to say what is love. To me it is nothing but silence. Everything stops at that point. This feeling where the wisdom becomes love, and love becomes wisdom. That’s the real integration of life. Open your hearts, allow Shri Ganesha to be settled in that, that innocence which enhances everything. Look at the little ones how they came forward to give me flowers: every step, every movement was so joyous, was creating such a beautiful, delicate ripple in my heart. And it’s written as history for me, to see these little, little sweet, innocent Ganeshas coming forward. And the wisdom becomes so powerful, that you know the source of love as Ganesha in you. For him, he did not know anybody else but one: that which is the source of love. Never questioning, never argued: no alternatives. No new ideas came to his mind, he’s just taking in. Working it out within yourself and the whole thing just works out. The more you enter into it you will understand that you have really entered the Kingdom of God where He looks after everything: you want a house? All right, have it! What do you want? You want that? Have it! (laughter) Take care of your problem? Have it. It’s all God’s own thing. Who owns it but God? He is the One who owns everything and He’s the One who enjoys everything, and He wants you to enjoy everything. It’s only through the power of wisdom that you can achieve it. Today, though I had to show a part of that achievement in wisdom in which there is no artificial; it’s so natural. But natural doesn’t mean baser. Some people think to be angry is also natural. But you are a human being and a Sahaj Yogi. Whatever is natural to a Sahaj Yogi is not the same as whatever is natural to a buffalo! We have nothing to learn from them, they have to learn from us. So whatever is natural to a Sahaj Yogi has to be learnt in the school of wisdom. Not by any rules, or anything that I say, “You don’t do this,” and, “You do this!” “You are not to do like that.” “You are not to do this way!” Not that. Even in the hand if you see, this portion is Australia (Shri Mataji points to base of Her hand where the Mooladhara is). Now just see, this portion is the source for all the fingers, is the connecting point, this is your point (Australia). But it doesn’t say anything. For example, this finger means something, this thumb means something, this finger means something, this means something, but this [base] doesn’t say anything, doesn’t do anything. But without this nothing exists. If it is cut out here, you are paralysed, all the movement is finished. This is the connecting link with the Divine and the guiding link. This only tells which finger to move, where to take, how much to contract, which person. All of this is controlled in this portion. A day will come when the information will reach the whole world through the awakening of Ganesha in my children, the Sahaji Yogis in Australia. And the whole world is going to get the blessings coming from Shri Ganesh. Of course, you know that Kundalini is in India and only then this Kundalini can rise. But one thing you must remember is that you are really placed at a very pivotal point and that the responsibility is too much on you. And the responsibility is to keep the whole atmosphere pure and send forth all the fragrance of the lotus. Though, maybe, you will feel you are surrounded by all mud and everything, but still you have to be very strong lotuses. For the whole world you have to come up and send forth that beautiful fragrance of announcement that the Blossom Time has come. I was asking for the river’s name, what’s the name of the river. I wonder if you thought about it. See, the river’s name is Parramatta. ‘Parra’ in Greek means ‘above, beyond’ and ‘Matta’ means ‘the mother’. Your river’s name itself is Parramatta. It’s a Greek word, and how the Greeks have known of this word ‘Parramatta’? This river had to be here, the Adishakti only had to be here, to bless Shri Ganesha all the time which has to work hard. He’s the one who sorts out: Lambodara. The one you see in the Sistine Chapel, very well pointed out. It’s a huge big stomach. It’s really an Australian character, personality, standing there sorting out people. Throwing left and to the right. It’s so beautiful, I wish you could get that picture some time. And you will be surprised – it’s an Australian, you can see it perfectly. It’s an Australian character. That is Christ. Absolutely an Australian body, standing up. I don’t know how Michelangelo could see that so clearly, that He had to be Australian like that one. It has been so beautiful to come down, so beautiful. It’s blissful for you maybe, but for me it’s nothing but complete joy, complete joy. I had told I will not do anything after three years time, I will just settle down. Because the saintly person is not supposed to move from places to places, they must settle, they must have their own ground – that’s called as takiya, and you are not to leave that. But I am your Mother, moving all over. And, can you imagine, I have been to all the world’s places, but never to Australia before, so to come here first thing was so great that even today I have not been able to put all that into words. May God bless you!

Birthday Puja, (Shri Mataji’s first visit to Australia) Burwood, Sydney. March 21, 1981. I’m just trying to remember if I had a more fantastic birthday than this! Where words do not come, there the joy cannot be expressed. When it becomes so deep that there is no movement. This is a great country: Australia has been created for a special purpose in Sahaj Yoga. This is the Mooladhar Chakra where resides Shri Ganesh, of this world. How important it is to keep this centre awakened within us. The information about my coming can only be broadcasted from this centre: then the world Kundalini is going to rise. When you are putting your hands towards me then the Divine love passes through your fingers, goes down through your Ida and Pingala and informs Shri Ganesha about my presence; and then the Kundalini rises. So today, we should say, is a great day in the history of Divine work, where I came to Australia. They asked me, “Was there any incarnation in Australia? Did God visit Australia in human form?” I said, “It’s not easy to meet Shri Ganesh! Even Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh could not reach Shri Ganesh.” And you know that He is placed like a lotus where all kinds of people who are insulted, tortured, ignored are sent. Here He really decides whom to send to hell and whom not to send. God’s decisions are very different - they are above you. Human decisions are extremely cruel and dry. And today you find so many saints in this Mooladhara. Definitely this is the work of Shri Ganesh. He has called you on this great chakra – where Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha also, cannot enter in it. And you should stay here and grow into beautiful saints of very great magnitude in spirituality. Such glory is to him, is such a fortunate thing and such a blessing, that even Indians could be jealous of you. One has to see how Shri Ganesha acts within us. It’s very important to recognise him, understand him and to imbibe, otherwise you will be wasting all his energies staying in this place, living in this place, so close to him. And though he’s the giver of wisdom, I wonder how many people understand the word ‘wisdom’. Wisdom is the centre of gravity within us which gives us the fulcrum on which we rotate, by which we realise that we are inclined to the left or to the right. This fulcrum we have to be aware of, because otherwise we will not know how far we have gone. Not only [that], but you should know that it is so much the centre of gravity and our fulcrum so close. Because if your centre of gravity and fulcrum are separated there’s no integration: you can be ruined, completely. So wisdom means this integration between your understanding, and the understanding of Shri Ganesh within. For example, we go to extremes; extremes of behaviour. I would give you a very simple example: I was going to Hong Kong and the lady who organised it telephoned to me again and again, and she told me that, “A big batch of people are coming to receive you; and you are going to be on the television from the moment you land, and this is going to happen and that is going to happen,” Every day spending so much money describing the scene that I’ll be a “hot news” and all sorts of things that she was talking about. And she was on and on and on and also she told Dr Warren [that] except for giving the newspaper [advert] she didn’t have to pay for it. It was going too far. At that juncture it was not necessary to go to such a limit and plan it out: that there would be people coming inside the aeroplane to receive me - makes no difference to me! - and there would be a car waiting near the aeroplane to take me to the airport, and I don’t know who was waiting where at every point! (laughing) And when we reached there it was six hours late and I told Warren, “It’s all going to be a fizzled out, take it easy!” And the plane just deposited us in Bangkok! There was no way – six hours. And we had to take another plane in which nobody came in, no car, nothing: went down looking for her, couldn’t see her. Telephoned to the hotel, they said, “No arrangements thrown.” Warren thought, “Mother has gone to another extreme!” (laughter) Quite worried that there’s no one to receive us at the airport down there. It’s all a joke. Going to extremes has to be corrected in you as well, because if you get successful with your this kind of planning, then you’ll go on doing this kind of artificial planning and not the planning of the Divine. The Divine has its own plans and we have to feel the plans of the Divine. It works it out. You are just an instrument to work it out. So if you try to do something of your own, something too much, then who is going to suggest, “This is the balance,” is Shri Ganesh. And that balance, once it’s established in you, you know how you should balance yourself. There is no alternative for Sahaj Yog, no alternative; one must know. Everything that is living has no alternatives. For example, if a mango tree says that, “I will create a pomegranate,” it cannot! There’s no alternatives. Whatever is there, it has to see and enjoy; but not to force its way on it. This is one of the things we have to understand to establish our wisdom. Because of our concept, our idea, our anything, even about God for example, about our achievements itself, can be absolutely wrong if you have no wisdom. But in nature, if you see, those who grow are never bothered about what shape they are going to take, do they? Does a tree measure itself up to know how many dimensions it is going to grow? It grows as much as it can, slowly, steadily, the coordination of the nature itself. Like that the wisdom is the one that understands. It is an establishment, it’s a state of mind. We can say it’s the state of being, when you become wisdom. Such a wisdom, outside, is also expressed so beautifully. Such a wisdom gives you gentleman and a gentlelady, only in a personality which is settled down. If you are frustrated with a problem, if you are unhappy, if you are suppressed, any extreme will not allow this flower of wisdom to grow. So even in frustration you have to look back and you have to stand back and see for yourself, “What am I to be frustrated about?” Count your blessings one by one, count your blessings one by one. I’ll say again, count your blessings one by one. Once you start counting your blessings, you will find, in such a short time, where are you. Now the extreme projections of mind can take you to: “I’m not going to face!” And you would like to do it. But in wise projection, you can say this, that you are what you have to be. You are saints. You were born to be saints in this great country. You are specially blessed people in the heavens and are sent on this Earth to do this Maha Yoga, to spread it. You have achieved that state. And if you are saints you should not be bothered as to a few things like, “Oh! I haven’t got a suitcase,” or something sort of a thing like that; which you have never been very much bothered can you see that? And any kind of extreme behaviour. For example, for materialism you people are not so bad, in the sense [that] you understand the value of aesthetics. But in possessiveness let us take the wise path, wisdom; logically, it has to be logical: what do we possess in this world? Just think of one thing that we can possess. Except for your own Spirit you don’t possess anything. Except for your evolutionary development you don’t possess anything. For example, now you are a saint you’ll be born a saint always – this is what you possess. The rest you don’t possess. It’s logical, logical. You need not to be realised to understand what I am saying. So why should we our possessions? When you leave this worry, this is another wisdom, this is a higher wisdom which you develop within yourself. And If we leave our possessions, our material problems are solved. ‘Leave’ doesn’t mean you throw them in the sea, but the attachment to it dissolves. It is solved. Like, Kay [McHugh] lost her travellers’ cheques, she did not know, she was not knowing. Suddenly one man bumped into her. I was with her. He said, “Imagine, I never knew I am going to meet you! When I went to a particular cashier or somewhere he said, ‘Do you know this lady? I’ve got her travellers’ cheques with me.’ And here, suddenly, I bump into you!” How the news has been organised, in the nature you see when the flowers bloom, how these bees come all the way; how the birds fly all the way from Siberia to Australia. What wisdom is that magnetism in them, the magnetism that is in the Mother Earth which tells them this is the way you have to go. So we have to see to this magnetism within us: what makes us magnetic is not what we put up, what unnatural things we have, but what naturally we have achieved within and we are not afraid to express. In fear you are never aggressive, but even in fearlessness you are never aggressive. In fear you might say that you are not afraid but you could be aggressive. When people look very frightened, if you push them to the extreme of fright, they can come back, but if you are fearless, you are in the centre, you are just standing and watching. Fearlessness never means aggression. So the confusion of our own concepts can only be cleared out if there is light within us. For us, if somebody is aggressing us then you think [that] if we do not aggress the other person we are frightened of there is no vengence, then we are useless, we are weak people; so we should fight back. Even when you are fighting back you are weak people. If it was not so, what is there to fight back? In fearlessness you become the witness. You see the joke behind all this extreme behaviour of another person, and also you know the technique kaushalam (कौशलं). Yoga also means kaushalam, it means technique: how to manage the show by which his action doesn’t trouble you also; if you want to. If you don’t want, you can even take the action upon yourself, to prove it that, “Whatever you are doing is a little silly and stupid.” Like Christ getting Himself crucified. It was a wise decision because if you have to prove that life is eternal, the best thing is to die and show. And to be [done] publicly, so that nobody should say that He was not dead. Still there are many people who are saying that He was not dead! Still there are people who are talking like this: “He was not dead. He was alive. So he got out of the place.” Because they don’t know how to explain. So He had to die publicly and then his resurrection was to be seen by many people. This drama had to be performed for you to have the wisdom to know that life is eternal. It doesn’t mean that He was weak, by any chance. So the idea of our aggression, or our suppression, both come from either fear or some sort of a satanic pleasure to oppress others. So wisdom lies in seeing yourself also. See how wisdom is so important. Throughout if you find, in every chakra, within it lies pranava - is the life of every chakra. Because it is the wisdom that tells you whether you are in a chakra or not. So how wisdom is important that you even become a sakshi if you have wisdom, otherwise you cannot. You become a witness only when you have that focal point adjusted to your centre of gravity. That is wisdom. When people tell me about somebody who has harmed them they paint such a dark picture of the whole thing, as if it was another war that was fought. Then you go and listen to another side, they paint another horrible picture of this side. Between these two pictures, you find the one is reflecting the other, the other is reflecting the other. There’s no end to it, it’s eternally going on from this to tha, to that to this. How do you end it up? Only by your wisdom, by understanding it’s an illusion. The main thing is the mirror on which it is reflected is just an illusion that is appearing, and we are worried about it. The whole illusion will drop out as soon as you just see the mirror and don’t worry about the reflections: they’ll come and go. It is for you just to witness it, that’s all. The mirror is a mirror which is a solid thing and all the reflections are illusions. That’s how we miss all the sweetness of our own being. Wisdom lies in the understanding that you are the Spirit. You are not all these illusions, you are the Spirit, you are the Spirit. The attention was, as animals, was on food only you can say: you develop food, nothing else but food. This grows higher and higher in awareness and you came up to a point where he started thinking that he is the prime minister or he is an actor or an actress and this and that a so-called they have achieved; or maybe they start thinking they are atheists and all sorts of things, communists, specialists (laughter). It’s a drama going on. They are wearing wigs after wigs. If they like this wig they’ll wear this, otherwise throw away. This has killed the romance completely! You start loving the wigs of a person! And wigs can be bought, they could be exchanged. You go into the market and you can get, say, about ten types of wigs. Supposing you say, “Oh, I like this colour for the hair,” so the lady will go and wear that and come out, and then you will like her for the wig that she has bought. Then another may wear the same, or this same lady who looked nice with one wig could bore you completely because there’s no living dynamism, that charisma. Every moment is so beautiful. It breaks into new waves of such beautiful colours and beautiful music. That’s all lost with these bought images. Every minute the image changes with a living personality into tremendous beauty. But the first point is the wisdom to know that our images cannot be purchased or bought or created or made: they evolve! So we have to only see to our evolving force: are we nearer it or are we out of it? Are we moving with our evolving force of getting ourselves crucified with all these artificial misidentifications that says that, “You are this, you are that.” You are nothing but a seeker. It’s category I have told, many a times, that you are a seeker and you have to seek. Now, what do you seek? Is your Spirit. And once you have found it, establish yourself on that. That’s what you are! And to know that you are that Spirit itself is so satisfying; is itself emitting wisdom which is so joy giving, and is nothing but love. It’s love, I tell you. I mean I cannot go beyond this: there’s no word in human language to say what is love. To me it is nothing but silence. Everything stops at that point. This feeling where the wisdom becomes love, and love becomes wisdom. That’s the real integration of life. Open your hearts, allow Shri Ganesha to be settled in that, that innocence which enhances everything. Look at the little ones how they came forward to give me flowers: every step, every movement was so joyous, was creating such a beautiful, delicate ripple in my heart. And it’s written as history for me, to see these little, little sweet, innocent Ganeshas coming forward. And the wisdom becomes so powerful, that you know the source of love as Ganesha in you. For him, he did not know anybody else but one: that which is the source of love. Never questioning, never argued: no alternatives. No new ideas came to his mind, he’s just taking in. Working it out within yourself and the whole thing just works out. The more you enter into it you will understand that you have really entered the Kingdom of God where He looks after everything: you want a house? All right, have it! What do you want? You want that? Have it! (laughter) Take care of your problem? Have it. It’s all God’s own thing. Who owns it but God? He is the One who owns everything and He’s the One who enjoys everything, and He wants you to enjoy everything. It’s only through the power of wisdom that you can achieve it. Today, though I had to show a part of that achievement in wisdom in which there is no artificial; it’s so natural. But natural doesn’t mean baser. Some people think to be angry is also natural. But you are a human being and a Sahaj Yogi. Whatever is natural to a Sahaj Yogi is not the same as whatever is natural to a buffalo! We have nothing to learn from them, they have to learn from us. So whatever is natural to a Sahaj Yogi has to be learnt in the school of wisdom. Not by any rules, or anything that I say, “You don’t do this,” and, “You do this!” “You are not to do like that.” “You are not to do this way!” Not that. Even in the hand if you see, this portion is Australia (Shri Mataji points to base of Her hand where the Mooladhara is). Now just see, this portion is the source for all the fingers, is the connecting point, this is your point (Australia). But it doesn’t say anything. For example, this finger means something, this thumb means something, this finger means something, this means something, but this [base] doesn’t say anything, doesn’t do anything. But without this nothing exists. If it is cut out here, you are paralysed, all the movement is finished. This is the connecting link with the Divine and the guiding link. This only tells which finger to move, where to take, how much to contract, which person. All of this is controlled in this portion. A day will come when the information will reach the whole world through the awakening of Ganesha in my children, the Sahaji Yogis in Australia. And the whole world is going to get the blessings coming from Shri Ganesh. Of course, you know that Kundalini is in India and only then this Kundalini can rise. But one thing you must remember is that you are really placed at a very pivotal point and that the responsibility is too much on you. And the responsibility is to keep the whole atmosphere pure and send forth all the fragrance of the lotus. Though, maybe, you will feel you are surrounded by all mud and everything, but still you have to be very strong lotuses. For the whole world you have to come up and send forth that beautiful fragrance of announcement that the Blossom Time has come. I was asking for the river’s name, what’s the name of the river. I wonder if you thought about it. See, the river’s name is Parramatta. ‘Parra’ in Greek means ‘above, beyond’ and ‘Matta’ means ‘the mother’. Your river’s name itself is Parramatta. It’s a Greek word, and how the Greeks have known of this word ‘Parramatta’? This river had to be here, the Adishakti only had to be here, to bless Shri Ganesha all the time which has to work hard. He’s the one who sorts out: Lambodara. The one you see in the Sistine Chapel, very well pointed out. It’s a huge big stomach. It’s really an Australian character, personality, standing there sorting out people. Throwing left and to the right. It’s so beautiful, I wish you could get that picture some time. And you will be surprised – it’s an Australian, you can see it perfectly. It’s an Australian character. That is Christ. Absolutely an Australian body, standing up. I don’t know how Michelangelo could see that so clearly, that He had to be Australian like that one. It has been so beautiful to come down, so beautiful. It’s blissful for you maybe, but for me it’s nothing but complete joy, complete joy. I had told I will not do anything after three years time, I will just settle down. Because the saintly person is not supposed to move from places to places, they must settle, they must have their own ground – that’s called as takiya, and you are not to leave that. But I am your Mother, moving all over. And, can you imagine, I have been to all the world’s places, but never to Australia before, so to come here first thing was so great that even today I have not been able to put all that into words. May God bless you!

3/22/1981

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Sahaja Yoga: a spontaneous happening within us, of union with God.

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Public Program. Maccabean Hall Sydney 22 March 1981 To all the seekers of truth. It’s such a pleasure to come to this great country where there are so many seekers. So many seekers are born in these modern times. There were never born so many, any time before. For example at the time of Christ, He had to gather crowds of people but they had no seeking, they just listened to Him because they felt it was something new. Today, the time has come where many seekers have taken their birth all over the world and they are seeking. This is a fact one has to accept, there’s no hypocrisy about it. Some people don’t understand that the seeking is there and that whatever they’re doing, right or wrong, actually they are seeking within themselves. Today, in the beginning, I will give you a broad line of Sahaja Yoga, the one that means a spontaneous happening within us, of union with God. It’s easy to talk about it, anybody can talk about it. First, when I went to America, people said you must get a patent on your lectures Mother. I just smiled at them. I said, what’s the matter? They said they might use your words and use the same things for their own purpose and maybe that they’ll do a lot of harm to you, I said it’s nice, let them talk about it because that’s what has to happen, people have to know about it, what is there to take a patent for it. We don’t take patent for the light of the sun, and the beauty of the stars. That’s meant for everyone. The main thing is that these lecturings and all such ventures are of no use at all unless and until the happening takes place. It should happen to you. It’s an actualisation. It is the becoming which is important. It’s not reading about it, it’s a living force within us which has made us a human being from amoeba and it’s the same living force which is going to make us a higher personality, a prophet. As William Blake has very clearly said, that men of God will become prophets and the day will come when these prophets will have special capacity to transform other people as prophets, that time has come today. William Blake could see hundred years back the working of Sahaja Yoga and today you can see the actualisation. Before you today they have placed the diagram of our being. It’s a very complicated stuff, they have tried to make it a simple diagram for you though it looks still complicated. For example when you are sitting in this room, supposing there was no light, one has to just tell you that, just push the button and all the lights will be on. But behind this happening there’s a big history of electricity and a big mechanism and a great organisation that does it. It’s not just the pushing of the button. Now my situation is such that I can push the button, alright, but people want to know the history and all the headache about it, so I have to explain to you what is it about. Here you see the subtle force, the subtle being within us. This is a human being which has evolved to this stage of awareness and that he has to become that dynamic awareness. If you try to make any instrument, say for example, you try to make this microphone, people would definitely ask, what’s the purpose? Until it is connected to the mains it has no purpose at all. In the same way you are created to be beautiful human beings and you are to be connected to the mains, otherwise you do not find your absolute value. Now the Kundalini about which many people have talked, I mean they have written books after books, and I was shocked for they do not know anything about it, and how could they write such big books, from where did they get the knowledge? This Kundalini is a very simple thing. It is the pure desire within us, that one has to become one with the Spirit, is the pure desire. So that through the Spirit, we know God. This pure desire, this power of pure desire exists within us as Kundalini. The whole being manifested, but still it is sleeping. It’s completely there, after creating the whole being as a human being, still it is sleeping, because that power of desire has not got the chance to manifest itself. Now for this desire of power, people think that you can excite it or something. Some people have started enterprises of Kundalini yoga, of Kundalini awakening. It is not a commercial stuff, it is not! It’s a living process. You cannot commercialise it. You cannot pay for it. We have got brains, you are human beings, you must understand that we cannot pay for the Divine Love. On the contrary, you insult it, if you talk of money. God doesn’t understand money, it’s in your myth, human beings have created it, He does not know what money is. You cannot pay for it! You cannot put in any effort for it. For becoming a fruit, a flower doesn’t put in any effort or any money. How much money did you pay to become a human being from a monkey? What effort did you put in to do that? It is spontaneous. Like a seed which sprouts through its primule and the same primule becomes the root and the shoot and the little cell at the tip of the root works out all the digging by itself, spontaneously. Only living things can be spontaneous And then the shoot rises by itself, becomes the leaves and becomes the flowers and then the fruit. The whole map of its being is microscopically placed in that seed. In the same way within us is placed the primule, the germinating force, called as Kundalini. And this force which exists within us in three and a half coils. There’s a big mathematics about it, which I think I cannot discuss it today, but sometime we’ll discuss it. Now it is very important to see the position of Kundalini. It is placed in the triangular bone, this bone is called as sacrum, the sacrum word comes from the Greek language. Greeks must have known this, that this is the sacred bone, so they called it sacrum, it’s most surprising. When they came to Australia, some Greeks, they must have felt the vibrations of your river, so they called it Parramatta. Have you ever thought of what does that mean? It means the Holy Ghost. Para is beyond, supreme; Mata is the Mother. Some realised soul must have felt the vibrations of this river and they must have named it. In the same way they must have felt that this bone is something special, and this is the last bone that gets burnt up when the body is completely burnt under electrical pressure. Now this force resides in this bone, and you can see with your own eyes. Today in the university many students saw it, the pulsation of the Kundalini in the bone. Now can you do that, any one of you, by jumping or by shouting or by screaming or by chanting or by paying? Whatever you can do cannot be divine. Divine has to be something that is beyond human endeavour. You can jump, you can shout, you can do this, you can do that, but you cannot transform a flower into a fruit. And this miracle you see every day, billions and billions of these, we take it for granted. We have taken our human awareness also for granted. It’s a good thing, otherwise we start thinking about it, we go into another tension mounting upon our heads. Now this force lies above the first centre. The first centre is the centre called as Mooladhara Chakra. Now this is a very big confusion, one of the biggest in the modern times. As it is, modern times are known to be full of confusions only. Only in confusions we have to find the truth, unless and until there is confusion, there cannot be that seeking. And this confusion has reached such a stage, that we are confused even about Kundalini. And there are people who have worked hard to confuse us also. This important point, that the first centre within us which is the centre of innocence, is placed below the Kundalini, is extremely important to understand. And that Kundalini resides in the triangular bone which is Mooladhara. So the centre of this power lies below the Kundalini. This is a very important point which I am going to tell you today. The last centre within us, the seventh centre within us, manifests the pelvic plexus. I don’t know if you are doctors here, but I’ll tell you the pelvic plexus, that’s the excretion within our body. All that is excreted is manifested through this subtle centre within us, which is below the sacrum bone, is a subtle centre. It looks after the prostate gland. Now this is the centre of innocence. Innocence is the first thing God has created on this earth; is holiness, is beauty of God, is love. And this innocence resides within us below the Kundalini, and in my next lecture in the same hall I will be speaking in details about it, how it manifests other aspects in our life. But why this is an important point, that it is placed lower than the Kundalini, because it says that our excretion is done by pelvic plexus which is manifested by this particular centre called as Mooladhara Chakra, has nothing to do with Kundalini. It is very important to know this fact, that sex has nothing to do with Kundalini. If sexual manifestation is going to take you to God, animals would be much faster in their evolution than you are. We have nothing to learn from animals. We are human beings. Those who want to learn from animals will become animals. Are we to become the frogs and earthworms now, or we have to become a superior personality? A personality who is completely in command, who is the master. Or are we to be slaves of our problems? How can we become masters of ourselves if we give in our own being, to things that destroy? So one has to understand this point very very clearly, that sex has nothing to do with Kundalini. It cannot. Before us is placed Christ. I’m surprised that people who have known Christ, how can they accept such an absurd thing, like by doing sex in a perverted manner you will reach God? Are we now going to become just sex points? Have we no self-esteem left in ourselves to understand that we are much more than a sex point, a mere sex point. This is the best way of ruining people. This is the best way of enticing people, but I tell you, you are seekers, and out and out you are seekers! You must not listen until you have found out your Spirit. You are not going to be satisfied with all these nonsensical ideas. You will come back. I know one day all of you will have to come back. But that time you will be so ruined that I may not be able to help you. It’s a very clear-cut thing to understand that sex has nothing to do with Kundalini awakening. She is your pure Mother. She is the Mother who is individually with you. Forget your concepts and forget your identifications. Please try to understand. She is your Mother, waiting for ages to give you your real birth. She is the Holy Ghost within you. She has to give you your realisation and She’s just waiting and waiting to do it. I have seen some people, who have a Kundalini, which just, like a wounded serpent is bending Her head all sides and just breaking Her body. I have seen people with holes in the Kundalini, how much we have harmed ourselves by foolish ideas, by listening to those people who are just trying to make money out of us and befool us. There are some destroying forces that have come on this earth. Not some, but many and they are very speedy. It’s very easy to destroy something, but to construct is such a difficult thing and to construct something living is even more difficult. Just we are enamoured because we think it’s easy. There are people who think that if you enrol yourself as somebody’s disciple you’ll be saved. How can you be saved ? You have to grow yourself. You have to become. You must know what powers have you got from any one of them. Those who say that you should have sexual freedom, 0h animals have all that, what is so special about getting a sexual freedom? I can’t understand. I mean in India you know how much people are producing children without going to any one of these gurus. On the contrary these gurus make you impotent and they teach you about the sex so that you feel that as if the sexual act is a very big thing to be achieved. It’s such a simple thing to do and for people who are impotent it is a very great thing, no doubt, but for people who are normal and natural it’s so simple, just like going to the bathroom. Why make such an ado about things which are so simple. This has gone too far now. They have also suggested that you can raise the Kundalini by sex. It’s like the mother being connected to the child in a very dirty manner. People might say that Freud talked about it. Freud was another half-baked fellow, I must say. Absolutely half-baked without any wisdom about him. He must have had some problems like this himself, he was an abnormal personality to begin with. Apart from that all these psychologists meet only abnormal people. Do they meet ever a normal personality? Who will go to a psychologist who is normal ? Always mad people go to them. And these psychologists catch from the mad, and become mad. And then they start teaching you something which is really maddening. Now he was so half-baked that he just saw one side of our life. He didn’t know that there was another side and another side. And for him sex became so important. He could see perversions and things and we are really flabbergasted at that. Those who are simple people, say in Indian villages, if you tell them like that they’ll say what’s wrong with the fellow? He must go to lunatic asylum. Now we have to see what have we achieved so far as a human being? What are we as a human being and what have we to achieve? If you see in this diagram (of course you should not take me for granted either). Today as in the TV they asked me a question, that Mother do you mind if we doubt? I said no, on the contrary, I’m very happy, it shows that you are so very free. You have to ask me questions, but when it comes to these fake gurus, you just go headlong. You are so mesmerised you don’t even think what you are doing! And you don’t even see what others have achieved. You see some people jumping on the street, you also join them. You don’t want to find out what power they have achieved, what is their situation, are they better off than us or not, if they have been cured of their troubles or not. On the contrary if you find them you’ll find that they’re recluses. They’re even afraid, sometimes I’ve seen, of vegetables. If you show them a garlic they’ll be frightened. Some of the gurus have this problem also. They are told that you should not take any garlic so if you show them a garlic they’ll start jumping. What is this? Are we going to be frightened of garlic? Are we going to be that kind of a horrible human beings who are frightened of this and that? Now, within us lies on the left hand side, if you see, is the power of desire which comes more from the right. In Sanskrit it is called as Itcha Shakti. This is the psyche about which Mr. Freud has talked, part of it. You see he’s a blind man leading everyone into doom like him. Now this is the one is our past, is our conditioning, is the one that is our subconscious mind and we have a subconscious mind no doubt. But that’s not everything that we have, we have many other things. Now this subconscious mind within us has an area beyond it as the collective subconscious and that’s a dangerous area. When you enter into that area, you contract diseases like cancer. You know that in Sahaja Yoga, we have definitely cured cancer. And I was amazed that those people who have got cancer and who came to me have got cured, were all affected more by the left side than the right side. And that you can find out yourself once you get your enlightenment and you become a realised soul. On the right hand side there is another power, which is called as the power of action. You desire something and you have to act is Kriya Shakti. This is the future. Beyond the future lies the supra-conscious area, or the collective supra-conscious. People have talked about it without telling you where is it within us. They have talked about Christ. Where is Christ within us? They have talked about Krishna, where is Krishna within us? What is the proof that He exists at that particular centre within us? In the centre lies another power by which we have become human beings. The evolutionary power, the sustenance power, the religion, the religion, not the religion that we see but THE religion. Carbon has four valencies. Gold has a quality that it is untarnishable, in the same way a human being has got ten sustenances within it. And this sustenance which sustains it, which says he’s a human being, is the quality of a human being. So, we have three powers within us, in Sahaja Yoga language we call it differently to make it simpler. These three powers exist within us. But the central power is a little cut off, if you see, there’s a gap. This central power by which we evolve has not yet been connected to the mains. You are evolved as human beings but we have not yet got connected with the mains and the cord is the Kundalini. In our heart resides the Spirit. In our heart it resides. It is the reflection of God Almighty. Unless and until you have got your Self Realisation, unless and until you are connected with it, every religion, everything that you do has no meaning. It’s like telephoning a person without any connection. You spoil it. So you have to get connected. As today they asked me another question which was interesting, about Hatha Yoga. I said nobody’s doing Hatha Yoga. They are doing some exercises most indiscriminately because attention is on the body, and that’s why they’re just doing something without understanding why a certain exercise has to be done. Actually the real Hatha Yoga of Patanjali, you have to have Ishwara Pranidhan; that means first your God must be established. First you must be connected. Let the Kundalini rise and then know what chakras are catching, what exercise is needed, what mantra is needed. We have a great organisations in this country, and everywhere else where they give a mantra, Now just think of it. There are six centres, six centres, these are the basic centres, there are many more, I do not want to tell you the number otherwise you’ll be surprised. But six main centres and two on the left and right are sun and the moon. And at the bottom is the seventh. So you can say there are nine centres basically we have to know and there are nine deities on these nine centres. How can you give somebody one mantra? Supposing you have to pass through six gates and you have only one pass, of the fifth one, and you are at the first gate, how will you pass through? These people have no idea and they have given such horrible mantras I was shocked, If you tell an Indian, if there’s an Indian, they’ll be surprised. One of them means tinga means (thumb). Can you imagine this could be a mantra, like this. It’s such a ridiculous thing to say. Horrible things like inga binga dinga, these are no mantras, nothing, this is nonsense! And it’s a mafia going on. They come and tell you in your ears, you see you are not to tell it to anybody. I mean it’s most surprising that at the end it was the fallopian tubes. I said what? Fallopian tubes, how can that be a mantra? And we take it, we take it, we pay for it. People had paid £3,000 and they are given to eat for one week for £3,000, the boiled soup of the boiled potatoes. Just that water, for 5 days, and one day the rind and one day the potatoes to make them that weak so that they could become completely out of their minds and then they can be mesmerised very well. Be careful about these horrible people! They know that you are seekers, and ardently you are seeking. They know that you have money and they want to play upon your ego by saying that you can pay, you must pay, how much money have you got? These are all parasites, of the worst type. These are all parasites, remember, and the day will come when you recognise them, when you’ll be falling on the streets with epilepsy and all kinds of diseases and then you’ll be coming to me. There are already so many people who are coming to me in that condition. I have to warn you again and again, be careful and understand that these people give no knowledge whatsoever, they are just mesmerising you, just mesmerising you, not only because they want to make money but they are bent upon destroying the Kingdom of God. They are bent upon destroying you all because they are satanic people and they want to establish the kingdom of satan. For us it is easy to take to these things, it’s very easy to fall as I told you. But rise is difficult. It’s not so difficult also, spontaneity is so simple, if you know the job you can do it. If there’s a beautiful garden you can easily find out that there must be a gardener behind it who has done the job. If somebody knows the job he can do it. Now this central path is the path through which one has to rise. The Kundalini rises through a very thin line of Brahmanadi, it’s called as Brahmanadi. In the beginning only a hair-like thing rises, it pierces through, in some people of course, in a big way it rises also. And then it pierces this fontanel bone area which is a real baptism, real. Today only, people felt the cool breeze coming out of their heads. Can you do that by jumping or by paying money? They felt the cool breeze in their hand. It’s written in the Bible, even in the Bible very clearly, that it’s the cool breeze, cool breeze is the sign of the Holy Ghost. You start feeling the cool breeze in your hands and you start feeling the cool breeze on your head. This is the actualisation. Of course you people don’t read other books which are very good, like Adi Shankaracharya. People don’t even like the mention of his name who has really and clearly said that it is the cool breeze, the chaitanya is to be felt like cool breeze in the hands. They do not want that you should know the truth. And this is the truth that when you get your realisation, you have to feel the cool breeze in your hands yourself. You have to judge yourself. I’m not going to tell you, it is you who has to see, it is you who has to feel, and then you have to grow and you have to know all and everything, all the secrets of Divine Science. You become the master then, you are the guru. You are the Spirit, and you should get it, it’s your own which is given to you. I have nothing to do about it. I’m just a catalyst I should say, you can do it yourself, once you get realisation you can give realisation. Actually Warren came to me, and Terence, and they had been really lynched by all these gurus and they were so unhappy. Just before leaving for India he telephoned to me from Australia, he telephoned to me. ‘Mother, we have got your telephone, can we come and see You?’ and I knew they were seekers. So first I caught hold of them. You see I don’t work much in the cities, I work in the villages because villagers are easier to get realisation. The other day we were in a village called Kadus, where six thousand people got realisation, it was announced in the paper. So in the cities these gurus work out because they want money and the purse you see, it’s there in the cities. I work in the villages. Poor things had to go to the villages where they don’t even have proper bathrooms. You have to go to the rivers to have your bath and things and it was very spartan for comfortable Australians. But they managed it somehow. And they got their realisation and when they got it, when they came back here they have given realisation in the first shot to 300 people. And now they know such a lot about Kundalini, about awakening, about enlightenment. It’s all logical after realisation, before that it is blind rationality which doesn’t understand anything. This Kundalini is there, your own, sahaja. Saha means with, ja means it’s born with you, it’s within you. It has to only rise with authority, with a person who knows how to do it, One should not feel hurt about it because I’m doing it. You better do it, I’ll be very happy. You see I am a very happily married woman, you know, I don’t need anything. My husband has permitted to go about doing this because he knows nobody can do it. I’ll be very happy if you can do it, really I would like to retire. Moreover why should you feel bad if I do it? After all there are so many things I can’t do. I can’t drive, I can’t type, I don’t know even how to open your tins, I’m so hopelessly bad. So what is there to feel bad about it if I know how to raise the Kundalini, and when it is your right to know yourself and to get it within yourself so that you achieve your real baptism, your real force, and once you have achieved it, first thing that happens is that you become a different personality. You become something so different. The other day a gentleman, old man, who met me in Singapore long time back, he told me that : ‘Mother, after realisation, actually I’ve not even touched it fully, but one thing happened to me I just gave up gambling, smoking and drinking, just like that. What happened to me?” I said, “When you have found out the real, you give up.”When you have found the real diamond, of course, you give up the artificial ones. Because you are bored stiff, because you find life so boring, human beings so boring, life so boring, so uninteresting, full of tensions, full of cruelty, full of problems, you want to take to these things. But once you’ve found out your absolute, your sense of security is absolutely established. And that joy and happiness, the bliss that is promised to you starts pouring down into you. You feel so relaxed. Apart from that, so many things happen to you that it is hard to tell you in this one lecture. I’m going to have many other lectures for you. Now first thing that happens is that physically you get fit. It’s not that I’m going to go to the hospitals to find out who are physically unfit and start an enterprise, alright, pay so much money to cure this disease and all that. No, I do not know how many people I’ve cured, really I do not know, believe me. And I do not know how many my disciples have cured. It’s like the sun shining, it does not know how many leaves have become green. You do not keep notes of people whom you love, and whom you feed. Do you write down how many morsels you have fed the person, do you? This is love. Why do you need the proof ? Why do you need, you are not paying me anything? Do you want to have any proof of the sun? You are not giving me anything. I’m not selling anything. There’s no shop on. You have to get this gift. You have to get it. So why do you want to judge me? If you don’t get it, better try for it. What are you going to gain by knowing about me, it’s not easy to know about me. It’s very very difficult. I’m such a camouflage. It’s a very difficult thing to know. Better thing you know yourself, then you’ll learn. Unless and until you know yourself you won’t know me, so no use asking me questions which are rather embarrassing. I won’t be able to tell you because I’ve become very clever now. Krishna just told one person, Arjuna. He said, give up everything and follow me. He said that after yoga you’ll get the Kshema, means, well-being. Not before. You get the well-being after that because when the Kundalini rises, as I will tell you later on, different centres are enlightened. As a result of that you get the well-being physically, mentally, emotionally, materially, socially, in every way. And spiritually at that. He said after Yoga it will happen, not before that. And that’s what is going to happen to you when you get it. If you don’t get it today don’t get disappointed. I’ve worked for days in and day out and some people have been really very difficult. In that great England, the Jerusalem, according to William Blake, I had to work very very hard. I’ve worked on only six people for four years, can you believe it? Very difficult nuts to be cracked, you see. But once they were cracked it has blown up like anything. And now we have thousands of people who are realised. Of course I do not keep any record of them, there is no organisation, nothing, You only know them through your vibrations by which you know that they are realised or not. Because you become collectively conscious, you become, again and again I say, it’s the becoming. You start feeling others and you start feeling yourself. It is important, vital, absolutely THE thing for you to do. You have to get it, if not today then tomorrow. Why not do it today, it’s a good idea. But after getting it one has to know that, as Christ has described, some seed fell on the rock. In the same way it happens, you have to look after it, you have to make it grow, you have to master it and you have to become the guru yourself. And as I told this morning, you better go and ask all these gurus to pay back the money. This is the best way we can understand that it is beyond rationality. I’m talking about the unlimited, our rationality is limited, our brains are limited. But many things can be understood. So many people reached the conclusion that it is the Kundalini awakening, is the one which is going to give us Self Realisation. Through their limited brain only they reached it. They also reached so many conclusions, that like persons like Jung, the disciple of Mr. Freud the great, was such a sensible man that he said you must get your realisation, you must get your Self Realisation, and he prepared the ground for Sahaja Yoga. For he said when you get your Self Realisation you will become collectively conscious. He has talked about it. So one has to understand that this is not only what I’m saying, this has been said by all the great saints, by all the incarnations, by all the great prophets. Mohammad said, you have to become the (unclear). But you know what they’re doing about religion now. I do not want to fall into controversies but you can yourself judge what have they done out of these incarnations. You give anything to human beings they know how to make a mess out of it. You give them the best thing, the highest, they know how to spoil it. Like I would say that Hindus were told, that atma, the Spirit resides in everybody. They had no business to start the different caste system which depends on the birth. Actually Jati (caste) means a person born with certain aptitudes. For example you are Brahmins, because you are seekers, you are seeking the Brahma, so you are Brahmins. Those who are seeking the power, say, we seek in elections, is the Kshatryas. Like that, these are the aptitudes of personalities which determines a person’s birth. Actually the one who has written Gita himself, was Vyasa, was the illegitimate child of a fisherwoman and how could he say that you are born in a Brahmin family. It’s a capacity, it’s a category. You are the category of those seekers. You are the ones who are going to get realisation. That’s why you are the Brahmin and this category can be anywhere. It could be in Islamic world, it can be in China, and it can be in Russia, it can be in England and it is in Australia. I have, through my husband’s job, I have been to all these countries. I was amazed. I’ve given realisation even to Russians, they’re very good for realisation. But they’ll take time to understand it to that extent. Because you are really free people. You are the people who are free, democratic, who can have more open mind to understand Sahaja Yoga, to achieve it much greater heights. But still I would like to say that freedom doesn’t mean abandonment. It doesn’t mean that. Say in a plane if all the parts of the plane want to have freedom, what will happen to the plane ultimately? We are part and parcel of one whole being. One primordial being, the macrocosm, and we are the cells. We have to relate ourselves to the whole and so we have to find out our relationship, the coordination between different cells, the love, the love between. Last of all I would like to say it is the divine love of God, is the grace of God which has made you a human being and it is His grace which is going to make you a super human being. Because He wants to have that power to flow through you, to make you a hollow personality; like the flute of Shri Krishna, so that you might feel His power and you manoeuvre it. And you enter into the Kingdom of God, because He’s the Father who loves you, loves more than any other father can love. He’s the ocean of love. He forgives all your so called guilts, what guilts can we have, what sins can we commit. You are like little little birds who sometimes feel guilty of bringing a little straw from outside in the house. He is a loving Father. He is a Father who is ocean of forgiveness. He cleanses us completely and He grants His beauty to us and you become His own children, who have been granted all His powers, in their own beauty and its glory, May God bless you! Can I have some water please. Now, there’s a way sometimes people want to ask questions and they’re very anxious to ask questions and sometimes you see they ask also some useless questions. Wasting the time. Now, if you’re hungry actually you should ask for realisation and see that it works. Sometimes these questions can divert your attention. It’s better to have your realisation first, and then ask questions. But the first lecture of introduction, I think it’s better that you ask Me a few questions, it’s better, without any fear, I am your Mother. I know you have to ask questions. There’s somebody putting up a big hand there. You have to ask loudly. Attendee: Are there any dangers… (unclear). Shri Mataji: Not at all. That’s a very good thing. Not at all. Not at all, she is your Mother. You see, the mother takes all the burden upon herself when she give you birth. This is the earthly mother, this is the heavenly mother. No dangers of any kind. But these people are not authorised. It’s like somebody from the village comes and he doesn’t know the electricity and puts his hands into the plugs and says that I got a shock. Naturally you will. The one who knows the job, knows also how to raise the Kundalini. She is your Mother, there is no danger at all. Not at all. Attendee: Do the gurus….unclear. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, I mean that’s what I’m going to make you. You are going to awaken others’ Kundalini no doubt! Yes, yes, hundred times. Attendee: How Shri Mataji: First you have to become. First you have to become which is very simple which I’ll tell you later, all right, how to do it. A: unclear Shri Mataji: It’s for Me to judge. It’s for Me to judge. I don’t find any evil persons much. There are people who are misguided, who have lost their way. There are very few evil people in this world, very few. Actually seekers are not at all evil, poor things they have played into the hands of evil forces. They’ve been ruined, sometimes I weep to see the way they are being exploited. But they are not bad. They are not bad people at all. They are seekers, absolutely beautiful things. Do not think that you are something evil, never think that way. It hurts me. Attendee: Unclear. Yogi: Are you going to raise Kundalini tonight? Shri Mataji: Yes now! Attendee: Unclear Yogi: He is asking whether the Chaitanya is the last avatar of Krishna. Shri Mataji: Chaitanya means, the all pervading divine power of God, which is love, Divine love. It means chaitanya – is all Pranava. It has many names it has. In Sanskrit it is called as the breath, Ruh. And in the Bible it’s called as the Breath of the Holy Ghost. (Unclear) is the power by which is the whole universe is ruled. By which everything that is spontaneous takes place. These three powers are the three aspects of the same. But when you get your realisation you get the integrated force. Actually when we consider analysing a person we are really dividing him. For example you might have a doctor for one eye and another for another. But chaitanya integrates you completely. And the whole power is the vital power of our prana, which is the right-sided, of our manasa, which is the left-sided and of our dharma which is the centre. All these are integrated. Attendee: Unclear Shri Mataji: This complaint is correct, is correct complaint. What’s your age now? Attendee: Thirty Shri Mataji: Only thirty? About ten years back, when you were hardly twenty years I had proclaimed it but nobody wanted to believe Me. It’s the human beings who are to be blamed for that. Who crucified Christ? Why did they not recognise? I have to ask many questions also. Why did you not recognise Him? Why did you not recognise Krishna? Why did you not recognise Rama? Why did you not recognise any saintly personality but these fake horrible things? Why did you recognise them? I talked about all of them, very openly without any fear. Ten years back I went to America and everything. But see, where is Americans gone now? All mad, what to do? They have gone mad.

Public Program. Maccabean Hall Sydney 22 March 1981 To all the seekers of truth. It’s such a pleasure to come to this great country where there are so many seekers. So many seekers are born in these modern times. There were never born so many, any time before. For example at the time of Christ, He had to gather crowds of people but they had no seeking, they just listened to Him because they felt it was something new. Today, the time has come where many seekers have taken their birth all over the world and they are seeking. This is a fact one has to accept, there’s no hypocrisy about it. Some people don’t understand that the seeking is there and that whatever they’re doing, right or wrong, actually they are seeking within themselves. Today, in the beginning, I will give you a broad line of Sahaja Yoga, the one that means a spontaneous happening within us, of union with God. It’s easy to talk about it, anybody can talk about it. First, when I went to America, people said you must get a patent on your lectures Mother. I just smiled at them. I said, what’s the matter? They said they might use your words and use the same things for their own purpose and maybe that they’ll do a lot of harm to you, I said it’s nice, let them talk about it because that’s what has to happen, people have to know about it, what is there to take a patent for it. We don’t take patent for the light of the sun, and the beauty of the stars. That’s meant for everyone. The main thing is that these lecturings and all such ventures are of no use at all unless and until the happening takes place. It should happen to you. It’s an actualisation. It is the becoming which is important. It’s not reading about it, it’s a living force within us which has made us a human being from amoeba and it’s the same living force which is going to make us a higher personality, a prophet. As William Blake has very clearly said, that men of God will become prophets and the day will come when these prophets will have special capacity to transform other people as prophets, that time has come today. William Blake could see hundred years back the working of Sahaja Yoga and today you can see the actualisation. Before you today they have placed the diagram of our being. It’s a very complicated stuff, they have tried to make it a simple diagram for you though it looks still complicated. For example when you are sitting in this room, supposing there was no light, one has to just tell you that, just push the button and all the lights will be on. But behind this happening there’s a big history of electricity and a big mechanism and a great organisation that does it. It’s not just the pushing of the button. Now my situation is such that I can push the button, alright, but people want to know the history and all the headache about it, so I have to explain to you what is it about. Here you see the subtle force, the subtle being within us. This is a human being which has evolved to this stage of awareness and that he has to become that dynamic awareness. If you try to make any instrument, say for example, you try to make this microphone, people would definitely ask, what’s the purpose? Until it is connected to the mains it has no purpose at all. In the same way you are created to be beautiful human beings and you are to be connected to the mains, otherwise you do not find your absolute value. Now the Kundalini about which many people have talked, I mean they have written books after books, and I was shocked for they do not know anything about it, and how could they write such big books, from where did they get the knowledge? This Kundalini is a very simple thing. It is the pure desire within us, that one has to become one with the Spirit, is the pure desire. So that through the Spirit, we know God. This pure desire, this power of pure desire exists within us as Kundalini. The whole being manifested, but still it is sleeping. It’s completely there, after creating the whole being as a human being, still it is sleeping, because that power of desire has not got the chance to manifest itself. Now for this desire of power, people think that you can excite it or something. Some people have started enterprises of Kundalini yoga, of Kundalini awakening. It is not a commercial stuff, it is not! It’s a living process. You cannot commercialise it. You cannot pay for it. We have got brains, you are human beings, you must understand that we cannot pay for the Divine Love. On the contrary, you insult it, if you talk of money. God doesn’t understand money, it’s in your myth, human beings have created it, He does not know what money is. You cannot pay for it! You cannot put in any effort for it. For becoming a fruit, a flower doesn’t put in any effort or any money. How much money did you pay to become a human being from a monkey? What effort did you put in to do that? It is spontaneous. Like a seed which sprouts through its primule and the same primule becomes the root and the shoot and the little cell at the tip of the root works out all the digging by itself, spontaneously. Only living things can be spontaneous And then the shoot rises by itself, becomes the leaves and becomes the flowers and then the fruit. The whole map of its being is microscopically placed in that seed. In the same way within us is placed the primule, the germinating force, called as Kundalini. And this force which exists within us in three and a half coils. There’s a big mathematics about it, which I think I cannot discuss it today, but sometime we’ll discuss it. Now it is very important to see the position of Kundalini. It is placed in the triangular bone, this bone is called as sacrum, the sacrum word comes from the Greek language. Greeks must have known this, that this is the sacred bone, so they called it sacrum, it’s most surprising. When they came to Australia, some Greeks, they must have felt the vibrations of your river, so they called it Parramatta. Have you ever thought of what does that mean? It means the Holy Ghost. Para is beyond, supreme; Mata is the Mother. Some realised soul must have felt the vibrations of this river and they must have named it. In the same way they must have felt that this bone is something special, and this is the last bone that gets burnt up when the body is completely burnt under electrical pressure. Now this force resides in this bone, and you can see with your own eyes. Today in the university many students saw it, the pulsation of the Kundalini in the bone. Now can you do that, any one of you, by jumping or by shouting or by screaming or by chanting or by paying? Whatever you can do cannot be divine. Divine has to be something that is beyond human endeavour. You can jump, you can shout, you can do this, you can do that, but you cannot transform a flower into a fruit. And this miracle you see every day, billions and billions of these, we take it for granted. We have taken our human awareness also for granted. It’s a good thing, otherwise we start thinking about it, we go into another tension mounting upon our heads. Now this force lies above the first centre. The first centre is the centre called as Mooladhara Chakra. Now this is a very big confusion, one of the biggest in the modern times. As it is, modern times are known to be full of confusions only. Only in confusions we have to find the truth, unless and until there is confusion, there cannot be that seeking. And this confusion has reached such a stage, that we are confused even about Kundalini. And there are people who have worked hard to confuse us also. This important point, that the first centre within us which is the centre of innocence, is placed below the Kundalini, is extremely important to understand. And that Kundalini resides in the triangular bone which is Mooladhara. So the centre of this power lies below the Kundalini. This is a very important point which I am going to tell you today. The last centre within us, the seventh centre within us, manifests the pelvic plexus. I don’t know if you are doctors here, but I’ll tell you the pelvic plexus, that’s the excretion within our body. All that is excreted is manifested through this subtle centre within us, which is below the sacrum bone, is a subtle centre. It looks after the prostate gland. Now this is the centre of innocence. Innocence is the first thing God has created on this earth; is holiness, is beauty of God, is love. And this innocence resides within us below the Kundalini, and in my next lecture in the same hall I will be speaking in details about it, how it manifests other aspects in our life. But why this is an important point, that it is placed lower than the Kundalini, because it says that our excretion is done by pelvic plexus which is manifested by this particular centre called as Mooladhara Chakra, has nothing to do with Kundalini. It is very important to know this fact, that sex has nothing to do with Kundalini. If sexual manifestation is going to take you to God, animals would be much faster in their evolution than you are. We have nothing to learn from animals. We are human beings. Those who want to learn from animals will become animals. Are we to become the frogs and earthworms now, or we have to become a superior personality? A personality who is completely in command, who is the master. Or are we to be slaves of our problems? How can we become masters of ourselves if we give in our own being, to things that destroy? So one has to understand this point very very clearly, that sex has nothing to do with Kundalini. It cannot. Before us is placed Christ. I’m surprised that people who have known Christ, how can they accept such an absurd thing, like by doing sex in a perverted manner you will reach God? Are we now going to become just sex points? Have we no self-esteem left in ourselves to understand that we are much more than a sex point, a mere sex point. This is the best way of ruining people. This is the best way of enticing people, but I tell you, you are seekers, and out and out you are seekers! You must not listen until you have found out your Spirit. You are not going to be satisfied with all these nonsensical ideas. You will come back. I know one day all of you will have to come back. But that time you will be so ruined that I may not be able to help you. It’s a very clear-cut thing to understand that sex has nothing to do with Kundalini awakening. She is your pure Mother. She is the Mother who is individually with you. Forget your concepts and forget your identifications. Please try to understand. She is your Mother, waiting for ages to give you your real birth. She is the Holy Ghost within you. She has to give you your realisation and She’s just waiting and waiting to do it. I have seen some people, who have a Kundalini, which just, like a wounded serpent is bending Her head all sides and just breaking Her body. I have seen people with holes in the Kundalini, how much we have harmed ourselves by foolish ideas, by listening to those people who are just trying to make money out of us and befool us. There are some destroying forces that have come on this earth. Not some, but many and they are very speedy. It’s very easy to destroy something, but to construct is such a difficult thing and to construct something living is even more difficult. Just we are enamoured because we think it’s easy. There are people who think that if you enrol yourself as somebody’s disciple you’ll be saved. How can you be saved ? You have to grow yourself. You have to become. You must know what powers have you got from any one of them. Those who say that you should have sexual freedom, 0h animals have all that, what is so special about getting a sexual freedom? I can’t understand. I mean in India you know how much people are producing children without going to any one of these gurus. On the contrary these gurus make you impotent and they teach you about the sex so that you feel that as if the sexual act is a very big thing to be achieved. It’s such a simple thing to do and for people who are impotent it is a very great thing, no doubt, but for people who are normal and natural it’s so simple, just like going to the bathroom. Why make such an ado about things which are so simple. This has gone too far now. They have also suggested that you can raise the Kundalini by sex. It’s like the mother being connected to the child in a very dirty manner. People might say that Freud talked about it. Freud was another half-baked fellow, I must say. Absolutely half-baked without any wisdom about him. He must have had some problems like this himself, he was an abnormal personality to begin with. Apart from that all these psychologists meet only abnormal people. Do they meet ever a normal personality? Who will go to a psychologist who is normal ? Always mad people go to them. And these psychologists catch from the mad, and become mad. And then they start teaching you something which is really maddening. Now he was so half-baked that he just saw one side of our life. He didn’t know that there was another side and another side. And for him sex became so important. He could see perversions and things and we are really flabbergasted at that. Those who are simple people, say in Indian villages, if you tell them like that they’ll say what’s wrong with the fellow? He must go to lunatic asylum. Now we have to see what have we achieved so far as a human being? What are we as a human being and what have we to achieve? If you see in this diagram (of course you should not take me for granted either). Today as in the TV they asked me a question, that Mother do you mind if we doubt? I said no, on the contrary, I’m very happy, it shows that you are so very free. You have to ask me questions, but when it comes to these fake gurus, you just go headlong. You are so mesmerised you don’t even think what you are doing! And you don’t even see what others have achieved. You see some people jumping on the street, you also join them. You don’t want to find out what power they have achieved, what is their situation, are they better off than us or not, if they have been cured of their troubles or not. On the contrary if you find them you’ll find that they’re recluses. They’re even afraid, sometimes I’ve seen, of vegetables. If you show them a garlic they’ll be frightened. Some of the gurus have this problem also. They are told that you should not take any garlic so if you show them a garlic they’ll start jumping. What is this? Are we going to be frightened of garlic? Are we going to be that kind of a horrible human beings who are frightened of this and that? Now, within us lies on the left hand side, if you see, is the power of desire which comes more from the right. In Sanskrit it is called as Itcha Shakti. This is the psyche about which Mr. Freud has talked, part of it. You see he’s a blind man leading everyone into doom like him. Now this is the one is our past, is our conditioning, is the one that is our subconscious mind and we have a subconscious mind no doubt. But that’s not everything that we have, we have many other things. Now this subconscious mind within us has an area beyond it as the collective subconscious and that’s a dangerous area. When you enter into that area, you contract diseases like cancer. You know that in Sahaja Yoga, we have definitely cured cancer. And I was amazed that those people who have got cancer and who came to me have got cured, were all affected more by the left side than the right side. And that you can find out yourself once you get your enlightenment and you become a realised soul. On the right hand side there is another power, which is called as the power of action. You desire something and you have to act is Kriya Shakti. This is the future. Beyond the future lies the supra-conscious area, or the collective supra-conscious. People have talked about it without telling you where is it within us. They have talked about Christ. Where is Christ within us? They have talked about Krishna, where is Krishna within us? What is the proof that He exists at that particular centre within us? In the centre lies another power by which we have become human beings. The evolutionary power, the sustenance power, the religion, the religion, not the religion that we see but THE religion. Carbon has four valencies. Gold has a quality that it is untarnishable, in the same way a human being has got ten sustenances within it. And this sustenance which sustains it, which says he’s a human being, is the quality of a human being. So, we have three powers within us, in Sahaja Yoga language we call it differently to make it simpler. These three powers exist within us. But the central power is a little cut off, if you see, there’s a gap. This central power by which we evolve has not yet been connected to the mains. You are evolved as human beings but we have not yet got connected with the mains and the cord is the Kundalini. In our heart resides the Spirit. In our heart it resides. It is the reflection of God Almighty. Unless and until you have got your Self Realisation, unless and until you are connected with it, every religion, everything that you do has no meaning. It’s like telephoning a person without any connection. You spoil it. So you have to get connected. As today they asked me another question which was interesting, about Hatha Yoga. I said nobody’s doing Hatha Yoga. They are doing some exercises most indiscriminately because attention is on the body, and that’s why they’re just doing something without understanding why a certain exercise has to be done. Actually the real Hatha Yoga of Patanjali, you have to have Ishwara Pranidhan; that means first your God must be established. First you must be connected. Let the Kundalini rise and then know what chakras are catching, what exercise is needed, what mantra is needed. We have a great organisations in this country, and everywhere else where they give a mantra, Now just think of it. There are six centres, six centres, these are the basic centres, there are many more, I do not want to tell you the number otherwise you’ll be surprised. But six main centres and two on the left and right are sun and the moon. And at the bottom is the seventh. So you can say there are nine centres basically we have to know and there are nine deities on these nine centres. How can you give somebody one mantra? Supposing you have to pass through six gates and you have only one pass, of the fifth one, and you are at the first gate, how will you pass through? These people have no idea and they have given such horrible mantras I was shocked, If you tell an Indian, if there’s an Indian, they’ll be surprised. One of them means tinga means (thumb). Can you imagine this could be a mantra, like this. It’s such a ridiculous thing to say. Horrible things like inga binga dinga, these are no mantras, nothing, this is nonsense! And it’s a mafia going on. They come and tell you in your ears, you see you are not to tell it to anybody. I mean it’s most surprising that at the end it was the fallopian tubes. I said what? Fallopian tubes, how can that be a mantra? And we take it, we take it, we pay for it. People had paid £3,000 and they are given to eat for one week for £3,000, the boiled soup of the boiled potatoes. Just that water, for 5 days, and one day the rind and one day the potatoes to make them that weak so that they could become completely out of their minds and then they can be mesmerised very well. Be careful about these horrible people! They know that you are seekers, and ardently you are seeking. They know that you have money and they want to play upon your ego by saying that you can pay, you must pay, how much money have you got? These are all parasites, of the worst type. These are all parasites, remember, and the day will come when you recognise them, when you’ll be falling on the streets with epilepsy and all kinds of diseases and then you’ll be coming to me. There are already so many people who are coming to me in that condition. I have to warn you again and again, be careful and understand that these people give no knowledge whatsoever, they are just mesmerising you, just mesmerising you, not only because they want to make money but they are bent upon destroying the Kingdom of God. They are bent upon destroying you all because they are satanic people and they want to establish the kingdom of satan. For us it is easy to take to these things, it’s very easy to fall as I told you. But rise is difficult. It’s not so difficult also, spontaneity is so simple, if you know the job you can do it. If there’s a beautiful garden you can easily find out that there must be a gardener behind it who has done the job. If somebody knows the job he can do it. Now this central path is the path through which one has to rise. The Kundalini rises through a very thin line of Brahmanadi, it’s called as Brahmanadi. In the beginning only a hair-like thing rises, it pierces through, in some people of course, in a big way it rises also. And then it pierces this fontanel bone area which is a real baptism, real. Today only, people felt the cool breeze coming out of their heads. Can you do that by jumping or by paying money? They felt the cool breeze in their hand. It’s written in the Bible, even in the Bible very clearly, that it’s the cool breeze, cool breeze is the sign of the Holy Ghost. You start feeling the cool breeze in your hands and you start feeling the cool breeze on your head. This is the actualisation. Of course you people don’t read other books which are very good, like Adi Shankaracharya. People don’t even like the mention of his name who has really and clearly said that it is the cool breeze, the chaitanya is to be felt like cool breeze in the hands. They do not want that you should know the truth. And this is the truth that when you get your realisation, you have to feel the cool breeze in your hands yourself. You have to judge yourself. I’m not going to tell you, it is you who has to see, it is you who has to feel, and then you have to grow and you have to know all and everything, all the secrets of Divine Science. You become the master then, you are the guru. You are the Spirit, and you should get it, it’s your own which is given to you. I have nothing to do about it. I’m just a catalyst I should say, you can do it yourself, once you get realisation you can give realisation. Actually Warren came to me, and Terence, and they had been really lynched by all these gurus and they were so unhappy. Just before leaving for India he telephoned to me from Australia, he telephoned to me. ‘Mother, we have got your telephone, can we come and see You?’ and I knew they were seekers. So first I caught hold of them. You see I don’t work much in the cities, I work in the villages because villagers are easier to get realisation. The other day we were in a village called Kadus, where six thousand people got realisation, it was announced in the paper. So in the cities these gurus work out because they want money and the purse you see, it’s there in the cities. I work in the villages. Poor things had to go to the villages where they don’t even have proper bathrooms. You have to go to the rivers to have your bath and things and it was very spartan for comfortable Australians. But they managed it somehow. And they got their realisation and when they got it, when they came back here they have given realisation in the first shot to 300 people. And now they know such a lot about Kundalini, about awakening, about enlightenment. It’s all logical after realisation, before that it is blind rationality which doesn’t understand anything. This Kundalini is there, your own, sahaja. Saha means with, ja means it’s born with you, it’s within you. It has to only rise with authority, with a person who knows how to do it, One should not feel hurt about it because I’m doing it. You better do it, I’ll be very happy. You see I am a very happily married woman, you know, I don’t need anything. My husband has permitted to go about doing this because he knows nobody can do it. I’ll be very happy if you can do it, really I would like to retire. Moreover why should you feel bad if I do it? After all there are so many things I can’t do. I can’t drive, I can’t type, I don’t know even how to open your tins, I’m so hopelessly bad. So what is there to feel bad about it if I know how to raise the Kundalini, and when it is your right to know yourself and to get it within yourself so that you achieve your real baptism, your real force, and once you have achieved it, first thing that happens is that you become a different personality. You become something so different. The other day a gentleman, old man, who met me in Singapore long time back, he told me that : ‘Mother, after realisation, actually I’ve not even touched it fully, but one thing happened to me I just gave up gambling, smoking and drinking, just like that. What happened to me?” I said, “When you have found out the real, you give up.”When you have found the real diamond, of course, you give up the artificial ones. Because you are bored stiff, because you find life so boring, human beings so boring, life so boring, so uninteresting, full of tensions, full of cruelty, full of problems, you want to take to these things. But once you’ve found out your absolute, your sense of security is absolutely established. And that joy and happiness, the bliss that is promised to you starts pouring down into you. You feel so relaxed. Apart from that, so many things happen to you that it is hard to tell you in this one lecture. I’m going to have many other lectures for you. Now first thing that happens is that physically you get fit. It’s not that I’m going to go to the hospitals to find out who are physically unfit and start an enterprise, alright, pay so much money to cure this disease and all that. No, I do not know how many people I’ve cured, really I do not know, believe me. And I do not know how many my disciples have cured. It’s like the sun shining, it does not know how many leaves have become green. You do not keep notes of people whom you love, and whom you feed. Do you write down how many morsels you have fed the person, do you? This is love. Why do you need the proof ? Why do you need, you are not paying me anything? Do you want to have any proof of the sun? You are not giving me anything. I’m not selling anything. There’s no shop on. You have to get this gift. You have to get it. So why do you want to judge me? If you don’t get it, better try for it. What are you going to gain by knowing about me, it’s not easy to know about me. It’s very very difficult. I’m such a camouflage. It’s a very difficult thing to know. Better thing you know yourself, then you’ll learn. Unless and until you know yourself you won’t know me, so no use asking me questions which are rather embarrassing. I won’t be able to tell you because I’ve become very clever now. Krishna just told one person, Arjuna. He said, give up everything and follow me. He said that after yoga you’ll get the Kshema, means, well-being. Not before. You get the well-being after that because when the Kundalini rises, as I will tell you later on, different centres are enlightened. As a result of that you get the well-being physically, mentally, emotionally, materially, socially, in every way. And spiritually at that. He said after Yoga it will happen, not before that. And that’s what is going to happen to you when you get it. If you don’t get it today don’t get disappointed. I’ve worked for days in and day out and some people have been really very difficult. In that great England, the Jerusalem, according to William Blake, I had to work very very hard. I’ve worked on only six people for four years, can you believe it? Very difficult nuts to be cracked, you see. But once they were cracked it has blown up like anything. And now we have thousands of people who are realised. Of course I do not keep any record of them, there is no organisation, nothing, You only know them through your vibrations by which you know that they are realised or not. Because you become collectively conscious, you become, again and again I say, it’s the becoming. You start feeling others and you start feeling yourself. It is important, vital, absolutely THE thing for you to do. You have to get it, if not today then tomorrow. Why not do it today, it’s a good idea. But after getting it one has to know that, as Christ has described, some seed fell on the rock. In the same way it happens, you have to look after it, you have to make it grow, you have to master it and you have to become the guru yourself. And as I told this morning, you better go and ask all these gurus to pay back the money. This is the best way we can understand that it is beyond rationality. I’m talking about the unlimited, our rationality is limited, our brains are limited. But many things can be understood. So many people reached the conclusion that it is the Kundalini awakening, is the one which is going to give us Self Realisation. Through their limited brain only they reached it. They also reached so many conclusions, that like persons like Jung, the disciple of Mr. Freud the great, was such a sensible man that he said you must get your realisation, you must get your Self Realisation, and he prepared the ground for Sahaja Yoga. For he said when you get your Self Realisation you will become collectively conscious. He has talked about it. So one has to understand that this is not only what I’m saying, this has been said by all the great saints, by all the incarnations, by all the great prophets. Mohammad said, you have to become the (unclear). But you know what they’re doing about religion now. I do not want to fall into controversies but you can yourself judge what have they done out of these incarnations. You give anything to human beings they know how to make a mess out of it. You give them the best thing, the highest, they know how to spoil it. Like I would say that Hindus were told, that atma, the Spirit resides in everybody. They had no business to start the different caste system which depends on the birth. Actually Jati (caste) means a person born with certain aptitudes. For example you are Brahmins, because you are seekers, you are seeking the Brahma, so you are Brahmins. Those who are seeking the power, say, we seek in elections, is the Kshatryas. Like that, these are the aptitudes of personalities which determines a person’s birth. Actually the one who has written Gita himself, was Vyasa, was the illegitimate child of a fisherwoman and how could he say that you are born in a Brahmin family. It’s a capacity, it’s a category. You are the category of those seekers. You are the ones who are going to get realisation. That’s why you are the Brahmin and this category can be anywhere. It could be in Islamic world, it can be in China, and it can be in Russia, it can be in England and it is in Australia. I have, through my husband’s job, I have been to all these countries. I was amazed. I’ve given realisation even to Russians, they’re very good for realisation. But they’ll take time to understand it to that extent. Because you are really free people. You are the people who are free, democratic, who can have more open mind to understand Sahaja Yoga, to achieve it much greater heights. But still I would like to say that freedom doesn’t mean abandonment. It doesn’t mean that. Say in a plane if all the parts of the plane want to have freedom, what will happen to the plane ultimately? We are part and parcel of one whole being. One primordial being, the macrocosm, and we are the cells. We have to relate ourselves to the whole and so we have to find out our relationship, the coordination between different cells, the love, the love between. Last of all I would like to say it is the divine love of God, is the grace of God which has made you a human being and it is His grace which is going to make you a super human being. Because He wants to have that power to flow through you, to make you a hollow personality; like the flute of Shri Krishna, so that you might feel His power and you manoeuvre it. And you enter into the Kingdom of God, because He’s the Father who loves you, loves more than any other father can love. He’s the ocean of love. He forgives all your so called guilts, what guilts can we have, what sins can we commit. You are like little little birds who sometimes feel guilty of bringing a little straw from outside in the house. He is a loving Father. He is a Father who is ocean of forgiveness. He cleanses us completely and He grants His beauty to us and you become His own children, who have been granted all His powers, in their own beauty and its glory, May God bless you! Can I have some water please. Now, there’s a way sometimes people want to ask questions and they’re very anxious to ask questions and sometimes you see they ask also some useless questions. Wasting the time. Now, if you’re hungry actually you should ask for realisation and see that it works. Sometimes these questions can divert your attention. It’s better to have your realisation first, and then ask questions. But the first lecture of introduction, I think it’s better that you ask Me a few questions, it’s better, without any fear, I am your Mother. I know you have to ask questions. There’s somebody putting up a big hand there. You have to ask loudly. Attendee: Are there any dangers… (unclear). Shri Mataji: Not at all. That’s a very good thing. Not at all. Not at all, she is your Mother. You see, the mother takes all the burden upon herself when she give you birth. This is the earthly mother, this is the heavenly mother. No dangers of any kind. But these people are not authorised. It’s like somebody from the village comes and he doesn’t know the electricity and puts his hands into the plugs and says that I got a shock. Naturally you will. The one who knows the job, knows also how to raise the Kundalini. She is your Mother, there is no danger at all. Not at all. Attendee: Do the gurus….unclear. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, I mean that’s what I’m going to make you. You are going to awaken others’ Kundalini no doubt! Yes, yes, hundred times. Attendee: How Shri Mataji: First you have to become. First you have to become which is very simple which I’ll tell you later, all right, how to do it. A: unclear Shri Mataji: It’s for Me to judge. It’s for Me to judge. I don’t find any evil persons much. There are people who are misguided, who have lost their way. There are very few evil people in this world, very few. Actually seekers are not at all evil, poor things they have played into the hands of evil forces. They’ve been ruined, sometimes I weep to see the way they are being exploited. But they are not bad. They are not bad people at all. They are seekers, absolutely beautiful things. Do not think that you are something evil, never think that way. It hurts me. Attendee: Unclear. Yogi: Are you going to raise Kundalini tonight? Shri Mataji: Yes now! Attendee: Unclear Yogi: He is asking whether the Chaitanya is the last avatar of Krishna. Shri Mataji: Chaitanya means, the all pervading divine power of God, which is love, Divine love. It means chaitanya – is all Pranava. It has many names it has. In Sanskrit it is called as the breath, Ruh. And in the Bible it’s called as the Breath of the Holy Ghost. (Unclear) is the power by which is the whole universe is ruled. By which everything that is spontaneous takes place. These three powers are the three aspects of the same. But when you get your realisation you get the integrated force. Actually when we consider analysing a person we are really dividing him. For example you might have a doctor for one eye and another for another. But chaitanya integrates you completely. And the whole power is the vital power of our prana, which is the right-sided, of our manasa, which is the left-sided and of our dharma which is the centre. All these are integrated. Attendee: Unclear Shri Mataji: This complaint is correct, is correct complaint. What’s your age now? Attendee: Thirty Shri Mataji: Only thirty? About ten years back, when you were hardly twenty years I had proclaimed it but nobody wanted to believe Me. It’s the human beings who are to be blamed for that. Who crucified Christ? Why did they not recognise? I have to ask many questions also. Why did you not recognise Him? Why did you not recognise Krishna? Why did you not recognise Rama? Why did you not recognise any saintly personality but these fake horrible things? Why did you recognise them? I talked about all of them, very openly without any fear. Ten years back I went to America and everything. But see, where is Americans gone now? All mad, what to do? They have gone mad.

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Public Programme Day 1 at University of New South Wales. Sydney (Australia), 23 March 1981. Such a joyous moment to be with seekers, to be with young people who are seeking.I have come for the first time to Australia, I should have come much earlier I think sometimes, the way some of the seekers are ruined by some of these horrible people who are around. One has to know that you cannot pay for God's love, you cannot pay for it, you cannot organise it, it is something that God has given you already, that is within you.You cannot manufacture it, you cannot copy it. What happened to you when you become a human being from amoeba? How much did you pay for that? Who organised that for you? If there is living God, if he exists, and if there is his living love , then whatever has happened to you or will happen to you, and has to happen to you, has to be absolutely living, it cannot be some sensational thing or some sort of funny gesture or contortions in your body which you cannot control.You have to have complete control over yourself, that's the first thing that should happen to you that you should be master of yourself. But, we are deluded very much and impressed by the sophistication. Those who are true seekers will have to come to Sahaja Yoga.Now Sahaja Yoga means spontaneous happening within you it's not a rational thing, you cannot put in any effort for it. Some people will not get it what ever I may try or you may try, they just can't get it, but most of them should get it's a spontaneous happening that takes place within you. Because now we have reached a stage of our evolution where we have to have the break through into the absolute, otherwise the chaos of this world is not going to die!! That's your due, that's your right.Yoga means union with God. It means union with your spirit. It's no other nonsense that people talk, Sahaja means: Saha means 'with', Ja means 'born'.It's within you, it's spontaneous, like every seed has a primule in it, you too have that power within you, just placed there in the sacrum, the triangular bone. So many people who are real scholars, who are seekers, have reached the conclusion that it is the awakening of the Kundalini only that gives you your second birth, your baptism, but they do not know how it will work out because it is a living force. You cannot pull our the primule out of the seed, you cannot not force a flower to become a fruit, you cannot pay money for it, you cannot rationalise it or mock at it or laugh at it or if you doubt it whatever it is. It will work out when it has to work out. In the same way today we are at the junction of a great happening, en-masse realisation has to take place, evolution has to take place, otherwise this creation will have no meaning, you will have no meaning either.So don't worry for cheap sensations and sensational stuff that is around, you have to ask for the real and that real you will only ask for if you have self esteem, that you understand that you have to get the real and not something that you can purchase on the market!! Whatever you can do is not divine, so, because you are doing no living work whatsoever!But after realisation you can do, living work because your awareness itself becomes dynamic as it is meant. I had a very long interview just now with lots of journalists and TV people and radio people and I was surprised, they were very, very wise and extremely deeply interested in the real seeking and the questions they asked.The first and foremost question that they asked was 'What is this Kundalini?" Was very good because they didn't ask any mundane questions. Do you play this, do you do this, all this nonsense they didn't ask me. They said, 'What is this Kundalini?' which is a very sensible and a wise question. This won't come to a stupid man! What is Kundalini? One should know what it is! If you have come here with a curiosity about it, at least you must ask such a question as to what is Kundalini? Because nothing is telling you. You should ask me questions .... and if you go to a Shakti there's something what we call a gift, if you want to have, you can have it. If you don't want to have I cannot force it down your throat! You have to choose it in all your freedom and understanding.Now this Kundalini is the pure desire, the power of desire within us which is placed in the triangular bone called Sacrum. Which remains the whole even after creating the whole of you as you look like a human being. It's just the same, till you get your Realisation, till you get your absolute, it will remain. You may go to thousands of gurus, do what you like.There are people I have seen who are so identified with their guru's that they don't even realise that they haven't any powers within them, nothing, and still they are identified with them.Unless and until you get your spirit you are not going to be satisfied, you try anything else because you are a category and category of a seeker. There may be some who are not, who are just posing, they can be discovered very easily, the Kundalini rises only in the presence of a holy person who is a realised soul, that's why they say you must get a Satguru, which is a guru who is a Realised Soul, but how many there are.They are shocking enterprises, they are mesmerising, they have given you no powers whatsoever except to dance according to their whim and pay them their bills, now, the time has come for you to know that you are going to be your own gurus you have to achieve your spirit, and you have to become that, but stupidly won't understand. I understand that why people go to such gurus sometimes are extremely stupid that they can't see that we haven't got the real thing. If they are real seekers they would not accept something that is not real. They will deny and defy all and will say that we must have the power of our spirit.Have we got the power to know what is wrong with us and what's wrong with others. This is what you have to ask, this Kundalini rises and gives you your baptism in the fontanel area. The time is so short that I can't describe the whole lot to you.There are seven centres within us and the Kundalini is placed about the lowest. It's very important to know this point about which I'll tell you later on. It's here you can see the lowest centre is placed which is your innocence. They never talk of innocence do they? Where is your innocence placed is this point which manifests outside the pelvic plexus and which has got the Kundalini above it.And above the Kundalini are six centres which are manifesting in your other plexuses in the gross. These are the subtle centres within you. When the Kundalini rises She enlightens all these centres. She enlightens Herself. You have to become, it is the becoming that is important, not that I give you a lecture and say 'Oh, this is this and that is that'. It is a happening that should happen to your personality in your awareness you should be able to feel the centres of others and you should be able to awaken the Kundalini of others.If one candle has enlightened another candle, the other candle should be capable of enlightening another candle, otherwise it has no meaning. It takes hardly any time for the Kundalini to rise, but there are obstructions in many people because we are very complicated. Doesn't matter, whatever it is it can be cured. It can be improved and you have to have it because you are seekers born for this purpose only, you are not here to sell somebody's pockets and make them parasites on your society. You are not here to just become sex points, just to be lost as alcoholics and druggists and chemists!You are human beings, created out of l000's and l000's of species being discarded, and placed at such a pivotal point. And now the time has come for you to enter into the Kingdom of God. At this time don't listen to these people be careful I'll give you a small story about how things work out in the hell.There was a gentlemen who was a very good man and a very great seeker and he went to heaven because he died, he was a good man so God have him a key to heaven, but he said, 'What, here the people are so sober, enjoying themselves, they are in complete joy, but there is no fun, I don't have any fun before this, I didn't go to any one of these horrible places of sex nonsense and all that.'So they said alright you go to hell, and see for yourself and if you choose hell you can go to hell, so he came in and he found all kinds of funny things happening, and people doing all kinds of things. Ego being pampered, go ahead, go ahead, do like this, very good for you, come along, be more fast, you must kill your ego, you must kill your super ego, this and that and he says very good idea, you see it's such an ego pampering thing that he liked the place and a very good thing going on, so the people who are doing that said, 'What are you doing here?' He said, 'I want ... I have come to hell. He said, 'This is not hell, Where is it?Peep out from there, he started seeing from different peep holes, and he was amazed. People were put into burning fire, some were in the boiling oil and all sorts of things, he got the shock of his life. He says, 'What's that!' He turned around and said, 'Is that hell?' They said 'That's it. The smoke? ....... Then they said, 'What are you doing here?' They said, 'We are publicity department!' That's what they are!Don't listen to them. You will develop cancers you will go mad, you will have all kinds of problems. You'll be broke. I have go now people in England, who were heads of some of those so called academics, they are paupers on the street, while these people have diamonds in their beds, attached to the bed-heads. Those people who didn't even have a bicycle have Mercedes! They themselves are handicapped, they are sick people, but they are professing such big things and how can you cut it down, all this nonsense.People develop diseases all kinds of problems with them. You must see the people who go. What do they have, have they any quality ... do they understand anything? Are they looking alright? Is their health alright? At least minimum of minimum their health should be alright. Are they sane people?Have they conquered themselves and are on top of the world, are they, or are they still slaves of so many things? If they are enjoying themselves there is no need to have any addictions you just give up overnight.I don't say 'don't do this and don't do that!' I never say that. It's not necessary to say it because you haven't found the real, that's why it's a problem. But once you find it you just jump there. You start enjoying life without it, because the Spirit is the one that is the source of joy and happiness. Nothing else I think the time is very, very short and I cannot cover the full subject but I would like to have some good questions from you. Not silly questions because I'm very clever and I can avoid it.Thank you very much.(Realisation experience).But don't be frivolous, it won't work out - you are the loser. I am not the loser, I don't have to gain any thing! Now, how will it work out?First you will find there is not thought in you mind, thoughtless awareness, many people talk about it, thoughtless awareness ... and talk of Self Realisation. But have they done it? Of course, it is needless to say that once you get your realisation you get your khamsha (spelling?).That Krishna has said once you get your realisation your problems are solved, physical, emotional, mental, all problems are solved and you become absolutely relaxed. That goes without saying. But I'm not here to sort of cure people and go to hospitals. Nothing of the kind. It's just who are the seekers will be blessed because this is the reward of this last judgement.(Just close your eyes.)And the first thing you will feel will be thoughtless awareness, you won't find any thought in your mind, if you try to see your mind you'll find there is no thought. Just close your eyes and see if there is any thought there.Ask your mind - what are you thinking? When there is Kundalini crosses over the Agnya chakra which is the centre of Christ, you become thoughtlessly aware - you become - again I say it's the becoming; then it crosses the fontanelle bone area which is called as ....... in Sanskrit language. This is the real baptism one can say - you can feel the cool breeze on the hands from the all pervading power around; but that's not the end of it - it's just the beginning.It's just that your seed has been germinated but as Christ has said - some seeds got lost because they're places on the rock. So do not have a heart of a rock - just keep it open, keep it open. You'll feel very relaxed also - extremely relaxed. You have to ask for it.You have to say, 'Mother give us our self realisation please,' you have to knock on the door. If you if you are arrogant about it - it's rather difficult for me. You are asking for such a great thing which you have been seeking for ages - for many lives.In humility you have to ask - if it works it's your own gain - if it doesn't - we'll work it out later. Not to condemn yourself for that, you've no way to feel guilty please don't feel guilty about any thing - whatever you've done forget it - don't feel guilty - that's one of the diseases people have, when I say something, they start feeling guilty about it. Not to feel guilty about because what guilt can have with what wrong can you do - in the presence of God who is the ocean of love. He's ocean of love. Kundalini is universally there, exists in everyone - She is your Mother - She is you individual Mother. Mother - that is the desire. The pure desire which is waiting for a chance to give you your second birth.And when She rises, She touches the seat of Spirit on the fontanel bone area and the Spirit - which enjoys itself by itself - shines in your awareness and you get collectively conscious - please put your hands out.It's like one flower becomes the fruit, then five, then ten. It has to happen, just it has to happen. If not now, it'll happen later - you have to have sometime to do this kind of thing it's such a fast running train that you don't know where to catch it.Please don't doubt me for the time being because I'm not selling anything - I've spent my own money for Sahaja. I have come here to give you a gift which you desire. There is no organisation that we are running, you have to become. Just feel it if you are feeling the cool breeze, it's a subtle thing. It's very subtle - so be careful.Our attention is on the gross and if it has to achieve that dimension of subtleness.Try to still yourself, try to still yourself.(Long pause)Now see for yourself. All those who are getting cool breeze raise you hands, now all of you who are getting cool breeze raise your hands higher.Great! Alright again work it out, for all of you it will work out, I'm sure. Quite a number, at least 50% got it. Keep your eyes shut, that's very important because when the Kundalini rises she directs the pupil, so please keep your eyes shut, that's very important.

Public Programme Day 1 at University of New South Wales. Sydney (Australia), 23 March 1981. Such a joyous moment to be with seekers, to be with young people who are seeking.I have come for the first time to Australia, I should have come much earlier I think sometimes, the way some of the seekers are ruined by some of these horrible people who are around. One has to know that you cannot pay for God's love, you cannot pay for it, you cannot organise it, it is something that God has given you already, that is within you.You cannot manufacture it, you cannot copy it. What happened to you when you become a human being from amoeba? How much did you pay for that? Who organised that for you? If there is living God, if he exists, and if there is his living love , then whatever has happened to you or will happen to you, and has to happen to you, has to be absolutely living, it cannot be some sensational thing or some sort of funny gesture or contortions in your body which you cannot control.You have to have complete control over yourself, that's the first thing that should happen to you that you should be master of yourself. But, we are deluded very much and impressed by the sophistication. Those who are true seekers will have to come to Sahaja Yoga.Now Sahaja Yoga means spontaneous happening within you it's not a rational thing, you cannot put in any effort for it. Some people will not get it what ever I may try or you may try, they just can't get it, but most of them should get it's a spontaneous happening that takes place within you. Because now we have reached a stage of our evolution where we have to have the break through into the absolute, otherwise the chaos of this world is not going to die!! That's your due, that's your right.Yoga means union with God. It means union with your spirit. It's no other nonsense that people talk, Sahaja means: Saha means 'with', Ja means 'born'.It's within you, it's spontaneous, like every seed has a primule in it, you too have that power within you, just placed there in the sacrum, the triangular bone. So many people who are real scholars, who are seekers, have reached the conclusion that it is the awakening of the Kundalini only that gives you your second birth, your baptism, but they do not know how it will work out because it is a living force. You cannot pull our the primule out of the seed, you cannot not force a flower to become a fruit, you cannot pay money for it, you cannot rationalise it or mock at it or laugh at it or if you doubt it whatever it is. It will work out when it has to work out. In the same way today we are at the junction of a great happening, en-masse realisation has to take place, evolution has to take place, otherwise this creation will have no meaning, you will have no meaning either.So don't worry for cheap sensations and sensational stuff that is around, you have to ask for the real and that real you will only ask for if you have self esteem, that you understand that you have to get the real and not something that you can purchase on the market!! Whatever you can do is not divine, so, because you are doing no living work whatsoever!But after realisation you can do, living work because your awareness itself becomes dynamic as it is meant. I had a very long interview just now with lots of journalists and TV people and radio people and I was surprised, they were very, very wise and extremely deeply interested in the real seeking and the questions they asked.The first and foremost question that they asked was 'What is this Kundalini?" Was very good because they didn't ask any mundane questions. Do you play this, do you do this, all this nonsense they didn't ask me. They said, 'What is this Kundalini?' which is a very sensible and a wise question. This won't come to a stupid man! What is Kundalini? One should know what it is! If you have come here with a curiosity about it, at least you must ask such a question as to what is Kundalini? Because nothing is telling you. You should ask me questions .... and if you go to a Shakti there's something what we call a gift, if you want to have, you can have it. If you don't want to have I cannot force it down your throat! You have to choose it in all your freedom and understanding.Now this Kundalini is the pure desire, the power of desire within us which is placed in the triangular bone called Sacrum. Which remains the whole even after creating the whole of you as you look like a human being. It's just the same, till you get your Realisation, till you get your absolute, it will remain. You may go to thousands of gurus, do what you like.There are people I have seen who are so identified with their guru's that they don't even realise that they haven't any powers within them, nothing, and still they are identified with them.Unless and until you get your spirit you are not going to be satisfied, you try anything else because you are a category and category of a seeker. There may be some who are not, who are just posing, they can be discovered very easily, the Kundalini rises only in the presence of a holy person who is a realised soul, that's why they say you must get a Satguru, which is a guru who is a Realised Soul, but how many there are.They are shocking enterprises, they are mesmerising, they have given you no powers whatsoever except to dance according to their whim and pay them their bills, now, the time has come for you to know that you are going to be your own gurus you have to achieve your spirit, and you have to become that, but stupidly won't understand. I understand that why people go to such gurus sometimes are extremely stupid that they can't see that we haven't got the real thing. If they are real seekers they would not accept something that is not real. They will deny and defy all and will say that we must have the power of our spirit.Have we got the power to know what is wrong with us and what's wrong with others. This is what you have to ask, this Kundalini rises and gives you your baptism in the fontanel area. The time is so short that I can't describe the whole lot to you.There are seven centres within us and the Kundalini is placed about the lowest. It's very important to know this point about which I'll tell you later on. It's here you can see the lowest centre is placed which is your innocence. They never talk of innocence do they? Where is your innocence placed is this point which manifests outside the pelvic plexus and which has got the Kundalini above it.And above the Kundalini are six centres which are manifesting in your other plexuses in the gross. These are the subtle centres within you. When the Kundalini rises She enlightens all these centres. She enlightens Herself. You have to become, it is the becoming that is important, not that I give you a lecture and say 'Oh, this is this and that is that'. It is a happening that should happen to your personality in your awareness you should be able to feel the centres of others and you should be able to awaken the Kundalini of others.If one candle has enlightened another candle, the other candle should be capable of enlightening another candle, otherwise it has no meaning. It takes hardly any time for the Kundalini to rise, but there are obstructions in many people because we are very complicated. Doesn't matter, whatever it is it can be cured. It can be improved and you have to have it because you are seekers born for this purpose only, you are not here to sell somebody's pockets and make them parasites on your society. You are not here to just become sex points, just to be lost as alcoholics and druggists and chemists!You are human beings, created out of l000's and l000's of species being discarded, and placed at such a pivotal point. And now the time has come for you to enter into the Kingdom of God. At this time don't listen to these people be careful I'll give you a small story about how things work out in the hell.There was a gentlemen who was a very good man and a very great seeker and he went to heaven because he died, he was a good man so God have him a key to heaven, but he said, 'What, here the people are so sober, enjoying themselves, they are in complete joy, but there is no fun, I don't have any fun before this, I didn't go to any one of these horrible places of sex nonsense and all that.'So they said alright you go to hell, and see for yourself and if you choose hell you can go to hell, so he came in and he found all kinds of funny things happening, and people doing all kinds of things. Ego being pampered, go ahead, go ahead, do like this, very good for you, come along, be more fast, you must kill your ego, you must kill your super ego, this and that and he says very good idea, you see it's such an ego pampering thing that he liked the place and a very good thing going on, so the people who are doing that said, 'What are you doing here?' He said, 'I want ... I have come to hell. He said, 'This is not hell, Where is it?Peep out from there, he started seeing from different peep holes, and he was amazed. People were put into burning fire, some were in the boiling oil and all sorts of things, he got the shock of his life. He says, 'What's that!' He turned around and said, 'Is that hell?' They said 'That's it. The smoke? ....... Then they said, 'What are you doing here?' They said, 'We are publicity department!' That's what they are!Don't listen to them. You will develop cancers you will go mad, you will have all kinds of problems. You'll be broke. I have go now people in England, who were heads of some of those so called academics, they are paupers on the street, while these people have diamonds in their beds, attached to the bed-heads. Those people who didn't even have a bicycle have Mercedes! They themselves are handicapped, they are sick people, but they are professing such big things and how can you cut it down, all this nonsense.People develop diseases all kinds of problems with them. You must see the people who go. What do they have, have they any quality ... do they understand anything? Are they looking alright? Is their health alright? At least minimum of minimum their health should be alright. Are they sane people?Have they conquered themselves and are on top of the world, are they, or are they still slaves of so many things? If they are enjoying themselves there is no need to have any addictions you just give up overnight.I don't say 'don't do this and don't do that!' I never say that. It's not necessary to say it because you haven't found the real, that's why it's a problem. But once you find it you just jump there. You start enjoying life without it, because the Spirit is the one that is the source of joy and happiness. Nothing else I think the time is very, very short and I cannot cover the full subject but I would like to have some good questions from you. Not silly questions because I'm very clever and I can avoid it.Thank you very much.(Realisation experience).But don't be frivolous, it won't work out - you are the loser. I am not the loser, I don't have to gain any thing! Now, how will it work out?First you will find there is not thought in you mind, thoughtless awareness, many people talk about it, thoughtless awareness ... and talk of Self Realisation. But have they done it? Of course, it is needless to say that once you get your realisation you get your khamsha (spelling?).That Krishna has said once you get your realisation your problems are solved, physical, emotional, mental, all problems are solved and you become absolutely relaxed. That goes without saying. But I'm not here to sort of cure people and go to hospitals. Nothing of the kind. It's just who are the seekers will be blessed because this is the reward of this last judgement.(Just close your eyes.)And the first thing you will feel will be thoughtless awareness, you won't find any thought in your mind, if you try to see your mind you'll find there is no thought. Just close your eyes and see if there is any thought there.Ask your mind - what are you thinking? When there is Kundalini crosses over the Agnya chakra which is the centre of Christ, you become thoughtlessly aware - you become - again I say it's the becoming; then it crosses the fontanelle bone area which is called as ....... in Sanskrit language. This is the real baptism one can say - you can feel the cool breeze on the hands from the all pervading power around; but that's not the end of it - it's just the beginning.It's just that your seed has been germinated but as Christ has said - some seeds got lost because they're places on the rock. So do not have a heart of a rock - just keep it open, keep it open. You'll feel very relaxed also - extremely relaxed. You have to ask for it.You have to say, 'Mother give us our self realisation please,' you have to knock on the door. If you if you are arrogant about it - it's rather difficult for me. You are asking for such a great thing which you have been seeking for ages - for many lives.In humility you have to ask - if it works it's your own gain - if it doesn't - we'll work it out later. Not to condemn yourself for that, you've no way to feel guilty please don't feel guilty about any thing - whatever you've done forget it - don't feel guilty - that's one of the diseases people have, when I say something, they start feeling guilty about it. Not to feel guilty about because what guilt can have with what wrong can you do - in the presence of God who is the ocean of love. He's ocean of love. Kundalini is universally there, exists in everyone - She is your Mother - She is you individual Mother. Mother - that is the desire. The pure desire which is waiting for a chance to give you your second birth.And when She rises, She touches the seat of Spirit on the fontanel bone area and the Spirit - which enjoys itself by itself - shines in your awareness and you get collectively conscious - please put your hands out.It's like one flower becomes the fruit, then five, then ten. It has to happen, just it has to happen. If not now, it'll happen later - you have to have sometime to do this kind of thing it's such a fast running train that you don't know where to catch it.Please don't doubt me for the time being because I'm not selling anything - I've spent my own money for Sahaja. I have come here to give you a gift which you desire. There is no organisation that we are running, you have to become. Just feel it if you are feeling the cool breeze, it's a subtle thing. It's very subtle - so be careful.Our attention is on the gross and if it has to achieve that dimension of subtleness.Try to still yourself, try to still yourself.(Long pause)Now see for yourself. All those who are getting cool breeze raise you hands, now all of you who are getting cool breeze raise your hands higher.Great! Alright again work it out, for all of you it will work out, I'm sure. Quite a number, at least 50% got it. Keep your eyes shut, that's very important because when the Kundalini rises she directs the pupil, so please keep your eyes shut, that's very important.

3/25/1981

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Mooladhara and Swadhishthan

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1981-03-25 Mooladhara and Swadhishthana, Sydney, Australia I bow to all the seekers of Truth. The other day, I told you a little bit about the first centre, called as Mooladhara Chakra, and Kundalini, which is the residual consciousness in the triangular bone called as sacrum. As I told you that this is the pure desire power which has not yet been awakened and is not yet manifested within you, which resides here waiting for a moment to arise and to give you your second birth, your baptism. It makes you at peace. It gives you your Self-realization. This pure desire is to be one with your Spirit. Unless and until it is fulfilled, those who are seeking will never be satisfied whatever they may do. Now, this first centre is very important because this was the first centre that was created when the Primordial Being started doing the job. This is the centre of innocence that is holiness. First thing that was created was holiness on this Earth. This centre is very important in all the human beings because animals have innocence, they have not lost it, while we have a right, or we can say, we have a freedom to abandon it. We can do it, we can somehow or other destroy it by our so-called ideas of freedom. This centre has a power to give us wisdom. Wisdom is such a word that cannot be explained. Wisdom is the balance between your understanding of what is good and what is bad. Where you really understand what is good for you, for your Spirit, is wisdom, and when this centre is alive and is not destroyed, then you really know what wisdom is. For example, the person who has got this centre very well developed can tell you whether it is the North or the South, because the magnetism that is in the Mother Earth. This centre is made by the element of Mother Earth. The magnetism that is in the Mother Earth is present in this centre. When the birds fly all the way from Siberia to Australia, they do it with the help of this centre, because they know whether they are moving northward or southward. They have an innate wisdom to know which way to move and that’s why one should know that this centre is also within us, but we have lost our sense of judgement because we have lost that magnetism within us. An innocent person is really like a magnet and it attracts; he attracts the people towards himself, just like a flower attracts a bee towards itself. There are some fishes in which they have found an actual magnetic field and in some of them, they have even found a regular magnet placed in certain fishes by which they know whether they are going North, South, East or West. This centre in us can be destroyed by various ways, as I told you last time. If you see from the top, there is a blue line coming down; this is the power of our desire, by which we desire and is the emotional side of a human being. When a person neglects his emotional side or does not respect his emotional side, then this centre gets lost, it gets very much destroyed. The emotional side in these modern times is not well understood by human beings. I’m sorry to say, but it is very true that when you destroy this centre, the first thing that sets in is impotency or over activity, like the rapist and all that are created because this centre is neglected. Both things are just the same in the eyes of God; any extreme is wrong. Those people who say that you can be enlightened through sex are really – I don’t know what to call them, because She is your Mother sitting down there; She is only your Mother, She has no other child and She is holiest of holy. She is the Holy Ghost within you and if you want to sex on your Mother, I don’t know if people understand that here. In India it’s impossible; we cannot understand this nonsense. So it’s the same insult to your Mother. Like some people try to insult Mother Mary by putting Christ in a very awkward situation with Her. It’s something like that we can say happens when you start talking like this. It’s a very great sin to do such a thing to your own Mother, which is the Kundalini and that’s why, the other day I told you, I have seen some people have Kundalini which is all the time tossing Her head and breaking Her whole body and just feeling so helpless because She’s made so weak because the holiness from a person is vanished. Our idea of holiness has become so perverted and to add up to that we have now gurus to tell us that it’s a very good thing to do, you’ll go to heaven. Actually they are very honest they say you’ll go to bottomless pit and bottomless pit means hell. Why do you need a guru for this? Actually you have mastered this art. I mean, in England when I went, I was amazed that they have sex about... I mean they talk of sex and sex and sex, morning till evening. I don’t understand. Like all impotent people talk. That’s how they go on talking about sex, all the time; it’s nothing but sex; it’s so filthy, so filthy. They talk sex with the animals, sex with the children, sex with… I don’t know what’s happening to human beings, how can they be that filthy? I wouldn’t be surprised after some time we will have our bathrooms inside our drawing rooms. You see there’s something like our privacy, something like our drawing room where we meet people. How can you talk of these things, and how can you discuss these things which are so private, and so sacred, and that’s how you lose them or you lose balance over them. This is one of the things that’s happening to us because God has given us freedom within, we can do what we like. But we have lost our wisdom. We have lost. I don’t know why this industrial revolution, or I don’t know whom to blame, but we have lost our wisdom to understand that these things are injurious. If it is not, we logically can say, why do we develop diseases? With free sex, all the sailors, you know under law, have to have in every port arrangements for getting injections for all kinds of complications that they have from sex life. Why is it you do not feel healthy every minute? You’ll lose all your health, all your charm is gone from your face, you’re sunken and you look so horrid. It’s a very good sign, just now, to see how nature reacts with it. So one has to be wise to understand that God has given us this thing to us, not to be insulted but for us to lead a good, normal married life, and not to waste our energies in this kind of thing. But when people start thinking about it, then it’s even worse. Then what happens, that this shifts from there the attention onto the other side and it goes to the yellow side, goes to the brain. When you start thinking about it, definite it is that you’ll become impotent. Definite, no doubt at a very early stage. Because it is a spontaneous thing. And when you start thinking about it, when your eyes starts roving here and there, be sure your attention is gone to something which is so localized, which is so different and which takes place only at a time when you are at a certain emotional spontaneity. It’s very out of date to talk of these things to people but if you are not careful about it, you have to find out the statistics of American young people and you will be amazed how many of them are suffering from horrible diseases. When I went to America, I found that nine out of ten young people who came to me were suffering from these horrible diseases and most of them were impotent. It’s a shocking truth. One has to face it as it is and not to say, “Oh. I’m alright, I’m alright.” This is not the way to look at things. We have to see the statistics that are being placed before us, and to know that there is something wrong about it and with your wisdom you have to reach certain conclusions about it. The second centre, which I call as a Swadhishthana centre, is also a very important centre within us. The first centre looks after all of our excretion; it has got four petals. In the same way, the pelvic plexus, which is manifested by that, which is a gross plexus within us, has also got four sub-plexuses. Another one that we have is the Swadhishthan centre which is the second centre. The second centre has got six petals and it supplies, or it manifests in the gross, the aortic plexus which has got six sub-plexuses. Now this centre is very important for us in the modern times; it is extremely important and I think neglect of this centre can create lots of problems. Now this centre if you see is connected with the brain and this centre is responsible for our action, is the centre of our creativity. When we think of the future, when we do any physical work, we use this centre for that purpose and one has to understand that these days we are developing lots of diseases because we have not understood what the function of this centre is. The foremost function of this centre is to convert the fat cells for the use of the gray matter in the head. When we think too much all the time about the future, we plan, we go on planning into all details. What happens is that this poor centre has to work very hard to produce new cells, one after another, for the use of your brain. Apart from that it has to do many other functions. It has to look after your liver, it has to look after your spleen, it has to look after your pancreas, your kidneys and also the uterus among women. If you start thinking too much, if you cannot stop your thinking, all the time your brain goes on thinking, a sort of a thinking process starts without your control, then this poor centre has to work all that, your liver goes out. When your liver goes out you must know that the liver is one of the most important things within us because it nourishes our attention (chitta). This attention, whenever it is spoiled, is spoiled because there are certain poisons within us; it can be physical poisons, it can be mental poisons, it can be emotional poisons. Any kind of poisons there are, especially the physical and the emotional ones, they go to this liver which sorts it out. The function of this liver is to sort it out. But when you are not giving it sufficient energy, you are using for thinking, then this poor centre is left behind; it has no nourishment, nobody looks after it and it becomes sluggish. When it becomes sluggish, all the heat accumulates in the liver, and such a person doesn’t get any temperature till he gets cirrhosis and he dies. When thinking goes on too much, people get tired of thinking, thinking too much. So they think, “Let’s have something that will take us away from thinking, which will give us a kick outside.” So they take some sort of a drug, or a drink, or alcohol and all that. All the saints in the world have said that alcohol is very dangerous for life. The reason is that it goes against our awareness. This is a fact; you know that after taking a drink our awareness becomes blurred or excited. It’s not normal. That is the reason they said no. In Sahaja Yoga I do not say don’t do this and don’t do that. I only want you to come to Sahaja Yoga, get your realization and then you’ll not ask for it. That’s a much better way to do it. But why they asked you – For example, if you read Moses, Moses has clearly said that these are strong drinks, very clearly. I don’t know if people read and they should be avoided. I don’t know if the Jews do that. They should not be taken, He has very clearly said it. Abraham said the same thing that drinks are not good. Why all these prophets talk about it? Because they are all born in that green patch of ours; they are all placed in this green patch where we get our sustenance, which is ten. We have got ten sustenances within us, like gold has a sustenance that it does not tarnish. In the same way, human beings have got ten sustenances. These ten sustenances are represented by great prophets. The principle is called as Adi Guru, in Sanskrit language, the Primordial Master. He has incarnated on this earth as Abraham, Moses, as Lao Tse, as Confucius, as Socrates, recently he has been as Sai Nath of Shirdi (not the other fellow), and other great people have been, like Nanaka, Janaka. All these great saints came on this Earth to tell us how to keep in the centre, how to keep our sustenance, how to be human beings. As carbon has got four valances, we too have got ten valances. We have to maintain those ten valances within us; that’s what they came to tell us. But if anybody says you don’t drink, half of the hall will be empty. If you say you cannot have free sex, five people will walk out. That’s the problem. Here nobody likes it, to know anything about it, but it’s a dangerous thing to do. Whatever it is, you have to keep in the centre. You have to be in the centre, and how to keep in the centre is not to go to extremes, be moderate, and a moderate life is the best way. But even if you have not been, it doesn’t matter. Kundalini is at this point in such a force that whatever you might have done, you get your realization quite alright. So is a different point, but what I am trying to tell you is this, that’s why these people said so. Mohammed Saheb is another who said don’t drink. He’s one of them, He’s just the same; there’s no difference, there’s no difference between Moses and Mohammed Saheb; I can prove it to you on vibrations. You can yourself know through vibrations that they were the same people, said the same thing. There’s no difference of any kind. It’s only people that are fighting. I don’t know why, I just can’t understand what is there to fight between these two. They were just the same, preached the same thing, and when Moses crossed the river and the bridge was made, that bridge is the bridge which is symbolic of the Kundalini that creates for you, to cross this Void within us. It’s very symbolic. They have worked so hard to tell you what is sustenance, where we have to be in the centre, because if you are in the sustenance, as He said, that only a thread of this Kundalini rises. It is not one thread that should rise. Actually I’ve seen in people the whole of it goes up like that and it stays there in many people, but the trouble is it rises because there’s no space to rise. We are finished off with the Swadhishthan and with another chakra which is in the centre, which is called as Nabhi Chakra means the navel centre. When you have an obstruction in the centre, naturally the Kundalini, though it rises with full force, all the things, all the threads fall down and only one somehow or other goes up and opens up the Sahasrara, thinking that at least if I open up there then the others, the grace will fall and maybe it will open out more. So this is the problem. That’s why they said that you lead a life which is moderate and temperate and this is what they preached, too. Now let us see what happens when we go to extremes. In the centre, as we have seen, is the sustenance within us. Now if you try to go beyond this side or that side, what happens, let us see. Beyond this side is the subconscious; if you go, you enter into the collective subconscious. On the other side, if you move, that is the supra-conscious, you enter into collective supra-conscious. Into this side are all the people on the left-side, are the people who are still dissatisfied, very sly, sinister, horrible people who are dead, who do not want to take birth and who still want to torture people absolutely. These are busy bodies, they can possess you, they do possess you. On the right hand side there are people like Hitler who are very ambitious, who have died out of their ambitions and things like that. They still exist there. Either you enter into this side or you enter into that side when you go to extremes and you just get possessed. It’s a very dangerous area you are entering into. Recently I was seeing a BBC program and some doctors had discovered a very interesting thing. They said that cancer is triggered by some proteins they call it protein 58, protein 56 or something like that. When these proteins attack us from some unknown areas within us which are built within us since our creation. What are these areas? This I’ve been telling for so many years is the left side and the right side, the two extremes. What we do when we go to the right side – the right side is the area where you think too much, where you project yourself into the future. Like that you go on, then you start becoming a person who is more interested in the future than the present. The centre is the present. Now you start projecting your mind into that [future], When you start projecting your mind too much into that, you start moving into that side. With that, anybody who is an austere person, they think that if you are a very austere person, you lead the life of celibacy and all this is nonsensical thing. If you lead a life of celibacy, it’s not going to help you at all. On the contrary, such a person becomes an extremely dry personality and ultimately dies of heart attack and such a person is so hard-headed, so hot-tempered that you must take a barge pole before you meet such a person. They are so cursing type, so unaware of other people’s health or anything that they can curse anyone and this is their job is to curse this one and curse that one and curse that one. They are extremely dry people. They might take to social work in the name of God or they’ll work like hell for the poor; they’re thinking they’re saving the poor and doing this and that and while, if you see them any other time, you’ll be sure that such a person is absolutely burning with fire. They have a horrible liver, very hot temper; there is no sweetness about them, there is no magnetism about them. All the people run away from them and they are like boiled sprouts, sitting on everybody’s head. Do this, do that, you haven’t done this, what are you doing? They will not sleep themselves and not allow anybody to sleep. They think that everybody is supposed to work under their thumb and these are the people who are very ego-oriented as shown there, are the people who move onto the right-hand side. Any austere ideas about religion can take you to this side and this austerity is very dangerous for human beings because it cuts you off from the whole. Such a person may be entrapped or possessed by some sort of a personality on the right-hand side. I know of a lady who is very well known in India and whose got a big prize and this and that for her social work. I happened to see her first time on an aeroplane when she had no prizes and all that. She came with some sort of an odd stuff with her and she wanted to sit in the front seat. So the air hostess said, “I’m sorry, this is reserved for some children who are sick and they have to go by this plane and we can’t give you this,” and the mother is there. She started fighting the mother, how many times she told them, and what do you think of yourself and this and that and she was just jumping from here to there and there to there and she wouldn’t allow the plane to leave. For half an hour she was fighting to sit down there and the amount of abuses she used for the air hostess, I was amazed. And she’s supposed to be a woman who should be given a peace prize or something like that? I don’t know, there was no peace on her face, neither around her and everybody was so disturbed with the way she was on about it. It was really shocking to see this personality who was so hot-tempered and so meticulous about things and she was arguing with her, “This was my seat and this was this and this was that.” Thank God, then they got her out and the plane left the place. But I’m telling you, such people can be frantically hot-tempered and can be so unaware of your presence there that you have to be very, very careful with them. Such people may look to be very, very successful in life and when they walk they have an upper lip and all sorts of things, but it takes no time for them to realize that it’s all tom-foolery going on. This kind of ego orientation can lead you to nothing but stupidity. A person can be extremely stupid and he doesn’t know how stupid he has been, because this is what’s wrong. A gentleman came to see us and he had a wife who was a mere sixteen years of age and the fellow was eighty years of age. Naturally, I thought he must be the grandfather, so I said, “Is she your granddaughter?” So my husband pinched me and said, “That’s his wife.” I said, “Really?” I said, “I’m sorry, I didn’t know she was your wife.” “What’s wrong, I can have a wife who is two-year-old. What’s wrong in it?” I said, “Nothing wrong, only thing is people will laugh at you, that’s all.” All sorts of stupid things people do in this world, and they think “What’s wrong?” This is the best way to get along with your stupidity, till they discover that you are the greatest stupid person ever. Now this stupidity comes from this ego going up and surrounding your brain completely. You cannot see anything else, you just see yourself, my room, my house, my, my, my. You cannot see that there are others, that you owe some sort of relationship to others, that you have to be kind to them, that you have to share things with them. You all the time think about yourself and such people get possessed by the supra-conscious style. What happens in spirituality in such people, they start feeling their body is lying here and they go up and sit in a tree; they think it is realization or enlightenment – just imagine. This is nothing but a supra-conscious spirit has entered and taken the body away and put it there. I had, I told you, three Americans coming from America and they were known to be very big scientists. They came to see me, and they said, “Mother, you have to teach us one thing.” I said, “What?” “We want to fly.” I said, “Flying? You’re already flying. What do you want to flying? They said, “No, but we want to fly with ESP.” I said, “You should not do that because if you do that then you are enslaved by these spirits and you do want to be enslaved by these spirits.” “Yes, whatever it is, enslavement or anything, we want to have this and we want to get this by which you fly.” I said, “Why?” They said, “Because Russia is doing it, and Russians are doing experiments with ESP so we should also do it.” I said, “If they are going to hell, are you also going to hell?” They said, “Yes. What’s wrong?” I said, “Nothing is wrong. Go with two running jumps, you can go very fast there. But as far as I am concerned I am not for it. I am not going to doom your life forever.” So I asked, “Who has sent you to me?” They said, “One Patanjali.” There is a fellow called Patanjali who is a journalist. I said, “This Patanjali has sent you?” “Yes, he has sent us to you. He was the man who used to leave his body, and run all over the places. He was a journalist, so he used to get the news before anybody knows, and he used to run out of his house and the wife was so surprised that one day he brought some sand and he said, “Yesterday, do you know where I was? I was on the [UNCLEAR] beach. From there I brought the sand for you.” She got such a fright, and he used to shake before any photograph of God or Christ or anyone, he used to shake like that, so she brought to me. She said, “This fellow is shaking. I don’t know what is happening. He is rattling, this Parkinson’s thing. I don’t know what is happening, and here, in the night, he disappears, I lock up everything and still he disappears, I don’t know what to do, it’s very shocking.” He said, “Sometimes I go and sit on a tree.” I said, “Really?” So I told him that, “You are possessed.” He said, “Mother, please take it away. I don’t want this nonsense. You don’t know where I will land up tomorrow. I could be anywhere, hanging in the air. I don’t want to do that and maybe my body won’t come back.” This is what people are doing now is to take out the Spirits. When they take out the Spirit from a person they keep it with them. Like the children, small children die in their sleep. If a mother is here and she has a child in America, and she says, “I want to talk to my child through a medium,” it’s a very dangerous thing. Never play with these mediums, very dangerous. And such a mother I know in Switzerland, she did that to a child and the child died in America, in the sleep. Because the distance is such that where there is day there is night; she was doing this in the daytime and the child was sleeping. She talked to the child, she heard his voice, everything she did … and the child died. Never go near these people who deal with spirits; it’s said by all the great people of the world, but we are not bothered. They say, “What’s wrong? We go to spirits, to ESP, to our elders who are dead, to our brothers and sisters.” Why bother them now they are dead. Let them be free. As it is you tortured their lives when they lived on this Earth. Why don’t you leave them be? Let them go and take their births. But we are not satisfied. We say, “No, we must talk to them. We have seances, we hold hands, call spirits and do this.” But do you know what happens with them? First of all no realization. Very difficult for such people. Even if you get realization and all that, you have lots of problems. I’ve seen people go mad, because these spirits are dirty things. Supposing you have called me. I am an Indian, so now you are exposed to India. You must know you are exposed to India and you have no control over the people who are coming down from these areas and you are just being possessed. They possess you, your family, everything and is a fact that these horrible things that act or that call or that try to show that they are helping you, are the people who are just taking money from you. But they are going to be condemned much worse than you. The people who are mediums, who are clairvoyants, have used these things and all this, we’ll call these Guru’s from Tibet. There’s nothing like that. Anybody who’s a realized soul will never come into anybody. No Guru can come into anybody, take it from me, because they know the value of freedom. They will never do it. It’s a very mean thing to do. To them who are dead and to yourself who is living and is such a beautiful thing created by God. You get possessed by all these nonsensical things and black magic Talisman and I don’t know how you educated people can take to it. I would say that you are naîve. Because in India we know this, we know all this, we know all this materialization and all business, we know very well. Of course, all the young people do not know now. Because I am an ancient person, we all knew about it; we called it Bhanumati (Name of a sorceress queen), we called it Preta Vidya, Shamshana Vidya, Bhoota Vidya; there are books and books about it, what these things are done. They’re black magic, voodoo, and all sorts of things that you call them, but you have no knowledge about it. For example, we put all our dead bodies in the church. I don’t know who told, where is it written in the Bible? I don’t understand, why should you put your dead bodies in the church? Alright, if you want to have a church for the dead bodies, let them be along with the dead bodies. You are living people. Why do you sit on top of dead bodies there and have all the bhoots and these devils coming on you and sitting on your heads? Only a realized soul is a person who should be buried in a church; only a realized soul. In India, it is a custom that all people are burned except for a realized soul, because they never try to possess anyone, they never try to disturb. On the contrary, they help us in so many ways. They are not the people who will just come to disturb your life or to give you some encouragement. Sometimes you feel very happy also with that because you feel that your responsibility is taken over, they have taken your responsibility and you feel quite relieved. In the beginning you feel quite nice; it’s a good sensation, “Oh, I feel peace,” you think, because somebody else has come into your house and he is going to use all your house and you’ll be left behind. And then you become ridiculous. Such people you’ll find put the cloth in the mouth like this, look like that, and they are very much frightened and afraid. Of course, before me they shake like this, all sorts of things happen. Now there is another trend about it. If you say that these are possessed people and this and that, the left side ones are even worse. Left side ones are the ones who go into the spirit business, very much, but there are two types of spirit businesses. One can give supra-concious, and one can give even subconscious. And the subconscious is very easily available because they are busy bodies, all these spirits, and in the subconscious area they are busy bodies and very mean and sly and dirty people. For example, a woman dies young without marriage. She would like to trouble a married woman, she’s jealous. And that’s why there are certain rules and regulations in our life, one should understand, by which you should avoid all these things. Take your psychologists as their psychologists do not know what they’re facing. They treat mad people. I told you about Freud, he was half-baked because he only knew about this power of desire which he called conditioning and all that. But he did not know there was another one which is our ego. He said you take out all your conditioning; you don’t have any conditioning whatsoever. So where do you go? You land up in “What’s wrong?” Ego orientated. Then you form another cult by saying we must destroy our cult. You go on saying that to yourself, “Oh, you are good for nothing, you are useless, all the time kill your ego.” So you become a recluse. These two things happen with the extremes of this movement of this centre. Through this centre you either go to the left or the right. Now what is the real thing? This is the center of creativity. Creativity and the knowledge of the Divine. Knowledge of the Divine is when you get your realization, you get the cool vibrations of the Holy Ghost and you have to know how to raise the Kundalini of others, and you have to know how to correct yourself. You have to know how to know all of these centers and also you have to find out all the absolute questions you have got within your mind. This has to happen to you. This realization has to happen because this is in your own right you are having. Now you are a human being and you have to become a super human being. I’m not doing anything about it. As I said, I’m just cashing your bank accounts. But if bank accounts are so much on the left or right it’s rather difficult. You have to give lots of grace marks and sort of overdrafts are there. So one has to understand that better be in the centre. Not to go to these things. Why, why, for what? What are you going to gain out of these things? Are you going to go to your Spirit? Are you going to become your Self? Why, for just a little game here, a little game there? Why are you going to these horrid people? They will take you to such a horrible extreme that maybe you may not be able to return. In London I was surprised there was a doctor whom I knew by relationship and he came to see me and he said, “I’ve lost all my jobs, everything because I’m very depressed. I can’t work. I don’t know what happens to me. I’m extremely depressed. I’ve lost the zest to work. I do not feel anything, I’m just gone. I’m very depressed. And every time I try to work I get again depressed. I’m very tired.” I asked him did he go to anyone of these tantrikas and this type of person and he said, “Never. But my grandfather was a tantrika.” He used to do this black magic business and now see the grandson is suffering because of it. Later on he was cured. We have one Australian here who was a Russian doctor, his grandmother had a habit of taking the child to the cemetery in the early ages of his life. He remembers that very well and after some time he became so depressed he lost his job, he couldn’t work. He used to get a headache and all sorts of things used to happen. Cramps use to come in his hands. When he came to me he got cured but it took some time because in childhood all the impressions of these spirits were there. So one has to understand how to keep dead away from you. You have to be in the present and not in the dead. Whosoever is dead is finished. Have you ever noticed a monkey, if a child of a monkey dies, before the death the monkey will be shouting and screaming and doing all kinds of things. As soon as the thing dies it leaves. It’s not bothered. You can see with dogs and so many things, it’s not bothered about it, it knows it’s gone. That’s why it is said that if somebody is dead, think of God and you sing songs and things like that and do not indulge into it too much. But we have forgotten all those things and the way we do about dead things sometimes, it is so far. That actually most of us live, then when doing all this, we live in the past with it. We live in the past and such people also see some ghosts and things and some of them who were like this have seen my past and have been shaking before me, they all shake before me like this. They go on shaking, they cannot sit straight they go on shaking like this, they go on shaking like that, all the time their bodies shaking, they have no control over their body. So one has to understand that these things are absolutely dangerous for human beings. We are human beings, we are not dead bodies, we are not that. But the worst thing is that those who indulge into these things are caught up by the proteins which doctors have said are nothing but these dead spirits. They are saying proteins because they don’t understand. These are the dead spirits, cancer is caused only by the attack of the dead spirits. I have not come across a single case whom I have treated, and I have treated many, who have not got the affectation of the spirit. Now in realization, when you get your realization, you catch up on this or this, these are the two Swadhishthan which were marked. I hope you put your hands like this. You will get your realization as well when I am talking to you. Just like this, please, and put both the feet straight on the ground, just like this. Now I was telling you that when you put your hands like this, first the cool breeze starts flowing in. But when you have got your realization you put your hand on somebody to test it, you catch on this one. That means it is unauthorised. Unauthorised working of the Divine can be subconscious area, can be supra-conscious, can be psychologist or anyone, can catch on this. When you work on your mind. Your mind is the superego there, the blue one is the mind. When you have, somehow or other, gone to some person or had something to do with black magic yourself, then you catch on this finger, this left Swadhishthan, as we call it. When you catch on this you have to say that you believe in the Divine working, in the pure working of the Divine and that’s called as Nirmala Vidya. Nirmala means pure, the pure knowledge of the technique of how to raise your Kundalini. When you say that, this gets alright and the spirits leave you. There are many people who have come to me who have been mad, and they say, “How by Kundalini do you cure mad people? What do you do about it?” Nothing, I just give them Kundalini awakening. Then when the Kundalini awakens, when She goes to this center, which is the second centre within us, the enlightenment takes place. The deity there of creativity gets awakened and with the light, this darkness within you just disappears, just goes away. Epilepsy can be cured. If somebody is suffering from Epilepsy there’s a very simple method of curing that person. Extremely simple. When you come next I’ll tell you how to get such a person cured. It’s very simple. Sahaja Yoga is a spontaneous living method by which you can cure people as a by-product of Kundalini awakening. It’s not that I’m here as a healer and I going about and, “Give me ten dollars for healing.” It’s not that. It’s just when Kundalini gets awakened you get cured. You get a good health because the Kundalini passes through this centre which is responsible for the physical side. If your physical side is alright then your health is alright. But there are other things within you. There is your emotional side and also there is your mental side and also you have got above all is the spiritual. All these things are to be enlightened through Kundalini awakening. The first thing that happens to you is that your health improves, no doubt. All kinds of things like paralysis, cancer, diabetes – diabetes is curable by Sahaja Yoga. This I must explain to you how diabetes is cured. Diabetes is caused by people who think too much, again. So this centre has to work very hard and it cannot give sufficient attention to the pancreas which is on the left-hand side. Because of that the left-hand side becomes frozen and the right-hand side is working very hard. Now how do you cure your diabetes. The only way is, if you are a realized soul, you give vibrations to the pancreas and give a balance to a person. There’s a way of balancing it. If you can balance the thing, people get rid of their diabetes permanently. Arthritis also can be cured, but now I must tell you about the spleen which is a very important thing within us and I think everyone one of you must understand it in a full way. Spleen, we do not know how important it is within us. It is the speedometer. It looks after the speed we have. The way we are speedy these days we are really telescoping it. We talk telescopically. We walk telescopically. We are very speedy people. And this speediness comes to us when our spleen has gone crazy. How does the spleen go crazy? It’s very simple. Now the spleen is there to create new RBCs, red corpuscles to meet all the emergencies you go through. For example, you are eating your food and it’s an emergency. You need more of the red blood corpuscles. So this spleen starts emitting more red blood corpuscles. But at the same time you have the 9 o’clock news and you hear something horrid. Another emergency is created. Then suddenly you eat your food and run. Third emergency is created. This poor spleen gets absolutely crazy. It does not know when to produce what blood cells. It doesn’t know what to do with you because suddenly you have three or four things together. You’ll be having your breakfast, putting one foot in the car, talking to somebody. That side you hear somebody saying, “Get in, get in.” And all this is going on simultaneously. This poor spleen doesn’t know which way to move. So it becomes crazy. And then the attack comes somehow and blood cancer is set in. Blood cancer is the result of speediness. So one has to be very careful that our spleen must be alright. I am warning you as a Mother. I know these problems. We have cured blood cancer but it’s a horrible disease and once it gets over, within one week they say it finishes off. We have cured many cases of blood cancer which were declared to dead after eight days. That’s how they give a certificate – after eight days or after one month, that’s the certificate you get in the hospital, you will die. But in Sahaja Yoga one can try to cure them. They have been cured and when they went to the doctors, “Oh,” they said, “I know, it was really remarkable but we can’t believe it was Sahaja Yoga.” Even if a doctor is cured they’ll say, “Oh, this doctor has gone mad now. He’s talking like this. How can that be?” Here they have certified the person is going to die in eight days and there he’s cured and going strong after two years or so. They’ll say there must be something. They do not want to accept because this challenges their knowledge. But I am not here to take away their profession. They can have lots of patients. I am not here to cure people. It’s just the seekers who come to me for realization are blessed by divine grace and they get very good health. They get cured because they are seekers. They are the men of God, they have to become the prophets. When they become the prophets in this era, they have to convert others in the same way, and they will make them prophets. It was said by William Blake about a hundred years back. He has described all these things in his book Milton. You will be surprised. He has gone to such a limit of prophecy, that he was such a seer that he has even described where I lived, in Surrey Hills. "The first beacons will be lit in "...Surrey Hills, and also he has said where our ashram is going to be in the ruins because we had no money so they purchased a ruined place"... in the ruins, the foundations will be laid in Lambeth Way". And there it is. Our ashram it has come to Lambeth Way and here is her loom vibrates the sinew of love. This is going to become the Jerusalem. Just imagine, a person a hundred years back could see. He was such a seer and he has written all about it. But human beings are not sensitive to things. I went to see his exhibition. He was a great artist. I was amazed. They were just seeing how he has shown nude women in the hell, just imagine. You went there to see this? This is like we went to see a flower show and there you are picking up all the filth and dirt. Is this the way to look at beautiful things? See for beauty and think of beauty and then you are beauty. Why should you desire these ugly things in life? Why should you not desire something that is so beautiful and that is your Spirit. This the second centre I have told you. This is the one which limits our religion in the sense of our sustenance. Not the religion in the way you understand, because all these religions are just like flowers on one living tree, have been plucked by people and they say, “This is mine.” “This is mine.” “This is mine.” And they have made these flowers very ugly and such flowers are decayed. The whole attention should be on becoming the Spirit. If it is not so, the rest of it is not God’s work. God’s work is just to awaken your Kundalini. It’s the living work because if He is the living God, He has to do the living work. His work is to transform a little flower into a fruit, which you cannot do. In the same way you cannot pulsate the Kundalini, but it will pulsate when you come to Sahaja Yoga. You will see with your naked eyes the pulsation rising over here and you can see your baptism taking place. It is written by so many people and they have said, like Kalidas has said. We had a great poet Kalidasa who has described Sahaja Yoga about three, four hundred years back. And we had Adi Shankaracharya who has very clearly said all these things I am telling you. But this was a knowledge limited to few people. Even Krishna talked to one, Arjuna. Christ talked to some multitudes and they crucified Him because they couldn’t understand Him, what He was talking. What was there to crucify Him. They did not recognize Him. Moses – how many people recognized him? Abraham – how many people recognized him? They were never recognized, never understood, that was the problem, and this is what one has to understand. The time has come now to recognize, to understand. Recognize yourself that you are the Spirit – not this body, not this mind, not this ego – but you are the Spirit. And not the gurus, so called. The one who does not give you your spiritual realization is not a Guru, is not a Guru. You must understand. You must understand this is the thing of Guru. The Primordial Master who tells you to be in the centre, who tells you all things that are to be done in the name of religion. In the name of religion everyone has said the same thing. Now I don’t say anything like that because I know how to handle the situation. We had a doctor in London who was an alcoholic who came to me. He got his realization and the next day he gave it up. He just didn’t want to have it. He said, “Now I am enjoying myself. I’m not bored. I don’t even remember it.” But he went to Germany and after two to three months, he said, “I used to like one wine. Let me try, how it is.” So he went and had that wine. When he had it he felt like vomiting, absolutely. He said it was smelling. Then I don’t have to tell you don’t steal, don’t talk filthy, don’t do this – nothing. I have a granddaughter, who is a realized soul. Two children, two granddaughters are realized souls and one of them came. Later on she said, “Grandmother, did you have to read this stupid thing called as moral science?” I said, “No, why?” “This is foolish isn’t it? They tell us not to tell lies, don’t steal. Are we servants? Why should we tell lies? Why should they tell us all these things? I don’t like it.” So the little one says, “Oh, they are stupid people. How can they say like this? Why should we do it?” There is no temptation there. We don’t have to tell you there’s not a temptation. You are awakened. Your dharma is there, your sustenance is awakened. We are human beings. if we have to pass through a dirty lane then we cannot do it. We feel horrible, we close our noses, we feel the smell of the dirt and the filth. But you take a horse, [UNCLEAR], he walks very nicely, he’s not bothered, he doesn’t get the smell. In the same way your awareness gets enlightened. Then whatever is sinful, you do not like. You just don’t like it. Whatever takes you away from Spirit you don’t like it because you lose your vibrations. Now another center is also very important. It is for our wellbeing, called as Nabhi Chakra, about which I’ll tell you next time because already I’ve told you quite elaborately. Moreover I would like to have questions from you today, also. But, like last time, don’t go on asking questions and the same person asking. One person should ask only one question and a sensible question because you are seekers. Don’t waste your time and don’t waste time of others, alright? Thank you very much. Seeker: Is reincarnation is necessary until the body gains true realization? Shri Mataji: That is again you are thinking about the past. Why to worry? You have incarnated many of times, no doubt about it. Now, at this is point where are you? There is no need to have reincarnations. Who is going to count? From ameba to this stage, how many times you have incarnated I don’t know. Forget it. At this time you have to have your Spirit enlightened. Forget about the past. They’ll ask me, especially in India, “Was I a king? Was I this? Was I that?” I said, “I am not bothered about the history.” There was a boy, very scholarly, who came and asked me, “Was I Napoleon in my past life?” I said, “Why?” He said, “Even if I was don’t tell me, otherwise I’ll jump in the sea.” I said, “No. Why? What makes you think that way?” He said, “Because I’m very ego oriented. My ego is collossal and another point is that I am very good at drawing. So I think these two combinations are only possible in Napoleon.” I said, “No, no, you were not Napoleon, don’t you worry.” He said, “Otherwise I would jump in the sea and take another incarnation.” So don’t worry about these things. It can be quite diviating. There is a big show going on everywhere: “What was my last lives? Somebody said you were in Egypt.” What does it matter? Whether you were in Egypt or Timbuktu, what does it matter? This is a big story going on. People save money. Now tell me about this and they are telling also very nicely about these things. You must ask the person, “What were you last time?” Must have been a donkey. Otherwise why is he taking money for this? Seeker: Have you read Sir Arthur’s Apocalypse. Shri Mataji: Haan. I’ve read it, baba. I don’t know what to say. I don’t know how he wrote. There’s no honesty about it. There’re so many books. I’ve seen such big books written. I was surprised how he could write such big books without knowing anything about it. He is so confused, contradictory. I’ve always had a great admiration for Western people that they were honest, whether they did wrong or were thieves, they were honest about it. But this one, I don’t know from where did he get such courage to write about Kundalini without knowing a word about it. Horrid, absolutely. All these books, so many. This one book I read was like a person coming from a village and putting his hand into the plug and saying that I got a shock. He doesn’t know anything, they are so naîve, not only naîve but, in his case, I think, he’s not entitled, he is not suitable. You have to be a very holy person. To do that you have to become compassion, you have to be love, you have to be pure. It’s all money-making propositions. Write about Kundalini because it is unknown. Everything is a money-making proposition these days, in the name of God, in the name of religion, in the name of Kundalini, in the name of all categories because there is no authority that can catch you, and who are you? People who are seekers, who are true seekers, who are innocent, who are simple, uncomplicated [UNCLEAR]. If you’ve read too many books, I’ll have a problem with you. First of all, you have to throw all these books in the sea. You have all the books in your head and you are lost. Your Self is lost. I really tell you, it’s very true. This one is standing here, with the face. He gave me such a bad time for some time. And the shaking and he had all sorts of things happen to him when he first came to me. He had read all the books from A to Z, from this side to this side. There is no book which he left. I said, “Now, at least leave one book for me to read.” Seeker: Is there a difference between being awakened and realization? Shri Mataji: Very good question. There is a difference between awakening and realization, it’s true. It awakens, it passes. You can see with your naked eyes in many people. If there is an obstruction, you can see it. It passes through various chakras; you can see it. In some people it is so slow-moving, otherwise it takes just a split of a second. But if there’s an obstruction you can see it and the awakening has taken place. But the breaking of the Sahasrara is the realization where you get a cool breeze in the hands. If you don’t get cool breeze in the hands at least you get cool breeze here, minimum. Sometimes this centre is very bad in many people. Then you don’t feel it in the hands but you must feel it here. But still it’s just the beginning, just the germination. Like Christ has said, “Some people fell on here and some there.” It happens like that. So awakening is not the end of it, it’s just the beginning. It has started and then realization is established. First when the Kundalini goes over this chakra you get a state called thoughtless awareness, where there is no thought in your mind. It’s very easy to get. This is the centre of Christ. It goes above that. When it passes through all these centers of Moses and Abraham and all that, it passes through the centre of Christ, it passes through this Brahmarandra fontanel bone when you get your baptism, then you feel the cool breeze in the hands. But it may be sucked back into a places where there is a problem. Because with me I’ve seen people get it just like that, it flows like a great river in flood. It happens, but then sometimes it comes back. But once it is awakened it is awakened. You have to learn how to establish it. It’s a very good question my child. Seeker: there’s one school of thought describes enlightenment as a static process. What you’ve described is a dynamic process. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s not static; how can that be? It’s a living process. You become collectively conscious. You become that. You become really dynamic because your awareness has a new dimension. You become collectively conscious, you start feeling another personality, you start feeling your Self, you start getting the power how to raise the Kundalini; you don’t know how many powers you get. It’s like this: say, you get a big, huge a television. If I say there is music here, song here, drama here – it’s a myth. We can’t see anything. You bring a television and put it to the mains, you see the miracle. That’s what you are; you are really dynamic, immediately. Dynamic is not the word; there is no word to describe how you are made. It’s so beautifully done. Once you are put to the mains all your powers start flowing. There’s no end to it. It’s so miraculous, so wonderful. I wish you could see one of my photographs that they have taken which you would not be able to explain; I think next time I will bring it along. You become so dynamic. If you have seen in my book, Advent, is a person, a very ordinary person. He was a gardener, got his realization and he had never handled a camera or he did not know how to handle a camera. He once took a camera and took my photograph and that is such a wonderful photograph he has taken. Since then he has discovered he can take photographs very well, he can paint very well, he can sing very well. And you become really so dynamic and inexhausting, go on producing art. Still, human beings, as they are, they get caught up in ego, get caught up in superego. But, I must say, Mohammed Saheb is the one who has told us lots of things, lots of secrets, how to get rid of all these things. They all have added to the knowledge of Sahaja Yoga to such an extent that we should have gratitude for all of them. Seeker: What is the difference between mind or consciousness and spirit and spirit or consciousness which isn’t mind? Shri Mataji: This is a subject I’ll be discussing later on at length. But the Spirit is the one that resides in the heart which is the reflection of God Almighty. By knowing the Spirit only you become collectively conscious and that’s why you know the universal being is God. This is a simple answer and another is maya, is that black thing you see there. She’s a maya which is the conditioned stuff called as superego. And the intellect is the one that is on this side, is the ego, Mr. Ego. So it’s all limited stuff within ourself. So this stuff is very different and this one is in the centre of it. That’s a very different thing. So all these things I’ll be explaining later on when I’ll be discussing all these points. Seeker: Could you just repeat what you were saying before about the thumbs? Shri Mataji: Yes, these fingers, as you see there, are suggestive of the centres that are within us. This finger, if you see the thumb, has got the same color as that. So when you find a burning on the fingers or you find numbness; numbness is bad because numbness is a suggestive of death, or towards death or thinking of death. I’ve seen people from Sweden, those people all have numb fingers. They are a cult and I said, “What are doing?” They said, “We are planning how to commit suicide.” This is a result of their affluence. Young people, from 17 to 21 are just learning how to commit suicide and there is a competition between the Swiss and the Swedish and these days Swiss are higher. This finger, this thumb is responsible for this centre. If you have a problem in your liver you’ll feel this pulsing. Nabhi is the centre. You can see that. You have got the book. Please buy the book from these people, which is, of course, at a very nominal price whatever they have taken for printing and go through it and see for yourself what it is. Seeker: After so many prophets have been writing so much, why is it that it’s been so hidden and the truth has been very difficult to see? Shri Mataji: It is very difficult. Human beings, really, I don’t know what to call them because they never understand what Christ – They didn’t allow Him to live for four years. What to do? Abraham, Moses, you know what they did to them. All the prophets, what you did to them. There are so many good gurus in India. In Jammu I know a very good one, and also in England I know one but they are hiding. They don’t want to fix it. I told them, I asked one of them to go to America, with big coaxing. I paid them money. I said, “Please, go and work with them. I can’t go to America.” Within three days he ran away from New York and he said, “Mother, I can’t do these people. They do not want their Spirit. They want other things, they want money, they want this, they want that.” They do not understand before, they would never recognize before. That’s why Christ had said one thing that, “I’ll forgive you anything you have done against Me. But against the Holy Ghost nothing would be forgiven.” Because you will know what the Holy Ghost is. Recognition is the most difficult thing for the ego. There was a lady today who said, “Why should you do it?” I said, “I’d be very happy if you can do it. Imagine, I am a happily married woman. I’ve got my children and grandchildren. If somebody could do it, I’d be very happy. Why you should do it? Why do you feel your ego challenged? You had better do it. I don’t know anything. Many things I don’t know, like I can’t drive, I can’t type, I cannot do many things. But I don’t feel bad about it. Now I know this job. If I am doing it free, what is the harm? Now, if you can do it, then I would be very happy to retire.” She said, “I don’t know.” I said, “Let me do it.” They feel hurt you know, that I have to do it. But you can do it yourself. But first of all, get yourself enlightened. If the mother knows how to cook, let her cook. It’s a terrible job. Every night you sleep at 1 o’clock, 2 o’clock, get up at about 4 o’clock. Work like a… I don’t know what. And in the end you find people challenge you, “Why should you do it?” There are all kinds of people in England. Somebody asked me, “Why don’t you remove the poverty of India?” Just imagine. I said, “Now, I’m not here to remove poverty or anything. I’m here to give Self realization.” I said, “But I’m sorry it why you should ask such a question to me? Because who is responsible for our poverty in India? Who is? I shouldn’t say that. I’m sitting here in England on your soil. Who is responsible for the poverty of India? Such a question you are asking me. You please answer. Three hundred years they ruled us and now who is teaching me that I should go and remove the poverty of India. They still come. The second question that comes up. The great learned man, he said, “What about your population problem? Why don’t you solve it?” I said. “I’m sorry, you are also responsible for that.” He said, “How? How do we increase your population?” I said, “You do.” He said, “How?” I said, “Very simple. In this country of yours, this great country of yours, every day, two children are killed by the parents. [UNCLEAR] children are killed by the parents. Now which fool would like to take birth in this country of yours? We have to bear the load. Because you don’t have good parents, good mothers, mothers are becoming liberated, husbands are becoming abandoned. Who would like to take birth and you are having minus growth. Who should bear the growth because last judgement has started and people are taking their births and we have to bear the load in India and we are doing this for overpopulation. What should we do? It’s a curse, ultimately. It’s a fact. If you don’t have good families, if you don’t have love, if you don’t have good homes, why are children being born to you? Would you be born to parents where the father is a drunkard and the mother is liberated? Why should that people produce children I don’t understand. They don’t. In Germany they pay so much for a woman to produce a child but they don’t want to produce. They have funny ideas. In India if a woman doesn’t get a child, she will go to all those holy places, to all the saints and she’ll do everything to get the child. See the difference? So who is responsible for our overpopulation? You please tell me. So, prophets are not responsible, it’s the human beings. They don’t want to listen to a… To me, I don’t know how many of you are really going to settle down. But I’ll see to it; I’m quite tricky. I learnt lots of things in my last lives. I’m quite an expert. Seeker: A child who is brought up in what she describes as a good home with all the balance, dharma and so on, why does that child of two years die of cancer?Shri Mataji: If I could see the child, I would be able to tell you because it is a very hypothetical case you are giving me. I would like to see the child. Not I’m saying you get cancer because you lead a bad life – not at all. Sometimes very good people get it. They get affected by it.Say, there is a mother who is very strict. “Don’t do this.” “Don’t do that.” “Why don’t you get up early in the morning?” This, that, all the time speeds up the child. The child doesn’t know what to do. This disciplining. And then somebody comes in the house, “Why did you say like that? Why did you split the thing? Why? This carpet is more important than the child? This sofa is more important than the child. Then the child gets upset. It’s very common. The child is not given proper attention, neither proper dignity. He’s still led that like somebody who is a nuisance. Such a child can get blood cancer if the mother is extremely strict. Some children are slow; so let them be slow. Some people get up early in the morning, some get up a little late. Why make them such good citizens from their childhood. I’ve seen a few who are really great citizens. Let the children play. Let them enjoy themselves and you enjoy them. Let them live like flowers. They don’t. We try to discipline them and this disciplining is responsible for the teenage problem in all these countries. Seeker: It was detected at a very early age, a Ganesha problem.Shri Mataji: Oh, no. You see, my child, I know you are upset about it. But if I’d seen the case then I would have asked other questions. It’s very hypothetical, I’m saying. It could be something like that. People can detect, they cannot cure and there are many cases like that, many cases. There are some great souls who are born on this Earth; they take the load of others and die. Also, it’s possible. There can be anything. If I had seen the child, I would have told you. But just now, the patient is not before me, so it’s so hypothetical. You understand that, you see. But if I had seen the child as I told you- you’d be amazed, recently somebody showed me a photograph of a child who was born realized. It’s such a mature child. And his mother is taking a divorce and the father is an alcoholic. What would this poor child do? Just think of it. He is a born Realized child. He may take the load off his parents and may something happen to him, he may. It happens to many children after they take the load off their parents, especially the parents are quarrelling all the time. The children take the load. That’s why they go mad, it may happen. You see, anything can happen to them.There are violence’s things and violence is another kind of a possession only. There are many things. You cannot blame God for that. I know your worries are all right, but you don’t know who was in the house, how it happened, you cannot say, you see. It can be some sort of a thing, all right? If you tell me the whole case, privately, I will tell you what was the reason, all right? Seeker: How does the Kundalini become awakened? Shri Mataji: Ah, that’s it, That’s what I am going to do. That’s the million dollar question. I never say that because of your wrong doings or anything that these things happen, not that. It can be any reason. But some of the reasons are these. A person can die of starvation, because of the social problem, somebody can die of something. If you put the child in the sun he could get sun stroke; if you put him in the cold he could die or anything could happen. Not that you all have to die, that’s also definite. But the disease is… Another way of logic is the why you get certain diseases. It’s not entirely, there are other reasons also, but most of these are the reasons. This is the logical way of looking at this. It’s not that you are bad people, not at all. You are people who got lost very much. But you must know that if you make a mistake, say, if you put hot water on your hand it will burn, it has the capacity to burn. In the same way if you make some mistakes unknowingly because of your mind’s understanding of a subject it will happen, it happens like that many a time. Seeker: What if one of the chakras damaged by accident, if you have a severe accident of some sort and a spinal injury takes place… Shri Mataji: It has a problem if it is damaged but still I have seen it in Sahaja Yoga. We have people who are spastic and who have suffered back bones, who have broken back bones. They became straight and they started… Yesterday we had a case like that. There was a gentleman who used to use a stick when he walked, from childhood he was limping; he could not walk without a support. Now he walks without a support; he doesn’t drag his legs; he can stand on his legs. So, it can happen still. So even if it is damaged you shouldn’t worry. We have to work it out. Krishna has said, "Karmanye vadhikaraste Ma Phaleshu Kadachana,"means you have to do the job, you have to work it out, don’t worry about the fruits. That’s what my attitude is: if I do not do it, you are not going to hit me hard are you? If I cannot do it, I just cannot do it. I’m not yet selling anything nor have I taken anything from you. I’ll try and try and try. That’s all I can say. All right? Quite fair? Seeker: Do you use different healing processes for different illnesses or is it the same process? Shri Mataji: No, Kundalini is the basic thing. But it passes through various chakras and how to awaken the various chakras and deities we have to tell you how to do it. That’s what you have to learn and certain things like vibrated water and vibrated certain things are given to you to eat. For example liver people should eat sugar, which is cane sugar and that is vibrated. Then the diabetes people have to eat salt which is vibrated. Some things like that also help to expedite. So, there some few things like that are very simple and very cheap. Once I asked a lady that, “You bring one kilo of sugar.” And she was surprised. She thought I was going to take from her the sugar and open up a market of sugar. So you have to vibrate the sugar and when take the sugar home, you can eat it. It’s very simple; all very simple methods. I would request you to keep the Sunday free. I will definitely make myself available for you and I will tell you how to raise the Kundalini and how to give realization and how to read people. But we are not healers yet, we are Realized souls. Seeker: Can you tell me what [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: What are you wearing in your neck? Warren: She is just wearing some beads. She wants to know what wrong did she do to cause her to… Shri Mataji: No, she may not have done anything wrong. I would tell her what is the method entirely. But I will tell you what happens how accidents take place. Accidents take place because there are some spirits who are trying to disturb. They are there. Negative people who are there, not necessarily that you have done any wrong. There is a big fight going on between the Divine and the negative and they will always try to harm a seeker. From the very childhood a seeker is attacked, the better he is attacked more. It’s very common, I have seen. But I am here to cure it. I know it happens. It’s very bad but they are doing it and they do it all the time. They [UNCLEAR just waiting] even when you get your realization. When you go out they will capture you and they put ideas into your head. They do all kinds of things. So this is one idea to take out from your mind that there is any pain or any trouble it is because of your wrong or any mistakes. It can be the negative forces that can act upon you which are working it out. Even on the road you will find one spot you will always find an accident. But if you are a realized soul, if you get in an accident then you do not get into trouble and nobody gets: if you are in the car, in the bus or even in the train. It is the experience of many people; your are always saved. This is the difference because all the angels look after you. Seeker: Why do negative forces want to harm people? Shri Mataji: You’d better go and ask them. They are sadists; they enjoy hurting others; they like to destroy, they are destroying forces which are at play. They are all trying to destroy us in many ways. We have to be conscious of them and understand they are very deceptive and they are very attractive. You do not know why the destruction is not going to come from outside, it’s going to come from within you. One has to understand all these things. Through Sahaja Yoga when you have the light you start seeing them and how they work it out. Seeker: How should we protect ourselves? Shri Mataji: Yes, that is very important and that’s why I am saying you must come where he is saying. We will teach u everything. So many things are to be taught, isn’t it?. How to protect, that’s very important. Its important. You are to be protected, no doubt. Now, is it over? I think they have had enough of it. Let’s have the Kundalini awakening, alright? You have to take out your shoes because the Mother Earth also helps us a lot. That’s the star, eh? The juniper. This chakra. Warren: The Star of David. Shri Mataji: This one is the star of David. This chakra is the fifth. This one is. But how many understand? That’s the problem.

1981-03-25 Mooladhara and Swadhishthana, Sydney, Australia I bow to all the seekers of Truth. The other day, I told you a little bit about the first centre, called as Mooladhara Chakra, and Kundalini, which is the residual consciousness in the triangular bone called as sacrum. As I told you that this is the pure desire power which has not yet been awakened and is not yet manifested within you, which resides here waiting for a moment to arise and to give you your second birth, your baptism. It makes you at peace. It gives you your Self-realization. This pure desire is to be one with your Spirit. Unless and until it is fulfilled, those who are seeking will never be satisfied whatever they may do. Now, this first centre is very important because this was the first centre that was created when the Primordial Being started doing the job. This is the centre of innocence that is holiness. First thing that was created was holiness on this Earth. This centre is very important in all the human beings because animals have innocence, they have not lost it, while we have a right, or we can say, we have a freedom to abandon it. We can do it, we can somehow or other destroy it by our so-called ideas of freedom. This centre has a power to give us wisdom. Wisdom is such a word that cannot be explained. Wisdom is the balance between your understanding of what is good and what is bad. Where you really understand what is good for you, for your Spirit, is wisdom, and when this centre is alive and is not destroyed, then you really know what wisdom is. For example, the person who has got this centre very well developed can tell you whether it is the North or the South, because the magnetism that is in the Mother Earth. This centre is made by the element of Mother Earth. The magnetism that is in the Mother Earth is present in this centre. When the birds fly all the way from Siberia to Australia, they do it with the help of this centre, because they know whether they are moving northward or southward. They have an innate wisdom to know which way to move and that’s why one should know that this centre is also within us, but we have lost our sense of judgement because we have lost that magnetism within us. An innocent person is really like a magnet and it attracts; he attracts the people towards himself, just like a flower attracts a bee towards itself. There are some fishes in which they have found an actual magnetic field and in some of them, they have even found a regular magnet placed in certain fishes by which they know whether they are going North, South, East or West. This centre in us can be destroyed by various ways, as I told you last time. If you see from the top, there is a blue line coming down; this is the power of our desire, by which we desire and is the emotional side of a human being. When a person neglects his emotional side or does not respect his emotional side, then this centre gets lost, it gets very much destroyed. The emotional side in these modern times is not well understood by human beings. I’m sorry to say, but it is very true that when you destroy this centre, the first thing that sets in is impotency or over activity, like the rapist and all that are created because this centre is neglected. Both things are just the same in the eyes of God; any extreme is wrong. Those people who say that you can be enlightened through sex are really – I don’t know what to call them, because She is your Mother sitting down there; She is only your Mother, She has no other child and She is holiest of holy. She is the Holy Ghost within you and if you want to sex on your Mother, I don’t know if people understand that here. In India it’s impossible; we cannot understand this nonsense. So it’s the same insult to your Mother. Like some people try to insult Mother Mary by putting Christ in a very awkward situation with Her. It’s something like that we can say happens when you start talking like this. It’s a very great sin to do such a thing to your own Mother, which is the Kundalini and that’s why, the other day I told you, I have seen some people have Kundalini which is all the time tossing Her head and breaking Her whole body and just feeling so helpless because She’s made so weak because the holiness from a person is vanished. Our idea of holiness has become so perverted and to add up to that we have now gurus to tell us that it’s a very good thing to do, you’ll go to heaven. Actually they are very honest they say you’ll go to bottomless pit and bottomless pit means hell. Why do you need a guru for this? Actually you have mastered this art. I mean, in England when I went, I was amazed that they have sex about... I mean they talk of sex and sex and sex, morning till evening. I don’t understand. Like all impotent people talk. That’s how they go on talking about sex, all the time; it’s nothing but sex; it’s so filthy, so filthy. They talk sex with the animals, sex with the children, sex with… I don’t know what’s happening to human beings, how can they be that filthy? I wouldn’t be surprised after some time we will have our bathrooms inside our drawing rooms. You see there’s something like our privacy, something like our drawing room where we meet people. How can you talk of these things, and how can you discuss these things which are so private, and so sacred, and that’s how you lose them or you lose balance over them. This is one of the things that’s happening to us because God has given us freedom within, we can do what we like. But we have lost our wisdom. We have lost. I don’t know why this industrial revolution, or I don’t know whom to blame, but we have lost our wisdom to understand that these things are injurious. If it is not, we logically can say, why do we develop diseases? With free sex, all the sailors, you know under law, have to have in every port arrangements for getting injections for all kinds of complications that they have from sex life. Why is it you do not feel healthy every minute? You’ll lose all your health, all your charm is gone from your face, you’re sunken and you look so horrid. It’s a very good sign, just now, to see how nature reacts with it. So one has to be wise to understand that God has given us this thing to us, not to be insulted but for us to lead a good, normal married life, and not to waste our energies in this kind of thing. But when people start thinking about it, then it’s even worse. Then what happens, that this shifts from there the attention onto the other side and it goes to the yellow side, goes to the brain. When you start thinking about it, definite it is that you’ll become impotent. Definite, no doubt at a very early stage. Because it is a spontaneous thing. And when you start thinking about it, when your eyes starts roving here and there, be sure your attention is gone to something which is so localized, which is so different and which takes place only at a time when you are at a certain emotional spontaneity. It’s very out of date to talk of these things to people but if you are not careful about it, you have to find out the statistics of American young people and you will be amazed how many of them are suffering from horrible diseases. When I went to America, I found that nine out of ten young people who came to me were suffering from these horrible diseases and most of them were impotent. It’s a shocking truth. One has to face it as it is and not to say, “Oh. I’m alright, I’m alright.” This is not the way to look at things. We have to see the statistics that are being placed before us, and to know that there is something wrong about it and with your wisdom you have to reach certain conclusions about it. The second centre, which I call as a Swadhishthana centre, is also a very important centre within us. The first centre looks after all of our excretion; it has got four petals. In the same way, the pelvic plexus, which is manifested by that, which is a gross plexus within us, has also got four sub-plexuses. Another one that we have is the Swadhishthan centre which is the second centre. The second centre has got six petals and it supplies, or it manifests in the gross, the aortic plexus which has got six sub-plexuses. Now this centre is very important for us in the modern times; it is extremely important and I think neglect of this centre can create lots of problems. Now this centre if you see is connected with the brain and this centre is responsible for our action, is the centre of our creativity. When we think of the future, when we do any physical work, we use this centre for that purpose and one has to understand that these days we are developing lots of diseases because we have not understood what the function of this centre is. The foremost function of this centre is to convert the fat cells for the use of the gray matter in the head. When we think too much all the time about the future, we plan, we go on planning into all details. What happens is that this poor centre has to work very hard to produce new cells, one after another, for the use of your brain. Apart from that it has to do many other functions. It has to look after your liver, it has to look after your spleen, it has to look after your pancreas, your kidneys and also the uterus among women. If you start thinking too much, if you cannot stop your thinking, all the time your brain goes on thinking, a sort of a thinking process starts without your control, then this poor centre has to work all that, your liver goes out. When your liver goes out you must know that the liver is one of the most important things within us because it nourishes our attention (chitta). This attention, whenever it is spoiled, is spoiled because there are certain poisons within us; it can be physical poisons, it can be mental poisons, it can be emotional poisons. Any kind of poisons there are, especially the physical and the emotional ones, they go to this liver which sorts it out. The function of this liver is to sort it out. But when you are not giving it sufficient energy, you are using for thinking, then this poor centre is left behind; it has no nourishment, nobody looks after it and it becomes sluggish. When it becomes sluggish, all the heat accumulates in the liver, and such a person doesn’t get any temperature till he gets cirrhosis and he dies. When thinking goes on too much, people get tired of thinking, thinking too much. So they think, “Let’s have something that will take us away from thinking, which will give us a kick outside.” So they take some sort of a drug, or a drink, or alcohol and all that. All the saints in the world have said that alcohol is very dangerous for life. The reason is that it goes against our awareness. This is a fact; you know that after taking a drink our awareness becomes blurred or excited. It’s not normal. That is the reason they said no. In Sahaja Yoga I do not say don’t do this and don’t do that. I only want you to come to Sahaja Yoga, get your realization and then you’ll not ask for it. That’s a much better way to do it. But why they asked you – For example, if you read Moses, Moses has clearly said that these are strong drinks, very clearly. I don’t know if people read and they should be avoided. I don’t know if the Jews do that. They should not be taken, He has very clearly said it. Abraham said the same thing that drinks are not good. Why all these prophets talk about it? Because they are all born in that green patch of ours; they are all placed in this green patch where we get our sustenance, which is ten. We have got ten sustenances within us, like gold has a sustenance that it does not tarnish. In the same way, human beings have got ten sustenances. These ten sustenances are represented by great prophets. The principle is called as Adi Guru, in Sanskrit language, the Primordial Master. He has incarnated on this earth as Abraham, Moses, as Lao Tse, as Confucius, as Socrates, recently he has been as Sai Nath of Shirdi (not the other fellow), and other great people have been, like Nanaka, Janaka. All these great saints came on this Earth to tell us how to keep in the centre, how to keep our sustenance, how to be human beings. As carbon has got four valances, we too have got ten valances. We have to maintain those ten valances within us; that’s what they came to tell us. But if anybody says you don’t drink, half of the hall will be empty. If you say you cannot have free sex, five people will walk out. That’s the problem. Here nobody likes it, to know anything about it, but it’s a dangerous thing to do. Whatever it is, you have to keep in the centre. You have to be in the centre, and how to keep in the centre is not to go to extremes, be moderate, and a moderate life is the best way. But even if you have not been, it doesn’t matter. Kundalini is at this point in such a force that whatever you might have done, you get your realization quite alright. So is a different point, but what I am trying to tell you is this, that’s why these people said so. Mohammed Saheb is another who said don’t drink. He’s one of them, He’s just the same; there’s no difference, there’s no difference between Moses and Mohammed Saheb; I can prove it to you on vibrations. You can yourself know through vibrations that they were the same people, said the same thing. There’s no difference of any kind. It’s only people that are fighting. I don’t know why, I just can’t understand what is there to fight between these two. They were just the same, preached the same thing, and when Moses crossed the river and the bridge was made, that bridge is the bridge which is symbolic of the Kundalini that creates for you, to cross this Void within us. It’s very symbolic. They have worked so hard to tell you what is sustenance, where we have to be in the centre, because if you are in the sustenance, as He said, that only a thread of this Kundalini rises. It is not one thread that should rise. Actually I’ve seen in people the whole of it goes up like that and it stays there in many people, but the trouble is it rises because there’s no space to rise. We are finished off with the Swadhishthan and with another chakra which is in the centre, which is called as Nabhi Chakra means the navel centre. When you have an obstruction in the centre, naturally the Kundalini, though it rises with full force, all the things, all the threads fall down and only one somehow or other goes up and opens up the Sahasrara, thinking that at least if I open up there then the others, the grace will fall and maybe it will open out more. So this is the problem. That’s why they said that you lead a life which is moderate and temperate and this is what they preached, too. Now let us see what happens when we go to extremes. In the centre, as we have seen, is the sustenance within us. Now if you try to go beyond this side or that side, what happens, let us see. Beyond this side is the subconscious; if you go, you enter into the collective subconscious. On the other side, if you move, that is the supra-conscious, you enter into collective supra-conscious. Into this side are all the people on the left-side, are the people who are still dissatisfied, very sly, sinister, horrible people who are dead, who do not want to take birth and who still want to torture people absolutely. These are busy bodies, they can possess you, they do possess you. On the right hand side there are people like Hitler who are very ambitious, who have died out of their ambitions and things like that. They still exist there. Either you enter into this side or you enter into that side when you go to extremes and you just get possessed. It’s a very dangerous area you are entering into. Recently I was seeing a BBC program and some doctors had discovered a very interesting thing. They said that cancer is triggered by some proteins they call it protein 58, protein 56 or something like that. When these proteins attack us from some unknown areas within us which are built within us since our creation. What are these areas? This I’ve been telling for so many years is the left side and the right side, the two extremes. What we do when we go to the right side – the right side is the area where you think too much, where you project yourself into the future. Like that you go on, then you start becoming a person who is more interested in the future than the present. The centre is the present. Now you start projecting your mind into that [future], When you start projecting your mind too much into that, you start moving into that side. With that, anybody who is an austere person, they think that if you are a very austere person, you lead the life of celibacy and all this is nonsensical thing. If you lead a life of celibacy, it’s not going to help you at all. On the contrary, such a person becomes an extremely dry personality and ultimately dies of heart attack and such a person is so hard-headed, so hot-tempered that you must take a barge pole before you meet such a person. They are so cursing type, so unaware of other people’s health or anything that they can curse anyone and this is their job is to curse this one and curse that one and curse that one. They are extremely dry people. They might take to social work in the name of God or they’ll work like hell for the poor; they’re thinking they’re saving the poor and doing this and that and while, if you see them any other time, you’ll be sure that such a person is absolutely burning with fire. They have a horrible liver, very hot temper; there is no sweetness about them, there is no magnetism about them. All the people run away from them and they are like boiled sprouts, sitting on everybody’s head. Do this, do that, you haven’t done this, what are you doing? They will not sleep themselves and not allow anybody to sleep. They think that everybody is supposed to work under their thumb and these are the people who are very ego-oriented as shown there, are the people who move onto the right-hand side. Any austere ideas about religion can take you to this side and this austerity is very dangerous for human beings because it cuts you off from the whole. Such a person may be entrapped or possessed by some sort of a personality on the right-hand side. I know of a lady who is very well known in India and whose got a big prize and this and that for her social work. I happened to see her first time on an aeroplane when she had no prizes and all that. She came with some sort of an odd stuff with her and she wanted to sit in the front seat. So the air hostess said, “I’m sorry, this is reserved for some children who are sick and they have to go by this plane and we can’t give you this,” and the mother is there. She started fighting the mother, how many times she told them, and what do you think of yourself and this and that and she was just jumping from here to there and there to there and she wouldn’t allow the plane to leave. For half an hour she was fighting to sit down there and the amount of abuses she used for the air hostess, I was amazed. And she’s supposed to be a woman who should be given a peace prize or something like that? I don’t know, there was no peace on her face, neither around her and everybody was so disturbed with the way she was on about it. It was really shocking to see this personality who was so hot-tempered and so meticulous about things and she was arguing with her, “This was my seat and this was this and this was that.” Thank God, then they got her out and the plane left the place. But I’m telling you, such people can be frantically hot-tempered and can be so unaware of your presence there that you have to be very, very careful with them. Such people may look to be very, very successful in life and when they walk they have an upper lip and all sorts of things, but it takes no time for them to realize that it’s all tom-foolery going on. This kind of ego orientation can lead you to nothing but stupidity. A person can be extremely stupid and he doesn’t know how stupid he has been, because this is what’s wrong. A gentleman came to see us and he had a wife who was a mere sixteen years of age and the fellow was eighty years of age. Naturally, I thought he must be the grandfather, so I said, “Is she your granddaughter?” So my husband pinched me and said, “That’s his wife.” I said, “Really?” I said, “I’m sorry, I didn’t know she was your wife.” “What’s wrong, I can have a wife who is two-year-old. What’s wrong in it?” I said, “Nothing wrong, only thing is people will laugh at you, that’s all.” All sorts of stupid things people do in this world, and they think “What’s wrong?” This is the best way to get along with your stupidity, till they discover that you are the greatest stupid person ever. Now this stupidity comes from this ego going up and surrounding your brain completely. You cannot see anything else, you just see yourself, my room, my house, my, my, my. You cannot see that there are others, that you owe some sort of relationship to others, that you have to be kind to them, that you have to share things with them. You all the time think about yourself and such people get possessed by the supra-conscious style. What happens in spirituality in such people, they start feeling their body is lying here and they go up and sit in a tree; they think it is realization or enlightenment – just imagine. This is nothing but a supra-conscious spirit has entered and taken the body away and put it there. I had, I told you, three Americans coming from America and they were known to be very big scientists. They came to see me, and they said, “Mother, you have to teach us one thing.” I said, “What?” “We want to fly.” I said, “Flying? You’re already flying. What do you want to flying? They said, “No, but we want to fly with ESP.” I said, “You should not do that because if you do that then you are enslaved by these spirits and you do want to be enslaved by these spirits.” “Yes, whatever it is, enslavement or anything, we want to have this and we want to get this by which you fly.” I said, “Why?” They said, “Because Russia is doing it, and Russians are doing experiments with ESP so we should also do it.” I said, “If they are going to hell, are you also going to hell?” They said, “Yes. What’s wrong?” I said, “Nothing is wrong. Go with two running jumps, you can go very fast there. But as far as I am concerned I am not for it. I am not going to doom your life forever.” So I asked, “Who has sent you to me?” They said, “One Patanjali.” There is a fellow called Patanjali who is a journalist. I said, “This Patanjali has sent you?” “Yes, he has sent us to you. He was the man who used to leave his body, and run all over the places. He was a journalist, so he used to get the news before anybody knows, and he used to run out of his house and the wife was so surprised that one day he brought some sand and he said, “Yesterday, do you know where I was? I was on the [UNCLEAR] beach. From there I brought the sand for you.” She got such a fright, and he used to shake before any photograph of God or Christ or anyone, he used to shake like that, so she brought to me. She said, “This fellow is shaking. I don’t know what is happening. He is rattling, this Parkinson’s thing. I don’t know what is happening, and here, in the night, he disappears, I lock up everything and still he disappears, I don’t know what to do, it’s very shocking.” He said, “Sometimes I go and sit on a tree.” I said, “Really?” So I told him that, “You are possessed.” He said, “Mother, please take it away. I don’t want this nonsense. You don’t know where I will land up tomorrow. I could be anywhere, hanging in the air. I don’t want to do that and maybe my body won’t come back.” This is what people are doing now is to take out the Spirits. When they take out the Spirit from a person they keep it with them. Like the children, small children die in their sleep. If a mother is here and she has a child in America, and she says, “I want to talk to my child through a medium,” it’s a very dangerous thing. Never play with these mediums, very dangerous. And such a mother I know in Switzerland, she did that to a child and the child died in America, in the sleep. Because the distance is such that where there is day there is night; she was doing this in the daytime and the child was sleeping. She talked to the child, she heard his voice, everything she did … and the child died. Never go near these people who deal with spirits; it’s said by all the great people of the world, but we are not bothered. They say, “What’s wrong? We go to spirits, to ESP, to our elders who are dead, to our brothers and sisters.” Why bother them now they are dead. Let them be free. As it is you tortured their lives when they lived on this Earth. Why don’t you leave them be? Let them go and take their births. But we are not satisfied. We say, “No, we must talk to them. We have seances, we hold hands, call spirits and do this.” But do you know what happens with them? First of all no realization. Very difficult for such people. Even if you get realization and all that, you have lots of problems. I’ve seen people go mad, because these spirits are dirty things. Supposing you have called me. I am an Indian, so now you are exposed to India. You must know you are exposed to India and you have no control over the people who are coming down from these areas and you are just being possessed. They possess you, your family, everything and is a fact that these horrible things that act or that call or that try to show that they are helping you, are the people who are just taking money from you. But they are going to be condemned much worse than you. The people who are mediums, who are clairvoyants, have used these things and all this, we’ll call these Guru’s from Tibet. There’s nothing like that. Anybody who’s a realized soul will never come into anybody. No Guru can come into anybody, take it from me, because they know the value of freedom. They will never do it. It’s a very mean thing to do. To them who are dead and to yourself who is living and is such a beautiful thing created by God. You get possessed by all these nonsensical things and black magic Talisman and I don’t know how you educated people can take to it. I would say that you are naîve. Because in India we know this, we know all this, we know all this materialization and all business, we know very well. Of course, all the young people do not know now. Because I am an ancient person, we all knew about it; we called it Bhanumati (Name of a sorceress queen), we called it Preta Vidya, Shamshana Vidya, Bhoota Vidya; there are books and books about it, what these things are done. They’re black magic, voodoo, and all sorts of things that you call them, but you have no knowledge about it. For example, we put all our dead bodies in the church. I don’t know who told, where is it written in the Bible? I don’t understand, why should you put your dead bodies in the church? Alright, if you want to have a church for the dead bodies, let them be along with the dead bodies. You are living people. Why do you sit on top of dead bodies there and have all the bhoots and these devils coming on you and sitting on your heads? Only a realized soul is a person who should be buried in a church; only a realized soul. In India, it is a custom that all people are burned except for a realized soul, because they never try to possess anyone, they never try to disturb. On the contrary, they help us in so many ways. They are not the people who will just come to disturb your life or to give you some encouragement. Sometimes you feel very happy also with that because you feel that your responsibility is taken over, they have taken your responsibility and you feel quite relieved. In the beginning you feel quite nice; it’s a good sensation, “Oh, I feel peace,” you think, because somebody else has come into your house and he is going to use all your house and you’ll be left behind. And then you become ridiculous. Such people you’ll find put the cloth in the mouth like this, look like that, and they are very much frightened and afraid. Of course, before me they shake like this, all sorts of things happen. Now there is another trend about it. If you say that these are possessed people and this and that, the left side ones are even worse. Left side ones are the ones who go into the spirit business, very much, but there are two types of spirit businesses. One can give supra-concious, and one can give even subconscious. And the subconscious is very easily available because they are busy bodies, all these spirits, and in the subconscious area they are busy bodies and very mean and sly and dirty people. For example, a woman dies young without marriage. She would like to trouble a married woman, she’s jealous. And that’s why there are certain rules and regulations in our life, one should understand, by which you should avoid all these things. Take your psychologists as their psychologists do not know what they’re facing. They treat mad people. I told you about Freud, he was half-baked because he only knew about this power of desire which he called conditioning and all that. But he did not know there was another one which is our ego. He said you take out all your conditioning; you don’t have any conditioning whatsoever. So where do you go? You land up in “What’s wrong?” Ego orientated. Then you form another cult by saying we must destroy our cult. You go on saying that to yourself, “Oh, you are good for nothing, you are useless, all the time kill your ego.” So you become a recluse. These two things happen with the extremes of this movement of this centre. Through this centre you either go to the left or the right. Now what is the real thing? This is the center of creativity. Creativity and the knowledge of the Divine. Knowledge of the Divine is when you get your realization, you get the cool vibrations of the Holy Ghost and you have to know how to raise the Kundalini of others, and you have to know how to correct yourself. You have to know how to know all of these centers and also you have to find out all the absolute questions you have got within your mind. This has to happen to you. This realization has to happen because this is in your own right you are having. Now you are a human being and you have to become a super human being. I’m not doing anything about it. As I said, I’m just cashing your bank accounts. But if bank accounts are so much on the left or right it’s rather difficult. You have to give lots of grace marks and sort of overdrafts are there. So one has to understand that better be in the centre. Not to go to these things. Why, why, for what? What are you going to gain out of these things? Are you going to go to your Spirit? Are you going to become your Self? Why, for just a little game here, a little game there? Why are you going to these horrid people? They will take you to such a horrible extreme that maybe you may not be able to return. In London I was surprised there was a doctor whom I knew by relationship and he came to see me and he said, “I’ve lost all my jobs, everything because I’m very depressed. I can’t work. I don’t know what happens to me. I’m extremely depressed. I’ve lost the zest to work. I do not feel anything, I’m just gone. I’m very depressed. And every time I try to work I get again depressed. I’m very tired.” I asked him did he go to anyone of these tantrikas and this type of person and he said, “Never. But my grandfather was a tantrika.” He used to do this black magic business and now see the grandson is suffering because of it. Later on he was cured. We have one Australian here who was a Russian doctor, his grandmother had a habit of taking the child to the cemetery in the early ages of his life. He remembers that very well and after some time he became so depressed he lost his job, he couldn’t work. He used to get a headache and all sorts of things used to happen. Cramps use to come in his hands. When he came to me he got cured but it took some time because in childhood all the impressions of these spirits were there. So one has to understand how to keep dead away from you. You have to be in the present and not in the dead. Whosoever is dead is finished. Have you ever noticed a monkey, if a child of a monkey dies, before the death the monkey will be shouting and screaming and doing all kinds of things. As soon as the thing dies it leaves. It’s not bothered. You can see with dogs and so many things, it’s not bothered about it, it knows it’s gone. That’s why it is said that if somebody is dead, think of God and you sing songs and things like that and do not indulge into it too much. But we have forgotten all those things and the way we do about dead things sometimes, it is so far. That actually most of us live, then when doing all this, we live in the past with it. We live in the past and such people also see some ghosts and things and some of them who were like this have seen my past and have been shaking before me, they all shake before me like this. They go on shaking, they cannot sit straight they go on shaking like this, they go on shaking like that, all the time their bodies shaking, they have no control over their body. So one has to understand that these things are absolutely dangerous for human beings. We are human beings, we are not dead bodies, we are not that. But the worst thing is that those who indulge into these things are caught up by the proteins which doctors have said are nothing but these dead spirits. They are saying proteins because they don’t understand. These are the dead spirits, cancer is caused only by the attack of the dead spirits. I have not come across a single case whom I have treated, and I have treated many, who have not got the affectation of the spirit. Now in realization, when you get your realization, you catch up on this or this, these are the two Swadhishthan which were marked. I hope you put your hands like this. You will get your realization as well when I am talking to you. Just like this, please, and put both the feet straight on the ground, just like this. Now I was telling you that when you put your hands like this, first the cool breeze starts flowing in. But when you have got your realization you put your hand on somebody to test it, you catch on this one. That means it is unauthorised. Unauthorised working of the Divine can be subconscious area, can be supra-conscious, can be psychologist or anyone, can catch on this. When you work on your mind. Your mind is the superego there, the blue one is the mind. When you have, somehow or other, gone to some person or had something to do with black magic yourself, then you catch on this finger, this left Swadhishthan, as we call it. When you catch on this you have to say that you believe in the Divine working, in the pure working of the Divine and that’s called as Nirmala Vidya. Nirmala means pure, the pure knowledge of the technique of how to raise your Kundalini. When you say that, this gets alright and the spirits leave you. There are many people who have come to me who have been mad, and they say, “How by Kundalini do you cure mad people? What do you do about it?” Nothing, I just give them Kundalini awakening. Then when the Kundalini awakens, when She goes to this center, which is the second centre within us, the enlightenment takes place. The deity there of creativity gets awakened and with the light, this darkness within you just disappears, just goes away. Epilepsy can be cured. If somebody is suffering from Epilepsy there’s a very simple method of curing that person. Extremely simple. When you come next I’ll tell you how to get such a person cured. It’s very simple. Sahaja Yoga is a spontaneous living method by which you can cure people as a by-product of Kundalini awakening. It’s not that I’m here as a healer and I going about and, “Give me ten dollars for healing.” It’s not that. It’s just when Kundalini gets awakened you get cured. You get a good health because the Kundalini passes through this centre which is responsible for the physical side. If your physical side is alright then your health is alright. But there are other things within you. There is your emotional side and also there is your mental side and also you have got above all is the spiritual. All these things are to be enlightened through Kundalini awakening. The first thing that happens to you is that your health improves, no doubt. All kinds of things like paralysis, cancer, diabetes – diabetes is curable by Sahaja Yoga. This I must explain to you how diabetes is cured. Diabetes is caused by people who think too much, again. So this centre has to work very hard and it cannot give sufficient attention to the pancreas which is on the left-hand side. Because of that the left-hand side becomes frozen and the right-hand side is working very hard. Now how do you cure your diabetes. The only way is, if you are a realized soul, you give vibrations to the pancreas and give a balance to a person. There’s a way of balancing it. If you can balance the thing, people get rid of their diabetes permanently. Arthritis also can be cured, but now I must tell you about the spleen which is a very important thing within us and I think everyone one of you must understand it in a full way. Spleen, we do not know how important it is within us. It is the speedometer. It looks after the speed we have. The way we are speedy these days we are really telescoping it. We talk telescopically. We walk telescopically. We are very speedy people. And this speediness comes to us when our spleen has gone crazy. How does the spleen go crazy? It’s very simple. Now the spleen is there to create new RBCs, red corpuscles to meet all the emergencies you go through. For example, you are eating your food and it’s an emergency. You need more of the red blood corpuscles. So this spleen starts emitting more red blood corpuscles. But at the same time you have the 9 o’clock news and you hear something horrid. Another emergency is created. Then suddenly you eat your food and run. Third emergency is created. This poor spleen gets absolutely crazy. It does not know when to produce what blood cells. It doesn’t know what to do with you because suddenly you have three or four things together. You’ll be having your breakfast, putting one foot in the car, talking to somebody. That side you hear somebody saying, “Get in, get in.” And all this is going on simultaneously. This poor spleen doesn’t know which way to move. So it becomes crazy. And then the attack comes somehow and blood cancer is set in. Blood cancer is the result of speediness. So one has to be very careful that our spleen must be alright. I am warning you as a Mother. I know these problems. We have cured blood cancer but it’s a horrible disease and once it gets over, within one week they say it finishes off. We have cured many cases of blood cancer which were declared to dead after eight days. That’s how they give a certificate – after eight days or after one month, that’s the certificate you get in the hospital, you will die. But in Sahaja Yoga one can try to cure them. They have been cured and when they went to the doctors, “Oh,” they said, “I know, it was really remarkable but we can’t believe it was Sahaja Yoga.” Even if a doctor is cured they’ll say, “Oh, this doctor has gone mad now. He’s talking like this. How can that be?” Here they have certified the person is going to die in eight days and there he’s cured and going strong after two years or so. They’ll say there must be something. They do not want to accept because this challenges their knowledge. But I am not here to take away their profession. They can have lots of patients. I am not here to cure people. It’s just the seekers who come to me for realization are blessed by divine grace and they get very good health. They get cured because they are seekers. They are the men of God, they have to become the prophets. When they become the prophets in this era, they have to convert others in the same way, and they will make them prophets. It was said by William Blake about a hundred years back. He has described all these things in his book Milton. You will be surprised. He has gone to such a limit of prophecy, that he was such a seer that he has even described where I lived, in Surrey Hills. "The first beacons will be lit in "...Surrey Hills, and also he has said where our ashram is going to be in the ruins because we had no money so they purchased a ruined place"... in the ruins, the foundations will be laid in Lambeth Way". And there it is. Our ashram it has come to Lambeth Way and here is her loom vibrates the sinew of love. This is going to become the Jerusalem. Just imagine, a person a hundred years back could see. He was such a seer and he has written all about it. But human beings are not sensitive to things. I went to see his exhibition. He was a great artist. I was amazed. They were just seeing how he has shown nude women in the hell, just imagine. You went there to see this? This is like we went to see a flower show and there you are picking up all the filth and dirt. Is this the way to look at beautiful things? See for beauty and think of beauty and then you are beauty. Why should you desire these ugly things in life? Why should you not desire something that is so beautiful and that is your Spirit. This the second centre I have told you. This is the one which limits our religion in the sense of our sustenance. Not the religion in the way you understand, because all these religions are just like flowers on one living tree, have been plucked by people and they say, “This is mine.” “This is mine.” “This is mine.” And they have made these flowers very ugly and such flowers are decayed. The whole attention should be on becoming the Spirit. If it is not so, the rest of it is not God’s work. God’s work is just to awaken your Kundalini. It’s the living work because if He is the living God, He has to do the living work. His work is to transform a little flower into a fruit, which you cannot do. In the same way you cannot pulsate the Kundalini, but it will pulsate when you come to Sahaja Yoga. You will see with your naked eyes the pulsation rising over here and you can see your baptism taking place. It is written by so many people and they have said, like Kalidas has said. We had a great poet Kalidasa who has described Sahaja Yoga about three, four hundred years back. And we had Adi Shankaracharya who has very clearly said all these things I am telling you. But this was a knowledge limited to few people. Even Krishna talked to one, Arjuna. Christ talked to some multitudes and they crucified Him because they couldn’t understand Him, what He was talking. What was there to crucify Him. They did not recognize Him. Moses – how many people recognized him? Abraham – how many people recognized him? They were never recognized, never understood, that was the problem, and this is what one has to understand. The time has come now to recognize, to understand. Recognize yourself that you are the Spirit – not this body, not this mind, not this ego – but you are the Spirit. And not the gurus, so called. The one who does not give you your spiritual realization is not a Guru, is not a Guru. You must understand. You must understand this is the thing of Guru. The Primordial Master who tells you to be in the centre, who tells you all things that are to be done in the name of religion. In the name of religion everyone has said the same thing. Now I don’t say anything like that because I know how to handle the situation. We had a doctor in London who was an alcoholic who came to me. He got his realization and the next day he gave it up. He just didn’t want to have it. He said, “Now I am enjoying myself. I’m not bored. I don’t even remember it.” But he went to Germany and after two to three months, he said, “I used to like one wine. Let me try, how it is.” So he went and had that wine. When he had it he felt like vomiting, absolutely. He said it was smelling. Then I don’t have to tell you don’t steal, don’t talk filthy, don’t do this – nothing. I have a granddaughter, who is a realized soul. Two children, two granddaughters are realized souls and one of them came. Later on she said, “Grandmother, did you have to read this stupid thing called as moral science?” I said, “No, why?” “This is foolish isn’t it? They tell us not to tell lies, don’t steal. Are we servants? Why should we tell lies? Why should they tell us all these things? I don’t like it.” So the little one says, “Oh, they are stupid people. How can they say like this? Why should we do it?” There is no temptation there. We don’t have to tell you there’s not a temptation. You are awakened. Your dharma is there, your sustenance is awakened. We are human beings. if we have to pass through a dirty lane then we cannot do it. We feel horrible, we close our noses, we feel the smell of the dirt and the filth. But you take a horse, [UNCLEAR], he walks very nicely, he’s not bothered, he doesn’t get the smell. In the same way your awareness gets enlightened. Then whatever is sinful, you do not like. You just don’t like it. Whatever takes you away from Spirit you don’t like it because you lose your vibrations. Now another center is also very important. It is for our wellbeing, called as Nabhi Chakra, about which I’ll tell you next time because already I’ve told you quite elaborately. Moreover I would like to have questions from you today, also. But, like last time, don’t go on asking questions and the same person asking. One person should ask only one question and a sensible question because you are seekers. Don’t waste your time and don’t waste time of others, alright? Thank you very much. Seeker: Is reincarnation is necessary until the body gains true realization? Shri Mataji: That is again you are thinking about the past. Why to worry? You have incarnated many of times, no doubt about it. Now, at this is point where are you? There is no need to have reincarnations. Who is going to count? From ameba to this stage, how many times you have incarnated I don’t know. Forget it. At this time you have to have your Spirit enlightened. Forget about the past. They’ll ask me, especially in India, “Was I a king? Was I this? Was I that?” I said, “I am not bothered about the history.” There was a boy, very scholarly, who came and asked me, “Was I Napoleon in my past life?” I said, “Why?” He said, “Even if I was don’t tell me, otherwise I’ll jump in the sea.” I said, “No. Why? What makes you think that way?” He said, “Because I’m very ego oriented. My ego is collossal and another point is that I am very good at drawing. So I think these two combinations are only possible in Napoleon.” I said, “No, no, you were not Napoleon, don’t you worry.” He said, “Otherwise I would jump in the sea and take another incarnation.” So don’t worry about these things. It can be quite diviating. There is a big show going on everywhere: “What was my last lives? Somebody said you were in Egypt.” What does it matter? Whether you were in Egypt or Timbuktu, what does it matter? This is a big story going on. People save money. Now tell me about this and they are telling also very nicely about these things. You must ask the person, “What were you last time?” Must have been a donkey. Otherwise why is he taking money for this? Seeker: Have you read Sir Arthur’s Apocalypse. Shri Mataji: Haan. I’ve read it, baba. I don’t know what to say. I don’t know how he wrote. There’s no honesty about it. There’re so many books. I’ve seen such big books written. I was surprised how he could write such big books without knowing anything about it. He is so confused, contradictory. I’ve always had a great admiration for Western people that they were honest, whether they did wrong or were thieves, they were honest about it. But this one, I don’t know from where did he get such courage to write about Kundalini without knowing a word about it. Horrid, absolutely. All these books, so many. This one book I read was like a person coming from a village and putting his hand into the plug and saying that I got a shock. He doesn’t know anything, they are so naîve, not only naîve but, in his case, I think, he’s not entitled, he is not suitable. You have to be a very holy person. To do that you have to become compassion, you have to be love, you have to be pure. It’s all money-making propositions. Write about Kundalini because it is unknown. Everything is a money-making proposition these days, in the name of God, in the name of religion, in the name of Kundalini, in the name of all categories because there is no authority that can catch you, and who are you? People who are seekers, who are true seekers, who are innocent, who are simple, uncomplicated [UNCLEAR]. If you’ve read too many books, I’ll have a problem with you. First of all, you have to throw all these books in the sea. You have all the books in your head and you are lost. Your Self is lost. I really tell you, it’s very true. This one is standing here, with the face. He gave me such a bad time for some time. And the shaking and he had all sorts of things happen to him when he first came to me. He had read all the books from A to Z, from this side to this side. There is no book which he left. I said, “Now, at least leave one book for me to read.” Seeker: Is there a difference between being awakened and realization? Shri Mataji: Very good question. There is a difference between awakening and realization, it’s true. It awakens, it passes. You can see with your naked eyes in many people. If there is an obstruction, you can see it. It passes through various chakras; you can see it. In some people it is so slow-moving, otherwise it takes just a split of a second. But if there’s an obstruction you can see it and the awakening has taken place. But the breaking of the Sahasrara is the realization where you get a cool breeze in the hands. If you don’t get cool breeze in the hands at least you get cool breeze here, minimum. Sometimes this centre is very bad in many people. Then you don’t feel it in the hands but you must feel it here. But still it’s just the beginning, just the germination. Like Christ has said, “Some people fell on here and some there.” It happens like that. So awakening is not the end of it, it’s just the beginning. It has started and then realization is established. First when the Kundalini goes over this chakra you get a state called thoughtless awareness, where there is no thought in your mind. It’s very easy to get. This is the centre of Christ. It goes above that. When it passes through all these centers of Moses and Abraham and all that, it passes through the centre of Christ, it passes through this Brahmarandra fontanel bone when you get your baptism, then you feel the cool breeze in the hands. But it may be sucked back into a places where there is a problem. Because with me I’ve seen people get it just like that, it flows like a great river in flood. It happens, but then sometimes it comes back. But once it is awakened it is awakened. You have to learn how to establish it. It’s a very good question my child. Seeker: there’s one school of thought describes enlightenment as a static process. What you’ve described is a dynamic process. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s not static; how can that be? It’s a living process. You become collectively conscious. You become that. You become really dynamic because your awareness has a new dimension. You become collectively conscious, you start feeling another personality, you start feeling your Self, you start getting the power how to raise the Kundalini; you don’t know how many powers you get. It’s like this: say, you get a big, huge a television. If I say there is music here, song here, drama here – it’s a myth. We can’t see anything. You bring a television and put it to the mains, you see the miracle. That’s what you are; you are really dynamic, immediately. Dynamic is not the word; there is no word to describe how you are made. It’s so beautifully done. Once you are put to the mains all your powers start flowing. There’s no end to it. It’s so miraculous, so wonderful. I wish you could see one of my photographs that they have taken which you would not be able to explain; I think next time I will bring it along. You become so dynamic. If you have seen in my book, Advent, is a person, a very ordinary person. He was a gardener, got his realization and he had never handled a camera or he did not know how to handle a camera. He once took a camera and took my photograph and that is such a wonderful photograph he has taken. Since then he has discovered he can take photographs very well, he can paint very well, he can sing very well. And you become really so dynamic and inexhausting, go on producing art. Still, human beings, as they are, they get caught up in ego, get caught up in superego. But, I must say, Mohammed Saheb is the one who has told us lots of things, lots of secrets, how to get rid of all these things. They all have added to the knowledge of Sahaja Yoga to such an extent that we should have gratitude for all of them. Seeker: What is the difference between mind or consciousness and spirit and spirit or consciousness which isn’t mind? Shri Mataji: This is a subject I’ll be discussing later on at length. But the Spirit is the one that resides in the heart which is the reflection of God Almighty. By knowing the Spirit only you become collectively conscious and that’s why you know the universal being is God. This is a simple answer and another is maya, is that black thing you see there. She’s a maya which is the conditioned stuff called as superego. And the intellect is the one that is on this side, is the ego, Mr. Ego. So it’s all limited stuff within ourself. So this stuff is very different and this one is in the centre of it. That’s a very different thing. So all these things I’ll be explaining later on when I’ll be discussing all these points. Seeker: Could you just repeat what you were saying before about the thumbs? Shri Mataji: Yes, these fingers, as you see there, are suggestive of the centres that are within us. This finger, if you see the thumb, has got the same color as that. So when you find a burning on the fingers or you find numbness; numbness is bad because numbness is a suggestive of death, or towards death or thinking of death. I’ve seen people from Sweden, those people all have numb fingers. They are a cult and I said, “What are doing?” They said, “We are planning how to commit suicide.” This is a result of their affluence. Young people, from 17 to 21 are just learning how to commit suicide and there is a competition between the Swiss and the Swedish and these days Swiss are higher. This finger, this thumb is responsible for this centre. If you have a problem in your liver you’ll feel this pulsing. Nabhi is the centre. You can see that. You have got the book. Please buy the book from these people, which is, of course, at a very nominal price whatever they have taken for printing and go through it and see for yourself what it is. Seeker: After so many prophets have been writing so much, why is it that it’s been so hidden and the truth has been very difficult to see? Shri Mataji: It is very difficult. Human beings, really, I don’t know what to call them because they never understand what Christ – They didn’t allow Him to live for four years. What to do? Abraham, Moses, you know what they did to them. All the prophets, what you did to them. There are so many good gurus in India. In Jammu I know a very good one, and also in England I know one but they are hiding. They don’t want to fix it. I told them, I asked one of them to go to America, with big coaxing. I paid them money. I said, “Please, go and work with them. I can’t go to America.” Within three days he ran away from New York and he said, “Mother, I can’t do these people. They do not want their Spirit. They want other things, they want money, they want this, they want that.” They do not understand before, they would never recognize before. That’s why Christ had said one thing that, “I’ll forgive you anything you have done against Me. But against the Holy Ghost nothing would be forgiven.” Because you will know what the Holy Ghost is. Recognition is the most difficult thing for the ego. There was a lady today who said, “Why should you do it?” I said, “I’d be very happy if you can do it. Imagine, I am a happily married woman. I’ve got my children and grandchildren. If somebody could do it, I’d be very happy. Why you should do it? Why do you feel your ego challenged? You had better do it. I don’t know anything. Many things I don’t know, like I can’t drive, I can’t type, I cannot do many things. But I don’t feel bad about it. Now I know this job. If I am doing it free, what is the harm? Now, if you can do it, then I would be very happy to retire.” She said, “I don’t know.” I said, “Let me do it.” They feel hurt you know, that I have to do it. But you can do it yourself. But first of all, get yourself enlightened. If the mother knows how to cook, let her cook. It’s a terrible job. Every night you sleep at 1 o’clock, 2 o’clock, get up at about 4 o’clock. Work like a… I don’t know what. And in the end you find people challenge you, “Why should you do it?” There are all kinds of people in England. Somebody asked me, “Why don’t you remove the poverty of India?” Just imagine. I said, “Now, I’m not here to remove poverty or anything. I’m here to give Self realization.” I said, “But I’m sorry it why you should ask such a question to me? Because who is responsible for our poverty in India? Who is? I shouldn’t say that. I’m sitting here in England on your soil. Who is responsible for the poverty of India? Such a question you are asking me. You please answer. Three hundred years they ruled us and now who is teaching me that I should go and remove the poverty of India. They still come. The second question that comes up. The great learned man, he said, “What about your population problem? Why don’t you solve it?” I said. “I’m sorry, you are also responsible for that.” He said, “How? How do we increase your population?” I said, “You do.” He said, “How?” I said, “Very simple. In this country of yours, this great country of yours, every day, two children are killed by the parents. [UNCLEAR] children are killed by the parents. Now which fool would like to take birth in this country of yours? We have to bear the load. Because you don’t have good parents, good mothers, mothers are becoming liberated, husbands are becoming abandoned. Who would like to take birth and you are having minus growth. Who should bear the growth because last judgement has started and people are taking their births and we have to bear the load in India and we are doing this for overpopulation. What should we do? It’s a curse, ultimately. It’s a fact. If you don’t have good families, if you don’t have love, if you don’t have good homes, why are children being born to you? Would you be born to parents where the father is a drunkard and the mother is liberated? Why should that people produce children I don’t understand. They don’t. In Germany they pay so much for a woman to produce a child but they don’t want to produce. They have funny ideas. In India if a woman doesn’t get a child, she will go to all those holy places, to all the saints and she’ll do everything to get the child. See the difference? So who is responsible for our overpopulation? You please tell me. So, prophets are not responsible, it’s the human beings. They don’t want to listen to a… To me, I don’t know how many of you are really going to settle down. But I’ll see to it; I’m quite tricky. I learnt lots of things in my last lives. I’m quite an expert. Seeker: A child who is brought up in what she describes as a good home with all the balance, dharma and so on, why does that child of two years die of cancer?Shri Mataji: If I could see the child, I would be able to tell you because it is a very hypothetical case you are giving me. I would like to see the child. Not I’m saying you get cancer because you lead a bad life – not at all. Sometimes very good people get it. They get affected by it.Say, there is a mother who is very strict. “Don’t do this.” “Don’t do that.” “Why don’t you get up early in the morning?” This, that, all the time speeds up the child. The child doesn’t know what to do. This disciplining. And then somebody comes in the house, “Why did you say like that? Why did you split the thing? Why? This carpet is more important than the child? This sofa is more important than the child. Then the child gets upset. It’s very common. The child is not given proper attention, neither proper dignity. He’s still led that like somebody who is a nuisance. Such a child can get blood cancer if the mother is extremely strict. Some children are slow; so let them be slow. Some people get up early in the morning, some get up a little late. Why make them such good citizens from their childhood. I’ve seen a few who are really great citizens. Let the children play. Let them enjoy themselves and you enjoy them. Let them live like flowers. They don’t. We try to discipline them and this disciplining is responsible for the teenage problem in all these countries. Seeker: It was detected at a very early age, a Ganesha problem.Shri Mataji: Oh, no. You see, my child, I know you are upset about it. But if I’d seen the case then I would have asked other questions. It’s very hypothetical, I’m saying. It could be something like that. People can detect, they cannot cure and there are many cases like that, many cases. There are some great souls who are born on this Earth; they take the load of others and die. Also, it’s possible. There can be anything. If I had seen the child, I would have told you. But just now, the patient is not before me, so it’s so hypothetical. You understand that, you see. But if I had seen the child as I told you- you’d be amazed, recently somebody showed me a photograph of a child who was born realized. It’s such a mature child. And his mother is taking a divorce and the father is an alcoholic. What would this poor child do? Just think of it. He is a born Realized child. He may take the load off his parents and may something happen to him, he may. It happens to many children after they take the load off their parents, especially the parents are quarrelling all the time. The children take the load. That’s why they go mad, it may happen. You see, anything can happen to them.There are violence’s things and violence is another kind of a possession only. There are many things. You cannot blame God for that. I know your worries are all right, but you don’t know who was in the house, how it happened, you cannot say, you see. It can be some sort of a thing, all right? If you tell me the whole case, privately, I will tell you what was the reason, all right? Seeker: How does the Kundalini become awakened? Shri Mataji: Ah, that’s it, That’s what I am going to do. That’s the million dollar question. I never say that because of your wrong doings or anything that these things happen, not that. It can be any reason. But some of the reasons are these. A person can die of starvation, because of the social problem, somebody can die of something. If you put the child in the sun he could get sun stroke; if you put him in the cold he could die or anything could happen. Not that you all have to die, that’s also definite. But the disease is… Another way of logic is the why you get certain diseases. It’s not entirely, there are other reasons also, but most of these are the reasons. This is the logical way of looking at this. It’s not that you are bad people, not at all. You are people who got lost very much. But you must know that if you make a mistake, say, if you put hot water on your hand it will burn, it has the capacity to burn. In the same way if you make some mistakes unknowingly because of your mind’s understanding of a subject it will happen, it happens like that many a time. Seeker: What if one of the chakras damaged by accident, if you have a severe accident of some sort and a spinal injury takes place… Shri Mataji: It has a problem if it is damaged but still I have seen it in Sahaja Yoga. We have people who are spastic and who have suffered back bones, who have broken back bones. They became straight and they started… Yesterday we had a case like that. There was a gentleman who used to use a stick when he walked, from childhood he was limping; he could not walk without a support. Now he walks without a support; he doesn’t drag his legs; he can stand on his legs. So, it can happen still. So even if it is damaged you shouldn’t worry. We have to work it out. Krishna has said, "Karmanye vadhikaraste Ma Phaleshu Kadachana,"means you have to do the job, you have to work it out, don’t worry about the fruits. That’s what my attitude is: if I do not do it, you are not going to hit me hard are you? If I cannot do it, I just cannot do it. I’m not yet selling anything nor have I taken anything from you. I’ll try and try and try. That’s all I can say. All right? Quite fair? Seeker: Do you use different healing processes for different illnesses or is it the same process? Shri Mataji: No, Kundalini is the basic thing. But it passes through various chakras and how to awaken the various chakras and deities we have to tell you how to do it. That’s what you have to learn and certain things like vibrated water and vibrated certain things are given to you to eat. For example liver people should eat sugar, which is cane sugar and that is vibrated. Then the diabetes people have to eat salt which is vibrated. Some things like that also help to expedite. So, there some few things like that are very simple and very cheap. Once I asked a lady that, “You bring one kilo of sugar.” And she was surprised. She thought I was going to take from her the sugar and open up a market of sugar. So you have to vibrate the sugar and when take the sugar home, you can eat it. It’s very simple; all very simple methods. I would request you to keep the Sunday free. I will definitely make myself available for you and I will tell you how to raise the Kundalini and how to give realization and how to read people. But we are not healers yet, we are Realized souls. Seeker: Can you tell me what [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: What are you wearing in your neck? Warren: She is just wearing some beads. She wants to know what wrong did she do to cause her to… Shri Mataji: No, she may not have done anything wrong. I would tell her what is the method entirely. But I will tell you what happens how accidents take place. Accidents take place because there are some spirits who are trying to disturb. They are there. Negative people who are there, not necessarily that you have done any wrong. There is a big fight going on between the Divine and the negative and they will always try to harm a seeker. From the very childhood a seeker is attacked, the better he is attacked more. It’s very common, I have seen. But I am here to cure it. I know it happens. It’s very bad but they are doing it and they do it all the time. They [UNCLEAR just waiting] even when you get your realization. When you go out they will capture you and they put ideas into your head. They do all kinds of things. So this is one idea to take out from your mind that there is any pain or any trouble it is because of your wrong or any mistakes. It can be the negative forces that can act upon you which are working it out. Even on the road you will find one spot you will always find an accident. But if you are a realized soul, if you get in an accident then you do not get into trouble and nobody gets: if you are in the car, in the bus or even in the train. It is the experience of many people; your are always saved. This is the difference because all the angels look after you. Seeker: Why do negative forces want to harm people? Shri Mataji: You’d better go and ask them. They are sadists; they enjoy hurting others; they like to destroy, they are destroying forces which are at play. They are all trying to destroy us in many ways. We have to be conscious of them and understand they are very deceptive and they are very attractive. You do not know why the destruction is not going to come from outside, it’s going to come from within you. One has to understand all these things. Through Sahaja Yoga when you have the light you start seeing them and how they work it out. Seeker: How should we protect ourselves? Shri Mataji: Yes, that is very important and that’s why I am saying you must come where he is saying. We will teach u everything. So many things are to be taught, isn’t it?. How to protect, that’s very important. Its important. You are to be protected, no doubt. Now, is it over? I think they have had enough of it. Let’s have the Kundalini awakening, alright? You have to take out your shoes because the Mother Earth also helps us a lot. That’s the star, eh? The juniper. This chakra. Warren: The Star of David. Shri Mataji: This one is the star of David. This chakra is the fifth. This one is. But how many understand? That’s the problem.

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Nabhi Chakra, Third Public Program. Maccabean Hall, Sydney (Australia), 27 March 1981. If you don't hear Me this time please tell Me. I am sorry for being late for this lecture, but Dr. Warren had time to explain to you about this experience. Sometimes it is easier to understand this from a person who has achieved it, than to understand from a person who is talking from some tenth storey. That's what My father told me, that if somebody's born on the tenth storey, and the rest of them are on the first floor, if you start telling them from there they will first of all not listen, nor will they understand what you see. It's not proper, that we should try to tell them something from a level, to a level, which is still there static, in their mind. So one has to, raise their, consciousness, two three storeys so they start seeing that there's something beyond. But, in doing so, so many mistakes, have been there, before, and some people have done it deliberately, some are misguided and some are doing it deliberately. Net result is just the same. Even if you give poison to someone by mistake, or in a misguided way, the result is the same. In the same way, whether you are misguided, or whether you do it deliberately, whatever is wrong has an effect on the kundalini. Now the Aquarian Age, is the word I picked up from Dr. Warren, which is so true today. Aquarian means the water carrier, and in Sanskrit language it is called as kumbha. Kumbha is the one what we call the kundalini, the mooladhara is the kumbha, where the kundalini is there, the power of kundalini is there. So to call it an Aquarian age was to be some work of some realized soul who could see that, in this age the Kundalini is going to be awakened, and that, an age will start of people getting their Kundalini awakened. Now I have already talked to you the other day about this second center, which is called as Swadishthana, which gives us our sustenance and also our power to create. The sustenance is created inside, that green part, which is, represented by main ten Primordial Masters, and these ten Primordial Masters had another series of masters who were called as, Disciple Principles. Now about these people I have talked to you last time, but today I would like to speak to you about other centers, specially this nabhi, which is the navel centre which is very important in human beings. This is the centre by which we seek. When in amoeba stage we seek food, at a higher level we start seeking heights, like when they became mammoth and all these animals they wanted to have a height, to go over the trees to be able to master them and to eat the leaves, but they became so much outsized with their height, that they had to become smaller animals, like say intelligent animals, and, like say cats and things like that, cat family. And this is how the evolution has been brought forth through our seeking as amoeba, then as animals and now as human beings. As we have evolved higher and higher, we have become subtler and subtler in our seeking. For example the people who are seeking say power, are not so evolved as people who are seeking their spirit, no doubt about it. Because you have gone through that, you have had enough of it. Maybe last lives you might have been kings and queens and you must have seen all the jokes of it, so you said now, had enough of it, this power business, we don't want to have anymore, such a headache we don't want to have. The people who are seeking money also, are the people who have had enough of it and they were fed up of it so they said now we have had it. So now you are seekers of something beyond. It has been always so, something beyond we seek, but this seeking beyond is not described to so many people and they are not able to understand what is the beyond, that's why this center is very important, of your evolutionary process. Now, first of all as I have told you that we have to be in balance, that's one thing we must have is the balance in life. I mean in commonsense also we can see - supposing there's a car going only on one wheel, how many would like to travel by that. Anything that you do in life has to have a balance, otherwise, anything, even catching something, holding something or small, small things, even riding a bicycle you know that you have to have a balance. So, if the Kundalini has to move, you have to be a balanced personality, a personality with a temperate nature and must have a balanced attitude towards life. That is very important, but in case it is (…) …it is not, you can be sucked into the central path of the Sushumna, in the central path of your evolution. Now the evolution takes place by remaining in the central path. Those who go to the extremes fall out of this. Now the virus that we suffer from very commonly, is nothing but a kind of a vegetable which is fallen out of evolution. Now the vegetable that we call as tobacco, is going to fall out of complete evolution and you'll be surprised after some years you will not find any tobacco growing anywhere because it will go out of evolution, thanks to human beings that they misunderstood the role of tobacco. Tobacco is an insecticide, is to be used for killing the insects and not to kill yourself. But, we sometimes forget, that whatever God has created for the good, sometimes we can use it for our destruction. Same is alcohol. Alcohol was created for polishing, it's very good - for example if you have to polish your crystal, you should use gin is very good, for diamonds or anything. Is just a polish, it's a polish for the, for anything, it gives a polish. You see alcohol is a polish and its composition is such that it gives a polish to a thing. Now God wanted you to have polished surfaces and polished things and all the clean look of it so He gave you this polish. Now you started drinking it, now what to do. He never asked you to drink, but if you drink that, then it polishes your intestines also. But it has its own nature. It doesn't have any idea of morality, poor thing what, we can't blame the alcohol, because it is supposed to polish, wherever you put it, it polishes, all right? So it polishes your liver also nicely. And when the liver is nicely polished then what happens that the heat from the liver, which is for the expulsion from the body, it has to pass into the bloodstream, cannot because there's a, barrier and because of that barrier poor liver does not know what to do. It just goes on accumulating all the heat within it and that's how your liver goes out of circulation of anything, and you have liver problems and you feel very giddy, nauseated, and liver is the one which really cleanses your attention. Whatever you gather from your attention it cleanses. So, you become horrid I mean you are all the time angry, hot-tempered, you bark at people all the time, all that thing is typically liverish you see. We grow tall, like that absolutely straight line, and you become very hot-tempered. Sometimes you could be hawk-like you know, people will be afraid of going nearer such a person, because such a person can be very dry personality and that's why you'll find, drunkard people if you they're over-drunk you go near them they'll just beat you for nothing at all. I mean it sometimes happens that by chance if you go and ask some drunkard that: 'What's the time?' in the night you will have it. So, because it spoils your awareness and in that awareness a nice man also could be like that, but of course there could be a case where a person might become better. That is also another thing that can happen when you get possessed by this left-side movement because alcohol reduces your awareness and you go to the left-side, movement to the left side, may give you, a feeling 'Oh I'm very much better now' and sort of you get happy because your ego is subsided and everything is alright and 'I'm really morbid now, I cannot hit anyone and let me have little bit and sleep off'. But next day there's a hangover and you feel so horrible with it, that you don't know what to do, I mean it's something, then again you want to have it in the night because you want to again go to the same realm into the left side. Now this left side realm, apparently shows that there is reduction in the weight of the ego, but it does not, it wobbles. What happens that you go to the superego on the left hand side you see there, and the ego then thinks that it has gone down because the superego increases in size. But when superego increases, the ego is pushed down and then when you come to your ego condition, then it pushes down so there's a big wobbling going on, and such people get ultimately very much confused. They might end up in a lunatic asylum I don't know what they do, but, when they are even sane you can find they lose the grip over life, for example such people can become very frivolous, and cannot feel the joy of life without drinking. It's most amazing that people can't enjoy each other unless and until there's a glass in between. I mean human beings are so beautiful, and they have the capacity to enjoy each other, so much, they are the only ones who are blessed more than anybody else. But if there's a glass all the time in between then they can just bark at each other, they cannot enjoy each other. The enjoyment should be complete when there's nothing in between. Now this is what I was telling you, this Nabhi chakra. This Nabhi chakra gets ruined also when we take to alcohols or serious things like that, drugs and, even I've seen certain medicines can spoil this. Then you get a problem with the other things like digestion, you get constipation, all sorts of things take place, by which you develop gas troubles and other troubles and then your heart troubles and it goes on one after another. I do not say that it's only alcohol that will cause. There are other causes also, but alcohol can never be helpful, in giving you good health. Some people have a feeling that if you take alcohol then only you will keep good health. Is a wrong thing. Because health is not only physical health. It's also mental health. People think that physical health is the end of everything, is absolutely wrong because we are not only the physical being. We are also the mental being and the emotional being. And when you play too much with your Nabhi chakra you have the biggest problem and that is that you can never be successful in life as far as enjoyment is concerned, of your achievements. For example a person becomes rich, unduly rich he becomes, is a blessing I should say of Nabhi chakra on the right-hand side. Right-hand side Nabhi chakra can give you a lot of wealth, a lot of money and you'll have ten cars and fifteen people attending to you, everything you may have but, it cannot, it cannot give you the satisfaction of life. You will go on accumulating and end up with a suicide or something like that and you would not know why you are bent upon committing suicide. That's why in all affluent countries you find people are planning to commit suicide and the more affluent they are the worse it is. But the left side gets completely dried. Now the left side is the centre of the family life, the Gruhalakshmi, the Goddess of the family, the household you see. A person who runs after money too much, forgets his family. He has no time for his family. The husband and wife may meet somewhere on the airport or may just wave at each other sometimes you see, crossing each other, or the children suffer the most. And in that case the women also then take up with the men, they compete what's wrong, they start copying men, and in so doing so, when they compete with each other, then what happens, that this family life gets disturbed. The woman of the household is dissatisfied, her ego is not satisfied. In olden times the man used to go in the jungle, and get all the wood cut, bring it home, and give it to the wife and wife used to cook. There was no problem because there was barter system. He could see her working in the household. Now the husband earns the money and the woman spends. I mean that also requires some work, isn't it to spend the money. But to man it looks like, that I'm the earning member and she's the spender. So she said all right, I will also earn. But in this too much of competition, too much of competition like this, between the two, what happens, the family suffers, the children suffer and such a person will have problem with the wife, the wife will have problem with the husband and you can always feel that center on this finger, if that finger is catching, that means there's something wrong with your family relationship, that you have to adjust yourself, or he has to adjust. It's an important thing. Because you are like the flowers which have to produce a fruit. That's what nature wants. Nature wants that you are there to produce the fruit, that is your children. That's why you are men and women. That's the basics. Now, if you think that with that responsibility if you can do something else you should do. But the main thing is that, and if you don't do that, is to look after your children, to give them joy, have a beautiful nest for them, then I must say that you are neglecting your basic duty and your attention is on something else. That's why so many divorces are taking place and problems are there, the women ask for their rights, they go beyond their limits, they became dominating here, the men become dominating. That's not the way we are going to solve it. We have to know that we are two wheels, two wheels of one chariot, one on the left, another in the right. Now they are not similar, they're not similar they are two types one left side one right side. But they are equal. In their, whatever they do it's equal, they are to be respected equally in the same manner. And it is always so for example, I had a girl who came to Me and she was a private secretary, and she told Me: 'Mother you say this, but I've seen that all these men come and flirt with their private secretaries.' So I said: 'All right, maybe so, but what does that matter.' You see that shows that's something wrong with the man, he doesn't understand, he's off his head, he cannot enjoy his wife and he's running after other things. It's like having something in your house and you are looking at other things you see. Like in India if you go to some, somebody comes to your house be careful about your things, but in England I tell them, if somebody comes to your house be careful about your wife, see. Is just a little difference between, but the second one is a dangerous thing because fundamental, the wife is the fundamental thing, because you do not know what she will do, how she will react and you do not know how the guests because that is regarded as their freedom. But if you take away something from somebody's house that's not freedom, because: “We can take away anything from somebody's house, why should anybody arrest us?”. Because there is a free will for you to do what you like, is allowed to do what you like, but in that free will you are harming so many people and ultimately your society. Now these two wheels, as I said, are very important to God, because so many great people want to take birth on this earth. So many great souls want to take birth on this earth, and if we behave in such a manner, that all the time this chariot is this way going up and that way going up, I can tell you no child would be willing to be born in this place who are great people. Only the people who are of the worst type will be born, they'll be hooligans, they'll be horrible people with a horrid nature and they'll spoil the whole atmosphere of the countries where husband wife have, do not have good relationship. The children will be such hooligans and such horrible things that you'll be surprised that at the age of eight years and five years they'll be committing murders and doing all kinds of such thing that you'll be shocked. Now between you and Me, because you are also husbands and wife and, one thing it should be there that we should not quarrel before our children. We should have all decency of husband and wife, there are so many things we do not do in the presence of our children. In the same way we need not sit down and quarrel and say: 'I hate you and I hate you'. I tell you this is something you have to change little bit in our language. In India if somebody says: 'I hate you' it's regarded, that man regarded as a most unmannerly person. I mean its very bad manners to say 'I hate you' how, I mean it shows that you are very low type of person to say like that. But 'I hate you' so what. If you hate so what, you are not God. If you hate Me what does it matter, actually, if somebody hates someone, so what. That shows that person is not a good person, just to hate someone. 'I hate you' is a way of expressing something that is I feel, is very wrong for the family system. It shocks children. Children look upon you as ideals. When they are born you should see them, most of the children nowadays in Australia are born Realized, I see them around when I went to the airport and I see they're born realized. And they watch you, and they're surprised and they sulk and they feel very sad. They don't like, they don't take sides, they don't like the father to fight the mother, the mother to fight. And one other thing which you must understand, that a certain gradation has to be there. A woman is the strongest point of the household. Like this Mother Earth is. She takes all the problems upon Herself. She, because She's the strongest. Who else can withstand this kind of weight on Her. It's the Mother only can do that. In the same way a woman in the house is the mother, and she has to bear up. You see it's nice to have a husband who comes home and says whatever he likes and takes out all the filth on you, than to have a husband who is very sweet, hello, hello and outside he goes like a bumptious tiger on everyone. Such a man is, has to be, he has to, you see they're like children I would say, they are like children. They have to take out their tensions on their wives only, and you should be an absorber of that and that's the sign of a woman. A strong woman doesn't get easily disturbed by these things. She's not bothered. She says all right, you little baby come along, now I have had four babies, now this is the fifth one which is the smallest has come. Let him shout and scream, even with the children, you have to be patient, they'll hit you, they'll do anything. I would say that way in India, children are treated very kindly and they are special things. They will do what they like when they are children, but when they grow up we do not have teenage problem, we do not have problem where the children don't respect. In that, this is very important aspect of our modern life that we have to understand, what is the relationship of husband and wife is. Husband is like say, a gentleman who is definitely is to be respected by the wife. But if she does not respect the husband she cannot get respect from her children. But the husband has to be a respectable man, that's very important. If the man is not respectable, he cannot be respected easily. But the more is the woman has to be very respectable, if she doesn't give her respect, you can handle any kind of man if you are clever enough, drunkards, all sorts, they come round. Because after all they're human beings, they're not bad people. But because of mishandling they just get out and the domination of men is just a myth. See, they cannot dominate, they're incapable of domination. They just do it because they want to feel that they are superior, that's all. But they cannot dominate. Whatever domination, what is their domination? Is little little things here and there. Just like children, that's what it is. If women understand their maturity and their responsibility as women, because they are the shakti, they are the power of the family, and they are the potent shakti for the husband as well as for the children, but if they get disturbed then the husband is disturbed and children are also disturbed. But they are potent, while the kinetics are these people. Like here is the electricity, all right, so we say very good, lamp and electricity and all that, but from where does it come. The source is somewhere quietly sending the source, and enjoying itself by giving that source. In the same way this is a very important centre. Why I said it because today I went to Melbourne and all the time this finger was burning up to this point. So that means there's something wrong with men and women as far as their family life is concerned. They're all very upset I felt. The husband is upset and the women. Maybe the laws maybe against men, maybe here I don't know. But in America I found a husband and wife relationship is very queer. For example I met a lady, very queer people they are. I went and stayed with a lady she had a luxurious house with a swimming pool and this, and a maid in coming to do everything up and five storeys and this, and she said: 'You see my, one of my former husbands will come and see you in Los Angeles.' I said: 'All right very good idea'. So he came, he was like a pauper you know walking like this, and he says: 'I have got a room on rents where I'm staying Mother, it's very difficult, I have to share it with someone'. I said: 'What? That lady who was there, she has a very big house, she's supposed to be your wife'. He said: 'That's mine, I tell you, I lost it to her in a case'. I said: 'How could you lose that in a case?' 'Because she asked for a divorce and because she found guilty out of me something some, so she got it'. And she married three husbands, all the three husbands are moving like paupers, and this lady's very rich. If you marry seven husbands, seven husbands are finished forever but the lady is so rich, seven times more than any one of them. So this is kind of a law I don't understand. First of all why there should be a law, I don't understand, between husband and wife. I just don't understand. I mean we don't have such laws in India but everybody cares for the wife, because she is the nearest and the dearest person they have. Who else to depend? If the woman is dedicated and devoted to husband, do you think he'll run after any other woman, he has to come back to her. You see he'll be so fed up with these women who just live for money or anything and he has to come back. So, you see one has to take a very wise decision, because you must understand you are born at a juncture, whether in, on which you will be destroyed completely, or you'll be saved completely. Is a very important thing. You have to save humanity. You are born at a time when you have to save humanity. It's not only Kundalini awakening that will help, because you might be saved, but you have to save the whole society, the whole family, the whole, I should say the whole universe or the whole creation will have no meaning if you people are destroyed. Now you, this is one of the way of destruction, by destroying the family. The children become mad, the husband becomes mad, they all end up in orphanages, that's what I've seen, they are mostly in orphanages in their old age, there's nobody to bother about you. So it's a question of giving, and giving and giving. Now this Gruhalakshmi's centre is on the left-hand side, and the another is Raja Lakshmi centre is on the right-hand side. Now this center gives us the power to rule over people and we become very, in extremes you see we can become very arrogant and we can become very very, sort of authoritative and we might, sort of end up with a funeral with ten thousand people behind us, all bought from market and put there behind you without any feelings, that's all, finished. With such a man finished they'll say, oh thank God he died, he was a horrible terror for us. So, that kind of a life can come with Raja Lakshmi. But in the center is the Lakshmi. Lakshmi is the Goddess, is the power within us, by which we balance, lead a very balanced life, by which we are satisfied. Now they have made a beautiful picture of this Lakshmi also one should understand this power - is a Lady, is a Mother and She stands on a lotus. Now these are all symbols which suggest that these symbols are carved out with such deep significance. She stands on a lotus. Means imagine, who can stand on a lotus? And She's a very healthy woman, very healthy woman and She stands on a lotus. It means that, that She is never putting pressure on anyone. A rich man comes in, he must honk his car, loudly, because he's rich so he thinks he must honk it higher, and a rich man must go in a big limousine or some sort of a thing to show off that he's very rich. If he comes to any program, or any he must sit in front, he should have the front seat, and he makes him known everywhere everybody must feel the weight of the rich man. He can run away with ten wives, of somebody and, he can have a big boat for himself, and he can get any number of women there and he can spoil any families he likes because he's rich. This kind of thing comes in in people, but Lakshmi the One who has, stands on the lotus, is the beauty and the glory of the riches that God has given that person. Then, it has got two red, pink flowers in the hand, that are lotus flowers again. Now the lotus is regarded as a very holy flower in India, because it is so receptive to everything that is crude and funny. First of all it is born in the mud. Just think of it, in the mud, in the filth, where the horrible smell is coming out, the lotus is born. And the one lotus gives the fragrance, the beautiful fragrance to the whole atmosphere, and kills all that's filth and everything, and covers the whole pond with its big, big leaves so that it looks a beautiful pond. That's what is the lotus for. But this lotus is a pink lotus, means pink, you know is the sign of love. Pink is the sign of love. So such a person has to have tremendous love and that softness of the lotus. Now the inside of the lotus is very soft and nice and a, I don't know what do you call that, the bee, the black bee, a very big one which has got horrible, no, the black bee, it's like that, which has got angular legs and things like that, horrible, you cannot touch it. That one can find its place in the lotus. When it goes to the lotus, the lotus opens its petals and takes it inside and makes it sleep on the corona that it has, very soft one on the bed, and covers it nicely and gives it a nice, you see, swinging feeling, that it feels it is in the lap of the mother and it sleeps off. Even such a animal, it gives a place to live. Now the man who is a lakshmipati the one who is blessed with Lakshmi, has to have a temperament like that. Anybody who comes to his house, anyone, should be very readily accepted. I've seen people like that, I've seen in my lifetime. Should be accepted and they should be very gratified to have such people in the house and should feel that oh God, what a blessing it is that we have a guest in the house. But in modern times, we find out devices and methods, how to avoid guests, guests are equal to pests. I was in London, we were living on Surrey Hills and we had bungalows, separate bungalows, quite good bungalows I should say, there were seven bungalows. And poor husbands were taken to tasks for mowing the lawns and everything and the wife used to tell them now come along do it properly and the polishing of the brass, whatever was there, and everything was done very well. But I didn't see even a rat enter those houses, even a rat, I mean leave alone human beings. Nothing entered those houses, only these two persons used to come out and go in. And I don't know they might be having some yearly, some sort of a get-together, maybe. But nobody, while My house was naturally, I am like this, so it was open all the time, people would come in and go out and this and that and I was just enjoying their company. And one day they asked Me, what's the matter in Your house, all the time people are coming and going and used to wonder what is it going on inside. I said nothing, just they come, have tea and go, that's all, just some talk together, some rapport of love. But what is this, all the doors are closed, that way I must say Sydney people are very open hearted, and they are, they like to be together, there is a togetherness in them. But with all this, if you cannot have togetherness, to enjoy your wealth with others, then what's the use of all the wealth. If you have wealth, you'll go for horse-racing, that's also your own enjoyment. If you have wealth you will do something else which is so individualistic. You cannot enjoy your wealth unless and until you share it. As I told you the other day that I am a capitalist in the sense I have all the powers within Myself. But, I cannot live without sharing it, so I am the greatest communist, because I just cannot enjoy, that's why I had to come all the way to Australia and today My husband was so insistent that I should come back soon, I said: 'No, I have to meet all the Australians still, and then I'll come.' So unless and until you share this love after realization, you do not enjoy. All isms drop out, because you become combination of both extremes, and you just start enjoying yourself. Now this lotus is in the hand and another hand that the Goddess has is like this. She has four hands, and one hand like this. Now this hand that is like this means, you see with this we must give, we must give, we must be generous. Miserly people cannot be the blessed ones, they cannot be. Miserly rich is the horridest thing that you could think of. Mean, if you see a miserly person, I mean, I don't know, I get a headache with a man like that, you see, who goes on counting each and every pi and measuring everything, you see miserly horrible things and ultimately when they die, their children take out all their money and just spend it over. They have, miserly people have another way of getting their money looted. For example a thief might come in, if not thief then, their children will become very wayward or something will happen, they will get sick and they'll have hand brokens and feet broken or something, and they will have to spend money. So the miserly people are such a nuisance to the society. They give nothing to the society they are there for themselves and they are just malignant personalities. The people who give, not of course I don't believe into giving into somebody freely because that also can spoil people. If you give something to someone very freely, they can be completely spoilt and, they would not know how to use that money. This is the trouble with human beings is, that they cannot bear anything. If you give them money, either they become miserly or they become wayward. If you give them power either they become dictatorial or they become destroyers. I mean, you cannot give anything to human beings without Realization. Anything they get extremes, they become mad. That's one word can explain. Now Krishna has said, "Yoga kshema vahamyam". He has said I give you Yoga, that is union with God, self-realization, and then I look after your kshema, and kshema means your well-being. This well-being is brought forth with this Lakshmi, with one hand that is giving, the another is the protection. This hand which gives, should not, the other hand should not know. It should be so done so gracefully, graciously. Today only I was telling the story to some people, about My Own father, who was a very generous man I've ever known. And he had a habit on a Sunday afternoon he used to go, he used to call all the people and say that I have to give away lots of things, I have too many things in the house. He'd take out all the blankets, sometimes all the utensils and sometimes food, anything that he felt like he used to give way. So people would come and he would pass on and his head was bent like that, and some people told him, what's the use, some people are taking three blankets, some are taking two blankets, you don't even see what's happening, you are just giving away, please at least raise your head. So he said: 'The problem is like this, because I don't give, it's God Who is giving, I'm just standing in between. And they all are saying that you are giving, you are giving, thank you, thank you - so I feel very shy, first of all. And secondly it is the lookout of God who is giving these things to see whether one gets two or one. Why should I bother. I'm just standing in between, I'm not supposed to see who takes two or one.' Such generosity I've seen, in My Own lifetime. And I have seen, the more generous he was, the more generosity flew into Our house. I mean, that like if you open this door from the other side it starts flowing. But some people have sixty shirts, but still they'll go to the market and buy shirts. And they'll say: 'Oh I have a weakness for shirts.' Now I don't understand this weakness of heaping up shirts after shirts. It is ridiculous, isn't it. Some of these things really are ridiculous, that I have a weakness for shoes, now you go and see the shoes are from top to bottom, you can open a shoe shop, or - it's like that, what's the use of getting so many shoes because your foot has got the same size for years now, it's not going to change, even after realization. So there is no need to, I mean if your shoes give way is all right but, I too have the same problem. That I, My disciples know that they should give Me a shoe, I don't know why, they give me a shoe, all the time I go there they give me chappal or a shoe or something. I said now I've too many now what to do? They said: 'Mother return it to us we'll keep it for vibrations.' I said: 'That's a good idea,' because I have no place to keep all these shoes, I mean I am not a cobbler, I cannot do anything with it. So it is useless. Best thing is to give flowers so that I can again send them back to some ocean or to some river. So even in there, when we go on accumulating, and I must have this, you go to the shop the people are like this like this, watching everything. What is there to watch. You see whatever you want to buy, you go in the shop, see what you like, you have it. But sort of I must have this, I must have that. I have known a person who had ten ironing boards and twenty iron in his house. All locked up. I said: 'For whom?' So she said: 'Maybe my children.' I said: 'You have only one child, God has been very miserly about you, you have only one child. And now what are you going to do with this? You'd better throw them away.' And with the electrical I mean appliances you know they go off and all that. But she would not. She could not, she used show everyone: 'See now I've got it.' Not antiques, all modern stuff, you see. And this is how the things go on accumulating which has no value aesthetically or in any way. Actually, you should buy something only to give it to someone. That's the best way of enjoying it to the maximum, you see. And anybody likes it - have it. You see, that's the best way. It's a great thing, I mean I tell you it's rather difficult for you people to understand but I am One of them Who does that very often, and My children and My husband are rather worried you know, God knows next time what She'll give away. But you'll be amazed I've so many things, so many things, despite all this, I mean the whole time thinking what to give to whom, still it's so many things in the house, now that we have to take a bigger house. I don't know what to do with so many things and I try to thrust things on the people, Baba you take this you have liked it. But they say: 'No no no how can you give me.' But really that gives Me such a pleasure, and one must learn how to do it. But I've have seen human beings are different. For themselves they'll buy diamonds, and for others they'll buy artificial things. It's very common you know. They will buy for, they are wearing diamonds and when it is coming to giving to others they'll give artificial. At least don't wear at that time the diamond, at least that much decency should be there. So, you see, when it comes to giving, give it with your full heart. You just feel that love of giving and you feel so happy, because you feel so big about yourself, like an ocean that's giving so much of clouds and again it is receiving these rivers into it, and again making it into clouds, a sort of a circle of beautiful conversion into beauty after beauty starts, it's so beautiful. And that's what we should try to become, a part of that circle, which is so beautiful and which is so joy giving, to yourself also. And this is what it is, and this hand is for ashraya, means for the protection. You must protect the people who are your subordinates, who are dependent on you, your children. Like, it's a very common thing to insult your children from their childhood. Why did you spoil that carpet? Why did you do that? You should not have said this, why did you? This is a very wrong thing of discipline. Best discipline is to put dignity into children. You see, a good home in India we'll say, is known by the way children are addressed in the family. Like, in a good family we address the children like sir. Little bit like that, ap, means sir. We never address the children with indignity, and we put them on a dignified level. And it's a very nice thing. I'll tell you about my own granddaughter, that, somebody was telling her one day that, there's a very, this boy and why don't you marry him. She said: 'Why do you want to talk about marriage? I'm not yet grown at all to think about marriage, and we have to be dignified about things, how can we think of marriage when we are not to think, and my grandmother will marry me and I want to live, a dignified person.' A little girl of seven years said this to this woman who was very, sort of pseudo-intellectual type and she tried to tease my granddaughter. She said: 'It's not dignified'. Just think of that. At the age of seven years they have their sense of dignity. If you tell them, you see they, you need not tell them don't spoil the carpet, but give them dignity they will never spoil it. You'll be surprised. Because we all the time cut them short, they become so bad. They want to, they think we are good for nothing, we don't know what to do, all the time they're telling us like this. Or even if you have to tell them, tell about somebody else, like that boy, you know, he was absolutely useless, he didn't know what to do, he spoiled the whole carpet, I went to his house and slipped down. The child immediately gets the thing. But directly all the time hitting the child, you see gives him a personality which does not hold anything substantial within. He might later on became a very arrogant person taking a cue from his parents, and he may behave the same manner, but he would not be that dignity which just is silent and is expressing and manifesting. It should be a silent dignity which just manifests, and when people see such a person, it happens, people see and say 'Oh what a man, what a dignity'. You see that's what, and they become sort of ideals for society. I think this correcting the children is not the way, it is not disciplining, but it is making them grow. What we have to give to our children is the joy, is happiness of the family, is the complete security, a sense of complete security and you will see you'll never have teenage problems, never have teenage problem. You'll be surprised you put them anywhere, they'll be so dignified and so mature, that people will be amazed. You won't have to tell them. Even small little children I've seen, if you keep your house very clean, and also always look after it, children themselves will keep it clean. They would like to do. Because children are really the budding beauties. When we cut them we cut them at the root. They expect so much from us you see, they lose all their dignity and I'll tell you try this with your children, give them dignity, you will be amazed how they behave. We say they are spoilt, I've never see children being spoilt when they are dignified. Like my own grandson is a Realized soul who's a very great person and all his friends are above twenty-five years, you see he's just a five-six year old boy and he doesn't like to wear any dress which has got funny faces and all that He says: 'This is like a clown, I'm not a clown, I don't want to wear'. I found it very difficult in Singapore to buy a pant for him which didn't have any funny faces, because all of them had Mickey Mouse, this, that. And I've seen My grandchildren also, daughters, there these dolls with, you see this ducky what you call the duck sort of a face you see. They said: 'What's wrong with these dolls, they should know how to put their lips. This is not good.' I mean you see, they themselves know, that this is wrong. 'She's going to go into tantrums.' That's what they say. This duck is going to go into tantrums that's why she is behaving like this, oh ho like that, you see they are great-grandmothers sometimes the way they do some things and the way they behave. But we must give them real love and joy and happiness, that's the thing we can give to our children and you'll be amazed that this Australia is going to be blessed with children who are very great saints, very very great saints. I know that, and you have to look after them with dignity. Very great saints are going to be born in this country, so I have to request to you, that forget your problems, husband-wife problem, is nothing. Look after your children, give them dignity, give them a nest where they could live, forget because I've seen in England I've seen in England even an eighty-year old woman behaves like a bride I mean she doesn't get over her feeling that she was a bride. Like one of the 'Great Expectations' you must have read of Charles Dickens, where there was a bride who was sitting all the time thinking she was a bride. I see that picture even today, all the time they are in bridal mood. You are a mother and you have to treat your children with that dignity and with that love that a mother should give. It is very difficult for some people to accept the position of a mother, they think, "Why women should be the mothers? I said, "This is the greatest thing. Look at Me. Look at Me. This is the greatest thing to be the mother, to love everyone, that they depend on you for love and guidance, just for love". Such a great thing to feel, "Oh God see how much I can give, how many cups I can fill?" It's such a great feeling, I wish you would know what a mother is. And the motherhood you have to learn from your children and grandchildren and expand it to the whole universe. It's such a great thing a woman has. In the same way, the father has to do a lot of things about which I will tell you, when we go to the other center. I think I've talked at length on this center because all the time what I find these two centers are catching very much in Australia. So we have to talk about the things that are catching on this and this. And today I saw there five six children with their both the fingers in, all realized children with those fingers they were sucking, and they were showing Me again sucking like that. So you can imagine how much it is, and otherwise this one and this means that you have been going to some unauthorized personality. If you are going to some unauthorized personality this thumb will be caught up, that's why children put their things in their mouths and Freud has his own nonsensical theory, but actually it is the center that is catching with these born-realized children are showing you. Now for today, I may not be able to cover other centers so much, but later on, what is the date we are having the program now? Next Monday Wednesday Friday, three days are there out of which I will cover all these centers and specially that of Christ I would like to speak, because I met some people, when I went to America I was telling the people there that you are to be born again, you are to be born again and you must have your realization, so what I found whatever lecture I gave there were big big, much bigger than these you see, they had brought to tape all my speeches, and the people who organized My program told Me that: 'Mother you'd better get it patented or don't allow them to tape it.' I said: 'Why?' They said: 'They will be publishing, these are all writers and this I said: 'Very good let them write.' But some of them started an organization called 'born again', imagine. Now if I said you have to be, then you start an organization that we are already self-certificated. You see it's a thing one should understand you are to be born again. Now Christ has said that you will be born through Me. Is a fact. Where is Christ, is here. This is the gate, see the narrow gate and your Kundalini has to pass through that. Now in case it does not pass you have to say Lord's Prayer. You have to take the name of Christ and you have to adore Him, then only it passes through, shows that you have passed through Christ. You enter into the kingdom of God which is the, limbic area. So it's a fact; when He said you have to pass through Me, He didn't mean that people who are self-certificated can say that: 'All right this is Christ, this is Bible this is Christ,' as if Christ is somewhere lying there, you just have to turn a stone and you get Him there. Christ is here. How do you approach Him is only through the kundalini awakening and it passes through Christ. This is the door. Now say, you are all Christians or maybe you are Jews or whatever it is, but in India for example they have a very antagonistic feelings towards Christianity. Now even a Hindu, or a Muslim, if he denies he says all right I don't believe in Christ. He has to. I have to tell him that: 'See, if you don't believe in Christ I cannot give you realization. You have to ask for forgiveness, and you have to request Christ, then only this will pass through. Now there may be Jews or Christians, any type, they have to know that all of them are here. For example there was a doctor who came from, Tehran to see Me, he had cancer, and he came to see Me, he had this cancer of the stomach, so I told him that: 'Do you believe that Mohammed Sahib was the same as Dattatreya or Nanaka?' He said: 'No I don't even believe, when you say that He was Moses or Abraham. I said: 'He was Moses Abraham and they are very powerful personality. Unless and until you accept that He was Moses and Abraham, you are not going to get it. He said: 'Ah, I cannot say that,' because Jews and Muslims are like this. I said they both are the same they are very great personalities, you are just fighting for nothing at all. I know Who is Moses and I know Who is, Abraham. But he would not accept, for eight days, then his wife, you know she was wiser, she said you'd better get it, you are not well, you'll die, better get it, then they came. You see this is what happens, they are just compelled. He came: 'All right Mother whatever you say I will accept.' I said: 'Not that, from your heart you have to say,' and he was cured, for your information he was cured. So do not have any extreme ideas, They are all in there, and They are all One. Only we are fighting saying this is mine, that is mine. So this is I have just hinted at this center because I think that's a very important center as I have discussed with the void, about all these Abraham, Moses and all the Old Testament, which is so important. How, and how Christ is the One Who stays there, Who crucified Himself, to make a path for us to pass through, why His crucifixion was necessary. So I'll spend more time on that later on. I hope you'll make it convenient to come again, and I hope you'll get a better hall, they are feeling very warm here. May God bless you. Now, again we can have some questions if you want, for two minutes only. Not much because it goes on. Now some questions if you have. Because you see the questions now you ask I'll tell you one thing. There are certain limitations because I have not talked about every chakra and the whole thing, all right? So I've talked very little about the whole subject. So you have to listen to the whole thing and then ask Me questions, is much better. But if you have any substantial thing you can ask Me and then I would like to give you realization. That's very important. Q: Mother I just want to know why, if alcohol is so bad for you, did Christ turn the water into wine? Shri Mataji: Oh you see that's another big mistake. That time wine was not this kind of a wine. You see people used to take wine which is grape juice. Even today if you go to Jerusalem, you get wine which is not fermented. It is prohibited, in the Bible if you read Moses or Abraham, to take these strong drinks, it is described very clearly but why Christ did not talk about alcohol, there's a difference between wine and alcohol, wine which is fermented and wine which is a real wine. You see otherwise He would have said fermented wine. And, that's a very common drink and I also enjoy it very much, grapes I love. So ordinary grape juice was the wine but, about this alcohol He didn't talk much because you see now I am with you, I have to give you realization so I'm talking about Kundalini and realization isn't it. Now Christ did not have to deal with Kundalini at that time but He had to talk of eternal life so He talked about that, and He showed with His Life that life is eternal by His Resurrection. Now Abraham and Moses are, all these Primordial Masters are concerned with your attention and with your sustenance, so all of them, whether it was Mohammed or anyone, have talked against alcohol, you see. Whatever was their job was to look after the sustenance of the stomach and we can see clearly, that how can anybody who is of Christ's quality, give you wine to drink, which goes against your awareness. Is impossible. But that's how it is. We do not, you see we mould everything according to our ideas but wine means ordinary wine. You go today even, if you ask for wine, even in Switzerland, you'll be surprised that ordinary grape juice is called as wine. Even the grape, that creeper is called as wine. The whole thing is called as wine here. Now there is no fermentation as far as wine is concerned, but this is what it was. All right? Q: ...in the Adi Guru Principle, before Moses, before Abraham, what was there before? Shri Mataji: Very good question. Now you see, yes, yes, I would say.. Q: cont...and are there more to come, he said. Shri Mataji: No that you forget, but about the past I will tell you something because, you see future you just open it because I want to put your attention to present. But still if you have asked the question is very good. That, you see, there are five dimensions in which this area remains within us also. So the first is the Vaikunta area, is the stage where God just incarnated, that aspect of God just incarnated as, we can say the Vishnu or that represents the sustenance. That Deity was. And that is at a, for example we know Christ's Birth on this Earth but how He was created in the Heavens we do not know. So at this level also there are five dimensions into which these things happen and then ultimately He came to Earth. All right? In the same way these things are projected, in the subtler level, at the Vaikunta stage and all that. So all this is there, and I think in one of My lectures on Creation I have described all these things. I hope you'll get those lectures from England, and you'll be able to listen to them, in which all these things I have described, quite a lot. What question, is there? Person: You are… behind them, Mother. Thank you. You are such a nice, loving son of Mine. What question is there? Q: Do you have to give up your own religion if you become a Sahaja Yogi? Shri Mataji: Now, this is a question which is your own. Wherever you are born becomes your own religion. It's a misidentification. Supposing you are born a Hindu you become a Hindu. If you are born a Christian you become a Christian. If you are born a Muslim you become a Muslim. Now what is your religion? Say you are a Christian, Christ is very much there but in all His dimensions and you see all His relations with others. You cannot have just Christ isolated as: 'My own.' Is wrong. This is a myth. You get over this. Supposing you have a stomach trouble, you'll have to go to Moses, you have to become a Jew, or you have to become a Muslim. Now supposing you have a problem, you have a headache, you think too much, you have to become a Christian. Now, if you have a problem with your neck, which most of you have here, especially here, is to feeling guilty business, there's a Deity for that is called as Vishnumaya, you have to ask Her to help you. Then if you haven't got the witness power properly exhibited then you have become Shri Krishna, you have to go to Him. And if your father has died or something is possessed you, you have to go to Rama. It's like that. So how can you, they are all within you, so how can you become only one. You have so many things within you, in the same way the Primordial Being is not just Rock of Gibraltar. These are different aspects of God which are expressed in One Personality. There's only One God but Who manifests, through many aspects this must be understood. About this also if I have time I will tell you how the God and His Power separated, and how His Power created those manifestations of His aspect. Like we are a human being but we have a nose, we have eyes, we have a head, we have everything. Are we just like a rock? Even a rock is not the rock because it has divisions. Even this staircase if you see it has it's fibers and things, you can see. So nothing is like a solid stuff. You see our idea about God is a solid stuff – He’s Christ, and He is our own. No. He is the aspect that is the Son. He is the Son of God. And there is God. And there is the Holy Ghost. Already as Christians also you know, as Jews also you know, that Jehovah is there, Moses is there, Abraham is there. But the problem with all these is this, that all those people who were born in these Arabic countries had no chance to express themselves so clearly. Nobody was there willing to listen. Now see Mohammed Sahib, or say Abraham and Moses, they were all the time running away, running away, they are on the run, all the time on the run. There was no time like a Maccabean Hall where one could talk. Imagine what a life poor Moses had to face, Abraham had to face, just think of that. How could they tell all these things about. So the knowledge that what, just see now the run. You are just telling people: 'Now don't do this and don't do that,' that's all. But today the time is such that you can see the whole, the whole picture, because the whole picture is there, you can see. So you should not have a narrow vision, but see them in a bigger vision. You make them narrower by your own narrow vision. There's nothing like your religion. There's only one religion, and that is God's religion which is within you, which you transcend. When this religion gets enlightened you transcend. For example I have no temptations at all. I don't know what is a temptation. I don't know what is vanity. I try, you know sometimes to put up a show: 'Now let Me be vain now how do I become. What muscles should I teach. But I cannot do it. I haven't got that kind of a machinery inside, you see, you just become beyond this. Then you don't need religion because you become religion. Don't have to tell you anything. It just happens. It just happens, you become that. And “my religion”, whatever we think of, if you really believe in it then try to bring as many as possible who belong to that. There are so many mistakes people are doing in the name of religion. So many mistakes. One small mistake I have told you, put all the dead bodies in the churchyard. The Christians do. So many mistakes the Jews do, you know that. We are making mistakes after mistakes, and we should see what have we achieved? Our forefathers were going to church, they were going to synagogue and they were going to synagogue, and they were going to - what have they achieved? Nothing. So let us see the complete universal thing that is within us where all of Them are there, and we have to understand that we do not exist alone. All of us are there as cells in the whole Primordial Being, the microcosm and the macrocosm. We have to just be aware of that wholesomeness within us. Anything that prohibits that, that makes you smaller and narrower, you must give it up, and become the Whole. That's a living thing. If it narrows you, that religion is deadening. That's not the one that's allowing you to grow. So there is no religion to be given up. On the contrary you have to enlighten the religion and enlighten others. All of you could be Sahaja Yogis and could be anything, because there's nothing like Christ hanging there somewhere and Mary hanging there. No, they are part and parcel of the Whole. They are there. You cannot just take them out. And there cannot be many religions, there can be only one religion, that's a human religion which makes you higher personalities, makes you grow. So you don't have to give up anything, but you yourself won't do many things, yourself won't do many things because you'll understand whatever is living is living, that's what you'll start following. We have in our prayers all the prayers, Jew prayers and Christian prayers and Hindu prayers and all the prayers of all the religions because they are all mantras, they are all the chantings, and they are so important for different chakras. So you see your universality also gets aware of your own being, expressed in different, these great Deities. They are within us and They are awakened and you are surprised. The Kundalini won't rise unless and until you break. Some Christians catch on the Agnya. Imagine. They mostly catch on the Agnya. Agnya chakra is the chakra of Christ. Why? Because they have not understood Him. So He Himself is angry. So you have to ask a question that is Christ the Son of God? Yes. And then you have to ask My Relationship with Him and then you'll get your Kundalini rising. I'm here to represent All of Them, to explain, to prove all the Scriptures of the world. That nothing was wrong, nobody was false, and I'm here to prove All of Them to you, by not denouncing anybody or not possessing anything, in the same way you are going to become great people. All right? Thank you very much. That's the proof of the pudding. There you will discover, there you will discover that your own powers are manifesting, which have not manifested so far. This is the thing. We have done everything under the sun, in the name of God and seeking but now for the first time you'll find your own powers manifesting. If your Mother has Powers what does it matter? Anybody has powers what does it matter. You have not manifested your own powers so far. If you have the spirit then you must manifest your powers isn't it. That's most important. And this is the religion of the spirit. Spirit is beyond any conformity or any sort of a narrowness. It is universal. So this is the religion of spirit and in the realm of spirit you'll be amazed, the working of this power of all-pervading Love. You will find out that whatever you have been struggling with is nothing but a myth and everything will drop out and you'll be amazed at your own powers. Do come all of you. I'll be there waiting for you. Could we have your hands towards Me. And close your eyes. I hope you are taking vibrations from the photograph and using it in the night. Please do it because that will really give you advancement. Some of you will find from the photograph when you place your hands there will be a flickering in the flame. Just now also there's a flickering going on. So do not get disturbed with that. If there is flickering, that means there's something wrong somewhere which is being corrected by the photograph's vibrations. Do not be upset if there is any flickering because it, you'll understand later on what it means and how to look at it. So don't worry on that part. Now put your hands towards Me just like this. Both the hands. He's putting the hands like this. On your lap. On your lap. Please put your both the hands on your lap. And close your eyes. Just close your eyes. It works. It works. It is kept there for that. It manifests. It just manifests. It is very difficult as described in many books. It is a difficult thing. But maybe that I have something about Me that it happens. It was to happen in My Presence so it is happening. So please have it and get it properly established within yourselves. You are the seekers and I have to give your own rights. So just have it. No obligations on Me or on you. Just have it because it's your own. I'm duty bound to give you that. Close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Keep your eyes shut because if you do not close your eyes the Kundalini doesn't rise above Agnya chakra. So please keep your eyes shut, absolutely shut. Again the left Nabhi is catching. As I told you. Now you forgive your wife and forgive your husband. Just imagine what a small thing is catching this evolutionary process. Just forgive your husband, forgive your wife, forgive your mother. Just forgive them. Just forget them for the time being I would say, and forgive them. Better. Left. Now don't feel guilty. Please. Say Mother I am not guilty. Please. In your heart you should say, from your heart that: "I am not guilty Mother". Say it at least thrice. You have to forgive yourself. Please forgive yourself. That's the main point is you must learn to forgive yourself. When I say you have to forgive others then you start cursing yourself. I mean to say forgive everyone, inclusive of yourself also. Ah, just think of it. Will you please say within your heart that: "Mother I am not guilty". Will you say that. Please say it again and again. It is sometimes unbearable for Me to see how you people are angry with yourself. You should love yourself. After all you are the temple of God, isn't it. Isn't it your Kundalini going to rise, isn't it. Is nothing of My manifestation, is your manifestation, so you have to be some special people isn't it. Then you must respect yourself, and do not feel guilty, I don't know from where does this come in. Better. All right, say it loud: "Mother I am not guilty". Let's see all of you saying that. Say it. Again. Everyone. Even for taking alcohol don't be guilty. It's all past it's past. God is the Ocean of Love and Compassion, so much so that these pangs of your so-called little, little bit of guilts are of no value, have no significance in the flow of His Love, so please do not find guilty because I have said it that alcohol goes against awareness. Not for me. Maybe for some people it does, but not for me. It's all finished and gone. Do not feel guilty for anything that you have done. Please. Just know that you are the one who is going to become a temple of God. You are the one who has to enter into the Kingdom of God. The criminals do not enter. Like the great children of God you have to enter, not with any guilt, but like proud people. Better. I think there's a possession that tells you that you have done this wrong or that wrong. Just don't listen to anyone. Now ask for your realization. It's your due. Just ask for it. In all dignity you ask for it. Start feeling the cool breeze in the hand. Now see with your hands on your head if there's cool breeze coming in. Left hand. I think you'll feel there first in your hands, so many of you. Getting it? Yes, good. Now ask forgiveness from Christ. All right. You feel very relaxed. Those who are not getting cool breeze have to learn to forgive first of all. Then your thoughts will stop. You must forgive. If you get thoughts you just say: "I forgive". You watch Me and you can get thoughtless. Just say: 'I forgive'. Then you have to ask for forgiveness. So the heart opens out. Just forgiveness. Asking doesn't mean that I'm guilty. If you have asked for forgiveness it is given. So then you don't sit down and say: "I'm guilty". Once you are forgiven then why are you saying: "I am guilty"? Good. Are you getting it or not? This gentleman. Tingle, on the right? Heat on the right? Now put your left hand on your liver. If you have heat on the right. Now let's work out all the permutations and combinations. If you have heat on the right hand, then put your left hand on the liver. Here. Liver. Liver is here, under your rib, on the right hand side. Just see if you have. Then put your left hand, left hand. Right hand towards Me and left hand here on the liver. Now if you have no breeze on the left, and more on the right, put your right on the heart and left towards Me. Left towards Me. Heart is here. Little lower. Little higher for you. Little lower for you. Little higher. For you little higher. Yes. Little higher. Little higher is the heart. Pushing. No, no, left. Right hand towards Me. Yes. Little higher. This side. Yes. Left hand towards Me and right hand on the heart. Now, ask for forgiveness, at this point. That means your attention has not been towards your spirit, as it should have been so just for ask for forgiveness but then don't feel guilty because the next step is that, where we jump in. Just ask for forgiveness. Try it. Better. Are you getting on the left or not? Getting right? All right then, you got it. That's the thing. That is beyond reasoning, without any arguments. It's a happening. It's like a sprouting of the seed, which has taken place, which can be only achieved, because you have that within you. The seed which doesn't have the germinating power, cannot be germinated. But now you have to know how to use this power, this Divine power of Love for your betterment, for the betterment of others and for the betterment of the whole humanity, for the emancipation and evolution. Is it all right? Q: What did the heat in the right hand mean? Shri Mataji: Means your liver is little, out of gear. All right? Put here. Or maybe you think too much. If you are living in the future, also you can get right hand. Live in the future. Planning. Planning department is liver. Those who live in the past have a left side problem. Q: I've got tingling in the left hand. Shri Mataji: Left hand. And the right hand? Both combinations are there? A: No the right hand's okay. Shri Mataji: All right. Right is all right. Now you must have gone to some guru or somebody or to some person like that. That means tingling. All right. Doesn't matter. You put your hand down below here, right hand, right hand. Down below. This is the left Swadishthana and put down. And now ask for forgiveness that I'll never go to such unauthorized people. That's all. You should say: "Mother are you my Guru?" now because you have been to guru. I'm not a Guru but you can say that. Or you can ask a question: "Mother am I my guru?" That will also help, because that Principle, the Principle of the Primordial Master within you is insulted. Because by mistake you went to other people. All right? Better now? Is improving, see. Just see that. Is so simple. It works. It's coming up. Now don't think. If you start thinking it will again go down. Just don't think. You watch Me without thinking. Very good. You yourself can now turn your, tell them how to take bandhan. He'll show you how to do it and how to raise your Kundalini and fix it up, which will make it possible. Put left hand towards Me. Put it seven times. Seven times, with your hand. Because from your hand the power is flowing. This is the first training in the power. Just give yourself a bandhan. Means you protect your aura, you won't be attacked. Maybe you are going out and some spirits might catch hold of you, and now you will know, so before this you did not know till you ended up into lunatic asylum. But you'll know immediately you are caught up, because you'll lose your vibrations. Now how to raise it, just see how to raise it, that's also important. With both the hands, push it up. Go up like that. Once. Again you can roll it like that is also good idea. Twice. Now, ask for fixing our realization. Just ask for fixing. Thrice. You move it and fix your realization. You can. Hah. See now, it's better? Much cooler now. You have to ask for it. That: "Please Mother, fix our realization!" Then in the, then you'll grow. Then you are on your own and you become your own guru and you can have your own big big, crowds and crowds of people whom you can give realization. I've one disciple who came to Me and got realization, he has given realization to ten thousand people. Ten thousand people. So, then you will know, what you have achieved, and how many people you'll be curing, automatically. You are not a healer or anything. Automatically you'll be curing. You are not going to heal anyone or anything. It will just happen spontaneously. There are so many people who are born these days, who are seeking God and you have to give them help. Thank you very much. I hope to see you again

Nabhi Chakra, Third Public Program. Maccabean Hall, Sydney (Australia), 27 March 1981. If you don't hear Me this time please tell Me. I am sorry for being late for this lecture, but Dr. Warren had time to explain to you about this experience. Sometimes it is easier to understand this from a person who has achieved it, than to understand from a person who is talking from some tenth storey. That's what My father told me, that if somebody's born on the tenth storey, and the rest of them are on the first floor, if you start telling them from there they will first of all not listen, nor will they understand what you see. It's not proper, that we should try to tell them something from a level, to a level, which is still there static, in their mind. So one has to, raise their, consciousness, two three storeys so they start seeing that there's something beyond. But, in doing so, so many mistakes, have been there, before, and some people have done it deliberately, some are misguided and some are doing it deliberately. Net result is just the same. Even if you give poison to someone by mistake, or in a misguided way, the result is the same. In the same way, whether you are misguided, or whether you do it deliberately, whatever is wrong has an effect on the kundalini. Now the Aquarian Age, is the word I picked up from Dr. Warren, which is so true today. Aquarian means the water carrier, and in Sanskrit language it is called as kumbha. Kumbha is the one what we call the kundalini, the mooladhara is the kumbha, where the kundalini is there, the power of kundalini is there. So to call it an Aquarian age was to be some work of some realized soul who could see that, in this age the Kundalini is going to be awakened, and that, an age will start of people getting their Kundalini awakened. Now I have already talked to you the other day about this second center, which is called as Swadishthana, which gives us our sustenance and also our power to create. The sustenance is created inside, that green part, which is, represented by main ten Primordial Masters, and these ten Primordial Masters had another series of masters who were called as, Disciple Principles. Now about these people I have talked to you last time, but today I would like to speak to you about other centers, specially this nabhi, which is the navel centre which is very important in human beings. This is the centre by which we seek. When in amoeba stage we seek food, at a higher level we start seeking heights, like when they became mammoth and all these animals they wanted to have a height, to go over the trees to be able to master them and to eat the leaves, but they became so much outsized with their height, that they had to become smaller animals, like say intelligent animals, and, like say cats and things like that, cat family. And this is how the evolution has been brought forth through our seeking as amoeba, then as animals and now as human beings. As we have evolved higher and higher, we have become subtler and subtler in our seeking. For example the people who are seeking say power, are not so evolved as people who are seeking their spirit, no doubt about it. Because you have gone through that, you have had enough of it. Maybe last lives you might have been kings and queens and you must have seen all the jokes of it, so you said now, had enough of it, this power business, we don't want to have anymore, such a headache we don't want to have. The people who are seeking money also, are the people who have had enough of it and they were fed up of it so they said now we have had it. So now you are seekers of something beyond. It has been always so, something beyond we seek, but this seeking beyond is not described to so many people and they are not able to understand what is the beyond, that's why this center is very important, of your evolutionary process. Now, first of all as I have told you that we have to be in balance, that's one thing we must have is the balance in life. I mean in commonsense also we can see - supposing there's a car going only on one wheel, how many would like to travel by that. Anything that you do in life has to have a balance, otherwise, anything, even catching something, holding something or small, small things, even riding a bicycle you know that you have to have a balance. So, if the Kundalini has to move, you have to be a balanced personality, a personality with a temperate nature and must have a balanced attitude towards life. That is very important, but in case it is (…) …it is not, you can be sucked into the central path of the Sushumna, in the central path of your evolution. Now the evolution takes place by remaining in the central path. Those who go to the extremes fall out of this. Now the virus that we suffer from very commonly, is nothing but a kind of a vegetable which is fallen out of evolution. Now the vegetable that we call as tobacco, is going to fall out of complete evolution and you'll be surprised after some years you will not find any tobacco growing anywhere because it will go out of evolution, thanks to human beings that they misunderstood the role of tobacco. Tobacco is an insecticide, is to be used for killing the insects and not to kill yourself. But, we sometimes forget, that whatever God has created for the good, sometimes we can use it for our destruction. Same is alcohol. Alcohol was created for polishing, it's very good - for example if you have to polish your crystal, you should use gin is very good, for diamonds or anything. Is just a polish, it's a polish for the, for anything, it gives a polish. You see alcohol is a polish and its composition is such that it gives a polish to a thing. Now God wanted you to have polished surfaces and polished things and all the clean look of it so He gave you this polish. Now you started drinking it, now what to do. He never asked you to drink, but if you drink that, then it polishes your intestines also. But it has its own nature. It doesn't have any idea of morality, poor thing what, we can't blame the alcohol, because it is supposed to polish, wherever you put it, it polishes, all right? So it polishes your liver also nicely. And when the liver is nicely polished then what happens that the heat from the liver, which is for the expulsion from the body, it has to pass into the bloodstream, cannot because there's a, barrier and because of that barrier poor liver does not know what to do. It just goes on accumulating all the heat within it and that's how your liver goes out of circulation of anything, and you have liver problems and you feel very giddy, nauseated, and liver is the one which really cleanses your attention. Whatever you gather from your attention it cleanses. So, you become horrid I mean you are all the time angry, hot-tempered, you bark at people all the time, all that thing is typically liverish you see. We grow tall, like that absolutely straight line, and you become very hot-tempered. Sometimes you could be hawk-like you know, people will be afraid of going nearer such a person, because such a person can be very dry personality and that's why you'll find, drunkard people if you they're over-drunk you go near them they'll just beat you for nothing at all. I mean it sometimes happens that by chance if you go and ask some drunkard that: 'What's the time?' in the night you will have it. So, because it spoils your awareness and in that awareness a nice man also could be like that, but of course there could be a case where a person might become better. That is also another thing that can happen when you get possessed by this left-side movement because alcohol reduces your awareness and you go to the left-side, movement to the left side, may give you, a feeling 'Oh I'm very much better now' and sort of you get happy because your ego is subsided and everything is alright and 'I'm really morbid now, I cannot hit anyone and let me have little bit and sleep off'. But next day there's a hangover and you feel so horrible with it, that you don't know what to do, I mean it's something, then again you want to have it in the night because you want to again go to the same realm into the left side. Now this left side realm, apparently shows that there is reduction in the weight of the ego, but it does not, it wobbles. What happens that you go to the superego on the left hand side you see there, and the ego then thinks that it has gone down because the superego increases in size. But when superego increases, the ego is pushed down and then when you come to your ego condition, then it pushes down so there's a big wobbling going on, and such people get ultimately very much confused. They might end up in a lunatic asylum I don't know what they do, but, when they are even sane you can find they lose the grip over life, for example such people can become very frivolous, and cannot feel the joy of life without drinking. It's most amazing that people can't enjoy each other unless and until there's a glass in between. I mean human beings are so beautiful, and they have the capacity to enjoy each other, so much, they are the only ones who are blessed more than anybody else. But if there's a glass all the time in between then they can just bark at each other, they cannot enjoy each other. The enjoyment should be complete when there's nothing in between. Now this is what I was telling you, this Nabhi chakra. This Nabhi chakra gets ruined also when we take to alcohols or serious things like that, drugs and, even I've seen certain medicines can spoil this. Then you get a problem with the other things like digestion, you get constipation, all sorts of things take place, by which you develop gas troubles and other troubles and then your heart troubles and it goes on one after another. I do not say that it's only alcohol that will cause. There are other causes also, but alcohol can never be helpful, in giving you good health. Some people have a feeling that if you take alcohol then only you will keep good health. Is a wrong thing. Because health is not only physical health. It's also mental health. People think that physical health is the end of everything, is absolutely wrong because we are not only the physical being. We are also the mental being and the emotional being. And when you play too much with your Nabhi chakra you have the biggest problem and that is that you can never be successful in life as far as enjoyment is concerned, of your achievements. For example a person becomes rich, unduly rich he becomes, is a blessing I should say of Nabhi chakra on the right-hand side. Right-hand side Nabhi chakra can give you a lot of wealth, a lot of money and you'll have ten cars and fifteen people attending to you, everything you may have but, it cannot, it cannot give you the satisfaction of life. You will go on accumulating and end up with a suicide or something like that and you would not know why you are bent upon committing suicide. That's why in all affluent countries you find people are planning to commit suicide and the more affluent they are the worse it is. But the left side gets completely dried. Now the left side is the centre of the family life, the Gruhalakshmi, the Goddess of the family, the household you see. A person who runs after money too much, forgets his family. He has no time for his family. The husband and wife may meet somewhere on the airport or may just wave at each other sometimes you see, crossing each other, or the children suffer the most. And in that case the women also then take up with the men, they compete what's wrong, they start copying men, and in so doing so, when they compete with each other, then what happens, that this family life gets disturbed. The woman of the household is dissatisfied, her ego is not satisfied. In olden times the man used to go in the jungle, and get all the wood cut, bring it home, and give it to the wife and wife used to cook. There was no problem because there was barter system. He could see her working in the household. Now the husband earns the money and the woman spends. I mean that also requires some work, isn't it to spend the money. But to man it looks like, that I'm the earning member and she's the spender. So she said all right, I will also earn. But in this too much of competition, too much of competition like this, between the two, what happens, the family suffers, the children suffer and such a person will have problem with the wife, the wife will have problem with the husband and you can always feel that center on this finger, if that finger is catching, that means there's something wrong with your family relationship, that you have to adjust yourself, or he has to adjust. It's an important thing. Because you are like the flowers which have to produce a fruit. That's what nature wants. Nature wants that you are there to produce the fruit, that is your children. That's why you are men and women. That's the basics. Now, if you think that with that responsibility if you can do something else you should do. But the main thing is that, and if you don't do that, is to look after your children, to give them joy, have a beautiful nest for them, then I must say that you are neglecting your basic duty and your attention is on something else. That's why so many divorces are taking place and problems are there, the women ask for their rights, they go beyond their limits, they became dominating here, the men become dominating. That's not the way we are going to solve it. We have to know that we are two wheels, two wheels of one chariot, one on the left, another in the right. Now they are not similar, they're not similar they are two types one left side one right side. But they are equal. In their, whatever they do it's equal, they are to be respected equally in the same manner. And it is always so for example, I had a girl who came to Me and she was a private secretary, and she told Me: 'Mother you say this, but I've seen that all these men come and flirt with their private secretaries.' So I said: 'All right, maybe so, but what does that matter.' You see that shows that's something wrong with the man, he doesn't understand, he's off his head, he cannot enjoy his wife and he's running after other things. It's like having something in your house and you are looking at other things you see. Like in India if you go to some, somebody comes to your house be careful about your things, but in England I tell them, if somebody comes to your house be careful about your wife, see. Is just a little difference between, but the second one is a dangerous thing because fundamental, the wife is the fundamental thing, because you do not know what she will do, how she will react and you do not know how the guests because that is regarded as their freedom. But if you take away something from somebody's house that's not freedom, because: “We can take away anything from somebody's house, why should anybody arrest us?”. Because there is a free will for you to do what you like, is allowed to do what you like, but in that free will you are harming so many people and ultimately your society. Now these two wheels, as I said, are very important to God, because so many great people want to take birth on this earth. So many great souls want to take birth on this earth, and if we behave in such a manner, that all the time this chariot is this way going up and that way going up, I can tell you no child would be willing to be born in this place who are great people. Only the people who are of the worst type will be born, they'll be hooligans, they'll be horrible people with a horrid nature and they'll spoil the whole atmosphere of the countries where husband wife have, do not have good relationship. The children will be such hooligans and such horrible things that you'll be surprised that at the age of eight years and five years they'll be committing murders and doing all kinds of such thing that you'll be shocked. Now between you and Me, because you are also husbands and wife and, one thing it should be there that we should not quarrel before our children. We should have all decency of husband and wife, there are so many things we do not do in the presence of our children. In the same way we need not sit down and quarrel and say: 'I hate you and I hate you'. I tell you this is something you have to change little bit in our language. In India if somebody says: 'I hate you' it's regarded, that man regarded as a most unmannerly person. I mean its very bad manners to say 'I hate you' how, I mean it shows that you are very low type of person to say like that. But 'I hate you' so what. If you hate so what, you are not God. If you hate Me what does it matter, actually, if somebody hates someone, so what. That shows that person is not a good person, just to hate someone. 'I hate you' is a way of expressing something that is I feel, is very wrong for the family system. It shocks children. Children look upon you as ideals. When they are born you should see them, most of the children nowadays in Australia are born Realized, I see them around when I went to the airport and I see they're born realized. And they watch you, and they're surprised and they sulk and they feel very sad. They don't like, they don't take sides, they don't like the father to fight the mother, the mother to fight. And one other thing which you must understand, that a certain gradation has to be there. A woman is the strongest point of the household. Like this Mother Earth is. She takes all the problems upon Herself. She, because She's the strongest. Who else can withstand this kind of weight on Her. It's the Mother only can do that. In the same way a woman in the house is the mother, and she has to bear up. You see it's nice to have a husband who comes home and says whatever he likes and takes out all the filth on you, than to have a husband who is very sweet, hello, hello and outside he goes like a bumptious tiger on everyone. Such a man is, has to be, he has to, you see they're like children I would say, they are like children. They have to take out their tensions on their wives only, and you should be an absorber of that and that's the sign of a woman. A strong woman doesn't get easily disturbed by these things. She's not bothered. She says all right, you little baby come along, now I have had four babies, now this is the fifth one which is the smallest has come. Let him shout and scream, even with the children, you have to be patient, they'll hit you, they'll do anything. I would say that way in India, children are treated very kindly and they are special things. They will do what they like when they are children, but when they grow up we do not have teenage problem, we do not have problem where the children don't respect. In that, this is very important aspect of our modern life that we have to understand, what is the relationship of husband and wife is. Husband is like say, a gentleman who is definitely is to be respected by the wife. But if she does not respect the husband she cannot get respect from her children. But the husband has to be a respectable man, that's very important. If the man is not respectable, he cannot be respected easily. But the more is the woman has to be very respectable, if she doesn't give her respect, you can handle any kind of man if you are clever enough, drunkards, all sorts, they come round. Because after all they're human beings, they're not bad people. But because of mishandling they just get out and the domination of men is just a myth. See, they cannot dominate, they're incapable of domination. They just do it because they want to feel that they are superior, that's all. But they cannot dominate. Whatever domination, what is their domination? Is little little things here and there. Just like children, that's what it is. If women understand their maturity and their responsibility as women, because they are the shakti, they are the power of the family, and they are the potent shakti for the husband as well as for the children, but if they get disturbed then the husband is disturbed and children are also disturbed. But they are potent, while the kinetics are these people. Like here is the electricity, all right, so we say very good, lamp and electricity and all that, but from where does it come. The source is somewhere quietly sending the source, and enjoying itself by giving that source. In the same way this is a very important centre. Why I said it because today I went to Melbourne and all the time this finger was burning up to this point. So that means there's something wrong with men and women as far as their family life is concerned. They're all very upset I felt. The husband is upset and the women. Maybe the laws maybe against men, maybe here I don't know. But in America I found a husband and wife relationship is very queer. For example I met a lady, very queer people they are. I went and stayed with a lady she had a luxurious house with a swimming pool and this, and a maid in coming to do everything up and five storeys and this, and she said: 'You see my, one of my former husbands will come and see you in Los Angeles.' I said: 'All right very good idea'. So he came, he was like a pauper you know walking like this, and he says: 'I have got a room on rents where I'm staying Mother, it's very difficult, I have to share it with someone'. I said: 'What? That lady who was there, she has a very big house, she's supposed to be your wife'. He said: 'That's mine, I tell you, I lost it to her in a case'. I said: 'How could you lose that in a case?' 'Because she asked for a divorce and because she found guilty out of me something some, so she got it'. And she married three husbands, all the three husbands are moving like paupers, and this lady's very rich. If you marry seven husbands, seven husbands are finished forever but the lady is so rich, seven times more than any one of them. So this is kind of a law I don't understand. First of all why there should be a law, I don't understand, between husband and wife. I just don't understand. I mean we don't have such laws in India but everybody cares for the wife, because she is the nearest and the dearest person they have. Who else to depend? If the woman is dedicated and devoted to husband, do you think he'll run after any other woman, he has to come back to her. You see he'll be so fed up with these women who just live for money or anything and he has to come back. So, you see one has to take a very wise decision, because you must understand you are born at a juncture, whether in, on which you will be destroyed completely, or you'll be saved completely. Is a very important thing. You have to save humanity. You are born at a time when you have to save humanity. It's not only Kundalini awakening that will help, because you might be saved, but you have to save the whole society, the whole family, the whole, I should say the whole universe or the whole creation will have no meaning if you people are destroyed. Now you, this is one of the way of destruction, by destroying the family. The children become mad, the husband becomes mad, they all end up in orphanages, that's what I've seen, they are mostly in orphanages in their old age, there's nobody to bother about you. So it's a question of giving, and giving and giving. Now this Gruhalakshmi's centre is on the left-hand side, and the another is Raja Lakshmi centre is on the right-hand side. Now this center gives us the power to rule over people and we become very, in extremes you see we can become very arrogant and we can become very very, sort of authoritative and we might, sort of end up with a funeral with ten thousand people behind us, all bought from market and put there behind you without any feelings, that's all, finished. With such a man finished they'll say, oh thank God he died, he was a horrible terror for us. So, that kind of a life can come with Raja Lakshmi. But in the center is the Lakshmi. Lakshmi is the Goddess, is the power within us, by which we balance, lead a very balanced life, by which we are satisfied. Now they have made a beautiful picture of this Lakshmi also one should understand this power - is a Lady, is a Mother and She stands on a lotus. Now these are all symbols which suggest that these symbols are carved out with such deep significance. She stands on a lotus. Means imagine, who can stand on a lotus? And She's a very healthy woman, very healthy woman and She stands on a lotus. It means that, that She is never putting pressure on anyone. A rich man comes in, he must honk his car, loudly, because he's rich so he thinks he must honk it higher, and a rich man must go in a big limousine or some sort of a thing to show off that he's very rich. If he comes to any program, or any he must sit in front, he should have the front seat, and he makes him known everywhere everybody must feel the weight of the rich man. He can run away with ten wives, of somebody and, he can have a big boat for himself, and he can get any number of women there and he can spoil any families he likes because he's rich. This kind of thing comes in in people, but Lakshmi the One who has, stands on the lotus, is the beauty and the glory of the riches that God has given that person. Then, it has got two red, pink flowers in the hand, that are lotus flowers again. Now the lotus is regarded as a very holy flower in India, because it is so receptive to everything that is crude and funny. First of all it is born in the mud. Just think of it, in the mud, in the filth, where the horrible smell is coming out, the lotus is born. And the one lotus gives the fragrance, the beautiful fragrance to the whole atmosphere, and kills all that's filth and everything, and covers the whole pond with its big, big leaves so that it looks a beautiful pond. That's what is the lotus for. But this lotus is a pink lotus, means pink, you know is the sign of love. Pink is the sign of love. So such a person has to have tremendous love and that softness of the lotus. Now the inside of the lotus is very soft and nice and a, I don't know what do you call that, the bee, the black bee, a very big one which has got horrible, no, the black bee, it's like that, which has got angular legs and things like that, horrible, you cannot touch it. That one can find its place in the lotus. When it goes to the lotus, the lotus opens its petals and takes it inside and makes it sleep on the corona that it has, very soft one on the bed, and covers it nicely and gives it a nice, you see, swinging feeling, that it feels it is in the lap of the mother and it sleeps off. Even such a animal, it gives a place to live. Now the man who is a lakshmipati the one who is blessed with Lakshmi, has to have a temperament like that. Anybody who comes to his house, anyone, should be very readily accepted. I've seen people like that, I've seen in my lifetime. Should be accepted and they should be very gratified to have such people in the house and should feel that oh God, what a blessing it is that we have a guest in the house. But in modern times, we find out devices and methods, how to avoid guests, guests are equal to pests. I was in London, we were living on Surrey Hills and we had bungalows, separate bungalows, quite good bungalows I should say, there were seven bungalows. And poor husbands were taken to tasks for mowing the lawns and everything and the wife used to tell them now come along do it properly and the polishing of the brass, whatever was there, and everything was done very well. But I didn't see even a rat enter those houses, even a rat, I mean leave alone human beings. Nothing entered those houses, only these two persons used to come out and go in. And I don't know they might be having some yearly, some sort of a get-together, maybe. But nobody, while My house was naturally, I am like this, so it was open all the time, people would come in and go out and this and that and I was just enjoying their company. And one day they asked Me, what's the matter in Your house, all the time people are coming and going and used to wonder what is it going on inside. I said nothing, just they come, have tea and go, that's all, just some talk together, some rapport of love. But what is this, all the doors are closed, that way I must say Sydney people are very open hearted, and they are, they like to be together, there is a togetherness in them. But with all this, if you cannot have togetherness, to enjoy your wealth with others, then what's the use of all the wealth. If you have wealth, you'll go for horse-racing, that's also your own enjoyment. If you have wealth you will do something else which is so individualistic. You cannot enjoy your wealth unless and until you share it. As I told you the other day that I am a capitalist in the sense I have all the powers within Myself. But, I cannot live without sharing it, so I am the greatest communist, because I just cannot enjoy, that's why I had to come all the way to Australia and today My husband was so insistent that I should come back soon, I said: 'No, I have to meet all the Australians still, and then I'll come.' So unless and until you share this love after realization, you do not enjoy. All isms drop out, because you become combination of both extremes, and you just start enjoying yourself. Now this lotus is in the hand and another hand that the Goddess has is like this. She has four hands, and one hand like this. Now this hand that is like this means, you see with this we must give, we must give, we must be generous. Miserly people cannot be the blessed ones, they cannot be. Miserly rich is the horridest thing that you could think of. Mean, if you see a miserly person, I mean, I don't know, I get a headache with a man like that, you see, who goes on counting each and every pi and measuring everything, you see miserly horrible things and ultimately when they die, their children take out all their money and just spend it over. They have, miserly people have another way of getting their money looted. For example a thief might come in, if not thief then, their children will become very wayward or something will happen, they will get sick and they'll have hand brokens and feet broken or something, and they will have to spend money. So the miserly people are such a nuisance to the society. They give nothing to the society they are there for themselves and they are just malignant personalities. The people who give, not of course I don't believe into giving into somebody freely because that also can spoil people. If you give something to someone very freely, they can be completely spoilt and, they would not know how to use that money. This is the trouble with human beings is, that they cannot bear anything. If you give them money, either they become miserly or they become wayward. If you give them power either they become dictatorial or they become destroyers. I mean, you cannot give anything to human beings without Realization. Anything they get extremes, they become mad. That's one word can explain. Now Krishna has said, "Yoga kshema vahamyam". He has said I give you Yoga, that is union with God, self-realization, and then I look after your kshema, and kshema means your well-being. This well-being is brought forth with this Lakshmi, with one hand that is giving, the another is the protection. This hand which gives, should not, the other hand should not know. It should be so done so gracefully, graciously. Today only I was telling the story to some people, about My Own father, who was a very generous man I've ever known. And he had a habit on a Sunday afternoon he used to go, he used to call all the people and say that I have to give away lots of things, I have too many things in the house. He'd take out all the blankets, sometimes all the utensils and sometimes food, anything that he felt like he used to give way. So people would come and he would pass on and his head was bent like that, and some people told him, what's the use, some people are taking three blankets, some are taking two blankets, you don't even see what's happening, you are just giving away, please at least raise your head. So he said: 'The problem is like this, because I don't give, it's God Who is giving, I'm just standing in between. And they all are saying that you are giving, you are giving, thank you, thank you - so I feel very shy, first of all. And secondly it is the lookout of God who is giving these things to see whether one gets two or one. Why should I bother. I'm just standing in between, I'm not supposed to see who takes two or one.' Such generosity I've seen, in My Own lifetime. And I have seen, the more generous he was, the more generosity flew into Our house. I mean, that like if you open this door from the other side it starts flowing. But some people have sixty shirts, but still they'll go to the market and buy shirts. And they'll say: 'Oh I have a weakness for shirts.' Now I don't understand this weakness of heaping up shirts after shirts. It is ridiculous, isn't it. Some of these things really are ridiculous, that I have a weakness for shoes, now you go and see the shoes are from top to bottom, you can open a shoe shop, or - it's like that, what's the use of getting so many shoes because your foot has got the same size for years now, it's not going to change, even after realization. So there is no need to, I mean if your shoes give way is all right but, I too have the same problem. That I, My disciples know that they should give Me a shoe, I don't know why, they give me a shoe, all the time I go there they give me chappal or a shoe or something. I said now I've too many now what to do? They said: 'Mother return it to us we'll keep it for vibrations.' I said: 'That's a good idea,' because I have no place to keep all these shoes, I mean I am not a cobbler, I cannot do anything with it. So it is useless. Best thing is to give flowers so that I can again send them back to some ocean or to some river. So even in there, when we go on accumulating, and I must have this, you go to the shop the people are like this like this, watching everything. What is there to watch. You see whatever you want to buy, you go in the shop, see what you like, you have it. But sort of I must have this, I must have that. I have known a person who had ten ironing boards and twenty iron in his house. All locked up. I said: 'For whom?' So she said: 'Maybe my children.' I said: 'You have only one child, God has been very miserly about you, you have only one child. And now what are you going to do with this? You'd better throw them away.' And with the electrical I mean appliances you know they go off and all that. But she would not. She could not, she used show everyone: 'See now I've got it.' Not antiques, all modern stuff, you see. And this is how the things go on accumulating which has no value aesthetically or in any way. Actually, you should buy something only to give it to someone. That's the best way of enjoying it to the maximum, you see. And anybody likes it - have it. You see, that's the best way. It's a great thing, I mean I tell you it's rather difficult for you people to understand but I am One of them Who does that very often, and My children and My husband are rather worried you know, God knows next time what She'll give away. But you'll be amazed I've so many things, so many things, despite all this, I mean the whole time thinking what to give to whom, still it's so many things in the house, now that we have to take a bigger house. I don't know what to do with so many things and I try to thrust things on the people, Baba you take this you have liked it. But they say: 'No no no how can you give me.' But really that gives Me such a pleasure, and one must learn how to do it. But I've have seen human beings are different. For themselves they'll buy diamonds, and for others they'll buy artificial things. It's very common you know. They will buy for, they are wearing diamonds and when it is coming to giving to others they'll give artificial. At least don't wear at that time the diamond, at least that much decency should be there. So, you see, when it comes to giving, give it with your full heart. You just feel that love of giving and you feel so happy, because you feel so big about yourself, like an ocean that's giving so much of clouds and again it is receiving these rivers into it, and again making it into clouds, a sort of a circle of beautiful conversion into beauty after beauty starts, it's so beautiful. And that's what we should try to become, a part of that circle, which is so beautiful and which is so joy giving, to yourself also. And this is what it is, and this hand is for ashraya, means for the protection. You must protect the people who are your subordinates, who are dependent on you, your children. Like, it's a very common thing to insult your children from their childhood. Why did you spoil that carpet? Why did you do that? You should not have said this, why did you? This is a very wrong thing of discipline. Best discipline is to put dignity into children. You see, a good home in India we'll say, is known by the way children are addressed in the family. Like, in a good family we address the children like sir. Little bit like that, ap, means sir. We never address the children with indignity, and we put them on a dignified level. And it's a very nice thing. I'll tell you about my own granddaughter, that, somebody was telling her one day that, there's a very, this boy and why don't you marry him. She said: 'Why do you want to talk about marriage? I'm not yet grown at all to think about marriage, and we have to be dignified about things, how can we think of marriage when we are not to think, and my grandmother will marry me and I want to live, a dignified person.' A little girl of seven years said this to this woman who was very, sort of pseudo-intellectual type and she tried to tease my granddaughter. She said: 'It's not dignified'. Just think of that. At the age of seven years they have their sense of dignity. If you tell them, you see they, you need not tell them don't spoil the carpet, but give them dignity they will never spoil it. You'll be surprised. Because we all the time cut them short, they become so bad. They want to, they think we are good for nothing, we don't know what to do, all the time they're telling us like this. Or even if you have to tell them, tell about somebody else, like that boy, you know, he was absolutely useless, he didn't know what to do, he spoiled the whole carpet, I went to his house and slipped down. The child immediately gets the thing. But directly all the time hitting the child, you see gives him a personality which does not hold anything substantial within. He might later on became a very arrogant person taking a cue from his parents, and he may behave the same manner, but he would not be that dignity which just is silent and is expressing and manifesting. It should be a silent dignity which just manifests, and when people see such a person, it happens, people see and say 'Oh what a man, what a dignity'. You see that's what, and they become sort of ideals for society. I think this correcting the children is not the way, it is not disciplining, but it is making them grow. What we have to give to our children is the joy, is happiness of the family, is the complete security, a sense of complete security and you will see you'll never have teenage problems, never have teenage problem. You'll be surprised you put them anywhere, they'll be so dignified and so mature, that people will be amazed. You won't have to tell them. Even small little children I've seen, if you keep your house very clean, and also always look after it, children themselves will keep it clean. They would like to do. Because children are really the budding beauties. When we cut them we cut them at the root. They expect so much from us you see, they lose all their dignity and I'll tell you try this with your children, give them dignity, you will be amazed how they behave. We say they are spoilt, I've never see children being spoilt when they are dignified. Like my own grandson is a Realized soul who's a very great person and all his friends are above twenty-five years, you see he's just a five-six year old boy and he doesn't like to wear any dress which has got funny faces and all that He says: 'This is like a clown, I'm not a clown, I don't want to wear'. I found it very difficult in Singapore to buy a pant for him which didn't have any funny faces, because all of them had Mickey Mouse, this, that. And I've seen My grandchildren also, daughters, there these dolls with, you see this ducky what you call the duck sort of a face you see. They said: 'What's wrong with these dolls, they should know how to put their lips. This is not good.' I mean you see, they themselves know, that this is wrong. 'She's going to go into tantrums.' That's what they say. This duck is going to go into tantrums that's why she is behaving like this, oh ho like that, you see they are great-grandmothers sometimes the way they do some things and the way they behave. But we must give them real love and joy and happiness, that's the thing we can give to our children and you'll be amazed that this Australia is going to be blessed with children who are very great saints, very very great saints. I know that, and you have to look after them with dignity. Very great saints are going to be born in this country, so I have to request to you, that forget your problems, husband-wife problem, is nothing. Look after your children, give them dignity, give them a nest where they could live, forget because I've seen in England I've seen in England even an eighty-year old woman behaves like a bride I mean she doesn't get over her feeling that she was a bride. Like one of the 'Great Expectations' you must have read of Charles Dickens, where there was a bride who was sitting all the time thinking she was a bride. I see that picture even today, all the time they are in bridal mood. You are a mother and you have to treat your children with that dignity and with that love that a mother should give. It is very difficult for some people to accept the position of a mother, they think, "Why women should be the mothers? I said, "This is the greatest thing. Look at Me. Look at Me. This is the greatest thing to be the mother, to love everyone, that they depend on you for love and guidance, just for love". Such a great thing to feel, "Oh God see how much I can give, how many cups I can fill?" It's such a great feeling, I wish you would know what a mother is. And the motherhood you have to learn from your children and grandchildren and expand it to the whole universe. It's such a great thing a woman has. In the same way, the father has to do a lot of things about which I will tell you, when we go to the other center. I think I've talked at length on this center because all the time what I find these two centers are catching very much in Australia. So we have to talk about the things that are catching on this and this. And today I saw there five six children with their both the fingers in, all realized children with those fingers they were sucking, and they were showing Me again sucking like that. So you can imagine how much it is, and otherwise this one and this means that you have been going to some unauthorized personality. If you are going to some unauthorized personality this thumb will be caught up, that's why children put their things in their mouths and Freud has his own nonsensical theory, but actually it is the center that is catching with these born-realized children are showing you. Now for today, I may not be able to cover other centers so much, but later on, what is the date we are having the program now? Next Monday Wednesday Friday, three days are there out of which I will cover all these centers and specially that of Christ I would like to speak, because I met some people, when I went to America I was telling the people there that you are to be born again, you are to be born again and you must have your realization, so what I found whatever lecture I gave there were big big, much bigger than these you see, they had brought to tape all my speeches, and the people who organized My program told Me that: 'Mother you'd better get it patented or don't allow them to tape it.' I said: 'Why?' They said: 'They will be publishing, these are all writers and this I said: 'Very good let them write.' But some of them started an organization called 'born again', imagine. Now if I said you have to be, then you start an organization that we are already self-certificated. You see it's a thing one should understand you are to be born again. Now Christ has said that you will be born through Me. Is a fact. Where is Christ, is here. This is the gate, see the narrow gate and your Kundalini has to pass through that. Now in case it does not pass you have to say Lord's Prayer. You have to take the name of Christ and you have to adore Him, then only it passes through, shows that you have passed through Christ. You enter into the kingdom of God which is the, limbic area. So it's a fact; when He said you have to pass through Me, He didn't mean that people who are self-certificated can say that: 'All right this is Christ, this is Bible this is Christ,' as if Christ is somewhere lying there, you just have to turn a stone and you get Him there. Christ is here. How do you approach Him is only through the kundalini awakening and it passes through Christ. This is the door. Now say, you are all Christians or maybe you are Jews or whatever it is, but in India for example they have a very antagonistic feelings towards Christianity. Now even a Hindu, or a Muslim, if he denies he says all right I don't believe in Christ. He has to. I have to tell him that: 'See, if you don't believe in Christ I cannot give you realization. You have to ask for forgiveness, and you have to request Christ, then only this will pass through. Now there may be Jews or Christians, any type, they have to know that all of them are here. For example there was a doctor who came from, Tehran to see Me, he had cancer, and he came to see Me, he had this cancer of the stomach, so I told him that: 'Do you believe that Mohammed Sahib was the same as Dattatreya or Nanaka?' He said: 'No I don't even believe, when you say that He was Moses or Abraham. I said: 'He was Moses Abraham and they are very powerful personality. Unless and until you accept that He was Moses and Abraham, you are not going to get it. He said: 'Ah, I cannot say that,' because Jews and Muslims are like this. I said they both are the same they are very great personalities, you are just fighting for nothing at all. I know Who is Moses and I know Who is, Abraham. But he would not accept, for eight days, then his wife, you know she was wiser, she said you'd better get it, you are not well, you'll die, better get it, then they came. You see this is what happens, they are just compelled. He came: 'All right Mother whatever you say I will accept.' I said: 'Not that, from your heart you have to say,' and he was cured, for your information he was cured. So do not have any extreme ideas, They are all in there, and They are all One. Only we are fighting saying this is mine, that is mine. So this is I have just hinted at this center because I think that's a very important center as I have discussed with the void, about all these Abraham, Moses and all the Old Testament, which is so important. How, and how Christ is the One Who stays there, Who crucified Himself, to make a path for us to pass through, why His crucifixion was necessary. So I'll spend more time on that later on. I hope you'll make it convenient to come again, and I hope you'll get a better hall, they are feeling very warm here. May God bless you. Now, again we can have some questions if you want, for two minutes only. Not much because it goes on. Now some questions if you have. Because you see the questions now you ask I'll tell you one thing. There are certain limitations because I have not talked about every chakra and the whole thing, all right? So I've talked very little about the whole subject. So you have to listen to the whole thing and then ask Me questions, is much better. But if you have any substantial thing you can ask Me and then I would like to give you realization. That's very important. Q: Mother I just want to know why, if alcohol is so bad for you, did Christ turn the water into wine? Shri Mataji: Oh you see that's another big mistake. That time wine was not this kind of a wine. You see people used to take wine which is grape juice. Even today if you go to Jerusalem, you get wine which is not fermented. It is prohibited, in the Bible if you read Moses or Abraham, to take these strong drinks, it is described very clearly but why Christ did not talk about alcohol, there's a difference between wine and alcohol, wine which is fermented and wine which is a real wine. You see otherwise He would have said fermented wine. And, that's a very common drink and I also enjoy it very much, grapes I love. So ordinary grape juice was the wine but, about this alcohol He didn't talk much because you see now I am with you, I have to give you realization so I'm talking about Kundalini and realization isn't it. Now Christ did not have to deal with Kundalini at that time but He had to talk of eternal life so He talked about that, and He showed with His Life that life is eternal by His Resurrection. Now Abraham and Moses are, all these Primordial Masters are concerned with your attention and with your sustenance, so all of them, whether it was Mohammed or anyone, have talked against alcohol, you see. Whatever was their job was to look after the sustenance of the stomach and we can see clearly, that how can anybody who is of Christ's quality, give you wine to drink, which goes against your awareness. Is impossible. But that's how it is. We do not, you see we mould everything according to our ideas but wine means ordinary wine. You go today even, if you ask for wine, even in Switzerland, you'll be surprised that ordinary grape juice is called as wine. Even the grape, that creeper is called as wine. The whole thing is called as wine here. Now there is no fermentation as far as wine is concerned, but this is what it was. All right? Q: ...in the Adi Guru Principle, before Moses, before Abraham, what was there before? Shri Mataji: Very good question. Now you see, yes, yes, I would say.. Q: cont...and are there more to come, he said. Shri Mataji: No that you forget, but about the past I will tell you something because, you see future you just open it because I want to put your attention to present. But still if you have asked the question is very good. That, you see, there are five dimensions in which this area remains within us also. So the first is the Vaikunta area, is the stage where God just incarnated, that aspect of God just incarnated as, we can say the Vishnu or that represents the sustenance. That Deity was. And that is at a, for example we know Christ's Birth on this Earth but how He was created in the Heavens we do not know. So at this level also there are five dimensions into which these things happen and then ultimately He came to Earth. All right? In the same way these things are projected, in the subtler level, at the Vaikunta stage and all that. So all this is there, and I think in one of My lectures on Creation I have described all these things. I hope you'll get those lectures from England, and you'll be able to listen to them, in which all these things I have described, quite a lot. What question, is there? Person: You are… behind them, Mother. Thank you. You are such a nice, loving son of Mine. What question is there? Q: Do you have to give up your own religion if you become a Sahaja Yogi? Shri Mataji: Now, this is a question which is your own. Wherever you are born becomes your own religion. It's a misidentification. Supposing you are born a Hindu you become a Hindu. If you are born a Christian you become a Christian. If you are born a Muslim you become a Muslim. Now what is your religion? Say you are a Christian, Christ is very much there but in all His dimensions and you see all His relations with others. You cannot have just Christ isolated as: 'My own.' Is wrong. This is a myth. You get over this. Supposing you have a stomach trouble, you'll have to go to Moses, you have to become a Jew, or you have to become a Muslim. Now supposing you have a problem, you have a headache, you think too much, you have to become a Christian. Now, if you have a problem with your neck, which most of you have here, especially here, is to feeling guilty business, there's a Deity for that is called as Vishnumaya, you have to ask Her to help you. Then if you haven't got the witness power properly exhibited then you have become Shri Krishna, you have to go to Him. And if your father has died or something is possessed you, you have to go to Rama. It's like that. So how can you, they are all within you, so how can you become only one. You have so many things within you, in the same way the Primordial Being is not just Rock of Gibraltar. These are different aspects of God which are expressed in One Personality. There's only One God but Who manifests, through many aspects this must be understood. About this also if I have time I will tell you how the God and His Power separated, and how His Power created those manifestations of His aspect. Like we are a human being but we have a nose, we have eyes, we have a head, we have everything. Are we just like a rock? Even a rock is not the rock because it has divisions. Even this staircase if you see it has it's fibers and things, you can see. So nothing is like a solid stuff. You see our idea about God is a solid stuff – He’s Christ, and He is our own. No. He is the aspect that is the Son. He is the Son of God. And there is God. And there is the Holy Ghost. Already as Christians also you know, as Jews also you know, that Jehovah is there, Moses is there, Abraham is there. But the problem with all these is this, that all those people who were born in these Arabic countries had no chance to express themselves so clearly. Nobody was there willing to listen. Now see Mohammed Sahib, or say Abraham and Moses, they were all the time running away, running away, they are on the run, all the time on the run. There was no time like a Maccabean Hall where one could talk. Imagine what a life poor Moses had to face, Abraham had to face, just think of that. How could they tell all these things about. So the knowledge that what, just see now the run. You are just telling people: 'Now don't do this and don't do that,' that's all. But today the time is such that you can see the whole, the whole picture, because the whole picture is there, you can see. So you should not have a narrow vision, but see them in a bigger vision. You make them narrower by your own narrow vision. There's nothing like your religion. There's only one religion, and that is God's religion which is within you, which you transcend. When this religion gets enlightened you transcend. For example I have no temptations at all. I don't know what is a temptation. I don't know what is vanity. I try, you know sometimes to put up a show: 'Now let Me be vain now how do I become. What muscles should I teach. But I cannot do it. I haven't got that kind of a machinery inside, you see, you just become beyond this. Then you don't need religion because you become religion. Don't have to tell you anything. It just happens. It just happens, you become that. And “my religion”, whatever we think of, if you really believe in it then try to bring as many as possible who belong to that. There are so many mistakes people are doing in the name of religion. So many mistakes. One small mistake I have told you, put all the dead bodies in the churchyard. The Christians do. So many mistakes the Jews do, you know that. We are making mistakes after mistakes, and we should see what have we achieved? Our forefathers were going to church, they were going to synagogue and they were going to synagogue, and they were going to - what have they achieved? Nothing. So let us see the complete universal thing that is within us where all of Them are there, and we have to understand that we do not exist alone. All of us are there as cells in the whole Primordial Being, the microcosm and the macrocosm. We have to just be aware of that wholesomeness within us. Anything that prohibits that, that makes you smaller and narrower, you must give it up, and become the Whole. That's a living thing. If it narrows you, that religion is deadening. That's not the one that's allowing you to grow. So there is no religion to be given up. On the contrary you have to enlighten the religion and enlighten others. All of you could be Sahaja Yogis and could be anything, because there's nothing like Christ hanging there somewhere and Mary hanging there. No, they are part and parcel of the Whole. They are there. You cannot just take them out. And there cannot be many religions, there can be only one religion, that's a human religion which makes you higher personalities, makes you grow. So you don't have to give up anything, but you yourself won't do many things, yourself won't do many things because you'll understand whatever is living is living, that's what you'll start following. We have in our prayers all the prayers, Jew prayers and Christian prayers and Hindu prayers and all the prayers of all the religions because they are all mantras, they are all the chantings, and they are so important for different chakras. So you see your universality also gets aware of your own being, expressed in different, these great Deities. They are within us and They are awakened and you are surprised. The Kundalini won't rise unless and until you break. Some Christians catch on the Agnya. Imagine. They mostly catch on the Agnya. Agnya chakra is the chakra of Christ. Why? Because they have not understood Him. So He Himself is angry. So you have to ask a question that is Christ the Son of God? Yes. And then you have to ask My Relationship with Him and then you'll get your Kundalini rising. I'm here to represent All of Them, to explain, to prove all the Scriptures of the world. That nothing was wrong, nobody was false, and I'm here to prove All of Them to you, by not denouncing anybody or not possessing anything, in the same way you are going to become great people. All right? Thank you very much. That's the proof of the pudding. There you will discover, there you will discover that your own powers are manifesting, which have not manifested so far. This is the thing. We have done everything under the sun, in the name of God and seeking but now for the first time you'll find your own powers manifesting. If your Mother has Powers what does it matter? Anybody has powers what does it matter. You have not manifested your own powers so far. If you have the spirit then you must manifest your powers isn't it. That's most important. And this is the religion of the spirit. Spirit is beyond any conformity or any sort of a narrowness. It is universal. So this is the religion of spirit and in the realm of spirit you'll be amazed, the working of this power of all-pervading Love. You will find out that whatever you have been struggling with is nothing but a myth and everything will drop out and you'll be amazed at your own powers. Do come all of you. I'll be there waiting for you. Could we have your hands towards Me. And close your eyes. I hope you are taking vibrations from the photograph and using it in the night. Please do it because that will really give you advancement. Some of you will find from the photograph when you place your hands there will be a flickering in the flame. Just now also there's a flickering going on. So do not get disturbed with that. If there is flickering, that means there's something wrong somewhere which is being corrected by the photograph's vibrations. Do not be upset if there is any flickering because it, you'll understand later on what it means and how to look at it. So don't worry on that part. Now put your hands towards Me just like this. Both the hands. He's putting the hands like this. On your lap. On your lap. Please put your both the hands on your lap. And close your eyes. Just close your eyes. It works. It works. It is kept there for that. It manifests. It just manifests. It is very difficult as described in many books. It is a difficult thing. But maybe that I have something about Me that it happens. It was to happen in My Presence so it is happening. So please have it and get it properly established within yourselves. You are the seekers and I have to give your own rights. So just have it. No obligations on Me or on you. Just have it because it's your own. I'm duty bound to give you that. Close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Keep your eyes shut because if you do not close your eyes the Kundalini doesn't rise above Agnya chakra. So please keep your eyes shut, absolutely shut. Again the left Nabhi is catching. As I told you. Now you forgive your wife and forgive your husband. Just imagine what a small thing is catching this evolutionary process. Just forgive your husband, forgive your wife, forgive your mother. Just forgive them. Just forget them for the time being I would say, and forgive them. Better. Left. Now don't feel guilty. Please. Say Mother I am not guilty. Please. In your heart you should say, from your heart that: "I am not guilty Mother". Say it at least thrice. You have to forgive yourself. Please forgive yourself. That's the main point is you must learn to forgive yourself. When I say you have to forgive others then you start cursing yourself. I mean to say forgive everyone, inclusive of yourself also. Ah, just think of it. Will you please say within your heart that: "Mother I am not guilty". Will you say that. Please say it again and again. It is sometimes unbearable for Me to see how you people are angry with yourself. You should love yourself. After all you are the temple of God, isn't it. Isn't it your Kundalini going to rise, isn't it. Is nothing of My manifestation, is your manifestation, so you have to be some special people isn't it. Then you must respect yourself, and do not feel guilty, I don't know from where does this come in. Better. All right, say it loud: "Mother I am not guilty". Let's see all of you saying that. Say it. Again. Everyone. Even for taking alcohol don't be guilty. It's all past it's past. God is the Ocean of Love and Compassion, so much so that these pangs of your so-called little, little bit of guilts are of no value, have no significance in the flow of His Love, so please do not find guilty because I have said it that alcohol goes against awareness. Not for me. Maybe for some people it does, but not for me. It's all finished and gone. Do not feel guilty for anything that you have done. Please. Just know that you are the one who is going to become a temple of God. You are the one who has to enter into the Kingdom of God. The criminals do not enter. Like the great children of God you have to enter, not with any guilt, but like proud people. Better. I think there's a possession that tells you that you have done this wrong or that wrong. Just don't listen to anyone. Now ask for your realization. It's your due. Just ask for it. In all dignity you ask for it. Start feeling the cool breeze in the hand. Now see with your hands on your head if there's cool breeze coming in. Left hand. I think you'll feel there first in your hands, so many of you. Getting it? Yes, good. Now ask forgiveness from Christ. All right. You feel very relaxed. Those who are not getting cool breeze have to learn to forgive first of all. Then your thoughts will stop. You must forgive. If you get thoughts you just say: "I forgive". You watch Me and you can get thoughtless. Just say: 'I forgive'. Then you have to ask for forgiveness. So the heart opens out. Just forgiveness. Asking doesn't mean that I'm guilty. If you have asked for forgiveness it is given. So then you don't sit down and say: "I'm guilty". Once you are forgiven then why are you saying: "I am guilty"? Good. Are you getting it or not? This gentleman. Tingle, on the right? Heat on the right? Now put your left hand on your liver. If you have heat on the right. Now let's work out all the permutations and combinations. If you have heat on the right hand, then put your left hand on the liver. Here. Liver. Liver is here, under your rib, on the right hand side. Just see if you have. Then put your left hand, left hand. Right hand towards Me and left hand here on the liver. Now if you have no breeze on the left, and more on the right, put your right on the heart and left towards Me. Left towards Me. Heart is here. Little lower. Little higher for you. Little lower for you. Little higher. For you little higher. Yes. Little higher. Little higher is the heart. Pushing. No, no, left. Right hand towards Me. Yes. Little higher. This side. Yes. Left hand towards Me and right hand on the heart. Now, ask for forgiveness, at this point. That means your attention has not been towards your spirit, as it should have been so just for ask for forgiveness but then don't feel guilty because the next step is that, where we jump in. Just ask for forgiveness. Try it. Better. Are you getting on the left or not? Getting right? All right then, you got it. That's the thing. That is beyond reasoning, without any arguments. It's a happening. It's like a sprouting of the seed, which has taken place, which can be only achieved, because you have that within you. The seed which doesn't have the germinating power, cannot be germinated. But now you have to know how to use this power, this Divine power of Love for your betterment, for the betterment of others and for the betterment of the whole humanity, for the emancipation and evolution. Is it all right? Q: What did the heat in the right hand mean? Shri Mataji: Means your liver is little, out of gear. All right? Put here. Or maybe you think too much. If you are living in the future, also you can get right hand. Live in the future. Planning. Planning department is liver. Those who live in the past have a left side problem. Q: I've got tingling in the left hand. Shri Mataji: Left hand. And the right hand? Both combinations are there? A: No the right hand's okay. Shri Mataji: All right. Right is all right. Now you must have gone to some guru or somebody or to some person like that. That means tingling. All right. Doesn't matter. You put your hand down below here, right hand, right hand. Down below. This is the left Swadishthana and put down. And now ask for forgiveness that I'll never go to such unauthorized people. That's all. You should say: "Mother are you my Guru?" now because you have been to guru. I'm not a Guru but you can say that. Or you can ask a question: "Mother am I my guru?" That will also help, because that Principle, the Principle of the Primordial Master within you is insulted. Because by mistake you went to other people. All right? Better now? Is improving, see. Just see that. Is so simple. It works. It's coming up. Now don't think. If you start thinking it will again go down. Just don't think. You watch Me without thinking. Very good. You yourself can now turn your, tell them how to take bandhan. He'll show you how to do it and how to raise your Kundalini and fix it up, which will make it possible. Put left hand towards Me. Put it seven times. Seven times, with your hand. Because from your hand the power is flowing. This is the first training in the power. Just give yourself a bandhan. Means you protect your aura, you won't be attacked. Maybe you are going out and some spirits might catch hold of you, and now you will know, so before this you did not know till you ended up into lunatic asylum. But you'll know immediately you are caught up, because you'll lose your vibrations. Now how to raise it, just see how to raise it, that's also important. With both the hands, push it up. Go up like that. Once. Again you can roll it like that is also good idea. Twice. Now, ask for fixing our realization. Just ask for fixing. Thrice. You move it and fix your realization. You can. Hah. See now, it's better? Much cooler now. You have to ask for it. That: "Please Mother, fix our realization!" Then in the, then you'll grow. Then you are on your own and you become your own guru and you can have your own big big, crowds and crowds of people whom you can give realization. I've one disciple who came to Me and got realization, he has given realization to ten thousand people. Ten thousand people. So, then you will know, what you have achieved, and how many people you'll be curing, automatically. You are not a healer or anything. Automatically you'll be curing. You are not going to heal anyone or anything. It will just happen spontaneously. There are so many people who are born these days, who are seeking God and you have to give them help. Thank you very much. I hope to see you again

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Public Program Workshop. Sydney (Australia), 29 March 1981. Modi must have told you very clearly about how to grow in Sahaja Yog because he’s one of them who has really taken very positive step to see that he grows. Now one has to understand one simple point about realisation is that, just mere awakening of the Kundalini is not sufficient, that’s just the beginning. You get your realisation but you must become the tree, you have to grow, you have to become. If you cannot grow then you have not achieved what you wanted to be. And you grow very fast, very fast with meditation and with understanding about meditation. Now one of the few hurdles that we have, that I’ve seen it, that are innately built in Sahaja Yoga itself. One of them is that you get it spontaneously so easily that you take it for granted. This is in the pattern of it, only innately built. You see what ever you get so easily you just take it for granted. But the another side of it is like that, that when you have your eyes you don’t know the value of your eyes, you take it for granted. But when you don’t have them then you know the value of eyes, it’s like that. So when you lose vibrations and when you get out of Sahaja Yog, then you start feeling much more lost and then you come back to Sahaja Yoga again. Like a person becomes rich, he enjoys the riches and then you make him poor then he feels it more. So this is the correcting point. But it is very true that Sahaja has this thing innately built in its self that it all happens very spontaneously and you get it for doing nothing at all. So, may be so many of you may lose it because you might find that it is just you got it because of something. I’ve also known of people they get vibrations and they say, “Now it’s all right I don’t need Sahaja Yoga, I am on my own.” Again they’re back like bad pennies with some troubles and some problems and then they go out. Now I would say that Modi is one of those first twelve people who got realisation, after two years I’ve worked on them, while you got realisation in such a short time. Two years I’ve worked on twenty five people out of which twelve got realisation you can imagine, two years! As I’ve told you in London I’ve worked on six people for four years to give them realisation. But once a certain number of people of particular ideologies of permutations and combinations, once they get realisation I find the rate of realisation increases very fast. Like formally we never use to have anybody in the program who has been to any other guru, just avoid them. Even up to the point that this Modi himself used to tell people there’s no program today, no program. And they would ring Me up and find out that there was a program and why they were not allowed. They said “Mother we get headaches you see. They break our necks and they just disturb us and they are good for nothing.” But now, it’s very different. Once we have built up our strength of collectivity we have so many channels, things are working out very differently. So the value that Modi would attach to his realisation is much more than you would attach normally. Because as you see, first even say to have a ordinary oil lamp was a problem. So the oil lamp was very important for people. They would see to it that they would not use out all the oil and they were so careful. But today we have no problem, we have got electricity we take it for granted. Only when the electricity goes off we know what is electricity is. In the same way your realisation also, when it is lost you understand the value of it. But supposing you have just touched it and then you lose it, then you do not understand. But if you’ve got it you’ve enjoyed it then you lose it then you want it back again, so best thing is to be steadily moving towards your evolution. Now after I go away that’s the fears people have here that people start doubting. They said, “It happened with people they started doubting.” Doubting what? Your doubting yourself is the main point is. You cannot believe that you can get realisation. This is the basic. You see to Me, it seems that you feel that how can you get realisation? Only those who are very highly realised souls know that you are realised, they know that you have been given realisation, but they also sometimes ask Me, “Why did you give them realisation. What have they done?” Because you also think hat, I mean we still have to look forward to something else. How can we get realisation, this is the trouble. You don’t believe in yourself. That’s what you have to have confidence in yourself and then you’ll have confidence in Me also. Because there are so many ways, by which you can verify. First of all you can ask questions to the photograph or to Me in your heart, about Myself, My relationship what ever you think could be, what ever you think, put your imagination and see that what you think I could have been. Ask that question. Your vibrations will answer. Put your, stretch your imagination to the last, what could be the last word you could think of Me. You see, some people will put doubts saying that, “Kundalini awakening is very difficult, it is not easy.” Yes it’s true, it’s not easy, it’s a very difficult thing for human beings. You just can’t do it, is a fact. You have to work for days with some guru in some jungle, all alone, seeing nobody, working out your chakras by chakras, sometimes you have to starve, sometimes you have to eat, sometimes you have to breathe, you have to do all kinds of things. And then the guru can work out. But there could be someone who is somehow the master, could be someone. Kundalini is the Holy Ghost within you. So there could be someone like that who can do the job and that is what it is. These things put you into doubts, because you can’t believe it. In relation to yourself you can’t believe it. You can believe in God, you can believe in Holy Ghost, you can believe in Christ but you cannot believe that it has any relationship with you, that you could be that great, that you could get your realisation. So just feel it and enjoy it. First of all, don’t think, that’s why I say, “Don’t think.” Because as soon as you start thinking, Mr. Thomas in you will get up and say that “Hello, this cannot be Self-realisation.” Mr. Thomas was great, you see. Christ had all the disciples and I find all those types around, permutations and combinations and some how Judas also, but they’re rarely to be found. But there are, no doubt and some are Thomas’s, and these Thomas’ are described as murmuring souls by Christ Himself. He said, “These are murmuring souls,” and they murmur and one murmuring soul comes to you, another murmuring soul in you joins hands and you start all murmuring together, start thinking. Now at that time what have you to do on rational grounds is very simple. What have I done so far? I’ve done everything, did I get cool breeze? Did I get my self realisation? Did I feel my own powers? Have I been able to feel myself and others? Because you see your still not fully realised, you may not be able to feel the vibrations of another person, neither you will be able to feel your own vibrations. But there are so many people here who are realised and they can feel yours, and they can verify. Supposing they ask you, “How is your father?” There was one gentleman in England he came and told Me, “Why is everybody asking me about my father?” I said, “Because there’s one particular centre that’s catching,” and I called a child I said now tell Me, “What is the centre catching?” She pointed out this one and I said, “This is the centre.” Everybody is catching on this centre, this is the father centre so they’re asking you about your father. He said, “Yes he’s dead and he died of cancer and he had this and that,” and we had to treat him. For example, anorexia is a disease can be cured by curing this centre. It’s such a deep knowledge and it is such an all pervading knowledge. Because once you know in a tree the sap that goes to all the leaves and all the ends of it and if you can move the sap, your attention can move with the sap, you can know the whole of the tree. You cannot know leaves and then know the tree. How many leaves can you count? But to know the tree the best thing is to get to the sap. To treat a tree is best is to get to its sap, isn’t it? In the same way when you go from inside out then you find that you know yourself and others very well. It’s very simple even small children can do it. So the first doubt comes about yourself, “Oh this is one of them” because there’s a guru shopping going on, you see. There’s a guru shopping, there’s a float, you go to one guru to another, to ESPs and what you call them, all sorts of things, mediums, and all sorts of things they do with the dead bodies or anything. All these things you have been to and you will have found it. So now suddenly you have to come to a temple, where you don’t pay anything and you just get the blessings. So can’t believe it, you just can’t believe it, it’s too much to believe. This is what happens you get confused. You are all ready confused, but confusion could be over by understanding that something is happening to you just wait and see, give it a chance. There’s no way we can bind you to Sahaja Yoga, because there’s no mesmerism here. This is another innately a problem with Sahaja Yoga. Second problem I should say is that you’re too free to do what you like, absolutely free, there’s no binding force except that you feel the love of your Mother. Supposing you are not feeling the vibrations in your hand, there’s no way of binding you down to Sahaja Yog, nothing. We just advise “Go ahead, it will work out, let it work out.” There is no fees, there’s no registration, there’s no compulsion, nothing. It’s your own free will. If you want to stick on you can stick on, if you want to go away you can go away. There’s no force on you of any kind. There’s no registration of your names with some fees or anything, I mean you are not bound to pay anything. If you paid something then you feel, “All right I’ve paid for it, so go through it what ever it is, good or bad.. Supposing you go to see a play and it’s a horrid play but still you say, “All right I’ve paid for it so let me go through it.” But that you cannot do with Sahaja Yoga because you’ve not paid. There’s nobody will force you down, nobody will go on telephoning to you, “Come along, please come along,” and all that. So the attitude has to be changed, it is I who has to gain. Say there’s a beautiful spot somewhere. Now that beautiful spot doesn’t send an invitation card to anyone, everybody goes there. But if you have not yet discovered the beauty of Sahaja Yog in that way and have not enjoyed it fully, you’ll have to go again and again and see for yourself. It is a deliberation on your side not on the side of the Sahaja Yogis or Sahaja Yoga. It’s not going to fall at your feet. That please come to Sahaja Yoga, please donate something, nothing of the kind. If you come you are welcome, if you don’t come, welcome. On the contrary, you will be surprised there’s more rejection than acceptance in Sahaja Yoga. That’s also innately built. I’ve seen some people who are very insincere type they just go out from Sahaja Yoga like a tangent. There was a gentleman who was very troublesome to us in Bombay and we didn’t know what to do with him and he just got transferred from there and we got rid of him. So you just go out of Sahaja Yoga like a tangent and we are saved from the botheration. Because you must understand, if you have problems, if you are not all right it’s a problem for Sahaja Yogis to correct you. It’s just the other way round, if you understand this, then you will understand the thing, what works out. For example if I have to cure somebody it’s a problem for Me and not the problem for the person who’s sick. Now if the tree has to grow is the problem for the gardener not for the tree. So the tree must see to it that it co-operates with the gardener and gets itself developed. If this understanding is developed, that it is I who has to gain, it is I who has to go forward, Mother has not to gain from me anything, She wants me to have all my powers manifested. She wants me to grow through it, if this attitude is developed then you’ll work hard to grow and you’ll work it out. But on the contrary you see at the slightest protest if you ego stands up and says, “Why, why should I do this?” To overcome this hurdle you see, we have to build up certain stages. That’s what Modi was telling Me. That you first become thoughtlessly aware, see that silence is established. There are certain things that you do much later, everybody is not allowed in there, because truth can be only born by people who are strong enough to bear it. That’s why I’m not going to tell you who am I, till you reach a certain stage, because you cannot bear the light. That’s what happened with Christ. They crucified Him because they could not bear Him. Human beings are like that, they can’t even bear an incarnation of love. They can’t even bear love, it’s too much for them. Even if you give them too much love they get upset, they get disturbed, they just can’t bear it. So you have to build up yourself to come to a certain stage of understanding of Sahaja Yoga. It’s a state, which you achieve. It’s a state. You are not to be certified by anyone on the...But it’s a state where you will start giving realisation to others and the whole way you’ll be talking you will be in a very different manner as if you are completely detached. You’ll say “It is going, it is coming.” It happens. You will not say my mother must get, my father must get, you will never say like that. Because you’ll understand that the problem of Sahaja Yoga is that it cannot give to anyone. Like the sunshine can shine it is for the trees to expose themselves to the sunshine and get the advantage of it. The sunshine is not going to run after you all over to see that you get it. This is the point here, it will shine the whole day and you take it. But it’s not that it will run after you all the time requesting you, “Oh please get me, oh please get me, have it, have it,” like that. And this is what one has to understand very clearly, that it is you who has to ask for it, and not anybody is going to force on you anything. On the contrary if anybody tries to say something more your ego gets like that. So try to be careful. I am very happy to know that also, that in all the ego orientated societies I’ve seen that Sahaja Yoga works like wonders. Because first thing they see is their colossal ego. And that’s a very positive point about it, because once you start seeing this horrible balloon in you, you just start watching yourself and enjoying, “Oh Mr so and so now get along with your ego.” You see it’s a very interesting life you start leading. If your ego you see, is a very good sign. If you cannot see your ego then there’s danger. But some can even see their super ego if they’re possessed. See people see how they get possessed suddenly because the frequency of possession becomes very little so that there’s a big gaps you see to see the time when you are normal and when you get abnormal also you can see clearly that you are abnormal. By seeing that you start judging, “Oh God I have again been caught up, I’m again lost,” and you come back to normal. The whole thing becomes a very beautiful understanding of the reality about yourself and you laugh at yourself all the time. All the time you laugh at your self and you laugh at everything and you find the whole joke going round how people are seriously indulging into nonsensical things and how it’s such a big joke you’ve been yourself worrying about things which have no meaning, which has no significance. Like I went first to Paris and people told Me, “Mother they are not going to like you very much, because they believe a person who is so happy is ignorant. You should not be a happy person. You should be a crying baby so they’ll believe You. They’re all les miserable, very unhappy people, extremely unhappy and if you tell them you are a happy person so they are going to be shocked at such a thing." I said, “Really this Les Miserable, let me (inaudible). Let Me do something about them" and I made them laugh so much at their miseries that they got all right and they understood that the joy is just there. You have to just peep in your heart and you’ll find the source of your joy and then the whole thing vanishes into thin air. But it has to work, it has to happen. There is no quick way of doing it in the sense that I say, “All right, you give me five rupees or five dollars, Australian dollars and you get it.” No, no, no, no, you may give Me any amount it won’t work out. It has not worked out with My own daughters you’ll be surprised. I’ve never forced them or I’ve never asked them. I’ve only two daughters they’re not realised, I’m not bothered. When they’ll ask for it they’ll get it. But My four grandchildren are born realised. And one of the eldest ones one day very seriously said, “As it is you cannot commit mistakes I know but it would have been nice if you have given them realisation when they were children.” You see this is what it is that you cannot force these things on anyone and you have to take a very detached view. You are a seeker, your mother and you are there but they are not your responsibility, you can tell them about Sahaja Yoga. But if they are opposing you better have, let them be alone, they’ll come round. When they see the transformation in within you, they will definitely come. So leave them alone. Don’t bother your heads. Just leave them alone and you will be amazed that they will see you transforming so well and acting so well and they’ll change themselves and they will come to you and ask you, “How are you so much changed and transformed?” You see, proof of the pudding is in seeing the pudding up there, changing people. And this transformation, you’ll be amazed coming into you so suddenly that you will be amazed. But as I told you, that on the left side is the desire or you can say the super ego, the desire to do something. And the right side is the ego which we try to, sort of please, and which feels happy and the one by which we have ambitions. But in the centre is the willpower to do this. And this willpower has to be increased by you, “I have to do it, I have to do it.” First you’ll feel tired because your left heart is weak, then I will tell you how to do it. ‘Then know how to raise your left heart if you’re tired. See most of the people these days are very tired people. They talk, “Ah,” they sit down “Ah.” They can’t, I mean they are very tired, absolutely fagged out people. Morning till evening what have you been doing, nothing. Just sitting in the sun you got tired, just lazing out you got tired. Why, why did you get tired? Firstly because you’re not integrated, you are fighting with in yourself. You’re head is fighting your heart, your heart is fighting your liver. Secondly, you are thinking and wasting your energy. So you have to learn how to settle your heart, what has to be done to raise your heart to make it peaceful and how to get the energy from your spirit. Once you start doing that your tired feeling will go away. Then your aggressiveness also will decrease and you’ll be amazed that you will just watch the whole thing. Neither you’ll aggress nor you’ll take aggression and the whole reaction will be very different. Then everything has a meaning, your feelings have a meaning. Supposing you have a feeling today for Poland, which is in trouble, all of you should ask just now, “Mother solve the problem of Poland.” Because I have no desires you see, I am desire less, you have to ask and it works, you’ll be amazed because your attention is enlightened now, it just works. You have to desire for it and it works. You have to work for it and it works. And so many miraculous things people will tell you just believe them that’s all true. Money problems solved, because of Lakshmi Tattwa within, financial problems solved, social problems solved, family problems solved, because you are solved. See in relation to you all everything seems problematic. When your problems are solved everything is solved. It’s so simple as that. We have to solve ourselves and it is solved through the awakening of the Kundalini. Now I would like to have some questions from you and then I would like you to go into groups with the Sahaja Yogis and talk to them on intimate level and also you must tell Me your problems. If you have any intimate problems, you can talk to Me also. But best is to talk to each other.I would like Warren to see to it that he organises all these groups properly. But I would love to have some questions from you about Sahaja Yoga now. Question: How can one laugh at abortion. W: He's talking about abortion, you are taking the view that it is bad? Shri Mataji: I’m not saying you have to, I said you are not to laugh, means you laugh at silly stupid things I meant, you see. But at abortion as I can’t understand you see. This is a very funny situation in this country. As it is the birth rate is minus and you are having abortions. Question: Does it exist in India much abortion Shri Mataji: Not much, people don’t like it at all, they hate it. And you know the trouble is like this. You people are having no children so we have to have the load on us. You see what to do? Nobody to be born here, they don’t want to be born here because there is no love in the heart. See when, the other day when somebody told Me about the doctors here some of them are butchers I couldn’t believe it. Because in India at least, doctors are not butchers by any chance. I was surprised; this is because everything has become a butchery here, because the heart is covered with ego. There’s no heart left. You have to raise the heart. That’s important, once you raise the heart, you see, you cannot stand all this nonsense, you know. Why do you want to have abortion I still can’t understand? Question: Does it affect Swadishthan charka? Shri Mataji: Oh, it affects many chakras, I mean. There was someone I knew who always used to catch on right heart, I must tell you this, very nice person, always on right heart. His father was a good man, everything was fine, asked him, “How are you catching on right heart?” He was not married and when he came very close to Me then he confessed to Me that, “I lived with a woman and she was going to have a baby and she went in for an abortion and I conceded, and since then I have been feeling very sad about the whole thing.” But the whole view about life has to be changed then only you can avoid these things. You see it is a symptom of a disease. It’s not the disease itself, abortion is not the disease, is a symptom of a disease. Now what is the disease with in us is, is that, that we have allowed our sex to be let loose completely, talking too much about sex from childhood. What is the need to give education in sex, I’ve been failed to understand? Openly, there’s no need to teach about, you see, do the animals need any sex education, they still produce. Then they told Me, “They tell about sex only because they think by telling about sex they can protect people from not going into sex.”I said, “No, they create too much of curiosity in children.” For example, in India we never talk about sex to children, they do not know, they are so innocent. Even till the marriage takes place some of the girls do not know what sex actually is, how it works out and all. But they are told this is something filthy to do and all that and when the girl gets into puberty it is told and to the boys also, somehow or other it is a very different society. This question doesn’t come, it never comes into the head of the boys and girls. You see if you keep them pure, like it doesn’t come in the head of a sister and a brother even today, thank God. Many sisters and brothers I should say, despite Freud’s all efforts to spoil your minds, but still there are brothers and sisters' relations today. In the same way it doesn’t come into their heads at all. And when they get married they are to be told, this is what it is. And that’s why they say these koarak and all these places were built where they could take young brides and young people to see that. This was called as Koomari Kar Temple, means the married women when they were not virgins could go there and see those places to understand what is sex is and they got so exhausted with this early sex life, I mean you go into all kinds of tantrums then. Because you’re so exhausted then you go into perversions. The basics are wrong. We are trying too hard to be sexologists. There’s no need to be sex points you are that already. But you don’t want to be only sex points, do you? I don’t know what makes you feel that that is the end of every, every endeavor, everything should end up there. May be that advertisement and all this is coming to you too much because they think that by exploiting these things they will help you. But it’s such a perverted thing and (Seeker interrupts and asks Shri Mataji about people in India being given a gift like a transistor radio for sterilization. Does it have a purpose? It has a purpose to a point.....) W: Oh, I'm sorry this has another point.... He is talking about in India where they give a transistor radio.... Shri Mataji: That’s what they try, this is also, you see western ideas coming to India. Oh, they did all sorts just to sterilise them. Oh! that’s how the lady lost her last election, last election she has now pulled her ears for that. You see, they are all westernised people you see, they try to try all these tricks in.... People don’t like it you see. There’s a bridegroom who went for his wedding and poor thing saw that there was a team of people standing there for sterilisation. He jumped out of the bus and he disappeared forever, nobody knows where he is, disappeared. ‘And they even sterilised people who were very old and who were not even married you see. It’s so funny, so indiscriminate, I think they were possessed by some bhoots I don’t know what to call them. You see population is a problem in India but what to do now, you should solve the problem. And there is something working out in a very funny way, I must tell you. I went to Colombia, I found lots of these Norwegians carrying Colombian children with them. And they looked so different from Norwegian children, Norwegian people and these Colombian children. I asked them, “Why do you acquire these children, where are you carrying them? They said “We have adopted them”.I said, “Why don’t you produce your own? That would be better, to produce your own.” "No we don’t want to go through the process of it, it’s better to have ready made." So the supply has started in having all this in developing countries to give you ready made children. Isn’t if funny, it’s funny things going on, instant babies. Question: If a chakra is blocked and you clean the chakras wouldn’t you being undoing the karmic cycle that a person has to go through? Shri Mataji: Very good idea, Because I think you people...I know the question is this, that he is saying that if you try to clean the chakras you will be undoing the karmic cycle and all that you see this is the typical things that are being circulated in the west you see. That you have your own karmas you see and we are the gurus so you have to go through your karmas, you must suffer for your karmas you see like that is there. Now, this theory was all right before Christ came in, not after His coming. And why are they here then? Why are we paying them, for what? You better pickle them out. They’re worth nothing because they just take money from you, and we have to go through our karmas. They make you dance, jump go into all kinds of things. Put spirits in us and say, “You are suffering your karmas. Why should we suffer?” At least they should suffer for our karmas, minimum of minimum. Now Christ has done that for you. He has taken all these karmas, your karmas upon Himself. He has made way for us, that’s why you have to pass through Him. Once you pass through Him, through Agnya chakra, your karmas are sucked in by Him, that’s your ego. It’s the only ego that says you have done this wrong, and that wrong. You see an animal doesn’t think that way. It thinks it’s it own sva bhavah the way it has to be. But it’s only the human beings who think I’ve done this wrong, I’ve done that wrong. I’ve done this good, that bad because we have ego. But when your Kundalini passes through your Agnya chakra your ego is sucked in, your superego is sucked in. Christ has done double job in one shot you know, it’s great. That’s why He was crucified, it was to be. He took all your karmas upon Himself and put it into hell. So whatever karmas you have done are all sucked in. But the door must open fully. In the beginning it happens that only a thread comes up, you see, and the ego is not fully sucked in so sometimes it still comes up and all that. The best weapon to get rid of them is to forgive others. Forgiveness is the greatest weapon Christ has given us, which we have to use, forgive, forgive and forgive. That’s a very good way, Lords Prayer is the solution for your Agnya chakra, you’ll be amazed. You have to say Lords Prayer after realisation to open your Agnya. Then you become thoughtlessly aware. After realisation, again I say, not before realisation, it has no meaning. Before realisation what ever you have said has gone into karmas. Only after realisation you are baptized and get an opening here and all your karmas pass through that. Also you will find when you get realisation lot of heat comes out, these are the karmas you see, that are coming out. Let the heat go out and all karmas are finished. It’s like that. This is what is Self-Realisation. Like an egg is in a egg shell, is very different, but when it becomes a little chick and the mother breaks the tip of the egg a new bird comes out without any karmas or the smell of the egg. So clean and nice, everything converted into something beautiful. It’s like that, this is the rebirth. This is how we become a new personality a new being. So to forget about your karmas after your realisation, all right. He has said it that, “He died for your sins.” Didn’t He? And the wages of sin is fear. If you still have fear within you of your karmas, you are still sinning. There should be no fear about it. Do not have any guilt, I’ve been telling you not to have any guilt. What can you do? What sins can you commit? Do not have any fear. This is very common as I told you the other day, left Vishuddhi, I have to talk about it quite a lot. It’s so common, in Australia, in America and in all the western countries, to feel guilty. Everything collapses there and nobody can rise through the Agnya because it collapses down here onto left Vishuddhi where you feel guilty. What are you feeling guilty about? And why did Christ come on this earth? You are just wasting His incarnation by feeling guilty yourself. He has taken all your guilt upon Himself. What do you thing He was? He was Omkara, he was Pranava, He was the word, He was that power. He’s not attached to anything but He can take away everything that you think is sin, because He’s sinless, He so pure, immaculate. All right, does that give you some hope? Or still you are indulging into your own miseries? Question: Can You give us some guide about diet. Shri Mataji: Diet? All right. This diet theory is also coming from some horrible Brahmins you see. Don’t listen to them. They are the greatest rakshasas ever born on this earth. Devils, rakshasas are monsters. They eat like hell, they eat such a lot and they always tell you, “Don’t do this and don’t do that.” You can eat anything you like, except don’t eat the meat of animals which are bigger than you. I mean otherwise you will develop muscles which will have funny contours and things. Eat animals which are smaller than you, is the point is. And if you eat those animals they do not also have much sense of compassion and all that. It’s all right they are just like vegetables, sort of things, so it doesn’t matter. You don’t kill them, they are killed in the machine and all that, you have to eat that, and you need it, you have to eat. But that doesn’t mean that if you are vegetarians you should become non vegetarians. It doesn’t mean that. Whatever you eat, you can eat. Eating is not going to change your spirit. Spirit doesn’t eat, it does not. Makes no difference to the spirit except that, to your body which is the lamp. So if you have to keep the wick all right, you have to keep the lamp all right and for that don’t eat anything that is a very big animal compared to yourself. Cows meat for example in India they don’t eat, because, “Have you ever seen Indian cows they’re very gentle.” And the cows are in the house, just like mother they start giving milk to the children they see. Every day they are taking the milk of the cows so they develop a feeling, you see. And that’s why they don’t drink, you see. But it doesn’t mean that if your Australian cows are I don’t think are like that. Because what I’ve seen they look like buffalos to Me sometimes. Like My granddaughter, she came to England and she asked Me, “Mother, Grandmother, why the buffalos in England are white?” Yes, so, it’s all right. But you’ll come down on diet. It will be different you see, you’ll see gradually. But don’t worry about it. Gradually everything drops out into very little things. But you allow yourself to develop. Question: Eggs? And things like that? Shri Mataji: Oh, eggs you better have, lots of it. But if you have liver it’s not good to have eggs. Eggs is very heating, pork is otherwise good but not good for the people who have liver problem. See you must understand that every person is different. Now today I met a lady who is very left sided. So I had to tell her, “You eat pork, eggs everything. You see it is how you are. Even the Indian Ayurveda is like that. They want to know the prakruti, the character of a person how he is. We have evolved from different types of animals. I saw the nocturnal ones. You see the nocturnal ones must eat a lot of meats, those who have evolved from nocturnal side, you see. Left-sided, the ones who are afraid and frightened and who are not egoistical at all you see. Such types they should take more meats and things but those who are too much aggressive better take to vegetables, is better. All right now, what’s the question? Question: Does forgiveness stop the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer? Shri Mataji: It does absolutely, absolutely. Sahaja Yoga is the thing that balances the society. Those who are poor become richer and the rich understand that they must share. Willingly they start sharing their money. But you become really rich in a very miraculous manner. Now there’s a girl here and I would like her to tell you what happened to her, it’s miraculous. But she’s an Australian and she doesn’t tell lies you can see that very clearly and she’ll tell you what happened to her. Where is she gone? Cheryl come along. Is she here? No let her tell, is better, she’s Australian they’ll believe her more. But never trust an Indian that’s even worse. You know some of the gurus have introduced some Indian bhoots, Indian spirits into English people, and Americans and also European and I find they behave just like Indians. They’ll cheat, they embezzle, they’ll take away things, not the women, they’ll not touch the women you see. But they’ll touch the things, they take away the empty cans, is typical Indian you see. It’s rather surprising, yes there are some, I’ve seen them like that. It’s surprising to see such things happening to a western person who behaves just like an Indian, must be some possession of bhoots put by these gurus. So if you believe Me then I can tell you what she’s told, it’s really miraculous, very miraculous, you see. Cheryl was telling Me that she wanted to come to India and she had no money. So her daughter was very anxious to come to India and they didn’t know what to do, they didn’t have sufficient money. So they just said, “Mother we want to come to India can you arrange it for us, that’s all.” And it so happened that this girl had taken a trinket she had in the house, a bracelet to the school for a sale, whenever they have the fetes all over. So she took that for the fete and the teacher said, “I think this is gold.” She couldn’t believe it. She brought it home and they got it valued and they found that the price of the thing was equal to what they had to spend for both of them travel. But this is nothing. And then she got some money from somewhere in the house, somewhere I don’t know how she got some money and she didn’t sell even the bracelet. And that’s still there she said, “For the next trip.” I said, “I hope so, you sell it.” “May not.” Like that you see, things work out, because your Laxshmi Tattawa, your centre of well being gets enlightened and then you are looked after. So many things happen. Like today they told Me so many things of this kind happening to them and I too. You see when these people came in, I had told them all right, you give Me so much money may be required for your stay there. Very little it was, very little for them to be there in India after all, you see India is also now becoming very expensive. And when I went to India I had discovered it had become very expensive, doesn’t matter I said, “I’ll put it in the bank. “Let it be there.” And anybody ask Me, “Have it, you want it, have it, now spend go,” and it was all right. I could manage, see that’s what he did, and so many of them have done it. It’s looked after. You go to right places, you get right things, don’t spend too much, you do not repent for spending and you feel happy for whatever you have. You feel very joyous, not worried about counting but if you make a budget you had it. You don’t worry your head about budgeting, how much you're going to spend, you’ll be surprised. You won’t go to things which are unnecessary, useless but you’ll buy something that is very good and ultimately these things will be very precious for you to sell. Many things have happened like that. Many things have happened. Question: Why is Australia important for the future? W: Maybe about Shri Ganesha? Shri Mataji: Only thing I don’t want to pamper the ego. Question: Is Australia blessed? Shri Mataji: Very much, very much blessed. It’s a very much blessed place, specially created. Australia was the first continent to be created and if I dare to answer this question, I hope you’ll believe Me and not get into ego trips. Australia is a place which is described in the ancient Puranas that a great saint was sent to Australia and another heaven was created. And that saint is called as Thrishanku which is your Southern Cross...what do you call that? That shows the Southern Cross and you can only see Southern Cross from Australia. This is one of the Puranas, the Vedas have also mentioned this and even before that Australia is the place which has the Ganesha. The first is the Mooladhara Chakra, the first centre is in Australia. How much wise you should be. Did you hear Me? W: (Question) She wanted your opinion about the Australian aboriginals. Shri Mataji: Oh, they must have been good people to begin with, I am sure of it. They must have been very good and holy people and nice people but I think later on they deviated because of too much jungles and things you know, they started feeling the fear of the nature too much. They must have worshiped things, which were good to begin with and later on to some things like spirits and this. More over the dead bodies, the way they disposed of must have been something wrong. So maybe they might have gone into a left sided action, into primitive ways of exciting these bhoots and things, spirits and spiritualism and all that. But in Australia must be the minimum, in Africa is horrible. African countries have too much of it but it should be the minimum of minimum because you see, Ganesha’s chakra is connected with the left side, you see is more on the left side, isn’t it? So also one can go drift more on to the left side, that is what it is. And even today I feel there’s kind of a lurking inferiority complex that works in Australians. They try to copy the west, there’s nothing to copy there, they’ve nothing sensible. They have to learn from you. You see this is a little inferiority complex we have that all the best things are in the west. That’s wrong, you are much better of in so many ways. At least you’ve not lost your moorings. So I would not pass a general remark about any community as such but there is a possibility that they can come up very well too. I mean they can get out of all that left-sidedness. In India also we have big communities in the south where people have lived with too much ritualism and all that and have taken to left-sided behaviour of attracting you know spirits and this and that, and giving those [telesmart?] and all that. They have done all that they are doing, like witchcraft, witch doctors and all that. They must be doing it, but it can be cured, there’s no problem. As the west, people are over developed and very ego orientated and right side. Both are extreme cases, but you can correct. The people who are left side it’s easier because they have to move forward but it’s difficult for ego orientated to move backwards. But if we can do that there why not here, so nothing is lost. One should not worry too much about these things. Human begins are just the same, everybody has Kundalini, finished. As long as you have Kundalini I have no problem. Question: Is there anything wrong with eating chilies? Shri Mataji: No, it suits some people very much. Some people should have, those who suffer from colds will be a good idea, suffer from constipation is a good idea. But don’t eat too much of anything. But it’s good for some people, something is good for some people, something is good for some people, you have to just find out. For people who get constipated it is better to have a little of green chilies all the time, it is very rich in vitamin C. It is very rich in vitamin C is good for people who catch colds very easily. Question: Do you know anything about the teaching called Mahikari. Shri Mataji: I know. You see Mahikari thing was, the person who started Mahikari was a realised soul, though not so well equipped. I’ve met him before his realisation and he got realisation I think through Me only, what ever it was. I do not want to claim anything like that. But only thing is he was not equipped, well equipped. Like anybody here who gets realisation starts doing something. And his daughter I think, mislead the people because she’s not a realised soul. She became very money-orientated, she started putting it, it’s happened with every one of them. But poor thing, this one was not, he just got realisation he was not an incarnation also, you see. Even incarnations who came on this earth like Christ you see, like Mohammad Sahab, like Rama, Krishna see such great incarnations were purest of pure. Even those people have been mishandled and people have raised organisations, which are just money making propositions. Everything some how man makes into money. I don’t know how, it’s something that happens to human beings you see. Then they start giving [Telesmart?] then they start giving this, that, cross, this I mean it’s a money-making proposition throughout. You see this is the trouble. Warren: She said you are very right. Shri Mataji: And you may lose lots of your powers, even ordinary, normal powers with this kind of a wrong attitude you see, or misguidance, because it happens like that, you can make mistakes, you can do so many things. You know I’ve seen people, one girl whom I had given realisation she went to a lady who was a medium. She used to get “Ho, ho, ho, ho,” like that, and this thing. And she gave her a talisman and she became actually blind, actually blind. Now she’s blind, her eyes are open, I mean I have to still cure her. This is the report I got about her. Question: Would you say the same of the Hari Krishna Organisation? Shri Mataji: Oh, now you are pulling Me into controversy. But I will tell you the other way round. You see if you go on calling say the name of anybody, even your name would you like it? So then how can God like it? On the Oxford Street you stand up, you should see the site, they even sell those things see like wigs, they sell them like wigs in the market. They shave off and sometimes they wear wigs. See it’s not show, it is something that has to happen within. It’s not the show that you put up is something that has to happen. You see most of them end up with throat cancer and very violent, very violent people. They are beggars, absolute parasites. Warren: (Jaguars) with expensive cars. Shri Mataji: You see this is very nice,I met somebody in England and I told him, “What do you do here?” He said, “I deal in opium.” I got a fright.I said, “Opium, how do you deal in opium?”“Other people’s money,”I said, “That’s very good, other people’s money.” You see you can float an enterprise. It’s very easy because you are such seekers such great seekers of ages and you are so naïve, very good. You go anywhere they’ll take a square, sit there with saffron cloths with some circles on, another fellow will be fanning. Oh this one is very great, coming direct from Kashi. Then have nothing to do with horrible people. Kashi is one of the worst places now. So you all go and prostrate. This is what it is. I mean, why are you enamoured by these circuses, aren’t you fed up with them? We had a lady from Norway, this one was very interesting. She came to My house, stayed with Me, very badly caught up, and she told Me the story of a lama who came to Norway. First he told all these Norwegians, “You see, if I have to come to Norway you have to make a place with the floor which has got all marble.” Look at that. They’re such parasites these Lamas are. First they have sucked the blood of these poor Tibetans and now they were willing to suck the blood of these Norwegians. Now these poor young people you see, I should say the young people in the west are really not rich because they’re parents do not give them money the way we give our children you see. So they starve themselves, they ate only potatoes and this and that and for one year they starved themselves to create this floor for these horrible people. And this fellow came you see, with his shaved head and all that. He stayed there and this lady told Me that she had to go and just bow to him one thousand times for three months. One thousand times. Imagine, just to go, as it is he’ll be finished, even three times is sufficient to finish you off. And three months she did it. And with Me she was arguing morning till evening. I said, “Look at that, her arguing with Me, eating My head off and here you're bowing to him.” They would not allow anybody to go near the lama, the great was sitting on the seventh step somewhere hanging in the air. Is very common you know, the more you are missing from the scene the more you are difficult to be seen you see. Is something great, “Oh, ho! I’ve seen the glimpse of that horrible thing,” that’s what people think. You see this is what they play upon you emotional, what you call it emotional blackmail. That’s what it is. They will tell you first of all they’re, we call them chumchars, we call them spoons. They’ll come and tell you, “Oh this is very difficult, you know. He may not give you any interview, and you have to at least you should shell out five hundred rupees, see it is not easy, it’s very difficult. Only you should send your photograph with five hundred,” all this nonsense. If you are the river Ganges, what can malign you, what can dirty you, what can make you impure? If you are here for purification then nothing can impure you. One two three four, now the one who has not asked at all should ask. Question: Over the years it seems we have lost our power to believe in ourself that we had in Egyptian times the power to believe in ourselves but we went wrong... Warren: the question is concerning the loss of power within ourselves, perhaps back in the days of Egypt we had these powers, we seem to have lost our power to believe in ourself. Shri Mataji: I don’t know even if at that time you had those powers very much. But Egyptians indulged more on the ego side you see, those who were rulers. And the slaves were on the left hand side too much because they obeyed the rulers you see. So the sensitivity came to them from spirits, not directly from themselves. And some of them were really, very realised souls and you’ll be amazed if these extreme cases are there, they understand an incarnation better. Say if you are taking LSD too much, you will see only lights coming out of Me, you won’t see Me. There are many who must have seen that, auras and things, if you are on the right hand side too much. If you are on the left had side you’ll be awed, you’ll be shaking before Me and you may see My previous births and you’ll be quite frightened because you’ll know what it is. So they understood the incarnations better, but evolutionary you are much higher than they are. Though there’s confusion because of so called freedom you had which you misused. But as a whole I think this is the time for blossom. Only thing you must know that you’re a seeker and you are a seeker then you must get it and if you get it why should you be surprised. But it’s like a seeking has become like a fashion, seeking here, seeking there seeking there, seeking you stop nowhere you see. You see you go on fixing the bolts you see, you’re just going with an inertia, even if you stop fixing you still go on like that. It’s like that, you see, it’s a style you have developed going from this to that, that to that, that to that and you cannot stop it. Question: I’d be interested in Your opinion of philosophy for Rudolf Steiner and secondly your concept of Papa tax sungar in India. All these are all people playing on bhoots and things, that’s all I can say. (Shri Mother asks the seeker what does Steiner say and he says million words.) Word, words, words and words, what does he say? Might be a realised soul but what does he say? (Seekers tries to tell Shri Mataji what he writes about.) He might be a realised soul like Khalil Gibran is, you see his vibrations are good. He might be, but still you have to become realised souls you see. Reading that even Zen is all that. Zen is everything is, nothing but his realisation. But you’ll be amazed that the head of Zen himself reads all Zen without being realised, and he’s a hopeless fellow. I just talked to him and he said, “Oh, he cannot get realisation.” He’s confirmed on that point. Imagine the head of the Zen saying that, and he said we had kashapas only twenty six kashapas we had in six centuries can you believe it. And he wouldn’t take his realisation and he was so frightened. He accepted Me all right but he said, “I am nowhere, Mother, compared to You.” “What is this? But I am telling you can get.” Warren: Steiner catches on Agnya and Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: So it’s good to read somebody who is a realised soul, but you better get it yourself. You become Steiner, all right. What I’m saying, you become a realised soul. And you can write about your own experiences. Yes, please. Question: Seeker asks about opinion of Dadaji. Shri Mataji: Dadaji, he’s arrested. Warren: In Calcutta Shri Mataji: He’s already in jail. No, he was in Pune where he was arrested, this Dadaji. This happened about I think, I don’t know, but I heard about it. I don’t know when it happened. No it was not because of any political thing. But they found some income tax things and all that and lots of, I don’t know, I didn’t pay much attention, but he’s arrested that I know. There are these sorts of things but the best part of the thing is that all that is untruth is exposed, gradually. Whatever things they may put out, whatever story they may put out, whatever they may try, they may entice you, you may be interested in them whatever it is. But they themselves meet their end. Because all that is falsehood has an end and truth is endless, it is anand, it is eternal. The truth is eternal. Question: What do you see as the future of the United Nations? Shri Mataji: That’s a tricky question. My husband is one of the secretary generals. I better not speak all right. Let it be. We’ll see about it, work it out. Some tricks we have to play. Question: Do you know of Krishnamurti? Shri Mataji: Oh, very much, he’s another one. Krishnamurti is another blah, blah, blah. I’ll tell you about Krishnamurti very well. You see what Krishnamurti does? He says this part what I say that “There are false gurus.” But I don’t say there are not real ones. If there is falsehood, if there’s artificiality, there has to be real. If there are artificial flowers there has to be a real flower, too. So he negates you from the other side completely and he puts up your ego by saying, “Oh you can find it,” so you are finished. He’s a blind leading others into blindness. ( A seeker relates his meeting with Krishnamurti to Shri Mataji. He saw him personally asks him “why do you do what you do” and Krishnamurti said, “Does a rose ask why?”) Shri Mataji: I mean it has no awareness, simple answer is as that. A rose has no awareness. By any chance he’s not a rose. he’s just thorns that’s what I know. Those who have come from him have had a very bad time I must tell you. You see they are really so depressed and so horrid. We had one architect; I mean his life was finished. So many of them I’ve met, horrible they’re very argumentative. The best example I’ll give you about this because you’ve brought forth. There was a fellow who came to see Me, he’s the grandson of his guru. His guru was Yogananda, Yogananda, the Kriya yogis, you see. He was the grandson of the Dadaji or something, Babaji, called Dadaji then Babaji are there. This Babaji, his grandson, you see, his Yogananda’s guru was somebody else, and he was the son of this fellow, but I mean the grandson of his guru, so the great grandson of Babaji. So the whole family was Kriya and he did all the Kriya Yoga and everything he did. He went there and he got so frightened. One day he happened to see this Krishnamurti that there should be no he said, “No Kriya and all that, you see, that you are your own guru,” and this and that.” So he said, “Oh God, what have I been doing?”So he gave up Kriya Yoga and came to Mr. Krishnamurti.He said, “I became such an expert that I spoke better than Krishnamurti did.”And everybody was surprised and said, “Second Krishnamurti is coming and I ran away from there. I said, “Now this is that thing is happening to Me." And he came to Me, you’ll be amazed I’ve not been able to give him realisation till today. I must tell you this, he comes to Me still often. Often, very often he comes to Me. I’ve not yet given him realisation. Imagine the grandson of this Babaji has to bear I don’t know what things, poor things has been done to him, I ‘m very sorry for him. Question: Do you know Rajneesh? Shri Mataji: He’s another horrible one. Why do you need a guru for such a thing? You are masters. He’s a fool, he doesn’t know compared to what you know. But you see what you thought of, that inside you are human beings, you feel guilty that you talk of sex with animals, sex with this, this, that. If there’s something lurking in you, there’s something wrong in all this perversion and homosexuality this that and all that. So you thought it better to have a guru at least he’ll certify. But he is going to make you take two running jumps to go to hell, I tell you. And he talks, just there and he talks, “That you’ll go to bottomless pit,” in the bible a bottomless pit is the hell. You see he’s very honest in a way, he says so. He said, “You’ll go to bottomless pit.” He has criticised Christ to such an extent that he said that Christ had bad relations with his own Mother. Oh to that extent, he said about Mohammad having bad relation with his daughter. All sorts of things he is talking and you know people publish it. He’s getting such a publicity. He pays money to people that they write against Me and doing all kinds of things. Indians don’t like him at all, at all, they hate him, they want him to get out but he’s so localised he cannot smell a flower and he calls himself Bhagavan, means God. In the book you see, anywhere you read, any Indian book where they have described God, the names of God, they’re thousand names supposing, of Vishnu or of the Goddess, anything. At least fifteen or twenty of them are that they are fond of flowers, they’re fond of fragrance, they’re fragrant. That they’re fond of Kamalas, Champas they’re fond this that all is there and this fellow cannot see, if you show a flower to him he’ll run away. He cannot bear to have any incense being burnt anywhere. When you go there you they see and you can only put phenyl to go and see him. I think he’s a bathroom cleaner, that’s what he is. The way he’s so much afraid. I don’t know what he likes the bathroom smell. And he does all dirty things, very dirty fellow, is filthy I don’t want to tell you what he does but I know what he does. Question: Could you explain the meaning of satoori and samadhi. Shri Mataji: That’s Zen. You see, Zen satoori is the same as samadhi but it’s a, you see the Zen were as I told you in six centuries were twenty-six and whatever they wrote people never understood you see. Because they were realised souls, some of them were born realised, some got realisation. Now even when you will talk people won’t understand you, it’s a very surprise thing. But it happens like that because your language changes. Now they call it satoori is a samadhi but it’s not so clearly given, they could not explain so clearly about it not properly to people, it’s not so clear cut. Now in our Sahaja Yoga we have first of all Nirvichara samadhi. Samadhi, dhi means awareness, and samadhi means enlightened awareness. Nirvichara means thoughtless. Thoughtless enlightened awareness is first thing, is clear. Sahaja Yoga is very clear cut practical, every word of it. You see it so clearly there’s no vagueness about it. Even you’ll understand Bible better, Zen better, everything better if you know Sahaja Yoga because your eyes are open to it, all right. So the first thing is Nirvichara Samadhi. With Nirvichara Samadhi when it crosses your Agnya chakra you get Nirvichara, means when your ego is pulled down. With that you get powers. Like you see if you become a deputy governor you get powers if you become a governor you get powers. The first powers you get is curative powers. You get cured and you can cure others. Many people whom I have cured are not Sahaja yogis, they’re useless people actually. I’ve given up curing people for the same reason because they just come for cures, they get cured and lost. What’s the use of curing people who are not going to give the light? You see you don’t repair lights which are not going to work out. It’s a horrible stuff you see, curing people, but you do cure. You start curing people automatically with raising [sounds like das?] not with spirit. There are another faith healers and all that nonsense is not there. Also Kundalini can rise to a point with a person like that. But one should not stay at that point must go higher. Because the movement on right and left you start getting either supra conscious or your subconscious experiences which can be very alluring and you can be quite lost in them. You start seeing lights, you start seeing something different, you might see an aura around Me. I mean you see lots of things, you may see something else in My past , that should not be there. You should forget about it. You have to go to the airport to catch the plane isn’t it, so don’t see all the things around, it’s all not wanted. Many people get lost at that point when they stop at Agnya, if you have concentrated here this can happen more because this is broken or if you have had this third eye business and all that you may go to the side. It can be quite dangerous. You see if you use these your samadhi for some sort of a sensation. So you should not. I mean all wise people should not use this movement at all, as far as possible say, “No we don’t want to see that. We don’t want to have any supra conscious sensation,” and all that. Then you rise higher and then you try to feel your silence in the limbic area and you have to feel your vibrations coming out from your head. It is the vibrations when they are flowing that’s the best stage, when you have pierced through your Brahmarandra. So the second stage starts from Nirvikalpa Samadhi growing into, which many of the Sahaja Yogis have achieved in Australia, is called as Nirvikalpa, where the is no doubts. You have no doubts left about Sahaja Yoga, you have no doubts left about yourself. It’s a state, it’s not that by mentally or rationally but it’s a state. Where you see it so clearly, white is white, you don’t have to doubt that whether my eyes are showing white or black, you see. That state is reached is called as Nirvikalpa where the no vikalpa, you just go, move steadily and that’s the best stage where you really grow faster because you’re so steady and that stage must be achieved. So try to achieve that stage through negating things, “Nethi, nethi, vachinay nigamoor,” by saying, “Not this, not this, not this,” and you reach that stage, is very clearly given. You see the trouble is, so many of these books which are so great are never translated, people do not know about them. Now after coming to Sahaja Yoga you will be exposed to them and you will see what truths there are and how Sahaja Yoga verifies it and proves it. Question: What influence are you likely to have on people who live with You who are not realised. What is the realised souls influence in that type of environment? Shri Mataji: You see if you have stones and if you have living trees, stones do not receive anything from the sun but the leaves receive something, isn’t it, they are more sensitive, that’s the difference. Then in Sahaja yoga there’s a possibility that you can convert stones into living beings, can be done. Yes, because they see, you see they see you, they understand the value that you are, gradually, rationally they start understanding then they reach certain conclusions, then they come to Sahaja Yog, then they get realised, it works out that way. But with seekers it’s very different, seekers just jump into it. They do not think about it they just get it. They get it so fast that they don’t think about it, they just they get it. So they are so sensitive, that’s the difference. Question: Can we help our loved ones who do not want to listen to anything, particularly about Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: You see there’s nobody else that you help someone, they are all within yourself. On the contrary, I would say better to have them together who are Sahaja yogis because those who are not will trouble you, it will be a problem, leave them alone, they’ll be all right, they’ll come round. Let them come on their own you cannot force them, they’re loved ones, you’ll change now your priorities, you’ll understand that those who are really loved ones are not really your brothers and sisters. As Christ has said, “Who are my brothers and sisters?” Now we have to ask that question. Because you speak another language, you are a different person, not that you give them up, but they exist. But they haven’t got your awareness so is a different thing all together. But you help them in a way, gradually they see you but if you force them they’ll run away. No use forcing or telling them anything about it but you show your satisfaction and happiness and your growth and others get impressed by it and they just come to you. Question: how can you.. Do You help them? Shri Mataji: Yes, I do. But you should put them out of your minds and say, “Mother, You help. If You try to help, then I’ll leave it to You.”: W: (Question) He can'tunderstand why You say that Christ died for us. Why did He die for us? Shri Mataji: What else could He have done with the stupid people? They crucified Him, He didn’t say, “You come and crucify Me,” did He, you see? They’re stupid, horrible people, donkeys. They didn’t understand Him, stones as they were what to do? They crucified Him, He didn’t ask. But when He was crucified the sins that they committed in crucifying Him were to be forgiven. That’s what it is. He was, what did He do? You see He died because of you because people like you only crucified Him. You represent them. When you are realised then you are different people, then you are resurrected. His message was resurrection not crucifixion but that shows the stupidity of these people, isn’t it. I mean you may do that again I can’t say, there are people. W: Question: Is it possible to exercise love and acceptance when as she says.. You’re judging people as to whether they’re right or wrong. Warren: We are using vibrations. Shri Mataji: I am not judging, you are judging because when you get your vibrations you start judging yourself. You see I am not judging it’s only your own judgment. It’s your own judgment. Are you getting your cool breeze in the hands? No, then let it happen. I’m not judging you it’s you are judging it yourself. All right, then you will know yourself. Just now you are judging that you’re not getting vibrations. Question: Is it true that Indira Gandi is worshiped as a Goddess? Shri Mataji: oh don't, that's all political stuff, you see, Indian people are like that. Warren: that's useless. W: (Question) She’s confused about the fact that You talked about love and acceptance at the beginning but then when peoples names were brought up, we often scoffed at them. Shri Mataji: ah About the gurus? Ah, that’s it. It’s a very important point. That’s very much with you people. You see you have all of you, you see have developed a philosophy where you say that nobody is evil, everything is fine. This is a very good philosophy to work with because you also fit into the thing. That nothing is evil about you also, isn’t it? It happens like that. You remember when Christ was criticising these horrible people they asked Him, “How do You criticise them? They do not criticise You.” Then He said, “Will the devil talk against its own house?” There is a negative force working, very much active and you have to not only scoff but get rid of these things because they are acting as your destroying forces and they destroy you, I see them very clearly and I have to tell you. So love doesn’t mean that I love a snake, will you go and love a snake, a snake must understand first of all. In the same way we have to understand there are evil people, that’s true. That is what is very much in the West, I see, “Oh, you love everyone" is all right. But you don’t love a snake, do you? Go and have, ask snake, “I want to love you.” He’ll just finish you off. So many of you are harmed so much by these people and I have to cure you. You don’t know what I have to go through, such a lot of work to cure you when you are affected by these people. You don’t know how much I’ve worked, morning till evening. This morning I started six o’clock till I came here just ten minutes I got to change My sari and I was here. These are affected by other gurus and things and I have to take it out. I know what harm they have done to you. You have no idea. Question: What are Your objections to chanting and singing the holy scriptures? Shri Mataji: Not at all, who told you I am, I’m not but you must understand that without understanding what chanting is needed, it’s like a medicine. Chanting is a mantra. Mantra means a thing that acts as a sound to correct a particular thing within you, all right. It’s you can say sound therapy, all right. Now you have to know what medicine is needed for which charka, also you must know where is the problem with you, or with anybody else. I mean it would be chanting at random means sometimes it would be sort of an indiscriminate drinking of all the medicines, you see. Taking all the medicines bottles into your stomach emptying them without understanding. We do chant but we know where to chant, what. You see, not indiscriminate, just like that. And it’s very dangerous because when you go on chanting say, Rama’s name or Krishna’s name. Now when you say Krishna’s name, Krishna is here, if your Kundalini has not reached there up to this point if you take Krishna’s name it’s very, very annoying for Krishna Himself and He recedes, sleeps off. He freezes sometimes and by that you develop problems of the chakras and sometimes you develop throat cancer, it’s very serious. So first, you must know where is your Kundalini, where it has gone, where it has stopped. Then you should know what is the problem, then you must know what exactly is the chanting to be used, all right, and then cure that part. You see so it’s a big science, which has to be understood in Sahaja Yoga, it’s not at random. You are suffering from whatever trouble you are suffering from, you must know first of all. See many people who are Christians catch on Agnya I told you, they do, because it’s unauthorised. Christ, we treat Him as if I don’t know what, some passion fruit hanging in a tree. Do we know who He is? There is a protocol, great protocol. Even Brahma, Vishnu Mahesh could not reach Him. So for us because we think we are born among Christian families and because the church has given us a certificate so called do you think we are authorised to chant His name all the time and trouble Him? And what do we ask? Do we ask for our spirits? Do we ask to give our realisation? Do we ask that we have to be born again? No, what do we ask? Something nonsensical. Question: What is Your opinion about practicing spiritualists. Shri Mataji: Very dangerous, never go near them. Never touch them even with a barge pole, horrible things they are. You see it is very simple to understand that if you get connected with any area what so ever, and somebody is connected to that area you are exposed to that and there can be any indiscriminate aggression on you from that area. You would not know who’s coming on you. So never go near them. May be you want to talk to your father say, whose dead, you want to talk to him. Why? Release him, free him, why do you want to talk to him? Now let him be alone, let him decide for himself what he wants to do. Why do you want him to hang around? It’s too much, it’s too much of a load. Then you want to, when you use some medium for that you do not know he might get somebody else. It’s very dangerous for your children also, so many children have died with this kind of a thing. I mean you develop especially cancer, this multiple sclerosis or anything like that. All these come from spiritualists. These are all spiritualists, these gurus are spiritualists only. They’ll believe is spirits, they’ll handle the spirits they’re working out, these are very dangerous things I may be able to tell you some time how they work it out and how they master it. It’s very dangerous. They’re like vampires, what you call it, vampires. More surprising is that there are so many things in English language, which we don’t have, like witchcraft and the witches were sort of punished, all sorts of things are there. In England, they talk of all these things supernatural and all this but still I don’t know how they go into it. Warren: somebody asked me a question on the way up. Is it wrong to be a medium? This relates to the previous question, so perhaps you could answer that Mother? Shri Mataji: Oh God, I need not tell, it’s very, very wrong to play into the hands of the spirits. You are enslaved completely; you don’t know what happens to you. Horrible, it creates problems absolutely you’re an abnormal personality. Never do it. It’s sinful, sinful. If you accept My words really it’s horrible, never do that. Question: What is the difference between western spirituality and eastern spirituality? Shri Mataji: Now this word spirituality means by these spiritualists you mean? Warren: No. Philosophy. Shri Mataji: Is just the same, spirit is just the same. Is universal, there is no difference at all, I do not find any difference. Spirituality means the spirit that is the Atma, you mean the spirit that is the Atma, the one.... Question: I’m talking more about the quest for the spirit. W: search for the spirit Shri Mataji: Search is just the same. But Indians you see now, modern Indians are sort of developing you see, they have to go to that height to see where you have landed yourself. See they can short circuit, they can short circuit if they want but if they want they may have to go to various types of problems you had with that affluence and they may come back. But it is better to short circuit it I tell them. While yours is a problem so easy because you have discovered now that matter is not sufficient. Matter doesn’t give us joy, no use running after matter. But still some of them are running after sex you see and all that. They have to finish another circuit, once they are over with that also then things will be better. But in all this kind of a quest you have lost something indefinitely, no doubt. Going through the matter, going through the sex and going through the power all these trips you see you have lost something, which requires correction. While Indians if they understand with their wisdom they better short circuit this, need not go into plastics and nylons. You see I have to carry nylon saris from England for Indians while they have their silks, they want to wear nylon. So this is the difference in the basic development. But Indians if they take to Sahaja Yoga they’re very good and easy, especially Indian villagers are excellent. They don’t understand all this they have no mental problems you see. I don’t have to discuss with them all these things, they have not gone into all this nonsense so they suddenly become beautiful fruits, that’s all. So this is the difference of little degrees I would say that you are gone to other extreme and you still have to move to that extreme or they may finish off and then we can achieve results. But your quest is much ardent, very sincere and truth. One more thing I always felt and today also I feel that really some great souls are born in the west, that’s why is such a sincere desire, very sincere in their desire. Indians first they come to Me for curing, if not for curing, for getting children ,if not for that for jobs or money all sorts of thing they come up. Or they’ll say, “My mother is sick, my father is sick, my brother is this,” all this goes on. But I have met many, many seekers in the west who just want realisation, very beautiful people no doubt. But you have lost something in your seeking, no doubt, doesn’t matter. Kundalini is that ardent desire within you, which works it out. W: Question: It seems as though the simpler the life we lead the better we are, it is much easier for us. We get away from thinking and so on. Shri Mataji: I agree is a good idea of simplicity but is a, you must understand that also very clearly because we had somebody who was a hippy I should say. He was a real hippy, such big grown, he had grown hair up to this much and all that. He came to Me and scarcely wearing anything in that horrible English cold you see. I said, “What are you doing to yourself why don’t you clad your self properly into proper clothes and better cover yourself,” and I was really didn’t understand him. I said, “You are not living in Africa why are you dressed up like this, it’s like a primitive dress.” He said, “I want to be primitive.”I said, “You cannot by dressing up. Your brain is so over developed, how can you be primitive.” You see by dressing up something do you become that. I mean it’s just a drama you are playing with yourself, you do not become primitive. This is the point is that and then the problem is the brain is thinking the same way, that the same rate and everything the same, only by changing is something that is not good because you should accept as you are. Why to do something like that? But simpler life means this way, that’s another extreme. But you see too much of formality like having a tail coat or wearing morning dress, grey suit and then having a particular type of a glass for a thing and all that nonsense you see, you better finish off. That’s bit too much going too far with it and also caring for all these small, small things like matter that’s something that’s grown in you. Preservation of horrible things and useless things and all that it’s [really?]. And then to think, think, think, think about everything, sit down and think how miserable I am and when there is no misery you just sit down and make miseries by thinking. I don’t find any thing miserable here, what is there? You see in India these people where there people are so happy, chirping just like birds enjoying themselves. They don’t have all the things that you have. So you see to get out of materialism is a better idea, to say that a simpler life means, but you must live beautifully. Beautiful doesn’t mean that you should have ten types of things and all that. Beautifully means you should not be as a morbid stinking, you see. Clean and beautiful you can make beauty out of the soil anything; with love, you can do anything. So you see it’s alright I mean whatever way you dress up or anything makes no difference that’s what I’m trying to say. That it is the inner thing that has to change not the outer. Again the Sahaja Yoga is this.

Public Program Workshop. Sydney (Australia), 29 March 1981. Modi must have told you very clearly about how to grow in Sahaja Yog because he’s one of them who has really taken very positive step to see that he grows. Now one has to understand one simple point about realisation is that, just mere awakening of the Kundalini is not sufficient, that’s just the beginning. You get your realisation but you must become the tree, you have to grow, you have to become. If you cannot grow then you have not achieved what you wanted to be. And you grow very fast, very fast with meditation and with understanding about meditation. Now one of the few hurdles that we have, that I’ve seen it, that are innately built in Sahaja Yoga itself. One of them is that you get it spontaneously so easily that you take it for granted. This is in the pattern of it, only innately built. You see what ever you get so easily you just take it for granted. But the another side of it is like that, that when you have your eyes you don’t know the value of your eyes, you take it for granted. But when you don’t have them then you know the value of eyes, it’s like that. So when you lose vibrations and when you get out of Sahaja Yog, then you start feeling much more lost and then you come back to Sahaja Yoga again. Like a person becomes rich, he enjoys the riches and then you make him poor then he feels it more. So this is the correcting point. But it is very true that Sahaja has this thing innately built in its self that it all happens very spontaneously and you get it for doing nothing at all. So, may be so many of you may lose it because you might find that it is just you got it because of something. I’ve also known of people they get vibrations and they say, “Now it’s all right I don’t need Sahaja Yoga, I am on my own.” Again they’re back like bad pennies with some troubles and some problems and then they go out. Now I would say that Modi is one of those first twelve people who got realisation, after two years I’ve worked on them, while you got realisation in such a short time. Two years I’ve worked on twenty five people out of which twelve got realisation you can imagine, two years! As I’ve told you in London I’ve worked on six people for four years to give them realisation. But once a certain number of people of particular ideologies of permutations and combinations, once they get realisation I find the rate of realisation increases very fast. Like formally we never use to have anybody in the program who has been to any other guru, just avoid them. Even up to the point that this Modi himself used to tell people there’s no program today, no program. And they would ring Me up and find out that there was a program and why they were not allowed. They said “Mother we get headaches you see. They break our necks and they just disturb us and they are good for nothing.” But now, it’s very different. Once we have built up our strength of collectivity we have so many channels, things are working out very differently. So the value that Modi would attach to his realisation is much more than you would attach normally. Because as you see, first even say to have a ordinary oil lamp was a problem. So the oil lamp was very important for people. They would see to it that they would not use out all the oil and they were so careful. But today we have no problem, we have got electricity we take it for granted. Only when the electricity goes off we know what is electricity is. In the same way your realisation also, when it is lost you understand the value of it. But supposing you have just touched it and then you lose it, then you do not understand. But if you’ve got it you’ve enjoyed it then you lose it then you want it back again, so best thing is to be steadily moving towards your evolution. Now after I go away that’s the fears people have here that people start doubting. They said, “It happened with people they started doubting.” Doubting what? Your doubting yourself is the main point is. You cannot believe that you can get realisation. This is the basic. You see to Me, it seems that you feel that how can you get realisation? Only those who are very highly realised souls know that you are realised, they know that you have been given realisation, but they also sometimes ask Me, “Why did you give them realisation. What have they done?” Because you also think hat, I mean we still have to look forward to something else. How can we get realisation, this is the trouble. You don’t believe in yourself. That’s what you have to have confidence in yourself and then you’ll have confidence in Me also. Because there are so many ways, by which you can verify. First of all you can ask questions to the photograph or to Me in your heart, about Myself, My relationship what ever you think could be, what ever you think, put your imagination and see that what you think I could have been. Ask that question. Your vibrations will answer. Put your, stretch your imagination to the last, what could be the last word you could think of Me. You see, some people will put doubts saying that, “Kundalini awakening is very difficult, it is not easy.” Yes it’s true, it’s not easy, it’s a very difficult thing for human beings. You just can’t do it, is a fact. You have to work for days with some guru in some jungle, all alone, seeing nobody, working out your chakras by chakras, sometimes you have to starve, sometimes you have to eat, sometimes you have to breathe, you have to do all kinds of things. And then the guru can work out. But there could be someone who is somehow the master, could be someone. Kundalini is the Holy Ghost within you. So there could be someone like that who can do the job and that is what it is. These things put you into doubts, because you can’t believe it. In relation to yourself you can’t believe it. You can believe in God, you can believe in Holy Ghost, you can believe in Christ but you cannot believe that it has any relationship with you, that you could be that great, that you could get your realisation. So just feel it and enjoy it. First of all, don’t think, that’s why I say, “Don’t think.” Because as soon as you start thinking, Mr. Thomas in you will get up and say that “Hello, this cannot be Self-realisation.” Mr. Thomas was great, you see. Christ had all the disciples and I find all those types around, permutations and combinations and some how Judas also, but they’re rarely to be found. But there are, no doubt and some are Thomas’s, and these Thomas’ are described as murmuring souls by Christ Himself. He said, “These are murmuring souls,” and they murmur and one murmuring soul comes to you, another murmuring soul in you joins hands and you start all murmuring together, start thinking. Now at that time what have you to do on rational grounds is very simple. What have I done so far? I’ve done everything, did I get cool breeze? Did I get my self realisation? Did I feel my own powers? Have I been able to feel myself and others? Because you see your still not fully realised, you may not be able to feel the vibrations of another person, neither you will be able to feel your own vibrations. But there are so many people here who are realised and they can feel yours, and they can verify. Supposing they ask you, “How is your father?” There was one gentleman in England he came and told Me, “Why is everybody asking me about my father?” I said, “Because there’s one particular centre that’s catching,” and I called a child I said now tell Me, “What is the centre catching?” She pointed out this one and I said, “This is the centre.” Everybody is catching on this centre, this is the father centre so they’re asking you about your father. He said, “Yes he’s dead and he died of cancer and he had this and that,” and we had to treat him. For example, anorexia is a disease can be cured by curing this centre. It’s such a deep knowledge and it is such an all pervading knowledge. Because once you know in a tree the sap that goes to all the leaves and all the ends of it and if you can move the sap, your attention can move with the sap, you can know the whole of the tree. You cannot know leaves and then know the tree. How many leaves can you count? But to know the tree the best thing is to get to the sap. To treat a tree is best is to get to its sap, isn’t it? In the same way when you go from inside out then you find that you know yourself and others very well. It’s very simple even small children can do it. So the first doubt comes about yourself, “Oh this is one of them” because there’s a guru shopping going on, you see. There’s a guru shopping, there’s a float, you go to one guru to another, to ESPs and what you call them, all sorts of things, mediums, and all sorts of things they do with the dead bodies or anything. All these things you have been to and you will have found it. So now suddenly you have to come to a temple, where you don’t pay anything and you just get the blessings. So can’t believe it, you just can’t believe it, it’s too much to believe. This is what happens you get confused. You are all ready confused, but confusion could be over by understanding that something is happening to you just wait and see, give it a chance. There’s no way we can bind you to Sahaja Yoga, because there’s no mesmerism here. This is another innately a problem with Sahaja Yoga. Second problem I should say is that you’re too free to do what you like, absolutely free, there’s no binding force except that you feel the love of your Mother. Supposing you are not feeling the vibrations in your hand, there’s no way of binding you down to Sahaja Yog, nothing. We just advise “Go ahead, it will work out, let it work out.” There is no fees, there’s no registration, there’s no compulsion, nothing. It’s your own free will. If you want to stick on you can stick on, if you want to go away you can go away. There’s no force on you of any kind. There’s no registration of your names with some fees or anything, I mean you are not bound to pay anything. If you paid something then you feel, “All right I’ve paid for it, so go through it what ever it is, good or bad.. Supposing you go to see a play and it’s a horrid play but still you say, “All right I’ve paid for it so let me go through it.” But that you cannot do with Sahaja Yoga because you’ve not paid. There’s nobody will force you down, nobody will go on telephoning to you, “Come along, please come along,” and all that. So the attitude has to be changed, it is I who has to gain. Say there’s a beautiful spot somewhere. Now that beautiful spot doesn’t send an invitation card to anyone, everybody goes there. But if you have not yet discovered the beauty of Sahaja Yog in that way and have not enjoyed it fully, you’ll have to go again and again and see for yourself. It is a deliberation on your side not on the side of the Sahaja Yogis or Sahaja Yoga. It’s not going to fall at your feet. That please come to Sahaja Yoga, please donate something, nothing of the kind. If you come you are welcome, if you don’t come, welcome. On the contrary, you will be surprised there’s more rejection than acceptance in Sahaja Yoga. That’s also innately built. I’ve seen some people who are very insincere type they just go out from Sahaja Yoga like a tangent. There was a gentleman who was very troublesome to us in Bombay and we didn’t know what to do with him and he just got transferred from there and we got rid of him. So you just go out of Sahaja Yoga like a tangent and we are saved from the botheration. Because you must understand, if you have problems, if you are not all right it’s a problem for Sahaja Yogis to correct you. It’s just the other way round, if you understand this, then you will understand the thing, what works out. For example if I have to cure somebody it’s a problem for Me and not the problem for the person who’s sick. Now if the tree has to grow is the problem for the gardener not for the tree. So the tree must see to it that it co-operates with the gardener and gets itself developed. If this understanding is developed, that it is I who has to gain, it is I who has to go forward, Mother has not to gain from me anything, She wants me to have all my powers manifested. She wants me to grow through it, if this attitude is developed then you’ll work hard to grow and you’ll work it out. But on the contrary you see at the slightest protest if you ego stands up and says, “Why, why should I do this?” To overcome this hurdle you see, we have to build up certain stages. That’s what Modi was telling Me. That you first become thoughtlessly aware, see that silence is established. There are certain things that you do much later, everybody is not allowed in there, because truth can be only born by people who are strong enough to bear it. That’s why I’m not going to tell you who am I, till you reach a certain stage, because you cannot bear the light. That’s what happened with Christ. They crucified Him because they could not bear Him. Human beings are like that, they can’t even bear an incarnation of love. They can’t even bear love, it’s too much for them. Even if you give them too much love they get upset, they get disturbed, they just can’t bear it. So you have to build up yourself to come to a certain stage of understanding of Sahaja Yoga. It’s a state, which you achieve. It’s a state. You are not to be certified by anyone on the...But it’s a state where you will start giving realisation to others and the whole way you’ll be talking you will be in a very different manner as if you are completely detached. You’ll say “It is going, it is coming.” It happens. You will not say my mother must get, my father must get, you will never say like that. Because you’ll understand that the problem of Sahaja Yoga is that it cannot give to anyone. Like the sunshine can shine it is for the trees to expose themselves to the sunshine and get the advantage of it. The sunshine is not going to run after you all over to see that you get it. This is the point here, it will shine the whole day and you take it. But it’s not that it will run after you all the time requesting you, “Oh please get me, oh please get me, have it, have it,” like that. And this is what one has to understand very clearly, that it is you who has to ask for it, and not anybody is going to force on you anything. On the contrary if anybody tries to say something more your ego gets like that. So try to be careful. I am very happy to know that also, that in all the ego orientated societies I’ve seen that Sahaja Yoga works like wonders. Because first thing they see is their colossal ego. And that’s a very positive point about it, because once you start seeing this horrible balloon in you, you just start watching yourself and enjoying, “Oh Mr so and so now get along with your ego.” You see it’s a very interesting life you start leading. If your ego you see, is a very good sign. If you cannot see your ego then there’s danger. But some can even see their super ego if they’re possessed. See people see how they get possessed suddenly because the frequency of possession becomes very little so that there’s a big gaps you see to see the time when you are normal and when you get abnormal also you can see clearly that you are abnormal. By seeing that you start judging, “Oh God I have again been caught up, I’m again lost,” and you come back to normal. The whole thing becomes a very beautiful understanding of the reality about yourself and you laugh at yourself all the time. All the time you laugh at your self and you laugh at everything and you find the whole joke going round how people are seriously indulging into nonsensical things and how it’s such a big joke you’ve been yourself worrying about things which have no meaning, which has no significance. Like I went first to Paris and people told Me, “Mother they are not going to like you very much, because they believe a person who is so happy is ignorant. You should not be a happy person. You should be a crying baby so they’ll believe You. They’re all les miserable, very unhappy people, extremely unhappy and if you tell them you are a happy person so they are going to be shocked at such a thing." I said, “Really this Les Miserable, let me (inaudible). Let Me do something about them" and I made them laugh so much at their miseries that they got all right and they understood that the joy is just there. You have to just peep in your heart and you’ll find the source of your joy and then the whole thing vanishes into thin air. But it has to work, it has to happen. There is no quick way of doing it in the sense that I say, “All right, you give me five rupees or five dollars, Australian dollars and you get it.” No, no, no, no, you may give Me any amount it won’t work out. It has not worked out with My own daughters you’ll be surprised. I’ve never forced them or I’ve never asked them. I’ve only two daughters they’re not realised, I’m not bothered. When they’ll ask for it they’ll get it. But My four grandchildren are born realised. And one of the eldest ones one day very seriously said, “As it is you cannot commit mistakes I know but it would have been nice if you have given them realisation when they were children.” You see this is what it is that you cannot force these things on anyone and you have to take a very detached view. You are a seeker, your mother and you are there but they are not your responsibility, you can tell them about Sahaja Yoga. But if they are opposing you better have, let them be alone, they’ll come round. When they see the transformation in within you, they will definitely come. So leave them alone. Don’t bother your heads. Just leave them alone and you will be amazed that they will see you transforming so well and acting so well and they’ll change themselves and they will come to you and ask you, “How are you so much changed and transformed?” You see, proof of the pudding is in seeing the pudding up there, changing people. And this transformation, you’ll be amazed coming into you so suddenly that you will be amazed. But as I told you, that on the left side is the desire or you can say the super ego, the desire to do something. And the right side is the ego which we try to, sort of please, and which feels happy and the one by which we have ambitions. But in the centre is the willpower to do this. And this willpower has to be increased by you, “I have to do it, I have to do it.” First you’ll feel tired because your left heart is weak, then I will tell you how to do it. ‘Then know how to raise your left heart if you’re tired. See most of the people these days are very tired people. They talk, “Ah,” they sit down “Ah.” They can’t, I mean they are very tired, absolutely fagged out people. Morning till evening what have you been doing, nothing. Just sitting in the sun you got tired, just lazing out you got tired. Why, why did you get tired? Firstly because you’re not integrated, you are fighting with in yourself. You’re head is fighting your heart, your heart is fighting your liver. Secondly, you are thinking and wasting your energy. So you have to learn how to settle your heart, what has to be done to raise your heart to make it peaceful and how to get the energy from your spirit. Once you start doing that your tired feeling will go away. Then your aggressiveness also will decrease and you’ll be amazed that you will just watch the whole thing. Neither you’ll aggress nor you’ll take aggression and the whole reaction will be very different. Then everything has a meaning, your feelings have a meaning. Supposing you have a feeling today for Poland, which is in trouble, all of you should ask just now, “Mother solve the problem of Poland.” Because I have no desires you see, I am desire less, you have to ask and it works, you’ll be amazed because your attention is enlightened now, it just works. You have to desire for it and it works. You have to work for it and it works. And so many miraculous things people will tell you just believe them that’s all true. Money problems solved, because of Lakshmi Tattwa within, financial problems solved, social problems solved, family problems solved, because you are solved. See in relation to you all everything seems problematic. When your problems are solved everything is solved. It’s so simple as that. We have to solve ourselves and it is solved through the awakening of the Kundalini. Now I would like to have some questions from you and then I would like you to go into groups with the Sahaja Yogis and talk to them on intimate level and also you must tell Me your problems. If you have any intimate problems, you can talk to Me also. But best is to talk to each other.I would like Warren to see to it that he organises all these groups properly. But I would love to have some questions from you about Sahaja Yoga now. Question: How can one laugh at abortion. W: He's talking about abortion, you are taking the view that it is bad? Shri Mataji: I’m not saying you have to, I said you are not to laugh, means you laugh at silly stupid things I meant, you see. But at abortion as I can’t understand you see. This is a very funny situation in this country. As it is the birth rate is minus and you are having abortions. Question: Does it exist in India much abortion Shri Mataji: Not much, people don’t like it at all, they hate it. And you know the trouble is like this. You people are having no children so we have to have the load on us. You see what to do? Nobody to be born here, they don’t want to be born here because there is no love in the heart. See when, the other day when somebody told Me about the doctors here some of them are butchers I couldn’t believe it. Because in India at least, doctors are not butchers by any chance. I was surprised; this is because everything has become a butchery here, because the heart is covered with ego. There’s no heart left. You have to raise the heart. That’s important, once you raise the heart, you see, you cannot stand all this nonsense, you know. Why do you want to have abortion I still can’t understand? Question: Does it affect Swadishthan charka? Shri Mataji: Oh, it affects many chakras, I mean. There was someone I knew who always used to catch on right heart, I must tell you this, very nice person, always on right heart. His father was a good man, everything was fine, asked him, “How are you catching on right heart?” He was not married and when he came very close to Me then he confessed to Me that, “I lived with a woman and she was going to have a baby and she went in for an abortion and I conceded, and since then I have been feeling very sad about the whole thing.” But the whole view about life has to be changed then only you can avoid these things. You see it is a symptom of a disease. It’s not the disease itself, abortion is not the disease, is a symptom of a disease. Now what is the disease with in us is, is that, that we have allowed our sex to be let loose completely, talking too much about sex from childhood. What is the need to give education in sex, I’ve been failed to understand? Openly, there’s no need to teach about, you see, do the animals need any sex education, they still produce. Then they told Me, “They tell about sex only because they think by telling about sex they can protect people from not going into sex.”I said, “No, they create too much of curiosity in children.” For example, in India we never talk about sex to children, they do not know, they are so innocent. Even till the marriage takes place some of the girls do not know what sex actually is, how it works out and all. But they are told this is something filthy to do and all that and when the girl gets into puberty it is told and to the boys also, somehow or other it is a very different society. This question doesn’t come, it never comes into the head of the boys and girls. You see if you keep them pure, like it doesn’t come in the head of a sister and a brother even today, thank God. Many sisters and brothers I should say, despite Freud’s all efforts to spoil your minds, but still there are brothers and sisters' relations today. In the same way it doesn’t come into their heads at all. And when they get married they are to be told, this is what it is. And that’s why they say these koarak and all these places were built where they could take young brides and young people to see that. This was called as Koomari Kar Temple, means the married women when they were not virgins could go there and see those places to understand what is sex is and they got so exhausted with this early sex life, I mean you go into all kinds of tantrums then. Because you’re so exhausted then you go into perversions. The basics are wrong. We are trying too hard to be sexologists. There’s no need to be sex points you are that already. But you don’t want to be only sex points, do you? I don’t know what makes you feel that that is the end of every, every endeavor, everything should end up there. May be that advertisement and all this is coming to you too much because they think that by exploiting these things they will help you. But it’s such a perverted thing and (Seeker interrupts and asks Shri Mataji about people in India being given a gift like a transistor radio for sterilization. Does it have a purpose? It has a purpose to a point.....) W: Oh, I'm sorry this has another point.... He is talking about in India where they give a transistor radio.... Shri Mataji: That’s what they try, this is also, you see western ideas coming to India. Oh, they did all sorts just to sterilise them. Oh! that’s how the lady lost her last election, last election she has now pulled her ears for that. You see, they are all westernised people you see, they try to try all these tricks in.... People don’t like it you see. There’s a bridegroom who went for his wedding and poor thing saw that there was a team of people standing there for sterilisation. He jumped out of the bus and he disappeared forever, nobody knows where he is, disappeared. ‘And they even sterilised people who were very old and who were not even married you see. It’s so funny, so indiscriminate, I think they were possessed by some bhoots I don’t know what to call them. You see population is a problem in India but what to do now, you should solve the problem. And there is something working out in a very funny way, I must tell you. I went to Colombia, I found lots of these Norwegians carrying Colombian children with them. And they looked so different from Norwegian children, Norwegian people and these Colombian children. I asked them, “Why do you acquire these children, where are you carrying them? They said “We have adopted them”.I said, “Why don’t you produce your own? That would be better, to produce your own.” "No we don’t want to go through the process of it, it’s better to have ready made." So the supply has started in having all this in developing countries to give you ready made children. Isn’t if funny, it’s funny things going on, instant babies. Question: If a chakra is blocked and you clean the chakras wouldn’t you being undoing the karmic cycle that a person has to go through? Shri Mataji: Very good idea, Because I think you people...I know the question is this, that he is saying that if you try to clean the chakras you will be undoing the karmic cycle and all that you see this is the typical things that are being circulated in the west you see. That you have your own karmas you see and we are the gurus so you have to go through your karmas, you must suffer for your karmas you see like that is there. Now, this theory was all right before Christ came in, not after His coming. And why are they here then? Why are we paying them, for what? You better pickle them out. They’re worth nothing because they just take money from you, and we have to go through our karmas. They make you dance, jump go into all kinds of things. Put spirits in us and say, “You are suffering your karmas. Why should we suffer?” At least they should suffer for our karmas, minimum of minimum. Now Christ has done that for you. He has taken all these karmas, your karmas upon Himself. He has made way for us, that’s why you have to pass through Him. Once you pass through Him, through Agnya chakra, your karmas are sucked in by Him, that’s your ego. It’s the only ego that says you have done this wrong, and that wrong. You see an animal doesn’t think that way. It thinks it’s it own sva bhavah the way it has to be. But it’s only the human beings who think I’ve done this wrong, I’ve done that wrong. I’ve done this good, that bad because we have ego. But when your Kundalini passes through your Agnya chakra your ego is sucked in, your superego is sucked in. Christ has done double job in one shot you know, it’s great. That’s why He was crucified, it was to be. He took all your karmas upon Himself and put it into hell. So whatever karmas you have done are all sucked in. But the door must open fully. In the beginning it happens that only a thread comes up, you see, and the ego is not fully sucked in so sometimes it still comes up and all that. The best weapon to get rid of them is to forgive others. Forgiveness is the greatest weapon Christ has given us, which we have to use, forgive, forgive and forgive. That’s a very good way, Lords Prayer is the solution for your Agnya chakra, you’ll be amazed. You have to say Lords Prayer after realisation to open your Agnya. Then you become thoughtlessly aware. After realisation, again I say, not before realisation, it has no meaning. Before realisation what ever you have said has gone into karmas. Only after realisation you are baptized and get an opening here and all your karmas pass through that. Also you will find when you get realisation lot of heat comes out, these are the karmas you see, that are coming out. Let the heat go out and all karmas are finished. It’s like that. This is what is Self-Realisation. Like an egg is in a egg shell, is very different, but when it becomes a little chick and the mother breaks the tip of the egg a new bird comes out without any karmas or the smell of the egg. So clean and nice, everything converted into something beautiful. It’s like that, this is the rebirth. This is how we become a new personality a new being. So to forget about your karmas after your realisation, all right. He has said it that, “He died for your sins.” Didn’t He? And the wages of sin is fear. If you still have fear within you of your karmas, you are still sinning. There should be no fear about it. Do not have any guilt, I’ve been telling you not to have any guilt. What can you do? What sins can you commit? Do not have any fear. This is very common as I told you the other day, left Vishuddhi, I have to talk about it quite a lot. It’s so common, in Australia, in America and in all the western countries, to feel guilty. Everything collapses there and nobody can rise through the Agnya because it collapses down here onto left Vishuddhi where you feel guilty. What are you feeling guilty about? And why did Christ come on this earth? You are just wasting His incarnation by feeling guilty yourself. He has taken all your guilt upon Himself. What do you thing He was? He was Omkara, he was Pranava, He was the word, He was that power. He’s not attached to anything but He can take away everything that you think is sin, because He’s sinless, He so pure, immaculate. All right, does that give you some hope? Or still you are indulging into your own miseries? Question: Can You give us some guide about diet. Shri Mataji: Diet? All right. This diet theory is also coming from some horrible Brahmins you see. Don’t listen to them. They are the greatest rakshasas ever born on this earth. Devils, rakshasas are monsters. They eat like hell, they eat such a lot and they always tell you, “Don’t do this and don’t do that.” You can eat anything you like, except don’t eat the meat of animals which are bigger than you. I mean otherwise you will develop muscles which will have funny contours and things. Eat animals which are smaller than you, is the point is. And if you eat those animals they do not also have much sense of compassion and all that. It’s all right they are just like vegetables, sort of things, so it doesn’t matter. You don’t kill them, they are killed in the machine and all that, you have to eat that, and you need it, you have to eat. But that doesn’t mean that if you are vegetarians you should become non vegetarians. It doesn’t mean that. Whatever you eat, you can eat. Eating is not going to change your spirit. Spirit doesn’t eat, it does not. Makes no difference to the spirit except that, to your body which is the lamp. So if you have to keep the wick all right, you have to keep the lamp all right and for that don’t eat anything that is a very big animal compared to yourself. Cows meat for example in India they don’t eat, because, “Have you ever seen Indian cows they’re very gentle.” And the cows are in the house, just like mother they start giving milk to the children they see. Every day they are taking the milk of the cows so they develop a feeling, you see. And that’s why they don’t drink, you see. But it doesn’t mean that if your Australian cows are I don’t think are like that. Because what I’ve seen they look like buffalos to Me sometimes. Like My granddaughter, she came to England and she asked Me, “Mother, Grandmother, why the buffalos in England are white?” Yes, so, it’s all right. But you’ll come down on diet. It will be different you see, you’ll see gradually. But don’t worry about it. Gradually everything drops out into very little things. But you allow yourself to develop. Question: Eggs? And things like that? Shri Mataji: Oh, eggs you better have, lots of it. But if you have liver it’s not good to have eggs. Eggs is very heating, pork is otherwise good but not good for the people who have liver problem. See you must understand that every person is different. Now today I met a lady who is very left sided. So I had to tell her, “You eat pork, eggs everything. You see it is how you are. Even the Indian Ayurveda is like that. They want to know the prakruti, the character of a person how he is. We have evolved from different types of animals. I saw the nocturnal ones. You see the nocturnal ones must eat a lot of meats, those who have evolved from nocturnal side, you see. Left-sided, the ones who are afraid and frightened and who are not egoistical at all you see. Such types they should take more meats and things but those who are too much aggressive better take to vegetables, is better. All right now, what’s the question? Question: Does forgiveness stop the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer? Shri Mataji: It does absolutely, absolutely. Sahaja Yoga is the thing that balances the society. Those who are poor become richer and the rich understand that they must share. Willingly they start sharing their money. But you become really rich in a very miraculous manner. Now there’s a girl here and I would like her to tell you what happened to her, it’s miraculous. But she’s an Australian and she doesn’t tell lies you can see that very clearly and she’ll tell you what happened to her. Where is she gone? Cheryl come along. Is she here? No let her tell, is better, she’s Australian they’ll believe her more. But never trust an Indian that’s even worse. You know some of the gurus have introduced some Indian bhoots, Indian spirits into English people, and Americans and also European and I find they behave just like Indians. They’ll cheat, they embezzle, they’ll take away things, not the women, they’ll not touch the women you see. But they’ll touch the things, they take away the empty cans, is typical Indian you see. It’s rather surprising, yes there are some, I’ve seen them like that. It’s surprising to see such things happening to a western person who behaves just like an Indian, must be some possession of bhoots put by these gurus. So if you believe Me then I can tell you what she’s told, it’s really miraculous, very miraculous, you see. Cheryl was telling Me that she wanted to come to India and she had no money. So her daughter was very anxious to come to India and they didn’t know what to do, they didn’t have sufficient money. So they just said, “Mother we want to come to India can you arrange it for us, that’s all.” And it so happened that this girl had taken a trinket she had in the house, a bracelet to the school for a sale, whenever they have the fetes all over. So she took that for the fete and the teacher said, “I think this is gold.” She couldn’t believe it. She brought it home and they got it valued and they found that the price of the thing was equal to what they had to spend for both of them travel. But this is nothing. And then she got some money from somewhere in the house, somewhere I don’t know how she got some money and she didn’t sell even the bracelet. And that’s still there she said, “For the next trip.” I said, “I hope so, you sell it.” “May not.” Like that you see, things work out, because your Laxshmi Tattawa, your centre of well being gets enlightened and then you are looked after. So many things happen. Like today they told Me so many things of this kind happening to them and I too. You see when these people came in, I had told them all right, you give Me so much money may be required for your stay there. Very little it was, very little for them to be there in India after all, you see India is also now becoming very expensive. And when I went to India I had discovered it had become very expensive, doesn’t matter I said, “I’ll put it in the bank. “Let it be there.” And anybody ask Me, “Have it, you want it, have it, now spend go,” and it was all right. I could manage, see that’s what he did, and so many of them have done it. It’s looked after. You go to right places, you get right things, don’t spend too much, you do not repent for spending and you feel happy for whatever you have. You feel very joyous, not worried about counting but if you make a budget you had it. You don’t worry your head about budgeting, how much you're going to spend, you’ll be surprised. You won’t go to things which are unnecessary, useless but you’ll buy something that is very good and ultimately these things will be very precious for you to sell. Many things have happened like that. Many things have happened. Question: Why is Australia important for the future? W: Maybe about Shri Ganesha? Shri Mataji: Only thing I don’t want to pamper the ego. Question: Is Australia blessed? Shri Mataji: Very much, very much blessed. It’s a very much blessed place, specially created. Australia was the first continent to be created and if I dare to answer this question, I hope you’ll believe Me and not get into ego trips. Australia is a place which is described in the ancient Puranas that a great saint was sent to Australia and another heaven was created. And that saint is called as Thrishanku which is your Southern Cross...what do you call that? That shows the Southern Cross and you can only see Southern Cross from Australia. This is one of the Puranas, the Vedas have also mentioned this and even before that Australia is the place which has the Ganesha. The first is the Mooladhara Chakra, the first centre is in Australia. How much wise you should be. Did you hear Me? W: (Question) She wanted your opinion about the Australian aboriginals. Shri Mataji: Oh, they must have been good people to begin with, I am sure of it. They must have been very good and holy people and nice people but I think later on they deviated because of too much jungles and things you know, they started feeling the fear of the nature too much. They must have worshiped things, which were good to begin with and later on to some things like spirits and this. More over the dead bodies, the way they disposed of must have been something wrong. So maybe they might have gone into a left sided action, into primitive ways of exciting these bhoots and things, spirits and spiritualism and all that. But in Australia must be the minimum, in Africa is horrible. African countries have too much of it but it should be the minimum of minimum because you see, Ganesha’s chakra is connected with the left side, you see is more on the left side, isn’t it? So also one can go drift more on to the left side, that is what it is. And even today I feel there’s kind of a lurking inferiority complex that works in Australians. They try to copy the west, there’s nothing to copy there, they’ve nothing sensible. They have to learn from you. You see this is a little inferiority complex we have that all the best things are in the west. That’s wrong, you are much better of in so many ways. At least you’ve not lost your moorings. So I would not pass a general remark about any community as such but there is a possibility that they can come up very well too. I mean they can get out of all that left-sidedness. In India also we have big communities in the south where people have lived with too much ritualism and all that and have taken to left-sided behaviour of attracting you know spirits and this and that, and giving those [telesmart?] and all that. They have done all that they are doing, like witchcraft, witch doctors and all that. They must be doing it, but it can be cured, there’s no problem. As the west, people are over developed and very ego orientated and right side. Both are extreme cases, but you can correct. The people who are left side it’s easier because they have to move forward but it’s difficult for ego orientated to move backwards. But if we can do that there why not here, so nothing is lost. One should not worry too much about these things. Human begins are just the same, everybody has Kundalini, finished. As long as you have Kundalini I have no problem. Question: Is there anything wrong with eating chilies? Shri Mataji: No, it suits some people very much. Some people should have, those who suffer from colds will be a good idea, suffer from constipation is a good idea. But don’t eat too much of anything. But it’s good for some people, something is good for some people, something is good for some people, you have to just find out. For people who get constipated it is better to have a little of green chilies all the time, it is very rich in vitamin C. It is very rich in vitamin C is good for people who catch colds very easily. Question: Do you know anything about the teaching called Mahikari. Shri Mataji: I know. You see Mahikari thing was, the person who started Mahikari was a realised soul, though not so well equipped. I’ve met him before his realisation and he got realisation I think through Me only, what ever it was. I do not want to claim anything like that. But only thing is he was not equipped, well equipped. Like anybody here who gets realisation starts doing something. And his daughter I think, mislead the people because she’s not a realised soul. She became very money-orientated, she started putting it, it’s happened with every one of them. But poor thing, this one was not, he just got realisation he was not an incarnation also, you see. Even incarnations who came on this earth like Christ you see, like Mohammad Sahab, like Rama, Krishna see such great incarnations were purest of pure. Even those people have been mishandled and people have raised organisations, which are just money making propositions. Everything some how man makes into money. I don’t know how, it’s something that happens to human beings you see. Then they start giving [Telesmart?] then they start giving this, that, cross, this I mean it’s a money-making proposition throughout. You see this is the trouble. Warren: She said you are very right. Shri Mataji: And you may lose lots of your powers, even ordinary, normal powers with this kind of a wrong attitude you see, or misguidance, because it happens like that, you can make mistakes, you can do so many things. You know I’ve seen people, one girl whom I had given realisation she went to a lady who was a medium. She used to get “Ho, ho, ho, ho,” like that, and this thing. And she gave her a talisman and she became actually blind, actually blind. Now she’s blind, her eyes are open, I mean I have to still cure her. This is the report I got about her. Question: Would you say the same of the Hari Krishna Organisation? Shri Mataji: Oh, now you are pulling Me into controversy. But I will tell you the other way round. You see if you go on calling say the name of anybody, even your name would you like it? So then how can God like it? On the Oxford Street you stand up, you should see the site, they even sell those things see like wigs, they sell them like wigs in the market. They shave off and sometimes they wear wigs. See it’s not show, it is something that has to happen within. It’s not the show that you put up is something that has to happen. You see most of them end up with throat cancer and very violent, very violent people. They are beggars, absolute parasites. Warren: (Jaguars) with expensive cars. Shri Mataji: You see this is very nice,I met somebody in England and I told him, “What do you do here?” He said, “I deal in opium.” I got a fright.I said, “Opium, how do you deal in opium?”“Other people’s money,”I said, “That’s very good, other people’s money.” You see you can float an enterprise. It’s very easy because you are such seekers such great seekers of ages and you are so naïve, very good. You go anywhere they’ll take a square, sit there with saffron cloths with some circles on, another fellow will be fanning. Oh this one is very great, coming direct from Kashi. Then have nothing to do with horrible people. Kashi is one of the worst places now. So you all go and prostrate. This is what it is. I mean, why are you enamoured by these circuses, aren’t you fed up with them? We had a lady from Norway, this one was very interesting. She came to My house, stayed with Me, very badly caught up, and she told Me the story of a lama who came to Norway. First he told all these Norwegians, “You see, if I have to come to Norway you have to make a place with the floor which has got all marble.” Look at that. They’re such parasites these Lamas are. First they have sucked the blood of these poor Tibetans and now they were willing to suck the blood of these Norwegians. Now these poor young people you see, I should say the young people in the west are really not rich because they’re parents do not give them money the way we give our children you see. So they starve themselves, they ate only potatoes and this and that and for one year they starved themselves to create this floor for these horrible people. And this fellow came you see, with his shaved head and all that. He stayed there and this lady told Me that she had to go and just bow to him one thousand times for three months. One thousand times. Imagine, just to go, as it is he’ll be finished, even three times is sufficient to finish you off. And three months she did it. And with Me she was arguing morning till evening. I said, “Look at that, her arguing with Me, eating My head off and here you're bowing to him.” They would not allow anybody to go near the lama, the great was sitting on the seventh step somewhere hanging in the air. Is very common you know, the more you are missing from the scene the more you are difficult to be seen you see. Is something great, “Oh, ho! I’ve seen the glimpse of that horrible thing,” that’s what people think. You see this is what they play upon you emotional, what you call it emotional blackmail. That’s what it is. They will tell you first of all they’re, we call them chumchars, we call them spoons. They’ll come and tell you, “Oh this is very difficult, you know. He may not give you any interview, and you have to at least you should shell out five hundred rupees, see it is not easy, it’s very difficult. Only you should send your photograph with five hundred,” all this nonsense. If you are the river Ganges, what can malign you, what can dirty you, what can make you impure? If you are here for purification then nothing can impure you. One two three four, now the one who has not asked at all should ask. Question: Over the years it seems we have lost our power to believe in ourself that we had in Egyptian times the power to believe in ourselves but we went wrong... Warren: the question is concerning the loss of power within ourselves, perhaps back in the days of Egypt we had these powers, we seem to have lost our power to believe in ourself. Shri Mataji: I don’t know even if at that time you had those powers very much. But Egyptians indulged more on the ego side you see, those who were rulers. And the slaves were on the left hand side too much because they obeyed the rulers you see. So the sensitivity came to them from spirits, not directly from themselves. And some of them were really, very realised souls and you’ll be amazed if these extreme cases are there, they understand an incarnation better. Say if you are taking LSD too much, you will see only lights coming out of Me, you won’t see Me. There are many who must have seen that, auras and things, if you are on the right hand side too much. If you are on the left had side you’ll be awed, you’ll be shaking before Me and you may see My previous births and you’ll be quite frightened because you’ll know what it is. So they understood the incarnations better, but evolutionary you are much higher than they are. Though there’s confusion because of so called freedom you had which you misused. But as a whole I think this is the time for blossom. Only thing you must know that you’re a seeker and you are a seeker then you must get it and if you get it why should you be surprised. But it’s like a seeking has become like a fashion, seeking here, seeking there seeking there, seeking you stop nowhere you see. You see you go on fixing the bolts you see, you’re just going with an inertia, even if you stop fixing you still go on like that. It’s like that, you see, it’s a style you have developed going from this to that, that to that, that to that and you cannot stop it. Question: I’d be interested in Your opinion of philosophy for Rudolf Steiner and secondly your concept of Papa tax sungar in India. All these are all people playing on bhoots and things, that’s all I can say. (Shri Mother asks the seeker what does Steiner say and he says million words.) Word, words, words and words, what does he say? Might be a realised soul but what does he say? (Seekers tries to tell Shri Mataji what he writes about.) He might be a realised soul like Khalil Gibran is, you see his vibrations are good. He might be, but still you have to become realised souls you see. Reading that even Zen is all that. Zen is everything is, nothing but his realisation. But you’ll be amazed that the head of Zen himself reads all Zen without being realised, and he’s a hopeless fellow. I just talked to him and he said, “Oh, he cannot get realisation.” He’s confirmed on that point. Imagine the head of the Zen saying that, and he said we had kashapas only twenty six kashapas we had in six centuries can you believe it. And he wouldn’t take his realisation and he was so frightened. He accepted Me all right but he said, “I am nowhere, Mother, compared to You.” “What is this? But I am telling you can get.” Warren: Steiner catches on Agnya and Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: So it’s good to read somebody who is a realised soul, but you better get it yourself. You become Steiner, all right. What I’m saying, you become a realised soul. And you can write about your own experiences. Yes, please. Question: Seeker asks about opinion of Dadaji. Shri Mataji: Dadaji, he’s arrested. Warren: In Calcutta Shri Mataji: He’s already in jail. No, he was in Pune where he was arrested, this Dadaji. This happened about I think, I don’t know, but I heard about it. I don’t know when it happened. No it was not because of any political thing. But they found some income tax things and all that and lots of, I don’t know, I didn’t pay much attention, but he’s arrested that I know. There are these sorts of things but the best part of the thing is that all that is untruth is exposed, gradually. Whatever things they may put out, whatever story they may put out, whatever they may try, they may entice you, you may be interested in them whatever it is. But they themselves meet their end. Because all that is falsehood has an end and truth is endless, it is anand, it is eternal. The truth is eternal. Question: What do you see as the future of the United Nations? Shri Mataji: That’s a tricky question. My husband is one of the secretary generals. I better not speak all right. Let it be. We’ll see about it, work it out. Some tricks we have to play. Question: Do you know of Krishnamurti? Shri Mataji: Oh, very much, he’s another one. Krishnamurti is another blah, blah, blah. I’ll tell you about Krishnamurti very well. You see what Krishnamurti does? He says this part what I say that “There are false gurus.” But I don’t say there are not real ones. If there is falsehood, if there’s artificiality, there has to be real. If there are artificial flowers there has to be a real flower, too. So he negates you from the other side completely and he puts up your ego by saying, “Oh you can find it,” so you are finished. He’s a blind leading others into blindness. ( A seeker relates his meeting with Krishnamurti to Shri Mataji. He saw him personally asks him “why do you do what you do” and Krishnamurti said, “Does a rose ask why?”) Shri Mataji: I mean it has no awareness, simple answer is as that. A rose has no awareness. By any chance he’s not a rose. he’s just thorns that’s what I know. Those who have come from him have had a very bad time I must tell you. You see they are really so depressed and so horrid. We had one architect; I mean his life was finished. So many of them I’ve met, horrible they’re very argumentative. The best example I’ll give you about this because you’ve brought forth. There was a fellow who came to see Me, he’s the grandson of his guru. His guru was Yogananda, Yogananda, the Kriya yogis, you see. He was the grandson of the Dadaji or something, Babaji, called Dadaji then Babaji are there. This Babaji, his grandson, you see, his Yogananda’s guru was somebody else, and he was the son of this fellow, but I mean the grandson of his guru, so the great grandson of Babaji. So the whole family was Kriya and he did all the Kriya Yoga and everything he did. He went there and he got so frightened. One day he happened to see this Krishnamurti that there should be no he said, “No Kriya and all that, you see, that you are your own guru,” and this and that.” So he said, “Oh God, what have I been doing?”So he gave up Kriya Yoga and came to Mr. Krishnamurti.He said, “I became such an expert that I spoke better than Krishnamurti did.”And everybody was surprised and said, “Second Krishnamurti is coming and I ran away from there. I said, “Now this is that thing is happening to Me." And he came to Me, you’ll be amazed I’ve not been able to give him realisation till today. I must tell you this, he comes to Me still often. Often, very often he comes to Me. I’ve not yet given him realisation. Imagine the grandson of this Babaji has to bear I don’t know what things, poor things has been done to him, I ‘m very sorry for him. Question: Do you know Rajneesh? Shri Mataji: He’s another horrible one. Why do you need a guru for such a thing? You are masters. He’s a fool, he doesn’t know compared to what you know. But you see what you thought of, that inside you are human beings, you feel guilty that you talk of sex with animals, sex with this, this, that. If there’s something lurking in you, there’s something wrong in all this perversion and homosexuality this that and all that. So you thought it better to have a guru at least he’ll certify. But he is going to make you take two running jumps to go to hell, I tell you. And he talks, just there and he talks, “That you’ll go to bottomless pit,” in the bible a bottomless pit is the hell. You see he’s very honest in a way, he says so. He said, “You’ll go to bottomless pit.” He has criticised Christ to such an extent that he said that Christ had bad relations with his own Mother. Oh to that extent, he said about Mohammad having bad relation with his daughter. All sorts of things he is talking and you know people publish it. He’s getting such a publicity. He pays money to people that they write against Me and doing all kinds of things. Indians don’t like him at all, at all, they hate him, they want him to get out but he’s so localised he cannot smell a flower and he calls himself Bhagavan, means God. In the book you see, anywhere you read, any Indian book where they have described God, the names of God, they’re thousand names supposing, of Vishnu or of the Goddess, anything. At least fifteen or twenty of them are that they are fond of flowers, they’re fond of fragrance, they’re fragrant. That they’re fond of Kamalas, Champas they’re fond this that all is there and this fellow cannot see, if you show a flower to him he’ll run away. He cannot bear to have any incense being burnt anywhere. When you go there you they see and you can only put phenyl to go and see him. I think he’s a bathroom cleaner, that’s what he is. The way he’s so much afraid. I don’t know what he likes the bathroom smell. And he does all dirty things, very dirty fellow, is filthy I don’t want to tell you what he does but I know what he does. Question: Could you explain the meaning of satoori and samadhi. Shri Mataji: That’s Zen. You see, Zen satoori is the same as samadhi but it’s a, you see the Zen were as I told you in six centuries were twenty-six and whatever they wrote people never understood you see. Because they were realised souls, some of them were born realised, some got realisation. Now even when you will talk people won’t understand you, it’s a very surprise thing. But it happens like that because your language changes. Now they call it satoori is a samadhi but it’s not so clearly given, they could not explain so clearly about it not properly to people, it’s not so clear cut. Now in our Sahaja Yoga we have first of all Nirvichara samadhi. Samadhi, dhi means awareness, and samadhi means enlightened awareness. Nirvichara means thoughtless. Thoughtless enlightened awareness is first thing, is clear. Sahaja Yoga is very clear cut practical, every word of it. You see it so clearly there’s no vagueness about it. Even you’ll understand Bible better, Zen better, everything better if you know Sahaja Yoga because your eyes are open to it, all right. So the first thing is Nirvichara Samadhi. With Nirvichara Samadhi when it crosses your Agnya chakra you get Nirvichara, means when your ego is pulled down. With that you get powers. Like you see if you become a deputy governor you get powers if you become a governor you get powers. The first powers you get is curative powers. You get cured and you can cure others. Many people whom I have cured are not Sahaja yogis, they’re useless people actually. I’ve given up curing people for the same reason because they just come for cures, they get cured and lost. What’s the use of curing people who are not going to give the light? You see you don’t repair lights which are not going to work out. It’s a horrible stuff you see, curing people, but you do cure. You start curing people automatically with raising [sounds like das?] not with spirit. There are another faith healers and all that nonsense is not there. Also Kundalini can rise to a point with a person like that. But one should not stay at that point must go higher. Because the movement on right and left you start getting either supra conscious or your subconscious experiences which can be very alluring and you can be quite lost in them. You start seeing lights, you start seeing something different, you might see an aura around Me. I mean you see lots of things, you may see something else in My past , that should not be there. You should forget about it. You have to go to the airport to catch the plane isn’t it, so don’t see all the things around, it’s all not wanted. Many people get lost at that point when they stop at Agnya, if you have concentrated here this can happen more because this is broken or if you have had this third eye business and all that you may go to the side. It can be quite dangerous. You see if you use these your samadhi for some sort of a sensation. So you should not. I mean all wise people should not use this movement at all, as far as possible say, “No we don’t want to see that. We don’t want to have any supra conscious sensation,” and all that. Then you rise higher and then you try to feel your silence in the limbic area and you have to feel your vibrations coming out from your head. It is the vibrations when they are flowing that’s the best stage, when you have pierced through your Brahmarandra. So the second stage starts from Nirvikalpa Samadhi growing into, which many of the Sahaja Yogis have achieved in Australia, is called as Nirvikalpa, where the is no doubts. You have no doubts left about Sahaja Yoga, you have no doubts left about yourself. It’s a state, it’s not that by mentally or rationally but it’s a state. Where you see it so clearly, white is white, you don’t have to doubt that whether my eyes are showing white or black, you see. That state is reached is called as Nirvikalpa where the no vikalpa, you just go, move steadily and that’s the best stage where you really grow faster because you’re so steady and that stage must be achieved. So try to achieve that stage through negating things, “Nethi, nethi, vachinay nigamoor,” by saying, “Not this, not this, not this,” and you reach that stage, is very clearly given. You see the trouble is, so many of these books which are so great are never translated, people do not know about them. Now after coming to Sahaja Yoga you will be exposed to them and you will see what truths there are and how Sahaja Yoga verifies it and proves it. Question: What influence are you likely to have on people who live with You who are not realised. What is the realised souls influence in that type of environment? Shri Mataji: You see if you have stones and if you have living trees, stones do not receive anything from the sun but the leaves receive something, isn’t it, they are more sensitive, that’s the difference. Then in Sahaja yoga there’s a possibility that you can convert stones into living beings, can be done. Yes, because they see, you see they see you, they understand the value that you are, gradually, rationally they start understanding then they reach certain conclusions, then they come to Sahaja Yog, then they get realised, it works out that way. But with seekers it’s very different, seekers just jump into it. They do not think about it they just get it. They get it so fast that they don’t think about it, they just they get it. So they are so sensitive, that’s the difference. Question: Can we help our loved ones who do not want to listen to anything, particularly about Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: You see there’s nobody else that you help someone, they are all within yourself. On the contrary, I would say better to have them together who are Sahaja yogis because those who are not will trouble you, it will be a problem, leave them alone, they’ll be all right, they’ll come round. Let them come on their own you cannot force them, they’re loved ones, you’ll change now your priorities, you’ll understand that those who are really loved ones are not really your brothers and sisters. As Christ has said, “Who are my brothers and sisters?” Now we have to ask that question. Because you speak another language, you are a different person, not that you give them up, but they exist. But they haven’t got your awareness so is a different thing all together. But you help them in a way, gradually they see you but if you force them they’ll run away. No use forcing or telling them anything about it but you show your satisfaction and happiness and your growth and others get impressed by it and they just come to you. Question: how can you.. Do You help them? Shri Mataji: Yes, I do. But you should put them out of your minds and say, “Mother, You help. If You try to help, then I’ll leave it to You.”: W: (Question) He can'tunderstand why You say that Christ died for us. Why did He die for us? Shri Mataji: What else could He have done with the stupid people? They crucified Him, He didn’t say, “You come and crucify Me,” did He, you see? They’re stupid, horrible people, donkeys. They didn’t understand Him, stones as they were what to do? They crucified Him, He didn’t ask. But when He was crucified the sins that they committed in crucifying Him were to be forgiven. That’s what it is. He was, what did He do? You see He died because of you because people like you only crucified Him. You represent them. When you are realised then you are different people, then you are resurrected. His message was resurrection not crucifixion but that shows the stupidity of these people, isn’t it. I mean you may do that again I can’t say, there are people. W: Question: Is it possible to exercise love and acceptance when as she says.. You’re judging people as to whether they’re right or wrong. Warren: We are using vibrations. Shri Mataji: I am not judging, you are judging because when you get your vibrations you start judging yourself. You see I am not judging it’s only your own judgment. It’s your own judgment. Are you getting your cool breeze in the hands? No, then let it happen. I’m not judging you it’s you are judging it yourself. All right, then you will know yourself. Just now you are judging that you’re not getting vibrations. Question: Is it true that Indira Gandi is worshiped as a Goddess? Shri Mataji: oh don't, that's all political stuff, you see, Indian people are like that. Warren: that's useless. W: (Question) She’s confused about the fact that You talked about love and acceptance at the beginning but then when peoples names were brought up, we often scoffed at them. Shri Mataji: ah About the gurus? Ah, that’s it. It’s a very important point. That’s very much with you people. You see you have all of you, you see have developed a philosophy where you say that nobody is evil, everything is fine. This is a very good philosophy to work with because you also fit into the thing. That nothing is evil about you also, isn’t it? It happens like that. You remember when Christ was criticising these horrible people they asked Him, “How do You criticise them? They do not criticise You.” Then He said, “Will the devil talk against its own house?” There is a negative force working, very much active and you have to not only scoff but get rid of these things because they are acting as your destroying forces and they destroy you, I see them very clearly and I have to tell you. So love doesn’t mean that I love a snake, will you go and love a snake, a snake must understand first of all. In the same way we have to understand there are evil people, that’s true. That is what is very much in the West, I see, “Oh, you love everyone" is all right. But you don’t love a snake, do you? Go and have, ask snake, “I want to love you.” He’ll just finish you off. So many of you are harmed so much by these people and I have to cure you. You don’t know what I have to go through, such a lot of work to cure you when you are affected by these people. You don’t know how much I’ve worked, morning till evening. This morning I started six o’clock till I came here just ten minutes I got to change My sari and I was here. These are affected by other gurus and things and I have to take it out. I know what harm they have done to you. You have no idea. Question: What are Your objections to chanting and singing the holy scriptures? Shri Mataji: Not at all, who told you I am, I’m not but you must understand that without understanding what chanting is needed, it’s like a medicine. Chanting is a mantra. Mantra means a thing that acts as a sound to correct a particular thing within you, all right. It’s you can say sound therapy, all right. Now you have to know what medicine is needed for which charka, also you must know where is the problem with you, or with anybody else. I mean it would be chanting at random means sometimes it would be sort of an indiscriminate drinking of all the medicines, you see. Taking all the medicines bottles into your stomach emptying them without understanding. We do chant but we know where to chant, what. You see, not indiscriminate, just like that. And it’s very dangerous because when you go on chanting say, Rama’s name or Krishna’s name. Now when you say Krishna’s name, Krishna is here, if your Kundalini has not reached there up to this point if you take Krishna’s name it’s very, very annoying for Krishna Himself and He recedes, sleeps off. He freezes sometimes and by that you develop problems of the chakras and sometimes you develop throat cancer, it’s very serious. So first, you must know where is your Kundalini, where it has gone, where it has stopped. Then you should know what is the problem, then you must know what exactly is the chanting to be used, all right, and then cure that part. You see so it’s a big science, which has to be understood in Sahaja Yoga, it’s not at random. You are suffering from whatever trouble you are suffering from, you must know first of all. See many people who are Christians catch on Agnya I told you, they do, because it’s unauthorised. Christ, we treat Him as if I don’t know what, some passion fruit hanging in a tree. Do we know who He is? There is a protocol, great protocol. Even Brahma, Vishnu Mahesh could not reach Him. So for us because we think we are born among Christian families and because the church has given us a certificate so called do you think we are authorised to chant His name all the time and trouble Him? And what do we ask? Do we ask for our spirits? Do we ask to give our realisation? Do we ask that we have to be born again? No, what do we ask? Something nonsensical. Question: What is Your opinion about practicing spiritualists. Shri Mataji: Very dangerous, never go near them. Never touch them even with a barge pole, horrible things they are. You see it is very simple to understand that if you get connected with any area what so ever, and somebody is connected to that area you are exposed to that and there can be any indiscriminate aggression on you from that area. You would not know who’s coming on you. So never go near them. May be you want to talk to your father say, whose dead, you want to talk to him. Why? Release him, free him, why do you want to talk to him? Now let him be alone, let him decide for himself what he wants to do. Why do you want him to hang around? It’s too much, it’s too much of a load. Then you want to, when you use some medium for that you do not know he might get somebody else. It’s very dangerous for your children also, so many children have died with this kind of a thing. I mean you develop especially cancer, this multiple sclerosis or anything like that. All these come from spiritualists. These are all spiritualists, these gurus are spiritualists only. They’ll believe is spirits, they’ll handle the spirits they’re working out, these are very dangerous things I may be able to tell you some time how they work it out and how they master it. It’s very dangerous. They’re like vampires, what you call it, vampires. More surprising is that there are so many things in English language, which we don’t have, like witchcraft and the witches were sort of punished, all sorts of things are there. In England, they talk of all these things supernatural and all this but still I don’t know how they go into it. Warren: somebody asked me a question on the way up. Is it wrong to be a medium? This relates to the previous question, so perhaps you could answer that Mother? Shri Mataji: Oh God, I need not tell, it’s very, very wrong to play into the hands of the spirits. You are enslaved completely; you don’t know what happens to you. Horrible, it creates problems absolutely you’re an abnormal personality. Never do it. It’s sinful, sinful. If you accept My words really it’s horrible, never do that. Question: What is the difference between western spirituality and eastern spirituality? Shri Mataji: Now this word spirituality means by these spiritualists you mean? Warren: No. Philosophy. Shri Mataji: Is just the same, spirit is just the same. Is universal, there is no difference at all, I do not find any difference. Spirituality means the spirit that is the Atma, you mean the spirit that is the Atma, the one.... Question: I’m talking more about the quest for the spirit. W: search for the spirit Shri Mataji: Search is just the same. But Indians you see now, modern Indians are sort of developing you see, they have to go to that height to see where you have landed yourself. See they can short circuit, they can short circuit if they want but if they want they may have to go to various types of problems you had with that affluence and they may come back. But it is better to short circuit it I tell them. While yours is a problem so easy because you have discovered now that matter is not sufficient. Matter doesn’t give us joy, no use running after matter. But still some of them are running after sex you see and all that. They have to finish another circuit, once they are over with that also then things will be better. But in all this kind of a quest you have lost something indefinitely, no doubt. Going through the matter, going through the sex and going through the power all these trips you see you have lost something, which requires correction. While Indians if they understand with their wisdom they better short circuit this, need not go into plastics and nylons. You see I have to carry nylon saris from England for Indians while they have their silks, they want to wear nylon. So this is the difference in the basic development. But Indians if they take to Sahaja Yoga they’re very good and easy, especially Indian villagers are excellent. They don’t understand all this they have no mental problems you see. I don’t have to discuss with them all these things, they have not gone into all this nonsense so they suddenly become beautiful fruits, that’s all. So this is the difference of little degrees I would say that you are gone to other extreme and you still have to move to that extreme or they may finish off and then we can achieve results. But your quest is much ardent, very sincere and truth. One more thing I always felt and today also I feel that really some great souls are born in the west, that’s why is such a sincere desire, very sincere in their desire. Indians first they come to Me for curing, if not for curing, for getting children ,if not for that for jobs or money all sorts of thing they come up. Or they’ll say, “My mother is sick, my father is sick, my brother is this,” all this goes on. But I have met many, many seekers in the west who just want realisation, very beautiful people no doubt. But you have lost something in your seeking, no doubt, doesn’t matter. Kundalini is that ardent desire within you, which works it out. W: Question: It seems as though the simpler the life we lead the better we are, it is much easier for us. We get away from thinking and so on. Shri Mataji: I agree is a good idea of simplicity but is a, you must understand that also very clearly because we had somebody who was a hippy I should say. He was a real hippy, such big grown, he had grown hair up to this much and all that. He came to Me and scarcely wearing anything in that horrible English cold you see. I said, “What are you doing to yourself why don’t you clad your self properly into proper clothes and better cover yourself,” and I was really didn’t understand him. I said, “You are not living in Africa why are you dressed up like this, it’s like a primitive dress.” He said, “I want to be primitive.”I said, “You cannot by dressing up. Your brain is so over developed, how can you be primitive.” You see by dressing up something do you become that. I mean it’s just a drama you are playing with yourself, you do not become primitive. This is the point is that and then the problem is the brain is thinking the same way, that the same rate and everything the same, only by changing is something that is not good because you should accept as you are. Why to do something like that? But simpler life means this way, that’s another extreme. But you see too much of formality like having a tail coat or wearing morning dress, grey suit and then having a particular type of a glass for a thing and all that nonsense you see, you better finish off. That’s bit too much going too far with it and also caring for all these small, small things like matter that’s something that’s grown in you. Preservation of horrible things and useless things and all that it’s [really?]. And then to think, think, think, think about everything, sit down and think how miserable I am and when there is no misery you just sit down and make miseries by thinking. I don’t find any thing miserable here, what is there? You see in India these people where there people are so happy, chirping just like birds enjoying themselves. They don’t have all the things that you have. So you see to get out of materialism is a better idea, to say that a simpler life means, but you must live beautifully. Beautiful doesn’t mean that you should have ten types of things and all that. Beautifully means you should not be as a morbid stinking, you see. Clean and beautiful you can make beauty out of the soil anything; with love, you can do anything. So you see it’s alright I mean whatever way you dress up or anything makes no difference that’s what I’m trying to say. That it is the inner thing that has to change not the outer. Again the Sahaja Yoga is this.

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1981-03-30 Anahatha Chakra - Shri Lalita - Shri Chakra (Public Program ) You want to ask a question which you like to ask. Seeker: [Unclear conversation]Sahaja Yogi: Hare Krishna.Shri Mataji: Are you Hare Krishna? I ‘ll talk about Krishna, then we’ll talk about Krishna.Seeker: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Swati, you don’t want?Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear]Shri Mataji: What’s he saying?Sahaja Yogi: He wants to ask me a question, Mother, because I was doing the program.Shri Mataji: You should not be aggressive like that, all right?Seeker: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: You can do it later on. What is there to be so aggressive? Did you come here to quarrel?Seeker: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: No, no why have you come here to tell your things. You have come here to quarrel.Seeker: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: [Inaudible] Be quiet, all right? Have some patience. You see, when you go to other gurus you don’t ask any questions, nothing, you go headlong. You shave up your heads, do what they tell you. There’s no enquiry for them, not a question, nothing. Whatever they say, you obey them, pay them money. Just obey them blindly. Whenever you come to Mother, please don’t try to get this – that’s wrong. Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: That’s true, I know. – Why do you want to quarrel? You have come to quarrel. Seeker: [Inaudible] I do Ananya.Shri Mataji: What is he?Lady: He’s probably a Sahaja Yogi.Shri Mataji: Hum?Seeker: Sahaja Yogi. Sahaja means [inaudible]. He teaches the people [Unclear] Shri Mataji: I have never heard of follows-up. [Unsure] What are you doing [unclear]? Have you got your? He’s [inaudible] nothing wrong. He has his own ideas too.Seeker: [Inaudible]. Shri Mataji: No, no, don’t fight. You see, the minimum you are silent, have started spoiling everybody’s mood You take another hall on hire and you give a lecture. That’s a better idea. And you’ll be happy and I ‘ll be very happy if you can do that. All right?Alright, better do it.This is what is called parasite.[Laughter] Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible][Shri Mataji burst into laugh][Applause] Shri Mataji: He was drunk![Unclear conversation]He was just drunk, I think. It’s all right, don’t worry.Forget it, forget it. Let it be. Better sit down all of you. Now, I’ll tell you. One had all types of experiences every next day. Sahaja Yoga has an open door for everyone. All of you can come in. Some of you, actually, do not deserve even to come but you are allowed to come in. You do not want your Self-realization but you have come here, I don’t know for what. But it’s all right, it’s a Mother’s house. You all could be here.But as a Mother, I have to tell you one thing – a very simple thing that you must do all justice to yourself. In all earnest to yourself, you better get your Realization. If you do not get your Realization, you’ll have lots of problems, lots of sufferings later on which may come out as anything: physical, emotional, mental, spiritual but last of all, they’ll be sorted out into something else. So, I have to request you, that be patient with yourself. As I love you, you have to love yourself. I see that beauty, that sparkling beautiful Spirit which is clouded by your [inaudible] cloud, any sins, problems. But I see that sparkling spark transparent. That’s why, I’m extremely patient.You will know your beauty also if you are little patient with yourself and try to understand how to be that spark That is what you are. You are lost, you have to find it. That is very important for life; That is the evolutionary process of human-beings. And those who do not accept their Spirit – I do not want to say to frighten you- but only thing is, this is the Last Judgment. You won’t have another chance. So, please, try to get your Realization established. If you think, coming to my lecture, you’ll have more knowledge about chakras and things like that. That is not going to help you neither help Me. I’m not here to show off any knowledge or to sort of, dominate people in any way, or to start a new cult or religion or anything like that. I’m here to give you what you have, just that is hidden from you, that you have not yet felt. That’s yours, it’s your own right that is sahaja – born with you, spontaneous, the living force of Kundalini, which is the Holy Ghost actually reflected within you, has to do it and that’s what is important, absolutely wise, absolutely logic. But we are not yet so equipped to understand our estimation.We have no self-estimation of any kind, we are not able to understand what we are. It’s better to get your Self-realization and to understand your own values. This is something so valuable that no words can really prove it. Now today, we are yet to be with a very interesting – is it all right, can you hear Me?– a very interesting chakra, called as heart chakra, which is called as Anahata chakra. Though it is not placed on the heart, it is placed very much behind the sternum bone in the spinal cord. In the childhood, this center manifests the power in the sternum bone and creates the antibodies. Now this center is governed by the Goddess, who is called as Jagadamba – meaning the Mother of the Universe, who gives a sense of security within us. She resides in this center and manifests, till the age of twelve years, Her warriors called as antibodies. Doctors call it as antibodies. After twelve years, these antibodies go into circulation and empty the sternum bone. But whenever there is a problem of insecurity, the sternum bone starts going up and down and you start feeling [inaudible] within you. This is a very, very important, extremely important center within us. If you have less antibodies, then we can develop lots of problems of insecurity even if we have imaginary hallucinations or sometimes actual possessions, this center can go out in a very funny way and you may develop diseases like Asthma [unclear]. But actually, with this central one, the center – there are three chakras you can see there, so the central one gives you the sense of insecurity specially to women will cause cancer of the breast. Breast cancer is caused by insecurity among women. Mostly women who are insecure do not say that they are insecure. Supposing the husband is a wayward person and he is having relations with other women or she is suspicious about the relationship like that then she may develop this trouble within her and she may not tell the doctor, doctor would not know and breast cancer can be caused with [unclear] First of all, a woman is a mother, mother of your child. And if her security as a mother is challenged, then she develops this horrible disease called as breast cancer, which is very common these days among women. Men do not understand that women are very sensitive things. They are, of course, extremely evolved; they can bear much more than men can seldom a woman gets a heart attack. They are quite streaky, means if there is an outside attack on them. But they can’t bear their husbands to give them insecurities of this kind. Now you can understand a woman who is insecure like that, she may not say it, she may not complain, she may not also show it. But in her, there is an insecurity developing which results in the creation of breast cancer. There are many breast diseases are developed by these and also some of the lung diseases are also developed with this insecurity. In addition to that, those people who suffer from cold too much, and those who get exposed to pneumonia or, you can say, even people who go to closed places like cinemas, those places where there is not sufficient air for them to breathe, they develop this trouble in this area very much and more on the left-side of this chakra which is called as the Left Anahata. Now the Left Anahata is the Mother, is your mother. If there is a problem with your mother – supposing your mother has died very early in life – you have had no motherhood in your childhood. If there has been a problem with your mother, then this left-side chakra catches and it goes hand in hand with heart. So, in this inner if you get a catch, then you must nourish the left-side chakra which is catching, it can be heart or can be this left-side chakra. So, you can ask the patient, I mean I know that it is hard for you to discriminate. If you ask the patient, “Are you suffering from any insecurity from your mother? What about your mother?” and if you find that there is a problem with the mother-[Somebody is interrupting Shri Mataji]There are such destructive people always. It’s so common, doesn’t matter. It’s all right. You see, they are the losers, why should you worry? Now, if there is any destruction of any such feelings of motherhood within you, then this chakra gets spoiled and you can develop diseases like tuberculosis or could be any such diseases that has to do with your left hand. And also, it affects in a way the heart organ. On the right-hand side, there’s a very, very important chakra called as the chakra of the Shri Rama. Now, Shri Rama was an incarnation of this Vishnu, the One who’s on the Nabhi chakra, who came as the eighth incarnation on this earth and – no sorry not eighth. He was the seventh incarnation and he – there’re ten incarnations out of which he was the seventh – and he came on this earth and he didn’t in any way profess or say that he was the incarnation of Vishnu. He, that’s why he moved from the central path to the right path. He kept himself there. Now this Shri Rama’s center is very important because Shri Rama was a perfect human being ‘Maryada Purshottama’. He dealed with, or we can say, he created the boundaries in which a human being should live as a king, as a husband, as a father and that’s why this is the center of the father. If you have failed as a father, if your son has no feelings for you or maybe, that your father has not been good to you. Or if you have done some harm to your child, then this center catches. Now, there was a boy, who came to Me, quite young and always this center used to catch. I asked him, “How is it this center is catching?” His right heart. “Because you have a good father and everything is all right”. Then he confessed to Me that, “Mother, I must confess to You that I was having a relationship with a woman and she conceived. And we both decided to have an abortion”. And that’s why here, his center was catching. Now the very age-old asthma could be with this. Very age-old asthmas which people have, could be because their father might have died very early in age. Now such fathers, who die very early, feel that their children are insecure. So, they hover around the children. If you can tell your father that, “I’m all right, don’t worry about me, you take your birth,” you’ll be amazed your asthmas can be cured. We had a Governor of Kashmir, who was a friend of my husband, a very senior man, he wanted to see Me. In India people have a different style of behaviour towards saints. We never behave in this arrogant manner as you see here – never. Even the President of India would stand for a saint. And he, though he was the governor, we were his guests. After all, my husband was an officer much junior with him in age. But he came walking to our guest house and he said, “Today I’ve come to see a saint and not Mr Srivastava”.And he sat down. He said, “I’ve come to take your blessings because I’m having asthma for twenty-five years.” I said, “All right.” Then I asked him about his father, “When did his father die?” He said, “About twenty-five years back. That time, I was very young, not yet employed, my father was very much worried about me and he died.” I said, “All right, will you tell your father that, “You take your birth again.” He’s a very noble man, very well educated. It’s only that he was a very clever man. And he said, “All right,” because he was suffering too much. Since that day, he never got an attack from asthma – it’s the truth. It’s very simple to cure anorexia – another disease that you have. Somehow, I wanted to tell you the truth for science but then I’ll tell you about this anorexia [unsure]. Anorexia is also caused by emotional disturbances. For example, a girl’s father dies and she cannot retain this phenomena. And she feels for the father and the father also feels for her. And this mutual feeling brings the father, as a spirit, around her. And then she cannot eat. You see, she feels extremely restless, she carrying on with that feeling. She just cannot eat; whatever she may try she cannot eat.In London, one doctor, once experimented on this and he said, “All right, we’ll do the last rites of your father.” Just imagine it! He said, “Let’s try,” and she started eating. In the same way, if you can tell your father that, “I’m all right.” When you tell this to someone, they start crying because it is too much to say to your father who was so close to you, suddenly died. And they feel very emotional about it. But once they cry it out and they say it, these things get corrected. Asthma, many times, can be cured by this sentence. But there can be a combination of asthma which I called- now, I’ve never told you about the ‘granthis’. When the two centers meet, there are auras of every chakra. And when they meet a granthi is formed- ‘granthi’ means a knot. A knot is formed. And when the knot is formed, when you take the name of a Deity, you have to take the name in such a manner that you put those two deities together. Today I had a boy who had a very bad cough for the last two months. And they did not know what is the reason for it. When we judged him, we just found there Agnya, this chakra, and [inaudible]. When we put them together and gave it a bandhan, we got catches. When we tried on both the chakras, it was better. Because if you treat one, the disease goes to another. And again, when you brought your attention to another, it comes back. So, it is better to attach both of them together. There’s a method, a technique by which you can do it after Realization. All these things are to be learnt and these granthis can be completely opened out. And you can really cure the person of these, so called, physical problems which are really emotional. In a society where people do not understand how human beings are sensitive, how they are delicate, how they are to be treated and that they are the most delicate things, people become extremely aggressive and their aggression can be very subtle, can be very untrue. They may appear to be extremely beautiful but can be very injurious and can be very, very, I would say, extremely disturbing. So many aggressive characters of women and men have destroyed their children, they have destroyed themselves. One has to understand that all such aggressions end up building problems in the society. Insecurities lead you to problems and problems. Like the wife has a insecurity to the husband. Now if husband has the insecurity of the woman, then what happens, they go into these funny relationships with men. When they find the women are so untrusting, so dominating, then they try to have these funny relations, just as you see [unsure]. If they meet women who are kind to them and do not try to dominate too much, they’re sometimes dominating in the name of a superiority of it [unsure]. Very much. So, the man can develop in his own way as a man and a woman can develop in his own way- in her own way as a woman. But when they try to be a man, then the insecurities develop and that’s how we have so many combinations which are psychological in nature. This was discussed by Freud, to begin with. But as I can see, he was very half way. He could not see through that there is not only the psyche that we have. We have also another side which is called as ego within us. So, he said, “You’d better de-condition yourself”. There’s no end to it! And once you start de-conditioning yourself – many gurus are doing that way: they say, “You must de-condition yourself.” By de-conditioning yourself you do not know that you really develop your ego which is, in a way, a more difficult thing to conquer or to recover. This ego within us doesn’t trouble us, it doesn’t. It may give you success, it can give you lots of things: it troubles others. Like Hitler never thought how he was torturing other people. And if you get a superego, then you get a pain, you don’t like it, so you want to give it up. But if you have the ego, you just enjoy this ‘I’ ness. Now, what is that nice thing? This ‘I’ is the one which is the ego. Now when the Realization takes place, when the Kundalini rises, it rises in the center and the power of Kundalini spreads on the sides. In the center is the power of the Mother of the universe. And once you know that the Mother of the universe is your mother also – it’s not the knowledge rationally but it happens to you. So, you feel that security within you. All your emotional things stabilize and you become really stabilized into yourself. And you start feeling yourself and staying with yourself, you feel your own glory and your own importance as a human being, as a Sahaja Yogi, as a Realized soul. Then you change your role completely. You are no more afraid nor fearless. The fear of the unknown goes away. You become absolutely in the center: neither you aggress nor you take aggression. It’s a very beautiful relationship that exists. For example, if somebody tries to aggress you, you just see the drama. If somebody tries to be extremely humble with you, you see the drama. The whole thing comes to you as a drama. You’re never disturbed with all these things. And you must know that these ups and downs are always there to create a variety. This center is the most important center from one point of view. That all our emotional problems come from this center and the way we treat the chakras, the way you can handle each other - we are not at all aware that human-beings are even delicate, that the delicateness flower like this is extremely there. Whatever you try to do to a human-being, know he has a very deep root. These roots as a result of bearing up become big to horrible weapons within us and when you come across somebody whom you can dominate and trouble, you start hurting that person. You use hurting language hurting others. You cannot enjoy another person but when realization takes place, you become so fruitful that you enjoy the security of another person. After realization, a person who is realized, never possesses because a person who is realized has felt the freedom and has divided the freedom so he never tries to dominate another person. This is a very, very great disadvantage in sahaja yog that people who are [UNCLEAR] are very nasty, they can be horrible, they are very troublesome and sometimes they really ruin themselves but because those who are realized souls cannot dominate them, they just watch and see who are dominating. If they could do it, immediately such a person will feel that hundreds of slaps coming up from waves but we face those who are real today, also so many of them, and watching you and are sitting down here. I also see what's happening but they watch and see what others are doing, what harm they are doing and how they are pulling, they just note it down. Of course, this is not so true, that those which are bringing hurdles and inconvenience in the work of God ultimately are taken away from the Grace of God. God is very forgiving, no doubt, He forgives first mistake [UNCLEAR] but after some time He also punishes you. He punishes you so badly that you are amazed how He has [UNCLEAR] you. This center, to keep it clean and nice, one thing you must know, that there is nothing to fear. God Almighty who has created you, He's so powerful that there is nothing to fear. 23rd Psalm which we read [UNCLEAR] what He says. I would say, that is the mantra for this center. There is nothing to fear in this world but actually what happens, that if we are egoistical, we are frightened because we know we are egoistical and somebody is going to hurt us. It is most [UNCLEAR] that kind of a fear comes in that we have done some harm so we are frightened that this is going to happen. Moreover, when you indulge into things like [UNCLEAR] or strong [UNCLEAR] as you call them [UNCLEAR] and drugs and things they take you to superego. The superego takes you to Collective Subconscious and you get attacked by the Collective Subconscious on and when you are attacked then you get a very different personality which is [UNCLEAR], who doesn't want to say anything, which keeps quiet, which runs away, [UNCLEAR] shouts and such people are very depressive. They become absolutely depressing, extremely depressed and sometimes they lose their jobs, they cannot work, they cannot pay attention. These people have to then go to the right side to give a balance [UNCLEAR] - it's to raise the right side of his being. To give them a balance we have to raise the right side, not the left side. And once you raise the right side, you must know you are raising Shri Ram. I do not know if you have read the life of Shri Ram, who was the [UNCLEAR] king and he sacrificed his own wife just to keep the public opinion alright. That was the greatest [UNCLEAR] thing but you have seen people that for their own children they sacrifice the whole country. There are people who sacrificed their whole country for their wives while he's the man who sacrificed his wife for the whole country and the whole story is so good to know that the wife had to go and deliver the children in a ashram of a very big saint known as Valmiki. Now these two children were born and when Rama came to call her she went to and disappeared into the Mother Earth. After that it is said, these two children who were Luv and Kush they went [UNCLEAR] two ends of a [UNCLEAR] because they were kids They decided not to stay in India that can the Himalayas [UNCLEAR] and they decided to disappear in the North. So Luv went towards the [UNCLEAR] side and Kush went to the left side. The left side was China that's why the Russians are called as 'Slav' - Luv becomes 'Slav' and Chinese are called as [UNCLEAR] Better go and tell them that the descendants of two twin brothers who were children of Sitaji and why should they fight among themselves. Chinese and Russian people, they're Slavs and [UNCLEAR] Rama's kingdom was the kingdom of great harmony and great [UNCLEAR]. A king has to be a benevolent king. He has not to use his power to destroy or to make people insecure. If you make even one person insecured, it is sin and a king can make thousands of people insecured by his terrorism or his absurd ideas about [UNCLEAR] Rama's life was a message, was so ideal. Whatever problem he had, he used to call his ministers and would talk to them, ask them what are the problems and then he would tell them, "Alright, if you think these are the problems then," he would say that, "It is better to go to some saint and ask for their advice." And all his ministers had to go to some saint and ask their advice [UNCLEAR]. Saints have the same opinion, all of them, on any country because they are [UNCLEAR] vibrated awareness. In vibratory awareness there's only Absolute Truth and that's how he saw to it that through these saints he could manage them to lead a life of complete harmony and understanding. His own life He spent like a message He would walk without shoes and he sacrificed everything that is meant for [UNCLEAR] And in the end he wanted to have a real faith for [UNCLEAR] of Ashwamedha yAgnya [UNCLEAR] is a [UNCLEAR] in which you put a horse and you follow the horse and wherever the horse goes, you fight the folks which are trying to capture it.. And those horses, whichever country they went, they were not captured, were regarded as the part of the Kingdom of Shri Rama. So this horse went to many countries and there at that time they had to do a great [UNCLEAR] worship of the fire. While he had no wife alongside the day and he said, "I will not have this, if I have to have my wife, I cannot have." So the people said that, "If you can make a statue of your wife, we can have this whole thing done and the puja can be performed." So he made a golden image of Sitaji and tried the worshipping done. It is hard to get a husband of Rama's style; He's an ideal husband. Such a loving husband, He even in separation, He never thought of any other woman just of his wife. He enjoyed the separation of his wife and lead a life of a sage. His wife too, so dedicated to him, was so upset, She thinks that He's going to have this yAgnya, that He may get married again - She was jealous but then she discovered that He made a beautiful image of Her. Sometimes, when they are women, they are jealous but jealousy is not such a bad thing. Jealousy is the controlling factor by which men or women can control the licentiouness of each other. Jealousy is God's gift but it should not go too far. It should be open jealousy and it should be enjoyed. It is in lots of poems of Krishna and Rama - you will hear the jealousy of their wives and how once Radha was so jealous of the flute that Krishna used to use, that She asked Him, "What do You mean by holding this flute all the time to Your lips? What is so special about her?" So Krishna said, "Alright, if You are so jealous, go and ask Her. [UNCLEAR - ONLY?] ask the flute." So she went to the flute and She said, "What is so special about this, how you are all the time uh.. at the lips of My beloved?" She said, "See [UNCLEAR] this." Something very simple and she smiled. She said, "What is your speciality, you have to tell?" She said, "My speciality is that I have no speciality. I've become a hollow person. He flows through me and melody is created and people say that 'Is the flute that is playing.' It's Krishna who's playing, I just see the flow of that. That flow of that energy that you people use it, I see that and I smile at people who say that [UNCLEAR]. I've become [UNCLEAR], I've become a hollow personality." This is what one of the beautiful stories of jealousy is. So, I would not say that jealousy of the worst type, where you may [UNCLEAR] husband is but a sweet jealousy is a very nice thing and a sweet teasing is also very nice thing. Actually in relationship, we have to develop very sweet uh.. connections with each other. Like a, today I was talking to somebody who's brother-in-law is very hot-tempered or something like that and all that. I said, "Very good idea. So you are the one who can take it down his temper because you are his brother -in-law." Said, "How?" I said, "You should teach them sometimes and take his side and do all these tricks and you'll see how he'll manage." That's a very good relationship but this training you do not have in the Western life While we have quite a lot because we live in a joint family, so we know what is our relationship and how to do and how to enjoy each other and how to make fun of these small, small things so we are always laughing and enjoying ourselves, our relationships instead of just finding faults, "She came very late, she banged the door so loudly, she should have known to sleep on here, why didn't she do that," - all these [UNCLEAR] This is how we all can live together if you see to the sweet things but if you go too much [UNCLEAR] meticulous things and to all these nonsensical problems that you have, it is going to be a headache What you need, these small, small things sponsor relationships. Now the Mother of the Universe is the one that is [UNCLEAR - NAMED?] with one thousand names; She has one thousand names and She has got two centers on to which She acts - on the right side is called as the Shri Chakra on the left side is called as the Lalita Chakra and the book that has one thousand names is called as Lalita Sahastranama. All these thousand names, can imagine, how many powers She has - She has thousand hands and with these thousand hands She looks after. So what is there to be afraid of? When there is Yogmaya, who is so powerful and She has thousand powers what is there to be afraid of and when She loves you so much? On one side She has the light on the side of a child. Who can tell you walk so quietly, so nicely without getting disturbed at all. I can see, that it is She who is going to be [UNCLEAR - WORKING?] who act. Only thing, they must feel Her presence in your chakra and establish Her there. This is what is the central chakra is very important within us. [ASIDE - Should I (UNCLEAR)? Should we?] While I'm not saying, there is one chakra more. First of all, before doing Vishuddhi, I've to tell you the imbalances of this chakra, first of all and then you'll understand what is to be done. The imbalances that come in this chakras, first of all, is when you are extremely emotional. Very emotional people there are. At the slightest they'll cry, they're very easily [UNCLEAR] out but whatever you may say, first thing you do is to use your water power and upset everyone; You see, the children are upset, the husband is upset with your water power and the once it starts, it doesn't stop. Emotional people, when they go too much with their emotional behaviour they do not get epileptic so much as they get, what you call hysteric and this hysteria spreads from one to another because people see that those who are distressed are affected with their hysteria. Once they become hysteric, other people start thinking, "Oh, God, just look at her!" She's hysteric so everybody going to her, is kind to her and that is how she also picks up from another hysteric woman and starts being hysteric but actually, it is a possession that comes to you and you become hysteric. Now, this hysteria is to treated in a very simple way. First of all, she is to be told that, "We don't believe in hysteria, [UNCLEAR], we are not bothered. You have your hysteria well it is not good for us." It is to be neglected. If you neglect such a person will be much better or if she shouts or screams anything, you lock her up in the house you go out and come back. You'll find, after some time she'll not have hysterias. But if it really due to some possession, then you have to give her a regular treatment of sahaja yoga by which she can remove the possession. So that there are two types of hysterics one is the real - when a person is really caught up and is possessed and is feeling oppressed and the another kind is the one which is just a show because people are there, who are insincere type and they try to show off. You see, like many you'll find. Now the gentleman here was just nothing but a show off. There was no need for him to be so upset, nobody said anything to him in particular, nothing was wrong, he's not here to fight with Me - nothing - but he's just a show off. And this kind of a quality comes in when you are a show off, so it's best is, to show to such a person that you do not care for the show off. Once you do that, you'll be amazed that it works out wonders and people who are suffering from all these troubles get cured but there are people who are really sick and hard to find some - a very simple method. That a person who is suffering from this kind of a show off thing, if you put anything obnoxious near the nose of such a person he just forgets, he can't bear it, you see. He forgets about his uh.. tantrums. All these tantrums are just forgotten. So in India, is a very funny thing they do is to rub your shoe and put it to the nose of the person and can put anything else. Also sometimes they put a little onion which is not [UNCLEAR] to the nose of the person and then the person just becomes quite normal. But if it is a real, real hysteric, you see, then of course, you have to get it treated by sahaja yoga. I've known one lady was going to some guru who really raped her and she didn't know she was raped but sort of in unconscious state and she was thinking that she was raped and all that and she became pregnant and then she had to get her abortion and all that - horrible fellow he was! He's still going very strong making lots of money and this woman since then became hysteric sort and she used to get into terrible hysteria so much so that when her husband had to take her to Scotland then [UNCLEAR] boarding house where he was looking after, she used to scream like mad and she used to go into a tantrum where her neck would go on one side and her hands would go like that; It was terrible. Worse that her epileptic mood would go on for 3-4 hours. Thank God she came to sahaja yoga and she got cured. - What are you doing? - I'm drawing [UNCLEAR] - Why don't you give an extraordinary affair? I'm here to make you extraordinary. [UNCLEAR] Oh, it's alright but I think you better be extraordinary so I also can be when I… alright? Alright, finish it soon and you better have it. Now, this one is one of the hysterias, as I told you, on the left hand side and a right hand side, when a person is, say, in the power, he becomes the king and he starts shouting out - he's not [UNCLEAR], he's a father. He has to behave like a father and a father has to sacrifice. He has to go on sacrificing for his children. He has to give love to his children. Now, a father will never have a [UNCLEAR - SALARY?] for car and a beautiful house and the children starving. A, any king or any woman who does that, is not a father. If he is the father, then he is the benevolent king and such a king, we should all pray that we should have, within ourselves. Is important that we should have such a king who sacrifices everything for the sake of his subjects and what a character! A king, who has a licentious life, who kills seven wives and does all such nonsensical things how can you, because unless and until you have a have a character of your own, you have your own principles, unless and until you are an ideal king, how can you rule people and what can you give them except for licentiousness and permissiveness. I was surprised that, now in England all of them are trying to follow this king who kills seven wives. You see, either the wives are killing the husbands and the husbands are killing the wives and once I asked, "Why do you do like this?" "Our kings did it and now we are democratic, so we can also do it." - they have all become kings now. If you have to become a king, you have to be a king like Rama who loves his wife, cared for [UNCLEAR], above all, His care for His people, His subjects; Nothing was more important than the people whom He governed - that is what it is. But when this happens, you'll find the wives had escorted in most of the [UNCLEAR], like his son they always gets caught up because they think, "Oh, we're great!" You see, their nose is up like that, they go in a big car, they have no time to look at any one - they're supposed to be public servants but they behave as if they are the owners of public properties and public. Specially in developing countries like India, they indulge into horrible things like bribery, corruption and all those things and are least bothered about every corruption leads to [UNCLEAR] damage because they do not believe, that God Almighty the Great, is our Father and when our Father is there, so great, He's going to look after us. Why should we do all these injurious things to ourselves. One [UNCLEAR - MALADY?] can kill thousands of people. If a person takes a bribe while building a bridge, the bridge is weak and when the car is passing over it, one, ten, hundred, thousand people can be killed. For taking a little money how much we do harm to others. Now, one side is the sin against the father - that not to believe that he looks after our yoga and kshema, both, He's the one who looks after all our material well-being. For that we should love [UNCLEAR] at least that is all the developing countries [UNCLEAR - ITSELF?]. The countries who are developed, who have money, who do not have insecurities from money - what they are doing? They are having the another side - is the sin against the mother. They are intruding the security of the family while making the wives suffer of the insecurity or making the husband suffer of the insecurity, making the children suffer of the insecurity; The whole places security is insecure. The women also have seen, when they're divorced, they start doing very dirty things, filthy. They become prostitutes - actually they are prostitutes. Yes, what is the difference between the good woman and a prostitute is this much today, that one does it with willingness and the other says that she doesn't do with willingness. Whatever you may call it, it's a very wrong thing and for a woman, it's killing; It's absolutely killing because woman's chastity keeps the whole earth moving. Her chastity is the most important thing. If a woman doesn't have a chastity, then I don't know what's going to happen to that earthly, that earth - it's horrible. All kinds of [UNCLEAR] takes place, the Mother Earth is accidently rolling with agony. She can't bear her daughters being slaughtered like this for the sake of emotional blackmail or some sort of a thing like this. Women must understand they owe a responsibility to the whole society. If men are responsible for economics and politics, women are responsible for social life. They have to get, they have to stand on their own feet and know that they are women and their chastity is the most precious thing. Now, in a country like India, where [UNCLEAR] in poverty, but women's chastity is the fulfilment extremely [UNCLEAR], I mean, you can't think of what you have even. In the olden days, we had a Muslim queen. Her name was Noor Jahan. She was first an ordinary woman and she went to the king's palace and met Jahangir, who was a prince and she was a very beautiful and innocent girl and he fell in love with her and he wanted to marry her but the king didn't like. He said, "No, she must be from a royal family." He married her to one Shera Afghan of Bengal and sent her. This lady became a devoted wife to her husband and lived very happily. But when Akbar died, this, this Salim her, I should say, her lover became the king called as Jahangir and by mistake her husband was killed by the armies of Jahangir and this upset her very much. Then she was brought to Delhi and she went and told Jahangir that she cannot have him. "You have killed my husband, I'll never see your face, you cannot touch me." He was the Emperor of India. This woman said, "You dare not touch me, I've nothing to…" - see the character of the woman. And then he became very sick. He was also a very good husband and a lover, I should say. Became very sick, he couldn't live without her and the mother was a lady called as Jodhabai - she was a Hindu lady whom Akbar had married, so Jodhabai, mother was very sorry for the son and when the doctor said that, "This girl has to be brought today otherwise this fellow is going to die perhaps," so he said, "You must arrange somehow." So this queen, the mother queen, went as an ordinary maid-servant to this girl and worked with her as a maid-servant. So this girl was sick and she said, "What do you want?" She said, "Will you give me if I ask for it?" She said, "Yes, if I can give you, I will give you." So he asked, she, this old lady asked her, "Will you marry my son?" She was willing to marry the son of a maid-servant but was not willing to marry this Emperor, whom she had loved for some more time with the idea that she had killed the husband and when, when she discovered that the son was nobody else but Jahangir and she was married to him and she became a very brave queen, Noor Jahan; Noor Jahan means the light of the world. Like that, we have had many, many stories in India because the character of a woman [UNCLEAR - SHINES?] and such a power of [UNCLEAR] that even Krishna and Rama and the greatest of greatest people were afraid of such women who had [UNCLEAR]. If you have to have real powers, then you should be really dedicated and very pure chaste women. You'll be amazed, every word you say will become and you'll be such a powerful woman that nobody can even touch you. It's a tremendous power of which I'll give you one another example how the women of India behave towards their chastity. Uh.. we had a lady called Padmini, very beautiful queen and once uh.. a king, a emperor or something, he heard - not yet an emperor but he was trying to make [UNCLEAR - HIM ONE?] - he heard about the beauty and he said that, "Oh, I must see this lady otherwise if she does not agree, I will attack." So all the people said, "No, we'll not allow our queen to be demonstrated like that." So she said, "Alright, I don't want my country to be attacked, so it's alright, he can see me in a mirror, doesn't matter." So she stood in a mirror and he saw her and then he again became very mad after her. He said, "No, I must have her as my wife." And he came with all his army and surrounded their fort and sent word that, "You must send the queen." But this was too much for Indian men to send their queen to be killed. Imagine the seven queens killed in England, imagine! What a story it is! Now they would not accept that so, they said, "Alright, we are sending the queen," and they got this palanquins and four people with the palanquin and inside there was one another soldier sitting in with all the swords and all the guns and all that. Like that, they sent hundred palanquins saying that, "These are the maids of the queen, that are going," and the king was in the first palanquin, and they said, "We are going to fight these people. In case we die then we will know because that there will be no fire with us. If there is a fire then we want that we should know that we have died." And then these people went to fight and each one of them was killed - there was no fire. These women made a fire and climbed over it and all of them burnt themselves. They would not allow their chastities to be touched by men. We may say, you so wish you were like that but today we have got that - they are so gracious to have died for their chastity; It's such a great martyrdom for us to see how these women have killed themselves. There are many stories like this - even the wife of Ravana, who was killed by Rama, was like that which I'll be telling you later on sometimes. That story is also very interesting but that is what it is but we have lost all that, somehow we have lost it. I don't know how we have lost it but we have lost it - it's a very sad thing. Very sad that we have lost such a precious thing that we have. With realization, you get it back. You get back your sense of decency, your sense of chastity. Like, if I'm on the street, people are kissing each other, hugging each other. I mean, these are things to be done in the bedroom, not there, you see, it's so ugly to do it like this, embarrassing everyone. They'll be going on the escalator - that's the only time they can kiss otherwise there's no other time; They must stick on to each other all the time. And if you ask them where are they going - they are going for a divorce case. [LAUGHTER] And it's very indecent to be so much showing off your relationship with your husband - there's no need. You see, there's no need, all the time, to touch him and what's the need? It looks so indecent; I don't understand that there is any need if there is love. There's more love then you never do that, actually. Uh.. you'll be amazed that Indian women when they see their husband, they may not even raise their eyes and you make out why because she doesn't even raise her eye but she knows in her heart and heart that her lover, her husband is so near. There's no need to say that; It's so beautiful, it is so much loving that husband just looks at the girl and he knows that's my bride is there and he just shakes his head and she also. It's so beautiful while this vulgar expression and this time you have to think, it's ridiculous sometimes the way people go on. We are making ourselves very cheap. In our own estimation we should stand into great [UNCLEAR] of our shape and our understanding that we are human-beings - even animals, some of them, are ashamed of these things and how can we go about with this kind of things. Very wrong ideas have come into us, like women must show their body - why? What is the need for women to show their body? It's a very compulsion out of women, they must show their body - it's absurd, I mean, to us it's a priority that the men, doesn't matter because they have nothing to hide so, why should they every time they meet a man they need to button up his clothes and a woman will open her body. What is this? I can't understand that a woman, in her modesty and her chastity, should know the value of her private life and her privacy. She must respect. The way she behaved, the way, she's become shameless, absolutely shameless and then [UNCLEAR] there was a big movement that you shouldn't even wear under, undershirts for women or something like that and they developed all these troubles of the breast cancer. They developed with that; Men should also wear undershirts not talk of the women but men should wear just for the absorption of, what you can say the prespiration of but women for their chastity also because they expose themselves and that's the chakra of shyness, is the chakra of modesty, is the chakra of your chastity and you expose it? - that's not the way it should be. Only your child should be able to see that, nobody else is allowed. That's [UNCLEAR] you will be childless. You will see half of your spirit will go if you dress up properly in a proper way, in modesty. Nobody [UNCLEAR - DOES THAT?] The way you walk, the way you behave on the streets, I mean, there has to be a [UNCLEAR] - what else? You created this, I tell you, the women created this, it's not that the man but the way women are dressed, the way ugly they are - man feels excited, what can he do? They have to behave themselves, they have to do in such a way that they do not distract men so much. All the time trying to attract men is a [UNCLEAR] thing. Like one American woman was said that, "Indian women are…." I said that, "Alright, to one husband only. We are not bothered about other husbands. We are not all the time worried about figures, this, that to attract all the men of the world. Only one husband is Shri Ram is very…… distract our minds and they respect [UNCLEAR] maybe husband as someone. Maybe a man [UNCLEAR] it's [UNCLEAR] to play with the emotions of another man who is …. Whatever is ours we enjoy. ….. enjoy somebody else's thing - why you do that? By doing that, you create such a lot of insecurity in such a lot of people and this is what they have to understand. Do not lay your hands on the other families, keep them off. It's worse than stealing all their families, everything together. Allow people to [UNCLEAR] and make marriages successful. I've seen people flirting about with [UNCLEAR] - shameful! I've seen that and I feel so much shocked. What must be the curses of God for such people who have no sympathy, no desire, no understanding as to what the husband would be feeling of a whore? All of us must know, this hurts us the most. This center hurts anyone the most. Nothing can be more hurting than this [UNCLEAR]. If you take our something, doesn't matter but you deceive someone and in love everything is fair according to the modern science. You hurt anyone, you do anything, you'll be amazed - now I had a disciple who was 26 years of age and he had a friend who was 24, mother was about 45, 46 maybe; The friend went with this boy to his house and the lady went away with this 24 year old What a problem it is! Nonsense! And then the son came to Me and told Me, "Mother, this is what has happened, what should I do?" I said, " Go and [UNCLEAR]." She was so shameless. She started telling Me, "How nice that boy is, he's so interesting, this, that." I said, "Have you forgotten you have two daughters also." She said, "No, not I've not forgotten that. I will [UNCLEAR - MEET THEM?]." I said, "Nobody should meet you." Then she brought out all the case, everything, the house was sold - poor daughters are, they have no place to go to, they are in our ashram. The father has become mad sort of person and she doesn't mind she's [UNCLEAR] all of them and [UNCLEAR - STIGMA?] and the boy feels so heated up, he's so angry and this foolish woman thinks that she's such a bride! How many people [UNCLEAR]. They destroy this life, destroy that life. What are we doing? We're destroying ourselves. You can rationalize it, you can say it is alright but it is murder, it is murder. Murder of not one one person but of many. With this, I think, today I'll finish. Tomorrow I'll [UNCLEAR - BE OR DEAL?] with Krishna because the mood is different today. For Krishna you have to have very playful mood which we'll use. Tomorrow we'll have a nice time with Shri Krishna and Christ. You'll be a master when I'll speak to you day after tomorrow and, I'm sure, you'll be able to do much better. I'm sorry, I had to say these things to you because in India people are [UNCLEAR] stealing, bribing, this, that nonsense once they grow. We have got money now, now at least enjoy each other, do not destroy each other. You see, any husband you have got, just try not to [UNCLEAR] in this lifetime, any woman you have got, try [UNCLEAR] in this lifetime - please. At least that type of a person won't be there next life - properly. So stop it. Why are you like? If you have married, it's alright, work it out, be comfortable with each other, be generous, be sweet, look after each other. Do not destroy your lives. Your people suffer from such horrible hallucinations and things, if you treat them like this. In America I met a child of eight years; Eight years child and his mother told Me, "Mother, he has taken to drugs." I said, What! eight year old child has taken to drugs?" She said, "Yes, he takes drugs," and that child I just took that child and hugged him and loved him and kissed him. I said, "What have you been doing to yourself?" He said, "All the time my father, mother - they are quarrelling, this is uh.. another father has come, he doesn't like me - he has more children, this, that. I don't like that father [UNCLEAR] Then I kissed him and kissed him and kissed him. Then he [UNCLEAR] very happy and he started feeling My softness [UNCLEAR] - then he started crying. He said, "Do You know Mother, my mother has never hugged me like this, has never kissed me. She had no time because all the time she was trying to be with my father and my father was trying to be with her. She had no love to kiss me like that." I asked her and she told Me, "Oh God, I will never forgive me if I touch a eight year old boy like this." This is Mr. Paul [LAUGHTER] I mean, even one a person, who is 65 year old in India he doesn't mind getting into mother's bedroom, behaving like a little child, just taking her blessings [UNCLEAR - I MEAN?] it's nothing regarded as, never even comes to our [UNCLEAR] You see, My daughters are very big, about 35 years. She sees, when My husband is there, both of them will sleep and say, "Daddy, now we are not liking to go out of this." Nobody feels anything. Even My son-in-law will be there - everybody. I mean, it's so clear, it's so [UNCLEAR]. Seems our brains have been ruling our hearts Clear your hearts, clean your hearts. Don't listen to these horrible psychologists; See, they are pathological cases. We are [UNCLEAR], don't listen to them, don't develop guilts for nothing at all. Why are you so much obedient to them, I don't know. Your Christ will be alive, you are the God man and one of the thing is love and wisdom. Isn't it? I think, this Freud never saw; This is what it is. We have [UNCLEAR - BASED?] ugliness out of all that is [UNCLEAR] We have created horror out of our security. You have created destruction out of all the constructed beautiful things. This is what you have done so from today, build up your hearts sometime, build up your mother and know that we have to be beautiful, decent people. May God bless you! Tomorrow I'm not in India but day after tomorrow, I'll be free to have [UNCLEAR]. Thank you very much! Should we have meditation now? [UNCLEAR] into meditation should [UNCLEAR] For meditation, one has to know that it is the Kundalini which clears you. She's the one who clears you. Now the mantras on the awakening of the deities helps you to expand the area of the chakras which you can learn, later on, how to do but just now let us see. We can say, that there is no need to fear. There is no need to fear at all when the Mother, who is the Mother of the Universe is looking after us. Just you say that and this center will open out and the Kundalini will rush through. Please put your both the hands towards Me, just like this. Stretch them a little, just stretch them. Close your eyes, close. [Shri MATAJI BLOWS INTO THE MIKE] [Shri MATAJI BLOWS INTO THE MIKE] [Shri MATAJI BLOWS INTO THE MIKE] [Shri MATAJI BLOWS INTO THE MIKE] We have closed the air-conditioner. If you are getting the breeze, you should not think it's coming now from Me and also from your head. You can feel it coming out of your head. Put your right hand towards Me and feel it on your head. Now you can meditate. Now put both your hands towards Me and just for [UNCLEAR - FEW MINUTES?] close your eyes. Close your eyes, please close your eyes. Establish your chakra, establish your chakra of the heart by paying attention there and say that, "Mother, I want to feel You." I fear not, I don't fear or say, "I feel secured within myself." Hmm, then it is better. Your left side is weaker - put your left hand towards Me and right hand on the heart center, on the heart center, in the center.

1981-03-30 Anahatha Chakra - Shri Lalita - Shri Chakra (Public Program ) You want to ask a question which you like to ask. Seeker: [Unclear conversation]Sahaja Yogi: Hare Krishna.Shri Mataji: Are you Hare Krishna? I ‘ll talk about Krishna, then we’ll talk about Krishna.Seeker: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Swati, you don’t want?Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear]Shri Mataji: What’s he saying?Sahaja Yogi: He wants to ask me a question, Mother, because I was doing the program.Shri Mataji: You should not be aggressive like that, all right?Seeker: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: You can do it later on. What is there to be so aggressive? Did you come here to quarrel?Seeker: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: No, no why have you come here to tell your things. You have come here to quarrel.Seeker: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: [Inaudible] Be quiet, all right? Have some patience. You see, when you go to other gurus you don’t ask any questions, nothing, you go headlong. You shave up your heads, do what they tell you. There’s no enquiry for them, not a question, nothing. Whatever they say, you obey them, pay them money. Just obey them blindly. Whenever you come to Mother, please don’t try to get this – that’s wrong. Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: That’s true, I know. – Why do you want to quarrel? You have come to quarrel. Seeker: [Inaudible] I do Ananya.Shri Mataji: What is he?Lady: He’s probably a Sahaja Yogi.Shri Mataji: Hum?Seeker: Sahaja Yogi. Sahaja means [inaudible]. He teaches the people [Unclear] Shri Mataji: I have never heard of follows-up. [Unsure] What are you doing [unclear]? Have you got your? He’s [inaudible] nothing wrong. He has his own ideas too.Seeker: [Inaudible]. Shri Mataji: No, no, don’t fight. You see, the minimum you are silent, have started spoiling everybody’s mood You take another hall on hire and you give a lecture. That’s a better idea. And you’ll be happy and I ‘ll be very happy if you can do that. All right?Alright, better do it.This is what is called parasite.[Laughter] Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible][Shri Mataji burst into laugh][Applause] Shri Mataji: He was drunk![Unclear conversation]He was just drunk, I think. It’s all right, don’t worry.Forget it, forget it. Let it be. Better sit down all of you. Now, I’ll tell you. One had all types of experiences every next day. Sahaja Yoga has an open door for everyone. All of you can come in. Some of you, actually, do not deserve even to come but you are allowed to come in. You do not want your Self-realization but you have come here, I don’t know for what. But it’s all right, it’s a Mother’s house. You all could be here.But as a Mother, I have to tell you one thing – a very simple thing that you must do all justice to yourself. In all earnest to yourself, you better get your Realization. If you do not get your Realization, you’ll have lots of problems, lots of sufferings later on which may come out as anything: physical, emotional, mental, spiritual but last of all, they’ll be sorted out into something else. So, I have to request you, that be patient with yourself. As I love you, you have to love yourself. I see that beauty, that sparkling beautiful Spirit which is clouded by your [inaudible] cloud, any sins, problems. But I see that sparkling spark transparent. That’s why, I’m extremely patient.You will know your beauty also if you are little patient with yourself and try to understand how to be that spark That is what you are. You are lost, you have to find it. That is very important for life; That is the evolutionary process of human-beings. And those who do not accept their Spirit – I do not want to say to frighten you- but only thing is, this is the Last Judgment. You won’t have another chance. So, please, try to get your Realization established. If you think, coming to my lecture, you’ll have more knowledge about chakras and things like that. That is not going to help you neither help Me. I’m not here to show off any knowledge or to sort of, dominate people in any way, or to start a new cult or religion or anything like that. I’m here to give you what you have, just that is hidden from you, that you have not yet felt. That’s yours, it’s your own right that is sahaja – born with you, spontaneous, the living force of Kundalini, which is the Holy Ghost actually reflected within you, has to do it and that’s what is important, absolutely wise, absolutely logic. But we are not yet so equipped to understand our estimation.We have no self-estimation of any kind, we are not able to understand what we are. It’s better to get your Self-realization and to understand your own values. This is something so valuable that no words can really prove it. Now today, we are yet to be with a very interesting – is it all right, can you hear Me?– a very interesting chakra, called as heart chakra, which is called as Anahata chakra. Though it is not placed on the heart, it is placed very much behind the sternum bone in the spinal cord. In the childhood, this center manifests the power in the sternum bone and creates the antibodies. Now this center is governed by the Goddess, who is called as Jagadamba – meaning the Mother of the Universe, who gives a sense of security within us. She resides in this center and manifests, till the age of twelve years, Her warriors called as antibodies. Doctors call it as antibodies. After twelve years, these antibodies go into circulation and empty the sternum bone. But whenever there is a problem of insecurity, the sternum bone starts going up and down and you start feeling [inaudible] within you. This is a very, very important, extremely important center within us. If you have less antibodies, then we can develop lots of problems of insecurity even if we have imaginary hallucinations or sometimes actual possessions, this center can go out in a very funny way and you may develop diseases like Asthma [unclear]. But actually, with this central one, the center – there are three chakras you can see there, so the central one gives you the sense of insecurity specially to women will cause cancer of the breast. Breast cancer is caused by insecurity among women. Mostly women who are insecure do not say that they are insecure. Supposing the husband is a wayward person and he is having relations with other women or she is suspicious about the relationship like that then she may develop this trouble within her and she may not tell the doctor, doctor would not know and breast cancer can be caused with [unclear] First of all, a woman is a mother, mother of your child. And if her security as a mother is challenged, then she develops this horrible disease called as breast cancer, which is very common these days among women. Men do not understand that women are very sensitive things. They are, of course, extremely evolved; they can bear much more than men can seldom a woman gets a heart attack. They are quite streaky, means if there is an outside attack on them. But they can’t bear their husbands to give them insecurities of this kind. Now you can understand a woman who is insecure like that, she may not say it, she may not complain, she may not also show it. But in her, there is an insecurity developing which results in the creation of breast cancer. There are many breast diseases are developed by these and also some of the lung diseases are also developed with this insecurity. In addition to that, those people who suffer from cold too much, and those who get exposed to pneumonia or, you can say, even people who go to closed places like cinemas, those places where there is not sufficient air for them to breathe, they develop this trouble in this area very much and more on the left-side of this chakra which is called as the Left Anahata. Now the Left Anahata is the Mother, is your mother. If there is a problem with your mother – supposing your mother has died very early in life – you have had no motherhood in your childhood. If there has been a problem with your mother, then this left-side chakra catches and it goes hand in hand with heart. So, in this inner if you get a catch, then you must nourish the left-side chakra which is catching, it can be heart or can be this left-side chakra. So, you can ask the patient, I mean I know that it is hard for you to discriminate. If you ask the patient, “Are you suffering from any insecurity from your mother? What about your mother?” and if you find that there is a problem with the mother-[Somebody is interrupting Shri Mataji]There are such destructive people always. It’s so common, doesn’t matter. It’s all right. You see, they are the losers, why should you worry? Now, if there is any destruction of any such feelings of motherhood within you, then this chakra gets spoiled and you can develop diseases like tuberculosis or could be any such diseases that has to do with your left hand. And also, it affects in a way the heart organ. On the right-hand side, there’s a very, very important chakra called as the chakra of the Shri Rama. Now, Shri Rama was an incarnation of this Vishnu, the One who’s on the Nabhi chakra, who came as the eighth incarnation on this earth and – no sorry not eighth. He was the seventh incarnation and he – there’re ten incarnations out of which he was the seventh – and he came on this earth and he didn’t in any way profess or say that he was the incarnation of Vishnu. He, that’s why he moved from the central path to the right path. He kept himself there. Now this Shri Rama’s center is very important because Shri Rama was a perfect human being ‘Maryada Purshottama’. He dealed with, or we can say, he created the boundaries in which a human being should live as a king, as a husband, as a father and that’s why this is the center of the father. If you have failed as a father, if your son has no feelings for you or maybe, that your father has not been good to you. Or if you have done some harm to your child, then this center catches. Now, there was a boy, who came to Me, quite young and always this center used to catch. I asked him, “How is it this center is catching?” His right heart. “Because you have a good father and everything is all right”. Then he confessed to Me that, “Mother, I must confess to You that I was having a relationship with a woman and she conceived. And we both decided to have an abortion”. And that’s why here, his center was catching. Now the very age-old asthma could be with this. Very age-old asthmas which people have, could be because their father might have died very early in age. Now such fathers, who die very early, feel that their children are insecure. So, they hover around the children. If you can tell your father that, “I’m all right, don’t worry about me, you take your birth,” you’ll be amazed your asthmas can be cured. We had a Governor of Kashmir, who was a friend of my husband, a very senior man, he wanted to see Me. In India people have a different style of behaviour towards saints. We never behave in this arrogant manner as you see here – never. Even the President of India would stand for a saint. And he, though he was the governor, we were his guests. After all, my husband was an officer much junior with him in age. But he came walking to our guest house and he said, “Today I’ve come to see a saint and not Mr Srivastava”.And he sat down. He said, “I’ve come to take your blessings because I’m having asthma for twenty-five years.” I said, “All right.” Then I asked him about his father, “When did his father die?” He said, “About twenty-five years back. That time, I was very young, not yet employed, my father was very much worried about me and he died.” I said, “All right, will you tell your father that, “You take your birth again.” He’s a very noble man, very well educated. It’s only that he was a very clever man. And he said, “All right,” because he was suffering too much. Since that day, he never got an attack from asthma – it’s the truth. It’s very simple to cure anorexia – another disease that you have. Somehow, I wanted to tell you the truth for science but then I’ll tell you about this anorexia [unsure]. Anorexia is also caused by emotional disturbances. For example, a girl’s father dies and she cannot retain this phenomena. And she feels for the father and the father also feels for her. And this mutual feeling brings the father, as a spirit, around her. And then she cannot eat. You see, she feels extremely restless, she carrying on with that feeling. She just cannot eat; whatever she may try she cannot eat.In London, one doctor, once experimented on this and he said, “All right, we’ll do the last rites of your father.” Just imagine it! He said, “Let’s try,” and she started eating. In the same way, if you can tell your father that, “I’m all right.” When you tell this to someone, they start crying because it is too much to say to your father who was so close to you, suddenly died. And they feel very emotional about it. But once they cry it out and they say it, these things get corrected. Asthma, many times, can be cured by this sentence. But there can be a combination of asthma which I called- now, I’ve never told you about the ‘granthis’. When the two centers meet, there are auras of every chakra. And when they meet a granthi is formed- ‘granthi’ means a knot. A knot is formed. And when the knot is formed, when you take the name of a Deity, you have to take the name in such a manner that you put those two deities together. Today I had a boy who had a very bad cough for the last two months. And they did not know what is the reason for it. When we judged him, we just found there Agnya, this chakra, and [inaudible]. When we put them together and gave it a bandhan, we got catches. When we tried on both the chakras, it was better. Because if you treat one, the disease goes to another. And again, when you brought your attention to another, it comes back. So, it is better to attach both of them together. There’s a method, a technique by which you can do it after Realization. All these things are to be learnt and these granthis can be completely opened out. And you can really cure the person of these, so called, physical problems which are really emotional. In a society where people do not understand how human beings are sensitive, how they are delicate, how they are to be treated and that they are the most delicate things, people become extremely aggressive and their aggression can be very subtle, can be very untrue. They may appear to be extremely beautiful but can be very injurious and can be very, very, I would say, extremely disturbing. So many aggressive characters of women and men have destroyed their children, they have destroyed themselves. One has to understand that all such aggressions end up building problems in the society. Insecurities lead you to problems and problems. Like the wife has a insecurity to the husband. Now if husband has the insecurity of the woman, then what happens, they go into these funny relationships with men. When they find the women are so untrusting, so dominating, then they try to have these funny relations, just as you see [unsure]. If they meet women who are kind to them and do not try to dominate too much, they’re sometimes dominating in the name of a superiority of it [unsure]. Very much. So, the man can develop in his own way as a man and a woman can develop in his own way- in her own way as a woman. But when they try to be a man, then the insecurities develop and that’s how we have so many combinations which are psychological in nature. This was discussed by Freud, to begin with. But as I can see, he was very half way. He could not see through that there is not only the psyche that we have. We have also another side which is called as ego within us. So, he said, “You’d better de-condition yourself”. There’s no end to it! And once you start de-conditioning yourself – many gurus are doing that way: they say, “You must de-condition yourself.” By de-conditioning yourself you do not know that you really develop your ego which is, in a way, a more difficult thing to conquer or to recover. This ego within us doesn’t trouble us, it doesn’t. It may give you success, it can give you lots of things: it troubles others. Like Hitler never thought how he was torturing other people. And if you get a superego, then you get a pain, you don’t like it, so you want to give it up. But if you have the ego, you just enjoy this ‘I’ ness. Now, what is that nice thing? This ‘I’ is the one which is the ego. Now when the Realization takes place, when the Kundalini rises, it rises in the center and the power of Kundalini spreads on the sides. In the center is the power of the Mother of the universe. And once you know that the Mother of the universe is your mother also – it’s not the knowledge rationally but it happens to you. So, you feel that security within you. All your emotional things stabilize and you become really stabilized into yourself. And you start feeling yourself and staying with yourself, you feel your own glory and your own importance as a human being, as a Sahaja Yogi, as a Realized soul. Then you change your role completely. You are no more afraid nor fearless. The fear of the unknown goes away. You become absolutely in the center: neither you aggress nor you take aggression. It’s a very beautiful relationship that exists. For example, if somebody tries to aggress you, you just see the drama. If somebody tries to be extremely humble with you, you see the drama. The whole thing comes to you as a drama. You’re never disturbed with all these things. And you must know that these ups and downs are always there to create a variety. This center is the most important center from one point of view. That all our emotional problems come from this center and the way we treat the chakras, the way you can handle each other - we are not at all aware that human-beings are even delicate, that the delicateness flower like this is extremely there. Whatever you try to do to a human-being, know he has a very deep root. These roots as a result of bearing up become big to horrible weapons within us and when you come across somebody whom you can dominate and trouble, you start hurting that person. You use hurting language hurting others. You cannot enjoy another person but when realization takes place, you become so fruitful that you enjoy the security of another person. After realization, a person who is realized, never possesses because a person who is realized has felt the freedom and has divided the freedom so he never tries to dominate another person. This is a very, very great disadvantage in sahaja yog that people who are [UNCLEAR] are very nasty, they can be horrible, they are very troublesome and sometimes they really ruin themselves but because those who are realized souls cannot dominate them, they just watch and see who are dominating. If they could do it, immediately such a person will feel that hundreds of slaps coming up from waves but we face those who are real today, also so many of them, and watching you and are sitting down here. I also see what's happening but they watch and see what others are doing, what harm they are doing and how they are pulling, they just note it down. Of course, this is not so true, that those which are bringing hurdles and inconvenience in the work of God ultimately are taken away from the Grace of God. God is very forgiving, no doubt, He forgives first mistake [UNCLEAR] but after some time He also punishes you. He punishes you so badly that you are amazed how He has [UNCLEAR] you. This center, to keep it clean and nice, one thing you must know, that there is nothing to fear. God Almighty who has created you, He's so powerful that there is nothing to fear. 23rd Psalm which we read [UNCLEAR] what He says. I would say, that is the mantra for this center. There is nothing to fear in this world but actually what happens, that if we are egoistical, we are frightened because we know we are egoistical and somebody is going to hurt us. It is most [UNCLEAR] that kind of a fear comes in that we have done some harm so we are frightened that this is going to happen. Moreover, when you indulge into things like [UNCLEAR] or strong [UNCLEAR] as you call them [UNCLEAR] and drugs and things they take you to superego. The superego takes you to Collective Subconscious and you get attacked by the Collective Subconscious on and when you are attacked then you get a very different personality which is [UNCLEAR], who doesn't want to say anything, which keeps quiet, which runs away, [UNCLEAR] shouts and such people are very depressive. They become absolutely depressing, extremely depressed and sometimes they lose their jobs, they cannot work, they cannot pay attention. These people have to then go to the right side to give a balance [UNCLEAR] - it's to raise the right side of his being. To give them a balance we have to raise the right side, not the left side. And once you raise the right side, you must know you are raising Shri Ram. I do not know if you have read the life of Shri Ram, who was the [UNCLEAR] king and he sacrificed his own wife just to keep the public opinion alright. That was the greatest [UNCLEAR] thing but you have seen people that for their own children they sacrifice the whole country. There are people who sacrificed their whole country for their wives while he's the man who sacrificed his wife for the whole country and the whole story is so good to know that the wife had to go and deliver the children in a ashram of a very big saint known as Valmiki. Now these two children were born and when Rama came to call her she went to and disappeared into the Mother Earth. After that it is said, these two children who were Luv and Kush they went [UNCLEAR] two ends of a [UNCLEAR] because they were kids They decided not to stay in India that can the Himalayas [UNCLEAR] and they decided to disappear in the North. So Luv went towards the [UNCLEAR] side and Kush went to the left side. The left side was China that's why the Russians are called as 'Slav' - Luv becomes 'Slav' and Chinese are called as [UNCLEAR] Better go and tell them that the descendants of two twin brothers who were children of Sitaji and why should they fight among themselves. Chinese and Russian people, they're Slavs and [UNCLEAR] Rama's kingdom was the kingdom of great harmony and great [UNCLEAR]. A king has to be a benevolent king. He has not to use his power to destroy or to make people insecure. If you make even one person insecured, it is sin and a king can make thousands of people insecured by his terrorism or his absurd ideas about [UNCLEAR] Rama's life was a message, was so ideal. Whatever problem he had, he used to call his ministers and would talk to them, ask them what are the problems and then he would tell them, "Alright, if you think these are the problems then," he would say that, "It is better to go to some saint and ask for their advice." And all his ministers had to go to some saint and ask their advice [UNCLEAR]. Saints have the same opinion, all of them, on any country because they are [UNCLEAR] vibrated awareness. In vibratory awareness there's only Absolute Truth and that's how he saw to it that through these saints he could manage them to lead a life of complete harmony and understanding. His own life He spent like a message He would walk without shoes and he sacrificed everything that is meant for [UNCLEAR] And in the end he wanted to have a real faith for [UNCLEAR] of Ashwamedha yAgnya [UNCLEAR] is a [UNCLEAR] in which you put a horse and you follow the horse and wherever the horse goes, you fight the folks which are trying to capture it.. And those horses, whichever country they went, they were not captured, were regarded as the part of the Kingdom of Shri Rama. So this horse went to many countries and there at that time they had to do a great [UNCLEAR] worship of the fire. While he had no wife alongside the day and he said, "I will not have this, if I have to have my wife, I cannot have." So the people said that, "If you can make a statue of your wife, we can have this whole thing done and the puja can be performed." So he made a golden image of Sitaji and tried the worshipping done. It is hard to get a husband of Rama's style; He's an ideal husband. Such a loving husband, He even in separation, He never thought of any other woman just of his wife. He enjoyed the separation of his wife and lead a life of a sage. His wife too, so dedicated to him, was so upset, She thinks that He's going to have this yAgnya, that He may get married again - She was jealous but then she discovered that He made a beautiful image of Her. Sometimes, when they are women, they are jealous but jealousy is not such a bad thing. Jealousy is the controlling factor by which men or women can control the licentiouness of each other. Jealousy is God's gift but it should not go too far. It should be open jealousy and it should be enjoyed. It is in lots of poems of Krishna and Rama - you will hear the jealousy of their wives and how once Radha was so jealous of the flute that Krishna used to use, that She asked Him, "What do You mean by holding this flute all the time to Your lips? What is so special about her?" So Krishna said, "Alright, if You are so jealous, go and ask Her. [UNCLEAR - ONLY?] ask the flute." So she went to the flute and She said, "What is so special about this, how you are all the time uh.. at the lips of My beloved?" She said, "See [UNCLEAR] this." Something very simple and she smiled. She said, "What is your speciality, you have to tell?" She said, "My speciality is that I have no speciality. I've become a hollow person. He flows through me and melody is created and people say that 'Is the flute that is playing.' It's Krishna who's playing, I just see the flow of that. That flow of that energy that you people use it, I see that and I smile at people who say that [UNCLEAR]. I've become [UNCLEAR], I've become a hollow personality." This is what one of the beautiful stories of jealousy is. So, I would not say that jealousy of the worst type, where you may [UNCLEAR] husband is but a sweet jealousy is a very nice thing and a sweet teasing is also very nice thing. Actually in relationship, we have to develop very sweet uh.. connections with each other. Like a, today I was talking to somebody who's brother-in-law is very hot-tempered or something like that and all that. I said, "Very good idea. So you are the one who can take it down his temper because you are his brother -in-law." Said, "How?" I said, "You should teach them sometimes and take his side and do all these tricks and you'll see how he'll manage." That's a very good relationship but this training you do not have in the Western life While we have quite a lot because we live in a joint family, so we know what is our relationship and how to do and how to enjoy each other and how to make fun of these small, small things so we are always laughing and enjoying ourselves, our relationships instead of just finding faults, "She came very late, she banged the door so loudly, she should have known to sleep on here, why didn't she do that," - all these [UNCLEAR] This is how we all can live together if you see to the sweet things but if you go too much [UNCLEAR] meticulous things and to all these nonsensical problems that you have, it is going to be a headache What you need, these small, small things sponsor relationships. Now the Mother of the Universe is the one that is [UNCLEAR - NAMED?] with one thousand names; She has one thousand names and She has got two centers on to which She acts - on the right side is called as the Shri Chakra on the left side is called as the Lalita Chakra and the book that has one thousand names is called as Lalita Sahastranama. All these thousand names, can imagine, how many powers She has - She has thousand hands and with these thousand hands She looks after. So what is there to be afraid of? When there is Yogmaya, who is so powerful and She has thousand powers what is there to be afraid of and when She loves you so much? On one side She has the light on the side of a child. Who can tell you walk so quietly, so nicely without getting disturbed at all. I can see, that it is She who is going to be [UNCLEAR - WORKING?] who act. Only thing, they must feel Her presence in your chakra and establish Her there. This is what is the central chakra is very important within us. [ASIDE - Should I (UNCLEAR)? Should we?] While I'm not saying, there is one chakra more. First of all, before doing Vishuddhi, I've to tell you the imbalances of this chakra, first of all and then you'll understand what is to be done. The imbalances that come in this chakras, first of all, is when you are extremely emotional. Very emotional people there are. At the slightest they'll cry, they're very easily [UNCLEAR] out but whatever you may say, first thing you do is to use your water power and upset everyone; You see, the children are upset, the husband is upset with your water power and the once it starts, it doesn't stop. Emotional people, when they go too much with their emotional behaviour they do not get epileptic so much as they get, what you call hysteric and this hysteria spreads from one to another because people see that those who are distressed are affected with their hysteria. Once they become hysteric, other people start thinking, "Oh, God, just look at her!" She's hysteric so everybody going to her, is kind to her and that is how she also picks up from another hysteric woman and starts being hysteric but actually, it is a possession that comes to you and you become hysteric. Now, this hysteria is to treated in a very simple way. First of all, she is to be told that, "We don't believe in hysteria, [UNCLEAR], we are not bothered. You have your hysteria well it is not good for us." It is to be neglected. If you neglect such a person will be much better or if she shouts or screams anything, you lock her up in the house you go out and come back. You'll find, after some time she'll not have hysterias. But if it really due to some possession, then you have to give her a regular treatment of sahaja yoga by which she can remove the possession. So that there are two types of hysterics one is the real - when a person is really caught up and is possessed and is feeling oppressed and the another kind is the one which is just a show because people are there, who are insincere type and they try to show off. You see, like many you'll find. Now the gentleman here was just nothing but a show off. There was no need for him to be so upset, nobody said anything to him in particular, nothing was wrong, he's not here to fight with Me - nothing - but he's just a show off. And this kind of a quality comes in when you are a show off, so it's best is, to show to such a person that you do not care for the show off. Once you do that, you'll be amazed that it works out wonders and people who are suffering from all these troubles get cured but there are people who are really sick and hard to find some - a very simple method. That a person who is suffering from this kind of a show off thing, if you put anything obnoxious near the nose of such a person he just forgets, he can't bear it, you see. He forgets about his uh.. tantrums. All these tantrums are just forgotten. So in India, is a very funny thing they do is to rub your shoe and put it to the nose of the person and can put anything else. Also sometimes they put a little onion which is not [UNCLEAR] to the nose of the person and then the person just becomes quite normal. But if it is a real, real hysteric, you see, then of course, you have to get it treated by sahaja yoga. I've known one lady was going to some guru who really raped her and she didn't know she was raped but sort of in unconscious state and she was thinking that she was raped and all that and she became pregnant and then she had to get her abortion and all that - horrible fellow he was! He's still going very strong making lots of money and this woman since then became hysteric sort and she used to get into terrible hysteria so much so that when her husband had to take her to Scotland then [UNCLEAR] boarding house where he was looking after, she used to scream like mad and she used to go into a tantrum where her neck would go on one side and her hands would go like that; It was terrible. Worse that her epileptic mood would go on for 3-4 hours. Thank God she came to sahaja yoga and she got cured. - What are you doing? - I'm drawing [UNCLEAR] - Why don't you give an extraordinary affair? I'm here to make you extraordinary. [UNCLEAR] Oh, it's alright but I think you better be extraordinary so I also can be when I… alright? Alright, finish it soon and you better have it. Now, this one is one of the hysterias, as I told you, on the left hand side and a right hand side, when a person is, say, in the power, he becomes the king and he starts shouting out - he's not [UNCLEAR], he's a father. He has to behave like a father and a father has to sacrifice. He has to go on sacrificing for his children. He has to give love to his children. Now, a father will never have a [UNCLEAR - SALARY?] for car and a beautiful house and the children starving. A, any king or any woman who does that, is not a father. If he is the father, then he is the benevolent king and such a king, we should all pray that we should have, within ourselves. Is important that we should have such a king who sacrifices everything for the sake of his subjects and what a character! A king, who has a licentious life, who kills seven wives and does all such nonsensical things how can you, because unless and until you have a have a character of your own, you have your own principles, unless and until you are an ideal king, how can you rule people and what can you give them except for licentiousness and permissiveness. I was surprised that, now in England all of them are trying to follow this king who kills seven wives. You see, either the wives are killing the husbands and the husbands are killing the wives and once I asked, "Why do you do like this?" "Our kings did it and now we are democratic, so we can also do it." - they have all become kings now. If you have to become a king, you have to be a king like Rama who loves his wife, cared for [UNCLEAR], above all, His care for His people, His subjects; Nothing was more important than the people whom He governed - that is what it is. But when this happens, you'll find the wives had escorted in most of the [UNCLEAR], like his son they always gets caught up because they think, "Oh, we're great!" You see, their nose is up like that, they go in a big car, they have no time to look at any one - they're supposed to be public servants but they behave as if they are the owners of public properties and public. Specially in developing countries like India, they indulge into horrible things like bribery, corruption and all those things and are least bothered about every corruption leads to [UNCLEAR] damage because they do not believe, that God Almighty the Great, is our Father and when our Father is there, so great, He's going to look after us. Why should we do all these injurious things to ourselves. One [UNCLEAR - MALADY?] can kill thousands of people. If a person takes a bribe while building a bridge, the bridge is weak and when the car is passing over it, one, ten, hundred, thousand people can be killed. For taking a little money how much we do harm to others. Now, one side is the sin against the father - that not to believe that he looks after our yoga and kshema, both, He's the one who looks after all our material well-being. For that we should love [UNCLEAR] at least that is all the developing countries [UNCLEAR - ITSELF?]. The countries who are developed, who have money, who do not have insecurities from money - what they are doing? They are having the another side - is the sin against the mother. They are intruding the security of the family while making the wives suffer of the insecurity or making the husband suffer of the insecurity, making the children suffer of the insecurity; The whole places security is insecure. The women also have seen, when they're divorced, they start doing very dirty things, filthy. They become prostitutes - actually they are prostitutes. Yes, what is the difference between the good woman and a prostitute is this much today, that one does it with willingness and the other says that she doesn't do with willingness. Whatever you may call it, it's a very wrong thing and for a woman, it's killing; It's absolutely killing because woman's chastity keeps the whole earth moving. Her chastity is the most important thing. If a woman doesn't have a chastity, then I don't know what's going to happen to that earthly, that earth - it's horrible. All kinds of [UNCLEAR] takes place, the Mother Earth is accidently rolling with agony. She can't bear her daughters being slaughtered like this for the sake of emotional blackmail or some sort of a thing like this. Women must understand they owe a responsibility to the whole society. If men are responsible for economics and politics, women are responsible for social life. They have to get, they have to stand on their own feet and know that they are women and their chastity is the most precious thing. Now, in a country like India, where [UNCLEAR] in poverty, but women's chastity is the fulfilment extremely [UNCLEAR], I mean, you can't think of what you have even. In the olden days, we had a Muslim queen. Her name was Noor Jahan. She was first an ordinary woman and she went to the king's palace and met Jahangir, who was a prince and she was a very beautiful and innocent girl and he fell in love with her and he wanted to marry her but the king didn't like. He said, "No, she must be from a royal family." He married her to one Shera Afghan of Bengal and sent her. This lady became a devoted wife to her husband and lived very happily. But when Akbar died, this, this Salim her, I should say, her lover became the king called as Jahangir and by mistake her husband was killed by the armies of Jahangir and this upset her very much. Then she was brought to Delhi and she went and told Jahangir that she cannot have him. "You have killed my husband, I'll never see your face, you cannot touch me." He was the Emperor of India. This woman said, "You dare not touch me, I've nothing to…" - see the character of the woman. And then he became very sick. He was also a very good husband and a lover, I should say. Became very sick, he couldn't live without her and the mother was a lady called as Jodhabai - she was a Hindu lady whom Akbar had married, so Jodhabai, mother was very sorry for the son and when the doctor said that, "This girl has to be brought today otherwise this fellow is going to die perhaps," so he said, "You must arrange somehow." So this queen, the mother queen, went as an ordinary maid-servant to this girl and worked with her as a maid-servant. So this girl was sick and she said, "What do you want?" She said, "Will you give me if I ask for it?" She said, "Yes, if I can give you, I will give you." So he asked, she, this old lady asked her, "Will you marry my son?" She was willing to marry the son of a maid-servant but was not willing to marry this Emperor, whom she had loved for some more time with the idea that she had killed the husband and when, when she discovered that the son was nobody else but Jahangir and she was married to him and she became a very brave queen, Noor Jahan; Noor Jahan means the light of the world. Like that, we have had many, many stories in India because the character of a woman [UNCLEAR - SHINES?] and such a power of [UNCLEAR] that even Krishna and Rama and the greatest of greatest people were afraid of such women who had [UNCLEAR]. If you have to have real powers, then you should be really dedicated and very pure chaste women. You'll be amazed, every word you say will become and you'll be such a powerful woman that nobody can even touch you. It's a tremendous power of which I'll give you one another example how the women of India behave towards their chastity. Uh.. we had a lady called Padmini, very beautiful queen and once uh.. a king, a emperor or something, he heard - not yet an emperor but he was trying to make [UNCLEAR - HIM ONE?] - he heard about the beauty and he said that, "Oh, I must see this lady otherwise if she does not agree, I will attack." So all the people said, "No, we'll not allow our queen to be demonstrated like that." So she said, "Alright, I don't want my country to be attacked, so it's alright, he can see me in a mirror, doesn't matter." So she stood in a mirror and he saw her and then he again became very mad after her. He said, "No, I must have her as my wife." And he came with all his army and surrounded their fort and sent word that, "You must send the queen." But this was too much for Indian men to send their queen to be killed. Imagine the seven queens killed in England, imagine! What a story it is! Now they would not accept that so, they said, "Alright, we are sending the queen," and they got this palanquins and four people with the palanquin and inside there was one another soldier sitting in with all the swords and all the guns and all that. Like that, they sent hundred palanquins saying that, "These are the maids of the queen, that are going," and the king was in the first palanquin, and they said, "We are going to fight these people. In case we die then we will know because that there will be no fire with us. If there is a fire then we want that we should know that we have died." And then these people went to fight and each one of them was killed - there was no fire. These women made a fire and climbed over it and all of them burnt themselves. They would not allow their chastities to be touched by men. We may say, you so wish you were like that but today we have got that - they are so gracious to have died for their chastity; It's such a great martyrdom for us to see how these women have killed themselves. There are many stories like this - even the wife of Ravana, who was killed by Rama, was like that which I'll be telling you later on sometimes. That story is also very interesting but that is what it is but we have lost all that, somehow we have lost it. I don't know how we have lost it but we have lost it - it's a very sad thing. Very sad that we have lost such a precious thing that we have. With realization, you get it back. You get back your sense of decency, your sense of chastity. Like, if I'm on the street, people are kissing each other, hugging each other. I mean, these are things to be done in the bedroom, not there, you see, it's so ugly to do it like this, embarrassing everyone. They'll be going on the escalator - that's the only time they can kiss otherwise there's no other time; They must stick on to each other all the time. And if you ask them where are they going - they are going for a divorce case. [LAUGHTER] And it's very indecent to be so much showing off your relationship with your husband - there's no need. You see, there's no need, all the time, to touch him and what's the need? It looks so indecent; I don't understand that there is any need if there is love. There's more love then you never do that, actually. Uh.. you'll be amazed that Indian women when they see their husband, they may not even raise their eyes and you make out why because she doesn't even raise her eye but she knows in her heart and heart that her lover, her husband is so near. There's no need to say that; It's so beautiful, it is so much loving that husband just looks at the girl and he knows that's my bride is there and he just shakes his head and she also. It's so beautiful while this vulgar expression and this time you have to think, it's ridiculous sometimes the way people go on. We are making ourselves very cheap. In our own estimation we should stand into great [UNCLEAR] of our shape and our understanding that we are human-beings - even animals, some of them, are ashamed of these things and how can we go about with this kind of things. Very wrong ideas have come into us, like women must show their body - why? What is the need for women to show their body? It's a very compulsion out of women, they must show their body - it's absurd, I mean, to us it's a priority that the men, doesn't matter because they have nothing to hide so, why should they every time they meet a man they need to button up his clothes and a woman will open her body. What is this? I can't understand that a woman, in her modesty and her chastity, should know the value of her private life and her privacy. She must respect. The way she behaved, the way, she's become shameless, absolutely shameless and then [UNCLEAR] there was a big movement that you shouldn't even wear under, undershirts for women or something like that and they developed all these troubles of the breast cancer. They developed with that; Men should also wear undershirts not talk of the women but men should wear just for the absorption of, what you can say the prespiration of but women for their chastity also because they expose themselves and that's the chakra of shyness, is the chakra of modesty, is the chakra of your chastity and you expose it? - that's not the way it should be. Only your child should be able to see that, nobody else is allowed. That's [UNCLEAR] you will be childless. You will see half of your spirit will go if you dress up properly in a proper way, in modesty. Nobody [UNCLEAR - DOES THAT?] The way you walk, the way you behave on the streets, I mean, there has to be a [UNCLEAR] - what else? You created this, I tell you, the women created this, it's not that the man but the way women are dressed, the way ugly they are - man feels excited, what can he do? They have to behave themselves, they have to do in such a way that they do not distract men so much. All the time trying to attract men is a [UNCLEAR] thing. Like one American woman was said that, "Indian women are…." I said that, "Alright, to one husband only. We are not bothered about other husbands. We are not all the time worried about figures, this, that to attract all the men of the world. Only one husband is Shri Ram is very…… distract our minds and they respect [UNCLEAR] maybe husband as someone. Maybe a man [UNCLEAR] it's [UNCLEAR] to play with the emotions of another man who is …. Whatever is ours we enjoy. ….. enjoy somebody else's thing - why you do that? By doing that, you create such a lot of insecurity in such a lot of people and this is what they have to understand. Do not lay your hands on the other families, keep them off. It's worse than stealing all their families, everything together. Allow people to [UNCLEAR] and make marriages successful. I've seen people flirting about with [UNCLEAR] - shameful! I've seen that and I feel so much shocked. What must be the curses of God for such people who have no sympathy, no desire, no understanding as to what the husband would be feeling of a whore? All of us must know, this hurts us the most. This center hurts anyone the most. Nothing can be more hurting than this [UNCLEAR]. If you take our something, doesn't matter but you deceive someone and in love everything is fair according to the modern science. You hurt anyone, you do anything, you'll be amazed - now I had a disciple who was 26 years of age and he had a friend who was 24, mother was about 45, 46 maybe; The friend went with this boy to his house and the lady went away with this 24 year old What a problem it is! Nonsense! And then the son came to Me and told Me, "Mother, this is what has happened, what should I do?" I said, " Go and [UNCLEAR]." She was so shameless. She started telling Me, "How nice that boy is, he's so interesting, this, that." I said, "Have you forgotten you have two daughters also." She said, "No, not I've not forgotten that. I will [UNCLEAR - MEET THEM?]." I said, "Nobody should meet you." Then she brought out all the case, everything, the house was sold - poor daughters are, they have no place to go to, they are in our ashram. The father has become mad sort of person and she doesn't mind she's [UNCLEAR] all of them and [UNCLEAR - STIGMA?] and the boy feels so heated up, he's so angry and this foolish woman thinks that she's such a bride! How many people [UNCLEAR]. They destroy this life, destroy that life. What are we doing? We're destroying ourselves. You can rationalize it, you can say it is alright but it is murder, it is murder. Murder of not one one person but of many. With this, I think, today I'll finish. Tomorrow I'll [UNCLEAR - BE OR DEAL?] with Krishna because the mood is different today. For Krishna you have to have very playful mood which we'll use. Tomorrow we'll have a nice time with Shri Krishna and Christ. You'll be a master when I'll speak to you day after tomorrow and, I'm sure, you'll be able to do much better. I'm sorry, I had to say these things to you because in India people are [UNCLEAR] stealing, bribing, this, that nonsense once they grow. We have got money now, now at least enjoy each other, do not destroy each other. You see, any husband you have got, just try not to [UNCLEAR] in this lifetime, any woman you have got, try [UNCLEAR] in this lifetime - please. At least that type of a person won't be there next life - properly. So stop it. Why are you like? If you have married, it's alright, work it out, be comfortable with each other, be generous, be sweet, look after each other. Do not destroy your lives. Your people suffer from such horrible hallucinations and things, if you treat them like this. In America I met a child of eight years; Eight years child and his mother told Me, "Mother, he has taken to drugs." I said, What! eight year old child has taken to drugs?" She said, "Yes, he takes drugs," and that child I just took that child and hugged him and loved him and kissed him. I said, "What have you been doing to yourself?" He said, "All the time my father, mother - they are quarrelling, this is uh.. another father has come, he doesn't like me - he has more children, this, that. I don't like that father [UNCLEAR] Then I kissed him and kissed him and kissed him. Then he [UNCLEAR] very happy and he started feeling My softness [UNCLEAR] - then he started crying. He said, "Do You know Mother, my mother has never hugged me like this, has never kissed me. She had no time because all the time she was trying to be with my father and my father was trying to be with her. She had no love to kiss me like that." I asked her and she told Me, "Oh God, I will never forgive me if I touch a eight year old boy like this." This is Mr. Paul [LAUGHTER] I mean, even one a person, who is 65 year old in India he doesn't mind getting into mother's bedroom, behaving like a little child, just taking her blessings [UNCLEAR - I MEAN?] it's nothing regarded as, never even comes to our [UNCLEAR] You see, My daughters are very big, about 35 years. She sees, when My husband is there, both of them will sleep and say, "Daddy, now we are not liking to go out of this." Nobody feels anything. Even My son-in-law will be there - everybody. I mean, it's so clear, it's so [UNCLEAR]. Seems our brains have been ruling our hearts Clear your hearts, clean your hearts. Don't listen to these horrible psychologists; See, they are pathological cases. We are [UNCLEAR], don't listen to them, don't develop guilts for nothing at all. Why are you so much obedient to them, I don't know. Your Christ will be alive, you are the God man and one of the thing is love and wisdom. Isn't it? I think, this Freud never saw; This is what it is. We have [UNCLEAR - BASED?] ugliness out of all that is [UNCLEAR] We have created horror out of our security. You have created destruction out of all the constructed beautiful things. This is what you have done so from today, build up your hearts sometime, build up your mother and know that we have to be beautiful, decent people. May God bless you! Tomorrow I'm not in India but day after tomorrow, I'll be free to have [UNCLEAR]. Thank you very much! Should we have meditation now? [UNCLEAR] into meditation should [UNCLEAR] For meditation, one has to know that it is the Kundalini which clears you. She's the one who clears you. Now the mantras on the awakening of the deities helps you to expand the area of the chakras which you can learn, later on, how to do but just now let us see. We can say, that there is no need to fear. There is no need to fear at all when the Mother, who is the Mother of the Universe is looking after us. Just you say that and this center will open out and the Kundalini will rush through. Please put your both the hands towards Me, just like this. Stretch them a little, just stretch them. Close your eyes, close. [Shri MATAJI BLOWS INTO THE MIKE] [Shri MATAJI BLOWS INTO THE MIKE] [Shri MATAJI BLOWS INTO THE MIKE] [Shri MATAJI BLOWS INTO THE MIKE] We have closed the air-conditioner. If you are getting the breeze, you should not think it's coming now from Me and also from your head. You can feel it coming out of your head. Put your right hand towards Me and feel it on your head. Now you can meditate. Now put both your hands towards Me and just for [UNCLEAR - FEW MINUTES?] close your eyes. Close your eyes, please close your eyes. Establish your chakra, establish your chakra of the heart by paying attention there and say that, "Mother, I want to feel You." I fear not, I don't fear or say, "I feel secured within myself." Hmm, then it is better. Your left side is weaker - put your left hand towards Me and right hand on the heart center, on the heart center, in the center.

3/31/1981

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Vishuddhi and Agnya Chakras

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Public Program. Sydney (Australia), 31 March 1981. Actually, yesterday it was announced that we’ll start around seven thirty. And we did not know what to do because he made a mistake and he went on making that mistake on the radio. Today is very interesting topic before us, is to discuss the Vishuddhi chakra, which is placed here behind the base of the neck, and which has got sixteen petals. It manifests outside the cervical plexus in the gross for physical action. As you know, for the emotional side, you have got larynx glands and thyroid is the gland which is placed here.This center, in the evolution, is of greatest importance for human beings, because this center developed its maximum growth when human beings raised their heads from animal stage to become human beings. As animals, the heads were at an angle towards the ground, first it was just touching, parallel, then it was raised higher and higher. Till it came to monkey stage where it was raised slightly higher. And at the human stage only, they raised their heads in a straight line. Straight line was all right. In the straight line it was the balance between the superego and the ego. First, there is superego in the animals when they are looked after by human beings. Animals developed certain conditionings from human beings. Like a dog has to be looked after by human beings. Then the dog is told to do this or that and the conditioning starts. And when this conditioning starts in a dog, he starts developing his superego in a human way. But when a chimpanzee raised his head and tried to become a man, first the head of the first original man was bent like this. In the Ramayana, there is a mention of such race, the missing link, where human beings were half monkeys and half human beings. That’s about eight thousand years back. Now this center was really, fully enlightened by Shri Krishna, who came on this earth in the era called as Dwapara. Rama was in Satya Yuga, and He came in Dwapara. That is about six thousand years back. And Shri Krishna incarnated as one of the incarnations of Shri Vishnu, who is responsible for our evolutionary process. It is only through Shri Vishnu that we evolve. He is the aspect which gives us dharma. Dharma is our sustenance. Through changing our sustenances or our capacities we have evolved. Like, I can say carbon was at Mooladhara chakra. And this carbon, electromagnetic matter, got prana into it by which it started moving as a living thing. This living thing then grew into higher and higher awareness till it reached a stage where you were an animal. And then you had to become a human being. The first human beings were short people. That incarnation of the short people is called as Vamana. Then there were people who became very conscious of the nature around and they wanted to have the mastery over the nature. They started doing all kinds of yagnyas according to the Vedas. Vedas actually worked out right hand side growth of human beings. And they developed people who were good at reciting Veda mantras and all such things that would give us mastery over the five elements. These people when they mastered the five elements, they became very ego oriented, and instead of only keeping the head in the center they started pulling it backwards. By pulling that backwards, they started developing their pituitary, and this pituitary was activated so much that they increased their heights than normal, became greedy people, started thinking about the future and the idea of future started coming into the human beings. It went on till today where the people have tried to master the five elements, they have developed ego to such an extent that they are extremely ego-oriented and this ego engulfs, pushes down the superego as you can see here, the ego that is over-developed can push the superego down. So then in addition to that, people like Freud said that, “Why should we allow ourselves to be conditioned to anything?” It’s only the human beings who can have good conditionings and who can have bad conditionings. But, as the basic wisdom was lacking, you see, gradually we started losing the basic wisdom, and we denied all kinds of conditioning within us, by saying “What’s wrong?”, “What’s wrong?”. And when we went on like this, saying “What’s wrong?”, “What’s wrong?”, what happened was that our ego developed so much, that it pushed the superego. The superego was pushed to such an extent that it could not bear it anymore. So, in the modern times, say about fifty years back, you can say, about twenty-five years back, a new generation started showing its effects. Young generation came up and they felt that the ego is too much, we are too bound to material things. We are instead of enslaving the matter and material powers, we are enslaved by them. This realization started coming into them. Actually, it started, I should say, about sixty years back. But this grew up very well about twenty, twenty-five years back very much, or little earlier, we can say about thirty years back, when people started seeing that this ego is no good, this matter is dominating us, it is falsehood. But another thing they felt very strongly was that they are now not integrated with their heart. There was no joy in anything. They did things without any emotions, they were very emotionless, there were no feelings for anything. It grew quite a lot this feeling, till the war came in, Hitler trying to destroy, and at that time with the incoming of Hitler, people who see the ego of Hitler and they started seeing that reflection within themselves, that how Hitler could destroy this world by pampering the ego of the people by saying that “You belong to a higher race” and all those things. And this gave them a big shock and this big shock made the young people of that time feel that this is not the proper way of our progress. And that’s why there is a big disparity in the old people, say who ruled India and the people who are today Indian citizens or who are young people there. The whole idea of ego became very subtle. They thought it was a show off, if they over-did something, it was too formal. They believed in casual life and they wouldn’t accept anything that was over ego-oriented. But once the ego has developed too much, you cannot get out of it. The more you try to fight it, the more it will sit on you. It’s not possible. And the superego, which once suppressed, can be so suppressed that you just become nothing but ego. And the ego then envelops the heart. Because one of the auras around the heart which I will be discussing later is also from your Swadishtana chakra. And the whole Swadishtana chakra can go round and can completely encompass your heart. And there is a dislocation between your heart and your head. There’s a disintegration. Sometimes, with shocks in life, also a person’s ego is challenged. As I was telling you that we have to be very kind to our wife and to our husband. If their ego is challenged, gradually after three four shocks, they get disintegrated. We give them diseases. We give them horrible things. We have no business to do these things. This is sinful. First of all, to marry someone with all the show and with all the things and then to make somebody unhappy because you have a ego or hurt somebody’s ego by which making that person emotionally dry. Then a society which is extremely dry develops. This dry society cannot even value the children. Matter becomes the most important thing. Material possessions become more important. Then all human relationships are ended up and sacrificed at the altar of this ego. Well, these people, after all, are human beings, they have an emotional being within them, which suffers. So to be emotional, people take to drugs and things as I told you, to alcohols. Alcohol’s gross is much more with this kind of a society. Just to escape the tortures of ego, they become alcoholic. Once they become alcoholic, the superego starts developing. It starts pushing the ego on one side and the wobbling starts and the confusion starts. This alcohol, which has been denounced by every Primordial Master, because they were supposed to look after your attention, because the attention, not only gets spoilt but your values go down. Values about human’s chastity, values about your own chastity, values about your own dignity, I mean you can do anything if you pamper this, I mean, people do such undignified things, that if you take a photograph or even a picture of such people, they would be shocked that they were behaving like this. So first of all, the dignity, the human dignity goes down, the sanctity of marriage is lost and all the values that are built up in your attention as a human being, through all great blessings of these great saints and great Prophets drops off. One by one, you start reasoning without any values for anything. You do not value anything but your ego. Even your material possessions are there to suggest your ego. That’s how a person becomes a dry personality. In these circumstances, he thinks that he must also overpower God’s powers. Sometimes such things came up, that people wanted to have powers like God. And they want to challenge God, and they want to say, “There is no God. How are we to believe there is God?” Because the ego is such a blind thing that you just allow it to think about God and your relation to God. It’s such a blinding thing. It makes you sometimes so stupid. As I’ve told you, last time it was said in the seminar we had, that it really makes you absolutely stupid. Now the Vishuddhi chakra is the thing which has started the ego within us, in the sense that the superego, the conditioning that was in a society was challenged by Shri Krishna. Shri Krishna was a man who was a witness of the play. He is the one who is the Primordial Being, in the sense He is the one who rises to meet the whole. He is the Virata. And this Being, Shri Krishna, is the one who taught us to witness, through Gita. Now in short, I will explain to you something about Gita. And try to understand, because it is a very subtle thing to understand Gita and to read Gita. There are - I don’t know how many criticisms of Gita written already- but nobody seems to have hit at the real points of Gita. Krishna was the incarnation of divine diplomacy, divine diplomacy. Divine diplomacy is a thing by which I also play tricks on you. Because if I cannot give you Realization, if you are too argumentative, you try to be a mediocre, then I put you into such situations that you start seeing the point that you are missing the real goal. Now Gita is nothing but a complete exposition of his talent as a diplomat. For that, one has to understand the tricks of Shri Krishna. First of all, in the very beginning, at the very outset, in the second chapter in Gita, He says that you become a ‘sthitha pragnya’, means that you become a Realized soul, you become a ‘gnyani’, means a person whose awareness is enlightened. Of course, in India, as everywhere, there are people who think, “Gnyani is a brahmin who has read many books”. It means you should have your Realization so that your awareness is enlightened. This is first thing He said at the very outset because He’s not a business man, you see. So, He says the thing that is there. He only tells this to Arjuna to know who He is because He is a diplomat and He knows how people were at that time, that He is not going to tell them that He is an incarnation and that He is not going to tell them what is the truth. Because if you tell them the truth, they will hit you hard, He knew this very well. So He said this to Arjuna, who is his bhakta, who is his devotee, that, “You achieve that”.But Arjuna at that time is a mediocre. He couldn’t understand, because He said that, “You are a saint, you become a witness to achieve your Self-realization. And then you go for war to kill people”. They couldn’t understand, how can that be? I should kill them before; after the witnessing, how can I kill them? Even if they are cruel, even if they are wrong, I cannot do it after Realization, because after Realization, I will have to be compassionate. This is the mediocracy of Arjuna. It’s a very subtle point, I think you catch the point. So Krishna says- He understands. He immediately understands, “Oh, that diplomacy is needed now, it won’t work out to say it straightforward, much”. Like, I would say a son is sitting out of the hut trying to drive a horse cart. Now the father comes out of the hut and the son says, “This cart is not moving, how to do it?” So he said that, “At the first, bring the horse in front of the cart. Unless and until it is connected through the horse, it won’t move.” You have to get connected to the horse, that is the atma, to the Spirit. So he says that, “You are saying that I have to move the cart, and now you are asking me to move the horse. How can that be?” Then father understands that this one is not going to be handled easily. So, he plays the trick on him. He says, “All right. Let it be at the back. But you think, you believe that it is the horse which is pulling the cart. You believe it.” Now how Krishna has said it is even beautifully, more beautifully than this analogy. I gave you this analogy to see the trick of Shri Krishna. And He had to play because people are so mediocre. Since the six thousand years they have been believing into something nonsensical, that you will see now.He [Arjuna] said that, “If I kill people, then I will have the karmas within me. And after my Realization - how will I get my Realization? If I get my Realization, then I cannot kill.” These were his ideas about Realization. What Krishna said that, “You get your Realization, and then whatever you do is in the name, is really, fully in order to God. If you have to kill, you have to kill! You have to kill the devils; you have to kill the rakshasas.” The idea that if you kill somebody, it’s something wrong - I mean, supposing today, Hitler was to come, to spare him physically is wrong. Will you spare a snake? You will have to kill. And He said, “Nobody is killed there” and that’s a fact. Nobody dies. As I told you that the Spirits cannot be killed [unsure] this will only put them out of the stage just now. So Krishna says that, “You should first become Realized, become a witness, then you are just an instrument in the hands of God. And He uses you for what He likes, and you do whatever He says. If He says you have to kill, you have to kill. If He says don’t kill, you don’t kill.” Because the power starts flowing through you. Now, your own concept of compassion is wrong. How can you be compassionate with people, that one man can destroy the whole world? Are you to be compassionate to that man? For what? The greatest compassion is to him, is to put him out. After all controls, God is watching. This is the way to stop action. That is what Krishna said. But Arjuna didn’t understand. He said, “Still, how can get rid of karmas?’, and he had those theories. How to get rid of the karma. So Krishna played a trick with him. He said, “All right” . He put a very absurd condition. This is what is the essence of diplomacy is to put an absurd condition and befool a person so that when he reaches a stage and understands that it’s absurd, then he gives it up. Otherwise, he will not. So, He told Arjuna that, “Very good, you do not want Realization, go ahead. You do all your karmas. And you put the fruit of the karmas at the lotus feet of the God. That’s what you do, so you won’t have any karmas upon yourself.” This is an absurd thing. Before Realization, it cannot happen. It cannot happen. Before Realization, your ego remains as it is, as you see, it is not sucked in. Subtler it will become, you’ll become very humble and very kind and this, but still the ego is there. Ego is there means, it’s a state of your mind, which is covered with ego. It has to be sucked in by the actualization and actual happening. Not just saying that, “Oh you are very humble”. Some of the egoistical people are extremely humble because that suits them, extremely. But inside it’s the ego there. Ego is there. Till it is sucked in, you cannot fight it, you cannot drive it out, you cannot get out of it. It has to be sucked in. To suck that ego, kundalini has to rise, you have to get your Realization. You have to become the Self and not the ego, your identification with ego must drop. That’s only possible if you become the Spirit. But He said, “All right, doesn’t matter. What you do, is to do your karmas. Then go on hitting the cart but put all your attention on the horse, and your cart will move”. It will never move is the point, the absurdities. So He gave such a proposition by which the horse does not move. And after some time you find, “What is it? The cart is just there. I am putting everything I am supposed to be putting everything on the horse. Nothing doing. It’s not connected. It is just there.” Once this confusion is reached then you take your Realization and actualization. This is the point. Unless and until this absurdity is dawned upon you, you will never accept. Because you are asking questions, “Why should you do it?” “Why should he do it?” “Why?” So He says, “All right, go ahead.” So this is the karma theory that started, that whatever karmas you do, you put at the lotus feet of God. So it’s a misbelief. He put you into a maya, into illusion. That was important. At that stage, it was important to put you into illusion. Because you would not accept even. See, if you have to take out the butter, you cannot do it with a straight finger, you have to make your finger bent a little, it’s like that. So, Arjuna said, “What about dharma? What about devotion to God? These are organized visions, churches, and our temples and all. What about that?” Till that also, he was [?]. He says that, “Patram pushpam phalam toyam yo me.” “Whatever is the fruit, whatever is the flower, or whatever is the water you give me, I will take it. I’ll take all that. But if you give me a flower, I’ll take it.” But by giving, He is very clever, which I don’t know if people have seen the point or not. He says, “By giving, by that you do ‘ananya bhakti’, that is ‘ananya’. Now the word ‘ananya’ is the word, which is the real devotion: a-nanya, it means when you are not the other, when you are Realized. You can only do bhakti when you are Realized, ananya. The person who’s ananya, means the one who is not the other: you become one with God, then you do the bhakti. Very clearly, He said that, “You do ananya bhakti”. Ananya devotion, means devotion when you are not the other, when you are Realized. Before that, what’s the devotion? Very cleverly said, but nobody sees the point. I’ve been asking people; the other day a gentleman came from a cult, “What does mean Shri Rama, Shri Krishna, Shri Rama, Shri Krishna.” This is not ananya bhakti. Ananya bhakti means when there is no other, means you become Realized. This is the essence of this bhakti Yoga. In bhakti Yoga, He has said that, “You have to become one with your Spirit.” Also by saying ananya, and by karmas, Karma Yoga is also the same type, “Whatever work you do you put at the lotus feet of the Lord.” You cannot do it, absurd condition. But after Realization, what happens to you that you do not say, “I do it”. You say, “It’s moving”, “It’s coming”, “It’s rising”, “It’s starting”. “It”, third person. You just say “it”. You don’t say, “I am getting the kundalini”, you don’t say, never. “It is coming”, because you know you are not, you feel that. Because its flowing from you, you have become aware of that. You say, “It is going”, “It is coming”, “It is not coming”. You don’t say, “I am giving Realization to myself or to anybody”. Like a lady came with Me to America. And she told Me that, “Mother, You must give Realization to my son”. I said, “All right. Let him come.” He came all the way from [inaudible], and the kundalini was frozen, it wouldn’t rise. She said, “Mother please give him Realization.” I said, “You are a Realized soul. You try to treat him”. Or give him a certificate that he is a Realized soul. She said, “How can I do? He is not. And why not? It’s a good idea, you are listening to my recording morning till evening, to give him Realization. You say you are Realised. Why do you say you are Realized? If I were you, I would say, “Baba you are Realized. Now get out of here”. Because I knew that the Kundalini doesn’t rise. It’s a frozen kundalini. I said, “Why don’t you do it?” She said, “How can I?” I know she is not Realized. She doesn’t give vibrations. How can I take?” I said, “That’s what it is.” The kundalini has to rise. That means that you know it is beyond your ego. It is beyond you. You cannot do it. You must have that authority within you, then only you can do it. As long as there is authority. You are doing it, that’s why that ego means an illusion that you are doing something. Because you don’t do anything. What do you do? As I told you, all dead work. Dead to the dead. You make a chair or a staircase, “Oh you are a great man!”. So [inaudible] from the mountains, make another mountain, “Oh you are a great architect”. All these are dead energies you are handling, electricity, magnetism, architecture studies. All these things are not living energies. Living energy is the synthesis energy of all the energies. It is ‘prana’ on the right-hand side. On the left-hand side is the ‘mana’, and in the center is the dharma. All these three energies are synthesized are integrated, I should say. [Inaudible] is again dead to the dead. But we can get completely integrated when the light of the Spirit comes in you, and this is the Brahma, is the one that is flowing through your hands, is the Brahma Shakti, is the Brahma. So this was about Gita. But in his childhood, what did He do? We have to understand. In his childhood, people say He just tried some things [unsure]. No He was not. As I knew from my very childhood, people knew from his very childhood. He played with the Gopis when He was about four years of age, you see. There’s a guru who said, “He is Shri Krishna. That’s why he makes you naked there”. Imagine, you are four years of age, and this guru is, I think, 50 years of age. Is it the same? If at four years age, like an innocent child, He just started to make them naked because He wanted to raise their Kundalini as a child. He could try. [Inaudible]. He climbed on the backs of the people and made them just light, made the Kundalini rise. He does it many a time, He uses that [?]. I think that’s the best way. And I told him, “Why don’t you do it in your village?” He said [?]. There are your feet there [unsure] But I must do some [unclear] with the car”. So the child of four years, playing with the Gopis. When they were carrying the small pots with water on their heads, He would break those pot. Because Ra-dha, ‘ra’ means energy, ‘dha’ means the one who sustains it. Ra-dha, She is the Mahalakshmi. Radha, the one who sustains the energy. She used to have her bath in the river Jamuna, and used to vibrate the water. And the Gopis, the ladies, used to go and fill their pitchers with that water, which was a vibrated water. And He would just break that pitcher from the back, so the water would fall on the back giving them Realisation; see the trick of the child. In those days, there was no [unclear] and hall, nor such good seekers, one could not talk of seeking in a village of Gokul. So He tried these tricks of breaking the pitcher, make the water fall on the back, so that the Kundalini would be able to arise. Then He has also his Gopis can go dancing with their hands. It’s called ra-sa. ‘Ra’ means ‘energy’, ‘sa’ means ‘with’. Radha used to be there. She’s there and she used to hold their hands, and they used to all dance and the energy is imparted to them. But She was the incarnation of the Energy and He was the incarnation of the Primordial Being. That’s different. Nowadays, you find people holding your hands and passing dead spirits. It’s horrible! It is satanic! Such a thing should never be done, it causes lots of problems. [Inaudible] especially, emotionally, it’s a horrid stuff to do like this, holding hands and passing spirits. Or some sort of a man sitting in the Himalayas [inaudible]. If they are Realized souls, they’ll never pass it. Because they understand [inaudible]. They will never trouble you. They’ll never possess you. Now when you understand that She was Radha, and the energy was passing through them [inaudible]. And He used to play another thing, very beautiful. He used to climb over a pyramid of the boys, on top to get some butter. But the people need it. So his mother used to hang it high so that they could not reach there. He used to take a small stick and hit it and all the butter used to go on them [unsure session]. [Inaudible session] First of all, standing on the top of their heads, [inaudible] Sahasrara. There was a gentleman who got his Realization in [inaudible]. [Inaudible session] He had never heard about Shri Krishna. He didn’t know all that. And before getting Realization, he went into his subconscious areas and where he finds a very big Shri Krishna. And he described what he made like a pyramid, all these things and how he falls down. And then he saw other things also there, which you can read the book and see for yourself. But butter, Shri Krishna is very fond of butter. Why? It is at this point [Hamsa] you need butter for your Vishuddhi. If you have got sinus trouble, you heat some butter and take a dropper and pour the heated butter in the nose, regularly, for 3-4 days. Your sinus will be all right. It’s a very simple medicine. You just try it. Your colds will be all right. Why? Because the inner membrane of the nose due to our breathing becomes very, very dry, or we can say cracked. As our hands can get cracked. Now if the butter is put say, even on the soup, we used to do before. Nowadays, people have become so butter-conscious, that they don’t put it. On the soup, you see, the butter on the soup, just goes and lines up the trachea, these places and the throat and these glands. Even the [inaudible] is lined up, you see, so that the whole thing becomes very much soft. Even if you have any problem, you can rub hot butter in here. Now the butter has double quality. It is a soft milk fat, plus salt. Salt is the quality of the Gurus. So the combination of Guru and the butter, as we gargle with the salt, osmosis takes place. It has a very deep significance. Now this center is manifested outside, as I told you as sixteen sub-plexuses, which govern our nose, eyes, throat, our neck, ears and also the outside of our eyes, the eye lids and also little muscles that control, and so many things by this one center. Sixteen are the petals also of this center, Vishuddhi chakra. Vishuddhi means without, vi-shuddhi, ‘vi’ means ‘absence of’, I mean it is so ‘shuddha’, it’s so holy, that everything is absent, vishuddha is the meaning of this center. Means it is absolutely holy and that’s why He is a sakshi, He is a witness.He tried to break our conditionings in a different way from Freud. Our first conditioning we had, in those days, that a wife and husband relationship was too conditioned. And the wife was dominated by husband, by all family people, and they used to torture everybody. In his time, a woman was treated just like a slave in the house in those days. Somehow it worked out. Because women had to be very chaste, to be very good, but the man was dominating and it was a big family’s system that developed. And with this, people started getting strangled in that family system which had become dead. So, He wanted to [inaudible]. He said that, “There is no harm in mixing with men as brothers and sisters. We have to be pure in heart and they are all brothers and sisters, we should mix up and we should have proper relationship with each other, understand that this is my wife, this is my husband, and others are my brothers and sisters”. Because it was not allowed for any woman even to get out of houses in those days. It was so much [?] because the mothers-in-law were very strong and they would not allow the daughters to go out. The whole episode of Krishna in Gokul is like this. And all the stories and songs are like that. That a wife says to the husband, “Oh my sisters-in-law are a weight, how will I [inaudible].” So all the story of love, of love between husband and wife, He started. Now He didn’t have Sahaja Yogis as I have today, and disciples around. And He had to permeate his powers, the sixteen thousand powers He had, at this chakra. This chakra is represented here in the head, in front. It’s called as Virata chakra, means the one he became when he became the Primordial Being. So, to have those sixteen thousand conducting human beings, He had to play a drama. He was a great dramatist. He made them take birth as women and he got them arrested by a king. Now a social problem was created. These women were with that man. So, according to Indian standards, they are all finished. They have no value. They are all gone women. Though they were by forcing, not with their own will, but in India any woman, who is even taken by force, at the time of Sita, it has happened. So she should be discarded as Rama did, as I told you last time. So He attacked this king and got all these sixteen thousand with Him. So people said, “You have got these sixteen thousand women, who are not to be accepted in the society, so what will you do? Nobody is going to marry.” He said, “I will marry them.”[Inaudible] you see, actually they were his powers and He married them. He said, “I will marry sixteen thousand.” It’s all a play, you see it’s the play of the Virata. He married those sixteen thousand. Now the five elements that He wanted to control. He said, “I want to hold on them, we have to have everybody [inaudible]. So He created five women and He married them also. Now many people say, “Oh Krishna has married sixteen thousand and had five queens and this and that.” Are you Shri Krishna? Are you Virata? Have you got even one power to flow through? If you have one, you can flow through yours. He is the one with sixteen thousand powers and these powers permeated on this earth to give us an awareness by which we felt that there is God beyond, that there is a Macrocosm, that we have to achieve that wholesomeness, that we have to become a witness of the play of the whole. He made us conscious of Macrocosm at that time. He said in Gita that, “The Spirit that is within you never dies. It again and again comes back to give you Realization and when you die, the Spirit does not die”. "Nainam chindanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavakah, na chainam kledayanty apo, na sosayati marutah" (Bhagawat Gita, chapter two, verse 23). You cannot kill it with a weapon, neither you can burn it with fire, neither wind can blow it off, neither anything can suck it. To prove this, Christ came on this earth. To prove what Krishna had said, Christ came on this earth to show that Spirit is eternal. They are all one together. We are the people who cannot see Them like that and sometimes it shocks people when I tell them about the relationship of Shri Krishna and Christ is so close. Christ, the name Christ came from the word ‘Krishi’, and Krishi word means the farming. That means Krishna came on this earth to sow the seed.[END OF PART 1]. [PART 2]. [The relation between] Krishna and Christ is extremely close. But I don’t want to shock you by telling about the relationship they had. Because if there are Christians, they’ll be shocked. If there are Hindus, they’ll be shocked. And if I tell all this to Muslims, they’ll be absolutely [unclear]. When Muhammad sahib said, ‘Allah Hu Akbar’, Akbar is the Virata, is Shri Krishna. If you don’t mind, I would like to tell you, you put your hands to see if I’m telling the truth or not, that Christ was the son of Shri Krishna. When he talks of his father with his two hands, these are the fingers of Shri Vishnu and Shri Krishna. This is Shri Krishna’s hand. And it is Shri Krishna who called him Mahavishnu in the heavens. And mad hi more powerful than his father.He was specially created by Radha who was the subtle energy, who came on this earth as the Mother of Christ. Christ’s mother was a lady who lived like a potent energy for Christ. Except for Him, nobody knew. That’s why at the cross He says, “Behold the Mother.”That’s very important. And He was one of the greatest principle sons of your Mother. Radha incarnated on this earth and She brought this immaculate conception. The whole story about it is in the Devi Mahatmya [Bhagavatam], when the Goddess created Mahavishnu out of an egg, and that’s why on the Easter, you celebrate the egg. Egg is the suggestion of you being the egg and the next birth. Easter suggests the second birth of human beings. The name of Jesus also comes from the word Yeshoda. Yeshoda was the foster mother of Shri Krishna and Radha thought that her name must be brought in because she was also another power. So, Yeshoda is called also as Jesoda in the northern parts where Krishna lived. She was called actually like Jesoda and the small form of Jesoda is Jesu. And that’s why He was called as Jesu or Yesu. In Indian languages He is called as Yesu, [?] Jesu. And even in Hebrew, He is called as Yesu, not as Jesu. You see this Y and J like Yugoslavians and all these people use, is a confusion between Y, ya and ja. And these two words are confused in the world, Yesu or Jesu. He came with such powers according to the Devi Mahatmya [Bhagavatam], that He became the supreme support. He is the support at the Mooladhara chakra. He is the one who is Ganesha at Mooladhara chakra. He’s the support of the whole universe. And Krishna placed Him higher than Himself because He incarnated higher than Him [at Agnya], and Shri Krishna is there. If I say that, you should see the vibrations yourself. Just see on the vibrations. The crucifixion of Christ, which I will tell you later on, is another drama. It’s another drama to be played. Now see the difference between the 6000 years and 2000 years of Christ. So the 4000 years passed in between. In those 4000 years, lots of things were to be decided and it was decided that Christ should be born in Jerusalem, in these places that we can call [inaudible]. Because that was the place which was to be attacked again by the Divine forces and always most of these Primordial Masters, they are called as gurus, they are born in that area, as Zoroaster. You see, most of these people like Mohammed Sahib, Shri Zoroaster, one after another, three of them came. One personality came first.Then Mohammad Sahib came in there, then Moses came in, Abraham came in, all these people were born in that area. And then Christ came in [inaudible]. He thought that would be the best place where these great Primordial Masters have worked [inaudible] and that they will be able to understand. But people as they are, they killed Mohammad Sahib, they also killed Christ. They never listened to Moses, never listened to Christ. People are like that and today I find many people who call themselves Christians are the people who were there to enjoy His crucifixion, who liked it, supported it and crucified Him. Today they are moving with a Bible in their hand saying that this is this, this is this. So unauthorized, so dangerous! Now it is better sometimes to read what Krishna has to say about Christ. But just now today as we are first dealing with the Vishuddhi chakra, I’ll talk about Christ later on.Vishuddhi chakra has two other points, which are very important within us. I have to take this up because you people are suffering from Left Vishuddhi. Left Vishuddhi is on the left-hand side and right on the right-hand side. Right hand side Vishuddhi is the Vishuddhi when He was the king and called as Vitthala and His wife Rukmini. They lived in Dwarika [unsure]. This is the ‘raj’, or you can say the ‘rajasa’, means the kingliness or the action, where He wanted to act as a king, is on the right-hand side.The left-hand side is the one where He was born and in his early life, when He had a sister. His sister was actually the daughter of Yeshoda who was sacrificed, it’s a big story, how Krishna was born in a jail and was taken by his father and put it in a place called Gokul. And the child in that place who was a girl was sent and She is the one who appears as the lightning in the air. And how She became the lightning when She was killed and announced that, “Your killer is still alive.” to the horrible rakshasa who was actually the brother of Krishna’s mother. And it was announced that the eighth child of this Devaki, his sister, Kamsa’s sister, Kamsa is a rakshasa, is a devil, will kill him. And this frightened him so much that he started killing all the children that were born to this Devaki, his sister, who was put in the jail.The last one was Shri Krishna and when He was born, everybody slept off and the doors opened up and His father carried Him in a basket, just like Moses story it is, and crossed the river Yamuna and when the river touched Shri Krishna’s feet it again went down, crossed over, went to Gokul, put the child there, took the child of Nand- Yeshoda and brought the child back and he placed it. When the child was replaced, you see, it was a girl. So Kamsa came and said, “The eighth is girl, how can it be?” So then he just found the girl and She went up and She announced that, “The killer of you, Kamsa is born and is living very much and He is going to kill you, beware.” And then the story is that how He tried to kill him, so that, we don’t have to bother about that. But the main thing I’m telling, was this sister of Shri Krishna. Now the Left Vishuddhi problem starts when we get confused about sisters’ relationship or the pure relationships like a mother, this is Mr. Freud’s business, you see. All kinds of confusions, creating problems about relationships with other men, other women, there’s no understanding. Anyone who is married, unmarried, anything cast eyes towards someone, to have adulterous eyes towards others. That’s why Krishna- Christ at this point had to say, there is no sanctity in the eyes, that’s why He said that, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. But that’s not possible without Realization, I have seen, when we have [inaudible]. So all these perverse ideas about men and women relationships are there, and in the subconsciously they create a guilt. You know it’s wrong, you know, at the base of your heart, you know that. But the ego has gone so much there, people say, “What’s wrong?” That’s why I see people in the West are at least innocent. They know it is not wrong. But in the East, in India, people know it is wrong, still they do wrong, means they are not innocent people at all, they know this is wrong and still they do, then they are not innocent. So all those Indians, who try to do these things knowingly that it is wrong, are the wrong type of people because they have lost their innocence. Now this is one of the things why we catch on Left Vishuddhi, very much in West. But the second one is even- another thing is just to sit down and analyse yourself. This is basically, some sort of a funny sort of a guilt that is built in us. Or sometimes it is the superego, some sort of a possession, you start analysing and just murdering yourself morning till evening. “I should not have said this”, “Why did I do it?”, “I should not have gone there”, “I should not”. May be it is Catholicism. It could be anything. Jews also go and weep and they go on repenting things, and when you have repented, finished. If you have repented then it is finished. Why are you go on, still carrying on with the guilt within you? And this left-sided is too much. So much so that My hand gets really paralyzed with the vibrations flowing all the time, this left side. That’s why I say, you go on saying one mantra. “I am not guilty”, “I am not guilty”, “I am not guilty”. Because you go on suggesting to yourself that you are not guilty. All the time sitting down and analysing yourself. And also the society is like this, from the very beginning we are told, “You should not have done this, you should have done this. This, you should not have done, this carpet is spoilt, that is spoilt”. So the whole thing builds like a guilt. For nothing at all you are guilty, I mean it’s such a fake stuff. And you believe in that and the gurus play on it. They say, “These are your karmas”. So, you are doomed in. So, on the Left Vishuddhi, you have this guilt business. On the Right Vishuddhi, you are extremely talkative and you are being arrogant. Such people can be great orators, they can shout at the top of their voices, they can control people with their oratory. The right side with which they built that kind of an action, is their style. There are so many things one has to say about [inaudible] comes in, and how it becomes a [inaudible] and all efforts. Let it be, don’t complicate it. [unsure]. So now this is how you develop the complications on the left and the right sides. When the center is upset, then you take the responsibility of everything on yourself. You are running like a mad horse. You are like a bull, I should say. And you do all the gross job. And you think, “Oh you are such a nice man, in your heart”. You feel, “Oh, I will have that” or “I’ll get it, I will do it”. You take the responsibility of the whole world upon your head and you start saying, “Oh I feel so bad that I could not help in Vietnam”. You cannot help, how are you connected? “I’m so bad with Cambodia. I should have done something.” You cannot do it. By just sitting in Australia, you look after Australian problems, Sydney problems, family problems and your own problems! Start it from there. ‘Charity begins at home’. People always try to see the problems of another. Like if I’m there and you tell Me, “Why there’s poverty in India?” Really, very seriously they ask Me the question. I said, “Who is responsible for your own poverty is”. That, “Why don’t you think of your own problems?” When I am in your Australia, I’m out and out. When I am in India, I am in India out and out. Why would you be anguish [unsure]. That’s how you should be also. You need to face your problems, what are your problems? These are the problems, that you feel guilty for nothing at all. You’ve being conditioned like that. And then if you get out of the guilt, you become egoistical. You say, “I hate you” and when you quarrel, “bapre”, you really bark. There’s no softness anymore. It’s such a horrible voice starts coming that I knew that Australians are fighting. When you take to drinking, you go to the other side. I mean, when we were coming to Australia, they were blaming. They were drinking so much and talking so much after that, nobody could sleep even for a minute. And so loudly they were talking that I was thinking even fish market in Bombay is better than that. [Laughter] And they had lost all capacity to understand that there are people who want to sleep and they are talking so loudly that like a there was a mouth piece near their lips, the way they were on and on and on, all of them talking very loudly. You go to a reception, you don’t see any meeting, you talk, all right. But the other one doesn’t listen to you, you don’t listen to him. You go on talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, very fast. You just don’t know what they are talking, what you are talking. They say, “Yes, yes, yes.” You nod your head and he nods his head, and you don’t know what they are talking, what they are saying, and then you say, “Oh, I’ve been to a reception”[inaudible]. Then you come out and go to another reception, go to another reception [unclear], And such and such come in; you shake hands, all right. Such a sad perspective, what is the need? It’s all, there’s no rapport, there’s no understanding. And if there is, it is for flirting, that’s all, which is another one, I told you, is nothing but the play of the spirits through your eyes. That’s why Christ had shown you and He said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes. Any Christian who has adulterous eyes should know that first step to Christianity is not there. He said it so clearly. So very clearly, emphatically he told you, to understand that your eyes are very important and they have to be pure. They have to be honest and pure eyes I like the way people in Australia like my honesty of telling them anything that is honest. It's so sweet of you because some things can be quite hard. To believe and to take it, though I speak softly about them, I am very clever to put it through. But the way you see it, because perhaps you see that honesty in Me. I am not here to please you or to displease you, but to tell you the truth in such a way that you will not get a shock and you start absorbing it. Because that is what you are asking for. So at this stage, the awareness becomes collectively conscious, started becoming collectively conscious. This is the beginning of it. But now the incoming of Christ, the advent of Christ was specially described. Thousands of years back, it was started with an egg. It was created with three Pranava, the Omkara, ‘logos’ as we call it. The sound that is the complete energy, Omkar, as you can say, the word. You can say the word. He is that energy embodied, because He had to prove that the Spirit is eternal. He is the Spirit. At all these centers, He is there. These vibrations are nothing but a emission or manifestation of His being. So He cannot be killed, because He is the Spirit. He cannot be dead, He cannot be destroyed. Because He’s just the energy of Spirit. That was the embodiment of Christ, that He was brought on this earth and He was crucified suggestive of this gate here He had to penetrate. This very important gate here, which is the Agnya chakra, which He had to penetrate. By penetrating this, He created a space in the ego and the superego. This space is the space where they say that, “Christ is the one who has taken the sins of the human beings in Him”. He is the lamb that was sacrificed. In the olden India, they used to sacrifice lambs. If you have done anything bad, you take a lamb and sacrifice it at the altar of the cross. Those who do not know about Christ are still doing it. And those who know about Christ also sacrifice [inaudible]. So the karma theory finishes off at the point where Christ came in. Because He is the one who is capable of sucking your ego and superego, both. On one side He sucks your ego, on the other side He sucks your superego. He is the one who drove the spirits into the pigs and the pigs were dragged into the sea. I mean He did so many such things, but because of these disciples, it is not depicted fully. But He so clearly showed that there are spirits and that you have nothing to do with the dead. But the Christians, who call themselves Christians, are just anti-Christ in this aspect. They’ll have all the dead bodies in the church and sitting on the layers of dead bodies, all the spirits hovering around, your children are attacked and you are attacked. I am not against the church. Church if it is for the Realized souls, is a very [good?] thing. There is no reliability in a church where they do not have Christ in there. Christ is the Spirit. If the church tries hard to be reborn, then it is a church. Otherwise, the rest of the things are just lip services. They are lip services. Now another thing, all the Christians, all the Christian nations are very much interested in all kinds of these dead things and clairvoyance. “Oh I am told that there are some clairvoyance”, they are very, very flourishing people. It is very dangerous to go near them. Cancer, blood cancer, epilepsy, heart attacks, accidents, financial ruin, all these things can come to you through these mediums. You have no control over them. They say she is very good lady, he is very good gentleman. He may be good or bad but what about the ones which are coming in. Can you see them? You know who are coming? It’s like having a licence without any passes without any exams. Why go to the dead? But the Christian nations are resembling England, which is supposed to be the heart of the universe. Every tenth house, somebody sitting with a ‘planchette’ [to call the dead spirits] talking to the great grandfather to know where there are still in the property, or some such a thing. Every tenth house you see, and so much! Then whatever was less then was completed by the gurus from India. Some of them came out of the jail. They had no place to go, they wore those dresses and went out. They remained planning straight [inaudible]. Then some of them are [inaudible], they are [inaudible], and they became gurus. Whatever they talk is horrible Hindi or horrible Marathi or whatever it is. In Sanskrit, it’s called ?-English. Being English as [inaudible] politically, openly, ego oriented, but these are disturbing [unsure] slyly from superego.And these gurus are making him dance, there’s one who wants Rolls Royce. Last time, he asked for a Rolls Royce. He has got 58, and wanted the 59th. Actually, he was going to buy a [?] but somehow fizzled it out. And that’s how the people are there, and these very ? English people who don’t want to eat their food without the [inaudible] are held by their tails, by these horrible gurus. Without knowing how much they are befooled. And even grown-ups and old elderly lords have hit it. There was one lord’s son who died. He was trying to fly in the air. The father was in it– father and mother were downstairs, father about 70 years of age and wife about 65 and they were trying to fly downstairs and upstairs was the daughter in law and the son. And the son collapsed, he died. So the lady, the wife came and told that, “He is dead”. So they were very happy, he is now gone to heaven, he has achieved his last life. Imagine these lords, these scholarly lords. And some Sahaja Yogis went to tell him, he says, “Don’t tell us, don’t come in our happiness and joy, our son has gone to heaven, and we are all going to go there.” [Inaudible] I can’t understand this. What has happened to their brains? They are told that you take a drum, stand on Oxford street, wear that horrible dress, go on dancing in God’s name and [inaudible], then you’ll go to God. How will you believe such nonsense? And for Sahaja Yogis, I must tell you, I had six of them. All scholars turned into hippies, scholars from Oxford, and from Cambridge. Oxford you know, ford car combined with an Ox. They really, completely exhausted Me. Four years, I worked on them! I said, “Oh God, these stones, what am I to do with them?” They liked the food I cooked, the liked the house I lived, they liked the way I was, everything, but nothing happened to the Kundalini. And then it did happen. Very difficult nuts to break, but now doesn’t matter, they all found . They found out that Sahaja Yoga, it is spontaneous in Sahaja Yoga. Everything points to Sahaja Yoga. Everything points to Kundalini awakening. It’s there, they recognized, even logically they recognized. It’s absolutely logical. I am here because of them, I should say. They always failed. They have a guilt about Australia that they ill-treated people for very little offences, like even stealing the bread and all that. They sent away these people to hell. Now [?] I mean, it’s a heaven. You got heaven in punishment, compared to that dirty London, nowadays. It’s nice to go and see. Every time you go out you have to have an umbrella, even people play football with an umbrella in their hand. It’s a mad place, the [dirtiest?] place I know. But it is in Me. It is the heart of the universe. Everything circulates from there. All your laws, all our governing things, everything comes from there. So I had to work very hard, I know. But now we have really beautiful Sahaja Yogis, which are tremendous. And thanks to William Blake, he has already prophesized so much about Sahaja Yoga, about what will happen, even where I lived, where ashram will be, everything is so much in details. That now things are getting very much better in here. So now, we come back from there, to our Agnya chakra, the center where Christ came in. There is ego and superego. He came at a point which is in the center of the ego and superego, which is controlled by pituitary, the ego is controlled, and the pineal body controls the superego. In between them, at the optic chiasma, in the center of the optic chiasma, He came. That’s why eyes are very important for Me. Because eyes are controlled by this center. There are two petals to that: ‘ham, ksham’. These are the two sounds that come out of those two petals, ham, ksham. On one side, left side, when the person are in superego. They are sadists, that’s how they call them, people who like domination, who like beating up and all, I mean the extreme cases. I mean, in India we do not have this extreme type, we have people who are submissive or we have people who are arrogant, at the most. But this, the husband beating the wife with a hunter or some women liking it, this kind of nonsense I have not heard of. But you see, you go to such extremes in everything whatsoever. “All right. If we have to be suppressed all right, let us get beatings, let us go on suffering.” Why should you suffer? Christ has suffered for you. What is the need for you to suffer, I just don’t understand. And make a drama out of it, “We are suffering”. ‘Les Misérables’ like the French.French are very ‘Les Misérables’, really very difficult people, you can’t carry on with them. They think they are ‘Les Misérables’, making everybody miserable. In the same way, we also take to this kind of an idea, “Oh we are suffering, we are very unhappy people”, We start all sort of nonsensical emotional dramas we play. And “Why are you laughing, why are you enjoying yourself?” Like I went to France. I told you the story. They said, “Mother, don’t say that You are a happy person. They won’t like it. They will say you are not sensitive.” I said, “Really?” Then I went to make fun at the whole stuff. But this is what it is. We go to the extremes, we torture ourselves we go on condemning ourselves, “Oh I am so bad, I am good for nothing, I am useless.” We had a gentleman like that with us. He did only one thing is to read lord Byron That man, you should never read, I tell you. What a life le led! He himself was a horrible, licentious man and he writes about The Prisoner of Chillon. This lord Byron did it. Now he became the prisoner, you see, without any prison, without anything. He is the prisoner, this gentleman, his name is Bonnie [Bonnivard]. And Ronnie is the one who cries in Indian language, ‘Ronie’. So this Mr. Ronnie all the time used to cry, weep, sleep in his bed, have his food in his bed, “I am very sorry, I am this and that.” His mother got fed up with him. Wife ran away, also he cried for that. His son ran away, he cried for that. The mother said that, “You cannot have all this nonsense”. So he cried for that, “She doesn’t love me.” And he came to Me, he said, “Mother I would like to wash your kitchen and do-.” I said, “You see, there is no need, I have got my own people here, staff, you don’t have to clean. Now will you please change your attitude towards life?” He said, “Mother I'll try this, I’ll try that.” I gave him Realization, tried to. But he had these angles. I said all right. We sent him back to his mother. Three days later she rang me up. She said, “You please take your son away from me. I am fed up of him. He has come here, he is weeping in his bed as usual. He has gone back to the same, and he is doing no work. I have to cook for him, otherwise he starves himself. He thinks he is the most miserable man, you better have him.” You see this is the same style, you see, is the superego people, one style. And another one is the aggressive. Actually, the way aggressive people can become also people, because they are afraid of [?]. Like in England, I was surprised, people are very frightened, very frightened. Extremely frightened people. Indians are not like this. I mean if you need anything, you’d better telephone to them rather than go to their house. Otherwise, if you go and knock at their door, they might die of heart failure. They are so frightened, you see, most surprising. Extremely frightened people. And you cannot say anything to them. They just get like this. What are they frightened about? I don’t understand. Extremely frightened people they are. In India it is not so. In India, supposing somebody comes here tonight, immediately you think, “Oh maybe your friend has come, he may be in difficulties”. Immediately the husband would ask the wife, “You have sufficient money in the house? What have you got? Some ornaments? He might need some money. Otherwise why has he come? Or may be some problem with him.” It’s like that. You just open the door immediately, without thinking. And the thieves in India don’t knock at the door and come in. [Laughter] I mean, they are not expert burglars you see, as we have in England. They are naïve still. So their thieving also is mostly of no value. Actually, in my house, in my father’s house, we never locked our houses, never. All our doors were open, morning till evening. And father said, “If you lock the house then people will think, there’s something in the house, that’s why it is locked. Please keep in open.” We leave everything open and anybody can walk in. And in the night, mother fixed it. I mean, we were like that. But now we have learnt how to thieve and how to do things and that’s why the problem is different. All right. So, we have Christ in this place, where this red mark is, sitting at the crossing point. And this crossing point He has done for us. He has taken our karmas, the sins upon himself. The Hindus should now realize that they need not go about with their karma theory, before everyone. They do not want to talk of Christ, because they know their karma theory fails. If He has been sacrificed for our sins, either He was a false guru or we are true gurus. Then how can we build up our karmas? If we become the Spirit all our karmas will be sucked by Christ who is awakened in that. So all the karma theories go away. All the sacrifices go away. All these ideas must go away. And when I talk about these things, Hindus blame Me that, “You are a Christian.” But when I talk about Krishna, the Christians say that, “You are a Hindu.” Some say I am a Muslim, some say I am - what am I? I am a Musulman, because I know all of them are one, in one body, in one personality, they all exist. In one personality, in every human being, and no use disintegrating them and suffering the problems of disintegration. “I am a Christian”, “I am a Muslim”, “I am a this”. You are that because you are born in that. Do you think about it? You accepted it just because you are born in it. What have you got? What did your forefathers get? All your people have been going to the same thing. You are a Hindu, you are doing like a Hindu rituals. If you are Christian you are doing like a Christian rituals. If you are a Muslim you are doing like a Muslim fanatic. It’s all that nonsense you have been doing for ages together. Did you get your Realization? It’s the first point. Even in the Gita, the first thing that is, that it’s through Veda, ‘Vid’ word means to know, and ‘Veda’ means by which you know. If these Vedas cannot make you know, then they are useless. They themselves have confessed it. So, we see here Christ, standing at the gate of three centers, three powers, Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati. He is the one who’s is controlling all these three powers within us. By one power, He controls all our superegos, He controls all the devils and spirits. If you show the cross the devils run away. It’s common. He controls our ego on the right-hand side. Though the Christians are the most ego oriented. Whatever they profess, they are just the opposite. And then He controls the dharma within us by which He makes us rise above towards spirituality, to be the Spirit. He controls that center within us. And this center is the center where your eyes get pure, that your superego at the back is clear, that your ego is sucked in, and from your eyes flows nothing but just compassion. Just compassion, and love of God and the devotees have adoration and nothing else. One lecture is not sufficient to describe Christ. Nor it is sufficient to describe Shri Krishna. I have spoken for hours, days together, and this lecture has taken too much time because I have tackled two very important centers together. I hope you will not sit on certain words or certain thoughts and just try to renounce the truth. This is the truth. I have come here to tell you the truth and not to please you, your ego, to please your ego, or to excite your superego, but to comfort you. And to make you your Self, your Spirit.May God bless you all. [From 1:24:19 on audio 1][Shri Mataji speaks to a seeker]: You have been asking too many questions. You’d better come and sit. All right? That will be better because you must be satisfied. All right? Just too many questions also, why? Just take it. First of all, get Realization. Get Realization. Did you read the book Advent?Seeker: Which one?Shri Mataji: Advent.Seeker: Advent.Shri Mataji: Hum.Seeker: No, no.Sahaja Yogi: Any questions?Seeker: Question about Cosmic consciousness.Shri Mataji: [Laughter]What is cosmic? It’s not cosmic. Cosmic has something to do with your five elements.Seeker: No -Shri Mataji: I know, just a minute. I will tell you. Sit down, sit down.You see cosmic consciousness is a consciousness which develops when you have interest in the matter. Cosmic consciousness, part of it, is shown now by your knowledge of science. This is the cosmos. The Spirit has nothing to do with the cosmos, in the sense, that this matter is just a lamp for the light. Light is the Spirit. The so-called cosmic consciousness is actually achieved by the movement of the mind to the right-hand side, which is the supraconscious area.In this movement, before Realization you are helped by people who are ‘busybodies’ [dead souls], who are anxious people, who are lying on the right-hand side. Like you feel you are flying in the air, you are leaving your body, you are sitting on a tree. Or suddenly doze, some people know dozing, they know about the water, they know where the water is. All these suggestions come to you from the supraconscious area. Sometimes you start knowing about certain stars. There are supraconscious people in Columbia where women take this LSD and there are some drugs like that, if you take to it, you go into supraconscious area. You start seeing colours and formations. Beyond that also these people were so surprisingly supraconscious! You will be amazed that, I asked them, “Why do you have an emblem as the condor, the big eagle.” They said that, “It is because our old Indians told us that once, it can be from India, God. God Vishnu came on a condor in this country”. [Inaudible]. So that kind of a development is not necessary now. That time is over. When people wanted to build up the right side, they tried to create their knowledge on the right side: like using prana, then using all these five elements, the Vedas and all that. Now you are developed, your ego is developed, all right. Now the time of development is such that you have to become the Spirit. You don’t have to, you don’t need it. By your knowledge of cosmic consciousness only, you discovered the ether, you discovered the gravity, you discovered so many things. Now all these things that you have discovered are going to help the Sahaja Yoga. It’s meant for this time. Like you make a stage: for the stage you put lights, you put all adjustments for sound, everything. But the people who have to be on the stage are you. Your job is to be on the stage. You are not to bother about the stage arrangements, that’s all done. That’s all finished. Now you see this mike, it is such a simple thing. You know that this mike, on this magnetic emission, I can put the spiritual power to you, as I told you, it is the lamp that carries the light. So this is the carrier. If I put it here like this, say I put it here, then I know that you can hear Me the same way as if you are hearing Me.

Public Program. Sydney (Australia), 31 March 1981. Actually, yesterday it was announced that we’ll start around seven thirty. And we did not know what to do because he made a mistake and he went on making that mistake on the radio. Today is very interesting topic before us, is to discuss the Vishuddhi chakra, which is placed here behind the base of the neck, and which has got sixteen petals. It manifests outside the cervical plexus in the gross for physical action. As you know, for the emotional side, you have got larynx glands and thyroid is the gland which is placed here.This center, in the evolution, is of greatest importance for human beings, because this center developed its maximum growth when human beings raised their heads from animal stage to become human beings. As animals, the heads were at an angle towards the ground, first it was just touching, parallel, then it was raised higher and higher. Till it came to monkey stage where it was raised slightly higher. And at the human stage only, they raised their heads in a straight line. Straight line was all right. In the straight line it was the balance between the superego and the ego. First, there is superego in the animals when they are looked after by human beings. Animals developed certain conditionings from human beings. Like a dog has to be looked after by human beings. Then the dog is told to do this or that and the conditioning starts. And when this conditioning starts in a dog, he starts developing his superego in a human way. But when a chimpanzee raised his head and tried to become a man, first the head of the first original man was bent like this. In the Ramayana, there is a mention of such race, the missing link, where human beings were half monkeys and half human beings. That’s about eight thousand years back. Now this center was really, fully enlightened by Shri Krishna, who came on this earth in the era called as Dwapara. Rama was in Satya Yuga, and He came in Dwapara. That is about six thousand years back. And Shri Krishna incarnated as one of the incarnations of Shri Vishnu, who is responsible for our evolutionary process. It is only through Shri Vishnu that we evolve. He is the aspect which gives us dharma. Dharma is our sustenance. Through changing our sustenances or our capacities we have evolved. Like, I can say carbon was at Mooladhara chakra. And this carbon, electromagnetic matter, got prana into it by which it started moving as a living thing. This living thing then grew into higher and higher awareness till it reached a stage where you were an animal. And then you had to become a human being. The first human beings were short people. That incarnation of the short people is called as Vamana. Then there were people who became very conscious of the nature around and they wanted to have the mastery over the nature. They started doing all kinds of yagnyas according to the Vedas. Vedas actually worked out right hand side growth of human beings. And they developed people who were good at reciting Veda mantras and all such things that would give us mastery over the five elements. These people when they mastered the five elements, they became very ego oriented, and instead of only keeping the head in the center they started pulling it backwards. By pulling that backwards, they started developing their pituitary, and this pituitary was activated so much that they increased their heights than normal, became greedy people, started thinking about the future and the idea of future started coming into the human beings. It went on till today where the people have tried to master the five elements, they have developed ego to such an extent that they are extremely ego-oriented and this ego engulfs, pushes down the superego as you can see here, the ego that is over-developed can push the superego down. So then in addition to that, people like Freud said that, “Why should we allow ourselves to be conditioned to anything?” It’s only the human beings who can have good conditionings and who can have bad conditionings. But, as the basic wisdom was lacking, you see, gradually we started losing the basic wisdom, and we denied all kinds of conditioning within us, by saying “What’s wrong?”, “What’s wrong?”. And when we went on like this, saying “What’s wrong?”, “What’s wrong?”, what happened was that our ego developed so much, that it pushed the superego. The superego was pushed to such an extent that it could not bear it anymore. So, in the modern times, say about fifty years back, you can say, about twenty-five years back, a new generation started showing its effects. Young generation came up and they felt that the ego is too much, we are too bound to material things. We are instead of enslaving the matter and material powers, we are enslaved by them. This realization started coming into them. Actually, it started, I should say, about sixty years back. But this grew up very well about twenty, twenty-five years back very much, or little earlier, we can say about thirty years back, when people started seeing that this ego is no good, this matter is dominating us, it is falsehood. But another thing they felt very strongly was that they are now not integrated with their heart. There was no joy in anything. They did things without any emotions, they were very emotionless, there were no feelings for anything. It grew quite a lot this feeling, till the war came in, Hitler trying to destroy, and at that time with the incoming of Hitler, people who see the ego of Hitler and they started seeing that reflection within themselves, that how Hitler could destroy this world by pampering the ego of the people by saying that “You belong to a higher race” and all those things. And this gave them a big shock and this big shock made the young people of that time feel that this is not the proper way of our progress. And that’s why there is a big disparity in the old people, say who ruled India and the people who are today Indian citizens or who are young people there. The whole idea of ego became very subtle. They thought it was a show off, if they over-did something, it was too formal. They believed in casual life and they wouldn’t accept anything that was over ego-oriented. But once the ego has developed too much, you cannot get out of it. The more you try to fight it, the more it will sit on you. It’s not possible. And the superego, which once suppressed, can be so suppressed that you just become nothing but ego. And the ego then envelops the heart. Because one of the auras around the heart which I will be discussing later is also from your Swadishtana chakra. And the whole Swadishtana chakra can go round and can completely encompass your heart. And there is a dislocation between your heart and your head. There’s a disintegration. Sometimes, with shocks in life, also a person’s ego is challenged. As I was telling you that we have to be very kind to our wife and to our husband. If their ego is challenged, gradually after three four shocks, they get disintegrated. We give them diseases. We give them horrible things. We have no business to do these things. This is sinful. First of all, to marry someone with all the show and with all the things and then to make somebody unhappy because you have a ego or hurt somebody’s ego by which making that person emotionally dry. Then a society which is extremely dry develops. This dry society cannot even value the children. Matter becomes the most important thing. Material possessions become more important. Then all human relationships are ended up and sacrificed at the altar of this ego. Well, these people, after all, are human beings, they have an emotional being within them, which suffers. So to be emotional, people take to drugs and things as I told you, to alcohols. Alcohol’s gross is much more with this kind of a society. Just to escape the tortures of ego, they become alcoholic. Once they become alcoholic, the superego starts developing. It starts pushing the ego on one side and the wobbling starts and the confusion starts. This alcohol, which has been denounced by every Primordial Master, because they were supposed to look after your attention, because the attention, not only gets spoilt but your values go down. Values about human’s chastity, values about your own chastity, values about your own dignity, I mean you can do anything if you pamper this, I mean, people do such undignified things, that if you take a photograph or even a picture of such people, they would be shocked that they were behaving like this. So first of all, the dignity, the human dignity goes down, the sanctity of marriage is lost and all the values that are built up in your attention as a human being, through all great blessings of these great saints and great Prophets drops off. One by one, you start reasoning without any values for anything. You do not value anything but your ego. Even your material possessions are there to suggest your ego. That’s how a person becomes a dry personality. In these circumstances, he thinks that he must also overpower God’s powers. Sometimes such things came up, that people wanted to have powers like God. And they want to challenge God, and they want to say, “There is no God. How are we to believe there is God?” Because the ego is such a blind thing that you just allow it to think about God and your relation to God. It’s such a blinding thing. It makes you sometimes so stupid. As I’ve told you, last time it was said in the seminar we had, that it really makes you absolutely stupid. Now the Vishuddhi chakra is the thing which has started the ego within us, in the sense that the superego, the conditioning that was in a society was challenged by Shri Krishna. Shri Krishna was a man who was a witness of the play. He is the one who is the Primordial Being, in the sense He is the one who rises to meet the whole. He is the Virata. And this Being, Shri Krishna, is the one who taught us to witness, through Gita. Now in short, I will explain to you something about Gita. And try to understand, because it is a very subtle thing to understand Gita and to read Gita. There are - I don’t know how many criticisms of Gita written already- but nobody seems to have hit at the real points of Gita. Krishna was the incarnation of divine diplomacy, divine diplomacy. Divine diplomacy is a thing by which I also play tricks on you. Because if I cannot give you Realization, if you are too argumentative, you try to be a mediocre, then I put you into such situations that you start seeing the point that you are missing the real goal. Now Gita is nothing but a complete exposition of his talent as a diplomat. For that, one has to understand the tricks of Shri Krishna. First of all, in the very beginning, at the very outset, in the second chapter in Gita, He says that you become a ‘sthitha pragnya’, means that you become a Realized soul, you become a ‘gnyani’, means a person whose awareness is enlightened. Of course, in India, as everywhere, there are people who think, “Gnyani is a brahmin who has read many books”. It means you should have your Realization so that your awareness is enlightened. This is first thing He said at the very outset because He’s not a business man, you see. So, He says the thing that is there. He only tells this to Arjuna to know who He is because He is a diplomat and He knows how people were at that time, that He is not going to tell them that He is an incarnation and that He is not going to tell them what is the truth. Because if you tell them the truth, they will hit you hard, He knew this very well. So He said this to Arjuna, who is his bhakta, who is his devotee, that, “You achieve that”.But Arjuna at that time is a mediocre. He couldn’t understand, because He said that, “You are a saint, you become a witness to achieve your Self-realization. And then you go for war to kill people”. They couldn’t understand, how can that be? I should kill them before; after the witnessing, how can I kill them? Even if they are cruel, even if they are wrong, I cannot do it after Realization, because after Realization, I will have to be compassionate. This is the mediocracy of Arjuna. It’s a very subtle point, I think you catch the point. So Krishna says- He understands. He immediately understands, “Oh, that diplomacy is needed now, it won’t work out to say it straightforward, much”. Like, I would say a son is sitting out of the hut trying to drive a horse cart. Now the father comes out of the hut and the son says, “This cart is not moving, how to do it?” So he said that, “At the first, bring the horse in front of the cart. Unless and until it is connected through the horse, it won’t move.” You have to get connected to the horse, that is the atma, to the Spirit. So he says that, “You are saying that I have to move the cart, and now you are asking me to move the horse. How can that be?” Then father understands that this one is not going to be handled easily. So, he plays the trick on him. He says, “All right. Let it be at the back. But you think, you believe that it is the horse which is pulling the cart. You believe it.” Now how Krishna has said it is even beautifully, more beautifully than this analogy. I gave you this analogy to see the trick of Shri Krishna. And He had to play because people are so mediocre. Since the six thousand years they have been believing into something nonsensical, that you will see now.He [Arjuna] said that, “If I kill people, then I will have the karmas within me. And after my Realization - how will I get my Realization? If I get my Realization, then I cannot kill.” These were his ideas about Realization. What Krishna said that, “You get your Realization, and then whatever you do is in the name, is really, fully in order to God. If you have to kill, you have to kill! You have to kill the devils; you have to kill the rakshasas.” The idea that if you kill somebody, it’s something wrong - I mean, supposing today, Hitler was to come, to spare him physically is wrong. Will you spare a snake? You will have to kill. And He said, “Nobody is killed there” and that’s a fact. Nobody dies. As I told you that the Spirits cannot be killed [unsure] this will only put them out of the stage just now. So Krishna says that, “You should first become Realized, become a witness, then you are just an instrument in the hands of God. And He uses you for what He likes, and you do whatever He says. If He says you have to kill, you have to kill. If He says don’t kill, you don’t kill.” Because the power starts flowing through you. Now, your own concept of compassion is wrong. How can you be compassionate with people, that one man can destroy the whole world? Are you to be compassionate to that man? For what? The greatest compassion is to him, is to put him out. After all controls, God is watching. This is the way to stop action. That is what Krishna said. But Arjuna didn’t understand. He said, “Still, how can get rid of karmas?’, and he had those theories. How to get rid of the karma. So Krishna played a trick with him. He said, “All right” . He put a very absurd condition. This is what is the essence of diplomacy is to put an absurd condition and befool a person so that when he reaches a stage and understands that it’s absurd, then he gives it up. Otherwise, he will not. So, He told Arjuna that, “Very good, you do not want Realization, go ahead. You do all your karmas. And you put the fruit of the karmas at the lotus feet of the God. That’s what you do, so you won’t have any karmas upon yourself.” This is an absurd thing. Before Realization, it cannot happen. It cannot happen. Before Realization, your ego remains as it is, as you see, it is not sucked in. Subtler it will become, you’ll become very humble and very kind and this, but still the ego is there. Ego is there means, it’s a state of your mind, which is covered with ego. It has to be sucked in by the actualization and actual happening. Not just saying that, “Oh you are very humble”. Some of the egoistical people are extremely humble because that suits them, extremely. But inside it’s the ego there. Ego is there. Till it is sucked in, you cannot fight it, you cannot drive it out, you cannot get out of it. It has to be sucked in. To suck that ego, kundalini has to rise, you have to get your Realization. You have to become the Self and not the ego, your identification with ego must drop. That’s only possible if you become the Spirit. But He said, “All right, doesn’t matter. What you do, is to do your karmas. Then go on hitting the cart but put all your attention on the horse, and your cart will move”. It will never move is the point, the absurdities. So He gave such a proposition by which the horse does not move. And after some time you find, “What is it? The cart is just there. I am putting everything I am supposed to be putting everything on the horse. Nothing doing. It’s not connected. It is just there.” Once this confusion is reached then you take your Realization and actualization. This is the point. Unless and until this absurdity is dawned upon you, you will never accept. Because you are asking questions, “Why should you do it?” “Why should he do it?” “Why?” So He says, “All right, go ahead.” So this is the karma theory that started, that whatever karmas you do, you put at the lotus feet of God. So it’s a misbelief. He put you into a maya, into illusion. That was important. At that stage, it was important to put you into illusion. Because you would not accept even. See, if you have to take out the butter, you cannot do it with a straight finger, you have to make your finger bent a little, it’s like that. So, Arjuna said, “What about dharma? What about devotion to God? These are organized visions, churches, and our temples and all. What about that?” Till that also, he was [?]. He says that, “Patram pushpam phalam toyam yo me.” “Whatever is the fruit, whatever is the flower, or whatever is the water you give me, I will take it. I’ll take all that. But if you give me a flower, I’ll take it.” But by giving, He is very clever, which I don’t know if people have seen the point or not. He says, “By giving, by that you do ‘ananya bhakti’, that is ‘ananya’. Now the word ‘ananya’ is the word, which is the real devotion: a-nanya, it means when you are not the other, when you are Realized. You can only do bhakti when you are Realized, ananya. The person who’s ananya, means the one who is not the other: you become one with God, then you do the bhakti. Very clearly, He said that, “You do ananya bhakti”. Ananya devotion, means devotion when you are not the other, when you are Realized. Before that, what’s the devotion? Very cleverly said, but nobody sees the point. I’ve been asking people; the other day a gentleman came from a cult, “What does mean Shri Rama, Shri Krishna, Shri Rama, Shri Krishna.” This is not ananya bhakti. Ananya bhakti means when there is no other, means you become Realized. This is the essence of this bhakti Yoga. In bhakti Yoga, He has said that, “You have to become one with your Spirit.” Also by saying ananya, and by karmas, Karma Yoga is also the same type, “Whatever work you do you put at the lotus feet of the Lord.” You cannot do it, absurd condition. But after Realization, what happens to you that you do not say, “I do it”. You say, “It’s moving”, “It’s coming”, “It’s rising”, “It’s starting”. “It”, third person. You just say “it”. You don’t say, “I am getting the kundalini”, you don’t say, never. “It is coming”, because you know you are not, you feel that. Because its flowing from you, you have become aware of that. You say, “It is going”, “It is coming”, “It is not coming”. You don’t say, “I am giving Realization to myself or to anybody”. Like a lady came with Me to America. And she told Me that, “Mother, You must give Realization to my son”. I said, “All right. Let him come.” He came all the way from [inaudible], and the kundalini was frozen, it wouldn’t rise. She said, “Mother please give him Realization.” I said, “You are a Realized soul. You try to treat him”. Or give him a certificate that he is a Realized soul. She said, “How can I do? He is not. And why not? It’s a good idea, you are listening to my recording morning till evening, to give him Realization. You say you are Realised. Why do you say you are Realized? If I were you, I would say, “Baba you are Realized. Now get out of here”. Because I knew that the Kundalini doesn’t rise. It’s a frozen kundalini. I said, “Why don’t you do it?” She said, “How can I?” I know she is not Realized. She doesn’t give vibrations. How can I take?” I said, “That’s what it is.” The kundalini has to rise. That means that you know it is beyond your ego. It is beyond you. You cannot do it. You must have that authority within you, then only you can do it. As long as there is authority. You are doing it, that’s why that ego means an illusion that you are doing something. Because you don’t do anything. What do you do? As I told you, all dead work. Dead to the dead. You make a chair or a staircase, “Oh you are a great man!”. So [inaudible] from the mountains, make another mountain, “Oh you are a great architect”. All these are dead energies you are handling, electricity, magnetism, architecture studies. All these things are not living energies. Living energy is the synthesis energy of all the energies. It is ‘prana’ on the right-hand side. On the left-hand side is the ‘mana’, and in the center is the dharma. All these three energies are synthesized are integrated, I should say. [Inaudible] is again dead to the dead. But we can get completely integrated when the light of the Spirit comes in you, and this is the Brahma, is the one that is flowing through your hands, is the Brahma Shakti, is the Brahma. So this was about Gita. But in his childhood, what did He do? We have to understand. In his childhood, people say He just tried some things [unsure]. No He was not. As I knew from my very childhood, people knew from his very childhood. He played with the Gopis when He was about four years of age, you see. There’s a guru who said, “He is Shri Krishna. That’s why he makes you naked there”. Imagine, you are four years of age, and this guru is, I think, 50 years of age. Is it the same? If at four years age, like an innocent child, He just started to make them naked because He wanted to raise their Kundalini as a child. He could try. [Inaudible]. He climbed on the backs of the people and made them just light, made the Kundalini rise. He does it many a time, He uses that [?]. I think that’s the best way. And I told him, “Why don’t you do it in your village?” He said [?]. There are your feet there [unsure] But I must do some [unclear] with the car”. So the child of four years, playing with the Gopis. When they were carrying the small pots with water on their heads, He would break those pot. Because Ra-dha, ‘ra’ means energy, ‘dha’ means the one who sustains it. Ra-dha, She is the Mahalakshmi. Radha, the one who sustains the energy. She used to have her bath in the river Jamuna, and used to vibrate the water. And the Gopis, the ladies, used to go and fill their pitchers with that water, which was a vibrated water. And He would just break that pitcher from the back, so the water would fall on the back giving them Realisation; see the trick of the child. In those days, there was no [unclear] and hall, nor such good seekers, one could not talk of seeking in a village of Gokul. So He tried these tricks of breaking the pitcher, make the water fall on the back, so that the Kundalini would be able to arise. Then He has also his Gopis can go dancing with their hands. It’s called ra-sa. ‘Ra’ means ‘energy’, ‘sa’ means ‘with’. Radha used to be there. She’s there and she used to hold their hands, and they used to all dance and the energy is imparted to them. But She was the incarnation of the Energy and He was the incarnation of the Primordial Being. That’s different. Nowadays, you find people holding your hands and passing dead spirits. It’s horrible! It is satanic! Such a thing should never be done, it causes lots of problems. [Inaudible] especially, emotionally, it’s a horrid stuff to do like this, holding hands and passing spirits. Or some sort of a man sitting in the Himalayas [inaudible]. If they are Realized souls, they’ll never pass it. Because they understand [inaudible]. They will never trouble you. They’ll never possess you. Now when you understand that She was Radha, and the energy was passing through them [inaudible]. And He used to play another thing, very beautiful. He used to climb over a pyramid of the boys, on top to get some butter. But the people need it. So his mother used to hang it high so that they could not reach there. He used to take a small stick and hit it and all the butter used to go on them [unsure session]. [Inaudible session] First of all, standing on the top of their heads, [inaudible] Sahasrara. There was a gentleman who got his Realization in [inaudible]. [Inaudible session] He had never heard about Shri Krishna. He didn’t know all that. And before getting Realization, he went into his subconscious areas and where he finds a very big Shri Krishna. And he described what he made like a pyramid, all these things and how he falls down. And then he saw other things also there, which you can read the book and see for yourself. But butter, Shri Krishna is very fond of butter. Why? It is at this point [Hamsa] you need butter for your Vishuddhi. If you have got sinus trouble, you heat some butter and take a dropper and pour the heated butter in the nose, regularly, for 3-4 days. Your sinus will be all right. It’s a very simple medicine. You just try it. Your colds will be all right. Why? Because the inner membrane of the nose due to our breathing becomes very, very dry, or we can say cracked. As our hands can get cracked. Now if the butter is put say, even on the soup, we used to do before. Nowadays, people have become so butter-conscious, that they don’t put it. On the soup, you see, the butter on the soup, just goes and lines up the trachea, these places and the throat and these glands. Even the [inaudible] is lined up, you see, so that the whole thing becomes very much soft. Even if you have any problem, you can rub hot butter in here. Now the butter has double quality. It is a soft milk fat, plus salt. Salt is the quality of the Gurus. So the combination of Guru and the butter, as we gargle with the salt, osmosis takes place. It has a very deep significance. Now this center is manifested outside, as I told you as sixteen sub-plexuses, which govern our nose, eyes, throat, our neck, ears and also the outside of our eyes, the eye lids and also little muscles that control, and so many things by this one center. Sixteen are the petals also of this center, Vishuddhi chakra. Vishuddhi means without, vi-shuddhi, ‘vi’ means ‘absence of’, I mean it is so ‘shuddha’, it’s so holy, that everything is absent, vishuddha is the meaning of this center. Means it is absolutely holy and that’s why He is a sakshi, He is a witness.He tried to break our conditionings in a different way from Freud. Our first conditioning we had, in those days, that a wife and husband relationship was too conditioned. And the wife was dominated by husband, by all family people, and they used to torture everybody. In his time, a woman was treated just like a slave in the house in those days. Somehow it worked out. Because women had to be very chaste, to be very good, but the man was dominating and it was a big family’s system that developed. And with this, people started getting strangled in that family system which had become dead. So, He wanted to [inaudible]. He said that, “There is no harm in mixing with men as brothers and sisters. We have to be pure in heart and they are all brothers and sisters, we should mix up and we should have proper relationship with each other, understand that this is my wife, this is my husband, and others are my brothers and sisters”. Because it was not allowed for any woman even to get out of houses in those days. It was so much [?] because the mothers-in-law were very strong and they would not allow the daughters to go out. The whole episode of Krishna in Gokul is like this. And all the stories and songs are like that. That a wife says to the husband, “Oh my sisters-in-law are a weight, how will I [inaudible].” So all the story of love, of love between husband and wife, He started. Now He didn’t have Sahaja Yogis as I have today, and disciples around. And He had to permeate his powers, the sixteen thousand powers He had, at this chakra. This chakra is represented here in the head, in front. It’s called as Virata chakra, means the one he became when he became the Primordial Being. So, to have those sixteen thousand conducting human beings, He had to play a drama. He was a great dramatist. He made them take birth as women and he got them arrested by a king. Now a social problem was created. These women were with that man. So, according to Indian standards, they are all finished. They have no value. They are all gone women. Though they were by forcing, not with their own will, but in India any woman, who is even taken by force, at the time of Sita, it has happened. So she should be discarded as Rama did, as I told you last time. So He attacked this king and got all these sixteen thousand with Him. So people said, “You have got these sixteen thousand women, who are not to be accepted in the society, so what will you do? Nobody is going to marry.” He said, “I will marry them.”[Inaudible] you see, actually they were his powers and He married them. He said, “I will marry sixteen thousand.” It’s all a play, you see it’s the play of the Virata. He married those sixteen thousand. Now the five elements that He wanted to control. He said, “I want to hold on them, we have to have everybody [inaudible]. So He created five women and He married them also. Now many people say, “Oh Krishna has married sixteen thousand and had five queens and this and that.” Are you Shri Krishna? Are you Virata? Have you got even one power to flow through? If you have one, you can flow through yours. He is the one with sixteen thousand powers and these powers permeated on this earth to give us an awareness by which we felt that there is God beyond, that there is a Macrocosm, that we have to achieve that wholesomeness, that we have to become a witness of the play of the whole. He made us conscious of Macrocosm at that time. He said in Gita that, “The Spirit that is within you never dies. It again and again comes back to give you Realization and when you die, the Spirit does not die”. "Nainam chindanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavakah, na chainam kledayanty apo, na sosayati marutah" (Bhagawat Gita, chapter two, verse 23). You cannot kill it with a weapon, neither you can burn it with fire, neither wind can blow it off, neither anything can suck it. To prove this, Christ came on this earth. To prove what Krishna had said, Christ came on this earth to show that Spirit is eternal. They are all one together. We are the people who cannot see Them like that and sometimes it shocks people when I tell them about the relationship of Shri Krishna and Christ is so close. Christ, the name Christ came from the word ‘Krishi’, and Krishi word means the farming. That means Krishna came on this earth to sow the seed.[END OF PART 1]. [PART 2]. [The relation between] Krishna and Christ is extremely close. But I don’t want to shock you by telling about the relationship they had. Because if there are Christians, they’ll be shocked. If there are Hindus, they’ll be shocked. And if I tell all this to Muslims, they’ll be absolutely [unclear]. When Muhammad sahib said, ‘Allah Hu Akbar’, Akbar is the Virata, is Shri Krishna. If you don’t mind, I would like to tell you, you put your hands to see if I’m telling the truth or not, that Christ was the son of Shri Krishna. When he talks of his father with his two hands, these are the fingers of Shri Vishnu and Shri Krishna. This is Shri Krishna’s hand. And it is Shri Krishna who called him Mahavishnu in the heavens. And mad hi more powerful than his father.He was specially created by Radha who was the subtle energy, who came on this earth as the Mother of Christ. Christ’s mother was a lady who lived like a potent energy for Christ. Except for Him, nobody knew. That’s why at the cross He says, “Behold the Mother.”That’s very important. And He was one of the greatest principle sons of your Mother. Radha incarnated on this earth and She brought this immaculate conception. The whole story about it is in the Devi Mahatmya [Bhagavatam], when the Goddess created Mahavishnu out of an egg, and that’s why on the Easter, you celebrate the egg. Egg is the suggestion of you being the egg and the next birth. Easter suggests the second birth of human beings. The name of Jesus also comes from the word Yeshoda. Yeshoda was the foster mother of Shri Krishna and Radha thought that her name must be brought in because she was also another power. So, Yeshoda is called also as Jesoda in the northern parts where Krishna lived. She was called actually like Jesoda and the small form of Jesoda is Jesu. And that’s why He was called as Jesu or Yesu. In Indian languages He is called as Yesu, [?] Jesu. And even in Hebrew, He is called as Yesu, not as Jesu. You see this Y and J like Yugoslavians and all these people use, is a confusion between Y, ya and ja. And these two words are confused in the world, Yesu or Jesu. He came with such powers according to the Devi Mahatmya [Bhagavatam], that He became the supreme support. He is the support at the Mooladhara chakra. He is the one who is Ganesha at Mooladhara chakra. He’s the support of the whole universe. And Krishna placed Him higher than Himself because He incarnated higher than Him [at Agnya], and Shri Krishna is there. If I say that, you should see the vibrations yourself. Just see on the vibrations. The crucifixion of Christ, which I will tell you later on, is another drama. It’s another drama to be played. Now see the difference between the 6000 years and 2000 years of Christ. So the 4000 years passed in between. In those 4000 years, lots of things were to be decided and it was decided that Christ should be born in Jerusalem, in these places that we can call [inaudible]. Because that was the place which was to be attacked again by the Divine forces and always most of these Primordial Masters, they are called as gurus, they are born in that area, as Zoroaster. You see, most of these people like Mohammed Sahib, Shri Zoroaster, one after another, three of them came. One personality came first.Then Mohammad Sahib came in there, then Moses came in, Abraham came in, all these people were born in that area. And then Christ came in [inaudible]. He thought that would be the best place where these great Primordial Masters have worked [inaudible] and that they will be able to understand. But people as they are, they killed Mohammad Sahib, they also killed Christ. They never listened to Moses, never listened to Christ. People are like that and today I find many people who call themselves Christians are the people who were there to enjoy His crucifixion, who liked it, supported it and crucified Him. Today they are moving with a Bible in their hand saying that this is this, this is this. So unauthorized, so dangerous! Now it is better sometimes to read what Krishna has to say about Christ. But just now today as we are first dealing with the Vishuddhi chakra, I’ll talk about Christ later on.Vishuddhi chakra has two other points, which are very important within us. I have to take this up because you people are suffering from Left Vishuddhi. Left Vishuddhi is on the left-hand side and right on the right-hand side. Right hand side Vishuddhi is the Vishuddhi when He was the king and called as Vitthala and His wife Rukmini. They lived in Dwarika [unsure]. This is the ‘raj’, or you can say the ‘rajasa’, means the kingliness or the action, where He wanted to act as a king, is on the right-hand side.The left-hand side is the one where He was born and in his early life, when He had a sister. His sister was actually the daughter of Yeshoda who was sacrificed, it’s a big story, how Krishna was born in a jail and was taken by his father and put it in a place called Gokul. And the child in that place who was a girl was sent and She is the one who appears as the lightning in the air. And how She became the lightning when She was killed and announced that, “Your killer is still alive.” to the horrible rakshasa who was actually the brother of Krishna’s mother. And it was announced that the eighth child of this Devaki, his sister, Kamsa’s sister, Kamsa is a rakshasa, is a devil, will kill him. And this frightened him so much that he started killing all the children that were born to this Devaki, his sister, who was put in the jail.The last one was Shri Krishna and when He was born, everybody slept off and the doors opened up and His father carried Him in a basket, just like Moses story it is, and crossed the river Yamuna and when the river touched Shri Krishna’s feet it again went down, crossed over, went to Gokul, put the child there, took the child of Nand- Yeshoda and brought the child back and he placed it. When the child was replaced, you see, it was a girl. So Kamsa came and said, “The eighth is girl, how can it be?” So then he just found the girl and She went up and She announced that, “The killer of you, Kamsa is born and is living very much and He is going to kill you, beware.” And then the story is that how He tried to kill him, so that, we don’t have to bother about that. But the main thing I’m telling, was this sister of Shri Krishna. Now the Left Vishuddhi problem starts when we get confused about sisters’ relationship or the pure relationships like a mother, this is Mr. Freud’s business, you see. All kinds of confusions, creating problems about relationships with other men, other women, there’s no understanding. Anyone who is married, unmarried, anything cast eyes towards someone, to have adulterous eyes towards others. That’s why Krishna- Christ at this point had to say, there is no sanctity in the eyes, that’s why He said that, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. But that’s not possible without Realization, I have seen, when we have [inaudible]. So all these perverse ideas about men and women relationships are there, and in the subconsciously they create a guilt. You know it’s wrong, you know, at the base of your heart, you know that. But the ego has gone so much there, people say, “What’s wrong?” That’s why I see people in the West are at least innocent. They know it is not wrong. But in the East, in India, people know it is wrong, still they do wrong, means they are not innocent people at all, they know this is wrong and still they do, then they are not innocent. So all those Indians, who try to do these things knowingly that it is wrong, are the wrong type of people because they have lost their innocence. Now this is one of the things why we catch on Left Vishuddhi, very much in West. But the second one is even- another thing is just to sit down and analyse yourself. This is basically, some sort of a funny sort of a guilt that is built in us. Or sometimes it is the superego, some sort of a possession, you start analysing and just murdering yourself morning till evening. “I should not have said this”, “Why did I do it?”, “I should not have gone there”, “I should not”. May be it is Catholicism. It could be anything. Jews also go and weep and they go on repenting things, and when you have repented, finished. If you have repented then it is finished. Why are you go on, still carrying on with the guilt within you? And this left-sided is too much. So much so that My hand gets really paralyzed with the vibrations flowing all the time, this left side. That’s why I say, you go on saying one mantra. “I am not guilty”, “I am not guilty”, “I am not guilty”. Because you go on suggesting to yourself that you are not guilty. All the time sitting down and analysing yourself. And also the society is like this, from the very beginning we are told, “You should not have done this, you should have done this. This, you should not have done, this carpet is spoilt, that is spoilt”. So the whole thing builds like a guilt. For nothing at all you are guilty, I mean it’s such a fake stuff. And you believe in that and the gurus play on it. They say, “These are your karmas”. So, you are doomed in. So, on the Left Vishuddhi, you have this guilt business. On the Right Vishuddhi, you are extremely talkative and you are being arrogant. Such people can be great orators, they can shout at the top of their voices, they can control people with their oratory. The right side with which they built that kind of an action, is their style. There are so many things one has to say about [inaudible] comes in, and how it becomes a [inaudible] and all efforts. Let it be, don’t complicate it. [unsure]. So now this is how you develop the complications on the left and the right sides. When the center is upset, then you take the responsibility of everything on yourself. You are running like a mad horse. You are like a bull, I should say. And you do all the gross job. And you think, “Oh you are such a nice man, in your heart”. You feel, “Oh, I will have that” or “I’ll get it, I will do it”. You take the responsibility of the whole world upon your head and you start saying, “Oh I feel so bad that I could not help in Vietnam”. You cannot help, how are you connected? “I’m so bad with Cambodia. I should have done something.” You cannot do it. By just sitting in Australia, you look after Australian problems, Sydney problems, family problems and your own problems! Start it from there. ‘Charity begins at home’. People always try to see the problems of another. Like if I’m there and you tell Me, “Why there’s poverty in India?” Really, very seriously they ask Me the question. I said, “Who is responsible for your own poverty is”. That, “Why don’t you think of your own problems?” When I am in your Australia, I’m out and out. When I am in India, I am in India out and out. Why would you be anguish [unsure]. That’s how you should be also. You need to face your problems, what are your problems? These are the problems, that you feel guilty for nothing at all. You’ve being conditioned like that. And then if you get out of the guilt, you become egoistical. You say, “I hate you” and when you quarrel, “bapre”, you really bark. There’s no softness anymore. It’s such a horrible voice starts coming that I knew that Australians are fighting. When you take to drinking, you go to the other side. I mean, when we were coming to Australia, they were blaming. They were drinking so much and talking so much after that, nobody could sleep even for a minute. And so loudly they were talking that I was thinking even fish market in Bombay is better than that. [Laughter] And they had lost all capacity to understand that there are people who want to sleep and they are talking so loudly that like a there was a mouth piece near their lips, the way they were on and on and on, all of them talking very loudly. You go to a reception, you don’t see any meeting, you talk, all right. But the other one doesn’t listen to you, you don’t listen to him. You go on talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, very fast. You just don’t know what they are talking, what you are talking. They say, “Yes, yes, yes.” You nod your head and he nods his head, and you don’t know what they are talking, what they are saying, and then you say, “Oh, I’ve been to a reception”[inaudible]. Then you come out and go to another reception, go to another reception [unclear], And such and such come in; you shake hands, all right. Such a sad perspective, what is the need? It’s all, there’s no rapport, there’s no understanding. And if there is, it is for flirting, that’s all, which is another one, I told you, is nothing but the play of the spirits through your eyes. That’s why Christ had shown you and He said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes. Any Christian who has adulterous eyes should know that first step to Christianity is not there. He said it so clearly. So very clearly, emphatically he told you, to understand that your eyes are very important and they have to be pure. They have to be honest and pure eyes I like the way people in Australia like my honesty of telling them anything that is honest. It's so sweet of you because some things can be quite hard. To believe and to take it, though I speak softly about them, I am very clever to put it through. But the way you see it, because perhaps you see that honesty in Me. I am not here to please you or to displease you, but to tell you the truth in such a way that you will not get a shock and you start absorbing it. Because that is what you are asking for. So at this stage, the awareness becomes collectively conscious, started becoming collectively conscious. This is the beginning of it. But now the incoming of Christ, the advent of Christ was specially described. Thousands of years back, it was started with an egg. It was created with three Pranava, the Omkara, ‘logos’ as we call it. The sound that is the complete energy, Omkar, as you can say, the word. You can say the word. He is that energy embodied, because He had to prove that the Spirit is eternal. He is the Spirit. At all these centers, He is there. These vibrations are nothing but a emission or manifestation of His being. So He cannot be killed, because He is the Spirit. He cannot be dead, He cannot be destroyed. Because He’s just the energy of Spirit. That was the embodiment of Christ, that He was brought on this earth and He was crucified suggestive of this gate here He had to penetrate. This very important gate here, which is the Agnya chakra, which He had to penetrate. By penetrating this, He created a space in the ego and the superego. This space is the space where they say that, “Christ is the one who has taken the sins of the human beings in Him”. He is the lamb that was sacrificed. In the olden India, they used to sacrifice lambs. If you have done anything bad, you take a lamb and sacrifice it at the altar of the cross. Those who do not know about Christ are still doing it. And those who know about Christ also sacrifice [inaudible]. So the karma theory finishes off at the point where Christ came in. Because He is the one who is capable of sucking your ego and superego, both. On one side He sucks your ego, on the other side He sucks your superego. He is the one who drove the spirits into the pigs and the pigs were dragged into the sea. I mean He did so many such things, but because of these disciples, it is not depicted fully. But He so clearly showed that there are spirits and that you have nothing to do with the dead. But the Christians, who call themselves Christians, are just anti-Christ in this aspect. They’ll have all the dead bodies in the church and sitting on the layers of dead bodies, all the spirits hovering around, your children are attacked and you are attacked. I am not against the church. Church if it is for the Realized souls, is a very [good?] thing. There is no reliability in a church where they do not have Christ in there. Christ is the Spirit. If the church tries hard to be reborn, then it is a church. Otherwise, the rest of the things are just lip services. They are lip services. Now another thing, all the Christians, all the Christian nations are very much interested in all kinds of these dead things and clairvoyance. “Oh I am told that there are some clairvoyance”, they are very, very flourishing people. It is very dangerous to go near them. Cancer, blood cancer, epilepsy, heart attacks, accidents, financial ruin, all these things can come to you through these mediums. You have no control over them. They say she is very good lady, he is very good gentleman. He may be good or bad but what about the ones which are coming in. Can you see them? You know who are coming? It’s like having a licence without any passes without any exams. Why go to the dead? But the Christian nations are resembling England, which is supposed to be the heart of the universe. Every tenth house, somebody sitting with a ‘planchette’ [to call the dead spirits] talking to the great grandfather to know where there are still in the property, or some such a thing. Every tenth house you see, and so much! Then whatever was less then was completed by the gurus from India. Some of them came out of the jail. They had no place to go, they wore those dresses and went out. They remained planning straight [inaudible]. Then some of them are [inaudible], they are [inaudible], and they became gurus. Whatever they talk is horrible Hindi or horrible Marathi or whatever it is. In Sanskrit, it’s called ?-English. Being English as [inaudible] politically, openly, ego oriented, but these are disturbing [unsure] slyly from superego.And these gurus are making him dance, there’s one who wants Rolls Royce. Last time, he asked for a Rolls Royce. He has got 58, and wanted the 59th. Actually, he was going to buy a [?] but somehow fizzled it out. And that’s how the people are there, and these very ? English people who don’t want to eat their food without the [inaudible] are held by their tails, by these horrible gurus. Without knowing how much they are befooled. And even grown-ups and old elderly lords have hit it. There was one lord’s son who died. He was trying to fly in the air. The father was in it– father and mother were downstairs, father about 70 years of age and wife about 65 and they were trying to fly downstairs and upstairs was the daughter in law and the son. And the son collapsed, he died. So the lady, the wife came and told that, “He is dead”. So they were very happy, he is now gone to heaven, he has achieved his last life. Imagine these lords, these scholarly lords. And some Sahaja Yogis went to tell him, he says, “Don’t tell us, don’t come in our happiness and joy, our son has gone to heaven, and we are all going to go there.” [Inaudible] I can’t understand this. What has happened to their brains? They are told that you take a drum, stand on Oxford street, wear that horrible dress, go on dancing in God’s name and [inaudible], then you’ll go to God. How will you believe such nonsense? And for Sahaja Yogis, I must tell you, I had six of them. All scholars turned into hippies, scholars from Oxford, and from Cambridge. Oxford you know, ford car combined with an Ox. They really, completely exhausted Me. Four years, I worked on them! I said, “Oh God, these stones, what am I to do with them?” They liked the food I cooked, the liked the house I lived, they liked the way I was, everything, but nothing happened to the Kundalini. And then it did happen. Very difficult nuts to break, but now doesn’t matter, they all found . They found out that Sahaja Yoga, it is spontaneous in Sahaja Yoga. Everything points to Sahaja Yoga. Everything points to Kundalini awakening. It’s there, they recognized, even logically they recognized. It’s absolutely logical. I am here because of them, I should say. They always failed. They have a guilt about Australia that they ill-treated people for very little offences, like even stealing the bread and all that. They sent away these people to hell. Now [?] I mean, it’s a heaven. You got heaven in punishment, compared to that dirty London, nowadays. It’s nice to go and see. Every time you go out you have to have an umbrella, even people play football with an umbrella in their hand. It’s a mad place, the [dirtiest?] place I know. But it is in Me. It is the heart of the universe. Everything circulates from there. All your laws, all our governing things, everything comes from there. So I had to work very hard, I know. But now we have really beautiful Sahaja Yogis, which are tremendous. And thanks to William Blake, he has already prophesized so much about Sahaja Yoga, about what will happen, even where I lived, where ashram will be, everything is so much in details. That now things are getting very much better in here. So now, we come back from there, to our Agnya chakra, the center where Christ came in. There is ego and superego. He came at a point which is in the center of the ego and superego, which is controlled by pituitary, the ego is controlled, and the pineal body controls the superego. In between them, at the optic chiasma, in the center of the optic chiasma, He came. That’s why eyes are very important for Me. Because eyes are controlled by this center. There are two petals to that: ‘ham, ksham’. These are the two sounds that come out of those two petals, ham, ksham. On one side, left side, when the person are in superego. They are sadists, that’s how they call them, people who like domination, who like beating up and all, I mean the extreme cases. I mean, in India we do not have this extreme type, we have people who are submissive or we have people who are arrogant, at the most. But this, the husband beating the wife with a hunter or some women liking it, this kind of nonsense I have not heard of. But you see, you go to such extremes in everything whatsoever. “All right. If we have to be suppressed all right, let us get beatings, let us go on suffering.” Why should you suffer? Christ has suffered for you. What is the need for you to suffer, I just don’t understand. And make a drama out of it, “We are suffering”. ‘Les Misérables’ like the French.French are very ‘Les Misérables’, really very difficult people, you can’t carry on with them. They think they are ‘Les Misérables’, making everybody miserable. In the same way, we also take to this kind of an idea, “Oh we are suffering, we are very unhappy people”, We start all sort of nonsensical emotional dramas we play. And “Why are you laughing, why are you enjoying yourself?” Like I went to France. I told you the story. They said, “Mother, don’t say that You are a happy person. They won’t like it. They will say you are not sensitive.” I said, “Really?” Then I went to make fun at the whole stuff. But this is what it is. We go to the extremes, we torture ourselves we go on condemning ourselves, “Oh I am so bad, I am good for nothing, I am useless.” We had a gentleman like that with us. He did only one thing is to read lord Byron That man, you should never read, I tell you. What a life le led! He himself was a horrible, licentious man and he writes about The Prisoner of Chillon. This lord Byron did it. Now he became the prisoner, you see, without any prison, without anything. He is the prisoner, this gentleman, his name is Bonnie [Bonnivard]. And Ronnie is the one who cries in Indian language, ‘Ronie’. So this Mr. Ronnie all the time used to cry, weep, sleep in his bed, have his food in his bed, “I am very sorry, I am this and that.” His mother got fed up with him. Wife ran away, also he cried for that. His son ran away, he cried for that. The mother said that, “You cannot have all this nonsense”. So he cried for that, “She doesn’t love me.” And he came to Me, he said, “Mother I would like to wash your kitchen and do-.” I said, “You see, there is no need, I have got my own people here, staff, you don’t have to clean. Now will you please change your attitude towards life?” He said, “Mother I'll try this, I’ll try that.” I gave him Realization, tried to. But he had these angles. I said all right. We sent him back to his mother. Three days later she rang me up. She said, “You please take your son away from me. I am fed up of him. He has come here, he is weeping in his bed as usual. He has gone back to the same, and he is doing no work. I have to cook for him, otherwise he starves himself. He thinks he is the most miserable man, you better have him.” You see this is the same style, you see, is the superego people, one style. And another one is the aggressive. Actually, the way aggressive people can become also people, because they are afraid of [?]. Like in England, I was surprised, people are very frightened, very frightened. Extremely frightened people. Indians are not like this. I mean if you need anything, you’d better telephone to them rather than go to their house. Otherwise, if you go and knock at their door, they might die of heart failure. They are so frightened, you see, most surprising. Extremely frightened people. And you cannot say anything to them. They just get like this. What are they frightened about? I don’t understand. Extremely frightened people they are. In India it is not so. In India, supposing somebody comes here tonight, immediately you think, “Oh maybe your friend has come, he may be in difficulties”. Immediately the husband would ask the wife, “You have sufficient money in the house? What have you got? Some ornaments? He might need some money. Otherwise why has he come? Or may be some problem with him.” It’s like that. You just open the door immediately, without thinking. And the thieves in India don’t knock at the door and come in. [Laughter] I mean, they are not expert burglars you see, as we have in England. They are naïve still. So their thieving also is mostly of no value. Actually, in my house, in my father’s house, we never locked our houses, never. All our doors were open, morning till evening. And father said, “If you lock the house then people will think, there’s something in the house, that’s why it is locked. Please keep in open.” We leave everything open and anybody can walk in. And in the night, mother fixed it. I mean, we were like that. But now we have learnt how to thieve and how to do things and that’s why the problem is different. All right. So, we have Christ in this place, where this red mark is, sitting at the crossing point. And this crossing point He has done for us. He has taken our karmas, the sins upon himself. The Hindus should now realize that they need not go about with their karma theory, before everyone. They do not want to talk of Christ, because they know their karma theory fails. If He has been sacrificed for our sins, either He was a false guru or we are true gurus. Then how can we build up our karmas? If we become the Spirit all our karmas will be sucked by Christ who is awakened in that. So all the karma theories go away. All the sacrifices go away. All these ideas must go away. And when I talk about these things, Hindus blame Me that, “You are a Christian.” But when I talk about Krishna, the Christians say that, “You are a Hindu.” Some say I am a Muslim, some say I am - what am I? I am a Musulman, because I know all of them are one, in one body, in one personality, they all exist. In one personality, in every human being, and no use disintegrating them and suffering the problems of disintegration. “I am a Christian”, “I am a Muslim”, “I am a this”. You are that because you are born in that. Do you think about it? You accepted it just because you are born in it. What have you got? What did your forefathers get? All your people have been going to the same thing. You are a Hindu, you are doing like a Hindu rituals. If you are Christian you are doing like a Christian rituals. If you are a Muslim you are doing like a Muslim fanatic. It’s all that nonsense you have been doing for ages together. Did you get your Realization? It’s the first point. Even in the Gita, the first thing that is, that it’s through Veda, ‘Vid’ word means to know, and ‘Veda’ means by which you know. If these Vedas cannot make you know, then they are useless. They themselves have confessed it. So, we see here Christ, standing at the gate of three centers, three powers, Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati. He is the one who’s is controlling all these three powers within us. By one power, He controls all our superegos, He controls all the devils and spirits. If you show the cross the devils run away. It’s common. He controls our ego on the right-hand side. Though the Christians are the most ego oriented. Whatever they profess, they are just the opposite. And then He controls the dharma within us by which He makes us rise above towards spirituality, to be the Spirit. He controls that center within us. And this center is the center where your eyes get pure, that your superego at the back is clear, that your ego is sucked in, and from your eyes flows nothing but just compassion. Just compassion, and love of God and the devotees have adoration and nothing else. One lecture is not sufficient to describe Christ. Nor it is sufficient to describe Shri Krishna. I have spoken for hours, days together, and this lecture has taken too much time because I have tackled two very important centers together. I hope you will not sit on certain words or certain thoughts and just try to renounce the truth. This is the truth. I have come here to tell you the truth and not to please you, your ego, to please your ego, or to excite your superego, but to comfort you. And to make you your Self, your Spirit.May God bless you all. [From 1:24:19 on audio 1][Shri Mataji speaks to a seeker]: You have been asking too many questions. You’d better come and sit. All right? That will be better because you must be satisfied. All right? Just too many questions also, why? Just take it. First of all, get Realization. Get Realization. Did you read the book Advent?Seeker: Which one?Shri Mataji: Advent.Seeker: Advent.Shri Mataji: Hum.Seeker: No, no.Sahaja Yogi: Any questions?Seeker: Question about Cosmic consciousness.Shri Mataji: [Laughter]What is cosmic? It’s not cosmic. Cosmic has something to do with your five elements.Seeker: No -Shri Mataji: I know, just a minute. I will tell you. Sit down, sit down.You see cosmic consciousness is a consciousness which develops when you have interest in the matter. Cosmic consciousness, part of it, is shown now by your knowledge of science. This is the cosmos. The Spirit has nothing to do with the cosmos, in the sense, that this matter is just a lamp for the light. Light is the Spirit. The so-called cosmic consciousness is actually achieved by the movement of the mind to the right-hand side, which is the supraconscious area.In this movement, before Realization you are helped by people who are ‘busybodies’ [dead souls], who are anxious people, who are lying on the right-hand side. Like you feel you are flying in the air, you are leaving your body, you are sitting on a tree. Or suddenly doze, some people know dozing, they know about the water, they know where the water is. All these suggestions come to you from the supraconscious area. Sometimes you start knowing about certain stars. There are supraconscious people in Columbia where women take this LSD and there are some drugs like that, if you take to it, you go into supraconscious area. You start seeing colours and formations. Beyond that also these people were so surprisingly supraconscious! You will be amazed that, I asked them, “Why do you have an emblem as the condor, the big eagle.” They said that, “It is because our old Indians told us that once, it can be from India, God. God Vishnu came on a condor in this country”. [Inaudible]. So that kind of a development is not necessary now. That time is over. When people wanted to build up the right side, they tried to create their knowledge on the right side: like using prana, then using all these five elements, the Vedas and all that. Now you are developed, your ego is developed, all right. Now the time of development is such that you have to become the Spirit. You don’t have to, you don’t need it. By your knowledge of cosmic consciousness only, you discovered the ether, you discovered the gravity, you discovered so many things. Now all these things that you have discovered are going to help the Sahaja Yoga. It’s meant for this time. Like you make a stage: for the stage you put lights, you put all adjustments for sound, everything. But the people who have to be on the stage are you. Your job is to be on the stage. You are not to bother about the stage arrangements, that’s all done. That’s all finished. Now you see this mike, it is such a simple thing. You know that this mike, on this magnetic emission, I can put the spiritual power to you, as I told you, it is the lamp that carries the light. So this is the carrier. If I put it here like this, say I put it here, then I know that you can hear Me the same way as if you are hearing Me.

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Radio Interview, Sydney (Australia), 31 March 1981. Talkback program 'The Forum' on 2UE Radio. Hosted by Ian Parry Oakden. Interviewer: Well, hi and welcome once again to the program. And tonight, a program with a slight difference. In the past, on the forum we’ve talked in different ways about finding oneself; about knowing oneself, and we’ve asked you at times to describe yourself in various ways, which has been interesting. Tonight we look at a different aspect of that under the title of Self Realization. In the past few years in Australia we have seen a succession of people come to Australia, with various titles, who lead what is generally regarded, I suppose, as cults. There have been people who have called themselves Maharajis, or Maharaji; there have been people who’ve called themselves yogis, there are people who will come up to you in the street and hand you literature who are followers of particular, mostly Indian based religious movements. I think that in general, is the way they describe them. And just lately I seem to be receiving more and more literature about these sort of people coming to Australia to speak to their followers. We’ve seen television films of them being greeted at the airport by devoted followers. And the other day I received a news release, guess you could call it that, about someone just a little bit different, because this time it’s a woman. And that makes it interesting to start with. Let me read you what came in the mail: Mataji Nirmala Devi is a most remarkable person. Ten years ago, She perfected a technique by which people can free themselves from their physical, emotional and mental disorders caused by the stresses of modern life. Well that got me interested to begin with, and I read a little further and I thought, “It’s about time we talked to someone like this. And what better time than now and what better person than Mataji Nirmala Devi?” And She is in the studio here with me tonight. Interviewer: “Good evening. Welcome to the program.” “Mataji, You are the leader of, or You are a practicer, I understand, of Sahaja Yoga. Can you explain what that is?” Audio starts Shri Mataji: Sahaja means spontaneous. “Saha” means with, “Ja” means born; it is born with you. It is spontaneous; it is the living force. A living force that has made you a human being from amoeba; is going to make you the higher being where you become the Self. It is all- in every scriptures you will find they have described that you have to be born again. Every prophet, every incarnation has said that you have to be born again. And there must be some thing within us, which does that job, and this is known as Kundalini and was known to people – very few people I should say – in the ancient times. Then in the sixth century, Adi Shankaracharya talked about it very clearly that it’s only the Kundalini awakening, the awakening of this Residual Power within us which lies in the triangular bone called as Sacrum, means sacred bone - Just imagine, that time they knew it was a sacred bone- that it rises and crosses all the subtle centers, pierces through the fontanel bone area and gives you your real baptism, your real birth, and you can also feel the softness of your fontanel bone area on top of your head. And this is an actualization. This is not that you can just pay some money or become a member, organize something. It’s an actualization and you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini at the base; the rising of the Kundalini and the breaking of the fontanel bone area which is called in Sanskrit as Brahmarandhra. Interviewer: So you are saying this is what… Spirit inside us, which you call Kundalini? Shri Mataji: No. Spirit? This is the Holy Ghost, and the Spirit is in the Heart. Spirit is the reflection of God within us. Interviewer: So it’s not the Spirit. It is a live force? Shri Mataji: This is the force that is the pure desire to be one with God; that is within us all the time, dormantly lying. It only manifests when it sees, or gets instruction, or is handled by a person who is authorized by God. Not by any institution or anything, but by God. Such a person Himself is a realized soul. It is like one enlightened light can enlighten another light. It’s very simple. Interviewer: So that what you are trying to tell us is that we have within us a live force called… Shri Mataji: A germinating, germinating force you can say. Interviewer: Right. Called Kundalini. Shri Mataji: Yes. Interviewer: And this is generated in the… Shri Mataji: It awakens. Actually, it moves like an energy. Interviewer: in the bone, but around the eye? Shri Mataji: No, no, no Sacrum, is the bone at the base of the spinal chord, the triangular bone. Interviewer: Right. At the base of the spine and that is where this force awakens. Shri Mataji: Yes. And it rises. You see the pulsation rising and it comes up to the top of the head, which is called as the fontanel bone area in the medical terms. But, here it is called as Taloo in Sanskrit language. And it pierces through. You can see the pulsation coming up here and after some time the pulsation stops. Interviewer: This is when you are meditating? You can see this in somebody meditating? Or… Shri Mataji: It’s like, you see, for this you have to just place your hand towards Me to begin with. Then any other Sahaja Yogi can also do it. But to begin with, you have to place the hands towards Me just like this; like Namaaz you see, as they do Namaaz. Interviewer: That’s palms open…. Shri Mataji: Yes, just palms towards Me and you find that through your fingers,when it pierces through, you start feeling a cool breeze blowing in and that’s the sign that you have got that Power flowing through. But with that you get many other manifestations. Like, first of all, you feel absolutely relaxed. Secondly, you feel the cool breeze also coming out of the head, fontanel bone area. First the heat comes out and then the cool breeze comes out. Interviewer: Right. What is happening when that happens? What is happening to the body? Is one relaxing? Is one becoming more holy? Is one, what is happening when this… if you… Shri Mataji: You are evolving; you evolve to a higher state of consciousness. Your consciousness as it is, is a human consciousness or human awareness. Now- but your Spirit is by itself; it is enjoying by itself. It is not in your conscious mind. Means you do not feel in your central nervous system – its manifestation. It is by itself. Now when Kundalini rises, She takes your attention inside, because the happening takes place and this attention gets enlightened by the Spirit which is actually placed in the Heart. But the seat is in the Taloo, in the fontanel bone area on top of that. So once you touch that, your attention becomes enlightened and the attention itself becomes collectively conscious. It becomes; it’s a becoming. It’s not just saying that they are all brothers and sisters, it just happens. You start feeling them on your fingertips. All the centers; your own and that of others also. Interviewer: So it’s a, it’s a method of, of coming to, to terms with forces within our own body, to put it bluntly. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. That’s why it is Sahaj, means born with you. Sahaja – born with you. Yoga means Union with God. So this right to be born again, to be united with God is within you. But it has to work out spontaneously. Interviewer: How is this different from practicing the sort of Yogas that we’ve seen over the years? This form of yoga that we have of television in the morning, in women’s magazines, the classes that people go to, which, I suppose, are relaxation exercises really. How does your Sahaja Yoga differ from that? Shri Mataji: It’s very different because, you see, in this the accent is only on physical side of life. You are not only your physical being, neither your emotional being nor only your religion, what you call your sustenance. You are much more than that and unless and until you see all these three aspects properly in balanced way, it can be very dangerous. More over, the Hatha Yoga that is done these days, perhaps, has no relation with what real Patanjali Yoga is. Because, Patanjali Yoga was practiced at the time when we had another type of system in our society where the children of five years used to go to the Gurus, stay with them, and there the Gurus used to select people who were good for Realization. Then first thing they would do is Ishwara Pranidhan, means establishment of God within you, means Realization. There are eight simultaneous things, Ashtaangas. It’s not only one physical exercises, and physical exercise is only 1/10th of one of them. But the first and foremost thing is the establishment of God, means Sahaja Yoga. First your God must be established, then you see the movement of the Kundalini and you see the obstructions of the different centers and you know which center is to be activated; if there’s a physical problem, then what exercise to be done. But today’s modern Yoga is such that you take all the medicines in one, one shot all of them, whether they are required or not. You don’t know what you are doing to yourself. This is absolutely absurd, and this can relax you because may be that somebody else takes over from you. May be you get possessed or may be something like that that you feel relaxed but you are not in control of your relaxation. You are not in control of yourself at all. You have to become absolutely the master of your body, mind, everything. Interviewer: “Mataji, you’ve come to Australia to speak to people and to Your followers and You are, You do have followers. Why do You have followers? Who are these people who deify You and who call You Mother?” Shri Mataji: I mean, it is like the sun shining and the leaves are bathing in it. Now the time has come, to flowers to become fruits. Now, how… what can we can do? It’s a relationship exists because what they want, I have and I give them that. Interviewer: It’s more than Shri Mataji: But it is not binding there. I mean, I do not try to sort of dominate them in any way. But I see to it that they grow into good citizens and grow into proper personalities with their Spirit completely manifesting in them. Interviewer: Are You then their teacher?” Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. I have to teach them as a Mother; so many things Mother has to teach the children. But it’s a sweet way of doing it. How you do it is the point. I mean, a Mother doesn’t take any money for what sShe teaches and it’s question of love, and Divine Love is so remarkable that it just manifests Itself. Interviewer: You don’t take money from your followers? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. How can you pay for God’s Love? Can you? That’s one thing one should know. When they have this market on and all these people are coming in, you must know one thing that you cannot pay for it. This is one of the things people must realize; they don’t use their brains. Interviewer: There are many cults where people give a lot of money to the Gurus. And there are Gurus… There’s one… Well, I can’t think of a number. But there is one who is riding around in Rolls Royces and so on, and living… Shri Mataji: I know (Mother Laughs) Interviewer: a very high life. As a matter of fact, a friend of mine is a follower of him. Shri Mataji: Just imagine. Interviewer: and he has changed very much. I mean he is a very, well, holy person, I suppose, He certainly is at peace. He is a very happy man there since he is become a follower of this particular Guru. And I’ve never been able to see why; he’s never been able to explain to me why. And I wonder what you think, in general, of these cult movements. Shri Mataji: You see, what these people do is that their main aim is to make some money. But there can be even more sinister people; they may be wanting to stop your evolution. They are satanic, some of them are very satanic forces, because they give epilepsy and they give horrible diseases. They make people recluses; they just mesmerize them. People start thinking, “Oh, they’re becoming very holy and they’ve become very good.” But the first thing we should know, as Jung has put it – who was the disciple of Freud, and I am happy, he is very popular in your country – that the next step has to be that you become collectively conscious. By becoming higher personality you start feeling the centers of other people and yours also. This was to be expected that you became collectively conscious. This is the point one should see. For example: Somebody says, “I am very happy”, so what does it matter? I mean if you feel that he is happy, it’s only his ego is pampered. If you pamper somebody’s ego, the person feels very happy and if you condition somebody or give him a superego, he feels unhappy. Both happiness and unhappiness are the two sides of one coin. But joy is very different. Joy is a drama; joy is a beauty and that only you can get it if your attention gets enlightened by your Spirit. Because Spirit is the only source of joy which doesn’t have duality; which just watches, which is a witness. And these people just play upon your ego or they play upon your superego. They can mesmerize you; they have all these methods. Interviewer: They are very popular with young people. Shri Mataji: Yes, poor young people. There are real seekers I can tell you. They are actually saints born because the Last Judgment has started now, and the judgment is going to take place through the Kundalini awakening only. How are we going, how anybody is going to judge anyone? I mean God, how is He going to judge? – It’s only by awakening your Kundalini and that’s what has started. There’s so many saints have taken birth to be in the kingdom of God, as was promised, and that’s why these markets are afloat. You see when there’s a demand, there’s a market also for that and people are in the market. And, naturally, in the market money is the main thing, to begin with. But it’s very, very dangerous. These people are so mesmerized, they don’t want to see. It’s not your happiness that is important; it’s the happiness of the whole. What are you doing for that? Interviewer: Well, I think they are certainly interested in getting new members for their cults. They certainly go round and try to sell their cult on the streets, or wherever. Shri Mataji: Yes, they are. For example: there was a Guru who was to come to England, and he said : “I’ll have a Rolls Royce, otherwise I will not to come to England.” So these young people starved themselves, ate potatoes and all that, and they wanted to have the fellow there. And when some of the Sahaja Yogis went and talked to them : “Why should you give him a Rolls Royce?” He says : “By giving Rolls Royce what we are just giving metal; but he gives us Spirit.” How can he exchange Spirit for metal? I can’t understand that. Interviewer: Are You holy? Shri Mataji: (Mother Laughs) This you better find out yourself. (Mother laughs) (Both laugh) What’s the sign of holiness is? Holiness is that which, which cleanses others, automatically. Christ was touched by a lady, and an energy flew into her and she got cured absolutely. This is what it is. You don’t- you see, what do you ask the Sun? Will you ask the Sun, “Are you, are you the light?” I mean, What it does? It is the part and parcel of that, isn’t it?” Interviewer: Your followers say You are Holy. Shri Mataji: Yes, they, they must have found it out. (Mother Laughs) because, if holiness means cleansing, it means energy giving, then of course, it has worked with them. Interviewer: I’d like to talk to You about the energy giving. We’ll talk about that in a moment. Because You’d mentioned before – holding out your palms and some of them hold out their hands to You. You talked about holding ones hands up to You. So, in just a moment we will take a break and I’ll come back and talk to you about that… [Talk specific to the radio station omitted as it is not relevant] I am talking to Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is a Guru… No? I am sorry. Shri Mataji: I am a Divine Mother. Mataji means Divine Mother. That’s not My name. My name is Nirmala. Nirmala means Holy, Pure or Immaculata. My- they have given Me this title as Mataji, which means Holy Mother. Interviewer: Are you a Yogi? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. I mean Yogi in the sense that if you are one with your Spirit, that I am. Interviewer: [radio station’talk] …There have been so many people passing through this country talking about offering all sorts of answers to today’s problems in what is a basically, I suppose, Christian culture; although we can talk about that too tonight. People who come from various religious movements, based generally in India. And tonight we have one of those people on the program… She is different… Interviewer: Mataji, we talked about Energy and that You have an Energy to give other people. How does, how does it happen that, You are the person who has that Energy? Why You? Shri Mataji: I mean, as you are the one who is asking Me questions from the Radio, in the same way perhaps I am appointed to do this job you see, that’s all. If anybody can do it, I will be very happy. As I told you, I am a married lady and My husband is very highly placed in life and I actually miss Him and He misses Me too and My children are there; I’ve got grandchildren. But this is something else that He thinks is very important, and that’s why I am doing it and if somebody else can do it, I will be very happy to retire. I will be really happy, I tell you. But some things you can do and some things I can do. That’s what it is. Interviewer: Is it a gift from God? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course it is. And you can have the same gift because you have to just get your Realization, that’s all. You can also do the same thing. Interviewer: Do I have to be in contact with You? Shri Mataji: You have to be, not necessarily. People who are Realized now in Sydney, only two persons came to India. They have given Realization to three hundred people. So it is not necessary for you to be in contact with Me. But you have to get your Realization through somebody who is an enlightened person and who knows how to handle the Kundalini. Interviewer: Now, the Energy is the Kundalini, this is what You offer to other people… Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Interviewer: Is to put them in touch with their own Kundalini? Shri Mataji: That works faster when I am there, but even these people can do it; that’s true. Interviewer: So what’s the Power of this as far as healing is concerned? I believe You are… or claim to be able to heal people? Shri Mataji: That is, that happens spontaneously. I mean, I do not heal people as such. But it happens because when the Kundalini rises, She enlightens your parasympathetic nervous system and the parasympathetic nervous system is like the storehouse of energy. But when it crosses the fontanel bone area, it gets connected to the mains. It’s like, supposing your petrol is finishing and you get connected to the mains and all the time petrol is flowing into you, then you get cured because all that energy which is being spent by sympathetic activity is replaced. And that’s how people get all right. But I do not go about healing people or I do not have a healing center. I do not go in the hospitals. But those who are seekers get a spontaneous healing. Even blood cancer, cancer of any kind can be cured. But they have to be seekers to begin with and their Kundalini must rise and then they get their Realization, as a byproduct they get healed. That’s a different thing from healing people and just paying more attention to the body. Because if you have to have the temple of God to be enlightened by His presence, then your temple has to be cleansed. Interviewer: Let’s talk about God, or Your concept about God. You were raised as a Christian, were You not? Or were You born as a Christian? Shri Mataji: I was to be born something – either I was to be born Christian, Hindu, Muslim. Any where I could have been born. But I, I choose a father and a mother, and a father (who) was an enlightened soul and a great man. It was He who told Me about human beings, how they are. I didn’t know they were that complicated. I: Where did you learn about Kundalini and, and the various techniques that You now teach? Shri Mataji: I didn’t learn anything at all because I knew all this from My very childhood. This is innately built within you, the whole knowledge. Like as you are born as a human being, you can see it is bad smell, isn’t it? Nobody has to tell you it is bad smell. But a horse doesn’t feel the bad smell. In the same way you are born at a higher stage, you see many more things and you know many more things. I knew that, I was like that from very childhood. As you know that you are a human being as soon as you are born. Interviewer: Did the people around you recognize this in You very, very early in your life? Shri Mataji: I mean, some people like My father did recognize. Not only that, but he knew the purpose of My life and all that. But some people, I mean there were different reactions, I should say, according to their understanding. But all of them knew that there is something unique about Me. Interviewer: Does Your belief now, how does that connect to Christianity? If You were raised in a Christian family, have You risen beyond the Christian religion, or beyond all religions? Shri Mataji: I am beyond all the religions, I should say. And you also rise above it because the religion that we know of now are- once upon a time were real flowers on the living tree of life. But they plucked it. They said, “This is mine, this is mine”, and they took it away and these flowers have become now ugly and dead. They are not living any more. So, all these religions are just giving you a lip service. They are not giving you actualization. Actually the attention from the Spirit is gone. Interviewer: Do You believe that the Jesus Christ was Holy? Shri Mataji: Of course, He was. Not only (that) but He was Holiness completely, that He was the Pranava, He was the Omkara. He was the Divine Power Himself when He came on this Earth. And through Him only we give Realization because He is settled in a center here which is the door. Door to the limbic area which is… Interviewer: Which is the center of the forehead. Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Interviewer: The center of the forehead. Shri Mataji: No, it is not. It’s shown here at the center but it is between the pituitary and the pineal body on the optic chiasma. There is a very subtle center of Christ which is the door and through which the Kundalini has to pass. If the Kundalini stops there, invariably in a Christian it does because Christians are not following Christ, they are following the church. They should follow the Christ as Christ has said I’ll be calling you Christ, Christ… you will be calling Me, Christ, Christ and I wouldn’t recognize. This is what exactly happened – that they do not recognize Christ. Christ has said the first and foremost thing a Christian has to do is to get rebirth. You, your Spirit has to come in your awareness. This is what He said and that attention is not there. We are organizing churches, we are organizing this, we are doing all other things. Living work is to be done. This is the living work and this is what it is. This is real true Christianity and true Islam and true everything because that is what they taught us – to be one with the Spirit. That’s the main thing we are avoiding. Interviewer: Can you describe what you believe is the purpose of us all being here? These days people seem to be searching more, seem to be more and more confused. I am sure there are many people who don’t feel they are but there are an awful lot of people who do seem to be lost, do seem to be searching for some truth, some reason for being here. Can you explain, what You believe is a reason for being on Earth? Shri Mataji: You see, they are seekers. Why? Because they have not found their own meaning; we have not found our meaning, we do not know. Even the science cannot explain why we have become human beings; Why the nature has taken so much trouble to discard so many animals and things and to make us as human beings; What is the purpose. They are trying to find out their purpose – Why are they here on this Earth? And they are here only for one purpose, is to become one with the Spirit so that they understand and enjoy the beauty of God’s Kingdom. Interviewer: We were created by God? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. Who else you think could have created such a wonderful thing like a human being? Interviewer: Do you see the God being the same God that the Christians worship and the Muslims worship? Shri Mataji: Yes, just the same. Interviewer: It’s all the same God? Shri Mataji: That’s not the Christians I would say, but that’s what Bible has described is the same. So there’s a difference between what the Christians believe because they’ve put interpretations some times, you see. Interviewer: Well, the Bible describes, for instance, in the first testament the very revengeful God, in many ways, a very angry God at times, that sort of stories. I am wondering how Your view of God fits into the Bible’s description of God. Is it identical? Shri Mataji: It is very much so. But you see, Bible was written at various places by various people and it was synchronized also. Christ’s life was only for four years there and people didn’t allow Him to talk much, you see. Just they just killed Him and crucified Him and He had His disciples who were just fishermen. How He could talk to them about Parasympathetic and Sympathetic and all those things? And they also did not believe Him till He got Resurrection. It was a big problem at that time and that’s why the whole thing becomes very narrow; though very deep. So to understand Christianity, you must get your Realization, then you can go deep into it and see what He wanted to convey to us. There are many things you cannot explain like, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames. Those who are not against Me are with Me.” Who are those people He is talking about? So all these things can be only explained once you get Realization. Now the concept of God is, the way people interpret is very funny, as if they think He is a rock of Gibraltar. One, God means that He doesn’t have eyes, nose, everything, but He has aspects. God has many aspects and the aspect, that is, the witness act aspect of the God Almighty has another aspect, which is His Power. And this Power incarnates and this Power has three other Powers by which She creates, She desires and She wars. These three Powers are there and that’s how there are many aspects of God out of which the God’s aspect that they know of, is the God who is just a spectator. He is the spectator and His Power is the one that creates. He is the only spectator. Now, when He doesn’t like spectacle, when the people or whatever is created is no good, He takes out His attention, and that’s how it is destroyed and finished. So He has to be punishing God also. Otherwise, human beings in their freedom, do not know how far to go. They even challenge God. They do not believe in Him and then they have to learn it. Cancer is one of the things that’s apunishment of God I think. Because we are too much occupied, preoccupied with our own problems and with our own understanding of life and we project ourselves too much into extremes, we go beyond human sustenance and we develop these diseases. And then a balance is needed. It’s most surprising – even in nature you can see. When you work very hard, you get a Heart attack. When you work very hard with your brain, you get Heart attack. And when your work very hard with your Heart, means when you are say get very emotional and weep and cry, you get a brain damage. Something so interesting, how the balance is even created by nature, it shows in the same way God also punishes us when we do not look after our sustenance, our human being, as He requires the different qualities to be maintained within us,. like the gold has a quality that it is untarnishable. In the same way human beings have these ten qualities described in the Ten Commandments and we, we just say, “what’s wrong?” You see, this is all Ego oriented societies. They say, “What’s wrong? What is wrong with it? Why should we condition ourselves?” But we forget that if we do not look after this right, our Ego develops and it becomes like a big balloon. We start seeing it, as if it is coming out like a horn and get you frightened. Then you take to drugs and alcohols, you want to run away and escape, you can’t bear your Ego. You just see the colors, all stuff coming on you. So all these problems come because we do not understand that we have to keep a temperate mind, we have to be in moderation. We have to be in the center and not to go to extremes. I: Mataji, You mentioned a number of things that I wanted to question You about. One is satan and You said that some of these people who have young followers in cults are satanic and in just a moment we’ll talk about that I think… [Radio station specifics/advertisement……] My guest is a practicer of or teacher of Sahaja Yoga, Mataji Nirmala Devi, and She is in Australia to speak to Her followers, and to speak to people who would care to listen about a method of discovering Self Realization. I think that’s the best way to put it… Mataji, we’ve talked about God, let’s talk about satan for a moment, You obviously believe there are evil forces? Shri Mataji: Of course, there are evil forces, very many, and they come to us from the left and the right side within us called as, left side is called the Collective Subconscious areas and the right side is called Collective Supraconscious area and these are the busy bodies. Interviewer: To say that again, the Collective Subconscious area is the left hand side? Shri Mataji: Yes, left hand side and Collective Supraconscious area on the right hand side. Now these are the areas which are unknown areas as the doctors say, from where they get some attack of proteins, which like protein-58 and all that, which attacks and triggers the cancer, you see. This I’ve said about ten-fifteen years back. But now the doctors have started seeing them and photographing them. Now these are the areas where all the dead spirits who were two types, one the sly type are on the left hand side and the ambitious type are on the right hand side. Interviewer: Dead spirits? Shri Mataji: Yes, dead. Interviewer: Inside the skull? Shri Mataji: Inside us. You see we can approach them within ourselves. Now they are, that these areas are within us and we can get out of these areas also. Because if ours, if we spread our attention side ways, we can go to these areas also. And once you go to these areas, those people who are sensible, who die sensibly or those who are Realized souls, they go to another areas where they are to be born again or they remain there. But those who are still dissatisfied or cruel people or satanic forces, they remain around and these are the people actually maneuvered by people who try to mesmerize, and they have their ways. In Sanskrit language it is called as Pretavidya, means the knowledge of the dead. The knowledge of the Smashana, means the burial places. They go and practice these things there and try to overpower these spirits, those are evil ones, and use them for mesmerizing and using them for their own purposes. It’s a science known to India for many years, how people do these things. It’s a evil science. Even in England, I was surprised, they had witchcraft and they knew about witches and all that. And still they are busy too much doing all these things. They … Interviewer: Do these Spirits have a Power? Do You believe; these evil Spirits? Shri Mataji: They, they have no Power. They are just like human beings who are dead, but they are evil people and they can enter into your psyche and they can affect you. They give you epilepsy. So many of your emotional problems come from them; most of the lunacy I’ve seen. I mean all the lunatic people I have seen have this problem. Even the cancer people, I have seen, have the problem more from the… Interviewer: How do you know they have this problem? Can you see a demon? Shri Mataji: No, not by seeing, but you can feel them on their hands. For example, if you have a cancer patient facing you, you see, you find the left side, left hand starts shaking very much like a lunatic shakes and things, and the heat starts coming from the left hand side. Not so much from the right hand side to begin with. That shows the affectation is from the subconscious area, I mean the collective subconscious area. Also epilepsy comes from the supraconscious area when the people start projecting themselves, say, they say that we want to fly in the air or they want to think too much ambitiously about things – to create gold out of something. All these nonsensical ideas you see. Then they project to the right side. And when they project to the right side, in the beginning, somebody who is on the right side can enter into the being and can possess, and such a person can be very ego-oriented and can be successful for the time being. But then, riding two men or two human beings on one body, he becomes very tired and even at the sight of a thing like a garlic, that person starts racking. Even a church they see, they start racking. Interviewer: A Church? Shri Mataji: Church even. Even a incense if they see, they start racking. Any temple they see, rattling; they cannot bear the name of God. They start rattling. All their nerves are finished; they become recluses after sometime. In the beginning they become very, sort of, active, over active and become very successful sort of people. But then they collapse and they collapse very badly. Interviewer: Perhaps I should just ask You in that line, the whole idea of spirits and of evil spirits. Does this come from an idea of reincarnation, of a sort of wheel of life? What do You believe happens after death? Shri Mataji: You see, after death you would never die. Actually only there are five elements you are made of, out of which the earth element really falls off and the other four elements remain. And the water oozes out a little, little like that, and you become a small entity, which is the Soul. The Soul has got the Kundalini on top of the head and the Spirit on top of the head and all the four elements are there intact. So you, you can think you can do many things; you can materialize. For example, you can move any instrument that is here even without seeing the person. You can just move the things from here to there. But people must understand this is not God’s work. All these things are not God’s work. Like sitting down and talking to dead bodies and dead people is also very wrong, because there’s no justice done to that. For example, if you say somebody loves the father or the mother; they want to talk to them. Is very wrong because you must give them freedom, they belong to another area. And why do you want to entangle them with this present times, because they are in the past now. You have to be in the present. They have to be in the past. Leave them alone. Now, like, I would say… Interviewer: Do they come back and are reborn, or not? Shri Mataji: Yes, they come into you. I have seen now this disease anorexia, asthmas, can be cured. Most of the people who get asthmas have a problem because their parents have died early. Interviewer: This is asthma? Shri Mataji: Asthma. Or may be that they have a bad father, or they have been bad fathers or something, now what we called the right Heart center, and this can be cured. Today only I cured gentleman who had asthma big trouble. Because of this, because he was pining for his father; his father died when he was twelve years of age, he was very much shocked. You have to just tell that, “father you take your birth again”, thrice. It works out. Anorexia is another thing. Is the same thing… Interviewer: Well, in the series of reincarnations, incarnation of the Spirit goes around and rises. It just comes back, is born again in another body and rises, becomes more and more knowledgeable or pure. That’s the theory of reincarnation, isn’t it?… Is that what you believe? Shri Mataji: Yes, I, I… not believe, but it is the truth because Christ didn’t talk about it much. Why Christ did not talk? Because it’s a very, very controversial stuff. If you tell somebody that there is reincarnation, even today I find the same thing. Like Indians, the first thing they will ask, “What was My first birth?” Because you go into your past, you see. Christ wanted them to be in the present. So He didn’t discuss it. But He said, “I’ll come again.” How He will come if He cannot reincarnate? Interviewer: Well now, You believe the, the evil Spirits are people who have died and have not reincarnated? Shri Mataji: Yes, and some of them can be satanic forces who have taken birth, (and) they have been doing always satanic work. But people do not want to believe that there is something evil. They think that everything… that’s very good of them to say that. But once Christ criticized others. So they asked Him, “Why are you criticizing? They do not criticize you.” So He said, The satan is not going to speak against themselves.” You see, is the only the holy person can see these two things. He is the only one who discriminates that these are satanic. Interviewer: I don’t understand. I don’t quite understand what you are saying. Could you repeat that? Shri Mataji: You see, if the satanic persons are there, they will always say that there’s no satan. How will they say there is a Satan? Because, then they will be found out. So they always say there is no satan; every thing is good, every thing is fine and that’s how you enter into the lion’s den, you see. To be really [not clear – molested?] to be tortured. But this is the only way one can say. I: All right, we’ll start after the break… [Announcement] We will now take some calls… Hello, yes good evening… QM: Hello, how are you? I: I am well. Thank you. QM: Look, can I ask Mataji a question or…? I: Yes please, She’s listening to you. QM: Right. Mataji, how do we get the baptism as described by Christ? I think You said, “You must be baptised in the Holy Spirit.” Shri Mataji: You see, we have a center within us, as I told you before, between the pineal and pituitary body on the Optic Chiasma. A subtle center is there which is the center of Christ. Now, when you raise the Kundalini you find that at this spot the Kundalini stops if you have a little problem with Christ. For example, if you have been following Christ in a wrong way, in an unauthorized way without understanding Him or if you are not a forgiving person also, you might get this center blocked completely. This is the door, which leads to the limbic area, which is the kingdom of God. Now, when this center is blocked and you see the Kundalini just pulsating there, then you have to take the name of Christ. A Sahaja yogi has to take the name of Christ and request Christ that, “Please be awakened on this center”. When he says only Christ’s name, no other name, and that of Mary, then only this Kundalini rises through that center. Christ’s other name in Sanskrit language is Maha Vishnu. So you can also take His name as Maha Vishnu by which the Kundalini rises; you see it. And the person becomes thoughtlessly aware. That’s how you get your realization through Christ only, as far as this center is concerned; because this is the last center where you enter into the realm of limbic area, which is actually the kingdom of God. But from there, you have to get realization through another center, which is the last one. I: Can I ask just here how, how this all comes about? Does one meditate? How does one start this all happening? Shri Mataji: It’s like, as I told you, that they… in the beginning they stretch their hands or you can say the palms towards Me as we do in the Namaz and then… I: That’s stretching the hands out? Shri Mataji: Yes, stretching the hands. Yes, like that. And then from the fingers ends the energy flows inside and invites the Kundalini; tells that there is somebody who is the authority. Then the Kundalini starts rising. It’s a very quick thing. Some people get it in a split of a second – if their Kundalini is all right; if they are simple people, not complicated; ia they do not have any emotional problems and all that. They are very quick; they just get it in no time. But those who have problems have these pulsations. You can see them going here and there. If you have a liver problem, you see the Kundalini going to the liver and just sitting there and giving energy to sustain it. Like that. Then it rises gradually and you see the gradual progress of the Kundalini. And those who have got anywhere obstruction, you have to say a mantra or a chanting or an awakening thing which awakens a particular Deity. I: So, it is a sort of meditation? Shri Mataji: You become in meditation. You cannot meditate, you become. It is the becoming; you cannot do meditation. There is no technique for it; it’s a happening which is spontaneous. But afterwards when you have got realization, when your Kundalini is awakened, to increase its expansion, to have better Chakras and all that, you can repair it with a technique. But after realization, not before it. You have to make your car start to see where there is mistake, you see. I: Right. So You are saying at this point once you’ve taken the Kundalini into you or opened yourself up to the Kundalini, that you can then call upon God or Christ to, into you? Shri Mataji: No, Christ is within you. He resides in this point, as I told you, in the Agnya Chakra which is placed between the subtle center between the pituitary and the pineal body. He is there, but He is not yet awakened. In the sense, He is awakened by Himself but He is not come in our consciousness. When the Kundalini reaches there, She suggests that there is a… Christ is not allowing the Kundalini to pass through. He is not allowing, He is not happy, so you have to request Him that, “please allow the Kundalini to pass. But this request must go from a realized soul, from an authorized person or you can even sometimes maneuver it by giving some vibrations in that area through your hand, or may be through the photograph or something, and then the Kundalini rises. You have to take His name. That is what… I: Now, how is this different from what Christians say when they say you should open up and let the Christ, let Christ into you? Is that the same thing? Shri Mataji: No, because that’s just a lip service. This is a real thing; if it doesn’t happen, doesn’t happen. It happens, it happens. It’s just a lip service – nothing happens to your fontanel bone area after baptism, nothing happens to your eyes. It should be dilated when it is opened out. Nothing happens to you, it’s just a lip service. You do like this. It’s all artificial like, I’d say that “you eat this food”, there is no food; “you take it in your hand”, there’s no plate. You just imagine that there is plate, there is food and you eat, will you get the satisfaction? I: “Interesting”, I don’t know whether the call of yours, the question, has been answered. QM: [Not clear] I: Thanks for calling. The caller mentioned “baptism as described by Christ”. What did he mean by that? Shri Mataji: This is the same thing He said. Every word that He said is to be proved today through realization, because after realization you are connected to the mains and a rapport is established. I: What did He say? That follow me and you will… [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Yes He said, “you have to be born again.” Again and again He said, “you have to be born again.” But when I went to America and I said, “You have to be born again”, so everybody was sitting with tape-recorder and all that and they taped all My speeches. And people warned Me that they will publish books, these are writers. So I said, “Let them publish.” So they started also some cults saying, “Born again,” you see. How can you have self-certification like that? If you are born again, you should be able to tell about the Chakras of another person in your own Chakras and about the Kundalini. Isn’t it? I: What’s a Chakra? Shri Mataji: Chakras are the subtle centers through which this Kundalini rises. These are subtle centers within us placed in our backbone and also in the brain, which are the milestones of our evolution. I: All right, well… As the caller said, it’s a bit mind blowing but we’ll keep talking about it. And let’s talk about Self-realization as Mataji Nirmala Devi sees it. She is indeed a remarkable person and has given us an awful lot to talk about. Some of it is very difficult, I guess, to understand. It’s a concept that I certainly have not heard about before. And all the talk about the energy within us, the life-forces within us… And so many people have talked about the forces we are supposed to have within our Spirit or our Soul or physical and spiritual bodies. Tonight we are talking to someone who has a definite concept of what that’s all about and if you would like to talk to Her… [Advert] Interviewer: And tonight on the Forum, we are looking at the subject of Self Realization and talking about Sahaja Yoga and its practice and my guest tonight is Mataji Nirmala Devi…. And perhaps just to recap, I can read from the brochure about Sahaja Yoga and its practice. After many years of careful and tremendously successful experimentation we feel it is time to tell all genuine seekers that Sahaja Yoga, the discovery of Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi, can definitely take one to the higher dimensions of consciousness, which has been promised by all the scriptures. It opens within us the central channel leading to the inner space of peace and joy, of complete integration and harmony; it happens. Sleeping within each of us there is a potential, spiritual energy called Kundalini. This Shakti, and a very complex mechanism relating to it, is not revealed before the happening of Self Realization. At this blessed moment, Kundalini rises within the spine and pierces the fontanel membrane at the top of the head. The subject feels, then, pervaded by total silence and exquisite well-being. He is absolutely aware but without thoughts and He feels in his hands a kind of wind of vibrations. The experience can be weak or, on the contrary, very powerful depending upon the conditions of the inner mechanism of the subject at the time of the experience. The guidances of the great Sadgurus, Sadgurus of the past who taught us the rules of Dharma who are meant to keep this delicate mechanism fit for Kundalini rising. Well, that’s part of this thing called Sahaja Yoga and that’s what we’ve been talking about. My guest is the discoverer, is Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is here to talk to us tonight. 49:40 Interviewer: Can I ask you what these words Dharma and Karma, what do they mean? Shri Mataji: Dharma is the sustenance, sustenance within us. As I told you before, that human beings have ten sustenances as described – ten commandments, in the Bible. This is the sustenance of human beings. If he has to be a human being, he has to have these sustenances within them. In the animals, the sustenance is there with no free will for the animals to change it. For example, a lion remains a lion, a mango remains a mango; It cannot change itself. But human beings can become a lion or a scorpion or can become even a snake or can become a tiger. So human beings only have the free will to change their sustenance. But to be human being is very important, so that you become a super human being. Unless and until you have Dharma within you, you cannot go beyond it. Because these sustenances then get enlightened, then you become. Then you have no temptations. Nobody has to tell you, “Do not get into temptation.” Nobody has to tell you then : “don’t tell lies”; nobody has to tell you that: “don’t steal.” You just don’t do it because you become that. You become that light. This is what happens through Kundalini awakening. The another word is Karma is very interesting. Karma is the fruit of the action that we have been doing, whether good or bad. Now, this was all said very long, long time back, much before Christ, when people had all their sins and all their Karmas or good things or bad things stored in them, and they had no way of getting out of it. They had to go through various circles of birth and rebirth, again and again, to overcome all those things. For example, a person, say, he is an ardent Muslim. So he will be born an ardent Hindu next life. Like that he goes on choosing and ultimately he reaches certain conclusions that you have to be in the center, you don’t have to go any extremes. You are not to be a fanatic or you are not to deny God. But you reach a stage where it is beyond you. Then Christ came on this Earth as the son of God and He died for our sins. Means, He is the one who has created a door for us by which our Karmas can be absorbed. So now, when the Kundalini rises, when She crosses through this Agnya Chakra, the position I told you where Christ resides within us is a subtle center between the pituitary and peneal body on the Optic Chiasma is the one, that one gets opened up and that allows the Kundalini to suck your ego and superego, both. So taking out all that is supposed to be the Karma and that’s how, when the Kundalini awakens, She takes most of it. Your Karmas just dissolves – if the force is great, the whole of it can be dissolved. But… Interviewer: So Karma is like your, your sins? Shri Mataji : No, it is a myth. Actually it is a myth, because for animals there is no, nothing like Karma because animals do not think they are doing anything. If a, if a tiger has to attack a man, he has to attack because he must eat. He doesn’t think it’s a sin. But human beings in their freedom start feeling they are doing it. You see, they think they are doing this. They are doing nothing. They are just doing dead work. You see this is all dead – from dead to the dead. Can you ask anyone of them to transform a flower into fruit? Human beings do not do one living work. It’s only dead work they do. Like some birds take some straws and make a nest; they don’t think we have done something. But human beings, they say, “Oh, we have built this building, we have done this”, and also they have harnessed some of the material powers, you see, like electricity, you can say, and other things. And then they think we have done this and we have done that – is a myth. And this myth drops out because living work is very different from what is a dead work is. So this myth that “I am doing”, just drops out. 54 :20 Interviewer: Interesting. All right, let’s take another call… Hello. Auditor : Good evening. There are a lot of things to say. I have to start off by asking, “Is the Christ the conscious contact between the human and the Divine and was this link recognized and protected by the man Jesus?” Shri Mataji: No, He could not. You did not allow Him, He was crucified. I wish it could have been done that time but it was not. You just… it was very premature. You never… the people never gave Him any chance. I mean they just crucified Him for nothing at all. They never understood, they never recognized. Interviewer: But is the Christ the link between man and the Divine? Shri Mataji: Of course. He is the door. Interviewer: The door? Shri Mataji: Yes, but it is. He’s not the destination. Destination is the Spirit which is also Christ, in a way, which can be explained later on, if they come to our center; how Christ is everywhere. Because He is the embodiment of Divine Love. He is the embodiment of that Power which flows in your hand. He is the Spirit. Interviewer: Well, the Man, the Man Jesus, if we had let Him live, would have been able to open this door for all of us?” Shri Mataji: It should have happened, but they did not. One could have worked it out, but it’s rather difficult. Auditor: He obviously did recognize the [UNCLEAR] else He would’nt have been able to resurrect Himself? 56 :15 Shri Mataji: Yes, He will. I: The point the caller was making was, “Christ did realize this and He was able to resurrect Himself.” Shri Mataji: You see He was, He was the Divine Power. Nobody can kill Divine Power. That’s what Krishna had said that it cannot be killed and that’s what He proved. What Krishna said He proved it very well that He cannot be killed and that’s how He was resurrected. And that resurrection is the message of Christianity that you all should be resurrected. You should become your Spirit and not this body. QM: That is He is saying to us, “Don’t make Me an idol, make Me the Ideal. I: He is saying that Christ said, “Don’t make Me an idol, make Me the ideal.” Shri Mataji: That’s true. You see, if you now get your realization you will understand Him much better. You will do full justice to Him and you’ll recognize Him also and you’ll recognize Me. You never recognize. None of you could recognized any one of the incarnations who came on this Earth, and how we tortured them and troubled them. But now after realization, through your vibrations you can recognize because if Christ comes, you will see, the vibrations in your hand will increase tremendously. I: How many? Have there been any other, I am not just putting a question here, have there been any other men apart from Jesus, who have been as Holy as Jesus was? Shri Mataji: There have been so many incarnations of different aspects of God on this Earth. Much before Christ was, the first one was that of Shri Rama, we can say, as a human being who came and He lived like an ideal King. Because, He had to say what an ideal King and a ideal Man has to be. And His wife was the Holy Spirit with Him. Then came Krishna, who was another incarnation of Shri Rama, that aspect of a father, and then came Christ. Also Abraham, Moses and Mohammed Sahib, Nanak, Janak, all these great people. I: These are all Holy men? Shri Mataji: These are, these are prophets and these prophets are actually the embodiment of a principle called as Primordial Master, Adiguru and they incarnated on this Earth. And the main of them are ten and they reside in the visceral cavity we have in the stomach. I: Are you, are you a prophet? Are you an incarnation, yourself? Shri Mataji: That you better find out. I am not going to say anything about Myself because whenever they try to say the truth even, we crucified, Christ only tried to say that. Krishna told to one disciple only. Rama never told even to His father. And if I now do not take advantage of experiences, then it won’t be good. I: (laughs) (both) ….okay (Mother Laughs)…. Shri Mataji: I must be something. But if you had the knowledge of Hindu scriptures you would know what I must be. The way Kundalini rises in My presence it has a definite significance and it is described very clearly what sort of a person can do that. QM: What is the spelling of this particular form of yoga? I: S a h a j a QM: What does the Mataji think of, or what can She say about people called Siddha people? I: Are they in Australia? I think we have to be careful that we are not talking about any particular groups. I don’t think we want to name any particular group… Shri Mataji: No, No, No, No. There is no need to have any controversy. Only thing you should judge, one thing – what have they achieved; have they got their own powers? Those who are followers. This is the main thing. Have you got your own Powers? Are you Master of yourself? Do you know what you are doing? Do you know? Can you feel others, can you feel yourself? Can you say exactly, what’s wrong with you? Exactly can you say what’s wrong with others? This is what it is. Are you fully aware? That’s how you judge yourself. Not by names and things, is not proper. Because, have you achieved it? I: I think that’s the answer of the question. QM: I read a series of books called “Life’s teachings of the Masters of the far east” written by an American who was born in India and migrated… I: What is it called? QM: The Life and teachings of the masters of the Far East. I: And who was it by? QM: A man named Spaulding. He wrote them over a number of years. The first in 1924 and the last in 1955 and he is talking about a journey in India, in the Himalayas and he was quoting from ancient preachings and these preachings were attributed to these people called Siddha. And this name of course pops up in a lot of Indian literature and… I: Siddha? QM: Siddha. There’s another word [INAUDIBLE] This word Siddha seems to pop up in a lot of reading that I have done. I: I request Mataji to comment. What is Siddha? Shri Mataji: I’ll tell you. Siddha means the one who has got realization, who has been proved, who has got realization. But not… you cannot have a self-certificate “I am a ” by paying some money to some one, you see, or by doing something. It is a happening, which is living happening. Again I say that there is no effort. You cannot put in any effort. What effort did you put to become a human being from a monkey? You just became spontaneously. In the same way it is effortless. It should just happen effortlessly, that is first thing. And you cannot pay for it. Now, the books, and books and books, they are to be written. This is another kind of exploitation – is to write books about somebody. If an American goes to India, or anybody goes to India, did he have eyes to see? Did he have eyes to recognize? How can he say anything about somebody who is a Siddha or not? You cannot make out anybody who is a Siddha or not unless and until you are a realized soul yourself. You must have eyes to see. In darkness if you walk and you are blind, what are you going to write? I mean, I have seen people writing huge books about Kundalini and they don’t know where the Kundalini is. I mean, it’s surprising such honest people how they indulge into this because somebody writes. How much does it take to write? You take… I mean you pay little money and you just can write any book you feel like. How many books did Christ read? There’s no need to read any book. By reading if you are going to get realization then it’s a very surprising thing. I: But Siddha is someone who has… Shri Mataji: That means that. I mean this is elf-certification, you see. Just say that you are a Siddha because you have paid so much money, fees or something like that. That’s not the way. Siddha is a person who is a Self Realized person, who is, who is being proved. Siddha means the one who has been proved to be a realized person, and that’s a high state where you are collectively conscious; that you know how to raise the Kundalini; that you can give realization and that you understand everything. The whole technique of it is the Siddha; not the one who, who pays the money and becomes a something. It’s not that way. I: “Does that answer your question?” QM: Oh, yes. I was aware that money should not be the object. The thing is in what direction you are going. When you see the cost, it’s obviously not… I: We’ve got people waiting with their questions. QM: All right. I: Thanks for calling. [Radio station specifics] My guest tonight is a yogi and a mother who is Mataji Nirmala Devi, who is here to give a program of public talks to Her followers and anybody who would like to come along. The dates for the talks for those who are interested (we had lot of people calling to find out) will be this Wednesday and this Friday night at Maccabean Hall, 146, Darling Hurst Road, Darling Hurst at 7.30 p.m. If you would like to hear Mataji talk. Mataji, You did say that this energy that we can get from You perhaps can be got through the Radio, from your voice, by reaching out hands, palms facing upwards… Shri Mataji: Yes, and listening to me. If you put your hands towards Me, facing towards Me as if you are asking for something. and if you listen to Me, I think it can work out. Because in big roofs like six thousand and seven thousand people in India where we don’t have such good system of also broadcasting and I have seen people getting Realization only through My voice and they don’t even see Me so clearly. Now what you have to do is to just stretch your hands towards Me thinking that I am there and close your eyes. Now… I: Not if you are driving? Shri Mataji: Not. if you’re driving. Then you have to stop your car for a while because your, your eyes might get dilated. So it’s better to stop your car and just stretch your hands and if you could loosen your feet from your shoes will be a better idea. Even to take out your feet out of your shoes will be good idea, and a loosen little bit of your tie if you have any and sit in a relaxed manner. Now, for raising the Kundalini I’ll have to see the different centers, normally, that you catch, you see, and in general I will be able to tell you what is to be done. Now, what I feel is (that) the first center that you are catching now is the center where you are feeling guilty; because when I talk to you, you must have picked up on some words which makes you feel guilty. And this again I have to tell you that you should not feel guilty any more. Because Christ has done the job for you. So you should say, “I am not guilty.” It’s a very big fashion, in Australia specially, to feel guilty all the time. I don’t know what is the training is. I: To be a sinner, original sinner. Shri Mataji: No you are not. Your sins have been taken away. Why? What’s the use of Christ coming on this Earth? If you are a originally sinner, all right. Now, why did He come on this Earth? So you should say, “I am not guilty.” Get over this feeling. “I am not guilty.” That’s another thing the Christians are doing now is to ask people to confess. Why to confess? I mean Christ has done that for you. Whatever you have been committed, sins and all that, will be forgiven. If the Kundalini rises, it’s all forgiven. So you have to go on saying that, “I am not guilty.” I can feel the center now, sitting down here. Most of you are having this very big center in you saying that you are guilty. First of all you have to go on saying thrice or four times that, “I am not guilty.” It’s very important. Then the second center, which you are catching, is also very Australian style combination. What we call is the left navel center. It comes from your spleen. That means you are a speedy person. You are extremely speedy and you talk telescopically, you walk telescopically. You have no time for breakfast, no time for lunch and you make your spleen absolutely crazy. And this crazy spleen is a very dangerous thing. It leads you ultimately to something very, very serious which I would not like to mention to frighten you. But this speediness must be brought down. Now, to bring the speediness down, what you have to say that, “I have all the time for Meditation. I have all the time for God. I have all the time for everything. I am not in a hurry at all. Just say like that; it will help you a lot. “I am not in a hurry.” That’s the thing. At this time, specially in such a relaxed program, at least at this time you can say, “oh I am not in a hurry.” Just say that. This will bring down your speed. You are extremely speedy and that shows on My fingers and on My toes. I can feel it that you are speedy. Then, some of you have been to unauthorized Gurus and to unauthorized people. In that case you have to say, “Mother, am I my own Guru?” Just ask the question thrice; just say, “Mother, am I my own Guru?” If I say that, again you catch on the guilt. If I say anything you don’t catch on the guilt because once you say, “I am not guilty”, you are not guilty for anything. So when I say to you, you just say this what I am saying that “Am I my own Guru, Mother, after realization?” Just ask the question. Now another thing we have to do is to forgive others. Really we should forgive. Go on saying, “I forgive everyone. Mother, I forgive everyone”; say it thrice. It will help you. It will relax you very much. Go on saying, “I forgive.” Actually, Lord’s Prayer is a mantra. Is a chanting on the same Agnya Chakra I told you, where Christ resides, on the Optic Chiasma. That’s what you have to say. “I forgive. I forgive. I forgive.” Moreover, when you don’t forgive, what are you doing? It’s a myth. You are just torturing yourself for others. You are not torturing them whom you are not forgiving. It is they who are torturing you, and you are playing into their hands. So you go on saying, “I forgive. I forgive. I forgive. I forgive all of them.” This will relax you very much. You’ll have no thought in your mind. Close your eyes. Closing of the eyes is important because when the Kundalini rises, there is dilatation of the pupil. So better close your eyes. Now, you have to say that “Mother forgive us”, or you can say to God that, “Pplease forgive us if we have done anything knowingly or unknowingly against God.” This is to be said without feeling guilty, again. Without feeling guilty you should say that because once you say it, it is forgiven. It is forgiven. Then there should be no guilt. If it is forgiven, why should there be a guilt? This is a big disease, I think, in the west to feel guilty about everything. You have to get over. This is a very bad disease and it gives you lots of problems starting from Spondylitis of the neck, and then rest of them come after that. So not to feel guilty at all. You have to love yourself and you must know that you are men of God and women of God, are to be made prophets. And once you are made prophets, you can make others prophets. This is what William Blake has said about the times of Sahaja Yoga. He has clearly said all these things. Not only He has said where we are going to have a Ashram in Lambethway, we have our Ashram in the Runes [UNCLEAR], the foundations will be laid. He has said also where I will first go to England – is the Surrey Hills. All these things He has so clearly said it. It’s all going to happen to you because you deserve it. Now after saying, “forgive me” thrice, you have to ask for your realization. You say, “Mother, give me my Realization.” Say twice, thrice and you start feeling the cool breeze in your hand. After sometime you’ll find even the cool breeze coming out of your head, on top of your head on the fontanel bone area. You will find there’s cool breeze coming out like a jet. And if there is air conditioning, you better close it because it will quite cool now. You’ll feel very relaxed, extremely relaxed, will be thoughtless. Now don’t think about it, it has not happened to you by thinking. So don’t think about it; it is beyond thinking. And do come and see Me in Macabean Hall, where you will have to grow more and understand more about it. It’s like the sprouting of the seed, which has, which takes place without much difficulties. But as Christ Himself has said that “Some seeds fell on the rock and some fell in the waste in the same time”, it happens with us also. So it is better to know how to make this germination manifest itself into a big tree. May God bless you all. I: You are listening to the Forum and my guest to night is Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is talking tonight about Self-realization and I hope you are enjoying the program. It is interesting to me; It is something quite different. Mataji will be giving a program of talks this Wednesday and this Friday night at 7.30 at Macabean Hall, Dunning Hurst road, Dunning Hurst. Mother, I am not sure what to call You. I don’t know what I should call You. How do I describe what You are? Shri Mataji: Just call Me Mother. That’s all, sufficient. I: Does that describes what You are? Shri Mataji: Yes, that describes everything. I: All right. We have with us the Mother. QL: Hello Mother. Shri Mataji: Yes. QL: I wanted to know, is the cool breeze that You have spoken about, you feel on the hands the cool wind of the Holy Spirit, as spoken about in the Bible? Shri Mataji: Yes. Yes, yes, same thing, same thing. You have done the good job now, I must say. I: Is it the Holy Spirit? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, is the Holy Spirit. QL: Aha… I am feeling it now on my hand through the [not clear] Shri Mataji: It’s good. I: Did you want to say anything more than that? QL: No, I just… That’s all I wanted to know because I… Shri Mataji: Because you are thoughtless now. Enjoy yourself. QL: Thank you I: Hello QL: Hello I: Yes, good evening. QL: Good evening, and good evening Mother Mataji. QL: “Mother, when You began Your program, I think I heard You say that cancer invading the body could be an evil spirit. Is that what is understood? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. It comes through, you see, invasion of some of these things within you. Even a virus infection is coming from some vegetables who where out of circulation of evolution… QL: Yes… Shri Mataji: are affecting virus. And also these other proteins they talk of are nothing but some sort of a infection from the collective subconscious area from the left hand side. That’s what I have seen so far in the all the cancer patients that either they have been to black magic, or their parents have been to someone, or they’ve been to some sort of a clairvoyance or some sort of a thing like that, or one of these Gurus or some sort of like that, which is an unauthorized things to deal. Even psychologist can do that. I: So you are saying, You believe that Cancer is an Evil Spirit? Shri Mataji: No, I didn’t say that. Cancer is triggered by an entry of some sort of an unauthorized handling of the left sympathetic nervous system, to put it very precisely and scientifically. QL: Yea, I tried to understand You Mother Mataji, but not quite. My father had cancer and I developed it six years ago in exactly the same part of my body as my father had it. Shri Mataji: Yes. May be your father is to be told that “I am all right. Don’t worry about me. You get your birth and get your realization. QL: yes Shri Mataji: And he can leave you. And you can be perfectly all right if he leaves you, because he is worried about you. QL: Yes. And an another thing Mother. My daughter had a very serious car accident and she has epilepsy through the injury to her brain. I, I cannot accept her. It is over fifteen years ago. I haven’t been able to accept this crippling of her body and I wonder if your Sahaja Yoga would help me. Shri Mataji: It is still helping, but is she a seeker? I: She said her daughter. Her daughter had a car accident and developed epilepsy… QL: But I have not accepted to see that beautiful body of my daughter now so crippled and I cannot… I try very hard to accept it. But I can’t, Mother. Shri Mataji: See, you can cure her through Sahaja Yoga. You must come and see me at the Maccabean Hall and I’ll tell you how to do it. It’s not difficult. QL: Yes. Shri Mataji: But if the bones are been removed, and if doctors have put some sort of a dead material, then I won’t be able to work it out. QL: But the doctors have told me that there are so many cells of the brain that are absolutely dead and will never ever be regenerated. Shri Mataji: Let us see, we might try. I: I think, perhaps I should say that we are not in the business of healing people over the radio and it think it will lead to a lot of trouble if we pretend we are so that’s not what we are suggesting. Mother Mataji is simply saying that she believes that this may work out. So the best thing is perhaps to go and see Her. QL: Very well. Thank you. I: It’s an area we’ve got be careful with I think.[News break)…..(Advertisement] My guest is Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is from… originally from India and is now living in England and She is touring Australia for a series of lectures. This week it’ll be on Wednesday and Friday night at 7.30 at the Maccabean Hall. I: “Mataji, I wondered if I can just ask you about the daily troubles that we have. For instance, I am generally worrying about my business and financial pressures and so on that I have in a business I set up it goes up and down all the time. How does this sort of approach help us sort out daily, daily worries like financial worries? Shri Mataji: Within us we have a center which is called as the Navel Center which is responsible for looking after our well being – financial, material all these day-to-day problems as you call it. Shri Krishna has said that, “After yoga I look after your well being, but after yoga.” First you must be united with the Divine Power, then you become a member, or you can say a citizen, of God’s owned province and He looks after you. As your government, Australian Government looks after you, in the same way the Divine Power looks after you and your financial problems gets solved. They get completely solved. But you do not get over rich or extremely rich. If you are very poor you become all right. The main thing is the satisfaction that you get out of your endeavors and your financial things. For example: I will give you a simple example of this thing. They came and they asked Me, “Mother, what would you like to buy in Australia?” They told Me, “We import everything here, so what would you like to buy?” I said, “I would like to see a crockery shop.” Now, they took Me. They wanted to take Me to a particular crockery shop. But they took Me to another one saying that you cannot park the car here and there I met a lady who was given realization a year back and is a great seeker. But she is lost because she started sort of getting more busy with other things of life, mundane life and I just met her there. And after meeting her, it was such a, such a satisfaction to her, she said “Mother, I couldn’t come to your program so you have come all the way just to see me”. And they couldn’t understand why I wanted to go to a crockery shop, you see. Now what happens that when you are realized, your dimensions are so much alert that you start seeing things in a much better perspective. Like a business, immediately you know how far to go with it, the acumen, the business acumen as they say – just start getting you that enlightenment. For example, there was a gentleman who had lost his job when he came to Me. He got his realization and I told him, “All right, now you do some business.” He said, “What should I do?” I said, “All right, start with carpentry”, because, because of Christ I think I like carpentry very much. He said, “Carpentry, I am very bad at it.” I said, “All right, take to interior decoration.” He said, “I don’t know what is the wood is. I don’t know.” I: Sorry, I did not quite follow… He said… Shri Mataji: I don’t know what wood is. I mean, I don’t know what are the different styles of woods are, what is vineer, I don’t know a word about it. I said, “You will know everything. Just try your vibratory awareness.” And he started his decoration and he got lots of people coming to him and asking for him; and he just started arranging all the different woods and different styles of things and people were very happy with it; and he has made remarkable things. He has made lot of money out of it and people are still calling him for that work because he just suddenly developed that awareness by which he produced things, which were aesthetic and were appealing to people. Another thing is, those evil forces also bring you down. Like, we had a gentleman in Poona who was very bad at his business. Nobody would come to his shop and he was not selling anything. He said, “Mother, will you come to my shop one day?” I said, “It’s rather difficult for Me. But one day I’ll just… If I can, I’ll just drop in.” I went there. After that he started getting lots of people in his shop and now he’s become a rich man. He couldn’t understand why, how it has happened. Only My going there has worked so much. Second Part QL: ….Spirituality. Would Mataji say any of these cults are valid, or is Sahaja Yoga the only true path? I: Is this Sahaja Yoga the only true path? Shri Mataji: I wouldn’t say so bluntly, because you’ll be shocked. But I’ll tell you the other way round that if you have to germinate the seed, what do you do? You have to sprout the germination. Isn’t it? You have to germinate the primule of a seed. Isn’t that… That’s the only way you do it. Isn’t it? There’s no way, other way out. So in the same way, if you have to get your realization, it’s only the Kundalini awakening and it is done through Sahaja Yog only. But today it has taken a shape of Maha Yog. Means a great happening by which there is en mass realization. There are people who are getting realization in a mass. It’s not only one individual or two individual, but masses after masses have to get realization. Now if you say, “Which is the way a flower has to become a fruit?” There’s only one way. There are no two ways. Living things do not have two ways and five alternatives. These are all for human beings to take lots of decisions and do all these things. But for any living thing, it’s only one way it works out and that’s how it is. The germination within you, which is a living force of the living God, is the only way – is the Kundalini awakening. And that’s why we can say Sahaja is the only way. It is; there’s no other way out. QL: Well, Mataji, for those people who are seeking and who don’t want to come to Sahaja Yoga, what’ll happen to them? Shri Mataji: You see, they should come. Why not? They, they will all come and I can see your concern. Same concern I have. But they go after circuses; they go after people who are false; those who take money from them; those who befool them. They do not want to come to reality. What can you do about it? The choice is your own. QL: Thank you very much. I: Thanks for calling. What happens if they don’t come? Shri Mataji: They just don’t come because they don’t like reality. See they crucified Christ, why? They didn’t like Him, why? I: They were frightened? Shri Mataji: They were frightened; they are just frightened for nothing at all. Perhaps they are possessed, some of them. They are ego oriented? I: All right. It’s three minutes to eleven…Hello… 1:24:55 Auditor : … I would like to ask a few questions…. Shri Mataji : I can’t hear Auditor: You mentioned that diseases are only expressions of spiritual and emotional disarray. Interviewer: You mentioned that diseases are an expression of emotional and… Shri Mataji: Physical imbalances. Interviewer: Physical imbalances. Auditor: That asthma could be caused by one of a person’s parents dying young. I, I’ve always believed that diseases are caused by an expression of spiritual disarray because someone is not obeying their karma. I wonder if you would like to elaborate a bit on that? Is it the bad karma that’s not being obeyed or could have some result for instance or any disease because of one’s parents, a child’s parents died young, or suffering from anorexia, I don’t know what you’re going say… Interviewer: Mataji is having difficulty in understanding you. If you could just speak a little more slowly. Auditor: You mentioned, in speaking, that diseases are caused by spiritual and emotional disarray in a person. I am interested to know, or to reconcile, how some diseases could be caused – you mentioned asthma for instance – could be caused in a person? Shri Mataji: You see, first you mentioned about karma. First thing I must tell you, what we understand in karma is something very, very narrow also. You see, supposing you are in imbalance, all right? Now, if your father or anybody’s father, for example, you are too attached to your father, and if such a thing happens that your father leaves you or something happens like that, your principle of father in you is shaken. I mean this is not your karmas, but this is your father’s karma that it shakes you. Or may be his death is not your karma nor his karma. But something like that happens while you have been so attached that, that portion is shaken up, because human beings are very delicate things. As they are very aware, they have to be extremely delicate and very beautifully made. As you see any machinery, which is very sensitive, is extremely delicate. In the same way, human beings are extremely sensitive and delicate and we don’t know how to handle ourselves. That’s why the problems come in. But the karma business is very gross stuff. 1 :27 :27 I: Mataji, I would just stop you there and we will come back to this after the news. We must pause for the network news, we…. QL: Yes, Thank you. I: Thank you. Right, and we’ll be back after the news and we’ll talk some more about Self-realization and stay tuned with us… (News) Tonight we are talking about Self-realization and my guest is Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is here tonight to talk about the technique, perhaps, by which we can free ourselves from the physical and emotional and mental disorders that are caused by the stresses of modern life as they say, one way to put it. Just before the news we were talking to a caller and we were talking about karma, which to put it in modern terms would be all pluses and minuses of your past life, of your life until now and this is within you, and the caller was asking whether this is responsible for illness and Mataji is answering. I think, if I’ve got it right, that we don’t need to feel guilty and we don’t need to get any poison out of ourselves, and we don’t need to try to clear ourselves of past deeds or past sins but we need to progress now to a higher state of consciousness of Self-realization and let’s ask the caller. Are you there? QL: Yes. I: Mataji was talking about karma. QL: Right. She has answered the question. Can I ask another one? I: Sure QL: About the Kundalini… I have a friend who meditated for about six or eight hours. He has unfortunately gone through an awful, emotional experience. He did not experience the cool breeze but rather a burning fire. Shri Mataji: That’s very true. If you do not know how to do it, you get all these problems. Like villagers coming to the city, putting their hands into the plug and saying that the electricity only burns you. You see, it is to be done by a person who knows the job, who is authorized and such a person has to be a holy person. It cannot be done, everyone. So somebody who knows the job, in the sense not scientifically but through the authority of God, should be able to do it. So it is always the fire and all these business come because, not the Kundalini that punishes you. Kundalini is your own individual Mother. She does not punish. But there is a deity, sitting at the base of the Kundalini. It gets very annoyed and it starts lashing you on the sympathetic nervous system. But it’s not that only you feel fire. Sometimes people even get blisters and things. Is a wrong way of doing a thing. I: Just from meditation? Shri Mataji: Yes. You see, if you try to do… there are certain nonsensical things they do, which I do not want to talk here. But all these nonsensical things can lead to problems. QL: Another question? Regards, I guess it regards karma and dharma once again. God said that we were all created equal and we are. But then, we are not born equal. And we’re not born equal because of our past and our reincarnations. I was wondering if in the end whether we will all have been reincarnated the same number of times, every person on earth? I: Is there an end? Are we heading to an end where we will all be reincarnated the same number of times? Shri Mataji: Yes, you are reincarnated again and again. Improved on to, like an instrument is always improved on one after another, isn’t it? But now the time has come for you to manifest the purpose for which you have been made. So you become that like a light is in the process of being made till it becomes a light. Then it is put to the mains. Then what is the job of the light? Is just to give the light; It has become that now. I: Right, is there an end to… Is there an end for all of this at one point? Are we all heading to one end? Shri Mataji: You see, first you get germinated, then you grow into a tree. Then you want to come back again to help others. It’s out of compassion. I: But there’s no end; it keeps going? Shri Mataji: And if you want to end it, you can end it. But you like it. You want to come back again and again to help people. I: But for all of us, there’s no end? Shri Mataji: I mean it is, it is later on when you are realized soul it is your own free will, if you want to continue or don’t want to continue. You are not forced to come down. QL: Ma’m Mataji, if you accomplish all your karma in one life and you do good, why would you keep coming back continually? Shri Mataji: You see, the karma theory is now over as I told you. There’s nothing like karmas left any more. You see, Christ has opened that center for us in which the chakras, you see, are all get completely enlightened and when the Kundalini rises, She sucks in the ego within you which makes you feel that you have done this karma and that karma. Right? I: So, you are saying that Christ really has taken all the sins? Shri Mataji: Yes, He has definitely. I mean He doesn’t tell lies. So He has done it. Now, the main thing is that when you die after realization, if you want you can come back, because out of compassion. You come on this Earth out of compassion, to help people because you are part and parcel of the whole. Is a different thing, now you do not come to take anything but to give. QL: Good. I feel that there’s this inner thing within us, or within some of us, any way, within us all wants the union with God. And if we achieve that karma, I keep thinking we must want to have union with God and not keep coming back to Earth. I mean, even now if we come back to do good and for compassionate reason… Shri Mataji: No. I would say that, you see, this is not what you feel or believe. It is what it is. Should be. Now you are thinking too much about the future. You have to think of the present, of this moment, of getting your realization, to be in the present. You shouldn’t think of the future so much, of this… karma is the past. In the future coming and going is… you are not in the present. You are thinking either of the past or of the future because you’ve read a lot, I think, about these things and you just believe in it. Your belief and your feelings are not the truth. You must face them as it is. I: The caller was talking about the heaven, I think… Shri Mataji: Yes. Thinking of heaven and all that. But see for yourself, keep your eyes open. I didn’t have any conception of this place, where I’m sitting, this studio. When I came here, I saw it how it is to be worked out and then I decided. If I had decided before hand, it would have been all wrong. QL: Very true, Thank you. Shri Mataji: My blessings. I: Thanks for calling. It’s twelve past eleven and my guest tonight Mataji, Mother Mataji is here to talk about Sahaja Yoga and its practice and Self-realization and She’ll be giving lectures, talks, on Wednesday night and Friday night at 7.30 at the Maccabean Hall, 146, Darling Hurst Road, Darling Hursy. And. is there any charge or… ? Shri Mataji: No charge. It’s all free. I: Okay. There’s no money involved. This is just something She wants to give to you and that might interest many… Hello. Hi, good evening. QL: I couldn’t listen… [UNCLEAR] Mataji. She did speak on Cancer. I could understand people could I have cancer from a… [UNCLEAR]… But I don’t understand why the small children have cancer. Would She have an answer to this? I: Why do small children get cancer? QL: That’s right. Especially if they have healthy parents. Shri Mataji: There are many other things, which gives cancer to children. One of them is very common is blood cancer. Now blood cancer we give to children ourselves, by our speedy nature, over conditioning. All the time, telling them when they are eating food, “You have to go to school; now get ready; now you have to do it; you should be on time.” All the time putting watches on their heads. This is how we give them blood cancer. I: We create stress? Shri Mataji: Stress on them for nothing at all. Then the schools themselves are horrid. Sometimes, the schools give them education which is not needed. They condition them. Then the sex knowledge is not needed to be given to children. It’s just opening them to something that they need not know at all. They are innocent. We disturb their innocence by so many things. Then all your nonsensical pornographies and this and that and talk of sex to innocent children. We really play with their… we should blame our society for that, if not an individual parent. But everybody has to face it. Now this sex education is not needed for children at all. There’s no need. When they grow up, the Mother’s should tell the daughter and the father should tell the son, in a very private and a sacred way. Not to just tell them so openly that they become curious, they start experimenting with it. All that can be possible. Then also, there was a gentle man whose son got cancer at a very young age. They were surprised, how he got cancer, because the man was very good and the child was very small. And then we found out: the grand mother had a habit of taking the child to the, to the, what you call?, the burial grounds and things like that and she always had a great fascination for these places. Even churches have got these dead bodies. Now, what to say? We expose our children without understanding where we are taking them. We put them to stress. So that is the result. QL: Thank you. I: Thanks for your call. (Announcements) Hello, good evening. QM: I would like to ask Mataji a question and… Mataji, I have heard you speak about negative forces and: one, what are these forces? And two, are they causing and increasing problems facing society today? Shri Mataji: Facing what? I: Society today. Shri Mataji: Very much. Now… QM: First, what are these negative forces you talked about? I: What are these negative forces? Shri Mataji: These are the forces that are built during evolutionary processes when people became ambitious or became very sly, and they took to ways and methods which are anti God. They are punished many a times. But they are born now with a vengeance because they want that the last step now, by which human beings are going to get their realization and they are going to solve their problem and the step where they will have a break through in their evolution, they want to stop it. That’s why they are trying to destroy you in so many ways. I: You are saying we getting very close as a race of human beings to a point where we will all get Self-realization; that time is coming now. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes very much. That last judgment has started. I: How long will it last? Shri Mataji: Depends on how long you take… (Laughs)….(Both of them). You see, maximum time will be given for people to be resurrected. I: That’s hundreds of years or ten to … Shri Mataji: Not hundreds. Should not be hundreds. But there should be sufficient time for many people to get realization, and then few are left there because already the hell is full of people there and there isn’t much room for others to go in. I: And those evil forces are massing too? Shri Mataji: Yes, they are. They are very much in hands-in-hands and they are all joined together and they are working it out. Destroying our Spirit, destroying our attention from Spirit, they are taking us away from reality. They are doing all kinds of subtle things. It’s all spirits, spirits, spirits; so many of them. But your Spirit, the Spirit that is God within you, is the most powerful thing and once it is enlightened in your awareness, they all run away. They’re frightened. QM: How important is it for one to gain realization? Shri Mataji: That’s vital for every one of us. If you are human being, we should know why we are human beings. It would be something a question that, “if you are a lamp, how vital it is for the lamp to be the light?” QM: Yes. All right, thanks very much. I: Thanks for your call. (Music)…It’s 21 past 11 AM; 9295555 and the forum we’re talking about Self-realization and Sahaja Yoga. My guest is Mother Mataji, who is here from England…. In fact, you live in London; Your husband is a Diplomat. Is He not? Shri Mataji: He is elected as the Secretary General of the International Maritime Organization, which is one of the UN agencies. There are fourteen or fifteen secretary generals. He is one of them elected by, I think, one hundred twenty nations. That’s how I’m in England. But, this is temporary. He is reelected again; He has been elected thrice. So we’ve been there for seven years now. Five years more we have to be there. I: You will keep traveling the world and keep spreading the word? Shri Mataji: Up to some time. Then I would like to retire. If somebody wants take over from Me, will be a good idea. ….. I: Are there people to take over? Shri Mataji: Yes. There are very capable people; they can do it. I can stay in one place and they can do it. I: Do you have any thoughts on the future on what’s going to happen to the world and to all of us? Shri Mataji: Very optimistic. I: You are. Shri Mataji: You are all going to be saved and we are going to have all the blessings of God and all His power is going to flow through us and we are going to enjoy ourselves in full bliss. I: Sounds wonderful. Let’s take the next call. Hello. QL: I would like to ask Mother, “Is She not infact preaching a combination of Hinduism, Muslim and Christianity? I: Are you preaching a combination of religions? Shri Mataji: Complete integration. I asked… you have seen that through. I’m happy to know that. It’s complete integration. The relationship between different Incarnations and different Prophets is to be established and is to be proved. It can be proved also through Kundalini awakening. You can prove it, how they are related to each other. QL: Yes, well I believe all religions… Shri Mataji: That’s very great. But the belief becomes the Truth and you can prove it to others also. QL: You were asking to know religions. Basically they are worshipping the same but they are just… call this God by different names. But I find it confusing, you were talking about karma, dharma. There has been no mention of Nirvana…. Shri Mataji: No mention about Nirvana because you are not interested in Nirvana so much as they were interested in karma and dharma. Nirvana is the one where you get your freedom by becoming your Spirit. That’s what I’m saying. QL: Yes. But then, if you follow the Christian teaching, one would believe we should all have this because that’s why Christ died, to give it to us. Shri Mataji: Yes, you should not have all these problems at all. I mean this is not… that’s what I’m saying. I: But the caller said we should have Nirvana. If you follow Christ, you should have Nirvana. Shri Mataji: If you follow in the true sense. That you become a Sahaja Yogi then only you get it. Isn’t it? Not by going to some organized places, where they’ve organized Christ also. QL: Yes, I agree… You don’t have to go to an organized… I: You have to find Christ in yourself? Shri Mataji: Yes, in yourself; through realization. Not the way by just becoming members of something. QL: Who would You… [UNCLEAR] acquire in Him from Indian religion, the Goddess Kaali? Shri Mataji: Goddess Kaali…. I think you better come to My program and I’ll tell you all about them. Goddess Kaali…… QL: Who in the Christian teachings would you related to? Shri Mataji: Goddess Kaali? You see, the Mother of Christ was Maha Lakshmi. Did you hear about that point? She was Maha Lakshmi and Goddess Kaali did not incarnate at the time of Christ. I: Who is the, who is the equivalent in the Christian religion of the Goddess Kaali? Is there any equivalent in the Christian religion? Shri Mataji: Is the power of Saint Michael. I: Saint Michael? Hmm… QL: [UNCLEAR] I: Why does Christian religion say, “All children are conceived in sin?” All children are born sinners. Why this? Why does the Christian religion say that? Shri Mataji: I mean, you were… better go and ask the Christians. I don’t know why they say all these things. QL: I’ve asked them and they can’t… Shri Mataji: They can’t, you see, because there are so many ideas they have got in their heads. You see, they’ve… I don’t know. They have grown horns out of Christianity. What am I to do? QL: Something which is written in the Bible and they………. Shri Mataji: No, it is not said that you are born in sin.” You see, you said that in the basic sin is there that a man has started thinking for himself. Is the basic thing, is that; he is free to think for himself. By that, the Ego and Super ego develops in a human being and he develops his own independence, as “I” ness, and he is separated from God’s desire; in the sense, he has his own desire exerting itself. This is the basic sin: of separation. QL: “Yea, but then [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Then after Self-realization, you become one with that power. Like all the animals are one with God’s power, they have no free will. We through our free will reach certain conclusions of good and bad and after realization, we are aware. The animals are not aware. But we are aware: what is God’s will is. I: I think, the caller was saying how do we, how do we reach Self-realization? Shri Mataji: Through Kundalini awakening. It’s a spontaneous thing. It would be a question like this, “How do we transform a flower into a fruit?” It’s spontaneous. It’s living. QL: Yes, but in on the one hand you are saying [not clear]… but how can one be expected to get Self-realization without thinking for yourself? Shri Mataji: Without…? I: Thinking for yourself. Shri Mataji: No, because this is beyond thinking, it is spontaneous. By thinking you do not sprout a seed. Do you? It is a spontaneous thing. We must understand living processes first of all. QL: But then… Shri Mataji: By thinking you do not, do not live. You see, living process is different from, thinking is dead. I: Automatic. Shri Mataji: It is automatic. I: Like the heart beat? Shri Mataji: Yes, but we can say spontaneous – Sahaja – is better because it has life in it; you see. QL: Yes, but you know thought also has life. Without life we can’t think. I: Thought also has life, without life we cannot think. Shri Mataji: No, that’s wrong. QL: Any thought… Shri Mataji: No, you see inspiration is different. But thought is different and it has no life. It is beyond thought that you achieve this power. Actually… I: It’s not meditation that we are talking about… Shri Mataji: No, no, no…. you cannot do it. You have to become. It’s a state of mind where you are beyond your mind. It just starts flowing through you and it relates to you beyond your thought. I: Perhaps you should we explain to people who have joined the programme? Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s better; it is not easy to continue with this on the Radio. But I will; definitely it can be explained very easily and can be proved also. I: Okay. Thanks for your call. Perhaps we could go over the process by which you say we awaken the Kundalini, the energy within us. This is a matter of stretching out one’s hands to someone who is authorized like Yourself, You say, someone who is holy… Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Even if I blow on this thing it will work out. Even blowing will help; My talking will help. Yes, it will help many people. If they are sensitive enough, it will help them. I: Mother, why don’t you do that? Shri Mataji: All right. Now you stretch your hands, pleased, towards Me like you do it in the mass asking for your Self-realization. Close your eyes; don’t attach your attention anywhere, on any center. Just keep it loose, absolutely free. And I’ll now blow in the mike. It will have an effect on you and you will start feeling the cool breeze in the hand in a big way. Now try not to think, is better because this is beyond thinking. Thinking will stop it. So please try not to think and you need not even try, it will just become that you’ll become thoughtless. (Mother blows…….). Now feel your fingers. You’ll find a very slight movement of energy on your fingers. May be there may be tingling, may be some little burning, pins and needles, could be, because you are opening out and those who have got realization will feel a cool wind blowing. These are the different stages that can take place. Ultimately, you all should get cool breeze in the hand and also the cool breeze jutting out of your fontanel bone area on your head. You can put your right hand towards Me and the left hand on top of your head. You’ll feel that there’s a cool jet flowing upwards. Those who smoke may not feel so much because the Vishuddhi Chakra, meaning the center that looks after the cervical plexus, is little bit numbed. The nerve, the cervical nerve, which has to carry the message of the cool breeze, is numbed and they cannot feel it. But they definitely feel first the smoke coming out of their head and then the cool breeze coming out of their heads. You can even smell the smoke. I: So it’s 28 to 12, my guest to night is “Mataji Nirmala Devi” and She’s here……(Announcement in detail)….(Music)…….. QM: Hello. I: Yes, good evening. QM: Good evening. Talked about Self-realization. I think, possibly, my opinion would be that before we sort anybody else’s problems out, the greatest thing we’ve got to sort out would be our mind. I: Our own mind. QM: Yes, because I think that we are the ones we live with, if you can understand what I am saying. Twenty-four hours a day, when we are sleeping or whatever, dreams or working or whatever, we are the ones that we have to always fight or put up with or enjoy or not enjoy, apart from our partners. wives, husbands. I: We have to sort our own mental processes. QM: I think this is the greatest problem and people will not accept the fact that the greatest sin in the world would be accepting defeat. Shri Mataji: … (Mother laughs)… I: Okay. Mataji’s comment on it… Shri Mataji: Now, the word mind is very confusing. We have to understand our mind is… can be divided broadly into two halves. One, the mind which is conditioned, which we call as Superego or Mana in Sanskrit language. And the another mind is the Ego which is called as Ahamkara, means the one by which we accumulate a kind of a idea that I do this and I do that and I like it. All those things come from that I, which is Mr. Ego. And the another is the Superego by which we are conditioned and we accept the conditioning and we become a person full of these ideas like “I don’t like that” and “I am afraid and I am frightened” and all sorts of things. So these are the two things that are really in our mind. QM: But who… Shri Mataji: Now, just a minute. Please listen… QM: Sorry. Shri Mataji: I’ll explain to you the whole thing. Now the, the Superego is the past that we have. So we get our thoughts from the past, or the Ego is the thoughts about the future. So we have two types of thoughts. One from your past and one from your future, because in the center, where it is present there are no thoughts. It’s a thoughtless area. It’s a very small area. For example: a thought wave starts within you. It rises and you see the rising of the thought, but not the falling of it. It falls and then another thought starts. It rises and falls again. Like that the thoughts start rising and falling and we jump on the cusps of these thoughts – sometimes in the future or sometimes in the past. We have no control over it. All right? Now, what happens with realization? That when you, your Kundalini rises, She goes in the center and She sucks in the Ego and the Superego and you become one with the present where you’ll see the reality as it is. I’ll give you a simple example that whatever we try to solve by our mind can be very defective because we never face the reality. What we think about is the future, which doesn’t exist and the past, which is finished. QM: But this… doesn’t this go back to accepting things? Shri Mataji: Pardon? I: Doesn’t this go back to accepting things? Shri Mataji: No not… you need not accept; it is a happening. Unless and until this happens to you, you need not even accept Me. But should not also deny. What I am saying you keep an open mind about it and it works out. So, when it works out, then you live in the present. You try to solve anything through your mind, you’ll find it will have a relative value Always. It may be successful, it may not be successful. It may be correct, it may be incorrect. It’s all relative. That’s why there is confusion. We have to find the absolute point. When your Kundalini rises, She takes you into the realm when you are in the present and you see all the dimensions. For example: what is present and future and past? Is nothing but the two shadows of the present. For example, somehow by any chance if you can hang over the curve of the Earth, then you can see the future and the past, at one point, all the time and wherever you are is the present all the time. Its something like that happens to you. It’s a new dimension of awareness where the mind takes a new dimension where you become the present. The problems get sorted out so easily when you are in the present. It is to be seen and felt and to be experienced. Then your mental activity becomes very little because it is such a waste of energy – just thinking, thinking, thinking, reaching nowhere. QM: OK. Can I just get a few words here? You missed my entire point. If I am brought up in India, I would speak Indian. If I am brought up in Greece, I would speak Greek. If I am brought up to preach to a God who is made of wood…[INAUDIBLE]….., Now, what the hell chance have I got, judging by any laws or… I mean it’s relevant, no matter what anybody says, an actual fact if you want to admit, admit the whole thing. Nobody knows anything, and you can think that I am… Shri Mataji: All right. This is again Mr. Ego speaking. QM: I beg your pardon? Shri Mataji: It is the Ego that is saying that nobody knows, because Ego covers up everything. It covers up all the knowledge. So you have to go beyond this realm to see. For example: you can say that there is nothing under your skin. But a doctor will say, “No, there is, there are cells and you can see them.” But you have to have a microscope. Now, you must have the microscope to see. But if you deny, “I don’t want to see the microscope”, you will never see. QM: I agree with all… Shri Mataji: All right. So you must get your realization. You must have your Spirit and then you can see if you cannot see or not. But just now to deny it is just to refuse to knoe. You will be adamant. QM: Now, look, I agree with it. Even if You said… all I am saying is that I think the biggest hassle that everyone has apart from being a millionaire or a puppet or a Mongol or a Cripple is the fact that they have to live within themselves everyday of their life and irrelevant of what you might say, or I might or God… Shri Mataji: Now I follow. QM: … let me finish. Irrelevant of what anyone might say, we have to live with ourselves and until such time as we can solve that part out of it, we will not believe in anything that anybody says because we have to be happy within ourselves. And whether you call it God or whether you call it the Devil, or whether you call it Buddhism or Hinduism or whatever you want to call it, you will never ever achieve that. Shri Mataji: May be now I understand what you want to say. All right, I’ll explain. This is very simple. You see, when you are living with your mind, naturally you have to depend on it. Isn’t it? I: Can you hear? Can you hear? QM: Yes, I can. Shri Mataji: Yes. When you live with your mind, you have to depend on it. But with Kundalini awakening, you go beyond your mind and this power starts flowing through you. Then you have to judge it by asking questions. For example: you get this cool breeze flowing in your hands. You cannot explain through your mind. All right, then you just try to ask, ask questions. Supposing you are a computer and you are put to the mains. Now, is this the computer answering the question? Then you just ask the question, one simple question, “Is there God?” A simple question. Just now you ask the question in your heart, “Is there God?” and you’ll see that these cool breeze forces will increase tremendously. So what happens that through this you understand the powers of the beyond, the working of the beyond and the beyond of the mind things. Then you start using a new awareness. Not only of your limited mind, but that of the unlimited vibratory awareness that is within you. You become a different personality. I: OK. I think we could answer that question. Thanks for your call. (Announcement in detail)… … Hello. QM: I am most interested in the, sort of occurrence of, in… to me has been choice I: So, you mean about reincarnation? QM: Well, Yea, in a way. It seems central to this Self-realization, the state, that one did not have a choice. Now I was just wondering how we become more aware of these choices and what choices are Mother Mataji’s are. In fact, mine. I: You… What choices have you made? Did You choose to return to earth or… Shri Mataji: You see, about Me the less said the better. But of course, I did choose to come here and to give realization, no doubt. I am here for that. But one has to understand, this is so important that an egg has to become a bird. Isn’t it? In the same way, you are an egg and you have to be born again when you have become a bird. It’s a different awareness. That’s what has to happen. A mother bird has to lay the eggs and then create chicks out of that. Isn’t it? QM: Why did you make your choice? I: Why did you make your choice? Shri Mataji: That’s My job. What can I do? I: It had to be made? Shri Mataji: Yes, it had to be. You see, it is My desire, or you can say that’s My nature. QM: So we are… it was not a question of personal choice. It was… Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? I: It was your personal choice? Shri Mataji: Of course. (Mother Laughs)… QM: I was just… Personally, the difficulty in my life would be just knowing, when the choice exist between 1, 2 or among many forms of action. Shri Mataji: You see the choices are changed. Your priorities are changed because your awareness is different. You see the… when your awareness is different, you start behaving in a different way. Your whole priorities change, your standards change, your values change. I: And you choose differently? Shri Mataji: You choose differently, you’re… You see, because you choose through vibrations. You see you may choose to buy something because it has better vibrations than to buy something which has no vibration. I: You’re saying everyone chooses? Shri Mataji: It goes on, you see. QM: But on… Now it boils down to how you become more aware. Shri Mataji: Yes, of the living forces. QM: Yea, how you become more aware., Then you do have a choice because to me our society seems to [INAUDIBLE] ….What you have got at the moment is freedom from choice. I mean, how do we… Shri Mataji: First of all, you become aware of people who may appear to be very humble, but are sinister – you get very bad vibrations from them, from people who are giving you food not with love, but with jealousy and anger. You become quite aware of it. You just vomit out. And you get aware of your Spirit; you give up smoking, drinking, gambling so many things which are there just because you feel so bored of life. But you enjoy yourself so much. I: I think the caller was saying that perhaps we don’t… we feel we don’t have any choices. Is that what you’re saying? QM: No. I was just wondering how to become more aware. People seem to be… Mother Mataji said that people seem to be… Shri Mataji: The accent is more on get… wherever you find the vibrations, because the vibrations give you the joy. So you take to things which are vibratory, which are holy things, automatically. You do not get bored anymore because you feel your Spirit. So you give up so many things. You just take them because you are bored. I: Sorry, I couldn’t quite follow what the caller was saying. QM: Well… Shri Mataji: He’s saying that what are your choices then? Afterwards, what happens to you? QM: Yea. With these sort of negative influences from the… sort of force that you were talking about earlier… I: I see. Well the caller is saying that where we, we can make choices but there are forces, there are negative influences that are preventing us from making… Shri Mataji: … You stand on truth; you are not bothered. I: Are there negative forces that are preventing us from making our choices? Shri Mataji: Of course, there are. They, they do all kinds of things; they even create accidents for you. They create so many problems for you. They are the ones who are troublemakers; they are naggers; they are like mosquitoes; they are like bugs and they are like serpents and scorpions. (Mother Laughs). QM: Are they in fact creating their own hell? Shri Mataji: What was that? I: Are they creating their own hell? Shri Mataji: Yes, they want to have that. What to do? They are used to it. They are used to filth. They’ll go to filth only. They want filth. They cannot even smell flowers. What to do with them? QM: Is this then what you think is hell, is it? I: Is that what hell is? Shri Mataji: Yes. Hell is the place where you enjoy all the filth. QM: “Well, thanks very much. I’ll try and come along to… Where is it? I: Macabean hall Shri Mataji: Thank you very much, thank you. May God bless you. QM: Thank you, bye. I: Maccabean Hall… (Announcement) Hello QM: Yes, hello. Mother, I would like to ask you a question. If I come to the thing tomorrow night, would you be able to cure an addiction without any effects of withdrawals of this addiction? I: Caller wants to know, “Are you able to heel and cure addiction? Addiction to whatever drug?” Is it a drug? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. QM: Anything? Shri Mataji: Yes it does. You see, all misidentifications fall off. Once you’re identified with your Spirit, they fall off. You have to use a little bit of will power sometimes. But for some people, they’ve told Me… A gentle man in Singapore, who got his realization – he’s about 78 years of age – and overnight he got rid of many of his addictions. He was surprised how it happened. QM: Right. Then you wouldn’t get any painful, sort of, side effects? Shri Mataji: No, not at all. On the contrary, it’s very blissful. QM: All right. I got it… I: Thank you very much… (Announcements) Hello, good evening. QM: I just want to ask Mother about a quotation from the Bible. I: Yes, what’s that? QM: It says, “But the comfort of the Holy Spirit that the father will send in My name would teach you all things.” I would like to ask Her about that. I: Could you just repeat the quotation again? QM: But the comforter, the Holy Spirit, [sounds like “whom”] the father will send in My name, will teach you all things. I: And that’s from where? QM: John chapter 14, verse 26. Shri Mataji: I think you should take your realization and then you will know the answer to it. Because, logically if it points out to one person, then you have to reach the conclusion, isn’t it? That’s a logical way of looking at things. But I am not going to say anything or claim anything. It is better you people find out yourself. I: Does that answer your question? QM: Is the, is the comforter on the Earth at the present time? Has the Comforter incarnated? Mataji should be able to tell us this because She said that through these vibrations on Her hands, She … Shri Mataji: Yes, He is very much here and He’s talking to you now. Can you believe that? QM: Well, I feel something cool on my hand. Is that some indication of the… Shri Mataji: Yes, very much so. So that’s the proof of the thing. You’ve already started feeling it in your hands. (Mother Laughs) QM: Can I…? Shri Mataji: Ask the question, “Mother, are You the comforter?” QM: Mother, are you the comforter? Shri Mataji: Ask it thrice. QM: Mother, are you the comforter? Shri Mataji: Again. QM: Mother, are you the comforter? Shri Mataji: Now, what do you get? QM: Oh, I feel this kind of cool tingling passing all through my body. Shri Mataji: (Mother Laughs)… That’s the answer now. I: Okay, thanks for your call. Shri Mataji: Thank you. I: Hello. QL: Good Evening. I: Yes, good evening. QM: Now my question… Don’t you think we all have a choice like love or hate, fight or fear, good or evil, positive thinking or negative thinking, a backbone or a wishbone, and believe that we are… I believe that we are all made in God’s image and it is upto us, and nobody else, whether we answer these things correctly? Therefore, Self-realization that is love, good, positive thinking, backbone people with no fear, have acquired lives, they’re able to absorb or discriminate without outside intervention or help and we are able to give, not take and feel ourself. Over to you. Shri Mataji: (Mother laughs) I wish you could do that; but without Self-realization you cannot do it. QL: I am doing it. Shri Mataji: You, you have to give. That doesn’t mean it’s a rational thing. Or giving is just flowing, it’s emitting; that should happen. I: I think the caller is saying that we can all make a decision to be strong and to be positive. Shri Mataji: That’s only mental activity. That’s only a make believe. Is not the actual, actual thing. You can believe that you are very strong and you may be dominating. You believe you should not dominate, you should be humble and you could be sly. Unless and until you get your realization, you will not know whether you have reached the absolute value of those things or not. QL: [UNCLEAR]… I: Oh dear… We always have one of those. Shri Mataji: Always, they bring in someone. Now, what about these great philosophers? What have they done? Have they given you realization? Why should you talk about them? Like when Christ came, they talked about somebody who died long time back. Why talk about them? Now I am facing you. Why do you want to talk about people who are dead? We always want to build temples for the people who are dead. Now the present is, I’m with you. Why do you want to talk about these people and bring a controversy? Don’t you want to gain something yourself? All right? I: Mother, thank you for joining us tonight. I found it fascinating, really. (Announcement)… Mataji will be speaking at the Maccabean Hall. Shri Mataji: Also Melbourne, we are having a programme. I: Yes, but… Shri Mataji: That we can announce later. I: I don’t know whether we’ve got any listeners from Melbourne. But, there would be a programme in Melbourne also. But in Sydney, this Wednesday and Friday night at 7.30 at the Maccabean hall, 146, Darling Hurst Road, Darling Hurst. Thank you. Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. I: Thank you for joining us. [1] Since the talk is a conversation, the speakers are identified as QL – question from a Lady, I – Interviewer, QM – question from a Man, SM – Shri Mataji

Radio Interview, Sydney (Australia), 31 March 1981. Talkback program 'The Forum' on 2UE Radio. Hosted by Ian Parry Oakden. Interviewer: Well, hi and welcome once again to the program. And tonight, a program with a slight difference. In the past, on the forum we’ve talked in different ways about finding oneself; about knowing oneself, and we’ve asked you at times to describe yourself in various ways, which has been interesting. Tonight we look at a different aspect of that under the title of Self Realization. In the past few years in Australia we have seen a succession of people come to Australia, with various titles, who lead what is generally regarded, I suppose, as cults. There have been people who have called themselves Maharajis, or Maharaji; there have been people who’ve called themselves yogis, there are people who will come up to you in the street and hand you literature who are followers of particular, mostly Indian based religious movements. I think that in general, is the way they describe them. And just lately I seem to be receiving more and more literature about these sort of people coming to Australia to speak to their followers. We’ve seen television films of them being greeted at the airport by devoted followers. And the other day I received a news release, guess you could call it that, about someone just a little bit different, because this time it’s a woman. And that makes it interesting to start with. Let me read you what came in the mail: Mataji Nirmala Devi is a most remarkable person. Ten years ago, She perfected a technique by which people can free themselves from their physical, emotional and mental disorders caused by the stresses of modern life. Well that got me interested to begin with, and I read a little further and I thought, “It’s about time we talked to someone like this. And what better time than now and what better person than Mataji Nirmala Devi?” And She is in the studio here with me tonight. Interviewer: “Good evening. Welcome to the program.” “Mataji, You are the leader of, or You are a practicer, I understand, of Sahaja Yoga. Can you explain what that is?” Audio starts Shri Mataji: Sahaja means spontaneous. “Saha” means with, “Ja” means born; it is born with you. It is spontaneous; it is the living force. A living force that has made you a human being from amoeba; is going to make you the higher being where you become the Self. It is all- in every scriptures you will find they have described that you have to be born again. Every prophet, every incarnation has said that you have to be born again. And there must be some thing within us, which does that job, and this is known as Kundalini and was known to people – very few people I should say – in the ancient times. Then in the sixth century, Adi Shankaracharya talked about it very clearly that it’s only the Kundalini awakening, the awakening of this Residual Power within us which lies in the triangular bone called as Sacrum, means sacred bone - Just imagine, that time they knew it was a sacred bone- that it rises and crosses all the subtle centers, pierces through the fontanel bone area and gives you your real baptism, your real birth, and you can also feel the softness of your fontanel bone area on top of your head. And this is an actualization. This is not that you can just pay some money or become a member, organize something. It’s an actualization and you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini at the base; the rising of the Kundalini and the breaking of the fontanel bone area which is called in Sanskrit as Brahmarandhra. Interviewer: So you are saying this is what… Spirit inside us, which you call Kundalini? Shri Mataji: No. Spirit? This is the Holy Ghost, and the Spirit is in the Heart. Spirit is the reflection of God within us. Interviewer: So it’s not the Spirit. It is a live force? Shri Mataji: This is the force that is the pure desire to be one with God; that is within us all the time, dormantly lying. It only manifests when it sees, or gets instruction, or is handled by a person who is authorized by God. Not by any institution or anything, but by God. Such a person Himself is a realized soul. It is like one enlightened light can enlighten another light. It’s very simple. Interviewer: So that what you are trying to tell us is that we have within us a live force called… Shri Mataji: A germinating, germinating force you can say. Interviewer: Right. Called Kundalini. Shri Mataji: Yes. Interviewer: And this is generated in the… Shri Mataji: It awakens. Actually, it moves like an energy. Interviewer: in the bone, but around the eye? Shri Mataji: No, no, no Sacrum, is the bone at the base of the spinal chord, the triangular bone. Interviewer: Right. At the base of the spine and that is where this force awakens. Shri Mataji: Yes. And it rises. You see the pulsation rising and it comes up to the top of the head, which is called as the fontanel bone area in the medical terms. But, here it is called as Taloo in Sanskrit language. And it pierces through. You can see the pulsation coming up here and after some time the pulsation stops. Interviewer: This is when you are meditating? You can see this in somebody meditating? Or… Shri Mataji: It’s like, you see, for this you have to just place your hand towards Me to begin with. Then any other Sahaja Yogi can also do it. But to begin with, you have to place the hands towards Me just like this; like Namaaz you see, as they do Namaaz. Interviewer: That’s palms open…. Shri Mataji: Yes, just palms towards Me and you find that through your fingers,when it pierces through, you start feeling a cool breeze blowing in and that’s the sign that you have got that Power flowing through. But with that you get many other manifestations. Like, first of all, you feel absolutely relaxed. Secondly, you feel the cool breeze also coming out of the head, fontanel bone area. First the heat comes out and then the cool breeze comes out. Interviewer: Right. What is happening when that happens? What is happening to the body? Is one relaxing? Is one becoming more holy? Is one, what is happening when this… if you… Shri Mataji: You are evolving; you evolve to a higher state of consciousness. Your consciousness as it is, is a human consciousness or human awareness. Now- but your Spirit is by itself; it is enjoying by itself. It is not in your conscious mind. Means you do not feel in your central nervous system – its manifestation. It is by itself. Now when Kundalini rises, She takes your attention inside, because the happening takes place and this attention gets enlightened by the Spirit which is actually placed in the Heart. But the seat is in the Taloo, in the fontanel bone area on top of that. So once you touch that, your attention becomes enlightened and the attention itself becomes collectively conscious. It becomes; it’s a becoming. It’s not just saying that they are all brothers and sisters, it just happens. You start feeling them on your fingertips. All the centers; your own and that of others also. Interviewer: So it’s a, it’s a method of, of coming to, to terms with forces within our own body, to put it bluntly. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. That’s why it is Sahaj, means born with you. Sahaja – born with you. Yoga means Union with God. So this right to be born again, to be united with God is within you. But it has to work out spontaneously. Interviewer: How is this different from practicing the sort of Yogas that we’ve seen over the years? This form of yoga that we have of television in the morning, in women’s magazines, the classes that people go to, which, I suppose, are relaxation exercises really. How does your Sahaja Yoga differ from that? Shri Mataji: It’s very different because, you see, in this the accent is only on physical side of life. You are not only your physical being, neither your emotional being nor only your religion, what you call your sustenance. You are much more than that and unless and until you see all these three aspects properly in balanced way, it can be very dangerous. More over, the Hatha Yoga that is done these days, perhaps, has no relation with what real Patanjali Yoga is. Because, Patanjali Yoga was practiced at the time when we had another type of system in our society where the children of five years used to go to the Gurus, stay with them, and there the Gurus used to select people who were good for Realization. Then first thing they would do is Ishwara Pranidhan, means establishment of God within you, means Realization. There are eight simultaneous things, Ashtaangas. It’s not only one physical exercises, and physical exercise is only 1/10th of one of them. But the first and foremost thing is the establishment of God, means Sahaja Yoga. First your God must be established, then you see the movement of the Kundalini and you see the obstructions of the different centers and you know which center is to be activated; if there’s a physical problem, then what exercise to be done. But today’s modern Yoga is such that you take all the medicines in one, one shot all of them, whether they are required or not. You don’t know what you are doing to yourself. This is absolutely absurd, and this can relax you because may be that somebody else takes over from you. May be you get possessed or may be something like that that you feel relaxed but you are not in control of your relaxation. You are not in control of yourself at all. You have to become absolutely the master of your body, mind, everything. Interviewer: “Mataji, you’ve come to Australia to speak to people and to Your followers and You are, You do have followers. Why do You have followers? Who are these people who deify You and who call You Mother?” Shri Mataji: I mean, it is like the sun shining and the leaves are bathing in it. Now the time has come, to flowers to become fruits. Now, how… what can we can do? It’s a relationship exists because what they want, I have and I give them that. Interviewer: It’s more than Shri Mataji: But it is not binding there. I mean, I do not try to sort of dominate them in any way. But I see to it that they grow into good citizens and grow into proper personalities with their Spirit completely manifesting in them. Interviewer: Are You then their teacher?” Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. I have to teach them as a Mother; so many things Mother has to teach the children. But it’s a sweet way of doing it. How you do it is the point. I mean, a Mother doesn’t take any money for what sShe teaches and it’s question of love, and Divine Love is so remarkable that it just manifests Itself. Interviewer: You don’t take money from your followers? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. How can you pay for God’s Love? Can you? That’s one thing one should know. When they have this market on and all these people are coming in, you must know one thing that you cannot pay for it. This is one of the things people must realize; they don’t use their brains. Interviewer: There are many cults where people give a lot of money to the Gurus. And there are Gurus… There’s one… Well, I can’t think of a number. But there is one who is riding around in Rolls Royces and so on, and living… Shri Mataji: I know (Mother Laughs) Interviewer: a very high life. As a matter of fact, a friend of mine is a follower of him. Shri Mataji: Just imagine. Interviewer: and he has changed very much. I mean he is a very, well, holy person, I suppose, He certainly is at peace. He is a very happy man there since he is become a follower of this particular Guru. And I’ve never been able to see why; he’s never been able to explain to me why. And I wonder what you think, in general, of these cult movements. Shri Mataji: You see, what these people do is that their main aim is to make some money. But there can be even more sinister people; they may be wanting to stop your evolution. They are satanic, some of them are very satanic forces, because they give epilepsy and they give horrible diseases. They make people recluses; they just mesmerize them. People start thinking, “Oh, they’re becoming very holy and they’ve become very good.” But the first thing we should know, as Jung has put it – who was the disciple of Freud, and I am happy, he is very popular in your country – that the next step has to be that you become collectively conscious. By becoming higher personality you start feeling the centers of other people and yours also. This was to be expected that you became collectively conscious. This is the point one should see. For example: Somebody says, “I am very happy”, so what does it matter? I mean if you feel that he is happy, it’s only his ego is pampered. If you pamper somebody’s ego, the person feels very happy and if you condition somebody or give him a superego, he feels unhappy. Both happiness and unhappiness are the two sides of one coin. But joy is very different. Joy is a drama; joy is a beauty and that only you can get it if your attention gets enlightened by your Spirit. Because Spirit is the only source of joy which doesn’t have duality; which just watches, which is a witness. And these people just play upon your ego or they play upon your superego. They can mesmerize you; they have all these methods. Interviewer: They are very popular with young people. Shri Mataji: Yes, poor young people. There are real seekers I can tell you. They are actually saints born because the Last Judgment has started now, and the judgment is going to take place through the Kundalini awakening only. How are we going, how anybody is going to judge anyone? I mean God, how is He going to judge? – It’s only by awakening your Kundalini and that’s what has started. There’s so many saints have taken birth to be in the kingdom of God, as was promised, and that’s why these markets are afloat. You see when there’s a demand, there’s a market also for that and people are in the market. And, naturally, in the market money is the main thing, to begin with. But it’s very, very dangerous. These people are so mesmerized, they don’t want to see. It’s not your happiness that is important; it’s the happiness of the whole. What are you doing for that? Interviewer: Well, I think they are certainly interested in getting new members for their cults. They certainly go round and try to sell their cult on the streets, or wherever. Shri Mataji: Yes, they are. For example: there was a Guru who was to come to England, and he said : “I’ll have a Rolls Royce, otherwise I will not to come to England.” So these young people starved themselves, ate potatoes and all that, and they wanted to have the fellow there. And when some of the Sahaja Yogis went and talked to them : “Why should you give him a Rolls Royce?” He says : “By giving Rolls Royce what we are just giving metal; but he gives us Spirit.” How can he exchange Spirit for metal? I can’t understand that. Interviewer: Are You holy? Shri Mataji: (Mother Laughs) This you better find out yourself. (Mother laughs) (Both laugh) What’s the sign of holiness is? Holiness is that which, which cleanses others, automatically. Christ was touched by a lady, and an energy flew into her and she got cured absolutely. This is what it is. You don’t- you see, what do you ask the Sun? Will you ask the Sun, “Are you, are you the light?” I mean, What it does? It is the part and parcel of that, isn’t it?” Interviewer: Your followers say You are Holy. Shri Mataji: Yes, they, they must have found it out. (Mother Laughs) because, if holiness means cleansing, it means energy giving, then of course, it has worked with them. Interviewer: I’d like to talk to You about the energy giving. We’ll talk about that in a moment. Because You’d mentioned before – holding out your palms and some of them hold out their hands to You. You talked about holding ones hands up to You. So, in just a moment we will take a break and I’ll come back and talk to you about that… [Talk specific to the radio station omitted as it is not relevant] I am talking to Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is a Guru… No? I am sorry. Shri Mataji: I am a Divine Mother. Mataji means Divine Mother. That’s not My name. My name is Nirmala. Nirmala means Holy, Pure or Immaculata. My- they have given Me this title as Mataji, which means Holy Mother. Interviewer: Are you a Yogi? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. I mean Yogi in the sense that if you are one with your Spirit, that I am. Interviewer: [radio station’talk] …There have been so many people passing through this country talking about offering all sorts of answers to today’s problems in what is a basically, I suppose, Christian culture; although we can talk about that too tonight. People who come from various religious movements, based generally in India. And tonight we have one of those people on the program… She is different… Interviewer: Mataji, we talked about Energy and that You have an Energy to give other people. How does, how does it happen that, You are the person who has that Energy? Why You? Shri Mataji: I mean, as you are the one who is asking Me questions from the Radio, in the same way perhaps I am appointed to do this job you see, that’s all. If anybody can do it, I will be very happy. As I told you, I am a married lady and My husband is very highly placed in life and I actually miss Him and He misses Me too and My children are there; I’ve got grandchildren. But this is something else that He thinks is very important, and that’s why I am doing it and if somebody else can do it, I will be very happy to retire. I will be really happy, I tell you. But some things you can do and some things I can do. That’s what it is. Interviewer: Is it a gift from God? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course it is. And you can have the same gift because you have to just get your Realization, that’s all. You can also do the same thing. Interviewer: Do I have to be in contact with You? Shri Mataji: You have to be, not necessarily. People who are Realized now in Sydney, only two persons came to India. They have given Realization to three hundred people. So it is not necessary for you to be in contact with Me. But you have to get your Realization through somebody who is an enlightened person and who knows how to handle the Kundalini. Interviewer: Now, the Energy is the Kundalini, this is what You offer to other people… Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Interviewer: Is to put them in touch with their own Kundalini? Shri Mataji: That works faster when I am there, but even these people can do it; that’s true. Interviewer: So what’s the Power of this as far as healing is concerned? I believe You are… or claim to be able to heal people? Shri Mataji: That is, that happens spontaneously. I mean, I do not heal people as such. But it happens because when the Kundalini rises, She enlightens your parasympathetic nervous system and the parasympathetic nervous system is like the storehouse of energy. But when it crosses the fontanel bone area, it gets connected to the mains. It’s like, supposing your petrol is finishing and you get connected to the mains and all the time petrol is flowing into you, then you get cured because all that energy which is being spent by sympathetic activity is replaced. And that’s how people get all right. But I do not go about healing people or I do not have a healing center. I do not go in the hospitals. But those who are seekers get a spontaneous healing. Even blood cancer, cancer of any kind can be cured. But they have to be seekers to begin with and their Kundalini must rise and then they get their Realization, as a byproduct they get healed. That’s a different thing from healing people and just paying more attention to the body. Because if you have to have the temple of God to be enlightened by His presence, then your temple has to be cleansed. Interviewer: Let’s talk about God, or Your concept about God. You were raised as a Christian, were You not? Or were You born as a Christian? Shri Mataji: I was to be born something – either I was to be born Christian, Hindu, Muslim. Any where I could have been born. But I, I choose a father and a mother, and a father (who) was an enlightened soul and a great man. It was He who told Me about human beings, how they are. I didn’t know they were that complicated. I: Where did you learn about Kundalini and, and the various techniques that You now teach? Shri Mataji: I didn’t learn anything at all because I knew all this from My very childhood. This is innately built within you, the whole knowledge. Like as you are born as a human being, you can see it is bad smell, isn’t it? Nobody has to tell you it is bad smell. But a horse doesn’t feel the bad smell. In the same way you are born at a higher stage, you see many more things and you know many more things. I knew that, I was like that from very childhood. As you know that you are a human being as soon as you are born. Interviewer: Did the people around you recognize this in You very, very early in your life? Shri Mataji: I mean, some people like My father did recognize. Not only that, but he knew the purpose of My life and all that. But some people, I mean there were different reactions, I should say, according to their understanding. But all of them knew that there is something unique about Me. Interviewer: Does Your belief now, how does that connect to Christianity? If You were raised in a Christian family, have You risen beyond the Christian religion, or beyond all religions? Shri Mataji: I am beyond all the religions, I should say. And you also rise above it because the religion that we know of now are- once upon a time were real flowers on the living tree of life. But they plucked it. They said, “This is mine, this is mine”, and they took it away and these flowers have become now ugly and dead. They are not living any more. So, all these religions are just giving you a lip service. They are not giving you actualization. Actually the attention from the Spirit is gone. Interviewer: Do You believe that the Jesus Christ was Holy? Shri Mataji: Of course, He was. Not only (that) but He was Holiness completely, that He was the Pranava, He was the Omkara. He was the Divine Power Himself when He came on this Earth. And through Him only we give Realization because He is settled in a center here which is the door. Door to the limbic area which is… Interviewer: Which is the center of the forehead. Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Interviewer: The center of the forehead. Shri Mataji: No, it is not. It’s shown here at the center but it is between the pituitary and the pineal body on the optic chiasma. There is a very subtle center of Christ which is the door and through which the Kundalini has to pass. If the Kundalini stops there, invariably in a Christian it does because Christians are not following Christ, they are following the church. They should follow the Christ as Christ has said I’ll be calling you Christ, Christ… you will be calling Me, Christ, Christ and I wouldn’t recognize. This is what exactly happened – that they do not recognize Christ. Christ has said the first and foremost thing a Christian has to do is to get rebirth. You, your Spirit has to come in your awareness. This is what He said and that attention is not there. We are organizing churches, we are organizing this, we are doing all other things. Living work is to be done. This is the living work and this is what it is. This is real true Christianity and true Islam and true everything because that is what they taught us – to be one with the Spirit. That’s the main thing we are avoiding. Interviewer: Can you describe what you believe is the purpose of us all being here? These days people seem to be searching more, seem to be more and more confused. I am sure there are many people who don’t feel they are but there are an awful lot of people who do seem to be lost, do seem to be searching for some truth, some reason for being here. Can you explain, what You believe is a reason for being on Earth? Shri Mataji: You see, they are seekers. Why? Because they have not found their own meaning; we have not found our meaning, we do not know. Even the science cannot explain why we have become human beings; Why the nature has taken so much trouble to discard so many animals and things and to make us as human beings; What is the purpose. They are trying to find out their purpose – Why are they here on this Earth? And they are here only for one purpose, is to become one with the Spirit so that they understand and enjoy the beauty of God’s Kingdom. Interviewer: We were created by God? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. Who else you think could have created such a wonderful thing like a human being? Interviewer: Do you see the God being the same God that the Christians worship and the Muslims worship? Shri Mataji: Yes, just the same. Interviewer: It’s all the same God? Shri Mataji: That’s not the Christians I would say, but that’s what Bible has described is the same. So there’s a difference between what the Christians believe because they’ve put interpretations some times, you see. Interviewer: Well, the Bible describes, for instance, in the first testament the very revengeful God, in many ways, a very angry God at times, that sort of stories. I am wondering how Your view of God fits into the Bible’s description of God. Is it identical? Shri Mataji: It is very much so. But you see, Bible was written at various places by various people and it was synchronized also. Christ’s life was only for four years there and people didn’t allow Him to talk much, you see. Just they just killed Him and crucified Him and He had His disciples who were just fishermen. How He could talk to them about Parasympathetic and Sympathetic and all those things? And they also did not believe Him till He got Resurrection. It was a big problem at that time and that’s why the whole thing becomes very narrow; though very deep. So to understand Christianity, you must get your Realization, then you can go deep into it and see what He wanted to convey to us. There are many things you cannot explain like, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames. Those who are not against Me are with Me.” Who are those people He is talking about? So all these things can be only explained once you get Realization. Now the concept of God is, the way people interpret is very funny, as if they think He is a rock of Gibraltar. One, God means that He doesn’t have eyes, nose, everything, but He has aspects. God has many aspects and the aspect, that is, the witness act aspect of the God Almighty has another aspect, which is His Power. And this Power incarnates and this Power has three other Powers by which She creates, She desires and She wars. These three Powers are there and that’s how there are many aspects of God out of which the God’s aspect that they know of, is the God who is just a spectator. He is the spectator and His Power is the one that creates. He is the only spectator. Now, when He doesn’t like spectacle, when the people or whatever is created is no good, He takes out His attention, and that’s how it is destroyed and finished. So He has to be punishing God also. Otherwise, human beings in their freedom, do not know how far to go. They even challenge God. They do not believe in Him and then they have to learn it. Cancer is one of the things that’s apunishment of God I think. Because we are too much occupied, preoccupied with our own problems and with our own understanding of life and we project ourselves too much into extremes, we go beyond human sustenance and we develop these diseases. And then a balance is needed. It’s most surprising – even in nature you can see. When you work very hard, you get a Heart attack. When you work very hard with your brain, you get Heart attack. And when your work very hard with your Heart, means when you are say get very emotional and weep and cry, you get a brain damage. Something so interesting, how the balance is even created by nature, it shows in the same way God also punishes us when we do not look after our sustenance, our human being, as He requires the different qualities to be maintained within us,. like the gold has a quality that it is untarnishable. In the same way human beings have these ten qualities described in the Ten Commandments and we, we just say, “what’s wrong?” You see, this is all Ego oriented societies. They say, “What’s wrong? What is wrong with it? Why should we condition ourselves?” But we forget that if we do not look after this right, our Ego develops and it becomes like a big balloon. We start seeing it, as if it is coming out like a horn and get you frightened. Then you take to drugs and alcohols, you want to run away and escape, you can’t bear your Ego. You just see the colors, all stuff coming on you. So all these problems come because we do not understand that we have to keep a temperate mind, we have to be in moderation. We have to be in the center and not to go to extremes. I: Mataji, You mentioned a number of things that I wanted to question You about. One is satan and You said that some of these people who have young followers in cults are satanic and in just a moment we’ll talk about that I think… [Radio station specifics/advertisement……] My guest is a practicer of or teacher of Sahaja Yoga, Mataji Nirmala Devi, and She is in Australia to speak to Her followers, and to speak to people who would care to listen about a method of discovering Self Realization. I think that’s the best way to put it… Mataji, we’ve talked about God, let’s talk about satan for a moment, You obviously believe there are evil forces? Shri Mataji: Of course, there are evil forces, very many, and they come to us from the left and the right side within us called as, left side is called the Collective Subconscious areas and the right side is called Collective Supraconscious area and these are the busy bodies. Interviewer: To say that again, the Collective Subconscious area is the left hand side? Shri Mataji: Yes, left hand side and Collective Supraconscious area on the right hand side. Now these are the areas which are unknown areas as the doctors say, from where they get some attack of proteins, which like protein-58 and all that, which attacks and triggers the cancer, you see. This I’ve said about ten-fifteen years back. But now the doctors have started seeing them and photographing them. Now these are the areas where all the dead spirits who were two types, one the sly type are on the left hand side and the ambitious type are on the right hand side. Interviewer: Dead spirits? Shri Mataji: Yes, dead. Interviewer: Inside the skull? Shri Mataji: Inside us. You see we can approach them within ourselves. Now they are, that these areas are within us and we can get out of these areas also. Because if ours, if we spread our attention side ways, we can go to these areas also. And once you go to these areas, those people who are sensible, who die sensibly or those who are Realized souls, they go to another areas where they are to be born again or they remain there. But those who are still dissatisfied or cruel people or satanic forces, they remain around and these are the people actually maneuvered by people who try to mesmerize, and they have their ways. In Sanskrit language it is called as Pretavidya, means the knowledge of the dead. The knowledge of the Smashana, means the burial places. They go and practice these things there and try to overpower these spirits, those are evil ones, and use them for mesmerizing and using them for their own purposes. It’s a science known to India for many years, how people do these things. It’s a evil science. Even in England, I was surprised, they had witchcraft and they knew about witches and all that. And still they are busy too much doing all these things. They … Interviewer: Do these Spirits have a Power? Do You believe; these evil Spirits? Shri Mataji: They, they have no Power. They are just like human beings who are dead, but they are evil people and they can enter into your psyche and they can affect you. They give you epilepsy. So many of your emotional problems come from them; most of the lunacy I’ve seen. I mean all the lunatic people I have seen have this problem. Even the cancer people, I have seen, have the problem more from the… Interviewer: How do you know they have this problem? Can you see a demon? Shri Mataji: No, not by seeing, but you can feel them on their hands. For example, if you have a cancer patient facing you, you see, you find the left side, left hand starts shaking very much like a lunatic shakes and things, and the heat starts coming from the left hand side. Not so much from the right hand side to begin with. That shows the affectation is from the subconscious area, I mean the collective subconscious area. Also epilepsy comes from the supraconscious area when the people start projecting themselves, say, they say that we want to fly in the air or they want to think too much ambitiously about things – to create gold out of something. All these nonsensical ideas you see. Then they project to the right side. And when they project to the right side, in the beginning, somebody who is on the right side can enter into the being and can possess, and such a person can be very ego-oriented and can be successful for the time being. But then, riding two men or two human beings on one body, he becomes very tired and even at the sight of a thing like a garlic, that person starts racking. Even a church they see, they start racking. Interviewer: A Church? Shri Mataji: Church even. Even a incense if they see, they start racking. Any temple they see, rattling; they cannot bear the name of God. They start rattling. All their nerves are finished; they become recluses after sometime. In the beginning they become very, sort of, active, over active and become very successful sort of people. But then they collapse and they collapse very badly. Interviewer: Perhaps I should just ask You in that line, the whole idea of spirits and of evil spirits. Does this come from an idea of reincarnation, of a sort of wheel of life? What do You believe happens after death? Shri Mataji: You see, after death you would never die. Actually only there are five elements you are made of, out of which the earth element really falls off and the other four elements remain. And the water oozes out a little, little like that, and you become a small entity, which is the Soul. The Soul has got the Kundalini on top of the head and the Spirit on top of the head and all the four elements are there intact. So you, you can think you can do many things; you can materialize. For example, you can move any instrument that is here even without seeing the person. You can just move the things from here to there. But people must understand this is not God’s work. All these things are not God’s work. Like sitting down and talking to dead bodies and dead people is also very wrong, because there’s no justice done to that. For example, if you say somebody loves the father or the mother; they want to talk to them. Is very wrong because you must give them freedom, they belong to another area. And why do you want to entangle them with this present times, because they are in the past now. You have to be in the present. They have to be in the past. Leave them alone. Now, like, I would say… Interviewer: Do they come back and are reborn, or not? Shri Mataji: Yes, they come into you. I have seen now this disease anorexia, asthmas, can be cured. Most of the people who get asthmas have a problem because their parents have died early. Interviewer: This is asthma? Shri Mataji: Asthma. Or may be that they have a bad father, or they have been bad fathers or something, now what we called the right Heart center, and this can be cured. Today only I cured gentleman who had asthma big trouble. Because of this, because he was pining for his father; his father died when he was twelve years of age, he was very much shocked. You have to just tell that, “father you take your birth again”, thrice. It works out. Anorexia is another thing. Is the same thing… Interviewer: Well, in the series of reincarnations, incarnation of the Spirit goes around and rises. It just comes back, is born again in another body and rises, becomes more and more knowledgeable or pure. That’s the theory of reincarnation, isn’t it?… Is that what you believe? Shri Mataji: Yes, I, I… not believe, but it is the truth because Christ didn’t talk about it much. Why Christ did not talk? Because it’s a very, very controversial stuff. If you tell somebody that there is reincarnation, even today I find the same thing. Like Indians, the first thing they will ask, “What was My first birth?” Because you go into your past, you see. Christ wanted them to be in the present. So He didn’t discuss it. But He said, “I’ll come again.” How He will come if He cannot reincarnate? Interviewer: Well now, You believe the, the evil Spirits are people who have died and have not reincarnated? Shri Mataji: Yes, and some of them can be satanic forces who have taken birth, (and) they have been doing always satanic work. But people do not want to believe that there is something evil. They think that everything… that’s very good of them to say that. But once Christ criticized others. So they asked Him, “Why are you criticizing? They do not criticize you.” So He said, The satan is not going to speak against themselves.” You see, is the only the holy person can see these two things. He is the only one who discriminates that these are satanic. Interviewer: I don’t understand. I don’t quite understand what you are saying. Could you repeat that? Shri Mataji: You see, if the satanic persons are there, they will always say that there’s no satan. How will they say there is a Satan? Because, then they will be found out. So they always say there is no satan; every thing is good, every thing is fine and that’s how you enter into the lion’s den, you see. To be really [not clear – molested?] to be tortured. But this is the only way one can say. I: All right, we’ll start after the break… [Announcement] We will now take some calls… Hello, yes good evening… QM: Hello, how are you? I: I am well. Thank you. QM: Look, can I ask Mataji a question or…? I: Yes please, She’s listening to you. QM: Right. Mataji, how do we get the baptism as described by Christ? I think You said, “You must be baptised in the Holy Spirit.” Shri Mataji: You see, we have a center within us, as I told you before, between the pineal and pituitary body on the Optic Chiasma. A subtle center is there which is the center of Christ. Now, when you raise the Kundalini you find that at this spot the Kundalini stops if you have a little problem with Christ. For example, if you have been following Christ in a wrong way, in an unauthorized way without understanding Him or if you are not a forgiving person also, you might get this center blocked completely. This is the door, which leads to the limbic area, which is the kingdom of God. Now, when this center is blocked and you see the Kundalini just pulsating there, then you have to take the name of Christ. A Sahaja yogi has to take the name of Christ and request Christ that, “Please be awakened on this center”. When he says only Christ’s name, no other name, and that of Mary, then only this Kundalini rises through that center. Christ’s other name in Sanskrit language is Maha Vishnu. So you can also take His name as Maha Vishnu by which the Kundalini rises; you see it. And the person becomes thoughtlessly aware. That’s how you get your realization through Christ only, as far as this center is concerned; because this is the last center where you enter into the realm of limbic area, which is actually the kingdom of God. But from there, you have to get realization through another center, which is the last one. I: Can I ask just here how, how this all comes about? Does one meditate? How does one start this all happening? Shri Mataji: It’s like, as I told you, that they… in the beginning they stretch their hands or you can say the palms towards Me as we do in the Namaz and then… I: That’s stretching the hands out? Shri Mataji: Yes, stretching the hands. Yes, like that. And then from the fingers ends the energy flows inside and invites the Kundalini; tells that there is somebody who is the authority. Then the Kundalini starts rising. It’s a very quick thing. Some people get it in a split of a second – if their Kundalini is all right; if they are simple people, not complicated; ia they do not have any emotional problems and all that. They are very quick; they just get it in no time. But those who have problems have these pulsations. You can see them going here and there. If you have a liver problem, you see the Kundalini going to the liver and just sitting there and giving energy to sustain it. Like that. Then it rises gradually and you see the gradual progress of the Kundalini. And those who have got anywhere obstruction, you have to say a mantra or a chanting or an awakening thing which awakens a particular Deity. I: So, it is a sort of meditation? Shri Mataji: You become in meditation. You cannot meditate, you become. It is the becoming; you cannot do meditation. There is no technique for it; it’s a happening which is spontaneous. But afterwards when you have got realization, when your Kundalini is awakened, to increase its expansion, to have better Chakras and all that, you can repair it with a technique. But after realization, not before it. You have to make your car start to see where there is mistake, you see. I: Right. So You are saying at this point once you’ve taken the Kundalini into you or opened yourself up to the Kundalini, that you can then call upon God or Christ to, into you? Shri Mataji: No, Christ is within you. He resides in this point, as I told you, in the Agnya Chakra which is placed between the subtle center between the pituitary and the pineal body. He is there, but He is not yet awakened. In the sense, He is awakened by Himself but He is not come in our consciousness. When the Kundalini reaches there, She suggests that there is a… Christ is not allowing the Kundalini to pass through. He is not allowing, He is not happy, so you have to request Him that, “please allow the Kundalini to pass. But this request must go from a realized soul, from an authorized person or you can even sometimes maneuver it by giving some vibrations in that area through your hand, or may be through the photograph or something, and then the Kundalini rises. You have to take His name. That is what… I: Now, how is this different from what Christians say when they say you should open up and let the Christ, let Christ into you? Is that the same thing? Shri Mataji: No, because that’s just a lip service. This is a real thing; if it doesn’t happen, doesn’t happen. It happens, it happens. It’s just a lip service – nothing happens to your fontanel bone area after baptism, nothing happens to your eyes. It should be dilated when it is opened out. Nothing happens to you, it’s just a lip service. You do like this. It’s all artificial like, I’d say that “you eat this food”, there is no food; “you take it in your hand”, there’s no plate. You just imagine that there is plate, there is food and you eat, will you get the satisfaction? I: “Interesting”, I don’t know whether the call of yours, the question, has been answered. QM: [Not clear] I: Thanks for calling. The caller mentioned “baptism as described by Christ”. What did he mean by that? Shri Mataji: This is the same thing He said. Every word that He said is to be proved today through realization, because after realization you are connected to the mains and a rapport is established. I: What did He say? That follow me and you will… [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Yes He said, “you have to be born again.” Again and again He said, “you have to be born again.” But when I went to America and I said, “You have to be born again”, so everybody was sitting with tape-recorder and all that and they taped all My speeches. And people warned Me that they will publish books, these are writers. So I said, “Let them publish.” So they started also some cults saying, “Born again,” you see. How can you have self-certification like that? If you are born again, you should be able to tell about the Chakras of another person in your own Chakras and about the Kundalini. Isn’t it? I: What’s a Chakra? Shri Mataji: Chakras are the subtle centers through which this Kundalini rises. These are subtle centers within us placed in our backbone and also in the brain, which are the milestones of our evolution. I: All right, well… As the caller said, it’s a bit mind blowing but we’ll keep talking about it. And let’s talk about Self-realization as Mataji Nirmala Devi sees it. She is indeed a remarkable person and has given us an awful lot to talk about. Some of it is very difficult, I guess, to understand. It’s a concept that I certainly have not heard about before. And all the talk about the energy within us, the life-forces within us… And so many people have talked about the forces we are supposed to have within our Spirit or our Soul or physical and spiritual bodies. Tonight we are talking to someone who has a definite concept of what that’s all about and if you would like to talk to Her… [Advert] Interviewer: And tonight on the Forum, we are looking at the subject of Self Realization and talking about Sahaja Yoga and its practice and my guest tonight is Mataji Nirmala Devi…. And perhaps just to recap, I can read from the brochure about Sahaja Yoga and its practice. After many years of careful and tremendously successful experimentation we feel it is time to tell all genuine seekers that Sahaja Yoga, the discovery of Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi, can definitely take one to the higher dimensions of consciousness, which has been promised by all the scriptures. It opens within us the central channel leading to the inner space of peace and joy, of complete integration and harmony; it happens. Sleeping within each of us there is a potential, spiritual energy called Kundalini. This Shakti, and a very complex mechanism relating to it, is not revealed before the happening of Self Realization. At this blessed moment, Kundalini rises within the spine and pierces the fontanel membrane at the top of the head. The subject feels, then, pervaded by total silence and exquisite well-being. He is absolutely aware but without thoughts and He feels in his hands a kind of wind of vibrations. The experience can be weak or, on the contrary, very powerful depending upon the conditions of the inner mechanism of the subject at the time of the experience. The guidances of the great Sadgurus, Sadgurus of the past who taught us the rules of Dharma who are meant to keep this delicate mechanism fit for Kundalini rising. Well, that’s part of this thing called Sahaja Yoga and that’s what we’ve been talking about. My guest is the discoverer, is Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is here to talk to us tonight. 49:40 Interviewer: Can I ask you what these words Dharma and Karma, what do they mean? Shri Mataji: Dharma is the sustenance, sustenance within us. As I told you before, that human beings have ten sustenances as described – ten commandments, in the Bible. This is the sustenance of human beings. If he has to be a human being, he has to have these sustenances within them. In the animals, the sustenance is there with no free will for the animals to change it. For example, a lion remains a lion, a mango remains a mango; It cannot change itself. But human beings can become a lion or a scorpion or can become even a snake or can become a tiger. So human beings only have the free will to change their sustenance. But to be human being is very important, so that you become a super human being. Unless and until you have Dharma within you, you cannot go beyond it. Because these sustenances then get enlightened, then you become. Then you have no temptations. Nobody has to tell you, “Do not get into temptation.” Nobody has to tell you then : “don’t tell lies”; nobody has to tell you that: “don’t steal.” You just don’t do it because you become that. You become that light. This is what happens through Kundalini awakening. The another word is Karma is very interesting. Karma is the fruit of the action that we have been doing, whether good or bad. Now, this was all said very long, long time back, much before Christ, when people had all their sins and all their Karmas or good things or bad things stored in them, and they had no way of getting out of it. They had to go through various circles of birth and rebirth, again and again, to overcome all those things. For example, a person, say, he is an ardent Muslim. So he will be born an ardent Hindu next life. Like that he goes on choosing and ultimately he reaches certain conclusions that you have to be in the center, you don’t have to go any extremes. You are not to be a fanatic or you are not to deny God. But you reach a stage where it is beyond you. Then Christ came on this Earth as the son of God and He died for our sins. Means, He is the one who has created a door for us by which our Karmas can be absorbed. So now, when the Kundalini rises, when She crosses through this Agnya Chakra, the position I told you where Christ resides within us is a subtle center between the pituitary and peneal body on the Optic Chiasma is the one, that one gets opened up and that allows the Kundalini to suck your ego and superego, both. So taking out all that is supposed to be the Karma and that’s how, when the Kundalini awakens, She takes most of it. Your Karmas just dissolves – if the force is great, the whole of it can be dissolved. But… Interviewer: So Karma is like your, your sins? Shri Mataji : No, it is a myth. Actually it is a myth, because for animals there is no, nothing like Karma because animals do not think they are doing anything. If a, if a tiger has to attack a man, he has to attack because he must eat. He doesn’t think it’s a sin. But human beings in their freedom start feeling they are doing it. You see, they think they are doing this. They are doing nothing. They are just doing dead work. You see this is all dead – from dead to the dead. Can you ask anyone of them to transform a flower into fruit? Human beings do not do one living work. It’s only dead work they do. Like some birds take some straws and make a nest; they don’t think we have done something. But human beings, they say, “Oh, we have built this building, we have done this”, and also they have harnessed some of the material powers, you see, like electricity, you can say, and other things. And then they think we have done this and we have done that – is a myth. And this myth drops out because living work is very different from what is a dead work is. So this myth that “I am doing”, just drops out. 54 :20 Interviewer: Interesting. All right, let’s take another call… Hello. Auditor : Good evening. There are a lot of things to say. I have to start off by asking, “Is the Christ the conscious contact between the human and the Divine and was this link recognized and protected by the man Jesus?” Shri Mataji: No, He could not. You did not allow Him, He was crucified. I wish it could have been done that time but it was not. You just… it was very premature. You never… the people never gave Him any chance. I mean they just crucified Him for nothing at all. They never understood, they never recognized. Interviewer: But is the Christ the link between man and the Divine? Shri Mataji: Of course. He is the door. Interviewer: The door? Shri Mataji: Yes, but it is. He’s not the destination. Destination is the Spirit which is also Christ, in a way, which can be explained later on, if they come to our center; how Christ is everywhere. Because He is the embodiment of Divine Love. He is the embodiment of that Power which flows in your hand. He is the Spirit. Interviewer: Well, the Man, the Man Jesus, if we had let Him live, would have been able to open this door for all of us?” Shri Mataji: It should have happened, but they did not. One could have worked it out, but it’s rather difficult. Auditor: He obviously did recognize the [UNCLEAR] else He would’nt have been able to resurrect Himself? 56 :15 Shri Mataji: Yes, He will. I: The point the caller was making was, “Christ did realize this and He was able to resurrect Himself.” Shri Mataji: You see He was, He was the Divine Power. Nobody can kill Divine Power. That’s what Krishna had said that it cannot be killed and that’s what He proved. What Krishna said He proved it very well that He cannot be killed and that’s how He was resurrected. And that resurrection is the message of Christianity that you all should be resurrected. You should become your Spirit and not this body. QM: That is He is saying to us, “Don’t make Me an idol, make Me the Ideal. I: He is saying that Christ said, “Don’t make Me an idol, make Me the ideal.” Shri Mataji: That’s true. You see, if you now get your realization you will understand Him much better. You will do full justice to Him and you’ll recognize Him also and you’ll recognize Me. You never recognize. None of you could recognized any one of the incarnations who came on this Earth, and how we tortured them and troubled them. But now after realization, through your vibrations you can recognize because if Christ comes, you will see, the vibrations in your hand will increase tremendously. I: How many? Have there been any other, I am not just putting a question here, have there been any other men apart from Jesus, who have been as Holy as Jesus was? Shri Mataji: There have been so many incarnations of different aspects of God on this Earth. Much before Christ was, the first one was that of Shri Rama, we can say, as a human being who came and He lived like an ideal King. Because, He had to say what an ideal King and a ideal Man has to be. And His wife was the Holy Spirit with Him. Then came Krishna, who was another incarnation of Shri Rama, that aspect of a father, and then came Christ. Also Abraham, Moses and Mohammed Sahib, Nanak, Janak, all these great people. I: These are all Holy men? Shri Mataji: These are, these are prophets and these prophets are actually the embodiment of a principle called as Primordial Master, Adiguru and they incarnated on this Earth. And the main of them are ten and they reside in the visceral cavity we have in the stomach. I: Are you, are you a prophet? Are you an incarnation, yourself? Shri Mataji: That you better find out. I am not going to say anything about Myself because whenever they try to say the truth even, we crucified, Christ only tried to say that. Krishna told to one disciple only. Rama never told even to His father. And if I now do not take advantage of experiences, then it won’t be good. I: (laughs) (both) ….okay (Mother Laughs)…. Shri Mataji: I must be something. But if you had the knowledge of Hindu scriptures you would know what I must be. The way Kundalini rises in My presence it has a definite significance and it is described very clearly what sort of a person can do that. QM: What is the spelling of this particular form of yoga? I: S a h a j a QM: What does the Mataji think of, or what can She say about people called Siddha people? I: Are they in Australia? I think we have to be careful that we are not talking about any particular groups. I don’t think we want to name any particular group… Shri Mataji: No, No, No, No. There is no need to have any controversy. Only thing you should judge, one thing – what have they achieved; have they got their own powers? Those who are followers. This is the main thing. Have you got your own Powers? Are you Master of yourself? Do you know what you are doing? Do you know? Can you feel others, can you feel yourself? Can you say exactly, what’s wrong with you? Exactly can you say what’s wrong with others? This is what it is. Are you fully aware? That’s how you judge yourself. Not by names and things, is not proper. Because, have you achieved it? I: I think that’s the answer of the question. QM: I read a series of books called “Life’s teachings of the Masters of the far east” written by an American who was born in India and migrated… I: What is it called? QM: The Life and teachings of the masters of the Far East. I: And who was it by? QM: A man named Spaulding. He wrote them over a number of years. The first in 1924 and the last in 1955 and he is talking about a journey in India, in the Himalayas and he was quoting from ancient preachings and these preachings were attributed to these people called Siddha. And this name of course pops up in a lot of Indian literature and… I: Siddha? QM: Siddha. There’s another word [INAUDIBLE] This word Siddha seems to pop up in a lot of reading that I have done. I: I request Mataji to comment. What is Siddha? Shri Mataji: I’ll tell you. Siddha means the one who has got realization, who has been proved, who has got realization. But not… you cannot have a self-certificate “I am a ” by paying some money to some one, you see, or by doing something. It is a happening, which is living happening. Again I say that there is no effort. You cannot put in any effort. What effort did you put to become a human being from a monkey? You just became spontaneously. In the same way it is effortless. It should just happen effortlessly, that is first thing. And you cannot pay for it. Now, the books, and books and books, they are to be written. This is another kind of exploitation – is to write books about somebody. If an American goes to India, or anybody goes to India, did he have eyes to see? Did he have eyes to recognize? How can he say anything about somebody who is a Siddha or not? You cannot make out anybody who is a Siddha or not unless and until you are a realized soul yourself. You must have eyes to see. In darkness if you walk and you are blind, what are you going to write? I mean, I have seen people writing huge books about Kundalini and they don’t know where the Kundalini is. I mean, it’s surprising such honest people how they indulge into this because somebody writes. How much does it take to write? You take… I mean you pay little money and you just can write any book you feel like. How many books did Christ read? There’s no need to read any book. By reading if you are going to get realization then it’s a very surprising thing. I: But Siddha is someone who has… Shri Mataji: That means that. I mean this is elf-certification, you see. Just say that you are a Siddha because you have paid so much money, fees or something like that. That’s not the way. Siddha is a person who is a Self Realized person, who is, who is being proved. Siddha means the one who has been proved to be a realized person, and that’s a high state where you are collectively conscious; that you know how to raise the Kundalini; that you can give realization and that you understand everything. The whole technique of it is the Siddha; not the one who, who pays the money and becomes a something. It’s not that way. I: “Does that answer your question?” QM: Oh, yes. I was aware that money should not be the object. The thing is in what direction you are going. When you see the cost, it’s obviously not… I: We’ve got people waiting with their questions. QM: All right. I: Thanks for calling. [Radio station specifics] My guest tonight is a yogi and a mother who is Mataji Nirmala Devi, who is here to give a program of public talks to Her followers and anybody who would like to come along. The dates for the talks for those who are interested (we had lot of people calling to find out) will be this Wednesday and this Friday night at Maccabean Hall, 146, Darling Hurst Road, Darling Hurst at 7.30 p.m. If you would like to hear Mataji talk. Mataji, You did say that this energy that we can get from You perhaps can be got through the Radio, from your voice, by reaching out hands, palms facing upwards… Shri Mataji: Yes, and listening to me. If you put your hands towards Me, facing towards Me as if you are asking for something. and if you listen to Me, I think it can work out. Because in big roofs like six thousand and seven thousand people in India where we don’t have such good system of also broadcasting and I have seen people getting Realization only through My voice and they don’t even see Me so clearly. Now what you have to do is to just stretch your hands towards Me thinking that I am there and close your eyes. Now… I: Not if you are driving? Shri Mataji: Not. if you’re driving. Then you have to stop your car for a while because your, your eyes might get dilated. So it’s better to stop your car and just stretch your hands and if you could loosen your feet from your shoes will be a better idea. Even to take out your feet out of your shoes will be good idea, and a loosen little bit of your tie if you have any and sit in a relaxed manner. Now, for raising the Kundalini I’ll have to see the different centers, normally, that you catch, you see, and in general I will be able to tell you what is to be done. Now, what I feel is (that) the first center that you are catching now is the center where you are feeling guilty; because when I talk to you, you must have picked up on some words which makes you feel guilty. And this again I have to tell you that you should not feel guilty any more. Because Christ has done the job for you. So you should say, “I am not guilty.” It’s a very big fashion, in Australia specially, to feel guilty all the time. I don’t know what is the training is. I: To be a sinner, original sinner. Shri Mataji: No you are not. Your sins have been taken away. Why? What’s the use of Christ coming on this Earth? If you are a originally sinner, all right. Now, why did He come on this Earth? So you should say, “I am not guilty.” Get over this feeling. “I am not guilty.” That’s another thing the Christians are doing now is to ask people to confess. Why to confess? I mean Christ has done that for you. Whatever you have been committed, sins and all that, will be forgiven. If the Kundalini rises, it’s all forgiven. So you have to go on saying that, “I am not guilty.” I can feel the center now, sitting down here. Most of you are having this very big center in you saying that you are guilty. First of all you have to go on saying thrice or four times that, “I am not guilty.” It’s very important. Then the second center, which you are catching, is also very Australian style combination. What we call is the left navel center. It comes from your spleen. That means you are a speedy person. You are extremely speedy and you talk telescopically, you walk telescopically. You have no time for breakfast, no time for lunch and you make your spleen absolutely crazy. And this crazy spleen is a very dangerous thing. It leads you ultimately to something very, very serious which I would not like to mention to frighten you. But this speediness must be brought down. Now, to bring the speediness down, what you have to say that, “I have all the time for Meditation. I have all the time for God. I have all the time for everything. I am not in a hurry at all. Just say like that; it will help you a lot. “I am not in a hurry.” That’s the thing. At this time, specially in such a relaxed program, at least at this time you can say, “oh I am not in a hurry.” Just say that. This will bring down your speed. You are extremely speedy and that shows on My fingers and on My toes. I can feel it that you are speedy. Then, some of you have been to unauthorized Gurus and to unauthorized people. In that case you have to say, “Mother, am I my own Guru?” Just ask the question thrice; just say, “Mother, am I my own Guru?” If I say that, again you catch on the guilt. If I say anything you don’t catch on the guilt because once you say, “I am not guilty”, you are not guilty for anything. So when I say to you, you just say this what I am saying that “Am I my own Guru, Mother, after realization?” Just ask the question. Now another thing we have to do is to forgive others. Really we should forgive. Go on saying, “I forgive everyone. Mother, I forgive everyone”; say it thrice. It will help you. It will relax you very much. Go on saying, “I forgive.” Actually, Lord’s Prayer is a mantra. Is a chanting on the same Agnya Chakra I told you, where Christ resides, on the Optic Chiasma. That’s what you have to say. “I forgive. I forgive. I forgive.” Moreover, when you don’t forgive, what are you doing? It’s a myth. You are just torturing yourself for others. You are not torturing them whom you are not forgiving. It is they who are torturing you, and you are playing into their hands. So you go on saying, “I forgive. I forgive. I forgive. I forgive all of them.” This will relax you very much. You’ll have no thought in your mind. Close your eyes. Closing of the eyes is important because when the Kundalini rises, there is dilatation of the pupil. So better close your eyes. Now, you have to say that “Mother forgive us”, or you can say to God that, “Pplease forgive us if we have done anything knowingly or unknowingly against God.” This is to be said without feeling guilty, again. Without feeling guilty you should say that because once you say it, it is forgiven. It is forgiven. Then there should be no guilt. If it is forgiven, why should there be a guilt? This is a big disease, I think, in the west to feel guilty about everything. You have to get over. This is a very bad disease and it gives you lots of problems starting from Spondylitis of the neck, and then rest of them come after that. So not to feel guilty at all. You have to love yourself and you must know that you are men of God and women of God, are to be made prophets. And once you are made prophets, you can make others prophets. This is what William Blake has said about the times of Sahaja Yoga. He has clearly said all these things. Not only He has said where we are going to have a Ashram in Lambethway, we have our Ashram in the Runes [UNCLEAR], the foundations will be laid. He has said also where I will first go to England – is the Surrey Hills. All these things He has so clearly said it. It’s all going to happen to you because you deserve it. Now after saying, “forgive me” thrice, you have to ask for your realization. You say, “Mother, give me my Realization.” Say twice, thrice and you start feeling the cool breeze in your hand. After sometime you’ll find even the cool breeze coming out of your head, on top of your head on the fontanel bone area. You will find there’s cool breeze coming out like a jet. And if there is air conditioning, you better close it because it will quite cool now. You’ll feel very relaxed, extremely relaxed, will be thoughtless. Now don’t think about it, it has not happened to you by thinking. So don’t think about it; it is beyond thinking. And do come and see Me in Macabean Hall, where you will have to grow more and understand more about it. It’s like the sprouting of the seed, which has, which takes place without much difficulties. But as Christ Himself has said that “Some seeds fell on the rock and some fell in the waste in the same time”, it happens with us also. So it is better to know how to make this germination manifest itself into a big tree. May God bless you all. I: You are listening to the Forum and my guest to night is Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is talking tonight about Self-realization and I hope you are enjoying the program. It is interesting to me; It is something quite different. Mataji will be giving a program of talks this Wednesday and this Friday night at 7.30 at Macabean Hall, Dunning Hurst road, Dunning Hurst. Mother, I am not sure what to call You. I don’t know what I should call You. How do I describe what You are? Shri Mataji: Just call Me Mother. That’s all, sufficient. I: Does that describes what You are? Shri Mataji: Yes, that describes everything. I: All right. We have with us the Mother. QL: Hello Mother. Shri Mataji: Yes. QL: I wanted to know, is the cool breeze that You have spoken about, you feel on the hands the cool wind of the Holy Spirit, as spoken about in the Bible? Shri Mataji: Yes. Yes, yes, same thing, same thing. You have done the good job now, I must say. I: Is it the Holy Spirit? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, is the Holy Spirit. QL: Aha… I am feeling it now on my hand through the [not clear] Shri Mataji: It’s good. I: Did you want to say anything more than that? QL: No, I just… That’s all I wanted to know because I… Shri Mataji: Because you are thoughtless now. Enjoy yourself. QL: Thank you I: Hello QL: Hello I: Yes, good evening. QL: Good evening, and good evening Mother Mataji. QL: “Mother, when You began Your program, I think I heard You say that cancer invading the body could be an evil spirit. Is that what is understood? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. It comes through, you see, invasion of some of these things within you. Even a virus infection is coming from some vegetables who where out of circulation of evolution… QL: Yes… Shri Mataji: are affecting virus. And also these other proteins they talk of are nothing but some sort of a infection from the collective subconscious area from the left hand side. That’s what I have seen so far in the all the cancer patients that either they have been to black magic, or their parents have been to someone, or they’ve been to some sort of a clairvoyance or some sort of a thing like that, or one of these Gurus or some sort of like that, which is an unauthorized things to deal. Even psychologist can do that. I: So you are saying, You believe that Cancer is an Evil Spirit? Shri Mataji: No, I didn’t say that. Cancer is triggered by an entry of some sort of an unauthorized handling of the left sympathetic nervous system, to put it very precisely and scientifically. QL: Yea, I tried to understand You Mother Mataji, but not quite. My father had cancer and I developed it six years ago in exactly the same part of my body as my father had it. Shri Mataji: Yes. May be your father is to be told that “I am all right. Don’t worry about me. You get your birth and get your realization. QL: yes Shri Mataji: And he can leave you. And you can be perfectly all right if he leaves you, because he is worried about you. QL: Yes. And an another thing Mother. My daughter had a very serious car accident and she has epilepsy through the injury to her brain. I, I cannot accept her. It is over fifteen years ago. I haven’t been able to accept this crippling of her body and I wonder if your Sahaja Yoga would help me. Shri Mataji: It is still helping, but is she a seeker? I: She said her daughter. Her daughter had a car accident and developed epilepsy… QL: But I have not accepted to see that beautiful body of my daughter now so crippled and I cannot… I try very hard to accept it. But I can’t, Mother. Shri Mataji: See, you can cure her through Sahaja Yoga. You must come and see me at the Maccabean Hall and I’ll tell you how to do it. It’s not difficult. QL: Yes. Shri Mataji: But if the bones are been removed, and if doctors have put some sort of a dead material, then I won’t be able to work it out. QL: But the doctors have told me that there are so many cells of the brain that are absolutely dead and will never ever be regenerated. Shri Mataji: Let us see, we might try. I: I think, perhaps I should say that we are not in the business of healing people over the radio and it think it will lead to a lot of trouble if we pretend we are so that’s not what we are suggesting. Mother Mataji is simply saying that she believes that this may work out. So the best thing is perhaps to go and see Her. QL: Very well. Thank you. I: It’s an area we’ve got be careful with I think.[News break)…..(Advertisement] My guest is Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is from… originally from India and is now living in England and She is touring Australia for a series of lectures. This week it’ll be on Wednesday and Friday night at 7.30 at the Maccabean Hall. I: “Mataji, I wondered if I can just ask you about the daily troubles that we have. For instance, I am generally worrying about my business and financial pressures and so on that I have in a business I set up it goes up and down all the time. How does this sort of approach help us sort out daily, daily worries like financial worries? Shri Mataji: Within us we have a center which is called as the Navel Center which is responsible for looking after our well being – financial, material all these day-to-day problems as you call it. Shri Krishna has said that, “After yoga I look after your well being, but after yoga.” First you must be united with the Divine Power, then you become a member, or you can say a citizen, of God’s owned province and He looks after you. As your government, Australian Government looks after you, in the same way the Divine Power looks after you and your financial problems gets solved. They get completely solved. But you do not get over rich or extremely rich. If you are very poor you become all right. The main thing is the satisfaction that you get out of your endeavors and your financial things. For example: I will give you a simple example of this thing. They came and they asked Me, “Mother, what would you like to buy in Australia?” They told Me, “We import everything here, so what would you like to buy?” I said, “I would like to see a crockery shop.” Now, they took Me. They wanted to take Me to a particular crockery shop. But they took Me to another one saying that you cannot park the car here and there I met a lady who was given realization a year back and is a great seeker. But she is lost because she started sort of getting more busy with other things of life, mundane life and I just met her there. And after meeting her, it was such a, such a satisfaction to her, she said “Mother, I couldn’t come to your program so you have come all the way just to see me”. And they couldn’t understand why I wanted to go to a crockery shop, you see. Now what happens that when you are realized, your dimensions are so much alert that you start seeing things in a much better perspective. Like a business, immediately you know how far to go with it, the acumen, the business acumen as they say – just start getting you that enlightenment. For example, there was a gentleman who had lost his job when he came to Me. He got his realization and I told him, “All right, now you do some business.” He said, “What should I do?” I said, “All right, start with carpentry”, because, because of Christ I think I like carpentry very much. He said, “Carpentry, I am very bad at it.” I said, “All right, take to interior decoration.” He said, “I don’t know what is the wood is. I don’t know.” I: Sorry, I did not quite follow… He said… Shri Mataji: I don’t know what wood is. I mean, I don’t know what are the different styles of woods are, what is vineer, I don’t know a word about it. I said, “You will know everything. Just try your vibratory awareness.” And he started his decoration and he got lots of people coming to him and asking for him; and he just started arranging all the different woods and different styles of things and people were very happy with it; and he has made remarkable things. He has made lot of money out of it and people are still calling him for that work because he just suddenly developed that awareness by which he produced things, which were aesthetic and were appealing to people. Another thing is, those evil forces also bring you down. Like, we had a gentleman in Poona who was very bad at his business. Nobody would come to his shop and he was not selling anything. He said, “Mother, will you come to my shop one day?” I said, “It’s rather difficult for Me. But one day I’ll just… If I can, I’ll just drop in.” I went there. After that he started getting lots of people in his shop and now he’s become a rich man. He couldn’t understand why, how it has happened. Only My going there has worked so much. Second Part QL: ….Spirituality. Would Mataji say any of these cults are valid, or is Sahaja Yoga the only true path? I: Is this Sahaja Yoga the only true path? Shri Mataji: I wouldn’t say so bluntly, because you’ll be shocked. But I’ll tell you the other way round that if you have to germinate the seed, what do you do? You have to sprout the germination. Isn’t it? You have to germinate the primule of a seed. Isn’t that… That’s the only way you do it. Isn’t it? There’s no way, other way out. So in the same way, if you have to get your realization, it’s only the Kundalini awakening and it is done through Sahaja Yog only. But today it has taken a shape of Maha Yog. Means a great happening by which there is en mass realization. There are people who are getting realization in a mass. It’s not only one individual or two individual, but masses after masses have to get realization. Now if you say, “Which is the way a flower has to become a fruit?” There’s only one way. There are no two ways. Living things do not have two ways and five alternatives. These are all for human beings to take lots of decisions and do all these things. But for any living thing, it’s only one way it works out and that’s how it is. The germination within you, which is a living force of the living God, is the only way – is the Kundalini awakening. And that’s why we can say Sahaja is the only way. It is; there’s no other way out. QL: Well, Mataji, for those people who are seeking and who don’t want to come to Sahaja Yoga, what’ll happen to them? Shri Mataji: You see, they should come. Why not? They, they will all come and I can see your concern. Same concern I have. But they go after circuses; they go after people who are false; those who take money from them; those who befool them. They do not want to come to reality. What can you do about it? The choice is your own. QL: Thank you very much. I: Thanks for calling. What happens if they don’t come? Shri Mataji: They just don’t come because they don’t like reality. See they crucified Christ, why? They didn’t like Him, why? I: They were frightened? Shri Mataji: They were frightened; they are just frightened for nothing at all. Perhaps they are possessed, some of them. They are ego oriented? I: All right. It’s three minutes to eleven…Hello… 1:24:55 Auditor : … I would like to ask a few questions…. Shri Mataji : I can’t hear Auditor: You mentioned that diseases are only expressions of spiritual and emotional disarray. Interviewer: You mentioned that diseases are an expression of emotional and… Shri Mataji: Physical imbalances. Interviewer: Physical imbalances. Auditor: That asthma could be caused by one of a person’s parents dying young. I, I’ve always believed that diseases are caused by an expression of spiritual disarray because someone is not obeying their karma. I wonder if you would like to elaborate a bit on that? Is it the bad karma that’s not being obeyed or could have some result for instance or any disease because of one’s parents, a child’s parents died young, or suffering from anorexia, I don’t know what you’re going say… Interviewer: Mataji is having difficulty in understanding you. If you could just speak a little more slowly. Auditor: You mentioned, in speaking, that diseases are caused by spiritual and emotional disarray in a person. I am interested to know, or to reconcile, how some diseases could be caused – you mentioned asthma for instance – could be caused in a person? Shri Mataji: You see, first you mentioned about karma. First thing I must tell you, what we understand in karma is something very, very narrow also. You see, supposing you are in imbalance, all right? Now, if your father or anybody’s father, for example, you are too attached to your father, and if such a thing happens that your father leaves you or something happens like that, your principle of father in you is shaken. I mean this is not your karmas, but this is your father’s karma that it shakes you. Or may be his death is not your karma nor his karma. But something like that happens while you have been so attached that, that portion is shaken up, because human beings are very delicate things. As they are very aware, they have to be extremely delicate and very beautifully made. As you see any machinery, which is very sensitive, is extremely delicate. In the same way, human beings are extremely sensitive and delicate and we don’t know how to handle ourselves. That’s why the problems come in. But the karma business is very gross stuff. 1 :27 :27 I: Mataji, I would just stop you there and we will come back to this after the news. We must pause for the network news, we…. QL: Yes, Thank you. I: Thank you. Right, and we’ll be back after the news and we’ll talk some more about Self-realization and stay tuned with us… (News) Tonight we are talking about Self-realization and my guest is Mataji Nirmala Devi and She is here tonight to talk about the technique, perhaps, by which we can free ourselves from the physical and emotional and mental disorders that are caused by the stresses of modern life as they say, one way to put it. Just before the news we were talking to a caller and we were talking about karma, which to put it in modern terms would be all pluses and minuses of your past life, of your life until now and this is within you, and the caller was asking whether this is responsible for illness and Mataji is answering. I think, if I’ve got it right, that we don’t need to feel guilty and we don’t need to get any poison out of ourselves, and we don’t need to try to clear ourselves of past deeds or past sins but we need to progress now to a higher state of consciousness of Self-realization and let’s ask the caller. Are you there? QL: Yes. I: Mataji was talking about karma. QL: Right. She has answered the question. Can I ask another one? I: Sure QL: About the Kundalini… I have a friend who meditated for about six or eight hours. He has unfortunately gone through an awful, emotional experience. He did not experience the cool breeze but rather a burning fire. Shri Mataji: That’s very true. If you do not know how to do it, you get all these problems. Like villagers coming to the city, putting their hands into the plug and saying that the electricity only burns you. You see, it is to be done by a person who knows the job, who is authorized and such a person has to be a holy person. It cannot be done, everyone. So somebody who knows the job, in the sense not scientifically but through the authority of God, should be able to do it. So it is always the fire and all these business come because, not the Kundalini that punishes you. Kundalini is your own individual Mother. She does not punish. But there is a deity, sitting at the base of the Kundalini. It gets very annoyed and it starts lashing you on the sympathetic nervous system. But it’s not that only you feel fire. Sometimes people even get blisters and things. Is a wrong way of doing a thing. I: Just from meditation? Shri Mataji: Yes. You see, if you try to do… there are certain nonsensical things they do, which I do not want to talk here. But all these nonsensical things can lead to problems. QL: Another question? Regards, I guess it regards karma and dharma once again. God said that we were all created equal and we are. But then, we are not born equal. And we’re not born equal because of our past and our reincarnations. I was wondering if in the end whether we will all have been reincarnated the same number of times, every person on earth? I: Is there an end? Are we heading to an end where we will all be reincarnated the same number of times? Shri Mataji: Yes, you are reincarnated again and again. Improved on to, like an instrument is always improved on one after another, isn’t it? But now the time has come for you to manifest the purpose for which you have been made. So you become that like a light is in the process of being made till it becomes a light. Then it is put to the mains. Then what is the job of the light? Is just to give the light; It has become that now. I: Right, is there an end to… Is there an end for all of this at one point? Are we all heading to one end? Shri Mataji: You see, first you get germinated, then you grow into a tree. Then you want to come back again to help others. It’s out of compassion. I: But there’s no end; it keeps going? Shri Mataji: And if you want to end it, you can end it. But you like it. You want to come back again and again to help people. I: But for all of us, there’s no end? Shri Mataji: I mean it is, it is later on when you are realized soul it is your own free will, if you want to continue or don’t want to continue. You are not forced to come down. QL: Ma’m Mataji, if you accomplish all your karma in one life and you do good, why would you keep coming back continually? Shri Mataji: You see, the karma theory is now over as I told you. There’s nothing like karmas left any more. You see, Christ has opened that center for us in which the chakras, you see, are all get completely enlightened and when the Kundalini rises, She sucks in the ego within you which makes you feel that you have done this karma and that karma. Right? I: So, you are saying that Christ really has taken all the sins? Shri Mataji: Yes, He has definitely. I mean He doesn’t tell lies. So He has done it. Now, the main thing is that when you die after realization, if you want you can come back, because out of compassion. You come on this Earth out of compassion, to help people because you are part and parcel of the whole. Is a different thing, now you do not come to take anything but to give. QL: Good. I feel that there’s this inner thing within us, or within some of us, any way, within us all wants the union with God. And if we achieve that karma, I keep thinking we must want to have union with God and not keep coming back to Earth. I mean, even now if we come back to do good and for compassionate reason… Shri Mataji: No. I would say that, you see, this is not what you feel or believe. It is what it is. Should be. Now you are thinking too much about the future. You have to think of the present, of this moment, of getting your realization, to be in the present. You shouldn’t think of the future so much, of this… karma is the past. In the future coming and going is… you are not in the present. You are thinking either of the past or of the future because you’ve read a lot, I think, about these things and you just believe in it. Your belief and your feelings are not the truth. You must face them as it is. I: The caller was talking about the heaven, I think… Shri Mataji: Yes. Thinking of heaven and all that. But see for yourself, keep your eyes open. I didn’t have any conception of this place, where I’m sitting, this studio. When I came here, I saw it how it is to be worked out and then I decided. If I had decided before hand, it would have been all wrong. QL: Very true, Thank you. Shri Mataji: My blessings. I: Thanks for calling. It’s twelve past eleven and my guest tonight Mataji, Mother Mataji is here to talk about Sahaja Yoga and its practice and Self-realization and She’ll be giving lectures, talks, on Wednesday night and Friday night at 7.30 at the Maccabean Hall, 146, Darling Hurst Road, Darling Hursy. And. is there any charge or… ? Shri Mataji: No charge. It’s all free. I: Okay. There’s no money involved. This is just something She wants to give to you and that might interest many… Hello. Hi, good evening. QL: I couldn’t listen… [UNCLEAR] Mataji. She did speak on Cancer. I could understand people could I have cancer from a… [UNCLEAR]… But I don’t understand why the small children have cancer. Would She have an answer to this? I: Why do small children get cancer? QL: That’s right. Especially if they have healthy parents. Shri Mataji: There are many other things, which gives cancer to children. One of them is very common is blood cancer. Now blood cancer we give to children ourselves, by our speedy nature, over conditioning. All the time, telling them when they are eating food, “You have to go to school; now get ready; now you have to do it; you should be on time.” All the time putting watches on their heads. This is how we give them blood cancer. I: We create stress? Shri Mataji: Stress on them for nothing at all. Then the schools themselves are horrid. Sometimes, the schools give them education which is not needed. They condition them. Then the sex knowledge is not needed to be given to children. It’s just opening them to something that they need not know at all. They are innocent. We disturb their innocence by so many things. Then all your nonsensical pornographies and this and that and talk of sex to innocent children. We really play with their… we should blame our society for that, if not an individual parent. But everybody has to face it. Now this sex education is not needed for children at all. There’s no need. When they grow up, the Mother’s should tell the daughter and the father should tell the son, in a very private and a sacred way. Not to just tell them so openly that they become curious, they start experimenting with it. All that can be possible. Then also, there was a gentle man whose son got cancer at a very young age. They were surprised, how he got cancer, because the man was very good and the child was very small. And then we found out: the grand mother had a habit of taking the child to the, to the, what you call?, the burial grounds and things like that and she always had a great fascination for these places. Even churches have got these dead bodies. Now, what to say? We expose our children without understanding where we are taking them. We put them to stress. So that is the result. QL: Thank you. I: Thanks for your call. (Announcements) Hello, good evening. QM: I would like to ask Mataji a question and… Mataji, I have heard you speak about negative forces and: one, what are these forces? And two, are they causing and increasing problems facing society today? Shri Mataji: Facing what? I: Society today. Shri Mataji: Very much. Now… QM: First, what are these negative forces you talked about? I: What are these negative forces? Shri Mataji: These are the forces that are built during evolutionary processes when people became ambitious or became very sly, and they took to ways and methods which are anti God. They are punished many a times. But they are born now with a vengeance because they want that the last step now, by which human beings are going to get their realization and they are going to solve their problem and the step where they will have a break through in their evolution, they want to stop it. That’s why they are trying to destroy you in so many ways. I: You are saying we getting very close as a race of human beings to a point where we will all get Self-realization; that time is coming now. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes very much. That last judgment has started. I: How long will it last? Shri Mataji: Depends on how long you take… (Laughs)….(Both of them). You see, maximum time will be given for people to be resurrected. I: That’s hundreds of years or ten to … Shri Mataji: Not hundreds. Should not be hundreds. But there should be sufficient time for many people to get realization, and then few are left there because already the hell is full of people there and there isn’t much room for others to go in. I: And those evil forces are massing too? Shri Mataji: Yes, they are. They are very much in hands-in-hands and they are all joined together and they are working it out. Destroying our Spirit, destroying our attention from Spirit, they are taking us away from reality. They are doing all kinds of subtle things. It’s all spirits, spirits, spirits; so many of them. But your Spirit, the Spirit that is God within you, is the most powerful thing and once it is enlightened in your awareness, they all run away. They’re frightened. QM: How important is it for one to gain realization? Shri Mataji: That’s vital for every one of us. If you are human being, we should know why we are human beings. It would be something a question that, “if you are a lamp, how vital it is for the lamp to be the light?” QM: Yes. All right, thanks very much. I: Thanks for your call. (Music)…It’s 21 past 11 AM; 9295555 and the forum we’re talking about Self-realization and Sahaja Yoga. My guest is Mother Mataji, who is here from England…. In fact, you live in London; Your husband is a Diplomat. Is He not? Shri Mataji: He is elected as the Secretary General of the International Maritime Organization, which is one of the UN agencies. There are fourteen or fifteen secretary generals. He is one of them elected by, I think, one hundred twenty nations. That’s how I’m in England. But, this is temporary. He is reelected again; He has been elected thrice. So we’ve been there for seven years now. Five years more we have to be there. I: You will keep traveling the world and keep spreading the word? Shri Mataji: Up to some time. Then I would like to retire. If somebody wants take over from Me, will be a good idea. ….. I: Are there people to take over? Shri Mataji: Yes. There are very capable people; they can do it. I can stay in one place and they can do it. I: Do you have any thoughts on the future on what’s going to happen to the world and to all of us? Shri Mataji: Very optimistic. I: You are. Shri Mataji: You are all going to be saved and we are going to have all the blessings of God and all His power is going to flow through us and we are going to enjoy ourselves in full bliss. I: Sounds wonderful. Let’s take the next call. Hello. QL: I would like to ask Mother, “Is She not infact preaching a combination of Hinduism, Muslim and Christianity? I: Are you preaching a combination of religions? Shri Mataji: Complete integration. I asked… you have seen that through. I’m happy to know that. It’s complete integration. The relationship between different Incarnations and different Prophets is to be established and is to be proved. It can be proved also through Kundalini awakening. You can prove it, how they are related to each other. QL: Yes, well I believe all religions… Shri Mataji: That’s very great. But the belief becomes the Truth and you can prove it to others also. QL: You were asking to know religions. Basically they are worshipping the same but they are just… call this God by different names. But I find it confusing, you were talking about karma, dharma. There has been no mention of Nirvana…. Shri Mataji: No mention about Nirvana because you are not interested in Nirvana so much as they were interested in karma and dharma. Nirvana is the one where you get your freedom by becoming your Spirit. That’s what I’m saying. QL: Yes. But then, if you follow the Christian teaching, one would believe we should all have this because that’s why Christ died, to give it to us. Shri Mataji: Yes, you should not have all these problems at all. I mean this is not… that’s what I’m saying. I: But the caller said we should have Nirvana. If you follow Christ, you should have Nirvana. Shri Mataji: If you follow in the true sense. That you become a Sahaja Yogi then only you get it. Isn’t it? Not by going to some organized places, where they’ve organized Christ also. QL: Yes, I agree… You don’t have to go to an organized… I: You have to find Christ in yourself? Shri Mataji: Yes, in yourself; through realization. Not the way by just becoming members of something. QL: Who would You… [UNCLEAR] acquire in Him from Indian religion, the Goddess Kaali? Shri Mataji: Goddess Kaali…. I think you better come to My program and I’ll tell you all about them. Goddess Kaali…… QL: Who in the Christian teachings would you related to? Shri Mataji: Goddess Kaali? You see, the Mother of Christ was Maha Lakshmi. Did you hear about that point? She was Maha Lakshmi and Goddess Kaali did not incarnate at the time of Christ. I: Who is the, who is the equivalent in the Christian religion of the Goddess Kaali? Is there any equivalent in the Christian religion? Shri Mataji: Is the power of Saint Michael. I: Saint Michael? Hmm… QL: [UNCLEAR] I: Why does Christian religion say, “All children are conceived in sin?” All children are born sinners. Why this? Why does the Christian religion say that? Shri Mataji: I mean, you were… better go and ask the Christians. I don’t know why they say all these things. QL: I’ve asked them and they can’t… Shri Mataji: They can’t, you see, because there are so many ideas they have got in their heads. You see, they’ve… I don’t know. They have grown horns out of Christianity. What am I to do? QL: Something which is written in the Bible and they………. Shri Mataji: No, it is not said that you are born in sin.” You see, you said that in the basic sin is there that a man has started thinking for himself. Is the basic thing, is that; he is free to think for himself. By that, the Ego and Super ego develops in a human being and he develops his own independence, as “I” ness, and he is separated from God’s desire; in the sense, he has his own desire exerting itself. This is the basic sin: of separation. QL: “Yea, but then [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Then after Self-realization, you become one with that power. Like all the animals are one with God’s power, they have no free will. We through our free will reach certain conclusions of good and bad and after realization, we are aware. The animals are not aware. But we are aware: what is God’s will is. I: I think, the caller was saying how do we, how do we reach Self-realization? Shri Mataji: Through Kundalini awakening. It’s a spontaneous thing. It would be a question like this, “How do we transform a flower into a fruit?” It’s spontaneous. It’s living. QL: Yes, but in on the one hand you are saying [not clear]… but how can one be expected to get Self-realization without thinking for yourself? Shri Mataji: Without…? I: Thinking for yourself. Shri Mataji: No, because this is beyond thinking, it is spontaneous. By thinking you do not sprout a seed. Do you? It is a spontaneous thing. We must understand living processes first of all. QL: But then… Shri Mataji: By thinking you do not, do not live. You see, living process is different from, thinking is dead. I: Automatic. Shri Mataji: It is automatic. I: Like the heart beat? Shri Mataji: Yes, but we can say spontaneous – Sahaja – is better because it has life in it; you see. QL: Yes, but you know thought also has life. Without life we can’t think. I: Thought also has life, without life we cannot think. Shri Mataji: No, that’s wrong. QL: Any thought… Shri Mataji: No, you see inspiration is different. But thought is different and it has no life. It is beyond thought that you achieve this power. Actually… I: It’s not meditation that we are talking about… Shri Mataji: No, no, no…. you cannot do it. You have to become. It’s a state of mind where you are beyond your mind. It just starts flowing through you and it relates to you beyond your thought. I: Perhaps you should we explain to people who have joined the programme? Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s better; it is not easy to continue with this on the Radio. But I will; definitely it can be explained very easily and can be proved also. I: Okay. Thanks for your call. Perhaps we could go over the process by which you say we awaken the Kundalini, the energy within us. This is a matter of stretching out one’s hands to someone who is authorized like Yourself, You say, someone who is holy… Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Even if I blow on this thing it will work out. Even blowing will help; My talking will help. Yes, it will help many people. If they are sensitive enough, it will help them. I: Mother, why don’t you do that? Shri Mataji: All right. Now you stretch your hands, pleased, towards Me like you do it in the mass asking for your Self-realization. Close your eyes; don’t attach your attention anywhere, on any center. Just keep it loose, absolutely free. And I’ll now blow in the mike. It will have an effect on you and you will start feeling the cool breeze in the hand in a big way. Now try not to think, is better because this is beyond thinking. Thinking will stop it. So please try not to think and you need not even try, it will just become that you’ll become thoughtless. (Mother blows…….). Now feel your fingers. You’ll find a very slight movement of energy on your fingers. May be there may be tingling, may be some little burning, pins and needles, could be, because you are opening out and those who have got realization will feel a cool wind blowing. These are the different stages that can take place. Ultimately, you all should get cool breeze in the hand and also the cool breeze jutting out of your fontanel bone area on your head. You can put your right hand towards Me and the left hand on top of your head. You’ll feel that there’s a cool jet flowing upwards. Those who smoke may not feel so much because the Vishuddhi Chakra, meaning the center that looks after the cervical plexus, is little bit numbed. The nerve, the cervical nerve, which has to carry the message of the cool breeze, is numbed and they cannot feel it. But they definitely feel first the smoke coming out of their head and then the cool breeze coming out of their heads. You can even smell the smoke. I: So it’s 28 to 12, my guest to night is “Mataji Nirmala Devi” and She’s here……(Announcement in detail)….(Music)…….. QM: Hello. I: Yes, good evening. QM: Good evening. Talked about Self-realization. I think, possibly, my opinion would be that before we sort anybody else’s problems out, the greatest thing we’ve got to sort out would be our mind. I: Our own mind. QM: Yes, because I think that we are the ones we live with, if you can understand what I am saying. Twenty-four hours a day, when we are sleeping or whatever, dreams or working or whatever, we are the ones that we have to always fight or put up with or enjoy or not enjoy, apart from our partners. wives, husbands. I: We have to sort our own mental processes. QM: I think this is the greatest problem and people will not accept the fact that the greatest sin in the world would be accepting defeat. Shri Mataji: … (Mother laughs)… I: Okay. Mataji’s comment on it… Shri Mataji: Now, the word mind is very confusing. We have to understand our mind is… can be divided broadly into two halves. One, the mind which is conditioned, which we call as Superego or Mana in Sanskrit language. And the another mind is the Ego which is called as Ahamkara, means the one by which we accumulate a kind of a idea that I do this and I do that and I like it. All those things come from that I, which is Mr. Ego. And the another is the Superego by which we are conditioned and we accept the conditioning and we become a person full of these ideas like “I don’t like that” and “I am afraid and I am frightened” and all sorts of things. So these are the two things that are really in our mind. QM: But who… Shri Mataji: Now, just a minute. Please listen… QM: Sorry. Shri Mataji: I’ll explain to you the whole thing. Now the, the Superego is the past that we have. So we get our thoughts from the past, or the Ego is the thoughts about the future. So we have two types of thoughts. One from your past and one from your future, because in the center, where it is present there are no thoughts. It’s a thoughtless area. It’s a very small area. For example: a thought wave starts within you. It rises and you see the rising of the thought, but not the falling of it. It falls and then another thought starts. It rises and falls again. Like that the thoughts start rising and falling and we jump on the cusps of these thoughts – sometimes in the future or sometimes in the past. We have no control over it. All right? Now, what happens with realization? That when you, your Kundalini rises, She goes in the center and She sucks in the Ego and the Superego and you become one with the present where you’ll see the reality as it is. I’ll give you a simple example that whatever we try to solve by our mind can be very defective because we never face the reality. What we think about is the future, which doesn’t exist and the past, which is finished. QM: But this… doesn’t this go back to accepting things? Shri Mataji: Pardon? I: Doesn’t this go back to accepting things? Shri Mataji: No not… you need not accept; it is a happening. Unless and until this happens to you, you need not even accept Me. But should not also deny. What I am saying you keep an open mind about it and it works out. So, when it works out, then you live in the present. You try to solve anything through your mind, you’ll find it will have a relative value Always. It may be successful, it may not be successful. It may be correct, it may be incorrect. It’s all relative. That’s why there is confusion. We have to find the absolute point. When your Kundalini rises, She takes you into the realm when you are in the present and you see all the dimensions. For example: what is present and future and past? Is nothing but the two shadows of the present. For example, somehow by any chance if you can hang over the curve of the Earth, then you can see the future and the past, at one point, all the time and wherever you are is the present all the time. Its something like that happens to you. It’s a new dimension of awareness where the mind takes a new dimension where you become the present. The problems get sorted out so easily when you are in the present. It is to be seen and felt and to be experienced. Then your mental activity becomes very little because it is such a waste of energy – just thinking, thinking, thinking, reaching nowhere. QM: OK. Can I just get a few words here? You missed my entire point. If I am brought up in India, I would speak Indian. If I am brought up in Greece, I would speak Greek. If I am brought up to preach to a God who is made of wood…[INAUDIBLE]….., Now, what the hell chance have I got, judging by any laws or… I mean it’s relevant, no matter what anybody says, an actual fact if you want to admit, admit the whole thing. Nobody knows anything, and you can think that I am… Shri Mataji: All right. This is again Mr. Ego speaking. QM: I beg your pardon? Shri Mataji: It is the Ego that is saying that nobody knows, because Ego covers up everything. It covers up all the knowledge. So you have to go beyond this realm to see. For example: you can say that there is nothing under your skin. But a doctor will say, “No, there is, there are cells and you can see them.” But you have to have a microscope. Now, you must have the microscope to see. But if you deny, “I don’t want to see the microscope”, you will never see. QM: I agree with all… Shri Mataji: All right. So you must get your realization. You must have your Spirit and then you can see if you cannot see or not. But just now to deny it is just to refuse to knoe. You will be adamant. QM: Now, look, I agree with it. Even if You said… all I am saying is that I think the biggest hassle that everyone has apart from being a millionaire or a puppet or a Mongol or a Cripple is the fact that they have to live within themselves everyday of their life and irrelevant of what you might say, or I might or God… Shri Mataji: Now I follow. QM: … let me finish. Irrelevant of what anyone might say, we have to live with ourselves and until such time as we can solve that part out of it, we will not believe in anything that anybody says because we have to be happy within ourselves. And whether you call it God or whether you call it the Devil, or whether you call it Buddhism or Hinduism or whatever you want to call it, you will never ever achieve that. Shri Mataji: May be now I understand what you want to say. All right, I’ll explain. This is very simple. You see, when you are living with your mind, naturally you have to depend on it. Isn’t it? I: Can you hear? Can you hear? QM: Yes, I can. Shri Mataji: Yes. When you live with your mind, you have to depend on it. But with Kundalini awakening, you go beyond your mind and this power starts flowing through you. Then you have to judge it by asking questions. For example: you get this cool breeze flowing in your hands. You cannot explain through your mind. All right, then you just try to ask, ask questions. Supposing you are a computer and you are put to the mains. Now, is this the computer answering the question? Then you just ask the question, one simple question, “Is there God?” A simple question. Just now you ask the question in your heart, “Is there God?” and you’ll see that these cool breeze forces will increase tremendously. So what happens that through this you understand the powers of the beyond, the working of the beyond and the beyond of the mind things. Then you start using a new awareness. Not only of your limited mind, but that of the unlimited vibratory awareness that is within you. You become a different personality. I: OK. I think we could answer that question. Thanks for your call. (Announcement in detail)… … Hello. QM: I am most interested in the, sort of occurrence of, in… to me has been choice I: So, you mean about reincarnation? QM: Well, Yea, in a way. It seems central to this Self-realization, the state, that one did not have a choice. Now I was just wondering how we become more aware of these choices and what choices are Mother Mataji’s are. In fact, mine. I: You… What choices have you made? Did You choose to return to earth or… Shri Mataji: You see, about Me the less said the better. But of course, I did choose to come here and to give realization, no doubt. I am here for that. But one has to understand, this is so important that an egg has to become a bird. Isn’t it? In the same way, you are an egg and you have to be born again when you have become a bird. It’s a different awareness. That’s what has to happen. A mother bird has to lay the eggs and then create chicks out of that. Isn’t it? QM: Why did you make your choice? I: Why did you make your choice? Shri Mataji: That’s My job. What can I do? I: It had to be made? Shri Mataji: Yes, it had to be. You see, it is My desire, or you can say that’s My nature. QM: So we are… it was not a question of personal choice. It was… Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? I: It was your personal choice? Shri Mataji: Of course. (Mother Laughs)… QM: I was just… Personally, the difficulty in my life would be just knowing, when the choice exist between 1, 2 or among many forms of action. Shri Mataji: You see the choices are changed. Your priorities are changed because your awareness is different. You see the… when your awareness is different, you start behaving in a different way. Your whole priorities change, your standards change, your values change. I: And you choose differently? Shri Mataji: You choose differently, you’re… You see, because you choose through vibrations. You see you may choose to buy something because it has better vibrations than to buy something which has no vibration. I: You’re saying everyone chooses? Shri Mataji: It goes on, you see. QM: But on… Now it boils down to how you become more aware. Shri Mataji: Yes, of the living forces. QM: Yea, how you become more aware., Then you do have a choice because to me our society seems to [INAUDIBLE] ….What you have got at the moment is freedom from choice. I mean, how do we… Shri Mataji: First of all, you become aware of people who may appear to be very humble, but are sinister – you get very bad vibrations from them, from people who are giving you food not with love, but with jealousy and anger. You become quite aware of it. You just vomit out. And you get aware of your Spirit; you give up smoking, drinking, gambling so many things which are there just because you feel so bored of life. But you enjoy yourself so much. I: I think the caller was saying that perhaps we don’t… we feel we don’t have any choices. Is that what you’re saying? QM: No. I was just wondering how to become more aware. People seem to be… Mother Mataji said that people seem to be… Shri Mataji: The accent is more on get… wherever you find the vibrations, because the vibrations give you the joy. So you take to things which are vibratory, which are holy things, automatically. You do not get bored anymore because you feel your Spirit. So you give up so many things. You just take them because you are bored. I: Sorry, I couldn’t quite follow what the caller was saying. QM: Well… Shri Mataji: He’s saying that what are your choices then? Afterwards, what happens to you? QM: Yea. With these sort of negative influences from the… sort of force that you were talking about earlier… I: I see. Well the caller is saying that where we, we can make choices but there are forces, there are negative influences that are preventing us from making… Shri Mataji: … You stand on truth; you are not bothered. I: Are there negative forces that are preventing us from making our choices? Shri Mataji: Of course, there are. They, they do all kinds of things; they even create accidents for you. They create so many problems for you. They are the ones who are troublemakers; they are naggers; they are like mosquitoes; they are like bugs and they are like serpents and scorpions. (Mother Laughs). QM: Are they in fact creating their own hell? Shri Mataji: What was that? I: Are they creating their own hell? Shri Mataji: Yes, they want to have that. What to do? They are used to it. They are used to filth. They’ll go to filth only. They want filth. They cannot even smell flowers. What to do with them? QM: Is this then what you think is hell, is it? I: Is that what hell is? Shri Mataji: Yes. Hell is the place where you enjoy all the filth. QM: “Well, thanks very much. I’ll try and come along to… Where is it? I: Macabean hall Shri Mataji: Thank you very much, thank you. May God bless you. QM: Thank you, bye. I: Maccabean Hall… (Announcement) Hello QM: Yes, hello. Mother, I would like to ask you a question. If I come to the thing tomorrow night, would you be able to cure an addiction without any effects of withdrawals of this addiction? I: Caller wants to know, “Are you able to heel and cure addiction? Addiction to whatever drug?” Is it a drug? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. QM: Anything? Shri Mataji: Yes it does. You see, all misidentifications fall off. Once you’re identified with your Spirit, they fall off. You have to use a little bit of will power sometimes. But for some people, they’ve told Me… A gentle man in Singapore, who got his realization – he’s about 78 years of age – and overnight he got rid of many of his addictions. He was surprised how it happened. QM: Right. Then you wouldn’t get any painful, sort of, side effects? Shri Mataji: No, not at all. On the contrary, it’s very blissful. QM: All right. I got it… I: Thank you very much… (Announcements) Hello, good evening. QM: I just want to ask Mother about a quotation from the Bible. I: Yes, what’s that? QM: It says, “But the comfort of the Holy Spirit that the father will send in My name would teach you all things.” I would like to ask Her about that. I: Could you just repeat the quotation again? QM: But the comforter, the Holy Spirit, [sounds like “whom”] the father will send in My name, will teach you all things. I: And that’s from where? QM: John chapter 14, verse 26. Shri Mataji: I think you should take your realization and then you will know the answer to it. Because, logically if it points out to one person, then you have to reach the conclusion, isn’t it? That’s a logical way of looking at things. But I am not going to say anything or claim anything. It is better you people find out yourself. I: Does that answer your question? QM: Is the, is the comforter on the Earth at the present time? Has the Comforter incarnated? Mataji should be able to tell us this because She said that through these vibrations on Her hands, She … Shri Mataji: Yes, He is very much here and He’s talking to you now. Can you believe that? QM: Well, I feel something cool on my hand. Is that some indication of the… Shri Mataji: Yes, very much so. So that’s the proof of the thing. You’ve already started feeling it in your hands. (Mother Laughs) QM: Can I…? Shri Mataji: Ask the question, “Mother, are You the comforter?” QM: Mother, are you the comforter? Shri Mataji: Ask it thrice. QM: Mother, are you the comforter? Shri Mataji: Again. QM: Mother, are you the comforter? Shri Mataji: Now, what do you get? QM: Oh, I feel this kind of cool tingling passing all through my body. Shri Mataji: (Mother Laughs)… That’s the answer now. I: Okay, thanks for your call. Shri Mataji: Thank you. I: Hello. QL: Good Evening. I: Yes, good evening. QM: Now my question… Don’t you think we all have a choice like love or hate, fight or fear, good or evil, positive thinking or negative thinking, a backbone or a wishbone, and believe that we are… I believe that we are all made in God’s image and it is upto us, and nobody else, whether we answer these things correctly? Therefore, Self-realization that is love, good, positive thinking, backbone people with no fear, have acquired lives, they’re able to absorb or discriminate without outside intervention or help and we are able to give, not take and feel ourself. Over to you. Shri Mataji: (Mother laughs) I wish you could do that; but without Self-realization you cannot do it. QL: I am doing it. Shri Mataji: You, you have to give. That doesn’t mean it’s a rational thing. Or giving is just flowing, it’s emitting; that should happen. I: I think the caller is saying that we can all make a decision to be strong and to be positive. Shri Mataji: That’s only mental activity. That’s only a make believe. Is not the actual, actual thing. You can believe that you are very strong and you may be dominating. You believe you should not dominate, you should be humble and you could be sly. Unless and until you get your realization, you will not know whether you have reached the absolute value of those things or not. QL: [UNCLEAR]… I: Oh dear… We always have one of those. Shri Mataji: Always, they bring in someone. Now, what about these great philosophers? What have they done? Have they given you realization? Why should you talk about them? Like when Christ came, they talked about somebody who died long time back. Why talk about them? Now I am facing you. Why do you want to talk about people who are dead? We always want to build temples for the people who are dead. Now the present is, I’m with you. Why do you want to talk about these people and bring a controversy? Don’t you want to gain something yourself? All right? I: Mother, thank you for joining us tonight. I found it fascinating, really. (Announcement)… Mataji will be speaking at the Maccabean Hall. Shri Mataji: Also Melbourne, we are having a programme. I: Yes, but… Shri Mataji: That we can announce later. I: I don’t know whether we’ve got any listeners from Melbourne. But, there would be a programme in Melbourne also. But in Sydney, this Wednesday and Friday night at 7.30 at the Maccabean hall, 146, Darling Hurst Road, Darling Hurst. Thank you. Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. I: Thank you for joining us. [1] Since the talk is a conversation, the speakers are identified as QL – question from a Lady, I – Interviewer, QM – question from a Man, SM – Shri Mataji

4/2/1981

http://amruta.org/?p=6774

Aim of Seeking

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Public Program Aim of Seeking It is really gratifying to come to Melbourne. I came here because somebody who had come to Sydney said, “Mother, You must come to Melbourne. We need You.” When I came here for some other purpose, I felt the vibrations of Melbourne are really very good and here it is quite possible that there may be many seekers. It is really gratifying, as I said, to be here among you. It’s a fact that the time has come for thousands and thousands and thousands and millions of people who are born as seekers on this earth to get their realization. They have to know their meaning. They have to know why the nature has made human beings out of amoeba. What is the purpose of their life? Unless and until you find the purpose of your life you are not going to be happy, you are not going to be satisfied. You may try anything else. You may go on ego trips, or other trips like seeking money. You may try other ways like taking drugs, alcoholism, levitation, all kinds of things. But these things have not given anyone satisfaction. You have to find out that absolute without which we are in confusion. That absolute is within you. That’s why Sahaja Yoga is a spontaneous thing, a living thing. “Saha” means with, “ja” means born. It is born with you, as in a seed. All the maps of the seed that is going to manifest are built-in. In the same way, your spirit and your kundalini are already within you and they are just waiting for a chance to give you your Self-realization. Before telling you about the benefits of Self-realization, I have to tell you that you must keep your minds open as you would for any science lecture or any other lecture. There’s no jugglery, there is no shopping, guru shopping in Sahaja Yoga. It is a happening, it’s an actualization, it is within you. It’s a living force, like a flower becomes a fruit or an egg becomes a chick, you get your realization and you become a different personality. A new dimension of awareness grows in you and this new dimension of awareness is an actualization, it’s not just a mere word or any kind of brainwashing. It is an actualization which happens within, by which you start feeling the collective consciousness. You are a part and parcel of the whole, as many others have said . We also believe that we are part and parcel of the whole but so far in our awareness, in our central nervous system, we have not felt that. So this should actually happen to you. For this to happen, we have to accept whatever is nourishing for our growth after realization. Gradually you start accepting and I’ll tell you why it happens. But the thing is, in Sydney I found that people are extremely honest about their seeking and they really appreciated My honesty. This is a process which was built-in within us long ago. Here that you see different chakras. These centres are placed within human beings and they exist as subtle centres in the spinal cord and in the brain. These are called in Sanskrit language as chakras. These centres exist within us as milestones of our evolution. For example, the lowest chakra, called as the Mooladhara chakra : is the center – has existed since we were carbon atoms, we were matter. At that time we were innocent, for matter is innocent. So the first thing that was created within us was innocence. This whole universe was created after the creation of innocence . This chakra is placed below the kundalini which is the pure power of desire. Whatever is pure, we call holy. Is the holy power of desire, which remains dormant. This power is the desire to be one with the Spirit. Without knowing the Spirit, you cannot know God. You have to be input to the mains, you are not yet connected to the mains. For example, if this instrument [microphone] that we have made, is not put to the mains it has no meaning. So that has to happen. It’s like the primule in the seed, a germinating power in the seed; that you have got this power, residual power sleeping, waiting for somebody who is authorized by the Divine and not by any organization or certificate that human beings give you, somebody who himself is a realized soul, an enlightened person who knows what this power is. It waits for such a person to come and then it awakens itself and you get your Self-realization. It has to be spontaneous; everything vital in life has to be spontaneous. Our breathing is so spontaneous that we take it for granted till it stops, or till we feel that we cannot breathe. If you have to go and read books or put in some effort to breathe, then how many of us could even exist for more than five minutes? It is so vital, it is the culmination of our evolution and as the whole creation was created by the Divine and you are also created by the Divine, this great happening is to be done by the Divine. Now some people have asked Me “Can it not happen by itself to us?” We do not know that at every stage of our evolution some aspect of God had to incarnate or some guidance had to come from the Divine to give us a higher awareness. But especially at this time it is very important that somebody has to do it because you have reached a stage where you have to know it in words, and the Divine has to speak. I think people are ego-orientated, they ask, “Why You, Mother?”, it’s a very common question. “You better be there. I would be very happy if you could do it because I am a happily married woman, I don’t need anything from anyone, I have to just give. But if you can do My work, I will be very happy to retire. It’s very easy to say, “Why You?” I mean, you should ask God why He gave Me these powers. But they are there, but you need not feel so hurt about it . After all you have so many powers which I don’t have. For example, I don’t know how to drive, really I don’t know. I don’t know many things, I don’t even know how to open ordinary cans. But if I know how to open the kundalini, why should it hurt your ego? And why should you feel bad because I have to really work day in and day out to do this work ? For you it’s something just a free gift, there is no shopping to be done, you can’t pay for it, it is beyond your control. To conceive God, you have to see, as reality is. You have to give up your misconceptions. Supposing I had conceived this hall before seeing it, I would have had funny ideas, but I really know what it is like after seeing it only. In the same way people have written books, thousands or even millions of books they have written, so what to do? They have written books, but have they given you Self-realization? Have they given you that experience of the absolute by which you know yourself, you know your centers and the center of others and you start manifesting your own powers? You become the master of your powers. This is what should be the criteria of your seeking. Why should you be identified with anything else but yourself? Because I get people belonging to this cult, or this group, or this religion. But you must understand that you are not here to plead for any one of them. I mean you pay them to be their pleader or to be their lawyers or solicitors, whatever you may call it. But you should really try honestly to seek the truth and ask for this truth. Then only you will get the truth. So first thing you should understand that you cannot purchase Divine. You cannot pay for it, that is an insult. And secondly you cannot put in any effort for that. When you have to sprout a seed what do you do? You put it in Mother Earth, and she sprouts by itself spontaneously. It has got that force in it, only have to put it in Mother Earth. And Mother Earth by her warmth germinates the seed. Do you get angry with Mother Earth for that If she has to do it, she has to do it. Whatever the sun has to do, has to do, and whatever you have to do, you can do and whatever the animals have to do, they do. If we understand that we have not yet achieved what we wanted to, then you will realize that there is a very little gap. undalini awakening takes split of a second, but it may take more time to rise in some people because of blockages in a center or maybe some imbalances within us. In short I will try to tell you what is the kundalini and what is this picture about. I hope you have got some books with you so that you can see for yourself. Those who haven’t got a book can also get one from them. It will be easier to understand. At the back of the book you will find a nice chart. Firstly you have to be honest about your seeking, absolutely honest about it, then everything will work out. Now here you see this chart is the first center called as the Mooladhara Chakra, as I said, and the sacrum. The word sacrum means sacred. The sacrum is the bone in which the Kundalini is coiled, there. This blue- colo,r balloon-like structure comes down from the top up to the first chakra. Now this represents a subtle force within us, which is the power of desire. It manifests outside the left sympathetic nervous system. This is the emotional side of a human being, but it is not only emotional. This is the one that accumulates conditionings within itself when we say, “Don’t do that, don’t do that, don’t do that,” thus creating a balloon-like structure called superego, which in Sanskrit is called mana. So this is the power of mana, of mana shakti. The English language is a little confused. When you say “mental cases” you do not mean the mental cases that has something to do with the mind which thinks. But when you say mental cases, you mean to say that they are the people who suffer from emotional problems. It’s a little confusing thing, but in psychology it is very nicely described by Jung, who was a realized soul . The superego and the id part is this power by which we get all our conditionings within us and pass it to our past. Beyond this area on the left-hand side lies, beyond the subconscious, the collective subconscious. All that is dead since creation lies this side on the left-hand side. This as I told you,is the left sympathetic nervous system. Now in the medical science there is no difference between the left and right. But you will find out that they have two entirely different functions. The left sympathetic nervous caters to our emotional side, which can be proved in Sahaja Yoga practice. On the right-hand side there is another power, which is the power of action. When we desire, the desire has to be put into action. And this power of desire is called the prana shakti or the power of action, the kriya shakti some people call it, and it looks after our intellectual side, our intelligence, the mind with which we think about the mental side and our physical side, through which we go into action. This activity creates another balloon , you can see it there, a yellow color balloon which we call as ego. E G O, ego. And this two powers meet at a point. When a child is about twelve years of age, he is completely calcified here.. But in childhood, at the age of, say, one year or one and a half year, you start feeling the calcification of this soft bone called as fontanel bone. In the center is the third power called the power of evolution, the power of sustenance, the power of religion, which is innate within us. Now “religo” means a capacity, or you can say a quality. Gold is untarnishable; that is the quality of gold. Carbon has four valences; that’s the quality of carbon. In the same way, human beings have also got ten sustenances and these ten sustenances are the dharma or the religion of a human being. It has nothing to do with outside religions, what you believe in or what you have fallen into or what you are born into, but there are ten sustenances within us, which are in this area call as, we call it Void but it’s not the same void as in Zen . In Sahaja Yoga the Void is the visceral cavity. In this area we develop our sustenance. We can only evolve by developing our sustenance. For example, first a fish came out of the water and developed a sustenance by which it started crawling, and became a reptile. First only one fish came, and then shoals and shoals of fishes started coming out of the water. So evolution went on like this till we became human beings. In this process, as you know very well, there are left-sided and right-sided animals – the right-sided are the more ambitious, the dominating type, the left-sided are the sly. There are many nocturnal animals that are left-sided, they are frightened and live on the left : those who are aggressive are on the right-hand side. They were discarded, even some vegetables and what you call plants were discarded in the process of evolution. They were thrown on the right or the left-hand side. And God created man in His own image. That means man has everything that God has. If He is the primordial being, He is the macrocosm, then you are the microcosm, you are a cell in His body, although you are not aware of that. There’s a difference between awareness and just consciousness. Awareness is an actualization, while just to be conscious means you believe something mentally, rationally you are conscious, “I know that. We think we are brothers and sisters.” Now the centres that are placed within. The first one, as I told you, is the Mooladhara Chakra. You will be happy to know that in the universe Australia is the Mooladhara Chakra. It’s a fact, you will know that on vibrations, if you ask the question you will know. Basically you are innocent people. You don’t know when you commit sins that this is sin, you just do it very innocently. You don’t do it knowingly, innocently you do it. And the second centre is the centre called Swadishthana Chakra. The first centre manifests your pelvic plexus. The right side, as I told you, manifests the right sympathetic nervous system. The centre one manifests your parasympathetic which is broken, which is not yet complete. Whatever you have achieved in your awareness as a human being is there, and there is a little gap that you just have to bridge to become united with that force. Now this second chakra is the chakra called Swadishthana Chakra. You need not worry about the names, but it’s the centre for action by which you think, think for the future. And this centre looks after many other visceras or you can say organs, within us. It looks after your liver. Our attention is looked after by this centre. Then it looks after your pancreas, your spleen, your kidneys and the uterus in women. The most important function of this centre is to manifest the aortic plexus in the gross and to convert the fat cells of the stomach to replace the fat cells of the brain. because, after all, The fat cells of the brain are to be replaced because you think, think, think, think and go mad with thinking. You think so much that as if two horns are coming out of your thinking. You may say “ Mother,the mind is very important”, but in fact the mind is a problem.” Don’t you know that this mind is limited? This rationality is limited. You have to go to unlimited. When I came to this hall, we had to leave the car outside. This mind can go up to a point and if you try to go beyond that, then you really go crazy. We don’t bring the cars inside, in the same way this mind cannot take you to the unlimited. It’s a limited thing, you have to go beyond the mind. This centre is doing its job of supplying the fat cells and when you think too much all other viscera, all other organs are not looked after,they are neglected. by which the person who thinks too much, who lives in the future, who plans too much, also then drinks in addition to that and in addition to that does other things like taking drugs and eating lots of greasy food and so on, so he really finishes that poor liver. And that liver is the organ that sorts out all the poisons in your body, all kinds of poison. The liver gets out of order, and you don’t feel it. Only the heat starts accumulating, you always feel nauseated and you feel so unhappy you don’t want to face the present, you want to run away. You feel terrible, you don’t know what to do with yourself. All that comes from a bad liver. Then not only your liver but your pancreas goes out of order and you develop a disease called diabetes. With that you also drink coffee and other things, which all add up. The amount of coffee that people consume, sometimes I can’t understand. And that coffee can really spoil the pancreas to such an extent that you can develop even more serious diseases of the pancreas than diabetes. Beyond the pancreas lies the spleen. The spleen is the real victim in modern times. The spleen is the speedometer within us, it regulates your speed. When you are eating your food, you turn on the news on the TV or something, suddenly horrible things happen. You get a shock. Emergencies built-in: the spleen is already busy producing RBCs, red blood corpuscles, for the digestion of the food, and suddenly it has another emergency and a third emergency. The way you have your breakfast, half a sandwich in your mouth, half outside while stepping into the car, telling your wife “ Do this, do that “and then rushing through the rat race, ending up yourself into a very crazy spleen. The spleen does not know how to cope with such telescopic behaviour, it goes so very crazy that it starts producing crazy cells, and these crazy cells ultimately create a very serious disease called blood cancer. The other day somebody asked Me a question, “Mother, is it that children get blood cancer?” I said, “If I tell you, you shouldn’t be angry with Me, but it happens when we are always getting at our children. Poor things, they are small children. We are trying to make them good citizens. So this crazy spleen becomes absolutely uncontrollable, it starts producing blood cells which become malignant. They are produced randomly, at any time, and the malignancy starts. One cell becomes very big and overbearing. We are also malignant people sometimes, we want to be important in society, dominating everybody, encroaching on other people. In this competition we want to have everything for ourselves, and by the time we are old, we find our hands and feet are shaking, we can’t walk properly or we develop diseases such as a heart attack or a stroke. This rat race is very competitive. Competition for what? Everybody should be able to grow in relation to others. For example, if only your nose starts growing like that, not in relation to your body or face, what is going to happen to the rest of you ? On your own, you start growing without any relationship or coordination with other people in society,or other parts of the world, then you become malignant. You lose all balance; you don’t know what you are doing. This is the tragedy that when this happens to us we are so ego-orientated that we are not aware of it till we reach a stage that suddenly a person goes what you call in American English “gaga”(crazy). You find people like this, they can’t talk, I have seen in Paris. Some people, not very old, younger to Me in age, got on the bus and they were talking loudly, all sorts of French words, and I asked,” What are they doing?” They said, “Mother, they are talking about the last war.” I said, “Why?” They said, “They just go on talking like this, they are crazy”. This happens because you are having such a running jump towards the hell that the progress, so-called will make our society into very funny, jittery people with twitching heads, necks and everything, while their children are so aggressive that it is impossible to understand why they’re behaving like this. We have to understand that we are part and parcel of the whole. And anything that is done without relationships with others can create tremendous problems for the whole world. already happening. and it is creating The second centre is very important for modern people, as I told you, because when you start thinking too much also, what you do, you use your right side, and the left side gets frozen. By improving all your thinking processes, thinking too much of the future and planning, and of course most of the plans go waste. We waste such a lot of energy in thinking, only to find that if we had not thought so much, we would not have been so frustrated. The planning also to such an extent doesn’t help in any way. Supposing I have to come to this hall and I do not know the way. What use is planning ? I have just to ask somebody which way to go and follow directions. Supposing a seed has to grow into a root, does it do any planning beforehand? It does not. What it does is that it faces. It’s a little cell but it is so wise. It knows that there is some obstruction, that it is no use fighting with this rock so it goes round it, finds all the soft places it can pierce through and gets itself embedded sensibly and wisely ; it even uses that rock, uses that rock to strengthen the tree. So when you try to dominate others, I mean the sophisticated, the more sophisticated you get , the more sophisticated this ego gets and you are very pleased with that sophistication. You say “Sorry”, “yes”, and so on, but inside a big Mr. Ego is developing like a balloon. It presses down on your superego, which is squashed. There is no longer a gap between the two, there is no more room for the superego and the ego presses down on it till you become aware of how colossal your ego has become. And then such a person looks for ways to escape, it he takes to alcohol which gives rise to superego or it takes to drugs and all kinds of escapism in life to run away from his own ego because he can’t bear it. Now the wobbling starts, the ego and superego start wobbling, and that’s how you get people who are absolutely confused. Moreover, to add up to the whole problem, the modern times are the ones that in this confusion Last Judgment has already started. Through your Kundalini awakening only you will judge yourself and correct yourself and you will enter into the Kingdom of God. These confusions actually have led human beingsinto such frantic, precarious ages that Sahaja Yoga had to come on this earth to solve the problems once for all. After getting realization it’s so remarkable when you find your absolute through Kundalini awakening and see people they give up so many things overnight. For instance an old man in Singapore who is very rich and a very well-known personality got his realization and he told Me that overnight he gave up gambling, drinking and racing. These are also types of escapism, ways of escaping from our lives because we are so bored with ourselves. Imagine a person is imprisoned. If he is imprisoned in a nice place, he should not feel upset, after all that is a very good way to face yourself and that’s the most beautiful thing we can do. But because we are so frightened of ourselves that we don’t want to be left alone, we think we are lonely. We want to run away from ourselves. We want to have somebody else, it’s better to have somebody else, and even if somebody else comes in, we do not want to face him squarely, but we want to have something in between, like a bottle of beer or something. After realization you time start enjoying each other for the first time. You time start feeling the vibrations of another person and you really enjoy the beauty of that person through this cool breeze that is coming from his being . And this should happen to all of you. You all should achieve it, it’s very important because you are out and out seekers. But first you must have self-estimation. You must know that you are not here to play games with yourself. All kinds of games are available, provided by industries since the Industrial Revolution, by all modern thinkers and books, and to add to all that, gurus have come from India to supply this market demand. So the picture is complete. This should not upset you, because behind all the fake and falsehood there has to be reality. Among thousands of artificial flowers, you must know there has to be one real rose. And in the same way behind all this falsehood and confusion there is reality which is so beautiful within yourself and which you have to achieve through Kundalini awakening. In short now I will tell you about the other centres. If you go through this book, you will know about the names and things, but in short I can tell you. The third center is the centre of our seeking, is the center by which w are seeking, is the navel centre, is by which amoeba, an amoeba felt hungry, he was seeking food. In We went on seeking only food until the stage of, say, mammoth and all these big animals. They were such unwieldy big things that they could not maintain themselves. So then the intelligent animals came in. In that also some of them were very horrid ones like foxes. Then very powerful animals came up who had more physical power and a smaller body. Like that we developed with this seeking up to a point when we became really human beings and when we became human beings we started seeking things like possessions or else like power in politics, economics, social work, social things and lastly the Spirit. The Spirit is the solution for all seeking. Without the light you cannot see anything in this world. I cannot see you without any light in here. To me, in darkness you are nothing but darkness. I can’t see. I cannot relate one to another, I do not know who are sitting here and listening to me. Once there is light you can see everything clearly, and that’s what it is happens. When you get your enlightenment you become the master of yourself. This is the end of seeking . In this enlightened seeking only, around the seeking are, our sustenances are developed gradually, and ultimately we become human beings. And for human beings there are ten sustenances described in the Ten Commandments. When I talked about Ten Commandments, one gentleman got very angry and said, “You are a Christian, you are a Christian, you are a Christian!” But the Ten Commandments were written by Jews, they were not written … Moses was not a Christian, he was a Jew and this Jew got angry with me because I was a Christian. Moses, Abraham, Confucius, Socrates, Mohammed, Nanak, Janak, Lao Tse, these are all primordial masters, the principle of primordial masters, the Adi Gurus, who incarnated on this earth to teach us how to keep our sustenance. They talked against all alcohol and strong drinks. Christ did not talk about it, but that does not mean that when He converted water into wine, He fermented the wine. You cannot ferment wine in a minute, you understand that. Wine is a very common word, even today you’ll find that wine means grapes, the grapevine is called a wine, even grape juice is called wine. Nowadays, to differentiate we have started to call it grape juice. But it is very, very [loose, but your will be very surprised it is a very confusing?]. People must have started doing that about fifty years back in India, or maybe abroad, I don’t know. Even today many people call a wine “raksasa”, even in Indian language it is called wine. Any grape juice is called wine. So there are many other things which these people told us that you should not do, to keep yourself in the centre. Now I divide our mistakes into two categories. The first mistake we have is not to believe that God Almighty is going to look after our well-being. Krishna has said very clearly that “Yoga kshema vahamyahamini ” Meaning “After yoga, after union with God, I will look after your well being.” That means you should get connected. Supposing I am not an Australian citizen why should the Australian government look after me? In the same way if you are not members of God’s community or if you are not entered the Kingdom of God or if you are not a citizen of His Kingdom, it is not His responsibility to look after your well being. I mean of course He has created you, so He looks after. But otherwise it’s not certain that He’ll look after you. People demand so much from God, they think they are already connected. They treat Him as if you can find Him anywhere under a stone. They go on demanding. “Please look after my son, please do this,” praying morning till evening, just pestering. When you are not connected with God, if you go on doing like this to any human being , you’ll get arrested. We live in a fantasy world, “Oh, I have been praying, and God has given me this, and I have been doing this.” But do we deserve it? Are we the Spirit? Have we tried to be the Spirit? We have done all kinds of things but we have yet to become the Spirit. When you are the Spirit then you are really blessed, not only by His powers but you become the master of your being and you start manifesting your own powers. This seeking and the surrounding dharma which is looked after by the primordial masters is in this centre here and above that is the centre of the Mother of the Universe, who gives us security. This one when spoiled, the sense of security spoiled, especially among women, when they feel that their husbands are negligent or they are flirting with other women and so on, then this centre goes out of order. When this centre goes out of order, they develop diseases like breast cancer. Breast cancer is more common in societies where they have divorces. I have given a speech on this which you should get from Sydney and you will know all about it. Now the right side Heart, which you see here, is the centre of the father and the left one is the centre of the mother. The right side Heart centre catches when you have not done your duty as a father, or if your father died very early and you were shocked it can also happen. Anorexia and all these diseases can also be caused by this kind of happening, or also asthma. Asthma is invariably caused by this centre going out of order. The left side is the centre of the Mother. We chose our father and mother before our birth, we chose them. If we were foolish enough to choose horrible parents we have to pay for that mistake. It is better to pay it in one lifetime so that next time you won’t have them again. But we are not to judge them. If they are not seekers, it’s very difficult to live with them, I know. It’s very difficult to live with parents who are morning till evening counting every penny, counting every tin which is emptied, every tube that is emptied. They store everything, they are so materialistic and you just can’t bear such people, I can quite understand. Even your wife or husband may be extremely materialistic and you will be fed up. They write down everything, count everything. Today a lady who interviewed Me asked Me, “Mother, how many people have You given realization and how many people You have cured.” I said, “You’d better ask the sun first of all how many leaves it has made green, then talk to Me.” I never write any accounts, let alone of human beings, not even of money. I never write, I have no time and I have no understanding as how to write accounts. Next life maybe I will be an accountant for you. So this happens to us when we become against our parents. I don’t say that you should carry on with mad people, it’s no use asking the bull to come and hit you, is correct. But you need not judge them. You can leave them, stay away and do not have them in your life, it’s all right. But if you are taking interest in them as well as fighting with them morning till evening, then you catch on this Heart chakra. I would say that in this respect Indians are sensible people. They are very sensible , they keep their parents all right. And the parents are also very sensible people. They love their children; they give them everything that they have, and the children start really loving their parents. They look after them until they die. The result of that is of course very bad, because here in all the western countries the parents are still in a bridal mood, they are brides and bridegrooms, they never become old enough to be parents. Even an eighty- year-old man you’ll find marrying an eighteen-year-old girl. This is going on all the time. God knows what sort of intelligence is that. But with all that happening, poor children do not know which parents to choose. And the Last Judgment has started. Now, what to do? Putplace yourself in their place and think. What would you do if you know such crazy parents that today they are together, tomorrow they are divorced? On the streets they will be kissing, hugging each other, doing all kinds of nonsensical things. Very embarrassing too.Then if you ask them, “Where are you going?,” they will say they are on their way to the divorce case! These kinds of absurdities are taking place and because of that children don’t want to get birth in all these places: England, Germany, Switzerland, everywhere, the birth rate is low. In Germany especially, West Germany and East Germany of all the things people are given so much money in family allowances that a woman if she produces three children she earns more money than their prime minister. But still women don’t want to produce. They want to be free and independent; they don’t want to be mothers. As a result poor India has to accommodate for all the children born today and we are blamed for overpopulation. What can we do? We have to bear the load. It is also your responsibility .to see If you do not have children at least those who are producing children have some compassion for them and have some understanding. Do not blame them. Everybody asks Me, “What about Your problem of population?” I tell them, “Now, who is responsible for our population? Because in that country, even if they have fourteen children, they love every one of them. They are not so ego-orientated that their hearts are not closed, they are not so unemotional, anybody who has not got a child will go to all the holy places and ask for blessings that they can get children. To get a child is such a blessing in India and child is such an important thing. But the mistake they are committing is just the other than yours. The mistake in those developing countries is that they do not believe that God Almighty is the One who is going to look after your well being. They don’t believe in the power of their Father. By not believing in their Father’s capacity to look after them, they do the crime or a sin against the Father.. So there is bribery, corruption, all sorts of things going on, cutting corners, money and all those things. Still in India I wouldn’t say that ordinary people are dishonest. Maybe our bureaucrats, politicians and business people are. But ordinary people are very honest in India. On the other side, if an Indian comes to your house, be careful, he may run away with anything that you have in the house ! But if an American comes to your house, keep an eye on your wife, he may run away with your wife or with your daughter. Or if an Englishman comes, he’ll do it in a subtler way because he’s a scholar. So he reads some poetry to your wife and during the night you’ll find she is missing. This is fundamental. The wife who runs away like this creates a fundamental problem for the household. Just imagine, the children and the husband, kitchen and all the places are sleeping peacefully and then early in the morning they find that the mainstay of their home is missing and the whole family circle is collapsed. What will happen to the children? Nobody thinks. Nobody understands.Or they think they are being in love so they must go? Men do the same. I mean there is no difference between men and women. But this is the sin against the Mother that the Women have to be both respectable and respected. The housewife’s position is within us here on the left-hand side Nabhi, and if a housewife, the deity that is not just a woman but also a housewife, is not present in our house, not that the woman but the housewife, then our spleen goes out of order. We get, Children go crazy. Why is there indiscipline ? Somebody asked Me today, “What happens to people likeman who tried to kill Reagan?” I said, “Ask his mother.” She must be getting at the child morning till evening, and that’s why he’s misbehaving, or else is a reaction of what has happened to him. These complications originate in the family, in the nest that is your home. You have to live in that nest as a father and a mother looking after your children. Children are the most important things in the whole world for human beings. Let politics go to hell, and let the economy take its own course, but children are to be looked after. That’s your primary duty. But in India we go to the other end: when we start looking after our children we don’t mind selling even our country in the name of our children. But we live with two extremes, I feel that we sin against the Mother and against the Father. When we Australians sin against the Mother, let us face what happens to us. We get emotionally absolutely blackmailed, by ourselves. We torture ourselves, we live with artificial concepts. If a wife wants to run away with another man we will even go so far as to get a honeymoon ticket for her because we are very good, considerate husbands. Same thing with the wife, if she finds that the husband is interested in another woman, she should not be jealous. In Sahaja Yoga this is not very much appreciated. The husband has to behave like a husband. He should make his wife run the house. And the woman has to be a woman. She must see to it that the children are in no danger. We have no business to hurt anyone like this and we do not know how much we hurt our wives and husbands; they can even get cancer because of what we have done.We cause all kinds of horrible diseases and mental torture; we make them mad by our mad, capricious, very shallow understanding of our emotions. A man starts going to another woman, then he goes to yet another woman, then to ten women; then ten men go to ten women and end up in a lunatic asylum or in the orphanage. In England we had a neighbour who had a huge house. He was an old man, and when he died they did not discover his body for one month. Because there was no family feeling, nothing, even a rat didn’t enter that house. Can you imagine! This is what has happened in thinking: “I am original, I am individualistic, I am exclusive.” If you are really individualistic, if individually you are really mature, then you are perfectly aware of the importance of unity . You understand that you are the support of the whole because you are so mature. No wonder our children are not maturing,that they are behaving in such a manner. We are responsible. In India we don’t have such ideas about compatibility and all that nonsense, so we are quite comfortable and we are producing children quite all right. We have no problems. Why do you run after these capricious, shallow ideas? You will be held responsible for all these horrible diseases that men and women have got and for the children who are going to suffer. If you want charity, you’d better start it at home. Better be charitable to your own wife and to your own husband. Be charitable to your children. Don’t give in to the concept of falling in love, you’ll fall really and make others fall too. It’s a concept, just a concept. I think some of these horrible people must have given you this concept. If you really fall in love how do you get up and marry another person? You fall, marry another person, then again you are ready to marry another person. You are holding the hand of a person who is supposed to be your beloved and looking at someone else. This concept is absolutely wrong. You have to grow in love. Just as your own child is, in the same way, your companion. They are two parts of one chariot, one is the left and other is the right. They are not unequal, they are equal, but they are not similar, they have their own role. And women have to play their role courageously, to be the mother. As I always say, “Look at Me, I am a mother and in no way, in any way, I cannot think of anything better to be than this.” Now if I start thinking, “Oh God, I am a mother all right, but I must know how to drive,” then I’m finished. “I must know how to drive a bus, I must know how to drive a train.” What is the need? I saw one photographer who came to see Me. He was supposed to take My photograph and all hands were covered with blisters. I said, “Let Me first cure your blisters. How you are going to take My photograph? What have you been doing with your photography?” He said, “No, this, I went to a forest and I cut down some trees.” I said, “For what? You are a photographer, your hands are soft and deft. Why do you want to kill the deftness of your fingers?” He said, “No, we must do other things too.” I said, “Why must you? The nose doesn’t do the work of the eyes and the eyes do not do the work of the ears. Why must you do, your hands are all ruined ! “ And this is what it is. To us We feel that men are great so we start wanting to do the same work as men. Men think, “Why should women be like this?” You are companions, you are eternal companions. You are two beautiful wheels of a chariot. This has to grow and to mature within you. And when this centre is out, you get the problems of this centre: by which asthma, tuberculosis and breast troubles. Men get asthma, very serious asthma and other problems of the lungs and ultimately lung cancer can also develop. When you work too hard with the right-hand side, you are ego orientated, is that the ego develops too much. Then your left side is neglected, you become unemotional. In time, your heart gives a signal, you get a heart attack. When you do too much sometimes you may escape the heart attack, but you may get a brain paralysis. We are bent upon destroying ourselves. The destruction is going to come from within, not from without. Some people try to shock you by predicting that such and such will happen, that the sun is doing this and …:This is nothing. It’s all within you the destruction has started. You are facing it because you cannot accept it. You have to accept that this is a challenge, “I am not going to allow myself to be destroyed by foolish and stupid ideas going around.” And then you will be surprised by your own glory and self-esteem. After realization you will be enriched, but without realization, I don’t know, it becomes just a lecture and yet another, just a brainwash. Have this beautiful experience of Self-realization and you will find the beauty within yourself. I have seen people change overnight. Overnight it happens and I hope that it will happen to you tonight. Today I have talked to you about this centre and later on I will be talking to you about two other centres which are here and here. And the realization that takes place out of the limbic area, in the fontanel membrane, which is called the Brahmarandra in Sanskrit language. Thank you very much. May God bless you. If you have any questions you please ask Me. But questions should be something which are helpful, something which are not some sort of quarrel. I am not here to quarrel with you. If you don’t want your realization I am not going to force you. Please do not plead for any other organization or any other guru, because I am not interested. I am only interested in you. I see that sparkle in you, that’s why I am only interested in you, I’m not bothered about others. So you do not try to bring other ideas that “This guru has said this,” or “This one has said that and this is in the book.” The proof of the pudding is that you haven’t got your realization. If you have got it, then you can go out. If you are sure you have got it, I don’t want to force it on you. There’s no quarrel about anything. There’s no election on, nothing. You cannot give Me anything. There’s no shopping. It’s a temple; you have come for a blessing. All right? Now you can ask the questions, all right. Thank you very much. Dr. Warren: Any questions? What commonly happens at times like this when Mataji has been speaking, because of these vibrations which She is emitting, you enter the silence, you become thoughtless. You find that all the rational things that you want to ask, which really only come from our ego, just quietly sit down. The noisy radio gets switched off. And this in fact is what happens at the time of realization. You enter the silence. Shri Mataji: You must realize there’s nothing to be frightened about. The kundalini crosses this point, (Shri Mataji places Her finger on Her forehead) and you feel thoughtlessly aware. This is the first step. You are aware, but you are thoughtless. Dr.Warren (repeating question from the floor): Most people find it too time-consuming in this modern life to devote enough time to their Self-realization. What does Her Holiness suggest? Shri Mataji: Firstly, are you realized or not? Have you got your realization ? You have got it. Now, if you have got your realization, actually you are in meditation, you are in meditation. Now for doing the meditation as they say, although there’s nothing like doing but cleansing is needed because you have to be on the watch in the beginning – how the vibrations are coming, if there is a proper flow or not, what chakras you are catching on. Moreover your life pattern also changes, because you do not enjoy the things that do not give you the real joy of the Spirit. And the greatest joy of the Spirit is that you give light to others. If you do not give light to others, you will never be satisfied. You may feel better because you are realized, but the completion of that or the development of your being doesn’t take place, unless and until you come into collective places. The best thing will be wherever you are, you start a little group and meet there every weekend or some other time, and meditate. That would be a very good idea; then you start feeling the sweetness and the beauty of another person. You start seeing it clearly and enjoying it. You don’t spend so much time on other things when you take to it and you enjoy it; you also grow. One lady who got her realization told Me that she had become very different, she didn’t remember the names of all the things that she had and the quality of this and that. She was a sales girl or something like that, she had her own business and she used to sell things. I said, “What has happened?” “I do not remember all that and I am not that alert, but I am very happy and joyous and things are selling better: I am making a very big profit.” It’s a fact, it has happened to so many of them. That’s the blessing of God. I am not telling you lies, you have to see for yourself how these blessings work out. And then you will just count your blessings one by one. Dr. Warren: The meditation practice is very simple. We’ll tell you about it later. Very simple. The point is, as Mataji says, is to be in meditation – all the time. And that’s what we have to develop. Shri Mataji: Is there any other question? Dr. Warren: Any other questions ? Then Mataji can now give you all the experience. I suggest you slip your shoes off, just to get your feet first onto the floor and hold your hands out, resting them comfortably on your lap. But most of all, be in a receptive frame of mind in the sense that…. Shri Mataji: They are, they are very much so. Warren: Just ask Mother for it. Just ask Mother for your realization. It’s a spontaneous thing so with humility, just ask Mother for it, nothing else. She is here as a Mother to give you the gift. Shri Mataji: You just put your both the hands towards Me just like this and you will be asking for it just like that. Now close your eyes. You have to close your eyes because when the Kundalini rises above agnya dilatation of the pupils so you close your eyes, it’s better. (to Warren) Can you put off that light ? Dr.Warren (to yogi) Can you turn the light around ? But you can just turn it off. Shri Mataji: This here. That’s better. Just put both the hands towards Me and close your eyes. (Mother works on seeker) I don’t think he’s got it. (To seeker) Did you attend a programme before ? Yogini: What’s the matter ? Shri Mataji: He has a little liver. (To seeker) Put your left hand on the liver. You’ve got it. Are you feeling the cool breeze now? Or are you feeling the hot breeze ? If it is hot, then put your left hand towards Me like this and right hand on your liver. The liver is here. Dr.Warren: Left hand on the liver. Shri Mataji: I’m sorry, left hand on the liver. Right hand towards Me and left hand on the liver. iver is where he is showing you. and should be like this, towards Me, like this. A little lower, it is under the rib. You can move the hand and see. Maybe you’ll find it. dr.Warren (to Shri Mataji): Left heart and right Swadishthan. A little right nabhi. Shri Mataji: I would request you not to disturb people in meditation. If you want to go, you should have gone earlier. This is another kind of aggression, you see. I mean, nobody was torturing these women, but this is just to disturb the whole people here. There’s no need to leave the hall during the meditation, so you have to leave earlier. Be considerate isn’t it. (to seeker) Now you can put your left hand towards Me and right hand on the heart. No, it’s the other way round. Left hand towards Me and right hand on the heart. Now close your eyes please. You can ask the question in your heart: “Mother, am I the Spirit.” Ask this question in your heart. Go on asking this question. Now say “Mother, please give me my self-realization. Please give me my self-realization” you have to ask.”I am a seeker, Mother. Please give me my self-realization.” (Shri Mataji blows into the microphone) Dr.Warren: It’s good. A little bit of left heart still. Shri Mataji: You must say that”If I have done any mistakes in my seeking or anything else that I have done, please forgive me.” You have to ask for forgiveness from God. “Please forgive me, because you are the ocean of love, compassion and forgiveness. So, oh Lord, please forgive me if I have made any mistakes.” Now, while you are saying this do not pick up any guilt within you, because that’s very common. Just to say that I do not develop any guilt because once you say “Please forgive me”, you are forgiven.So you should not have any guilt saying that “I have done this wrong, that wrong”. Say it right, very humbly you must say that “If I have done any mistakes or if I have tried to destroy myself, oh Lord, please forgive me.” Now, have no guilt. Actually ,you have to say “I am not guilty”. You have to say it at least thrice (= three times), clearly, that “I am not guilty”, because Christ has crucified himself for your sins and for your karmas, about which I will tell you tomorrow. So you just say “I am not guilty”. Say it thrice, it will really help you very much.You are unnecessarily analyzing yourself, criticizing yourself and calling yourself guilty. If you are really shaking please open your eyes. You should not shake. If you are shaking that means there is a problem. Now put both hands towards Me. Start feeling the cool breeze ? That’s it then. It’s a very subtle thing, very subtle. Our attention is on the gross and the feeling of the cool breeze that is the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost you have to feel it in your hands. (Shri Mataji blows into the microphone again and again) (to seeker) Again say “I am not guilty”. Are you getting the cool breeze now, in the hands ? Try to concentrate, closing your eyes, concentrating on your fingers. See if there is any cool breeze coming in. If not, you forgive others. First of all , you forgive others, go on forgiving and then say “Mother, give me my realization”. You must forgive, you must forgive others, that’s very important. By not forgiving you are really harming yourself and destroying yourself. Nothing is happening to the person you are not forgiving. So just say “I forgive, I forgive, I forgive.” Now ask for your realization. “Mother, please give me my self-realization.” Alright. It’s good. Dr.Warren: Very cool. Shri Mataji: Just enjoy yourself. Enjoy. Enjoy yourself. Keep your eyes shut. Come here. Do not think, please do not think. Relax and enjoy. Put your hands on your legs and enjoy, on your lap you can put your hands. Alright ? Dr. Warren: Quite good. Good balance. Shri Mataji: All of you who are feeling the cool breeze raise your hands. Both the hands. Please raise them higher. Both the hands, those who are feeling the cool breeze.Great ! what a response ! Those who are not feeling the cool breeze can take help from the Sahaja yogis who are here. Please put your hands down. Thank you very much. We wanted to see how Melbourne will work out and I would like to come back here again on Monday evening. I’m going to Sydney and we’ll be back again on Monday evening, same time, same place, definitely, to tell you about the other two chakras. Those who have not got realization should talk to the other Sahaja yogis. Please come and stand here, all the Sahaja yogis. Talk to them and take help from them. They can come a little bit later. Come along. They look just like you, but they are collectively conscious and they know about Kundalini. These are the people who are here and you can talk to them, converse with them and ask them if you haven’t got the cool breeze. If you have got it, don’t think about it and tonight you work it out. Please, you come along and talk to these people and you will be able to understand Kundalini better. They are Australians, they know the problems of Australians and they have given realization in my absence. Only Warren and Terence,both of them, came from India and they gave them realization. So just talk to them, tell them your difficulties if you have any, give them your addresses and Monday I will be here so bring more friends, more relatives and more people and get them their realization. Thank you very much, all of you. Thank you. I hope to see you on Monday when I am going to tell you about two more centres, that is those of Shri Krishna and Christ. May God bless you. Go through the book and find out what is to be done. Dr. Warren: At the door is a large book. We’d really consider it a privilege if you’d just sign that book with your own name and address because this is really your birthday for those people who got it - your second birthday. There is a contact address here in Melbourne which we’ll give you for those people who want to actively develop it and find out more about it but for the time being, just settle in, read at the back of the book where it explains how to meditate - it’s very simple. But more than anything, establish your vibrations, establish your realization and come along on Monday night, Mataji will take you that extra step further but also these centres here, here and here will become more firmly established. Hope to see you then. For those that didn’t feel the cool breeze or who have any particular problem, just stay behind here and we can at least help you.

Public Program Aim of Seeking It is really gratifying to come to Melbourne. I came here because somebody who had come to Sydney said, “Mother, You must come to Melbourne. We need You.” When I came here for some other purpose, I felt the vibrations of Melbourne are really very good and here it is quite possible that there may be many seekers. It is really gratifying, as I said, to be here among you. It’s a fact that the time has come for thousands and thousands and thousands and millions of people who are born as seekers on this earth to get their realization. They have to know their meaning. They have to know why the nature has made human beings out of amoeba. What is the purpose of their life? Unless and until you find the purpose of your life you are not going to be happy, you are not going to be satisfied. You may try anything else. You may go on ego trips, or other trips like seeking money. You may try other ways like taking drugs, alcoholism, levitation, all kinds of things. But these things have not given anyone satisfaction. You have to find out that absolute without which we are in confusion. That absolute is within you. That’s why Sahaja Yoga is a spontaneous thing, a living thing. “Saha” means with, “ja” means born. It is born with you, as in a seed. All the maps of the seed that is going to manifest are built-in. In the same way, your spirit and your kundalini are already within you and they are just waiting for a chance to give you your Self-realization. Before telling you about the benefits of Self-realization, I have to tell you that you must keep your minds open as you would for any science lecture or any other lecture. There’s no jugglery, there is no shopping, guru shopping in Sahaja Yoga. It is a happening, it’s an actualization, it is within you. It’s a living force, like a flower becomes a fruit or an egg becomes a chick, you get your realization and you become a different personality. A new dimension of awareness grows in you and this new dimension of awareness is an actualization, it’s not just a mere word or any kind of brainwashing. It is an actualization which happens within, by which you start feeling the collective consciousness. You are a part and parcel of the whole, as many others have said . We also believe that we are part and parcel of the whole but so far in our awareness, in our central nervous system, we have not felt that. So this should actually happen to you. For this to happen, we have to accept whatever is nourishing for our growth after realization. Gradually you start accepting and I’ll tell you why it happens. But the thing is, in Sydney I found that people are extremely honest about their seeking and they really appreciated My honesty. This is a process which was built-in within us long ago. Here that you see different chakras. These centres are placed within human beings and they exist as subtle centres in the spinal cord and in the brain. These are called in Sanskrit language as chakras. These centres exist within us as milestones of our evolution. For example, the lowest chakra, called as the Mooladhara chakra : is the center – has existed since we were carbon atoms, we were matter. At that time we were innocent, for matter is innocent. So the first thing that was created within us was innocence. This whole universe was created after the creation of innocence . This chakra is placed below the kundalini which is the pure power of desire. Whatever is pure, we call holy. Is the holy power of desire, which remains dormant. This power is the desire to be one with the Spirit. Without knowing the Spirit, you cannot know God. You have to be input to the mains, you are not yet connected to the mains. For example, if this instrument [microphone] that we have made, is not put to the mains it has no meaning. So that has to happen. It’s like the primule in the seed, a germinating power in the seed; that you have got this power, residual power sleeping, waiting for somebody who is authorized by the Divine and not by any organization or certificate that human beings give you, somebody who himself is a realized soul, an enlightened person who knows what this power is. It waits for such a person to come and then it awakens itself and you get your Self-realization. It has to be spontaneous; everything vital in life has to be spontaneous. Our breathing is so spontaneous that we take it for granted till it stops, or till we feel that we cannot breathe. If you have to go and read books or put in some effort to breathe, then how many of us could even exist for more than five minutes? It is so vital, it is the culmination of our evolution and as the whole creation was created by the Divine and you are also created by the Divine, this great happening is to be done by the Divine. Now some people have asked Me “Can it not happen by itself to us?” We do not know that at every stage of our evolution some aspect of God had to incarnate or some guidance had to come from the Divine to give us a higher awareness. But especially at this time it is very important that somebody has to do it because you have reached a stage where you have to know it in words, and the Divine has to speak. I think people are ego-orientated, they ask, “Why You, Mother?”, it’s a very common question. “You better be there. I would be very happy if you could do it because I am a happily married woman, I don’t need anything from anyone, I have to just give. But if you can do My work, I will be very happy to retire. It’s very easy to say, “Why You?” I mean, you should ask God why He gave Me these powers. But they are there, but you need not feel so hurt about it . After all you have so many powers which I don’t have. For example, I don’t know how to drive, really I don’t know. I don’t know many things, I don’t even know how to open ordinary cans. But if I know how to open the kundalini, why should it hurt your ego? And why should you feel bad because I have to really work day in and day out to do this work ? For you it’s something just a free gift, there is no shopping to be done, you can’t pay for it, it is beyond your control. To conceive God, you have to see, as reality is. You have to give up your misconceptions. Supposing I had conceived this hall before seeing it, I would have had funny ideas, but I really know what it is like after seeing it only. In the same way people have written books, thousands or even millions of books they have written, so what to do? They have written books, but have they given you Self-realization? Have they given you that experience of the absolute by which you know yourself, you know your centers and the center of others and you start manifesting your own powers? You become the master of your powers. This is what should be the criteria of your seeking. Why should you be identified with anything else but yourself? Because I get people belonging to this cult, or this group, or this religion. But you must understand that you are not here to plead for any one of them. I mean you pay them to be their pleader or to be their lawyers or solicitors, whatever you may call it. But you should really try honestly to seek the truth and ask for this truth. Then only you will get the truth. So first thing you should understand that you cannot purchase Divine. You cannot pay for it, that is an insult. And secondly you cannot put in any effort for that. When you have to sprout a seed what do you do? You put it in Mother Earth, and she sprouts by itself spontaneously. It has got that force in it, only have to put it in Mother Earth. And Mother Earth by her warmth germinates the seed. Do you get angry with Mother Earth for that If she has to do it, she has to do it. Whatever the sun has to do, has to do, and whatever you have to do, you can do and whatever the animals have to do, they do. If we understand that we have not yet achieved what we wanted to, then you will realize that there is a very little gap. undalini awakening takes split of a second, but it may take more time to rise in some people because of blockages in a center or maybe some imbalances within us. In short I will try to tell you what is the kundalini and what is this picture about. I hope you have got some books with you so that you can see for yourself. Those who haven’t got a book can also get one from them. It will be easier to understand. At the back of the book you will find a nice chart. Firstly you have to be honest about your seeking, absolutely honest about it, then everything will work out. Now here you see this chart is the first center called as the Mooladhara Chakra, as I said, and the sacrum. The word sacrum means sacred. The sacrum is the bone in which the Kundalini is coiled, there. This blue- colo,r balloon-like structure comes down from the top up to the first chakra. Now this represents a subtle force within us, which is the power of desire. It manifests outside the left sympathetic nervous system. This is the emotional side of a human being, but it is not only emotional. This is the one that accumulates conditionings within itself when we say, “Don’t do that, don’t do that, don’t do that,” thus creating a balloon-like structure called superego, which in Sanskrit is called mana. So this is the power of mana, of mana shakti. The English language is a little confused. When you say “mental cases” you do not mean the mental cases that has something to do with the mind which thinks. But when you say mental cases, you mean to say that they are the people who suffer from emotional problems. It’s a little confusing thing, but in psychology it is very nicely described by Jung, who was a realized soul . The superego and the id part is this power by which we get all our conditionings within us and pass it to our past. Beyond this area on the left-hand side lies, beyond the subconscious, the collective subconscious. All that is dead since creation lies this side on the left-hand side. This as I told you,is the left sympathetic nervous system. Now in the medical science there is no difference between the left and right. But you will find out that they have two entirely different functions. The left sympathetic nervous caters to our emotional side, which can be proved in Sahaja Yoga practice. On the right-hand side there is another power, which is the power of action. When we desire, the desire has to be put into action. And this power of desire is called the prana shakti or the power of action, the kriya shakti some people call it, and it looks after our intellectual side, our intelligence, the mind with which we think about the mental side and our physical side, through which we go into action. This activity creates another balloon , you can see it there, a yellow color balloon which we call as ego. E G O, ego. And this two powers meet at a point. When a child is about twelve years of age, he is completely calcified here.. But in childhood, at the age of, say, one year or one and a half year, you start feeling the calcification of this soft bone called as fontanel bone. In the center is the third power called the power of evolution, the power of sustenance, the power of religion, which is innate within us. Now “religo” means a capacity, or you can say a quality. Gold is untarnishable; that is the quality of gold. Carbon has four valences; that’s the quality of carbon. In the same way, human beings have also got ten sustenances and these ten sustenances are the dharma or the religion of a human being. It has nothing to do with outside religions, what you believe in or what you have fallen into or what you are born into, but there are ten sustenances within us, which are in this area call as, we call it Void but it’s not the same void as in Zen . In Sahaja Yoga the Void is the visceral cavity. In this area we develop our sustenance. We can only evolve by developing our sustenance. For example, first a fish came out of the water and developed a sustenance by which it started crawling, and became a reptile. First only one fish came, and then shoals and shoals of fishes started coming out of the water. So evolution went on like this till we became human beings. In this process, as you know very well, there are left-sided and right-sided animals – the right-sided are the more ambitious, the dominating type, the left-sided are the sly. There are many nocturnal animals that are left-sided, they are frightened and live on the left : those who are aggressive are on the right-hand side. They were discarded, even some vegetables and what you call plants were discarded in the process of evolution. They were thrown on the right or the left-hand side. And God created man in His own image. That means man has everything that God has. If He is the primordial being, He is the macrocosm, then you are the microcosm, you are a cell in His body, although you are not aware of that. There’s a difference between awareness and just consciousness. Awareness is an actualization, while just to be conscious means you believe something mentally, rationally you are conscious, “I know that. We think we are brothers and sisters.” Now the centres that are placed within. The first one, as I told you, is the Mooladhara Chakra. You will be happy to know that in the universe Australia is the Mooladhara Chakra. It’s a fact, you will know that on vibrations, if you ask the question you will know. Basically you are innocent people. You don’t know when you commit sins that this is sin, you just do it very innocently. You don’t do it knowingly, innocently you do it. And the second centre is the centre called Swadishthana Chakra. The first centre manifests your pelvic plexus. The right side, as I told you, manifests the right sympathetic nervous system. The centre one manifests your parasympathetic which is broken, which is not yet complete. Whatever you have achieved in your awareness as a human being is there, and there is a little gap that you just have to bridge to become united with that force. Now this second chakra is the chakra called Swadishthana Chakra. You need not worry about the names, but it’s the centre for action by which you think, think for the future. And this centre looks after many other visceras or you can say organs, within us. It looks after your liver. Our attention is looked after by this centre. Then it looks after your pancreas, your spleen, your kidneys and the uterus in women. The most important function of this centre is to manifest the aortic plexus in the gross and to convert the fat cells of the stomach to replace the fat cells of the brain. because, after all, The fat cells of the brain are to be replaced because you think, think, think, think and go mad with thinking. You think so much that as if two horns are coming out of your thinking. You may say “ Mother,the mind is very important”, but in fact the mind is a problem.” Don’t you know that this mind is limited? This rationality is limited. You have to go to unlimited. When I came to this hall, we had to leave the car outside. This mind can go up to a point and if you try to go beyond that, then you really go crazy. We don’t bring the cars inside, in the same way this mind cannot take you to the unlimited. It’s a limited thing, you have to go beyond the mind. This centre is doing its job of supplying the fat cells and when you think too much all other viscera, all other organs are not looked after,they are neglected. by which the person who thinks too much, who lives in the future, who plans too much, also then drinks in addition to that and in addition to that does other things like taking drugs and eating lots of greasy food and so on, so he really finishes that poor liver. And that liver is the organ that sorts out all the poisons in your body, all kinds of poison. The liver gets out of order, and you don’t feel it. Only the heat starts accumulating, you always feel nauseated and you feel so unhappy you don’t want to face the present, you want to run away. You feel terrible, you don’t know what to do with yourself. All that comes from a bad liver. Then not only your liver but your pancreas goes out of order and you develop a disease called diabetes. With that you also drink coffee and other things, which all add up. The amount of coffee that people consume, sometimes I can’t understand. And that coffee can really spoil the pancreas to such an extent that you can develop even more serious diseases of the pancreas than diabetes. Beyond the pancreas lies the spleen. The spleen is the real victim in modern times. The spleen is the speedometer within us, it regulates your speed. When you are eating your food, you turn on the news on the TV or something, suddenly horrible things happen. You get a shock. Emergencies built-in: the spleen is already busy producing RBCs, red blood corpuscles, for the digestion of the food, and suddenly it has another emergency and a third emergency. The way you have your breakfast, half a sandwich in your mouth, half outside while stepping into the car, telling your wife “ Do this, do that “and then rushing through the rat race, ending up yourself into a very crazy spleen. The spleen does not know how to cope with such telescopic behaviour, it goes so very crazy that it starts producing crazy cells, and these crazy cells ultimately create a very serious disease called blood cancer. The other day somebody asked Me a question, “Mother, is it that children get blood cancer?” I said, “If I tell you, you shouldn’t be angry with Me, but it happens when we are always getting at our children. Poor things, they are small children. We are trying to make them good citizens. So this crazy spleen becomes absolutely uncontrollable, it starts producing blood cells which become malignant. They are produced randomly, at any time, and the malignancy starts. One cell becomes very big and overbearing. We are also malignant people sometimes, we want to be important in society, dominating everybody, encroaching on other people. In this competition we want to have everything for ourselves, and by the time we are old, we find our hands and feet are shaking, we can’t walk properly or we develop diseases such as a heart attack or a stroke. This rat race is very competitive. Competition for what? Everybody should be able to grow in relation to others. For example, if only your nose starts growing like that, not in relation to your body or face, what is going to happen to the rest of you ? On your own, you start growing without any relationship or coordination with other people in society,or other parts of the world, then you become malignant. You lose all balance; you don’t know what you are doing. This is the tragedy that when this happens to us we are so ego-orientated that we are not aware of it till we reach a stage that suddenly a person goes what you call in American English “gaga”(crazy). You find people like this, they can’t talk, I have seen in Paris. Some people, not very old, younger to Me in age, got on the bus and they were talking loudly, all sorts of French words, and I asked,” What are they doing?” They said, “Mother, they are talking about the last war.” I said, “Why?” They said, “They just go on talking like this, they are crazy”. This happens because you are having such a running jump towards the hell that the progress, so-called will make our society into very funny, jittery people with twitching heads, necks and everything, while their children are so aggressive that it is impossible to understand why they’re behaving like this. We have to understand that we are part and parcel of the whole. And anything that is done without relationships with others can create tremendous problems for the whole world. already happening. and it is creating The second centre is very important for modern people, as I told you, because when you start thinking too much also, what you do, you use your right side, and the left side gets frozen. By improving all your thinking processes, thinking too much of the future and planning, and of course most of the plans go waste. We waste such a lot of energy in thinking, only to find that if we had not thought so much, we would not have been so frustrated. The planning also to such an extent doesn’t help in any way. Supposing I have to come to this hall and I do not know the way. What use is planning ? I have just to ask somebody which way to go and follow directions. Supposing a seed has to grow into a root, does it do any planning beforehand? It does not. What it does is that it faces. It’s a little cell but it is so wise. It knows that there is some obstruction, that it is no use fighting with this rock so it goes round it, finds all the soft places it can pierce through and gets itself embedded sensibly and wisely ; it even uses that rock, uses that rock to strengthen the tree. So when you try to dominate others, I mean the sophisticated, the more sophisticated you get , the more sophisticated this ego gets and you are very pleased with that sophistication. You say “Sorry”, “yes”, and so on, but inside a big Mr. Ego is developing like a balloon. It presses down on your superego, which is squashed. There is no longer a gap between the two, there is no more room for the superego and the ego presses down on it till you become aware of how colossal your ego has become. And then such a person looks for ways to escape, it he takes to alcohol which gives rise to superego or it takes to drugs and all kinds of escapism in life to run away from his own ego because he can’t bear it. Now the wobbling starts, the ego and superego start wobbling, and that’s how you get people who are absolutely confused. Moreover, to add up to the whole problem, the modern times are the ones that in this confusion Last Judgment has already started. Through your Kundalini awakening only you will judge yourself and correct yourself and you will enter into the Kingdom of God. These confusions actually have led human beingsinto such frantic, precarious ages that Sahaja Yoga had to come on this earth to solve the problems once for all. After getting realization it’s so remarkable when you find your absolute through Kundalini awakening and see people they give up so many things overnight. For instance an old man in Singapore who is very rich and a very well-known personality got his realization and he told Me that overnight he gave up gambling, drinking and racing. These are also types of escapism, ways of escaping from our lives because we are so bored with ourselves. Imagine a person is imprisoned. If he is imprisoned in a nice place, he should not feel upset, after all that is a very good way to face yourself and that’s the most beautiful thing we can do. But because we are so frightened of ourselves that we don’t want to be left alone, we think we are lonely. We want to run away from ourselves. We want to have somebody else, it’s better to have somebody else, and even if somebody else comes in, we do not want to face him squarely, but we want to have something in between, like a bottle of beer or something. After realization you time start enjoying each other for the first time. You time start feeling the vibrations of another person and you really enjoy the beauty of that person through this cool breeze that is coming from his being . And this should happen to all of you. You all should achieve it, it’s very important because you are out and out seekers. But first you must have self-estimation. You must know that you are not here to play games with yourself. All kinds of games are available, provided by industries since the Industrial Revolution, by all modern thinkers and books, and to add to all that, gurus have come from India to supply this market demand. So the picture is complete. This should not upset you, because behind all the fake and falsehood there has to be reality. Among thousands of artificial flowers, you must know there has to be one real rose. And in the same way behind all this falsehood and confusion there is reality which is so beautiful within yourself and which you have to achieve through Kundalini awakening. In short now I will tell you about the other centres. If you go through this book, you will know about the names and things, but in short I can tell you. The third center is the centre of our seeking, is the center by which w are seeking, is the navel centre, is by which amoeba, an amoeba felt hungry, he was seeking food. In We went on seeking only food until the stage of, say, mammoth and all these big animals. They were such unwieldy big things that they could not maintain themselves. So then the intelligent animals came in. In that also some of them were very horrid ones like foxes. Then very powerful animals came up who had more physical power and a smaller body. Like that we developed with this seeking up to a point when we became really human beings and when we became human beings we started seeking things like possessions or else like power in politics, economics, social work, social things and lastly the Spirit. The Spirit is the solution for all seeking. Without the light you cannot see anything in this world. I cannot see you without any light in here. To me, in darkness you are nothing but darkness. I can’t see. I cannot relate one to another, I do not know who are sitting here and listening to me. Once there is light you can see everything clearly, and that’s what it is happens. When you get your enlightenment you become the master of yourself. This is the end of seeking . In this enlightened seeking only, around the seeking are, our sustenances are developed gradually, and ultimately we become human beings. And for human beings there are ten sustenances described in the Ten Commandments. When I talked about Ten Commandments, one gentleman got very angry and said, “You are a Christian, you are a Christian, you are a Christian!” But the Ten Commandments were written by Jews, they were not written … Moses was not a Christian, he was a Jew and this Jew got angry with me because I was a Christian. Moses, Abraham, Confucius, Socrates, Mohammed, Nanak, Janak, Lao Tse, these are all primordial masters, the principle of primordial masters, the Adi Gurus, who incarnated on this earth to teach us how to keep our sustenance. They talked against all alcohol and strong drinks. Christ did not talk about it, but that does not mean that when He converted water into wine, He fermented the wine. You cannot ferment wine in a minute, you understand that. Wine is a very common word, even today you’ll find that wine means grapes, the grapevine is called a wine, even grape juice is called wine. Nowadays, to differentiate we have started to call it grape juice. But it is very, very [loose, but your will be very surprised it is a very confusing?]. People must have started doing that about fifty years back in India, or maybe abroad, I don’t know. Even today many people call a wine “raksasa”, even in Indian language it is called wine. Any grape juice is called wine. So there are many other things which these people told us that you should not do, to keep yourself in the centre. Now I divide our mistakes into two categories. The first mistake we have is not to believe that God Almighty is going to look after our well-being. Krishna has said very clearly that “Yoga kshema vahamyahamini ” Meaning “After yoga, after union with God, I will look after your well being.” That means you should get connected. Supposing I am not an Australian citizen why should the Australian government look after me? In the same way if you are not members of God’s community or if you are not entered the Kingdom of God or if you are not a citizen of His Kingdom, it is not His responsibility to look after your well being. I mean of course He has created you, so He looks after. But otherwise it’s not certain that He’ll look after you. People demand so much from God, they think they are already connected. They treat Him as if you can find Him anywhere under a stone. They go on demanding. “Please look after my son, please do this,” praying morning till evening, just pestering. When you are not connected with God, if you go on doing like this to any human being , you’ll get arrested. We live in a fantasy world, “Oh, I have been praying, and God has given me this, and I have been doing this.” But do we deserve it? Are we the Spirit? Have we tried to be the Spirit? We have done all kinds of things but we have yet to become the Spirit. When you are the Spirit then you are really blessed, not only by His powers but you become the master of your being and you start manifesting your own powers. This seeking and the surrounding dharma which is looked after by the primordial masters is in this centre here and above that is the centre of the Mother of the Universe, who gives us security. This one when spoiled, the sense of security spoiled, especially among women, when they feel that their husbands are negligent or they are flirting with other women and so on, then this centre goes out of order. When this centre goes out of order, they develop diseases like breast cancer. Breast cancer is more common in societies where they have divorces. I have given a speech on this which you should get from Sydney and you will know all about it. Now the right side Heart, which you see here, is the centre of the father and the left one is the centre of the mother. The right side Heart centre catches when you have not done your duty as a father, or if your father died very early and you were shocked it can also happen. Anorexia and all these diseases can also be caused by this kind of happening, or also asthma. Asthma is invariably caused by this centre going out of order. The left side is the centre of the Mother. We chose our father and mother before our birth, we chose them. If we were foolish enough to choose horrible parents we have to pay for that mistake. It is better to pay it in one lifetime so that next time you won’t have them again. But we are not to judge them. If they are not seekers, it’s very difficult to live with them, I know. It’s very difficult to live with parents who are morning till evening counting every penny, counting every tin which is emptied, every tube that is emptied. They store everything, they are so materialistic and you just can’t bear such people, I can quite understand. Even your wife or husband may be extremely materialistic and you will be fed up. They write down everything, count everything. Today a lady who interviewed Me asked Me, “Mother, how many people have You given realization and how many people You have cured.” I said, “You’d better ask the sun first of all how many leaves it has made green, then talk to Me.” I never write any accounts, let alone of human beings, not even of money. I never write, I have no time and I have no understanding as how to write accounts. Next life maybe I will be an accountant for you. So this happens to us when we become against our parents. I don’t say that you should carry on with mad people, it’s no use asking the bull to come and hit you, is correct. But you need not judge them. You can leave them, stay away and do not have them in your life, it’s all right. But if you are taking interest in them as well as fighting with them morning till evening, then you catch on this Heart chakra. I would say that in this respect Indians are sensible people. They are very sensible , they keep their parents all right. And the parents are also very sensible people. They love their children; they give them everything that they have, and the children start really loving their parents. They look after them until they die. The result of that is of course very bad, because here in all the western countries the parents are still in a bridal mood, they are brides and bridegrooms, they never become old enough to be parents. Even an eighty- year-old man you’ll find marrying an eighteen-year-old girl. This is going on all the time. God knows what sort of intelligence is that. But with all that happening, poor children do not know which parents to choose. And the Last Judgment has started. Now, what to do? Putplace yourself in their place and think. What would you do if you know such crazy parents that today they are together, tomorrow they are divorced? On the streets they will be kissing, hugging each other, doing all kinds of nonsensical things. Very embarrassing too.Then if you ask them, “Where are you going?,” they will say they are on their way to the divorce case! These kinds of absurdities are taking place and because of that children don’t want to get birth in all these places: England, Germany, Switzerland, everywhere, the birth rate is low. In Germany especially, West Germany and East Germany of all the things people are given so much money in family allowances that a woman if she produces three children she earns more money than their prime minister. But still women don’t want to produce. They want to be free and independent; they don’t want to be mothers. As a result poor India has to accommodate for all the children born today and we are blamed for overpopulation. What can we do? We have to bear the load. It is also your responsibility .to see If you do not have children at least those who are producing children have some compassion for them and have some understanding. Do not blame them. Everybody asks Me, “What about Your problem of population?” I tell them, “Now, who is responsible for our population? Because in that country, even if they have fourteen children, they love every one of them. They are not so ego-orientated that their hearts are not closed, they are not so unemotional, anybody who has not got a child will go to all the holy places and ask for blessings that they can get children. To get a child is such a blessing in India and child is such an important thing. But the mistake they are committing is just the other than yours. The mistake in those developing countries is that they do not believe that God Almighty is the One who is going to look after your well being. They don’t believe in the power of their Father. By not believing in their Father’s capacity to look after them, they do the crime or a sin against the Father.. So there is bribery, corruption, all sorts of things going on, cutting corners, money and all those things. Still in India I wouldn’t say that ordinary people are dishonest. Maybe our bureaucrats, politicians and business people are. But ordinary people are very honest in India. On the other side, if an Indian comes to your house, be careful, he may run away with anything that you have in the house ! But if an American comes to your house, keep an eye on your wife, he may run away with your wife or with your daughter. Or if an Englishman comes, he’ll do it in a subtler way because he’s a scholar. So he reads some poetry to your wife and during the night you’ll find she is missing. This is fundamental. The wife who runs away like this creates a fundamental problem for the household. Just imagine, the children and the husband, kitchen and all the places are sleeping peacefully and then early in the morning they find that the mainstay of their home is missing and the whole family circle is collapsed. What will happen to the children? Nobody thinks. Nobody understands.Or they think they are being in love so they must go? Men do the same. I mean there is no difference between men and women. But this is the sin against the Mother that the Women have to be both respectable and respected. The housewife’s position is within us here on the left-hand side Nabhi, and if a housewife, the deity that is not just a woman but also a housewife, is not present in our house, not that the woman but the housewife, then our spleen goes out of order. We get, Children go crazy. Why is there indiscipline ? Somebody asked Me today, “What happens to people likeman who tried to kill Reagan?” I said, “Ask his mother.” She must be getting at the child morning till evening, and that’s why he’s misbehaving, or else is a reaction of what has happened to him. These complications originate in the family, in the nest that is your home. You have to live in that nest as a father and a mother looking after your children. Children are the most important things in the whole world for human beings. Let politics go to hell, and let the economy take its own course, but children are to be looked after. That’s your primary duty. But in India we go to the other end: when we start looking after our children we don’t mind selling even our country in the name of our children. But we live with two extremes, I feel that we sin against the Mother and against the Father. When we Australians sin against the Mother, let us face what happens to us. We get emotionally absolutely blackmailed, by ourselves. We torture ourselves, we live with artificial concepts. If a wife wants to run away with another man we will even go so far as to get a honeymoon ticket for her because we are very good, considerate husbands. Same thing with the wife, if she finds that the husband is interested in another woman, she should not be jealous. In Sahaja Yoga this is not very much appreciated. The husband has to behave like a husband. He should make his wife run the house. And the woman has to be a woman. She must see to it that the children are in no danger. We have no business to hurt anyone like this and we do not know how much we hurt our wives and husbands; they can even get cancer because of what we have done.We cause all kinds of horrible diseases and mental torture; we make them mad by our mad, capricious, very shallow understanding of our emotions. A man starts going to another woman, then he goes to yet another woman, then to ten women; then ten men go to ten women and end up in a lunatic asylum or in the orphanage. In England we had a neighbour who had a huge house. He was an old man, and when he died they did not discover his body for one month. Because there was no family feeling, nothing, even a rat didn’t enter that house. Can you imagine! This is what has happened in thinking: “I am original, I am individualistic, I am exclusive.” If you are really individualistic, if individually you are really mature, then you are perfectly aware of the importance of unity . You understand that you are the support of the whole because you are so mature. No wonder our children are not maturing,that they are behaving in such a manner. We are responsible. In India we don’t have such ideas about compatibility and all that nonsense, so we are quite comfortable and we are producing children quite all right. We have no problems. Why do you run after these capricious, shallow ideas? You will be held responsible for all these horrible diseases that men and women have got and for the children who are going to suffer. If you want charity, you’d better start it at home. Better be charitable to your own wife and to your own husband. Be charitable to your children. Don’t give in to the concept of falling in love, you’ll fall really and make others fall too. It’s a concept, just a concept. I think some of these horrible people must have given you this concept. If you really fall in love how do you get up and marry another person? You fall, marry another person, then again you are ready to marry another person. You are holding the hand of a person who is supposed to be your beloved and looking at someone else. This concept is absolutely wrong. You have to grow in love. Just as your own child is, in the same way, your companion. They are two parts of one chariot, one is the left and other is the right. They are not unequal, they are equal, but they are not similar, they have their own role. And women have to play their role courageously, to be the mother. As I always say, “Look at Me, I am a mother and in no way, in any way, I cannot think of anything better to be than this.” Now if I start thinking, “Oh God, I am a mother all right, but I must know how to drive,” then I’m finished. “I must know how to drive a bus, I must know how to drive a train.” What is the need? I saw one photographer who came to see Me. He was supposed to take My photograph and all hands were covered with blisters. I said, “Let Me first cure your blisters. How you are going to take My photograph? What have you been doing with your photography?” He said, “No, this, I went to a forest and I cut down some trees.” I said, “For what? You are a photographer, your hands are soft and deft. Why do you want to kill the deftness of your fingers?” He said, “No, we must do other things too.” I said, “Why must you? The nose doesn’t do the work of the eyes and the eyes do not do the work of the ears. Why must you do, your hands are all ruined ! “ And this is what it is. To us We feel that men are great so we start wanting to do the same work as men. Men think, “Why should women be like this?” You are companions, you are eternal companions. You are two beautiful wheels of a chariot. This has to grow and to mature within you. And when this centre is out, you get the problems of this centre: by which asthma, tuberculosis and breast troubles. Men get asthma, very serious asthma and other problems of the lungs and ultimately lung cancer can also develop. When you work too hard with the right-hand side, you are ego orientated, is that the ego develops too much. Then your left side is neglected, you become unemotional. In time, your heart gives a signal, you get a heart attack. When you do too much sometimes you may escape the heart attack, but you may get a brain paralysis. We are bent upon destroying ourselves. The destruction is going to come from within, not from without. Some people try to shock you by predicting that such and such will happen, that the sun is doing this and …:This is nothing. It’s all within you the destruction has started. You are facing it because you cannot accept it. You have to accept that this is a challenge, “I am not going to allow myself to be destroyed by foolish and stupid ideas going around.” And then you will be surprised by your own glory and self-esteem. After realization you will be enriched, but without realization, I don’t know, it becomes just a lecture and yet another, just a brainwash. Have this beautiful experience of Self-realization and you will find the beauty within yourself. I have seen people change overnight. Overnight it happens and I hope that it will happen to you tonight. Today I have talked to you about this centre and later on I will be talking to you about two other centres which are here and here. And the realization that takes place out of the limbic area, in the fontanel membrane, which is called the Brahmarandra in Sanskrit language. Thank you very much. May God bless you. If you have any questions you please ask Me. But questions should be something which are helpful, something which are not some sort of quarrel. I am not here to quarrel with you. If you don’t want your realization I am not going to force you. Please do not plead for any other organization or any other guru, because I am not interested. I am only interested in you. I see that sparkle in you, that’s why I am only interested in you, I’m not bothered about others. So you do not try to bring other ideas that “This guru has said this,” or “This one has said that and this is in the book.” The proof of the pudding is that you haven’t got your realization. If you have got it, then you can go out. If you are sure you have got it, I don’t want to force it on you. There’s no quarrel about anything. There’s no election on, nothing. You cannot give Me anything. There’s no shopping. It’s a temple; you have come for a blessing. All right? Now you can ask the questions, all right. Thank you very much. Dr. Warren: Any questions? What commonly happens at times like this when Mataji has been speaking, because of these vibrations which She is emitting, you enter the silence, you become thoughtless. You find that all the rational things that you want to ask, which really only come from our ego, just quietly sit down. The noisy radio gets switched off. And this in fact is what happens at the time of realization. You enter the silence. Shri Mataji: You must realize there’s nothing to be frightened about. The kundalini crosses this point, (Shri Mataji places Her finger on Her forehead) and you feel thoughtlessly aware. This is the first step. You are aware, but you are thoughtless. Dr.Warren (repeating question from the floor): Most people find it too time-consuming in this modern life to devote enough time to their Self-realization. What does Her Holiness suggest? Shri Mataji: Firstly, are you realized or not? Have you got your realization ? You have got it. Now, if you have got your realization, actually you are in meditation, you are in meditation. Now for doing the meditation as they say, although there’s nothing like doing but cleansing is needed because you have to be on the watch in the beginning – how the vibrations are coming, if there is a proper flow or not, what chakras you are catching on. Moreover your life pattern also changes, because you do not enjoy the things that do not give you the real joy of the Spirit. And the greatest joy of the Spirit is that you give light to others. If you do not give light to others, you will never be satisfied. You may feel better because you are realized, but the completion of that or the development of your being doesn’t take place, unless and until you come into collective places. The best thing will be wherever you are, you start a little group and meet there every weekend or some other time, and meditate. That would be a very good idea; then you start feeling the sweetness and the beauty of another person. You start seeing it clearly and enjoying it. You don’t spend so much time on other things when you take to it and you enjoy it; you also grow. One lady who got her realization told Me that she had become very different, she didn’t remember the names of all the things that she had and the quality of this and that. She was a sales girl or something like that, she had her own business and she used to sell things. I said, “What has happened?” “I do not remember all that and I am not that alert, but I am very happy and joyous and things are selling better: I am making a very big profit.” It’s a fact, it has happened to so many of them. That’s the blessing of God. I am not telling you lies, you have to see for yourself how these blessings work out. And then you will just count your blessings one by one. Dr. Warren: The meditation practice is very simple. We’ll tell you about it later. Very simple. The point is, as Mataji says, is to be in meditation – all the time. And that’s what we have to develop. Shri Mataji: Is there any other question? Dr. Warren: Any other questions ? Then Mataji can now give you all the experience. I suggest you slip your shoes off, just to get your feet first onto the floor and hold your hands out, resting them comfortably on your lap. But most of all, be in a receptive frame of mind in the sense that…. Shri Mataji: They are, they are very much so. Warren: Just ask Mother for it. Just ask Mother for your realization. It’s a spontaneous thing so with humility, just ask Mother for it, nothing else. She is here as a Mother to give you the gift. Shri Mataji: You just put your both the hands towards Me just like this and you will be asking for it just like that. Now close your eyes. You have to close your eyes because when the Kundalini rises above agnya dilatation of the pupils so you close your eyes, it’s better. (to Warren) Can you put off that light ? Dr.Warren (to yogi) Can you turn the light around ? But you can just turn it off. Shri Mataji: This here. That’s better. Just put both the hands towards Me and close your eyes. (Mother works on seeker) I don’t think he’s got it. (To seeker) Did you attend a programme before ? Yogini: What’s the matter ? Shri Mataji: He has a little liver. (To seeker) Put your left hand on the liver. You’ve got it. Are you feeling the cool breeze now? Or are you feeling the hot breeze ? If it is hot, then put your left hand towards Me like this and right hand on your liver. The liver is here. Dr.Warren: Left hand on the liver. Shri Mataji: I’m sorry, left hand on the liver. Right hand towards Me and left hand on the liver. iver is where he is showing you. and should be like this, towards Me, like this. A little lower, it is under the rib. You can move the hand and see. Maybe you’ll find it. dr.Warren (to Shri Mataji): Left heart and right Swadishthan. A little right nabhi. Shri Mataji: I would request you not to disturb people in meditation. If you want to go, you should have gone earlier. This is another kind of aggression, you see. I mean, nobody was torturing these women, but this is just to disturb the whole people here. There’s no need to leave the hall during the meditation, so you have to leave earlier. Be considerate isn’t it. (to seeker) Now you can put your left hand towards Me and right hand on the heart. No, it’s the other way round. Left hand towards Me and right hand on the heart. Now close your eyes please. You can ask the question in your heart: “Mother, am I the Spirit.” Ask this question in your heart. Go on asking this question. Now say “Mother, please give me my self-realization. Please give me my self-realization” you have to ask.”I am a seeker, Mother. Please give me my self-realization.” (Shri Mataji blows into the microphone) Dr.Warren: It’s good. A little bit of left heart still. Shri Mataji: You must say that”If I have done any mistakes in my seeking or anything else that I have done, please forgive me.” You have to ask for forgiveness from God. “Please forgive me, because you are the ocean of love, compassion and forgiveness. So, oh Lord, please forgive me if I have made any mistakes.” Now, while you are saying this do not pick up any guilt within you, because that’s very common. Just to say that I do not develop any guilt because once you say “Please forgive me”, you are forgiven.So you should not have any guilt saying that “I have done this wrong, that wrong”. Say it right, very humbly you must say that “If I have done any mistakes or if I have tried to destroy myself, oh Lord, please forgive me.” Now, have no guilt. Actually ,you have to say “I am not guilty”. You have to say it at least thrice (= three times), clearly, that “I am not guilty”, because Christ has crucified himself for your sins and for your karmas, about which I will tell you tomorrow. So you just say “I am not guilty”. Say it thrice, it will really help you very much.You are unnecessarily analyzing yourself, criticizing yourself and calling yourself guilty. If you are really shaking please open your eyes. You should not shake. If you are shaking that means there is a problem. Now put both hands towards Me. Start feeling the cool breeze ? That’s it then. It’s a very subtle thing, very subtle. Our attention is on the gross and the feeling of the cool breeze that is the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost you have to feel it in your hands. (Shri Mataji blows into the microphone again and again) (to seeker) Again say “I am not guilty”. Are you getting the cool breeze now, in the hands ? Try to concentrate, closing your eyes, concentrating on your fingers. See if there is any cool breeze coming in. If not, you forgive others. First of all , you forgive others, go on forgiving and then say “Mother, give me my realization”. You must forgive, you must forgive others, that’s very important. By not forgiving you are really harming yourself and destroying yourself. Nothing is happening to the person you are not forgiving. So just say “I forgive, I forgive, I forgive.” Now ask for your realization. “Mother, please give me my self-realization.” Alright. It’s good. Dr.Warren: Very cool. Shri Mataji: Just enjoy yourself. Enjoy. Enjoy yourself. Keep your eyes shut. Come here. Do not think, please do not think. Relax and enjoy. Put your hands on your legs and enjoy, on your lap you can put your hands. Alright ? Dr. Warren: Quite good. Good balance. Shri Mataji: All of you who are feeling the cool breeze raise your hands. Both the hands. Please raise them higher. Both the hands, those who are feeling the cool breeze.Great ! what a response ! Those who are not feeling the cool breeze can take help from the Sahaja yogis who are here. Please put your hands down. Thank you very much. We wanted to see how Melbourne will work out and I would like to come back here again on Monday evening. I’m going to Sydney and we’ll be back again on Monday evening, same time, same place, definitely, to tell you about the other two chakras. Those who have not got realization should talk to the other Sahaja yogis. Please come and stand here, all the Sahaja yogis. Talk to them and take help from them. They can come a little bit later. Come along. They look just like you, but they are collectively conscious and they know about Kundalini. These are the people who are here and you can talk to them, converse with them and ask them if you haven’t got the cool breeze. If you have got it, don’t think about it and tonight you work it out. Please, you come along and talk to these people and you will be able to understand Kundalini better. They are Australians, they know the problems of Australians and they have given realization in my absence. Only Warren and Terence,both of them, came from India and they gave them realization. So just talk to them, tell them your difficulties if you have any, give them your addresses and Monday I will be here so bring more friends, more relatives and more people and get them their realization. Thank you very much, all of you. Thank you. I hope to see you on Monday when I am going to tell you about two more centres, that is those of Shri Krishna and Christ. May God bless you. Go through the book and find out what is to be done. Dr. Warren: At the door is a large book. We’d really consider it a privilege if you’d just sign that book with your own name and address because this is really your birthday for those people who got it - your second birthday. There is a contact address here in Melbourne which we’ll give you for those people who want to actively develop it and find out more about it but for the time being, just settle in, read at the back of the book where it explains how to meditate - it’s very simple. But more than anything, establish your vibrations, establish your realization and come along on Monday night, Mataji will take you that extra step further but also these centres here, here and here will become more firmly established. Hope to see you then. For those that didn’t feel the cool breeze or who have any particular problem, just stay behind here and we can at least help you.

4/3/1981

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Christ prepared you for the Spirit

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Public programme, Sydney (Australia), 3 April 1981. The other day, I told you about the center of Christ and the center of Shri Krishna and their relationship with each other. Now the last and the most important one within us is the center of Sahasrara is the limbic area. When you enter into it, you become thoughtlessly aware. This is the area to be entered through the Kundalini, through the center of Christ, through the Gate of Christ and that's why it is written that you have to enter through Him. But not by somebody else saying, "I'm the Christ" or he saying, "I profess Christ and Christ" It's not that way. Christ is within us and when the Kundalini rises, if it stops at this center, you have to take his name. Not the people who are not Realized, but Realized people have to chant his name, then only the Kundalini pierces through that center of Christ. That's the door, that's the gate He's talked about, and then you enter into the Kingdom of God. "Thou shalt inherit the Kingdom of God." Inherit. That's your Father's Kingdom and that you have to inherit. But now the most important is the last center of Sahasrara where you have all the seven centers placed one after another. These centers are really the seats of all the Deities we have talked about. The seats are in the brain. Their aura is around the heart but they are actually sleeping in the "sthanas" as we call, the places of centers. So, it is in three ways you can understand. Now one. In the brain, there are seven centers of the seats and their auras are falling on the heart. Their places are in the center. And the first stage of the awakening of the Kundalini only these Deities get awakened. That means when you chant any word or you call Them by name, they react, in the sense that they open the chakras. You can feel it; you can see it clearly with your own eyes the Kundalini rising through them. Then later on, when you grow more and more, these Deities leave Their places and occupy Their seats and even the Spirit, which is in the heart, comes up here on the fontanel bone area where there is the heart, seat of the heart center, which is the heart here, opened goes there. But it is at a much later state, that state at a much later time, we can say much later state of your mind it's a, you get into that speed in which you just achieve that state. It is an achievement. It cannot be a false certificate from somebody or one can say this is written in the book. So this and this. There's no calculation like that. It has to mature in its living way and you yourself will know that you have got now complete Self-realization. First thing you get, is thoughtless awareness. With this you cross the Gate of Christ. You can cure people, you can raise the Kundalini. You may also be able to give Realization to people. But still, you are capable of falling out. Supposing somebody, a person comes with negative forces and fanaticism. He may encompass you and you may go down. But the second state is called as the doubtless awareness. If you rise into that, then you have no doubts whatsoever. You never fall down. Maybe your Kundalini comes and goes and supplies and sometimes you can feel the catches, it’s all right. But after that, you are so sure of yourself and of your achievement, your Self-realization that you never fall off. But the last one is the very important thing where many Sahaja yogis also falter, is the integration. For example, somebody’s born a Christian, he’s born. He could have been born a Hindu; he could have been born anything. He could have been Muslim. Muslim I have seen one fanatic, like a Muslim if he a fanatic he is born today as a fanatic Hindu or a fanatic Christian, these are all fanatics. They go from one swing to another swing and they profess. He will have Koran in his hand, this fellow will have Bible in his hand and another will have Gita in his hand, three of them are fighting. He says, "I’m correct". He says, "I’m correct" and he says, "I’m correct". Now what is the authority? Even of these books, people will ask, "What is the authority of the Bible? What is the authority of the Gita and what is the authority of the Koran?" They’ll say what is the authority of The Old Testament? If they ask authority, what is the answer? And you can ask what is my authority? You must ask this question. In the beginning people do ask what is my authority. My authority is that I give you Realization. And you ask the question, “Mother are you the authority?” You get vibrations. This is my authority. Then you will understand why Bible is right, Koran is right and Gita is right. Because of the narrow vision we have, if they are born as a Christian then they’ll stick into it. If you are Catholics you will be Protestants, if you are Protestants you’ll become a 7th Day Adventist, Pentecostals, this, that, born again, this, that nonsense. We go on ending up like that in a Christian genealogy, from one madness to another madness achieving nothing, believing into some sort of a theoretical thing like 7th Day Adventist. I can’t understand it. These theories and these things are not going to give you living experience, which is beyond rationality, which is beyond mind, which is Baptism, the real sense of the word, where you get this breeze in the hand, of the Holy Spirit. But we want to play about with these things with our narrow visions now see one case of Christ. Christ was definitely, as I told you, was Pranava, Omkara, everything was there, no doubt. But when He was born, there was signs and everything. Despite all that there was a king who wanted to kill Him. See the negativity. No intellectual accepted Him. No bureaucrat accepted Him, no educated person accepted Him. He had to actually beg of those very ordinary, mediocre people like fishermen to come and become His disciples. See the situation. And He was allowed to live only for 4 years by these horrible people. They may be born today as Christians and must be saying we are Christians and Christ and Christ and Christ. That’s why Christ has said I will not recognize you. They might be the people who might have crucified Christ. And they’re again crucifying Him by denying the living force of the living God. Four years. Now, what can you do in four years? I told you four years, with all my powers, I was struggling with six hippies giving them Realization in London city. He never even thought of giving Realization because He thought first of all they have no brains even to understand what is Realization. Whatever He said, He said it very precise and deep. If anything that is narrow has to be deep. Which cannot go into the heads of people who just listen to sermons and lectures and read books and sort of have big theories built up into anything. It will only be possible when you get your Realization, when you get your collective consciousness, when you become baptized. Then only you will be able to see what He talked about. Before that it's only mental activity, quarrelling, fighting and living on artificial things. How long are you going to do like that? Your forefathers did it and their forefathers did it and their forefathers have done it. Now is it not time for you to see that a new age has come? What are you going to lose by that? You form organizations false and false and false. There should be some honesty about it. Just talking talking morning till evening, you are not going to receive any knowledge about Christ I can tell you. This narrow vision of Christianity has killed Christ and Christianity good. The narrow vision of Jews has killed Moses and Abraham. The narrow vision of Krishna and the narrow vision of all these people has killed them. They have dead in them. Your children are going to challenge you. They are going to ask you, what foolish things you have been doing all your lives. They are going to ask you why did you do it? Have you any answer to give? For that one has to understand that we have now found our absolute. You be honest yourself. Have you found your absolute? We have not yet found our absolute. That's what you have to find. You are to be born again. Not to certificate yourself that I am born again. I have seen many people, I am born again. Really? How do you say? Can you feel the chakras of another person? Are you collectively conscious? Can you feel your own chakras? Can you clarify yourself is there any transformation? No transformation. Then you have among Jews also very fanatic people. Muslims have lost even the recognition of God's mercy and compassion. It is such a sad state. At this sad state and confusion, there has to be the integrating force. And that integrating force is your Spirit. That integration takes place in this seventh chakra of Sahasrara. All the seven centers are there and all the centers are coordinated and co-related and that's how, at the seventh chakra only you can get your Realization. He didn't allow any one of them to say anything about it. If they try to say anything you brake bright out of the book, oh see this book is written it is written in so and so and this is written so and so. Say for example when Christ was born. It was said that a child will be born to a girl. Kanya. In Sanskrit language it's Kanya. Now in England there was a controversy about it, Now I think the Jews started it maybe, I don't know who started it. Or maybe the Muslims. God only knows. They go into all these details of that thing to find out they said it was not said that He will be born of virgin but it was said of the girl. So, one of the Sahaja Yogi wrote a nice letter to them, of course under my guidance saying that at the time when Christ was born, even before that, this prophecy was made and that time, a girl meant a virgin. These are not modern times when a woman who is divorced 10 times and 80 years is her age, and she's still called as 'my girl'. These are foolish stupid modern times where there's no difference between a girl and a woman. That time a girl meant, even today in India, Kanya means a virgin. Girl means a virgin. It's the same thing. All such things have been raised against either Christ or Moses or Mohammad or this and that. I mean there only busy raising things against each other, that's what they are doing. According to them, what they say is the truth? What have they found? First thing, can they cure cancer? Let's see, let's have this challenge. Can they give peace to anyone? Are they peaceful? Have they been able to get over their adulterous eyes? Any transformation? Nothing. So, accept it. Be honest with yourself. You have no business to cheat yourself, or anything whatsoever. If you are hypnotized awaken yourself, arise and find what is the best, absolute and the only thing that you have to find, your Spirit. Your Spirit resides in the heart. It is the reflection of God Almighty. It enjoys itself, by itself. It is the spectator of the world, of its power, The Holy Ghost. It watches you and is called as the knower of the fate. It knows what you are doing, what are your aspirations, what mistakes you are committing. It goes to a long extent to forgive and forgive and forgive. Forgiveness is one of the qualities of the Spirit. It forgives you and says it will work out. It will come around. But when you go too far, say if you pay too much attention to your physical being or to your mental being, if you try to think too much, the Spirit indicates its displeasure and you get a heart attack. Heart attack comes to you through displeasure of the Spirit. If the Spirit is angry with you, you get a heart attack. That means you've neglected your Spirit, you've paid attention to things which are not important. You have looked after things which are not important. You have not worried about yourself, about the Spirit, about your seeking. Even if you're lost, say in any fanatic behavior of reading some books and things and taking out certain things and remembering them by heart and having an argument and goes on later all that, in all genuineness and goodness but stupidity then also you can get heart attack. Heart is very important. It sometimes gives you first warning by giving you a partial paralysis because in the heart is sort of a, resentment is created by the Spirit which creates a clot, a clot, and that clot when goes into the brain you get a partial paralysis, so that you do not move any further. Your attention is taken to it. Then you start thinking of God, thinking of all the things and maybe then if you come to Sahaja Yoga you get cured because again your Spirit forgives you. We are taking too much liberty with our Spirit. It is true God has given you freedom and He is not going to take away your freedom at any cost. You have to be absolutely free to choose whether to go to heaven or to go to hell. He is not going to force you. Only thing one can do is to explain to you and tell you that this is the way you go to hell. Even then if you want to go then what can anybody do about it? Even God, He doesn't want to challenge your freedom at all. He doesn't want to make you, in any way bound to Him, like some people are, bound just bound, without understanding. But He wants your complete liberation. So the first stage is that you have to choose your liberation through your own freedom of choice. Now, up to this point, till you were human beings, there was no choice for you, but after becoming a human being you were given the choice because you could develop well to understand what is right and wrong in your own freedom, so that you can enter into the Kingdom of God as people who are free and have chosen good in their own glory and in their own freedom. This is the only small little step where we always confuse our freedom with our ego. For example, now, this hall is here say, for me to speak. Somebody comes from outside who has been sort of worked up in some sort of an organization and he thinks he is doing the greatest work in the whole world in such a myth. Comes down here in that ego state, sits down here and asks me questions after questions, questions after questions, questions after questions, doesn't allow anybody else to speak, takes away all my time to himself as if this hall is booked by him and all the audience is gathered by him. He is least bother as to see that this is an ego that is working. So we should not confuse our freedom with ego, that's what I have to give you a counsel. Try to differentiate your ego from your freedom. When you are ego bound, you are a slave of your ego. When you are super ego bound, you are slave of your super ego, of your conditioning. For example, you are born a Christian, you are a Christian you are bound forever then. All right, you are a Christian but what about real Christianity within you. What about your rebirth in the real sense of the word. So you become enslaved to these things, so there is no freedom. And Spirit is the freedom, is the free being within us. It is detached. It cannot be killed. It cannot be blown away. It cannot be burnt away. It is eternal. Anand. It is eternal. That Spirit is joy. That Spirit is the source of joy. That emits joy. Joy is different from happiness and unhappiness. Ego, when it feels pampered, it feels happy. I like it, I like it. This "I" business is ego pampering that is no joy. Because you like to drink today and tomorrow you don't like to have a headache. It has the double side of I like and I don't like. You like something through your ego, dislike through your super ego. So it is a one coin and there are two faces, one is happiness and another is unhappiness. Joy is beyond that. Joy is a drama seer, is a witness. You see a drama. You know it's a drama going on. You just watch it as a drama. You're not involved and you are seeing it and enjoying it. You are crying if you see something, you're weeping but you know you are not that, it's a drama. Seer, the witness. Your Spirit is the witness and when you become the Spirit you become the witness. You become the witness. For example, you are seeing something through a window. There is something exists in the window for example. Now you enter inside the room and you see through the window. Your conditioning is like one way arising in you as a thought, which comes from the past. It rises again and another thought comes up and goes in the past. First the past thought is there and then another future thought is there it disappears. You see the thought rising but you can't see a disappearing of the thought. In between, that is the present. That's the place is established, that present is established when your attention becomes enlightened by the Spirit. Either you think of the future or of the past. But I say 'now', at this moment, at the present. You cannot stand there because your Spirit is not enlightened. Because Spirit is the present. When you get your Realization, you find that you are not thinking of the future or the past, you are just enjoying. Everything becomes different. The whole life becomes a drama and the joy out of it starts coming out and you really enjoy small, small things here and there and you really understand how much joy was lost before Realization. This is not a mental thing that gives you joy but the joy pours on you from your head just like this, cool thing starts pouring down. As some people have a feeling of a tension rising up, it's the same way, a cool sort of thing, flow of joy you feel in your whole body pours out. Sometimes this cool breeze that rises in the head also starts becoming like a fountain pouring down that joy within you. You look at the pictures, are examples see this star of Moses. You David star you see that when you see than you can think about it or else just watch this. Watch it and don't think. The joy of the creation of that thing, whole thing, becomes one with you. Like all the creation around a lake is completely felt in the lake if the lake has no ripples. Completely. In the same way, all that is joy, the creator, whosoever it may be has put there. You get the complete joy within yourself because there is no thought. There is no barrier. No conditioning. The whole thing becomes one with you and you start feeling extremely happy. Extremely joyous. A feeling, which is indescribable. It is to be just enjoyed, to be felt. Like Kabira was asked, "Why don't you speak now?" So he says in Hindi language, he is one of the terrific poets we have, he says, "Jab mast huye to kya huye. When I have gone into the nectar of the intoxication of the Spirit, now what can I talk. There no word. No cup can fill this joy, no words can fill this meaning. You better be with me and get it and enjoy yourself." That's all he could say. That's what I say, the narrow vision has closed your eyes to so many things. Even Christ you cannot understand. About Christ it is written in Devi Mahatmya, about Maha Vishnu, all His life is written, if you can read it you can find out that before coming on this earth you will see how He was created, what powers He was given, how He is the Son and all that is written. But for us, only you think that Bible is the authority. It is. But even to understand that Bible, as I told you, to understand Gita you better get your Realization. In the same way to understand that Bible also you have to get your Realization. The One about Whom it is described had never been to a school. None of them have been to any school. For the first time in this life I have learnt this English language. I never knew this language in any one of my lives before. Because I knew I have to talk to you. And I have to tell you about Spirit in this language. But to understand it, we have to read ancient scriptures. Beautiful ancient scripture are there which describes the nature of the Spirit. It is said that Spirit has got three qualities. Satchitananda - Sat, chit, Ananda. Sat means truth, chit means attention. Anand means joy. Sat is the truth. What is the truth now? If you see something white it is the truth, all right. But what is the truth of this shawl. A realized soul can know not you because his Spirit is enlightened. He sees the fifth dimension of this shawl. Let him hold it in his hands and he will know that this is Mother's shawl. Immediately he'll feel those cool vibrations coming out of it. He'll know that this is Mother's shawl. That is the truth. The four dimensions, which we know of, is not the truth but the fifth one which is the truth, which is the Spirit. Sitting down here you can find out anybody what is he suffering from what are his problems, what are his chakras, it is absolute. This knowledge is absolute. If you have five or ten children who are realized and if you tied her eyes and ask them about a patient, which is he suffering from, they will all raise their fingers this or this or this or all of them, whatever maybe the case. All of them will raise the same fingers it is absolute knowledge. It cannot be argued. It cannot be refuted. It is what it is. And also today, the man may be having these problems; tomorrow he may not have at all. So then whatever was there is finished whatever is today that's what they are going to tell you, so this is the truth. The rest is all is a myth, is false. I was once going in Kashmir driving through some very remote corner and suddenly I felt tremendous vibrations in the air and I asked the driver "Is there any temple here or something?" /ecause in Kashmir there are many temples which are vibrating. So many things have come out of the Mother Earth, as it said in the Ten Commandment that "Thou shalt not worship anything that is created by the Mother Earth, reproduced and worshipped." There are many in Kashmir like that. So, I asked him and he said "No there is no temple, there are no Hindus live in this area. I said but still I feel tremendous vibration so my husband told driver "All right, let's go the way she says." So, we followed about three miles and we reached a colony of people who were Muslims living there. When we asked, "Is there any temple here?", he said, "No, but there is one great mosque." "What mosque is that?" called as "Hazrat Iqbal." That means one hair of Hazrat Mohammad Sahib of Mohammad Sahib one hair was there. And even now to take His name, the vibrations start flowing. How can I deny Him? He was the truth. Spirit will not deny. It is the falsehood that denies all these real people. It is the Spirit, that gives you the truth, which integrates all that is truth and throws away that is untruth. That's why you must get your Spirit. Before that anybody talks to you about God, about anything they can even crucify. They are such stupid foolish people that they can do anything. They'll argue with you they'll fight with you, they'll do all kinds of stupid things but understand you. This is what my father told me that, "You have to find out an 'en masse' method, a method by which you give Realization to many people so that they can see that there is something beyond. They are all standing on the first floor. If you are born on the tenth floor and you tell them something that you see on the tenth floor, they're not going to believe you, they will fight with you, they'll quarrel with you, they'll pull you down because their ego is challenged all the time. So, best thing is to transform them, give them 'en masse' Realization". That is what is the Spirit is that every one of you have got Spirit but it was very difficult in those days to give 'en masse' Realization, the blossom time had not come. Today, the blossoms time has come. And the wind that blows the cool wind gives Realization to so many of them. Thousands of people have got Realization, you also many of you have got your Realization. So, this Spirit is established, you feel you are something different now. The transformation has started, the baptism has been done in the actual sense. and you start feeling its moving, you feel the cool breeze. Now, when you take to your collective being, you become one with the others also. You try to give. Now you are taking from me when I go, you stand here and give. When the light, the lamp is not enlightened, then all right try to enlighten it. After enlightenment what does the light do, is to give the light. Spirit gives you, your meaning. Spirit gives you your understanding of the truth that is reality not unreal things, me you cannot understand if you are not Realized you cannot I'm just like you, there is no difference. But those who are Realized know about me very well. Even living in Ramuln. A saint who met one of the Sahaja Yoginis, she was American, and he just bowed to her and made her sit higher than him and said, you have met Mother. I have not yet met Her. And she was surprised that, "How did you know all these things?" There are so many saints in India who are real saints, who know about me. But those who are very close to me also, because you know my husband is highly placed in life and we have friends of very elite and ver- I have seen all Prime Ministers of the world, I’ve met them and I’ve met all sorts of kings and queens and this and that and every day I am shaking hands with them. They don’t know me, they don’t recognize me. There was a gentleman who we knew very well he is now the President of the High Court, World High Court and, I mean, we knew him very well a great friend of my husband’s and all that, and suddenly he saw, his wife saw my photograph with one of the Maharajas place, one of the Maharajas having in his pocket. So the Maharaja suddenly took it out the photograph and put it to his eyes and put it back. So she said, "What is this? Such and such lady, I know her very well". He said, "Yes, but don’t you know she is the Mataji, who has cured me of my heart trouble". She said, "Really? I didn’t know she was a Mataji or anything. She comes to the party, she’s very quiet. She just sits quietly. I never even heard her speaking. For the last 25 years I know, she speaks very little. Oh God, she gives lectures and there are thousands of people. Can she speak?" She was surprised. "We have never seen her speaking anything. I won’t even be able to recognize her voice even my husband of course speaks a lot and her husband speaks a lot, I also speak but I have never heard her speaking anything, she just keeps quiet, sometimes amusing to herself. She seems to be a dignified lady but otherwise she never makes any efforts to impress us or anyway tell us that she is Mataji". Immediately the husband got such a shock and he immediately telephoned to my husband, "I never knew she was Mataji. It was such a thing. You knew I am a seeker, I’m a seeker, a seeker". And he said that. So my husband said, "She’s now in Delhi, go and meet her". Immediately he sent for me and he got his Realization in five minutes. But his wife didn’t get it. So, he sent her back. He sent her by plane, that "You'd better get it. This is the thing one has to get". Now the emphasis that you have to be your Spirit is very much reduced in the modern society. Emphasis should be that your Spirit is to be achieved in this life time. This is what one has to do, is the only thing one have to do, that is not there in the western societies. Secondly for this you have to control your attention, don't allow your attention to spill out. I hope I told you the story of Janaka did I tell them I do not know but I'll again repeat Like there was a Raja Janaka, the father of Sita father-in-law of Rama.And Narada went to him, another celestial being, he went to see him and he said, How is it, you are a king and you move about like a king, you have everything like a king, you have gold and everything and how is it people say that you are [unclear] above all these things, above your body? How is it?" He said, "All right, I will tell you in the evening, but just now you do me a job. You carry some milk in this pot." The pot had no rim also. So poor fellow was carrying that. The whole day he was carrying got tired. He said don't allow even a drop to spill out. He was looking at it all the time. In the evening he got tired and put it there and he said, "Now will you tell me, I've had enough of this." He said, "What did you see when you were moving about?" He said, "Nothing, what could I see? I was just watching this milk that it should not spill out." He said, "In the same way I am at that stage where my attention does not spill out." That is the state you are achieving your Self-Realization, where the attention is completely enlightened by your Spirit. It doesn't envelope anything like that and even if it goes round it comes back as it is. My hand when it touches it, it doesn't become this metal, does it? It comes out. It's absolutely detached from this. I can touch it but I am not that. Just now I am matter. I am everything, I am worried about my children my house this thing, but when I become realized I get completely detached. I am a spiritual living being. Then nothing can keep you down, nothing can dominate you. And you do not dominate anything. That is the state of the Spirit. When that happens you become beyond dharma sustenance, you are beyond it. For example there is no temptation for such a person. There's no temptation. There is no mental activity either there is no stealing nor telling lies. Such a person is extremely honest and fearless, like Christ. He had nothing to do with the prostitute. I mean she was a different style, He was a different style. But when people started stoning the prostitute He stood up before them and asked, who are the ones who have not committed the sin? They could have stoned Him. This His honesty and His strength stopped it. They will stand by all those who are tortured and troubled by people who are oppressive. They are not afraid of anything. They are fearless people.Neither they frighten anyone. They are compassionate. But when it comes to protesting they stand up fearlessly against those who try to torture and ruin others. There is no oppression. Even I cannot force you to get Realization. I cannot argue it out with you. It has to work out. It is as simple as that. If you do not want it, you can never get it. Out of question. So there is and us I say, if you don’t want it, you better go away But still some obstinate people will sit there. No, I’ll sit here. For what? Such people also give out very bad vibrations to others and they disturb others getting their Realization, it is satanic. Still I make them sit all right sit down. You cannot force it. It’s a light within you a flicker. And the analogy could be, like the gas. That rises and touches the flicker and the whole gas gets enlightened. The flicker is awake all the time and watching. Then the whole thing becomes the truth. Truth is very different from what we know as truth. Is a new dimension, by which we know this is the truth and this is not the truth. You can ask any questions when you are connected with your Spirit. Ask any question. Ask the question about me. Then ask the question about Christ, about Moses, about God. Ask any question. And when the answer is yes, you will get cool breeze coming into you. If you ask any negative questions, you lose your vibrations. Might get tingling, might get heat. Because now your computer is connected with the Absolute and the rapport has been established of the truth. This is a new awareness you get by which you become aware of truth which is the vibratory awareness. Through vibrations a child also can know. There are many children who are born Realized. And they know where is the Kundalini. They know. They will tell you where is the Kundalini. It’s the truth. Because they know the truth. For that you don’t need too much of mental development. They are very dignified. They understand it better than many elderly people and people who are placed very highly in life. Christ has already said that rich men are not going to enter into the Kingdom of God. He has already said because they are running. But I would say even those who think they know a lot, all knowing, they will not enter. Because they do not want to enter. They know everything. They do not want to enter inside. They want to carry their mind everywhere. They want to carry their car inside the hall. How they will enter inside? They are not willing to keep their mind outside because they are always dependent on that mind which has given them nothing. But to achieve Spirit you have to come there ego-lessly, to receive. The light of your being is going to enlighten the whole thing. Your temple. And when this light comes in, when this line shines in you, then you can feel your collective consciousness, you can feel it, the cool breeze of the Spirit manifesting through you, is described in the Bible in very short but deep. But, Adi Shankaracharya has written such a big book, one is called as Saundarya Lahiri or Chaitanya Lahiri. It is not easy to talk about all these in such a short time. He wrote treaties of philosophy. Great personality he was called as Vivekachudamani. First of all he gave conscious the call. Where is your conscience? Vivekachudamani. Then he wrote many books and ultimately he wrote Saundarya Lahiri. In that he says it's only the description of the beauty of my Mother I can describe and in all details he has described nothing but The Mother. Her fingers, Her hands, Her movements and everything and what he saw how the vibrations move in Her, every words that She speaks. You have to read that book to understand Sahaja Yoga. It's very clearly given all these things. As I told you the other day, William Blake also has written about Sahaja Yoga very clearly. But unless and until you have Realization you cannot know the truth. So He’s the truth, “Sat”. Then is “Chit” is attention, He’s the attention. Your Spirit is the attention. Attention of God. God is attentive to you through your Spirit and when your attention is enlightened by Him that means you’ve come in the attention of God. You are looked after by God. All His powers flow into you. All His protection comes to you. You will be amazed there will here Sahaja Yogis will tell you. How they avoided accidents, what happened after accidents and miraculously how people are saved. It is nothing new to me. It is the minimum that can happen to a person. This is the minimum of minimum, because all the angels they take charge. You are on the stage, the angels are there to look after you. And you really start gradually feeling the presence of that blessing which is the attention of God. So He’s the “Chit”. ” Sat”, “Chit” and “Anand” He is the joy. He is the joy. Because God is joy. He created this universe not to make us serious and unhappy and sulky. See how many flowers, how many beautiful things, how many colours what He has created for us, for us to enjoy. He has created all this not to indulge into nonsense, into filth, into dirt, the dirt of the mind, the sin, the filthy ideas. But to have a clean heart and to have a clean morality within us. He has created this beautiful world for us to enjoy without that you cannot enjoy, you cannot enjoy unless and until you have a clean morality within you, you cannot enjoy yourself. And that joy is your own once you get your Realization. This joy is the compassion and grace of God. When the Kundalini first rises through one small little thread, She touches the Brahmarandra here, just one thread. She opens and the grace and joy. Because here is the seat of Sadashiva, here is the seat of your Spirit. When it touches the Spirit, that seat, the flow of the grace starts coming on your sympathetic nervous system and you feel relaxed. First thing happens to you, you feel relaxed. Is the grace. Only one thread has reached and then the flow that is flowing today this one is the Brahma is the power of God flowing through you. This is what you have to get. This is what you’ve to remember, somebody touched Christ and the power went. For us it is necessary to know that we are the first Australians to get Realization. You are the first people to get it. And it’s a great responsibility on you, all of you who have got Realization today and before, to keep it strong. Make it into a tree, because you are responsible for all the progeny that is going to come to this beautiful land of yours by which you are blessed. So this is the beautiful place and beautiful people, so many children of mine. Today is the last day. It’s a very sad thing that one has to say good-bye. I hope you all will make it convenient to come and see me on Sunday. I’ll be looking forward to you. Here I will try to cure you also if you have any problems, but don’t bring all the hospitals there. I will teach you how to cure and how to give Realization. Best thing is you bring the case to me and I will tell you how to cure yourself because if you are Realized souls, you can cure also. We always in India do, when a cancer patient comes in, we call one of his relations, give him Realization, teach him how to cure cancer and he looks after the patient. Because that’s the best way one can do it. He can give Realization, to that person he can look after better, he knows the person better and it works out much better that way. So I hope you’ll make it convenient to come and see me. I must say, I was very much impressed by Sydney people who have been so kind to come here and listen and get their Realization. I have to say that because I am a mother. I cannot just leave it to your senses. I have to ask, I have to request you. I have to be very, very patient with you, extremely patient and loving so that you listen to me and take your Realization. I have to actually go to you to do that. It’s all right, that is mother’s job, only mother can do it. When Christ will come, He will take His eleven powers and He will just sort you out. Before that, please, have yourself completely judged through your own Kundalini awakening and work it out. Those people who have came with ideas of their own should just go and see for themselves what they have achieved by these ideas. There have been so many organizations, one after another. There is no way to organize God. Better organize yourself through your Spirit, which is the absolute. May God Bless You! Please put your hands towards Me and close your eyes. Those who are still struggling with your questions, I’ll tell you that I went to Melbourne and not a single question was asked, and all of them got realization and I’ve seen those who ask questions never get Realization and they disturb others also who start thinking on their lines and get ruined. It’s very sinful to do that to others. So please try to get your Realization and understand. Questioning has never helped you. Please keep your questions to yourself. Ask them to Me some other time. Just now, get your Realization. Some people who have been to gurus and all that will feel tremendous heat in the body. Possibly, they may feel some sort of a pressure on their necks. If they have been taken to mantras or wrong things, they might feel it. Everybody is welcome in Sahaja Yoga. Whatever wrong has to be brought outside. That is very important. For Me it is important that you get your pure spirit. Please close your eyes, just close your eyes and do not analyze anything. Even if you have problems with your vibrations, do not worry about it. If it gets too much heat then you can just throw it away, twice, thrice as if you are throwing away water. It will work out. Those who came for the first time may not feel cool breeze, which will definitely come some day. All are welcome. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. The first center is the center of Christ. You have to forgive. All forgiving. Say, I forgive, I forgive, I forgive. Specially those who have been professing, unauthorized about Christ without Realization, damage this center very badly. So you have to ask for forgiveness from Christ for that. Or from any other, like Moses or Krishna or anyone who you have been worshipping without any authority. Without any Realization you have no authority. Misidentifications can be corrected. For example power’s the same. Supposing you are a Muslim, you can ask the question, Mother are you Mohammad? Just ask it. You are a Christian, you can ask a question, Mother are you Jesus? Just ask the question. Because power is the same. I am here at the integrating point. So just ask the question. It will work it out. Ask Christ from your heart. Just ask the question. From your heart. Not just for making fun, from your heart, just ask the question. If you are a real seeker and a true person and honest to yourself, you will ask a question from your heart. But if you are frivolous and you have come here just to be a frivolous person then nothing is going to happen. Just ask a question like that. Any question of that kind you can ask Me. Put your hand on your heart. Left hand towards Me. Right hand on your heart. Now ask for forgiveness. If you have done anything wrong in your seeking without your knowledge or with your knowledge you have to ask for forgiveness from God almighty. He’s the ocean of forgiveness. He’s the ocean of Grace, ocean of compassion. You have to ask for His forgiveness and do not get any guilt with it. That is very important. Once you have asked for forgiveness, you are forgiven. As I have already told you that Christ has suffered for you and He has taken responsibility of absolving your sins. Once your Kundalini passes through that center your sins are absolved So do not form any guilt after saying that, please forgive me. You need not say precisely but in general that please forgive me if I have done anything wrong against you in my ignorance or in my knowledge. In all humility you have to ask for forgiveness. Ask for it thrice. That’s all. You cleanse your heart of all burdens, of so called repentance and mistakes that you have committed. Say it thrice. Now ask a question, ‘Mother, am I the spirit?’ Please ask the question, ‘Mother, am I the spirit?’ Ask twelve times. It is a very subtle happening. So you may start feeling the cool breeze on your fingers. It is very subtle, while you are a person suddenly become that subtle being. Just ask the question. You become that subtle being. Like an egg becomes a chick. There’s nothing in the egg. Same way you become the subtle being. You become subtler. Ask the question ‘Am I the spirit.’ ‘Mother, am I the spirit?’ Now ask for your Realization. ‘Mother please give me my Realization and sustain my Realization, let me grow in my spirit. Do not feel guilty. Just say I am not guilty. Ask for realization. Mother give us our Realization. In a very simple way. Do not feel guilty about anything. Not at all. That’s your right to have your Realization. You have to desire. Your desire is weaker so there is no action. You have to desire from your heart. Your left side is weaker. Put both hands towards Me now let’s see. You are getting more vibrations on your right hand, less on the left. You can raise your left hand like this if it is less, you can raise your left hand like this. Do it seven times with the right hand. Just see how this [UNCLEAR] on top of your head. Good better. Now raise the Kundalini. Now see yourself how to raise the Kundalini. You can see in the photograph inside it is Me and you’ll see how to raise the Kundalini. Now you tie it up. You will feel it. Let’s raise it again. No the other way around. Do it like that. Do it thrice. Now you’ll feel it better. You feel very relaxed. That’s what it is. Its all right, balanced now. Both the sides. Mostly you feel the left side, in any society which is western, is weak. Because of the desire is less. As I told you the desire to achieve the spirit is less. We don’t want action than the desire so you have to raise the left side and put it to the right. You’ll find the Cool Breeze on your head. It’s there. Now you can take it down also like this. Good idea. Put down the pressure on the Mother Earth. Raising and put it down. Again. Do it seven times. You will feel much better. Because now your hands are now emitting the Cool Breeze. Do it with respect to yourself. See now, if you have done seven times. Feel very relaxed. No thought in your mind. I hope you will all make it convenient to come on Sunday and whatever I will tell you, whatever needs to be done. Thank you very much. May God bless you all.

Public programme, Sydney (Australia), 3 April 1981. The other day, I told you about the center of Christ and the center of Shri Krishna and their relationship with each other. Now the last and the most important one within us is the center of Sahasrara is the limbic area. When you enter into it, you become thoughtlessly aware. This is the area to be entered through the Kundalini, through the center of Christ, through the Gate of Christ and that's why it is written that you have to enter through Him. But not by somebody else saying, "I'm the Christ" or he saying, "I profess Christ and Christ" It's not that way. Christ is within us and when the Kundalini rises, if it stops at this center, you have to take his name. Not the people who are not Realized, but Realized people have to chant his name, then only the Kundalini pierces through that center of Christ. That's the door, that's the gate He's talked about, and then you enter into the Kingdom of God. "Thou shalt inherit the Kingdom of God." Inherit. That's your Father's Kingdom and that you have to inherit. But now the most important is the last center of Sahasrara where you have all the seven centers placed one after another. These centers are really the seats of all the Deities we have talked about. The seats are in the brain. Their aura is around the heart but they are actually sleeping in the "sthanas" as we call, the places of centers. So, it is in three ways you can understand. Now one. In the brain, there are seven centers of the seats and their auras are falling on the heart. Their places are in the center. And the first stage of the awakening of the Kundalini only these Deities get awakened. That means when you chant any word or you call Them by name, they react, in the sense that they open the chakras. You can feel it; you can see it clearly with your own eyes the Kundalini rising through them. Then later on, when you grow more and more, these Deities leave Their places and occupy Their seats and even the Spirit, which is in the heart, comes up here on the fontanel bone area where there is the heart, seat of the heart center, which is the heart here, opened goes there. But it is at a much later state, that state at a much later time, we can say much later state of your mind it's a, you get into that speed in which you just achieve that state. It is an achievement. It cannot be a false certificate from somebody or one can say this is written in the book. So this and this. There's no calculation like that. It has to mature in its living way and you yourself will know that you have got now complete Self-realization. First thing you get, is thoughtless awareness. With this you cross the Gate of Christ. You can cure people, you can raise the Kundalini. You may also be able to give Realization to people. But still, you are capable of falling out. Supposing somebody, a person comes with negative forces and fanaticism. He may encompass you and you may go down. But the second state is called as the doubtless awareness. If you rise into that, then you have no doubts whatsoever. You never fall down. Maybe your Kundalini comes and goes and supplies and sometimes you can feel the catches, it’s all right. But after that, you are so sure of yourself and of your achievement, your Self-realization that you never fall off. But the last one is the very important thing where many Sahaja yogis also falter, is the integration. For example, somebody’s born a Christian, he’s born. He could have been born a Hindu; he could have been born anything. He could have been Muslim. Muslim I have seen one fanatic, like a Muslim if he a fanatic he is born today as a fanatic Hindu or a fanatic Christian, these are all fanatics. They go from one swing to another swing and they profess. He will have Koran in his hand, this fellow will have Bible in his hand and another will have Gita in his hand, three of them are fighting. He says, "I’m correct". He says, "I’m correct" and he says, "I’m correct". Now what is the authority? Even of these books, people will ask, "What is the authority of the Bible? What is the authority of the Gita and what is the authority of the Koran?" They’ll say what is the authority of The Old Testament? If they ask authority, what is the answer? And you can ask what is my authority? You must ask this question. In the beginning people do ask what is my authority. My authority is that I give you Realization. And you ask the question, “Mother are you the authority?” You get vibrations. This is my authority. Then you will understand why Bible is right, Koran is right and Gita is right. Because of the narrow vision we have, if they are born as a Christian then they’ll stick into it. If you are Catholics you will be Protestants, if you are Protestants you’ll become a 7th Day Adventist, Pentecostals, this, that, born again, this, that nonsense. We go on ending up like that in a Christian genealogy, from one madness to another madness achieving nothing, believing into some sort of a theoretical thing like 7th Day Adventist. I can’t understand it. These theories and these things are not going to give you living experience, which is beyond rationality, which is beyond mind, which is Baptism, the real sense of the word, where you get this breeze in the hand, of the Holy Spirit. But we want to play about with these things with our narrow visions now see one case of Christ. Christ was definitely, as I told you, was Pranava, Omkara, everything was there, no doubt. But when He was born, there was signs and everything. Despite all that there was a king who wanted to kill Him. See the negativity. No intellectual accepted Him. No bureaucrat accepted Him, no educated person accepted Him. He had to actually beg of those very ordinary, mediocre people like fishermen to come and become His disciples. See the situation. And He was allowed to live only for 4 years by these horrible people. They may be born today as Christians and must be saying we are Christians and Christ and Christ and Christ. That’s why Christ has said I will not recognize you. They might be the people who might have crucified Christ. And they’re again crucifying Him by denying the living force of the living God. Four years. Now, what can you do in four years? I told you four years, with all my powers, I was struggling with six hippies giving them Realization in London city. He never even thought of giving Realization because He thought first of all they have no brains even to understand what is Realization. Whatever He said, He said it very precise and deep. If anything that is narrow has to be deep. Which cannot go into the heads of people who just listen to sermons and lectures and read books and sort of have big theories built up into anything. It will only be possible when you get your Realization, when you get your collective consciousness, when you become baptized. Then only you will be able to see what He talked about. Before that it's only mental activity, quarrelling, fighting and living on artificial things. How long are you going to do like that? Your forefathers did it and their forefathers did it and their forefathers have done it. Now is it not time for you to see that a new age has come? What are you going to lose by that? You form organizations false and false and false. There should be some honesty about it. Just talking talking morning till evening, you are not going to receive any knowledge about Christ I can tell you. This narrow vision of Christianity has killed Christ and Christianity good. The narrow vision of Jews has killed Moses and Abraham. The narrow vision of Krishna and the narrow vision of all these people has killed them. They have dead in them. Your children are going to challenge you. They are going to ask you, what foolish things you have been doing all your lives. They are going to ask you why did you do it? Have you any answer to give? For that one has to understand that we have now found our absolute. You be honest yourself. Have you found your absolute? We have not yet found our absolute. That's what you have to find. You are to be born again. Not to certificate yourself that I am born again. I have seen many people, I am born again. Really? How do you say? Can you feel the chakras of another person? Are you collectively conscious? Can you feel your own chakras? Can you clarify yourself is there any transformation? No transformation. Then you have among Jews also very fanatic people. Muslims have lost even the recognition of God's mercy and compassion. It is such a sad state. At this sad state and confusion, there has to be the integrating force. And that integrating force is your Spirit. That integration takes place in this seventh chakra of Sahasrara. All the seven centers are there and all the centers are coordinated and co-related and that's how, at the seventh chakra only you can get your Realization. He didn't allow any one of them to say anything about it. If they try to say anything you brake bright out of the book, oh see this book is written it is written in so and so and this is written so and so. Say for example when Christ was born. It was said that a child will be born to a girl. Kanya. In Sanskrit language it's Kanya. Now in England there was a controversy about it, Now I think the Jews started it maybe, I don't know who started it. Or maybe the Muslims. God only knows. They go into all these details of that thing to find out they said it was not said that He will be born of virgin but it was said of the girl. So, one of the Sahaja Yogi wrote a nice letter to them, of course under my guidance saying that at the time when Christ was born, even before that, this prophecy was made and that time, a girl meant a virgin. These are not modern times when a woman who is divorced 10 times and 80 years is her age, and she's still called as 'my girl'. These are foolish stupid modern times where there's no difference between a girl and a woman. That time a girl meant, even today in India, Kanya means a virgin. Girl means a virgin. It's the same thing. All such things have been raised against either Christ or Moses or Mohammad or this and that. I mean there only busy raising things against each other, that's what they are doing. According to them, what they say is the truth? What have they found? First thing, can they cure cancer? Let's see, let's have this challenge. Can they give peace to anyone? Are they peaceful? Have they been able to get over their adulterous eyes? Any transformation? Nothing. So, accept it. Be honest with yourself. You have no business to cheat yourself, or anything whatsoever. If you are hypnotized awaken yourself, arise and find what is the best, absolute and the only thing that you have to find, your Spirit. Your Spirit resides in the heart. It is the reflection of God Almighty. It enjoys itself, by itself. It is the spectator of the world, of its power, The Holy Ghost. It watches you and is called as the knower of the fate. It knows what you are doing, what are your aspirations, what mistakes you are committing. It goes to a long extent to forgive and forgive and forgive. Forgiveness is one of the qualities of the Spirit. It forgives you and says it will work out. It will come around. But when you go too far, say if you pay too much attention to your physical being or to your mental being, if you try to think too much, the Spirit indicates its displeasure and you get a heart attack. Heart attack comes to you through displeasure of the Spirit. If the Spirit is angry with you, you get a heart attack. That means you've neglected your Spirit, you've paid attention to things which are not important. You have looked after things which are not important. You have not worried about yourself, about the Spirit, about your seeking. Even if you're lost, say in any fanatic behavior of reading some books and things and taking out certain things and remembering them by heart and having an argument and goes on later all that, in all genuineness and goodness but stupidity then also you can get heart attack. Heart is very important. It sometimes gives you first warning by giving you a partial paralysis because in the heart is sort of a, resentment is created by the Spirit which creates a clot, a clot, and that clot when goes into the brain you get a partial paralysis, so that you do not move any further. Your attention is taken to it. Then you start thinking of God, thinking of all the things and maybe then if you come to Sahaja Yoga you get cured because again your Spirit forgives you. We are taking too much liberty with our Spirit. It is true God has given you freedom and He is not going to take away your freedom at any cost. You have to be absolutely free to choose whether to go to heaven or to go to hell. He is not going to force you. Only thing one can do is to explain to you and tell you that this is the way you go to hell. Even then if you want to go then what can anybody do about it? Even God, He doesn't want to challenge your freedom at all. He doesn't want to make you, in any way bound to Him, like some people are, bound just bound, without understanding. But He wants your complete liberation. So the first stage is that you have to choose your liberation through your own freedom of choice. Now, up to this point, till you were human beings, there was no choice for you, but after becoming a human being you were given the choice because you could develop well to understand what is right and wrong in your own freedom, so that you can enter into the Kingdom of God as people who are free and have chosen good in their own glory and in their own freedom. This is the only small little step where we always confuse our freedom with our ego. For example, now, this hall is here say, for me to speak. Somebody comes from outside who has been sort of worked up in some sort of an organization and he thinks he is doing the greatest work in the whole world in such a myth. Comes down here in that ego state, sits down here and asks me questions after questions, questions after questions, questions after questions, doesn't allow anybody else to speak, takes away all my time to himself as if this hall is booked by him and all the audience is gathered by him. He is least bother as to see that this is an ego that is working. So we should not confuse our freedom with ego, that's what I have to give you a counsel. Try to differentiate your ego from your freedom. When you are ego bound, you are a slave of your ego. When you are super ego bound, you are slave of your super ego, of your conditioning. For example, you are born a Christian, you are a Christian you are bound forever then. All right, you are a Christian but what about real Christianity within you. What about your rebirth in the real sense of the word. So you become enslaved to these things, so there is no freedom. And Spirit is the freedom, is the free being within us. It is detached. It cannot be killed. It cannot be blown away. It cannot be burnt away. It is eternal. Anand. It is eternal. That Spirit is joy. That Spirit is the source of joy. That emits joy. Joy is different from happiness and unhappiness. Ego, when it feels pampered, it feels happy. I like it, I like it. This "I" business is ego pampering that is no joy. Because you like to drink today and tomorrow you don't like to have a headache. It has the double side of I like and I don't like. You like something through your ego, dislike through your super ego. So it is a one coin and there are two faces, one is happiness and another is unhappiness. Joy is beyond that. Joy is a drama seer, is a witness. You see a drama. You know it's a drama going on. You just watch it as a drama. You're not involved and you are seeing it and enjoying it. You are crying if you see something, you're weeping but you know you are not that, it's a drama. Seer, the witness. Your Spirit is the witness and when you become the Spirit you become the witness. You become the witness. For example, you are seeing something through a window. There is something exists in the window for example. Now you enter inside the room and you see through the window. Your conditioning is like one way arising in you as a thought, which comes from the past. It rises again and another thought comes up and goes in the past. First the past thought is there and then another future thought is there it disappears. You see the thought rising but you can't see a disappearing of the thought. In between, that is the present. That's the place is established, that present is established when your attention becomes enlightened by the Spirit. Either you think of the future or of the past. But I say 'now', at this moment, at the present. You cannot stand there because your Spirit is not enlightened. Because Spirit is the present. When you get your Realization, you find that you are not thinking of the future or the past, you are just enjoying. Everything becomes different. The whole life becomes a drama and the joy out of it starts coming out and you really enjoy small, small things here and there and you really understand how much joy was lost before Realization. This is not a mental thing that gives you joy but the joy pours on you from your head just like this, cool thing starts pouring down. As some people have a feeling of a tension rising up, it's the same way, a cool sort of thing, flow of joy you feel in your whole body pours out. Sometimes this cool breeze that rises in the head also starts becoming like a fountain pouring down that joy within you. You look at the pictures, are examples see this star of Moses. You David star you see that when you see than you can think about it or else just watch this. Watch it and don't think. The joy of the creation of that thing, whole thing, becomes one with you. Like all the creation around a lake is completely felt in the lake if the lake has no ripples. Completely. In the same way, all that is joy, the creator, whosoever it may be has put there. You get the complete joy within yourself because there is no thought. There is no barrier. No conditioning. The whole thing becomes one with you and you start feeling extremely happy. Extremely joyous. A feeling, which is indescribable. It is to be just enjoyed, to be felt. Like Kabira was asked, "Why don't you speak now?" So he says in Hindi language, he is one of the terrific poets we have, he says, "Jab mast huye to kya huye. When I have gone into the nectar of the intoxication of the Spirit, now what can I talk. There no word. No cup can fill this joy, no words can fill this meaning. You better be with me and get it and enjoy yourself." That's all he could say. That's what I say, the narrow vision has closed your eyes to so many things. Even Christ you cannot understand. About Christ it is written in Devi Mahatmya, about Maha Vishnu, all His life is written, if you can read it you can find out that before coming on this earth you will see how He was created, what powers He was given, how He is the Son and all that is written. But for us, only you think that Bible is the authority. It is. But even to understand that Bible, as I told you, to understand Gita you better get your Realization. In the same way to understand that Bible also you have to get your Realization. The One about Whom it is described had never been to a school. None of them have been to any school. For the first time in this life I have learnt this English language. I never knew this language in any one of my lives before. Because I knew I have to talk to you. And I have to tell you about Spirit in this language. But to understand it, we have to read ancient scriptures. Beautiful ancient scripture are there which describes the nature of the Spirit. It is said that Spirit has got three qualities. Satchitananda - Sat, chit, Ananda. Sat means truth, chit means attention. Anand means joy. Sat is the truth. What is the truth now? If you see something white it is the truth, all right. But what is the truth of this shawl. A realized soul can know not you because his Spirit is enlightened. He sees the fifth dimension of this shawl. Let him hold it in his hands and he will know that this is Mother's shawl. Immediately he'll feel those cool vibrations coming out of it. He'll know that this is Mother's shawl. That is the truth. The four dimensions, which we know of, is not the truth but the fifth one which is the truth, which is the Spirit. Sitting down here you can find out anybody what is he suffering from what are his problems, what are his chakras, it is absolute. This knowledge is absolute. If you have five or ten children who are realized and if you tied her eyes and ask them about a patient, which is he suffering from, they will all raise their fingers this or this or this or all of them, whatever maybe the case. All of them will raise the same fingers it is absolute knowledge. It cannot be argued. It cannot be refuted. It is what it is. And also today, the man may be having these problems; tomorrow he may not have at all. So then whatever was there is finished whatever is today that's what they are going to tell you, so this is the truth. The rest is all is a myth, is false. I was once going in Kashmir driving through some very remote corner and suddenly I felt tremendous vibrations in the air and I asked the driver "Is there any temple here or something?" /ecause in Kashmir there are many temples which are vibrating. So many things have come out of the Mother Earth, as it said in the Ten Commandment that "Thou shalt not worship anything that is created by the Mother Earth, reproduced and worshipped." There are many in Kashmir like that. So, I asked him and he said "No there is no temple, there are no Hindus live in this area. I said but still I feel tremendous vibration so my husband told driver "All right, let's go the way she says." So, we followed about three miles and we reached a colony of people who were Muslims living there. When we asked, "Is there any temple here?", he said, "No, but there is one great mosque." "What mosque is that?" called as "Hazrat Iqbal." That means one hair of Hazrat Mohammad Sahib of Mohammad Sahib one hair was there. And even now to take His name, the vibrations start flowing. How can I deny Him? He was the truth. Spirit will not deny. It is the falsehood that denies all these real people. It is the Spirit, that gives you the truth, which integrates all that is truth and throws away that is untruth. That's why you must get your Spirit. Before that anybody talks to you about God, about anything they can even crucify. They are such stupid foolish people that they can do anything. They'll argue with you they'll fight with you, they'll do all kinds of stupid things but understand you. This is what my father told me that, "You have to find out an 'en masse' method, a method by which you give Realization to many people so that they can see that there is something beyond. They are all standing on the first floor. If you are born on the tenth floor and you tell them something that you see on the tenth floor, they're not going to believe you, they will fight with you, they'll quarrel with you, they'll pull you down because their ego is challenged all the time. So, best thing is to transform them, give them 'en masse' Realization". That is what is the Spirit is that every one of you have got Spirit but it was very difficult in those days to give 'en masse' Realization, the blossom time had not come. Today, the blossoms time has come. And the wind that blows the cool wind gives Realization to so many of them. Thousands of people have got Realization, you also many of you have got your Realization. So, this Spirit is established, you feel you are something different now. The transformation has started, the baptism has been done in the actual sense. and you start feeling its moving, you feel the cool breeze. Now, when you take to your collective being, you become one with the others also. You try to give. Now you are taking from me when I go, you stand here and give. When the light, the lamp is not enlightened, then all right try to enlighten it. After enlightenment what does the light do, is to give the light. Spirit gives you, your meaning. Spirit gives you your understanding of the truth that is reality not unreal things, me you cannot understand if you are not Realized you cannot I'm just like you, there is no difference. But those who are Realized know about me very well. Even living in Ramuln. A saint who met one of the Sahaja Yoginis, she was American, and he just bowed to her and made her sit higher than him and said, you have met Mother. I have not yet met Her. And she was surprised that, "How did you know all these things?" There are so many saints in India who are real saints, who know about me. But those who are very close to me also, because you know my husband is highly placed in life and we have friends of very elite and ver- I have seen all Prime Ministers of the world, I’ve met them and I’ve met all sorts of kings and queens and this and that and every day I am shaking hands with them. They don’t know me, they don’t recognize me. There was a gentleman who we knew very well he is now the President of the High Court, World High Court and, I mean, we knew him very well a great friend of my husband’s and all that, and suddenly he saw, his wife saw my photograph with one of the Maharajas place, one of the Maharajas having in his pocket. So the Maharaja suddenly took it out the photograph and put it to his eyes and put it back. So she said, "What is this? Such and such lady, I know her very well". He said, "Yes, but don’t you know she is the Mataji, who has cured me of my heart trouble". She said, "Really? I didn’t know she was a Mataji or anything. She comes to the party, she’s very quiet. She just sits quietly. I never even heard her speaking. For the last 25 years I know, she speaks very little. Oh God, she gives lectures and there are thousands of people. Can she speak?" She was surprised. "We have never seen her speaking anything. I won’t even be able to recognize her voice even my husband of course speaks a lot and her husband speaks a lot, I also speak but I have never heard her speaking anything, she just keeps quiet, sometimes amusing to herself. She seems to be a dignified lady but otherwise she never makes any efforts to impress us or anyway tell us that she is Mataji". Immediately the husband got such a shock and he immediately telephoned to my husband, "I never knew she was Mataji. It was such a thing. You knew I am a seeker, I’m a seeker, a seeker". And he said that. So my husband said, "She’s now in Delhi, go and meet her". Immediately he sent for me and he got his Realization in five minutes. But his wife didn’t get it. So, he sent her back. He sent her by plane, that "You'd better get it. This is the thing one has to get". Now the emphasis that you have to be your Spirit is very much reduced in the modern society. Emphasis should be that your Spirit is to be achieved in this life time. This is what one has to do, is the only thing one have to do, that is not there in the western societies. Secondly for this you have to control your attention, don't allow your attention to spill out. I hope I told you the story of Janaka did I tell them I do not know but I'll again repeat Like there was a Raja Janaka, the father of Sita father-in-law of Rama.And Narada went to him, another celestial being, he went to see him and he said, How is it, you are a king and you move about like a king, you have everything like a king, you have gold and everything and how is it people say that you are [unclear] above all these things, above your body? How is it?" He said, "All right, I will tell you in the evening, but just now you do me a job. You carry some milk in this pot." The pot had no rim also. So poor fellow was carrying that. The whole day he was carrying got tired. He said don't allow even a drop to spill out. He was looking at it all the time. In the evening he got tired and put it there and he said, "Now will you tell me, I've had enough of this." He said, "What did you see when you were moving about?" He said, "Nothing, what could I see? I was just watching this milk that it should not spill out." He said, "In the same way I am at that stage where my attention does not spill out." That is the state you are achieving your Self-Realization, where the attention is completely enlightened by your Spirit. It doesn't envelope anything like that and even if it goes round it comes back as it is. My hand when it touches it, it doesn't become this metal, does it? It comes out. It's absolutely detached from this. I can touch it but I am not that. Just now I am matter. I am everything, I am worried about my children my house this thing, but when I become realized I get completely detached. I am a spiritual living being. Then nothing can keep you down, nothing can dominate you. And you do not dominate anything. That is the state of the Spirit. When that happens you become beyond dharma sustenance, you are beyond it. For example there is no temptation for such a person. There's no temptation. There is no mental activity either there is no stealing nor telling lies. Such a person is extremely honest and fearless, like Christ. He had nothing to do with the prostitute. I mean she was a different style, He was a different style. But when people started stoning the prostitute He stood up before them and asked, who are the ones who have not committed the sin? They could have stoned Him. This His honesty and His strength stopped it. They will stand by all those who are tortured and troubled by people who are oppressive. They are not afraid of anything. They are fearless people.Neither they frighten anyone. They are compassionate. But when it comes to protesting they stand up fearlessly against those who try to torture and ruin others. There is no oppression. Even I cannot force you to get Realization. I cannot argue it out with you. It has to work out. It is as simple as that. If you do not want it, you can never get it. Out of question. So there is and us I say, if you don’t want it, you better go away But still some obstinate people will sit there. No, I’ll sit here. For what? Such people also give out very bad vibrations to others and they disturb others getting their Realization, it is satanic. Still I make them sit all right sit down. You cannot force it. It’s a light within you a flicker. And the analogy could be, like the gas. That rises and touches the flicker and the whole gas gets enlightened. The flicker is awake all the time and watching. Then the whole thing becomes the truth. Truth is very different from what we know as truth. Is a new dimension, by which we know this is the truth and this is not the truth. You can ask any questions when you are connected with your Spirit. Ask any question. Ask the question about me. Then ask the question about Christ, about Moses, about God. Ask any question. And when the answer is yes, you will get cool breeze coming into you. If you ask any negative questions, you lose your vibrations. Might get tingling, might get heat. Because now your computer is connected with the Absolute and the rapport has been established of the truth. This is a new awareness you get by which you become aware of truth which is the vibratory awareness. Through vibrations a child also can know. There are many children who are born Realized. And they know where is the Kundalini. They know. They will tell you where is the Kundalini. It’s the truth. Because they know the truth. For that you don’t need too much of mental development. They are very dignified. They understand it better than many elderly people and people who are placed very highly in life. Christ has already said that rich men are not going to enter into the Kingdom of God. He has already said because they are running. But I would say even those who think they know a lot, all knowing, they will not enter. Because they do not want to enter. They know everything. They do not want to enter inside. They want to carry their mind everywhere. They want to carry their car inside the hall. How they will enter inside? They are not willing to keep their mind outside because they are always dependent on that mind which has given them nothing. But to achieve Spirit you have to come there ego-lessly, to receive. The light of your being is going to enlighten the whole thing. Your temple. And when this light comes in, when this line shines in you, then you can feel your collective consciousness, you can feel it, the cool breeze of the Spirit manifesting through you, is described in the Bible in very short but deep. But, Adi Shankaracharya has written such a big book, one is called as Saundarya Lahiri or Chaitanya Lahiri. It is not easy to talk about all these in such a short time. He wrote treaties of philosophy. Great personality he was called as Vivekachudamani. First of all he gave conscious the call. Where is your conscience? Vivekachudamani. Then he wrote many books and ultimately he wrote Saundarya Lahiri. In that he says it's only the description of the beauty of my Mother I can describe and in all details he has described nothing but The Mother. Her fingers, Her hands, Her movements and everything and what he saw how the vibrations move in Her, every words that She speaks. You have to read that book to understand Sahaja Yoga. It's very clearly given all these things. As I told you the other day, William Blake also has written about Sahaja Yoga very clearly. But unless and until you have Realization you cannot know the truth. So He’s the truth, “Sat”. Then is “Chit” is attention, He’s the attention. Your Spirit is the attention. Attention of God. God is attentive to you through your Spirit and when your attention is enlightened by Him that means you’ve come in the attention of God. You are looked after by God. All His powers flow into you. All His protection comes to you. You will be amazed there will here Sahaja Yogis will tell you. How they avoided accidents, what happened after accidents and miraculously how people are saved. It is nothing new to me. It is the minimum that can happen to a person. This is the minimum of minimum, because all the angels they take charge. You are on the stage, the angels are there to look after you. And you really start gradually feeling the presence of that blessing which is the attention of God. So He’s the “Chit”. ” Sat”, “Chit” and “Anand” He is the joy. He is the joy. Because God is joy. He created this universe not to make us serious and unhappy and sulky. See how many flowers, how many beautiful things, how many colours what He has created for us, for us to enjoy. He has created all this not to indulge into nonsense, into filth, into dirt, the dirt of the mind, the sin, the filthy ideas. But to have a clean heart and to have a clean morality within us. He has created this beautiful world for us to enjoy without that you cannot enjoy, you cannot enjoy unless and until you have a clean morality within you, you cannot enjoy yourself. And that joy is your own once you get your Realization. This joy is the compassion and grace of God. When the Kundalini first rises through one small little thread, She touches the Brahmarandra here, just one thread. She opens and the grace and joy. Because here is the seat of Sadashiva, here is the seat of your Spirit. When it touches the Spirit, that seat, the flow of the grace starts coming on your sympathetic nervous system and you feel relaxed. First thing happens to you, you feel relaxed. Is the grace. Only one thread has reached and then the flow that is flowing today this one is the Brahma is the power of God flowing through you. This is what you have to get. This is what you’ve to remember, somebody touched Christ and the power went. For us it is necessary to know that we are the first Australians to get Realization. You are the first people to get it. And it’s a great responsibility on you, all of you who have got Realization today and before, to keep it strong. Make it into a tree, because you are responsible for all the progeny that is going to come to this beautiful land of yours by which you are blessed. So this is the beautiful place and beautiful people, so many children of mine. Today is the last day. It’s a very sad thing that one has to say good-bye. I hope you all will make it convenient to come and see me on Sunday. I’ll be looking forward to you. Here I will try to cure you also if you have any problems, but don’t bring all the hospitals there. I will teach you how to cure and how to give Realization. Best thing is you bring the case to me and I will tell you how to cure yourself because if you are Realized souls, you can cure also. We always in India do, when a cancer patient comes in, we call one of his relations, give him Realization, teach him how to cure cancer and he looks after the patient. Because that’s the best way one can do it. He can give Realization, to that person he can look after better, he knows the person better and it works out much better that way. So I hope you’ll make it convenient to come and see me. I must say, I was very much impressed by Sydney people who have been so kind to come here and listen and get their Realization. I have to say that because I am a mother. I cannot just leave it to your senses. I have to ask, I have to request you. I have to be very, very patient with you, extremely patient and loving so that you listen to me and take your Realization. I have to actually go to you to do that. It’s all right, that is mother’s job, only mother can do it. When Christ will come, He will take His eleven powers and He will just sort you out. Before that, please, have yourself completely judged through your own Kundalini awakening and work it out. Those people who have came with ideas of their own should just go and see for themselves what they have achieved by these ideas. There have been so many organizations, one after another. There is no way to organize God. Better organize yourself through your Spirit, which is the absolute. May God Bless You! Please put your hands towards Me and close your eyes. Those who are still struggling with your questions, I’ll tell you that I went to Melbourne and not a single question was asked, and all of them got realization and I’ve seen those who ask questions never get Realization and they disturb others also who start thinking on their lines and get ruined. It’s very sinful to do that to others. So please try to get your Realization and understand. Questioning has never helped you. Please keep your questions to yourself. Ask them to Me some other time. Just now, get your Realization. Some people who have been to gurus and all that will feel tremendous heat in the body. Possibly, they may feel some sort of a pressure on their necks. If they have been taken to mantras or wrong things, they might feel it. Everybody is welcome in Sahaja Yoga. Whatever wrong has to be brought outside. That is very important. For Me it is important that you get your pure spirit. Please close your eyes, just close your eyes and do not analyze anything. Even if you have problems with your vibrations, do not worry about it. If it gets too much heat then you can just throw it away, twice, thrice as if you are throwing away water. It will work out. Those who came for the first time may not feel cool breeze, which will definitely come some day. All are welcome. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. The first center is the center of Christ. You have to forgive. All forgiving. Say, I forgive, I forgive, I forgive. Specially those who have been professing, unauthorized about Christ without Realization, damage this center very badly. So you have to ask for forgiveness from Christ for that. Or from any other, like Moses or Krishna or anyone who you have been worshipping without any authority. Without any Realization you have no authority. Misidentifications can be corrected. For example power’s the same. Supposing you are a Muslim, you can ask the question, Mother are you Mohammad? Just ask it. You are a Christian, you can ask a question, Mother are you Jesus? Just ask the question. Because power is the same. I am here at the integrating point. So just ask the question. It will work it out. Ask Christ from your heart. Just ask the question. From your heart. Not just for making fun, from your heart, just ask the question. If you are a real seeker and a true person and honest to yourself, you will ask a question from your heart. But if you are frivolous and you have come here just to be a frivolous person then nothing is going to happen. Just ask a question like that. Any question of that kind you can ask Me. Put your hand on your heart. Left hand towards Me. Right hand on your heart. Now ask for forgiveness. If you have done anything wrong in your seeking without your knowledge or with your knowledge you have to ask for forgiveness from God almighty. He’s the ocean of forgiveness. He’s the ocean of Grace, ocean of compassion. You have to ask for His forgiveness and do not get any guilt with it. That is very important. Once you have asked for forgiveness, you are forgiven. As I have already told you that Christ has suffered for you and He has taken responsibility of absolving your sins. Once your Kundalini passes through that center your sins are absolved So do not form any guilt after saying that, please forgive me. You need not say precisely but in general that please forgive me if I have done anything wrong against you in my ignorance or in my knowledge. In all humility you have to ask for forgiveness. Ask for it thrice. That’s all. You cleanse your heart of all burdens, of so called repentance and mistakes that you have committed. Say it thrice. Now ask a question, ‘Mother, am I the spirit?’ Please ask the question, ‘Mother, am I the spirit?’ Ask twelve times. It is a very subtle happening. So you may start feeling the cool breeze on your fingers. It is very subtle, while you are a person suddenly become that subtle being. Just ask the question. You become that subtle being. Like an egg becomes a chick. There’s nothing in the egg. Same way you become the subtle being. You become subtler. Ask the question ‘Am I the spirit.’ ‘Mother, am I the spirit?’ Now ask for your Realization. ‘Mother please give me my Realization and sustain my Realization, let me grow in my spirit. Do not feel guilty. Just say I am not guilty. Ask for realization. Mother give us our Realization. In a very simple way. Do not feel guilty about anything. Not at all. That’s your right to have your Realization. You have to desire. Your desire is weaker so there is no action. You have to desire from your heart. Your left side is weaker. Put both hands towards Me now let’s see. You are getting more vibrations on your right hand, less on the left. You can raise your left hand like this if it is less, you can raise your left hand like this. Do it seven times with the right hand. Just see how this [UNCLEAR] on top of your head. Good better. Now raise the Kundalini. Now see yourself how to raise the Kundalini. You can see in the photograph inside it is Me and you’ll see how to raise the Kundalini. Now you tie it up. You will feel it. Let’s raise it again. No the other way around. Do it like that. Do it thrice. Now you’ll feel it better. You feel very relaxed. That’s what it is. Its all right, balanced now. Both the sides. Mostly you feel the left side, in any society which is western, is weak. Because of the desire is less. As I told you the desire to achieve the spirit is less. We don’t want action than the desire so you have to raise the left side and put it to the right. You’ll find the Cool Breeze on your head. It’s there. Now you can take it down also like this. Good idea. Put down the pressure on the Mother Earth. Raising and put it down. Again. Do it seven times. You will feel much better. Because now your hands are now emitting the Cool Breeze. Do it with respect to yourself. See now, if you have done seven times. Feel very relaxed. No thought in your mind. I hope you will all make it convenient to come on Sunday and whatever I will tell you, whatever needs to be done. Thank you very much. May God bless you all.

4/4/1981

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Shri Ganesha and Shri Gauri Puja on the occasion of Gudi Padwa

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Shri Ganesha and Shri Gauri Puja. Sydney (Australia), 4 April 1981. Today is a very unique thing that is happened – is a special luck for Sahaja yogis of Australia. This day has never been celebrated before in the history of Sahaja Yoga. Today is the New Year’s Day for Sahaja yogis, because this is the New Year’s Day of the Shalivahan calendar. As you know, Shalivahan is My dynasty, and they are called as Shalivahan because they are the carriers of the shawls of the Goddess, they are called as the, because – as you are also carrying so many times My shawls around – and they were called as Shalivahan. So this New Year’s Day is the first day of advent of Goddess – the nine days there are. Then in another times that there are Satya Yug, then there’s Dvapara, Treta, Kali Yuga: there are four yugas. So in two yugas the Goddess incarnated, one before the Satya Yuga and one after it. So today is the day to mark absolutely the first day when She incarnated on this Earth. That’s the day also of the Gauri, because Virgin is the first form of the Goddess. And She created also Ganesha on Tuesday, just starting this week. What is the day? The day today is …? Today …. [Yogini: Today’s the fourth. Saturday, Mother. Saturday.] Saturday. Now, now, it’s over. Now don’t stay, all right? While I’m speaking you should not take My photographs. It’s a very wrong idea, because it disturbs Me. Moreover, you see, when the speaking, while I’m speaking and when you take My photograph sometimes I’ve seen they come out very odd. Best take photographs when I’m not speaking, you see, because all the time the sound is coming, everybody is distracted and the attention doesn’t fix, you see. Is a very important thing I’m talking, all right? Now don’t take any photographs, please. Pay attention to what I’m saying. [Hindi] So Tuesday is the day when Ganesha was established, and then the Goddess started working. The first one, the one day when She started is, was the Wednesday. She started working out on Wednesday. Wednesday is the action day, that’s why she started on Wednesday. Today is, under the circumstances it is Saturday; but I’m telling you about the original timings. Because Wednesday is the day of the Swadishthana, that’s the day She started working it out, the whole thing. So first, Tuesday is the first day in Sahaja Yoga, Wednesday is the second day. And you’ll be surprised that the stars are also the same, because Tuesday is the day of the Mars which is resided by Shri Ganesh. Wednesday is the day of Mercury, and Mercury is the Swadishthana. Third day – yes – third day is the day of Jupiter: what you call, we call it guru, is the day of the guru, is the Jupiter, is the teacher. Now, Friday is the day of the Goddess. Now see the chakras also, of the Goddess, Mother of the Earth, Mother of the Universe, Venus. But in Indian Sanskrit language the names of the days are exactly the same, tallying with the stars, so …. Then Saturday is the day of Shri Krishna – Shani, is Saturn. Then Sunday is the day of Christ, the Sun. Monday is the day of Sadashiva – is of realization, of integration. These are the seven days when God created the whole universe. That’s what I told yesterday, that in this narrow way you cannot understand Christianity. You’ll think it’s all mad, which is not. Only when you read other things, other scriptures, then only you will understand what Christ said. So today is the day of – first day – of when Ganesha was created, in the sense that, though today is not a Tuesday, but according to dates of the moon, today is the day, first day of the moon in this month. [Marathi]We call it Chaitra. Chaitra is the month. And this is the time when –[Marathi] – Gauri is the Chaitra. So the establishment of the Gauri is taken place during these nine days. But Ganesha has to be established before anything else. Though first Gauri had to come, you can see that. Gauri had to come first to establish Ganesha. But Ganesha is always put before even Gauri. Before the pujana of the, worship of the Ganesha, nothing starts; because He’s the one who takes out all the obstacles, all the negativities, all the hurdles that are going to come up, all the attentions that are here and there. So that’s why we first worship Ganesha, just to ask Him to protect us. But first the Gauri has to come, and that’s how the Gauri is this nine days. She came on this Earth to fight the devils and demons, negativity, for people to transcend the Bhavasagara, the Void, the maya, the illusion. When they were praying, when they were doing anything, people used to obstruct and then they troubled the bhaktas, the devotees of God – rakshasas. In those days the rakshasas were separate and the saints were separate; there was not such a mixture as it is today. We find in saints there are negativities sitting there. Was never so before. This is Kali Yuga. It’s such a confusion that there is no absolute saint or there’s no absolute rakshasas. These rakshasas have come and sitting in our heads. They are within us, so the negativity is there, so we are not absolute saints. And this is the big problem of Sahaja Yoga is, that even when you are worshipping Me, try to be more on the saints than on the negative side. Try to be more on the saintly side. Because you are saints, no doubt, but these horrible things have somehow or other gone into your heads and they are sitting in your superego and ego, these horrible negativities, which you must really decide today to throw them away. Because you are really saints and these are the bad spots – kalanka – is the thing that really ruins you, is within you. So try to throw it away; try to become positive, be one with the puja. The second thing is the importance of this day is, that I have never celebrated this first day anywhere, so far. It was to be in Australia. It is the right of Australia to have this day here, celebrated here. We had other pujas, other Navaratris we had; with that I celebrated the first, second, third, over nine days we have done. But never this Navaratri as such we have celebrated this day anywhere, of the Shalivahana. Though in London they had a little sort of a thing on this, which I, we had on the seventh of April, then I spoke about it; but actually on this day we had no puja, before. So, this is very creditable that it should happen here. I’m very happy, because this is where Gauri established Shri Ganesh. Now for today we have two things to be worshipped: one, Ganesha, because Ganesha can preserve our status, our heights, in our realization. He protects us when we are getting our realization, we are rising high; so He preserves and He protects. And He looks after us and gives us wisdom, to have our ascent in such a way that we do not deviate into the left and the right side; we have full dignity; and that we are fully integrated with our heart, with Shiva Tattwa, with our realization, and do it with our heart genuinely. That’s why we worship Shri Ganesh. But today is actually the puja of the Gauri, that is, the Kundalini. So Shri Ganesh we’ll do first of all, and then we’ll worship the Kundalini, which is the Gauri. Now luckily I got a sari: this is really remarkable, because this is the color of Australia. Green is the color of the Gauri. Gauri wears the green sari. And there is also – this is the, this is the, this is the symbol of Gauri only. This is the symbol of Gauri, and this one inside is the Ganesha, is in that color – is most surprising this sari I got. So this one also is just the other way round – more of Ganesha color and less of the Gauri color. This is a very traditional combination in the Indian color scheme, because red is the color of Ganesha. In you people it is very red and it can become more crimson, can become absolutely black, can be absolutely reduced to nothing. But in Me it is the color of this clay, because it’s absolutely obedient, it’s absolutely one with Me, so it’s the color of the clay. And the Gauri is the Mother Earth. That’s the place where the Gauri exists, in the Mother Earth; and that’s why the color is green because Mother Earth is always covered with green – at least She’s covered with. And Ganesha’s color is that of the clay because He’s made out of the Mother Earth, element is the Mother Earth. I hope I have been able to explain to you the symbolic relationship. Do you know the story how Ganesha was created by Gauri? So that I will tell you; and then we all can have. It’s very interesting, that’s why I said I’ll have My bath here. It is said this …. [Yogini: Excuse me, Mother, excuse me, we can’t hear very well down the back. Is there any way You can speak louder or that we can hear better?] What’s she say? [Yogi: They cannot hear.] You can’t hear Me? [Yogini: No, Mother.] All right, so I’ll have to shout. Not at all? [Yogini: Yes, a little, most of the time …] All right. Should I use this? …. All right. This you can hear. So I’m now going to tell you the story of Shri Ganesha’s birth. Is very interesting, it’s very symbolic. This is Christ, and that is, He is the Omega and He is the Alpha and all that they talk of – they don’t know what they are talking. There’s so short form of what the whole thing is. They don’t know Ganesha at all, nothing. They just take one word here and there, just talk like that. So He’s the first one created. Now it’s very symbolic: the pure power of desire to be one with the spirit is symbolized in the Gauri. The primordial Gauri is that power which has separated from Her Lord, we can say. In Her previous lives She was separated, and again She’s born as Parvati. And She wants to be one with Shiva, which is the Spirit. So now the marriage has taken place, in the sense that now She can meet Him. The wedding kindling has to start. But She’s not yet married, in the sense that She’s still a Virgin, but married otherwise – means She is now about to rise. Before that She wants to have a bath, because She has to meet Her Lord. So She must have Her bath, the bridal bath. She’s a virgin, absolutely virgin, and She goes for Her bath. Now, She’s afraid that anybody might come inside when She’s having Her bath. Look at the delicacy of the whole thing: this desire, which just is meant for the spirit, doesn’t want to be exposed to anything else, any negativity coming in, anything happening like that. So She closes the door, but still She’s worried from the back side somebody may come. So She puts this scented powder, which we use in India – for the bride specially it is the right one – and rubs Her body with that, and She finds that a lot of it comes out. So She makes the Ganesha out of that – now imagine how much vibrated it must be. She puts that – is made of camphor and all these beautiful things which are really celestial – and that is completely vibrated on Her body. She makes a Ganesha and puts Him to the back of the bathroom; She’s having Her bath nicely. At that time Shiva comes suddenly, knocks at the door. She doesn’t hear Him. So He goes from the back door. There He sees Shri Ganesha sitting. He asks Shri Ganesha, “Who are You?” So He says, “I am the Son of Gauri.” Shiva can’t understand; She is a Virgin and this one is saying, “I am the Son of the Gauri.” See now the Immaculate Conception – try to understand. So Shiva says, “How can She have a child? She is the Virgin.” And He thinks [She’s] He’s bringing slander on His wife who is a Virgin. So He cuts His neck in anger, and He enters into the bathroom. And Gauri is ready to receive Him. And She looks out and She sees Her child is dead. So He asked Her, “What is this?” Said, “That’s My child I created out of My, this mala” – what you call this, all the body things that came out – “I’ve created Him, and I have put Him down there. How dare You kill Him?” She said, “ Now what to do?” He said, “All right, what You do is to go and find the head of any animal that is available, and we will put that on this trunk and He’ll be My son again.” Now it’s all prearranged; because this child was not to grow into a human ego and superego business. It had to be the embodiment of childhood, embodiment of childlike innocence, because He’s the embodiment of innocence. So they had to get the head of an animal. Now the wisest animal on this Earth is elephant, and elephant was saved in evolution in a very miraculous way – is also another description which I’ll give you later on. So a she-elephant, mother elephant was lying down with her back towards her child – that’s why in India women never sleep with their back towards their children, never. The child has to be in front, pudhe, in front. It should never be put at the back of the mother – never. Mother will get up and go on the other side and change the sides, but she would never put the child at the back. So the head of that little animal was cut, and He brought it and was put for Shri Ganesh. And that’s how Shri Ganesha was created. But you know, elephant is the conveyance of Mahalakshmi. So the body is from Mahakali, but the head is given by Mahalakshmi, the evolutionary power. Now this Ganesha within us resides in the Mooladhara Chakra. Some people who tried all kinds of tricks to find God must have seen the trunk of Shri Ganesha, and must have thought this is the kundalini – because as a Mother I give them few marks for that – and that’s how they started all these perversions and wrong things about Ganesha. But He is embodiment of innocence, and later on you must read in “Devi Bhagwat” how He incarnated on this Earth as Christ; and how He is going to come with His eleven powers on this Earth as Kalki. It is very difficult for Hindus to accept that Ganesha, such a dynamic personality like Him, should become a person like Christ, who got Himself crucified. And it is impossible – at least Hindus have much wider knowledge and much wider sense – but it is impossible for ardent Christians to understand that Christ could be this elephant boy. That is beyond them, because for them Christ should be a man who has no power to kill anyone. And then they say that He’s coming to kill us – I don’t know how they manage these things. They catch hold of one thing, like He was the Omega and Alpha, finished; now how are they authorized, God knows? But whatever it is, they do not see the other things – that He had a Mother; He said about the Holy Spirit. He said it in such a good way, that “I’ll be sending Holy Spirit.” And also He said that “Those who are, those who have sinned against Me or have insulted Me, it’s all right, but with the Holy Spirit nothing will be tolerated” – very clearly. Why did He say so? He’s Alpha and Omega, but why did He say so? Of course, He’s the first who was created, and at this stage, at Kalki stage also it is He who, He’s there at the end of it, no doubt. But that doesn’t mean because you are Christians you have a special right – not at all. On the contrary, I would say many Hindus have much more right on Ganesha than you have, because you have spoilt your innocence. They have not spoilt their innocence. So though you may call yourself Christians, Christians and fight for Christ, but you are not; because the basics of Christ is innocence, which we have ruined. So those who – also Sahaja yogis – get identified with Christ must know that this identification is actually a conditioning; it is not factually so. If so, you have to become innocent. You must re-establish your innocence. Then you are really Christians, and then you are really so. And I would say people in India – as it is, you know, luckily we did not get advanced as you people got. We never fall into the traps of advancement, luckily: too sluggish, elephant-like people, we could not fall into anything. India is like, large like an elephant. Anything comes in, this just goes on throwing this side, that side, that doesn’t accept anything. We never bothered about Freud. For us he’s some sort of a legendary fellow living in fool’s paradise – we never accepted him.Nothing can penetrate that elephantine thing. You see, it just goes on blowing off all the things that comes round, so nothing got into their heads. They never spoiled their innocence, simply because they are too large and very lethargic to new ideas. And that’s how they have, despite everything they are not converted Christians, they never heard of Christ, some of them. They have maintained their innocence much more and their sincerity of their heart, because they are not disconnected. When Ganesha is destroyed you get disconnected. Your heart works on one side, your brain works on another side. So, that they have not been able to yet achieve, that kind of a dissociation. And whatever they may try, they know in their – that it is wrong. They may try, I mean, like people steal but they know it is wrong; in the same way they still know. So for us, we must know that we have to achieve our position as innocent people. But your Mother is very gracious, She’s very powerful, She’s very loving, and She has created you on the same pattern as Ganesha. You have all the powers that Shri Ganesha has. The greatest power that Shri Ganesha has, that you can come so close to Me. No other gods can come that close to Me as you can come. Kundalini cannot be risen by any gods, any incarnations but Shri Ganesha. He has to inform the kundalini, otherwise kundalini cannot rise. And it is you who have the power to raise the kundalini on your fingers. How many powers I have given you – you have no idea at all. I have made you in the pattern of Shri Ganesh. So you have to establish that innocence within you; that is being also established. You’ll get back your innocence. But the second thing which is so important about Shri Ganesh one has to learn, that He does not know any other god but His Mother. For Him nothing exists but His Mother. He’s so dedicated. There’s a story once when Parvati, His Mother gave – said that “I will give You a big present, that there should be competition between You two brothers.” Second was the Kartikeya, the one, another brother of His who came on this Earth just to destroy this Narakasura. Is the, all the destructive powers were combined to create Kartikeya. So She said, “Whosoever goes round this Earth, I’ll give You a prize.” So, the conveyance of Kartikeya is such a fast one, is a peacock. So He got onto His peacock, started flying out like an aeroplane. And Shri Ganesha’s conveyance is just a little mouse, so what should He do? He took to wisdom. He said, “Who can be greater than My Mother? She has created all the gods. She’s the Mahakali, She’s the Adi Shakti. She has created all the gods, She has created all the universes, She’s the one who has done everything – who can be greater than Her? She’s the greatest of all.” So she just, He just went round Her only thrice and He got the prize. And still He was flying in the air – Kartikeya. He fought even Shiva. He fought everyone. It’s a very interesting story how all that happened, that shows complete dedication. And for Sahaja yogis it is important to understand complete surrendering, dedication, and also a genuine feeling from the heart. I will ask Raul Bai sometimes to talk to you about the protocol – that’s important, though I am so close. Even Christ would not say anything; sometimes the way you people talk to Me, I am amazed. Certain things you say to Me, I’m amazed: how can you say these things to Me, knowingly what I am? But you forget. So it is important to understand that they were great because they knew the greatness of their Mother. In the same way, you all have to learn certain protocols which Raul Bai will teach you, so that you do not make any mistakes of saying things which are not proper. It comes from bad Vishuddhi, no doubt, but consciously if you work it out you will do good to yourself; because you know, anything against the Holy Spirit won’t be tolerated – anything, can you believe it? What strong words these are! Just think of it – anything against the Holy Spirit. So one has to understand the protocol, for Sahaja yogis – don’t talk against the Holy Spirit. But the protocol is there which one must understand, and how far to go, how far to understand is very, very, absolutely rudimentary for Sahaja Yoga. So today we have a great day of Shri Ganesha’s Mother being established, incarnated. Today is the day She had Her bath, we can say, and that’s why I said I’ll come and have a bath here. About the times and timings, one should know that Mother knows best, and everything works out with the timing properly. Because the, you know you are, you are ahead of India, and all the timings work out in that way. So everything has to work in the way – actually the timings are of the moon, so you don’t have to worry about what is the timing, what time this works out, this thing, that. The watches and all that, in Sahaja Yoga, work out according to My understanding. So one has to relax and just enjoy the puja. I think today you are going to receive lots of vibrations. Just enjoy them, just enjoy them. And if your ego is there or anything, just ask them to shut up, that’s all – all right? Now …. Now, so first we’ll have Ganesha Puja, as Modi will be doing, and he will be explaining what is to be done. How Ganesha is pleased with small, small things you will see now. [Hindi] Who will come for the – children should come for the puja? Let all the children come for the puja.

Shri Ganesha and Shri Gauri Puja. Sydney (Australia), 4 April 1981. Today is a very unique thing that is happened – is a special luck for Sahaja yogis of Australia. This day has never been celebrated before in the history of Sahaja Yoga. Today is the New Year’s Day for Sahaja yogis, because this is the New Year’s Day of the Shalivahan calendar. As you know, Shalivahan is My dynasty, and they are called as Shalivahan because they are the carriers of the shawls of the Goddess, they are called as the, because – as you are also carrying so many times My shawls around – and they were called as Shalivahan. So this New Year’s Day is the first day of advent of Goddess – the nine days there are. Then in another times that there are Satya Yug, then there’s Dvapara, Treta, Kali Yuga: there are four yugas. So in two yugas the Goddess incarnated, one before the Satya Yuga and one after it. So today is the day to mark absolutely the first day when She incarnated on this Earth. That’s the day also of the Gauri, because Virgin is the first form of the Goddess. And She created also Ganesha on Tuesday, just starting this week. What is the day? The day today is …? Today …. [Yogini: Today’s the fourth. Saturday, Mother. Saturday.] Saturday. Now, now, it’s over. Now don’t stay, all right? While I’m speaking you should not take My photographs. It’s a very wrong idea, because it disturbs Me. Moreover, you see, when the speaking, while I’m speaking and when you take My photograph sometimes I’ve seen they come out very odd. Best take photographs when I’m not speaking, you see, because all the time the sound is coming, everybody is distracted and the attention doesn’t fix, you see. Is a very important thing I’m talking, all right? Now don’t take any photographs, please. Pay attention to what I’m saying. [Hindi] So Tuesday is the day when Ganesha was established, and then the Goddess started working. The first one, the one day when She started is, was the Wednesday. She started working out on Wednesday. Wednesday is the action day, that’s why she started on Wednesday. Today is, under the circumstances it is Saturday; but I’m telling you about the original timings. Because Wednesday is the day of the Swadishthana, that’s the day She started working it out, the whole thing. So first, Tuesday is the first day in Sahaja Yoga, Wednesday is the second day. And you’ll be surprised that the stars are also the same, because Tuesday is the day of the Mars which is resided by Shri Ganesh. Wednesday is the day of Mercury, and Mercury is the Swadishthana. Third day – yes – third day is the day of Jupiter: what you call, we call it guru, is the day of the guru, is the Jupiter, is the teacher. Now, Friday is the day of the Goddess. Now see the chakras also, of the Goddess, Mother of the Earth, Mother of the Universe, Venus. But in Indian Sanskrit language the names of the days are exactly the same, tallying with the stars, so …. Then Saturday is the day of Shri Krishna – Shani, is Saturn. Then Sunday is the day of Christ, the Sun. Monday is the day of Sadashiva – is of realization, of integration. These are the seven days when God created the whole universe. That’s what I told yesterday, that in this narrow way you cannot understand Christianity. You’ll think it’s all mad, which is not. Only when you read other things, other scriptures, then only you will understand what Christ said. So today is the day of – first day – of when Ganesha was created, in the sense that, though today is not a Tuesday, but according to dates of the moon, today is the day, first day of the moon in this month. [Marathi]We call it Chaitra. Chaitra is the month. And this is the time when –[Marathi] – Gauri is the Chaitra. So the establishment of the Gauri is taken place during these nine days. But Ganesha has to be established before anything else. Though first Gauri had to come, you can see that. Gauri had to come first to establish Ganesha. But Ganesha is always put before even Gauri. Before the pujana of the, worship of the Ganesha, nothing starts; because He’s the one who takes out all the obstacles, all the negativities, all the hurdles that are going to come up, all the attentions that are here and there. So that’s why we first worship Ganesha, just to ask Him to protect us. But first the Gauri has to come, and that’s how the Gauri is this nine days. She came on this Earth to fight the devils and demons, negativity, for people to transcend the Bhavasagara, the Void, the maya, the illusion. When they were praying, when they were doing anything, people used to obstruct and then they troubled the bhaktas, the devotees of God – rakshasas. In those days the rakshasas were separate and the saints were separate; there was not such a mixture as it is today. We find in saints there are negativities sitting there. Was never so before. This is Kali Yuga. It’s such a confusion that there is no absolute saint or there’s no absolute rakshasas. These rakshasas have come and sitting in our heads. They are within us, so the negativity is there, so we are not absolute saints. And this is the big problem of Sahaja Yoga is, that even when you are worshipping Me, try to be more on the saints than on the negative side. Try to be more on the saintly side. Because you are saints, no doubt, but these horrible things have somehow or other gone into your heads and they are sitting in your superego and ego, these horrible negativities, which you must really decide today to throw them away. Because you are really saints and these are the bad spots – kalanka – is the thing that really ruins you, is within you. So try to throw it away; try to become positive, be one with the puja. The second thing is the importance of this day is, that I have never celebrated this first day anywhere, so far. It was to be in Australia. It is the right of Australia to have this day here, celebrated here. We had other pujas, other Navaratris we had; with that I celebrated the first, second, third, over nine days we have done. But never this Navaratri as such we have celebrated this day anywhere, of the Shalivahana. Though in London they had a little sort of a thing on this, which I, we had on the seventh of April, then I spoke about it; but actually on this day we had no puja, before. So, this is very creditable that it should happen here. I’m very happy, because this is where Gauri established Shri Ganesh. Now for today we have two things to be worshipped: one, Ganesha, because Ganesha can preserve our status, our heights, in our realization. He protects us when we are getting our realization, we are rising high; so He preserves and He protects. And He looks after us and gives us wisdom, to have our ascent in such a way that we do not deviate into the left and the right side; we have full dignity; and that we are fully integrated with our heart, with Shiva Tattwa, with our realization, and do it with our heart genuinely. That’s why we worship Shri Ganesh. But today is actually the puja of the Gauri, that is, the Kundalini. So Shri Ganesh we’ll do first of all, and then we’ll worship the Kundalini, which is the Gauri. Now luckily I got a sari: this is really remarkable, because this is the color of Australia. Green is the color of the Gauri. Gauri wears the green sari. And there is also – this is the, this is the, this is the symbol of Gauri only. This is the symbol of Gauri, and this one inside is the Ganesha, is in that color – is most surprising this sari I got. So this one also is just the other way round – more of Ganesha color and less of the Gauri color. This is a very traditional combination in the Indian color scheme, because red is the color of Ganesha. In you people it is very red and it can become more crimson, can become absolutely black, can be absolutely reduced to nothing. But in Me it is the color of this clay, because it’s absolutely obedient, it’s absolutely one with Me, so it’s the color of the clay. And the Gauri is the Mother Earth. That’s the place where the Gauri exists, in the Mother Earth; and that’s why the color is green because Mother Earth is always covered with green – at least She’s covered with. And Ganesha’s color is that of the clay because He’s made out of the Mother Earth, element is the Mother Earth. I hope I have been able to explain to you the symbolic relationship. Do you know the story how Ganesha was created by Gauri? So that I will tell you; and then we all can have. It’s very interesting, that’s why I said I’ll have My bath here. It is said this …. [Yogini: Excuse me, Mother, excuse me, we can’t hear very well down the back. Is there any way You can speak louder or that we can hear better?] What’s she say? [Yogi: They cannot hear.] You can’t hear Me? [Yogini: No, Mother.] All right, so I’ll have to shout. Not at all? [Yogini: Yes, a little, most of the time …] All right. Should I use this? …. All right. This you can hear. So I’m now going to tell you the story of Shri Ganesha’s birth. Is very interesting, it’s very symbolic. This is Christ, and that is, He is the Omega and He is the Alpha and all that they talk of – they don’t know what they are talking. There’s so short form of what the whole thing is. They don’t know Ganesha at all, nothing. They just take one word here and there, just talk like that. So He’s the first one created. Now it’s very symbolic: the pure power of desire to be one with the spirit is symbolized in the Gauri. The primordial Gauri is that power which has separated from Her Lord, we can say. In Her previous lives She was separated, and again She’s born as Parvati. And She wants to be one with Shiva, which is the Spirit. So now the marriage has taken place, in the sense that now She can meet Him. The wedding kindling has to start. But She’s not yet married, in the sense that She’s still a Virgin, but married otherwise – means She is now about to rise. Before that She wants to have a bath, because She has to meet Her Lord. So She must have Her bath, the bridal bath. She’s a virgin, absolutely virgin, and She goes for Her bath. Now, She’s afraid that anybody might come inside when She’s having Her bath. Look at the delicacy of the whole thing: this desire, which just is meant for the spirit, doesn’t want to be exposed to anything else, any negativity coming in, anything happening like that. So She closes the door, but still She’s worried from the back side somebody may come. So She puts this scented powder, which we use in India – for the bride specially it is the right one – and rubs Her body with that, and She finds that a lot of it comes out. So She makes the Ganesha out of that – now imagine how much vibrated it must be. She puts that – is made of camphor and all these beautiful things which are really celestial – and that is completely vibrated on Her body. She makes a Ganesha and puts Him to the back of the bathroom; She’s having Her bath nicely. At that time Shiva comes suddenly, knocks at the door. She doesn’t hear Him. So He goes from the back door. There He sees Shri Ganesha sitting. He asks Shri Ganesha, “Who are You?” So He says, “I am the Son of Gauri.” Shiva can’t understand; She is a Virgin and this one is saying, “I am the Son of the Gauri.” See now the Immaculate Conception – try to understand. So Shiva says, “How can She have a child? She is the Virgin.” And He thinks [She’s] He’s bringing slander on His wife who is a Virgin. So He cuts His neck in anger, and He enters into the bathroom. And Gauri is ready to receive Him. And She looks out and She sees Her child is dead. So He asked Her, “What is this?” Said, “That’s My child I created out of My, this mala” – what you call this, all the body things that came out – “I’ve created Him, and I have put Him down there. How dare You kill Him?” She said, “ Now what to do?” He said, “All right, what You do is to go and find the head of any animal that is available, and we will put that on this trunk and He’ll be My son again.” Now it’s all prearranged; because this child was not to grow into a human ego and superego business. It had to be the embodiment of childhood, embodiment of childlike innocence, because He’s the embodiment of innocence. So they had to get the head of an animal. Now the wisest animal on this Earth is elephant, and elephant was saved in evolution in a very miraculous way – is also another description which I’ll give you later on. So a she-elephant, mother elephant was lying down with her back towards her child – that’s why in India women never sleep with their back towards their children, never. The child has to be in front, pudhe, in front. It should never be put at the back of the mother – never. Mother will get up and go on the other side and change the sides, but she would never put the child at the back. So the head of that little animal was cut, and He brought it and was put for Shri Ganesh. And that’s how Shri Ganesha was created. But you know, elephant is the conveyance of Mahalakshmi. So the body is from Mahakali, but the head is given by Mahalakshmi, the evolutionary power. Now this Ganesha within us resides in the Mooladhara Chakra. Some people who tried all kinds of tricks to find God must have seen the trunk of Shri Ganesha, and must have thought this is the kundalini – because as a Mother I give them few marks for that – and that’s how they started all these perversions and wrong things about Ganesha. But He is embodiment of innocence, and later on you must read in “Devi Bhagwat” how He incarnated on this Earth as Christ; and how He is going to come with His eleven powers on this Earth as Kalki. It is very difficult for Hindus to accept that Ganesha, such a dynamic personality like Him, should become a person like Christ, who got Himself crucified. And it is impossible – at least Hindus have much wider knowledge and much wider sense – but it is impossible for ardent Christians to understand that Christ could be this elephant boy. That is beyond them, because for them Christ should be a man who has no power to kill anyone. And then they say that He’s coming to kill us – I don’t know how they manage these things. They catch hold of one thing, like He was the Omega and Alpha, finished; now how are they authorized, God knows? But whatever it is, they do not see the other things – that He had a Mother; He said about the Holy Spirit. He said it in such a good way, that “I’ll be sending Holy Spirit.” And also He said that “Those who are, those who have sinned against Me or have insulted Me, it’s all right, but with the Holy Spirit nothing will be tolerated” – very clearly. Why did He say so? He’s Alpha and Omega, but why did He say so? Of course, He’s the first who was created, and at this stage, at Kalki stage also it is He who, He’s there at the end of it, no doubt. But that doesn’t mean because you are Christians you have a special right – not at all. On the contrary, I would say many Hindus have much more right on Ganesha than you have, because you have spoilt your innocence. They have not spoilt their innocence. So though you may call yourself Christians, Christians and fight for Christ, but you are not; because the basics of Christ is innocence, which we have ruined. So those who – also Sahaja yogis – get identified with Christ must know that this identification is actually a conditioning; it is not factually so. If so, you have to become innocent. You must re-establish your innocence. Then you are really Christians, and then you are really so. And I would say people in India – as it is, you know, luckily we did not get advanced as you people got. We never fall into the traps of advancement, luckily: too sluggish, elephant-like people, we could not fall into anything. India is like, large like an elephant. Anything comes in, this just goes on throwing this side, that side, that doesn’t accept anything. We never bothered about Freud. For us he’s some sort of a legendary fellow living in fool’s paradise – we never accepted him.Nothing can penetrate that elephantine thing. You see, it just goes on blowing off all the things that comes round, so nothing got into their heads. They never spoiled their innocence, simply because they are too large and very lethargic to new ideas. And that’s how they have, despite everything they are not converted Christians, they never heard of Christ, some of them. They have maintained their innocence much more and their sincerity of their heart, because they are not disconnected. When Ganesha is destroyed you get disconnected. Your heart works on one side, your brain works on another side. So, that they have not been able to yet achieve, that kind of a dissociation. And whatever they may try, they know in their – that it is wrong. They may try, I mean, like people steal but they know it is wrong; in the same way they still know. So for us, we must know that we have to achieve our position as innocent people. But your Mother is very gracious, She’s very powerful, She’s very loving, and She has created you on the same pattern as Ganesha. You have all the powers that Shri Ganesha has. The greatest power that Shri Ganesha has, that you can come so close to Me. No other gods can come that close to Me as you can come. Kundalini cannot be risen by any gods, any incarnations but Shri Ganesha. He has to inform the kundalini, otherwise kundalini cannot rise. And it is you who have the power to raise the kundalini on your fingers. How many powers I have given you – you have no idea at all. I have made you in the pattern of Shri Ganesh. So you have to establish that innocence within you; that is being also established. You’ll get back your innocence. But the second thing which is so important about Shri Ganesh one has to learn, that He does not know any other god but His Mother. For Him nothing exists but His Mother. He’s so dedicated. There’s a story once when Parvati, His Mother gave – said that “I will give You a big present, that there should be competition between You two brothers.” Second was the Kartikeya, the one, another brother of His who came on this Earth just to destroy this Narakasura. Is the, all the destructive powers were combined to create Kartikeya. So She said, “Whosoever goes round this Earth, I’ll give You a prize.” So, the conveyance of Kartikeya is such a fast one, is a peacock. So He got onto His peacock, started flying out like an aeroplane. And Shri Ganesha’s conveyance is just a little mouse, so what should He do? He took to wisdom. He said, “Who can be greater than My Mother? She has created all the gods. She’s the Mahakali, She’s the Adi Shakti. She has created all the gods, She has created all the universes, She’s the one who has done everything – who can be greater than Her? She’s the greatest of all.” So she just, He just went round Her only thrice and He got the prize. And still He was flying in the air – Kartikeya. He fought even Shiva. He fought everyone. It’s a very interesting story how all that happened, that shows complete dedication. And for Sahaja yogis it is important to understand complete surrendering, dedication, and also a genuine feeling from the heart. I will ask Raul Bai sometimes to talk to you about the protocol – that’s important, though I am so close. Even Christ would not say anything; sometimes the way you people talk to Me, I am amazed. Certain things you say to Me, I’m amazed: how can you say these things to Me, knowingly what I am? But you forget. So it is important to understand that they were great because they knew the greatness of their Mother. In the same way, you all have to learn certain protocols which Raul Bai will teach you, so that you do not make any mistakes of saying things which are not proper. It comes from bad Vishuddhi, no doubt, but consciously if you work it out you will do good to yourself; because you know, anything against the Holy Spirit won’t be tolerated – anything, can you believe it? What strong words these are! Just think of it – anything against the Holy Spirit. So one has to understand the protocol, for Sahaja yogis – don’t talk against the Holy Spirit. But the protocol is there which one must understand, and how far to go, how far to understand is very, very, absolutely rudimentary for Sahaja Yoga. So today we have a great day of Shri Ganesha’s Mother being established, incarnated. Today is the day She had Her bath, we can say, and that’s why I said I’ll come and have a bath here. About the times and timings, one should know that Mother knows best, and everything works out with the timing properly. Because the, you know you are, you are ahead of India, and all the timings work out in that way. So everything has to work in the way – actually the timings are of the moon, so you don’t have to worry about what is the timing, what time this works out, this thing, that. The watches and all that, in Sahaja Yoga, work out according to My understanding. So one has to relax and just enjoy the puja. I think today you are going to receive lots of vibrations. Just enjoy them, just enjoy them. And if your ego is there or anything, just ask them to shut up, that’s all – all right? Now …. Now, so first we’ll have Ganesha Puja, as Modi will be doing, and he will be explaining what is to be done. How Ganesha is pleased with small, small things you will see now. [Hindi] Who will come for the – children should come for the puja? Let all the children come for the puja.

4/5/1981

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis: With Kundalini awakening you get Nirvichar Samadhi

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Talk to new Sahaja Yogis Mr. Modi : This Nirvichar Samadhi comes to you because of the Adishakti. This we found. This aspect of Adishkati we found in Mataji. And therefore there was no question. When the state of thoughtless awareness came… Shri Mataji : (speaking in Marathi) Mr. Modi: ok. Shri Mataji: ...else they will not understand. You see he is so clear cut. But he knows the difference between the mesmerism and the nirvichara Samadhi. So It’s better to tell the other way around I said. Because you see, he is there clear cut, you see. But you do not know that part that’s why. [UNCLEAR TEXT] You don’t know. They confuse nivichar Samadhi with mesmerism. Woman: Ah..yeah Shri Mataji: Also you see… Mr. Modi : Well if you are mesmerized and got the nirvichar samadhi the greatest difference will be…kundalini will be frozen as it should be. And therefore (Shri Mataji and Mr. Modi speaking in Marathi) Shri Mataji: Yes. (Laughter) Shri Mataji : You see because this is not there explained in any of your…any books. So how will you know. You see, that mesmerism what happens? You see and what is a kundalini awakening and with Kundalini awakening you get nivichar Samadhi. You see means crossing of the Agnya. Is not possible without the Primordial Mother being there. She is the only one who can do it. It’s precisely said. In am-mass basis though it is out of question for anybody else. It’s very clearly…I mean books after books are written like this. Mr. Modi: And Indian scriptures are full of these things. But when the kundalini rises…I mean by collective consciousness one can feel that well in a particular person if I can see which state of kundalini… whether it has risen or not? Whether thoughtless awareness is felt or not? This has to happen by the grace of Adishakti. And we have found out ourselves that it is because of Mataji this has happened. If Mataji was not there this would have never happened. And therefore we feel that kundalini awakening is a must. After kundalini is awakened by the Grace of Shri Mataji you should get a thoughtless awareness state in your own total freedom. There cannot be a bias to it. If there is a bias kundalini will not again rise. And all these expressions which we have felt…this can be seen by another sahaja yogi. That is why Mataji in my first lecture I told them that first of all rather than questioning you go into the meditation. And feel where is your kundalini. Can you feel your kundalini? If you can’t feel your kundalini something is wrong with you. Find out…(Shri Mataji gestures laughingly and is followed by crowd laughing) Shri Mataji : He is at that level you know. (Shri Mataji’s hand held high) Actually he is…Modi is at a very high level also. Mr. Modi : Mother but many of them have felt it. Shri Mataji : No no.. Mr. Modi : They have found out their chakras. They have found out their defect. Of course this fifty percent of this group was not here. First meditation program was there. Fifty percent of the group had probably gone to Wurunda and they were not over there. So this more or less a repetition for them. Shri Mataji : You see, what he is saying is true. But you see, the thing is they do not have ego problems there. This is the main thing he doesn’t know. What happens when you are mesmerized or you are ego pampered, you see, you cannot differentiate because basically they know that the kundalini has to rise. Now how do you know there is kundalini rising. That they should…must feel cool breeze on their back. You see so they know it is…kundalini has risen. You see, anybody whose kundalini is risen they know that it is risen. Whether I am there or not to tell them is not the point. But they know it is the cool breeze that shows. You see here the people can even doubt that. You see. Because basic knowledge you don’t have, right? This is the basic problem, you see. They are at that level…they know most…you see they know what is what. Supposing you know what is Australia. Alright then you know this is the place you have landed. This is the place. But if you don’t know about it and you never heard about it. People have not even heard of the name kundalini, what it is supposed to be. You see so many people thought kundalini was the horoscope. (Laughter by crowd) Yeah. With such people when you are talking then they have doubts. Isn’t it? This is the problem. But in the…. India you see, people know that I awaken kundalini, that they know that I am the Adishakti and they know everything but they do not have the desires as you have to be awakened. This is the problem. That’s why he is meaning they are very deep. They are. They are seekers. And there we don’t have seekers. You see as if when you have teeth you don’t have food and when you have food you don’t have teeth. This is the thing. So when he is saying that, he is saying from that level where the understanding is complete for Indians. Anybody who is brought up in Indian culture, who knows something about Indian philosophy and Indian things, who knows, who's a Hindu, in the sense that he has studied Adi Shankaracharya, who was the founder of Hinduism at that time. If he has read it then he knows for definite that this is this. You see they know all the background of bible. For them it is not difficult to accept Christ at all. Just like that they are understood. Because He is described in their bibles…in their books. He is described clearly that He is like this, He will be like this..He will be that…So they can put two-two together. His name is Maha Vishnu – doesn’t matter. So for them it is easier because they already have read it…about it. But are they not… they don’t want it….they don’t want realization yet because they are still developing countries, you see. While you want it but your ego is so developed that you are just questioning Me. Why so? That’s what he cannot understand because they don’t question Me. [UNCLEAR TEXT] are seekers and they just want it. That’s all. Finished. Thousands you know six thousand people coming just …from all village they come by bullock carts this that…they get realization. Six thousand people you can see very clearly. Man : They all use simple bullock carts. Shri Mataji : Very simple people. And here this is the problem. Is that you question all the time, question. You don’t know…you want realization still you question. Lady: This is… is it about education? Shri Mataji : I don’t know. Whatever it is. I don’t want to blame anything. But it is true. I mean because you have had no education about it also. I mean you don’t know what it is. That’s what I said bible you understand so narrowly. It’s so deep. To say only that it’s alpha and omega. Now what do you mean by that? There is a big mantra on that. (Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi) Shri Mataji: He’ll say the whole thing. What describes Christ….now you listen to him. (Shri Mataji Speaks in Marathi- ha suna, atharva shirsha mandha) Shri Mataji: Complete…this is the description. See now. Mr. Modi : That is the description of Lord Jesus. Om twameva pratyaksham tatvamasi, Twameva kevalam kartasi, Twameva kevalam dhartasi, Twameva savadam kalvidam bhrahmasi, Twam sakshat atma si nityam, Ritam vachmi, satyam vachmi, Ava twamam, ava vaktaram, Ava shrotaram, Ava dhataram, Avanu chananam, ava paschatat, Shri Mataji: These are the aspects of his powers. Mr. Modi : Ava purastat. Ava chodhvaratat, Ava dharatat, Sarvato mam pahi pahi samantat, Twam vangmayas twam chin mayas, Twam anandamays twam bhrahma mayas, Twam sachidanada dwitiyosi, Twam pratyaksham bhrahmasi, Twam gyanamyo vigyana mayosi, Saravam jagadidam twato jayate, Sarvam Jagadidam twatishtasthiti, Sarvam jagadidam twayi pratyeti, Twam bhoomi rapo nalo nilo nabhaha, Twam chatwari vakpadani, Twam guna taraya teetaha, Twam deha traya teetaha, Twam kala traya teetaha, Twam mooladhara sthitosi nityam, Twam shaktit trayatmakaha, Twam yogino dhyayanti nityam, (UNCLEAR TEXT/Mr. Modi says something in Marathi) Shri Mataji : No no, keep saying… Mr. Modi : Twam yogino dhayanti nityam… Shri Mataji: All the yogis worship…take a…meditate on you. Yes..I mean so many. The whole description is there. What is alpa omega? Alpha and omega? What does that mean? It’s such a vague terminology. It’s like saying how do you go to Australia? London and Australia finished. What does that mean? Mr. Modi : Twam Bhramha, Twam Vishnus, Twam Rudras, Twam Indras, Twam Agnis, Twam Vayus, Twam Sooryas, Twam Chandramas, Twam Bhrama bhoor bhuwaswarom, Ganadhim poorvam ucharya, Varandhim tadanantaram, Anuswara para tarah, Aradhendu lasitam, Tarenu rudham, Etattwa manuswa roopam, Gakaro surya roopam, Akaro poorva roopam, Anuswara chanta ritya roopam, Bindu rutatra roopam, Nadha sandhana sandhi saisha, Ganesha vidya, Ganaka rishihi, Nichrid gayatri chandaha, Ganapatir devata, Om Gam Ganapataye namaha. Eka dantay vidmahe, vakratundaya demahi, Tanno danti prachodaya, Ekadantashcha, Chaturhastam, Pasham ankusha dharinam, Radam cha varadam hastairhi bhibhranam, Mooshaka dhwajm, Raktam Lambodaram, Shoorpakarnakam, Rakta vasasam, Rakta gandhanu liptangam, Rakta pushpai supoojitam, Bhaktanu kampinam devam jagat karanam achyutam, Aavir bhootam cha shrishtiyadau, prakritaye puroshat param, Evam dhayayati yo nityam sa yogi yoginam varaha. Namo Vratapatayae, Namo Prathama patayae, Namaste Ganapataye….Namaste Ganapataye Asthu Lambodaraya, eka dantaya vighna nashine, Shri Shiva sutaya, Shri Varada moortaye Namo Namaha. Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmal devi namo namaha. This is the description of…. Shri Mataji : This is one of the. One of the. There are thousands name, thousand names. From alpha to omega. And omega to alpha. Mr. Modi : Now the translation if you want to know it will take at least two hours to tell you the translation. Rather than getting the translation I wish you to take the experience. And that is why in my earlier talk I requested that let the attention, your individual attention which is outward be inward towards yourself, towards your kundalini, towards your chakras and try to feel them. Try to find out where you feel your chakras. I requested you earlier in the gross side whether you feel the chakras outside? Whether you can feel them in your spinal chord? Which are the locations? Can you can you feel them in your hand? Can you feel them in your head? Can you feel them in your feet? Try and feel. This is what I have requested earlier and requested most of you to go into the meditation. And I have found that some of you were so deep in meditation that I had a desire to request them, “Can you say what has happened to you?” I am sure nobody would have been able to describe what sort of depth they have achieved. So in order to know that one has to go deep into meditation again and again and find out for themselves what they have. What they have achieved? What they have got? How do they feel it? Where are the problems? How do they feel their problems? And how would they like to sort them up? So in order to give them a little opportunity to talk to other sahaja yogis we had a break. Instead of half an hour it went through more than one hour. And may be some of them would have got their doubts to a certain extent sorted out. We thought that after that we can again go into the meditation. And feel for yourself what you feel. For all the sahaja yogis who have been staying in this house they know through and through how the divinity has been working through them and how they are decently, extraordinarily blessed by Mataji. Shri Mataji : (speaking in Marathi)…………….. Mr. Modi : We have also found out that…as I had explained in my earlier talk Mother that we have also, like you lots and lots of questions but when we got it there was no point in asking questions to the Mother. So may be in the last ten years I might have asked probably only a few questions, only a few questions just by the way. I don’t think I have asked….because all my questions …..if I put the same question to myself I would get the answer by the grace of Mother. Because it is Her power. It is Mataji’s power that works out the opening of chakras. It is Matajis power which has helped us to feel the deities on each chakras. It is Mataji’s power with which we learn to feel the Kundalini. It is Mataji’s power with which we learn how to give an awakening to …… Shri Mataji: (in Marathi) Mr. Modi : And since for us it is an origination as Mataji. And for Mataji She has developed this science by Herself. If She has developed it, She knows everything. And lucky enough She can answer any question also. But it is wise that I don’t express myself so openly that, “What am I?” And let me not be open to all the sahaja yogis because they know me. They know what are the chakras I am catching. They know what are the things I am catching. So let me not be so open, I would say that. So let us…. Shri Mataji : I’ll give you an example now. Please. I think just now you can tell what happened about the flowers. Just tell them. Simple example, yesterday it happened. You see how the attention works. You just see. It’s very simple. Man : Well yesterday we had puja for Mataji. And as many of you will know… Shri Mataji : New year’s day. New year’s day it was a Ganesha’s puja. Man : New year’s day….I think in Indian calendar. Shri Mataji : And Ganesha’s puja. Man : And we were worshipping Mataji as Shri Ganesh… Because we in Austalia have been blessed to be named the mooladhara chakra. But in that worship many of the things that we do…in worship include such things as mantras, shlokas and various other things. But inclusive of flowers of course. Very important. And each one of us decided to put flowers at the Feet of Mataji making a beautiful array at Her Feet. And I asked Mataji on the way here, as driving along in the car, “What are the flowers Mother that would be most acceptable, that befit on this special day of the beginning of the year, and for Shri Ganesh?” So She said, “Well, red flowers. Pink or red flowers would be best” And then She looked out of the window as we were driving along and there were the hibiscus flowers everywhere. She said, “They are the ones.” Shri Mataji : Jabakusum as they are called. Man: They’ve got another name in Sanskrit…. Shri Mataji : In Sanskrit they are called javakusum. Is very much…Ganesha is always worshipped with javakusum. Man: And the hibiscus were there by the road. Shri Mataji : And the Gauri also. And another was the Virgin. We worship Virgin and Ganesha. So they both like javausum. It’s a very famous thing in all the Indian scriptures. So I said, “This one javakusum. This hibiscus...” Man: So when we got here, we said nothing. Shri Mataji : No, he said we will tell them by phone, isn’t it? Man : We said nothing. Shri Mataji: No no, but he did not tell. You see what I am saying is that I told him better to inform them to get javakusum. Man: And when we got here nothing was said but later on in puja a very big basket of hibiscus flowers just arrived. Everybody had been out picking the hibiscus flowers. This is what is happening in collective consciousness. Shri Mataji : And the garland was made of…..Garland also was of... Man : The garland was also made. Yes, this was absolutely spontaneous. So this is collective consciousness. As one person thinks we all share and we all get the same thoughts. And if so, this behooves us to be together in a positive atmosphere. And this means we are all sharing and working it out. It’s really beautiful. Shri Mataji: It is the same attention you see. Your attention is enlightened now and it looks after. Like he asked me what are the flowers which are auspicious? I said that way many are. You don’t have all these flowers. And Begonia is one of them I was telling. But today being Ganesha’s and Gauri’s day its javakusum, is the red flower I saw. I said this is the one. This one is the one. It’s very good. He said, “Really, then I must tell them to get it.” I said, “You better telephone to them.” But there was no chance. When we came here there was a garland of that, the whole thing of that and they had only collected those flowers. I don’t know what happened. And they said they just got it. Like this place you are occupying itself, you see. They had sold their house. They wanted to buy a big place…and to sleep there. All of them wanted to live you see. And they told about 200 people here, the property dealers to get them a house, purchase or something like that. There were only two houses available at a very high price, see, for sale. But they did not know how to manage that you see. And then Meera one of them telephoned to Me and saying that they have no house, nothing, they are very upset this that. She was so upset on the phone. So she said what to do. So I said, “Alright we will get it tomorrow.” She was surprised I am not that precise and that I said, “Now you will get it tomorrow. Don’t you worry.” Then really they got this tomorrow. That’s what happened. Really the very next day they got it. And they were surprised. How it happened? Suddenly they got it. And it’s such a big place, you just see. Don’t get it on rent and things… just they got it. So it’s only the attention you see it works out. But one should not ask out for material things. It’s better to ask for spiritual things. You see, material things are looked after just like that. No problem. But you must ask for…really for the spiritual and that is the best way. And as far as doubting is concerned is a problem of ego, you see. And you doubt everything. But what do you doubt for? This is the point you see. Because, why? Why should be there doubt about Me? Now let’s think the other way round. I am not a person who is floating any business. There’s no possibility. My husband earns very…lot of money and I come from a rich family. So money doesn’t matter. My husband holds a very big high position in life. So I don’t want any position either. Alright, thirdly it could be that I am running political stunt or something like that or working some political leader. So have no identification with any political parties. So now why…why am I doing this? Clear and simple. What remains last is love. It’s purely love. I mean I do not take any advantage of it or credit of it or nothing. It’s just love. Simple thing like that. Now what are you questioning. Do you go and question the sun? Why do you give us light? I mean the way some of them ask Me question, “Why do you come to Australia? What is the need for you to do this?” I mean imagine as if by coming to Austraia am taking away their lives or what am I doing to them? Very rude you see some of them. I was surprised. Somebody comes to give you love and to emancipate you and give you the divine love and that is how you treat. But it’s better than crucifixion. So I don’t mind because I am used to all kinds of things. But you better not miss the point by your ego because you start doubting, thinking. It’s nonsense. See what he said, nirvichar Samadhi is very different from mesmerism. Mesmerism - what happens, that you just get lost. You have no powers in you. You see apart from the cool breeze what happens when you get mesmerized. What happens? You feel for the person. You want to do anything with them. You give all the money. You give this. You want to this and do that. You feel happy also. Because there’s somebody else who is working it out. Some extent you feel happy, to some extent. It’s like getting drunk. But you lose all your powers. You have no powers. You are not empowered with anything. You do not know what you are doing why you are doing it. You cannot explain. There is no logic behind it. There is no knowledge behind it. Nothing. You just do it because you are just driven into it. You are mad. That’s what it is. You cannot explain. You cannot understand the chakras. You cannot say where it is catching. Nothing of the kind. There’s no logic behind it. It’s just a sort of an infatuation that you are just drawn into it without even controlling yourself. Here the control is complete. And the transformation starts. You just start seeing the transformation coming into you. Absolutely it transforms. This is what it is. So firstly you have to know that I have nothing to earn from you. You have to learn from Me. You have to get something from Me. But most of your questions are barriers for your progress. Most of them are. So do not… Why do you want to be your own enemy? As it is we have built up so many things by which we are destroying ourselves. And I have told you that the destruction is going to come from within not without. So why do you want to do such a thing? You have to be kind to yourself and reconstruct yourself. And you will be surprised at your own transformation. You become a different person altogether. But still because of ego and superego you stick on to the past. You just think, ”Oh I was an egg. Why should I become a chick?” The question is just like this now, “I am an egg. Why should I become a chick? And when I become the chick also I…” You go on saying, “Still the shells are there so we are struggling with the shells, breaking them.” Better to break them out and come. Come out of it. Come out of that shell. This is what it is. And these shells are…can be very dangerous for your progress, very dangerous. So when I go away I know this happens many a times. Should not happen but suddenly there will be a big attack from the negativity. Big attack will come. Remember the day of your realization, the feeling of your realization. They are all standing around to attack. When the big attack comes and one person starts murmuring. Christ has said about the murmuring souls. Half-baked people just jump into it. You see just have now perched on the edge. So you are bending this side and that side equally. When I am there you are bending that side. When I go away you may just drop down. So first of all stabilize yourself. That what Modi said, stabilize, stabilize, stabilize. You must stabilize yourself. If you stabilize yourself in full awareness...Not that I like it and I like it. You should know what the chakras is catching. Face it. I like it, I am in seventh heaven, all these fool’s paradise are of no use to Me. You have to face it as reality. See for yourself. Where is your chakra catching? What chakra is catching? How to cure it? How to put it right? And then you’ll see…you will be on top of the world. Really, it’s very interesting. You’ll be free of these worries. Free of all these problems. Just now your Sahasrara is catching. Just imagine. Now this is the worst thing that should catch. Not everybody’s but of some people. By that others are also catching. That’s why people who are doubting type, who are negative type we ask them to get out because we start sharing with them. That’s why there’s a problem. Now as Modi has said that for them it is very easy to know what I am. If they see the kundalini rising they know it’s Me because it’s written down, very clearly. Not in one book but at least any book that has anything to do with kundalini or anything to do with God. So they know. This is a very big handicap the western people have. And there are more [UNCLEAR TEXT/ cries] as they like. Because you see there’s a way of believing. It’s an organized way of moving. You see like Seventh Day Adventist or Born Again Adventist. All sort of things. Because the books that are written are not by realized souls. Now even bible was not written by Christ, for your information. Even bible was not written by Christ. Somebody can say Geeta is the last one. It was not written by Shri Krishna. None of them have written any books so far. Thank God for that. Because they would have changed those book and said this Krishna said and this Christ said. So what is the authority of the bible if you say it is Christ? Christ has never written it, finished. Now what is the authority of Christ you will only know when you are realized? Just put your hands towards Me and ask the question was he the Son of God? And you’ll feel the vibration. Because for Indians it is very difficult to accept Christ as Shri Ganesh, who is so powerful but yet nobody can reach Him and He was crucified. They cannot believe it. It is impossible for them to have such a miserable picture of Ganesha. They can’t believe it. Moreover the way we put Christ which is skeletons, see, it’s impossible for these people to believe that such a powerful personality is put like this. This is all our own imagination about Christ. He was never miserable. He was a very healthy hefty man. I always said he could be always compared with any Australian. Only he has been properly, let Me say, painted by Michelangelo who was a realized soul in Sistine chapel. He has shown a powerful man standing with a big stomach like that throwing people here and there. And this is what one has to understand that our conditioning has really narrowed us very low. And that narrowing has to be expanded. But thank God there is no organized religion in India. So they have made a mess out of it. But that doesn’t matter. They make fun of all the priest who come to their house. Do any worship and all that. They treat them just like useless people. Because they know mantras that’s why they say... They have no respect as they have respect for our priest you know. These priests who come to us are also not realized souls. If they are not realized then how can they talk about God. They cannot. What is their understanding? You see whatever they have read in the theological college from other unrealized people blind leading the blind into blind. Isn’t it? So we have to see. We have to see that there is knowledge much beyond our narrow vision. That’s why I have told you already. And getting into your realization you jump into it in no time. As Modi has said he does not have to ask me questions. It’s true. The whole knowledge is within you. You just start putting your attention to that knowledge. Then you get the answer. Somebody asked me in Australia, “All your disciples are the scholars?” I said, “What makes you think?” “They are so knowledgeable.” I said, “They have become knowledge, that’s why.” They are so knowledgeable. Even a little girl Amanda, who is hardly I think… what is here age…is about..? Yogini: Thirty Shri Mataji: About thirty. She speaks like a learned master. Really! Here she is. If you read her poem you will be surprised how beautifully she knows about things. So this is what should happen. But when you are mesmerized you just go…gaga…That’s my guru. That’s my this thing. Go on sitting like, moving like this all the time. Like a madcap. And if somebody talks to you they just think that you are off your head. You are all saying Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Hare Rama like a madcap. Or somebody who is jumping in the thing. I said, “What did you do?” “I did flying sidhis, you see.” He can’t keep his seat alright. And what flying is he going to do? Jumping in the air. Mad! really I tell you, one boy…he came to us. We don’t know if he had had experience or no experience. They just took My name and he jumped so far as that. He just can’t look at Me. He started rolling and ‘hoohoohoo’ he was on. They said, “What’s the matter?” He said, “I can’t look at Mother.” You see, She is just…I am so frightened of Her. What are you frightened about? There’s a bhoot in him who is just frightened. All sort of things we have had. Horrible! And they would come and scream in the ashram and this. So you see people from these things coming and we get the bad name for nothing at all. (Laughter) Very true. I wish this should not happen with this ashram, I beg of you. If you are screaming type you finish all that exhausted at home and then come back. You see we don’t want to have a bad name for nothing at all here. People jumping…you see all kinds of people coming to here because it's an open thing. But they come here and start jumping and screaming and shouting and growling. The neighbors see us…and they’ll put a notice against us. That’s exactly what happened you know in London. We had to change our place. And they…they themselves live like recluses in their little ashrams and this and that. Then they took out their clothes and jump and do all kinds of thing. And we are decent normal people, we live decently. And it is so surprising the way they behave so abnormal and obnoxious and horribly smelling. Their body is smelling and it's too much. And we did not know what to do with them. So we thought we should start another ashram for these people and from there they are cleansed then they should come in. Because it was too much and then the public really opposed us. And we had a bad name so we had to change the ashram. We went to another one. And there I took My foot down. I said anybody starts screaming ask them to get out, or shouting. And they do not take baths for days together…and filthy people, dirty people. They call themselves yogis. They have no sense of cleanliness, anything. And no…they sleep. All the time 24 hours they were sleeping you see. And we were just feeding them like children. Like a bottle being put in a little one. Again they wanted to sleep and sleep and sleep. And they paid thousands of pounds you see and they have taken to nothing but sleeping. Twenty four hours you won’t believe for weeks together. Just sleeping, getting up little bit in the morning again taking some food, nibbling something and again sleeping. They go on sleeping and they are mad people. They are mad, I tell you. Really mad. So I would say you must have been to all these people doesn’t matter. You have spend money, whatever you have done, forget it. But please do not come here to sleep, another to scream and third to jump and fourth to take out your clothes, you see. That’s another thing we have faced. I have to request you for that. In a program in India some people came. They started taking out their clothes. They first said, “Hwoo hwoo hwwoo”. And we looked at them. What are they up to? And suddenly they started taking out their cloths. And I, “Throw them out.” And then they went on the street and they took out their clothes and they were arrested. And everybody will say this happened in the Mataji’s program. Really I tell you, we have faced such horrible things that I must tell you. In England also it has happened. In England it has happened. All kinds of things, all sorts of funny people. You know when you go around you don’t know how many types of things you catch. There’s no end to it. One fellow just always used to come and go into tantrums like becoming a yogi. He used to breath in, breath out and make big sounds and all that. So now from where this mad man has come. But he would not go. We told him “Baba you go. whatever.” I said, “Baba, whatever you want I will tell you at home. You go home.” Then he told me that he…once he was in a war. Somewhere he was caught and then he escaped the jail or whatever it is, from prison somewhere. And he came out and he hide himself in one of the….shamashana, what do you call it? Yeah, cemeteries, one of the cemeteries somewhere. And in the cemetery I think some hath yogi must have caught hold of him. And he said I have never done Hath yoga. And his wife says once he starts he does it for three hours, four hours. He is just going rumbling into it, tumbling into it. The whole[UNCLEAR TEXT] he is doing like that. Now after three years he is alright. Poor fellow, he used to vomit blood, do every sort of thing but he could not get out of that kind of a thing. Now he is alright. Imagine three years but he used to do like that. You see so all these bhoots and all kind of tricks they do. They just stand up start shouting. Become so abnormal. In Sahaja yoga you become very normal, extremely normal person. All these abnormal thing you have to give up. Please understand. Or if you believe in abnormality sahaja yoga is not the place. You can go to any circus you want but not here. There is no circus on. You have to be normal. You have to dress up normally. There is no need to wear any particular dress, or any brand or any band. It’s in the heart. It’s in the heart. It’s in your kundalini. You are not to show off. They look exactly like you but immediately today I was coming in the car. Looked around…I knew there was something and there was a sahaja yogi. He got his realization only two weeks back and I saw him coming. I knew. You see if there is a sahaja yogi is there you don’t have to ask. You just reach there. You just reach there. Like when the people came from England, I told these people were coming. They did not know the names or anything. They just walked into them and they just walked into them, direct. Vibrations! (And) they know each other. Absolutely they know this is the sahaja yogi. There’s a…no need to ……This knowledge that what is vibrative and what is not vibrative comes to you because it is built within you. But just it is to be released. That’s all. Of course all these details that this centre is felt in this…and this and this and this…and all this details that I have told you is not known till before. The reason is it was never told to them. As he said that I have done the job so I know what it is. But even Bhramha himself, the creater Bhramha the one who was…who talked to some great seers and He said I know upto a point…beyond that I don’t know. The only… the One, the Primodial Mother will come. She will tell. But upto a point I can tell you. That’s a fact. But I am with you. I am your own. I am just like you, absolutely normal. And you can talk to Me. And you can understand. Is this intelligible? I speak your language. I mean what more can we do? I mean there cannot be anything more than that. But now that I am born in India, I have to be born somewhere. I am born a Christian. I have to be born in something. Everybody is branded, what to do. You may be born anywhere you are branded as this and that and that. But this branding goes to such a limit that in India people feel that Christ was born in England. It’s such a funny thing I tell you. So it doesn’t make a difference to Me where I was born and what I was [UNCLEAR TEXT]. Everything was done deliberately. But I was born a Christian for a particular…reasons also. But that doesn’t mean I am a Christian in the real sense of the world. That…what was Christ’s religion? In the same way you have no religion. You are beyond religion. Gunateet, Dharmateet. That’s just now...they described Christ. He is beyond Dharma. He is beyond religion. He is beyond Gunas. The roots, he is beyond it. So all these things to be done…understood. Because you are not here to profess something but you are here to be something. Professing is a profession. But to be is your right. It’s what it should be. So if you have any questions I have no objection. Sensible question should be nice because that’s how I know your problems. Man: I’m just gonna tell you an experience of innocence in children. On Friday my own nephew who has never seen You before, You kissed him three times on the head. We are not gonna [UNCLEAR TEXT] him. He asked me, “Could he have some water to drink?” and my little niece who has not seen you. And I gave him to drink the water you energized. And he started to laugh. And I said, “What's funny?” and he said, “There's a stick in my stomach.” Next day I put on a tape of You on the radio so that my sister could hear it. He was watching TV in the lounge room. He came straight into the kitchen room where it is being played and said right way, “I think you should put on a candle.” Shri Mataji: Children know Me too well. You see these are realized soul like first time we had a boy from….Of course in India I can understand but in England we had a boy called Kevin and he had a very miserable childhood. And he came with his father. He was hardly about five-six years of age, you see. And he came you see like a roman he stood before Me like this and just came and stood, said, “Mother, I bow to you.” And like that he went on and people couldn’t understand and said, “What are you doing standing like this, sit down, sit down. Bow bow bow. Everybody!” He started hitting everybody on the head and then there was a….I have a staircase. I have a staircase to go up. He said there is no red carpet or anything. Let us spread it. He brought one small carpet and threw it on that and he said, “Mother now you come.” And the way he was humble and everything you know, the whole thing worked. You see it was remarkable. They were surprised. Same he used to say, “What are you doing ? Where are you looking? Come, come, come along, see, see.” I mean the way he was seeing the whole thing he is a great sahaja yogi we have got in London. There were many like that. There were some muslim little boys who are very good. And so many of them. Like My own grandchildren are realized souls that in childhood when they were very small early in the morning they would be like puppies near My feet, you see. So, husband would say that, “What is this? In the morning time they are hugging on to your feet and..?” And so they would say, “We are sucking vibrations. We are sucking the cool breeze you see.” He couldn’t understand sucking the cool breeze and all that. But they are so sensitive. One day My maid put My saree on the ground. Immediately the younger one came and lifted it up. She put it there. Can’t you see whose saree is this? My Grandma’s, who knows you! Do you know who She is? What you’re doing by putting it on the ground? All Gods will be angry with you. She picked it up and put it to her eyes. She said, “Now don’t do it again. I am telling you.” She was hardly three years. Hardly three years. Woman: You recognized the child the other day who You said was born realized. What is the role of a parent of such a child who can also be very naughty and very difficult on occasions? Shri Mataji: Yes they can be because, you see, you don’t understand them so they play pranks and tricks on you, you see. So best thing is to get realized, bring them to the ashram here. Woman: Yes. Shri Mataji: And then they will start. You see they cannot manifest their realization so then they get naughty with the parents, you see. They really get naughty with the parents. They don’t know what to do with them. Like My own granddaughter eldest one she told me one day very seriously that you are after all the Goddess I know, Mother, Grandmother, but one thing is there. Can You do some mistakes in life? I said, “Why?” She said, “There is one thing I don’t understand. Why didn’t You give realization to my mother when she was born? Now she is very difficult for me.” I said, “Really?” “Yes”, she said, “Now she has become hard. It’s difficult. But at childhood…in childhood You should have given realization. But I said, “You must ask.” “Not for children. It’s alright for a…older people that they should ask but for children You could have given her realization. It would have been much better for me. Now she is very hard.” So on their side they cannot understand. Now your infatuation with Indira Gandhi is over or not? You better go to India. I tell you. No no no no. I will tell you for Indira Gandhi you better go to India. Take a house there and stay with her. It’s a good idea. What are you going to gain from Me? I have nothing to do with them. Questioner: I just…I’ve asked You a number of question. And You’ve answered them very very well. But I have got two or three remaining ones. If I can ask You…. Shri Mataji : But the…. Questioner: Well if I can just read the question out? It’s not an easy one. Shri Mataji: Are you My examiner? Questioner: No, No…. Shri Mataji: Then what? Question: I am not a journalist. I am, I am just a Shri Mataji: No no no. But what am I saying…why are you asking Me questions? In what relationship? Question: I…I really would be happy to know the answer. Shri Mataji: But why? But what right have you got to know the answers from Me? First of all let’s see this point. Man: Sure sure. Shri Mataji: Alright? Man: Yes I understand so. Shri Mataji: See this it that the way you are taking the time. Then if it is something to do with sahaja yog I don’t mind answering. Man: Fine. Shri Mataji: But you ask Me questions like Indira Gandhi. Like the other day we were taking a TV thing from… with Me. And one man who has taken the photograph of Jawaharlal Nehru about twenty five years back. I don’t know how he was carrying lots of photograph with him. I don’t know what he is. Suddenly he saw Me and came rushing to Me, stop stop, stop, stop. And I was busy with the TV person. I though he must be something to do with the TV. I thought – see the one who’s calling. So I stopped. He came he opened his bag. You see they are all preoccupied with their own things. Whatever it is. Why involve Me poor thing? See, and he opened it. And he said, “Now You must wait, You must wait.” I thought he has something to do with this lady. See I didn’t know he has done nothing. He said, “Just wait, just wait, I have to tell you very important, very important. I said, “Why Me?” He said, “No, no You only because You are an Indian.” He took out a very old photograph of Jawahar Lal ji. And he said, “See this is the photograph, one of the photographs I have.” So I asked this lady, “Is it your program? TV?” She said, “I have nothing to do with it.” So I said, “Why is he asking Me?” And he took half an hour for that only. And this lady thought that I know him. So this is it. So you see what I am saying, you are here for realization. If you want to take realization you take it. But why do you want to ask Me questions which are irrelevant to this program? Alright? With relevance….If there is something relevant with it I don’t mind. But there is no relevance. Is there anything relevant? Man: There is one question. Just one. Shri Mataji: Oh alright, Thanks. So we reduced out of three to one. I hope it is relevant. Question: Fine, fine. You speak out against public display of embrace or kisses between the sexes. Yet I’d seen you spontaneously embrace females in Your own audience. Can you explain that as well. (gasping by people followed by laughter). Shri Mataji : You see. That I must tell. No No. Embrace is very good. But you must embrace your own sex…is your women... You see in India if you tell anyone ‘homosexuals’ they don’t understand. You see even Modi or anyone they are educated but we don’t understand. You see this is your brains…have gone this far. For us we have no idea as to what is this between women and men, we don’t understand, you see. Women…we always sleep with women, live together. We have no such problem. You see our brains are not so developed. (Laugher by crowd) So we really don’t understand. We are too…too stupid to understand that. You see and… I was surprised….we, we…not only that but supposing our Raul Bai has come in. She won’t sleep with…in My bed because I am the Goddess or something but any woman sleeps with any woman and hundreds of them sleep together. We have no problem. But we will never take bath in the presence of each other. You see embracing a child is a very important and loving a child is even more important. Alright but not an elder man than Me embracing just embracing. That’s not done. Not done. Man : Cuddling? Cuddling on the street? Shri Mataji: Cuddling on the street is embarrassing you know. Cuddling on the streets and going to the divorce case later on. Man: Yeah. Thank you very much. Shri Mataji: Alright? Man: Thank you. Shri Mataji: So this is all absurd ideas. You will also get rid of them. This is some sort of wave that has come that you become homosexual and this and that. I mean still I do not understand, I am telling...I cannot understand it. You see, doesn’t go into My brain. But even Modi said he doesn’t understand. And I asked [UNCLEAR TEXT] and he was quite shocked. He said, “What?” Moreover they are shocked when you take baths together. They just can’t understand how men can take baths together. They just can’t understand. I mean you see we are so simple that I’ll tell you that when My husband was First Secretary General there, I mean he used to embrace all of them and all of them do embrace even the Arabs and all the Eastern people embrace each other. But I told him, “Do you know this?” After three years. He said, “God, really! I didn’t know.” (Shri Mataji laughs) He said, “They used to be suddenly shocked. I didn’t know why.” It’s surprising I tell you, really how we are. Hey, do you brand everybody as homosexual? You mean every woman is homosexual or what? Questioner: No no Shri Mataji: No no no no no. But what do you do I mean when you say that? I mean I am just saying that if a woman holds anybody’s hand do you condemn both of them as homosexuals or what? Is it? I mean I am just wanting to know? (Multiple people reply in the background) Shri Mataji: Huh? According to you every women is homosexual? Woman: No no no no. Not according to me. Shri Mataji: No No. According to the….. Woman: According to public people. Shri Mataji: Yes? Is it? Woman: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Every women is? Woman: I think they do. Shri Mataji: Really? Every women is according to you? Crowd: No no no…. Woman: No no no. Not according to us. Shri Mataji: No no. But according to public of Australia. Crowd: No no…[Unclear] Women: To a lot of extent. To a great extent. If I walk on the street and I hold a girls hand because I love her. Because she is my friend and I love her. Then people look at us and say, “Why are these women holding hand? They must have some relationship that is bad.” Shri Mataji: Naturally you are not going to hold your [UNCRLEAR TEXT/dogs] hand. Man: Depends where you [UNCRLEAR TEXT] Women: No it doesn’t..no,no. Because I really like holding my girl friend’s hands. I really like walking down… Shri Mataji: I mean its natural. Woman: Yeah, its natural. Shri Mataji: And you feel better with a girl than a man. You know. (laughter by crowd) Shri Mataji: Isnt it? A girl would like to hold a girl’s hand and man should like to hold a man’s hand. It’s natural, absolutely. Man : Not common here... Shri Mataji: You see and we don’t touch any man in India. Woman: But in India everybody walks…..the men walk hand in hand. And the women walk hand in hand. And it’s good. Shri Mataji: Ah Huh? Yes. But you see there is something…a total understanding in their upbringing. I think it may be in our good conditioning that you see if a younger person…say for example you are much younger to Me or somebody much younger to Me…is like My brother-in-law or something. He can touch Me and I can touch him because he is like My brother. You see he is younger to Me. But a person who is older than Me I am not supposed to touch. Neither he will touch, never. Even as a Goddess he will not. He will touch My feet. That’s all. They need not touch My body. It’s done like that. It’s accepted. We don’t understand these things you know. First thing I discovered in London, this thing, when we had a visitor, just came to correct the gas. Now imagine a person like Me so ignorant and my two servants. The elder one was 75 and another was about 31. Poor things they were busy with the man who came, the young man. And they were talking to him just like they would talk to any young man. That he is English. Let’s go to London, we will go together and there will enjoy very much. And the older….the old man was as they tease in India. They… was teasing him like this…like that. See we do like this to younger people. And they are….they were very natural you see. And this man went and reported to the fellow. And they did they telephoned to Me, “You better tell Your servants to behave themselves. They are little funny type. They can’t…. (Crowd laughs) So I said, “What? [UNCLEAR TEXT] why will they do it?” I just couldn’t understand, you see. So I asked the servents what happened. Nothing we were just joking with him and enjoying him and all that. So I did not understand and we had a sahaja yogi there. You see, that was Gregorie. (laughingly) Swiss fellow you see. And I told him, “What is he saying I don’t follow. What is his complaint? I don’t understand. So his face went red you see. He said, “Shut up, you. Don’t give ideas. They don’t understand these things. I said, “What happened?” Mother I can’t tell You. I am sorry can’t tell You. I said, “What happened? What did these people do I must correct them.” “They did not do anything. It was the head of that fellow…was wrong”. But I said what happened you tell Me. So he called my neighbor who was an English lady. And he told her what had happened. So she came, gave Me one hour lecture on this. She said, “You know in this country there are homosexuals.” I said, “What is this? What did they do?” I mean I did not know and poor thing I broke her completely. You know as you are asking Me questions I asked her questions. So she told Me all this story about it. And she said told that, “You better tell Your servant that they should not touch any man who comes here.” So I called both the servants and I tell them, “You should not touch any man who comes to see you. Because I was half based Myself. So they said, “Why are they women that we should not touch them?” Only women are not to be touched in India. But they are men. “Are they women?” I said, “They are in the dress of men, but they are women. So don’t touch them.” (Laughter by people) They did not know how to understand. They said, “Are they women that we should not touch them?” They couldn’t understand this thing when I said they should not touch them. Are they women? They…Now just to explain, they are men to look at but they are women so don’t touch them. They said, “How can we believe?” I said, “Alright don’t believe it. But I am telling you not to touch them. That’s all. So I cannot tell you anymore.” They started wondering, “What’s the matter with the lady?” Women: Is there no homosexuality in India? Shri Mataji: No I mean nobody is conscious of it. You see, may be some madcaps might be doing it. You see we have mad people also, we have lunatic asylums we have everything. But not to this extent. I mean I have never heard of these things before. I did not know….. Man: Very rare, very rare… Shri Mataji: Very rare, I mean, they don’t understand these things you see. It’s a very different upbringing altogether. Women will sit together. Men will sit together. There’s nothing like that. We do not understand these things at all. Man: I can’t understand anything wrong with a man and woman holding hands or... Shri Mataji: Yeah… Man: …walking down the street…Is this just perhaps a cultural difference? Because I am sure there is. Shri Mataji: You see… because… you see…you are being conditioned like that. You see that’s why. It is conditioning. What is wrong? I mean you hold somebody’s hand. Do you thing...hands are….Where is hand…..what will go wrong with you. I mean I just can't understand such a…I mean by touching somebody what is going to happen? See he is a man. You are a man. I mean I think… Man: No he is asking, if a man and a women hold hands. What’s wrong with that? Shri Mataji: No. Of course a man and a women is not….because if man is the…You see then there is no morality. What is it? If you hold any man’s hand…See, Why should you hold? Only you should hold the hands of younger people where there is no question of sex or anything. Then anybody can hold anybody’s hand. See there should be certain limits about things. You see, we do not hold anybody’s hand in India, woman. Only with woman or with smaller people. You see we never hold hands like that but the girl…you see, if there’s a woman walking, we will hold hands always. We’ll never go separate. We will always walk with holding hands because it's easier if are crossing or something you know each other, you can tell, you can communicate. But you do not only communicate sex you know. This is the trouble. How can you communicate sex to a woman I still don’t understand very… to be very frank with you. Now that’s how some of our conditioning is…little conditioning. Man: We’ve destroyed the quality of innocence because we are so scared about what people are going to say. You know if we touch somebody or something. We are so scared. Shri Mataji: That’s it. You see My child. This is the thing. Nothing wrong. I mean. Man : We have such….Our culture is so down at the moment. Shri Mataji: I mean…haa…that's the…that’s it. You have said it. Really that is it. Even I mean if sometimes a man touches us we do not feel so startled. But normally we don’t touch men who are older than us. And the men who do not touch girls who are younger than them. But very young girls they will. You see we’ll be amazed how My husband, you have seen him, I mean, My daughter sleep with him in the same bed. And I sleep with My son-in-laws if they are there…we all. We never get sex ideas at all into our heads. It never goes. You see it never comes. I don’t know from where this idea comes. When you are with your father you don’t get ideas of sex. Man: I think there are couple of good reasons for holding on to the…even if the… precisely...there are some rough people around. Shri Mataji: Hmm…Then this is better. Man : If you’ll go to [UNCLEAR TEXT] two paces to that side in the wrong street you’ll get something like that coming along and you know, whispering you know making a bastard. If you hold on to it, You are saying… Shri Mataji: Yes that is there. Then there is no harm at all. You see that’s why I am saying it’s the protection. It is the protection. I mean that is the only idea that comes to to [UNCLEAR TEXT]. But then unnecessarily if you are holding onto My hand it doesn’t look nice. It is indecent. But what I am saying is if for women when they are walking they always hold hands because it’s a…they need all the time protection. They should know….in a group they go mostly. You see it’s a very different attitude, I mean. I don’t know. We’ll take at least a hundred years to develop somewhere near but I don’t know. It’s something that is over developed. I think that’s what is true. Is innocence is lost. That’s why in innocence you see you don’t feel all these things. I mean never comes to our head. Never. You see all time people are flirting. This man is flirting with that women. All the time it's madness I tell you. Actually, don’t you go mad with this? On the street you are flirting. You go out you are flirting. You are seeing something you are flirting. In group you are…Aree Baba, you will go mad I tell you, really. Seeing you I feel funny. It’s exhausting, I tell you. And why do you flirt? What is the joy? Because there is no joy in flirting at all. What is it? Just think about it. What is the joy? When you will be seeing somebody like this and seeing another one like a poster hanging in the air…walls you see. You must see very poster and go on like that. Just can’t understand this madness. She felt I am really exhausted. She brought something. No but it is true. Just… It's not logical. Isn’t it? Man: But there is joy. What is that called? Is it a burpiness? Is it weakness Shri Mataji: I think it is… Man: Because I do enjoy looking at all of them, yeah. This is the bonus, its lack of control… Shri Mataji: I…You see what I found that when My western sahaja yogis, some of them they say it’s a bhoot. I said, “How do you know?” They said, “We experimented with it.” I said, “How?” One of them said, “You see…” One of them said that I was just standing and suddenly I felt I must look back. And then I looked back and there was a woman standing.” So I said, “Really?” Then I said that, “It was that she had a bhoot in her and I had a bhoot and they had a nice talk to each other. So they enjoyed each other and like a fool we turned around both of us, looked at each other blank. And while they were enjoying. That's what they were saying. That we have experimented why this happens, you see. And the only way to get out of it is to put your eyes on the Mother Earth. Just Mother Earth. She takes away all these bhoots into Her. It’s really horrible and that’s why you get troubles. So many troubles you get. Of your attention see if…..imagine…..I mean it is unimaginable also. About say hundred years back if somebody had told Me that you have to all the time see like this…I mean its mad thing isn’t it? I mean Your attention wobbling all the time. Just think of it, so logical. But the basics are missing. Like I was telling him that in India from childhood the parents will say, “Where is your attention? Chitta kutte? Where is your attention?” See that is never said here, “Where is our attention?” So you have to keep your mind on the attention. Where is it going? See so chitta nirodha is the basis of Indian life. And because you are brought up like that even if we do wrong we know it is wrong. It’s bad. You see that attention is to be controlled is not here. Because of your ego orientation. What’s wrong? Then wherever attention goes it gathers all the rubbishness. Like English came to all over the places. They tried loot them, they carried all the stuff with them. Now they are worried about their migration…immigration. Why did you go? Who asked you to go to other countries? It is like that. When you put your attention to something you get back all the rest. So the attention should be first of all stabilized. Now attention has to be respected. See our attention to be very very respected. Why should we put our (attention) to anyone…. I mean, it’s not dignified. It looks so funny you know. Everybody looking at you like this, you know. Very embarrassing …Feel very self conscious I mean. We don’t understand what's wrong with you the way people are looking at you like that. (Shri Mataji laughs) It seems...it is I tell you…It is funny. For people like us who are not used to this kind of thing. All Indian ladies said, “They…what are they doing?” I said, “They are flirting?” So they said, “What is that?” “That’s the system.” I said. What system is that? Said they are trying to enjoy, you see. But she said, “How can you enjoy? Whatever is your own you should enjoy. You enjoy your wife. What’s the use of enjoying such people. You never enjoy.” I said, “It is true. [In Hindi/ Whatever is yours thing]… Whatever is your thing you should enjoy, your thing. How can you enjoy somebody else’s thing? I said, “They enjoy with their mental…mentally. And that’s how our mind has become nothing but sex point. Just see where are we reduced to. Just think of it. You are saints. That’s why Christ has pointed out. And imagine Christian nations are doing most of all. We never knew of adulterous eyes. He is the one who said that thou shall not have adulterous eyes. So the Christians said, “Alright we will have them.” They fixed them up properly. Whatever is said they do just the opposite. They [UNCLEAR TEXT/ordered] for it. To get adulterous eyes, isn’t it? Same…just like in India…It is said that everybody has got the spirit. Now how can you have caste system in India? But they made caste. You see what they actually said is the aptitude of a person. If you are a person who is seeker is a Brahmin. If you are a warrior or you are seeking power then you are kshatriya. Like that they made aptitude…as a…your aptitude…you see born with aptitude. Here they made it according to your birth. How can that be? And they said it is written in the Gita. They have changed it. They have changed the Gita completely. Because the one who has written the Gita was himself, was an illegitimate child of a fisher woman. How can he say? The proof is that this. How can you say you are born a Brahmin? They have changed it? They said you are born. And if these are the Brahmins God save us. These are the devils. Calling themselves Brahmin. Most of the Brahmins in India are devils. Absolutely devils. Most of them. Don’t say this to Indira Gandhi otherwise she is also a Brahmin you know. I mean all of…… Man: [UNCLEAR TEXT/ English] people love her. Shri Mataji: No no no no I am not saying they love her but I am saying that…I don’t say all the Brahmins but so many Brahmins are… Man: Sure…yeah. Shri Mataji: I do not want to have anything to do with the politics alright. So keep me out. Man: I understand. Another man: Can we learn to clear our own chakras? Shri Mataji: Huh? Another Man: Can we learn to clear our own chakras? Shri Mataji: Of course. That’s the power you have. That is self-realization. You start realizing what is in you. You do…all of them are clearing out. That’s a very good question. And you do. You can. That is what you are empowered to cure, your own chakras and chakras of others. One Woman: How? Second woman: Yeah. How? Shri Mataji: Alright I will tell you…Modi tell how it is done. Sit sit …Modi will tell you because I have never cleared my chakras, you know. Let us hear from him how he has done. You see some of these problems I have never had you see. So even to tell this is not easy. (Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi) Gradually you can learn. Slowly slowly you can pick up. Mr. Modi: We covered some subject on this in the first lecture when I spoke to them first. Shri Mataji: Is it so? Mr. Modi: yes some of it was covered. Shri Mataji: But…they were not…All of them were not… You were not there, all of you. Mr. Modi: Now how to clear the chakras…are the very important questions. And ….. Shri Mataji: (in Marathi) Mr. Modi: I expressed it. I’ll just narrate what I said earlier to those who were not present. So that we can catch up to that very well. When you meditate it is the inwardness of your attention. When you go into meditation I mean to say this is from the sahaja yoga point of view I have no controversy as far as I am concerned. So I imagine that you also have no controversy. Now when you meditate or we meditate in sahaja yoga our attention is inwards. Towards ourselves in kundalaini. Shri Mataji: It is automatically there. Mr. Modi: It is automatically thing. Nothing has to be done. It automatically happens everywhere. Shri Mataji: Because the happening is there inside. Because the kundalini is working it out. That’s why your attention is attracted. After realization you can go inside. You can see somewhere heaviness somewhere...you can even now feel it. Mr. Modi: Second point I suggested earlier was to feel the kundalini. I said you put down your both the hands towards the photograph because Mataji was not there that time. Now Mataji is also here. All of you can put down your hands like that. You will feel that the cool breeze is coming. Now when the cool breeze is coming to you…even if your eyes are open by looking at your hands you will come to know that the cool breeze is coming in my hands, ok. But there are how many centers? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven and this one eight. As many centre are there. Now you identify on which chakras are you getting cool vibrations. Shri Mataji: Put your hand straight, like this. Mr. Modi: If you put your hands you will come know on which hands…. (Shri Mataji speaks in marathi) Mr. Modi: You have to put both the hands. You have to see whether on left hand you are getting vibrations or on the right hand you are getting vibrations. Shri Mataji: Or both the hands? Mr. Modi: Or both the hands are getting cool vibrations? Shri Mataji: Or which is more which is less? You see for yourself. Mr. Modi: Alright Mr. Modi: In which hand you are getting more vibrations? In which…I mean…hand you are getting less vibrations? Woman: Does vibrations mean the same as..? Shri Mataji: Cool breeze. Yes of course. Mr. Modi: Cool breeze. I mean to say… Shri Mataji: Not tingling or anything. No.. Mr. Modi: Now if somebody is getting any hot sensations then that means…. Shri Mataji: After sometime it will improve… Mr. Modi: It will improve but that I will explain to you subsequently. Because that is another side to be explained little later on. So once you start feeling…now supposing on this chakra, that is on this finger if some of you are not getting vibrations as much as you are getting over here then there is something wrong with this particular chakra. (Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi) Mr. Modi: Ok. In order that you should have a balance in both the hands, what we do is a little exercise. It’s a just…. (Shri Mataji speaks to Mr. Modi in Marathi) Mr. Modi: Now supposing in one of the hands you are not getting cool vibrations I mean as much as in the another hand, the hand in which you are not getting enough vibrations should be drawn out of the window, towards the window. (Shri Mataji speaks to Mr. Modi in Marathi) Shri Mataji: He is confused. Mr. Modi: No, no, I am not. Shri Mataji: No, no you understand it, right? In Marathi it is different and in English it is different. So Mr. Modi: You see in one hand, supposing in the left hand you are not getting vibrations Shri Mataji: So you put towards the photograph. Mr. Modi: That hand should be Shri Mataji: You have to get more vibration. Mr. Modi: Like that. Supposing the left hand you are getting….you are not getting enough vibrations, so you put left hand towards your Mother. Ok? If you are not getting the right hand enough vibrations… Shri Mataji: Just now I am sitting so you put towards Me. Mr. Modi: ..then you put the right hand. Which one….whichever hand you are not getting enough vibrations out of the two. The one which is carrying less vibrations you should put it towards the Mother. Shri Mataji: Alright…This is correct. Mr. Modi: Then... Shri Mataji: Another one should be.. Mr. Modi: The another hand, you just either put it...since you are in the room you can either put it like that, up. Shri Mataji: Straight…another one. Another one. At that like this not … Mr. Modi: So that it cannot be towards Mother. No no no. Not like that. It should be like that. That’s it. So this way.. Shri Mataji: The one which is getting less should be towards the photograph. And the one which is getting more should be at the back. (Women talking in the background) Woman 1:[UNCLEAR TEXT] vibrations coming in. Woman 2:[UNCLEAR TEXT] cool vibrations coming in. Woman 3: ….there’s wind coming in.. Mr. Modi: This is where …This is exactly where you have got to develop your sensitivity. Shri Mataji: Ah hmmm. Woman: Yeah, yeah. Mr. Modi: This is where you have to develop your…..No not that way, this way. Man: You feel it…you feel the wind massaging your [UNCLEAR TEXT]. Then you can differentiate between external wind… Mr. Modi: and what is coming from the vibrations….both you can differentiate. Shri Mataji: Afterwards even if you are in the wind you will know, what is which you see. You just develop a little bit of sensitivity. Mr. Modi: So this exercise for a while Shri Mataji: Now there is no wind…much coming actually. Just close the door, let’s see. It’s better. So we used to put off all the air conditioners you see in the hall for the same reason. Just put ……close it I think. Woman: Very difficult Mother with people sitting [UNCLEAR TEXT] Shri Mataji: Just, just close it. Mr. Modi: [UNCLEAR TEXT] You come in. Shri Mataji: It's alright you can wait outside for a while. Doesn’t matter. Mr.Modi: Some people who are, Mataji,..coming… Shri Mataji: No [UNCLEAR TEXT] Come from this side. Come along from this side. They are all sahaja yogis. Aren’t they? Yes, they can come from this side. Alright, they are all sahaja yogis. They have been with us. Poor sahaja yogis are thrown out and you are inside. They are very sensible. They understand. Yeah. Mr. Modi: Now with this… Shri Mataji: Now…now, are you feeling it? Mr. Modi: You again put both the hands towards Mother. Shri Mataji: Now see Mr. Modi: Whether you are getting equal vibrations in both the hands. If you get equal vibrations then that is an ideal situation. Now you can see in which particular finger there is a either heaviness, tingling sensation or burning sensation or itching… Shri Mataji: Or numbness. Mr. Modi: Or numbness. Shri Mataji: You have to develop the sensitivity. You see, just now because you are realized most of the time you will be feeling vibrations also. But then gradually the kundalini goes then and points it out you see. Then you start feeling…Now see. Where do you feel the heaviness? Yes that’s it. If you are feeling there on these fingers that means the left side is weak. Mr. Modi: Now supposing…now I will have to give you an… Shri Mataji: It will clear out. Mr. Modi: ….some examples at random you see. I will give you some examples at random. Shri Mataji: If the whole of the hand is catching it’s better to put another hand up like that. It clears out much more…faster. You put right up there. Yes. The left will clear out. Just like this. You see it's like a chimney going out. Now it's better? Women: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Put your hand like this. Like this…Like this…You see so the outlet is there. If both hands are towards Me then there's no outlet. So you put one hand towards Me and this is the outlet. See some people…now when one hand clears out much faster. Man: The hand that catches we put towards You? Shri Mataji: Yeah, the hand that catches and has less vibrations all that. Catches more put it towards Me. Man : I always get numbness and tingling on the little finger. Shri Mataji: And then….Have you been to some…He’s been to some? Man: Yes…This is Aneek’s friend. Shri Mataji: Huh? Man: This is Aneek’s friend. Aneek from Paris. Shri Mataji: Ahhh….I know, I know. It’s alright. That’s an indication….Watch it [UNCLEAR TEXT]…Now once it is cleared out now you see your… Man : Cool breeze.. Shri Mataji: Now there… Man: Its gone. Shri Mataji: Its gone…Now this one is? Where is it? Man : That one? Shri Mataji: Its alright. Man: yes… Shri Mataji: Now see…the…only in Sahasrara, this is the point where two are. Its very important too…that the right side goes to the left and left goes to the right. You see, mostly right hand catching means your ego is catching and the left side catching Mr. Modi: May I explain? Shri Mataji: Yes tell everything (To Mr. Modi). (To audience) is the superego catching. Alright? So he will explain to Me? [UNCLEAR TEXT] Now I think you sit more relaxed. I’ll go inside. And he will tell you everything into details what is to be done. Alright? For a while. Why don’t you come up from there… [UNCLEAR TEXT] I will look after the sahaja yogis. Now feel relaxed. You sit down. Relax. Move out a little. He will explain to you and you can discuss. Mr. Modi: Put bandans over there and the heaviness can be removed. How the bandhans are to be put how the things can be removed. The heaviness can be removed? How the burning sensation can be removed? This you can learn practically after about another two minutes of my explanations to you. Like this all the seven chakras could be identified. And all the seven chakras can be cleared. Now I have to tell you only one thing which is about ego and super ego. How they cross? That is the only thing I will tell you. And then I would request the sahaja yogis who are staying over here to again stand by so that you can mix with the group. One sahaja yogi can answer two or three people over here. Man: Mother would like to have the sahaja yogis. Mr. Modi: All of them there? Man: I think.. Another man: You can try[UNCLEAR TEXT/Phil]? Mr. Modi: I think one or two of them. Man: [UNCLEAR TEXT/Phil] just taped me on the shoulder and said sahaja..Mother would like sahaj…sahaja yogi.. Mr. Modi: OK

Talk to new Sahaja Yogis Mr. Modi : This Nirvichar Samadhi comes to you because of the Adishakti. This we found. This aspect of Adishkati we found in Mataji. And therefore there was no question. When the state of thoughtless awareness came… Shri Mataji : (speaking in Marathi) Mr. Modi: ok. Shri Mataji: ...else they will not understand. You see he is so clear cut. But he knows the difference between the mesmerism and the nirvichara Samadhi. So It’s better to tell the other way around I said. Because you see, he is there clear cut, you see. But you do not know that part that’s why. [UNCLEAR TEXT] You don’t know. They confuse nivichar Samadhi with mesmerism. Woman: Ah..yeah Shri Mataji: Also you see… Mr. Modi : Well if you are mesmerized and got the nirvichar samadhi the greatest difference will be…kundalini will be frozen as it should be. And therefore (Shri Mataji and Mr. Modi speaking in Marathi) Shri Mataji: Yes. (Laughter) Shri Mataji : You see because this is not there explained in any of your…any books. So how will you know. You see, that mesmerism what happens? You see and what is a kundalini awakening and with Kundalini awakening you get nivichar Samadhi. You see means crossing of the Agnya. Is not possible without the Primordial Mother being there. She is the only one who can do it. It’s precisely said. In am-mass basis though it is out of question for anybody else. It’s very clearly…I mean books after books are written like this. Mr. Modi: And Indian scriptures are full of these things. But when the kundalini rises…I mean by collective consciousness one can feel that well in a particular person if I can see which state of kundalini… whether it has risen or not? Whether thoughtless awareness is felt or not? This has to happen by the grace of Adishakti. And we have found out ourselves that it is because of Mataji this has happened. If Mataji was not there this would have never happened. And therefore we feel that kundalini awakening is a must. After kundalini is awakened by the Grace of Shri Mataji you should get a thoughtless awareness state in your own total freedom. There cannot be a bias to it. If there is a bias kundalini will not again rise. And all these expressions which we have felt…this can be seen by another sahaja yogi. That is why Mataji in my first lecture I told them that first of all rather than questioning you go into the meditation. And feel where is your kundalini. Can you feel your kundalini? If you can’t feel your kundalini something is wrong with you. Find out…(Shri Mataji gestures laughingly and is followed by crowd laughing) Shri Mataji : He is at that level you know. (Shri Mataji’s hand held high) Actually he is…Modi is at a very high level also. Mr. Modi : Mother but many of them have felt it. Shri Mataji : No no.. Mr. Modi : They have found out their chakras. They have found out their defect. Of course this fifty percent of this group was not here. First meditation program was there. Fifty percent of the group had probably gone to Wurunda and they were not over there. So this more or less a repetition for them. Shri Mataji : You see, what he is saying is true. But you see, the thing is they do not have ego problems there. This is the main thing he doesn’t know. What happens when you are mesmerized or you are ego pampered, you see, you cannot differentiate because basically they know that the kundalini has to rise. Now how do you know there is kundalini rising. That they should…must feel cool breeze on their back. You see so they know it is…kundalini has risen. You see, anybody whose kundalini is risen they know that it is risen. Whether I am there or not to tell them is not the point. But they know it is the cool breeze that shows. You see here the people can even doubt that. You see. Because basic knowledge you don’t have, right? This is the basic problem, you see. They are at that level…they know most…you see they know what is what. Supposing you know what is Australia. Alright then you know this is the place you have landed. This is the place. But if you don’t know about it and you never heard about it. People have not even heard of the name kundalini, what it is supposed to be. You see so many people thought kundalini was the horoscope. (Laughter by crowd) Yeah. With such people when you are talking then they have doubts. Isn’t it? This is the problem. But in the…. India you see, people know that I awaken kundalini, that they know that I am the Adishakti and they know everything but they do not have the desires as you have to be awakened. This is the problem. That’s why he is meaning they are very deep. They are. They are seekers. And there we don’t have seekers. You see as if when you have teeth you don’t have food and when you have food you don’t have teeth. This is the thing. So when he is saying that, he is saying from that level where the understanding is complete for Indians. Anybody who is brought up in Indian culture, who knows something about Indian philosophy and Indian things, who knows, who's a Hindu, in the sense that he has studied Adi Shankaracharya, who was the founder of Hinduism at that time. If he has read it then he knows for definite that this is this. You see they know all the background of bible. For them it is not difficult to accept Christ at all. Just like that they are understood. Because He is described in their bibles…in their books. He is described clearly that He is like this, He will be like this..He will be that…So they can put two-two together. His name is Maha Vishnu – doesn’t matter. So for them it is easier because they already have read it…about it. But are they not… they don’t want it….they don’t want realization yet because they are still developing countries, you see. While you want it but your ego is so developed that you are just questioning Me. Why so? That’s what he cannot understand because they don’t question Me. [UNCLEAR TEXT] are seekers and they just want it. That’s all. Finished. Thousands you know six thousand people coming just …from all village they come by bullock carts this that…they get realization. Six thousand people you can see very clearly. Man : They all use simple bullock carts. Shri Mataji : Very simple people. And here this is the problem. Is that you question all the time, question. You don’t know…you want realization still you question. Lady: This is… is it about education? Shri Mataji : I don’t know. Whatever it is. I don’t want to blame anything. But it is true. I mean because you have had no education about it also. I mean you don’t know what it is. That’s what I said bible you understand so narrowly. It’s so deep. To say only that it’s alpha and omega. Now what do you mean by that? There is a big mantra on that. (Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi) Shri Mataji: He’ll say the whole thing. What describes Christ….now you listen to him. (Shri Mataji Speaks in Marathi- ha suna, atharva shirsha mandha) Shri Mataji: Complete…this is the description. See now. Mr. Modi : That is the description of Lord Jesus. Om twameva pratyaksham tatvamasi, Twameva kevalam kartasi, Twameva kevalam dhartasi, Twameva savadam kalvidam bhrahmasi, Twam sakshat atma si nityam, Ritam vachmi, satyam vachmi, Ava twamam, ava vaktaram, Ava shrotaram, Ava dhataram, Avanu chananam, ava paschatat, Shri Mataji: These are the aspects of his powers. Mr. Modi : Ava purastat. Ava chodhvaratat, Ava dharatat, Sarvato mam pahi pahi samantat, Twam vangmayas twam chin mayas, Twam anandamays twam bhrahma mayas, Twam sachidanada dwitiyosi, Twam pratyaksham bhrahmasi, Twam gyanamyo vigyana mayosi, Saravam jagadidam twato jayate, Sarvam Jagadidam twatishtasthiti, Sarvam jagadidam twayi pratyeti, Twam bhoomi rapo nalo nilo nabhaha, Twam chatwari vakpadani, Twam guna taraya teetaha, Twam deha traya teetaha, Twam kala traya teetaha, Twam mooladhara sthitosi nityam, Twam shaktit trayatmakaha, Twam yogino dhyayanti nityam, (UNCLEAR TEXT/Mr. Modi says something in Marathi) Shri Mataji : No no, keep saying… Mr. Modi : Twam yogino dhayanti nityam… Shri Mataji: All the yogis worship…take a…meditate on you. Yes..I mean so many. The whole description is there. What is alpa omega? Alpha and omega? What does that mean? It’s such a vague terminology. It’s like saying how do you go to Australia? London and Australia finished. What does that mean? Mr. Modi : Twam Bhramha, Twam Vishnus, Twam Rudras, Twam Indras, Twam Agnis, Twam Vayus, Twam Sooryas, Twam Chandramas, Twam Bhrama bhoor bhuwaswarom, Ganadhim poorvam ucharya, Varandhim tadanantaram, Anuswara para tarah, Aradhendu lasitam, Tarenu rudham, Etattwa manuswa roopam, Gakaro surya roopam, Akaro poorva roopam, Anuswara chanta ritya roopam, Bindu rutatra roopam, Nadha sandhana sandhi saisha, Ganesha vidya, Ganaka rishihi, Nichrid gayatri chandaha, Ganapatir devata, Om Gam Ganapataye namaha. Eka dantay vidmahe, vakratundaya demahi, Tanno danti prachodaya, Ekadantashcha, Chaturhastam, Pasham ankusha dharinam, Radam cha varadam hastairhi bhibhranam, Mooshaka dhwajm, Raktam Lambodaram, Shoorpakarnakam, Rakta vasasam, Rakta gandhanu liptangam, Rakta pushpai supoojitam, Bhaktanu kampinam devam jagat karanam achyutam, Aavir bhootam cha shrishtiyadau, prakritaye puroshat param, Evam dhayayati yo nityam sa yogi yoginam varaha. Namo Vratapatayae, Namo Prathama patayae, Namaste Ganapataye….Namaste Ganapataye Asthu Lambodaraya, eka dantaya vighna nashine, Shri Shiva sutaya, Shri Varada moortaye Namo Namaha. Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmal devi namo namaha. This is the description of…. Shri Mataji : This is one of the. One of the. There are thousands name, thousand names. From alpha to omega. And omega to alpha. Mr. Modi : Now the translation if you want to know it will take at least two hours to tell you the translation. Rather than getting the translation I wish you to take the experience. And that is why in my earlier talk I requested that let the attention, your individual attention which is outward be inward towards yourself, towards your kundalini, towards your chakras and try to feel them. Try to find out where you feel your chakras. I requested you earlier in the gross side whether you feel the chakras outside? Whether you can feel them in your spinal chord? Which are the locations? Can you can you feel them in your hand? Can you feel them in your head? Can you feel them in your feet? Try and feel. This is what I have requested earlier and requested most of you to go into the meditation. And I have found that some of you were so deep in meditation that I had a desire to request them, “Can you say what has happened to you?” I am sure nobody would have been able to describe what sort of depth they have achieved. So in order to know that one has to go deep into meditation again and again and find out for themselves what they have. What they have achieved? What they have got? How do they feel it? Where are the problems? How do they feel their problems? And how would they like to sort them up? So in order to give them a little opportunity to talk to other sahaja yogis we had a break. Instead of half an hour it went through more than one hour. And may be some of them would have got their doubts to a certain extent sorted out. We thought that after that we can again go into the meditation. And feel for yourself what you feel. For all the sahaja yogis who have been staying in this house they know through and through how the divinity has been working through them and how they are decently, extraordinarily blessed by Mataji. Shri Mataji : (speaking in Marathi)…………….. Mr. Modi : We have also found out that…as I had explained in my earlier talk Mother that we have also, like you lots and lots of questions but when we got it there was no point in asking questions to the Mother. So may be in the last ten years I might have asked probably only a few questions, only a few questions just by the way. I don’t think I have asked….because all my questions …..if I put the same question to myself I would get the answer by the grace of Mother. Because it is Her power. It is Mataji’s power that works out the opening of chakras. It is Matajis power which has helped us to feel the deities on each chakras. It is Mataji’s power with which we learn to feel the Kundalini. It is Mataji’s power with which we learn how to give an awakening to …… Shri Mataji: (in Marathi) Mr. Modi : And since for us it is an origination as Mataji. And for Mataji She has developed this science by Herself. If She has developed it, She knows everything. And lucky enough She can answer any question also. But it is wise that I don’t express myself so openly that, “What am I?” And let me not be open to all the sahaja yogis because they know me. They know what are the chakras I am catching. They know what are the things I am catching. So let me not be so open, I would say that. So let us…. Shri Mataji : I’ll give you an example now. Please. I think just now you can tell what happened about the flowers. Just tell them. Simple example, yesterday it happened. You see how the attention works. You just see. It’s very simple. Man : Well yesterday we had puja for Mataji. And as many of you will know… Shri Mataji : New year’s day. New year’s day it was a Ganesha’s puja. Man : New year’s day….I think in Indian calendar. Shri Mataji : And Ganesha’s puja. Man : And we were worshipping Mataji as Shri Ganesh… Because we in Austalia have been blessed to be named the mooladhara chakra. But in that worship many of the things that we do…in worship include such things as mantras, shlokas and various other things. But inclusive of flowers of course. Very important. And each one of us decided to put flowers at the Feet of Mataji making a beautiful array at Her Feet. And I asked Mataji on the way here, as driving along in the car, “What are the flowers Mother that would be most acceptable, that befit on this special day of the beginning of the year, and for Shri Ganesh?” So She said, “Well, red flowers. Pink or red flowers would be best” And then She looked out of the window as we were driving along and there were the hibiscus flowers everywhere. She said, “They are the ones.” Shri Mataji : Jabakusum as they are called. Man: They’ve got another name in Sanskrit…. Shri Mataji : In Sanskrit they are called javakusum. Is very much…Ganesha is always worshipped with javakusum. Man: And the hibiscus were there by the road. Shri Mataji : And the Gauri also. And another was the Virgin. We worship Virgin and Ganesha. So they both like javausum. It’s a very famous thing in all the Indian scriptures. So I said, “This one javakusum. This hibiscus...” Man: So when we got here, we said nothing. Shri Mataji : No, he said we will tell them by phone, isn’t it? Man : We said nothing. Shri Mataji: No no, but he did not tell. You see what I am saying is that I told him better to inform them to get javakusum. Man: And when we got here nothing was said but later on in puja a very big basket of hibiscus flowers just arrived. Everybody had been out picking the hibiscus flowers. This is what is happening in collective consciousness. Shri Mataji : And the garland was made of…..Garland also was of... Man : The garland was also made. Yes, this was absolutely spontaneous. So this is collective consciousness. As one person thinks we all share and we all get the same thoughts. And if so, this behooves us to be together in a positive atmosphere. And this means we are all sharing and working it out. It’s really beautiful. Shri Mataji: It is the same attention you see. Your attention is enlightened now and it looks after. Like he asked me what are the flowers which are auspicious? I said that way many are. You don’t have all these flowers. And Begonia is one of them I was telling. But today being Ganesha’s and Gauri’s day its javakusum, is the red flower I saw. I said this is the one. This one is the one. It’s very good. He said, “Really, then I must tell them to get it.” I said, “You better telephone to them.” But there was no chance. When we came here there was a garland of that, the whole thing of that and they had only collected those flowers. I don’t know what happened. And they said they just got it. Like this place you are occupying itself, you see. They had sold their house. They wanted to buy a big place…and to sleep there. All of them wanted to live you see. And they told about 200 people here, the property dealers to get them a house, purchase or something like that. There were only two houses available at a very high price, see, for sale. But they did not know how to manage that you see. And then Meera one of them telephoned to Me and saying that they have no house, nothing, they are very upset this that. She was so upset on the phone. So she said what to do. So I said, “Alright we will get it tomorrow.” She was surprised I am not that precise and that I said, “Now you will get it tomorrow. Don’t you worry.” Then really they got this tomorrow. That’s what happened. Really the very next day they got it. And they were surprised. How it happened? Suddenly they got it. And it’s such a big place, you just see. Don’t get it on rent and things… just they got it. So it’s only the attention you see it works out. But one should not ask out for material things. It’s better to ask for spiritual things. You see, material things are looked after just like that. No problem. But you must ask for…really for the spiritual and that is the best way. And as far as doubting is concerned is a problem of ego, you see. And you doubt everything. But what do you doubt for? This is the point you see. Because, why? Why should be there doubt about Me? Now let’s think the other way round. I am not a person who is floating any business. There’s no possibility. My husband earns very…lot of money and I come from a rich family. So money doesn’t matter. My husband holds a very big high position in life. So I don’t want any position either. Alright, thirdly it could be that I am running political stunt or something like that or working some political leader. So have no identification with any political parties. So now why…why am I doing this? Clear and simple. What remains last is love. It’s purely love. I mean I do not take any advantage of it or credit of it or nothing. It’s just love. Simple thing like that. Now what are you questioning. Do you go and question the sun? Why do you give us light? I mean the way some of them ask Me question, “Why do you come to Australia? What is the need for you to do this?” I mean imagine as if by coming to Austraia am taking away their lives or what am I doing to them? Very rude you see some of them. I was surprised. Somebody comes to give you love and to emancipate you and give you the divine love and that is how you treat. But it’s better than crucifixion. So I don’t mind because I am used to all kinds of things. But you better not miss the point by your ego because you start doubting, thinking. It’s nonsense. See what he said, nirvichar Samadhi is very different from mesmerism. Mesmerism - what happens, that you just get lost. You have no powers in you. You see apart from the cool breeze what happens when you get mesmerized. What happens? You feel for the person. You want to do anything with them. You give all the money. You give this. You want to this and do that. You feel happy also. Because there’s somebody else who is working it out. Some extent you feel happy, to some extent. It’s like getting drunk. But you lose all your powers. You have no powers. You are not empowered with anything. You do not know what you are doing why you are doing it. You cannot explain. There is no logic behind it. There is no knowledge behind it. Nothing. You just do it because you are just driven into it. You are mad. That’s what it is. You cannot explain. You cannot understand the chakras. You cannot say where it is catching. Nothing of the kind. There’s no logic behind it. It’s just a sort of an infatuation that you are just drawn into it without even controlling yourself. Here the control is complete. And the transformation starts. You just start seeing the transformation coming into you. Absolutely it transforms. This is what it is. So firstly you have to know that I have nothing to earn from you. You have to learn from Me. You have to get something from Me. But most of your questions are barriers for your progress. Most of them are. So do not… Why do you want to be your own enemy? As it is we have built up so many things by which we are destroying ourselves. And I have told you that the destruction is going to come from within not without. So why do you want to do such a thing? You have to be kind to yourself and reconstruct yourself. And you will be surprised at your own transformation. You become a different person altogether. But still because of ego and superego you stick on to the past. You just think, ”Oh I was an egg. Why should I become a chick?” The question is just like this now, “I am an egg. Why should I become a chick? And when I become the chick also I…” You go on saying, “Still the shells are there so we are struggling with the shells, breaking them.” Better to break them out and come. Come out of it. Come out of that shell. This is what it is. And these shells are…can be very dangerous for your progress, very dangerous. So when I go away I know this happens many a times. Should not happen but suddenly there will be a big attack from the negativity. Big attack will come. Remember the day of your realization, the feeling of your realization. They are all standing around to attack. When the big attack comes and one person starts murmuring. Christ has said about the murmuring souls. Half-baked people just jump into it. You see just have now perched on the edge. So you are bending this side and that side equally. When I am there you are bending that side. When I go away you may just drop down. So first of all stabilize yourself. That what Modi said, stabilize, stabilize, stabilize. You must stabilize yourself. If you stabilize yourself in full awareness...Not that I like it and I like it. You should know what the chakras is catching. Face it. I like it, I am in seventh heaven, all these fool’s paradise are of no use to Me. You have to face it as reality. See for yourself. Where is your chakra catching? What chakra is catching? How to cure it? How to put it right? And then you’ll see…you will be on top of the world. Really, it’s very interesting. You’ll be free of these worries. Free of all these problems. Just now your Sahasrara is catching. Just imagine. Now this is the worst thing that should catch. Not everybody’s but of some people. By that others are also catching. That’s why people who are doubting type, who are negative type we ask them to get out because we start sharing with them. That’s why there’s a problem. Now as Modi has said that for them it is very easy to know what I am. If they see the kundalini rising they know it’s Me because it’s written down, very clearly. Not in one book but at least any book that has anything to do with kundalini or anything to do with God. So they know. This is a very big handicap the western people have. And there are more [UNCLEAR TEXT/ cries] as they like. Because you see there’s a way of believing. It’s an organized way of moving. You see like Seventh Day Adventist or Born Again Adventist. All sort of things. Because the books that are written are not by realized souls. Now even bible was not written by Christ, for your information. Even bible was not written by Christ. Somebody can say Geeta is the last one. It was not written by Shri Krishna. None of them have written any books so far. Thank God for that. Because they would have changed those book and said this Krishna said and this Christ said. So what is the authority of the bible if you say it is Christ? Christ has never written it, finished. Now what is the authority of Christ you will only know when you are realized? Just put your hands towards Me and ask the question was he the Son of God? And you’ll feel the vibration. Because for Indians it is very difficult to accept Christ as Shri Ganesh, who is so powerful but yet nobody can reach Him and He was crucified. They cannot believe it. It is impossible for them to have such a miserable picture of Ganesha. They can’t believe it. Moreover the way we put Christ which is skeletons, see, it’s impossible for these people to believe that such a powerful personality is put like this. This is all our own imagination about Christ. He was never miserable. He was a very healthy hefty man. I always said he could be always compared with any Australian. Only he has been properly, let Me say, painted by Michelangelo who was a realized soul in Sistine chapel. He has shown a powerful man standing with a big stomach like that throwing people here and there. And this is what one has to understand that our conditioning has really narrowed us very low. And that narrowing has to be expanded. But thank God there is no organized religion in India. So they have made a mess out of it. But that doesn’t matter. They make fun of all the priest who come to their house. Do any worship and all that. They treat them just like useless people. Because they know mantras that’s why they say... They have no respect as they have respect for our priest you know. These priests who come to us are also not realized souls. If they are not realized then how can they talk about God. They cannot. What is their understanding? You see whatever they have read in the theological college from other unrealized people blind leading the blind into blind. Isn’t it? So we have to see. We have to see that there is knowledge much beyond our narrow vision. That’s why I have told you already. And getting into your realization you jump into it in no time. As Modi has said he does not have to ask me questions. It’s true. The whole knowledge is within you. You just start putting your attention to that knowledge. Then you get the answer. Somebody asked me in Australia, “All your disciples are the scholars?” I said, “What makes you think?” “They are so knowledgeable.” I said, “They have become knowledge, that’s why.” They are so knowledgeable. Even a little girl Amanda, who is hardly I think… what is here age…is about..? Yogini: Thirty Shri Mataji: About thirty. She speaks like a learned master. Really! Here she is. If you read her poem you will be surprised how beautifully she knows about things. So this is what should happen. But when you are mesmerized you just go…gaga…That’s my guru. That’s my this thing. Go on sitting like, moving like this all the time. Like a madcap. And if somebody talks to you they just think that you are off your head. You are all saying Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Hare Rama like a madcap. Or somebody who is jumping in the thing. I said, “What did you do?” “I did flying sidhis, you see.” He can’t keep his seat alright. And what flying is he going to do? Jumping in the air. Mad! really I tell you, one boy…he came to us. We don’t know if he had had experience or no experience. They just took My name and he jumped so far as that. He just can’t look at Me. He started rolling and ‘hoohoohoo’ he was on. They said, “What’s the matter?” He said, “I can’t look at Mother.” You see, She is just…I am so frightened of Her. What are you frightened about? There’s a bhoot in him who is just frightened. All sort of things we have had. Horrible! And they would come and scream in the ashram and this. So you see people from these things coming and we get the bad name for nothing at all. (Laughter) Very true. I wish this should not happen with this ashram, I beg of you. If you are screaming type you finish all that exhausted at home and then come back. You see we don’t want to have a bad name for nothing at all here. People jumping…you see all kinds of people coming to here because it's an open thing. But they come here and start jumping and screaming and shouting and growling. The neighbors see us…and they’ll put a notice against us. That’s exactly what happened you know in London. We had to change our place. And they…they themselves live like recluses in their little ashrams and this and that. Then they took out their clothes and jump and do all kinds of thing. And we are decent normal people, we live decently. And it is so surprising the way they behave so abnormal and obnoxious and horribly smelling. Their body is smelling and it's too much. And we did not know what to do with them. So we thought we should start another ashram for these people and from there they are cleansed then they should come in. Because it was too much and then the public really opposed us. And we had a bad name so we had to change the ashram. We went to another one. And there I took My foot down. I said anybody starts screaming ask them to get out, or shouting. And they do not take baths for days together…and filthy people, dirty people. They call themselves yogis. They have no sense of cleanliness, anything. And no…they sleep. All the time 24 hours they were sleeping you see. And we were just feeding them like children. Like a bottle being put in a little one. Again they wanted to sleep and sleep and sleep. And they paid thousands of pounds you see and they have taken to nothing but sleeping. Twenty four hours you won’t believe for weeks together. Just sleeping, getting up little bit in the morning again taking some food, nibbling something and again sleeping. They go on sleeping and they are mad people. They are mad, I tell you. Really mad. So I would say you must have been to all these people doesn’t matter. You have spend money, whatever you have done, forget it. But please do not come here to sleep, another to scream and third to jump and fourth to take out your clothes, you see. That’s another thing we have faced. I have to request you for that. In a program in India some people came. They started taking out their clothes. They first said, “Hwoo hwoo hwwoo”. And we looked at them. What are they up to? And suddenly they started taking out their cloths. And I, “Throw them out.” And then they went on the street and they took out their clothes and they were arrested. And everybody will say this happened in the Mataji’s program. Really I tell you, we have faced such horrible things that I must tell you. In England also it has happened. In England it has happened. All kinds of things, all sorts of funny people. You know when you go around you don’t know how many types of things you catch. There’s no end to it. One fellow just always used to come and go into tantrums like becoming a yogi. He used to breath in, breath out and make big sounds and all that. So now from where this mad man has come. But he would not go. We told him “Baba you go. whatever.” I said, “Baba, whatever you want I will tell you at home. You go home.” Then he told me that he…once he was in a war. Somewhere he was caught and then he escaped the jail or whatever it is, from prison somewhere. And he came out and he hide himself in one of the….shamashana, what do you call it? Yeah, cemeteries, one of the cemeteries somewhere. And in the cemetery I think some hath yogi must have caught hold of him. And he said I have never done Hath yoga. And his wife says once he starts he does it for three hours, four hours. He is just going rumbling into it, tumbling into it. The whole[UNCLEAR TEXT] he is doing like that. Now after three years he is alright. Poor fellow, he used to vomit blood, do every sort of thing but he could not get out of that kind of a thing. Now he is alright. Imagine three years but he used to do like that. You see so all these bhoots and all kind of tricks they do. They just stand up start shouting. Become so abnormal. In Sahaja yoga you become very normal, extremely normal person. All these abnormal thing you have to give up. Please understand. Or if you believe in abnormality sahaja yoga is not the place. You can go to any circus you want but not here. There is no circus on. You have to be normal. You have to dress up normally. There is no need to wear any particular dress, or any brand or any band. It’s in the heart. It’s in the heart. It’s in your kundalini. You are not to show off. They look exactly like you but immediately today I was coming in the car. Looked around…I knew there was something and there was a sahaja yogi. He got his realization only two weeks back and I saw him coming. I knew. You see if there is a sahaja yogi is there you don’t have to ask. You just reach there. You just reach there. Like when the people came from England, I told these people were coming. They did not know the names or anything. They just walked into them and they just walked into them, direct. Vibrations! (And) they know each other. Absolutely they know this is the sahaja yogi. There’s a…no need to ……This knowledge that what is vibrative and what is not vibrative comes to you because it is built within you. But just it is to be released. That’s all. Of course all these details that this centre is felt in this…and this and this and this…and all this details that I have told you is not known till before. The reason is it was never told to them. As he said that I have done the job so I know what it is. But even Bhramha himself, the creater Bhramha the one who was…who talked to some great seers and He said I know upto a point…beyond that I don’t know. The only… the One, the Primodial Mother will come. She will tell. But upto a point I can tell you. That’s a fact. But I am with you. I am your own. I am just like you, absolutely normal. And you can talk to Me. And you can understand. Is this intelligible? I speak your language. I mean what more can we do? I mean there cannot be anything more than that. But now that I am born in India, I have to be born somewhere. I am born a Christian. I have to be born in something. Everybody is branded, what to do. You may be born anywhere you are branded as this and that and that. But this branding goes to such a limit that in India people feel that Christ was born in England. It’s such a funny thing I tell you. So it doesn’t make a difference to Me where I was born and what I was [UNCLEAR TEXT]. Everything was done deliberately. But I was born a Christian for a particular…reasons also. But that doesn’t mean I am a Christian in the real sense of the world. That…what was Christ’s religion? In the same way you have no religion. You are beyond religion. Gunateet, Dharmateet. That’s just now...they described Christ. He is beyond Dharma. He is beyond religion. He is beyond Gunas. The roots, he is beyond it. So all these things to be done…understood. Because you are not here to profess something but you are here to be something. Professing is a profession. But to be is your right. It’s what it should be. So if you have any questions I have no objection. Sensible question should be nice because that’s how I know your problems. Man: I’m just gonna tell you an experience of innocence in children. On Friday my own nephew who has never seen You before, You kissed him three times on the head. We are not gonna [UNCLEAR TEXT] him. He asked me, “Could he have some water to drink?” and my little niece who has not seen you. And I gave him to drink the water you energized. And he started to laugh. And I said, “What's funny?” and he said, “There's a stick in my stomach.” Next day I put on a tape of You on the radio so that my sister could hear it. He was watching TV in the lounge room. He came straight into the kitchen room where it is being played and said right way, “I think you should put on a candle.” Shri Mataji: Children know Me too well. You see these are realized soul like first time we had a boy from….Of course in India I can understand but in England we had a boy called Kevin and he had a very miserable childhood. And he came with his father. He was hardly about five-six years of age, you see. And he came you see like a roman he stood before Me like this and just came and stood, said, “Mother, I bow to you.” And like that he went on and people couldn’t understand and said, “What are you doing standing like this, sit down, sit down. Bow bow bow. Everybody!” He started hitting everybody on the head and then there was a….I have a staircase. I have a staircase to go up. He said there is no red carpet or anything. Let us spread it. He brought one small carpet and threw it on that and he said, “Mother now you come.” And the way he was humble and everything you know, the whole thing worked. You see it was remarkable. They were surprised. Same he used to say, “What are you doing ? Where are you looking? Come, come, come along, see, see.” I mean the way he was seeing the whole thing he is a great sahaja yogi we have got in London. There were many like that. There were some muslim little boys who are very good. And so many of them. Like My own grandchildren are realized souls that in childhood when they were very small early in the morning they would be like puppies near My feet, you see. So, husband would say that, “What is this? In the morning time they are hugging on to your feet and..?” And so they would say, “We are sucking vibrations. We are sucking the cool breeze you see.” He couldn’t understand sucking the cool breeze and all that. But they are so sensitive. One day My maid put My saree on the ground. Immediately the younger one came and lifted it up. She put it there. Can’t you see whose saree is this? My Grandma’s, who knows you! Do you know who She is? What you’re doing by putting it on the ground? All Gods will be angry with you. She picked it up and put it to her eyes. She said, “Now don’t do it again. I am telling you.” She was hardly three years. Hardly three years. Woman: You recognized the child the other day who You said was born realized. What is the role of a parent of such a child who can also be very naughty and very difficult on occasions? Shri Mataji: Yes they can be because, you see, you don’t understand them so they play pranks and tricks on you, you see. So best thing is to get realized, bring them to the ashram here. Woman: Yes. Shri Mataji: And then they will start. You see they cannot manifest their realization so then they get naughty with the parents, you see. They really get naughty with the parents. They don’t know what to do with them. Like My own granddaughter eldest one she told me one day very seriously that you are after all the Goddess I know, Mother, Grandmother, but one thing is there. Can You do some mistakes in life? I said, “Why?” She said, “There is one thing I don’t understand. Why didn’t You give realization to my mother when she was born? Now she is very difficult for me.” I said, “Really?” “Yes”, she said, “Now she has become hard. It’s difficult. But at childhood…in childhood You should have given realization. But I said, “You must ask.” “Not for children. It’s alright for a…older people that they should ask but for children You could have given her realization. It would have been much better for me. Now she is very hard.” So on their side they cannot understand. Now your infatuation with Indira Gandhi is over or not? You better go to India. I tell you. No no no no. I will tell you for Indira Gandhi you better go to India. Take a house there and stay with her. It’s a good idea. What are you going to gain from Me? I have nothing to do with them. Questioner: I just…I’ve asked You a number of question. And You’ve answered them very very well. But I have got two or three remaining ones. If I can ask You…. Shri Mataji : But the…. Questioner: Well if I can just read the question out? It’s not an easy one. Shri Mataji: Are you My examiner? Questioner: No, No…. Shri Mataji: Then what? Question: I am not a journalist. I am, I am just a Shri Mataji: No no no. But what am I saying…why are you asking Me questions? In what relationship? Question: I…I really would be happy to know the answer. Shri Mataji: But why? But what right have you got to know the answers from Me? First of all let’s see this point. Man: Sure sure. Shri Mataji: Alright? Man: Yes I understand so. Shri Mataji: See this it that the way you are taking the time. Then if it is something to do with sahaja yog I don’t mind answering. Man: Fine. Shri Mataji: But you ask Me questions like Indira Gandhi. Like the other day we were taking a TV thing from… with Me. And one man who has taken the photograph of Jawaharlal Nehru about twenty five years back. I don’t know how he was carrying lots of photograph with him. I don’t know what he is. Suddenly he saw Me and came rushing to Me, stop stop, stop, stop. And I was busy with the TV person. I though he must be something to do with the TV. I thought – see the one who’s calling. So I stopped. He came he opened his bag. You see they are all preoccupied with their own things. Whatever it is. Why involve Me poor thing? See, and he opened it. And he said, “Now You must wait, You must wait.” I thought he has something to do with this lady. See I didn’t know he has done nothing. He said, “Just wait, just wait, I have to tell you very important, very important. I said, “Why Me?” He said, “No, no You only because You are an Indian.” He took out a very old photograph of Jawahar Lal ji. And he said, “See this is the photograph, one of the photographs I have.” So I asked this lady, “Is it your program? TV?” She said, “I have nothing to do with it.” So I said, “Why is he asking Me?” And he took half an hour for that only. And this lady thought that I know him. So this is it. So you see what I am saying, you are here for realization. If you want to take realization you take it. But why do you want to ask Me questions which are irrelevant to this program? Alright? With relevance….If there is something relevant with it I don’t mind. But there is no relevance. Is there anything relevant? Man: There is one question. Just one. Shri Mataji: Oh alright, Thanks. So we reduced out of three to one. I hope it is relevant. Question: Fine, fine. You speak out against public display of embrace or kisses between the sexes. Yet I’d seen you spontaneously embrace females in Your own audience. Can you explain that as well. (gasping by people followed by laughter). Shri Mataji : You see. That I must tell. No No. Embrace is very good. But you must embrace your own sex…is your women... You see in India if you tell anyone ‘homosexuals’ they don’t understand. You see even Modi or anyone they are educated but we don’t understand. You see this is your brains…have gone this far. For us we have no idea as to what is this between women and men, we don’t understand, you see. Women…we always sleep with women, live together. We have no such problem. You see our brains are not so developed. (Laugher by crowd) So we really don’t understand. We are too…too stupid to understand that. You see and… I was surprised….we, we…not only that but supposing our Raul Bai has come in. She won’t sleep with…in My bed because I am the Goddess or something but any woman sleeps with any woman and hundreds of them sleep together. We have no problem. But we will never take bath in the presence of each other. You see embracing a child is a very important and loving a child is even more important. Alright but not an elder man than Me embracing just embracing. That’s not done. Not done. Man : Cuddling? Cuddling on the street? Shri Mataji: Cuddling on the street is embarrassing you know. Cuddling on the streets and going to the divorce case later on. Man: Yeah. Thank you very much. Shri Mataji: Alright? Man: Thank you. Shri Mataji: So this is all absurd ideas. You will also get rid of them. This is some sort of wave that has come that you become homosexual and this and that. I mean still I do not understand, I am telling...I cannot understand it. You see, doesn’t go into My brain. But even Modi said he doesn’t understand. And I asked [UNCLEAR TEXT] and he was quite shocked. He said, “What?” Moreover they are shocked when you take baths together. They just can’t understand how men can take baths together. They just can’t understand. I mean you see we are so simple that I’ll tell you that when My husband was First Secretary General there, I mean he used to embrace all of them and all of them do embrace even the Arabs and all the Eastern people embrace each other. But I told him, “Do you know this?” After three years. He said, “God, really! I didn’t know.” (Shri Mataji laughs) He said, “They used to be suddenly shocked. I didn’t know why.” It’s surprising I tell you, really how we are. Hey, do you brand everybody as homosexual? You mean every woman is homosexual or what? Questioner: No no Shri Mataji: No no no no no. But what do you do I mean when you say that? I mean I am just saying that if a woman holds anybody’s hand do you condemn both of them as homosexuals or what? Is it? I mean I am just wanting to know? (Multiple people reply in the background) Shri Mataji: Huh? According to you every women is homosexual? Woman: No no no no. Not according to me. Shri Mataji: No No. According to the….. Woman: According to public people. Shri Mataji: Yes? Is it? Woman: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Every women is? Woman: I think they do. Shri Mataji: Really? Every women is according to you? Crowd: No no no…. Woman: No no no. Not according to us. Shri Mataji: No no. But according to public of Australia. Crowd: No no…[Unclear] Women: To a lot of extent. To a great extent. If I walk on the street and I hold a girls hand because I love her. Because she is my friend and I love her. Then people look at us and say, “Why are these women holding hand? They must have some relationship that is bad.” Shri Mataji: Naturally you are not going to hold your [UNCRLEAR TEXT/dogs] hand. Man: Depends where you [UNCRLEAR TEXT] Women: No it doesn’t..no,no. Because I really like holding my girl friend’s hands. I really like walking down… Shri Mataji: I mean its natural. Woman: Yeah, its natural. Shri Mataji: And you feel better with a girl than a man. You know. (laughter by crowd) Shri Mataji: Isnt it? A girl would like to hold a girl’s hand and man should like to hold a man’s hand. It’s natural, absolutely. Man : Not common here... Shri Mataji: You see and we don’t touch any man in India. Woman: But in India everybody walks…..the men walk hand in hand. And the women walk hand in hand. And it’s good. Shri Mataji: Ah Huh? Yes. But you see there is something…a total understanding in their upbringing. I think it may be in our good conditioning that you see if a younger person…say for example you are much younger to Me or somebody much younger to Me…is like My brother-in-law or something. He can touch Me and I can touch him because he is like My brother. You see he is younger to Me. But a person who is older than Me I am not supposed to touch. Neither he will touch, never. Even as a Goddess he will not. He will touch My feet. That’s all. They need not touch My body. It’s done like that. It’s accepted. We don’t understand these things you know. First thing I discovered in London, this thing, when we had a visitor, just came to correct the gas. Now imagine a person like Me so ignorant and my two servants. The elder one was 75 and another was about 31. Poor things they were busy with the man who came, the young man. And they were talking to him just like they would talk to any young man. That he is English. Let’s go to London, we will go together and there will enjoy very much. And the older….the old man was as they tease in India. They… was teasing him like this…like that. See we do like this to younger people. And they are….they were very natural you see. And this man went and reported to the fellow. And they did they telephoned to Me, “You better tell Your servants to behave themselves. They are little funny type. They can’t…. (Crowd laughs) So I said, “What? [UNCLEAR TEXT] why will they do it?” I just couldn’t understand, you see. So I asked the servents what happened. Nothing we were just joking with him and enjoying him and all that. So I did not understand and we had a sahaja yogi there. You see, that was Gregorie. (laughingly) Swiss fellow you see. And I told him, “What is he saying I don’t follow. What is his complaint? I don’t understand. So his face went red you see. He said, “Shut up, you. Don’t give ideas. They don’t understand these things. I said, “What happened?” Mother I can’t tell You. I am sorry can’t tell You. I said, “What happened? What did these people do I must correct them.” “They did not do anything. It was the head of that fellow…was wrong”. But I said what happened you tell Me. So he called my neighbor who was an English lady. And he told her what had happened. So she came, gave Me one hour lecture on this. She said, “You know in this country there are homosexuals.” I said, “What is this? What did they do?” I mean I did not know and poor thing I broke her completely. You know as you are asking Me questions I asked her questions. So she told Me all this story about it. And she said told that, “You better tell Your servant that they should not touch any man who comes here.” So I called both the servants and I tell them, “You should not touch any man who comes to see you. Because I was half based Myself. So they said, “Why are they women that we should not touch them?” Only women are not to be touched in India. But they are men. “Are they women?” I said, “They are in the dress of men, but they are women. So don’t touch them.” (Laughter by people) They did not know how to understand. They said, “Are they women that we should not touch them?” They couldn’t understand this thing when I said they should not touch them. Are they women? They…Now just to explain, they are men to look at but they are women so don’t touch them. They said, “How can we believe?” I said, “Alright don’t believe it. But I am telling you not to touch them. That’s all. So I cannot tell you anymore.” They started wondering, “What’s the matter with the lady?” Women: Is there no homosexuality in India? Shri Mataji: No I mean nobody is conscious of it. You see, may be some madcaps might be doing it. You see we have mad people also, we have lunatic asylums we have everything. But not to this extent. I mean I have never heard of these things before. I did not know….. Man: Very rare, very rare… Shri Mataji: Very rare, I mean, they don’t understand these things you see. It’s a very different upbringing altogether. Women will sit together. Men will sit together. There’s nothing like that. We do not understand these things at all. Man: I can’t understand anything wrong with a man and woman holding hands or... Shri Mataji: Yeah… Man: …walking down the street…Is this just perhaps a cultural difference? Because I am sure there is. Shri Mataji: You see… because… you see…you are being conditioned like that. You see that’s why. It is conditioning. What is wrong? I mean you hold somebody’s hand. Do you thing...hands are….Where is hand…..what will go wrong with you. I mean I just can't understand such a…I mean by touching somebody what is going to happen? See he is a man. You are a man. I mean I think… Man: No he is asking, if a man and a women hold hands. What’s wrong with that? Shri Mataji: No. Of course a man and a women is not….because if man is the…You see then there is no morality. What is it? If you hold any man’s hand…See, Why should you hold? Only you should hold the hands of younger people where there is no question of sex or anything. Then anybody can hold anybody’s hand. See there should be certain limits about things. You see, we do not hold anybody’s hand in India, woman. Only with woman or with smaller people. You see we never hold hands like that but the girl…you see, if there’s a woman walking, we will hold hands always. We’ll never go separate. We will always walk with holding hands because it's easier if are crossing or something you know each other, you can tell, you can communicate. But you do not only communicate sex you know. This is the trouble. How can you communicate sex to a woman I still don’t understand very… to be very frank with you. Now that’s how some of our conditioning is…little conditioning. Man: We’ve destroyed the quality of innocence because we are so scared about what people are going to say. You know if we touch somebody or something. We are so scared. Shri Mataji: That’s it. You see My child. This is the thing. Nothing wrong. I mean. Man : We have such….Our culture is so down at the moment. Shri Mataji: I mean…haa…that's the…that’s it. You have said it. Really that is it. Even I mean if sometimes a man touches us we do not feel so startled. But normally we don’t touch men who are older than us. And the men who do not touch girls who are younger than them. But very young girls they will. You see we’ll be amazed how My husband, you have seen him, I mean, My daughter sleep with him in the same bed. And I sleep with My son-in-laws if they are there…we all. We never get sex ideas at all into our heads. It never goes. You see it never comes. I don’t know from where this idea comes. When you are with your father you don’t get ideas of sex. Man: I think there are couple of good reasons for holding on to the…even if the… precisely...there are some rough people around. Shri Mataji: Hmm…Then this is better. Man : If you’ll go to [UNCLEAR TEXT] two paces to that side in the wrong street you’ll get something like that coming along and you know, whispering you know making a bastard. If you hold on to it, You are saying… Shri Mataji: Yes that is there. Then there is no harm at all. You see that’s why I am saying it’s the protection. It is the protection. I mean that is the only idea that comes to to [UNCLEAR TEXT]. But then unnecessarily if you are holding onto My hand it doesn’t look nice. It is indecent. But what I am saying is if for women when they are walking they always hold hands because it’s a…they need all the time protection. They should know….in a group they go mostly. You see it’s a very different attitude, I mean. I don’t know. We’ll take at least a hundred years to develop somewhere near but I don’t know. It’s something that is over developed. I think that’s what is true. Is innocence is lost. That’s why in innocence you see you don’t feel all these things. I mean never comes to our head. Never. You see all time people are flirting. This man is flirting with that women. All the time it's madness I tell you. Actually, don’t you go mad with this? On the street you are flirting. You go out you are flirting. You are seeing something you are flirting. In group you are…Aree Baba, you will go mad I tell you, really. Seeing you I feel funny. It’s exhausting, I tell you. And why do you flirt? What is the joy? Because there is no joy in flirting at all. What is it? Just think about it. What is the joy? When you will be seeing somebody like this and seeing another one like a poster hanging in the air…walls you see. You must see very poster and go on like that. Just can’t understand this madness. She felt I am really exhausted. She brought something. No but it is true. Just… It's not logical. Isn’t it? Man: But there is joy. What is that called? Is it a burpiness? Is it weakness Shri Mataji: I think it is… Man: Because I do enjoy looking at all of them, yeah. This is the bonus, its lack of control… Shri Mataji: I…You see what I found that when My western sahaja yogis, some of them they say it’s a bhoot. I said, “How do you know?” They said, “We experimented with it.” I said, “How?” One of them said, “You see…” One of them said that I was just standing and suddenly I felt I must look back. And then I looked back and there was a woman standing.” So I said, “Really?” Then I said that, “It was that she had a bhoot in her and I had a bhoot and they had a nice talk to each other. So they enjoyed each other and like a fool we turned around both of us, looked at each other blank. And while they were enjoying. That's what they were saying. That we have experimented why this happens, you see. And the only way to get out of it is to put your eyes on the Mother Earth. Just Mother Earth. She takes away all these bhoots into Her. It’s really horrible and that’s why you get troubles. So many troubles you get. Of your attention see if…..imagine…..I mean it is unimaginable also. About say hundred years back if somebody had told Me that you have to all the time see like this…I mean its mad thing isn’t it? I mean Your attention wobbling all the time. Just think of it, so logical. But the basics are missing. Like I was telling him that in India from childhood the parents will say, “Where is your attention? Chitta kutte? Where is your attention?” See that is never said here, “Where is our attention?” So you have to keep your mind on the attention. Where is it going? See so chitta nirodha is the basis of Indian life. And because you are brought up like that even if we do wrong we know it is wrong. It’s bad. You see that attention is to be controlled is not here. Because of your ego orientation. What’s wrong? Then wherever attention goes it gathers all the rubbishness. Like English came to all over the places. They tried loot them, they carried all the stuff with them. Now they are worried about their migration…immigration. Why did you go? Who asked you to go to other countries? It is like that. When you put your attention to something you get back all the rest. So the attention should be first of all stabilized. Now attention has to be respected. See our attention to be very very respected. Why should we put our (attention) to anyone…. I mean, it’s not dignified. It looks so funny you know. Everybody looking at you like this, you know. Very embarrassing …Feel very self conscious I mean. We don’t understand what's wrong with you the way people are looking at you like that. (Shri Mataji laughs) It seems...it is I tell you…It is funny. For people like us who are not used to this kind of thing. All Indian ladies said, “They…what are they doing?” I said, “They are flirting?” So they said, “What is that?” “That’s the system.” I said. What system is that? Said they are trying to enjoy, you see. But she said, “How can you enjoy? Whatever is your own you should enjoy. You enjoy your wife. What’s the use of enjoying such people. You never enjoy.” I said, “It is true. [In Hindi/ Whatever is yours thing]… Whatever is your thing you should enjoy, your thing. How can you enjoy somebody else’s thing? I said, “They enjoy with their mental…mentally. And that’s how our mind has become nothing but sex point. Just see where are we reduced to. Just think of it. You are saints. That’s why Christ has pointed out. And imagine Christian nations are doing most of all. We never knew of adulterous eyes. He is the one who said that thou shall not have adulterous eyes. So the Christians said, “Alright we will have them.” They fixed them up properly. Whatever is said they do just the opposite. They [UNCLEAR TEXT/ordered] for it. To get adulterous eyes, isn’t it? Same…just like in India…It is said that everybody has got the spirit. Now how can you have caste system in India? But they made caste. You see what they actually said is the aptitude of a person. If you are a person who is seeker is a Brahmin. If you are a warrior or you are seeking power then you are kshatriya. Like that they made aptitude…as a…your aptitude…you see born with aptitude. Here they made it according to your birth. How can that be? And they said it is written in the Gita. They have changed it. They have changed the Gita completely. Because the one who has written the Gita was himself, was an illegitimate child of a fisher woman. How can he say? The proof is that this. How can you say you are born a Brahmin? They have changed it? They said you are born. And if these are the Brahmins God save us. These are the devils. Calling themselves Brahmin. Most of the Brahmins in India are devils. Absolutely devils. Most of them. Don’t say this to Indira Gandhi otherwise she is also a Brahmin you know. I mean all of…… Man: [UNCLEAR TEXT/ English] people love her. Shri Mataji: No no no no I am not saying they love her but I am saying that…I don’t say all the Brahmins but so many Brahmins are… Man: Sure…yeah. Shri Mataji: I do not want to have anything to do with the politics alright. So keep me out. Man: I understand. Another man: Can we learn to clear our own chakras? Shri Mataji: Huh? Another Man: Can we learn to clear our own chakras? Shri Mataji: Of course. That’s the power you have. That is self-realization. You start realizing what is in you. You do…all of them are clearing out. That’s a very good question. And you do. You can. That is what you are empowered to cure, your own chakras and chakras of others. One Woman: How? Second woman: Yeah. How? Shri Mataji: Alright I will tell you…Modi tell how it is done. Sit sit …Modi will tell you because I have never cleared my chakras, you know. Let us hear from him how he has done. You see some of these problems I have never had you see. So even to tell this is not easy. (Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi) Gradually you can learn. Slowly slowly you can pick up. Mr. Modi: We covered some subject on this in the first lecture when I spoke to them first. Shri Mataji: Is it so? Mr. Modi: yes some of it was covered. Shri Mataji: But…they were not…All of them were not… You were not there, all of you. Mr. Modi: Now how to clear the chakras…are the very important questions. And ….. Shri Mataji: (in Marathi) Mr. Modi: I expressed it. I’ll just narrate what I said earlier to those who were not present. So that we can catch up to that very well. When you meditate it is the inwardness of your attention. When you go into meditation I mean to say this is from the sahaja yoga point of view I have no controversy as far as I am concerned. So I imagine that you also have no controversy. Now when you meditate or we meditate in sahaja yoga our attention is inwards. Towards ourselves in kundalaini. Shri Mataji: It is automatically there. Mr. Modi: It is automatically thing. Nothing has to be done. It automatically happens everywhere. Shri Mataji: Because the happening is there inside. Because the kundalini is working it out. That’s why your attention is attracted. After realization you can go inside. You can see somewhere heaviness somewhere...you can even now feel it. Mr. Modi: Second point I suggested earlier was to feel the kundalini. I said you put down your both the hands towards the photograph because Mataji was not there that time. Now Mataji is also here. All of you can put down your hands like that. You will feel that the cool breeze is coming. Now when the cool breeze is coming to you…even if your eyes are open by looking at your hands you will come to know that the cool breeze is coming in my hands, ok. But there are how many centers? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven and this one eight. As many centre are there. Now you identify on which chakras are you getting cool vibrations. Shri Mataji: Put your hand straight, like this. Mr. Modi: If you put your hands you will come know on which hands…. (Shri Mataji speaks in marathi) Mr. Modi: You have to put both the hands. You have to see whether on left hand you are getting vibrations or on the right hand you are getting vibrations. Shri Mataji: Or both the hands? Mr. Modi: Or both the hands are getting cool vibrations? Shri Mataji: Or which is more which is less? You see for yourself. Mr. Modi: Alright Mr. Modi: In which hand you are getting more vibrations? In which…I mean…hand you are getting less vibrations? Woman: Does vibrations mean the same as..? Shri Mataji: Cool breeze. Yes of course. Mr. Modi: Cool breeze. I mean to say… Shri Mataji: Not tingling or anything. No.. Mr. Modi: Now if somebody is getting any hot sensations then that means…. Shri Mataji: After sometime it will improve… Mr. Modi: It will improve but that I will explain to you subsequently. Because that is another side to be explained little later on. So once you start feeling…now supposing on this chakra, that is on this finger if some of you are not getting vibrations as much as you are getting over here then there is something wrong with this particular chakra. (Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi) Mr. Modi: Ok. In order that you should have a balance in both the hands, what we do is a little exercise. It’s a just…. (Shri Mataji speaks to Mr. Modi in Marathi) Mr. Modi: Now supposing in one of the hands you are not getting cool vibrations I mean as much as in the another hand, the hand in which you are not getting enough vibrations should be drawn out of the window, towards the window. (Shri Mataji speaks to Mr. Modi in Marathi) Shri Mataji: He is confused. Mr. Modi: No, no, I am not. Shri Mataji: No, no you understand it, right? In Marathi it is different and in English it is different. So Mr. Modi: You see in one hand, supposing in the left hand you are not getting vibrations Shri Mataji: So you put towards the photograph. Mr. Modi: That hand should be Shri Mataji: You have to get more vibration. Mr. Modi: Like that. Supposing the left hand you are getting….you are not getting enough vibrations, so you put left hand towards your Mother. Ok? If you are not getting the right hand enough vibrations… Shri Mataji: Just now I am sitting so you put towards Me. Mr. Modi: ..then you put the right hand. Which one….whichever hand you are not getting enough vibrations out of the two. The one which is carrying less vibrations you should put it towards the Mother. Shri Mataji: Alright…This is correct. Mr. Modi: Then... Shri Mataji: Another one should be.. Mr. Modi: The another hand, you just either put it...since you are in the room you can either put it like that, up. Shri Mataji: Straight…another one. Another one. At that like this not … Mr. Modi: So that it cannot be towards Mother. No no no. Not like that. It should be like that. That’s it. So this way.. Shri Mataji: The one which is getting less should be towards the photograph. And the one which is getting more should be at the back. (Women talking in the background) Woman 1:[UNCLEAR TEXT] vibrations coming in. Woman 2:[UNCLEAR TEXT] cool vibrations coming in. Woman 3: ….there’s wind coming in.. Mr. Modi: This is where …This is exactly where you have got to develop your sensitivity. Shri Mataji: Ah hmmm. Woman: Yeah, yeah. Mr. Modi: This is where you have to develop your…..No not that way, this way. Man: You feel it…you feel the wind massaging your [UNCLEAR TEXT]. Then you can differentiate between external wind… Mr. Modi: and what is coming from the vibrations….both you can differentiate. Shri Mataji: Afterwards even if you are in the wind you will know, what is which you see. You just develop a little bit of sensitivity. Mr. Modi: So this exercise for a while Shri Mataji: Now there is no wind…much coming actually. Just close the door, let’s see. It’s better. So we used to put off all the air conditioners you see in the hall for the same reason. Just put ……close it I think. Woman: Very difficult Mother with people sitting [UNCLEAR TEXT] Shri Mataji: Just, just close it. Mr. Modi: [UNCLEAR TEXT] You come in. Shri Mataji: It's alright you can wait outside for a while. Doesn’t matter. Mr.Modi: Some people who are, Mataji,..coming… Shri Mataji: No [UNCLEAR TEXT] Come from this side. Come along from this side. They are all sahaja yogis. Aren’t they? Yes, they can come from this side. Alright, they are all sahaja yogis. They have been with us. Poor sahaja yogis are thrown out and you are inside. They are very sensible. They understand. Yeah. Mr. Modi: Now with this… Shri Mataji: Now…now, are you feeling it? Mr. Modi: You again put both the hands towards Mother. Shri Mataji: Now see Mr. Modi: Whether you are getting equal vibrations in both the hands. If you get equal vibrations then that is an ideal situation. Now you can see in which particular finger there is a either heaviness, tingling sensation or burning sensation or itching… Shri Mataji: Or numbness. Mr. Modi: Or numbness. Shri Mataji: You have to develop the sensitivity. You see, just now because you are realized most of the time you will be feeling vibrations also. But then gradually the kundalini goes then and points it out you see. Then you start feeling…Now see. Where do you feel the heaviness? Yes that’s it. If you are feeling there on these fingers that means the left side is weak. Mr. Modi: Now supposing…now I will have to give you an… Shri Mataji: It will clear out. Mr. Modi: ….some examples at random you see. I will give you some examples at random. Shri Mataji: If the whole of the hand is catching it’s better to put another hand up like that. It clears out much more…faster. You put right up there. Yes. The left will clear out. Just like this. You see it's like a chimney going out. Now it's better? Women: Yeah. Shri Mataji: Put your hand like this. Like this…Like this…You see so the outlet is there. If both hands are towards Me then there's no outlet. So you put one hand towards Me and this is the outlet. See some people…now when one hand clears out much faster. Man: The hand that catches we put towards You? Shri Mataji: Yeah, the hand that catches and has less vibrations all that. Catches more put it towards Me. Man : I always get numbness and tingling on the little finger. Shri Mataji: And then….Have you been to some…He’s been to some? Man: Yes…This is Aneek’s friend. Shri Mataji: Huh? Man: This is Aneek’s friend. Aneek from Paris. Shri Mataji: Ahhh….I know, I know. It’s alright. That’s an indication….Watch it [UNCLEAR TEXT]…Now once it is cleared out now you see your… Man : Cool breeze.. Shri Mataji: Now there… Man: Its gone. Shri Mataji: Its gone…Now this one is? Where is it? Man : That one? Shri Mataji: Its alright. Man: yes… Shri Mataji: Now see…the…only in Sahasrara, this is the point where two are. Its very important too…that the right side goes to the left and left goes to the right. You see, mostly right hand catching means your ego is catching and the left side catching Mr. Modi: May I explain? Shri Mataji: Yes tell everything (To Mr. Modi). (To audience) is the superego catching. Alright? So he will explain to Me? [UNCLEAR TEXT] Now I think you sit more relaxed. I’ll go inside. And he will tell you everything into details what is to be done. Alright? For a while. Why don’t you come up from there… [UNCLEAR TEXT] I will look after the sahaja yogis. Now feel relaxed. You sit down. Relax. Move out a little. He will explain to you and you can discuss. Mr. Modi: Put bandans over there and the heaviness can be removed. How the bandhans are to be put how the things can be removed. The heaviness can be removed? How the burning sensation can be removed? This you can learn practically after about another two minutes of my explanations to you. Like this all the seven chakras could be identified. And all the seven chakras can be cleared. Now I have to tell you only one thing which is about ego and super ego. How they cross? That is the only thing I will tell you. And then I would request the sahaja yogis who are staying over here to again stand by so that you can mix with the group. One sahaja yogi can answer two or three people over here. Man: Mother would like to have the sahaja yogis. Mr. Modi: All of them there? Man: I think.. Another man: You can try[UNCLEAR TEXT/Phil]? Mr. Modi: I think one or two of them. Man: [UNCLEAR TEXT/Phil] just taped me on the shoulder and said sahaja..Mother would like sahaj…sahaja yogi.. Mr. Modi: OK

4/6/1981

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The innate nature of God

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Public Programme, Second Talk. Melbourne (Australia), 6 April 1981. Dr Warren talks about many things which are beyond me to understand. I can't help laughing why people get stuck up on them, I really don't know, because it is so obvious that God cannot be bought, you cannot pay for God, it is absolutely obvious for any intelligent man, it should be obvious. How much did you pay to become a human being from a monkey, what did we do, did we cut our tails or anything to become the monkey? We have become by the grace of God. What can we pay for the grace of God? It is very simple, you cannot, God doesn't understand money. It is human beings who have created money and all the things like economic woes and all the economic problems. God doesn't understand these economics you have made. He doesn't understand! This is all your own doing. Your own projection and complication and you are entangled into it. It is as simple as that. And when you see these people who live on other people's money, I call it OPM, are parasites. You won't live on other people's money, you, any one of you. So they do not have even a simple self respect. Not only that, but these parasites are cunning. It is so obvious, so very obvious, that we like to be fooled. The more cunning the befoolers, the better we are. I went to Calcutta once for a program and I had many programs, but one of them was in a very posh place as they call it, in a hotel they had the program. I said this hotel is an irrelevancy. These people will not be interested in Sahaja Yoga. They are too rich. All over the world very rich people will never understand, they want somebody who will take money from them, and they can show off their money. And we had a program and there were two halls. I told them take a very small one because I know them too well, and the bigger hall was occupied by another fellow who had some sort of a show on, stuff, and they were amazed that, except for two people, most of them who came inside went to his program and after eight days he was arrested in Poona for robbing people. But all of them went to his program and not to mine. When it was written articles about him and all those things and he looked so dishonest from his own photographs of, if you could see him, he was so dishonest to look at and people could not see that it was so simple to see that. See, so that shows you have lost every sensitivity to know what is plastic and what is real. It makes me laugh sometimes, when the other day in the aeroplane they were discussing these things and they were telling me most seriously how much he was tortured by another group and they took three thousand pounds just to get some horrible mantra which has no meaning and they worked very hard for days together and she broke his back and they broke every part of his bone in his backbone area, all sorts of things that he did and he became so nervous, a recluse, they even became frightened of a garlic, if they see a garlic, I mean after getting realisation you have to become a person who is absolutely powerful and in control of yourself but not aggressive and not to be such, become cowardly recluses and he told me all these things and I did not know what to do because it was such a description. They don't know whether to laugh or to cry really because this thing behind it is all hocus pocus absolutely hocus pocus, I mean this is absolutely absurd to say that you fly, see the light and all this nonsense, and on top of that there is the suffering of a person, a person who is a genuine seeker, a seeker, who is seeker. He is a man of god and he being tortured like this makes him so unhappy. I just don't know what to say about the whole thing, things that are happening. You have to wake up to your/self-esteem and know that you are created human beings for a special thing, and not to be vamoosed and cheated by these horrible fake people. One has to understand this and the innate nature of God to understand what will happen to you as realised souls, if you become abnormal and freaky then it is not that you have got your realisation, on the contrary a person who is realised becomes extrmely normal, is the most normal person. Apart from these things there are some diseases built within us which make us extremely stupid. Really built in I should say, because we have come from matter, we are gross, our origin has been gross, we came from matter and we grew up to see that there is something beyond the matter that is the spirit and we are the spirit, but we get dominated by this matter, we really get dominated by matter, all through in our ventures, for example, if you are sitting in a chair, and you can't make a chair out of some matter, you cannot sit on the ground, you have formed the habit, the habit of matter, matter starts growing on you, you become such a slave, such a slave of matter that you cannot get over it, any matter that you start using, for example if you start using a bath, then you can't do without a bath, you use electricity which is a material form, if it fails everything goes out, you cannot do without it. So matter is all the time trying to overpower the spirit, but the beauty is, through your evolution, you evolve to a stage where you are human being and you start seeing that matter cannot dominate your spirit. This should be the self estimation, there should be the understanding that you are the spirit and not the matter. When you see this simple point then you understand that you cannot purchase God. Then also another point, that one understands that it is not the way, that materially you see, somebody say somebody you should but spiritually, if he does say something spiritual then you should accept for example seeing the light, if they say you see the light, to see the light I have to be away from the light, do you see the point? You have to be the light. So it is a very simple thing, if you understand it is commonsense, that if you have to be the light, then you have to be inside the light, part and parcel of the light. But to see the light you have to go further. Actually from this distance I can't see the light, if I really have to see the light I have to go much further to see this light. All these things that they are copying and telling you is such a camouflage and they have been very good at befooling you. It is impossible to convince people who want to be befooled. It is impossible. It is easy to befool them because they are anxious to be befooled. Alright, but those who want to really be alive, then they should get it, then their attitude is very different. Then they should like to go and see what these disciples have got, these people who have paid so much money, that they been with people for fifteen and twenty years, go and see them, what have they got? If they say, "alright, I am feeling very much better, and happy", you look at the face and know they are not. Supposing they say "I feel relaxed", so what? What is so great about feeling relaxed, so called relaxation, you can feel relaxed even in some company you might feel relaxed, so what? What is so great, is that something God's work? Just to relax you? Some people say "I feel better", this might be ego pampering. But what powers did you get yourself? If you become the spirit then you have to have powers of the spirit flowing through you, isn't it? It should be common thing, logical conclusion. 'What is the power, what have I got from that? They have taken all my purse, my money. thousands of pounds have gone to him, what did I get from him? "We should have an understanding, but this nobody asks because there is a big mafia in all these organisations, you are not supposed to ask questions, you are not supposed to talk. You are put in different compartments, there is a big secret going on, I you tell the vidya they just laugh, nobody knows the meaning of the words, are so stupid. Some of the words of the mantras mean this finger, some of the words mean scorpion, some of them mean the serpent, all kinds of things, and some of them means the silence. In a ridiculous way these people have befooled you. I think it is a spite they have, or is it a spite of the satanic for the divine people who have come on this earth to seek God? It is that attack of these negative people who are trying to divide you completely, ruin your nature on this earth, you have to be aware of that. You are very vulnerable because you are saints, you are born vulnerable because you have no self esteem, you treat yourselves so cheaply. You do not judge what lions' den you are entering into and you can be so badly hurt, with all your sensitivity, with all that, you do not give a second to think that even if there are thousands of them going before I am going there I must find out what kind of a nonsense is going on. If you go there as an ordinary visitor, you will immediately find out that this is a fake and a false one, you have been warned in the bible there will be fakes and false people coming on this earth. Now there are another type of people also, having covered the chakras later, we will learn how to avoid, who are bound by futuristic idea, as he said about Krishna, of giving very subtle forms of this. But we must see what it is doing, like Church of England, can you imagine, Church of English owns the whole of Soho. And the question was raised, "how can you own Soho, where all the prostitutes are earning their living?" And the answer came in that Christ looked after Mary Magdalene, who was a prostitute, you can see, and the people accepted this answer. Then the whole thing with the ritual starts, "come along here and sit down, and bring the child and we will baptise it." It's a joke, it's a very big joke. Baptism is a living process, it's a living happening. Did Christ baptise anyone himself? Did He put His hand on anybody's head and say "you are baptised by me"? Ask the question, did He really? Then how are these people doing it? They are taking Christ in their hand as if they found him somewhere in the storm somewhere. What right have they got to say they are baptising? It is a living force of God which resides within you and says, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames." Let them explain this quality. Let them say, "He is our Father who art in Heaven", what does that mean to you? For that you have to read Bible. What was Christ? Who is Me? (...?) Why he came on this earth? Really, what was His purpose? There is nothing there. Just some few people who were not realised saw him and noted down, finished. How can that become such an authority for anyone who was an observer, that you are writing. It's very deep, it is because it is so narrow that it is extremely deep. You have to be right in it to see. For example, you are standing on a well which is very narrow, but just hardly you can see anything inside, you can just see something in the middle. To see the complete vision of that well you have to go in and see the narrower side, and that we are not able to do because Bible is the last word. Now I could say that any other persons would come and say, "now what is the authority of Bible, now what authority is there, if you say Christ is the authority of Bible." Take it like that, Christ never wrote Bible, He never wrote a word, so you are correct. Could be some journalist who wrote about Him, could be anything absurd. If they do say Gita, ask them "who wrote Gita?" Krishna never wrote Gita, never, did he write it? So what is the authority of it. Gita has no authority as such, how can you say it was written by Krishna? He had nothing to do with it. Anybody, supposing you' see me today and you write about me, you can write anything, anything you feel, like a journalist came just to sort of find fault with me. She was paid by some fake guru and she wrote that I chewed betel nut, which I have never eaten all my life I wish that I could because I think there are some people, but I never eat and she said she saw me eat betel nut and she never has. If she had written bible about me it would have been very funny than that is not the authority either. Moreover they did not have tape recorders to tape anybody's lectures or anything, even the photgrapher was not there, that is today all these things are there, so what is the authority? This is the problem with us that we accept certain things as an authority because we think we can control people by this misappropriation of authority to ourselves. There have been people who have said "I am the Christ". I said "alright" I said, "alright,walk on the water"(....) no chance because Christ could walk on the water because he was Omkara Himself. Omkara he can walk because he has no body as such he can walk on the water,(...) alright, "walk on the water" ,first step he can take on the water, the second he will go down. All such hocus pocus will be found out. if -somebody says "if you give me money I will make you fly", let him go off this leaning tower of Pisa what it is meant for, after all it must be used sometimes, and throw him down, see how far he goes with flight. Have a nice show for it. That how you can find out these people whether they have it or not. So this is how I find in this country, also is in a very bad state from these people who are here to spoil your chances of realisation. And it is very difficult to give realisation to people who have been to these people, have been initiated, have been really spoiled in their Kundalini. I have worked day in and day out to neutralise it, I have been working. For the interest in your Self can only come when you have such a thing that is very important and that is theyou about Visshudhi. The Visshudhi is the centre placed at the back of the backbone here which has given to human beings a speciality which separates him from animals, that he raises his head up. By raising his head upward he has been able to create a new dimension for himself. And this new dimension is a dimension by which he creates ego within himself. Before becoming a human being your brain was flat and all coverd with the super ego. Animal like dogs, or you can say horses, they have the super ego. I hope you can see all of you before becoming a human being, and when you become human beings a locking system took place by which you started developing, or you can say a twisting system took place by which you started developing our action. For example an animal does not know how to make a chair out of wood, an action physically, at the most it might carry this chair you have made, put it there and let you sit on that. It can take the chair a man has made and sit on that, but he cannot make anything for himself. Maybe he can weave for himself a small little nest or something like that at the most. So you with your action can overpower the matter. You have been able to achieve great heights in overpowering all the five elements and by using them as power, for example, electricity, magnetism, sound, (everything?), ether. But animals when they come in contact with human beings they also can become conditioned as far as their understanding of relationship with human beings is concerned, but it is not that they could be made to act on to some matter, and this action, physical action has given a by-product which is called as ego. This is the beginning. Then the second action is the thinking. The animals don't think of the future, he doesn't have any insurances. Animals are not bothered about--insurance, of what will happen to my great grandchildren when I die, what part of my house will be going to which children, he is not bothered about all these things and he does not-even have such a sense of possession as human beings has, so it happens that we start developing our ego when we start planning for the future, thinking of the future, going into the future and also when we use our physical being to create something or any physical work or aggress something. If any animal goes and attacks a cow or something, say a tiger, and brings it home for his family, he is not a cow, he is not egoistically like human beings are. Like human beings, if they earn about five hundred dollars they become very egoistical, they think they have earned such a lot of money and they have done so much that they have earned the right to dominate the wife and vice versa. But an animal doesn't think he has the right to dominate, for whatever he does is in the nature of his own personality, he doesn't do it as the idea that he has to do this and he is very important and he doesn't have this ego, so he does not even think that this is karmas and he has to pay for it and he has done something wrong and go to a Brahman and pay a lot of money "because I have done such a thing", these ideas do not come into the head of an animal because he is not into that dimension. A new dimension of karma which human beings are because of this situation, because of ego, if you feel you have done that the Mother will come, if you had no ego you would never have felt that. These two things are at this point and you should see very clearly (...) It should start from there and pull down from there, actually it should start from these two points, animals start developing But you cannot put your attention inside, that's imposible. I cannot tell you just to put your attention inside, some happening has to take place within you. Supposing something is (....) false then your attention goes there isn't it? In the same way when your Kundlini awakening takes place, then your attention goes through that which is awakened there and you just start seeing the way, or, you can say, feeling the way, but it is such a quick thing, a split of a second, that sometimes you miss everything except that you see the cool breeze and start feeling it. Sometimes you do start feeling it, and it's here, and here, and so many people feel that it has come up now, and its throbbing, now its alright, it has started. It depends on what sort of runway you have, if the runway is horrid, then you go on feeling all the bumps. Sometimes the runways are so badly spoiled that it takes months for the Kundalini to rise, but now I think in Sahaja Yoga we have developed such methods and techniques, such permuations and combinations, that now it is much easier to raise the Kundalini than it was, say, ten years back. Then I had twenty disciples with whom I worked for two years to give them realisation. In London I had six disciples for four years working to give them realisation. There are now nearly a thousand in UK and in Sydney we have lots of them also. And in India also we have thousands. And they just get it in a second, but it is a different thing now because it has evolved so well. But this happening is a living happening, this you can't jump, take off your clothes, stand on your head, wear some badges, wear some clothes, but you can't make the Kundalini rise unless you see the pulsation at the triangular bone, you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini, until you feel the pulsation of the Kundalini and see the pulsation, you can see the rising of the kundalini. You can see. You can also feel the cool breeze rising, you can also feel with a stethoscope the sound, lap lap lap lap coming up to here which Kabir has very clearly said (....) coming up to the apex of yourhead. Anahat is the thump of your heart, and that is how we feel the Kundalini and then it breaks through and then you feel it on your fingers, actually feel it, it is an actualisation of the experience. This is what the baptism is. When Warren has said that we have never had our real baptism, do not be angry with him. Because it is a fact, you have not got your realisation. Christ has said you have to be born again, you understand He has said it, so now they are saying we are born again, another form of self certification. First it was a baptism, now there is another thing started, we are born again. Now when they come and us, these people they change from one to another. How is it that Christ, that how is it that through Christ, who has said so, and you will see that only through Sahaja Yoga, ultimately you will pass through the gate of Christ only, to get to the Kingdom of God. It is a fact, what He said, and He never told lies. He told the complete truth, and nothing but the truth. But the way you interpret it, the way you understand it, is so narrowish, that you do not want to accept it. This is the gate where our start, and this is the greatest thing we have done. Now this Visshudi chakra is the centre of Shri Krishna. If I say this is the centre of Shri Krishna you may start doubting me. You may doubt mealso, it is not proper, with Indians because they know of this centre, they know where Shri Krishna resides. They know there are sixteen petals for this and they know he is called as the complete incarnation of the sixteen petals, all this they know, I do not have to bother with it. And the centre here of Christ is actually bit confusing because it is called as Mahavishnu. Not as Christ, but as Mahavishnu, and he is called as Bodha not as Buddha, but Bodha, it is a difference of language. In one of my lectures on Christ, you will find out what is his origin, why He was called Jesus, why He was called Christ and what is the origin of these things, why He arrived, who was His mother and everything you will find out from that lecture. It is better that you go through that lecture and see for yourself. We have lots of these tapes already in Sydney and we can send it over to you and you can look at it from that angle because in this small little time I cannot elaborate talk about Krishna, and about Christ, but the only thing I have to tell you is there is a very great relationship between both of them, and Christ is the word that comes from the word, Chrinsa, and Chis in India is means for agriculture and Chrisna and Chrisi also is the word for-agriculture and agriculture means the one where you sow, and they are the sowers of the seed. They are sowing the seed in the fields. So the sowing of the seed is done by Shri Krishna, and the Gita he is described is also another very interesting thing about Shri Krishna which they have very much confused. Krishna never wrote Gita, first of all, and it was never written by an absolute Brahmin or anything who was a born brahmin, it was written by the illegitimate child of a fisherman. How can he write, a man like that, that you are born as a Brahmin you have to be born as a Brahmin what he was meaning, then you have the aptitude for. it, that means you are a seeker of God, all the seekers of God are Brahmins and all the seekers of power are Shachtihis, and seekers of money are payshics, which means the attitude, but Hindus as usual have made like all others, have made a mess out of these, made a Mess out of all their philosophers. According to them if you are born a Brahmin, even if you are born the greatest crook in the world, you are a Brahmin. And even if you are a person who is a very highly evolved person, then if you are not born in a Brahmin family, then you are good for nothing. This caste system is such a horrible thing in India, it has no explanation at all in the scriptures because it is written that in everyone resides the spirit, the spirit is in everyone of you, how many have mastered it? You can have those aptitudes, but as usual, people have escapes for everything, on this point that everybody has the spirit within them. Gita has described it, that everyone has the spirit, but one has to know when he says that the spirit within them that every human being has the spirit within them, not the devils. Because Krishna himself has killed so many devils in his lifetime, because one of the powers is sobhandana, means to kill so many devil on this principle that there is spirit in everyone, why did he kill so many devils? The devils do not have spirit. There are devils, and devils and devils, for example say, Hitler if he comes to ask for a realisation, do you think he can get it and should get it? His greatest reward would be for all his lives to come. Question from audience: how can you be sure he wasn't Shri Krishna casting out devils? Shri Mataji: For that you must get your realisation. That's all, you see, when you reach Nirvikalpa then you become the absolute. For example I'll tell you, when you get your realisation, you get your vibrations, alright? And with these vibrations you can find out what is true and what is not true. For example we had some Brahmins at one of the programs I had first arranged, and I didn't know they had a big fight with the organisers and they said, "She is not a Brahmin, so how can she hold a program here", or something like that. And they were sitting in the front of the hall and I said, "who is Brahmin among you, who thinks he is a Brahmin, just come forward", so five or six of them came and sat, so I said to them, "put your hand like that" and they started shaking their hands, and they got frightened. I said, "why are you shaking", and they said, "because we are Brahmins, and You are the power." And I said, see to your neighbours, "are they also shaking?" And they said they be also shaking, they be also Brahmins. I said, "see now who are they", and they said they were some people who had come from an lunatic asylum. He said only two people there are shaking, I said "will you believe what you have seen, that when you thought you were Brahmins, you are mad too to believe such a thing". Now to believe that Hitler was also good, is a typical sign of escaping, to like horrible things, you see, just to have an idea that everything is fine, is the best place for jumping into the devils' hand. And that is what is happening to people, they never doubted anyone. And I don't know where you people get these ideas about everybody's life, even Christ, he too a (...) in his hand and He was whipping them all. He was love and compassion, no doubt, but He did whip them, and He also said "don't throw pearls before the swines", was true, His compassion had a special purpose which I will tell you just now, why He got himself crucified, which is a very important thing, but when we just say that everything is fine, everything is good, the reason is we do not want to face the reality. Because, maybe we cannot understand that there could be anything bad, but after realisation, you will discover that yourself there are problems, is something wrong, even in the best there are problems you have not seen and faced. Perhaps there are problems in you which you have not wanted to see in others but after realisation you get out of yourself. Like this sari I am wearing, if I am not identified with it, I see a spot I would like to clean, I will have to deal with, I see and I deal with it, I am not saying it is a good thing to have a spot, but supposing I am identified, I say, "oh, there's nothing wrong, absolutely normal". There are among these gurus, not one, but so many these days, that you have not at all any idea, if you had you would not have allowed. Now whatever happens to us in our consciousness, is only limited to our human awareness, and whatever we see in our human awareness, like at the time Shri Krishna came, we got our human awareness, in that we got only two points, one is our super ego, which is our conditioning, and another is our ego, which we have achieved at a rate that we have done this, I am that, I am this, I like that, you like this. So we are only two things, either super ego, or ego. We wobble it. The third thing which should be in us, is our spirit in the heart. And for that the point is the central point by which we balance, between these two, the desire and the action. We've got a balancing in the centre, by understanding what is the best. For example a person drinks a lot, he kills himself by drinking. He suddenly tells himself he knows it is bad, that his father killed himself by drinking, so he takes a life which is very much more in moderation. You start learning by so many experiences, right and wrong, how to keep in the centre, that's what you can learn with human awarenes, if you can only learn how to keep in the centre. Now, you have to go beyond human awareness to be the awareness of the spirit, and when you become the awareness of the spirit, should become that you should ask for, when you become that the whole picture will be before you. Because you can feel it yourself, and understand what is right and what is wrong. On your vibratory awareness, which is a new dimension. Even children. Take ten children who are realised souls. If you ask them what is the matter with another person, then immediately they will raise the same finger and say this is the matter. If you ask the person "have you got a cold or bronchitis or something", and he will say, "yes". If this hand shows the whole left side, then it means he suffering from emotional trouble. You do not know anything about your chakras at all before realisation. One must accept what it is, that is nothing wrong, it is only your ego which stops now listen. Then once you get your realisation you start feeling your different centres, you start feeling it inside you and you start feeling the centres of others. Anyone who wants to know if Hitler was or not only has to ask the question and you can feel it, and can't even bear it, horrible vibrations you get from him. Once some Sahaja Yogis were asking about some devilish people and got actual blisters, specially with this Hitler, actual blisters, they got, actual blisters. After realisation you get real actual self consciousness because you become the spirit within the heart. The spirit resides in the heart but this is the base of its' seat. There are seven seats in the head, and the seat of the spirit is here. when the Kundalini goes, it is just a small thread of Kundalini rises because there are lots of problems and a very small thread through the Brahma nadi in the very centre -most channel, rise and opens and when it opens the grace comes to you, and when the grace comes down you get completely relaxed, and it falls in either side of the ida and pingala nadi, the sympathetic nervous system manifesting our left and right sympathetic nervous system. By this you first feel relaxed, thoughtless, and when it is little bit established you start feeling the cool breeze, because your spirit has started manifesting, and you just feel a cool breeze, like a wind coming. First you may feel a bit tingling, giddy, heat, all that going round, sometimes people a little bit shake, also because the nerves are not properly built up, if they do not have the strength to bear it, then it sometimes happens that you shake, doesn't matter. It takes some time to work in some people, in some people it doesn't take time at all. It is the quality of the central path of your Sushumna that is important. if it is very simple, there is no problems, then the Kundalini takes no time She is anxiously waiting, She is your mother, She is the desire, the pure desire within you to become one with the spirit. Unless and until you achieve it, whatever you may try, you can do anything you like, you spoil your Sushumna, but you have to get it because otherwise your seeking will not cure, but you have to reach the place where you can say "I have found it." If you have not found the spirit, you will never be happy with anything sort of thing you do. Anything you do., Be kind to yourself. Be gracious to yourself and get your realisation. This is the simple thing as a Mother I would like to tell you.There is nothing to be done except by getting your realisation. But if you are an adamant person, and if you are employed by some of the false gurus, like some of the poor people who come here who have been to false gurus, you cannot get realisation. I am sorry if you cannot get it, I cannot help you. But if you are coming here by yourself and you want to have it, if you do not have the desire for it you will not get it, at any cost.You are not being forced to do it, your freedom is completely respected. If your freedom is not respected, how are you going to enjoy it, the freedom of your spirit? So it is completely in your hands, be free and accept, whether you get realisation or not. Now this chakra of Visshudi is very important because there are sixteen sub plexes which are looked after, for example ear, nose, throat, all these things are looked after by this centre of Shri Krishna, and this centre has got two sides, one is the left, and one is the right, I have to talk about it because people in the West somehow suffer from the left visshudi, one of the main reasons is the heavy smoking, right is affected by the smoking, but later on it goes to the left also. But more important, you people have developed a theory, I don't know how, that you have to be guilty for everything. Maybe it is from your childhood, your mother said don't do this, don't do that, don't spoil the carpet, maybe your confessions in the churches, I don't know what to blame but it is a very good indulgence for people to sit down and think "oh I shouldent have done this I should not have done that", criticising yourself. This is also a very good escape of egoistical people. They are egoistical, they dominate others, then they sit down and weep on their left visshudi. This left visshudi is such a dangerous place, that it creates problems of the worst nature in human beings. For example, if you have any cancerous growth in you and if you have left visshudi, it is going to be difficult to cure. Because the escape of the Kundalini has to be through the visshudi chakra, and the escape of all these tensions of the cancer. And if you have this kind of a bad habit of sitting down and indulging into this kind of a nonsensical thing, like sitting down like Lord Byron and reading some tragedy and making some tragedy out of it, it is a drama! What is there to be tragic about? What is wrong with you? You are very rich people, you have everything, don't you very say count your blessings one by one? How many blessings have you got? You are specially blessed in this Australia, I think you are specially blessed. But you want to show that you are extremely miserable. The worst at this are the French I should say. "Mother you shouldFor when I went to France, they said, not say you are a happy person because they will think you are not sensitive", I said, "Really?", for the French are very sensitive people, to what? Not to holiness, not to purity, they are sensitive to God knows what. Ten feet you walk along the road and find a prostitute standing on the road, walk another ten feet find alcoholics lying in the street, are these sensitive people? Sensitive to their spirit? What are they sensitive to? Is this a very good thing that in the night you drink a lot, sleep with ten women and in the morning they feel guilty. Who asked them to go into this kind of a life and then sit down and cry and say "I feel so guilty, I have done so wrong and so forth." That is why I have to talk about this centre, is very important also because the centre of the sister of Shri Khrishna, which is so very important, of Shri Vishnumaya. The relationship between brother and sister is absolutely God given, in all relationships. For us Indians we do not have this problem, really we don't. I tried to explain it. The other day we had a very interesting talk, because two Indians have come with me, very great Sahaja Yogis they are, they said "Mother, why did you say that girl cannot hold the hand of a girl?" I said, "you won't understand."They said, "no, no, we would like to, does that mean to say we should close our girls' schools in India? I mean for a girl to hold the hand of a girl, it is much better." I said "this is rather difficult for you to understand." They said, "if a girl holds the hand of a man is that a holier relationship?" Is absurd. They think will it be holy to hold the hand of a man, it won't. They value the holy relationships. To this holy relationship is gone, it is the sole power of the brain. Like, if you go and see the zoo. If there is a wombat, it behaves like a wombat, if there is a monkey, it behaves like a monkey, if there is a tiger, it behaves like a tiger, but a human being if you put him in the zoo, you will see, he will eat up all the foods, he will cut down all the trees, he will go to all the depths of it, he will break his nose, he will lose his ears, he will spoil it all, he cannot sit quiet. You give him a tree, he will eat the fruits, he will have the bark inside himself, he will have the roots inside himself, he is so irresponsible, it is so horrid the way this brain is moving, all the time with this relationship, that relationship of all the types, he cannot sit quiet. You see when he is sitting for five minutes he thinks it is a jail, it is so boring, he must always be doing something important. And what is the important thing he does? Is to really ruin himself. He must go to a pub, he must go to a friend, he must go somewhere he will really ruin himself for his sense of holiness and all his sense of sanity. That's why we have no sense of sisterliness, the relationship of a sister. This is so much missing that to talk about it in England was impossible, because they said this is a Victorian or a Georgian or everything moves according to whatever moves that horrible England to the kings that worked so hard to ruin it.The kings themselves were such horrible things, I don't know how they managed to stay. So you are branded a Georgian or a this or a that, whatever you say, they cannot see the integration of anything, after one second they say, this is absolutely Victorian, so I say alright, doesn't matter, what is good, I would like to know. They said to be Victorian everything has to be condemned, there has to be something good about it also? This is how the whole outlook of the people always trying to brand you, what about yourself? What brand are you to give to yourself? That's the point nobody wants to see. What brand am I? What is my brand? 1 am no brand. That's what you are. Sometimes I feel so many people the way they think they have no sense, like in the night like nocturnal animals they do that and that, and that is how they have broken themselves like mad, for what? For what? Be in the centre. You must just wait for something to happen, you are. For what? You just have to wait, it is going to happen, this is your own, you are the people who are searching the soul, for which it is all created, the whole seed is there, you just have to get it, for why are you breaking everything that God has given you, it is such a beautiful being he has created, you are the most beautiful one, have you not seen when you go to the zoo all the animals are looking at you?It is a better bet they are looking forward, what have you got to give to them, I don't know. But once you have your realisation you will know the meaning of your being, you will know what you are. This is what one has to establish. We have really done lots of wrongs to ourselves by not understanding really, self realisation. one must know that you are the diamonds, that you are the saints, that you have the rights to the kingdom of God, you are specially made for this purpose, like being the people who are, you have climbed up there, instead of that you are lost into your egos and super egos and frankly what you are doing is destroying all your chances of your ascent which is so easily to be done. It is such a living process which is going to work out, it is not going to harm you in any way it is for you only, it is all there, it is Sahaja, it is within you, it is spontaneous, and it is going to work out, only thing you must know you must not treat yourself so shabbily and with such hatred towards yourself. It is no good to have such a low opinion towards yourself. This is the left side, the right side of course is the people who talk big, the people who say, like politicians, who talk down people, when they speak they just dominate and by their speech they control you. This centre, right side people have who are hot tempered, who lose their tempers and frighten people with their tempers and say such horrible things and people are so frightened just to keep them quiet they manage somehow. This type of people have the right vissudhi and if they have the colds it is a balance come to them, and if they talk too much they have the problem of trying to speak and some people lose their voices if they talk too much because the balance comes into them.Now the centre one is of Shri Khrishna. Shri Krishna is the one who creates the witness in us, he is the one who refuted all kinds of formal ritualistic things in religion. But he didn't become a hippie, that's one thing one should understand, he didn't go to another extreme. You see when he said that all these junks and formal things that are there, he didn't say that you take to drugs and other nonsensical forms of things, he said that if you have to get over this, you have to see it as a drama, the whole thing is a joke going on, it is a drama with life, but for that you have to become, it is not a question of achieving it with rational thinking, you have to go beyond your mind to achieve it, and that going beyond is done by your Kundalini. Now that he did not do it does not mean he was there, he was very much there, like a painting you have first the background, then you have another colour, then you have another colour, then you have a third colour, now the fourth colour, and now the time has come for the whole picture to be there. Everybody has played his part, a very important part in our evolution, everyone is needed, among you may be many who is having trouble with his vissudhi, especially Hari Rama Hari Krishna people, they suffer mostly from throat cancer. Because they go against Shri Krishna, by taking his name so vainly on Oxford street, they would stand with those things they get in the market, then they attach it here, and go on dancing. Making mockery out of Shri Krishna. Apart from that they take the name of Shri Khrishna unauthorised. Who has authorised them to take the name of Shri Krishna? They spoil this chakra completely because if you take the mantra this way you spoil the left visshudi really badly.All those who have been given mantras have spoiled their left visshudi, because these mantras are not like one mantra to somebody. I mean, are we only one chakra, or part of a chakra? And that too like Tinga they say, and all these things, where are they within us? They ran short of the names I would say, so they started getting hold of any names, or they were sinister giving such horrible names to you. This left visshudi you catch so badly. Most people who took these mantras when they speak their lower jaw will be like this, they have difficulty to talk. They cannot talk properly. This is one of the things you will find they have pain in the left hand side at the back, this is the beginning of it. Anything mantra that has been given to you has to have logic. It is a big sign, it is not something nonsensical, you come here, I give you a card, finish. It is a big science, you see how many deities are there. You must know where the problem is, it is like the Kundalini is rising here, a very big power, and now that here is an obstruction, and you want to get rid of that obstruction, then you say again the password, and you go on again, but if the Kundalini has not started, what is the use of saying a mantra? What is the use of having a mantra? If the Kundalini is staying down there, and you are saying a mantra about a chakra and it would be something like this, "that I am frozen in England" and saying a password for a bridge here. This is absurd. Because you are so naive about it, our Indian women think they are so very westernised and sophisticated, they also are equally naive, they don't want to know anything about the scriptures, they are not half witted or anything, they do not know anything about Lord Krishna, the mantra has to be connected with your development in your Kundalini. Not only that, but it should relate to the movement in your Kundalini. It should be given by a person who is a realised soul. Jagrut, awakened. The mantra has to be awakened. And that you will find in Sahaja Yoga is such a simple thing.For example, the Kundalini is stopping at this point, then what is the mantra for this point, Lord's prayer, or "I forgive", to make it shorter. That is the weapon Christ has given us of forgiveness, at this point, which stops your thinking. If any Dick, Tom and Harry cannot do it, you have to have realisation for it, and then because the Kundalini has reached there, and is stopping there you have to say alright, this is Lord's Prayer, you say Lord's Prayer. what is the mantra over here? It is Allah Akbar, you put these fingers here, and say "Allah Akbar" three times, if you don't want to do sixteen. But you have to be a realised soul, or the one who says to do it has to be a realised soul. It is an authority from God, not some theological college. It is a mockery, do you get knowledge of God from a theological college? I mean you must enter the Kingdom of God to know what He is, what He is like, what is His whole vidya, His knowledge. You will find that His knowledge is very different from the knowledge you have. Have you ever known that this is the visshudhi chakra?You have not known this before, it is not written. Some things had to be just told by Me also, because this was left for Me to be told. Now this chakra, the visshudi chakra, gives you the witness that Lord Krishna has described that you become the (...?) I would like you also to listen to the tape on Shri Krishna which is very good, recently I spoke about him in a very detailed manner. You can have all these tapes brought down to Melbourne, and listen to them, but listening to them only is of no use if you start living again in a funny way. I do not want you to make a pickle out of me as you have pickled out others. Put it into practice. Because when I spoke in America they were all taping me down, and everybody said "Mother you should not allow them to tape because sitting there are writers and this and that and they will use your knowledge and spread the, and I said "what can I do?, after all the Kundalini I have to awaken and I said "let them do it, I will be very happy to sit down if they can do it, let them do it I would be very happy." Anybody who says why should it be you, I will be very happy to settle down, because I gain nothing, what do I gain? For anybody who is willing to do it, I will be very happy to retire, absolutely. Because by God's grace I am a married woman, very happily married, I have my own children, I have grand children, why should I bother my head, travelling around like this? Yesterday in Sydney, today here in Melbourne, then again to Sydney, then to India, why should I do this? For what? Only because I love, I know this is my mission, I know I have to do it, this is my job, but if anybody else can do it I will be very happy for them to do it.Now when it comes to this awakening, and all that, it is the thing that happens to you, it is the thing that moves within you, and you have to feel the movement, it is not a blind game where you throw the money into the fountain and say "now I am going to enter into the marriage." You can do what you like. Somebody says jump, do this and so that. Nothing. Every bit is logical. First your Kundalini must arise, if it does not I cannot give you a certificate, nobody can give you a certificate, It is nothing like this. So in America when I went and they all had tape recorders, something bad has come out of it, it is called Born Again. All these things have come from there, only from my lectures. Because I am told when the Christians, when they called me, thinking they'd be Christians in the churches they called me bonafide because I wasn't baptised according to them, so I should be baptised by these people so I would be alright, I was bonafide. They called me in the church, and they also collected a collection for me, very interesting. But best part of it, some of them caught up as they were, I say you have to be born again. Born again, so they have got a college called Born Again, finish. It is very difficult with these mad people, anything you tell them they make a cult out of. Anything you do they want to pickle, it is such a difficult thing. They don't want to take to reality, they want to keep their egos everywhere asserting by which they pluck out all that is living and make it dead, ugly and say "this is mine, this is mine." Absurd. But-this is what happened to us. Now about Christ, I think they just listened to Christ, they said (...) they showed what Krishna has said in his lifetime, that the spirit doesn't die, it cannot be killed, it cannot be lowered, it has to rise, what ever, and it rises. Whatever you may try, it is eternal, that is what Christ has proved by His resurrection. But by His resurrection He has achieved a great, which the Jews cannot know and the Christians have not carried the message because they also do not know. But the greatest thing He has done, to our awareness is, that if you pass through that centre your karmas are sucked, your sins are forgiven.This is the beauty He has created within us, by which our egos are sucked in, He sucks in our ego, He is the sucker of our ego. And all the Christian nations are the greatest ego orientated people. Very difficult to talk to them. First thing they will do is to box your nose. If not crucify you. They are extremely aggressive people, extremely aggressive and very ignorant. They are so naive, so naive, In India it is not so difficult to talk to them because they know what is knowledge. I mean they know what is Kundalini, they know. They know what is the rising of the Kundalili, they know who can do this, it is not difficult to talk to them, because the people are so naive, in spiritual life, and then they are so ego orientated, despite the fact that Christ is the one who is the sucker of your ego, He is the one who sucks your ego, so there is no karmas after realisation. You become the spirit, and spirit does not have any karma, it is a myth, it is sucked and this is what Christ has done for us.So, when Christians, so called, came to India, they converted people in such a crude method by putting a loaf in a well which the poor Indians ate - they are naive as far as Christianity was concerned - and they said this was the meat of the cows and now you are all finished, you are Christians, so the whole village became Christians. Like that they tried all dirty tricks on Indians and they all became Christians-and now Indian Christians are the worst of all, poor things, they think they are so condemned forever, now they can never be converted, they can never be realised, they cannot be resurrected, they are doomed people, who have eaten the cows' meat, not they, but their forefathers. It is such a wretched state. But if a realised soul had come they would have seen that this is what Christ was supposed to do, which is written in the Devi Mahatmayam, that He is the support of the universe. But the narrow visions of Christians and the narrow visions of Hindus, and the narrow visions of Moslems have made such a mess, that the time has come to get the whole picture, the complete integration, of all these great incarnations, who are within you and to understand them in reality, what they are, and becoming yourself such a vital personality and a collective being Of Christ, I don't know, I must have spoken hours and hours, about Krishna I must have spoken hours. In England also we have got about 300 to 400 tapes on different subjects which you should get them and listen to them. But again do not make it a big (... ? for you, it is to be actualised, it has to be felt, it is to be practised within yourself. It is not for giving you any big knowledge. We have a book called Advent, which is written by a French Sahaja Yogi. It is a very beautiful book, but we do not sell it to people who are not realised. We do not, because it is very difficult for a person who is not realised to get the book, that is why they crucified Christ. That is why they tortured Mohammed. That is why they tortured all the saints, because they could not bear to the truth, their ego could not bear it. So we do not give those books to people who are not realised, if you are realised then you can order a copy, you can get the book, but otherwise not. I am sorry we have certain experiences, and we feel on these experiences that unless and until human beings are realised they are not going to value anything like that, they will value anything else but their mukta, and here you do not pay a single pai, so there is no binding force. Like many people say, I say "why are you still doing these things", and they say "we have paid for it, so let us go through it", even if it is hell you go through it, that's the mentality. Now here there is nothing paid, there's on attachment, it is your freedom which is attached to you, if you are really a seeker you will go deep into it and have the blessings, have the beauty of that spirit which is within you, which you can have. The time has come, this was the time was promised, this was talked about in John's Revelations. Also in many of the Indian scriptures it is described. But the best is William Blake, who has described it very beautifully in his book called "Miltonll, even the place where I lived, was Surrey Hills, he has said, the first beacons will be lit in Surrey Hills, he has also said where our ashram is, that in the ruins of Lambeth Way, foundations will (end of tape 1) (...?) That now you want to go to my car. Now my car has shifted to London. Better go to London, that's what it is. One has to realise that when we talk of anyone like Christ or Moses or Abraham or Mohammad or anyone, we should know they are all related to each other. While we are identified with one or the other. Let us identify ourselves with all of them to understanding of Kundalini you'll be amazed, when the Kundalini rises, if somebody's a muslum he has to take the name of Nanaka otherwise Kundalini doesn't rise. All the fanatics have to give up their fanaticism before the Kundalini rises. And even if their Kundalini rises and gives them realisation then again sinks back into their fanatic (...?) So all these things will only disappear, all these related things will disappear as soon as you find your absolute, that is your spirit. About the Spirit, I'm sorry I cannot talk in such a small time, but there's a very good tape on Sat-Chit-Anand, that is the spirit and it's best to listen to that because I would do no honour to your spirit if I just finish it in two minutes or three minutes like that. It's a very wide subject and very beautiful. Most enjoyable to know about your own spirit, about yourself, that, truly you are not this body, not this mind, not this ego. Neither these conditionings and these old ideas you have, conceptions. You are what you are. Thank you very much. Now I'm going away to India on the 8th, and tomorrow there's a good programme in Sydney and 8th I'll be giving up and then I'll be in Europe a short time and going back to London. Maybe next year I'll be coming here. I would request you that you must attend your collective programmes because the message of Sahaja Yoga is collectivity. If you take my photograph and meditate at home after some time you'll find you'll lose vibrations. You will not grow. You have to grow collectively. It's very important that all of you should grow together collectively. Collectiveness must be developed otherwise you must work it out, how it works on others and how it cures others and how you help others, is to be seen. Some people will be coming from Melbourne, from Sydney to Melbourne, in the beginning still, who understand Sahaja Yoga and then they will go away. Of course there is no money, nothing involved as you see, we have started in a very small way. Now next time I come I'm sure Melbourne will be a (...?) of very good Sahaja Yogis. Not doubting, but understanding, doubting doesn't give you much chance, you see, what is there to doubt, is nothing but your ego is doubting something. There's nothing to doubt, just come and see this is a new university to which you have entered, you don't have to pay anything - that's all. When you have to pay, do not doubt and ask questions, I know you'll go head long, but here you are free, you have freedom to doubt but do not pull it too fast because you will spoil your chances of realisation. May God bless you. (applause) QUESTIONS Q: Why is Hatha Yoga an impediment to the heart chakra? Shri Mataji: The Hatha Yoga that you do here is an apology for the real Hatha Yoga. Real Hatha Yoga was written by Patanjali thousands of years back for students who used to go to their gurus and they were picked up specially for self -realisation. All the children used to go to gurus in childhood from 5-25 years of age and they lived a very celebate life in those places. There was not question of their marrying each other even when today we see these gotras with the universities, we cannot marry. In the same gotra, supposing my gotra is a (...?) I cannot marry any boy from the (...?) gotra. None of my children can also marry the gotra of my husband so that purity is still maintained as brothers and sisters. You can imagine the celebacy, that all the students of the universities were brothers and sisters. These are the times when long time back they had this (...?) where people used to have four stages of life. First was the Brahmacharya when celebacy was there. Second was the (Grahasta?) where they were married, then was the (Vanavastha?) where the husband - wife used to retire as grandparents in the forest and live with their children to give them love. And fourth one when they were Sanyasis - when one of them died they lived like just, like detached people - and helped everyone around. Like that we had (Charturtvaisvath?). Now in this (Charturtvaisvath?) conditions you see the Patanjali was the great great master of realisation and the first thing that you have to do in Patanjali Yoga is (ashtung?). There are eight things, but simultaneously to be done. First thing is Ishwars, means establishment of God, means realisation. That's the first thing to be done that establish your God. Once you're established to your God then the Kundalini starts rising. Then supposing there's any problem on any centre, alright, then there is, there are other ways also of curing it. There are ashtunga and one of them is also a typical exercise for a particular chakra, if it is on the right side part of it we do use that but depending on what's the trouble. For example, I have a trouble in the throat and I try to do some exercise for the stomach, stomach will go out and the throat will remain as it is. It is like taking all the medicines in a medicine bottle without discrimination. That also is only (...?) which is the 24th part of his eight ashtungas. Eight multiplied 24. Now why have chakra catches, also can be understood that when you pay so much attention to it is the (... yoga?) means physical exercises, isn't it? Just to, which I don't know people do it to become slaves and things and all these things. But if your attention is so much in your body only, alone, you are not only your body, you are your body, you are the mind, you are ego, superego, of all the things you are your spirit. There's no attention on your Spirit! That's why heart gets a problem because you don't pay attention to your Spirit, but your body. If you divert your attention too much to your body the spirit is angry; that's why the modern Hatha Yoga (...?), not the real Hatha Yoga, but the so called modern Hatha Yoga, even today in India, in many places, they practise the real Hatha Yoga but there are very few places and everbody's not allowed to enter there. It's very (...?). We do use, we do use Hatha Yoga. But we do not sort of use the way you people do. When the Kundalini rises we know where is the problem is and different asanas are given. To all of them. I teach them which is to be done for each chakra if it is pertaining to the chakra that catches. Q: I've always been given the impression, through reading about spiritual things, that you have to be a very evolved person before you start anything around Kundalini, and that it's actually quite dangerous to arouse Kundalini before you're, you know, you're cleaned up and gotten rid of your karmas and the whole business. Shri Mataji: Very true, it's very difficult to raise the Kundalini, no doubt about it. Nobody should mess about. You have to be a very holy person to do it. Actually these people who have written books do not know a word about it. There's a one big book I read, when they said the Kundalini was in the stomach, I was astonished, I mean how can they write, he's a western man. So dishonest to write such a thing, that Kundalini's in the stomach. He doesn't know a word about it. See and how they write - God only knows from where they learn these things like that. And just to publish, just now, please, will you listen to this answer and listen to things first and tell it, because your mind is just on one question, please keep your mind to what I'm answering alright, now what happens that when the Kundalini rises She rises only under the authority of God, otherwise She does not. Because you are not in India, you will not know why I am raising the Kundalini, But Indians immediately know that what I am, there must be something about me, and they know who I am. Which I am very afraid to tell you. But they immediately know who I am. I don't have to tell them because it's already written, that only such a person can raise the Kundalini, so they know what it is. Because they have seen with their own eyes, the raising of the Kundalini. Alright, there's something special about me. That's how, alright now, what about this gentleman? Q: If the highest and the lowest meet at the place of the Sahasrara, why do you associate Australia with Mooladhara chakra? Shri Mataji: You see Mooladhara chakra is not the lowest, it is the holiest of holy. Is the highest. Is the first to be created. Is the greatest to be worshipped. Is first to be worshipped. If you ask an Indian he will know what it is to G..?) mooladhara chakra - if I have to declare to them that Australia mooladhara chakra they'll give up (Kashi?) and all these places and come down here (laughter). The mooladhara chakra is adorned by Ganesha who is purity, complete purity, he is innocence, he is the highest of highest, nobody can reach Ganesha, even Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha cannot reach. Now he felt that, I respect you because you are born here. Oh, he must have thought, and you are so pure, that's why you are put there. You are the highest of highest, that's why you are put there and nothing can make you impure. You are like a lotus, born in the mud. Q: Can you feel your Kundalini rising more than once, and can you feel the sensations? Shri Mataji: The kundalini is like many ropes, or strings tied together, like a rope, you see, you can say and one rises, then the second one rises. You can, so many people feel it, very much. Hugo told me that, Mother I was near (..?), left vishuddhi because we had done this mantra business, and he was cooking in the kitchen and suddenly he felt a cool breeze and the cool movement of the Kundalini and the left vishuddhi and he said, "I know Mother you are working there." It's like that. (...?) it's always right, once it is awakened. So I did, but you can feel it also by certain things, you can, if you want to, I mean even ( ...?) has freedom to do what they like. The Californian Indians, also, what to do if they are (...?) or folly, how can you help them. Q: Can India be in the land of dharma? Shri Mataji: Are you Indian? A: No, Australian, Mother. Shri Mataji: If I say something will they get angry with me - Australians? A: Yes they would. Shri Mataji: Then you tell me what is there, discretion is better part of valour. A: Discretion Mother. Shri Mataji: India is, India is a, I know what is the next will come after that, that why there is such a problem. India is a spiritual country, no doubt about it. Because the accent is not on material developments but is on the control of the spirit, the control of the attention. From the very childhood, the children are taught how to control the attention. "Where is your attention?", a mother will say. She will not say, "you spoiled the carpet", she will not say this, that's it, accent is not on the carpet. But, where is your attention? And still it's (basic?). So we can say, apart from that, this country has the Kundalini of the Universe. It is the Kundalini, and England is the Heart.So I don't know which one is better, which one is less, everything is so important. But definitely, India is a Yoga Bhoomi, no doubt. But yours is Punya Bhoomi, I said, Punya means where people have earned lots of credits, credits, good credits from God, is a Punya Bhoomi, no doubt about it. They have earned, their conscience is good, Australians have a good conscience. No doubt about it, it's a Punya Bhoomi. Q:(Warren repeats question): There are people in Australia who play straight stock on Shambali consciousness. He's surprised you haven't mentioned it. Shri Mataji: No, I don't know them, I've not met them. But maybe they are doing some sort of a supraconscious stuff. He says it is (Warren: invisible master). No, no, that invisible master is a joke, I tell you it's a big joke. You better be your own master. Because these invisible masters that I have been to some places in America, where they, having invisible masters and all that, they're all possessed, absolutely possessed people. None of them you see, actually one should understand one simple thing, that none of the masters can possess you, can never, they give you complete freedom.. They do their job without possessing you, how can you get connected with them, unless and until you have got Kundalini awakening? You have to be awakened, otherwise how will you be connected, just sitting together like this, and this is all supraconscious activity which you can, listen to one of my lectures where I have described all these things very clearly. You see, it might have started from the seeking only, but while seeking, when they don't find it, they want to break their heads, that's what it is. All these things have started from seeking. (Not big nonsense?) I do not think. I do not want to say even that people who are using sex for Kundalini awakening are also wrong, because I am a Mother, I want to excuse everyone. I said maybe that they might have seen Shri Ganesha sitting there, and his trunk they might have misunderstood as the Kundalini, might be, you see as a Mother I have to make excuses for my children. But, it's a big mistake, not to, a big mistake, but plunging into the nonsense - that is true. Proof of the pudding is in the eating. Anyone you meet who says I've got it, alright, tell me where is my chakra? Where are your chakras? Finished. Where is my Kundalini? Where is your Kundalini? He will tell you, Hugo can tell, Sahaja Yogis can tell. Any great realised soul will say that the Kundalini is there. This is, this is the way you should know. Does he tell you about the Kundalini? Where is the Kundalini? What is the chakra, and when did he say. Actual thing, if someone, supposing there's a doctor, then he should be able to diagnose. He says I'm a doctor of this university, doctor of that university, ultimately you find that he's not even a doctor. Not ever a fisherman. So anybody says anything, you should not believe, but see for yourself - what realised. Unless and until you have got realisation, you cannot understand it. Now what is it? Q: Do you want to keep the body in God or do you want to take mote incarnations? (Warren: I think the language is very much styled by some of his reading, Mother) Shri Mataji: I just don't understand, my child, you are reading too much; better stop it. One should not read so much that you go mad. Actually, really this is too much. That's why Kabir says when I was born, I read Kabir, he said (...?) means by reading too much, even the learned have become stupid. I said how can they become stupid? I could not understand. If you read too much you get so confused, you see. All of the (...?) are in your head, and you are lost. Now, don't be funny. Don't ask about Me. I'm not going to tell you anything about myself. I'll only tell you about you, alright! Better not, because I do not want to fall into any controversies, I do not want to be crucified this time! Alright. That's between you and me. Q: Twenty years ago my father used to tell me that I was not to make myself (...) the first half an hour of this programme was spent criticizing other people. I would have thought... (Warren: He's a little upset at the fact that you're criticizing.) Shri Mataji: Yes, it is necessary. Because I find that here people have suffered a lot. I have to tell about them. You see when a Mother sees (...?) that children are doing and killed by other people She has to tell them. It is a very sad thing, I don't like it. I did not do it for years but I cannot help it now, to tell them. I find somebody like Hugo coming to me with all his backbone broken and monies lost, everything. I have to tell him. I should say "now go and garland the fellow and give all the money you have, also, and give away?" Should I? What should I do? Criticizing is only possible when you see you want to see that what is wrong. Like Christ, people said "now why do you criticize?" They do not criticize. He said the devil is not going to talk against his own home or house. It's true, they are not going to talk against, they are all friends! But they will all fight, you will see, and fall down. Do you know what harm they have done to people? Then you will not say I should not criticize. It takes courage to criticize them. Who will criticize? Will you? A: (...?) Shri Mataji: Why not? A: I'm not going to say anything. Shri Mataji: Will you, will you not criticize, if you find your own child being hurt and bothered by someone? (Warren: it's a pointless discussion, Mother) Shri Mataji: You are pointless really, Useless. If you are such a compassionate person do something good. A: Yes, Mother. Next Question: Did you explain about karma, about letting go of karma? What happens then? Shri Mataji: You see, I was saying that you let it go mentally, or rationally. You see, it happens to you. Your karma gets sucked in by the ego, this chakra is that of Christ, alright and this chakra, when it is opened, He sucks your karmas. Ego is sucked in, is absorbed. And it is neutralised. This is what Christ has done, which nobody has been able to say, (...?) he absorbs it, we say that he died for our sins, (... means what? Still you say, "we are sinners." Now he died for, (...?) "we should suffer",. why should you suffer? You are saints! Why should you suffer? And if anybody tries any ( ?) at you, or makes you suffer, I will not allow. They had a very bad time before, no more. They better not try these tricks, I'll flog them openly, and expose them, all of them, one by one. Whether you like it or not. I have to protect my children. Q: I've heard said that Kundalini's the power of the imagination. What truth is in that? Shri Mataji: You will see for yourself. It is not. Yousee this is the trouble, everybody starts talking about God,about Kundalini, everybody has a right, whether you haveauthority or not. Who's going to ask you? These are likevillagers coming to the city, touching somewhere in theplugs and saying that electricity gives you a shock. Theyare so naive and so stupid and lwnely people. Then they allstart talking like this. I'm telling 1 you the truth, you cansee for yourself. Don't believe these people. what goodhave they done? You see, anybody who says anything, ask"what good have you done?" Why do you talk? Finished. Howmany people you have given realisation. But you will startgiving realisation to others once your Kundalini isawakened. The proof of the pudding is in eating. It is easyto talk. A: Well actually, I read it in a pretty reputable book. (Warren: what was the book?) A: In search of the miraculous. (Warren: the miraculous, who said it's - does it give vibrations this book, that's what you have to check) Shri Mataji: So many reputable people, you'll find them very soon, are absolutely horrible people. You'll find them..24(Warren: it's a pointless discussion, Mother) Shri Mataji: You are pointless really, Useless. If you are such a compassionate person do something good. A: Yes, Mother. Next Question: Did you explain about karma, about letting go of karma? What happens then? Shri Mataji: You see, I was saying that you let it go mentally, or rationally. You see, it happens to you. Your karma gets sucked in by the ego, this chakra is that of Christ, alright and this chakra, when it is opened, He sucks your karmas. Ego is sucked in, is absorbed. And it is neutralised. This is what Christ has done, which nobody has been able to say, (...?) he absorbs it, we say that he died for our sins, (... means what? Still you say, "we are sinners." Now he died for, (...?) "we should suffer",. why should you suffer? You are saints! Why should you suffer? And if anybody tries any ( ?) at you, or makes you suffer, I will not allow. They had a very bad time before, no more. They better not try these tricks, I'll flog them openly, and expose them, all of them, one by one. Whether you like it or not. I have to protect my children. Q: I've heard said that Kundalini's the power of the imagination. What truth is in that? Shri Mataji: You will see for yourself. It is not. Yousee this is the trouble, everybody starts talking about God,about Kundalini, everybody has a right, whether you haveauthority or not. Who's going to ask you? These are likevillagers coming to the city, touching somewhere in theplugs and saying that electricity gives you a shock. Theyare so naive and so stupid and lwnely people. Then they allstart talking like this. I'm telling 1 you the truth, you cansee for yourself. Don't believe these people. what goodhave they done? You see, anybody who says anything, ask"what good have you done?" Why do you talk? Finished. Howmany people you have given realisation. But you will startgiving realisation to others once your Kundalini isawakened. The proof of the pudding is in eating. It is easyto talk. A: Well actually, I read it in a pretty reputable book. (Warren: what was the book?) A: In search of the miraculous. (Warren: the miraculous, who said it's - does it give vibrations this book, that's what you have to check) Shri Mataji: So many reputable people, you'll find them very soon, are absolutely horrible people. You'll find them..25First you get your realisation. Can you tell where is this Kundalini? Finished. Sahaja Yoga doesn't deal with all these-dramas. You have to tell me where is the Kundalini of another person? You have to raise the Kundalini. You should be able to give baptism. You have to see that the cool breeze comes out. That's what Sahaja Yoga is. You might brand yourself, anything. So what? You might brand yourself as Shri Krishna, what to do? You can, you see this is all imagination. This is what imagination is. (Warren: not books, not books) Shri Mataji: You see, Sydney people never ask so many questions and they got realisation - about five hundred of them. Melbourne are more asking questions and less people getting. And this is all imagination, just think of it. Who would like to be in such imaginary powers? (Warren: just finish your question) Shri Mataji: But there is no question, you see people have questions ... A: No, I don't have a question, I just want to say that... Shri Mataji: Question has no meaning, you must get your realisation. Q: Didn't Lord Chaitanya in the 16th century propagate the chanting of Hare Krishna in India? Wasn't he a very great person? Some say he was an incarnation of Krishna himself. Shri Mataji: You see Lord Chaitanya (...?)16th, in the 16th. This, the one who started was this Hare Krishna fellow. I need not say, but you see his ways only. Now he's no more, thank God. But you see his ways. How does he look like? You always used to say he carried .... who was the jockey. His face was so (...?),Did he look like a happy man, by any chance? What makes you think like this, that by chanting God's name you will reach God? On the contrary you'll be arrested. I'll tell you a simple thing. For example, if you have to chant God's name, this is, say the prime ministers name, I don't know who's the prime minister. You go near his house and start chanting his name. They'll all arrest you. What right have you got to chant his name they will ask you? As simple as that. Lord Chaitanya was there, it's alright (...?) this gentleman was saying, actually he is not Lord Chaitanya, so you better (...?) confuse him with that. It's like any saying (...?) "I'm Christ" (...?) is like that, is not to be considered here but what I would say that is simple thing, use your logic.* If you want to take somebody's name you should be at least connected to that person. Supposing there's a telephone and is not connected you go on ringing a person, Shri Krishna, Shri Krishna will you reach there? You have to be connected. It spoils your throat completely, you will see that it's an antidote of smoking, you take it from me is a nervousness in the throat, you see, and some people find an expression for the (...?), it is just an imaginary thing, there is nothing like enjoying something in the imaginations. Take the reality into your hands what Krishna has said, that you are to become the (...?) You have to know it means you have to become realised souls. Even in baptism he said you have to be (ananyabakti?) Now (...?) means you are realised when you are not the other, when you are realised then you do the bhakti, he also said the same thing. Q: But didn't He also say that to realise him you have to have devotion towards him, to realise him you have to worship him? Shri Mataji: And did I say that you should not have devotion? You should have devotion from your heart but not this imaginary thing, "I'm in love with Krishna and the river Ganges and I'm the Yamuna river" or "I'm feeling the picture", all this nonsense, and then "I'm walking and Krishna breaks (...?)", all this imaginary thing you should not do. Just you must have devotion not only for Krishna but, for all these people. Hare Krishna movement, do they tell you what Christ did, did they tell you what Mohammed has done, (why did they cancelled all other?) Enjoyment is not the (...?) you must get the joy, not enjoy. A: NO, but is like, is not even a reward is, just that I am saying that ... truly, I find joy, I don't chant like a (.. ) "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna" Shri Mataji: Why don't you do it, you should if you belong to that cult you should, you dhould wear that horrible sari which is called ( ... ?) and dance with that, that's what you should do like all other sadus, if you don't do it you're a sensible woman but still you have to get your realisaton. A: Yes but you see, Shri Mataji: If you are satisfied with what you are I have nothing to force you, I also cannot promise you realisation my child that is one thing I have to tell you very humbly. A: I agree with you Mataji that we should look at all the great teachers, I'm not closed off, I read all the great teachers. Shri Mataji: That you do, but it's all on the mental level I'm saying you have to go beyond, you have to become. Q: In this age is it possible to get realisation from any other than you or your devotees? Shri Mataji: Of course, you also can give realisation once you are realised, of course, that's what it is and that is what William Blake has written very clearly. About him, he has said that men of God will become prophets and these prophets will have the capacity to make others prophets. This is what it is. You can do it. They, you see, you don't know in Australia, just a minute, just a minute, In Australia I didn't come before. He and his friend, Terence, were there in India, and they are half-baked because I live in the villages you see, I have most of my disciples in the villages-because the city people, the city people (...?) they all want to try this show and circus, so I go to villages, I mean in the villages we don't even have (...?) or anything. (...?) with the whole show that they wanted to run away you see, but I said "No, no, no, stay back, stay back", somehow or other,(...?) they got their realisation, very difficult, this one (...?) He didn't listen to anyone. Jai Rama, Jai Krishna, everything he has done, he's gone through every sort of a myth and then he got his realisation and then he gave realisation to two hundred people these two, so you can do it also. Q: Yes, alright, I agree with that, but it can only come from you or your disciples, or can it come from people other than Sahaja Yogis? Shri Mataji: Could be (Warren: there are great realised souls) Shri Mataji: Yes, there are one or two of them, four or five I should say who 1 know. One of them is ... ?) and I said "Why don't you give realisation to them?" You see these gurus are not so simple like your Mother. He's very difficult personality. One day he told me "if anyone troubles you you had better send him over to me, I'm not going to give realisation to anyone. I gave to one and he turned out to be nothing." I didn't know he was such a difficult thing, one day this gentleman was just troubling me for nothing at all, "Why do you want to give realisation to all of them, they don't deserve it", and all that sort of thing. Always they used to ask me. Questions and trouble me. I said, "(Gotal1) (Maharaja?) calling you" and this man doesn't receive anyone normally, you see, so he was very happy, "Oh he's such a holy man, that (Maharaji?) calling me." Really I don't know again whether to laugh or to cry, the way things happen. After some time he came in such a horrible state, poor thing, his legs were tied up here, and he was dangling them, two people were carrying them. "What happened?", really tears came into my eyes, "What has happened? What has he done out of him." So he came in and said "Mother do anything, but don't send me to (Maharaji?)." And what did he do? He said, "you don't know, he's very cruel." I said "What did you do?" He'said that, "you see, I just told him." I said, "You talk against me?" "Yes, I said, "Mother gives realisation to everyone, everyday, Tom Harry. She doesn't ( ... ?) anyone and this and that. I said, That's all! Yes, and a little more I said something against you I know", But what did you do, you see you said you did not do ( ... ?) They had broken his legs and hands so he goes about on a tiger and he said his tiger came in the night and threw me into a ( ... ?) and I was lying there for three days with the broken legs, nobody bothered about me. For he dropped some rotis, that's a kind of bread weeat in India, that you eat now, lie down there. I was just there in all filth and everything. I was lying there for again three days, he was giving me rotis from there and then of the seventh day he sent some people to carry me out. And he said, "Now you go to that Mataji with your legs round your neck, dangling, and she is the one who is going to fix you up and now don't say a word against her." That's what they are. Another doctor who was troubling me a lot, so I said "why don't you (...?)", this was before this thing happened, you know. So the doctor came. absolutely, in a very run down condition, I said "what happened, he said "that Maharaji asked me to clean a Shiva temple. He said its very nice you'll enjoy it very much. You are cleaning Shiva - this is a very great temple of Shiva, clean it. And everyday I used to walk three miles up the hill, clean the Shiva temple with water, buckets used to carry, and then come back, carry buckets and all that." In one month he became a very thin fellow, just like as if he has been climbing Himalayas. So I asked "why did you do like this? He said "donkeys must be given donkeys' job." Another (Maharaj?), he's a great person, I know of in (...?) I asked him, I said "why don't you go to America." He ran away. In three days he ran away, he said, "they are useless people, why are you giving them realisation? They are good for nothing! They are useless people, they don't deserve it. Let them hang themselves!" And one of the disciples who were in America had given him realisation. He was an Indian, and he started earning money out of Sahaja Yoga. I did not know. When he came to Bombay, people found out from his vibrations that he was very hot, so I asked him "what do you do?" and he showed me the brochure! It was written: "for ordinary vibrations $200, and for special ones $500". 1 was shocked, I said "how can you do it?" He said "now I have to run a hotel for them", and I said "you run a hotel or do whatever you like, in the name of God you cannot run a hotel like (...?), you have to run it for your own sake. It's alright. And you don't pay for their stay, but you cannot make money out of it. You cannot. I know. You can do some other work, what you were doing (...?)"1 was teaching." I said, "now you should teach. You cannot go into enterprises like this in the name of God. (...?) to pay for vibrations. How much did you pay for your realisation? That you are charging?" He got very angry with me. He said, "you must have money otherwise what will you do", and this and that. I said, "see, you can do any business you like on your own but you cannot do it in the name of God and nor organisation like this is going to be raised in the name of God. And I will not have it. I really tell you, forbid it (...?)" 1 was very strict. Got very angry. Till (...?) Maharaj took it. And then he came back about a month or so. He said, "I had a very bad time in this Maharaj". I said "what happened?" "I don't know how he came to know that I have been to you. But I went to his place, I went into the gate and he started throwing stones at me. And I got hurt very badly, so I ran away to the station. Then he said to one man there saying that ah, how dare you come to see me when you have insulted Mother. And you wretched fellow" and all sorts of things.So then, poor man, he said, "for that I'm sorry, but I must see Maharaj" and all that. The third day he allowed him to see and then he said that you go and tell Mother that I will come and pay my respects. (...?) and he sent a very nice tape with all the Sanskrit music that he knew with him. When this fellow came back he telephoned to me, he said "Mother, please forgive me, this has happened." (...?) and he said this thing, He said it on the telephone "I want to meet You." But you'll be surprised he's tried and tried. He went to America, came to London, he never met me. This is what happened. You see, I can understand your questioning is alright, but I can tell you, I asked a gentlman this morning, that before 3000, paid 3000 pounds do you find out why you are paying or did you ask any questions - said nothing. "I just paid." Before these gurus you don't ask any questions. Just go headlong before. It's only with Mother, you take liberties, go on this way or that way. For example, this lady who is Hare Krishna, did she ask any questions to her guru? A: Yes I did Mother. Shri Mataji: Nothing, A: No, I asked many questions, Shri Mataji: That's it. What I'm trying to tell you, that when you have freedom, use it for your good. Use it for your good. No. None of them has said that you should have your realisation, did they say? On the contrary, they said "perform your (...?) here (...?) your money. We have to run an organisation. We have to run this." Did they say that "I'll give you realisation"? Any one of them? And when I say I'm giving you realisation, you want to ask me questions. What does that suggest? What does that suggest, that you have no self estimation Simple thing. If you knew that you are (...?) with it: You'll get it. Now you don't ask me any questions, because your questions is pointless. Are you sent by somebody here? A: I'm very pleased to see you. Shri Mataji: Ah. A: I said I'm pleased to see you. Shri Mataji: Then why do you ask questions, now disturbing everyone. If you really love me, then sit down now and have your realisation. Be a nice boy. Come along. It's too much. A: What is?There's a real difference between and awareness that's free. (Warren: words words words) Shri Mataji: Now you see, disturbed us now, he's going out. Now how many of you want to.... I do not want to answer the questions of the people who are just here to ask questions. Don't want to. All those who are asking questions are going to go away. I know that.

Public Programme, Second Talk. Melbourne (Australia), 6 April 1981. Dr Warren talks about many things which are beyond me to understand. I can't help laughing why people get stuck up on them, I really don't know, because it is so obvious that God cannot be bought, you cannot pay for God, it is absolutely obvious for any intelligent man, it should be obvious. How much did you pay to become a human being from a monkey, what did we do, did we cut our tails or anything to become the monkey? We have become by the grace of God. What can we pay for the grace of God? It is very simple, you cannot, God doesn't understand money. It is human beings who have created money and all the things like economic woes and all the economic problems. God doesn't understand these economics you have made. He doesn't understand! This is all your own doing. Your own projection and complication and you are entangled into it. It is as simple as that. And when you see these people who live on other people's money, I call it OPM, are parasites. You won't live on other people's money, you, any one of you. So they do not have even a simple self respect. Not only that, but these parasites are cunning. It is so obvious, so very obvious, that we like to be fooled. The more cunning the befoolers, the better we are. I went to Calcutta once for a program and I had many programs, but one of them was in a very posh place as they call it, in a hotel they had the program. I said this hotel is an irrelevancy. These people will not be interested in Sahaja Yoga. They are too rich. All over the world very rich people will never understand, they want somebody who will take money from them, and they can show off their money. And we had a program and there were two halls. I told them take a very small one because I know them too well, and the bigger hall was occupied by another fellow who had some sort of a show on, stuff, and they were amazed that, except for two people, most of them who came inside went to his program and after eight days he was arrested in Poona for robbing people. But all of them went to his program and not to mine. When it was written articles about him and all those things and he looked so dishonest from his own photographs of, if you could see him, he was so dishonest to look at and people could not see that it was so simple to see that. See, so that shows you have lost every sensitivity to know what is plastic and what is real. It makes me laugh sometimes, when the other day in the aeroplane they were discussing these things and they were telling me most seriously how much he was tortured by another group and they took three thousand pounds just to get some horrible mantra which has no meaning and they worked very hard for days together and she broke his back and they broke every part of his bone in his backbone area, all sorts of things that he did and he became so nervous, a recluse, they even became frightened of a garlic, if they see a garlic, I mean after getting realisation you have to become a person who is absolutely powerful and in control of yourself but not aggressive and not to be such, become cowardly recluses and he told me all these things and I did not know what to do because it was such a description. They don't know whether to laugh or to cry really because this thing behind it is all hocus pocus absolutely hocus pocus, I mean this is absolutely absurd to say that you fly, see the light and all this nonsense, and on top of that there is the suffering of a person, a person who is a genuine seeker, a seeker, who is seeker. He is a man of god and he being tortured like this makes him so unhappy. I just don't know what to say about the whole thing, things that are happening. You have to wake up to your/self-esteem and know that you are created human beings for a special thing, and not to be vamoosed and cheated by these horrible fake people. One has to understand this and the innate nature of God to understand what will happen to you as realised souls, if you become abnormal and freaky then it is not that you have got your realisation, on the contrary a person who is realised becomes extrmely normal, is the most normal person. Apart from these things there are some diseases built within us which make us extremely stupid. Really built in I should say, because we have come from matter, we are gross, our origin has been gross, we came from matter and we grew up to see that there is something beyond the matter that is the spirit and we are the spirit, but we get dominated by this matter, we really get dominated by matter, all through in our ventures, for example, if you are sitting in a chair, and you can't make a chair out of some matter, you cannot sit on the ground, you have formed the habit, the habit of matter, matter starts growing on you, you become such a slave, such a slave of matter that you cannot get over it, any matter that you start using, for example if you start using a bath, then you can't do without a bath, you use electricity which is a material form, if it fails everything goes out, you cannot do without it. So matter is all the time trying to overpower the spirit, but the beauty is, through your evolution, you evolve to a stage where you are human being and you start seeing that matter cannot dominate your spirit. This should be the self estimation, there should be the understanding that you are the spirit and not the matter. When you see this simple point then you understand that you cannot purchase God. Then also another point, that one understands that it is not the way, that materially you see, somebody say somebody you should but spiritually, if he does say something spiritual then you should accept for example seeing the light, if they say you see the light, to see the light I have to be away from the light, do you see the point? You have to be the light. So it is a very simple thing, if you understand it is commonsense, that if you have to be the light, then you have to be inside the light, part and parcel of the light. But to see the light you have to go further. Actually from this distance I can't see the light, if I really have to see the light I have to go much further to see this light. All these things that they are copying and telling you is such a camouflage and they have been very good at befooling you. It is impossible to convince people who want to be befooled. It is impossible. It is easy to befool them because they are anxious to be befooled. Alright, but those who want to really be alive, then they should get it, then their attitude is very different. Then they should like to go and see what these disciples have got, these people who have paid so much money, that they been with people for fifteen and twenty years, go and see them, what have they got? If they say, "alright, I am feeling very much better, and happy", you look at the face and know they are not. Supposing they say "I feel relaxed", so what? What is so great about feeling relaxed, so called relaxation, you can feel relaxed even in some company you might feel relaxed, so what? What is so great, is that something God's work? Just to relax you? Some people say "I feel better", this might be ego pampering. But what powers did you get yourself? If you become the spirit then you have to have powers of the spirit flowing through you, isn't it? It should be common thing, logical conclusion. 'What is the power, what have I got from that? They have taken all my purse, my money. thousands of pounds have gone to him, what did I get from him? "We should have an understanding, but this nobody asks because there is a big mafia in all these organisations, you are not supposed to ask questions, you are not supposed to talk. You are put in different compartments, there is a big secret going on, I you tell the vidya they just laugh, nobody knows the meaning of the words, are so stupid. Some of the words of the mantras mean this finger, some of the words mean scorpion, some of them mean the serpent, all kinds of things, and some of them means the silence. In a ridiculous way these people have befooled you. I think it is a spite they have, or is it a spite of the satanic for the divine people who have come on this earth to seek God? It is that attack of these negative people who are trying to divide you completely, ruin your nature on this earth, you have to be aware of that. You are very vulnerable because you are saints, you are born vulnerable because you have no self esteem, you treat yourselves so cheaply. You do not judge what lions' den you are entering into and you can be so badly hurt, with all your sensitivity, with all that, you do not give a second to think that even if there are thousands of them going before I am going there I must find out what kind of a nonsense is going on. If you go there as an ordinary visitor, you will immediately find out that this is a fake and a false one, you have been warned in the bible there will be fakes and false people coming on this earth. Now there are another type of people also, having covered the chakras later, we will learn how to avoid, who are bound by futuristic idea, as he said about Krishna, of giving very subtle forms of this. But we must see what it is doing, like Church of England, can you imagine, Church of English owns the whole of Soho. And the question was raised, "how can you own Soho, where all the prostitutes are earning their living?" And the answer came in that Christ looked after Mary Magdalene, who was a prostitute, you can see, and the people accepted this answer. Then the whole thing with the ritual starts, "come along here and sit down, and bring the child and we will baptise it." It's a joke, it's a very big joke. Baptism is a living process, it's a living happening. Did Christ baptise anyone himself? Did He put His hand on anybody's head and say "you are baptised by me"? Ask the question, did He really? Then how are these people doing it? They are taking Christ in their hand as if they found him somewhere in the storm somewhere. What right have they got to say they are baptising? It is a living force of God which resides within you and says, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames." Let them explain this quality. Let them say, "He is our Father who art in Heaven", what does that mean to you? For that you have to read Bible. What was Christ? Who is Me? (...?) Why he came on this earth? Really, what was His purpose? There is nothing there. Just some few people who were not realised saw him and noted down, finished. How can that become such an authority for anyone who was an observer, that you are writing. It's very deep, it is because it is so narrow that it is extremely deep. You have to be right in it to see. For example, you are standing on a well which is very narrow, but just hardly you can see anything inside, you can just see something in the middle. To see the complete vision of that well you have to go in and see the narrower side, and that we are not able to do because Bible is the last word. Now I could say that any other persons would come and say, "now what is the authority of Bible, now what authority is there, if you say Christ is the authority of Bible." Take it like that, Christ never wrote Bible, He never wrote a word, so you are correct. Could be some journalist who wrote about Him, could be anything absurd. If they do say Gita, ask them "who wrote Gita?" Krishna never wrote Gita, never, did he write it? So what is the authority of it. Gita has no authority as such, how can you say it was written by Krishna? He had nothing to do with it. Anybody, supposing you' see me today and you write about me, you can write anything, anything you feel, like a journalist came just to sort of find fault with me. She was paid by some fake guru and she wrote that I chewed betel nut, which I have never eaten all my life I wish that I could because I think there are some people, but I never eat and she said she saw me eat betel nut and she never has. If she had written bible about me it would have been very funny than that is not the authority either. Moreover they did not have tape recorders to tape anybody's lectures or anything, even the photgrapher was not there, that is today all these things are there, so what is the authority? This is the problem with us that we accept certain things as an authority because we think we can control people by this misappropriation of authority to ourselves. There have been people who have said "I am the Christ". I said "alright" I said, "alright,walk on the water"(....) no chance because Christ could walk on the water because he was Omkara Himself. Omkara he can walk because he has no body as such he can walk on the water,(...) alright, "walk on the water" ,first step he can take on the water, the second he will go down. All such hocus pocus will be found out. if -somebody says "if you give me money I will make you fly", let him go off this leaning tower of Pisa what it is meant for, after all it must be used sometimes, and throw him down, see how far he goes with flight. Have a nice show for it. That how you can find out these people whether they have it or not. So this is how I find in this country, also is in a very bad state from these people who are here to spoil your chances of realisation. And it is very difficult to give realisation to people who have been to these people, have been initiated, have been really spoiled in their Kundalini. I have worked day in and day out to neutralise it, I have been working. For the interest in your Self can only come when you have such a thing that is very important and that is theyou about Visshudhi. The Visshudhi is the centre placed at the back of the backbone here which has given to human beings a speciality which separates him from animals, that he raises his head up. By raising his head upward he has been able to create a new dimension for himself. And this new dimension is a dimension by which he creates ego within himself. Before becoming a human being your brain was flat and all coverd with the super ego. Animal like dogs, or you can say horses, they have the super ego. I hope you can see all of you before becoming a human being, and when you become human beings a locking system took place by which you started developing, or you can say a twisting system took place by which you started developing our action. For example an animal does not know how to make a chair out of wood, an action physically, at the most it might carry this chair you have made, put it there and let you sit on that. It can take the chair a man has made and sit on that, but he cannot make anything for himself. Maybe he can weave for himself a small little nest or something like that at the most. So you with your action can overpower the matter. You have been able to achieve great heights in overpowering all the five elements and by using them as power, for example, electricity, magnetism, sound, (everything?), ether. But animals when they come in contact with human beings they also can become conditioned as far as their understanding of relationship with human beings is concerned, but it is not that they could be made to act on to some matter, and this action, physical action has given a by-product which is called as ego. This is the beginning. Then the second action is the thinking. The animals don't think of the future, he doesn't have any insurances. Animals are not bothered about--insurance, of what will happen to my great grandchildren when I die, what part of my house will be going to which children, he is not bothered about all these things and he does not-even have such a sense of possession as human beings has, so it happens that we start developing our ego when we start planning for the future, thinking of the future, going into the future and also when we use our physical being to create something or any physical work or aggress something. If any animal goes and attacks a cow or something, say a tiger, and brings it home for his family, he is not a cow, he is not egoistically like human beings are. Like human beings, if they earn about five hundred dollars they become very egoistical, they think they have earned such a lot of money and they have done so much that they have earned the right to dominate the wife and vice versa. But an animal doesn't think he has the right to dominate, for whatever he does is in the nature of his own personality, he doesn't do it as the idea that he has to do this and he is very important and he doesn't have this ego, so he does not even think that this is karmas and he has to pay for it and he has done something wrong and go to a Brahman and pay a lot of money "because I have done such a thing", these ideas do not come into the head of an animal because he is not into that dimension. A new dimension of karma which human beings are because of this situation, because of ego, if you feel you have done that the Mother will come, if you had no ego you would never have felt that. These two things are at this point and you should see very clearly (...) It should start from there and pull down from there, actually it should start from these two points, animals start developing But you cannot put your attention inside, that's imposible. I cannot tell you just to put your attention inside, some happening has to take place within you. Supposing something is (....) false then your attention goes there isn't it? In the same way when your Kundlini awakening takes place, then your attention goes through that which is awakened there and you just start seeing the way, or, you can say, feeling the way, but it is such a quick thing, a split of a second, that sometimes you miss everything except that you see the cool breeze and start feeling it. Sometimes you do start feeling it, and it's here, and here, and so many people feel that it has come up now, and its throbbing, now its alright, it has started. It depends on what sort of runway you have, if the runway is horrid, then you go on feeling all the bumps. Sometimes the runways are so badly spoiled that it takes months for the Kundalini to rise, but now I think in Sahaja Yoga we have developed such methods and techniques, such permuations and combinations, that now it is much easier to raise the Kundalini than it was, say, ten years back. Then I had twenty disciples with whom I worked for two years to give them realisation. In London I had six disciples for four years working to give them realisation. There are now nearly a thousand in UK and in Sydney we have lots of them also. And in India also we have thousands. And they just get it in a second, but it is a different thing now because it has evolved so well. But this happening is a living happening, this you can't jump, take off your clothes, stand on your head, wear some badges, wear some clothes, but you can't make the Kundalini rise unless you see the pulsation at the triangular bone, you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini, until you feel the pulsation of the Kundalini and see the pulsation, you can see the rising of the kundalini. You can see. You can also feel the cool breeze rising, you can also feel with a stethoscope the sound, lap lap lap lap coming up to here which Kabir has very clearly said (....) coming up to the apex of yourhead. Anahat is the thump of your heart, and that is how we feel the Kundalini and then it breaks through and then you feel it on your fingers, actually feel it, it is an actualisation of the experience. This is what the baptism is. When Warren has said that we have never had our real baptism, do not be angry with him. Because it is a fact, you have not got your realisation. Christ has said you have to be born again, you understand He has said it, so now they are saying we are born again, another form of self certification. First it was a baptism, now there is another thing started, we are born again. Now when they come and us, these people they change from one to another. How is it that Christ, that how is it that through Christ, who has said so, and you will see that only through Sahaja Yoga, ultimately you will pass through the gate of Christ only, to get to the Kingdom of God. It is a fact, what He said, and He never told lies. He told the complete truth, and nothing but the truth. But the way you interpret it, the way you understand it, is so narrowish, that you do not want to accept it. This is the gate where our start, and this is the greatest thing we have done. Now this Visshudi chakra is the centre of Shri Krishna. If I say this is the centre of Shri Krishna you may start doubting me. You may doubt mealso, it is not proper, with Indians because they know of this centre, they know where Shri Krishna resides. They know there are sixteen petals for this and they know he is called as the complete incarnation of the sixteen petals, all this they know, I do not have to bother with it. And the centre here of Christ is actually bit confusing because it is called as Mahavishnu. Not as Christ, but as Mahavishnu, and he is called as Bodha not as Buddha, but Bodha, it is a difference of language. In one of my lectures on Christ, you will find out what is his origin, why He was called Jesus, why He was called Christ and what is the origin of these things, why He arrived, who was His mother and everything you will find out from that lecture. It is better that you go through that lecture and see for yourself. We have lots of these tapes already in Sydney and we can send it over to you and you can look at it from that angle because in this small little time I cannot elaborate talk about Krishna, and about Christ, but the only thing I have to tell you is there is a very great relationship between both of them, and Christ is the word that comes from the word, Chrinsa, and Chis in India is means for agriculture and Chrisna and Chrisi also is the word for-agriculture and agriculture means the one where you sow, and they are the sowers of the seed. They are sowing the seed in the fields. So the sowing of the seed is done by Shri Krishna, and the Gita he is described is also another very interesting thing about Shri Krishna which they have very much confused. Krishna never wrote Gita, first of all, and it was never written by an absolute Brahmin or anything who was a born brahmin, it was written by the illegitimate child of a fisherman. How can he write, a man like that, that you are born as a Brahmin you have to be born as a Brahmin what he was meaning, then you have the aptitude for. it, that means you are a seeker of God, all the seekers of God are Brahmins and all the seekers of power are Shachtihis, and seekers of money are payshics, which means the attitude, but Hindus as usual have made like all others, have made a mess out of these, made a Mess out of all their philosophers. According to them if you are born a Brahmin, even if you are born the greatest crook in the world, you are a Brahmin. And even if you are a person who is a very highly evolved person, then if you are not born in a Brahmin family, then you are good for nothing. This caste system is such a horrible thing in India, it has no explanation at all in the scriptures because it is written that in everyone resides the spirit, the spirit is in everyone of you, how many have mastered it? You can have those aptitudes, but as usual, people have escapes for everything, on this point that everybody has the spirit within them. Gita has described it, that everyone has the spirit, but one has to know when he says that the spirit within them that every human being has the spirit within them, not the devils. Because Krishna himself has killed so many devils in his lifetime, because one of the powers is sobhandana, means to kill so many devil on this principle that there is spirit in everyone, why did he kill so many devils? The devils do not have spirit. There are devils, and devils and devils, for example say, Hitler if he comes to ask for a realisation, do you think he can get it and should get it? His greatest reward would be for all his lives to come. Question from audience: how can you be sure he wasn't Shri Krishna casting out devils? Shri Mataji: For that you must get your realisation. That's all, you see, when you reach Nirvikalpa then you become the absolute. For example I'll tell you, when you get your realisation, you get your vibrations, alright? And with these vibrations you can find out what is true and what is not true. For example we had some Brahmins at one of the programs I had first arranged, and I didn't know they had a big fight with the organisers and they said, "She is not a Brahmin, so how can she hold a program here", or something like that. And they were sitting in the front of the hall and I said, "who is Brahmin among you, who thinks he is a Brahmin, just come forward", so five or six of them came and sat, so I said to them, "put your hand like that" and they started shaking their hands, and they got frightened. I said, "why are you shaking", and they said, "because we are Brahmins, and You are the power." And I said, see to your neighbours, "are they also shaking?" And they said they be also shaking, they be also Brahmins. I said, "see now who are they", and they said they were some people who had come from an lunatic asylum. He said only two people there are shaking, I said "will you believe what you have seen, that when you thought you were Brahmins, you are mad too to believe such a thing". Now to believe that Hitler was also good, is a typical sign of escaping, to like horrible things, you see, just to have an idea that everything is fine, is the best place for jumping into the devils' hand. And that is what is happening to people, they never doubted anyone. And I don't know where you people get these ideas about everybody's life, even Christ, he too a (...) in his hand and He was whipping them all. He was love and compassion, no doubt, but He did whip them, and He also said "don't throw pearls before the swines", was true, His compassion had a special purpose which I will tell you just now, why He got himself crucified, which is a very important thing, but when we just say that everything is fine, everything is good, the reason is we do not want to face the reality. Because, maybe we cannot understand that there could be anything bad, but after realisation, you will discover that yourself there are problems, is something wrong, even in the best there are problems you have not seen and faced. Perhaps there are problems in you which you have not wanted to see in others but after realisation you get out of yourself. Like this sari I am wearing, if I am not identified with it, I see a spot I would like to clean, I will have to deal with, I see and I deal with it, I am not saying it is a good thing to have a spot, but supposing I am identified, I say, "oh, there's nothing wrong, absolutely normal". There are among these gurus, not one, but so many these days, that you have not at all any idea, if you had you would not have allowed. Now whatever happens to us in our consciousness, is only limited to our human awareness, and whatever we see in our human awareness, like at the time Shri Krishna came, we got our human awareness, in that we got only two points, one is our super ego, which is our conditioning, and another is our ego, which we have achieved at a rate that we have done this, I am that, I am this, I like that, you like this. So we are only two things, either super ego, or ego. We wobble it. The third thing which should be in us, is our spirit in the heart. And for that the point is the central point by which we balance, between these two, the desire and the action. We've got a balancing in the centre, by understanding what is the best. For example a person drinks a lot, he kills himself by drinking. He suddenly tells himself he knows it is bad, that his father killed himself by drinking, so he takes a life which is very much more in moderation. You start learning by so many experiences, right and wrong, how to keep in the centre, that's what you can learn with human awarenes, if you can only learn how to keep in the centre. Now, you have to go beyond human awareness to be the awareness of the spirit, and when you become the awareness of the spirit, should become that you should ask for, when you become that the whole picture will be before you. Because you can feel it yourself, and understand what is right and what is wrong. On your vibratory awareness, which is a new dimension. Even children. Take ten children who are realised souls. If you ask them what is the matter with another person, then immediately they will raise the same finger and say this is the matter. If you ask the person "have you got a cold or bronchitis or something", and he will say, "yes". If this hand shows the whole left side, then it means he suffering from emotional trouble. You do not know anything about your chakras at all before realisation. One must accept what it is, that is nothing wrong, it is only your ego which stops now listen. Then once you get your realisation you start feeling your different centres, you start feeling it inside you and you start feeling the centres of others. Anyone who wants to know if Hitler was or not only has to ask the question and you can feel it, and can't even bear it, horrible vibrations you get from him. Once some Sahaja Yogis were asking about some devilish people and got actual blisters, specially with this Hitler, actual blisters, they got, actual blisters. After realisation you get real actual self consciousness because you become the spirit within the heart. The spirit resides in the heart but this is the base of its' seat. There are seven seats in the head, and the seat of the spirit is here. when the Kundalini goes, it is just a small thread of Kundalini rises because there are lots of problems and a very small thread through the Brahma nadi in the very centre -most channel, rise and opens and when it opens the grace comes to you, and when the grace comes down you get completely relaxed, and it falls in either side of the ida and pingala nadi, the sympathetic nervous system manifesting our left and right sympathetic nervous system. By this you first feel relaxed, thoughtless, and when it is little bit established you start feeling the cool breeze, because your spirit has started manifesting, and you just feel a cool breeze, like a wind coming. First you may feel a bit tingling, giddy, heat, all that going round, sometimes people a little bit shake, also because the nerves are not properly built up, if they do not have the strength to bear it, then it sometimes happens that you shake, doesn't matter. It takes some time to work in some people, in some people it doesn't take time at all. It is the quality of the central path of your Sushumna that is important. if it is very simple, there is no problems, then the Kundalini takes no time She is anxiously waiting, She is your mother, She is the desire, the pure desire within you to become one with the spirit. Unless and until you achieve it, whatever you may try, you can do anything you like, you spoil your Sushumna, but you have to get it because otherwise your seeking will not cure, but you have to reach the place where you can say "I have found it." If you have not found the spirit, you will never be happy with anything sort of thing you do. Anything you do., Be kind to yourself. Be gracious to yourself and get your realisation. This is the simple thing as a Mother I would like to tell you.There is nothing to be done except by getting your realisation. But if you are an adamant person, and if you are employed by some of the false gurus, like some of the poor people who come here who have been to false gurus, you cannot get realisation. I am sorry if you cannot get it, I cannot help you. But if you are coming here by yourself and you want to have it, if you do not have the desire for it you will not get it, at any cost.You are not being forced to do it, your freedom is completely respected. If your freedom is not respected, how are you going to enjoy it, the freedom of your spirit? So it is completely in your hands, be free and accept, whether you get realisation or not. Now this chakra of Visshudi is very important because there are sixteen sub plexes which are looked after, for example ear, nose, throat, all these things are looked after by this centre of Shri Krishna, and this centre has got two sides, one is the left, and one is the right, I have to talk about it because people in the West somehow suffer from the left visshudi, one of the main reasons is the heavy smoking, right is affected by the smoking, but later on it goes to the left also. But more important, you people have developed a theory, I don't know how, that you have to be guilty for everything. Maybe it is from your childhood, your mother said don't do this, don't do that, don't spoil the carpet, maybe your confessions in the churches, I don't know what to blame but it is a very good indulgence for people to sit down and think "oh I shouldent have done this I should not have done that", criticising yourself. This is also a very good escape of egoistical people. They are egoistical, they dominate others, then they sit down and weep on their left visshudi. This left visshudi is such a dangerous place, that it creates problems of the worst nature in human beings. For example, if you have any cancerous growth in you and if you have left visshudi, it is going to be difficult to cure. Because the escape of the Kundalini has to be through the visshudi chakra, and the escape of all these tensions of the cancer. And if you have this kind of a bad habit of sitting down and indulging into this kind of a nonsensical thing, like sitting down like Lord Byron and reading some tragedy and making some tragedy out of it, it is a drama! What is there to be tragic about? What is wrong with you? You are very rich people, you have everything, don't you very say count your blessings one by one? How many blessings have you got? You are specially blessed in this Australia, I think you are specially blessed. But you want to show that you are extremely miserable. The worst at this are the French I should say. "Mother you shouldFor when I went to France, they said, not say you are a happy person because they will think you are not sensitive", I said, "Really?", for the French are very sensitive people, to what? Not to holiness, not to purity, they are sensitive to God knows what. Ten feet you walk along the road and find a prostitute standing on the road, walk another ten feet find alcoholics lying in the street, are these sensitive people? Sensitive to their spirit? What are they sensitive to? Is this a very good thing that in the night you drink a lot, sleep with ten women and in the morning they feel guilty. Who asked them to go into this kind of a life and then sit down and cry and say "I feel so guilty, I have done so wrong and so forth." That is why I have to talk about this centre, is very important also because the centre of the sister of Shri Khrishna, which is so very important, of Shri Vishnumaya. The relationship between brother and sister is absolutely God given, in all relationships. For us Indians we do not have this problem, really we don't. I tried to explain it. The other day we had a very interesting talk, because two Indians have come with me, very great Sahaja Yogis they are, they said "Mother, why did you say that girl cannot hold the hand of a girl?" I said, "you won't understand."They said, "no, no, we would like to, does that mean to say we should close our girls' schools in India? I mean for a girl to hold the hand of a girl, it is much better." I said "this is rather difficult for you to understand." They said, "if a girl holds the hand of a man is that a holier relationship?" Is absurd. They think will it be holy to hold the hand of a man, it won't. They value the holy relationships. To this holy relationship is gone, it is the sole power of the brain. Like, if you go and see the zoo. If there is a wombat, it behaves like a wombat, if there is a monkey, it behaves like a monkey, if there is a tiger, it behaves like a tiger, but a human being if you put him in the zoo, you will see, he will eat up all the foods, he will cut down all the trees, he will go to all the depths of it, he will break his nose, he will lose his ears, he will spoil it all, he cannot sit quiet. You give him a tree, he will eat the fruits, he will have the bark inside himself, he will have the roots inside himself, he is so irresponsible, it is so horrid the way this brain is moving, all the time with this relationship, that relationship of all the types, he cannot sit quiet. You see when he is sitting for five minutes he thinks it is a jail, it is so boring, he must always be doing something important. And what is the important thing he does? Is to really ruin himself. He must go to a pub, he must go to a friend, he must go somewhere he will really ruin himself for his sense of holiness and all his sense of sanity. That's why we have no sense of sisterliness, the relationship of a sister. This is so much missing that to talk about it in England was impossible, because they said this is a Victorian or a Georgian or everything moves according to whatever moves that horrible England to the kings that worked so hard to ruin it.The kings themselves were such horrible things, I don't know how they managed to stay. So you are branded a Georgian or a this or a that, whatever you say, they cannot see the integration of anything, after one second they say, this is absolutely Victorian, so I say alright, doesn't matter, what is good, I would like to know. They said to be Victorian everything has to be condemned, there has to be something good about it also? This is how the whole outlook of the people always trying to brand you, what about yourself? What brand are you to give to yourself? That's the point nobody wants to see. What brand am I? What is my brand? 1 am no brand. That's what you are. Sometimes I feel so many people the way they think they have no sense, like in the night like nocturnal animals they do that and that, and that is how they have broken themselves like mad, for what? For what? Be in the centre. You must just wait for something to happen, you are. For what? You just have to wait, it is going to happen, this is your own, you are the people who are searching the soul, for which it is all created, the whole seed is there, you just have to get it, for why are you breaking everything that God has given you, it is such a beautiful being he has created, you are the most beautiful one, have you not seen when you go to the zoo all the animals are looking at you?It is a better bet they are looking forward, what have you got to give to them, I don't know. But once you have your realisation you will know the meaning of your being, you will know what you are. This is what one has to establish. We have really done lots of wrongs to ourselves by not understanding really, self realisation. one must know that you are the diamonds, that you are the saints, that you have the rights to the kingdom of God, you are specially made for this purpose, like being the people who are, you have climbed up there, instead of that you are lost into your egos and super egos and frankly what you are doing is destroying all your chances of your ascent which is so easily to be done. It is such a living process which is going to work out, it is not going to harm you in any way it is for you only, it is all there, it is Sahaja, it is within you, it is spontaneous, and it is going to work out, only thing you must know you must not treat yourself so shabbily and with such hatred towards yourself. It is no good to have such a low opinion towards yourself. This is the left side, the right side of course is the people who talk big, the people who say, like politicians, who talk down people, when they speak they just dominate and by their speech they control you. This centre, right side people have who are hot tempered, who lose their tempers and frighten people with their tempers and say such horrible things and people are so frightened just to keep them quiet they manage somehow. This type of people have the right vissudhi and if they have the colds it is a balance come to them, and if they talk too much they have the problem of trying to speak and some people lose their voices if they talk too much because the balance comes into them.Now the centre one is of Shri Khrishna. Shri Krishna is the one who creates the witness in us, he is the one who refuted all kinds of formal ritualistic things in religion. But he didn't become a hippie, that's one thing one should understand, he didn't go to another extreme. You see when he said that all these junks and formal things that are there, he didn't say that you take to drugs and other nonsensical forms of things, he said that if you have to get over this, you have to see it as a drama, the whole thing is a joke going on, it is a drama with life, but for that you have to become, it is not a question of achieving it with rational thinking, you have to go beyond your mind to achieve it, and that going beyond is done by your Kundalini. Now that he did not do it does not mean he was there, he was very much there, like a painting you have first the background, then you have another colour, then you have another colour, then you have a third colour, now the fourth colour, and now the time has come for the whole picture to be there. Everybody has played his part, a very important part in our evolution, everyone is needed, among you may be many who is having trouble with his vissudhi, especially Hari Rama Hari Krishna people, they suffer mostly from throat cancer. Because they go against Shri Krishna, by taking his name so vainly on Oxford street, they would stand with those things they get in the market, then they attach it here, and go on dancing. Making mockery out of Shri Krishna. Apart from that they take the name of Shri Khrishna unauthorised. Who has authorised them to take the name of Shri Krishna? They spoil this chakra completely because if you take the mantra this way you spoil the left visshudi really badly.All those who have been given mantras have spoiled their left visshudi, because these mantras are not like one mantra to somebody. I mean, are we only one chakra, or part of a chakra? And that too like Tinga they say, and all these things, where are they within us? They ran short of the names I would say, so they started getting hold of any names, or they were sinister giving such horrible names to you. This left visshudi you catch so badly. Most people who took these mantras when they speak their lower jaw will be like this, they have difficulty to talk. They cannot talk properly. This is one of the things you will find they have pain in the left hand side at the back, this is the beginning of it. Anything mantra that has been given to you has to have logic. It is a big sign, it is not something nonsensical, you come here, I give you a card, finish. It is a big science, you see how many deities are there. You must know where the problem is, it is like the Kundalini is rising here, a very big power, and now that here is an obstruction, and you want to get rid of that obstruction, then you say again the password, and you go on again, but if the Kundalini has not started, what is the use of saying a mantra? What is the use of having a mantra? If the Kundalini is staying down there, and you are saying a mantra about a chakra and it would be something like this, "that I am frozen in England" and saying a password for a bridge here. This is absurd. Because you are so naive about it, our Indian women think they are so very westernised and sophisticated, they also are equally naive, they don't want to know anything about the scriptures, they are not half witted or anything, they do not know anything about Lord Krishna, the mantra has to be connected with your development in your Kundalini. Not only that, but it should relate to the movement in your Kundalini. It should be given by a person who is a realised soul. Jagrut, awakened. The mantra has to be awakened. And that you will find in Sahaja Yoga is such a simple thing.For example, the Kundalini is stopping at this point, then what is the mantra for this point, Lord's prayer, or "I forgive", to make it shorter. That is the weapon Christ has given us of forgiveness, at this point, which stops your thinking. If any Dick, Tom and Harry cannot do it, you have to have realisation for it, and then because the Kundalini has reached there, and is stopping there you have to say alright, this is Lord's Prayer, you say Lord's Prayer. what is the mantra over here? It is Allah Akbar, you put these fingers here, and say "Allah Akbar" three times, if you don't want to do sixteen. But you have to be a realised soul, or the one who says to do it has to be a realised soul. It is an authority from God, not some theological college. It is a mockery, do you get knowledge of God from a theological college? I mean you must enter the Kingdom of God to know what He is, what He is like, what is His whole vidya, His knowledge. You will find that His knowledge is very different from the knowledge you have. Have you ever known that this is the visshudhi chakra?You have not known this before, it is not written. Some things had to be just told by Me also, because this was left for Me to be told. Now this chakra, the visshudi chakra, gives you the witness that Lord Krishna has described that you become the (...?) I would like you also to listen to the tape on Shri Krishna which is very good, recently I spoke about him in a very detailed manner. You can have all these tapes brought down to Melbourne, and listen to them, but listening to them only is of no use if you start living again in a funny way. I do not want you to make a pickle out of me as you have pickled out others. Put it into practice. Because when I spoke in America they were all taping me down, and everybody said "Mother you should not allow them to tape because sitting there are writers and this and that and they will use your knowledge and spread the, and I said "what can I do?, after all the Kundalini I have to awaken and I said "let them do it, I will be very happy to sit down if they can do it, let them do it I would be very happy." Anybody who says why should it be you, I will be very happy to settle down, because I gain nothing, what do I gain? For anybody who is willing to do it, I will be very happy to retire, absolutely. Because by God's grace I am a married woman, very happily married, I have my own children, I have grand children, why should I bother my head, travelling around like this? Yesterday in Sydney, today here in Melbourne, then again to Sydney, then to India, why should I do this? For what? Only because I love, I know this is my mission, I know I have to do it, this is my job, but if anybody else can do it I will be very happy for them to do it.Now when it comes to this awakening, and all that, it is the thing that happens to you, it is the thing that moves within you, and you have to feel the movement, it is not a blind game where you throw the money into the fountain and say "now I am going to enter into the marriage." You can do what you like. Somebody says jump, do this and so that. Nothing. Every bit is logical. First your Kundalini must arise, if it does not I cannot give you a certificate, nobody can give you a certificate, It is nothing like this. So in America when I went and they all had tape recorders, something bad has come out of it, it is called Born Again. All these things have come from there, only from my lectures. Because I am told when the Christians, when they called me, thinking they'd be Christians in the churches they called me bonafide because I wasn't baptised according to them, so I should be baptised by these people so I would be alright, I was bonafide. They called me in the church, and they also collected a collection for me, very interesting. But best part of it, some of them caught up as they were, I say you have to be born again. Born again, so they have got a college called Born Again, finish. It is very difficult with these mad people, anything you tell them they make a cult out of. Anything you do they want to pickle, it is such a difficult thing. They don't want to take to reality, they want to keep their egos everywhere asserting by which they pluck out all that is living and make it dead, ugly and say "this is mine, this is mine." Absurd. But-this is what happened to us. Now about Christ, I think they just listened to Christ, they said (...) they showed what Krishna has said in his lifetime, that the spirit doesn't die, it cannot be killed, it cannot be lowered, it has to rise, what ever, and it rises. Whatever you may try, it is eternal, that is what Christ has proved by His resurrection. But by His resurrection He has achieved a great, which the Jews cannot know and the Christians have not carried the message because they also do not know. But the greatest thing He has done, to our awareness is, that if you pass through that centre your karmas are sucked, your sins are forgiven.This is the beauty He has created within us, by which our egos are sucked in, He sucks in our ego, He is the sucker of our ego. And all the Christian nations are the greatest ego orientated people. Very difficult to talk to them. First thing they will do is to box your nose. If not crucify you. They are extremely aggressive people, extremely aggressive and very ignorant. They are so naive, so naive, In India it is not so difficult to talk to them because they know what is knowledge. I mean they know what is Kundalini, they know. They know what is the rising of the Kundalili, they know who can do this, it is not difficult to talk to them, because the people are so naive, in spiritual life, and then they are so ego orientated, despite the fact that Christ is the one who is the sucker of your ego, He is the one who sucks your ego, so there is no karmas after realisation. You become the spirit, and spirit does not have any karma, it is a myth, it is sucked and this is what Christ has done for us.So, when Christians, so called, came to India, they converted people in such a crude method by putting a loaf in a well which the poor Indians ate - they are naive as far as Christianity was concerned - and they said this was the meat of the cows and now you are all finished, you are Christians, so the whole village became Christians. Like that they tried all dirty tricks on Indians and they all became Christians-and now Indian Christians are the worst of all, poor things, they think they are so condemned forever, now they can never be converted, they can never be realised, they cannot be resurrected, they are doomed people, who have eaten the cows' meat, not they, but their forefathers. It is such a wretched state. But if a realised soul had come they would have seen that this is what Christ was supposed to do, which is written in the Devi Mahatmayam, that He is the support of the universe. But the narrow visions of Christians and the narrow visions of Hindus, and the narrow visions of Moslems have made such a mess, that the time has come to get the whole picture, the complete integration, of all these great incarnations, who are within you and to understand them in reality, what they are, and becoming yourself such a vital personality and a collective being Of Christ, I don't know, I must have spoken hours and hours, about Krishna I must have spoken hours. In England also we have got about 300 to 400 tapes on different subjects which you should get them and listen to them. But again do not make it a big (... ? for you, it is to be actualised, it has to be felt, it is to be practised within yourself. It is not for giving you any big knowledge. We have a book called Advent, which is written by a French Sahaja Yogi. It is a very beautiful book, but we do not sell it to people who are not realised. We do not, because it is very difficult for a person who is not realised to get the book, that is why they crucified Christ. That is why they tortured Mohammed. That is why they tortured all the saints, because they could not bear to the truth, their ego could not bear it. So we do not give those books to people who are not realised, if you are realised then you can order a copy, you can get the book, but otherwise not. I am sorry we have certain experiences, and we feel on these experiences that unless and until human beings are realised they are not going to value anything like that, they will value anything else but their mukta, and here you do not pay a single pai, so there is no binding force. Like many people say, I say "why are you still doing these things", and they say "we have paid for it, so let us go through it", even if it is hell you go through it, that's the mentality. Now here there is nothing paid, there's on attachment, it is your freedom which is attached to you, if you are really a seeker you will go deep into it and have the blessings, have the beauty of that spirit which is within you, which you can have. The time has come, this was the time was promised, this was talked about in John's Revelations. Also in many of the Indian scriptures it is described. But the best is William Blake, who has described it very beautifully in his book called "Miltonll, even the place where I lived, was Surrey Hills, he has said, the first beacons will be lit in Surrey Hills, he has also said where our ashram is, that in the ruins of Lambeth Way, foundations will (end of tape 1) (...?) That now you want to go to my car. Now my car has shifted to London. Better go to London, that's what it is. One has to realise that when we talk of anyone like Christ or Moses or Abraham or Mohammad or anyone, we should know they are all related to each other. While we are identified with one or the other. Let us identify ourselves with all of them to understanding of Kundalini you'll be amazed, when the Kundalini rises, if somebody's a muslum he has to take the name of Nanaka otherwise Kundalini doesn't rise. All the fanatics have to give up their fanaticism before the Kundalini rises. And even if their Kundalini rises and gives them realisation then again sinks back into their fanatic (...?) So all these things will only disappear, all these related things will disappear as soon as you find your absolute, that is your spirit. About the Spirit, I'm sorry I cannot talk in such a small time, but there's a very good tape on Sat-Chit-Anand, that is the spirit and it's best to listen to that because I would do no honour to your spirit if I just finish it in two minutes or three minutes like that. It's a very wide subject and very beautiful. Most enjoyable to know about your own spirit, about yourself, that, truly you are not this body, not this mind, not this ego. Neither these conditionings and these old ideas you have, conceptions. You are what you are. Thank you very much. Now I'm going away to India on the 8th, and tomorrow there's a good programme in Sydney and 8th I'll be giving up and then I'll be in Europe a short time and going back to London. Maybe next year I'll be coming here. I would request you that you must attend your collective programmes because the message of Sahaja Yoga is collectivity. If you take my photograph and meditate at home after some time you'll find you'll lose vibrations. You will not grow. You have to grow collectively. It's very important that all of you should grow together collectively. Collectiveness must be developed otherwise you must work it out, how it works on others and how it cures others and how you help others, is to be seen. Some people will be coming from Melbourne, from Sydney to Melbourne, in the beginning still, who understand Sahaja Yoga and then they will go away. Of course there is no money, nothing involved as you see, we have started in a very small way. Now next time I come I'm sure Melbourne will be a (...?) of very good Sahaja Yogis. Not doubting, but understanding, doubting doesn't give you much chance, you see, what is there to doubt, is nothing but your ego is doubting something. There's nothing to doubt, just come and see this is a new university to which you have entered, you don't have to pay anything - that's all. When you have to pay, do not doubt and ask questions, I know you'll go head long, but here you are free, you have freedom to doubt but do not pull it too fast because you will spoil your chances of realisation. May God bless you. (applause) QUESTIONS Q: Why is Hatha Yoga an impediment to the heart chakra? Shri Mataji: The Hatha Yoga that you do here is an apology for the real Hatha Yoga. Real Hatha Yoga was written by Patanjali thousands of years back for students who used to go to their gurus and they were picked up specially for self -realisation. All the children used to go to gurus in childhood from 5-25 years of age and they lived a very celebate life in those places. There was not question of their marrying each other even when today we see these gotras with the universities, we cannot marry. In the same gotra, supposing my gotra is a (...?) I cannot marry any boy from the (...?) gotra. None of my children can also marry the gotra of my husband so that purity is still maintained as brothers and sisters. You can imagine the celebacy, that all the students of the universities were brothers and sisters. These are the times when long time back they had this (...?) where people used to have four stages of life. First was the Brahmacharya when celebacy was there. Second was the (Grahasta?) where they were married, then was the (Vanavastha?) where the husband - wife used to retire as grandparents in the forest and live with their children to give them love. And fourth one when they were Sanyasis - when one of them died they lived like just, like detached people - and helped everyone around. Like that we had (Charturtvaisvath?). Now in this (Charturtvaisvath?) conditions you see the Patanjali was the great great master of realisation and the first thing that you have to do in Patanjali Yoga is (ashtung?). There are eight things, but simultaneously to be done. First thing is Ishwars, means establishment of God, means realisation. That's the first thing to be done that establish your God. Once you're established to your God then the Kundalini starts rising. Then supposing there's any problem on any centre, alright, then there is, there are other ways also of curing it. There are ashtunga and one of them is also a typical exercise for a particular chakra, if it is on the right side part of it we do use that but depending on what's the trouble. For example, I have a trouble in the throat and I try to do some exercise for the stomach, stomach will go out and the throat will remain as it is. It is like taking all the medicines in a medicine bottle without discrimination. That also is only (...?) which is the 24th part of his eight ashtungas. Eight multiplied 24. Now why have chakra catches, also can be understood that when you pay so much attention to it is the (... yoga?) means physical exercises, isn't it? Just to, which I don't know people do it to become slaves and things and all these things. But if your attention is so much in your body only, alone, you are not only your body, you are your body, you are the mind, you are ego, superego, of all the things you are your spirit. There's no attention on your Spirit! That's why heart gets a problem because you don't pay attention to your Spirit, but your body. If you divert your attention too much to your body the spirit is angry; that's why the modern Hatha Yoga (...?), not the real Hatha Yoga, but the so called modern Hatha Yoga, even today in India, in many places, they practise the real Hatha Yoga but there are very few places and everbody's not allowed to enter there. It's very (...?). We do use, we do use Hatha Yoga. But we do not sort of use the way you people do. When the Kundalini rises we know where is the problem is and different asanas are given. To all of them. I teach them which is to be done for each chakra if it is pertaining to the chakra that catches. Q: I've always been given the impression, through reading about spiritual things, that you have to be a very evolved person before you start anything around Kundalini, and that it's actually quite dangerous to arouse Kundalini before you're, you know, you're cleaned up and gotten rid of your karmas and the whole business. Shri Mataji: Very true, it's very difficult to raise the Kundalini, no doubt about it. Nobody should mess about. You have to be a very holy person to do it. Actually these people who have written books do not know a word about it. There's a one big book I read, when they said the Kundalini was in the stomach, I was astonished, I mean how can they write, he's a western man. So dishonest to write such a thing, that Kundalini's in the stomach. He doesn't know a word about it. See and how they write - God only knows from where they learn these things like that. And just to publish, just now, please, will you listen to this answer and listen to things first and tell it, because your mind is just on one question, please keep your mind to what I'm answering alright, now what happens that when the Kundalini rises She rises only under the authority of God, otherwise She does not. Because you are not in India, you will not know why I am raising the Kundalini, But Indians immediately know that what I am, there must be something about me, and they know who I am. Which I am very afraid to tell you. But they immediately know who I am. I don't have to tell them because it's already written, that only such a person can raise the Kundalini, so they know what it is. Because they have seen with their own eyes, the raising of the Kundalini. Alright, there's something special about me. That's how, alright now, what about this gentleman? Q: If the highest and the lowest meet at the place of the Sahasrara, why do you associate Australia with Mooladhara chakra? Shri Mataji: You see Mooladhara chakra is not the lowest, it is the holiest of holy. Is the highest. Is the first to be created. Is the greatest to be worshipped. Is first to be worshipped. If you ask an Indian he will know what it is to G..?) mooladhara chakra - if I have to declare to them that Australia mooladhara chakra they'll give up (Kashi?) and all these places and come down here (laughter). The mooladhara chakra is adorned by Ganesha who is purity, complete purity, he is innocence, he is the highest of highest, nobody can reach Ganesha, even Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha cannot reach. Now he felt that, I respect you because you are born here. Oh, he must have thought, and you are so pure, that's why you are put there. You are the highest of highest, that's why you are put there and nothing can make you impure. You are like a lotus, born in the mud. Q: Can you feel your Kundalini rising more than once, and can you feel the sensations? Shri Mataji: The kundalini is like many ropes, or strings tied together, like a rope, you see, you can say and one rises, then the second one rises. You can, so many people feel it, very much. Hugo told me that, Mother I was near (..?), left vishuddhi because we had done this mantra business, and he was cooking in the kitchen and suddenly he felt a cool breeze and the cool movement of the Kundalini and the left vishuddhi and he said, "I know Mother you are working there." It's like that. (...?) it's always right, once it is awakened. So I did, but you can feel it also by certain things, you can, if you want to, I mean even ( ...?) has freedom to do what they like. The Californian Indians, also, what to do if they are (...?) or folly, how can you help them. Q: Can India be in the land of dharma? Shri Mataji: Are you Indian? A: No, Australian, Mother. Shri Mataji: If I say something will they get angry with me - Australians? A: Yes they would. Shri Mataji: Then you tell me what is there, discretion is better part of valour. A: Discretion Mother. Shri Mataji: India is, India is a, I know what is the next will come after that, that why there is such a problem. India is a spiritual country, no doubt about it. Because the accent is not on material developments but is on the control of the spirit, the control of the attention. From the very childhood, the children are taught how to control the attention. "Where is your attention?", a mother will say. She will not say, "you spoiled the carpet", she will not say this, that's it, accent is not on the carpet. But, where is your attention? And still it's (basic?). So we can say, apart from that, this country has the Kundalini of the Universe. It is the Kundalini, and England is the Heart.So I don't know which one is better, which one is less, everything is so important. But definitely, India is a Yoga Bhoomi, no doubt. But yours is Punya Bhoomi, I said, Punya means where people have earned lots of credits, credits, good credits from God, is a Punya Bhoomi, no doubt about it. They have earned, their conscience is good, Australians have a good conscience. No doubt about it, it's a Punya Bhoomi. Q:(Warren repeats question): There are people in Australia who play straight stock on Shambali consciousness. He's surprised you haven't mentioned it. Shri Mataji: No, I don't know them, I've not met them. But maybe they are doing some sort of a supraconscious stuff. He says it is (Warren: invisible master). No, no, that invisible master is a joke, I tell you it's a big joke. You better be your own master. Because these invisible masters that I have been to some places in America, where they, having invisible masters and all that, they're all possessed, absolutely possessed people. None of them you see, actually one should understand one simple thing, that none of the masters can possess you, can never, they give you complete freedom.. They do their job without possessing you, how can you get connected with them, unless and until you have got Kundalini awakening? You have to be awakened, otherwise how will you be connected, just sitting together like this, and this is all supraconscious activity which you can, listen to one of my lectures where I have described all these things very clearly. You see, it might have started from the seeking only, but while seeking, when they don't find it, they want to break their heads, that's what it is. All these things have started from seeking. (Not big nonsense?) I do not think. I do not want to say even that people who are using sex for Kundalini awakening are also wrong, because I am a Mother, I want to excuse everyone. I said maybe that they might have seen Shri Ganesha sitting there, and his trunk they might have misunderstood as the Kundalini, might be, you see as a Mother I have to make excuses for my children. But, it's a big mistake, not to, a big mistake, but plunging into the nonsense - that is true. Proof of the pudding is in the eating. Anyone you meet who says I've got it, alright, tell me where is my chakra? Where are your chakras? Finished. Where is my Kundalini? Where is your Kundalini? He will tell you, Hugo can tell, Sahaja Yogis can tell. Any great realised soul will say that the Kundalini is there. This is, this is the way you should know. Does he tell you about the Kundalini? Where is the Kundalini? What is the chakra, and when did he say. Actual thing, if someone, supposing there's a doctor, then he should be able to diagnose. He says I'm a doctor of this university, doctor of that university, ultimately you find that he's not even a doctor. Not ever a fisherman. So anybody says anything, you should not believe, but see for yourself - what realised. Unless and until you have got realisation, you cannot understand it. Now what is it? Q: Do you want to keep the body in God or do you want to take mote incarnations? (Warren: I think the language is very much styled by some of his reading, Mother) Shri Mataji: I just don't understand, my child, you are reading too much; better stop it. One should not read so much that you go mad. Actually, really this is too much. That's why Kabir says when I was born, I read Kabir, he said (...?) means by reading too much, even the learned have become stupid. I said how can they become stupid? I could not understand. If you read too much you get so confused, you see. All of the (...?) are in your head, and you are lost. Now, don't be funny. Don't ask about Me. I'm not going to tell you anything about myself. I'll only tell you about you, alright! Better not, because I do not want to fall into any controversies, I do not want to be crucified this time! Alright. That's between you and me. Q: Twenty years ago my father used to tell me that I was not to make myself (...) the first half an hour of this programme was spent criticizing other people. I would have thought... (Warren: He's a little upset at the fact that you're criticizing.) Shri Mataji: Yes, it is necessary. Because I find that here people have suffered a lot. I have to tell about them. You see when a Mother sees (...?) that children are doing and killed by other people She has to tell them. It is a very sad thing, I don't like it. I did not do it for years but I cannot help it now, to tell them. I find somebody like Hugo coming to me with all his backbone broken and monies lost, everything. I have to tell him. I should say "now go and garland the fellow and give all the money you have, also, and give away?" Should I? What should I do? Criticizing is only possible when you see you want to see that what is wrong. Like Christ, people said "now why do you criticize?" They do not criticize. He said the devil is not going to talk against his own home or house. It's true, they are not going to talk against, they are all friends! But they will all fight, you will see, and fall down. Do you know what harm they have done to people? Then you will not say I should not criticize. It takes courage to criticize them. Who will criticize? Will you? A: (...?) Shri Mataji: Why not? A: I'm not going to say anything. Shri Mataji: Will you, will you not criticize, if you find your own child being hurt and bothered by someone? (Warren: it's a pointless discussion, Mother) Shri Mataji: You are pointless really, Useless. If you are such a compassionate person do something good. A: Yes, Mother. Next Question: Did you explain about karma, about letting go of karma? What happens then? Shri Mataji: You see, I was saying that you let it go mentally, or rationally. You see, it happens to you. Your karma gets sucked in by the ego, this chakra is that of Christ, alright and this chakra, when it is opened, He sucks your karmas. Ego is sucked in, is absorbed. And it is neutralised. This is what Christ has done, which nobody has been able to say, (...?) he absorbs it, we say that he died for our sins, (... means what? Still you say, "we are sinners." Now he died for, (...?) "we should suffer",. why should you suffer? You are saints! Why should you suffer? And if anybody tries any ( ?) at you, or makes you suffer, I will not allow. They had a very bad time before, no more. They better not try these tricks, I'll flog them openly, and expose them, all of them, one by one. Whether you like it or not. I have to protect my children. Q: I've heard said that Kundalini's the power of the imagination. What truth is in that? Shri Mataji: You will see for yourself. It is not. Yousee this is the trouble, everybody starts talking about God,about Kundalini, everybody has a right, whether you haveauthority or not. Who's going to ask you? These are likevillagers coming to the city, touching somewhere in theplugs and saying that electricity gives you a shock. Theyare so naive and so stupid and lwnely people. Then they allstart talking like this. I'm telling 1 you the truth, you cansee for yourself. Don't believe these people. what goodhave they done? You see, anybody who says anything, ask"what good have you done?" Why do you talk? Finished. Howmany people you have given realisation. But you will startgiving realisation to others once your Kundalini isawakened. The proof of the pudding is in eating. It is easyto talk. A: Well actually, I read it in a pretty reputable book. (Warren: what was the book?) A: In search of the miraculous. (Warren: the miraculous, who said it's - does it give vibrations this book, that's what you have to check) Shri Mataji: So many reputable people, you'll find them very soon, are absolutely horrible people. You'll find them..24(Warren: it's a pointless discussion, Mother) Shri Mataji: You are pointless really, Useless. If you are such a compassionate person do something good. A: Yes, Mother. Next Question: Did you explain about karma, about letting go of karma? What happens then? Shri Mataji: You see, I was saying that you let it go mentally, or rationally. You see, it happens to you. Your karma gets sucked in by the ego, this chakra is that of Christ, alright and this chakra, when it is opened, He sucks your karmas. Ego is sucked in, is absorbed. And it is neutralised. This is what Christ has done, which nobody has been able to say, (...?) he absorbs it, we say that he died for our sins, (... means what? Still you say, "we are sinners." Now he died for, (...?) "we should suffer",. why should you suffer? You are saints! Why should you suffer? And if anybody tries any ( ?) at you, or makes you suffer, I will not allow. They had a very bad time before, no more. They better not try these tricks, I'll flog them openly, and expose them, all of them, one by one. Whether you like it or not. I have to protect my children. Q: I've heard said that Kundalini's the power of the imagination. What truth is in that? Shri Mataji: You will see for yourself. It is not. Yousee this is the trouble, everybody starts talking about God,about Kundalini, everybody has a right, whether you haveauthority or not. Who's going to ask you? These are likevillagers coming to the city, touching somewhere in theplugs and saying that electricity gives you a shock. Theyare so naive and so stupid and lwnely people. Then they allstart talking like this. I'm telling 1 you the truth, you cansee for yourself. Don't believe these people. what goodhave they done? You see, anybody who says anything, ask"what good have you done?" Why do you talk? Finished. Howmany people you have given realisation. But you will startgiving realisation to others once your Kundalini isawakened. The proof of the pudding is in eating. It is easyto talk. A: Well actually, I read it in a pretty reputable book. (Warren: what was the book?) A: In search of the miraculous. (Warren: the miraculous, who said it's - does it give vibrations this book, that's what you have to check) Shri Mataji: So many reputable people, you'll find them very soon, are absolutely horrible people. You'll find them..25First you get your realisation. Can you tell where is this Kundalini? Finished. Sahaja Yoga doesn't deal with all these-dramas. You have to tell me where is the Kundalini of another person? You have to raise the Kundalini. You should be able to give baptism. You have to see that the cool breeze comes out. That's what Sahaja Yoga is. You might brand yourself, anything. So what? You might brand yourself as Shri Krishna, what to do? You can, you see this is all imagination. This is what imagination is. (Warren: not books, not books) Shri Mataji: You see, Sydney people never ask so many questions and they got realisation - about five hundred of them. Melbourne are more asking questions and less people getting. And this is all imagination, just think of it. Who would like to be in such imaginary powers? (Warren: just finish your question) Shri Mataji: But there is no question, you see people have questions ... A: No, I don't have a question, I just want to say that... Shri Mataji: Question has no meaning, you must get your realisation. Q: Didn't Lord Chaitanya in the 16th century propagate the chanting of Hare Krishna in India? Wasn't he a very great person? Some say he was an incarnation of Krishna himself. Shri Mataji: You see Lord Chaitanya (...?)16th, in the 16th. This, the one who started was this Hare Krishna fellow. I need not say, but you see his ways only. Now he's no more, thank God. But you see his ways. How does he look like? You always used to say he carried .... who was the jockey. His face was so (...?),Did he look like a happy man, by any chance? What makes you think like this, that by chanting God's name you will reach God? On the contrary you'll be arrested. I'll tell you a simple thing. For example, if you have to chant God's name, this is, say the prime ministers name, I don't know who's the prime minister. You go near his house and start chanting his name. They'll all arrest you. What right have you got to chant his name they will ask you? As simple as that. Lord Chaitanya was there, it's alright (...?) this gentleman was saying, actually he is not Lord Chaitanya, so you better (...?) confuse him with that. It's like any saying (...?) "I'm Christ" (...?) is like that, is not to be considered here but what I would say that is simple thing, use your logic.* If you want to take somebody's name you should be at least connected to that person. Supposing there's a telephone and is not connected you go on ringing a person, Shri Krishna, Shri Krishna will you reach there? You have to be connected. It spoils your throat completely, you will see that it's an antidote of smoking, you take it from me is a nervousness in the throat, you see, and some people find an expression for the (...?), it is just an imaginary thing, there is nothing like enjoying something in the imaginations. Take the reality into your hands what Krishna has said, that you are to become the (...?) You have to know it means you have to become realised souls. Even in baptism he said you have to be (ananyabakti?) Now (...?) means you are realised when you are not the other, when you are realised then you do the bhakti, he also said the same thing. Q: But didn't He also say that to realise him you have to have devotion towards him, to realise him you have to worship him? Shri Mataji: And did I say that you should not have devotion? You should have devotion from your heart but not this imaginary thing, "I'm in love with Krishna and the river Ganges and I'm the Yamuna river" or "I'm feeling the picture", all this nonsense, and then "I'm walking and Krishna breaks (...?)", all this imaginary thing you should not do. Just you must have devotion not only for Krishna but, for all these people. Hare Krishna movement, do they tell you what Christ did, did they tell you what Mohammed has done, (why did they cancelled all other?) Enjoyment is not the (...?) you must get the joy, not enjoy. A: NO, but is like, is not even a reward is, just that I am saying that ... truly, I find joy, I don't chant like a (.. ) "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna" Shri Mataji: Why don't you do it, you should if you belong to that cult you should, you dhould wear that horrible sari which is called ( ... ?) and dance with that, that's what you should do like all other sadus, if you don't do it you're a sensible woman but still you have to get your realisaton. A: Yes but you see, Shri Mataji: If you are satisfied with what you are I have nothing to force you, I also cannot promise you realisation my child that is one thing I have to tell you very humbly. A: I agree with you Mataji that we should look at all the great teachers, I'm not closed off, I read all the great teachers. Shri Mataji: That you do, but it's all on the mental level I'm saying you have to go beyond, you have to become. Q: In this age is it possible to get realisation from any other than you or your devotees? Shri Mataji: Of course, you also can give realisation once you are realised, of course, that's what it is and that is what William Blake has written very clearly. About him, he has said that men of God will become prophets and these prophets will have the capacity to make others prophets. This is what it is. You can do it. They, you see, you don't know in Australia, just a minute, just a minute, In Australia I didn't come before. He and his friend, Terence, were there in India, and they are half-baked because I live in the villages you see, I have most of my disciples in the villages-because the city people, the city people (...?) they all want to try this show and circus, so I go to villages, I mean in the villages we don't even have (...?) or anything. (...?) with the whole show that they wanted to run away you see, but I said "No, no, no, stay back, stay back", somehow or other,(...?) they got their realisation, very difficult, this one (...?) He didn't listen to anyone. Jai Rama, Jai Krishna, everything he has done, he's gone through every sort of a myth and then he got his realisation and then he gave realisation to two hundred people these two, so you can do it also. Q: Yes, alright, I agree with that, but it can only come from you or your disciples, or can it come from people other than Sahaja Yogis? Shri Mataji: Could be (Warren: there are great realised souls) Shri Mataji: Yes, there are one or two of them, four or five I should say who 1 know. One of them is ... ?) and I said "Why don't you give realisation to them?" You see these gurus are not so simple like your Mother. He's very difficult personality. One day he told me "if anyone troubles you you had better send him over to me, I'm not going to give realisation to anyone. I gave to one and he turned out to be nothing." I didn't know he was such a difficult thing, one day this gentleman was just troubling me for nothing at all, "Why do you want to give realisation to all of them, they don't deserve it", and all that sort of thing. Always they used to ask me. Questions and trouble me. I said, "(Gotal1) (Maharaja?) calling you" and this man doesn't receive anyone normally, you see, so he was very happy, "Oh he's such a holy man, that (Maharaji?) calling me." Really I don't know again whether to laugh or to cry, the way things happen. After some time he came in such a horrible state, poor thing, his legs were tied up here, and he was dangling them, two people were carrying them. "What happened?", really tears came into my eyes, "What has happened? What has he done out of him." So he came in and said "Mother do anything, but don't send me to (Maharaji?)." And what did he do? He said, "you don't know, he's very cruel." I said "What did you do?" He'said that, "you see, I just told him." I said, "You talk against me?" "Yes, I said, "Mother gives realisation to everyone, everyday, Tom Harry. She doesn't ( ... ?) anyone and this and that. I said, That's all! Yes, and a little more I said something against you I know", But what did you do, you see you said you did not do ( ... ?) They had broken his legs and hands so he goes about on a tiger and he said his tiger came in the night and threw me into a ( ... ?) and I was lying there for three days with the broken legs, nobody bothered about me. For he dropped some rotis, that's a kind of bread weeat in India, that you eat now, lie down there. I was just there in all filth and everything. I was lying there for again three days, he was giving me rotis from there and then of the seventh day he sent some people to carry me out. And he said, "Now you go to that Mataji with your legs round your neck, dangling, and she is the one who is going to fix you up and now don't say a word against her." That's what they are. Another doctor who was troubling me a lot, so I said "why don't you (...?)", this was before this thing happened, you know. So the doctor came. absolutely, in a very run down condition, I said "what happened, he said "that Maharaji asked me to clean a Shiva temple. He said its very nice you'll enjoy it very much. You are cleaning Shiva - this is a very great temple of Shiva, clean it. And everyday I used to walk three miles up the hill, clean the Shiva temple with water, buckets used to carry, and then come back, carry buckets and all that." In one month he became a very thin fellow, just like as if he has been climbing Himalayas. So I asked "why did you do like this? He said "donkeys must be given donkeys' job." Another (Maharaj?), he's a great person, I know of in (...?) I asked him, I said "why don't you go to America." He ran away. In three days he ran away, he said, "they are useless people, why are you giving them realisation? They are good for nothing! They are useless people, they don't deserve it. Let them hang themselves!" And one of the disciples who were in America had given him realisation. He was an Indian, and he started earning money out of Sahaja Yoga. I did not know. When he came to Bombay, people found out from his vibrations that he was very hot, so I asked him "what do you do?" and he showed me the brochure! It was written: "for ordinary vibrations $200, and for special ones $500". 1 was shocked, I said "how can you do it?" He said "now I have to run a hotel for them", and I said "you run a hotel or do whatever you like, in the name of God you cannot run a hotel like (...?), you have to run it for your own sake. It's alright. And you don't pay for their stay, but you cannot make money out of it. You cannot. I know. You can do some other work, what you were doing (...?)"1 was teaching." I said, "now you should teach. You cannot go into enterprises like this in the name of God. (...?) to pay for vibrations. How much did you pay for your realisation? That you are charging?" He got very angry with me. He said, "you must have money otherwise what will you do", and this and that. I said, "see, you can do any business you like on your own but you cannot do it in the name of God and nor organisation like this is going to be raised in the name of God. And I will not have it. I really tell you, forbid it (...?)" 1 was very strict. Got very angry. Till (...?) Maharaj took it. And then he came back about a month or so. He said, "I had a very bad time in this Maharaj". I said "what happened?" "I don't know how he came to know that I have been to you. But I went to his place, I went into the gate and he started throwing stones at me. And I got hurt very badly, so I ran away to the station. Then he said to one man there saying that ah, how dare you come to see me when you have insulted Mother. And you wretched fellow" and all sorts of things.So then, poor man, he said, "for that I'm sorry, but I must see Maharaj" and all that. The third day he allowed him to see and then he said that you go and tell Mother that I will come and pay my respects. (...?) and he sent a very nice tape with all the Sanskrit music that he knew with him. When this fellow came back he telephoned to me, he said "Mother, please forgive me, this has happened." (...?) and he said this thing, He said it on the telephone "I want to meet You." But you'll be surprised he's tried and tried. He went to America, came to London, he never met me. This is what happened. You see, I can understand your questioning is alright, but I can tell you, I asked a gentlman this morning, that before 3000, paid 3000 pounds do you find out why you are paying or did you ask any questions - said nothing. "I just paid." Before these gurus you don't ask any questions. Just go headlong before. It's only with Mother, you take liberties, go on this way or that way. For example, this lady who is Hare Krishna, did she ask any questions to her guru? A: Yes I did Mother. Shri Mataji: Nothing, A: No, I asked many questions, Shri Mataji: That's it. What I'm trying to tell you, that when you have freedom, use it for your good. Use it for your good. No. None of them has said that you should have your realisation, did they say? On the contrary, they said "perform your (...?) here (...?) your money. We have to run an organisation. We have to run this." Did they say that "I'll give you realisation"? Any one of them? And when I say I'm giving you realisation, you want to ask me questions. What does that suggest? What does that suggest, that you have no self estimation Simple thing. If you knew that you are (...?) with it: You'll get it. Now you don't ask me any questions, because your questions is pointless. Are you sent by somebody here? A: I'm very pleased to see you. Shri Mataji: Ah. A: I said I'm pleased to see you. Shri Mataji: Then why do you ask questions, now disturbing everyone. If you really love me, then sit down now and have your realisation. Be a nice boy. Come along. It's too much. A: What is?There's a real difference between and awareness that's free. (Warren: words words words) Shri Mataji: Now you see, disturbed us now, he's going out. Now how many of you want to.... I do not want to answer the questions of the people who are just here to ask questions. Don't want to. All those who are asking questions are going to go away. I know that.

4/7/1981

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Shri Gruha Lakshmi Puja: Marriage is very important in Sahaja Yoga

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Shri Gruha Lakshmi Puja, Sydney (Australia), 7 April 1981 Today is the anniversary day of the wedding, and I have allowed them to celebrate it because marriage is very important in Sahaja Yoga. It is one of the most important things for Sahaja Yoga, that one should get married. Firstly, marriage always gives you a balance of understanding, if you have proper ideas about marriage. If you have funny ideas, and if you are just marrying for fun’s sake and you do not understand the value of marriage, then it is just a joke, it’s not a marriage. But in Sahaja Yoga you really understand the value of marriage first of all, what it means. And then, luckily today we are going to have some Sahaja Yoga weddings, in which you will see how we try to conform to the divine laws of marriage, and get married under those laws. Here I find, in Australia, as well as in other countries, that marriage has lost its sanctity. People don’t understand that by doing sin against the marriage they are committing such great sins that many generations will have to suffer for this kind of a thing. One has to understand that fidelity is the basis of marriage. If there is no fidelity marriage has no meaning. If you are not capable of being fidel (sic), that means you are not yet a human being. A human being has to be a fidel animal. In marriage we confirm that the problem is over now, we have finished with the choices we had, and now we are going to settle down with one person. And the sharing of life, in even absolutely private life, is with one person. So you have to be very much harmonised with that person and in complete understanding, and loyalties to each other one has to have. Now the marriage is for the reproduction of the species as they say. Now as you are another species, you are Sahaja Yogis – it’s a new awareness –marriages between you will bring forth children of very high calibre. There are great saints who are anxious to get birth on this Earth, and if they find good Sahaja Yogi husband and wife, who love each other, are good progressive people in Sahaja Yoga, who are dedicated to Sahaja Yoga, they would be definitely descending on this Earth through you. So it is very important, and imminent at this time, that one should understand the value of the marriage of Sahaja Yoga. So many marriages have taken place before also, but what is the validity or what is the credibility of those marriages when the person who marries them in the name of God is not a Realised-soul? He has to be a Realised-soul to marry them. He has no authority to marry in the name of God. Alright, registration is a different thing altogether because they do not marry in the name of God, they marry in the name of a nation. But if you have to marry in the name of God you must have a Realised-soul to do that. And one should understand every bit of the marriage that is performed: what you are doing, why you are doing. There are certain promises that are to be given. We have taken this marriage system from the old Vedic system, also changed it very much according to the Sahaja Yoga, where we have been trying to use also certain ceremonies which are done in the churches and other religions. But mainly it is based on the Kundalini. So the promise is to the fire. In this marriage the promise is to the fire because fire is the one that burns off all that is ugly. And Kundalini is also like a fire on one point, because that’s the only energy that rises above. So, like the fire goes upward, the Kundalini also rises upwards. That’s why it is compared with the fire. But fire is the energy which is in the stomach, which is the dharma, which is the religion. And the religion of the Sahaja Yogis is to keep in the centre, not to go to extremes. And when they get married, by their understanding of Sahaja Yoga they pull each other towards the centre much more, and enjoy themselves: the present, the present moment, and the present as it is. Sahaja Yoga marriages can be really fantastic if the Sahaja Yogis who marry are sensible, are equally balanced, or are not criticising each other, not taking an upper hand. It is possible for one Sahaja Yogi to marry another one, to gradually upgrade that Sahaja Yogi. It is possible also to degrade. If another Sahaja Yogi is more powerful or negative so much that it can degrade also another person. It depends on your quality to be upgraded or degraded. So marriage is a very big blessing in Sahaja Yoga because all the Gods and all the angels are watching these marriages and they will see to it that these marriages are successful. But if you are bent upon making them unsuccessful because you still have the same kind of an awareness which you had before and you want to go to the same it can fail also. Like animals, you see: if you live with the animals even human beings can become like animals. So the Sahaja Yogis must know that their awareness is changed. They are different people. They have to live with Sahaja Yogis and not with other human beings who are not yet Realised. They can talk to them, but they must know that the Sahaja Yogis are at a very different level of awareness. If they realise this point, if they understand this simple point that their awareness is very different, they would adjust much better in married life. There’s no divorce in Sahaja Yoga. We do not think of a divorce but there’s nothing forced. I mean, if they fail to live together it’s a shame but, so far we have had no divorces. But as the people are coming from every sort of culture and things, there is a possibility that people may like to divorce legally. But in Sahaja Yoga there is nothing like divorce. But there’s no force on anyone. And one must try to understand marriage, that it is for your enjoyment. If you cannot enjoy the marriage then it is of no use to you. In Sahaja Yoga it is to be ensured that people enjoy their marriages, and live very well, happily, with each other. It is a responsibility of all the people in Sahaja Yoga. But, say in My case, own case, My husband was not a Realised-soul, nor did he understood realisation, nor was he a seeker. (A child comes: It would like to come to Me for sitting in My lap throughout!) And despite all that, you see, I didn’t get upset or anything, I didn’t push him. I didn’t push anyone. I said, “Gradually he will be able to see it through.” So even if the person, another person is not a Realised-soul one can manage it very well, and can live very happily. But in case you get both the people Realised then it’s a much better thing and should be enjoyed. But the interest should be in Sahaja Yoga. If you have other interests then there could be problems because a Sahaja Yogi would not tolerate his wife or a Sahaja Yogini would not tolerate her husband to waste his energy on nonsensical things. And a new sort of a conflict will start between Sahaja Yoga and the Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoginis. So it should never be a matter of conflict because we have so many ways and methods of finding out what’s the matter with us. And if there is anything wrong with us we should try to face it and clear it out. We should not try to clear each other’s chakras but our own. Actually we do not pay attention to ourselves, we start paying attention to others. Moreover, I must say that Sahaja Yoga marriages will be the most successful marriages, have to be. They may re-establish the institution of marriage on very sound basis. There’s no doubt about it. And those who’ll be married in Sahaja Yoga will be really remarkably happy married couples. But there will be an attack of the negativity on them as soon as they get married, because it is not a very happy thing for these negative forces to see that people are happily married. And they would try their level best to bring all sorts of problems, all sorts of complications in the beginning, to see that these marriages are broken. And when you start playing into their hands you will also be spoiling the chances of getting good Realised-souls to you, because they would not accept such a situation. If you have been quarrelling in the beginning also it’s not good, because you go down in their estimation. So you have to be very patient, very soft and good to each other, to see that you create an atmosphere of invitation for these great souls to come on this Earth. And if that is not so then they will wait, they will not incarnate because they don’t want to have parents who are quarrelling, who are fighting, who are suspecting, who are troubling each other. Now, one has to know that Sahaja Yoga marriage has a precise reason. It is not [that] you are marrying just out of fashion. You are marrying because you want to have children who are Realised-souls, on this Earth, to come. We give them a place, parentage to do that. And if you do not understand the value of that marriage then it is better not to be married in Sahaja Yoga. It’s better to spare the Sahaja Yoga! There’s only one snag in Sahaja Yoga is this, that you are all born of the same Mother so you are all brothers and sisters, in a way. But when you are going to marry each other then this point becomes a little funny that, how can a brother marry a sister? Now, we can say like that, that I would say that it would be better if you marry not in the same community, but marry from somewhere else. At the most a Sydney Sahaja Yogi should marry a Melbourne Sahaja Yogini. Some distance should be like that, so that it is kept like not brothers and sisters - should be better. But I have seen, when this happens, there is more conflict, because they still carry on with the idea that they are from Melbourne and another from Sydney. Now the Sydney and Melbourne should not be a matter of conflict, because as soon as they start quarrelling they’ll say, “Oh, you Melbournian, I know you are like that.” And she’ll say, “You Sydneyans, you are like that.” And immediately you become like that, and you start quarrelling about it. So you must know that you are not a Sydneyan or a Melbournian but you are nothing but a Sahaja Yogi. And Sahaja Yogi has no caste, community or any race, or any religion, or also no bar of any nation. Whatever nation you come from you are a Sahaja Yogi, you are a universal being. You are. You can feel the vibrations of anyone sitting down here. Whether he’s from Hawaii or from America doesn’t matter. So, when you can feel about everyone, that means you are no more belonging to any community or any particular country, you are a universal being. And that’s what we have to do, we have to create more universal beings. And to expedite that, we want to get these great souls on this Earth, so it’s a very important work. They have to be on this Earth, because they are the great channels for this divine work. Once they start descending on this Earth, the real ones, it will all expedite. It will be such a great, it will be such a great sudden explosion of Sahaja Yoga. You will be amazed how it can grow faster with these people coming down. And we should try to make such arrangements that we get the real blessings of those people, that they come down on this Earth. It’s very important. So I would request you to think about the marriage from a new angle and from new ideas by which you can really understand the value, the value of these marriages. And then you make it a successful marriage and not a failure, a nonsense, of it. That’s such a great simple thing to do because you are married before Realised-souls. So there is no question of being just married like other people are married and then they, they take a name-plate on their car saying ‘Just married’ and they are going to a divorce case. There cannot be such a thing for Sahaja Yog – it’s a serious thing. If you are not serious enough about it better not marry. If you have expectations about marriage it is better not to marry. It is better not to marry. Nobody is going to force you to marry. Just say, “No, not at all, I’m not going to.” But if you are going to go on like this you will really be harming Sahaja Yoga in the worst possible way. It is like stabbing Sahaja Yoga from the back. So there is no need for you to get married, in case you do not want to have it. On the contrary, it would be better that there are many married couples who can produce children, and they can have those great people born to them. But if you think that adjustment and all that means all kinds of these old ideas of married life, it’s better that you do not get married. It’s a new heavenly marriage, for which you should be prepared to receive the beauty and the blessings, and also the greatest of greatest, the ultimate meaning of it. I hope you will understand that Sahaja Yoga is emphasising on marriages, and we do not believe in any asceticism, the running away from family life. We believe that family life is the most important thing. We have to establish it very well on this Earth, and that we have to see, in these beautiful nests of divine love, that great souls are born, and we have to continue with it. There’s no escape from having a very good married life. And I wish you, all of you, that you will have a very good happy married life. And those who are not marrying I wish them that they also will have a very happy married life. Now I have been married- I think thirty-sixth year is this [of] My marriage today. There’re so many years have passed but still I still feel like a bride with My husband because really, we have been very wise people to live like that. And of course there are ups and downs, but ultimately one feels very different about the whole thing. He has sent a beautiful letter today, thanking you all for your kindness shown to Me, and for all the kindness you have shown to him. So we should have the puja, this today, as a Gruha Lakshmi you are worshipping Me. As a Gruha Lakshmi in you and which is very essential also, to worship Me as a Gruha Lakshmi, because you all have a problem with your Gruha Lakshmi. That’s the Left Nabhi. So I hope it will work out better for you, and we’ll start with the puja. After this short puja that we have, then we’ll start with this Devi havan, because this we have not been able to do so far, and this is very important. We have to somehow or other manage it today if possible. We should do thousand names. Would be a very good idea. Marathi Sahaja Yogi in background to Shri Mataji: Who should be the host? Shri Mataji: Do you need a deed to be the host, you can only do it. Before Christ, Brahmins were like tenants (‘भाडेकरी’). Sahaja Yogi: We are not tenants. Shri Mataji: Hence hosts were required, you can take it. (laughs in the background) Shri Mataji: What do we have to give by calling them (Brahmins)? Sahaja Yogi: It is better if someone from here conducts. Shri Mataji: Take someone new. Someone who is getting married, take them. English Sahaja Yogi in background: Kuno (calling out a Sahaja Yogi), both of you. Shri Mataji: Who else is getting married? Sahaja Yogi in background: Who else? Shri Mataji: You also. Marathi Shri Mataji: You come and sit here in the front, how else will it be done? English For Modi you have to give him something there. Marathi Shri Mataji: Take it a bit forward and sit. There must be something small to spread. Marathi Shri Mataji: Did you sit? Marathi Shri Mataji: Do you want anything? Sahaja Yogi: No, I don’t need anything else. Marathi Shri Mataji: Do like this, first start with Ganapati puja. Give it in my hand the puja (offerings). You have the Ganapati (puja offerings) with you. Sahaja Yogi: Shri Keshavaya, Shri Krishna’s names should we recite? Shri Mataji: It is not required. Sahaja Yogi: We will take Ganapati’s names. Shri Mataji: Ganapati puja in our way, we are prepared for it. Sahaja Yogi: Atharvasheesha. Shri Mataji: Yes, Atharvasheesha. Mataji’s feet needs to be washed, arrange for the water. Do one thing, you Raulbai (yogi’s name) sit here and you should recite. Means what will happen that if you get up and recite, then they all will be able to hear you and Raulbai can here instruct what needs to be done. Will it be possible for you? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, it will be possible. Shri Mataji: No, No I was asking Raulbai. What needs to be done is to ask them to put water and other things. Sahaja Yogi: Will put water and other things. We need to tell them about ‘panchamrut’. Shri Mataji: ‘Panchamrut’ give it to the hand, put it on the feet. Sahaja Yogi: Like you say. Shri Mataji: On the hand. Sahaja Yogi: And on the hand... Shri Mataji: Have you brought the red cloth? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, red is there here and here is the green and.. Shri Mataji: Ok let us start. Sahaja Yogi: Also on the hand, we have to do the puja of Bhagwati, right? Shri Mataji: Yes, on the hand Bhagwati. Let us start. It can be of Lakshmi, Mahalakshmi as well. Sahaja Yogi: We have the Mahalakshmi stotra with us. Shri Mataji: Yes, Mahalakshmi stotra is there. It will not take much time. It should be completed in 5-10 minutes. Sahaja Yogi: Ok. Marathi Shri Mataji: Tell the meaning, is it possible a little bit? Sahaja Yogi: If we tell the meaning, it will quite some time. Shri Mataji: No, no, till such time they will do it. Till such time they will be washing the feet. Sahaja Yogi: You can let it be, you can tell them about (continuing to) wash the feet. Shri Mataji: Ok, you can stand up, stand up and also tell them the meaning of it. Means, they should know the meaning. Is it possible? Sahaja Yogi: I will tell as much as possible. Shri Mataji: Ok, tell as much as possible. You can stand up. Sahaja Yogi: I will stand up and explain. Sanskrit Sahaja Yogi: Harne Shri Mataji – Harne means who takes away all the problems. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: I will complete this shloka and then explain. Shri Mataji – Ok. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Means when the whole universe will be destroyed, even then he will there. He is there even at the time of destruction. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Means ‘chatvari vak-padani’, all the four types of speech which is there, that is ‘Para’, ‘Pashyanti’ ‘Madhyama’, ‘Vaikhari’, these are also governed by him. (Meaning of the four types of speeches ‘Para’ is the word form Parmeshwar i.e. knowing the word Brahman is called Para, it is related to Param. ‘Pashyanti’ - Words are seen in Pashyanti. As the seer of the mantra, the sage Maharishis saw the mantras. Be seen what is being said. ‘Madhyama’ - Those words which are not pronounced, which no one can hear, like the name is chanted. ‘Vaikhari’ - The pronunciation of words that are expressed which someone else can hear is called Baikhari.) Marathi Shri Mataji: What is it (the shloka)? Ganadim.. what? Sahaja Yogi reciting the shloka: ‘Ganadim purvam uchcharya’ means who are all the ganas? Their.. Shri Mataji: Gana or Gan? Sahaja Yogi: ‘Ganadim’ Shri Mataji: ‘Ganadim’ Sahaja Yogi reciting the shloka: ‘Ganadim purvam uchcharya’ ‘Varnadim tad-anantaram’. Firstly we have described who all their gana (all celestial beings on the left hand side), these are all their gana and now what is his character (‘वर्ण’), his character means ‘Aumkar’, is what it means. Sahaja Yogi: ‘Varnadim tad-anantaram’ Shri Mataji: Explain to them in English. Marathi Shri Mataji: Means whatever characters (‘वर्ण’) has been created on this earth, all the ‘varnas’ have been created after him. Marathi Shri Mataji: ‘Anu-swaraha’? Sahaja Yogi: ‘Anu-swaraha’ means a point, means the state of a point. Shri Mataji: But they will not understand it in English. Sahaja Yogi: Now we will not be able to explain this state in English. Marathi Shri Mataji: (Mentioning the three states) ‘Ardha Bindu’, “Bindu’, ‘Valaya’. Sahaja Yogi: ‘Tarena Riddham’. The power to gage (‘तारण’) is also his. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: In this way you are in the form of a comma. Marathi Shri Mataji: Can you see that? Marathi Shri Mataji: Generally, we can only see the bhoots (pointing to the sky) Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Now it is a description. ‘Gakārah purva-rūpam’. Now I don’t know how to explain ‘Gakārah’, I am not able to understand. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Akāro madhyama rūpam’. Means it is the description of ‘Aumkar’. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: After that, last of all is the form of a dot (’Bindurup’). Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Uttara’ means the north direction. This is the meaning of ‘Bindur-uttara-rūpam’. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Nādah sandhānam, saṁhitā sandhih’. Now if you have to know this through the sound (‘Nādah’). Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Now how to explain ‘Gayatri’ – ‘Gāyatrī-chhandah’. How to explain ‘Chhandah’? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Again in the ‘Chhandah’ there is ‘Gayatri’. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Chhandah’? Shri Mataji: ‘Chhandah’, ‘Chhandah’ is a re-oratory, is it? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: No, ‘Chhandah’ means there is a wire along with the ‘Chhandah’, means Music. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Ni-chṛid Gāyatrī-chhandah’ means there is ‘Chhandah’ of ‘Gayatri’ in it. ‘Chhandah’ of ‘Gayatri’ means Ganesha. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Aum Gam Ganapataye namah’. In this now Gayatri is explained. In this mantra what is the correlation between Gayatri and Ganapati, is what is explained that ‘Aum Gam Ganapataye namah’. Marathi Shri Mataji: How to awaken? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Reading the shloka ‘Radam cha varadam hastair’. ‘Varada hastha’ means he is offering the hand… Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Reading the shloka ‘Bibhrānam Mūshaka-dhvajam’ – Now (thinking how to explain this).. A mouse is his carrier…. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Reading the shloka ‘Yogino’ means ‘Ye na jayate iti yogaha’ – means the connection through which you know the divine.. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Reading the shloka ‘Shivasutaya’ means The Son of Shiva. Marathi Shri Mataji: No, it is that they know the meaning of Shiva. You know Shiva, you know. Marathi Shri Mataji: of blessings.. you are the statue of blessings. Is it over now? Marathi Shri Mataji: Now tell something about the Goddess (‘Devi’) Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Now for the Goddess (‘Devi’) means, should I recite Devi’s Mahalakshmi Stotra? Marathi Shri Mataji: No, is there the other one? Anything that is recited for the Devi normally. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: There are many for the Devi in here. Shri Mataji: You can recite that the Gods praised the (Goddess) Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Yes.. The Shlokas ‘Ya Devi Sarva Bhuteshu…’ Marathi Shri Mataji: Along with it.. Sahaja Yogi: The Gods have praised is very special. Shri Mataji: Yes, very special. Do we have its translation in English? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Which stanzas are to be recited? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Yes, the Devi Stuti is there after the killing of the Mahishasura. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: No, when the Gods prayed to Vishnu to create.. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Ratri Suktam, it is this only right? Shri Mataji: Yes this is it. Sahaja Yogi: Yes that only. Sahaja Yogi: Yes I have opened the same only. Marathi Shri Mataji: Now you will tell right how it was created? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Marathi Shri Mataji: Is it there in Hindi? Sahaja Yogi: It is there in Hindi. Shri Mataji: Is the translation in Marathi? Sahaja Yogi: I will recite the translation. Marathi Shri Mataji: Do the translation. Sahaja Yogi: I will translate it. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: I will only recite the translation now. Sahaja Yogi: Only the translation is there now. Shri Mataji: Tell. I will tell. Marathi Shri Mataji: Now let us start reciting the next one, the other, let us take any other one. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: We will take the Mahalakshmi Stotram. Shri Mataji: Take the Mahalakshmi one. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: It will be difficult to translate this one. Shri Mataji: Ha.. Sahaja Yogi: It will be difficult to translate this one. Marathi Shri Mataji: Translation is difficult? Sahaja Yogi: It is difficult. Shri Mataji: It is not there? Sahaja Yogi: Ha.. Shri Mataji: Then leave it. We can do it later. Marathi Shri Mataji: It is very easy, there is no need to hurry. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: I will tell by myself first, I will first recite it. Shri Mataji: First recite it. Marathi Shri Mataji: Only take this out in the other thing. Marathi Shri Mataji: What are we going to get by teaching? Why do it? Marathi Shri Mataji: Keep this down. Keep it down, take it like this in your hand and put it in my ‘Oti’. Take now in your hand. Marathi Shri Mataji: Take that, take that out, take that in your hand and tell to put it in my ‘Oti’. It is done. Marathi Shri Mataji: The fruits are there, put it in that. Marathi Shri Mataji: It is all mixed in this. Marathi Shri Mataji: Now put this in it. Marathi Shri Mataji: These are people are great. Marathi Shri Mataji: is it done? If it done then I will tie these threads. Marathi Shri Mataji: But not for the head right? Is there one for the head? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, there is for head as well. Shri Mataji: It is there ok. Marathi Shri Mataji: It is ok if you put it on another finger. In this there is not much there for you. Marathi Shri Mataji: You all have given me so much respect today, that itself is sufficient. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Where we would get this? Sahaja Yogi: It is all by your grace Shri Mataji. Sahaja Yogi: Without your grace nothing will happen. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Without your grace it is not possible. How will we on our own give you the respect? Marathi Shri Mataji: We should tell these people that they should not step out of Shri Mataji’s grace. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Yesterday that is what we spoke. Sahaja Yogi: Yesterday that is what we spoke all important things were told. Marathi Shri Mataji: Put a cloth here. Keep a red cloth here. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: It will have to be cut. Shri Mataji: No, it is not there. Sahaja Yogi: The cloth is there here. Marathi Shri Mataji: The audio is not clear to translate Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Should we tell these people Marathi Shri Mataji: You can lay this all there up with it. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: I have got all of these laid down, only we have to ask these people to step aside.

Shri Gruha Lakshmi Puja, Sydney (Australia), 7 April 1981 Today is the anniversary day of the wedding, and I have allowed them to celebrate it because marriage is very important in Sahaja Yoga. It is one of the most important things for Sahaja Yoga, that one should get married. Firstly, marriage always gives you a balance of understanding, if you have proper ideas about marriage. If you have funny ideas, and if you are just marrying for fun’s sake and you do not understand the value of marriage, then it is just a joke, it’s not a marriage. But in Sahaja Yoga you really understand the value of marriage first of all, what it means. And then, luckily today we are going to have some Sahaja Yoga weddings, in which you will see how we try to conform to the divine laws of marriage, and get married under those laws. Here I find, in Australia, as well as in other countries, that marriage has lost its sanctity. People don’t understand that by doing sin against the marriage they are committing such great sins that many generations will have to suffer for this kind of a thing. One has to understand that fidelity is the basis of marriage. If there is no fidelity marriage has no meaning. If you are not capable of being fidel (sic), that means you are not yet a human being. A human being has to be a fidel animal. In marriage we confirm that the problem is over now, we have finished with the choices we had, and now we are going to settle down with one person. And the sharing of life, in even absolutely private life, is with one person. So you have to be very much harmonised with that person and in complete understanding, and loyalties to each other one has to have. Now the marriage is for the reproduction of the species as they say. Now as you are another species, you are Sahaja Yogis – it’s a new awareness –marriages between you will bring forth children of very high calibre. There are great saints who are anxious to get birth on this Earth, and if they find good Sahaja Yogi husband and wife, who love each other, are good progressive people in Sahaja Yoga, who are dedicated to Sahaja Yoga, they would be definitely descending on this Earth through you. So it is very important, and imminent at this time, that one should understand the value of the marriage of Sahaja Yoga. So many marriages have taken place before also, but what is the validity or what is the credibility of those marriages when the person who marries them in the name of God is not a Realised-soul? He has to be a Realised-soul to marry them. He has no authority to marry in the name of God. Alright, registration is a different thing altogether because they do not marry in the name of God, they marry in the name of a nation. But if you have to marry in the name of God you must have a Realised-soul to do that. And one should understand every bit of the marriage that is performed: what you are doing, why you are doing. There are certain promises that are to be given. We have taken this marriage system from the old Vedic system, also changed it very much according to the Sahaja Yoga, where we have been trying to use also certain ceremonies which are done in the churches and other religions. But mainly it is based on the Kundalini. So the promise is to the fire. In this marriage the promise is to the fire because fire is the one that burns off all that is ugly. And Kundalini is also like a fire on one point, because that’s the only energy that rises above. So, like the fire goes upward, the Kundalini also rises upwards. That’s why it is compared with the fire. But fire is the energy which is in the stomach, which is the dharma, which is the religion. And the religion of the Sahaja Yogis is to keep in the centre, not to go to extremes. And when they get married, by their understanding of Sahaja Yoga they pull each other towards the centre much more, and enjoy themselves: the present, the present moment, and the present as it is. Sahaja Yoga marriages can be really fantastic if the Sahaja Yogis who marry are sensible, are equally balanced, or are not criticising each other, not taking an upper hand. It is possible for one Sahaja Yogi to marry another one, to gradually upgrade that Sahaja Yogi. It is possible also to degrade. If another Sahaja Yogi is more powerful or negative so much that it can degrade also another person. It depends on your quality to be upgraded or degraded. So marriage is a very big blessing in Sahaja Yoga because all the Gods and all the angels are watching these marriages and they will see to it that these marriages are successful. But if you are bent upon making them unsuccessful because you still have the same kind of an awareness which you had before and you want to go to the same it can fail also. Like animals, you see: if you live with the animals even human beings can become like animals. So the Sahaja Yogis must know that their awareness is changed. They are different people. They have to live with Sahaja Yogis and not with other human beings who are not yet Realised. They can talk to them, but they must know that the Sahaja Yogis are at a very different level of awareness. If they realise this point, if they understand this simple point that their awareness is very different, they would adjust much better in married life. There’s no divorce in Sahaja Yoga. We do not think of a divorce but there’s nothing forced. I mean, if they fail to live together it’s a shame but, so far we have had no divorces. But as the people are coming from every sort of culture and things, there is a possibility that people may like to divorce legally. But in Sahaja Yoga there is nothing like divorce. But there’s no force on anyone. And one must try to understand marriage, that it is for your enjoyment. If you cannot enjoy the marriage then it is of no use to you. In Sahaja Yoga it is to be ensured that people enjoy their marriages, and live very well, happily, with each other. It is a responsibility of all the people in Sahaja Yoga. But, say in My case, own case, My husband was not a Realised-soul, nor did he understood realisation, nor was he a seeker. (A child comes: It would like to come to Me for sitting in My lap throughout!) And despite all that, you see, I didn’t get upset or anything, I didn’t push him. I didn’t push anyone. I said, “Gradually he will be able to see it through.” So even if the person, another person is not a Realised-soul one can manage it very well, and can live very happily. But in case you get both the people Realised then it’s a much better thing and should be enjoyed. But the interest should be in Sahaja Yoga. If you have other interests then there could be problems because a Sahaja Yogi would not tolerate his wife or a Sahaja Yogini would not tolerate her husband to waste his energy on nonsensical things. And a new sort of a conflict will start between Sahaja Yoga and the Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoginis. So it should never be a matter of conflict because we have so many ways and methods of finding out what’s the matter with us. And if there is anything wrong with us we should try to face it and clear it out. We should not try to clear each other’s chakras but our own. Actually we do not pay attention to ourselves, we start paying attention to others. Moreover, I must say that Sahaja Yoga marriages will be the most successful marriages, have to be. They may re-establish the institution of marriage on very sound basis. There’s no doubt about it. And those who’ll be married in Sahaja Yoga will be really remarkably happy married couples. But there will be an attack of the negativity on them as soon as they get married, because it is not a very happy thing for these negative forces to see that people are happily married. And they would try their level best to bring all sorts of problems, all sorts of complications in the beginning, to see that these marriages are broken. And when you start playing into their hands you will also be spoiling the chances of getting good Realised-souls to you, because they would not accept such a situation. If you have been quarrelling in the beginning also it’s not good, because you go down in their estimation. So you have to be very patient, very soft and good to each other, to see that you create an atmosphere of invitation for these great souls to come on this Earth. And if that is not so then they will wait, they will not incarnate because they don’t want to have parents who are quarrelling, who are fighting, who are suspecting, who are troubling each other. Now, one has to know that Sahaja Yoga marriage has a precise reason. It is not [that] you are marrying just out of fashion. You are marrying because you want to have children who are Realised-souls, on this Earth, to come. We give them a place, parentage to do that. And if you do not understand the value of that marriage then it is better not to be married in Sahaja Yoga. It’s better to spare the Sahaja Yoga! There’s only one snag in Sahaja Yoga is this, that you are all born of the same Mother so you are all brothers and sisters, in a way. But when you are going to marry each other then this point becomes a little funny that, how can a brother marry a sister? Now, we can say like that, that I would say that it would be better if you marry not in the same community, but marry from somewhere else. At the most a Sydney Sahaja Yogi should marry a Melbourne Sahaja Yogini. Some distance should be like that, so that it is kept like not brothers and sisters - should be better. But I have seen, when this happens, there is more conflict, because they still carry on with the idea that they are from Melbourne and another from Sydney. Now the Sydney and Melbourne should not be a matter of conflict, because as soon as they start quarrelling they’ll say, “Oh, you Melbournian, I know you are like that.” And she’ll say, “You Sydneyans, you are like that.” And immediately you become like that, and you start quarrelling about it. So you must know that you are not a Sydneyan or a Melbournian but you are nothing but a Sahaja Yogi. And Sahaja Yogi has no caste, community or any race, or any religion, or also no bar of any nation. Whatever nation you come from you are a Sahaja Yogi, you are a universal being. You are. You can feel the vibrations of anyone sitting down here. Whether he’s from Hawaii or from America doesn’t matter. So, when you can feel about everyone, that means you are no more belonging to any community or any particular country, you are a universal being. And that’s what we have to do, we have to create more universal beings. And to expedite that, we want to get these great souls on this Earth, so it’s a very important work. They have to be on this Earth, because they are the great channels for this divine work. Once they start descending on this Earth, the real ones, it will all expedite. It will be such a great, it will be such a great sudden explosion of Sahaja Yoga. You will be amazed how it can grow faster with these people coming down. And we should try to make such arrangements that we get the real blessings of those people, that they come down on this Earth. It’s very important. So I would request you to think about the marriage from a new angle and from new ideas by which you can really understand the value, the value of these marriages. And then you make it a successful marriage and not a failure, a nonsense, of it. That’s such a great simple thing to do because you are married before Realised-souls. So there is no question of being just married like other people are married and then they, they take a name-plate on their car saying ‘Just married’ and they are going to a divorce case. There cannot be such a thing for Sahaja Yog – it’s a serious thing. If you are not serious enough about it better not marry. If you have expectations about marriage it is better not to marry. It is better not to marry. Nobody is going to force you to marry. Just say, “No, not at all, I’m not going to.” But if you are going to go on like this you will really be harming Sahaja Yoga in the worst possible way. It is like stabbing Sahaja Yoga from the back. So there is no need for you to get married, in case you do not want to have it. On the contrary, it would be better that there are many married couples who can produce children, and they can have those great people born to them. But if you think that adjustment and all that means all kinds of these old ideas of married life, it’s better that you do not get married. It’s a new heavenly marriage, for which you should be prepared to receive the beauty and the blessings, and also the greatest of greatest, the ultimate meaning of it. I hope you will understand that Sahaja Yoga is emphasising on marriages, and we do not believe in any asceticism, the running away from family life. We believe that family life is the most important thing. We have to establish it very well on this Earth, and that we have to see, in these beautiful nests of divine love, that great souls are born, and we have to continue with it. There’s no escape from having a very good married life. And I wish you, all of you, that you will have a very good happy married life. And those who are not marrying I wish them that they also will have a very happy married life. Now I have been married- I think thirty-sixth year is this [of] My marriage today. There’re so many years have passed but still I still feel like a bride with My husband because really, we have been very wise people to live like that. And of course there are ups and downs, but ultimately one feels very different about the whole thing. He has sent a beautiful letter today, thanking you all for your kindness shown to Me, and for all the kindness you have shown to him. So we should have the puja, this today, as a Gruha Lakshmi you are worshipping Me. As a Gruha Lakshmi in you and which is very essential also, to worship Me as a Gruha Lakshmi, because you all have a problem with your Gruha Lakshmi. That’s the Left Nabhi. So I hope it will work out better for you, and we’ll start with the puja. After this short puja that we have, then we’ll start with this Devi havan, because this we have not been able to do so far, and this is very important. We have to somehow or other manage it today if possible. We should do thousand names. Would be a very good idea. Marathi Sahaja Yogi in background to Shri Mataji: Who should be the host? Shri Mataji: Do you need a deed to be the host, you can only do it. Before Christ, Brahmins were like tenants (‘भाडेकरी’). Sahaja Yogi: We are not tenants. Shri Mataji: Hence hosts were required, you can take it. (laughs in the background) Shri Mataji: What do we have to give by calling them (Brahmins)? Sahaja Yogi: It is better if someone from here conducts. Shri Mataji: Take someone new. Someone who is getting married, take them. English Sahaja Yogi in background: Kuno (calling out a Sahaja Yogi), both of you. Shri Mataji: Who else is getting married? Sahaja Yogi in background: Who else? Shri Mataji: You also. Marathi Shri Mataji: You come and sit here in the front, how else will it be done? English For Modi you have to give him something there. Marathi Shri Mataji: Take it a bit forward and sit. There must be something small to spread. Marathi Shri Mataji: Did you sit? Marathi Shri Mataji: Do you want anything? Sahaja Yogi: No, I don’t need anything else. Marathi Shri Mataji: Do like this, first start with Ganapati puja. Give it in my hand the puja (offerings). You have the Ganapati (puja offerings) with you. Sahaja Yogi: Shri Keshavaya, Shri Krishna’s names should we recite? Shri Mataji: It is not required. Sahaja Yogi: We will take Ganapati’s names. Shri Mataji: Ganapati puja in our way, we are prepared for it. Sahaja Yogi: Atharvasheesha. Shri Mataji: Yes, Atharvasheesha. Mataji’s feet needs to be washed, arrange for the water. Do one thing, you Raulbai (yogi’s name) sit here and you should recite. Means what will happen that if you get up and recite, then they all will be able to hear you and Raulbai can here instruct what needs to be done. Will it be possible for you? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, it will be possible. Shri Mataji: No, No I was asking Raulbai. What needs to be done is to ask them to put water and other things. Sahaja Yogi: Will put water and other things. We need to tell them about ‘panchamrut’. Shri Mataji: ‘Panchamrut’ give it to the hand, put it on the feet. Sahaja Yogi: Like you say. Shri Mataji: On the hand. Sahaja Yogi: And on the hand... Shri Mataji: Have you brought the red cloth? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, red is there here and here is the green and.. Shri Mataji: Ok let us start. Sahaja Yogi: Also on the hand, we have to do the puja of Bhagwati, right? Shri Mataji: Yes, on the hand Bhagwati. Let us start. It can be of Lakshmi, Mahalakshmi as well. Sahaja Yogi: We have the Mahalakshmi stotra with us. Shri Mataji: Yes, Mahalakshmi stotra is there. It will not take much time. It should be completed in 5-10 minutes. Sahaja Yogi: Ok. Marathi Shri Mataji: Tell the meaning, is it possible a little bit? Sahaja Yogi: If we tell the meaning, it will quite some time. Shri Mataji: No, no, till such time they will do it. Till such time they will be washing the feet. Sahaja Yogi: You can let it be, you can tell them about (continuing to) wash the feet. Shri Mataji: Ok, you can stand up, stand up and also tell them the meaning of it. Means, they should know the meaning. Is it possible? Sahaja Yogi: I will tell as much as possible. Shri Mataji: Ok, tell as much as possible. You can stand up. Sahaja Yogi: I will stand up and explain. Sanskrit Sahaja Yogi: Harne Shri Mataji – Harne means who takes away all the problems. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: I will complete this shloka and then explain. Shri Mataji – Ok. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Means when the whole universe will be destroyed, even then he will there. He is there even at the time of destruction. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Means ‘chatvari vak-padani’, all the four types of speech which is there, that is ‘Para’, ‘Pashyanti’ ‘Madhyama’, ‘Vaikhari’, these are also governed by him. (Meaning of the four types of speeches ‘Para’ is the word form Parmeshwar i.e. knowing the word Brahman is called Para, it is related to Param. ‘Pashyanti’ - Words are seen in Pashyanti. As the seer of the mantra, the sage Maharishis saw the mantras. Be seen what is being said. ‘Madhyama’ - Those words which are not pronounced, which no one can hear, like the name is chanted. ‘Vaikhari’ - The pronunciation of words that are expressed which someone else can hear is called Baikhari.) Marathi Shri Mataji: What is it (the shloka)? Ganadim.. what? Sahaja Yogi reciting the shloka: ‘Ganadim purvam uchcharya’ means who are all the ganas? Their.. Shri Mataji: Gana or Gan? Sahaja Yogi: ‘Ganadim’ Shri Mataji: ‘Ganadim’ Sahaja Yogi reciting the shloka: ‘Ganadim purvam uchcharya’ ‘Varnadim tad-anantaram’. Firstly we have described who all their gana (all celestial beings on the left hand side), these are all their gana and now what is his character (‘वर्ण’), his character means ‘Aumkar’, is what it means. Sahaja Yogi: ‘Varnadim tad-anantaram’ Shri Mataji: Explain to them in English. Marathi Shri Mataji: Means whatever characters (‘वर्ण’) has been created on this earth, all the ‘varnas’ have been created after him. Marathi Shri Mataji: ‘Anu-swaraha’? Sahaja Yogi: ‘Anu-swaraha’ means a point, means the state of a point. Shri Mataji: But they will not understand it in English. Sahaja Yogi: Now we will not be able to explain this state in English. Marathi Shri Mataji: (Mentioning the three states) ‘Ardha Bindu’, “Bindu’, ‘Valaya’. Sahaja Yogi: ‘Tarena Riddham’. The power to gage (‘तारण’) is also his. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: In this way you are in the form of a comma. Marathi Shri Mataji: Can you see that? Marathi Shri Mataji: Generally, we can only see the bhoots (pointing to the sky) Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Now it is a description. ‘Gakārah purva-rūpam’. Now I don’t know how to explain ‘Gakārah’, I am not able to understand. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Akāro madhyama rūpam’. Means it is the description of ‘Aumkar’. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: After that, last of all is the form of a dot (’Bindurup’). Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Uttara’ means the north direction. This is the meaning of ‘Bindur-uttara-rūpam’. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Nādah sandhānam, saṁhitā sandhih’. Now if you have to know this through the sound (‘Nādah’). Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Now how to explain ‘Gayatri’ – ‘Gāyatrī-chhandah’. How to explain ‘Chhandah’? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Again in the ‘Chhandah’ there is ‘Gayatri’. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Chhandah’? Shri Mataji: ‘Chhandah’, ‘Chhandah’ is a re-oratory, is it? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: No, ‘Chhandah’ means there is a wire along with the ‘Chhandah’, means Music. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Ni-chṛid Gāyatrī-chhandah’ means there is ‘Chhandah’ of ‘Gayatri’ in it. ‘Chhandah’ of ‘Gayatri’ means Ganesha. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: ‘Aum Gam Ganapataye namah’. In this now Gayatri is explained. In this mantra what is the correlation between Gayatri and Ganapati, is what is explained that ‘Aum Gam Ganapataye namah’. Marathi Shri Mataji: How to awaken? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Reading the shloka ‘Radam cha varadam hastair’. ‘Varada hastha’ means he is offering the hand… Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Reading the shloka ‘Bibhrānam Mūshaka-dhvajam’ – Now (thinking how to explain this).. A mouse is his carrier…. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Reading the shloka ‘Yogino’ means ‘Ye na jayate iti yogaha’ – means the connection through which you know the divine.. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Reading the shloka ‘Shivasutaya’ means The Son of Shiva. Marathi Shri Mataji: No, it is that they know the meaning of Shiva. You know Shiva, you know. Marathi Shri Mataji: of blessings.. you are the statue of blessings. Is it over now? Marathi Shri Mataji: Now tell something about the Goddess (‘Devi’) Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Now for the Goddess (‘Devi’) means, should I recite Devi’s Mahalakshmi Stotra? Marathi Shri Mataji: No, is there the other one? Anything that is recited for the Devi normally. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: There are many for the Devi in here. Shri Mataji: You can recite that the Gods praised the (Goddess) Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Yes.. The Shlokas ‘Ya Devi Sarva Bhuteshu…’ Marathi Shri Mataji: Along with it.. Sahaja Yogi: The Gods have praised is very special. Shri Mataji: Yes, very special. Do we have its translation in English? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Which stanzas are to be recited? Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Yes, the Devi Stuti is there after the killing of the Mahishasura. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: No, when the Gods prayed to Vishnu to create.. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Ratri Suktam, it is this only right? Shri Mataji: Yes this is it. Sahaja Yogi: Yes that only. Sahaja Yogi: Yes I have opened the same only. Marathi Shri Mataji: Now you will tell right how it was created? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Marathi Shri Mataji: Is it there in Hindi? Sahaja Yogi: It is there in Hindi. Shri Mataji: Is the translation in Marathi? Sahaja Yogi: I will recite the translation. Marathi Shri Mataji: Do the translation. Sahaja Yogi: I will translate it. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: I will only recite the translation now. Sahaja Yogi: Only the translation is there now. Shri Mataji: Tell. I will tell. Marathi Shri Mataji: Now let us start reciting the next one, the other, let us take any other one. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: We will take the Mahalakshmi Stotram. Shri Mataji: Take the Mahalakshmi one. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: It will be difficult to translate this one. Shri Mataji: Ha.. Sahaja Yogi: It will be difficult to translate this one. Marathi Shri Mataji: Translation is difficult? Sahaja Yogi: It is difficult. Shri Mataji: It is not there? Sahaja Yogi: Ha.. Shri Mataji: Then leave it. We can do it later. Marathi Shri Mataji: It is very easy, there is no need to hurry. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: I will tell by myself first, I will first recite it. Shri Mataji: First recite it. Marathi Shri Mataji: Only take this out in the other thing. Marathi Shri Mataji: What are we going to get by teaching? Why do it? Marathi Shri Mataji: Keep this down. Keep it down, take it like this in your hand and put it in my ‘Oti’. Take now in your hand. Marathi Shri Mataji: Take that, take that out, take that in your hand and tell to put it in my ‘Oti’. It is done. Marathi Shri Mataji: The fruits are there, put it in that. Marathi Shri Mataji: It is all mixed in this. Marathi Shri Mataji: Now put this in it. Marathi Shri Mataji: These are people are great. Marathi Shri Mataji: is it done? If it done then I will tie these threads. Marathi Shri Mataji: But not for the head right? Is there one for the head? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, there is for head as well. Shri Mataji: It is there ok. Marathi Shri Mataji: It is ok if you put it on another finger. In this there is not much there for you. Marathi Shri Mataji: You all have given me so much respect today, that itself is sufficient. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Where we would get this? Sahaja Yogi: It is all by your grace Shri Mataji. Sahaja Yogi: Without your grace nothing will happen. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Without your grace it is not possible. How will we on our own give you the respect? Marathi Shri Mataji: We should tell these people that they should not step out of Shri Mataji’s grace. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Yesterday that is what we spoke. Sahaja Yogi: Yesterday that is what we spoke all important things were told. Marathi Shri Mataji: Put a cloth here. Keep a red cloth here. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: It will have to be cut. Shri Mataji: No, it is not there. Sahaja Yogi: The cloth is there here. Marathi Shri Mataji: The audio is not clear to translate Marathi Sahaja Yogi: Should we tell these people Marathi Shri Mataji: You can lay this all there up with it. Marathi Sahaja Yogi: I have got all of these laid down, only we have to ask these people to step aside.

4/7/1981

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Shri Lalita Havan

Australia

Sydney

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Havan

English

Talk after Shri Lalita Havan. Sydney (Australia), 7 April 1981. [Whether] it is [seen?]. It is this when the Holy Ghost came in the form of the cold breeze. Like this. (H.H Shri Mataji blows air into and mike and everyone laughs) [The Power? had] [left no doubt].Now I have blessed you all. But the problem is, if it is a formless and there is nobody to decode. There has to be a decoding, explaining, isn't it? And that's how there are lots of mistakes committed by them also. Because they didn't understand that blessing should be their capacity, their vision and dream about it. But to communicate, with the people to communicate with the Spirit, to understand the Kundalini the vibrations and their different decodings and all that. The Holy Spirit had to come with a mouth and with a voice and with an intelligence that is intelligible to you with the knowledge and everything. Otherwise, it is not possible to communicate. And that's why somebody has to come and you have to just recognize. Recognition is the best way of understanding the powers that are given to you. You have been given powers, no doubt. But these powers, even if somebody gets realization like Buddha got realization he thought that there is no God. He did not believe in God because he just got realization through a formless uhh formless wind you can say. And he just did not know, he even did not talk about Kundalini, he did not talk of God also. And he started talking only of the self. Somebody has to be there to give you the complete picture. You get realization you get vibrations but then what? What about the (UNCLEAR complete). For that, the Holy Ghost had to take form. Alright. May God Bless you. Thank you very much. I thank all Australians. (UNCLEAR)

Talk after Shri Lalita Havan. Sydney (Australia), 7 April 1981. [Whether] it is [seen?]. It is this when the Holy Ghost came in the form of the cold breeze. Like this. (H.H Shri Mataji blows air into and mike and everyone laughs) [The Power? had] [left no doubt].Now I have blessed you all. But the problem is, if it is a formless and there is nobody to decode. There has to be a decoding, explaining, isn't it? And that's how there are lots of mistakes committed by them also. Because they didn't understand that blessing should be their capacity, their vision and dream about it. But to communicate, with the people to communicate with the Spirit, to understand the Kundalini the vibrations and their different decodings and all that. The Holy Spirit had to come with a mouth and with a voice and with an intelligence that is intelligible to you with the knowledge and everything. Otherwise, it is not possible to communicate. And that's why somebody has to come and you have to just recognize. Recognition is the best way of understanding the powers that are given to you. You have been given powers, no doubt. But these powers, even if somebody gets realization like Buddha got realization he thought that there is no God. He did not believe in God because he just got realization through a formless uhh formless wind you can say. And he just did not know, he even did not talk about Kundalini, he did not talk of God also. And he started talking only of the self. Somebody has to be there to give you the complete picture. You get realization you get vibrations but then what? What about the (UNCLEAR complete). For that, the Holy Ghost had to take form. Alright. May God Bless you. Thank you very much. I thank all Australians. (UNCLEAR)

5/4/1981

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Talk before Sahasrara Puja Day: Heart must be kept absolutely clean

England

London

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Sahasrara

English

Sahasrara Puja - Chelsham Road, London (UK), 4 May 1981 …Such a pleasure to come back to you all. I was looking forward to it. I received all your letter and greeting and all that you told. It was so loving and so encouraging to know about your progress here and when I was really working very, very, very, very hard, I used to think of you and I would put this idea into my mind that a day will come when the prophecy of William Blake must come. I went to Australia and I was amazed the way miracles took place in that country. It is said that in the Puranas there was a saint called Thrissanku, who committed some mistake, little mistake and he was sent as the Southern Cross hanging in the air and was told that you must create your own heaven. And really Australia is heaven, no doubt, but it’s Mooladhara. It is Mooladhara. The people are of course getting all the ideas, over read, as we are here. We have accepted all these also wrong ideas quite a lot. But somehow I feel it still in the heart of heart, they feel that this may not be correct way of life and they still feel that some off the things we do is not absolutely perfect or is not the thing that we really [unclear]. There are all sorts of gurus in Australia, all sorts of people who have got it. But basically they do not accept now people who come there and preach absurd things without any [unclear] to the ancient scriptures and things. So they are traditional people in a way, as far as their religious ideas are concerned. But they are very, very open-minded, for example, the first miracle that took place was that there was a lady who was an actress, who was very sick. She got her paralysis attack or some sort of thing like that and the doctor said that she will not be cured. She will die maybe next day and there is no possibility of her getting cured. So the friend of hers, who is a very big journalist, he came to a homeopath who is a Sahaj yogi, and asked if she could help with homeopathy. So she said I can’t help you with homeopathy, only thing I have got is – ‘photograph’, which you can take it and put it under her pillow and maybe this might work. So he took the photograph because she was a [unclear], there was nothing to be questioned, and put it under her pillow and next day she opened her eyes. And they couldn’t believe it. And as usual doctors said, ‘oh must be this - must be that, use see, (laughter). She should not she should not in any case survive, because in any case her brain is damaged, no doubt, we have seen it that her brain is damaged. But next day she started talking. They couldn’t believe it that she is talking, that means that her brain alright. She improved gradually. But all this click a different atmosphere, a very different atmosphere for Sahaja Yoga, because the one, the friend who was her friend, the one who was very much interested in her here, was a man who is very highly placed in journalism, though he is not a Sahaja Yogi or anything but he sent a journalist to me, to our program, he and his wife, who is the president of journalist association in Australia, got realisation. And that really clicked the whole thing. So these medias can be also use and they can be used you can also do lot of things. But at the helm of affairs we should have people who are not arrogant, are mild. You can say people who are humble, humble enough to understand Sahaja Yoga. Of cause as usual there were some encounters. One of them was ‘twice born’ had come. So they came to fight with me, twice born. And this is actually... Twice born, this has come from America. When I went to America last time, they had told me that I must get all my lectures registered and all that kind of a copyright I must keep. I said to her, ‘why should I keep it like that?’ They said, ‘no, no, no, then they will use your lectures’. I said, ‘let them use it, after all, realisation I have to give it in any case. They can’t give realisation. So when I said there that ‘you have to be born again, you are to be twice born. They started an organisation called ‘twice born’. (Laughter) There are so many, like ‘true vibrations’ all sorts of organisations have started, in America on those lines. So this twice born came to fight with me, saying that, what is your authority? I said, ‘what is your authority?’ ‘My authority is bible’. I said, ‘alright, what is authority of bible? They said authority of bible is Christ. I said, ‘Christ never wrote bible’. He never wrote it, he had nothing to do with bible. He never wrote it. Laughter! So they never knew how to answer me…laughter! They said, ‘still you must have an authority. I have, I will prove my authority. Firstly of all you tell me, your authority to ask these questions. [Unclear] they said…you know if I am Alpha and omega. I said, he is he is but you don’t accept it. You believe in Christianity alright, because you were born in it. If you were born a Hindu, you would have been born a Hindu, because you are a type who would belong to something somehow. I said to him, that he was the omega and he was the alpha. Then they started attacking this that, somehow everybody threw them out and it was over. It was very interesting because so many people got realisation and they came to programs that we had, so called seminars. In the open we arranged seminars, because we had no place to go too, with 500 - 600 people. So, so there is one gentleman who has a big house, which has got a big compound. So we invited them, all of them there because [unclear]. And the whole [unclear] was there. It was like a sermon on the mount, sort of thing. So many of them sitting there and having their food and they talking and all that. So many people getting cured, it was really remarkable the way these people took such interest and came all the way and from the first time they had their realisation and every day they came for about seven days, every day, every evening they all came from all over the place. We had people from Tasmania who came down and we had people from [sounds like – Lybon], from New Zealand, from all over, we got people there. They came and stayed in the ashram. Ashram itself is another beautiful place. There’s a miraculous story, they say that, one day Meera rang me up to say that, they have already sold their house, we’ve got no place to go to. We can’t find a place to live in, because they were expecting some place to come through but there is no place available. I said alright now don’t worry tomorrow you will get the place. And she couldn’t believe it, how can that be. And they had told about two hundred agents, who said that, there is no such place available and we just can’t get you a place. And, when he, Terence, her husband had gone out and he was looking out for things and he came back home very tired so Meera said that, “Mother has told that tomorrow you going to get it. He said, ‘tomorrow’. Can it be possible? Said no there was a telephone call in the evening from somewhere and she gave the number. So he rang up in the morning to ask that number, what was it? It was from and agent. They said, we have found a place for you. If you want you can occupy it right now – (laughter). So the next day they moved into the house. Actually they did. And it is a beautiful place with fourteen bedrooms and a huge big hall. It’s a beautiful place. So that’s how they got it. So many things work out this way. And they said that not only that we have got the blessing but so many miraculous material things are happening that we are really surprised. But I’ve already told you that it is written that, ‘Yoga Kshema Vahaka’ – First you must get your yoga and that kshema will come afterwards. The wellbeing comes afterwards. Of course in the discussion it turned out to be something much more revealing when I was talking to people. So many things which I have not told you people or Indians so far, I told them about Christ. Shri Mataji: I hope you have received their tapes. Ha… Yogi: Not yet, they sending Shri Mataji: Have you heard them? Yogi: Not yet? Shri Mataji: What is [unclear] saying? I think you are going into thoughtless awareness isn’t it - that means I disturbed you. The thing I told them about Christ was this that everybody did something great for our awareness, like Moses, who brought in the idea of dharma. He gave us the idea of balance and we had Ebrahem and all these people. But Christ did the greatest thing in a way, because he came in at a point, which is the Agnya chakra where ego and superego cross each other. And, but really all these karma theories that was there, so far that you had to suffer your karmas, he came to counter act it, by saying that, ‘He died for our sins’. Means he can suck our karmas. So this theory of karma is over now because Christ is born. If Christ could be awakened in your agnya chakra then all your karmas, past karmas, all your sins, will be sucked by this awakening. But Christians, those who went to India, were stupid people. They wanted to extend the empire there, on their own, not of Christ. So they never communicate - I don’t know if they even saw what it meant – ‘dying for our sins’ what it had relation with karma theory. So when they went to India, they put Christ in such a funny way, that Indians would not accept, would not accept Him. And because of that, the integration of Christ’s life, with Indian philosophy could not take place. On the contrary, they repelled, completely repelled Him. And they could not understand Bible. They would not see it. That’s how Christ who came on this earth, for such a great purpose was to suck our karmas, was completely lost to them. And still so many gurus are talking about our karma theory and making full advantage of it. They are not aware that Christ came for this thing. He has already done it for us. Once your agnya is established and you get your Christ awakened within you, all your previous sins are sucked in. But the most unfortunate thing is that those who are supposed to be Christian nations have the worst agnya’s. This is the biggest tragedy is that they have forgotten the ‘Lord’s Prayer’, which is the mantra for our agnya. I think forgiving others is a very important thing. We must learn to forgive. All the time we must learn to forgive. That is the best way we can keep our agnya in control and our ego at its proper level. What right have you got to be not forgiving, because by not forgiving you are harming yourself. That’s why forgiving others is the only way we can really control our agnya. Even forgiving ourselves, we have to forgive ourselves and we have to forgive others. Today is a day, when I should be talking about Sahasrara. Because tomorrow is the day of Sahasrara and that is the greatest blessing of Sahaja Yoga after Christ’s advent. Even if He had sucked your sins, you are to be given realisation. Without realisation it has no meaning and so this Sahaja Yoga which is todays ‘MahaYoga’ came into being because you all have to be realised. You have to know yourself. The strength that is the Spirit; that is the only way we can know God. There is no other way that we can know God. We have to be our Spirit. The second thing that we in all the Christian nations have done is to forget our Spirit. It is a double catch. If the ego develops, it covers your heart. You can even become emotionless. When it covers your heart, then your heart becomes like a stone and the Spirit does not shine. All the time what you have to say, that ‘I’m the Spirit!’ All the realised souls have to say: “I’m the Spirit. I’m not this body, not this mind, nor this superego, none of these ‘uphadis’ [unsure of the spelling] as the call them’, but I’m the Spirit, the pure Spirit I am.” If you could recognise that part in you, that you are the Spirit, your realisation will be fully established. As long as you are identified with other things, this cannot be established. So first and foremost thing you have to recognise that you are the Spirit. You are not the thoughts which are overcrowding you. You are not the fears with which you suffer, you are not the ambitions with which you run, but you are that pure Spirit, which never changes, which is eternal, which is blissful, which is Sat-Chit-Anand. We all the Sahaja Yogis have to know, that we are the Spirit. This is the mantra that one has to recite for heart catch. If your heart is not clean, you can never get realisation. Anybody who comes with funny ideas about Me you have seen, he never gets realisation. You have to have clean heart. You have to cleanse your heart, that’s why I sometimes say that you have to put your guru into your heart, who will clean your heart. Just to clean your heart, as you employ a maid in the house, to clean your heart you can employ your mother for that purpose. Cleansing is My job, morning till evening I’m cleansing. That’s My name means also. But cleansing is such a big thing, such a big thing that, that brings forth everything else with it. If there is dust on the diamond, on any diamond which will be very expensive, you cannot see it! In the same way if your Spirit is clouded with doubts and fears, cunningness, then your Spirit cannot shine. Now, it is such a vicious circle that it is not easy to break. Even there your mind can cheat you. For Sahaja Yogi it is very easy, is to sit before My photograph, put your left hand here and one on your heart and say: I’m the Spirit. Mother, I’m the Spirit. Can you try that now? Just put it and say it together. Yogis say out aloud: ‘Mother, I’m the Spirit’, again ‘Mother, I’m the Spirit’, once more, ‘Mother, I’m the Spirit’ again, ‘Mother, I’m the Spirit’. Better? And a humbler way could be also: ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’ Yogis say out aloud: ‘Mother, am I the Spirit’, ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’, ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’, ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’ See now… Now, Sahasrara breaking took place on the 5th of May 1970. I was just pushed into it. Then I said one has to now break it. And if you see a very thin line of Kundalini really breaks the Sahasrara through the heart chakra. Here is the heart chakra. Through the heart chakra point only it breaks. If your heart is not clean, it will not break. So the first and the foremost thing is your Shiva Tattwa, is your heart. Heart must be kept absolutely clean. There should be nothing, that is doubting, that is confused, that is angry, that is ambitious, that is afraid of; nothing of that kind should be in the heart. Just be confident. Just leave it into the hands of God. Because that is the point where the Kundalini breaks it and if that point is heavy, you can never break the Sahasrara. Then it happens, it’s such a vicious circle again sets in, those people who have a bad heart, they come to Me and they cannot get their realisation. So they have an additional chance to attack Me by saying: ‘We never got the realisation, we never felt the vibrations, so how is it, that You are this?’ Because already your heart is dirty, you see. It starts there emitting manifesting its Spirit. And it goes and adding up and adding up and then they can build up a big story against Me. But the main thing is you have to come to ask for something so great. You have to be, have a heart which is humble, steadfast and also proud of it self. Because in this heart is the Spirit which is going to be enshrined. But what do I do about your realisation. My heart is very pure, absolute purity. There is not even the slightest ripple of anything else but love for you. Even if I get angry it is out of love. Even if I say something sometimes harshly, it is out of love, to keep you out of troubles. But, in My heart there is nothing but pure love, pure love. And this pure love is the pure Vidya, is the pure knowledge. Is the pure knowledge, is pure Vidya. The complete technique of purity it knows. How does the water purify you? Do you know the technique what the water does to you? The complete technique of purity resides in the heart and how do I give you realisation is to put you in My heart. Bathe you there nicely. Have you seen crocodiles? Laughter! Crocodiles have - are very ferocious – but when they hatch their eggs, they take all the little, little crocodiles in their big mouth you see and you should see the eyes of the crocodile, like it is full of love and all such… Laughter! … as the children hatch. And the crocodile then put the mouth inside the water and cleanses them like this. Laughter! First thing I do is to give you birth in My heart and then cleanse you there in My heart, and then take you through My Sahasrara. I give you your second birth. Many people ask, ‘that what happens to our karma and this?’ I say, I cleanse it! It has to be cleansed. So many people have asked one question so many times, that how is it that Kundalini is such a difficult thing and how is it, You can do so well? I say, there must be something special about Me. I need not tell them who I am. If I say Adi Shakti they say some sort of a (inaudible) woman, see who is about to Adi Shakti or else Shakti itself – power itself is horrifying and then on top of that is ‘Adi Shakti’. But this is the Adi Shakti of love which is beyond human conception. Only by its power you can recognise it and understand it. How it cleanses you. That’s how people get cured. They don’t know how they get cured. Just with a photograph under your pillow. There is another actress in India who is getting cured, a very famous actress, with Sahaj Yoga. Just they can’t understand and they cannot explain. But this is a pure knowledge of cleansing which is built in that photograph, built in! It knows vibrations. It knows everything. The whole technique is built inside. Once you have the vibrations, you don’t have to learn any technique, it works out by itself. It is very subtle. It is complete Brahma Shakti. It is a very powerful, very penetrating, very understanding – but it has all its knowledge built in itself. It’s the Shuddha Vidya, is the pure knowledge. When you say Nirmala Vidya is also the same. It is immaculate. It cannot be compared with anything else. The technique is so perfect, that it never fails. It knows all the permutations and combinations. It knows how to work it out. One has to enter into the kingdom of God to see the working of all these techniques. That is why it was necessary to open the Sahasrara of people. Otherwise everything is Greek and Latin for people who listen to all these great prophets and to great Avataras, they thought they were talking trough their hats. I mean that nowadays we talk through our hats only. Because Sahasrara is there and through Sahasrara we hear and we talk. To break the Sahasrara was very important. Of course you were also ready to receive it. The time had come. Mutual understanding was there and it worked out. It’s a tremendous thing that has happened. It should work out in England. I should be here on this day because as I have told you before, England is the heart, heart of the Universe. So we should see what’s wrong with us. Very important for us to see as English people, living in England, what’s wrong with us, with our heart, because we are responsible for this great happening, because only through heart…. [Tape one ends here] [Tape Two starts here]… political structure and as an individual. Because if the English could clear the atmosphere of England, it would be very easy to click the Sahaja Yoga throughout the world and that is why the responsibility of English is much more. One good thing has started after my visit to Australia; people have started donating land to us. Now we have got a plot of land in [unsure], Bombay, very near there about, I think, about fifty miles away from Bombay. We’ve got another plot of land of seven acres which was donated to us. There is also possibility of us getting a bigger land of twenty five acres, which some of you have seen, along the River Neda. And also there is a possibility of getting another nice land of seven acres in Pune. In Delhi they have offered us a very, very beautiful land along a lake and a beautiful surroundings of a forest, very much near the river Yamuna. So now, my visit to Australia has materialised but my stay in England must materialise, other thing is the cleansing. First of all let us all start from our individual, our individual hearts and then try to expand it. Every time, what I find is this that whatever you are supposed to do, you do just the opposite. Like ‘liver’, as I said is Europe and liver breaks the most of it. They produced the best wines; they’re experts in the wines. The ‘liver’, liver produces the wines. You see this is the best part – (Laughter). If you imagine, if you imagine distillery in your liver, what will happen. So the liver has become the distillery. This is very surprising. Now, this is the heart – heart has to be large, heart has to express and one has to be large hearted. So you have become small hearted. A man with a heart is very courageous, very bold, very hard working. Here we have lots of fears and problems and poets like Lord Byron – (Laughter!) Our idea of universality is so limited that we think we live somewhere away from the rest of the world and we are just here and we should not be touched by anybody else. This is our heart, with the heart has to circulate all over the world and gather all the filth of the world and cleansed it. You have gathered the filth alright but cleansing part…Laughter! Circulation they have done alright – They have been up to China, they have been up to every place. I mean every, every nook and corner they have reached you see, with their little heart. But when they have gathered all that with them, they don’t know how to cleanse it. That they better do it, this is their job. So this test you should put to all your problems here and you’ll be amazed the heart needs cleansing, enlargement of the heart, greatness of the heart, the health of the heart and the all-compassing forgiveness of the heart. And ego is the worst enemy of heart, is the worst enemy. If anything gives you heart attack – it is your ego. And you have egos of various types. All kinds of egos can be found here. (Laughter) All kinds see as you can find all kinds of wines in England. So we have to also know what kind of food we require for this heart to be kept cleansed. First of all we must develop a heart which has sweet feelings for others, understanding for others, generosity for others. It is not reading the novel that you get there, but an understanding of a heart that loves, that cares for you. It may quarrel with someone, may be jealous of someone, maybe that, but you love from the heart. You can never see that person being harmed by any chance. All the wealth of the world, all the ego of the world you will deny to give your love. The love giving capacity has to be increased and nourished by things that talk about generosity [unclear], like save the power business is useless. Save the heart you should start with. You have to save the heart because it is you the English who are going to save the heart of the universe. So the Sahaja Yogis will have to have very large heartedness. Very clean heart. There should be no cunningness. No cunningness in the heart. Well you know English have been the most cunning race all over the world. People know about war, if there is an Englishmen - had it! (Laughter) Only somebody who can beat English is Indian (Laughter). They know how to out beat you. There is a big competition. I don’t know which one wins. But if it comes to Indians, they can out beat it. Now the latest is the guru system. From here the English went and all the Western people went to raid all the developing countries. So the greatest of greatest, our India, has created such cunning people, absolutely cunningness, that they be fooled you very nicely. All the English went nicely be-fooled and all the Americans and all the Australians. All of them put together could not find a few cunning people from India. So I should say for the time being they have an upper hand. Maybe the English today with their clean heart develops such a sharp such a sharp edge to their intelligence that they can expose all these people and cleanse the minds of the people who have been fogged by the mesmerism of this cunning people. So one has to realise that every action has a reaction, but the reaction comes the way the reactor is. Like the Indians are cunning but sly. English are cunning but intelligent. So they do it in such an intelligent way you see, they’ll cut your throat and not even a single drop of blood will fall out. They know all the laws and regulations, how to cut the throat of a person. But the Indians, they will not even cut your throat and you will become mad. Just they know how to do it, they even more dangerous and subtler. I mean, I don’t know, they might have got first initiations from English and now they are teaching their gurus, like that I believe. The cunning they all learnt, there is now end to it. And for everything they have an argument and a suggestion, whatever it is. You will be happy to know that one of them - Ravana has got a paralytic attack now and he has got a broken neck and he is lying in a hospital secretly. So that’s one thing that’s already been done. Now, today is a day of very great celebration, very great celebration, because it celebrates the rebirth of the universe. It is nice to celebrate the great advent of great people and their birth dates and all that. Like we celebrate Christmas, we celebrate the birth date of Nanaka and all these people – is great, no doubt. But this is the greatest when every human being needs to be reborn, such a great thing. It is a very great day and an event when all the humans being were promised to get their realisation. Without that we would never have known the spirit. We would never have known God Almighty. We would never have known the love that is the meeting all of you. We would never have felt that love, that power that controls the whole universe. You would have been blind and blind and blind. So this is one of the greatest days that we have to celebrate with great joy and happiness because it celebrates the emancipation, the evolution and the rebirth of the humanity. For the advents and all these great incarnations do not need any rebirth. They are permanently just the same, they are permanently chiefs. There’s no change in them, nothing. So what is there to celebrate their birthday, I don’t understand, every year they are just the same, their age is just the same, they remain the same. What is a birthday, they never grow, they never mature, they over matured already. But it is a great thing that you all should jump into that great realm of Divinity, that you should know about the all-pervading power and that you should become aware of that flow of the power through you. Without this everything is useless. Everything is darkness. Everything is confusion and relative. So let us all really today celebrate for other Sahaja Yogis who have received realisation, all over the world. They are all putting their attention to you and today they are all doing their pujas in their own places. We have to think of them because all of you are one, connected with each other in love and in common bondage of your Mother. May God Bless you! “Can I have some water?” As desired by you, we already got a video. Video tape, did you get the video tape, did you get it? Yogi: Yes, yes, [unsure] Australia, it’s all coming… Shri Mataji: From Hong Kong, imagine in Hong Kong the Chinese are great people. Chinese are tremendous. I mean they have our traditions, Indian traditions. I mean they are very traditional people, and they are westernised as far as other things are concerned. I mean there is a big palace, Chinese have a big palace and they have not lost their aesthetics as Indians have lost. You they have all your labour class aesthetics. Indians have plastics and nylons you see, but not Chinese. Chinese have maintained their aesthetics, I was surprised. Any questions? Bala, I am so sorry for the whole thing. But we have done a good job, I must say. We have done a good job. I tell you because we had no communication with you here. Phillip did not know any address, nothing. I did not know how to contact those people in Ceylon and we had already planned out to go to Hong Kong. All my plans as usual, were all upside down. You know this, it all works out this way. There was one lady called [unsure]. She came from Hong Kong and she wanted me to go to Hong Kong and just to give her lesson you see, it worked out that way. So what to do? They say there is no plane direct from Hong Kong now to come back to Singapore, if you have to go to Australia. So this was a big problem. We thought that better go Hong Kong and come back and then to Australia. Moreen was there Rahul’s wife was there, both of them went down. India has done one good thing; you are getting donations of land. This is something great. If we have no place we can at least pitch our tents there. (Laughter) What else…something? Yogi: Can we do your Puja? Shri Mataji: Hmm Yogi: Are we doing your puja? Shri Mataji: Puja, now, alright, let us have it.

Sahasrara Puja - Chelsham Road, London (UK), 4 May 1981 …Such a pleasure to come back to you all. I was looking forward to it. I received all your letter and greeting and all that you told. It was so loving and so encouraging to know about your progress here and when I was really working very, very, very, very hard, I used to think of you and I would put this idea into my mind that a day will come when the prophecy of William Blake must come. I went to Australia and I was amazed the way miracles took place in that country. It is said that in the Puranas there was a saint called Thrissanku, who committed some mistake, little mistake and he was sent as the Southern Cross hanging in the air and was told that you must create your own heaven. And really Australia is heaven, no doubt, but it’s Mooladhara. It is Mooladhara. The people are of course getting all the ideas, over read, as we are here. We have accepted all these also wrong ideas quite a lot. But somehow I feel it still in the heart of heart, they feel that this may not be correct way of life and they still feel that some off the things we do is not absolutely perfect or is not the thing that we really [unclear]. There are all sorts of gurus in Australia, all sorts of people who have got it. But basically they do not accept now people who come there and preach absurd things without any [unclear] to the ancient scriptures and things. So they are traditional people in a way, as far as their religious ideas are concerned. But they are very, very open-minded, for example, the first miracle that took place was that there was a lady who was an actress, who was very sick. She got her paralysis attack or some sort of thing like that and the doctor said that she will not be cured. She will die maybe next day and there is no possibility of her getting cured. So the friend of hers, who is a very big journalist, he came to a homeopath who is a Sahaj yogi, and asked if she could help with homeopathy. So she said I can’t help you with homeopathy, only thing I have got is – ‘photograph’, which you can take it and put it under her pillow and maybe this might work. So he took the photograph because she was a [unclear], there was nothing to be questioned, and put it under her pillow and next day she opened her eyes. And they couldn’t believe it. And as usual doctors said, ‘oh must be this - must be that, use see, (laughter). She should not she should not in any case survive, because in any case her brain is damaged, no doubt, we have seen it that her brain is damaged. But next day she started talking. They couldn’t believe it that she is talking, that means that her brain alright. She improved gradually. But all this click a different atmosphere, a very different atmosphere for Sahaja Yoga, because the one, the friend who was her friend, the one who was very much interested in her here, was a man who is very highly placed in journalism, though he is not a Sahaja Yogi or anything but he sent a journalist to me, to our program, he and his wife, who is the president of journalist association in Australia, got realisation. And that really clicked the whole thing. So these medias can be also use and they can be used you can also do lot of things. But at the helm of affairs we should have people who are not arrogant, are mild. You can say people who are humble, humble enough to understand Sahaja Yoga. Of cause as usual there were some encounters. One of them was ‘twice born’ had come. So they came to fight with me, twice born. And this is actually... Twice born, this has come from America. When I went to America last time, they had told me that I must get all my lectures registered and all that kind of a copyright I must keep. I said to her, ‘why should I keep it like that?’ They said, ‘no, no, no, then they will use your lectures’. I said, ‘let them use it, after all, realisation I have to give it in any case. They can’t give realisation. So when I said there that ‘you have to be born again, you are to be twice born. They started an organisation called ‘twice born’. (Laughter) There are so many, like ‘true vibrations’ all sorts of organisations have started, in America on those lines. So this twice born came to fight with me, saying that, what is your authority? I said, ‘what is your authority?’ ‘My authority is bible’. I said, ‘alright, what is authority of bible? They said authority of bible is Christ. I said, ‘Christ never wrote bible’. He never wrote it, he had nothing to do with bible. He never wrote it. Laughter! So they never knew how to answer me…laughter! They said, ‘still you must have an authority. I have, I will prove my authority. Firstly of all you tell me, your authority to ask these questions. [Unclear] they said…you know if I am Alpha and omega. I said, he is he is but you don’t accept it. You believe in Christianity alright, because you were born in it. If you were born a Hindu, you would have been born a Hindu, because you are a type who would belong to something somehow. I said to him, that he was the omega and he was the alpha. Then they started attacking this that, somehow everybody threw them out and it was over. It was very interesting because so many people got realisation and they came to programs that we had, so called seminars. In the open we arranged seminars, because we had no place to go too, with 500 - 600 people. So, so there is one gentleman who has a big house, which has got a big compound. So we invited them, all of them there because [unclear]. And the whole [unclear] was there. It was like a sermon on the mount, sort of thing. So many of them sitting there and having their food and they talking and all that. So many people getting cured, it was really remarkable the way these people took such interest and came all the way and from the first time they had their realisation and every day they came for about seven days, every day, every evening they all came from all over the place. We had people from Tasmania who came down and we had people from [sounds like – Lybon], from New Zealand, from all over, we got people there. They came and stayed in the ashram. Ashram itself is another beautiful place. There’s a miraculous story, they say that, one day Meera rang me up to say that, they have already sold their house, we’ve got no place to go to. We can’t find a place to live in, because they were expecting some place to come through but there is no place available. I said alright now don’t worry tomorrow you will get the place. And she couldn’t believe it, how can that be. And they had told about two hundred agents, who said that, there is no such place available and we just can’t get you a place. And, when he, Terence, her husband had gone out and he was looking out for things and he came back home very tired so Meera said that, “Mother has told that tomorrow you going to get it. He said, ‘tomorrow’. Can it be possible? Said no there was a telephone call in the evening from somewhere and she gave the number. So he rang up in the morning to ask that number, what was it? It was from and agent. They said, we have found a place for you. If you want you can occupy it right now – (laughter). So the next day they moved into the house. Actually they did. And it is a beautiful place with fourteen bedrooms and a huge big hall. It’s a beautiful place. So that’s how they got it. So many things work out this way. And they said that not only that we have got the blessing but so many miraculous material things are happening that we are really surprised. But I’ve already told you that it is written that, ‘Yoga Kshema Vahaka’ – First you must get your yoga and that kshema will come afterwards. The wellbeing comes afterwards. Of course in the discussion it turned out to be something much more revealing when I was talking to people. So many things which I have not told you people or Indians so far, I told them about Christ. Shri Mataji: I hope you have received their tapes. Ha… Yogi: Not yet, they sending Shri Mataji: Have you heard them? Yogi: Not yet? Shri Mataji: What is [unclear] saying? I think you are going into thoughtless awareness isn’t it - that means I disturbed you. The thing I told them about Christ was this that everybody did something great for our awareness, like Moses, who brought in the idea of dharma. He gave us the idea of balance and we had Ebrahem and all these people. But Christ did the greatest thing in a way, because he came in at a point, which is the Agnya chakra where ego and superego cross each other. And, but really all these karma theories that was there, so far that you had to suffer your karmas, he came to counter act it, by saying that, ‘He died for our sins’. Means he can suck our karmas. So this theory of karma is over now because Christ is born. If Christ could be awakened in your agnya chakra then all your karmas, past karmas, all your sins, will be sucked by this awakening. But Christians, those who went to India, were stupid people. They wanted to extend the empire there, on their own, not of Christ. So they never communicate - I don’t know if they even saw what it meant – ‘dying for our sins’ what it had relation with karma theory. So when they went to India, they put Christ in such a funny way, that Indians would not accept, would not accept Him. And because of that, the integration of Christ’s life, with Indian philosophy could not take place. On the contrary, they repelled, completely repelled Him. And they could not understand Bible. They would not see it. That’s how Christ who came on this earth, for such a great purpose was to suck our karmas, was completely lost to them. And still so many gurus are talking about our karma theory and making full advantage of it. They are not aware that Christ came for this thing. He has already done it for us. Once your agnya is established and you get your Christ awakened within you, all your previous sins are sucked in. But the most unfortunate thing is that those who are supposed to be Christian nations have the worst agnya’s. This is the biggest tragedy is that they have forgotten the ‘Lord’s Prayer’, which is the mantra for our agnya. I think forgiving others is a very important thing. We must learn to forgive. All the time we must learn to forgive. That is the best way we can keep our agnya in control and our ego at its proper level. What right have you got to be not forgiving, because by not forgiving you are harming yourself. That’s why forgiving others is the only way we can really control our agnya. Even forgiving ourselves, we have to forgive ourselves and we have to forgive others. Today is a day, when I should be talking about Sahasrara. Because tomorrow is the day of Sahasrara and that is the greatest blessing of Sahaja Yoga after Christ’s advent. Even if He had sucked your sins, you are to be given realisation. Without realisation it has no meaning and so this Sahaja Yoga which is todays ‘MahaYoga’ came into being because you all have to be realised. You have to know yourself. The strength that is the Spirit; that is the only way we can know God. There is no other way that we can know God. We have to be our Spirit. The second thing that we in all the Christian nations have done is to forget our Spirit. It is a double catch. If the ego develops, it covers your heart. You can even become emotionless. When it covers your heart, then your heart becomes like a stone and the Spirit does not shine. All the time what you have to say, that ‘I’m the Spirit!’ All the realised souls have to say: “I’m the Spirit. I’m not this body, not this mind, nor this superego, none of these ‘uphadis’ [unsure of the spelling] as the call them’, but I’m the Spirit, the pure Spirit I am.” If you could recognise that part in you, that you are the Spirit, your realisation will be fully established. As long as you are identified with other things, this cannot be established. So first and foremost thing you have to recognise that you are the Spirit. You are not the thoughts which are overcrowding you. You are not the fears with which you suffer, you are not the ambitions with which you run, but you are that pure Spirit, which never changes, which is eternal, which is blissful, which is Sat-Chit-Anand. We all the Sahaja Yogis have to know, that we are the Spirit. This is the mantra that one has to recite for heart catch. If your heart is not clean, you can never get realisation. Anybody who comes with funny ideas about Me you have seen, he never gets realisation. You have to have clean heart. You have to cleanse your heart, that’s why I sometimes say that you have to put your guru into your heart, who will clean your heart. Just to clean your heart, as you employ a maid in the house, to clean your heart you can employ your mother for that purpose. Cleansing is My job, morning till evening I’m cleansing. That’s My name means also. But cleansing is such a big thing, such a big thing that, that brings forth everything else with it. If there is dust on the diamond, on any diamond which will be very expensive, you cannot see it! In the same way if your Spirit is clouded with doubts and fears, cunningness, then your Spirit cannot shine. Now, it is such a vicious circle that it is not easy to break. Even there your mind can cheat you. For Sahaja Yogi it is very easy, is to sit before My photograph, put your left hand here and one on your heart and say: I’m the Spirit. Mother, I’m the Spirit. Can you try that now? Just put it and say it together. Yogis say out aloud: ‘Mother, I’m the Spirit’, again ‘Mother, I’m the Spirit’, once more, ‘Mother, I’m the Spirit’ again, ‘Mother, I’m the Spirit’. Better? And a humbler way could be also: ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’ Yogis say out aloud: ‘Mother, am I the Spirit’, ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’, ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’, ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’ See now… Now, Sahasrara breaking took place on the 5th of May 1970. I was just pushed into it. Then I said one has to now break it. And if you see a very thin line of Kundalini really breaks the Sahasrara through the heart chakra. Here is the heart chakra. Through the heart chakra point only it breaks. If your heart is not clean, it will not break. So the first and the foremost thing is your Shiva Tattwa, is your heart. Heart must be kept absolutely clean. There should be nothing, that is doubting, that is confused, that is angry, that is ambitious, that is afraid of; nothing of that kind should be in the heart. Just be confident. Just leave it into the hands of God. Because that is the point where the Kundalini breaks it and if that point is heavy, you can never break the Sahasrara. Then it happens, it’s such a vicious circle again sets in, those people who have a bad heart, they come to Me and they cannot get their realisation. So they have an additional chance to attack Me by saying: ‘We never got the realisation, we never felt the vibrations, so how is it, that You are this?’ Because already your heart is dirty, you see. It starts there emitting manifesting its Spirit. And it goes and adding up and adding up and then they can build up a big story against Me. But the main thing is you have to come to ask for something so great. You have to be, have a heart which is humble, steadfast and also proud of it self. Because in this heart is the Spirit which is going to be enshrined. But what do I do about your realisation. My heart is very pure, absolute purity. There is not even the slightest ripple of anything else but love for you. Even if I get angry it is out of love. Even if I say something sometimes harshly, it is out of love, to keep you out of troubles. But, in My heart there is nothing but pure love, pure love. And this pure love is the pure Vidya, is the pure knowledge. Is the pure knowledge, is pure Vidya. The complete technique of purity it knows. How does the water purify you? Do you know the technique what the water does to you? The complete technique of purity resides in the heart and how do I give you realisation is to put you in My heart. Bathe you there nicely. Have you seen crocodiles? Laughter! Crocodiles have - are very ferocious – but when they hatch their eggs, they take all the little, little crocodiles in their big mouth you see and you should see the eyes of the crocodile, like it is full of love and all such… Laughter! … as the children hatch. And the crocodile then put the mouth inside the water and cleanses them like this. Laughter! First thing I do is to give you birth in My heart and then cleanse you there in My heart, and then take you through My Sahasrara. I give you your second birth. Many people ask, ‘that what happens to our karma and this?’ I say, I cleanse it! It has to be cleansed. So many people have asked one question so many times, that how is it that Kundalini is such a difficult thing and how is it, You can do so well? I say, there must be something special about Me. I need not tell them who I am. If I say Adi Shakti they say some sort of a (inaudible) woman, see who is about to Adi Shakti or else Shakti itself – power itself is horrifying and then on top of that is ‘Adi Shakti’. But this is the Adi Shakti of love which is beyond human conception. Only by its power you can recognise it and understand it. How it cleanses you. That’s how people get cured. They don’t know how they get cured. Just with a photograph under your pillow. There is another actress in India who is getting cured, a very famous actress, with Sahaj Yoga. Just they can’t understand and they cannot explain. But this is a pure knowledge of cleansing which is built in that photograph, built in! It knows vibrations. It knows everything. The whole technique is built inside. Once you have the vibrations, you don’t have to learn any technique, it works out by itself. It is very subtle. It is complete Brahma Shakti. It is a very powerful, very penetrating, very understanding – but it has all its knowledge built in itself. It’s the Shuddha Vidya, is the pure knowledge. When you say Nirmala Vidya is also the same. It is immaculate. It cannot be compared with anything else. The technique is so perfect, that it never fails. It knows all the permutations and combinations. It knows how to work it out. One has to enter into the kingdom of God to see the working of all these techniques. That is why it was necessary to open the Sahasrara of people. Otherwise everything is Greek and Latin for people who listen to all these great prophets and to great Avataras, they thought they were talking trough their hats. I mean that nowadays we talk through our hats only. Because Sahasrara is there and through Sahasrara we hear and we talk. To break the Sahasrara was very important. Of course you were also ready to receive it. The time had come. Mutual understanding was there and it worked out. It’s a tremendous thing that has happened. It should work out in England. I should be here on this day because as I have told you before, England is the heart, heart of the Universe. So we should see what’s wrong with us. Very important for us to see as English people, living in England, what’s wrong with us, with our heart, because we are responsible for this great happening, because only through heart…. [Tape one ends here] [Tape Two starts here]… political structure and as an individual. Because if the English could clear the atmosphere of England, it would be very easy to click the Sahaja Yoga throughout the world and that is why the responsibility of English is much more. One good thing has started after my visit to Australia; people have started donating land to us. Now we have got a plot of land in [unsure], Bombay, very near there about, I think, about fifty miles away from Bombay. We’ve got another plot of land of seven acres which was donated to us. There is also possibility of us getting a bigger land of twenty five acres, which some of you have seen, along the River Neda. And also there is a possibility of getting another nice land of seven acres in Pune. In Delhi they have offered us a very, very beautiful land along a lake and a beautiful surroundings of a forest, very much near the river Yamuna. So now, my visit to Australia has materialised but my stay in England must materialise, other thing is the cleansing. First of all let us all start from our individual, our individual hearts and then try to expand it. Every time, what I find is this that whatever you are supposed to do, you do just the opposite. Like ‘liver’, as I said is Europe and liver breaks the most of it. They produced the best wines; they’re experts in the wines. The ‘liver’, liver produces the wines. You see this is the best part – (Laughter). If you imagine, if you imagine distillery in your liver, what will happen. So the liver has become the distillery. This is very surprising. Now, this is the heart – heart has to be large, heart has to express and one has to be large hearted. So you have become small hearted. A man with a heart is very courageous, very bold, very hard working. Here we have lots of fears and problems and poets like Lord Byron – (Laughter!) Our idea of universality is so limited that we think we live somewhere away from the rest of the world and we are just here and we should not be touched by anybody else. This is our heart, with the heart has to circulate all over the world and gather all the filth of the world and cleansed it. You have gathered the filth alright but cleansing part…Laughter! Circulation they have done alright – They have been up to China, they have been up to every place. I mean every, every nook and corner they have reached you see, with their little heart. But when they have gathered all that with them, they don’t know how to cleanse it. That they better do it, this is their job. So this test you should put to all your problems here and you’ll be amazed the heart needs cleansing, enlargement of the heart, greatness of the heart, the health of the heart and the all-compassing forgiveness of the heart. And ego is the worst enemy of heart, is the worst enemy. If anything gives you heart attack – it is your ego. And you have egos of various types. All kinds of egos can be found here. (Laughter) All kinds see as you can find all kinds of wines in England. So we have to also know what kind of food we require for this heart to be kept cleansed. First of all we must develop a heart which has sweet feelings for others, understanding for others, generosity for others. It is not reading the novel that you get there, but an understanding of a heart that loves, that cares for you. It may quarrel with someone, may be jealous of someone, maybe that, but you love from the heart. You can never see that person being harmed by any chance. All the wealth of the world, all the ego of the world you will deny to give your love. The love giving capacity has to be increased and nourished by things that talk about generosity [unclear], like save the power business is useless. Save the heart you should start with. You have to save the heart because it is you the English who are going to save the heart of the universe. So the Sahaja Yogis will have to have very large heartedness. Very clean heart. There should be no cunningness. No cunningness in the heart. Well you know English have been the most cunning race all over the world. People know about war, if there is an Englishmen - had it! (Laughter) Only somebody who can beat English is Indian (Laughter). They know how to out beat you. There is a big competition. I don’t know which one wins. But if it comes to Indians, they can out beat it. Now the latest is the guru system. From here the English went and all the Western people went to raid all the developing countries. So the greatest of greatest, our India, has created such cunning people, absolutely cunningness, that they be fooled you very nicely. All the English went nicely be-fooled and all the Americans and all the Australians. All of them put together could not find a few cunning people from India. So I should say for the time being they have an upper hand. Maybe the English today with their clean heart develops such a sharp such a sharp edge to their intelligence that they can expose all these people and cleanse the minds of the people who have been fogged by the mesmerism of this cunning people. So one has to realise that every action has a reaction, but the reaction comes the way the reactor is. Like the Indians are cunning but sly. English are cunning but intelligent. So they do it in such an intelligent way you see, they’ll cut your throat and not even a single drop of blood will fall out. They know all the laws and regulations, how to cut the throat of a person. But the Indians, they will not even cut your throat and you will become mad. Just they know how to do it, they even more dangerous and subtler. I mean, I don’t know, they might have got first initiations from English and now they are teaching their gurus, like that I believe. The cunning they all learnt, there is now end to it. And for everything they have an argument and a suggestion, whatever it is. You will be happy to know that one of them - Ravana has got a paralytic attack now and he has got a broken neck and he is lying in a hospital secretly. So that’s one thing that’s already been done. Now, today is a day of very great celebration, very great celebration, because it celebrates the rebirth of the universe. It is nice to celebrate the great advent of great people and their birth dates and all that. Like we celebrate Christmas, we celebrate the birth date of Nanaka and all these people – is great, no doubt. But this is the greatest when every human being needs to be reborn, such a great thing. It is a very great day and an event when all the humans being were promised to get their realisation. Without that we would never have known the spirit. We would never have known God Almighty. We would never have known the love that is the meeting all of you. We would never have felt that love, that power that controls the whole universe. You would have been blind and blind and blind. So this is one of the greatest days that we have to celebrate with great joy and happiness because it celebrates the emancipation, the evolution and the rebirth of the humanity. For the advents and all these great incarnations do not need any rebirth. They are permanently just the same, they are permanently chiefs. There’s no change in them, nothing. So what is there to celebrate their birthday, I don’t understand, every year they are just the same, their age is just the same, they remain the same. What is a birthday, they never grow, they never mature, they over matured already. But it is a great thing that you all should jump into that great realm of Divinity, that you should know about the all-pervading power and that you should become aware of that flow of the power through you. Without this everything is useless. Everything is darkness. Everything is confusion and relative. So let us all really today celebrate for other Sahaja Yogis who have received realisation, all over the world. They are all putting their attention to you and today they are all doing their pujas in their own places. We have to think of them because all of you are one, connected with each other in love and in common bondage of your Mother. May God Bless you! “Can I have some water?” As desired by you, we already got a video. Video tape, did you get the video tape, did you get it? Yogi: Yes, yes, [unsure] Australia, it’s all coming… Shri Mataji: From Hong Kong, imagine in Hong Kong the Chinese are great people. Chinese are tremendous. I mean they have our traditions, Indian traditions. I mean they are very traditional people, and they are westernised as far as other things are concerned. I mean there is a big palace, Chinese have a big palace and they have not lost their aesthetics as Indians have lost. You they have all your labour class aesthetics. Indians have plastics and nylons you see, but not Chinese. Chinese have maintained their aesthetics, I was surprised. Any questions? Bala, I am so sorry for the whole thing. But we have done a good job, I must say. We have done a good job. I tell you because we had no communication with you here. Phillip did not know any address, nothing. I did not know how to contact those people in Ceylon and we had already planned out to go to Hong Kong. All my plans as usual, were all upside down. You know this, it all works out this way. There was one lady called [unsure]. She came from Hong Kong and she wanted me to go to Hong Kong and just to give her lesson you see, it worked out that way. So what to do? They say there is no plane direct from Hong Kong now to come back to Singapore, if you have to go to Australia. So this was a big problem. We thought that better go Hong Kong and come back and then to Australia. Moreen was there Rahul’s wife was there, both of them went down. India has done one good thing; you are getting donations of land. This is something great. If we have no place we can at least pitch our tents there. (Laughter) What else…something? Yogi: Can we do your Puja? Shri Mataji: Hmm Yogi: Are we doing your puja? Shri Mataji: Puja, now, alright, let us have it.

5/10/1981

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“Organisation of Sahaja Yoga in England” Chelsham Road, 10th May 1980 ...A personality that everybody wants to follow, to become, to love. This would be very selfish to say that, “I am enjoying!” It’s something very funny. You see, some people are like that: self-certificated; again I call them. “Oh, I’m enjoying myself, I have no problems, you see, why should you worry?" This is all nonsense, absolute nonsense it is. It is that you are enjoying your ego then. But to enjoy yourself means you are enjoying everyone and everybody’s enjoying you; everybody likes you. You are not extreme neither too ritualistic. You are so flexible. You are adjustable. That’s like water, whatever you mix it with, it takes the colour. However you put it, it washes. If it appears in the eyes it makes you look beautiful. It’s like that. That’s the spiritual quality of a person. They have to be adjustable. In whatever way you are, people enjoy you and love you. Vibrations have improved. Alright? Don’t blame anyone for anything, not yourself [or] anyone. Enjoy! This is the time for enjoyment, not for blaming others, sitting down, sulking. No it’s for enjoyment. Good. Beautiful! Are you alright now? Good. Now put your hand towards me. Alright? Put your hands towards me straight. Be alert! Some people need alertness. Be alert! Look at children, how alert they are. When there’s an aeroplane going, they’ll all come and, "Bye-bye aeroplane, bye-bye aeroplane!" Now the aeroplane is gone, so that work is over. Then they come inside. Then they see something else then get into it.. You see, to them the whole world is their responsibility. The aeroplane is going: somebody must say bye-bye to the aeroplane! (Laughter) So all of them will come out and say, "Bye-bye, bye-bye!" And then they’ll come inside the house and then they’ll get very seriously involved into something else they were doing. Then they’ll pull out this and pull out that; put everything together. And whatever it is, you may call it a mess, but according to them they are constructing everything. They’re responsible for the whole world, you know! If they are realised-souls they are even greater. Every time they say something it’s so remarkable that really, the way they take attitudes towards things. Like this time, at my elder [granddaughter] Aradana came up to me and she said, “Did You ever study a very nonsensical subject called moral science?” I said, “No, never.” “You see, it is such a stupid subject nani, that you need not study at all. It’s horrible!” I said, “What do they teach you?” “They teach you ‘don’t steal! Now, do we steal? Are we servants or what? Why should we steal? Are we thieves? That’s tell us don‘t tell lies. Why should we tell lies?” So they are realised-souls, they can’t understand. They can’t understand, can you cunningness and all that. They said, “Why should they teach us like this? What is the need? I mean, everybody knows!” You see, it is like teaching somebody that food is good for your stomach, or something like that. According to them it is so essential. I mean, it is so much there, what is there to tell them. “This is a stupid subject of moral science!” So I said, “Alright, but supposing you have to deal with criminals, then you have to tell them, isn’t it? What is to be done and what is not to be done. So if you become teachers tomorrow you will have to tell criminals: ‘Don’t do it this.’” So the younger one says, “By telling anybody, do you think they’ll be alright? They‘ll punch your noses!” (laughter) The younger one, Anupama ‘aunty’! She said, “They‘ll punch your noses! No use telling them. It’s useless to tell them, ‘Don’t do, don’t do.’ They’re will do it. If you say, ‘Don’t kill.’, they’ll kill you, immediately!” So they said, “You should give them Realisation otherwise they will never listen to you, because how will they know that killing is bad?” “Because if you have vibrations,” this elder one tells me, “then you will know that you are losing vibrations, if you do like that, but otherwise how will they know?” See, look at that. I said, “But still supposing there are criminals, what should we do about them? If there are murderers, what should we do?" “They should be destroyed, no question!” I said, “Really?” See the other side of a person. I said, “Do you think that?” “If they do not want to take Realisation, they must be destroyed. If they want to take Realisation, well and good. Otherwise they have to be destroyed!” I say, “How do you destroy them?” So the younger one says, “All right, put them in the fishpond!” (laughter). So the elder one says, “But the fishes will be ruined. Think of the fishes! How can you put them to the fishes?” So the elder one says, “All right, is there any serpents who can devour people?” So I said, “There are serpents. But then, what about the serpents. They are already serpents. So these serpents can go to serpents, makes no difference, you see." So, I said then, “What do you do?” “You get a serpent,” they said, “Fix it to a machine. Machine is the best! Fix it to a machine. Keep the mouth wide open. Don’t touch them! Just shove them inside!” (laughter) “Because if you touch them, you will be spoiled.” You see, without any fear of any kind of violence - so innocently. “And then, when they become serpents, they will learn. Then they will come back. Then they’ll be better off and you can give them Realisation. Otherwise they have to become serpents.” You see, simple solutions. “But you don’t touch them. Nobody should touch them, they are serpents. No use teaching such stupid subjects like, ‘Don’t do, don’t do!’ It’s no good.” I mean, these must be the saints of ancient times who must have realised that Ten Commandments is not going to help this human beings. You need a better way of doing it. This is what it is, I think. So their way of thinking and their styles are very different. Like Anand, I must tell you about Anand. He said that, “How is it that people don’t realise that Anukampa is…" – Anukampa is a very special Sanskrit word. It is said that he’ll become a great Sanskrit scholar, you see. He tops the list to the class and nobody knows how he does that, you see. Very clever. So, I said, “What did you say?” He said, “The God has His Anukampa. His grace. Everywhere spread. People don‘t know that. Do You know nani, they don’t know that there is grace everywhere. There’s something like God’s grace everywhere. There are many people who do not know. What can you do about these people?” This is Mr. Anand asking me this. “How can you solve this problem to make people know that there is grace of God all around us?” But if I tell him, that there are many Sahaj Yogis who do not know, he’ll be shocked! I said, “I am surprised that people do not know that God’s grace exists everywhere.” What a Realisation! And a person who was not getting Realisation, he was on my feet, you see. So he (Anand) went and brought one of my garlands and put it in his pant, like that. I said, “What are you doing?” He said, “I’m decorating the Kundalini.” And the Kundalini shot off! It shot off just like that! He worshipped it. He worshipped his Kundalini. And the Kundalini shot off like that. And then he took back the garland, washed it, and put it back. What a sense! They are all coming up now. Now this one point is, we have to form a brain trust. Somebody should write it down. Then there is another possibility of our spreading Sahaj Yoga is this, that there are two great artists coming from India, who are Sahaj Yogis, who would like to have my photograph for their programme and who would like to talk about Sahaj Yoga a little bit and about me also, praising me, or something like that. And we can organise their programmes in some halls and we pay them part of the money and you can keep part of the money for Sahaj Yog. We can do it. There are two artists coming, so you have to write to Venugopalan. Somebody has to telephone to Venugopalan and get, Pandit Jasraj is one of them, whom you like very much. Do you have the record of Pandit Jasraj here? Do you have his record? No? Sure? All right. I have got one. He’s very good at bhajans, no doubt. He’s very good at bhajans. But he sings beautifully classical music. So for all Sahaj Yogis it should be a classical music programme. In Caxton Hall we can have. We should have a little money paid for him and we can give him part of the money. Or we can give the whole of it from our side. But in any other thing [if] you want to have programme, for example I was thinking, if you can write to people of certain organisations who would like to have bhajan programmes, like Crawley people might like to have. Or some places which we can save. Then we have got this fellow Parag Rajan. He’s another person who can be contacted. Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan and all these places. He’s a great bhajan singer. We can organise that. And we can get the proceeds and we can get part of the proceeds. We can have tickets and things. We can organise it. But this has to be done in June. We have so many people, we can do this. Now this is for the person who sings classical and the bhajans. And the bhajans will be more accepted by Indian communities. For example, near Birmingham we have got this Vyas, you can talk to him. He can organise one programme there. But the dates you must get. Now there’s another one whom you have heard, that sitarist. Do you remember? Debu. Debu Chaudhari. You just find out from Mr. Venugopalan. Somebody has to find out from Venugopalan, when are they coming. Debu Chauduri is a very famous, very, very famous artist from India. He’s something like at par with others like Ravi Shankar and all that, but he’s not so much accepted, so far. I mean, his name is not so much spread out. But what we can do is to arrange his programme, but for English audiences it will be perfectly alright because he plays sitar. So [for] these two things, somebody has to make a committee and to find out where you can take them, what you can do. And then the money can be collected also. Every programme you can collect about a hundred pounds at least, minimum. Wherever you want to: say [in] Brighton you can have a programme. You can have it at every place. Wherever there has been Indian music, or anything, you can start it, or wherever they want to have it. Indian music is nowadays appreciated. One of them is a sitarist and another one is a vocalist. And for vocalist you should try more Indian audience than this. You should find out. I have asked somebody to give me the addresses. But try to get more addresses from Indian organisations. And also you can contact I.P Singh and all these people to say that we are organising such a programme, would you like to have one in the high commission. Get some addresses from Mrs. I.P. Singh. So Gavin you [must] sit down, make a list of things that are to be done. Get a few people who are interested in doing this. We can earn money out of it because they would like to give money for Sahaj Yog. And it would be a very fair thing because we’ll be organising it. But you have to do it in a better way. You see, he’s not a hocus pocus like the one we had last time. But we have to really work it out. First advertise it in Caxton Hall and then later on. You see, we should tell them to play really ragas and not some sort of a, you see they try to please the Indian audience by playing some sort of a cheap music or something. You should say that, “You should really play pure ragas.” And there then we can work out our Realisation also in such programmes. And could be a good advertisement because if the Sahaj Yogis are singing...and also he can, this fellow who is a musician coming from India who sings, if he could sing, you ask Venugopalan if he can sing some songs with Mother’s name there then we are interested, some bhajans with my name. He sings bhajans to the Kali, but he should take Mother’s name in between. So if you can write to him, tomorrow, a letter, you might get that “this is what we want”. And also the other fellow, Debu, who is coming from there: if he could say something about Sahaj Yoga; that he has gained so much in Sahaj Yoga. So that it’s an advertisement also. What I am saying [is that], apart from money, it’s advertisements. So the whole thing we’ll organise in praise of Mother. If they are willing to do it, we are willing to do it here. You see, it has to be helping the Sahaj Yoga, that’s all. So you write to him tomorrow a letter, suggesting that this is what we have decided, we have a committee here now [that] Mother has formed. We would like to know exactly what nights they are going to spend there, when they are going to come. We’ll do all the expense of advertisement and selling of tickets and all that, and part of the money we’ll keep for Sahaj Yog, very little part, most of it we’ll give it to him. But the main thing is they should advertise Sahaj Yoga, among Indian communities and things like that. Now this Jasraj who is such a great...have you heard him, Jasraj? No? He’s a very famous artist, very famous. Alright I’ll send you his things. But he sings beautifully, beautifully. He doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke and he leads a very good righteous life. And you should say we’ll give all the publicity he wants, but it should be done for the sake of Sahaj Yog otherwise we are not interested. We are not interested in the artists but we are interested in Sahaj Yoga. And as a support to Sahaj Yoga, if they are coming here, we’ll get the money for them alright. But the main thing is they have to support Sahaj Yoga. Alright? So tomorrow you write a letter to him. Yogi: Where are they they going to stay? Shri Mataji:Ah? Yogi: Where will they stay? Shri Mataji: Oh they’ll arrange their own stay and all that. You don’t have to bother about them. Also you ask, “Have they arranged for their stay?” I think they have arranged their stay and all that, mostly. They have not asked me to arrange for their stay or anything. But in case they have not then we’ll see about it. But we’ll see now what to do with them. But you just ask, “What about their stay, where will they be?” You see, they are already invited by some other people, so we are only interested in arranging their programme. So why to put also ideas? We should say, “Where will they be staying? We would like to know their address,” and all that so that there’s no problem. They are quite well to do people, I mean, they don’t have a problem of money. And nowadays in India you can purchase foreign exchange, and you can live here. Third thing is, Alan, I want to see you tomorrow morning. Where is he? Alan? Did you find the angle of the thing? Alan: Yes. Shri Mataji: Then can you bring that drawing and let’s see tomorrow if you can come morning time, I’ll tell you what is to be done. Hmm? Now about our programme in London and outside. Tomorrow have you advertised it? Alright. Now every monday we’ll be having it in London for all these days. I’ll be quite free from Monday onward this week. And every day I would like to meet three or four of you personally, either in the ashram or there. For about two or three days, till Wednesday morning. Or you can find ten people or something, a group like that so that Monday or Tuesday I can meet you if you want. Or if you want I can come here and talk to them personally. You see, I must see to you individually. Alright? So Monday and Tuesday I’m definitely available. As we are having [Caxton Hall] meeting on Monday we can have some sort of an after Monday session, if you like, after the meeting. With few of us you can come to my house and you can talk to someone. Or form these committees if you want to. Or we can meet on Monday and let’s see what you have done about it. Two or three committees are to be formed: first for the programmes in London, another [for the] programmes outside. Then for the programmes of these people coming in. And fourth for the publicity. All these committees should be formed. We can have two meetings. Monday meeting after the programme, and Tuesday. If in my house or here, wherever you say, I am willing to come. Alright? Now those who want to give their names for the committee, you must give your names also. Programme outside means you have to take me out, you have to go beforehand and establish and then I join. Now I have decided not to go by car because it’s too much for me. I’ll go by train because I don’t want to exert myself so much because then I have to go to America. You see, mine is like a marathon! Your’s is a relay! I have been so very busy in Australia, then in India, then I am back here. Not one day I rested in India: horrible it was! Then I am here, again I am running about. I don’t mind going to any place but it should be once going out in one week: once only. Not that I’m travelling throughout like that. And I’ll go by train. If you can’t afford it I will afford it. But I will not like to exert myself too much. Alright? So first you have to establish there, then I’ll go. Not that I’ll establish it. It’s better you go and establish something; advertise, have a meeting, talk to people. Take four, five people, who should form a group of people. Now the holidays are there, those who want to take advantage of the holidays can do it. What about your [housing] co-op, what’s happening about it? Jason: We’ve asked several associations and councils for houses and we’ve had some very interesting promises so far Mother. Shri Mataji: Really? Good! What’s that? Jason: Some associations say they’re going to give us some houses when they know what their programme looks like. Shri Mataji: Which associations are these? Private? Jason: Er, no charitable Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh I see. So they have some houses here? Jason: Yeah there’s some houses Mother. Shri Mataji: You have seen some. Jason: I’ve seen some that we might be able to get, yes, but it’s not definite yet. Shri Mataji: Where is it? Jason: Notting Hill. Shri Mataji: Notting Hill is very beautiful. But it’s in the Notting Hill area or somewhere? It should not be in dangerously placed areas you see, where there is danger. Because I don’t want to put you into places where you could be harmed, because negativity when it starts it can be...I mean, where there is a labour class thing, where conflicts of labour and all that, I don’t think you should go there. But if it is something in between it’s alright. But where absolutely rugged people live, they get into tempers for nothing at all and then negativity works through them: very rugged, or over sophisticated is just the same. If they are over sophisticated they are also gone cases. Then they know how to hide all their sins in their sophistication. It should be something in between. Overly rich, over-ly rich. Yogi: We are looking at lots of areas though Mother. So it could be a good area it could be an in between area. Shri Mataji: You see for yourself. Alright? Good vibrations and things, will be a good idea. I’m very happy if it is working out . It was your idea Jason and if it works out it will be great, really. We have to have. And then we’ll have, Notting Hill, now what are you doing in this area? You better put up here something, Sahaja Yoga centre or something, if they allow, if this is a freehold house, and start attracting people here in this area. You go round in the...you can talk to them, meet them. Even they are selling, these days, I have seen some soaps, people come into your house and tell you about some soap or something. Suddenly you find somebody is coming inside, “I want to sell this soap.” Then some tell you, “We are selling this kind of windows.” (laughing) So why not we do something about selling Sahaj Yoga without taking any money? Is there any word for doing like that? Selling without taking any money? Is there any word in English language? Yogis: Giving. Shri Mataji: Giving. But giving can be quite challenging. People might feel, “Who is he to give? I’m the lord of the whole world!” Find out something. Supplying. Supplying maybe. I don’t know. A nice word you should find out. If you say, “I’m giving you enlightenment,” they say, “Oh you are great! What do you think of yourself!” (laughter) Try to find out. Must be there are some poetic words. What do you say Don, with all the studies you are making? (laughing) Are there some gracious words? Don: It’s not a very gracious language. Shri Mataji: Gracious? Yogi: It’s not a very gracious language. Shri Mataji: Aaaah! You know, every Sahaj Yogi will have to learn English. That way I’m speaking for England. And Marathi, maybe some other. So everybody has to learn English. Poor things these two girls who came from France, they wanted to talk to me, they couldn’t talk. But I can’t learn twenty-one languages. So I had to tell them, “You’d better learn English.” All of them are, poor things, learning English. But even Raol Bai had to learn English. Yes! Raol Bai, poor thing, trying to learn English. She said, “First of all, I must learn to say sorry!” “But you may say sorry at the time when you have to say thank you.” “Yes,” she said, “that I have to remember!” She said, “People then complained that, ‘Give her anything, she doesn’t say thank you!’” I said, “You forgot to say thank you!” She said, “But she gave me just some food to eat. Am I to say thank you then?” I said, “Yes! You have to say for everything! If she gives you food then it’s an even greater thank you!” So she said, “Alright, greater thank you!” (laughter) You see, the whole idea is different. Now in India, if you offer somebody the food, then the person who takes is obliging. See the juxtaposition of the whole thing. Because he is eating food in your house, you have to go on saying that, “Please grace my house with your presence and please accept this humble food.” Maybe a big plate of silver! “This humble food in my humble home which is a hut.” Maybe a palace, you see, and the fellow is calling it a hut! (laughter) If they have to say that, “You come to my house,” they never say that you come to my house, if it is a palace, they say, “come to the abode of a humble poor,” garib (गरीब) khana (Hindi: poor man’s food). ‘Garib’ is a poor man. “Come to a humble abode of a poor man.” You go and see a big palace. And when you come to somebody’s hut you say, “Oh I have seen your daulat khana (दौलत - wealthy), I have seen the house of riches.” You see, you come to a hut and still you say that. The whole culture is different, nah? If somebody accepts some present from you then you feel obliged in that country. It’s just the other way round. I mean, you people are materialistic, but the idea of materialism is different there. Like, say, in a puja, we had one gentleman used to come in. He would not tell these people how much he was spending, because he thought that it’s such a pleasure to spend in that puja, in Mother’s puja. Gavin used to be very angry, then he said, “Then Mother you ask him how much he’s spending.” He said, “Oh, it’s not much Mother, how can I pay little money for your puja?” He would not say. Here, I mean, if you can make money on that, they will. I have seen it. Because the auspiciousness part is not there. Even [though] the people are poor there, but they understand the auspiciousness. Only when it goes too far then they start complaining: like in Delhi, these Australians improved their liver and their liver was so much improved that what whatever hunger they had before started working out. Now this fellow, the one, they were fed very well, I mean, he did very well for eight days, but then he came to me after eight days, aghast, absolutely. He said, “Mother I can’t manage these people. I know they are very gracious, they eat well, they are very, very happy because I cook well, I know, but I can’t afford it. I have finished all that I had brought for them for the whole month. It’s over now.” (laughter) “There’s nothing in my store room left. They eat such a lot.” I said, “Really?” “I should say they are are saints, but they eat such a lot.” (laughter) So I said, “What do you make?” “Morning time,” he said, “they eat porridge. Then they eat full bread with butter, jam. Full bread! Then after that they eat parathas. On top of that they don’t mind having something sweet.” I said, “Really?” He said, “Yes Mother it is so. I don’t know what has happened to them.” So I told Warren. I said, “Warren, this is the limit of things!” He said, “He must be thinking we are monsters Mother!” I said, “I don’t know what he thinks but your liver has improved so much that you’d better put it down and bring it to the middle.” Like this, small, small things happening, interesting. Then we had a culprit from Bombay who went and told that, “You have paid so much money for your food, so why should you pay for your travelling?” Now six rupees to go twelve miles and come back! Can you imagine! Twelve miles altogether, going and coming. So one of them came and said to the fellow that, “We’ll not pay for the bus. We are paying such a lot for the food.” I mean, that the food [money] was not sufficient at all was substantiated by Indians. You know always they are paying, Gavin knows: always they paid for it. This put me off completely. He said, “Now we have hired this bus. They don’t want to pay Mother. Who is going to pay?” I said, “Alright, I’ll pay but I’ll talk to them.” And then I really told them that, “This six rupees you can’t pay?” I mean, this, Indians would never say. But it was a westernised Indian who came to Delhi and gave ideas and they just, “Ah! That’s it now!” Union demands! They said, “Where is our money!” Started! Suddenly forgetting where you are. This is the grace. Forgetting what are you doing. Forgetting you are in the blissful chambers of God. They just forgot. I was amazed. I said, “How could you?” There were three, four like that who had joined in. But everybody felt very sad and started. I said, “I don’t know what are you doing? I mean, are you mad?” And they saved all their money to buy presents. As usual India is very attractive, it’s beautiful things you get there. I said, “Alright, but not at the cost of Sahaj Yogis. But Sahaj Yogis were put to trouble, they were. And they had to shell out money [for you] and your Mother, as usual.” So, it should be understood that, next time when we go there we should be gracious. We should really give them some money for their programmes as Sahaj Yogis. And they are spending such a lot of money. They spend much more money than you do. You just paid for your food, just so! And you cannot get so cheaply. Anywhere you go in Bombay you cannot get or also in Delhi. It’s a very expensive place. And staying in a hotel sometimes, staying here, and then saying, “Oh the whole organising was difficult!” But the graciousness of spending money has to be learned. Cutting corners there, trying to save money, it was not a good thing. When English will that, I would say Sahaja Yoga is complete in England. Indians have to learn some other things. Indians are different. They have different problems, but that I’ll tell them. This is one thing, how to be gracious. That’s one thing you should counteract, just to give up your misidentifications. Now, those who have come from there, must write letters. Have you? How many have written letters to India? Good! Good! Such a sweet man. You did that? What about Malcolm? You don’t believe in corresponding I believe. Your great friend Benoit was asking about you. You better write to them. They’ll feel very happy. Write to them. Correspond with them. Australians are good. Send you photographs, they’ll be happy. They’ll put the photograph there, show everyone, Malcolm came here, see he typed this, and all that. Make friendship. Enjoy that friendship with them. You must write to them, find out about them. Everywhere we go, whatever country we go, we must establish them. So, I think this was a good year, good beginning. And five years more, that’s all. Five years. Keep moving, steadily, faster and faster. Accelerate your speed. Only five years move we need. Complete dedication and devotion, complete understanding of the importance of Sahaj Yoga. You have had your parents before, you have had your families before, you have had your marriages before, you have had everything before. Now is Sahaj Yog. But that doesn’t mean you spoil your family lives. It doesn’t mean [that] at all! On the contrary if your family lives are spoiled, you are spoiling Sahaj Yoga, absolutely, and you get into punishment. Now you know about Rustom. Do you know about his story, what happened to Rustom? You don’t know, I must tell you. Rustom was so high-handed and he said, “I can’t bear this woman!” and this and that, and all that. He started all that. I said, “Alright. Now so what have you decided? You sent her money?” “Yes, that I may do but I can’t get along and I can’t bear her. She’s this, she’s that!” I said, “Alright.” “Now I’m very happy I’ve got vibrations and I am going to give vibrations, I am going to give jagruti.” And he was doing all that way in Jamshedpur. He would not call his wife. I talked to his wife and she also was so upset about the whole thing, she didn’t know what she had done to deserve all this after all. She said, “This man has been so angry with me all the time and he says I’m difficult. What have I done? What is so difficult about me? He should tell me. And better to talk and argue and fight it and take it out than to sulk like this and put me into trouble.” Then I talked to him, I said, “This was very wrong of you. And I asked you ten times before if you wanted to marry her. And you have no business to ruin her and bring such a name for Sahaj Yog.” “I’ll take her to London and this and that if you say so Mother. I’ll do this.” As if he was trying to oblige me he said he was willing to do that. I said, “Alright, go ahead.” Then he never wrote to her, nothing. He tried to be very funny. Once he slapped her also, just imagine! She’s a Sahaj Yogini. He slapped her. And he said, “I did,” and all that. He thinks no end of himself. I said, “You ‘great’ Sahaj Yogi, you’ll have your time! Go ahead!” “I have my vibrations.” Nothing! You see, it’s just a myth he has got in his head [that] he has got his vibrations, he’s a great Sahaj Yogi, this, that. And he was trying to give Realisation to everyone. Very high-handed that fellow. And he would not look at her, he would not write to her, he would not have anything to do [with her]. All this. “You can’t just do it!” I told him this again and again, he would not listen. (break in recording) ..be yourself and better produce children. And every year one [child] would be a better idea! (laughter) Why are you looking so miserable? You have to promise me, otherwise you don’t show your faces! I’m telling you today. Marriage is not a joke in Sahaj Yoga! I told him beforehand, why I want you to get married, why marriage is essential. All these marriages are a waste, I tell you! We’ll not have any more marriages now unless and until these people produce children. Useless! You can’t produce children! In this respect I must give all my congratulations to Pat and his dear wife Grazyna. I’m very happy about them. They are the sweetest of all. I really love them. I have blessed them with such a beautiful child that you will be happy to know. All of you will be blessed if you behave yourself. We have to have all of them here. These are great saints, very, very great saints who want to be born. And I am here to tell you these things, and you are just playing with it. As soon as you get married some bhoots come into your heads and you go off your heads I think. Better go ahead with it alright? And it’s very important. Everybody asks how many children have they produced so far. In India they would have produced at least ten! (laughter) Another is Douglas [Fry] and his wife [Deviyani], I’m sure they are going to show some results! There’s no divorce unless and until there is something really very serious. If they are not capable of producing children they are out Sahaj Yoga, they are divorced and finished! Alright? It is not the outer compatibility that is important. Cooly I’m telling you and your wife [Dawn]. These two came to me and they said they want to get married. You’d better now produce children, both of you, and love each other. Alright? Dawn: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: Now Rustom is coming back with his wife. He has to produce also! (laughter) We don’t have many children with us. We need much more. And the women must look after the children, not the men. But that’s also another thing: that the men start looking after the women. Not that way. The women have to look after the children; the men don’t have to. It’s most surprising that, in India, if a woman doesn’t get a child, she’ll go to all the shrines, all the places, to have a child. But this is a westernised idea not to have a child. Something very westernised. And it’s bhootish; it’s a sign of a bhoot which is giving you these ideas. Absolutely it’s bhootish, I tell you. It’s a bhoot that tells you; who is against Sahaj Yoga. It’s anti-God activity, absolutely. All the wretched people are producing children and the great Sahaj Yogis are not producing children. Imagine what will happen! Just like in England they say [that] after some time the Asians will be more than English, in the same way we’ll have more bhoots than good people, who are the saints. Because bhoots are producing children and while you people are not producing any children. At least minimum you do that much if not anything else. We did all the arrangements, dressed you up and made all photographs, for what? You are just the same! For what we did all this? So this is a warning. Now you don’t need any other. This is nothing symbolic! Absolutely you have to produce children. Otherwise I will see to it that you go out of Sahaj Yog, out of the circulation of Sahaja Yoga completely. Don’t tell me stories. I know everything. You just have them and you will know how beautiful they are and how sweet they are, how they make you happy. Ask Gavin. His face is changed since he has had [Olympia]. Even [his wife] Jane: she’s so different. And what a sweet little thing they have. One little thing is so beautiful. What about we have Datta here! Better have it. They will make you feel so nice, happy. Flowers they are, beautiful. Am I supposed to eat my dinner here? Or not? Yogi: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: If not you’d better tell. No formality. Linda Williams: Regis has cooked you something lovely Mother. Shri Mataji: Regis has done the cooking? The French one? I hope without the wine! Hmm, there he is! Hello Mr. Dattatreya. How are you? Linda Williams: He’s nearly crawling. Yogi: He is crawling. He crawls on the floor. Shri Mataji: Good, good! Come along! Hello Mr. Dattatreya [Williams], how are you? Eh? Better grow up fast! Alright? (Mother kisses the baby) He’s good now! Look at that! Hmm? May God bless you! Are you alright? Are you alright? Hello! (laughing) See how alert they are. Poor thing had to fight a lot with all of you. Olympia? Hello Olympia how are you? Ha ha! Now you tell, Jane, how you feel now, with Olympia with you. Like a doll isn’t it. Aren’t you happy now? And also I’ll tell you what: you don’t give your children to women who are not producing women. Alright, just don’t give! They are inauspicious. Nothing! Till they produce the children we are not going to give them. Outcasts. And all the men too who do not produce children. No use producing moustaches! (laughter) That anyone can do, whether you are married or not. You don’t have to impress me by that! See I wanted Cooly to go for acting. Now he’s put on moustaches he can very well go. But first he should produce a child otherwise he will not be allowed to do anything! (talking to the baby) Are you alright? See, in meditation. What’s there? What’s there? What’s there? Ohh, yah! How they know the love! You know the love! You know me! See how confident, how confident. What a blessing it is. You know in India people don’t take water given by a lady who does not have a child. Can you imagine! People don’t go to such houses. It’s inauspicious. Ask anyone. Can I have Olympia now? Can I take Olympia? Can you go to her? Do you feel like going to her now? Linda Williams: He talks a lot now. Shri Mataji: Try to take him now, let’s see! Linda Williams: He doesn’t want me! (laughter) Shri Mataji: Now take him. I’ll take Olympia for a while. Linda Williams: One day we were on the evening train and we had been putting up posters in Epsom and we came back on the rush hour train and all the people were sitting like this. You know how the English are reading their papers. And John Watkinson was with us. He was in his little trolley and he said, “Ub bub bub bub bub!” (laughter) And after a bit they all put their papers down and they started smiling. After about ten minutes the whole carriage was happy. Shri Mataji: That’s what they do! They know how to bring down! Hello Olympia! How are you? After a long time! So what have you been doing here? (baby starts crying) She’s forgotten me! You must show her my photograph otherwise doesn’t recognise. Jane Brown: She talks to your photograph! Shri Mataji: She talks to me? You talk to me? Alright, alright. Now what has happened Olympia? You know me very well! Forgotten me? What has happened? Why are you crying? Alright. On this lap you’ll be better. Should we? Can we? Alright, let’s see. There’s something wrong I think. What’s it? What’s it? Just see her vibrations. No, no, no. Jane Brown: Just the last few days it’s been like that but before that it’s been ok. Shri Mataji: She has had fever? Jane Brown: Just a little bit Shri Mataji: Just see this. You’ll be alright, you’ll be alright. Better get some sugar vibrated. The Right side is hot. Hmmm! What is there to cry? Alright? This is alright? Right side is catching. Hmmm! Alright? What do you plan so much that you have bad liver? (laughter) What do you do? What do you think so much that you have a bad liver? Jane, you be careful about your diet. Don’t take any fats I think for some time. How do you get a bad liver? Your daddy has it, alright? (laughter) He plans for everyone. Does he? I think it’s little inheritance isn’t it. Sometimes the liver also and the heart. See the combination is that. Right Agnya, Right Nabhi. Better now? Are you better? Are you better now Olympia? Are you alright? She’ll be alright. This is liver. Now you have to be careful with all that. She’s better now. She has a liver problem. And Agnya too: Right Agnya. You have to forgive! Now it’s alright, now it’s alright, everything is fine. Now, alright? Everything fine? Olympia, come now. No, I won’t have it. Now will you come? Olympia, what is there to cry?

“Organisation of Sahaja Yoga in England” Chelsham Road, 10th May 1980 ...A personality that everybody wants to follow, to become, to love. This would be very selfish to say that, “I am enjoying!” It’s something very funny. You see, some people are like that: self-certificated; again I call them. “Oh, I’m enjoying myself, I have no problems, you see, why should you worry?" This is all nonsense, absolute nonsense it is. It is that you are enjoying your ego then. But to enjoy yourself means you are enjoying everyone and everybody’s enjoying you; everybody likes you. You are not extreme neither too ritualistic. You are so flexible. You are adjustable. That’s like water, whatever you mix it with, it takes the colour. However you put it, it washes. If it appears in the eyes it makes you look beautiful. It’s like that. That’s the spiritual quality of a person. They have to be adjustable. In whatever way you are, people enjoy you and love you. Vibrations have improved. Alright? Don’t blame anyone for anything, not yourself [or] anyone. Enjoy! This is the time for enjoyment, not for blaming others, sitting down, sulking. No it’s for enjoyment. Good. Beautiful! Are you alright now? Good. Now put your hand towards me. Alright? Put your hands towards me straight. Be alert! Some people need alertness. Be alert! Look at children, how alert they are. When there’s an aeroplane going, they’ll all come and, "Bye-bye aeroplane, bye-bye aeroplane!" Now the aeroplane is gone, so that work is over. Then they come inside. Then they see something else then get into it.. You see, to them the whole world is their responsibility. The aeroplane is going: somebody must say bye-bye to the aeroplane! (Laughter) So all of them will come out and say, "Bye-bye, bye-bye!" And then they’ll come inside the house and then they’ll get very seriously involved into something else they were doing. Then they’ll pull out this and pull out that; put everything together. And whatever it is, you may call it a mess, but according to them they are constructing everything. They’re responsible for the whole world, you know! If they are realised-souls they are even greater. Every time they say something it’s so remarkable that really, the way they take attitudes towards things. Like this time, at my elder [granddaughter] Aradana came up to me and she said, “Did You ever study a very nonsensical subject called moral science?” I said, “No, never.” “You see, it is such a stupid subject nani, that you need not study at all. It’s horrible!” I said, “What do they teach you?” “They teach you ‘don’t steal! Now, do we steal? Are we servants or what? Why should we steal? Are we thieves? That’s tell us don‘t tell lies. Why should we tell lies?” So they are realised-souls, they can’t understand. They can’t understand, can you cunningness and all that. They said, “Why should they teach us like this? What is the need? I mean, everybody knows!” You see, it is like teaching somebody that food is good for your stomach, or something like that. According to them it is so essential. I mean, it is so much there, what is there to tell them. “This is a stupid subject of moral science!” So I said, “Alright, but supposing you have to deal with criminals, then you have to tell them, isn’t it? What is to be done and what is not to be done. So if you become teachers tomorrow you will have to tell criminals: ‘Don’t do it this.’” So the younger one says, “By telling anybody, do you think they’ll be alright? They‘ll punch your noses!” (laughter) The younger one, Anupama ‘aunty’! She said, “They‘ll punch your noses! No use telling them. It’s useless to tell them, ‘Don’t do, don’t do.’ They’re will do it. If you say, ‘Don’t kill.’, they’ll kill you, immediately!” So they said, “You should give them Realisation otherwise they will never listen to you, because how will they know that killing is bad?” “Because if you have vibrations,” this elder one tells me, “then you will know that you are losing vibrations, if you do like that, but otherwise how will they know?” See, look at that. I said, “But still supposing there are criminals, what should we do about them? If there are murderers, what should we do?" “They should be destroyed, no question!” I said, “Really?” See the other side of a person. I said, “Do you think that?” “If they do not want to take Realisation, they must be destroyed. If they want to take Realisation, well and good. Otherwise they have to be destroyed!” I say, “How do you destroy them?” So the younger one says, “All right, put them in the fishpond!” (laughter). So the elder one says, “But the fishes will be ruined. Think of the fishes! How can you put them to the fishes?” So the elder one says, “All right, is there any serpents who can devour people?” So I said, “There are serpents. But then, what about the serpents. They are already serpents. So these serpents can go to serpents, makes no difference, you see." So, I said then, “What do you do?” “You get a serpent,” they said, “Fix it to a machine. Machine is the best! Fix it to a machine. Keep the mouth wide open. Don’t touch them! Just shove them inside!” (laughter) “Because if you touch them, you will be spoiled.” You see, without any fear of any kind of violence - so innocently. “And then, when they become serpents, they will learn. Then they will come back. Then they’ll be better off and you can give them Realisation. Otherwise they have to become serpents.” You see, simple solutions. “But you don’t touch them. Nobody should touch them, they are serpents. No use teaching such stupid subjects like, ‘Don’t do, don’t do!’ It’s no good.” I mean, these must be the saints of ancient times who must have realised that Ten Commandments is not going to help this human beings. You need a better way of doing it. This is what it is, I think. So their way of thinking and their styles are very different. Like Anand, I must tell you about Anand. He said that, “How is it that people don’t realise that Anukampa is…" – Anukampa is a very special Sanskrit word. It is said that he’ll become a great Sanskrit scholar, you see. He tops the list to the class and nobody knows how he does that, you see. Very clever. So, I said, “What did you say?” He said, “The God has His Anukampa. His grace. Everywhere spread. People don‘t know that. Do You know nani, they don’t know that there is grace everywhere. There’s something like God’s grace everywhere. There are many people who do not know. What can you do about these people?” This is Mr. Anand asking me this. “How can you solve this problem to make people know that there is grace of God all around us?” But if I tell him, that there are many Sahaj Yogis who do not know, he’ll be shocked! I said, “I am surprised that people do not know that God’s grace exists everywhere.” What a Realisation! And a person who was not getting Realisation, he was on my feet, you see. So he (Anand) went and brought one of my garlands and put it in his pant, like that. I said, “What are you doing?” He said, “I’m decorating the Kundalini.” And the Kundalini shot off! It shot off just like that! He worshipped it. He worshipped his Kundalini. And the Kundalini shot off like that. And then he took back the garland, washed it, and put it back. What a sense! They are all coming up now. Now this one point is, we have to form a brain trust. Somebody should write it down. Then there is another possibility of our spreading Sahaj Yoga is this, that there are two great artists coming from India, who are Sahaj Yogis, who would like to have my photograph for their programme and who would like to talk about Sahaj Yoga a little bit and about me also, praising me, or something like that. And we can organise their programmes in some halls and we pay them part of the money and you can keep part of the money for Sahaj Yog. We can do it. There are two artists coming, so you have to write to Venugopalan. Somebody has to telephone to Venugopalan and get, Pandit Jasraj is one of them, whom you like very much. Do you have the record of Pandit Jasraj here? Do you have his record? No? Sure? All right. I have got one. He’s very good at bhajans, no doubt. He’s very good at bhajans. But he sings beautifully classical music. So for all Sahaj Yogis it should be a classical music programme. In Caxton Hall we can have. We should have a little money paid for him and we can give him part of the money. Or we can give the whole of it from our side. But in any other thing [if] you want to have programme, for example I was thinking, if you can write to people of certain organisations who would like to have bhajan programmes, like Crawley people might like to have. Or some places which we can save. Then we have got this fellow Parag Rajan. He’s another person who can be contacted. Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan and all these places. He’s a great bhajan singer. We can organise that. And we can get the proceeds and we can get part of the proceeds. We can have tickets and things. We can organise it. But this has to be done in June. We have so many people, we can do this. Now this is for the person who sings classical and the bhajans. And the bhajans will be more accepted by Indian communities. For example, near Birmingham we have got this Vyas, you can talk to him. He can organise one programme there. But the dates you must get. Now there’s another one whom you have heard, that sitarist. Do you remember? Debu. Debu Chaudhari. You just find out from Mr. Venugopalan. Somebody has to find out from Venugopalan, when are they coming. Debu Chauduri is a very famous, very, very famous artist from India. He’s something like at par with others like Ravi Shankar and all that, but he’s not so much accepted, so far. I mean, his name is not so much spread out. But what we can do is to arrange his programme, but for English audiences it will be perfectly alright because he plays sitar. So [for] these two things, somebody has to make a committee and to find out where you can take them, what you can do. And then the money can be collected also. Every programme you can collect about a hundred pounds at least, minimum. Wherever you want to: say [in] Brighton you can have a programme. You can have it at every place. Wherever there has been Indian music, or anything, you can start it, or wherever they want to have it. Indian music is nowadays appreciated. One of them is a sitarist and another one is a vocalist. And for vocalist you should try more Indian audience than this. You should find out. I have asked somebody to give me the addresses. But try to get more addresses from Indian organisations. And also you can contact I.P Singh and all these people to say that we are organising such a programme, would you like to have one in the high commission. Get some addresses from Mrs. I.P. Singh. So Gavin you [must] sit down, make a list of things that are to be done. Get a few people who are interested in doing this. We can earn money out of it because they would like to give money for Sahaj Yog. And it would be a very fair thing because we’ll be organising it. But you have to do it in a better way. You see, he’s not a hocus pocus like the one we had last time. But we have to really work it out. First advertise it in Caxton Hall and then later on. You see, we should tell them to play really ragas and not some sort of a, you see they try to please the Indian audience by playing some sort of a cheap music or something. You should say that, “You should really play pure ragas.” And there then we can work out our Realisation also in such programmes. And could be a good advertisement because if the Sahaj Yogis are singing...and also he can, this fellow who is a musician coming from India who sings, if he could sing, you ask Venugopalan if he can sing some songs with Mother’s name there then we are interested, some bhajans with my name. He sings bhajans to the Kali, but he should take Mother’s name in between. So if you can write to him, tomorrow, a letter, you might get that “this is what we want”. And also the other fellow, Debu, who is coming from there: if he could say something about Sahaj Yoga; that he has gained so much in Sahaj Yoga. So that it’s an advertisement also. What I am saying [is that], apart from money, it’s advertisements. So the whole thing we’ll organise in praise of Mother. If they are willing to do it, we are willing to do it here. You see, it has to be helping the Sahaj Yoga, that’s all. So you write to him tomorrow a letter, suggesting that this is what we have decided, we have a committee here now [that] Mother has formed. We would like to know exactly what nights they are going to spend there, when they are going to come. We’ll do all the expense of advertisement and selling of tickets and all that, and part of the money we’ll keep for Sahaj Yog, very little part, most of it we’ll give it to him. But the main thing is they should advertise Sahaj Yoga, among Indian communities and things like that. Now this Jasraj who is such a great...have you heard him, Jasraj? No? He’s a very famous artist, very famous. Alright I’ll send you his things. But he sings beautifully, beautifully. He doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke and he leads a very good righteous life. And you should say we’ll give all the publicity he wants, but it should be done for the sake of Sahaj Yog otherwise we are not interested. We are not interested in the artists but we are interested in Sahaj Yoga. And as a support to Sahaj Yoga, if they are coming here, we’ll get the money for them alright. But the main thing is they have to support Sahaj Yoga. Alright? So tomorrow you write a letter to him. Yogi: Where are they they going to stay? Shri Mataji:Ah? Yogi: Where will they stay? Shri Mataji: Oh they’ll arrange their own stay and all that. You don’t have to bother about them. Also you ask, “Have they arranged for their stay?” I think they have arranged their stay and all that, mostly. They have not asked me to arrange for their stay or anything. But in case they have not then we’ll see about it. But we’ll see now what to do with them. But you just ask, “What about their stay, where will they be?” You see, they are already invited by some other people, so we are only interested in arranging their programme. So why to put also ideas? We should say, “Where will they be staying? We would like to know their address,” and all that so that there’s no problem. They are quite well to do people, I mean, they don’t have a problem of money. And nowadays in India you can purchase foreign exchange, and you can live here. Third thing is, Alan, I want to see you tomorrow morning. Where is he? Alan? Did you find the angle of the thing? Alan: Yes. Shri Mataji: Then can you bring that drawing and let’s see tomorrow if you can come morning time, I’ll tell you what is to be done. Hmm? Now about our programme in London and outside. Tomorrow have you advertised it? Alright. Now every monday we’ll be having it in London for all these days. I’ll be quite free from Monday onward this week. And every day I would like to meet three or four of you personally, either in the ashram or there. For about two or three days, till Wednesday morning. Or you can find ten people or something, a group like that so that Monday or Tuesday I can meet you if you want. Or if you want I can come here and talk to them personally. You see, I must see to you individually. Alright? So Monday and Tuesday I’m definitely available. As we are having [Caxton Hall] meeting on Monday we can have some sort of an after Monday session, if you like, after the meeting. With few of us you can come to my house and you can talk to someone. Or form these committees if you want to. Or we can meet on Monday and let’s see what you have done about it. Two or three committees are to be formed: first for the programmes in London, another [for the] programmes outside. Then for the programmes of these people coming in. And fourth for the publicity. All these committees should be formed. We can have two meetings. Monday meeting after the programme, and Tuesday. If in my house or here, wherever you say, I am willing to come. Alright? Now those who want to give their names for the committee, you must give your names also. Programme outside means you have to take me out, you have to go beforehand and establish and then I join. Now I have decided not to go by car because it’s too much for me. I’ll go by train because I don’t want to exert myself so much because then I have to go to America. You see, mine is like a marathon! Your’s is a relay! I have been so very busy in Australia, then in India, then I am back here. Not one day I rested in India: horrible it was! Then I am here, again I am running about. I don’t mind going to any place but it should be once going out in one week: once only. Not that I’m travelling throughout like that. And I’ll go by train. If you can’t afford it I will afford it. But I will not like to exert myself too much. Alright? So first you have to establish there, then I’ll go. Not that I’ll establish it. It’s better you go and establish something; advertise, have a meeting, talk to people. Take four, five people, who should form a group of people. Now the holidays are there, those who want to take advantage of the holidays can do it. What about your [housing] co-op, what’s happening about it? Jason: We’ve asked several associations and councils for houses and we’ve had some very interesting promises so far Mother. Shri Mataji: Really? Good! What’s that? Jason: Some associations say they’re going to give us some houses when they know what their programme looks like. Shri Mataji: Which associations are these? Private? Jason: Er, no charitable Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh I see. So they have some houses here? Jason: Yeah there’s some houses Mother. Shri Mataji: You have seen some. Jason: I’ve seen some that we might be able to get, yes, but it’s not definite yet. Shri Mataji: Where is it? Jason: Notting Hill. Shri Mataji: Notting Hill is very beautiful. But it’s in the Notting Hill area or somewhere? It should not be in dangerously placed areas you see, where there is danger. Because I don’t want to put you into places where you could be harmed, because negativity when it starts it can be...I mean, where there is a labour class thing, where conflicts of labour and all that, I don’t think you should go there. But if it is something in between it’s alright. But where absolutely rugged people live, they get into tempers for nothing at all and then negativity works through them: very rugged, or over sophisticated is just the same. If they are over sophisticated they are also gone cases. Then they know how to hide all their sins in their sophistication. It should be something in between. Overly rich, over-ly rich. Yogi: We are looking at lots of areas though Mother. So it could be a good area it could be an in between area. Shri Mataji: You see for yourself. Alright? Good vibrations and things, will be a good idea. I’m very happy if it is working out . It was your idea Jason and if it works out it will be great, really. We have to have. And then we’ll have, Notting Hill, now what are you doing in this area? You better put up here something, Sahaja Yoga centre or something, if they allow, if this is a freehold house, and start attracting people here in this area. You go round in the...you can talk to them, meet them. Even they are selling, these days, I have seen some soaps, people come into your house and tell you about some soap or something. Suddenly you find somebody is coming inside, “I want to sell this soap.” Then some tell you, “We are selling this kind of windows.” (laughing) So why not we do something about selling Sahaj Yoga without taking any money? Is there any word for doing like that? Selling without taking any money? Is there any word in English language? Yogis: Giving. Shri Mataji: Giving. But giving can be quite challenging. People might feel, “Who is he to give? I’m the lord of the whole world!” Find out something. Supplying. Supplying maybe. I don’t know. A nice word you should find out. If you say, “I’m giving you enlightenment,” they say, “Oh you are great! What do you think of yourself!” (laughter) Try to find out. Must be there are some poetic words. What do you say Don, with all the studies you are making? (laughing) Are there some gracious words? Don: It’s not a very gracious language. Shri Mataji: Gracious? Yogi: It’s not a very gracious language. Shri Mataji: Aaaah! You know, every Sahaj Yogi will have to learn English. That way I’m speaking for England. And Marathi, maybe some other. So everybody has to learn English. Poor things these two girls who came from France, they wanted to talk to me, they couldn’t talk. But I can’t learn twenty-one languages. So I had to tell them, “You’d better learn English.” All of them are, poor things, learning English. But even Raol Bai had to learn English. Yes! Raol Bai, poor thing, trying to learn English. She said, “First of all, I must learn to say sorry!” “But you may say sorry at the time when you have to say thank you.” “Yes,” she said, “that I have to remember!” She said, “People then complained that, ‘Give her anything, she doesn’t say thank you!’” I said, “You forgot to say thank you!” She said, “But she gave me just some food to eat. Am I to say thank you then?” I said, “Yes! You have to say for everything! If she gives you food then it’s an even greater thank you!” So she said, “Alright, greater thank you!” (laughter) You see, the whole idea is different. Now in India, if you offer somebody the food, then the person who takes is obliging. See the juxtaposition of the whole thing. Because he is eating food in your house, you have to go on saying that, “Please grace my house with your presence and please accept this humble food.” Maybe a big plate of silver! “This humble food in my humble home which is a hut.” Maybe a palace, you see, and the fellow is calling it a hut! (laughter) If they have to say that, “You come to my house,” they never say that you come to my house, if it is a palace, they say, “come to the abode of a humble poor,” garib (गरीब) khana (Hindi: poor man’s food). ‘Garib’ is a poor man. “Come to a humble abode of a poor man.” You go and see a big palace. And when you come to somebody’s hut you say, “Oh I have seen your daulat khana (दौलत - wealthy), I have seen the house of riches.” You see, you come to a hut and still you say that. The whole culture is different, nah? If somebody accepts some present from you then you feel obliged in that country. It’s just the other way round. I mean, you people are materialistic, but the idea of materialism is different there. Like, say, in a puja, we had one gentleman used to come in. He would not tell these people how much he was spending, because he thought that it’s such a pleasure to spend in that puja, in Mother’s puja. Gavin used to be very angry, then he said, “Then Mother you ask him how much he’s spending.” He said, “Oh, it’s not much Mother, how can I pay little money for your puja?” He would not say. Here, I mean, if you can make money on that, they will. I have seen it. Because the auspiciousness part is not there. Even [though] the people are poor there, but they understand the auspiciousness. Only when it goes too far then they start complaining: like in Delhi, these Australians improved their liver and their liver was so much improved that what whatever hunger they had before started working out. Now this fellow, the one, they were fed very well, I mean, he did very well for eight days, but then he came to me after eight days, aghast, absolutely. He said, “Mother I can’t manage these people. I know they are very gracious, they eat well, they are very, very happy because I cook well, I know, but I can’t afford it. I have finished all that I had brought for them for the whole month. It’s over now.” (laughter) “There’s nothing in my store room left. They eat such a lot.” I said, “Really?” “I should say they are are saints, but they eat such a lot.” (laughter) So I said, “What do you make?” “Morning time,” he said, “they eat porridge. Then they eat full bread with butter, jam. Full bread! Then after that they eat parathas. On top of that they don’t mind having something sweet.” I said, “Really?” He said, “Yes Mother it is so. I don’t know what has happened to them.” So I told Warren. I said, “Warren, this is the limit of things!” He said, “He must be thinking we are monsters Mother!” I said, “I don’t know what he thinks but your liver has improved so much that you’d better put it down and bring it to the middle.” Like this, small, small things happening, interesting. Then we had a culprit from Bombay who went and told that, “You have paid so much money for your food, so why should you pay for your travelling?” Now six rupees to go twelve miles and come back! Can you imagine! Twelve miles altogether, going and coming. So one of them came and said to the fellow that, “We’ll not pay for the bus. We are paying such a lot for the food.” I mean, that the food [money] was not sufficient at all was substantiated by Indians. You know always they are paying, Gavin knows: always they paid for it. This put me off completely. He said, “Now we have hired this bus. They don’t want to pay Mother. Who is going to pay?” I said, “Alright, I’ll pay but I’ll talk to them.” And then I really told them that, “This six rupees you can’t pay?” I mean, this, Indians would never say. But it was a westernised Indian who came to Delhi and gave ideas and they just, “Ah! That’s it now!” Union demands! They said, “Where is our money!” Started! Suddenly forgetting where you are. This is the grace. Forgetting what are you doing. Forgetting you are in the blissful chambers of God. They just forgot. I was amazed. I said, “How could you?” There were three, four like that who had joined in. But everybody felt very sad and started. I said, “I don’t know what are you doing? I mean, are you mad?” And they saved all their money to buy presents. As usual India is very attractive, it’s beautiful things you get there. I said, “Alright, but not at the cost of Sahaj Yogis. But Sahaj Yogis were put to trouble, they were. And they had to shell out money [for you] and your Mother, as usual.” So, it should be understood that, next time when we go there we should be gracious. We should really give them some money for their programmes as Sahaj Yogis. And they are spending such a lot of money. They spend much more money than you do. You just paid for your food, just so! And you cannot get so cheaply. Anywhere you go in Bombay you cannot get or also in Delhi. It’s a very expensive place. And staying in a hotel sometimes, staying here, and then saying, “Oh the whole organising was difficult!” But the graciousness of spending money has to be learned. Cutting corners there, trying to save money, it was not a good thing. When English will that, I would say Sahaja Yoga is complete in England. Indians have to learn some other things. Indians are different. They have different problems, but that I’ll tell them. This is one thing, how to be gracious. That’s one thing you should counteract, just to give up your misidentifications. Now, those who have come from there, must write letters. Have you? How many have written letters to India? Good! Good! Such a sweet man. You did that? What about Malcolm? You don’t believe in corresponding I believe. Your great friend Benoit was asking about you. You better write to them. They’ll feel very happy. Write to them. Correspond with them. Australians are good. Send you photographs, they’ll be happy. They’ll put the photograph there, show everyone, Malcolm came here, see he typed this, and all that. Make friendship. Enjoy that friendship with them. You must write to them, find out about them. Everywhere we go, whatever country we go, we must establish them. So, I think this was a good year, good beginning. And five years more, that’s all. Five years. Keep moving, steadily, faster and faster. Accelerate your speed. Only five years move we need. Complete dedication and devotion, complete understanding of the importance of Sahaj Yoga. You have had your parents before, you have had your families before, you have had your marriages before, you have had everything before. Now is Sahaj Yog. But that doesn’t mean you spoil your family lives. It doesn’t mean [that] at all! On the contrary if your family lives are spoiled, you are spoiling Sahaj Yoga, absolutely, and you get into punishment. Now you know about Rustom. Do you know about his story, what happened to Rustom? You don’t know, I must tell you. Rustom was so high-handed and he said, “I can’t bear this woman!” and this and that, and all that. He started all that. I said, “Alright. Now so what have you decided? You sent her money?” “Yes, that I may do but I can’t get along and I can’t bear her. She’s this, she’s that!” I said, “Alright.” “Now I’m very happy I’ve got vibrations and I am going to give vibrations, I am going to give jagruti.” And he was doing all that way in Jamshedpur. He would not call his wife. I talked to his wife and she also was so upset about the whole thing, she didn’t know what she had done to deserve all this after all. She said, “This man has been so angry with me all the time and he says I’m difficult. What have I done? What is so difficult about me? He should tell me. And better to talk and argue and fight it and take it out than to sulk like this and put me into trouble.” Then I talked to him, I said, “This was very wrong of you. And I asked you ten times before if you wanted to marry her. And you have no business to ruin her and bring such a name for Sahaj Yog.” “I’ll take her to London and this and that if you say so Mother. I’ll do this.” As if he was trying to oblige me he said he was willing to do that. I said, “Alright, go ahead.” Then he never wrote to her, nothing. He tried to be very funny. Once he slapped her also, just imagine! She’s a Sahaj Yogini. He slapped her. And he said, “I did,” and all that. He thinks no end of himself. I said, “You ‘great’ Sahaj Yogi, you’ll have your time! Go ahead!” “I have my vibrations.” Nothing! You see, it’s just a myth he has got in his head [that] he has got his vibrations, he’s a great Sahaj Yogi, this, that. And he was trying to give Realisation to everyone. Very high-handed that fellow. And he would not look at her, he would not write to her, he would not have anything to do [with her]. All this. “You can’t just do it!” I told him this again and again, he would not listen. (break in recording) ..be yourself and better produce children. And every year one [child] would be a better idea! (laughter) Why are you looking so miserable? You have to promise me, otherwise you don’t show your faces! I’m telling you today. Marriage is not a joke in Sahaj Yoga! I told him beforehand, why I want you to get married, why marriage is essential. All these marriages are a waste, I tell you! We’ll not have any more marriages now unless and until these people produce children. Useless! You can’t produce children! In this respect I must give all my congratulations to Pat and his dear wife Grazyna. I’m very happy about them. They are the sweetest of all. I really love them. I have blessed them with such a beautiful child that you will be happy to know. All of you will be blessed if you behave yourself. We have to have all of them here. These are great saints, very, very great saints who want to be born. And I am here to tell you these things, and you are just playing with it. As soon as you get married some bhoots come into your heads and you go off your heads I think. Better go ahead with it alright? And it’s very important. Everybody asks how many children have they produced so far. In India they would have produced at least ten! (laughter) Another is Douglas [Fry] and his wife [Deviyani], I’m sure they are going to show some results! There’s no divorce unless and until there is something really very serious. If they are not capable of producing children they are out Sahaj Yoga, they are divorced and finished! Alright? It is not the outer compatibility that is important. Cooly I’m telling you and your wife [Dawn]. These two came to me and they said they want to get married. You’d better now produce children, both of you, and love each other. Alright? Dawn: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: Now Rustom is coming back with his wife. He has to produce also! (laughter) We don’t have many children with us. We need much more. And the women must look after the children, not the men. But that’s also another thing: that the men start looking after the women. Not that way. The women have to look after the children; the men don’t have to. It’s most surprising that, in India, if a woman doesn’t get a child, she’ll go to all the shrines, all the places, to have a child. But this is a westernised idea not to have a child. Something very westernised. And it’s bhootish; it’s a sign of a bhoot which is giving you these ideas. Absolutely it’s bhootish, I tell you. It’s a bhoot that tells you; who is against Sahaj Yoga. It’s anti-God activity, absolutely. All the wretched people are producing children and the great Sahaj Yogis are not producing children. Imagine what will happen! Just like in England they say [that] after some time the Asians will be more than English, in the same way we’ll have more bhoots than good people, who are the saints. Because bhoots are producing children and while you people are not producing any children. At least minimum you do that much if not anything else. We did all the arrangements, dressed you up and made all photographs, for what? You are just the same! For what we did all this? So this is a warning. Now you don’t need any other. This is nothing symbolic! Absolutely you have to produce children. Otherwise I will see to it that you go out of Sahaj Yog, out of the circulation of Sahaja Yoga completely. Don’t tell me stories. I know everything. You just have them and you will know how beautiful they are and how sweet they are, how they make you happy. Ask Gavin. His face is changed since he has had [Olympia]. Even [his wife] Jane: she’s so different. And what a sweet little thing they have. One little thing is so beautiful. What about we have Datta here! Better have it. They will make you feel so nice, happy. Flowers they are, beautiful. Am I supposed to eat my dinner here? Or not? Yogi: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: If not you’d better tell. No formality. Linda Williams: Regis has cooked you something lovely Mother. Shri Mataji: Regis has done the cooking? The French one? I hope without the wine! Hmm, there he is! Hello Mr. Dattatreya. How are you? Linda Williams: He’s nearly crawling. Yogi: He is crawling. He crawls on the floor. Shri Mataji: Good, good! Come along! Hello Mr. Dattatreya [Williams], how are you? Eh? Better grow up fast! Alright? (Mother kisses the baby) He’s good now! Look at that! Hmm? May God bless you! Are you alright? Are you alright? Hello! (laughing) See how alert they are. Poor thing had to fight a lot with all of you. Olympia? Hello Olympia how are you? Ha ha! Now you tell, Jane, how you feel now, with Olympia with you. Like a doll isn’t it. Aren’t you happy now? And also I’ll tell you what: you don’t give your children to women who are not producing women. Alright, just don’t give! They are inauspicious. Nothing! Till they produce the children we are not going to give them. Outcasts. And all the men too who do not produce children. No use producing moustaches! (laughter) That anyone can do, whether you are married or not. You don’t have to impress me by that! See I wanted Cooly to go for acting. Now he’s put on moustaches he can very well go. But first he should produce a child otherwise he will not be allowed to do anything! (talking to the baby) Are you alright? See, in meditation. What’s there? What’s there? What’s there? Ohh, yah! How they know the love! You know the love! You know me! See how confident, how confident. What a blessing it is. You know in India people don’t take water given by a lady who does not have a child. Can you imagine! People don’t go to such houses. It’s inauspicious. Ask anyone. Can I have Olympia now? Can I take Olympia? Can you go to her? Do you feel like going to her now? Linda Williams: He talks a lot now. Shri Mataji: Try to take him now, let’s see! Linda Williams: He doesn’t want me! (laughter) Shri Mataji: Now take him. I’ll take Olympia for a while. Linda Williams: One day we were on the evening train and we had been putting up posters in Epsom and we came back on the rush hour train and all the people were sitting like this. You know how the English are reading their papers. And John Watkinson was with us. He was in his little trolley and he said, “Ub bub bub bub bub!” (laughter) And after a bit they all put their papers down and they started smiling. After about ten minutes the whole carriage was happy. Shri Mataji: That’s what they do! They know how to bring down! Hello Olympia! How are you? After a long time! So what have you been doing here? (baby starts crying) She’s forgotten me! You must show her my photograph otherwise doesn’t recognise. Jane Brown: She talks to your photograph! Shri Mataji: She talks to me? You talk to me? Alright, alright. Now what has happened Olympia? You know me very well! Forgotten me? What has happened? Why are you crying? Alright. On this lap you’ll be better. Should we? Can we? Alright, let’s see. There’s something wrong I think. What’s it? What’s it? Just see her vibrations. No, no, no. Jane Brown: Just the last few days it’s been like that but before that it’s been ok. Shri Mataji: She has had fever? Jane Brown: Just a little bit Shri Mataji: Just see this. You’ll be alright, you’ll be alright. Better get some sugar vibrated. The Right side is hot. Hmmm! What is there to cry? Alright? This is alright? Right side is catching. Hmmm! Alright? What do you plan so much that you have bad liver? (laughter) What do you do? What do you think so much that you have a bad liver? Jane, you be careful about your diet. Don’t take any fats I think for some time. How do you get a bad liver? Your daddy has it, alright? (laughter) He plans for everyone. Does he? I think it’s little inheritance isn’t it. Sometimes the liver also and the heart. See the combination is that. Right Agnya, Right Nabhi. Better now? Are you better? Are you better now Olympia? Are you alright? She’ll be alright. This is liver. Now you have to be careful with all that. She’s better now. She has a liver problem. And Agnya too: Right Agnya. You have to forgive! Now it’s alright, now it’s alright, everything is fine. Now, alright? Everything fine? Olympia, come now. No, I won’t have it. Now will you come? Olympia, what is there to cry?

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“Christ and Forgiveness, Caxton Hall (UK),” 11 May 1981. …to seek the truth about which all the scriptures have described. All the scriptures have said, “That you are to be born again.” You are to be born, not to read about it, not to just imagine that you are born again, not to just believe that you are born again or any artificial ritual that certifies that you are born again is to be accepted, but something definitely has to happen with us. Some experience of reality must take place within us. It's not just an idea that it is so, “Yes, yes we are born again! Now we are the chosen ones, we are the best people.” But definitely there’s something evolutionary that should manifest within us [which] has been predicted by all the scriptures, no exception at all. Right from Hinduism up to the most modern personality, [which] we can say, is the new Guru Nanaka, is the one who wrote a scripture. In the Koran it is very clearly said that you have to become the pir, the one who has the knowledge. Vedas itself says that, “By reading the Vedas” - veda means, vida means, ‘to know’ – “if you do not know then it is useless.” In the first chapter in the first stanza. It’s so clearly said there that you have to know! Something has to happen to our awareness, which does not know. That means that we are, so far, away from the knowledge and that something has to happen to our awareness by which we will know more. This knowledge is the pure knowledge of the science of Divine laws, of the Divine powers. It has been said that there is Divine power, All-pervading Power, the grace of God, all around us. Now if I give you a big lecture on this, every week I can give you a lecture “There's a Divine power here and oh what a great thing it is!” Like the other day one gentleman came to see me and he said, "Oh I am a realised-soul, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I am a realised-soul. I said, "Really." "And I am in the Divine power ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!” Then he said, “It is the Divine power I'm feeling ha, ha, ha, ha!” I started looking at him. I said, “Whom is he befooling?” He's befooling himself! Who is at a loss? It is he. It is nobody else. I mean he’s not befooling me by any chance. Even if I am a fool, no use befooling me. It is he who is befooling himself. He’s cutting the branch on which he’s standing. He is not understanding that his own personality is not worth befooling. And he was on and on for half an hour before me and I didn't know what to tell him, because what can you talk to these blind people? Those who are blind and know they are blind and profess they have eyes! They are the most dangerous people to themselves and to the society. Because once they believe into such nonsense they want everybody to believe into that. Some of them could be genuine fools, some of them could be sinister people. So it’s an experience that has to take place within you. You are not to believe me either on this point. Like I may say, “Oh, this is it!” and maybe I may create a big scene. That’s not the thing that is going to help us at all. We are the seekers of truth and unless and until we find it, why should we be satisfied with anything whatsoever. So here we are to find out the truth and the truth is very simple. It is so very simple that it's not possible to believe in it, that you are the part and parcel of the whole, and you have to feel the whole. That's what you are seeking. All your seeking form amoeba stage to this stage is this simple seeking: is to become the part and parcel of the whole, which you are already, but to know that you are, to know. So to know means in your awareness you should feel that you are the part of the whole. Once you become the whole you do not seek any more. If that seeking is completed you do not seek any more. I think today is very warm can you open some of the doors Douglas please. Since I have come it has become so warm! So the main thing one has to learn [is] that you are not to be persuaded by any talk, by any miracles so called, by any tomfoolery, but the basic happening must take place. Now this happening has been planted within us since we were amoeba. Like a seed sprouts into a tree, today we are at a stage where we are a human being. And this stage is just a transitory one to jump into another stage where you become that knowledgeable personality. And because that stage is so close that's why you are seeking very ardently. Now to talk of God in this age of science is impossible. But scientists, when they will know there is a knowledge beyond their human understanding, and when they get that awareness within themselves, then only they will know that whatever they have known so far has been of no value. That’s why all these endeavours, all these so called manifestations of human intelligence and all that, has lead them into confusions and problems. They don’t know what to do with themselves. There’s an atomic war on top of heads. There’s another shock on their heads. They don’t know what is going to happen in the future. Despite all their good wishes and benevolence they have not been able to achieve any blissful state for us. Now if I say there is God, yes there is, and there is that blissful state within us which we have to achieve by becoming one with the whole, you don't have to believe me, but don't deny me. Within us lies that pure desire, absolutely that unmanifested desire within us which in Sanskrit language is called as Kundalini. And this is lying in the triangular bone in three and a half coils. Now in the process of Sahaj Yoga you will see the pulsation of this Kundalini with your naked eyes, the pulsation rising. You can also feel the pulsation on the top of your head, about which many great saints have written very openly, especially one of the latest, Kabira has described it very, very clearly. In the sixth century Adi Shankaracharya has described it. Even in the Bible you find the description, but in a little mysterious way because people were so funny that you couldn't tell them anything straight off. As it is you know what happened. Everything that has happened on this Earth has a Divine plan, especially all the advents of people. Like Christ coming on this Earth, Moses taking people away from slavery, Krishna’s advent on this Earth, Rama’s coming on this Earth as a benevolent King. All these things have given us a special power within ourselves. These powers are all dormant. They are dormant, we can say they are sleeping, just like some candles which are not yet enlightened. When the Kundalini rises she enlightens these powers within us. So this pure desire that is within us to be one with the whole, this connects us to the whole; not only that, but it awakens all those deeper powers within us which are yet not awakened. Today I want to tell you about Christ’s powers which has never been talked about before, because those people who talked about Christ never knew this. They were not realised-souls. They were just ordinary human beings. And even those who are talking about Christ are not realised-souls. They are talking without having any knowledge as to this subtle side of Christ. Christ resides within us in this evolutionary process, in that crossing point. His Deity is placed there. Now this was not placed after Christ came in, it was placed much before when the human being was created. And then he incarnated on this Earth. Now this Deity was specially created to cross that point, that door into the Kingdom of God, which is the Sahasrara, is the thousand-petalled [lotus]: that round place which is opened, called as limbic area. On the gross level it is called as limbic area. And He was specially created for a very special job, which was never interpreted by people. When the Deity of Christ is awakened with us what does He do? It is said that, “He died for our sins.” Everybody says, “Christ died for our sins so you become Christians. So He has died for us and everything is fine!” You are not a Christian unless and until you are baptised. You are not a Jew unless and until you are baptised. Now what is the baptism we are having? Do we really get the awakening of Christ within us? Do we get the awakening of Moses within us? Do we get the awakening of Shri Krishna within us? If so we do not have those powers. When this Deity is awakened within us it is said that He died for our sins. In India we had a long theory of karma. That was at the time of Krishna [who] has described that, “Whatever karmas you do, accordingly you are born, accordingly you suffer.” This theory was at the time of Krishna, who was about six thousand years back. So by this they wanted to tell people that you build up your karmas and you will suffer accordingly. The suffering are due to the past bad behaviour, or anti God behaviour of human beings. But they found the human beings were just the same. When Moses bought Jews away from there, they were just the same. When Krishna preached, nothing happened to them: they were just the same. They would not look after their karmas, they were not bothered about their karmas, and they suffered. In their ignorance they suffered because they did not believe in those incarnations. They did not believe in any incarnations whatsoever. So they continued with what they were doing: going against their sustenance, against their dharma, against their human benevolence. So something had to be done by which one could create an instrument, which would absorb those karmas once for all. That's how Christ was created with very great effort, with very great understanding of human problems to incarnate on this Earth as an ordinary human being. And when He resurrected Himself, He showed by His life that Spirit is eternal. That’s what Krishna told you: that Spirit is eternal. Somebody had to prove it, that it is eternal, and Christ proved it, that it is eternal. So far till Christ came in, all the powers of incarnations were expressed as their personal powers: means the Goddess She came on this Earth to kill demons, Krishna came on this Earth to kill demons, to tell them what is right and wrong, Moses came on this Earth to save people. But we needed somebody who would take away the sins, who would pardon the people, who would go on this Earth as the embodiment of forgiveness. To forgive the erring human beings who were so ignorant with that love and compassion. Not to show off His great powers, which He has still, but just, through his compassion and forgiveness, to absorb the sins of these people. And this Deity was placed - long, long time back He incarnated as a human being on this Earth, but we never recognised Him. Can you imagine? Now we have so many thousands of Sahaj Yogis all over the whole world. Can you imagine there was not a single person who really, but for His Mother, really understood Him? Till He got his resurrection then they all started saying, “Ah, ah, ah.” Till then nobody would believe Him. Not like you people. But it's all right because they were not realised, so even that is forgiven. That's why He said that, “Anything against me will be tolerated,” because He knew people were not realised people. But after Realisation, after getting your enlightenment, if you do not recognise God then He's not going to forgive. Imagine! The ocean of forgiveness has denied His forgiveness. That would be the greatest crime and sin, not to recognise God after Realisation. Now, He came on this Earth to absorb the sins of the people. When the Kundalini rises, and if this Agnya opens out, which is a very difficult thing - for others I have seen it’s very much difficult. But in Sahaj Yoga today it has become really easy to awaken Christ - all the sins get lost, completely absorbed. There’s no karmas left. There are many people still flouting this idea of karmas. They are still harping on that. Because when Christ came on this Earth, and did all His miracles, and when He told them that, He’s dying for the sins of the people - and they knew this, they said it; they started preaching about it - they took Christ like a book. They used Him so wrongly and they never interpreted what it meant: that after becoming a realised-soul, when you are born again; as He said, "You are to be born again". He said it again and again these things. I must tell you I went to America in seventy three and when I was talking they were all taping me and people told me, “You should not allow them to tape You. You must have some sort of a patent or something.” I said, "What? It's very difficult." And they taped me and they said, “They'll be printing all this.” I said, “Good material then! Let it go. It's a very good thing.” After all for Realisation they have to come to Sahaj Yog. Kundalini awakening that has to happen. But let them talk about it." So actually human beings are so wonderful they know how to make mess of everything. They created organisations called twice-born because I said, “You have to be born again.” So they said, “All right, we have an organisation [called] ‘twice born’.” And these self-certificate people are all around quarrelling with me. And they said, “This we got it from America.” And they are many like these, who believe in this or that; and they have formed organisations. By forming an organisation you are not going to be born again. It's a living process. It's a living thing. You cannot just brand somebody, “You are born again”. You cannot brand someone. It has to happen. But all right whatever has happened to them will come round very soon. So, the principle of Christ when it is awakened within us, all our karmas are absorbed. What a wonderful thing it is, just think of it! Just think of it! No more sins. The past sins are lost - every sin! And when the Kundalini pierce Agnya you really become thoughtlessly aware, absolutely thoughtlessly aware. This happens to you. It’s not that, because I say, you should believe into it, but it happens to you. You yourself should find out. And when the Kundalini pierces the fontanel bone area - means when you really get you baptism in the real sense of the word, when it pierces through - then you feel start feeling the cool breeze in the hand flowing. It’s a happening; for which you cannot put in any effort. But then to keep this Deity alive you have to do something about it [so] that furthermore you do not commit this. Your sins are finished at the point when the Kundalini rises and Christ is awakened. But keep Him awakened. In the beginning it happens I have seen that you take to all things again and He sleeps off. You have to keep Him happy. And the methods which are implied to keep them happy is called as Shuddha Vidya or Nirmala Vidya - means the pure knowledge. Because once the attention is enlightened, it's not like this light. Of course this has certain powers: when there is light we can see all this clearly. You start seeing clearly all your centres within yourself and you can see the centres of other people by feeling them on your fingers. This is the minimum of minimum that happens. But you will be amazed, when these powers are properly raised within us, you get an awareness by which, if you pay attention to anything, it acts, your attention acts. This is what is called as, really, Nirmala Vidya: is the one where the attention starts acting by itself. You pay attention to something, you just think of it, and it works. Normally your attention is nothing but wherever is your desire, wherever you want to go, you can go with your attention. But it doesn't act anywhere, doesn't report anything to you. You pay attention to someone you want to know about and you get connected with that person and you know what's the matter with that person. So first of all because the Kundalini spreads in the brain, you get the awareness enlightened. First that has to be established, that the attention becomes enlightened, and that it becomes active. Active not in the wrong way, always on the right side. Whatever it does is good, it is good, good for your Spirit. There's a Sanskrit word for that is hita. All your decision making becomes very easy because if you use your vibratory awareness immediately you know that, “This is the right, this is the wrong”. You can feel it on the vibrations because now you are connected with the absolute, with your Spirit and you know what is to be done, what is not to be done. But Realisation is something like jumping from dead to life. The attention that was acting like dead becomes alive, every particle of it. So it’s a tremendous change within you and to establish that tremendous change you have to have patience and understanding. Those who have shown that patience and understanding have achieved that establishment very well. Those who have not shown that understanding have again gone back to [the] as it is position. I am here in no way to form any cult or anything, no way to get any money or any such nonsense. I am here to make you that knowledgeable personality, which you can be, very easily. Someone has to do it. You can do it tomorrow. There were two people who went to Australia and they got a thousand people realised. In India there’s one gentleman who got ten thousand people realised. You all can do it yourself; first of all you have to establish yourself. It is easy to doubt something, you should doubt, there's nothing wrong in doubting but one should know that I have nothing to gain. There are so many fake people, so many money-makers and so many misleading personalities that, when you come to me, it is going to be that way, I know. But I also think that you have come here for seeking. There's nothing to lose. But if you get this experience, this is what you are seeking for ages and you are born on this Earth in these modern times when this Maha Yoga has started. But it works slowly. You have to get it. There is no way of enlisting you as a Sahaj Yogi, there’s no way. It has to happen. I cannot have you on the register or something like that, “Put down your names, all right these are the Sahaj Yogis”. You cannot just do it. If it has not happened to you, you are not there. You have to be there. If you are not there you are not a realised-soul. You have to have it. So we cannot behave the same way as others do. The other day some Sahaj Yogis asked me that, “Mother, they are used to courses, that first day you do this course of pulling your nose, second day pulling you ears, and third day pulling your chins.” There’s nothing like that in Sahaj Yoga, a course. And I have to tell you that this is a living process. It’s something very different. There is nothing like a course because whatever you have to achieve, you achieve through your Kundalini awakening. And you realise it, that from thoughtless awareness you jump into doubtless awareness. It’s an awareness, a state, which is built within us. How can there be a course for it? There cannot be any course as such. But of course you can learn about Nirmala Vidya. You can learn how to awaken your Deities. You can learn how to raise your Kundalini. You can learn how to raise the Kundalini of others. The other point - which might upset some of the people who come for the first time, I have seen it happens - is that there could be some people among here, who call themselves Sahaj Yogis but are not up to the point. Because the door is open to everyone to come in. All kinds of people come in. Some of them may proclaim they are Sahaj Yogis, they may try to misbehave. But that doesn’t mean that something is wrong with Sahaj Yoga. But the person has not achieved that stage so far. There is nothing to be upset with people who behave like that. You should say, “He'll be all right.” They get all right afterwards no doubt. We have people who are coming directly for lunatic asylum, you’ll be surprised. Don’t be frightened, but we had [such] people. I don't know if there is somebody like that today. Directly from lunatic asylum one lady came to see me, in Leeds, and when she went back they said, “We don't need you here now you are all right.” But now such a person comes in, if you meet that person he’ll say, “Oh I am a Sahaj Yogi. I am this. I am that.” And you are not to believe such a person. You have to believe in your achievements and not the achievements of other people. This is what the Sahaj Yoga is. While in an artificial place they create a big halo around them: they’ll have ten people dressed up just to attract your attention, to impress you. They'll dress them up, they’ll study how to influence other people – such books - and they'll make these people look very attractive and very impressive. And they'll pass you through such big, big halls and big, big corridors and impress you with that. And you’ll be amazed when you reach there you'll find somebody sitting seven steps ahead of you and you have to go a bow to the person without asking any questions and you'll do it. Because you will see all these things very, very much the same as you see if you have to go to see a king, or you have to go and see some pope or somebody, that’s how all these things are very impressive. But for God it is not at all impressive. He can demolish all the wealth of the world and He can recreate it. For Him nothing is more impressive that your Spirit, the Spirit that is within. That's the most important thing. Not what country you come from, what race you come from. All these nonsensical differences do not exist in the realm of God. You are a seeker and your Spirit has to be enlightened. So maybe today we’ve got Caxton Hall, tomorrow maybe we could be sitting near a sea, or maybe somewhere on a hill. We had a problem in Australia, and we had too many people, we didn't know what to do. So we went to an open space, one of the parks, and arranged a programme. It does not matter where we have the programme, how it is organised. Maybe it is a little bit disorganised sometimes, maybe there’s a little problem here and there. That's not important. You have to experience, the experience that is very beautifully organised within you. Inside you’re well organised. See that organisation that is within you and not the organisation that is outside. The thing that is within you, the beauty within you, you must see that and experience that and enjoy that. I hope it will work out with all the new people - I think most of them are already realised - and you all will have a deeper insight into yourself and you'll enjoy the bliss and joy of the Spirit and feel the power of collective consciousness within you. This is all for the new people, but today I want to talk to old Sahaj Yogis also, something about them, about the Saraswati power within us, which I have not yet talked to you [about] so far, because you’re already using it too much. The power of Saraswati… (Mother drinks some water and pauses) This may also upset people that shoes are put up. You see, in England people might think, “Why to put up the shoes?” But you see they are supposed to respect even the shoes of a person who has vibrations, because there are lots of vibrations there. These are all things you have to gradually see why it is done. Not to get upset with things but to understand how we have to respect Divinity and the Divine power within us and within others. Now about, we have three powers within us - so that it will also be helpful to the people who have come for the first time. The one power which is starting from the right side goes to the left side, is the power of desire. In Sahaj Yoga language we call it the Mahakali power. These are also awakened within us. All these powers are awakened within us because whatever we desire, the desire comes true. After some time you find you do not desire anything that is not wanted. You only desire something that is for the good of your Spirit and the Spirit of others. That’s all you desire; you reach that stage where you do not ask. In the beginning people do ask like this, “Mother my father is sick, will you look after him?” “Mother my brother is wayward he drinks, smokes this that and can you look after him?” Then something else like that. It's not bad, but it's not the ultimate. But then you start asking, “Mother please give Realisation to people.” Then you do not say, “My brother, my sister,” you start thinking about the whole. Then you may say, “England,” you see, come up to that point, “Let England be awakened Mother, please try to help English people” like that. Then it goes to the whole world, then to the whole universe. That’s how you start expanding yourself and your awareness starts expanding. The desires change, the priorities change. Absolutely you change your priorities. You hanker after something, specially the desires of your habits. People are used to certain habits, for example some are smoking: you don't have to tell them don't smoke, don't tell them. There's no need to tell them also it causes cancer or anything - automatically they stop it, overnight. I have known people who have been drunkards: overnight they have stopped. The desire changes, the whole priority changes because it is enlightened, the power of desire is enlightened. But the other power, which is enlightened within us, is the right hand side power, is the power of action. The power of action is called as Mahasaraswati. You really act quite a lot by thinking, by planning, by physical exercise. Physically and mentally we are overactive, specially in the societies where we are supposed to be developed. We develop through using this power, the power of action. We act, and when we feel we have something surplus we take to violence also, very easily. This power of action within us is absolutely exhausted as it is. That causes lots of problems. But because of your change of desire, action also changes. The persons who were going to pub every night stop going there. They start doing something else which is much more joyful and blissful. The desire changes the action automatically. But you can also change your actions. But the subtle thing of the action is such that you realise that the power is flowing through your fingers. You realise that there’s emission of power. You go to some place, suddenly you find there's a release of power; you find some things flowing out in that area. You find out, “What sort of area is this?” You find that some great saint might have died there. Sometimes you go to some place and you find your hands are tingling. You don't like it. You ask them, “What sort of a place is this?” “This is a place where people were murdered, this happened, that happened people are very, very disturbed, there is no peace within them." So the action also changes, you change your movements. You go to places which make you happier. But the subtle side of the action is this: that the movement of these fingers, even the movement of your hand, the speech, the turning of your eye, everything is enlightened. You start growing with it. When you become subtler and subtler you get to your principle, the principle that is the Spirit. And once you reach your principle you can reach the principle of anything. But for that one has to develop the Right Side in a proper way: is to use your hands properly. For example you'll find many people raising the Kundalini like this, and may people have a very conventional ideas about things. For example if a pope takes a child, puts it in his hand, and puts some water from somewhere and makes it is baptised, everybody accepts it. Nobody has an objection for that. Or if a priest wears a funny type of a dress, which makes children frightened to begin with, or a donkey hat, nobody objects to that, because it is accepted by all our norms you see. In Singapore I was surprised that there is a pub down below and a temple on top, and run by the same organisation! Is accepted. Nobody finds it funny! But if anybody says, “I have to raise your Kundalini.” Just moves the hand: “Oh they're queer people you know, they are mad.” According to the standard of the unrealised they are mad. Now how do you raise the Kundalini? You can raise it with the attention. But it should not be done [like this], because the others should know that something has been done. Because people, unless and until they see something has been done to them they are not going to believe. Yesterday we had somebody who had bad eczema, very bad eczema. All his hands were absolutely charred and horrible, both the hands, and I asked him to put his hand towards me. Maybe he might have been cured only by putting his hands. But I had to make the mark of a cross and a swastika on his hands and it cleared out, it all became solved. So he saw me doing something. If I had said, “All right, he'll be all right,” - it happens, with Sahaj Yogis it can. But if I say that and if it happens, because attention is enlightened: “Oh it might be a coincidence!” So you have to raise the Kundalini with your hand, so the person who raises can also see [that] as far as the hand moves the Kundalini moves. You can feel it within your spine. You can see in the spine of another fellow. Then you raise it, “Oh God, it's coming up, coming up!” You see with your hand movement, and the others can also see this, and this is the action which one has to understand. When I say you have to give yourself a protection, a bondage, you have to give yourself a bandhan through your aura, you have to take your hand round and put it down like that and bring it back. When somebody does that, immediately people say, “Oh, they are mad people, they are doing hands like this!" I would compare it to Indian classical music: when an Indian classical musician sings. Why not? Our jazz music or this shaky music then they take the thing in their hands and are [making strange gestures] (Laughter). I mean, you feel they are going to break or you are going to break, the way they are all are all, “Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!” they go on. So in the beginning it was a shock to see what's happening: “Is he alright? Has he gone mad or what is he doing about it?” We could not accept it. It is, really, for old people like me, it was a shock to see the way people were holding on to it (the microphone) and, “Ho, ho, ho!” And the other people were shaking their legs like this and shaking like that, so they were going like that, this one was raising the head. (Laughter) This was the first show I saw, I think about ’65, when I came here. And just to entertain us, I don't know what got into their head! Many ladies had also come. And they invited us to this place called as ‘Talk of the Town’, I believe. And there these ladies came and they were turning their legs on top of the heads you see. All the time and we were looking everywhere, “What are they up to?” They said, “This is dancing.” “Oh this is dancing!” We couldn't believe that dancing legs is take like that is a dance. According to Indian standards is not. In Indian standard the dance cannot be with her long leg like that, raising up straight like that. This is exercise: according to Indian standard it is exercise. I mean, for us the old people, I am saying. But the young people may accept this kind of a [thing]. And the whole thing filled us with such nauseas. And we didn’t know what was happening to us. I was so stunned. I mean, somebody should have taken our photograph - the way we were ignorant about it. In the same way the people might find it little abnormal the way we have to do the Kundalini awakening, though it’s not so bad, you see, I must tell you. (Laughter) It's quite gracious. It acts very graciously. But one should not have fixed ideas also. You must keep yourself open to see that this is the work of the Divine and one has to raise that. Now somebody might see Christ standing with a finger like that. It has a great meaning, what it means, in Sahaj Yoga you can understand. In Sahaj Yoga you can understand what does this mean, is His Father. You know. Those who know what are these fingers for, you will know what it means. He always pointed to these two fingers. That is His Father, which he described. Everything that…now Buddha sitting with another kind of a mudra, somebody is doing like this, somebody that: you don't understand why, why they did it. But we have accepted that point. And we have accepted that, so we don't mind. But when this is a new thing that is happening to us people do not want to accept. This was a very, very secret knowledge once upon a time. Just like you had only one king who had seven wives, but nowadays everyone can have twenty-one if they want to, in the same way in your inner being you are all now capable of becoming kings. You are all capable of becoming great people. Outside you have lost inside you have gained. Outside you have lost much by thinking that all these wrong things that these so called powerful people did was something to be achieved. That’s how you have lost, but your Spirit has gained. It has gained a lot because you realise now: you have reached that stage where you realise that it was a mistake. It was a mistake that we thought this kind of power is going to make us happy, this kind of thing is going to give us joy. Now you are realising, all of a us are realising that, that was not the thing we asked for. It's a miserable state that we have landed ourselves in… (tape sound drops out here) …and the inner joy has to be experienced. And you are just ready for that. So this action power within us has to be kept very clean. Now for Sahaj Yogis as I say, there is no ritual that way. Ritualistic things always make you absolutely dead. There should not be any. Like early in the morning you start with a mantra go on repeating mantra like a mechanical thing. It's absolutely paying no respect to the Deity. But in a proper way whichever Deity you want to awaken: think of the Deity, try to cleanse it, with all understanding and deliberations, with respect, with a protocol. And not just to take somebody's name, just go chanting any mantra you feel like. It's not a mechanical thing. Some people just start doing it mechanically because they have done things before also mechanically. Sahaj Yoga is a thing that has to come from heart. It is heartfelt. If you do not do it from your heart it has no meaning. You may carry on like that but you’ll find after sometime you have lost your vibrations, you have lost the cool breeze. Because heart doesn’t like mechanical things. Every day it does new things - like the living things, they are everyday a new flower, a new style, a new method. It never sticks on to habits. It never sticks on to the same routine of things. This way you come sometime, the other way you come sometime. It’s bubbling everyday with new appearances. And so the mechanical things that you do deaden this power of Saraswati. One has to do it with complete love towards yourself and towards others; with complete esteem of your being and the esteem of others. The whole behaviour should be such. While I find some people are still taking to very childish behaviour. And some are taking to very broodish behaviour. Sahaj Yoga should be in the centre. There's a difference between childish and childlike. You can be innocent like a child but you are matured, you understand things. And the both things [combined] make a special dignified personality of such a person. All these things come to you from this Right Side power when you use it properly. Unless and until you have this properly established you cannot impress other people by your behaviour. Other people, new people, who come to you should see this majesty, this royalty within you, which you are enjoying as a bliss from God Almighty. May God Bless you all! I would like to have some questions from the new people it's a good idea. Hello! Hello! They recognise me. Let them enjoy, let them have their freedom they know what to do. Whatever they do they have a meaning. Can I have some questions? Seeker: Can you be sick and then be born-again after a great illness or something like that? After a great illness, something that you thought you were not going to be here any longer? Shri Mataji: You mean to say, after a great illness can you be born again? Yes, yes of course yes. Actually when you are born again you are cleansed completely and you get cured. We have cured cancer. Cancer is very easy to be cured by Sahaj Yog. So many diseases are cured just as soon as the Kundalini comes up. It has a cleansing power: it cleanses, your physical, your mental, your emotional being. It does cleanse you, no doubt about it. It does. But it just does it because that's its job, swabhava (स्वभाव), is the nature. That’s the nature of Kundalini that she cleanses you. Same Seeker: Yeah, when I came here the last time and they did say I had something with my chest. Well, afterwards I went to the university hospital and all of the other places and they said there was nothing wrong with my chest. And when I came here I couldn’t even breathe and you said there was something wrong with my chest but the doctor never said that. Shri Mataji: Yes. Now you see, this is the thing: doctors only know the physical side of human being they do not know the mental side. And you'll be surprised that I found out [that] even a disease like cancer starts from mental side, it’s from the left side it starts. Now the doctors have accepted that there are some proteins within us, which are placed in the areas, which are unknown to us, since our creation and they attack us. So the problem you have had, doctors will say there's nothing wrong with you, till it manifests its physical side. So if there is any problem in your chest we will know first and doctors will know much later. Maybe it would be so difficult that they may not be able to do anything about it. Now the other day we had a boy who suffers from asthma, who could not be cured by anything. But it could be cured by Sahaj Yog, because it not only caters to the physical side but to the mental side - you don’t have to go to psychologist and to a doctor; only your Kundalini does everything - and your spiritual problem. Like we had a telephone call from Australia saying that there’s one gentleman who has come from Transcendental Meditation and he is behaving like an animal: he’s growling and he’s making all kinds of noises and this and that, and he has been to doctors to show this. And the doctor said, “We cannot cure the people who go to TM!” Better ask TM people. He asked TM people, they said, “You are stressing and you are taking out the stress,” and this and that. And he said, "This is an eternal process. For the last twelve years I have been nothing but stressing out, and what am I stressing out? Nothing comes out, it is increasing!” But on the phone I told him something which relieved him of his problem. So these things cannot be understood by doctors. Even the doctors have to come for this. The psychologists do not know about the physical side and the physical doctors do not know about the psychology. When I said it to you [that] there must be some problem and now if it is clear we’ll see about it. And you yourself will know that. You yourself felt that way. Same Seeker: Yeah, but I knew it was there… Shri Mataji: Yes it was there. But doctors won't be able to. So it’s such a subtle thing. It finds out everything. Even before the trouble starts, which is manifesting outside, you know it inside - even the slightest of it, even the slightest of it. Yes, what is it? Lady seeker: Shri Mataji: You feel terrible things? Here is our attention in the stomach, you know. Here is the attention within us. And is the Principle of the Guru, is the principle of the Master, the Primordial Master. He’s within us here. He’s to be awakened. Now the guidance we take from others you see sometimes could be upsetting that; or the way we listen to some people. You see, some people talk we just don't like it. Sometimes with me it is that even if I see somebody I feel something is like that, you see. That sensitivity is a very good sign. And it can be corrected in Sahaj Yoga that you can register it, but you do not feel that sense. You just register, of course, that sensitivity is not lost, but it’s impact is not lost, but it’s impact is not so much: you just feel it and you just say, “He is catching on the void,” you see – that’s how. Then you see that it is happening to another person, not to yourself. That’s what happens to you after Realisation. You get rid of all that. It’s a very good sign to have all that. Lady Seeker: It is? Shri Mataji: It is of course it is. Yes, that’s a very good sign that you are very sensitive about it. That means you are a seeker of ages. Seeker: I had a type of operation on my kidney. I didn’t know I had a damaged kidney at the time, but I went to somebody and they told me that I’d got a stone on my kidney. So at the time I was more dead than alive and I didn’t care about anything. But he decided to operate on me. This doctor was very good man and he told me. And I didn’t know I had anything wrong with my kidneys. But I had to see him for something else and he said I must see him before I go away I must see him and get this thing done. That was in 1952. Shri Mataji: That’s what it is, that's what, without seeing what it is how can you say? And you must see it. You must see for yourself. This is what is Sahaj Yog: in which you have to see it. And the knowledge that comes through you is so clear cut, but first you don’t believe it. You just can't believe it! It's so fantastic you just don't believe it. But like this lady says, now if she goes and tells somebody about this they'll say, “Oh this woman!” Either they'll say she’s mad, or they'll say she needs psychological treatment or they’ll say, “Forget it!” Nobody is going to believe because they don't have this problem. You see that's it. Unless and until you see it you are not going to see it, that's very true. What you say is true: unless and until you see it how are you going to believe. Any other question? Same seeker: (Gives a very long speech) At the same time when that happened, I didn’t go for my kidney….and it’s much better now. And I didn’t know it at the time that there was anything like this. It was 1952. I saw him once and I’ve never been back to him. Shri Mataji: So then how are you feeling now? No it was something else you see which you will know, gradually what it was, it has to be cleared out. It's not a germ. It’s from the Left Side you are getting it from the back here. It’s the yellow centre you see here, has two sides right and left it moves on both the sides. And on left side is the centre which we call as Left Swadishthan, we call it Left Swadishthana is the centre, and which is for black magic. You see, when people do any black magic on you, you get a problem. And naturally when it starts manifesting it affects the kidney because it’s very close to the kidney. So first it starts as a black magic thing. And then, when we raise the Kundalini it was pushed up to here and it could not get out from there. So the thing is that it moves also, you can feel the movement of it. After some time, if it is not gone you feel it's here, it's here, it's here. The thing starts moving and doctors may say, “You better take B complex to get rid of it.” And you cannot. It's a Spirit. It’s a Spirit that moves and once it starts moving we know how to take it out and how to work it out. So there are ways and methods by which we really take it out. There is a force, a satanic force, that does all these things. It’s a fact. He has felt you. He has that sensitivity. You must be that sensitive to act. See on the stomach. Because your stomach is weak. They know how to work, where to work, where to go. I’m so interested in that. Lady seeker: If the centres get blocked then is there one particular centre that gets blocked then how do you clear it? Shri Mataji: If they're blocked we have ways and methods how to raise them. Lady seeker: If the centre heart got completely blocked up what would happen? Shri Mataji: I think the first, second, third, fourth one you mean to say? That is the centre of security. And if it is blocked you problems like breast problems and things like that and also breathing sometimes you get. Is a sense of security and there is a Deity there. Is the Deity which is the Mother of the Universe, and you have to awaken Her. If She’s awakened then you don’t have those problems. It’s very simple. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Seeker: Yes, I’m feeling as though the electricity is flowing through me and I’m feeling it. (Laughter) Shri Mataji: (Laughing) .Just put your hand towards me. Yes it's something like that! Seeker: Yes, and now I’m thinking that something’s blocked in me. Shri Mataji: (Laughing). Now all of you just put your hands towards me like this. Close your eyes. Put your both the legs straight on the ground, straight on the ground. Just like that. But as I told you even if you get Realisation doesn't mean that you have achieved it. You have to establish it, which is very important, because the whole thing is a transformation and to establish it, it takes time. So just coming today, getting Realisation and finishing off, is of no help. It’s wastage of time for me and you also. And again you'll come back with a greater problem because once you are realised you must establish it. You must establish: is an essential part of the whole thing. Will you please place your hands towards me. Lady seeker: (unclear) Some people get it really permanently I think, some people do get it permanently but some people leave it for a while. You see, it is for us to maintain it, to establish it. Once it is awakened it is awakened. I have seen people who get lost for about four, five months - again they come back. But then they are not so much progressed as the people who have continued to progress, you see. You must know that you are the seekers and without seeking you are not going to be happy. So why go half-baked about it? It's not a shopping. It’s something that is real, that’s important, that’s vital. So you must know something that is vital. Lady seeker: Should you meditate for (unclear)? Shri Mataji: No, no. There's no time. Now, no space, no time, nothing! It is all the time you are in meditation. All the time. Whatever you are doing, you are in meditation. So please put your hands towards me like this. Put your hands out. Close your eyes please. She too has a little breathing problem that needs to be corrected. Close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Put your hands straight towards me. Straight, like this. Because if there is any shaking in the hands you can see. Little bit away from your [legs], like this. Not on the knees, because in the beginning you must see where is the heaviness. Now what I feel is more on the heart. Now put your right hand on the heart, right hand on the heart. Now you have to ask for forgiveness. Saying that, “If we done anything wrong please forgive us.” You have to ask for forgiveness. Now when I say that ,immediately you start catching the centre which shows that you are guilty. You are not to be guilty. Once you say that it’s finished: that's why you say it, just to clear it out. Just put your hand on your heart and your left hand towards me. You say it without any guilt being built within you. Just say it. Because you could have committed mistakes. After all to err is human and to forgive Divine. Do not build up any guilt at all. What is this guilt for? Let someone take the baby and take him around. Do not build your guilt. That is one thing happens very often. You catch on the heart, you ask for forgiveness and you start thinking, “I've done this, I have done…” Forget about it! Forget it! Forget it! So it goes to the third point. This is a very common circuit in the developed countries. The third circuit is where you have to forgive yourself and forgive others. Agnya chakra you catch. So you forgive. First of all you forgive yourself. You have to respect yourself because you are the temple of God. Forgive yourself! Can you forgive yourself? Close your eyes and forgive yourself. Respect yourself. You have to respect yourself because you are asking for something because you deserve it. Whatever you have done is finished now so just forgive yourself. Now you put your right hand towards me, and left hand on the stomach and forgive others. Just on the stomach, more on the liver. And forgive others! Forgive others! Forgive everyone! Even if they have harmed you, just forgive them. Because by remembering that you are miserable for nothing at all. Now put both the hands towards me and watch me without thinking. Let’s see if you can do it without thinking. Just watch me without thinking. Watch my face, without thinking. Now there are many ways you can still feel and you can stabilise with it. But as in your awareness you have everything, but in the beginning you try to raise the Kundalini and establish it. Then only certain things are supposed to be explained to us: how to do it, which is more. Because the truth is helpless, you cannot bear it, change it. They could not bear the truth that Christ was the incarnation, that He was the Son of God, and they killed him. It’s very difficult. Human beings have such a tremendous ego that they cannot bear anything. So everything is not told to you at the beginning. But gradually you will build up that sense. And once you are ready to receive the truth, in its full capacities, you will know. But not at the beginning (inaudible) of the Diety the Spirit that you are. But even with this you can show people and give it to them. But first of all you must cure yourself, you must respect yourself, and cure, that is very important. If you have been to other gurus and you have been harmed by that, then there are certain things that you have to do. If you have left sided problems or anything, there are certain things that need to be done. For that you have to come to the centre, enquire and find out all about it: what has to be done. Because now you are realised you can cure yourself, you don’t need anybody else to do it. Only thing you have to know how to do it. Once you cure yourself you can get to another people. For curing this trouble or any of your troubles there are particular things that have to be done. And they will tell you how to do it, how to awaken the Diety of the Primordial Master within us, by which He looks after the void. And all the other problems can be solved as soon as you know how to solve them. All that knowledge is absolutely free, with love, with great joy. You can't pay for it, you never pay for it. I hope every Monday you'll be the first ones to come here. There may be some negative forces which will come and stop you, but don’t listen to them. Secondly, ego-business is quite a lot. Just try to establish yourself . Go deep into yourself. And establish all your powers. These are your own absolutely your own, which you get. May God bless you! You can see the feeling on top of your heads. You can feel it very clearly. Feel the cool breeze. So that you will know that there is Realisation. Then you start seeing things, how it works out. It just works out. Just works out. So can I go?

“Christ and Forgiveness, Caxton Hall (UK),” 11 May 1981. …to seek the truth about which all the scriptures have described. All the scriptures have said, “That you are to be born again.” You are to be born, not to read about it, not to just imagine that you are born again, not to just believe that you are born again or any artificial ritual that certifies that you are born again is to be accepted, but something definitely has to happen with us. Some experience of reality must take place within us. It's not just an idea that it is so, “Yes, yes we are born again! Now we are the chosen ones, we are the best people.” But definitely there’s something evolutionary that should manifest within us [which] has been predicted by all the scriptures, no exception at all. Right from Hinduism up to the most modern personality, [which] we can say, is the new Guru Nanaka, is the one who wrote a scripture. In the Koran it is very clearly said that you have to become the pir, the one who has the knowledge. Vedas itself says that, “By reading the Vedas” - veda means, vida means, ‘to know’ – “if you do not know then it is useless.” In the first chapter in the first stanza. It’s so clearly said there that you have to know! Something has to happen to our awareness, which does not know. That means that we are, so far, away from the knowledge and that something has to happen to our awareness by which we will know more. This knowledge is the pure knowledge of the science of Divine laws, of the Divine powers. It has been said that there is Divine power, All-pervading Power, the grace of God, all around us. Now if I give you a big lecture on this, every week I can give you a lecture “There's a Divine power here and oh what a great thing it is!” Like the other day one gentleman came to see me and he said, "Oh I am a realised-soul, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I am a realised-soul. I said, "Really." "And I am in the Divine power ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!” Then he said, “It is the Divine power I'm feeling ha, ha, ha, ha!” I started looking at him. I said, “Whom is he befooling?” He's befooling himself! Who is at a loss? It is he. It is nobody else. I mean he’s not befooling me by any chance. Even if I am a fool, no use befooling me. It is he who is befooling himself. He’s cutting the branch on which he’s standing. He is not understanding that his own personality is not worth befooling. And he was on and on for half an hour before me and I didn't know what to tell him, because what can you talk to these blind people? Those who are blind and know they are blind and profess they have eyes! They are the most dangerous people to themselves and to the society. Because once they believe into such nonsense they want everybody to believe into that. Some of them could be genuine fools, some of them could be sinister people. So it’s an experience that has to take place within you. You are not to believe me either on this point. Like I may say, “Oh, this is it!” and maybe I may create a big scene. That’s not the thing that is going to help us at all. We are the seekers of truth and unless and until we find it, why should we be satisfied with anything whatsoever. So here we are to find out the truth and the truth is very simple. It is so very simple that it's not possible to believe in it, that you are the part and parcel of the whole, and you have to feel the whole. That's what you are seeking. All your seeking form amoeba stage to this stage is this simple seeking: is to become the part and parcel of the whole, which you are already, but to know that you are, to know. So to know means in your awareness you should feel that you are the part of the whole. Once you become the whole you do not seek any more. If that seeking is completed you do not seek any more. I think today is very warm can you open some of the doors Douglas please. Since I have come it has become so warm! So the main thing one has to learn [is] that you are not to be persuaded by any talk, by any miracles so called, by any tomfoolery, but the basic happening must take place. Now this happening has been planted within us since we were amoeba. Like a seed sprouts into a tree, today we are at a stage where we are a human being. And this stage is just a transitory one to jump into another stage where you become that knowledgeable personality. And because that stage is so close that's why you are seeking very ardently. Now to talk of God in this age of science is impossible. But scientists, when they will know there is a knowledge beyond their human understanding, and when they get that awareness within themselves, then only they will know that whatever they have known so far has been of no value. That’s why all these endeavours, all these so called manifestations of human intelligence and all that, has lead them into confusions and problems. They don’t know what to do with themselves. There’s an atomic war on top of heads. There’s another shock on their heads. They don’t know what is going to happen in the future. Despite all their good wishes and benevolence they have not been able to achieve any blissful state for us. Now if I say there is God, yes there is, and there is that blissful state within us which we have to achieve by becoming one with the whole, you don't have to believe me, but don't deny me. Within us lies that pure desire, absolutely that unmanifested desire within us which in Sanskrit language is called as Kundalini. And this is lying in the triangular bone in three and a half coils. Now in the process of Sahaj Yoga you will see the pulsation of this Kundalini with your naked eyes, the pulsation rising. You can also feel the pulsation on the top of your head, about which many great saints have written very openly, especially one of the latest, Kabira has described it very, very clearly. In the sixth century Adi Shankaracharya has described it. Even in the Bible you find the description, but in a little mysterious way because people were so funny that you couldn't tell them anything straight off. As it is you know what happened. Everything that has happened on this Earth has a Divine plan, especially all the advents of people. Like Christ coming on this Earth, Moses taking people away from slavery, Krishna’s advent on this Earth, Rama’s coming on this Earth as a benevolent King. All these things have given us a special power within ourselves. These powers are all dormant. They are dormant, we can say they are sleeping, just like some candles which are not yet enlightened. When the Kundalini rises she enlightens these powers within us. So this pure desire that is within us to be one with the whole, this connects us to the whole; not only that, but it awakens all those deeper powers within us which are yet not awakened. Today I want to tell you about Christ’s powers which has never been talked about before, because those people who talked about Christ never knew this. They were not realised-souls. They were just ordinary human beings. And even those who are talking about Christ are not realised-souls. They are talking without having any knowledge as to this subtle side of Christ. Christ resides within us in this evolutionary process, in that crossing point. His Deity is placed there. Now this was not placed after Christ came in, it was placed much before when the human being was created. And then he incarnated on this Earth. Now this Deity was specially created to cross that point, that door into the Kingdom of God, which is the Sahasrara, is the thousand-petalled [lotus]: that round place which is opened, called as limbic area. On the gross level it is called as limbic area. And He was specially created for a very special job, which was never interpreted by people. When the Deity of Christ is awakened with us what does He do? It is said that, “He died for our sins.” Everybody says, “Christ died for our sins so you become Christians. So He has died for us and everything is fine!” You are not a Christian unless and until you are baptised. You are not a Jew unless and until you are baptised. Now what is the baptism we are having? Do we really get the awakening of Christ within us? Do we get the awakening of Moses within us? Do we get the awakening of Shri Krishna within us? If so we do not have those powers. When this Deity is awakened within us it is said that He died for our sins. In India we had a long theory of karma. That was at the time of Krishna [who] has described that, “Whatever karmas you do, accordingly you are born, accordingly you suffer.” This theory was at the time of Krishna, who was about six thousand years back. So by this they wanted to tell people that you build up your karmas and you will suffer accordingly. The suffering are due to the past bad behaviour, or anti God behaviour of human beings. But they found the human beings were just the same. When Moses bought Jews away from there, they were just the same. When Krishna preached, nothing happened to them: they were just the same. They would not look after their karmas, they were not bothered about their karmas, and they suffered. In their ignorance they suffered because they did not believe in those incarnations. They did not believe in any incarnations whatsoever. So they continued with what they were doing: going against their sustenance, against their dharma, against their human benevolence. So something had to be done by which one could create an instrument, which would absorb those karmas once for all. That's how Christ was created with very great effort, with very great understanding of human problems to incarnate on this Earth as an ordinary human being. And when He resurrected Himself, He showed by His life that Spirit is eternal. That’s what Krishna told you: that Spirit is eternal. Somebody had to prove it, that it is eternal, and Christ proved it, that it is eternal. So far till Christ came in, all the powers of incarnations were expressed as their personal powers: means the Goddess She came on this Earth to kill demons, Krishna came on this Earth to kill demons, to tell them what is right and wrong, Moses came on this Earth to save people. But we needed somebody who would take away the sins, who would pardon the people, who would go on this Earth as the embodiment of forgiveness. To forgive the erring human beings who were so ignorant with that love and compassion. Not to show off His great powers, which He has still, but just, through his compassion and forgiveness, to absorb the sins of these people. And this Deity was placed - long, long time back He incarnated as a human being on this Earth, but we never recognised Him. Can you imagine? Now we have so many thousands of Sahaj Yogis all over the whole world. Can you imagine there was not a single person who really, but for His Mother, really understood Him? Till He got his resurrection then they all started saying, “Ah, ah, ah.” Till then nobody would believe Him. Not like you people. But it's all right because they were not realised, so even that is forgiven. That's why He said that, “Anything against me will be tolerated,” because He knew people were not realised people. But after Realisation, after getting your enlightenment, if you do not recognise God then He's not going to forgive. Imagine! The ocean of forgiveness has denied His forgiveness. That would be the greatest crime and sin, not to recognise God after Realisation. Now, He came on this Earth to absorb the sins of the people. When the Kundalini rises, and if this Agnya opens out, which is a very difficult thing - for others I have seen it’s very much difficult. But in Sahaj Yoga today it has become really easy to awaken Christ - all the sins get lost, completely absorbed. There’s no karmas left. There are many people still flouting this idea of karmas. They are still harping on that. Because when Christ came on this Earth, and did all His miracles, and when He told them that, He’s dying for the sins of the people - and they knew this, they said it; they started preaching about it - they took Christ like a book. They used Him so wrongly and they never interpreted what it meant: that after becoming a realised-soul, when you are born again; as He said, "You are to be born again". He said it again and again these things. I must tell you I went to America in seventy three and when I was talking they were all taping me and people told me, “You should not allow them to tape You. You must have some sort of a patent or something.” I said, "What? It's very difficult." And they taped me and they said, “They'll be printing all this.” I said, “Good material then! Let it go. It's a very good thing.” After all for Realisation they have to come to Sahaj Yog. Kundalini awakening that has to happen. But let them talk about it." So actually human beings are so wonderful they know how to make mess of everything. They created organisations called twice-born because I said, “You have to be born again.” So they said, “All right, we have an organisation [called] ‘twice born’.” And these self-certificate people are all around quarrelling with me. And they said, “This we got it from America.” And they are many like these, who believe in this or that; and they have formed organisations. By forming an organisation you are not going to be born again. It's a living process. It's a living thing. You cannot just brand somebody, “You are born again”. You cannot brand someone. It has to happen. But all right whatever has happened to them will come round very soon. So, the principle of Christ when it is awakened within us, all our karmas are absorbed. What a wonderful thing it is, just think of it! Just think of it! No more sins. The past sins are lost - every sin! And when the Kundalini pierce Agnya you really become thoughtlessly aware, absolutely thoughtlessly aware. This happens to you. It’s not that, because I say, you should believe into it, but it happens to you. You yourself should find out. And when the Kundalini pierces the fontanel bone area - means when you really get you baptism in the real sense of the word, when it pierces through - then you feel start feeling the cool breeze in the hand flowing. It’s a happening; for which you cannot put in any effort. But then to keep this Deity alive you have to do something about it [so] that furthermore you do not commit this. Your sins are finished at the point when the Kundalini rises and Christ is awakened. But keep Him awakened. In the beginning it happens I have seen that you take to all things again and He sleeps off. You have to keep Him happy. And the methods which are implied to keep them happy is called as Shuddha Vidya or Nirmala Vidya - means the pure knowledge. Because once the attention is enlightened, it's not like this light. Of course this has certain powers: when there is light we can see all this clearly. You start seeing clearly all your centres within yourself and you can see the centres of other people by feeling them on your fingers. This is the minimum of minimum that happens. But you will be amazed, when these powers are properly raised within us, you get an awareness by which, if you pay attention to anything, it acts, your attention acts. This is what is called as, really, Nirmala Vidya: is the one where the attention starts acting by itself. You pay attention to something, you just think of it, and it works. Normally your attention is nothing but wherever is your desire, wherever you want to go, you can go with your attention. But it doesn't act anywhere, doesn't report anything to you. You pay attention to someone you want to know about and you get connected with that person and you know what's the matter with that person. So first of all because the Kundalini spreads in the brain, you get the awareness enlightened. First that has to be established, that the attention becomes enlightened, and that it becomes active. Active not in the wrong way, always on the right side. Whatever it does is good, it is good, good for your Spirit. There's a Sanskrit word for that is hita. All your decision making becomes very easy because if you use your vibratory awareness immediately you know that, “This is the right, this is the wrong”. You can feel it on the vibrations because now you are connected with the absolute, with your Spirit and you know what is to be done, what is not to be done. But Realisation is something like jumping from dead to life. The attention that was acting like dead becomes alive, every particle of it. So it’s a tremendous change within you and to establish that tremendous change you have to have patience and understanding. Those who have shown that patience and understanding have achieved that establishment very well. Those who have not shown that understanding have again gone back to [the] as it is position. I am here in no way to form any cult or anything, no way to get any money or any such nonsense. I am here to make you that knowledgeable personality, which you can be, very easily. Someone has to do it. You can do it tomorrow. There were two people who went to Australia and they got a thousand people realised. In India there’s one gentleman who got ten thousand people realised. You all can do it yourself; first of all you have to establish yourself. It is easy to doubt something, you should doubt, there's nothing wrong in doubting but one should know that I have nothing to gain. There are so many fake people, so many money-makers and so many misleading personalities that, when you come to me, it is going to be that way, I know. But I also think that you have come here for seeking. There's nothing to lose. But if you get this experience, this is what you are seeking for ages and you are born on this Earth in these modern times when this Maha Yoga has started. But it works slowly. You have to get it. There is no way of enlisting you as a Sahaj Yogi, there’s no way. It has to happen. I cannot have you on the register or something like that, “Put down your names, all right these are the Sahaj Yogis”. You cannot just do it. If it has not happened to you, you are not there. You have to be there. If you are not there you are not a realised-soul. You have to have it. So we cannot behave the same way as others do. The other day some Sahaj Yogis asked me that, “Mother, they are used to courses, that first day you do this course of pulling your nose, second day pulling you ears, and third day pulling your chins.” There’s nothing like that in Sahaj Yoga, a course. And I have to tell you that this is a living process. It’s something very different. There is nothing like a course because whatever you have to achieve, you achieve through your Kundalini awakening. And you realise it, that from thoughtless awareness you jump into doubtless awareness. It’s an awareness, a state, which is built within us. How can there be a course for it? There cannot be any course as such. But of course you can learn about Nirmala Vidya. You can learn how to awaken your Deities. You can learn how to raise your Kundalini. You can learn how to raise the Kundalini of others. The other point - which might upset some of the people who come for the first time, I have seen it happens - is that there could be some people among here, who call themselves Sahaj Yogis but are not up to the point. Because the door is open to everyone to come in. All kinds of people come in. Some of them may proclaim they are Sahaj Yogis, they may try to misbehave. But that doesn’t mean that something is wrong with Sahaj Yoga. But the person has not achieved that stage so far. There is nothing to be upset with people who behave like that. You should say, “He'll be all right.” They get all right afterwards no doubt. We have people who are coming directly for lunatic asylum, you’ll be surprised. Don’t be frightened, but we had [such] people. I don't know if there is somebody like that today. Directly from lunatic asylum one lady came to see me, in Leeds, and when she went back they said, “We don't need you here now you are all right.” But now such a person comes in, if you meet that person he’ll say, “Oh I am a Sahaj Yogi. I am this. I am that.” And you are not to believe such a person. You have to believe in your achievements and not the achievements of other people. This is what the Sahaj Yoga is. While in an artificial place they create a big halo around them: they’ll have ten people dressed up just to attract your attention, to impress you. They'll dress them up, they’ll study how to influence other people – such books - and they'll make these people look very attractive and very impressive. And they'll pass you through such big, big halls and big, big corridors and impress you with that. And you’ll be amazed when you reach there you'll find somebody sitting seven steps ahead of you and you have to go a bow to the person without asking any questions and you'll do it. Because you will see all these things very, very much the same as you see if you have to go to see a king, or you have to go and see some pope or somebody, that’s how all these things are very impressive. But for God it is not at all impressive. He can demolish all the wealth of the world and He can recreate it. For Him nothing is more impressive that your Spirit, the Spirit that is within. That's the most important thing. Not what country you come from, what race you come from. All these nonsensical differences do not exist in the realm of God. You are a seeker and your Spirit has to be enlightened. So maybe today we’ve got Caxton Hall, tomorrow maybe we could be sitting near a sea, or maybe somewhere on a hill. We had a problem in Australia, and we had too many people, we didn't know what to do. So we went to an open space, one of the parks, and arranged a programme. It does not matter where we have the programme, how it is organised. Maybe it is a little bit disorganised sometimes, maybe there’s a little problem here and there. That's not important. You have to experience, the experience that is very beautifully organised within you. Inside you’re well organised. See that organisation that is within you and not the organisation that is outside. The thing that is within you, the beauty within you, you must see that and experience that and enjoy that. I hope it will work out with all the new people - I think most of them are already realised - and you all will have a deeper insight into yourself and you'll enjoy the bliss and joy of the Spirit and feel the power of collective consciousness within you. This is all for the new people, but today I want to talk to old Sahaj Yogis also, something about them, about the Saraswati power within us, which I have not yet talked to you [about] so far, because you’re already using it too much. The power of Saraswati… (Mother drinks some water and pauses) This may also upset people that shoes are put up. You see, in England people might think, “Why to put up the shoes?” But you see they are supposed to respect even the shoes of a person who has vibrations, because there are lots of vibrations there. These are all things you have to gradually see why it is done. Not to get upset with things but to understand how we have to respect Divinity and the Divine power within us and within others. Now about, we have three powers within us - so that it will also be helpful to the people who have come for the first time. The one power which is starting from the right side goes to the left side, is the power of desire. In Sahaj Yoga language we call it the Mahakali power. These are also awakened within us. All these powers are awakened within us because whatever we desire, the desire comes true. After some time you find you do not desire anything that is not wanted. You only desire something that is for the good of your Spirit and the Spirit of others. That’s all you desire; you reach that stage where you do not ask. In the beginning people do ask like this, “Mother my father is sick, will you look after him?” “Mother my brother is wayward he drinks, smokes this that and can you look after him?” Then something else like that. It's not bad, but it's not the ultimate. But then you start asking, “Mother please give Realisation to people.” Then you do not say, “My brother, my sister,” you start thinking about the whole. Then you may say, “England,” you see, come up to that point, “Let England be awakened Mother, please try to help English people” like that. Then it goes to the whole world, then to the whole universe. That’s how you start expanding yourself and your awareness starts expanding. The desires change, the priorities change. Absolutely you change your priorities. You hanker after something, specially the desires of your habits. People are used to certain habits, for example some are smoking: you don't have to tell them don't smoke, don't tell them. There's no need to tell them also it causes cancer or anything - automatically they stop it, overnight. I have known people who have been drunkards: overnight they have stopped. The desire changes, the whole priority changes because it is enlightened, the power of desire is enlightened. But the other power, which is enlightened within us, is the right hand side power, is the power of action. The power of action is called as Mahasaraswati. You really act quite a lot by thinking, by planning, by physical exercise. Physically and mentally we are overactive, specially in the societies where we are supposed to be developed. We develop through using this power, the power of action. We act, and when we feel we have something surplus we take to violence also, very easily. This power of action within us is absolutely exhausted as it is. That causes lots of problems. But because of your change of desire, action also changes. The persons who were going to pub every night stop going there. They start doing something else which is much more joyful and blissful. The desire changes the action automatically. But you can also change your actions. But the subtle thing of the action is such that you realise that the power is flowing through your fingers. You realise that there’s emission of power. You go to some place, suddenly you find there's a release of power; you find some things flowing out in that area. You find out, “What sort of area is this?” You find that some great saint might have died there. Sometimes you go to some place and you find your hands are tingling. You don't like it. You ask them, “What sort of a place is this?” “This is a place where people were murdered, this happened, that happened people are very, very disturbed, there is no peace within them." So the action also changes, you change your movements. You go to places which make you happier. But the subtle side of the action is this: that the movement of these fingers, even the movement of your hand, the speech, the turning of your eye, everything is enlightened. You start growing with it. When you become subtler and subtler you get to your principle, the principle that is the Spirit. And once you reach your principle you can reach the principle of anything. But for that one has to develop the Right Side in a proper way: is to use your hands properly. For example you'll find many people raising the Kundalini like this, and may people have a very conventional ideas about things. For example if a pope takes a child, puts it in his hand, and puts some water from somewhere and makes it is baptised, everybody accepts it. Nobody has an objection for that. Or if a priest wears a funny type of a dress, which makes children frightened to begin with, or a donkey hat, nobody objects to that, because it is accepted by all our norms you see. In Singapore I was surprised that there is a pub down below and a temple on top, and run by the same organisation! Is accepted. Nobody finds it funny! But if anybody says, “I have to raise your Kundalini.” Just moves the hand: “Oh they're queer people you know, they are mad.” According to the standard of the unrealised they are mad. Now how do you raise the Kundalini? You can raise it with the attention. But it should not be done [like this], because the others should know that something has been done. Because people, unless and until they see something has been done to them they are not going to believe. Yesterday we had somebody who had bad eczema, very bad eczema. All his hands were absolutely charred and horrible, both the hands, and I asked him to put his hand towards me. Maybe he might have been cured only by putting his hands. But I had to make the mark of a cross and a swastika on his hands and it cleared out, it all became solved. So he saw me doing something. If I had said, “All right, he'll be all right,” - it happens, with Sahaj Yogis it can. But if I say that and if it happens, because attention is enlightened: “Oh it might be a coincidence!” So you have to raise the Kundalini with your hand, so the person who raises can also see [that] as far as the hand moves the Kundalini moves. You can feel it within your spine. You can see in the spine of another fellow. Then you raise it, “Oh God, it's coming up, coming up!” You see with your hand movement, and the others can also see this, and this is the action which one has to understand. When I say you have to give yourself a protection, a bondage, you have to give yourself a bandhan through your aura, you have to take your hand round and put it down like that and bring it back. When somebody does that, immediately people say, “Oh, they are mad people, they are doing hands like this!" I would compare it to Indian classical music: when an Indian classical musician sings. Why not? Our jazz music or this shaky music then they take the thing in their hands and are [making strange gestures] (Laughter). I mean, you feel they are going to break or you are going to break, the way they are all are all, “Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!” they go on. So in the beginning it was a shock to see what's happening: “Is he alright? Has he gone mad or what is he doing about it?” We could not accept it. It is, really, for old people like me, it was a shock to see the way people were holding on to it (the microphone) and, “Ho, ho, ho!” And the other people were shaking their legs like this and shaking like that, so they were going like that, this one was raising the head. (Laughter) This was the first show I saw, I think about ’65, when I came here. And just to entertain us, I don't know what got into their head! Many ladies had also come. And they invited us to this place called as ‘Talk of the Town’, I believe. And there these ladies came and they were turning their legs on top of the heads you see. All the time and we were looking everywhere, “What are they up to?” They said, “This is dancing.” “Oh this is dancing!” We couldn't believe that dancing legs is take like that is a dance. According to Indian standards is not. In Indian standard the dance cannot be with her long leg like that, raising up straight like that. This is exercise: according to Indian standard it is exercise. I mean, for us the old people, I am saying. But the young people may accept this kind of a [thing]. And the whole thing filled us with such nauseas. And we didn’t know what was happening to us. I was so stunned. I mean, somebody should have taken our photograph - the way we were ignorant about it. In the same way the people might find it little abnormal the way we have to do the Kundalini awakening, though it’s not so bad, you see, I must tell you. (Laughter) It's quite gracious. It acts very graciously. But one should not have fixed ideas also. You must keep yourself open to see that this is the work of the Divine and one has to raise that. Now somebody might see Christ standing with a finger like that. It has a great meaning, what it means, in Sahaj Yoga you can understand. In Sahaj Yoga you can understand what does this mean, is His Father. You know. Those who know what are these fingers for, you will know what it means. He always pointed to these two fingers. That is His Father, which he described. Everything that…now Buddha sitting with another kind of a mudra, somebody is doing like this, somebody that: you don't understand why, why they did it. But we have accepted that point. And we have accepted that, so we don't mind. But when this is a new thing that is happening to us people do not want to accept. This was a very, very secret knowledge once upon a time. Just like you had only one king who had seven wives, but nowadays everyone can have twenty-one if they want to, in the same way in your inner being you are all now capable of becoming kings. You are all capable of becoming great people. Outside you have lost inside you have gained. Outside you have lost much by thinking that all these wrong things that these so called powerful people did was something to be achieved. That’s how you have lost, but your Spirit has gained. It has gained a lot because you realise now: you have reached that stage where you realise that it was a mistake. It was a mistake that we thought this kind of power is going to make us happy, this kind of thing is going to give us joy. Now you are realising, all of a us are realising that, that was not the thing we asked for. It's a miserable state that we have landed ourselves in… (tape sound drops out here) …and the inner joy has to be experienced. And you are just ready for that. So this action power within us has to be kept very clean. Now for Sahaj Yogis as I say, there is no ritual that way. Ritualistic things always make you absolutely dead. There should not be any. Like early in the morning you start with a mantra go on repeating mantra like a mechanical thing. It's absolutely paying no respect to the Deity. But in a proper way whichever Deity you want to awaken: think of the Deity, try to cleanse it, with all understanding and deliberations, with respect, with a protocol. And not just to take somebody's name, just go chanting any mantra you feel like. It's not a mechanical thing. Some people just start doing it mechanically because they have done things before also mechanically. Sahaj Yoga is a thing that has to come from heart. It is heartfelt. If you do not do it from your heart it has no meaning. You may carry on like that but you’ll find after sometime you have lost your vibrations, you have lost the cool breeze. Because heart doesn’t like mechanical things. Every day it does new things - like the living things, they are everyday a new flower, a new style, a new method. It never sticks on to habits. It never sticks on to the same routine of things. This way you come sometime, the other way you come sometime. It’s bubbling everyday with new appearances. And so the mechanical things that you do deaden this power of Saraswati. One has to do it with complete love towards yourself and towards others; with complete esteem of your being and the esteem of others. The whole behaviour should be such. While I find some people are still taking to very childish behaviour. And some are taking to very broodish behaviour. Sahaj Yoga should be in the centre. There's a difference between childish and childlike. You can be innocent like a child but you are matured, you understand things. And the both things [combined] make a special dignified personality of such a person. All these things come to you from this Right Side power when you use it properly. Unless and until you have this properly established you cannot impress other people by your behaviour. Other people, new people, who come to you should see this majesty, this royalty within you, which you are enjoying as a bliss from God Almighty. May God Bless you all! I would like to have some questions from the new people it's a good idea. Hello! Hello! They recognise me. Let them enjoy, let them have their freedom they know what to do. Whatever they do they have a meaning. Can I have some questions? Seeker: Can you be sick and then be born-again after a great illness or something like that? After a great illness, something that you thought you were not going to be here any longer? Shri Mataji: You mean to say, after a great illness can you be born again? Yes, yes of course yes. Actually when you are born again you are cleansed completely and you get cured. We have cured cancer. Cancer is very easy to be cured by Sahaj Yog. So many diseases are cured just as soon as the Kundalini comes up. It has a cleansing power: it cleanses, your physical, your mental, your emotional being. It does cleanse you, no doubt about it. It does. But it just does it because that's its job, swabhava (स्वभाव), is the nature. That’s the nature of Kundalini that she cleanses you. Same Seeker: Yeah, when I came here the last time and they did say I had something with my chest. Well, afterwards I went to the university hospital and all of the other places and they said there was nothing wrong with my chest. And when I came here I couldn’t even breathe and you said there was something wrong with my chest but the doctor never said that. Shri Mataji: Yes. Now you see, this is the thing: doctors only know the physical side of human being they do not know the mental side. And you'll be surprised that I found out [that] even a disease like cancer starts from mental side, it’s from the left side it starts. Now the doctors have accepted that there are some proteins within us, which are placed in the areas, which are unknown to us, since our creation and they attack us. So the problem you have had, doctors will say there's nothing wrong with you, till it manifests its physical side. So if there is any problem in your chest we will know first and doctors will know much later. Maybe it would be so difficult that they may not be able to do anything about it. Now the other day we had a boy who suffers from asthma, who could not be cured by anything. But it could be cured by Sahaj Yog, because it not only caters to the physical side but to the mental side - you don’t have to go to psychologist and to a doctor; only your Kundalini does everything - and your spiritual problem. Like we had a telephone call from Australia saying that there’s one gentleman who has come from Transcendental Meditation and he is behaving like an animal: he’s growling and he’s making all kinds of noises and this and that, and he has been to doctors to show this. And the doctor said, “We cannot cure the people who go to TM!” Better ask TM people. He asked TM people, they said, “You are stressing and you are taking out the stress,” and this and that. And he said, "This is an eternal process. For the last twelve years I have been nothing but stressing out, and what am I stressing out? Nothing comes out, it is increasing!” But on the phone I told him something which relieved him of his problem. So these things cannot be understood by doctors. Even the doctors have to come for this. The psychologists do not know about the physical side and the physical doctors do not know about the psychology. When I said it to you [that] there must be some problem and now if it is clear we’ll see about it. And you yourself will know that. You yourself felt that way. Same Seeker: Yeah, but I knew it was there… Shri Mataji: Yes it was there. But doctors won't be able to. So it’s such a subtle thing. It finds out everything. Even before the trouble starts, which is manifesting outside, you know it inside - even the slightest of it, even the slightest of it. Yes, what is it? Lady seeker: Shri Mataji: You feel terrible things? Here is our attention in the stomach, you know. Here is the attention within us. And is the Principle of the Guru, is the principle of the Master, the Primordial Master. He’s within us here. He’s to be awakened. Now the guidance we take from others you see sometimes could be upsetting that; or the way we listen to some people. You see, some people talk we just don't like it. Sometimes with me it is that even if I see somebody I feel something is like that, you see. That sensitivity is a very good sign. And it can be corrected in Sahaj Yoga that you can register it, but you do not feel that sense. You just register, of course, that sensitivity is not lost, but it’s impact is not lost, but it’s impact is not so much: you just feel it and you just say, “He is catching on the void,” you see – that’s how. Then you see that it is happening to another person, not to yourself. That’s what happens to you after Realisation. You get rid of all that. It’s a very good sign to have all that. Lady Seeker: It is? Shri Mataji: It is of course it is. Yes, that’s a very good sign that you are very sensitive about it. That means you are a seeker of ages. Seeker: I had a type of operation on my kidney. I didn’t know I had a damaged kidney at the time, but I went to somebody and they told me that I’d got a stone on my kidney. So at the time I was more dead than alive and I didn’t care about anything. But he decided to operate on me. This doctor was very good man and he told me. And I didn’t know I had anything wrong with my kidneys. But I had to see him for something else and he said I must see him before I go away I must see him and get this thing done. That was in 1952. Shri Mataji: That’s what it is, that's what, without seeing what it is how can you say? And you must see it. You must see for yourself. This is what is Sahaj Yog: in which you have to see it. And the knowledge that comes through you is so clear cut, but first you don’t believe it. You just can't believe it! It's so fantastic you just don't believe it. But like this lady says, now if she goes and tells somebody about this they'll say, “Oh this woman!” Either they'll say she’s mad, or they'll say she needs psychological treatment or they’ll say, “Forget it!” Nobody is going to believe because they don't have this problem. You see that's it. Unless and until you see it you are not going to see it, that's very true. What you say is true: unless and until you see it how are you going to believe. Any other question? Same seeker: (Gives a very long speech) At the same time when that happened, I didn’t go for my kidney….and it’s much better now. And I didn’t know it at the time that there was anything like this. It was 1952. I saw him once and I’ve never been back to him. Shri Mataji: So then how are you feeling now? No it was something else you see which you will know, gradually what it was, it has to be cleared out. It's not a germ. It’s from the Left Side you are getting it from the back here. It’s the yellow centre you see here, has two sides right and left it moves on both the sides. And on left side is the centre which we call as Left Swadishthan, we call it Left Swadishthana is the centre, and which is for black magic. You see, when people do any black magic on you, you get a problem. And naturally when it starts manifesting it affects the kidney because it’s very close to the kidney. So first it starts as a black magic thing. And then, when we raise the Kundalini it was pushed up to here and it could not get out from there. So the thing is that it moves also, you can feel the movement of it. After some time, if it is not gone you feel it's here, it's here, it's here. The thing starts moving and doctors may say, “You better take B complex to get rid of it.” And you cannot. It's a Spirit. It’s a Spirit that moves and once it starts moving we know how to take it out and how to work it out. So there are ways and methods by which we really take it out. There is a force, a satanic force, that does all these things. It’s a fact. He has felt you. He has that sensitivity. You must be that sensitive to act. See on the stomach. Because your stomach is weak. They know how to work, where to work, where to go. I’m so interested in that. Lady seeker: If the centres get blocked then is there one particular centre that gets blocked then how do you clear it? Shri Mataji: If they're blocked we have ways and methods how to raise them. Lady seeker: If the centre heart got completely blocked up what would happen? Shri Mataji: I think the first, second, third, fourth one you mean to say? That is the centre of security. And if it is blocked you problems like breast problems and things like that and also breathing sometimes you get. Is a sense of security and there is a Deity there. Is the Deity which is the Mother of the Universe, and you have to awaken Her. If She’s awakened then you don’t have those problems. It’s very simple. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Seeker: Yes, I’m feeling as though the electricity is flowing through me and I’m feeling it. (Laughter) Shri Mataji: (Laughing) .Just put your hand towards me. Yes it's something like that! Seeker: Yes, and now I’m thinking that something’s blocked in me. Shri Mataji: (Laughing). Now all of you just put your hands towards me like this. Close your eyes. Put your both the legs straight on the ground, straight on the ground. Just like that. But as I told you even if you get Realisation doesn't mean that you have achieved it. You have to establish it, which is very important, because the whole thing is a transformation and to establish it, it takes time. So just coming today, getting Realisation and finishing off, is of no help. It’s wastage of time for me and you also. And again you'll come back with a greater problem because once you are realised you must establish it. You must establish: is an essential part of the whole thing. Will you please place your hands towards me. Lady seeker: (unclear) Some people get it really permanently I think, some people do get it permanently but some people leave it for a while. You see, it is for us to maintain it, to establish it. Once it is awakened it is awakened. I have seen people who get lost for about four, five months - again they come back. But then they are not so much progressed as the people who have continued to progress, you see. You must know that you are the seekers and without seeking you are not going to be happy. So why go half-baked about it? It's not a shopping. It’s something that is real, that’s important, that’s vital. So you must know something that is vital. Lady seeker: Should you meditate for (unclear)? Shri Mataji: No, no. There's no time. Now, no space, no time, nothing! It is all the time you are in meditation. All the time. Whatever you are doing, you are in meditation. So please put your hands towards me like this. Put your hands out. Close your eyes please. She too has a little breathing problem that needs to be corrected. Close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Put your hands straight towards me. Straight, like this. Because if there is any shaking in the hands you can see. Little bit away from your [legs], like this. Not on the knees, because in the beginning you must see where is the heaviness. Now what I feel is more on the heart. Now put your right hand on the heart, right hand on the heart. Now you have to ask for forgiveness. Saying that, “If we done anything wrong please forgive us.” You have to ask for forgiveness. Now when I say that ,immediately you start catching the centre which shows that you are guilty. You are not to be guilty. Once you say that it’s finished: that's why you say it, just to clear it out. Just put your hand on your heart and your left hand towards me. You say it without any guilt being built within you. Just say it. Because you could have committed mistakes. After all to err is human and to forgive Divine. Do not build up any guilt at all. What is this guilt for? Let someone take the baby and take him around. Do not build your guilt. That is one thing happens very often. You catch on the heart, you ask for forgiveness and you start thinking, “I've done this, I have done…” Forget about it! Forget it! Forget it! So it goes to the third point. This is a very common circuit in the developed countries. The third circuit is where you have to forgive yourself and forgive others. Agnya chakra you catch. So you forgive. First of all you forgive yourself. You have to respect yourself because you are the temple of God. Forgive yourself! Can you forgive yourself? Close your eyes and forgive yourself. Respect yourself. You have to respect yourself because you are asking for something because you deserve it. Whatever you have done is finished now so just forgive yourself. Now you put your right hand towards me, and left hand on the stomach and forgive others. Just on the stomach, more on the liver. And forgive others! Forgive others! Forgive everyone! Even if they have harmed you, just forgive them. Because by remembering that you are miserable for nothing at all. Now put both the hands towards me and watch me without thinking. Let’s see if you can do it without thinking. Just watch me without thinking. Watch my face, without thinking. Now there are many ways you can still feel and you can stabilise with it. But as in your awareness you have everything, but in the beginning you try to raise the Kundalini and establish it. Then only certain things are supposed to be explained to us: how to do it, which is more. Because the truth is helpless, you cannot bear it, change it. They could not bear the truth that Christ was the incarnation, that He was the Son of God, and they killed him. It’s very difficult. Human beings have such a tremendous ego that they cannot bear anything. So everything is not told to you at the beginning. But gradually you will build up that sense. And once you are ready to receive the truth, in its full capacities, you will know. But not at the beginning (inaudible) of the Diety the Spirit that you are. But even with this you can show people and give it to them. But first of all you must cure yourself, you must respect yourself, and cure, that is very important. If you have been to other gurus and you have been harmed by that, then there are certain things that you have to do. If you have left sided problems or anything, there are certain things that need to be done. For that you have to come to the centre, enquire and find out all about it: what has to be done. Because now you are realised you can cure yourself, you don’t need anybody else to do it. Only thing you have to know how to do it. Once you cure yourself you can get to another people. For curing this trouble or any of your troubles there are particular things that have to be done. And they will tell you how to do it, how to awaken the Diety of the Primordial Master within us, by which He looks after the void. And all the other problems can be solved as soon as you know how to solve them. All that knowledge is absolutely free, with love, with great joy. You can't pay for it, you never pay for it. I hope every Monday you'll be the first ones to come here. There may be some negative forces which will come and stop you, but don’t listen to them. Secondly, ego-business is quite a lot. Just try to establish yourself . Go deep into yourself. And establish all your powers. These are your own absolutely your own, which you get. May God bless you! You can see the feeling on top of your heads. You can feel it very clearly. Feel the cool breeze. So that you will know that there is Realisation. Then you start seeing things, how it works out. It just works out. Just works out. So can I go?

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Public Program. Hampstead Meeting Hall, London (UK), 14 May 1981. Seekers who have achieved something, those who have achieved a [lot or a develop] and there are some who are still seeking. So, when I talk to people who are still seeking it should be [?] to people who have really found out [?], because they have to talk to such people and we should have them to talk to people who are not [?]. Firstly one has to know that there are many people of [?]. [I Mean ?] in the market [as well] and they have many solutions to give and many things to [say or pay?] also. While in Sahaja Yoga one has to understand logically what should we expect, the logical [side?], logic is different from [rationality or ration?], one has to understand. Rationality is a thing that is an edge of your ego. Whatever ego says, you go ahead with it [it's an ex-fashion?], what's wrong? You go ahead, what's wrong? It has no [time now?], it has no history, it has no experiment, experimental evidence, nothing, it is just what's wrong because it is like a [bounder?], you can call it, it's a [bounder?] who just wants to jump into everything. That is rationality which helps you to rationalize everything. But a logic is a very different thing, it's a very deep and a wide thing, it comes from the experiences, from the knowledge of others. You are half baked, half baked, "[and] I got a headache Mother", this happened, that happened [for Mother, it has to work?], in any case, because you have seen My face, you are obliging by coming down here [...? faith]. But what is it? Is it fair? Is it fair? Is it just? You must have some justice done to Me also and I would request you that some justice should be done toward yourself. That's the main point, what justice have you done to yourself. If you waste your life in frivolous things you are going to suffer no doubt. If you get out of the grace of God, you are going to suffer. If you get His grace, then you are going to [enjoy]. It's a very simple thing. And in this [be aware?] it's such a lot of joy, so much. I know, people don't understand, but if you can really understand a person who enjoys loving others. Anything [which is or with this?] love, that's the only thing somebody enjoys. That's the first and the last, the most [specific?] and the joyful happening for [yourself?]. If you can imagine of such a thing, then think that there could be someone who just wants nothing. May God bless you. Let's have some questions. See the awareness is that to be free, it's freedom. Next time I must talk on freedom but today I want to [see about?] awareness. Let us see. If there are any questions please ask. Don't be afraid, all right? No questions? Any question, anyone? Seeker: Yes, why do you have to have this Kundalini? Shri Mataji: Why do you have to? Seeker: Why does the Kundalini have to rise to become aware? Shri Mataji: What, why did we have to? Seeker: Why do we have this, eh... Shri Mataji: Evolve? Seeker: Yes, why do you have this experience? Shri Mataji: Why should we evolve, isn't it? We are already human beings. Seeker: Yes, I mean I could see why. But why this particular experience of awareness? Shri Mataji: Why should we seek? Yogi: No, she is asking why the Kundalini must rise? Why must the Kundalini rise, she is asking. Shri Mataji: I mean why should we have self realization? Yogi: Yes, in a way. Seeker: Why that particular type of awareness? Yogi: Why that particular type of awareness? Shri Mataji: Oh, why should we have [...?] that's the point, isn't it?. Now first of all, why should we become human beings? [...?] amoeba is better off. Why did we become human beings? What was the need to become human beings? You have these rates to be paid, and [the or this?] insurance to be paid and all [that?]. You are better off as amoeba, [?] no problems, all right? Logical, all right, first question is why should we be human beings? First question you should ask. All these horrible appendages we have like a nose and [narrines?] why to carry on this load. And also tension on our heads. Why should we be human beings, where we have freedom to choose whether right or wrong and bump our heads everywhere. Why should we be human beings? Question to be asked, why? This is the question, if you ask you will know why you are human beings, and then you will know that to get the answer you have to get Realization.Because we have no meaning to our life, we don't understand. Either God must be a crazy person to make us into human beings. Monkeys are better off than us, I can tell you. In a way they are better off, they don't have problems, they don't have to see newspapers, there are no problems of any kind, I tell you. I mean, I don't know if you have seen monkeys. If a child dies of a monkey, child, [his] own child; as soon as it dies, [it's not bothered?]. It knows it's dead and finished, it knows that. They know how to live in the atmosphere, they live, they have got everything. The birds know how to do it. They know how to cross the Atlantic, and [everything?]; [think about our fate Or to work with fate?]. They have everything, we don't have. We have to make [airplanes?] even if we have to go from here to Scotland. The problem for us, you see they have these nice wings, they have no problems, nothing. A tiger can eat a cow but for an Indian it's difficult to even think like that. What a problem it is? Dos and don'ts and this and that, laws and regulations, and you have to carry a passport with you [like to remember?]. I mean anybody would say why this human race? The way we have faith, amazing. Animals are not so much insecure as we are. So why God has made this beautiful thing called as human race? Why has He made? We can think about it, we can ask this question but animals never ask, "Why am I a tiger with such a heavy tail behind me to carry?" It does not. So we have the sight or vision of something by which we start asking, "Why am I here?" They don't think like that, I mean the animal part, only the human beings do. And the answer is: you are here to become one with the whole. The whole is the primordial being, you are [saints?] and you have to become one with that. Unless and until you become that, all the problems that are created by this half backed awareness of human beings can not be solved. None of them can be solved. Anyone of these problems, say political, economic, anything economical, anything, physical, racial, emotional, nothing can be solved because you are not connected with the whole, you can not solve the problem. It's very simple.Supposing this finger has a problem, it can not be solved unless and until it is fully connected with the whole. In the same way, unless and until you are fully connected [also?], you are connected in a way because you are living, but you are not aware of it. You do not know how you are connected. So you have to become one. The instrument, if you make an ordinary instrument, it does not think that I am not yet connected with the mains, it does not think, whether it is connected or not makes no difference. But human beings think, "Oh God, what am I doing here? I have to be connected with something, is it?" Then you see these things and find out, "Yes, I have no meaning unless and until I am connected." But some people have this seeking from very very long time. They have reached there rationally, then it became their character, they develop [?] on that and that's why [it never happened?]. They have got everything, people have got cars this that, and [UNCLEAR PHRASE... you can't understand, I Mean?], you think you should become [modern, I can't remember?]. But tomorrow you find [?] it's over, what's the matter [with you Or with me?]. She was supposed to be such a happy woman. What happened? She didn't get the essence of joy in her life. That's how you jump here and there, looking at places where you can find, you can not be [satisfied?]. If you say so, then you have not felt [anything?]. No human beings have, of course the awareness [?]. Some people have a real intense seeking, intense seeking. I mean, they want to seek even if a devil comes before them, [they say, are you going to?] give me my name, all right, [I'll give you my name?]. Anything, they don't mind anything, they are such intense. Some people have less some people have [more?], like I would say people who are developing now, they come to Me, "Mother, my son has no job", "My [head or hair?] is not all right", [this and that, that, that]. Those people are over developed, they suffer from over developed [?]. So they say we can't see, I am artificial, my eyebrows are artificial, [?] is artificial. So we have from primitive to over, overly, overly [dull?] people, half [dull?] people, we have many sorts of things, isn't it? In the same way. Now this [?] exists in everyone one of us, but only thing is that some of them are manifesting it very strongly, some are not. For example somebody takes to drinking now for example. I am not against drinking as such, just now, for the time being, you see. I don't want to say that, because if I say that some people may not like it. But if you [have drinks?] then your awareness is dull. Then [one minute?], if I have a little whisky in the evening, what's wrong? Finished. But your awareness if it is alert, and if you see around you'll find a solution and then you'll know something is missing in human beings. That's why we have problem, that's why we are confused, and if you are sensitive and concerned about others, you would like to know how to [cure it?]. That's how you seek for yourself and for others, all right? Any other question? Seeker: I was meditating the other week before last and I had big problem because I was very happy and I was very [?], do you understand? But what I would like to know is can I or anyone else [?] in their own mind to do this, to raise the Kundalini? [?] while looking at you, do you understand? Shri Mataji: Have you got your Realization? Seeker: Well, I'll tell you what happened, actually it was really a problem for me. As I was meditating [here?], and I am realized into this, Shri Mataji: Meditating how? Seeker: Well, I was [hanging of having?] my hands like this. Shri Mataji: Towards the photograph? Seeker: Yes, towards the photograph and then suddenly an [UNCLEAR PHRASE... came a completely uncomfortable, completely uncomfortable?] it was really wonderful actually I felt very happy, and then suddenly I have a big problem. The face distorted, the neck turned into a [coats grow?], a big boil grew from the nose. And I had, I started to loose control, do you understand? I really started to [swept?], you see and I had to fight really hard to get rid of this distortion, to get rid of this bad distortion of the face and everything, for sometime to get better. Now did I bring this on myself? Or I am not completely concentrating on You? Shri Mataji: Did you concentrate on your Agnya Chakra before? Did you concentrate here before? Seeker: Yes, I always do concentrate there. Shri Mataji: That's it. That's it. That's the point, you see, this is the bridge or this is the door as you call it. Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: And if you are really concentrating, and it's a weak thing, of course Kundalini must be, [I have seen that? Or you are a seeker?] actually and I am very happy to know this, I mean this is a great gift, this I had said that once a number of people get Realization, on the photograph they'll get Realization, it's a very great news actually. Now if your Agnya is all right, this point, you see, this is the point, [Shri Mataji repeats twice this is the point], this is weak; so what happened when it rushed out, you see, you felt all that, but when you came down your attention suddenly was pushed into right and left. If this [was correct?]. See for example this is the door, all right, this is the door, and [I mean] it's weak door here. When the Kundalini comes up this is a good thing, it sustains it, and it's all right. But if this is weak, what happens? That the Kundalini comes up and She takes the attention upward but then suddenly this breaks, when this brakes, Kundalini goes down, and then the attention spreads on sides. And there you see all sort of things, you see heads and noses and things like that. It's absolutely LSD, we call it supraconscious, supraconscious thing. You see, people see so very often when I am lecturing also, you see, they see [some or so?]. I am surprised that they don't run away. They see light coming out of Me and one gentleman when he came to see me, never saw Me, he never saw Me, he just saw the light, he just saw the light, [you see?]. And he did not know to whom to talk, he was [seeing or feeling?] the light was speaking, or what was happening. But he had taken lot of LSD, always. I hope he didn't come to Me [?] but he was absolutely happy. And then, another lady who came to see Me, her eyes were down like that. And when she tried to raise her eyes, you see, she saw nothing but burning of light, like flames of lights. And she couldn't see that, she couldn't see that's false. And she was so frightened, and she said "Now what is this?" But, all this is because of your supraconscious problems or your subconscious problem, where you move on your Agnya. It's very important to have this point all right, I don't know who had told that you should concentrate here? I don't know. It was a big mistake those who have done it. I'm told that somebody has written even in Gita. How could Krishna say that? I don't know, they have, I tell you, spoiled everything, that's [how or what?] I can say, I mean, how can you concentrate here when the door is here. How can you concentrate here? It is said in all the books, much before Krishna also it is said that it is Brahmarandra which is to be opened. Krishna himself has said that Brahmarandra is to be opened. Then where are you concentrating? Because concentration is done with your attention, isn't it? And you are putting your attention here, the Kundalini is not going to come out from here. Can you imagine a [hole?] coming out like that? It's not that way, it has to come out here. And so, this door which we say, "I am the door", you see, He is the door and the door is weak. But we can put it right. No problem, there's nothing to worry. But I am happy you enjoyed [the evening?] and remember [what you are going to get?]. But you are giving Me the greatest news and a great great encouragement. Because of the photograph people start getting Realization. I don't have to go to all these places.Oh God, I've been traveling for five, five months continuously absolutely continuously, by plane, by trains, by buses, by bullock carts. Any, any conveyance you'll say, I have used that. You see, every [deity or Deity?] had one conveyance. I have used all, even [elephants?]. So it would be a great idea if you could get this Self Realization. That's the best and that [what or when it] happens, I am sure the day is very nice that the gates of Heavens are going to open. No doubt, no doubt. May God bless you. But that definitely means that you should consult other Sahaja yogis about it and get it all right. This is absolutely supraconscious. You see those people who are coming here, they look so simple. They are scholars in Sahaja Yoga now. You see within 6 months you can become a scholar in Sahaja Yoga. So it's very simple. You just ask them and you'll become a scholar yourself. You will be a scholar of Sahaja Yoga very soon. And in Australia people ask Me, "Are your disciples all scholars, [She repeated twice : scholars]?" I never knew, who are these scholars? They said, "The way they talk, and the amount of things they know, we think they are all scholars." I said they must be scholars in God's [grace?]. So what do I do now, would you like to have your Realization? [?]Put your hands towards Me. I [...?]. [Close your eyes?] And do not concentrate things, allow your attention to be free absolutely. [That's good?]. If your attention is going here and there you can put your attention on the top of your head, means on the fontanel bone area.[Silence about 8 minutes] Did you feel any cool breeze in the hand? Did you feel? No? You should feel cool breeze. That's important. You have any [cold, cough?] or something? You get it very often? If [your Vishuddhi Chakra?] is not all right, then you get problems with these vibrations, you don't feel the cool breeze. But you just sit here, may be [?].

Public Program. Hampstead Meeting Hall, London (UK), 14 May 1981. Seekers who have achieved something, those who have achieved a [lot or a develop] and there are some who are still seeking. So, when I talk to people who are still seeking it should be [?] to people who have really found out [?], because they have to talk to such people and we should have them to talk to people who are not [?]. Firstly one has to know that there are many people of [?]. [I Mean ?] in the market [as well] and they have many solutions to give and many things to [say or pay?] also. While in Sahaja Yoga one has to understand logically what should we expect, the logical [side?], logic is different from [rationality or ration?], one has to understand. Rationality is a thing that is an edge of your ego. Whatever ego says, you go ahead with it [it's an ex-fashion?], what's wrong? You go ahead, what's wrong? It has no [time now?], it has no history, it has no experiment, experimental evidence, nothing, it is just what's wrong because it is like a [bounder?], you can call it, it's a [bounder?] who just wants to jump into everything. That is rationality which helps you to rationalize everything. But a logic is a very different thing, it's a very deep and a wide thing, it comes from the experiences, from the knowledge of others. You are half baked, half baked, "[and] I got a headache Mother", this happened, that happened [for Mother, it has to work?], in any case, because you have seen My face, you are obliging by coming down here [...? faith]. But what is it? Is it fair? Is it fair? Is it just? You must have some justice done to Me also and I would request you that some justice should be done toward yourself. That's the main point, what justice have you done to yourself. If you waste your life in frivolous things you are going to suffer no doubt. If you get out of the grace of God, you are going to suffer. If you get His grace, then you are going to [enjoy]. It's a very simple thing. And in this [be aware?] it's such a lot of joy, so much. I know, people don't understand, but if you can really understand a person who enjoys loving others. Anything [which is or with this?] love, that's the only thing somebody enjoys. That's the first and the last, the most [specific?] and the joyful happening for [yourself?]. If you can imagine of such a thing, then think that there could be someone who just wants nothing. May God bless you. Let's have some questions. See the awareness is that to be free, it's freedom. Next time I must talk on freedom but today I want to [see about?] awareness. Let us see. If there are any questions please ask. Don't be afraid, all right? No questions? Any question, anyone? Seeker: Yes, why do you have to have this Kundalini? Shri Mataji: Why do you have to? Seeker: Why does the Kundalini have to rise to become aware? Shri Mataji: What, why did we have to? Seeker: Why do we have this, eh... Shri Mataji: Evolve? Seeker: Yes, why do you have this experience? Shri Mataji: Why should we evolve, isn't it? We are already human beings. Seeker: Yes, I mean I could see why. But why this particular experience of awareness? Shri Mataji: Why should we seek? Yogi: No, she is asking why the Kundalini must rise? Why must the Kundalini rise, she is asking. Shri Mataji: I mean why should we have self realization? Yogi: Yes, in a way. Seeker: Why that particular type of awareness? Yogi: Why that particular type of awareness? Shri Mataji: Oh, why should we have [...?] that's the point, isn't it?. Now first of all, why should we become human beings? [...?] amoeba is better off. Why did we become human beings? What was the need to become human beings? You have these rates to be paid, and [the or this?] insurance to be paid and all [that?]. You are better off as amoeba, [?] no problems, all right? Logical, all right, first question is why should we be human beings? First question you should ask. All these horrible appendages we have like a nose and [narrines?] why to carry on this load. And also tension on our heads. Why should we be human beings, where we have freedom to choose whether right or wrong and bump our heads everywhere. Why should we be human beings? Question to be asked, why? This is the question, if you ask you will know why you are human beings, and then you will know that to get the answer you have to get Realization.Because we have no meaning to our life, we don't understand. Either God must be a crazy person to make us into human beings. Monkeys are better off than us, I can tell you. In a way they are better off, they don't have problems, they don't have to see newspapers, there are no problems of any kind, I tell you. I mean, I don't know if you have seen monkeys. If a child dies of a monkey, child, [his] own child; as soon as it dies, [it's not bothered?]. It knows it's dead and finished, it knows that. They know how to live in the atmosphere, they live, they have got everything. The birds know how to do it. They know how to cross the Atlantic, and [everything?]; [think about our fate Or to work with fate?]. They have everything, we don't have. We have to make [airplanes?] even if we have to go from here to Scotland. The problem for us, you see they have these nice wings, they have no problems, nothing. A tiger can eat a cow but for an Indian it's difficult to even think like that. What a problem it is? Dos and don'ts and this and that, laws and regulations, and you have to carry a passport with you [like to remember?]. I mean anybody would say why this human race? The way we have faith, amazing. Animals are not so much insecure as we are. So why God has made this beautiful thing called as human race? Why has He made? We can think about it, we can ask this question but animals never ask, "Why am I a tiger with such a heavy tail behind me to carry?" It does not. So we have the sight or vision of something by which we start asking, "Why am I here?" They don't think like that, I mean the animal part, only the human beings do. And the answer is: you are here to become one with the whole. The whole is the primordial being, you are [saints?] and you have to become one with that. Unless and until you become that, all the problems that are created by this half backed awareness of human beings can not be solved. None of them can be solved. Anyone of these problems, say political, economic, anything economical, anything, physical, racial, emotional, nothing can be solved because you are not connected with the whole, you can not solve the problem. It's very simple.Supposing this finger has a problem, it can not be solved unless and until it is fully connected with the whole. In the same way, unless and until you are fully connected [also?], you are connected in a way because you are living, but you are not aware of it. You do not know how you are connected. So you have to become one. The instrument, if you make an ordinary instrument, it does not think that I am not yet connected with the mains, it does not think, whether it is connected or not makes no difference. But human beings think, "Oh God, what am I doing here? I have to be connected with something, is it?" Then you see these things and find out, "Yes, I have no meaning unless and until I am connected." But some people have this seeking from very very long time. They have reached there rationally, then it became their character, they develop [?] on that and that's why [it never happened?]. They have got everything, people have got cars this that, and [UNCLEAR PHRASE... you can't understand, I Mean?], you think you should become [modern, I can't remember?]. But tomorrow you find [?] it's over, what's the matter [with you Or with me?]. She was supposed to be such a happy woman. What happened? She didn't get the essence of joy in her life. That's how you jump here and there, looking at places where you can find, you can not be [satisfied?]. If you say so, then you have not felt [anything?]. No human beings have, of course the awareness [?]. Some people have a real intense seeking, intense seeking. I mean, they want to seek even if a devil comes before them, [they say, are you going to?] give me my name, all right, [I'll give you my name?]. Anything, they don't mind anything, they are such intense. Some people have less some people have [more?], like I would say people who are developing now, they come to Me, "Mother, my son has no job", "My [head or hair?] is not all right", [this and that, that, that]. Those people are over developed, they suffer from over developed [?]. So they say we can't see, I am artificial, my eyebrows are artificial, [?] is artificial. So we have from primitive to over, overly, overly [dull?] people, half [dull?] people, we have many sorts of things, isn't it? In the same way. Now this [?] exists in everyone one of us, but only thing is that some of them are manifesting it very strongly, some are not. For example somebody takes to drinking now for example. I am not against drinking as such, just now, for the time being, you see. I don't want to say that, because if I say that some people may not like it. But if you [have drinks?] then your awareness is dull. Then [one minute?], if I have a little whisky in the evening, what's wrong? Finished. But your awareness if it is alert, and if you see around you'll find a solution and then you'll know something is missing in human beings. That's why we have problem, that's why we are confused, and if you are sensitive and concerned about others, you would like to know how to [cure it?]. That's how you seek for yourself and for others, all right? Any other question? Seeker: I was meditating the other week before last and I had big problem because I was very happy and I was very [?], do you understand? But what I would like to know is can I or anyone else [?] in their own mind to do this, to raise the Kundalini? [?] while looking at you, do you understand? Shri Mataji: Have you got your Realization? Seeker: Well, I'll tell you what happened, actually it was really a problem for me. As I was meditating [here?], and I am realized into this, Shri Mataji: Meditating how? Seeker: Well, I was [hanging of having?] my hands like this. Shri Mataji: Towards the photograph? Seeker: Yes, towards the photograph and then suddenly an [UNCLEAR PHRASE... came a completely uncomfortable, completely uncomfortable?] it was really wonderful actually I felt very happy, and then suddenly I have a big problem. The face distorted, the neck turned into a [coats grow?], a big boil grew from the nose. And I had, I started to loose control, do you understand? I really started to [swept?], you see and I had to fight really hard to get rid of this distortion, to get rid of this bad distortion of the face and everything, for sometime to get better. Now did I bring this on myself? Or I am not completely concentrating on You? Shri Mataji: Did you concentrate on your Agnya Chakra before? Did you concentrate here before? Seeker: Yes, I always do concentrate there. Shri Mataji: That's it. That's it. That's the point, you see, this is the bridge or this is the door as you call it. Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: And if you are really concentrating, and it's a weak thing, of course Kundalini must be, [I have seen that? Or you are a seeker?] actually and I am very happy to know this, I mean this is a great gift, this I had said that once a number of people get Realization, on the photograph they'll get Realization, it's a very great news actually. Now if your Agnya is all right, this point, you see, this is the point, [Shri Mataji repeats twice this is the point], this is weak; so what happened when it rushed out, you see, you felt all that, but when you came down your attention suddenly was pushed into right and left. If this [was correct?]. See for example this is the door, all right, this is the door, and [I mean] it's weak door here. When the Kundalini comes up this is a good thing, it sustains it, and it's all right. But if this is weak, what happens? That the Kundalini comes up and She takes the attention upward but then suddenly this breaks, when this brakes, Kundalini goes down, and then the attention spreads on sides. And there you see all sort of things, you see heads and noses and things like that. It's absolutely LSD, we call it supraconscious, supraconscious thing. You see, people see so very often when I am lecturing also, you see, they see [some or so?]. I am surprised that they don't run away. They see light coming out of Me and one gentleman when he came to see me, never saw Me, he never saw Me, he just saw the light, he just saw the light, [you see?]. And he did not know to whom to talk, he was [seeing or feeling?] the light was speaking, or what was happening. But he had taken lot of LSD, always. I hope he didn't come to Me [?] but he was absolutely happy. And then, another lady who came to see Me, her eyes were down like that. And when she tried to raise her eyes, you see, she saw nothing but burning of light, like flames of lights. And she couldn't see that, she couldn't see that's false. And she was so frightened, and she said "Now what is this?" But, all this is because of your supraconscious problems or your subconscious problem, where you move on your Agnya. It's very important to have this point all right, I don't know who had told that you should concentrate here? I don't know. It was a big mistake those who have done it. I'm told that somebody has written even in Gita. How could Krishna say that? I don't know, they have, I tell you, spoiled everything, that's [how or what?] I can say, I mean, how can you concentrate here when the door is here. How can you concentrate here? It is said in all the books, much before Krishna also it is said that it is Brahmarandra which is to be opened. Krishna himself has said that Brahmarandra is to be opened. Then where are you concentrating? Because concentration is done with your attention, isn't it? And you are putting your attention here, the Kundalini is not going to come out from here. Can you imagine a [hole?] coming out like that? It's not that way, it has to come out here. And so, this door which we say, "I am the door", you see, He is the door and the door is weak. But we can put it right. No problem, there's nothing to worry. But I am happy you enjoyed [the evening?] and remember [what you are going to get?]. But you are giving Me the greatest news and a great great encouragement. Because of the photograph people start getting Realization. I don't have to go to all these places.Oh God, I've been traveling for five, five months continuously absolutely continuously, by plane, by trains, by buses, by bullock carts. Any, any conveyance you'll say, I have used that. You see, every [deity or Deity?] had one conveyance. I have used all, even [elephants?]. So it would be a great idea if you could get this Self Realization. That's the best and that [what or when it] happens, I am sure the day is very nice that the gates of Heavens are going to open. No doubt, no doubt. May God bless you. But that definitely means that you should consult other Sahaja yogis about it and get it all right. This is absolutely supraconscious. You see those people who are coming here, they look so simple. They are scholars in Sahaja Yoga now. You see within 6 months you can become a scholar in Sahaja Yoga. So it's very simple. You just ask them and you'll become a scholar yourself. You will be a scholar of Sahaja Yoga very soon. And in Australia people ask Me, "Are your disciples all scholars, [She repeated twice : scholars]?" I never knew, who are these scholars? They said, "The way they talk, and the amount of things they know, we think they are all scholars." I said they must be scholars in God's [grace?]. So what do I do now, would you like to have your Realization? [?]Put your hands towards Me. I [...?]. [Close your eyes?] And do not concentrate things, allow your attention to be free absolutely. [That's good?]. If your attention is going here and there you can put your attention on the top of your head, means on the fontanel bone area.[Silence about 8 minutes] Did you feel any cool breeze in the hand? Did you feel? No? You should feel cool breeze. That's important. You have any [cold, cough?] or something? You get it very often? If [your Vishuddhi Chakra?] is not all right, then you get problems with these vibrations, you don't feel the cool breeze. But you just sit here, may be [?].

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The Power of Kundalini, Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Chelsham Road Ashram, London (UK), May 17th,1981 Today I told you about Kundalini, and that Kundalini is the Pure Desire within us, that manifests or is awakened to give us our Self-realization. Means the desire is only fulfilled when you get your Self-realization, otherwise it is not manifested – it is just dormant; it is still residual. It has created the whole universe, but until and unless you get Self-realization, unless and until you become one with your Spirit, you have not achieved the manifestation of this power, which will go on making you run and run and run, thinking that you have not yet achieved, or you have not found out your meaning. It will be there, all the time, sleeping, but giving you a feeling of vacuum, you see. So this power must be made to manifest, but when it manifests… [Shri Mataji pauses to comfort an infant: “What’s it? What happened? Well, let it be, let him sit down, come. What happened? Come along. What’s happening? Eh? It’s alright.” (Shri Mataji kisses the child) “All right. All right?” (The baby: “Yes”) “Good. (Laughter) Now one has to keep quiet, all right?” (Shri Mataji kisses the child.)] Then, this power has got certain qualities. The first quality it has got, this is ungrahavati, means it goes against the gravity. It goes against the gravity. You see, a thing rises, it doesn’t go down. So a person who has to be aspiring by nature. If a person is not aspiring type the Kundalini doesn’t rise. Because, like, you see that, when food passes down our stomach it presses the sides of the intestines. By that these movements of going down takes place. Do you see my point? So, when the Kundalini starts, and starts pressing on the sides of the chakras, she creates a feeling of throwing it higher and higher, so the chakras bounce it upward. All the heavy things, all go downward, but the Kundalini rises higher and higher and higher, because it is like fire. Fire never burns downward. It always burns upward. She looks also like fire, and she has the capacity of fire within her. The fire has a capacity to purify, and to burn off whatever can be burnt off. It purifies the things which it cannot burn, and burns off the things which are inflammable, which can be burnt out. [Aside: “Come along, come forward”. Man: “Thank you very much”.] So, the quality of fire that exists in the Kundalini burns off whatever is useless. Like in our house we find all the useless things, and we take them in the garden and burn them off, finished – once for all they are finished. So, when the Kundalini rises, She also burns off all useless things that you have, all your useless desires, your useless ideas of action, all sorts of useless accumulation of feelings and egos, and every sort of a nonsensical thing that is in between. Everything is burnt off fast, because they can be burnt, they are not eternal by nature. They are not eternal by nature. They are temporarily there. All that is temporary, she burns off, and that’s how she enlightens the Spirit, because Spirit cannot be burnt by anything. But this burning is so beautiful that it burns off all that is bad, stagnating, all that is polluting, all that is a disease, and cools down the system. It is very interesting to see how this power of fire becomes the cool breeze. But in the science also, you find that electricity can give you hot breeze or cool breeze. You can transform from one to another, but there is no ultimate for these things, they are always reversible. Supposing something becomes a magnetism, you can always convert into electricity, electricity can always be converted into magnetism. But Kundalini is such a thing that once she burns off everything that is there, that’s how you get heat, because she’s burning. But when she cools down and becomes cool then she is not reversible. That’s why it is a living process. Living process is never reversible. All dead processes can be reversible, but anything that is reversible – now, supposing you are grown up: you cannot become a little baby. Whatever you may try - you may have any number of operations - you cannot become that (laughter). Now you are grown up, now you are modern, over-developed. You may try anything to become a primitive person – you cannot. You just cannot, whatever you may try. That will be all very artificial. You may just feel that you have become primitive by wearing some sort of a dress, by feeling that, ‘Oh, now there’s no modernism in us, and now we have become very, very subdued’, nothing of the kind. It is curable, but not reversible. But, it’s a living process. So, Kundalini within us expedites the living process within us of our evolution. So the power of Kundalini is to purify, she purifies us like fire. She doesn’t purify us like water, it’s surprising, she doesn’t purify us like water. Now, water, what does the water do? Water never burns off anything, but it dissolves certain things. It can take in something within itself, you see? It can contain some of the dirt within itself. Supposing you put a color in the water – it assumes the colour. But Kundalini does not assume the colour. She burns off things. Do you follow My point? So, if you have anything wrong within you, she’ll burn it off, but she’ll not absorb – she’s pure. She cannot absorb those things into her that will pollute her. She cannot be polluted. This quality of fire - say for example, if you put gold in fire, silver in fire, you can purify these things. Their pure form comes in: that’s how you know. But if you put gold and silver in water, nothing will happen. At the most you can wash them from outside. But in and out you cannot do it. So, outwardly you can do with other things, but with Kundalini you do in and out. The face also looks beautiful, as if some blazing has taken place on the face, a new, bright face. It’s not sallow, neither it is horribly burning, nor is it pale and ugly-looking, but it becomes radiant. Radiance, that’s what Kundalini gives you. It looks also, as if a molten iron, you see - have you seen molten iron? – Pillar of – supposing you take a pillar of iron and, and heat it, to a point where it starts showing, you see, copper, every color in it, copperish and all sorts of color you see, see it’s golden, copperish and all that, you see, like a furnace. But very silently, very silent, it works out. Now, the sound of Kundalini I have told you in one of my lectures, how it creates sound. For example at Vishuddhi, it creates the sound of all the vowels that are in Sanskrit language. The English vowels are very few. Sanskrit language are a aa – i ii – u uu – ru ruu – lru lruu – e aì – o aù – am ah. These are the sounds at Vishuddhi we can say. But she creates sounds on all the chakras. But when she comes to Nabhi it becomes a "vani". "Vani" means information, coded information, that’s the nearest you get, coded information. First, it is the "paravani", which you don’t hear. When it rises from the Kundalini point – means Mooladhara Chakra and Mooladhara [sacrum], then it is not heard, there’s no sound. When it comes to the stomach, the "paravani" starts. Then it comes into the centre, where, in the heart, always you hear it: madhyama- where you can hear it: ‘Lub dub, lub dub, lub dub’, just like heart. Properly, with a stethoscope you can hear it. Then it comes to Vishuddhi. It becomes a witness, means "pashyanti", the one who sees. You might have noticed yourself, when you are caught up in Vishuddhi, you feel the thing going on here. But here, she sees. Then this sound, which is the sound with which you speak, when it comes to the throat, it becomes "vaikhari", it says [speech]. This is even before the Kundalini is there, the "vani", the coded information, the language, which is first only coded, becomes decoded here, she's called "vaikhari", which talks. But after Realization, the Kundalini enlightens the "vani", as it enlightens everything else. Because of that enlightenment, your mantras become enlightened. And that’s how, when you say a mantra, it is effective, it’s lighted. Before this, any mantra said has no meaning, it’s just ordinary Vani, just like in any ordinary person. So, it is called as the mantra which is "jagrut", awakened. So, a mantra which is jagrut cannot be created out of a mantra which is not enlightened. Like if you have, say, an earthen pot or an earthen thing like this, or this one as it is, and you have all the oil and everything there: still it won’t give light till it is enlightened. In the same way, the mantra is nothing, it’s just a dead cup. Unless and until it is enlightened by Kundalini, it is from ordinary vani, which cannot give you enlightenment, and which cannot give enlightenment to the mantras. And that’s why these mantras have no meaning at all. A person whose Spirit is enlightened, and his vani is enlightened, such a person, whatever he says comes true. Whatever he asks for happens. Even before he says something, the desire, the desire within us which is the "paravani", which is the coded information of the desire you have, becomes enlightened. And that’s how you get the results. Suddenly you get something. You say, "Oh, I have struck the jackpot", and "Mother has done it". That’s how it works out. The whole system works out this way, of Kundalini. So, this pure Kundalini creates purity within us. Without the purity we cannot see anything. Anything that is impure - say, say my hands are not clean, I can’t see the lines. Anything that is dirtied, you cannot see the real picture of it. You cannot see the reality if it is not been purified. But, even if it is superficially purified or artificially painted, still, you can always say that it is artificially painted, and you cannot see the beauty of this one, because this is done from outside. But this Kundalini burns off everything: "bhasmasat", makes everything into ashes. And whatever remains is the pure gold of the Spirit within us. That’s why, when people try to raise the Kundalini by wrong methods, she shows her temper. Actually, she never gets angry. If Kundalini gets angry such a person can never exist, is impossible, but doesn’t happen normally. But it is Shri Ganesha, which is the Deity of Shri Kundalini, gets angry, and He creates this problem of heat. Because she’s fire, and He’s the deity. So the fire of this Kundalini works out in such a manner that your sympathetic nervous gets excited with heat, and one may get even blisters and things, if you try any tricks with Kundalini, any unholy behaviour... (inaudible words) The Urdhva-vati of Kundalini, the rising of the Kundalini, is its nature. But when she goes and touches the Sahasrara, that is an important point. If she does not touch the Sahasrara, then the Grace doesn’t fall in, and the Grace has to come in within us on our both sides of the Ida and Pingala Nadi. That’s how you feel relaxed. Now, how important it is for us to preserve our being, before coming to Realization. To preserve it as it is. But we do not preserve. We make mistakes. Kundalini is not forgiveness, she does not forgive you. She is not the one who can forgive, because her nature is hot, like the fire. She cannot forgive. Only the Spirit can forgive. Only the Atma can forgive, because she is the one who indicates all your problems. She is the one who cleanses you. She has to cleanse you. If she starts forgiving you, your dirt will be left there. As we do, you see, we clean: “Oh, it cannot be cleaned, leave it alone, what to do?”.She is not like that. If it is not clean, she’ll burn. Cancer is the cause of neglect of Kundalini awakening. Unless and until Kundalini is awakened, you cannot cure cancer of any person. So, if somebody, say, has a nice mother-in-law, she might be a relation, and she was a good lady, she also tried to take vibrations and all that, she was quite aged, maybe she might be also a seeker. But it acts best on seekers, because the Kundalini has to be awakened and she will not be awakened unless and until you have aspirations. And if you have no aspirations, if you just try to get it for your curing, you might get cured, by her awakening, but it’s a very forced action. It’s not so natural, there’s no suction about it. We can say like that, supposing in this room we light fire, there is no oxygen, it won’t live. So we have to have that oxygen within us of our aspirations. If that atmosphere doesn’t exist, Kundalini takes time to rise. Unless and until you are realized you cannot keep Kundalini up there. You may just touch it, go down, again you’ll touch it, go down, again you’ll touch it, go down. So, as a result of this, some people start feeling the guilt. ‘Why should I have done this? I should not have done that’, and all that. But after Realization, this guilt is a big problem. Even before Realization, I find, it is. Because guilt is an escape, where all the things are accumulated, which have to be burned off. You see, all things accumulate on the side, very nicely stored - stored away you see, kept there nicely, so they do not face the Kundalini and get burnt. And that’s how the left side of a person goes on recurring all the time, all the time, through these two points of left Nabhi and left Vishuddhi. Allow the Kundalini to burn it off. Just put this to the fire. And when you put this to fire of Kundalini it will burn off completely. Don’t build up any kind of guilt. At least after realization. Before realization, of course, one has to worry a little bit. But, even telling all this, it is convenient to feel guilty. You avoid all problems by feeling guilty, ‘Oh, I should not have done it, I’m sorry’ - English language (laughter). Very simple -‘I’m sorry, I should not have done. I’m sorry. I tell you I’ve done a mistake, all right’. But you do not say like this, that: ‘All right, I’m sorry, forget it.’ That should be added, too. You see, when you say somebody ‘I’m sorry’ to somebody, he’ll say: ‘All right, forget it’. The other person also should say within you, that ‘Forget it’. If you do not do, try that thing, you see, this is very nicely accumulated here all the time, and this feeling guilty is a very convenient method of escaping the truth, you see, showing that you are very frightened, you are very upset, this and that, and just storing up the whole thing up here in the left Vishuddhi. How will you progress? You cannot progress with this idea that you are guilty, you are - even if you are, what are you going to do, what? You want to go to jail? Take two running jumps and go there! (Laughter, She laughs) I would say like that. Why come to Sahaj Yog? Just go to hell, you can go very fast, there’s no need. But, if you are to be saved, accept that you are saved, and do not build up these left Vishuddhi problems. It’s a bit too much now. I think it’s high time that we should burn, burn all these things, these guilts, these wrong ideas which always keeps us down. It’s like putting something in the neck, a heavy stone, and saying. ‘I can’t cure, what to do’. Now, the stone must be removed, how can Mataji pull you out? See, whatever I may try, there’s a big stone and that’s pulling you down. It’s a very big problem, I think now, because Kundalini doesn’t know what to do, and how to reach your left Vishuddhi, to burn out that nonsensical thing which you have stored very sweetly: ‘Ah, I’m frightened, I’m afraid, I’m sorry’. In Sahaja Yoga, certain few English language usages are not allowed – one of these ‘I am afraid’. Even a politician who is so dominating will say ‘I’m afraid’. I mean, what are you afraid of? Everybody is afraid of you (Laughter). What is there to be afraid of? So this usage is not allowed, ‘I’m afraid’. This is not allowed at all, to say ‘I’m afraid’. What are you afraid of? As I said today that ‘Wages of sin is fear’. All right. But wages of sin is fear, so, if the sin is removed, then the fear should go or not? But still, it is like this, there is light, still you behave as if you, you are in the dark, still you: ‘I can’t see, I’m frightened’. Arey Baba, there is light, see for yourself! This is a thing one should know, that your Kundalini is awakened, that your Spirit is shining. Open your heart to this, accept this, recognize it, know that you are a realized soul now, and that Kundalini has purified you. Now, please do not accumulate this dirt here, on the left side, because you like it, because it’s very convenient to put up faces, to say ‘Oh, it’s all right’. (Maybe talking to somebody) Little bit heat coming up, send it up here, goes like that. It will be cleaned out. Leave it alone. Let us face it. Somebody gets a little heat, ‘Oh, I’m again bad, again I’m lost, God knows what have I done?’ (Shri Mataji imitates a frightened voice, laughter of the yogis). Correct? It happens, very commonly. I find suddenly people... (gestures to laughter) without My saying anything. Just imagine! “Good morning, good morning!” ”Good morning….” (Said by Shri Mataji imitating a shy, shaking voice, laughter) “What’s the matter?” “It’s very hot”. Is this the way to greet your Mother? You are the soldiers, you are the warriors. But, what I find, hands are shaking. Where should I put these swords? (Laughter) This is My experience now, that this pouch of the left Vishuddhi is a very difficult thing. My ears are also becoming absolutely clogged with that vibrations, so much flowing on the left side, all this left Vishuddhi, that I can’t hear from the left side. So, at least have some pity on Me, and give up that nonsense of guilt. Even a minute you feel guilty, just look at outside and look at the birds chirping, look at the sunshine, look at the beautiful Nature that has given you such a beautiful color and all that. Look at that, and just take the beauty within yourself and without. Enjoy, and give up this miserable look. You should at least look like realized people. Look, at least, if not feel (laughter). So, this kind of seriousness has no meaning in Sahaja Yoga. A Sahaja Yogi stands like this, and talks like this, and walks like this - normally (laughter). So, feeling guilty is not only speciality of English, but I have seen it with all the Western people have this very good idea of feeling guilty, everybody is so. Went to France – I told you about French people. As soon as I went there, they warned Me for one thing, that, “Mother, never say You are the happy person, You are very happy people”. I said: ‘Why? Because I’m - I am a happy person, why should I tell them lies?”. They said they will never believe Me, and they’ll think You are absolutely ignorant of the truth. You are ignorant of the reality, and that You are an uneducated person. You have not read books on ‘shocks for future’ and things like that. (General laughter) (Shri Mataji laughs) I said: "All right". But then I really lashed all the French on that, and they laughed and laughed at themselves. "Les Miserables". I said, "You people, everybody is miserable because of you". Any Frenchman coming anywhere, the people don’t know where to sit, they don’t know this camel, which side it is going to sit, on whose head it is going to sit, and the camel is very miserable. And here everybody is frightened of the camel, how he is going to behave. Very difficult person if he’s French. Everywhere internationally they are known to be difficult. And now, here you are, what are you miserable about? And English have taken certain qualities from Americans, which they need not have taken, and some from French. They don’t understand their quality of mind is the best. They have taken from here and there, and that’s how they are also becoming French, you see. Bathroom culture, that’s what it is (laughter). And you don’t have to learn anything from them. It is they, they are who have to learn from you. What have they got? Have they got any scholars? Very few. And you, your this weakness for becoming miserable, and guilty, and all that, is coming from where? I really can’t understand, what is there to be miserable? If you don’t have a job, you get a dole. Nowhere in the world people get doles. Do you know that? Nowhere! Nowhere people get doles. While you get your doles quite all right, it will mean (indistinct) you don’t starve. Germany, France, anywhere, you don’t get a good dole. So what is there to be miserable? At least you people be happy people. At least, the English should show the way. Feel happy within yourself. Then only you’ll be able to see the Spirit. Don’t be miserable. There’s nothing to be miserable. We are special people, who have got the blessings of our Spirit. We should all sing, laugh, enjoy, be [sprinkling? Indistinct] with vitality. There’s nothing to feel miserable. I mean, after some time you’ll find really you’ll have to act to be miserable. It will be difficult for you to be miserable for more than five minutes (laughter). I can bet on that. With Me, same problem. I find it impossible, you see. I try to be very serious: ‘I’m going to now say something serious’ (She laughs) - suddenly I burst out laughing, because to Me the whole thing is nothing but a big joke on. So don’t have these French ideas in your head of becoming miserable for nothing at all. Be a happy people. Emit happiness, joy to others. There’s nothing like ‘future shock’, for you at least (laughter). There’s nothing like future problems. Future is beautiful, just you have no idea. But do not lag behind with a big stone tied to your necks. For people who know that they have found the Spirit, they should know that they have found the joy. Spirit is the source of joy, and that should be evident when you talk. No inhibitions, no curbing, it’s complete freedom. But do not try to mold yourself into the molds of the people who are not realized. Now you are different, you are changed, it is irreversible. Whatever you may try, say after two years or three years, all of you will be bubbling with laughter. But why not do it now? If it is going to happen later, why not have the blossom time now? We start thinking about it, we start worrying about it, there’s nothing like that. Our problems are solved, our lives are beautified, everything is so nice and good, just to make you happy. Still, if you are not happy, still if you are worried, then the Divine recedes, it recedes. It’s like sunshine. If you do not want to face the sunshine, you do not get it. You have to face the sunshine. You just don’t get it. Every tree moves to the sunshine, every leaf tries to be towards the sunshine. They have innately built wisdom, in the same way you should be, and you will see that with this – your life will change completely. Every moment you’ll enjoy. Every minute of life you’ll enjoy. Everything that you do you’ll enjoy. Every small thing you do you’ll enjoy. People are sometimes amazed with Me, also. Once, I climbed up a place called Palitana which is about seven miles one has to walk, with My son-in-law, daughter, and they said: ‘If You cannot go up You’d better sit on those palanquins and all that’. ‘No, no’ - I said - ‘I can walk, let’s go, I’ll walk’. And I was just enjoying, you know, I never felt I was walking on a thing like that, because I was enjoying the Nature, I was enjoying the people, how they were coming down, and how the people were going up and all that, and their gaits and things, and I was just enjoying all that. And when we reached there, these people who were going with Me, absolutely fagged out and tired, they sat down: ‘Haaaa’. (Laughter) And I also sat down with them, I looked up, I said: ‘Look at these – so many elephants of - they made, and everybody’s tail is differently twisted. How they must have thought of so many permutations and combinations?’. My son-in-law said: ‘How could You see the tail of an elephant when we are so very tired here?’. (She laughs, laughter) You see, I just - spontaneously I saw the thing, I said: ‘How surprising that they have twisted the tail of the elephants’ – there were many elephants created, you see, at least there must be about hundred elephants in that pattern, everybody’s tail was twisted differently. I said: ‘It’s so, I mean, imagine, one hundred elephants with twisted tails in different ways, hundred ways. It’s remarkable for Me’. They said: “How could you see the tail? We are so tired, we want some water!”. (Laughter, She laughs) That’s what it is. This is inexhaustible. This power of enjoyment is inexhaustible. I want you all to enjoy that, to drink that nectar of your Spirit, and to forget about all these artificial problems that you have. You just enjoy, because now you are drenched in your Spirit. So enjoy that. Why worry? Some people haven’t got it, they will get it also. Don’t worry about anyone, they will all get it, they will all have to get it, all those who are seekers will have to come. It’s nice you have come earlier, it’s a nice thing, but now do not stop your progress by lingering with this load around your neck. Let the Kundalini take you up. But She likes light things - she’s a light thing herself, that’s why she rises. Everything that is heavy within you she’ll burn, but do not make yourself additionally heavy. May God Bless you. I’ll have some water please. [Shri Mataji relates a story about thieves trying to steal silver from Her home, making particular reference to a heavy silver statue She refers to as the ‘heavy gentleman’] You brought this gentleman here? You brought him? [Yogi: “Yes, Mother”] Ah ha. [Yogi: “Is it the correct place in the temple…?”] Anywhere, it’s great, you know. Some thieves came into our house. And this heavy gentleman had come from India. He was very vibrated. And the thieves came with some silver put in the dining room. They had collected all the silver, put it on a tablecloth, and put the whole thing on the dining room. And then suddenly God knows what happened. They just ran away, leaving that there. And this gentleman was there, in the passage. They just ran away. Can you imagine, these thieves - I mean they are burglars, competent absolutely, experts - nobody could believe it, except that we saw some steps and our door was opened out. Otherwise nobody could believe it. Not here, Oxted. But they did not take even a spoon. God knows what happened (laughter). I was not there. (laughter) Recently brought from India. You see, poor - were very hefty people who brought our luggage - do, leave it there - and they brought this one. She said: “This is a very heavy gentleman from India”. They were both hot and exhausted (Shri Mataji laughs), but their Kundalini had risen up. [Showing statue to group] This is Kartikeya. Hmmm! This is the fire of Christ. This is the one that is going to come. Really. The fire of Christ. The destroying power, Rudras. This is one of the Rudras of Christ. Hmm, it’s quite warm, I think. Kundalini is working it out. She is rising. How are you here? [Somebody says: “Fine”] Alright? Alison? Hm. Come, come. I would like to see all the children on My feet today. [End of audio]

The Power of Kundalini, Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Chelsham Road Ashram, London (UK), May 17th,1981 Today I told you about Kundalini, and that Kundalini is the Pure Desire within us, that manifests or is awakened to give us our Self-realization. Means the desire is only fulfilled when you get your Self-realization, otherwise it is not manifested – it is just dormant; it is still residual. It has created the whole universe, but until and unless you get Self-realization, unless and until you become one with your Spirit, you have not achieved the manifestation of this power, which will go on making you run and run and run, thinking that you have not yet achieved, or you have not found out your meaning. It will be there, all the time, sleeping, but giving you a feeling of vacuum, you see. So this power must be made to manifest, but when it manifests… [Shri Mataji pauses to comfort an infant: “What’s it? What happened? Well, let it be, let him sit down, come. What happened? Come along. What’s happening? Eh? It’s alright.” (Shri Mataji kisses the child) “All right. All right?” (The baby: “Yes”) “Good. (Laughter) Now one has to keep quiet, all right?” (Shri Mataji kisses the child.)] Then, this power has got certain qualities. The first quality it has got, this is ungrahavati, means it goes against the gravity. It goes against the gravity. You see, a thing rises, it doesn’t go down. So a person who has to be aspiring by nature. If a person is not aspiring type the Kundalini doesn’t rise. Because, like, you see that, when food passes down our stomach it presses the sides of the intestines. By that these movements of going down takes place. Do you see my point? So, when the Kundalini starts, and starts pressing on the sides of the chakras, she creates a feeling of throwing it higher and higher, so the chakras bounce it upward. All the heavy things, all go downward, but the Kundalini rises higher and higher and higher, because it is like fire. Fire never burns downward. It always burns upward. She looks also like fire, and she has the capacity of fire within her. The fire has a capacity to purify, and to burn off whatever can be burnt off. It purifies the things which it cannot burn, and burns off the things which are inflammable, which can be burnt out. [Aside: “Come along, come forward”. Man: “Thank you very much”.] So, the quality of fire that exists in the Kundalini burns off whatever is useless. Like in our house we find all the useless things, and we take them in the garden and burn them off, finished – once for all they are finished. So, when the Kundalini rises, She also burns off all useless things that you have, all your useless desires, your useless ideas of action, all sorts of useless accumulation of feelings and egos, and every sort of a nonsensical thing that is in between. Everything is burnt off fast, because they can be burnt, they are not eternal by nature. They are not eternal by nature. They are temporarily there. All that is temporary, she burns off, and that’s how she enlightens the Spirit, because Spirit cannot be burnt by anything. But this burning is so beautiful that it burns off all that is bad, stagnating, all that is polluting, all that is a disease, and cools down the system. It is very interesting to see how this power of fire becomes the cool breeze. But in the science also, you find that electricity can give you hot breeze or cool breeze. You can transform from one to another, but there is no ultimate for these things, they are always reversible. Supposing something becomes a magnetism, you can always convert into electricity, electricity can always be converted into magnetism. But Kundalini is such a thing that once she burns off everything that is there, that’s how you get heat, because she’s burning. But when she cools down and becomes cool then she is not reversible. That’s why it is a living process. Living process is never reversible. All dead processes can be reversible, but anything that is reversible – now, supposing you are grown up: you cannot become a little baby. Whatever you may try - you may have any number of operations - you cannot become that (laughter). Now you are grown up, now you are modern, over-developed. You may try anything to become a primitive person – you cannot. You just cannot, whatever you may try. That will be all very artificial. You may just feel that you have become primitive by wearing some sort of a dress, by feeling that, ‘Oh, now there’s no modernism in us, and now we have become very, very subdued’, nothing of the kind. It is curable, but not reversible. But, it’s a living process. So, Kundalini within us expedites the living process within us of our evolution. So the power of Kundalini is to purify, she purifies us like fire. She doesn’t purify us like water, it’s surprising, she doesn’t purify us like water. Now, water, what does the water do? Water never burns off anything, but it dissolves certain things. It can take in something within itself, you see? It can contain some of the dirt within itself. Supposing you put a color in the water – it assumes the colour. But Kundalini does not assume the colour. She burns off things. Do you follow My point? So, if you have anything wrong within you, she’ll burn it off, but she’ll not absorb – she’s pure. She cannot absorb those things into her that will pollute her. She cannot be polluted. This quality of fire - say for example, if you put gold in fire, silver in fire, you can purify these things. Their pure form comes in: that’s how you know. But if you put gold and silver in water, nothing will happen. At the most you can wash them from outside. But in and out you cannot do it. So, outwardly you can do with other things, but with Kundalini you do in and out. The face also looks beautiful, as if some blazing has taken place on the face, a new, bright face. It’s not sallow, neither it is horribly burning, nor is it pale and ugly-looking, but it becomes radiant. Radiance, that’s what Kundalini gives you. It looks also, as if a molten iron, you see - have you seen molten iron? – Pillar of – supposing you take a pillar of iron and, and heat it, to a point where it starts showing, you see, copper, every color in it, copperish and all sorts of color you see, see it’s golden, copperish and all that, you see, like a furnace. But very silently, very silent, it works out. Now, the sound of Kundalini I have told you in one of my lectures, how it creates sound. For example at Vishuddhi, it creates the sound of all the vowels that are in Sanskrit language. The English vowels are very few. Sanskrit language are a aa – i ii – u uu – ru ruu – lru lruu – e aì – o aù – am ah. These are the sounds at Vishuddhi we can say. But she creates sounds on all the chakras. But when she comes to Nabhi it becomes a "vani". "Vani" means information, coded information, that’s the nearest you get, coded information. First, it is the "paravani", which you don’t hear. When it rises from the Kundalini point – means Mooladhara Chakra and Mooladhara [sacrum], then it is not heard, there’s no sound. When it comes to the stomach, the "paravani" starts. Then it comes into the centre, where, in the heart, always you hear it: madhyama- where you can hear it: ‘Lub dub, lub dub, lub dub’, just like heart. Properly, with a stethoscope you can hear it. Then it comes to Vishuddhi. It becomes a witness, means "pashyanti", the one who sees. You might have noticed yourself, when you are caught up in Vishuddhi, you feel the thing going on here. But here, she sees. Then this sound, which is the sound with which you speak, when it comes to the throat, it becomes "vaikhari", it says [speech]. This is even before the Kundalini is there, the "vani", the coded information, the language, which is first only coded, becomes decoded here, she's called "vaikhari", which talks. But after Realization, the Kundalini enlightens the "vani", as it enlightens everything else. Because of that enlightenment, your mantras become enlightened. And that’s how, when you say a mantra, it is effective, it’s lighted. Before this, any mantra said has no meaning, it’s just ordinary Vani, just like in any ordinary person. So, it is called as the mantra which is "jagrut", awakened. So, a mantra which is jagrut cannot be created out of a mantra which is not enlightened. Like if you have, say, an earthen pot or an earthen thing like this, or this one as it is, and you have all the oil and everything there: still it won’t give light till it is enlightened. In the same way, the mantra is nothing, it’s just a dead cup. Unless and until it is enlightened by Kundalini, it is from ordinary vani, which cannot give you enlightenment, and which cannot give enlightenment to the mantras. And that’s why these mantras have no meaning at all. A person whose Spirit is enlightened, and his vani is enlightened, such a person, whatever he says comes true. Whatever he asks for happens. Even before he says something, the desire, the desire within us which is the "paravani", which is the coded information of the desire you have, becomes enlightened. And that’s how you get the results. Suddenly you get something. You say, "Oh, I have struck the jackpot", and "Mother has done it". That’s how it works out. The whole system works out this way, of Kundalini. So, this pure Kundalini creates purity within us. Without the purity we cannot see anything. Anything that is impure - say, say my hands are not clean, I can’t see the lines. Anything that is dirtied, you cannot see the real picture of it. You cannot see the reality if it is not been purified. But, even if it is superficially purified or artificially painted, still, you can always say that it is artificially painted, and you cannot see the beauty of this one, because this is done from outside. But this Kundalini burns off everything: "bhasmasat", makes everything into ashes. And whatever remains is the pure gold of the Spirit within us. That’s why, when people try to raise the Kundalini by wrong methods, she shows her temper. Actually, she never gets angry. If Kundalini gets angry such a person can never exist, is impossible, but doesn’t happen normally. But it is Shri Ganesha, which is the Deity of Shri Kundalini, gets angry, and He creates this problem of heat. Because she’s fire, and He’s the deity. So the fire of this Kundalini works out in such a manner that your sympathetic nervous gets excited with heat, and one may get even blisters and things, if you try any tricks with Kundalini, any unholy behaviour... (inaudible words) The Urdhva-vati of Kundalini, the rising of the Kundalini, is its nature. But when she goes and touches the Sahasrara, that is an important point. If she does not touch the Sahasrara, then the Grace doesn’t fall in, and the Grace has to come in within us on our both sides of the Ida and Pingala Nadi. That’s how you feel relaxed. Now, how important it is for us to preserve our being, before coming to Realization. To preserve it as it is. But we do not preserve. We make mistakes. Kundalini is not forgiveness, she does not forgive you. She is not the one who can forgive, because her nature is hot, like the fire. She cannot forgive. Only the Spirit can forgive. Only the Atma can forgive, because she is the one who indicates all your problems. She is the one who cleanses you. She has to cleanse you. If she starts forgiving you, your dirt will be left there. As we do, you see, we clean: “Oh, it cannot be cleaned, leave it alone, what to do?”.She is not like that. If it is not clean, she’ll burn. Cancer is the cause of neglect of Kundalini awakening. Unless and until Kundalini is awakened, you cannot cure cancer of any person. So, if somebody, say, has a nice mother-in-law, she might be a relation, and she was a good lady, she also tried to take vibrations and all that, she was quite aged, maybe she might be also a seeker. But it acts best on seekers, because the Kundalini has to be awakened and she will not be awakened unless and until you have aspirations. And if you have no aspirations, if you just try to get it for your curing, you might get cured, by her awakening, but it’s a very forced action. It’s not so natural, there’s no suction about it. We can say like that, supposing in this room we light fire, there is no oxygen, it won’t live. So we have to have that oxygen within us of our aspirations. If that atmosphere doesn’t exist, Kundalini takes time to rise. Unless and until you are realized you cannot keep Kundalini up there. You may just touch it, go down, again you’ll touch it, go down, again you’ll touch it, go down. So, as a result of this, some people start feeling the guilt. ‘Why should I have done this? I should not have done that’, and all that. But after Realization, this guilt is a big problem. Even before Realization, I find, it is. Because guilt is an escape, where all the things are accumulated, which have to be burned off. You see, all things accumulate on the side, very nicely stored - stored away you see, kept there nicely, so they do not face the Kundalini and get burnt. And that’s how the left side of a person goes on recurring all the time, all the time, through these two points of left Nabhi and left Vishuddhi. Allow the Kundalini to burn it off. Just put this to the fire. And when you put this to fire of Kundalini it will burn off completely. Don’t build up any kind of guilt. At least after realization. Before realization, of course, one has to worry a little bit. But, even telling all this, it is convenient to feel guilty. You avoid all problems by feeling guilty, ‘Oh, I should not have done it, I’m sorry’ - English language (laughter). Very simple -‘I’m sorry, I should not have done. I’m sorry. I tell you I’ve done a mistake, all right’. But you do not say like this, that: ‘All right, I’m sorry, forget it.’ That should be added, too. You see, when you say somebody ‘I’m sorry’ to somebody, he’ll say: ‘All right, forget it’. The other person also should say within you, that ‘Forget it’. If you do not do, try that thing, you see, this is very nicely accumulated here all the time, and this feeling guilty is a very convenient method of escaping the truth, you see, showing that you are very frightened, you are very upset, this and that, and just storing up the whole thing up here in the left Vishuddhi. How will you progress? You cannot progress with this idea that you are guilty, you are - even if you are, what are you going to do, what? You want to go to jail? Take two running jumps and go there! (Laughter, She laughs) I would say like that. Why come to Sahaj Yog? Just go to hell, you can go very fast, there’s no need. But, if you are to be saved, accept that you are saved, and do not build up these left Vishuddhi problems. It’s a bit too much now. I think it’s high time that we should burn, burn all these things, these guilts, these wrong ideas which always keeps us down. It’s like putting something in the neck, a heavy stone, and saying. ‘I can’t cure, what to do’. Now, the stone must be removed, how can Mataji pull you out? See, whatever I may try, there’s a big stone and that’s pulling you down. It’s a very big problem, I think now, because Kundalini doesn’t know what to do, and how to reach your left Vishuddhi, to burn out that nonsensical thing which you have stored very sweetly: ‘Ah, I’m frightened, I’m afraid, I’m sorry’. In Sahaja Yoga, certain few English language usages are not allowed – one of these ‘I am afraid’. Even a politician who is so dominating will say ‘I’m afraid’. I mean, what are you afraid of? Everybody is afraid of you (Laughter). What is there to be afraid of? So this usage is not allowed, ‘I’m afraid’. This is not allowed at all, to say ‘I’m afraid’. What are you afraid of? As I said today that ‘Wages of sin is fear’. All right. But wages of sin is fear, so, if the sin is removed, then the fear should go or not? But still, it is like this, there is light, still you behave as if you, you are in the dark, still you: ‘I can’t see, I’m frightened’. Arey Baba, there is light, see for yourself! This is a thing one should know, that your Kundalini is awakened, that your Spirit is shining. Open your heart to this, accept this, recognize it, know that you are a realized soul now, and that Kundalini has purified you. Now, please do not accumulate this dirt here, on the left side, because you like it, because it’s very convenient to put up faces, to say ‘Oh, it’s all right’. (Maybe talking to somebody) Little bit heat coming up, send it up here, goes like that. It will be cleaned out. Leave it alone. Let us face it. Somebody gets a little heat, ‘Oh, I’m again bad, again I’m lost, God knows what have I done?’ (Shri Mataji imitates a frightened voice, laughter of the yogis). Correct? It happens, very commonly. I find suddenly people... (gestures to laughter) without My saying anything. Just imagine! “Good morning, good morning!” ”Good morning….” (Said by Shri Mataji imitating a shy, shaking voice, laughter) “What’s the matter?” “It’s very hot”. Is this the way to greet your Mother? You are the soldiers, you are the warriors. But, what I find, hands are shaking. Where should I put these swords? (Laughter) This is My experience now, that this pouch of the left Vishuddhi is a very difficult thing. My ears are also becoming absolutely clogged with that vibrations, so much flowing on the left side, all this left Vishuddhi, that I can’t hear from the left side. So, at least have some pity on Me, and give up that nonsense of guilt. Even a minute you feel guilty, just look at outside and look at the birds chirping, look at the sunshine, look at the beautiful Nature that has given you such a beautiful color and all that. Look at that, and just take the beauty within yourself and without. Enjoy, and give up this miserable look. You should at least look like realized people. Look, at least, if not feel (laughter). So, this kind of seriousness has no meaning in Sahaja Yoga. A Sahaja Yogi stands like this, and talks like this, and walks like this - normally (laughter). So, feeling guilty is not only speciality of English, but I have seen it with all the Western people have this very good idea of feeling guilty, everybody is so. Went to France – I told you about French people. As soon as I went there, they warned Me for one thing, that, “Mother, never say You are the happy person, You are very happy people”. I said: ‘Why? Because I’m - I am a happy person, why should I tell them lies?”. They said they will never believe Me, and they’ll think You are absolutely ignorant of the truth. You are ignorant of the reality, and that You are an uneducated person. You have not read books on ‘shocks for future’ and things like that. (General laughter) (Shri Mataji laughs) I said: "All right". But then I really lashed all the French on that, and they laughed and laughed at themselves. "Les Miserables". I said, "You people, everybody is miserable because of you". Any Frenchman coming anywhere, the people don’t know where to sit, they don’t know this camel, which side it is going to sit, on whose head it is going to sit, and the camel is very miserable. And here everybody is frightened of the camel, how he is going to behave. Very difficult person if he’s French. Everywhere internationally they are known to be difficult. And now, here you are, what are you miserable about? And English have taken certain qualities from Americans, which they need not have taken, and some from French. They don’t understand their quality of mind is the best. They have taken from here and there, and that’s how they are also becoming French, you see. Bathroom culture, that’s what it is (laughter). And you don’t have to learn anything from them. It is they, they are who have to learn from you. What have they got? Have they got any scholars? Very few. And you, your this weakness for becoming miserable, and guilty, and all that, is coming from where? I really can’t understand, what is there to be miserable? If you don’t have a job, you get a dole. Nowhere in the world people get doles. Do you know that? Nowhere! Nowhere people get doles. While you get your doles quite all right, it will mean (indistinct) you don’t starve. Germany, France, anywhere, you don’t get a good dole. So what is there to be miserable? At least you people be happy people. At least, the English should show the way. Feel happy within yourself. Then only you’ll be able to see the Spirit. Don’t be miserable. There’s nothing to be miserable. We are special people, who have got the blessings of our Spirit. We should all sing, laugh, enjoy, be [sprinkling? Indistinct] with vitality. There’s nothing to feel miserable. I mean, after some time you’ll find really you’ll have to act to be miserable. It will be difficult for you to be miserable for more than five minutes (laughter). I can bet on that. With Me, same problem. I find it impossible, you see. I try to be very serious: ‘I’m going to now say something serious’ (She laughs) - suddenly I burst out laughing, because to Me the whole thing is nothing but a big joke on. So don’t have these French ideas in your head of becoming miserable for nothing at all. Be a happy people. Emit happiness, joy to others. There’s nothing like ‘future shock’, for you at least (laughter). There’s nothing like future problems. Future is beautiful, just you have no idea. But do not lag behind with a big stone tied to your necks. For people who know that they have found the Spirit, they should know that they have found the joy. Spirit is the source of joy, and that should be evident when you talk. No inhibitions, no curbing, it’s complete freedom. But do not try to mold yourself into the molds of the people who are not realized. Now you are different, you are changed, it is irreversible. Whatever you may try, say after two years or three years, all of you will be bubbling with laughter. But why not do it now? If it is going to happen later, why not have the blossom time now? We start thinking about it, we start worrying about it, there’s nothing like that. Our problems are solved, our lives are beautified, everything is so nice and good, just to make you happy. Still, if you are not happy, still if you are worried, then the Divine recedes, it recedes. It’s like sunshine. If you do not want to face the sunshine, you do not get it. You have to face the sunshine. You just don’t get it. Every tree moves to the sunshine, every leaf tries to be towards the sunshine. They have innately built wisdom, in the same way you should be, and you will see that with this – your life will change completely. Every moment you’ll enjoy. Every minute of life you’ll enjoy. Everything that you do you’ll enjoy. Every small thing you do you’ll enjoy. People are sometimes amazed with Me, also. Once, I climbed up a place called Palitana which is about seven miles one has to walk, with My son-in-law, daughter, and they said: ‘If You cannot go up You’d better sit on those palanquins and all that’. ‘No, no’ - I said - ‘I can walk, let’s go, I’ll walk’. And I was just enjoying, you know, I never felt I was walking on a thing like that, because I was enjoying the Nature, I was enjoying the people, how they were coming down, and how the people were going up and all that, and their gaits and things, and I was just enjoying all that. And when we reached there, these people who were going with Me, absolutely fagged out and tired, they sat down: ‘Haaaa’. (Laughter) And I also sat down with them, I looked up, I said: ‘Look at these – so many elephants of - they made, and everybody’s tail is differently twisted. How they must have thought of so many permutations and combinations?’. My son-in-law said: ‘How could You see the tail of an elephant when we are so very tired here?’. (She laughs, laughter) You see, I just - spontaneously I saw the thing, I said: ‘How surprising that they have twisted the tail of the elephants’ – there were many elephants created, you see, at least there must be about hundred elephants in that pattern, everybody’s tail was twisted differently. I said: ‘It’s so, I mean, imagine, one hundred elephants with twisted tails in different ways, hundred ways. It’s remarkable for Me’. They said: “How could you see the tail? We are so tired, we want some water!”. (Laughter, She laughs) That’s what it is. This is inexhaustible. This power of enjoyment is inexhaustible. I want you all to enjoy that, to drink that nectar of your Spirit, and to forget about all these artificial problems that you have. You just enjoy, because now you are drenched in your Spirit. So enjoy that. Why worry? Some people haven’t got it, they will get it also. Don’t worry about anyone, they will all get it, they will all have to get it, all those who are seekers will have to come. It’s nice you have come earlier, it’s a nice thing, but now do not stop your progress by lingering with this load around your neck. Let the Kundalini take you up. But She likes light things - she’s a light thing herself, that’s why she rises. Everything that is heavy within you she’ll burn, but do not make yourself additionally heavy. May God Bless you. I’ll have some water please. [Shri Mataji relates a story about thieves trying to steal silver from Her home, making particular reference to a heavy silver statue She refers to as the ‘heavy gentleman’] You brought this gentleman here? You brought him? [Yogi: “Yes, Mother”] Ah ha. [Yogi: “Is it the correct place in the temple…?”] Anywhere, it’s great, you know. Some thieves came into our house. And this heavy gentleman had come from India. He was very vibrated. And the thieves came with some silver put in the dining room. They had collected all the silver, put it on a tablecloth, and put the whole thing on the dining room. And then suddenly God knows what happened. They just ran away, leaving that there. And this gentleman was there, in the passage. They just ran away. Can you imagine, these thieves - I mean they are burglars, competent absolutely, experts - nobody could believe it, except that we saw some steps and our door was opened out. Otherwise nobody could believe it. Not here, Oxted. But they did not take even a spoon. God knows what happened (laughter). I was not there. (laughter) Recently brought from India. You see, poor - were very hefty people who brought our luggage - do, leave it there - and they brought this one. She said: “This is a very heavy gentleman from India”. They were both hot and exhausted (Shri Mataji laughs), but their Kundalini had risen up. [Showing statue to group] This is Kartikeya. Hmmm! This is the fire of Christ. This is the one that is going to come. Really. The fire of Christ. The destroying power, Rudras. This is one of the Rudras of Christ. Hmm, it’s quite warm, I think. Kundalini is working it out. She is rising. How are you here? [Somebody says: “Fine”] Alright? Alison? Hm. Come, come. I would like to see all the children on My feet today. [End of audio]

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“The Right Side,” Caxton Hall, London (UK), 18 May 1981. I’ll talk to you about the Right Side, Right Side sympathetic nervous system, which is expressed by our subtle energy of Mahasaraswati, which gives us the power to act. By [the] Left Side we desire and by using the Right Side, the power of Pingala Nadi, we act. I was telling you about the Right Side the other day. Let us see how our Right Side is built up. I am sorry for people who have come for the first time but every time when I start the introduction to the subject, again it becomes the same but later on I’ll explain to you about Sahaj Yoga. Now this Right Side, Pingala Nadi, is a very, very important energy-giving energy which makes us act and activate. Now this one is made of all the five elements: you know all the five elements that have created our physical being and our mental being. That’s how it helps us to work out all our physical and mental problems, mental activities and mental and physical growth. Now this, being made by those five elements, when, first time, human beings started thinking of doing some action, about anything, say in India, they first thought, “Why not, somehow or other, reach to the principle of these elements, which is beyond physics, which is beyond chemistry?” And to reach to that point, they thought it would be better if we try to invoke or to awaken the Deities which are governing those five elements. This was a very big mistake though, I should say, because human beings, whatever they take up, they do not know where to stop! If you tell them that you have to clean your teeth every day, then they’ll go on cleaning it twelve times in twelve hours. [If] you tell them anything, they’ll go so far that they will destroy the instrument which is supposed to be looked out (after). That’s the nature of human beings: they cannot have brakes to themselves. They do not have common sense as far as balancing their life. So, anything you give them, they become so mad after it that, in Marathi, there’s a word that [means that] they ultimately put ashes on their head, to say to declare that, “I am dead now, I have become ashes.” Like that, they get so frantic that even while doing this awakening of these principles they forgot, lost their sight, that we are after our Spirit and not these elements. We are beyond that, we have to reach beyond that. All these elements are only useful for us to achieve a state in which we can create things and we can have more time to devote to meditation to enjoy our Self-realisation. They got completely blinded by the advances they made on this side which is, in pure and simple words, materialism. They became so responsible, so efficient. First in the Vedas, it’s written, the first stanza is such that, “By reading these Vedas if you do not know your Spirit then it is absolutely useless.” But this stanza they always close down I think. Then they started worshipping those Deities, this, that, exciting them and doing all ritualism and all that. And they just went into it headlong, absolutely headlong. They would not turn back. So by exciting these elements, they discovered the principles of these elements; for example, they discovered that gravity is the essence of the Mother Earth. But [actually] it is not. That is not the essence of the Mother Earth, that is the energy that is asserted by Her, but Her essence is Her fragrance. They could not cross that limit where they could see really the subtle thing which was [that] the subtle principle of this energy of gravity is the fragrance. All the fragrances come from Her. Of course man-made [fragrances] there are, that’s different, but even the man-made are also coming from Her, if you go, trace, source it up to the point, it is from there. Like that they went on discovering the subtler, so-called subtler, energies or the principles of these elements, from the Vedas time. Then it became the science. People started studying physics, chemistry, this, that: understanding what was there before them by going into it and trying to find out what is it made of. For example, they went into atoms, they went into molecules and things and they tried to find out. And there they find the oscillation of the protons and they find the oscillation of these atoms [and] they just can’t understand, “Now, from where this energy of this oscillation is coming?” They could not capture that energy so they thought, “Better use the energy.” So they started using the energy. Now it has gone to such a limit of the whole thing is, now I read, saw that, microchips or something coming up. After some time you won’t be using your hands or head or anything, it will be that microchips will be going on. But with this kind of a thing, with this extreme behaviour, you will become a machine yourself, a slave of the machine. Today the petrol is exhausted, tomorrow electricity is exhausted, then what are you going to do? You don’t know even to count two plus two! So you are left without any counting. You will become the same primitive man and I don’t know what you will be doing, climbing on the trees and living like monkeys? I don’t know what will happen. So all this advancement that you did has gone too far. But as a result of too much efficiency, too much responsibility and all that, you became sort of addicted to it and then, with that, you started dominating other people. The machinery came in; with that you produced such a lot of machinery stuff that you didn’t know what to do so you had to find out markets where you’ll sell them, so you started capturing other markets where you started selling them and that’s how all these economic problems and all these have started. There are developing countries, there are developed countries, all things going on in this mad world. All right! But we reach a point now where we realise that this machine has done something nonsensical within us. When we reach that point, we start thinking, “Now, what are we to do?” We have been very responsible, not you people but your forefathers maybe, who went to fight the whole world and do this and they had to be at right time at right places and do all sorts of things. By that over-responsibility you became fed up. You just didn’t know what to do. For example, morning you wear a grey suit, in the night you have to wear a tailcoat and then if you have to drink your wine, you have to take a separate glass; or for that, this. It became too much messy, [so] you said, “Throw them in the sea! We’re not going to have all this nonsense. We have collected all these forms and horrible things that have made us so rigid.” That’s how you tried to throw away everything but even then when you throw away, where do you go? I mean you have to exist, you cannot just hang in the air. So you said now take another style. And the another style is even worse, much worse. Because then: no responsibility, no respect, no understanding. So this power goes absolutely zero and you are tired very soon. I have seen, I mean in the BBC and all that, young people, and I am a very old woman compared to them, after saying two three words, “Haahh!” they go down. Again after saying something, “Haahh!” This is very big acting these days! In any play you see a person says, “Haahh!” What does it take to act for this kind of a thing? This is what is very common now, you notice it. The reason is you are tired, you are absolutely tired. Why? Because your brain is the same old brain and you have taken a new life, and you cannot adjust yourself to that. You say that, “Now I am sitting down, doing nothing. I am not going to be efficient anymore and all that, I’m sitting down,” [but] the brain is going, “chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk,” morning till evening. How to stop this brain? This brain is working so hard, using up all your energy [so] you have no strength. So to counteract you will say, “Let’s take to some sort of a thing by which we go out of this madness.” Let’s take to something that takes you [to], as we call it, the Right or the Left Side, take something like say hasheesh, or something — like another thing they took — LSD, to go to the right or to the left. Now what happens with that you know very well. Now, thank God, you have realised also that that was nonsensical also, that was no good. These are two areas within us which are called as Adi Bhautik and Adi Daivik. Now, the Adi Bhautik are the ones which take you to the Left Side is the subconscious. And the Adi Daivik are the ones where you try to invoke the devas and all that on the right hand side, that one is the Adi Daivik where we call it supra-conscious area. These two are of no use to human beings, actually. They are not meant for you. They are meant for people who are dead, who are dead souls, who are good for nothing. Now, they cannot get Realisation. It’s not meant for you. That’s the area you should not reside in. But you enter into these areas because of extreme natures. Some people by going into these drugs, some [by] taking to some sort of movements like mesmerism, spiritualism and all sorts of isms. Some people onto the right hand side like taking to what you call these people who are racialists and all such organisations which are racialist and this and that and you know all that kind of a people, like Hitlerish type. All this is nothing but is a kind of an intoxicant which makes you forget the reality that you are a human being, that you have to become the Spirit. That you are the Spirit is the reality. Now the present trend in the Western life is very much set in this country, about which I am very much concerned. I have talked about [this] to many people in person, and also otherwise, that the quality of mind — because we are with the English, let’s talk about the English — quality of mind of English is excellent, I have said it always. And the young people of England have a very good quality of mind, but their heart is like this. They are frightened of what? God alone knows, but they are frightened. Or they have taken this course? I don’t know. Now to do any work, also they are frightened. Supposing we put this colour then it may not match: [if] it doesn’t match it doesn’t matter. What does it matter? Because of those previous ideas they are so frightened of doing anything. Though they say they have broken all those ideas and they have taken to a new liberated ways and all that. But this liberation is also another madness in which their fear has not gone. So the quality of mind of we the English Sahaja Yogis and English people is excellent. If you talk to them you will think you are talking to a scholar; I mean no less than Shakespeare! They could be very well read. They will know about anything you ask them, “What is this road?” “This is the road!” “Now, what’s the name of this road?” “This is the gentleman.” Who was he, his grandfather, what he did, what was the gossip about him, scandals, everything! You can get everything from them. They know everything about everything. Sometimes I am amazed the way people know about things, about all the details as to how many women he had, and how many wives he divorced and what he did and where he went and what he wrote. Take anyone! Take a writer, or take an artist, take a hooligan, or take a robber or anyone who has appeared on the newspaper. As if they have drunk all the newspaper into their memory. The whole thing is so clear cut in their mind that it’s sometimes amazing. But if you tell them to fix one chair, never trust that chair! (laughter) Never trust it! If you ask them to do anything, they’ll tell you, “All right, tomorrow at 7 sharp, I’ll be there!” Even if he comes after seven days, thank your [lucky] stars! I have known people who have done this to me [and] now it’s four years, I have never seen their faces again. They are supposed to be XYZ from Oxford and ABCD from Cambridge. They have got first class first and this and that [but] if you go into their rooms, you will find it’s a pig sty! You don’t know where you have landed. I mean, you don’t believe that it belongs to any educated person! There’s no sense of responsibility left in their head. I mean this energy that is working in the head, if it is not put into a responsible channel, [then it’s] no wonder we find every third person is a paranoid: something wrong with the brain. What is wrong with the brain is that so much energy is here and you are not channelising it at all! By what ways are we to channelise it? Even after realisation, I find people have no respect for anything. Sometimes it’s most surprising that with all this brain activity going on, they get all the satisfaction from the Spirit, they are raising the Kundalini and all that, but they have lost that capacity to be responsible. And that’s why, in Sahaja Yoga also, they are not responsible. This goes on not only about their own private work but about Sahaja Yog, about everything. So this quality of mind has no heart. It has heart in nothing! Supposing I am telling you something: I don’t know about Sahaja Yogis as such, but now I have seen with people, [if] you give them a lecture for one year, one hour, it’s lost, finished! They are just the same! What has happened? It’s only the vibrations, it’s only how you work it out that the life changes and all that. But as far as they are concerned, nothing is recorded in the memory. Sometimes I feel how do I talk? Is it too much on their heads or below their feet? Where is it flowing? So the reason is that the heart is not there. If you register it through your heart, you will do it. If you put your heart into things, you will do it. The heart is, as I told you, is chicken-hearted, is absolutely chicken-hearted. And that’s why, this is what is lacking in our character. For that now the stage has reached [that] we have to raise our Right Side, not the Left Side. Our Right Side is absolutely finished and there the leader of the Right Side are two persons. The Deities are two persons. Of course Brahmadeva is the one who is The Creator, who has created this Universe and who is The One who is busy still creating and doing lots of things for you people. But I would suggest that you have to pay attention to two ideals we had in the history, for this, to understand what sort of ideals we should have. Because the Right Side is a Rajoguna is the one by which you become majestic, you become royal, you achieve all the Rajoguna as you know that. Now two persons are really to be followed in this. One of them is Shri Ram. Shri Ram resides on the Right Heart and is the Father. He is the Father and He is the fatherhood. He is the one who came on this Earth to teach us how to be a father as a king. He is a Father King, He is a Benevolent King, which was described by Plato. He is the Benevolent King. He was the ideal that came on this Earth to teach us how to be responsible to others, how to respect others, how to understand the feelings of others. To such an extent He went, that He had to sacrifice His own wife for the sake of His own state. He did that and He had to ask His wife who was pregnant to go and live with a very great sage. One may say that, “What was He doing about His wife?” She was the Goddess. She was so remarkable that He was not bothered about Her. He was so sure of Her powers that He did it. And there is nothing wrong in leaving things to the Goddess to do, instead of meddling with Her all the time. But this gentleman, Shri Rama, understood the responsibility of a king and that responsibility is lacking in us: that responsibility towards ourselves and towards others. It is very, very surprising. I mean I came from India. I had never met Englishmen at this close quarters till I came to England, I should say, because before that all we met was missionaries. All missionaries were terribly responsible for converting all the people into Christianity. They would get up early in the morning, take their Bible, go around to all the places, clean all the dirty lanes and clean all the children like Pickwick Papers, you see! Clean all the dirty people there, kiss them and do all the impressive things to convert the people. They would go even to the forest to convert them. They were so responsible about it and they felt they have to do it, this is God’s job, they are doing God’s job, they must convert. And they went on with this and that’s how, some of the people I met. Then the rulers were extremely responsible. They were ruthless and they thought this was the greatest thing they were doing, was to spread British Raj and that was their responsibility. When it comes to spreading God’s Raj we are not. First of all in our own life, we should see, “Are we responsible?” Now, in the modern time, I find that we have got rid of that sense of responsibility. It’s called as a sense of diminishing responsibility. We’ll just say, “Yes, yes, I know. I shouldn’t. I know, I know.” I can’t understand: if you have a heart, how can you say that “I know I should not have done it”? “I know I should have been here.” The reason is, there is no heart and the heart always catches when your Right Side over acts. That means your brain is acting too much and there is no real action, the output of it. You think too much and do not put it to practice. “I should have gone,” “I should have done this,” “I should have said so.” And this is the problem with our Right Side. Now, among our Sahaja Yogis also, I find people have the problem of the Right Side. To worship the Right Side, we have to see to Shri Ram: How He felt responsible for the whole world, how He used to look after people, how He looked after the things of other people, how He behaved towards other people. That’s a very important thing which we have to learn. But I find people coming, if it is somebody else’s, they’ll throw away. They will just jump into something and say that, “All right, this is my house I just settle down here the way I like.” There’s no sense of responsibility at all about it, that you have come to somebody else’s house, you have to have some care about it. In the same way you have to know you have come in the world of God, this is the Kingdom of God where you have entered. You have been a stranger. Today you are a guest in His house, what are you doing about it? How are you behaving? Are you responsible? Are you like Shri Rama who took upon Himself all the problems of the world and still He was so responsible? He would not do anything even this much to disturb a person. As far as possible He would like to try to console, and to have the formalities of good living. Formality is meant for good living and good understanding. Unless and until you have this sense of responsibility, your collectivity cannot be all right. You cannot be collectively all right. You need not be a machine for that. There is no need to be a machine, like Japanese — only one person says, the another doesn’t talk. But this one kind of a funny individualism that you have got will never give you that collectivity that is expected of Sahaj Yogis. We all have to be one, being responsible for each other. Not only for one or two persons, because he is my friend, he is my husband, she is my wife but for all of us. We have to be responsible for them, for their things, for their children, for their house, for everything. We have to be responsible. And if this sense of responsibility is lacking, how will you have responsibility for your Self-realisation? Only it can be a self-centred thing, thinking that, “I am very much better, my powers are better. I must have more powers.” But if you do not have this sense of responsibility why should God also give you powers? The main thing is, your Right Side is complete within you, that is the Surya Nadi, that is the nadi which is called as the nadi by which people hold their prana. So it gives you the pranashakti. It’s the pranashakti within you which is the vital force of energy within you, which is lacking. Now this lacking is added up by your heart. At least for a man like that whose pranashakti is exhausted. At least for such a man if the heart is there, he can really use that power which is accumulating in the head and exhausting him, like eating up his brain, if he has the heart in him. Now this is what I have told you last time that the Right Side of human beings is very important when it comes to Sahaj Yog. Because, when the Kundalini rises, your Right Side is also, Right Side is also awakened. Now the question is: why Sahaja Yoga does not spread in England so far? Is a very good question many people have asked me. While in Australia it’s spread so fast. The reason is the Right Side is missing. For the Right Side to be awakened first of all there should be some Right Side! If there is no Right Side, what do you awaken? If there is no light at all what are you going to awaken? There has to be a lamp to be awakened. So all these topics and talks that we have in the society, “I know! I know!” and then you ask them they just say, “I know!” “How are you?” Like that . All these accents and all that, one should give up. One should know that you have to be responsible: that’s a very, very important thing of life. I personally think, unless and until you feel that responsibility, that heart, into Sahaja Yoga, you will enjoy just my talk as you would just enjoy anything else. Real enjoyment comes when your Spirit really blows out the vibrations. You are taking my vibrations, all right, you are feeling them, but what about yours? Are you blowing your vibrations out or they are just taking your brain. Simple questions is, are you blowing any vibrations outside? We have some Sahaja Yogis when they just enter into a house immediately everyone feels it. Everyone can feel it that somebody has come. Immediately the whole thing cools down in no time. Somebody has come. There are some here also, not that there are none, but they are few people. You have to blow out vibrations otherwise you are just a liability to yourself. Why don’t you blow out vibrations? Because you don’t feel responsible. In your day to day life, morning till evening, you have to see that you develop this instrument of responsibility within you, otherwise the vibrations won’t flow because, the main reason is that, our nervous system comes to us through our Right Side. Our nervous system is built up by our Right Side. All the elements within us have built [it] up. If the elements are weakened, if the chakras which are made by these elements — as you know all these charkas are made by elements — if the pot is weak, nothing is going to work out. You should be able to hold that water of love or you can say the water of bliss and should be able to pour it out to others. Unless and until you are able to do that, Sahaja Yoga won’t spread. It will spread very slowly. This is the difference, I feel, between English and Australians, that the quality of mind is thousands times better than Australians. They are not scholars. I found very few people there who are even graduates. Here everybody is a PhD or maybe a ‘MAD’: but they are all very well educated. Despite all that, Sahaj Yoga does not spread out, why? The reason is the quality of mind is good but the action is extremely poor, because you are exhausted, tired, you are fighting in the mind. You are not doing anything by which you blow it out. The Right Side is what you call the Brahma’s, Brahmadeva’s, creation and the Brahma Shakti as they call it. This is the power of Brahma which is flowing through you. We’ll call it the power of the Spirit, it’s true. But the Spirit, the power of the Spirit, flows on your central nervous system. If there is the electricity all stored up here and there are very weak wires what can you do with all that stored up energy? The wires have to be improved and for this wire your Right Side has to be improved immensely. Every minute you have to be responsible, and this is what is lacking. Then I find when some people who are responsible, they feel extremely hurt and they feel that they should really shout and scream and should do something. They don’t know that these are really the saints, they are realised-souls. They are great people, no doubt, but their Right Side is weakened. But that is not a great thing to accept, it’s a very bad thing. But that doesn’t mean you should feel guilty — again, I am saying. Because very nice! This is the way you manage: is to feel guilty. Because feeling guilty is the best way, “I’m sorry, I’m sorry. I should have done it. I know, I know, I know!” — finished! Then how can you improve? If you have a pouch here filled up (of guilt in Left Vishuddhi) all the time with responsibility denied, all the junk you have created out of that, you are pushing into that pouch and then you say, “Yes, yes, I know, I should not have done it!” Now what can you do? As I Mother you can’t say, “You hang yourself by the nearest tree!” What do I do? But I just look at you flabbergasted, I said, “Really?” “Yes, I should have done but I haven’t done it.” For example, I should tell somebody you’d better cook for ten people, they are coming. And the person says, “No, I’m sorry, I forgot, I didn’t cook." You are doomed! You cannot hit him with the pan can you. What to do? That’s how you are at a standstill and you really don’t know how to eat them! The point is: in all this talking of Spirit and God, one has to know [that] the vehicle has to be better. The vehicle is so very poor that it cannot carry: otherwise you will emit vibrations like this. I know you can. Wherever you will stand you’ll attract people. People must gather round you! You will be amazed, I went to Australia for how many months? At the most a month or so, and I came back from there: already seven centres have started and every centre has got at least three hundred regular people coming! It is not to feel guilty: I am not saying [for that], but to awaken yourself, to arise to this point, to be elated with understanding that you have to rise up to that point and that you have to take up that position because you are the warriors of Truth. You are the people who are seekers, you have been for ages, and you have no business to be irresponsible and you have to do it. It is my earnest desire that you understand what I am saying. Just sitting, meditating, putting hands towards me or towards the photograph is not everything. You are still receiving. You are still at a receiving end. You have to be on the giving end. How will you do it? You get so many vibrations sometimes that you cannot feel after some time, it’s so filled, the pitcher is so much filled. But what about pouring it out? Why you cannot pour it out? The reason is that the vehicle within you, which is the Right Side, is the Pingala Nadi, is out of gear. And this is what one has to understand. That can be built up only when you know about Shri Rama’s life, the way He led His life. Every minute of His life was dynamic. Not a single minute He wasted in life. Every minute, whether He was in the forest or…He went to a place with His wife when He was in exile, and there — He knew His wife was a very shy lady and She would not take Her bath in the open — so there’s a rock which is completely honed out, such a big rock honed out, can you imagine? (a place called Sitanani near Rahuri) Inside, there is a water tap sort of a thing coming out, there’s a water coming out. So that there’s a stone here, stone here, stone there, and at the end of it there’s a opening so that there’s light coming from this side and light coming from this side. But inside [if] you go, nobody can see you. There are trees with which it is hidden. There are trees which are called as shikakai (used as hair shampoo) means that’s a kind of a soap giving trees, are created by Him for His wife. Anywhere He lived He created a new dimension, a new house, a new style of life. Of course He was an incarnation you can say. But He is your ideal and not those people who sit out for hours together drinking something and thinking they are great martyrs. I see all of them sitting near our church here and one of them was asked by someone who was passing by, “What are you doing?” “We killing ourselves!” Very proudly saying that! I mean I just don’t understand, what business have they got to kill themselves? How much time it has taken God to create them? And here they are sitting and proudly telling that, “We are killing ourselves!” This is the situation in which I suddenly find myself. So I ask you what should I do? How should I do? You have to feel responsible in every way of life. But you do not think that there is anything wrong if you are a hanky-panky person. If your feathers are falling everywhere [you think] it’s all right! To you it does not matter but to the Divine it does. That means a person cannot convey the message of God, cannot communicate the bliss of God, cannot pour that love. We have to become very responsible in every day life, I am not saying that [only] in Sahaja Yoga, but in every day life, how you live, what you do. Are you only worried about yourself or you are worried about others? Are you responsible for others? I mean the modern style is not even to wish good morning — is regarded bad manners. You see, it is bad manners even to open door to someone, is bad manners, they think it is slavish. I mean, all manners and all those things, all responsibility, seems to be [regarded as] slavish. And this kind of these modern ideas that are floating in the air, you should throw them away! And you have to be human beings of a very great quality. You have to be people who have created new worlds. You are going to create that, I know. You have to just rise up to that point and not to sink into your guilts and say, “Oh God, what we have been doing?” No! Awaken and arise and get it what you have to do. That’s what I feel about England. England is so great and it’s the heart, it’s the heart. And look at the condition of the heart! Your heart is so weak, and there’s no heart into anything. All right, you love me and I love you, but what about you loving others? And loving other things? Loving doesn’t mean writing love letters. Doing something about it! And that’s what, the doing something is missing and lacking. And that’s what we have to build up our Right Side properly, into proper shape. If we have to really do the cooking we have to know how to light the fire within us and not to sit down and worry how to do it. It is a very great thing to come to England for me, really, for one reason that this is the place where Sahaj Yoga is going to work out. It is going to circulate in the whole world, I know, through you people. But if you do not improve the communication wires of yours it will become completely stagnate, and the responsibility of this stagnation will be on you the Sahaja Yogis of London, because you did not put your life together, that’s why it did not work out. It’s a tremendous responsibility. Of course, to be responsible is wrong for wrong things but not to be responsible for Divine work, when God has blessed you with Self-realisation, is absolutely against God, against your Self, against Sahaj Yoga. The other personality which I was talking about is Shri Hanumana. Shri Hanumana is such a great powerful personality about whom I did not tell you. That, I mean, Rama once, you see, His brother was hit by an arrow. And Rama told Hanumana, that, “Why don’t you go and get a particular type of a medicine for him and you get it on a particular mountain, so you go and get that particular thing.” So he had a power, he had nine powers, navadha shaktis he had, nine powers: by which he could become small, he could become big and He could lift anything. He had lots of powers like that, so nine powers: anima, laghuma, garima, like that. He could become so heavy that nobody could lift him (garima). I mean these are the powers he’s got of the right hand side. And so he went down to that mountain and he couldn’t see that anywhere, he just couldn’t see. He said, “Why not take the whole mountain?” He took the whole mountain on himself and he brought it to Rama and he said, “Now you select whichever you like!” He could have come back and said, “Oh, I can’t find! I am sorry, I know, I have been useless!” (laughter) If he was an Englishman! But he said, “All right, if you want!” He brought the whole mountain, “Now come along have it!” In every way of his life, you see his sense of responsibility and how He carries on. For example, he was sent to Ravana and he was asked by Ravana, he told him that, “You cannot stay in this place, why did you come here?” Actually, first he went to Sita and told Her that, “Shri Rama had sent me,” and he showed the ring, and She recognised that was the ring of Her husband. And he said, “Mother if you want, I can take you on my back.” But She said, “No. Already I am a woman who has come with another man. I don’t want to have another bad name and you’ll have a bad name, so I will not come. So it’s all right. You can go back and tell Rama that I am all right. ‘You as a husband, come and fight this man. Otherwise I’m not going to come with you.’ ” So then he was caught up and taken to Ravana. Now Ravana said that, “You are a monkey and what have you come to do it?” He said that, “You’d better release His wife of Shri Rama and He is such and such.” So He said that, “You monkey, you are telling me these things?” “All right,” they said, “burn his tail.” He said, “If they burn my tail, I know how to use!” He knows how the responsibility of the tail is! He started burning the whole of Lanka with his tail and he could have said that, “All right he’s burnt my thing, I’d better run away! Why to do such a thing? You know, better avoid, get out, so forget it! I’m not going to go to Rama, he’s burnt my thing, tomorrow he will do something else.” [Instead] he burnt the whole of Lanka, the whole of it he burnt till Ravana had to say, that, “Please forgive and go away.” He did all kinds of tricks to show that he was really powerful. His so many ways of his sense of responsibility and his dedication and love is expressed. But, they say that, even if you take once his name, whatever work you want to do, it can be done. Any work that you want to be finished will be done. And his day is a Tuesday. On Tuesday, if you request him for anything, he will help you to do the work. But it’s not like this that you sit down, “Now come along Hanumana, will you please do this job?” (laughter) But if you are doing the job, then he comes to help you. Means that he activates, he activates and he makes your energy flow into that direction that your work is done. He’s so helpful in so many ways that you can’t imagine. Our so many Sahaja Yogis have tried it with them. And he has created such miracles. Specially the Australians, somehow they have such a feeling for him, I know the reason, but they have such a feeling for him that every time, anything happening, they tell Hanumana, “Hanumana, now please look after us!” And they have told me that such miraculous things have happened since they have been using Shri Hanumana. But you must have the vehicle to carry this Hanumana! He’s a very subtle Deity within you and if you are irresponsible, he hates such people, he hates, he just can’t bear it. He thinks they are absolutely useless people! He doesn’t pay attention to such people, those who are not responsible. They may give any excuses, they may show off, they may do anything, [but] he just doesn’t care for such people. He has no love, no respect, no attention for the people who are not responsible. There’s a very nice English saying, “God helps those who help themselves.” English language has so many beautiful things in it, all its nursery rhymes and everything. I wish people would not just utter those sayings but do it. They listen to me but they don’t do it. Now you have heard me today you should see how much responsible you are. Now we had our first ashram and if there are others, please excuse me, because it’s an open thing and we have to talk about it. And I was surprised that in our first ashram, when I went there, I was amazed! I mean, young people living like pigs! I couldn’t understand. I mean, they are not hippies, they are not taking any smokes, drinks, or anything. They are so irresponsible! They go to the bathroom, they come out as if a bull in a china shop has entered! And they really live like that, I was amazed! How could they? And they were all graduates, MADs, PhDs, and everything. I was wondering, “What has happened to these people?” Slowly, slowly they improved. But this lot went away then a new lot came in and a new lot came in. And it’s so surprising that once they become responsible and good, somehow or other Hanumana takes them out, and they just get out of it. Now, I have to tell you to determine today, to decide, that every moment and movement of your life you are going to feel responsible as Hanumana does. Any work you tell Him: about Him it is said, “Har kaarje karne ko, tat par.” Means for doing any work, he is just ready! He’s just ready! You tell him anything, he’s just ready to do it. It is his quality that you should have. And that quality is so much lacking today in England. All your strikes, all your problems can be solved. First time when I came, I was surprised, I asked somebody, “Are you working?” He said, “No, I am successfully unemployed!” (laughter) I said, “Really? You are successfully unemployed so how do you eat?” “Oh, we get our doles.” “Oh really?” “We have securities.” What a security, it is nonsense, you are parasite! There is no self-respect. Leave alone the respect of others, there’s no self-respect. I was amazed! Then I told them, “All of you have to take to work. Anybody who takes to doles is not going to stay in the ashram.” I wish your government can take some note of it! That we have to create responsible citizens. In England itself, we have to show that by Sahaj Yoga you have turned the tables, you have got smart people now, efficient, responsible. This is what we have to show. Once you show this to others, people will be amazed at it! With other’s money [it’s] the same thing. If you can get hold of somebody else’s money that’s the best thing! It’s a very common feature. First time the Sahaja Yogis went to India they came back here, they never wrote a letter back, thanking them. And I was amazed. For six months, I said, “What are you doing?” “I know we should have written. I know we should have written.” “Then why? Why didn’t you write?” No responsibility! What is this, I could not understand. Gradually they developed and developed and developed. Now they feel. But those who have started feeling are the matured Sahaja Yogis I should say. But others who are coming it must know that you have to have a sense of responsibility. Sometimes people who are realised have a feeling, “Oh, now we are realised! Now, nothing! Settle down, have the bliss of Mother. Sit down and enjoy it,” Nothing doing! It will stop! You have to be able to give this to others, you should emit. If you cannot emit those vibrations yourself…If you are enlightened, you should be able to give light to others. You can raise the Kundalini, all right, but what about your own personality which is so irresponsible? Which is nowhere near Hanumana’s. This Hanumana style of complete obedience to your being, the complete emission of that love that you have received, that Divine Power you have received. Unless and until you achieve that state you should not be satisfied with your Self-realisation. Self-realisation is only complete when you yourself become the giver of light. You the guru, you the great stars: that’s my ambition. I know I expect [a lot] sometimes from my children. And I want them to understand that I want you to be really honoured in the Kingdom of God as great sons of your Mother. May God bless you. Left Side also, you know that, but keep it up. I do correct, by saying all these things. I do awaken Hanumana and Shri Rama within you, no doubt, I know that. But keep them awake, keep them alert. And you have to be alert and active, responsible and respectable. You have to realise that you are saints, saints of a very special quality. The saints who can give realisations to others! There have been not such saints, many, before, nor even today. There are saints who are realised-souls but they don’t know how to give realisation. They don’t know so much. You have so much of knowledge and everything, except the vehicle is poor, it cannot carry the bliss. And the cup has to be all right otherwise it cannot carry the beautiful fountain of love that is pouring down on this Earth. And that is how you must know that, within you this is awakened, keep it awakened, keep it going. Please close your eyes, [feet] straight on the ground. Put both the hands towards me like that. Thoughts are gone now, there are no thoughts. So even if you want to feel guilty you cannot. There’s nothing to feel guilty. It is to awaken yourself, within yourself, that fire of Spirit, that makes you express and emit. We have to move very fast. We have to achieve it very fast. There isn’t much time left for us. It’s easy to say that, “It’s rather difficult,” and all that. These things are not to be talked by us. This is meant for some dramas and things. It’s not for people who are chosen by God. Just lift your hands a little bit and you’ll feel it in the hand. Better now? Right side opening very much! Not to have any fright, nothing. You know your Mother can never be angry with you, never. But I have to awaken you. That I love you very much, that I want you to have your due: all the heralds and all the glory. Close your eyes now and let it flow, let it flow. See the responsibility of the Spirit is so great. Whatever may be your vehicle, once it is awakened it gives Realisation to others, it acts. Be responsible like that Spirit. If you become the Spirit you will be like that Spirit. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes. By rising your Right Side only you can really give balance to your Left Side: otherwise there is no way out. You just try to be responsible, you will be amazed. You just try to be responsible and you will be amazed, your all financial problems, all you problems, will be solved, because you are awakened! And you have a special power. You have to be just this power! The responsibility becomes a heavenly power within you. You get the power from you heart. Put your heart into it. Put your heart. Put all these things into your heart: “I have to do it from my heart! I have to be responsible from my heart. I have to be innately responsible.”

“The Right Side,” Caxton Hall, London (UK), 18 May 1981. I’ll talk to you about the Right Side, Right Side sympathetic nervous system, which is expressed by our subtle energy of Mahasaraswati, which gives us the power to act. By [the] Left Side we desire and by using the Right Side, the power of Pingala Nadi, we act. I was telling you about the Right Side the other day. Let us see how our Right Side is built up. I am sorry for people who have come for the first time but every time when I start the introduction to the subject, again it becomes the same but later on I’ll explain to you about Sahaj Yoga. Now this Right Side, Pingala Nadi, is a very, very important energy-giving energy which makes us act and activate. Now this one is made of all the five elements: you know all the five elements that have created our physical being and our mental being. That’s how it helps us to work out all our physical and mental problems, mental activities and mental and physical growth. Now this, being made by those five elements, when, first time, human beings started thinking of doing some action, about anything, say in India, they first thought, “Why not, somehow or other, reach to the principle of these elements, which is beyond physics, which is beyond chemistry?” And to reach to that point, they thought it would be better if we try to invoke or to awaken the Deities which are governing those five elements. This was a very big mistake though, I should say, because human beings, whatever they take up, they do not know where to stop! If you tell them that you have to clean your teeth every day, then they’ll go on cleaning it twelve times in twelve hours. [If] you tell them anything, they’ll go so far that they will destroy the instrument which is supposed to be looked out (after). That’s the nature of human beings: they cannot have brakes to themselves. They do not have common sense as far as balancing their life. So, anything you give them, they become so mad after it that, in Marathi, there’s a word that [means that] they ultimately put ashes on their head, to say to declare that, “I am dead now, I have become ashes.” Like that, they get so frantic that even while doing this awakening of these principles they forgot, lost their sight, that we are after our Spirit and not these elements. We are beyond that, we have to reach beyond that. All these elements are only useful for us to achieve a state in which we can create things and we can have more time to devote to meditation to enjoy our Self-realisation. They got completely blinded by the advances they made on this side which is, in pure and simple words, materialism. They became so responsible, so efficient. First in the Vedas, it’s written, the first stanza is such that, “By reading these Vedas if you do not know your Spirit then it is absolutely useless.” But this stanza they always close down I think. Then they started worshipping those Deities, this, that, exciting them and doing all ritualism and all that. And they just went into it headlong, absolutely headlong. They would not turn back. So by exciting these elements, they discovered the principles of these elements; for example, they discovered that gravity is the essence of the Mother Earth. But [actually] it is not. That is not the essence of the Mother Earth, that is the energy that is asserted by Her, but Her essence is Her fragrance. They could not cross that limit where they could see really the subtle thing which was [that] the subtle principle of this energy of gravity is the fragrance. All the fragrances come from Her. Of course man-made [fragrances] there are, that’s different, but even the man-made are also coming from Her, if you go, trace, source it up to the point, it is from there. Like that they went on discovering the subtler, so-called subtler, energies or the principles of these elements, from the Vedas time. Then it became the science. People started studying physics, chemistry, this, that: understanding what was there before them by going into it and trying to find out what is it made of. For example, they went into atoms, they went into molecules and things and they tried to find out. And there they find the oscillation of the protons and they find the oscillation of these atoms [and] they just can’t understand, “Now, from where this energy of this oscillation is coming?” They could not capture that energy so they thought, “Better use the energy.” So they started using the energy. Now it has gone to such a limit of the whole thing is, now I read, saw that, microchips or something coming up. After some time you won’t be using your hands or head or anything, it will be that microchips will be going on. But with this kind of a thing, with this extreme behaviour, you will become a machine yourself, a slave of the machine. Today the petrol is exhausted, tomorrow electricity is exhausted, then what are you going to do? You don’t know even to count two plus two! So you are left without any counting. You will become the same primitive man and I don’t know what you will be doing, climbing on the trees and living like monkeys? I don’t know what will happen. So all this advancement that you did has gone too far. But as a result of too much efficiency, too much responsibility and all that, you became sort of addicted to it and then, with that, you started dominating other people. The machinery came in; with that you produced such a lot of machinery stuff that you didn’t know what to do so you had to find out markets where you’ll sell them, so you started capturing other markets where you started selling them and that’s how all these economic problems and all these have started. There are developing countries, there are developed countries, all things going on in this mad world. All right! But we reach a point now where we realise that this machine has done something nonsensical within us. When we reach that point, we start thinking, “Now, what are we to do?” We have been very responsible, not you people but your forefathers maybe, who went to fight the whole world and do this and they had to be at right time at right places and do all sorts of things. By that over-responsibility you became fed up. You just didn’t know what to do. For example, morning you wear a grey suit, in the night you have to wear a tailcoat and then if you have to drink your wine, you have to take a separate glass; or for that, this. It became too much messy, [so] you said, “Throw them in the sea! We’re not going to have all this nonsense. We have collected all these forms and horrible things that have made us so rigid.” That’s how you tried to throw away everything but even then when you throw away, where do you go? I mean you have to exist, you cannot just hang in the air. So you said now take another style. And the another style is even worse, much worse. Because then: no responsibility, no respect, no understanding. So this power goes absolutely zero and you are tired very soon. I have seen, I mean in the BBC and all that, young people, and I am a very old woman compared to them, after saying two three words, “Haahh!” they go down. Again after saying something, “Haahh!” This is very big acting these days! In any play you see a person says, “Haahh!” What does it take to act for this kind of a thing? This is what is very common now, you notice it. The reason is you are tired, you are absolutely tired. Why? Because your brain is the same old brain and you have taken a new life, and you cannot adjust yourself to that. You say that, “Now I am sitting down, doing nothing. I am not going to be efficient anymore and all that, I’m sitting down,” [but] the brain is going, “chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk, chuk,” morning till evening. How to stop this brain? This brain is working so hard, using up all your energy [so] you have no strength. So to counteract you will say, “Let’s take to some sort of a thing by which we go out of this madness.” Let’s take to something that takes you [to], as we call it, the Right or the Left Side, take something like say hasheesh, or something — like another thing they took — LSD, to go to the right or to the left. Now what happens with that you know very well. Now, thank God, you have realised also that that was nonsensical also, that was no good. These are two areas within us which are called as Adi Bhautik and Adi Daivik. Now, the Adi Bhautik are the ones which take you to the Left Side is the subconscious. And the Adi Daivik are the ones where you try to invoke the devas and all that on the right hand side, that one is the Adi Daivik where we call it supra-conscious area. These two are of no use to human beings, actually. They are not meant for you. They are meant for people who are dead, who are dead souls, who are good for nothing. Now, they cannot get Realisation. It’s not meant for you. That’s the area you should not reside in. But you enter into these areas because of extreme natures. Some people by going into these drugs, some [by] taking to some sort of movements like mesmerism, spiritualism and all sorts of isms. Some people onto the right hand side like taking to what you call these people who are racialists and all such organisations which are racialist and this and that and you know all that kind of a people, like Hitlerish type. All this is nothing but is a kind of an intoxicant which makes you forget the reality that you are a human being, that you have to become the Spirit. That you are the Spirit is the reality. Now the present trend in the Western life is very much set in this country, about which I am very much concerned. I have talked about [this] to many people in person, and also otherwise, that the quality of mind — because we are with the English, let’s talk about the English — quality of mind of English is excellent, I have said it always. And the young people of England have a very good quality of mind, but their heart is like this. They are frightened of what? God alone knows, but they are frightened. Or they have taken this course? I don’t know. Now to do any work, also they are frightened. Supposing we put this colour then it may not match: [if] it doesn’t match it doesn’t matter. What does it matter? Because of those previous ideas they are so frightened of doing anything. Though they say they have broken all those ideas and they have taken to a new liberated ways and all that. But this liberation is also another madness in which their fear has not gone. So the quality of mind of we the English Sahaja Yogis and English people is excellent. If you talk to them you will think you are talking to a scholar; I mean no less than Shakespeare! They could be very well read. They will know about anything you ask them, “What is this road?” “This is the road!” “Now, what’s the name of this road?” “This is the gentleman.” Who was he, his grandfather, what he did, what was the gossip about him, scandals, everything! You can get everything from them. They know everything about everything. Sometimes I am amazed the way people know about things, about all the details as to how many women he had, and how many wives he divorced and what he did and where he went and what he wrote. Take anyone! Take a writer, or take an artist, take a hooligan, or take a robber or anyone who has appeared on the newspaper. As if they have drunk all the newspaper into their memory. The whole thing is so clear cut in their mind that it’s sometimes amazing. But if you tell them to fix one chair, never trust that chair! (laughter) Never trust it! If you ask them to do anything, they’ll tell you, “All right, tomorrow at 7 sharp, I’ll be there!” Even if he comes after seven days, thank your [lucky] stars! I have known people who have done this to me [and] now it’s four years, I have never seen their faces again. They are supposed to be XYZ from Oxford and ABCD from Cambridge. They have got first class first and this and that [but] if you go into their rooms, you will find it’s a pig sty! You don’t know where you have landed. I mean, you don’t believe that it belongs to any educated person! There’s no sense of responsibility left in their head. I mean this energy that is working in the head, if it is not put into a responsible channel, [then it’s] no wonder we find every third person is a paranoid: something wrong with the brain. What is wrong with the brain is that so much energy is here and you are not channelising it at all! By what ways are we to channelise it? Even after realisation, I find people have no respect for anything. Sometimes it’s most surprising that with all this brain activity going on, they get all the satisfaction from the Spirit, they are raising the Kundalini and all that, but they have lost that capacity to be responsible. And that’s why, in Sahaja Yoga also, they are not responsible. This goes on not only about their own private work but about Sahaja Yog, about everything. So this quality of mind has no heart. It has heart in nothing! Supposing I am telling you something: I don’t know about Sahaja Yogis as such, but now I have seen with people, [if] you give them a lecture for one year, one hour, it’s lost, finished! They are just the same! What has happened? It’s only the vibrations, it’s only how you work it out that the life changes and all that. But as far as they are concerned, nothing is recorded in the memory. Sometimes I feel how do I talk? Is it too much on their heads or below their feet? Where is it flowing? So the reason is that the heart is not there. If you register it through your heart, you will do it. If you put your heart into things, you will do it. The heart is, as I told you, is chicken-hearted, is absolutely chicken-hearted. And that’s why, this is what is lacking in our character. For that now the stage has reached [that] we have to raise our Right Side, not the Left Side. Our Right Side is absolutely finished and there the leader of the Right Side are two persons. The Deities are two persons. Of course Brahmadeva is the one who is The Creator, who has created this Universe and who is The One who is busy still creating and doing lots of things for you people. But I would suggest that you have to pay attention to two ideals we had in the history, for this, to understand what sort of ideals we should have. Because the Right Side is a Rajoguna is the one by which you become majestic, you become royal, you achieve all the Rajoguna as you know that. Now two persons are really to be followed in this. One of them is Shri Ram. Shri Ram resides on the Right Heart and is the Father. He is the Father and He is the fatherhood. He is the one who came on this Earth to teach us how to be a father as a king. He is a Father King, He is a Benevolent King, which was described by Plato. He is the Benevolent King. He was the ideal that came on this Earth to teach us how to be responsible to others, how to respect others, how to understand the feelings of others. To such an extent He went, that He had to sacrifice His own wife for the sake of His own state. He did that and He had to ask His wife who was pregnant to go and live with a very great sage. One may say that, “What was He doing about His wife?” She was the Goddess. She was so remarkable that He was not bothered about Her. He was so sure of Her powers that He did it. And there is nothing wrong in leaving things to the Goddess to do, instead of meddling with Her all the time. But this gentleman, Shri Rama, understood the responsibility of a king and that responsibility is lacking in us: that responsibility towards ourselves and towards others. It is very, very surprising. I mean I came from India. I had never met Englishmen at this close quarters till I came to England, I should say, because before that all we met was missionaries. All missionaries were terribly responsible for converting all the people into Christianity. They would get up early in the morning, take their Bible, go around to all the places, clean all the dirty lanes and clean all the children like Pickwick Papers, you see! Clean all the dirty people there, kiss them and do all the impressive things to convert the people. They would go even to the forest to convert them. They were so responsible about it and they felt they have to do it, this is God’s job, they are doing God’s job, they must convert. And they went on with this and that’s how, some of the people I met. Then the rulers were extremely responsible. They were ruthless and they thought this was the greatest thing they were doing, was to spread British Raj and that was their responsibility. When it comes to spreading God’s Raj we are not. First of all in our own life, we should see, “Are we responsible?” Now, in the modern time, I find that we have got rid of that sense of responsibility. It’s called as a sense of diminishing responsibility. We’ll just say, “Yes, yes, I know. I shouldn’t. I know, I know.” I can’t understand: if you have a heart, how can you say that “I know I should not have done it”? “I know I should have been here.” The reason is, there is no heart and the heart always catches when your Right Side over acts. That means your brain is acting too much and there is no real action, the output of it. You think too much and do not put it to practice. “I should have gone,” “I should have done this,” “I should have said so.” And this is the problem with our Right Side. Now, among our Sahaja Yogis also, I find people have the problem of the Right Side. To worship the Right Side, we have to see to Shri Ram: How He felt responsible for the whole world, how He used to look after people, how He looked after the things of other people, how He behaved towards other people. That’s a very important thing which we have to learn. But I find people coming, if it is somebody else’s, they’ll throw away. They will just jump into something and say that, “All right, this is my house I just settle down here the way I like.” There’s no sense of responsibility at all about it, that you have come to somebody else’s house, you have to have some care about it. In the same way you have to know you have come in the world of God, this is the Kingdom of God where you have entered. You have been a stranger. Today you are a guest in His house, what are you doing about it? How are you behaving? Are you responsible? Are you like Shri Rama who took upon Himself all the problems of the world and still He was so responsible? He would not do anything even this much to disturb a person. As far as possible He would like to try to console, and to have the formalities of good living. Formality is meant for good living and good understanding. Unless and until you have this sense of responsibility, your collectivity cannot be all right. You cannot be collectively all right. You need not be a machine for that. There is no need to be a machine, like Japanese — only one person says, the another doesn’t talk. But this one kind of a funny individualism that you have got will never give you that collectivity that is expected of Sahaj Yogis. We all have to be one, being responsible for each other. Not only for one or two persons, because he is my friend, he is my husband, she is my wife but for all of us. We have to be responsible for them, for their things, for their children, for their house, for everything. We have to be responsible. And if this sense of responsibility is lacking, how will you have responsibility for your Self-realisation? Only it can be a self-centred thing, thinking that, “I am very much better, my powers are better. I must have more powers.” But if you do not have this sense of responsibility why should God also give you powers? The main thing is, your Right Side is complete within you, that is the Surya Nadi, that is the nadi which is called as the nadi by which people hold their prana. So it gives you the pranashakti. It’s the pranashakti within you which is the vital force of energy within you, which is lacking. Now this lacking is added up by your heart. At least for a man like that whose pranashakti is exhausted. At least for such a man if the heart is there, he can really use that power which is accumulating in the head and exhausting him, like eating up his brain, if he has the heart in him. Now this is what I have told you last time that the Right Side of human beings is very important when it comes to Sahaj Yog. Because, when the Kundalini rises, your Right Side is also, Right Side is also awakened. Now the question is: why Sahaja Yoga does not spread in England so far? Is a very good question many people have asked me. While in Australia it’s spread so fast. The reason is the Right Side is missing. For the Right Side to be awakened first of all there should be some Right Side! If there is no Right Side, what do you awaken? If there is no light at all what are you going to awaken? There has to be a lamp to be awakened. So all these topics and talks that we have in the society, “I know! I know!” and then you ask them they just say, “I know!” “How are you?” Like that . All these accents and all that, one should give up. One should know that you have to be responsible: that’s a very, very important thing of life. I personally think, unless and until you feel that responsibility, that heart, into Sahaja Yoga, you will enjoy just my talk as you would just enjoy anything else. Real enjoyment comes when your Spirit really blows out the vibrations. You are taking my vibrations, all right, you are feeling them, but what about yours? Are you blowing your vibrations out or they are just taking your brain. Simple questions is, are you blowing any vibrations outside? We have some Sahaja Yogis when they just enter into a house immediately everyone feels it. Everyone can feel it that somebody has come. Immediately the whole thing cools down in no time. Somebody has come. There are some here also, not that there are none, but they are few people. You have to blow out vibrations otherwise you are just a liability to yourself. Why don’t you blow out vibrations? Because you don’t feel responsible. In your day to day life, morning till evening, you have to see that you develop this instrument of responsibility within you, otherwise the vibrations won’t flow because, the main reason is that, our nervous system comes to us through our Right Side. Our nervous system is built up by our Right Side. All the elements within us have built [it] up. If the elements are weakened, if the chakras which are made by these elements — as you know all these charkas are made by elements — if the pot is weak, nothing is going to work out. You should be able to hold that water of love or you can say the water of bliss and should be able to pour it out to others. Unless and until you are able to do that, Sahaja Yoga won’t spread. It will spread very slowly. This is the difference, I feel, between English and Australians, that the quality of mind is thousands times better than Australians. They are not scholars. I found very few people there who are even graduates. Here everybody is a PhD or maybe a ‘MAD’: but they are all very well educated. Despite all that, Sahaj Yoga does not spread out, why? The reason is the quality of mind is good but the action is extremely poor, because you are exhausted, tired, you are fighting in the mind. You are not doing anything by which you blow it out. The Right Side is what you call the Brahma’s, Brahmadeva’s, creation and the Brahma Shakti as they call it. This is the power of Brahma which is flowing through you. We’ll call it the power of the Spirit, it’s true. But the Spirit, the power of the Spirit, flows on your central nervous system. If there is the electricity all stored up here and there are very weak wires what can you do with all that stored up energy? The wires have to be improved and for this wire your Right Side has to be improved immensely. Every minute you have to be responsible, and this is what is lacking. Then I find when some people who are responsible, they feel extremely hurt and they feel that they should really shout and scream and should do something. They don’t know that these are really the saints, they are realised-souls. They are great people, no doubt, but their Right Side is weakened. But that is not a great thing to accept, it’s a very bad thing. But that doesn’t mean you should feel guilty — again, I am saying. Because very nice! This is the way you manage: is to feel guilty. Because feeling guilty is the best way, “I’m sorry, I’m sorry. I should have done it. I know, I know, I know!” — finished! Then how can you improve? If you have a pouch here filled up (of guilt in Left Vishuddhi) all the time with responsibility denied, all the junk you have created out of that, you are pushing into that pouch and then you say, “Yes, yes, I know, I should not have done it!” Now what can you do? As I Mother you can’t say, “You hang yourself by the nearest tree!” What do I do? But I just look at you flabbergasted, I said, “Really?” “Yes, I should have done but I haven’t done it.” For example, I should tell somebody you’d better cook for ten people, they are coming. And the person says, “No, I’m sorry, I forgot, I didn’t cook." You are doomed! You cannot hit him with the pan can you. What to do? That’s how you are at a standstill and you really don’t know how to eat them! The point is: in all this talking of Spirit and God, one has to know [that] the vehicle has to be better. The vehicle is so very poor that it cannot carry: otherwise you will emit vibrations like this. I know you can. Wherever you will stand you’ll attract people. People must gather round you! You will be amazed, I went to Australia for how many months? At the most a month or so, and I came back from there: already seven centres have started and every centre has got at least three hundred regular people coming! It is not to feel guilty: I am not saying [for that], but to awaken yourself, to arise to this point, to be elated with understanding that you have to rise up to that point and that you have to take up that position because you are the warriors of Truth. You are the people who are seekers, you have been for ages, and you have no business to be irresponsible and you have to do it. It is my earnest desire that you understand what I am saying. Just sitting, meditating, putting hands towards me or towards the photograph is not everything. You are still receiving. You are still at a receiving end. You have to be on the giving end. How will you do it? You get so many vibrations sometimes that you cannot feel after some time, it’s so filled, the pitcher is so much filled. But what about pouring it out? Why you cannot pour it out? The reason is that the vehicle within you, which is the Right Side, is the Pingala Nadi, is out of gear. And this is what one has to understand. That can be built up only when you know about Shri Rama’s life, the way He led His life. Every minute of His life was dynamic. Not a single minute He wasted in life. Every minute, whether He was in the forest or…He went to a place with His wife when He was in exile, and there — He knew His wife was a very shy lady and She would not take Her bath in the open — so there’s a rock which is completely honed out, such a big rock honed out, can you imagine? (a place called Sitanani near Rahuri) Inside, there is a water tap sort of a thing coming out, there’s a water coming out. So that there’s a stone here, stone here, stone there, and at the end of it there’s a opening so that there’s light coming from this side and light coming from this side. But inside [if] you go, nobody can see you. There are trees with which it is hidden. There are trees which are called as shikakai (used as hair shampoo) means that’s a kind of a soap giving trees, are created by Him for His wife. Anywhere He lived He created a new dimension, a new house, a new style of life. Of course He was an incarnation you can say. But He is your ideal and not those people who sit out for hours together drinking something and thinking they are great martyrs. I see all of them sitting near our church here and one of them was asked by someone who was passing by, “What are you doing?” “We killing ourselves!” Very proudly saying that! I mean I just don’t understand, what business have they got to kill themselves? How much time it has taken God to create them? And here they are sitting and proudly telling that, “We are killing ourselves!” This is the situation in which I suddenly find myself. So I ask you what should I do? How should I do? You have to feel responsible in every way of life. But you do not think that there is anything wrong if you are a hanky-panky person. If your feathers are falling everywhere [you think] it’s all right! To you it does not matter but to the Divine it does. That means a person cannot convey the message of God, cannot communicate the bliss of God, cannot pour that love. We have to become very responsible in every day life, I am not saying that [only] in Sahaja Yoga, but in every day life, how you live, what you do. Are you only worried about yourself or you are worried about others? Are you responsible for others? I mean the modern style is not even to wish good morning — is regarded bad manners. You see, it is bad manners even to open door to someone, is bad manners, they think it is slavish. I mean, all manners and all those things, all responsibility, seems to be [regarded as] slavish. And this kind of these modern ideas that are floating in the air, you should throw them away! And you have to be human beings of a very great quality. You have to be people who have created new worlds. You are going to create that, I know. You have to just rise up to that point and not to sink into your guilts and say, “Oh God, what we have been doing?” No! Awaken and arise and get it what you have to do. That’s what I feel about England. England is so great and it’s the heart, it’s the heart. And look at the condition of the heart! Your heart is so weak, and there’s no heart into anything. All right, you love me and I love you, but what about you loving others? And loving other things? Loving doesn’t mean writing love letters. Doing something about it! And that’s what, the doing something is missing and lacking. And that’s what we have to build up our Right Side properly, into proper shape. If we have to really do the cooking we have to know how to light the fire within us and not to sit down and worry how to do it. It is a very great thing to come to England for me, really, for one reason that this is the place where Sahaj Yoga is going to work out. It is going to circulate in the whole world, I know, through you people. But if you do not improve the communication wires of yours it will become completely stagnate, and the responsibility of this stagnation will be on you the Sahaja Yogis of London, because you did not put your life together, that’s why it did not work out. It’s a tremendous responsibility. Of course, to be responsible is wrong for wrong things but not to be responsible for Divine work, when God has blessed you with Self-realisation, is absolutely against God, against your Self, against Sahaj Yoga. The other personality which I was talking about is Shri Hanumana. Shri Hanumana is such a great powerful personality about whom I did not tell you. That, I mean, Rama once, you see, His brother was hit by an arrow. And Rama told Hanumana, that, “Why don’t you go and get a particular type of a medicine for him and you get it on a particular mountain, so you go and get that particular thing.” So he had a power, he had nine powers, navadha shaktis he had, nine powers: by which he could become small, he could become big and He could lift anything. He had lots of powers like that, so nine powers: anima, laghuma, garima, like that. He could become so heavy that nobody could lift him (garima). I mean these are the powers he’s got of the right hand side. And so he went down to that mountain and he couldn’t see that anywhere, he just couldn’t see. He said, “Why not take the whole mountain?” He took the whole mountain on himself and he brought it to Rama and he said, “Now you select whichever you like!” He could have come back and said, “Oh, I can’t find! I am sorry, I know, I have been useless!” (laughter) If he was an Englishman! But he said, “All right, if you want!” He brought the whole mountain, “Now come along have it!” In every way of his life, you see his sense of responsibility and how He carries on. For example, he was sent to Ravana and he was asked by Ravana, he told him that, “You cannot stay in this place, why did you come here?” Actually, first he went to Sita and told Her that, “Shri Rama had sent me,” and he showed the ring, and She recognised that was the ring of Her husband. And he said, “Mother if you want, I can take you on my back.” But She said, “No. Already I am a woman who has come with another man. I don’t want to have another bad name and you’ll have a bad name, so I will not come. So it’s all right. You can go back and tell Rama that I am all right. ‘You as a husband, come and fight this man. Otherwise I’m not going to come with you.’ ” So then he was caught up and taken to Ravana. Now Ravana said that, “You are a monkey and what have you come to do it?” He said that, “You’d better release His wife of Shri Rama and He is such and such.” So He said that, “You monkey, you are telling me these things?” “All right,” they said, “burn his tail.” He said, “If they burn my tail, I know how to use!” He knows how the responsibility of the tail is! He started burning the whole of Lanka with his tail and he could have said that, “All right he’s burnt my thing, I’d better run away! Why to do such a thing? You know, better avoid, get out, so forget it! I’m not going to go to Rama, he’s burnt my thing, tomorrow he will do something else.” [Instead] he burnt the whole of Lanka, the whole of it he burnt till Ravana had to say, that, “Please forgive and go away.” He did all kinds of tricks to show that he was really powerful. His so many ways of his sense of responsibility and his dedication and love is expressed. But, they say that, even if you take once his name, whatever work you want to do, it can be done. Any work that you want to be finished will be done. And his day is a Tuesday. On Tuesday, if you request him for anything, he will help you to do the work. But it’s not like this that you sit down, “Now come along Hanumana, will you please do this job?” (laughter) But if you are doing the job, then he comes to help you. Means that he activates, he activates and he makes your energy flow into that direction that your work is done. He’s so helpful in so many ways that you can’t imagine. Our so many Sahaja Yogis have tried it with them. And he has created such miracles. Specially the Australians, somehow they have such a feeling for him, I know the reason, but they have such a feeling for him that every time, anything happening, they tell Hanumana, “Hanumana, now please look after us!” And they have told me that such miraculous things have happened since they have been using Shri Hanumana. But you must have the vehicle to carry this Hanumana! He’s a very subtle Deity within you and if you are irresponsible, he hates such people, he hates, he just can’t bear it. He thinks they are absolutely useless people! He doesn’t pay attention to such people, those who are not responsible. They may give any excuses, they may show off, they may do anything, [but] he just doesn’t care for such people. He has no love, no respect, no attention for the people who are not responsible. There’s a very nice English saying, “God helps those who help themselves.” English language has so many beautiful things in it, all its nursery rhymes and everything. I wish people would not just utter those sayings but do it. They listen to me but they don’t do it. Now you have heard me today you should see how much responsible you are. Now we had our first ashram and if there are others, please excuse me, because it’s an open thing and we have to talk about it. And I was surprised that in our first ashram, when I went there, I was amazed! I mean, young people living like pigs! I couldn’t understand. I mean, they are not hippies, they are not taking any smokes, drinks, or anything. They are so irresponsible! They go to the bathroom, they come out as if a bull in a china shop has entered! And they really live like that, I was amazed! How could they? And they were all graduates, MADs, PhDs, and everything. I was wondering, “What has happened to these people?” Slowly, slowly they improved. But this lot went away then a new lot came in and a new lot came in. And it’s so surprising that once they become responsible and good, somehow or other Hanumana takes them out, and they just get out of it. Now, I have to tell you to determine today, to decide, that every moment and movement of your life you are going to feel responsible as Hanumana does. Any work you tell Him: about Him it is said, “Har kaarje karne ko, tat par.” Means for doing any work, he is just ready! He’s just ready! You tell him anything, he’s just ready to do it. It is his quality that you should have. And that quality is so much lacking today in England. All your strikes, all your problems can be solved. First time when I came, I was surprised, I asked somebody, “Are you working?” He said, “No, I am successfully unemployed!” (laughter) I said, “Really? You are successfully unemployed so how do you eat?” “Oh, we get our doles.” “Oh really?” “We have securities.” What a security, it is nonsense, you are parasite! There is no self-respect. Leave alone the respect of others, there’s no self-respect. I was amazed! Then I told them, “All of you have to take to work. Anybody who takes to doles is not going to stay in the ashram.” I wish your government can take some note of it! That we have to create responsible citizens. In England itself, we have to show that by Sahaj Yoga you have turned the tables, you have got smart people now, efficient, responsible. This is what we have to show. Once you show this to others, people will be amazed at it! With other’s money [it’s] the same thing. If you can get hold of somebody else’s money that’s the best thing! It’s a very common feature. First time the Sahaja Yogis went to India they came back here, they never wrote a letter back, thanking them. And I was amazed. For six months, I said, “What are you doing?” “I know we should have written. I know we should have written.” “Then why? Why didn’t you write?” No responsibility! What is this, I could not understand. Gradually they developed and developed and developed. Now they feel. But those who have started feeling are the matured Sahaja Yogis I should say. But others who are coming it must know that you have to have a sense of responsibility. Sometimes people who are realised have a feeling, “Oh, now we are realised! Now, nothing! Settle down, have the bliss of Mother. Sit down and enjoy it,” Nothing doing! It will stop! You have to be able to give this to others, you should emit. If you cannot emit those vibrations yourself…If you are enlightened, you should be able to give light to others. You can raise the Kundalini, all right, but what about your own personality which is so irresponsible? Which is nowhere near Hanumana’s. This Hanumana style of complete obedience to your being, the complete emission of that love that you have received, that Divine Power you have received. Unless and until you achieve that state you should not be satisfied with your Self-realisation. Self-realisation is only complete when you yourself become the giver of light. You the guru, you the great stars: that’s my ambition. I know I expect [a lot] sometimes from my children. And I want them to understand that I want you to be really honoured in the Kingdom of God as great sons of your Mother. May God bless you. Left Side also, you know that, but keep it up. I do correct, by saying all these things. I do awaken Hanumana and Shri Rama within you, no doubt, I know that. But keep them awake, keep them alert. And you have to be alert and active, responsible and respectable. You have to realise that you are saints, saints of a very special quality. The saints who can give realisations to others! There have been not such saints, many, before, nor even today. There are saints who are realised-souls but they don’t know how to give realisation. They don’t know so much. You have so much of knowledge and everything, except the vehicle is poor, it cannot carry the bliss. And the cup has to be all right otherwise it cannot carry the beautiful fountain of love that is pouring down on this Earth. And that is how you must know that, within you this is awakened, keep it awakened, keep it going. Please close your eyes, [feet] straight on the ground. Put both the hands towards me like that. Thoughts are gone now, there are no thoughts. So even if you want to feel guilty you cannot. There’s nothing to feel guilty. It is to awaken yourself, within yourself, that fire of Spirit, that makes you express and emit. We have to move very fast. We have to achieve it very fast. There isn’t much time left for us. It’s easy to say that, “It’s rather difficult,” and all that. These things are not to be talked by us. This is meant for some dramas and things. It’s not for people who are chosen by God. Just lift your hands a little bit and you’ll feel it in the hand. Better now? Right side opening very much! Not to have any fright, nothing. You know your Mother can never be angry with you, never. But I have to awaken you. That I love you very much, that I want you to have your due: all the heralds and all the glory. Close your eyes now and let it flow, let it flow. See the responsibility of the Spirit is so great. Whatever may be your vehicle, once it is awakened it gives Realisation to others, it acts. Be responsible like that Spirit. If you become the Spirit you will be like that Spirit. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes. By rising your Right Side only you can really give balance to your Left Side: otherwise there is no way out. You just try to be responsible, you will be amazed. You just try to be responsible and you will be amazed, your all financial problems, all you problems, will be solved, because you are awakened! And you have a special power. You have to be just this power! The responsibility becomes a heavenly power within you. You get the power from you heart. Put your heart into it. Put your heart. Put all these things into your heart: “I have to do it from my heart! I have to be responsible from my heart. I have to be innately responsible.”

5/20/1981

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Public Program at Selfridges (department store, organized by a yogini who worked there). London (UK), 20 May 1981. The scriptures they have talked about our second birth, that you have to be born again. And it is a vague talk one doesn't know what's that mean, to be born again. For example Christians say you should be baptized. And Hindus say you have to be twice born. Muslims say you have to become a [pink / PIR ?] but nobody knows what is that mean, at least they haven't been able to explain it very clearly. But if it is written in all these scriptures either they were all wrong or false or there is some truth about it. If there is some truth, it has to be revealed sometime. Now the time has come that the truth has to be revealed. And it's such a precarious time that if the truth is not revealed we are out for a complete destruction of this universe. If the humanity has to be saved, if this creation has to be saved then God Himself has to do something about it. Because He would not like His creation to be destroyed. And the most beautiful thing that God has created is the human beings, perhaps you won't believe it, and you think it is not true because our experience may not tell us that but it is the fact. It is the most delicate, most sensitive and the most alert being created by God. And if the human beings are destroyed this creation has no meaning. First of all the human beings must find out their own meanings. They don't know what's their meaning. Why are you here? Why did they become human beings from amoeba to this stage? What was the need for God or any natural forces or whatever you may call it, what was the need to make human beings? And because we are not been able to find out our meanings all the problems exist, problems of stress, strain, tensions, then quarrels and then fights and wars and everything are because we haven't been able to find out our meanings. Now as a scientific approach one has to keep your mind absolutely open about it. In the science also when a person is told about something it is just a projection of a hypothesis they put it before you and then they try to prove it, by proving it they make it a law. In the same way we have to see now whether what I say is truth or not and then it is to be proved and if it is proved then one has to believe Me that these are the Divine laws. That's how we keep ourselves completely open to it. Now he must have explained it to you about what we are talking about. This is the hypothesis. To start it lies within is this power called as Kundalini in Sanskrit language. Why in Sanskrit language because India being an ancient country it is not separated from the world it is one part of your world, this is yours and that's the part of it so nothing that it is said in India so it is something foreign to you. For God nothing is like foreign. He only made one world, only we are like that thinking that some countries different that is different. In that country people meditated because they did not have to fight the nature so much like we have to fight it here. Just before coming I had to wear a coat, cover Myself properly because I've taken a bath and My husband would say, "Oh! No you can't go just like that, you have to cover up yourself very well. It is very cold." This and that but India is a warm country. You can live under a tree, no problems. And they had lots of support from the nature as such because there was no problem from the nature so these people had much more time and much more - I should to say energy left in them to seek within themselves. And they started seeing within themselves, "Why are we here?" This question started coming to their brains - much before here people thinking about it. And maybe that here also I have a feeling that we had lots of people who thought of it because I see the places Stonehenge and all that, I am sure there exist civilization that people thought of it but the whole discovery was lost. Now this Kundalini is the force that resides in the triangular bone. Now when you try to raise the Kundalini, everybody cannot raise it. Like only an enlightened light can enlighten another light. You see a light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten so if somebody who knows the job tries to raise the Kundalini in so many people you will see the pulsation of this Kundalini with your actual eyes. Now this you cannot do. You can do all sorts of things, there are somebody will say that, "If you do this then you will start jumping on your own." Jumping on your own is not God's work. We can do it yourself with our mind. But something we cannot do it with our mind is, the raising of the Kundalini. You see it's rising, you see it's waiting there and you can feel the cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area which is the real union, baptism. Now this real baptism takes place because it is a living process, living process of evolution. So you are created as human beings, a complete machinery, a complete mechanism and then you are put to the mains. And that's how you know your meaning and your working. This has to happen. If it does not happen how are we to know what are we connected with. There are people who give theories that you are a part and parcel of the whole but how are we to know? Unless and until we are connected to the whole and this happening has to take place. That's the time, today is the time it has to happen, that's why it's happening, thousands of people now all over the world. I was surprised in Australia, I mean, we had people about six to seven hundred in a hall and all of them got their Realization. All of them felt the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost as described in the Bible as well, in all the books it is described that you get the cool breeze as the indication, that's called as Rooh in, say, in Koran it is called [as a Rooh ?] as the Divine power. This you cannot do, you cannot do this by your mental activities or anything, you cannot do it, it's just something beyond your mental activities comes from Divine that's within you, that's the Spirit that resides in your heart. This Kundalini rising has been described in all books and later on so many people, Germans and all these people went to India and they have written very big books about Kundalini but without seeing yourself, without getting the experience yourself, if you start writing something about it, it could be something very funny. For example, now I've been to Selfridges before also many a times. I came here in 1965 to begin with and when people told me about Selfridges I had very different ideas till I came here and saw the place Myself. In the same way unless and until you have the experience yourself whatever people talk is talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and this talking is not going to help us. You have to be there. You have to experience it and you have to get it. Unless and until you get this experience you cannot know what is it like, what it means, what is to be Self Realized. Now what I said is that it is not talk, you cannot pay for it. You cannot pay for God, that's one thing that way everywhere they take money. I mean there is no place where they do not sell God, I am yet to come across were people do not take money but really you cannot pay for God. God doesn't understand money. He doesn't understand. It is all your own doing, money this business and all that, it's your own. For God, love is everything. He loves you. That's why He has created you. He loves you that's why He wants you to have Realization and to achieve that consciousness by which that you know Him, that personality by which you flow His powers through you that you are empowered to feel His power flowing through you. So you cannot put in any effort either because what effort can you put in for a living thing? For example, there is a seed, the seed has to grow. It grows spontaneously. You cannot make it grow. You cannot - stand on your head and say now the seed has to grow, as soon as you put the seed in the Mother Earth She just sprouts the seed. It's all built in it. In the same way the whole thing is built in us and the whole thing is like this in a subtle way within us built. Now these subtle centers give rise to the gross sub plexuses within us which work out all the physical side and also mental side. When the whole thing take place, automatically as a by product you will feel better physically, mentally, emotionally. Now for the last ten years I have been telling people that cancer only can be cured through Kundalini awakening. There is no way out. But people have believed it. Those doctors who come to Me who got cured and who talk about it that we got cancer, we got cured, they say, "Oh, he's gone mad, how can it be because it is a very [machinery ?] thing." You can't think that you can't be cured by not taking money. I know doctors would accept the situation where he does not take any money for curing people. It is very funny attitude of people that they want to make money out of all these gracious things that God has given us but you cannot sell this Divine love and when this curity takes place people are amazed how this happened. Mentally you feel absolutely relaxed. There are many people who are suffering from mental troubles in the Western countries especially because of the stress and strain of the family life in the society. In India we have problems more of physical. Here we have problems are more mental and these mental problems can be solved if the Kundalini could be awakened. We have got people with us, if you can come any time to Caxton Hall you can meet them who have been cured of their epileptic trouble with Kundalini awakening, even they - the door keeper of the Caxton Hall was suffering from epilepsy. He got completely cured. But it is not for curing you should come. You should come for getting your own power, power of your Spirit which resides within you because it is your own, only thing what I do is just enlighten you because I am an enlightened light and when you are enlighten you can enlighten other people. Like a, say, we can say a candle has everything in it. Only thing another candle just goes near there, which is enlightened enlightens. So there is no obligation, there is no any gratitude about it. It is just a very simple method by which it works out. Everything that is vital, everything that is important has to be, has to be absolutely simple because, supposing we have to pay for our breathing half of us would have finished in a second or we had to make any effort, we cannot read about it either. I mean if you read something or talking to you something, it is not the way you can get it. It is the way it happens. It's a happening. It has to happen. You have to become. It is not just a brain washing that I give you a brain washing, all right. It is not that. It's the happening, it should take place, the sprouting has to take place. Once it takes place you know you have got it. But after getting is the main problem. Once the thing sprouts, it's like a small little seedling, just now Don told Me there are five, six girls got their Realization here, the sort of you see they go up and down and they got lost. But I have seen some great seekers in this country, very great seekers who have come to Me, got their Realization, they settle down. They have mastered, they have mastered completely the art of raising the Kundalini and giving Realization and this is not their profession or nothing, they have to earn their living as you are earning but this is something God's gift by which you become that consciousness by which you feel others. It is a collective consciousness that you can feel of other people, sitting down here you can feel what's wrong with her, what is the center that's wrong. We don't bother what dress you are wearing, how you look like or how you talk, of from what race you come, what country you come, nothing matters. What matters is where are your centers, where is the problem, in what center. Supposing there is insecurity in this region you feel insecure then there is one center, that one, the blue one that you see there, that is in danger. If this center is goes into a greater danger of insecurity, such woman can develop breast cancer. The center that is down below you see there is the center that is - responsible for our evolution, also this center is very important if a person is fanatic. Now you won't believe that the fanaticism gives cancer, you will be surprised. If you are a fanatic ( a bell or lift bell sounds here) about something you may develop a very serious type of cancer, it can be only cured if you accept that all the religions are the same and the people who were born in those religions are all related to each other, we are only fighting, while they are all related, they all help each other, they are all connected to each other and you can find out their integration completely within us. Then no conflict because it is such an absolute knowledge that even a child, say about five year child or two years old child who is a born realized, there are many now in England I have seen so many children are born realized. They all say the same because you feel them on your fingers and if you ask them now what is the finger catching they will immediately say this one or this one, this means that center, all of them will say the same thing, they can feel it, they sort of a burning sometimes or sometimes you feel a little [ chart ?] in there or sometime you might even feel a little tingling. And the children know which finger is catching and they say these are decoded and you can verify it. Like somebody talk to Me on the phone the other day I said, "You have very bad liver. What is the matter with you?" He said, "How do You know?" I said, "I know because I am catching on the centers which give you the liver problem." So I said, "I know that." He said, "Yes, I am suffering I really telephone for that only to you." I said, "All right." Then now I told him what is to be done about it. All these things can be overcome; you can enjoy very good health apart from that all your habits. Habits come to us because we get bored. You see all habits are there because we are bored of life. We don't know what to do with ourselves. We have too much time. So once you find yourself all your habits stop automatically. I mean, we had people first time six people who came to Me, out of them four of them were hippies and they were indulging into a very serious type of drugging and next day they gave up, just next day after getting Realization they just left it. They don't want it anymore. Because they started enjoying themselves, very miraculous, I know of another gentleman who used to smoke cigars and cigarettes, and he is about 80 year age at least, must be about 80, now he is about 83 years, must be about 80 years of age and he told Me that over night he gave up, over night, next day he gave up. And he said, "I just forgot what. I just forgot that I have to smoke." Now we have French, also from Algeria, and there is we have French from all over the world. Now whether you are Hindus or Muslims or Christians or Russians or anything this can happen to all of us and once it happens we know that we become part and parcel of one God. We are all children of one God and we have to understand, unless and until we understand this we are not going to be happy. We are not going to live happily. And there are going to be problems and problems. The world is under shock now and they think that tremendous things can happen to us or horrible things can happen to us and they are very precariously placed now. But God is alert, nothing can wrong. He is there to help us and I'm sure one day will come when so many of you will be Realized souls. I mean this is the last chance I should say because this is the last judgement. The last judgement has started. Now how God is going to judge us? Let's see, is He going to put us into any measuring weighing machines? He is going to only judge us by raising our Kundalini, [ years it has started years full time ? ] correct yourself to be all right. You will be all right and once you are all right, once your are place in such a situation you start enjoying yourself. Now it is nice to see young people from Reading, especially from Reading I am surprised. Young people have very good quality of mind and that they do feel we have to do something about it and we gone too much head along with this mechanism and this and that whether it give us joy or not. But any extremes are not good but by telling anyone is not going to work out. One has to work it in such way that they find the meaning of their life. And they automatically they start enjoying. They start enjoying themselves because you are nothing but your Spirit and the Spirit is the most beautiful thing. It is the most beautiful thing and once you have that state, a glimpse of that then you start enjoying yourself. You don't want anything else but enjoy yourself and then you develop that respect about the glory that you are! But it has to be executed, it has to be manifested and it has to be retained and it has to be established. If it happens I have seen people getting it and they are such beautiful people. So beautiful that you can't believe it that the same people who were just standing on the streets and misbehaving and such destructive things have become beautiful souls. And such joy to their parents and to all. May God bless you! And now if you have questions ask Me. It is a very, very vast subject and I must have spoken, I don't know how many, hundred of times in London, it. Ah, apart from abroad and I would like you to ask Me questions. It is remarkable that to give a lecture like this I should come to a store, that I was saying that it's a store. It must be unique for Me to come to a store. I am very happy because I have respect for this store and a very well known store for a long time and the first store I visited when I came to England was Selfridges. I have a feeling for it. I am very happy that I can come here and talk to you people. I would like to have some questions from you. Aside: "Can you give Me some water?" Question: Raja Yog and meditation is it same or no...........? Shri Mataji: I'll tell you Raja Yog people are preaching about is something very outside it is that you do like this and I mean there are Bandas and all that they use, have you done any studies in Raja Yog? No, then I would say that you see, they would talk of creating a situation, for example, Raja Yog can be very dangerous because they cut the tongue down just like that put it back into the throat and they say this called as [Kichari ?]. I mean like putting your tongue back into your throat, if you can get caught, I just can't understand, how can people accept it. People have accepted it and I've seen those people doing Raja Yog with their tongues back. In America there are so many like mad people, I mean one must understand that these things cannot give you God. You see this is how in modern days they have started all sorts of things. They say, "We will teach you to fly." Now you want to become birds? Why do you want to fly, I just don't understand. I mean, it's absurd, to fly also that's another thing this Hatha Yoga people talk of . Now Hatha Yoga was actually originally practised in, I should say thousands of years back when Patanjali was there. When the system, the whole social system was different, where the children were sent to school. Some children were selected who were seeking God and they were given instruction and these so called the Hatha Yoga that we do these days is exercise, just a wee bit of it. But we also do exercises, we teach people some exercises but depending on what center is catching. For example, we are suffering from this center, now if you start doing all the exercises, how will you cure this center? Isn't? You have to know this center you are catching which is the problem. Unless and until your Kundalini is opened out, unless and until She is awakened you will not know what center you are catching. Now doing all these exercises means that you are taking all the medicines at the same time without knowing what's the problem is so it is absurd some of things has come out of Hatha Yoga. Actually in real Hatha Yoga the first thing was called as Ishwarapranithar means first of all the discovery of God, or you can call it establishment of God, means Realization. The first is Realization and then other things were there and a very little was there with that kind of language celibacy is most important thing. Now that's over. Let's see the modern times are there. We have to have something as you have got we can say, everything is a [mystery? Very discreet ?]. We have to have something that should work out en-masse Realization so many must get it, otherwise nobody is going to believe Me or believe any one of them. Supposing if I was born on the 10th floor I am telling people I see that and I see this, they say, "You're mad, we don't see that." So let's some people come up to see, all right. So this is what Sahaja Yoga is. Sahaja Yoga the difference between other, these so-called yogas, I called them so-called because there is no yoga, yoga means union, where is the union, first they do cleansing they say you must to cleanse your mind, you can do this but you cannot. You cannot do because supposing you try to cleanse your mind you do it through your mind. You have to get out of it you see and when you do cleanse your mind you develop an ego. How do you cleanse, you cannot, so you have to get out of it. First you must get your Realization. Once you get your Realization they you start seeing it yourself because you can feel it and you don't like it. When you don't have eyes how do you clean yourself? You must get your eyes then you see and then you can cleanse it, isn't it? That's why it's called Sahaja, Sahaja means born with you, it's spontaneous, it's living, it's a living process. I am talking of living God and not of something that's dead. It is what Kabira has talked about, this is what Christ has talked about, this is what Mohammed has talked, that's what Sahaja. Question: What is the proper time for meditation, early morning or evening time? Shri Mataji: Once you get your Realization, you are in meditation. You see, you have to be in meditation. For example, I am in meditation in the sense that for Me, it's peace inside, I have no problem. I am talking to you and I am doing everything, but inside is the peace established. You are in meditation. There is no time to be taken out or anything but your awareness becomes different. You don't have to sit down and say, "Now I must do meditation (a bell & announcement in the store)". Of course, we have certain things we can do. Supposing you now meet someone and he tries to sort of say something or you don't like it or something you feel disturbed or upset. Because of Kundalini awakening, we know how to clear out ourselves, you see, through water element, through- we have methods how to clear out and that's how you can spend some time within. But there is no need to sit down for hours for meditation. You are a different person altogether. You become the Spirit. So the time is not needed as it is, but you become a different person. You see, like an egg becomes a bird, then you just enjoy, with all the drama finished. First, you see, you are involved in the drama, but then you see the drama going on. There is not fixed time, nothing, you see, they are all the time flowering, even when you are in the shops you are enjoying. You are enjoying every part of it. Actually, every moment is filled with enjoyment. But we have lost, I should say, the sensitivity or we have to deal with that sensitivity or we can say that it has to happen to you. Once it opens out, you would like it, the entire attitude to life changes. This is how you become a saint. Actually, you become saint but you live in this world. You don't have to run away. If you are a saint, you should be the most noble person, isn't it? A saintly person should never run away, I mean if he runs away from the society, that means he is not a saint. He is an escapee, escapist, I should say, he escapes from life. If there is beauty in life, why should he runs away from it? You are just not there, enjoy and make others enjoy. Any question from you? Question: I think we all want to know how to get there quick. Shri Mataji: Ah, that's like a Puja. This is great. Let's have it. Just put your hands like this... [Shri Mataji is giving Realization and continues with working on people]

Public Program at Selfridges (department store, organized by a yogini who worked there). London (UK), 20 May 1981. The scriptures they have talked about our second birth, that you have to be born again. And it is a vague talk one doesn't know what's that mean, to be born again. For example Christians say you should be baptized. And Hindus say you have to be twice born. Muslims say you have to become a [pink / PIR ?] but nobody knows what is that mean, at least they haven't been able to explain it very clearly. But if it is written in all these scriptures either they were all wrong or false or there is some truth about it. If there is some truth, it has to be revealed sometime. Now the time has come that the truth has to be revealed. And it's such a precarious time that if the truth is not revealed we are out for a complete destruction of this universe. If the humanity has to be saved, if this creation has to be saved then God Himself has to do something about it. Because He would not like His creation to be destroyed. And the most beautiful thing that God has created is the human beings, perhaps you won't believe it, and you think it is not true because our experience may not tell us that but it is the fact. It is the most delicate, most sensitive and the most alert being created by God. And if the human beings are destroyed this creation has no meaning. First of all the human beings must find out their own meanings. They don't know what's their meaning. Why are you here? Why did they become human beings from amoeba to this stage? What was the need for God or any natural forces or whatever you may call it, what was the need to make human beings? And because we are not been able to find out our meanings all the problems exist, problems of stress, strain, tensions, then quarrels and then fights and wars and everything are because we haven't been able to find out our meanings. Now as a scientific approach one has to keep your mind absolutely open about it. In the science also when a person is told about something it is just a projection of a hypothesis they put it before you and then they try to prove it, by proving it they make it a law. In the same way we have to see now whether what I say is truth or not and then it is to be proved and if it is proved then one has to believe Me that these are the Divine laws. That's how we keep ourselves completely open to it. Now he must have explained it to you about what we are talking about. This is the hypothesis. To start it lies within is this power called as Kundalini in Sanskrit language. Why in Sanskrit language because India being an ancient country it is not separated from the world it is one part of your world, this is yours and that's the part of it so nothing that it is said in India so it is something foreign to you. For God nothing is like foreign. He only made one world, only we are like that thinking that some countries different that is different. In that country people meditated because they did not have to fight the nature so much like we have to fight it here. Just before coming I had to wear a coat, cover Myself properly because I've taken a bath and My husband would say, "Oh! No you can't go just like that, you have to cover up yourself very well. It is very cold." This and that but India is a warm country. You can live under a tree, no problems. And they had lots of support from the nature as such because there was no problem from the nature so these people had much more time and much more - I should to say energy left in them to seek within themselves. And they started seeing within themselves, "Why are we here?" This question started coming to their brains - much before here people thinking about it. And maybe that here also I have a feeling that we had lots of people who thought of it because I see the places Stonehenge and all that, I am sure there exist civilization that people thought of it but the whole discovery was lost. Now this Kundalini is the force that resides in the triangular bone. Now when you try to raise the Kundalini, everybody cannot raise it. Like only an enlightened light can enlighten another light. You see a light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten so if somebody who knows the job tries to raise the Kundalini in so many people you will see the pulsation of this Kundalini with your actual eyes. Now this you cannot do. You can do all sorts of things, there are somebody will say that, "If you do this then you will start jumping on your own." Jumping on your own is not God's work. We can do it yourself with our mind. But something we cannot do it with our mind is, the raising of the Kundalini. You see it's rising, you see it's waiting there and you can feel the cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area which is the real union, baptism. Now this real baptism takes place because it is a living process, living process of evolution. So you are created as human beings, a complete machinery, a complete mechanism and then you are put to the mains. And that's how you know your meaning and your working. This has to happen. If it does not happen how are we to know what are we connected with. There are people who give theories that you are a part and parcel of the whole but how are we to know? Unless and until we are connected to the whole and this happening has to take place. That's the time, today is the time it has to happen, that's why it's happening, thousands of people now all over the world. I was surprised in Australia, I mean, we had people about six to seven hundred in a hall and all of them got their Realization. All of them felt the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost as described in the Bible as well, in all the books it is described that you get the cool breeze as the indication, that's called as Rooh in, say, in Koran it is called [as a Rooh ?] as the Divine power. This you cannot do, you cannot do this by your mental activities or anything, you cannot do it, it's just something beyond your mental activities comes from Divine that's within you, that's the Spirit that resides in your heart. This Kundalini rising has been described in all books and later on so many people, Germans and all these people went to India and they have written very big books about Kundalini but without seeing yourself, without getting the experience yourself, if you start writing something about it, it could be something very funny. For example, now I've been to Selfridges before also many a times. I came here in 1965 to begin with and when people told me about Selfridges I had very different ideas till I came here and saw the place Myself. In the same way unless and until you have the experience yourself whatever people talk is talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and this talking is not going to help us. You have to be there. You have to experience it and you have to get it. Unless and until you get this experience you cannot know what is it like, what it means, what is to be Self Realized. Now what I said is that it is not talk, you cannot pay for it. You cannot pay for God, that's one thing that way everywhere they take money. I mean there is no place where they do not sell God, I am yet to come across were people do not take money but really you cannot pay for God. God doesn't understand money. He doesn't understand. It is all your own doing, money this business and all that, it's your own. For God, love is everything. He loves you. That's why He has created you. He loves you that's why He wants you to have Realization and to achieve that consciousness by which that you know Him, that personality by which you flow His powers through you that you are empowered to feel His power flowing through you. So you cannot put in any effort either because what effort can you put in for a living thing? For example, there is a seed, the seed has to grow. It grows spontaneously. You cannot make it grow. You cannot - stand on your head and say now the seed has to grow, as soon as you put the seed in the Mother Earth She just sprouts the seed. It's all built in it. In the same way the whole thing is built in us and the whole thing is like this in a subtle way within us built. Now these subtle centers give rise to the gross sub plexuses within us which work out all the physical side and also mental side. When the whole thing take place, automatically as a by product you will feel better physically, mentally, emotionally. Now for the last ten years I have been telling people that cancer only can be cured through Kundalini awakening. There is no way out. But people have believed it. Those doctors who come to Me who got cured and who talk about it that we got cancer, we got cured, they say, "Oh, he's gone mad, how can it be because it is a very [machinery ?] thing." You can't think that you can't be cured by not taking money. I know doctors would accept the situation where he does not take any money for curing people. It is very funny attitude of people that they want to make money out of all these gracious things that God has given us but you cannot sell this Divine love and when this curity takes place people are amazed how this happened. Mentally you feel absolutely relaxed. There are many people who are suffering from mental troubles in the Western countries especially because of the stress and strain of the family life in the society. In India we have problems more of physical. Here we have problems are more mental and these mental problems can be solved if the Kundalini could be awakened. We have got people with us, if you can come any time to Caxton Hall you can meet them who have been cured of their epileptic trouble with Kundalini awakening, even they - the door keeper of the Caxton Hall was suffering from epilepsy. He got completely cured. But it is not for curing you should come. You should come for getting your own power, power of your Spirit which resides within you because it is your own, only thing what I do is just enlighten you because I am an enlightened light and when you are enlighten you can enlighten other people. Like a, say, we can say a candle has everything in it. Only thing another candle just goes near there, which is enlightened enlightens. So there is no obligation, there is no any gratitude about it. It is just a very simple method by which it works out. Everything that is vital, everything that is important has to be, has to be absolutely simple because, supposing we have to pay for our breathing half of us would have finished in a second or we had to make any effort, we cannot read about it either. I mean if you read something or talking to you something, it is not the way you can get it. It is the way it happens. It's a happening. It has to happen. You have to become. It is not just a brain washing that I give you a brain washing, all right. It is not that. It's the happening, it should take place, the sprouting has to take place. Once it takes place you know you have got it. But after getting is the main problem. Once the thing sprouts, it's like a small little seedling, just now Don told Me there are five, six girls got their Realization here, the sort of you see they go up and down and they got lost. But I have seen some great seekers in this country, very great seekers who have come to Me, got their Realization, they settle down. They have mastered, they have mastered completely the art of raising the Kundalini and giving Realization and this is not their profession or nothing, they have to earn their living as you are earning but this is something God's gift by which you become that consciousness by which you feel others. It is a collective consciousness that you can feel of other people, sitting down here you can feel what's wrong with her, what is the center that's wrong. We don't bother what dress you are wearing, how you look like or how you talk, of from what race you come, what country you come, nothing matters. What matters is where are your centers, where is the problem, in what center. Supposing there is insecurity in this region you feel insecure then there is one center, that one, the blue one that you see there, that is in danger. If this center is goes into a greater danger of insecurity, such woman can develop breast cancer. The center that is down below you see there is the center that is - responsible for our evolution, also this center is very important if a person is fanatic. Now you won't believe that the fanaticism gives cancer, you will be surprised. If you are a fanatic ( a bell or lift bell sounds here) about something you may develop a very serious type of cancer, it can be only cured if you accept that all the religions are the same and the people who were born in those religions are all related to each other, we are only fighting, while they are all related, they all help each other, they are all connected to each other and you can find out their integration completely within us. Then no conflict because it is such an absolute knowledge that even a child, say about five year child or two years old child who is a born realized, there are many now in England I have seen so many children are born realized. They all say the same because you feel them on your fingers and if you ask them now what is the finger catching they will immediately say this one or this one, this means that center, all of them will say the same thing, they can feel it, they sort of a burning sometimes or sometimes you feel a little [ chart ?] in there or sometime you might even feel a little tingling. And the children know which finger is catching and they say these are decoded and you can verify it. Like somebody talk to Me on the phone the other day I said, "You have very bad liver. What is the matter with you?" He said, "How do You know?" I said, "I know because I am catching on the centers which give you the liver problem." So I said, "I know that." He said, "Yes, I am suffering I really telephone for that only to you." I said, "All right." Then now I told him what is to be done about it. All these things can be overcome; you can enjoy very good health apart from that all your habits. Habits come to us because we get bored. You see all habits are there because we are bored of life. We don't know what to do with ourselves. We have too much time. So once you find yourself all your habits stop automatically. I mean, we had people first time six people who came to Me, out of them four of them were hippies and they were indulging into a very serious type of drugging and next day they gave up, just next day after getting Realization they just left it. They don't want it anymore. Because they started enjoying themselves, very miraculous, I know of another gentleman who used to smoke cigars and cigarettes, and he is about 80 year age at least, must be about 80, now he is about 83 years, must be about 80 years of age and he told Me that over night he gave up, over night, next day he gave up. And he said, "I just forgot what. I just forgot that I have to smoke." Now we have French, also from Algeria, and there is we have French from all over the world. Now whether you are Hindus or Muslims or Christians or Russians or anything this can happen to all of us and once it happens we know that we become part and parcel of one God. We are all children of one God and we have to understand, unless and until we understand this we are not going to be happy. We are not going to live happily. And there are going to be problems and problems. The world is under shock now and they think that tremendous things can happen to us or horrible things can happen to us and they are very precariously placed now. But God is alert, nothing can wrong. He is there to help us and I'm sure one day will come when so many of you will be Realized souls. I mean this is the last chance I should say because this is the last judgement. The last judgement has started. Now how God is going to judge us? Let's see, is He going to put us into any measuring weighing machines? He is going to only judge us by raising our Kundalini, [ years it has started years full time ? ] correct yourself to be all right. You will be all right and once you are all right, once your are place in such a situation you start enjoying yourself. Now it is nice to see young people from Reading, especially from Reading I am surprised. Young people have very good quality of mind and that they do feel we have to do something about it and we gone too much head along with this mechanism and this and that whether it give us joy or not. But any extremes are not good but by telling anyone is not going to work out. One has to work it in such way that they find the meaning of their life. And they automatically they start enjoying. They start enjoying themselves because you are nothing but your Spirit and the Spirit is the most beautiful thing. It is the most beautiful thing and once you have that state, a glimpse of that then you start enjoying yourself. You don't want anything else but enjoy yourself and then you develop that respect about the glory that you are! But it has to be executed, it has to be manifested and it has to be retained and it has to be established. If it happens I have seen people getting it and they are such beautiful people. So beautiful that you can't believe it that the same people who were just standing on the streets and misbehaving and such destructive things have become beautiful souls. And such joy to their parents and to all. May God bless you! And now if you have questions ask Me. It is a very, very vast subject and I must have spoken, I don't know how many, hundred of times in London, it. Ah, apart from abroad and I would like you to ask Me questions. It is remarkable that to give a lecture like this I should come to a store, that I was saying that it's a store. It must be unique for Me to come to a store. I am very happy because I have respect for this store and a very well known store for a long time and the first store I visited when I came to England was Selfridges. I have a feeling for it. I am very happy that I can come here and talk to you people. I would like to have some questions from you. Aside: "Can you give Me some water?" Question: Raja Yog and meditation is it same or no...........? Shri Mataji: I'll tell you Raja Yog people are preaching about is something very outside it is that you do like this and I mean there are Bandas and all that they use, have you done any studies in Raja Yog? No, then I would say that you see, they would talk of creating a situation, for example, Raja Yog can be very dangerous because they cut the tongue down just like that put it back into the throat and they say this called as [Kichari ?]. I mean like putting your tongue back into your throat, if you can get caught, I just can't understand, how can people accept it. People have accepted it and I've seen those people doing Raja Yog with their tongues back. In America there are so many like mad people, I mean one must understand that these things cannot give you God. You see this is how in modern days they have started all sorts of things. They say, "We will teach you to fly." Now you want to become birds? Why do you want to fly, I just don't understand. I mean, it's absurd, to fly also that's another thing this Hatha Yoga people talk of . Now Hatha Yoga was actually originally practised in, I should say thousands of years back when Patanjali was there. When the system, the whole social system was different, where the children were sent to school. Some children were selected who were seeking God and they were given instruction and these so called the Hatha Yoga that we do these days is exercise, just a wee bit of it. But we also do exercises, we teach people some exercises but depending on what center is catching. For example, we are suffering from this center, now if you start doing all the exercises, how will you cure this center? Isn't? You have to know this center you are catching which is the problem. Unless and until your Kundalini is opened out, unless and until She is awakened you will not know what center you are catching. Now doing all these exercises means that you are taking all the medicines at the same time without knowing what's the problem is so it is absurd some of things has come out of Hatha Yoga. Actually in real Hatha Yoga the first thing was called as Ishwarapranithar means first of all the discovery of God, or you can call it establishment of God, means Realization. The first is Realization and then other things were there and a very little was there with that kind of language celibacy is most important thing. Now that's over. Let's see the modern times are there. We have to have something as you have got we can say, everything is a [mystery? Very discreet ?]. We have to have something that should work out en-masse Realization so many must get it, otherwise nobody is going to believe Me or believe any one of them. Supposing if I was born on the 10th floor I am telling people I see that and I see this, they say, "You're mad, we don't see that." So let's some people come up to see, all right. So this is what Sahaja Yoga is. Sahaja Yoga the difference between other, these so-called yogas, I called them so-called because there is no yoga, yoga means union, where is the union, first they do cleansing they say you must to cleanse your mind, you can do this but you cannot. You cannot do because supposing you try to cleanse your mind you do it through your mind. You have to get out of it you see and when you do cleanse your mind you develop an ego. How do you cleanse, you cannot, so you have to get out of it. First you must get your Realization. Once you get your Realization they you start seeing it yourself because you can feel it and you don't like it. When you don't have eyes how do you clean yourself? You must get your eyes then you see and then you can cleanse it, isn't it? That's why it's called Sahaja, Sahaja means born with you, it's spontaneous, it's living, it's a living process. I am talking of living God and not of something that's dead. It is what Kabira has talked about, this is what Christ has talked about, this is what Mohammed has talked, that's what Sahaja. Question: What is the proper time for meditation, early morning or evening time? Shri Mataji: Once you get your Realization, you are in meditation. You see, you have to be in meditation. For example, I am in meditation in the sense that for Me, it's peace inside, I have no problem. I am talking to you and I am doing everything, but inside is the peace established. You are in meditation. There is no time to be taken out or anything but your awareness becomes different. You don't have to sit down and say, "Now I must do meditation (a bell & announcement in the store)". Of course, we have certain things we can do. Supposing you now meet someone and he tries to sort of say something or you don't like it or something you feel disturbed or upset. Because of Kundalini awakening, we know how to clear out ourselves, you see, through water element, through- we have methods how to clear out and that's how you can spend some time within. But there is no need to sit down for hours for meditation. You are a different person altogether. You become the Spirit. So the time is not needed as it is, but you become a different person. You see, like an egg becomes a bird, then you just enjoy, with all the drama finished. First, you see, you are involved in the drama, but then you see the drama going on. There is not fixed time, nothing, you see, they are all the time flowering, even when you are in the shops you are enjoying. You are enjoying every part of it. Actually, every moment is filled with enjoyment. But we have lost, I should say, the sensitivity or we have to deal with that sensitivity or we can say that it has to happen to you. Once it opens out, you would like it, the entire attitude to life changes. This is how you become a saint. Actually, you become saint but you live in this world. You don't have to run away. If you are a saint, you should be the most noble person, isn't it? A saintly person should never run away, I mean if he runs away from the society, that means he is not a saint. He is an escapee, escapist, I should say, he escapes from life. If there is beauty in life, why should he runs away from it? You are just not there, enjoy and make others enjoy. Any question from you? Question: I think we all want to know how to get there quick. Shri Mataji: Ah, that's like a Puja. This is great. Let's have it. Just put your hands like this... [Shri Mataji is giving Realization and continues with working on people]

5/24/1981

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis

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“Subconscious, Supraconscious” Chelsham Road, Clapham, London (UK) 24 May 1981 …these people saw it and thought [they are] kind of mad people. All kinds of things that are possible. And the new theory is that mind can’t do anything. People say you better do something which is uncontrollable by your mind, you see. But there's a simple answer to that; I say let's see, what's the simple answer? Let's see. Sahaja Yogis... from the brain trust? What is the simple answer? They say that, you see, mind is limited all right, so whatever the mind does is limited. So if there are any deliberations by which you come to the control of our mind, whatever we do, is the mind's doing. So if something is done like that, it is spontaneous according to them, “This is spontaneous!” So let somebody else do it. I mean it’s something [as if the] Divine is doing it to you." Let's have all the intellectuals down there! What do you answer to that? Did you hear that Linda [Williams (Pearce)]? The question is very simple. The question is this: that they were saying that the mind is limited. All right? Hello. Is Maria here? I was thinking of her. Where is she? I don’t see her. Hello! I was thinking of you today, somehow, to meet. I’m very happy you could come. Now the question is this, a simple question, that they are saying that - through our mind whatever we do, and through the control of our mind whatever we do, is done by a limited energy of mind. All right? Now this limited energy of mind, is doing something which cannot take you to unlimited. So something has to happen to us which is beyond the control of the mind. That's the only thing that is spontaneous. Now see the confusion! Now on mental level you can answer that. Let's see. Come along! Don. Who is there? Yes? Yogi: You could say it has to be something spontaneous that happens to you, which increases your awareness. Whereas these people were degrading themselves. Shri Mataji: No. You see, but you see the proof of the awareness is not there, all right? So they'll say, “How do you say you have a greater awareness?” because that is subjective. So they may come out you see. They are very clever. So now. Another answer here? Yogini: It's another perception. Shri Mataji: The same thing! You are saying the same thing. You say you have a different perception but how are they to believe? So you see on mental level, on discussion only, what can you say about Sahaj Yoga? Lets see. It’s a very good question. Put your mind to it. Very simple the answer is.. Yogi: Vibratory awareness. Shri Mataji: No, no, but that's it: you say you have vibratory awareness, but who believes you? Is the point. You may say anything but who will believe? “Come along, the computer!” It is very simple. You see, just go in a very simple way, then you will see the point. You may. Yogi: There's, there's no effort involved? Another yogi: The results. Shri Mataji: Results? That's too far fetched! Just on discussion point, what should we say? See that's too far fetched [for them], “You see the results. I can feel your Kundalini. I can see this, that,” That's abstract. Man2: Could you say that we should be able to think when you want to? Shri Mataji: Eh? Man2: Could you say that you should be able to still use the mind if you want to? Shri Mataji: But they can say, “We are using the mind!” Those want to cheat you will say that. They can cheat you. If they want to cheat you, they'll say, “Yes, we are using the mind! We are in perfect bliss and happiness. We have vibrations.” You know, if you say, “Your Mooladhara is catching,” they'll say, “Your this chakra is catching.” How can you quarrel with these people? - On mental level, not on any substantial, what do you call the... proof's to be given. Yogi: Mother, do they say the mind can see itself act, can be its own witness? Shri Mataji: No, no, they say that mind is limited. Yogi: Ah, it's not its own witness. Shri Mataji: So you have to give up your mind. Somebody else should work it out: the Divine. And when they jump or they do anything [they say that it] is the Divine that is making them jump, or shout. So simple. Chaya: Mother, if Divine is working out through them, then Divine should be able to solve their problems and give them - Shri Mataji: That's too far fetched, Chaya. That's too far fetched. They will not believe that your problems are solved. Only just on discussion point - what is the basic difference between Divine and human? Yogini: How can we discuss about it, if it is really the mind which is limited, so how can they discuss it with them - Shri Mataji: You can, you can. You can tell them something, even on the limited level. You can have the Divine in limited stuff. You can, you can do it. Now should I tell you? Or you have given up? Let's have the last word. Linda: This has happened before, actually. Shri Mataji: Ah? Linda: Something happened today on the telephone which is... it's been my experience it happened before. If you are talking to somebody on the telephone and you're sort of discussing if Sahaja Yoga's a good idea. This made me very... catching very, very badly on the whole of the left, in fact my hand was shaking. And just for my own comfort I started putting a bandhan on it because I thought my hand would go on shaking. And she said, “What are you doing to me?” I know if I made it clear. You can hear, hear the lady, “What are you doing?” I was putting a bandhan on because my hand was shaking. Shri Mataji: But Linda, for this also they have to believe in you. Might be your hand is shaking because you are getting some bhoot, your own bhoot working it out. You see, you have to understand that at what level they are talking. You see, they are doubting you as you are doubting them. The very simple answer is, that what you can do with your mind, you can always do, all right? When you get to that position also you shout, howl - the same way you can do it. But you cannot make the Kundalini pulsate. Whatever you can do with your mind, and without your mind, is just the same, because you can howl, you can shout, you can jump, you can do everything that you are doing under the same circumstances. So the one who is doing is not Divine, but some human being or some human agency. But the Divine if it has to do, it has to do something extraordinary which human beings cannot do. To pulsate the Kundalini is only possible for the Divine. It's a living force. Man-made things are dead and they can do dead actions. But a living force cannot be activated. Kundalini cannot be seen pulsating by jumping. That cannot be done by mind. You see? Whatever you can do with your human mind that can be done always. What is there to need to go to these gurus? You can always howl and shout and do all these things but you cannot make the Kundalini pulsate. Divine does something which you cannot do. You cannot make cool breeze flow from your hands. So if you go beyond mind it has to be something extraordinary. It should be something different. Limited and unlimited are two different dimensions. This is the secret of your Mother's maya, also. This is the secret of your Mother's maya, that I live on limited plane and do unlimited things. That's how I create maya. You see, you can only know me through knowing your vibratory awareness, by shaking on my head. Nobody can, shake, make you shake if you put the hand on the head, head of someone. So the Divine force is a thing which human beings cannot do through their mind. You cannot make pulsate the Kundalini. It's a living force. Human beings cannot create life, cannot generate life. They cannot generate life. They cannot make the Kundalini pulsate. They cannot make the pulsation come down here. They cannot raise the pulsation going up. With the stethoscope you can feel it. They cannot make the pupils dilate. Do you see my point? Because they cannot feel the vibrations so we cannot talk of a vibrated thing, but you can see with naked eyes. They cannot make the cool breeze come out of your head. They can feel the thing coming out of our heads. This is extraordinary. Do you see my point, now? Clear cut? So the limited, whatever I can do with the limited instrument myself, I can also do unlimited. That's the sign of Divine Mother. It's a tremendous thing to understand. In the same way you are limited now but you have jumped into the unlimited so the things you can do, that's why you are saints, you are saints. The things you can do on the unlimited, you could not have done it before Realisation. You start doing something that you could not have done before - is to raise the Kundalini of the people. They can howl, shout, do all these things, but they cannot raise the Kundalini of the people. [With] all other things you can say, “It’s arbitrary, subjective!” “You are saying this happens - you got cured, it's your mental attitude and all that,” But on this point [you cannot]. Dawn I wrote a letter for you. I have not brought it. You'll have to come to my house. (Mother spends some time with a baby on her lap, giving kisses ) Could we have some questions before we start. Suddenly silence! Antoinette Wells: I have a question that Matias wanted to ask you about the curing powers coming from the supraconscious. Shri Mataji: What's this? Antoinette Wells: The curing powers coming from the supraconscious. Because there are many people who are curing other people with supraconscious forces and what is the difference between this curing power and the curing power of the Kundalini? Shri Mataji: You see there could be two types of curing people. One could be those who get the power of the collective subconscious and those who get from the collective Supraconscious. Both can cure, partly, depending on where is the problem. For example a person has, say, a left side problem, then a collective subconscious fellow can cure - the left side. And if there is a supraconscious person he can cure more physical side - you see? - because he's on the supraconscious side. Now what would they do? You see now for example, take the question of collective subconscious people; those who indulge into going into say…we have two types of people in India called as mantrikas and tantrikas, you see. So the mantrikas are the people who go to the funeral pyres and also go to the cemeteries and there try to capture these spirits, you see. These are dead spirits and the sly type of dead spirits, they catch them. Now these sly spirits are interested in doing some sort of a…you see they are the so-called ‘social workers’ sometimes - busybodies trying to help others. Some people might have collected say hundred pounds only and wanted to collect two hundred more, you see, something like that type. In the category of this chaturvarna (caste system) they are the shudras (lowest caste), as they call it, the people who believe in serving others and sort of doing something in the service of others - such people. They appear to be good people because they want to serve others and they want to help others and that's why they don't want to die their real death; they want to stick on around and they are a busybody to serve each other. So there might be, say, a servant class, we can call it; these are servant class people. All the time they are the first to serve. Of course none of us are like that, so no question, nothing to bother! But they are a different type. They are the people who are servile, absolutely servile. They like to be whipped, they like to be beaten up, they like to be ill-treated - that type of people. Absolutely another extreme, horrid type of existence they like to have. You know that kind in the psychology it is described. All such people are around. So they get hold of these people, they are very timid, afraid all the time, nudging, you see - Left-sided people. So they get hold such people and tell them, “Do this work!” and, “Do that work!” “You have control this!” “You have to go there!” and these people feel very happy about it. So if there is somebody suffering from a mental trouble - due to somebody has been through a death, somebody's death or something, and he get’s a mental pushback into the collective subconscious. So these people can be ‘cured’ if you go to one of these mantrikas that they go and they just tell that, “All right, now you have been there for such a long time troubling this man, you get out from there. You get out from there!” And when they say so, “You get out from there!” they say that, “We’ll put somebody else in your place and we'll give you another place to go.” You see? Sort of a rapport is established; they are mediators, liaison officers, you can say. And they create this kind of an office by which they catch hold of these people and put them into somebody else. A very good example of this is a lady whose husband used to drink a lot, so she went to one of the ladies of this kind. So she said, “All right, I'll manage this man and he won't drink. So you have to give me a hundred rupees for that.” She paid a hundred rupees. So she put one bhoot in this man, removed this man who was drinking - you see there must be a drunkard in him. So this fellow started, you see he gave up drinking but he started going to races. So she removed that bhoot and she put another one who started going to dirty women! And then this lady got frightened, she said, “What are you doing? Every time I'm paying you hundred rupees, and hundred rupees,” you see? She had paid her a lot of money and suddenly she found that this fellow is doing all the three things together. So she went to fight with this woman! She said, “How dare you do these things to my husband!” And this lady put a bhoot in her. Since then that woman is still mad and I have not been able to cure her. So you can imagine how dangerous it is to go to these people for getting something! Still when she sees me she goes on like this and [she’s] quite funny. You remember one lady who came to [me]? The same one! This is the case. She's a very good looking woman, married to a very rich man who owns a factory and this is the life both of them are leading, burning the candle on both the ends! So this is one thing. This is the one of the cases. The second case is of the supraconscious fellow. Now you go to a supraconscious fellow, like this doctor - who was that late doctor? Yogi: Laing? Shri Mataji: Lamb! Yogi: Laing! Shri Mataji: ... "Late Dr. Lamb's Curative Centre," you see. “International Curative [Centre]”. International bhoots he had! (laughter) Yes really! Curative Centre! And you had to write to them, that, “I am suffering from this disease.” Whatever disease you have. One lady was suffering from an uterus trouble. So all the great doctors you see, all the great lawyers, all the great scientists and all the great engineers and architects and all these great supraconscious people, very ambitious, Hitler and all such great warriors; all such people gather on the right hand side. So, he being a doctor, he met all his friends there. He met his friends and then by that, what happened that he could talk to them, “Now let's start a clinic,” because these doctors would not die. They had been experimenting with this and experimenting with that. So they started this ‘Late Dr. Lamb’s clinic’ and for that, I don't know if you know the whole story but if you read Gregoire's book it might be there I think, that this Dr. Lamb lived in London who died and who had a son. Now this Dr. Lamb when he died his bhoot attacked a man in Vietnam where he was fighting and an ordinary soldier who had never known what is education is, you see, and he told him that “I am Dr. Lamb, I'm from such and such place. You’d better go to my son and tell him that you want to start this thing.” He did not attack his son because he knew his son wouldn’t be able to bear him, because he wanted a very healthy, sturdy man, you see? And this gentleman then went to this son and told him that, “Your father is within me and he's talking like this.” He said, “I can't believe it.” He said, “All right.” Then he went into trance, he started talking. He said, “See, we have got this things in the secret pocket, you go and see there's money kept for you.” and, “We talked like this secretly and this was this..." And then the son had to believe, you see. Then he believed him. And he started this clinic for him. So he gave all the money and everything for the clinic and all the bhoot doctors - international - were helping this particular doctor to act anywhere they wanted. So the intercommunication was established on that level, on the collective supraconscious. Now a lady was suffering from high blood pressure and kidney and also some uterus trouble. So she went to them and she said that, “All right, I am suffering from such and such disease.” So they said “All right, you write a letter to our centre in London.” She wrote a letter here. So they sent back a letter that "On such and such date exactly…” You see living forces do not act like that, they don't give you a date or thing. “On such and such date at this time we'll appear within you and cure you. At that time, you lie down in your bed.” And suddenly she got this "O-ho-ho-ho-ho!" into her you see. So one of the doctors must have entered into her. And she got cured of it, absolutely cured. For a year or so she was all right. Then she started feeling very dizzy. She just started feeling very dizzy and all sorts of coming up. When she came to me she was in a tattered condition, absolutely finished; she was like this, you know. So, she knew that a spirit had come in her. But now she said, “There are at least ten or eleven of them within me, and I can't bear them.” This kind of curing also can take place from the supraconscious people. Supposing there's an architect, if he goes to one of such people he can get an architect who is dead upon himself and he can start doing this work. Now this man who was a ripper and all that was himself, was possessed by some ripper who died or something like that, whose ambitions he is sharing. You see you have to have inclination for that, no doubt. You have to have that weakness within you otherwise it won't work out. But if you have that weakness and if you are very weak, otherwise also from mind, then these things catch hold of you. And if it has something to do with physical side the supraconscious can help you. If it has to do something on the mental side then the subconscious people can enter you. But they help you very temporarily and then they come back with a big force on you - it is like that. But Sahaj Yoga makes you so powerful and so pure that impurities just go out. It's a cleansing force. It’s a very different thing where you neither put any bhoot into somebody, or your intention is not to cure but as a by-product people get cured. Now tremendous things are happening: like I met a lady and her husband in Australia - a very dynamic journalist - and the lady was the president of the Journalist Association. Do you know her? Yogini:Not yet. Shri Mataji: All right. Journalist Association of Australia. She could not have had a baby. Doctors had said she can never have a baby! She’ s very short, extremely fat; all that problem was there. Still they were carrying on. I mean, husband wanted the baby very much. And now she conceived, after Sahaj Yoga. After so many years - fourteen, fifteen years of marriage now she's conceived. So the her entire ideas about life are changed. She used to indulge into so many things that she used to do: she went to gurus, this, that, she did everything then she was a Catholic to begin with then she became something else, everything she has done. She overcame all that when she came to Sahaj Yoga and here she finds this answer, physically. So, I've not put any bhoot in her. I have made all the bhoots get out of her, you see. And she said that, “Now we are going to take up a project," which I had told them, that "You have to expose these gurus.” Just even if you write what these people are doing, you will be able to show that this is madness, this is real madness! And once you have talked about it then you prepare a base for Sahaj Yoga and then you should say, “This is the reality that makes you sane, powerful and loving.” Then only people are going to see to this. So this is a very good thing that Sahaj Yoga creates miracles, really creates miracles. You have seen on material level, on mental level, on emotional level and ultimately on the spiritual level. You are all endowed with such powers. Even if you are doing anything wrong or anything, you are a realised-soul; if you want to give Realisation you can do it. For example, if this lamp is enlightened, it may not be good, it might be unclean, it may not be very good to burn, but once it is burning it can enlighten other lights. Like that, your Spirit is pure. But one has to know that we have to fight all these evil spirits. On the unlimited I am working hard, very hard; that’s how they're exposed. But on the limited you must work hard to fight them, and should be prepared to fight them. You should prepare yourself to fight them; you have to fight these evil forces. Because they are the ones who are ruining your own beings around so you have to fight. There is big depression coming on you; people will just obstruct it, they'll trouble you like anything. But you have to fight these and for that you should be strong. They are so strange. And the great people, the children of God, the men of God are born more in the West than in the East, most surprising. I think they were rewarded by God to come to a country which has more affluence, did not have so much poverty and the troubles. And these are the people who are lost, and the reason, one of them, which I discovered only yesterday, is that the modern concept of life is to make something that can be demolished easily. And this is what one should know that our foundations have been made very weak by satanic forces. Our foundations are very weak. We have been given all these ideas for days in and day out, the satanic forces have built it up since long; since long these ideas have been built up. On all the Western front if you see the kings how they were, the queens how they were, the way the people lived and the kind of life they led, and if you read the French this thing…I mean, sometimes you read other Kings of Spain and Portugal, you're amazed, and the kind of life they led was so horrifyingly funny, even you can see the Catholic churches, the so called very religious people, the way the pope lived, and all that is so horrifying sometimes! He even doesn't know what is right and what is wrong! So your foundations were laid like that, wrongly, they are shaken up. You have to rebuild your foundations. So the foundations on which you stand, you [must] change them completely. You have new foundations of dharmic life. Absolutely you have to accept dharmic life in your life, that's the way only your foundations can be good. In India the foundations are good - specially in Maharashtra, very good foundations they are - but the yearning, the aspiring, is not there. Like an aeroplane, one aeroplane which is got nicely built but it is so nicely built that it can never fly. The another one is so built that it wants to fly - as soon as takes off, everything goes and finished! (laughter) So, one must realise that our foundations were laid down like that by the satanic force. It's much deeper than what you understand. You have to fight those foundations they’ll say, “Oh, what? He was like this, he was like that. Oh what?” They are not your ideals, one should know. They are not your ideals - these horrible kings who killed seven wives and things and things like that. They are not your ideals. Your ideals are your Self. You have to build new ideals in the Western countries. Then only you can change it. Because you are such a dynamic force. Every one of you have to come up to build yourself into ideals and try to lead a life of that ideal within you. You have to sacrifice, the greatest thing that you have to sacrifice is your ego which makes you so obstinate and hard-hearted. Face yourself up! This ideal has to be created. There is someone sitting before you if you want to accept which is a very difficult life this side; that, one has to have compassion, one has to have love, understanding. Never talk ill about each other, never. Try to help each other. We are very few. We cannot afford to fight among ourselves. We are very few people and wedded to a very great cause. So we cannot afford to fight. We cannot have wrong ideas. We cannot waste our time on mundane things, even like marriage. If marriage has to be, it has to be compatible, good, try to build up your things now; must try to patch up things. You have to make it a beautiful thing. Do not indulge onto small, nonsensical things which are petty, useless otherwise we cannot do it. You see we have to still go a long way, a very long way we have to go. It’s a long, long way. These satanic forces are very nicely built up in these areas. They didn't bother about India because India is a poor country. Poverty teaches one thing is to have proper foundations. That's the blessing of poverty: that once you give up even these foundations then nothing is with us, at least try to have some foundations. But the very poor are just the same as the very rich. But the very rich are not your ideals, not at all; [also] not the very poor. But you are your own ideals. You have to create new ideals. You are the new presidents of America and prime ministers of England. You are the one who are great people and you have to stand up to it: people of character, of integrity, of hard work, proper understanding, otherwise you cannot do anything. You have to come up! It's easy to study something, pass M.A., or MHD or anything like that, but to become an ideal you have to mature. You have to tell yourself that, “I have to come up, I have to do this!” Which is not difficult now because you have the source under your command! Anything is possible. Just ask for it and you'll have it. But build it up. Even now if you cannot build up your own personality and the new ideals when will you do? When I am here with all the chakras intact. Easy to justify yourself. There's no justification needed for anything. “This is wrong, that is wrong.” - all finished! You have to become that. So one is, that you change your foundations. Despite all this, we have people like William Blake, Shakespeare, Tennyson - great people. Tremendous people, Mozart, this, that. Lots of people in this country also. Taking their names itself liberates vibrations. In those conditions, single-handed, they created their own ideals. Just think of them how they must have fought this horrible... it is only today that we accept him, who accepts these people? Jung? Who accepts him? Only twelve Jungians - horrible Jungians these are. Every one of you is capable of doing that. Every one of you has to become a leader. In Poland an ordinary factory worker did that (Lech Wałęsa). He was an ordinary factory worker. But he was not a realised-soul. He could not communicate with God, he had no way of knowing the Absolute. So channelise yourself properly, cleanse yourself properly and dedicate. For dedication you don't have to do anything. I do not want anything from you for dedication, except give up your egos and superegos, that's all. These loads you must take it out. Just create a little space there, which is the heart actually. A little space and it will work out. And that is, one has to understand now, when you these films and things - thank God I did not see. You see it's easy to kill these rakshasas, it’s easy do all this but what about these lost souls? Everything works out very well, say about a year or so, or two years. After that I am going to blast them. Before that you should be ready. Because once I blast them they'll come back on you people. So you should be such strong people that you are not finished by that. You see blasting is so easy for them. For me it’s the easiest thing to blast all of them and finish them off but once they go to subconscious area they'll attack you again so I want them to live, with paralysis, with diabetes, with all sort of things; but they'll live, they'll not die. It's a tremendous task and I'm working twenty-four hours [a day], twenty-four hours. I have no sleep, nothing, you know that. It's all just a life that is so enjoying and itself. The whole vision I can see clearly of those beautiful days when we all will be enjoying each other and the bliss of God together - that’s all I want. We have to pull out so many human beings from the clutches of the evil forces, for which you have to dedicate. Our attention is too much on useless things, materialistic things: there’s no end to it. Be satisfied with less. There is no end to it. You will be looked after also materially; there won't be much problem. But don’t run after too many of these things. Just don't have interest in these. What is it all? It’s all trash! But you should be loving and affectionate. You see, once you start giving up these things, what you become [is] you become like a hard-hearted person: “I have no interest in anything!” - finished. Who has interest in such a stone? (Shri Mataji talks to a child) Good. You are feeling cool breeze in the hand? She's just in meditation. Yogi: She says her hands feel nice, Mother. Shri Mataji: She's in meditation actually. Yogi: Sometimes at home. Mother, she sits in front of Your photograph and she won't speak to anybody afterwards. She just, she'll just wander around and she'll play with her toys, but she doesn't want to speak to people. She just goes very quiet. Shri Mataji: Let them grow up. But you are the foundations. Now they will talk of you as the foundation, not of these horrible people who have been. They will talk of you, “Oh, such and such person was the Sahaj Yogi, the first Sahaj Yogis.” Where is that, the first one? He's not there, missing all the time. Yogi: He’s getting the door! Shri Mataji: Will you come in? (laughter) Come here in front! That is how they have to talk. You have to be ideals of love and affection and not of domination and nonsense - all of you. You will be the first Sahaj Yogis. You are the one who are going to change the complete concept of life. The new ideals have to be established. I don't know if you people really are aware of your responsibilities. Sometimes you are only worried on, “Oh! Where am I catching? What is happening to me? What is this?” So self-centred! Or you are worried about others: “She should not have not done this!” “He should not done, he should have not sat next to Mother! He should have done this.” Nobody should think that they love me more than anybody else. Nobody should think like that! Some people know more rituals, some know more in protocol, doesn't matter; but I know who loves me. The one who loves others loves me the most. I don't care [about] your protocols and your ritualistic things. It’s nonsense for me. What does it matter for me? The one who loves others is the one who really loves me. Take it from me. I have had all these rituals and all that and I have no care for these things. Makes no difference whether you say, “Good morning,” to me or, “Good evening to me,” it’s not important. What you say to your brothers and sisters is the most important point. Sahaja Yoga will never work out if you do not look after that side: how you behave towards your wife, towards your husband, towards your brothers and sisters. That is the most important thing. Anybody who tries to play such tricks will get out of Sahaj Yoga. You know that I've thrown out very, so-called ‘important’ people out of Sahaj Yoga when they did like this, to dominate others, by saying, “This is not good! You should not put your hand there!” or “Put your feet there!” or “Do this and that.” Who can know the protocol of Divine Mother? You cannot bind me into protocols. You can not bind me to anything I am unlimited. I am detached. You cannot bind me to anything. To think that you can have me attracted towards you by your protocols, which is dead, has no meaning. It has to be a living protocol of being kind and generous, being beautiful. Some are lethargic: Say a husband wants the wife to work all the time. The wife wants the husband to every time. Everybody finding faults with each other! They are not Sahaja Yogis. Sahaja Yogis are the people who take it sahaja. If somebody is not working that person will go down - just like this. I’ll put that person out of Sahaja Yoga. But why? Why did you come to Sahaja Yoga? You are seekers. You have been seeking for ages now. You have been built up from ages now. Are you going to waste your life? In any case you have to sleep and rest for the rest of your life. So why not now work it out. In every way act! Firstly you will become real, very good citizens, with moral values which are your foundations. You yourself judge you are realised-souls. I'll leave it to your judge. I can not going to tell you why did you do it. No, it is you, you judge yourself. You will lose your vibration. And losing vibrations is the You can become silent. Silence can be from other agencies. Negative forces from the left side of the Agnya are giving ideas. You must have your own ideas. “I can't, I go on thinking,” this nonsense goes on. Just tell yourself how dare you do all this nonsense of the Left Side. Those who are left sided better go in for lemon treatment, beating [with] shoes, everything. Get out of it! Those who are Right Sided better go on with a nice hundred and eight beating to oneself. Get in the centre! Cleanse yourself! If you really love yourself you cleanse yourself. Be in the centre. Never be proud of your ego, never be proud - “Oh, I think it's correct. Yes I feel..” Beat yourself hundred and eight times. You see, you can be very high handed under the circumstances. You can do absolutely without any embarrassment of what you are doing, you can be absolutely shameless, you can be. I mean, you are a Sahaj Yogi! How can that be? You should feel embarrassed about things. There should be a little sankoch. You call it ‘formality’ but I would not it ‘formal’. ‘Sankoch’ is the thing: “How to do this?” “Why to hurt anyone?” There should be such reservations about you. How can you say such a thing to someone? It will hurt. One if the victims of this is David Baxter. He was hurt so much that his Agnya bloated more and more. Because if your Agnya is hurt, your Agnya just bloats out; you don't know what to do with it. So many are like that I know. Somebody tries to show off they are big gurus and try to push down others: “Oh, I know, I know. I know Sahaj Yoga, I'm a great Sahaj Yoga this thing!” And then I will make a [horn] come out like that! A horn. But that comes out from here. You see in the mirror, you can see your ego jutting out from here. Just feel it. All of you. It’s there. Push it down. This nonsense, this is the sticking point, you know! Though the balloon goes thin, it’s sticking on here; there's a sticker. Push it down. Here it bloats outs. This is how Buddha is...Buddha. Buddha is the one who is realised: ‘buddha,’ the one who is [an] enlightened one. You are the enlightened one, how can you have an ego? You are the buddha: the one who knows. You are buddha, you are enlightened people. Put your hand over here. Ego is the greatest enemy. I have seen people who suffer from superego: if you take it out they’ll go to the ego. It’s the greatest enemy you have, this superego, when there is no ego. But if there is ego then whatever you may try with superego it will come back to ego. So for us, in the West, we have the greatest problem - is of ego. Whatever appeals to ego we run to that. That's how these people are made mad. They said, “Oh, you can fly.” (in TM) - gone into that. Somebody will say that you'll become very powerful — gone into it. Somebody said that you will become a great guru — finished! When you become the Spirit you become one with the Whole — nobody says that. That's Jewish! (laughing). I am not saying yet too! But Australia definitely is doing much better. They have a little love. That day I don't know why; just can’t say Now, it's coming again. Better? When I say, “You are realised,” “You are great,” “You are saints,” [there’s] one more blow into the balloon! If I say, “You have to create your ideals,” one more blow: is the balloon going on blowing up. When I say that, I say it to create that awareness within you that you are here for the torches. You are the torches. But the torches are to be ego-less! Because your ideals have been all full of ego. See anybody; say Churchill standing there with a stick in his hand — same thing. It’s nothing but complete body looks like an ego, like that. Anyone! These ideals have to go away. We have to form new ideals. He was all right for war. We needed him for war, to meet another ego called Hitler. So it was all right to break their heads together. But now we need new ideals. That time is over now. When there is flood you need boats to carry you across, but after reaching the shores you don't carry the boats with you do you? You leave them behind. But we don’t. These boats are no good for us now we’ve done the job. Now we have to go ahead with our own feet. All right? So no bloating of the ego should be there. And with that one would realise that we should not think that in any way we are exceptional. No one should think that you are exceptional! If you start thinking that only you are blowing up your ego. To Mother you are not. You have to be ideal. You have to be in the centre. You have to be a Sahaj Yogi. That's the most important thing is. Do not judge yourself by what you think of yourself, but what your Mother thinks of you. How much joy you are giving to your Mother? If you make her unhappy then what's the use. Now don't go into [Left Vishuddhi]. (laughter) What a game eh? Immediately! There's a pocket here. The whole balloon goes down there, settles down. Again as soon as I say something, “Oh!” Now you must have noticed that there are very few really seekers in this world, who are true seekers. And those who are seekers must realise also that seekers cannot be happy with anything else but their Spirit. This is the test of a seeker. And a non-seeker can never understand a seeker. And it is very difficult to live with a man or a woman who is not a seeker. Because you catch all the bad points and you suffer. [If] the person has an ego, you feel the thing here, [but] the person doesn't feel anything. He's hurting? He's very nicely off! He has his ego intact and he's torturing you as well! But a person who is a seeker is a better person because you can give Realisation to that person and then your vibratory awareness can be shared, and nobody would mind anymore. But somebody who is not at all a seeker could be a very difficult situation. You cannot make a fruit into a flower. And the flower becomes a fruit. Now you are changed, so you have become the fruit. But you must have a flower around, if you have a flower you can make it into a fruit. But if it's a leaf? No idea! Like "My mother, my brother, my father, my husband, my wife," and this and that. Those who are already entangled with such problems should learn to not to get more problems. Those who are not flowers should be avoided, forgotten and locked. Don't do anything about them. You just don't worry. The more you try to improve them the worse you'll become. They can never improve. I give you a big rope to see. If they are not seekers they will never be a seeker. You cannot inject seeking into them. They may come [for] some material well-being, this, that, but they can never become seekers and you forget it! You may have to suffer because of them. Because if they are catching, you have to suffer. If they have a Nabhi Chakra, you have to suffer: no doubt. But you have committed a mistake and forget it. It can never improve. The person is very difficult to become a seeker. Do not waste your energy. Christ has said, “Don’t throw your pearls [before the swine].” ” You cannot force anybody to be a seeker; you cannot force. But there are millions and millions of seekers in this world. So forget about all such relationships and say that, “You are finished.” They may call you mad, they make all you crazy, they make all you anything, [but] they will realise only one thing that you lead a much better life than they do; you are much more peaceful, blissful and dharmic and sane, but they won't accept your life. Forget it! Just play around with them understanding that they cannot change. Even if they change mentally they cannot have that urge to be seeking because for a seeker, nothing matters, nothing is important. Nothing gives them joy: even a little child like that. She’s gone off! They are so relaxed. So, any more questions? Mio? Cooly and Mio should come and see me tomorrow… Cooly: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: ..before going to the program. Coming to the program. You come here, come there. I want to talk to you. Antoinette Wells: I have another question: What about the people who are good people, dharmic people, not seekers, who have got realisation but don't see now the big… Shri Mataji: …vision. Lady: The vision what's going on at the - Shri Mataji: They’ll go out of circulation. They have to come in Sahaj Yoga. They go out of circulation, absolutely. You see, the thing is, Sahaj Yoga doesn't accept. It rejects more than accepts. It’s a judgement going on. Such people who go out of Realisation, they have to work it out. You may talk to them because they're realised, you can give them bandhan, you can work on them. They are the people in whom you could be interested, but they are lost otherwise. I had given a very good example of this [which] was that they make butter out of the…what you call that? We call it ‘curd’. It’s yoghurt. They churn it. When they churn it what happens [is] some butter comes up, the rest remains as buttermilk. How do they do it? To separate it from that, they put a big lump of butter in that. Then they churn it. Now the whole butter gets round that big lump and it gathers into a big lump. But there are some particles which are left behind; they are butter, they are not buttermilk. If they do not stick to this big thing, they are thrown away with the buttermilk. So those who do not come up to Sahaj Yoga, who are not up to the mark, will be all thrown out, no doubt, that's a fact. You have to come up to the mark. And you should not worry about those. You should have nirapekshita. You should have no attachment for such people. No channa for me? Can you give me some water? That's good to eat away some bhoots, you see. Yogini: Mother, Marcus has made a very beautiful Indian sweets, but that didn't work out. Shri Mataji: I don't eat any sweets these days, you see. I'm going into a kind of a penance, for some time. No sweets for me. You can all have it. I'd like you to do that. A little penance is needed sometimes for me also. Yogini: Would you like a cup of tea, Mother? Shri Mataji: Yes, without milk. With lemon. Have you got? Yogi: Mother, I've got some channa upstairs. Shall I go and bring it for you? Shri Mataji: All right, bring it, bring it. Channa I don't want. [UNCLEAR: Little Kim?] what was happening? Where she is? Yogi: She just felt... she was uncomfortable, she's... Shri Mataji: So just put her on something comfortable. Yogi: No, she's okay, she just feels a little bit restless; when you're three it's a strain to be quiet Mother. Shri Mataji: Now who are the Exeter people who have come? Yogi: Peter and Jane, Mother. Shri Mataji: Who? Raise your hand. Yogi: Peter and Jane. Shri Mataji: Oh I see. Good. Nice to see you here. Yogi: Mother Peter had some trouble with his back since he got Realisation. Shri Mataji: Who had? Come along here. Will he be able to sit on this one? Can you? Yogi: Shri Mataji, why do we feel cool breeze like the vibrations? Shri Mataji: Because the All-pervading Power is felt like that when your Spirit is enlightened. It is existing everywhere but you never feel it before you start feeling it when your Spirit is awakened. Feel hot breeze? Yogi: He says when You talk about warmth, you talk about love. Shri Mataji: Warmth? Yogi: The warm feeling is a feeling of love. Shri Mataji: You see, we never say that it is nice to be boiling but we always say it’s nice to be cooling. All cancer patients give heat. Whenever anyone is diseased it gives heat. You see, another extreme could be this, you can say that, freezing; maybe. But we say, “Wash me and I shall be whiter than snow.” You never say that, “You, you burn me and I shall be brighter than charcoal.” (laughter) But you'll be surprised. It is very, very temperate. I mean it's not a thing that is freezingly (sic) cold. If it is freezingly cold that means Left Side - if you get very cold. I mean it can never be. Cool Breeze, actually, is never very cold, it's not freezing. It could be hot with some people, could be very cool because of their problems. But if you are a normal person you feel a cooler sensation. Even here, how much ice people consume? Just think of that. “On the rocks!” (laughter) They are always ‘on the rocks’. The amount of ice cream they consume, the amount of ices they consume in this cold country is most surprising. Even your Prime Minister gave us to eat, rhubarb ice! (laughter) On an icy cold day. I mean you use much more cooling than we use. And even you suggest, like say somebody is very much in a heat and is getting angry, they say, “Cool down, cool down.” But if somebody is supposing is lethargic you don't say, “Boil up!” You say, “Awake and be active,” but you never say, “Boil up!” It is slightly less than your body temperature. It's not so very cooling as to freeze you. If it is hot, then something wrong with you. I mean the question ‘why?’ is such, that even if there was hot they would have said, “Why hot?” But [if] it is cool, it’s cool. There’s no ‘why?’ about God. Good. Coming up. Very bad Swadishthana! The left one, it goes to the left. That's the worst part. Because they don't believe in giving us any peaceful time. If there is an earthquake, they'll write it, first page. If there is somebody a ripper, you'll find five columns of articles written on this horrible ripper. Is he your ideal? And about Sahaj Yoga they are not willing to write even one sentence! Now he is the ideal of the people! So shameful, I tell you, the whole thing is. Feel like vomiting. What depravity. (Mother is talking about a serial killer known as ‘The Yorkshire Ripper’) Another one I have got to show you, which some of you should try to answer. Where is that? Did you bring one? John? John Watkinson: Newspaper? Shri Mataji: John? I mean I can't even discuss this. The brain trust should see it. I mean, how, where the mind of the people is going? Where they are attracted to? What did you bring? Oh God! John: Telegraph. Shri Mataji: I wanted the magazine. John: Oh, thought you just said The Daily Telegraph? Shri Mataji: News, Telegraph, the magazine is there. Sunday. Sunday Telegraph. All right. Gavin, you can get it. Some of you should get it. There's something one should see - horrible. And they have tried to describe the prostitutes of Bombay. Are you finished with yours? In a very horrid way! Absolutely nude they have shown these women. In India pornography is not allowed. So this is a way of having a pornography. It’s very, very subtle. And that is a place where people just don't go to! I mean that road nobody would go through. It’s regarded as an inauspicious place. If somebody has to go from there, they'll come [home] and have a bath. Only the sailors go there mostly. But where is your attention is the point, you know. Very horrible pictures. You go to Nepal. I mean we never saw anything there! Till Gregoire told me that this is all here. I said, “Really, where is it?” He said, “On top.” I said, “Where?” He said, “Where this Japanese has gone up with three ladders, you see, hanging in the air projecting zoom lenses.” This is just to support their weaknesses, perhaps. Come in, come in. Come forward. You can move some of you this side, I think, there's lot of room. On this side? I think you all can come, Graham and all that, you can come this side. And I think you can come. Phil? I mean, have I any place where I can talk to people, little bit in privacy. Yogini: Yes Mother we can tidy the girls' room for you. Shri Mataji: All right. So I'll go upstairs? Yogini: Is that all right for you? Another Yogini: You can go up now. Yogini: What if we were to go upstairs, would that not be easier? Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogini: Wouldn't it be easier if we went upstairs? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Quite all right. You know now I have bought a house which is five stories! Yogini: That was the problem, Mother. That was what we were all worried about. Shri Mataji: No, it's all right. Yogini: Why don't we go upstairs? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, I'm all right. Yogi: Linda it’s very tidy your room. Shri Mataji: Where has Cooly gone? Just call him here. Peter Pearce: He's just busy at the moment. Shri Mataji: Eh? Peter Pearce: There's someone at the door for him. Shri Mataji: Let him come. Somebody else could be busy! People think we can be on our own, you see. They start thinking like that, [that] we can start working it out on our own. That’s why if you write about chakras, be very careful. Nothing can be worked on you own. They think, “Oh, our relationship is with Mother, directly.” Yogi: No, this is for Sahaj Yogis; this is not the normal people. Shri Mataji: It is for Sahaj Yogis? Yogi: Yes, it's the information to further your knowledge of Sahaj Yoga. To know a little bit more about in Sahaj. Shri Mataji: Oh no, then I would suggest that if it is the information for Sahaj Yogis - first thing one should say is that, what information they need is, that they cannot work it on their own. Mother only loves those who love each other. Anybody who thinks, “I can work it on my own, I have a special relationship with Mother,” should know that they are going out. This sentence you put first. Then I don't mind writing an introduction. Yogi: An introduction? Shri Mataji: Introduction. Yogi: Ah, yes that's - Shri Mataji: Because they will know all about chakras, and still not be in there. Yogi: Yes of course, of course. Shri Mataji: Better now? Yogi: Very much. (break in recording) Shri Mataji: It is said that, “Eka hi akshara prema ka, Wada is ho pandita hua.” Ak-shara. ‘Akshara’ means, actually ‘word’ in the normal way. But what is akshara? I mean the one that is never destroyed, which never diminishes. So ‘ek’ - only one - word of love, the one who can read that word - becomes the pandita, the one who becomes the vidvana. All the rest of knowledge is useless. If you can only love people who are related to you be material life and not the others then that's wrong. Sahaj Yogis are your real relations. You are better now. Why to produce children? That's why I said that, “Don't look after other's children,” because all your desire to be parents will be finished with that and you'll have an excuse, you see! You better get selfish on that point and produce children, for heaven's sake. All [your] marriages have turned out to be wastage for me. With understanding, otherwise you will get thugs as your children. With understanding, with love, with aspiration that the blessings of God has to come, otherwise what [useless] marriages? Oh God. Better now. As it is your foundations are weak and such great people want to get their birth on this Earth and you are so adamant. Poor things. Yogi: Mother? There is also Patrick from Birmingham, is a newcomer. Shri Mataji: Who? Yogi: Patrick. Shri Mataji: I could see that. Well he’ll be all right, he’s a seeker. He’s all right. You got the cool breeze? Are you feeling the cool breeze Patrick? Not yet? Vishuddhi he has. Anybody cures his Vishuddhi, he’ll be all right. Just put your hand. Douglas [Fry] will you please try. (recording ends)

“Subconscious, Supraconscious” Chelsham Road, Clapham, London (UK) 24 May 1981 …these people saw it and thought [they are] kind of mad people. All kinds of things that are possible. And the new theory is that mind can’t do anything. People say you better do something which is uncontrollable by your mind, you see. But there's a simple answer to that; I say let's see, what's the simple answer? Let's see. Sahaja Yogis... from the brain trust? What is the simple answer? They say that, you see, mind is limited all right, so whatever the mind does is limited. So if there are any deliberations by which you come to the control of our mind, whatever we do, is the mind's doing. So if something is done like that, it is spontaneous according to them, “This is spontaneous!” So let somebody else do it. I mean it’s something [as if the] Divine is doing it to you." Let's have all the intellectuals down there! What do you answer to that? Did you hear that Linda [Williams (Pearce)]? The question is very simple. The question is this: that they were saying that the mind is limited. All right? Hello. Is Maria here? I was thinking of her. Where is she? I don’t see her. Hello! I was thinking of you today, somehow, to meet. I’m very happy you could come. Now the question is this, a simple question, that they are saying that - through our mind whatever we do, and through the control of our mind whatever we do, is done by a limited energy of mind. All right? Now this limited energy of mind, is doing something which cannot take you to unlimited. So something has to happen to us which is beyond the control of the mind. That's the only thing that is spontaneous. Now see the confusion! Now on mental level you can answer that. Let's see. Come along! Don. Who is there? Yes? Yogi: You could say it has to be something spontaneous that happens to you, which increases your awareness. Whereas these people were degrading themselves. Shri Mataji: No. You see, but you see the proof of the awareness is not there, all right? So they'll say, “How do you say you have a greater awareness?” because that is subjective. So they may come out you see. They are very clever. So now. Another answer here? Yogini: It's another perception. Shri Mataji: The same thing! You are saying the same thing. You say you have a different perception but how are they to believe? So you see on mental level, on discussion only, what can you say about Sahaj Yoga? Lets see. It’s a very good question. Put your mind to it. Very simple the answer is.. Yogi: Vibratory awareness. Shri Mataji: No, no, but that's it: you say you have vibratory awareness, but who believes you? Is the point. You may say anything but who will believe? “Come along, the computer!” It is very simple. You see, just go in a very simple way, then you will see the point. You may. Yogi: There's, there's no effort involved? Another yogi: The results. Shri Mataji: Results? That's too far fetched! Just on discussion point, what should we say? See that's too far fetched [for them], “You see the results. I can feel your Kundalini. I can see this, that,” That's abstract. Man2: Could you say that we should be able to think when you want to? Shri Mataji: Eh? Man2: Could you say that you should be able to still use the mind if you want to? Shri Mataji: But they can say, “We are using the mind!” Those want to cheat you will say that. They can cheat you. If they want to cheat you, they'll say, “Yes, we are using the mind! We are in perfect bliss and happiness. We have vibrations.” You know, if you say, “Your Mooladhara is catching,” they'll say, “Your this chakra is catching.” How can you quarrel with these people? - On mental level, not on any substantial, what do you call the... proof's to be given. Yogi: Mother, do they say the mind can see itself act, can be its own witness? Shri Mataji: No, no, they say that mind is limited. Yogi: Ah, it's not its own witness. Shri Mataji: So you have to give up your mind. Somebody else should work it out: the Divine. And when they jump or they do anything [they say that it] is the Divine that is making them jump, or shout. So simple. Chaya: Mother, if Divine is working out through them, then Divine should be able to solve their problems and give them - Shri Mataji: That's too far fetched, Chaya. That's too far fetched. They will not believe that your problems are solved. Only just on discussion point - what is the basic difference between Divine and human? Yogini: How can we discuss about it, if it is really the mind which is limited, so how can they discuss it with them - Shri Mataji: You can, you can. You can tell them something, even on the limited level. You can have the Divine in limited stuff. You can, you can do it. Now should I tell you? Or you have given up? Let's have the last word. Linda: This has happened before, actually. Shri Mataji: Ah? Linda: Something happened today on the telephone which is... it's been my experience it happened before. If you are talking to somebody on the telephone and you're sort of discussing if Sahaja Yoga's a good idea. This made me very... catching very, very badly on the whole of the left, in fact my hand was shaking. And just for my own comfort I started putting a bandhan on it because I thought my hand would go on shaking. And she said, “What are you doing to me?” I know if I made it clear. You can hear, hear the lady, “What are you doing?” I was putting a bandhan on because my hand was shaking. Shri Mataji: But Linda, for this also they have to believe in you. Might be your hand is shaking because you are getting some bhoot, your own bhoot working it out. You see, you have to understand that at what level they are talking. You see, they are doubting you as you are doubting them. The very simple answer is, that what you can do with your mind, you can always do, all right? When you get to that position also you shout, howl - the same way you can do it. But you cannot make the Kundalini pulsate. Whatever you can do with your mind, and without your mind, is just the same, because you can howl, you can shout, you can jump, you can do everything that you are doing under the same circumstances. So the one who is doing is not Divine, but some human being or some human agency. But the Divine if it has to do, it has to do something extraordinary which human beings cannot do. To pulsate the Kundalini is only possible for the Divine. It's a living force. Man-made things are dead and they can do dead actions. But a living force cannot be activated. Kundalini cannot be seen pulsating by jumping. That cannot be done by mind. You see? Whatever you can do with your human mind that can be done always. What is there to need to go to these gurus? You can always howl and shout and do all these things but you cannot make the Kundalini pulsate. Divine does something which you cannot do. You cannot make cool breeze flow from your hands. So if you go beyond mind it has to be something extraordinary. It should be something different. Limited and unlimited are two different dimensions. This is the secret of your Mother's maya, also. This is the secret of your Mother's maya, that I live on limited plane and do unlimited things. That's how I create maya. You see, you can only know me through knowing your vibratory awareness, by shaking on my head. Nobody can, shake, make you shake if you put the hand on the head, head of someone. So the Divine force is a thing which human beings cannot do through their mind. You cannot make pulsate the Kundalini. It's a living force. Human beings cannot create life, cannot generate life. They cannot generate life. They cannot make the Kundalini pulsate. They cannot make the pulsation come down here. They cannot raise the pulsation going up. With the stethoscope you can feel it. They cannot make the pupils dilate. Do you see my point? Because they cannot feel the vibrations so we cannot talk of a vibrated thing, but you can see with naked eyes. They cannot make the cool breeze come out of your head. They can feel the thing coming out of our heads. This is extraordinary. Do you see my point, now? Clear cut? So the limited, whatever I can do with the limited instrument myself, I can also do unlimited. That's the sign of Divine Mother. It's a tremendous thing to understand. In the same way you are limited now but you have jumped into the unlimited so the things you can do, that's why you are saints, you are saints. The things you can do on the unlimited, you could not have done it before Realisation. You start doing something that you could not have done before - is to raise the Kundalini of the people. They can howl, shout, do all these things, but they cannot raise the Kundalini of the people. [With] all other things you can say, “It’s arbitrary, subjective!” “You are saying this happens - you got cured, it's your mental attitude and all that,” But on this point [you cannot]. Dawn I wrote a letter for you. I have not brought it. You'll have to come to my house. (Mother spends some time with a baby on her lap, giving kisses ) Could we have some questions before we start. Suddenly silence! Antoinette Wells: I have a question that Matias wanted to ask you about the curing powers coming from the supraconscious. Shri Mataji: What's this? Antoinette Wells: The curing powers coming from the supraconscious. Because there are many people who are curing other people with supraconscious forces and what is the difference between this curing power and the curing power of the Kundalini? Shri Mataji: You see there could be two types of curing people. One could be those who get the power of the collective subconscious and those who get from the collective Supraconscious. Both can cure, partly, depending on where is the problem. For example a person has, say, a left side problem, then a collective subconscious fellow can cure - the left side. And if there is a supraconscious person he can cure more physical side - you see? - because he's on the supraconscious side. Now what would they do? You see now for example, take the question of collective subconscious people; those who indulge into going into say…we have two types of people in India called as mantrikas and tantrikas, you see. So the mantrikas are the people who go to the funeral pyres and also go to the cemeteries and there try to capture these spirits, you see. These are dead spirits and the sly type of dead spirits, they catch them. Now these sly spirits are interested in doing some sort of a…you see they are the so-called ‘social workers’ sometimes - busybodies trying to help others. Some people might have collected say hundred pounds only and wanted to collect two hundred more, you see, something like that type. In the category of this chaturvarna (caste system) they are the shudras (lowest caste), as they call it, the people who believe in serving others and sort of doing something in the service of others - such people. They appear to be good people because they want to serve others and they want to help others and that's why they don't want to die their real death; they want to stick on around and they are a busybody to serve each other. So there might be, say, a servant class, we can call it; these are servant class people. All the time they are the first to serve. Of course none of us are like that, so no question, nothing to bother! But they are a different type. They are the people who are servile, absolutely servile. They like to be whipped, they like to be beaten up, they like to be ill-treated - that type of people. Absolutely another extreme, horrid type of existence they like to have. You know that kind in the psychology it is described. All such people are around. So they get hold of these people, they are very timid, afraid all the time, nudging, you see - Left-sided people. So they get hold such people and tell them, “Do this work!” and, “Do that work!” “You have control this!” “You have to go there!” and these people feel very happy about it. So if there is somebody suffering from a mental trouble - due to somebody has been through a death, somebody's death or something, and he get’s a mental pushback into the collective subconscious. So these people can be ‘cured’ if you go to one of these mantrikas that they go and they just tell that, “All right, now you have been there for such a long time troubling this man, you get out from there. You get out from there!” And when they say so, “You get out from there!” they say that, “We’ll put somebody else in your place and we'll give you another place to go.” You see? Sort of a rapport is established; they are mediators, liaison officers, you can say. And they create this kind of an office by which they catch hold of these people and put them into somebody else. A very good example of this is a lady whose husband used to drink a lot, so she went to one of the ladies of this kind. So she said, “All right, I'll manage this man and he won't drink. So you have to give me a hundred rupees for that.” She paid a hundred rupees. So she put one bhoot in this man, removed this man who was drinking - you see there must be a drunkard in him. So this fellow started, you see he gave up drinking but he started going to races. So she removed that bhoot and she put another one who started going to dirty women! And then this lady got frightened, she said, “What are you doing? Every time I'm paying you hundred rupees, and hundred rupees,” you see? She had paid her a lot of money and suddenly she found that this fellow is doing all the three things together. So she went to fight with this woman! She said, “How dare you do these things to my husband!” And this lady put a bhoot in her. Since then that woman is still mad and I have not been able to cure her. So you can imagine how dangerous it is to go to these people for getting something! Still when she sees me she goes on like this and [she’s] quite funny. You remember one lady who came to [me]? The same one! This is the case. She's a very good looking woman, married to a very rich man who owns a factory and this is the life both of them are leading, burning the candle on both the ends! So this is one thing. This is the one of the cases. The second case is of the supraconscious fellow. Now you go to a supraconscious fellow, like this doctor - who was that late doctor? Yogi: Laing? Shri Mataji: Lamb! Yogi: Laing! Shri Mataji: ... "Late Dr. Lamb's Curative Centre," you see. “International Curative [Centre]”. International bhoots he had! (laughter) Yes really! Curative Centre! And you had to write to them, that, “I am suffering from this disease.” Whatever disease you have. One lady was suffering from an uterus trouble. So all the great doctors you see, all the great lawyers, all the great scientists and all the great engineers and architects and all these great supraconscious people, very ambitious, Hitler and all such great warriors; all such people gather on the right hand side. So, he being a doctor, he met all his friends there. He met his friends and then by that, what happened that he could talk to them, “Now let's start a clinic,” because these doctors would not die. They had been experimenting with this and experimenting with that. So they started this ‘Late Dr. Lamb’s clinic’ and for that, I don't know if you know the whole story but if you read Gregoire's book it might be there I think, that this Dr. Lamb lived in London who died and who had a son. Now this Dr. Lamb when he died his bhoot attacked a man in Vietnam where he was fighting and an ordinary soldier who had never known what is education is, you see, and he told him that “I am Dr. Lamb, I'm from such and such place. You’d better go to my son and tell him that you want to start this thing.” He did not attack his son because he knew his son wouldn’t be able to bear him, because he wanted a very healthy, sturdy man, you see? And this gentleman then went to this son and told him that, “Your father is within me and he's talking like this.” He said, “I can't believe it.” He said, “All right.” Then he went into trance, he started talking. He said, “See, we have got this things in the secret pocket, you go and see there's money kept for you.” and, “We talked like this secretly and this was this..." And then the son had to believe, you see. Then he believed him. And he started this clinic for him. So he gave all the money and everything for the clinic and all the bhoot doctors - international - were helping this particular doctor to act anywhere they wanted. So the intercommunication was established on that level, on the collective supraconscious. Now a lady was suffering from high blood pressure and kidney and also some uterus trouble. So she went to them and she said that, “All right, I am suffering from such and such disease.” So they said “All right, you write a letter to our centre in London.” She wrote a letter here. So they sent back a letter that "On such and such date exactly…” You see living forces do not act like that, they don't give you a date or thing. “On such and such date at this time we'll appear within you and cure you. At that time, you lie down in your bed.” And suddenly she got this "O-ho-ho-ho-ho!" into her you see. So one of the doctors must have entered into her. And she got cured of it, absolutely cured. For a year or so she was all right. Then she started feeling very dizzy. She just started feeling very dizzy and all sorts of coming up. When she came to me she was in a tattered condition, absolutely finished; she was like this, you know. So, she knew that a spirit had come in her. But now she said, “There are at least ten or eleven of them within me, and I can't bear them.” This kind of curing also can take place from the supraconscious people. Supposing there's an architect, if he goes to one of such people he can get an architect who is dead upon himself and he can start doing this work. Now this man who was a ripper and all that was himself, was possessed by some ripper who died or something like that, whose ambitions he is sharing. You see you have to have inclination for that, no doubt. You have to have that weakness within you otherwise it won't work out. But if you have that weakness and if you are very weak, otherwise also from mind, then these things catch hold of you. And if it has something to do with physical side the supraconscious can help you. If it has to do something on the mental side then the subconscious people can enter you. But they help you very temporarily and then they come back with a big force on you - it is like that. But Sahaj Yoga makes you so powerful and so pure that impurities just go out. It's a cleansing force. It’s a very different thing where you neither put any bhoot into somebody, or your intention is not to cure but as a by-product people get cured. Now tremendous things are happening: like I met a lady and her husband in Australia - a very dynamic journalist - and the lady was the president of the Journalist Association. Do you know her? Yogini:Not yet. Shri Mataji: All right. Journalist Association of Australia. She could not have had a baby. Doctors had said she can never have a baby! She’ s very short, extremely fat; all that problem was there. Still they were carrying on. I mean, husband wanted the baby very much. And now she conceived, after Sahaj Yoga. After so many years - fourteen, fifteen years of marriage now she's conceived. So the her entire ideas about life are changed. She used to indulge into so many things that she used to do: she went to gurus, this, that, she did everything then she was a Catholic to begin with then she became something else, everything she has done. She overcame all that when she came to Sahaj Yoga and here she finds this answer, physically. So, I've not put any bhoot in her. I have made all the bhoots get out of her, you see. And she said that, “Now we are going to take up a project," which I had told them, that "You have to expose these gurus.” Just even if you write what these people are doing, you will be able to show that this is madness, this is real madness! And once you have talked about it then you prepare a base for Sahaj Yoga and then you should say, “This is the reality that makes you sane, powerful and loving.” Then only people are going to see to this. So this is a very good thing that Sahaj Yoga creates miracles, really creates miracles. You have seen on material level, on mental level, on emotional level and ultimately on the spiritual level. You are all endowed with such powers. Even if you are doing anything wrong or anything, you are a realised-soul; if you want to give Realisation you can do it. For example, if this lamp is enlightened, it may not be good, it might be unclean, it may not be very good to burn, but once it is burning it can enlighten other lights. Like that, your Spirit is pure. But one has to know that we have to fight all these evil spirits. On the unlimited I am working hard, very hard; that’s how they're exposed. But on the limited you must work hard to fight them, and should be prepared to fight them. You should prepare yourself to fight them; you have to fight these evil forces. Because they are the ones who are ruining your own beings around so you have to fight. There is big depression coming on you; people will just obstruct it, they'll trouble you like anything. But you have to fight these and for that you should be strong. They are so strange. And the great people, the children of God, the men of God are born more in the West than in the East, most surprising. I think they were rewarded by God to come to a country which has more affluence, did not have so much poverty and the troubles. And these are the people who are lost, and the reason, one of them, which I discovered only yesterday, is that the modern concept of life is to make something that can be demolished easily. And this is what one should know that our foundations have been made very weak by satanic forces. Our foundations are very weak. We have been given all these ideas for days in and day out, the satanic forces have built it up since long; since long these ideas have been built up. On all the Western front if you see the kings how they were, the queens how they were, the way the people lived and the kind of life they led, and if you read the French this thing…I mean, sometimes you read other Kings of Spain and Portugal, you're amazed, and the kind of life they led was so horrifyingly funny, even you can see the Catholic churches, the so called very religious people, the way the pope lived, and all that is so horrifying sometimes! He even doesn't know what is right and what is wrong! So your foundations were laid like that, wrongly, they are shaken up. You have to rebuild your foundations. So the foundations on which you stand, you [must] change them completely. You have new foundations of dharmic life. Absolutely you have to accept dharmic life in your life, that's the way only your foundations can be good. In India the foundations are good - specially in Maharashtra, very good foundations they are - but the yearning, the aspiring, is not there. Like an aeroplane, one aeroplane which is got nicely built but it is so nicely built that it can never fly. The another one is so built that it wants to fly - as soon as takes off, everything goes and finished! (laughter) So, one must realise that our foundations were laid down like that by the satanic force. It's much deeper than what you understand. You have to fight those foundations they’ll say, “Oh, what? He was like this, he was like that. Oh what?” They are not your ideals, one should know. They are not your ideals - these horrible kings who killed seven wives and things and things like that. They are not your ideals. Your ideals are your Self. You have to build new ideals in the Western countries. Then only you can change it. Because you are such a dynamic force. Every one of you have to come up to build yourself into ideals and try to lead a life of that ideal within you. You have to sacrifice, the greatest thing that you have to sacrifice is your ego which makes you so obstinate and hard-hearted. Face yourself up! This ideal has to be created. There is someone sitting before you if you want to accept which is a very difficult life this side; that, one has to have compassion, one has to have love, understanding. Never talk ill about each other, never. Try to help each other. We are very few. We cannot afford to fight among ourselves. We are very few people and wedded to a very great cause. So we cannot afford to fight. We cannot have wrong ideas. We cannot waste our time on mundane things, even like marriage. If marriage has to be, it has to be compatible, good, try to build up your things now; must try to patch up things. You have to make it a beautiful thing. Do not indulge onto small, nonsensical things which are petty, useless otherwise we cannot do it. You see we have to still go a long way, a very long way we have to go. It’s a long, long way. These satanic forces are very nicely built up in these areas. They didn't bother about India because India is a poor country. Poverty teaches one thing is to have proper foundations. That's the blessing of poverty: that once you give up even these foundations then nothing is with us, at least try to have some foundations. But the very poor are just the same as the very rich. But the very rich are not your ideals, not at all; [also] not the very poor. But you are your own ideals. You have to create new ideals. You are the new presidents of America and prime ministers of England. You are the one who are great people and you have to stand up to it: people of character, of integrity, of hard work, proper understanding, otherwise you cannot do anything. You have to come up! It's easy to study something, pass M.A., or MHD or anything like that, but to become an ideal you have to mature. You have to tell yourself that, “I have to come up, I have to do this!” Which is not difficult now because you have the source under your command! Anything is possible. Just ask for it and you'll have it. But build it up. Even now if you cannot build up your own personality and the new ideals when will you do? When I am here with all the chakras intact. Easy to justify yourself. There's no justification needed for anything. “This is wrong, that is wrong.” - all finished! You have to become that. So one is, that you change your foundations. Despite all this, we have people like William Blake, Shakespeare, Tennyson - great people. Tremendous people, Mozart, this, that. Lots of people in this country also. Taking their names itself liberates vibrations. In those conditions, single-handed, they created their own ideals. Just think of them how they must have fought this horrible... it is only today that we accept him, who accepts these people? Jung? Who accepts him? Only twelve Jungians - horrible Jungians these are. Every one of you is capable of doing that. Every one of you has to become a leader. In Poland an ordinary factory worker did that (Lech Wałęsa). He was an ordinary factory worker. But he was not a realised-soul. He could not communicate with God, he had no way of knowing the Absolute. So channelise yourself properly, cleanse yourself properly and dedicate. For dedication you don't have to do anything. I do not want anything from you for dedication, except give up your egos and superegos, that's all. These loads you must take it out. Just create a little space there, which is the heart actually. A little space and it will work out. And that is, one has to understand now, when you these films and things - thank God I did not see. You see it's easy to kill these rakshasas, it’s easy do all this but what about these lost souls? Everything works out very well, say about a year or so, or two years. After that I am going to blast them. Before that you should be ready. Because once I blast them they'll come back on you people. So you should be such strong people that you are not finished by that. You see blasting is so easy for them. For me it’s the easiest thing to blast all of them and finish them off but once they go to subconscious area they'll attack you again so I want them to live, with paralysis, with diabetes, with all sort of things; but they'll live, they'll not die. It's a tremendous task and I'm working twenty-four hours [a day], twenty-four hours. I have no sleep, nothing, you know that. It's all just a life that is so enjoying and itself. The whole vision I can see clearly of those beautiful days when we all will be enjoying each other and the bliss of God together - that’s all I want. We have to pull out so many human beings from the clutches of the evil forces, for which you have to dedicate. Our attention is too much on useless things, materialistic things: there’s no end to it. Be satisfied with less. There is no end to it. You will be looked after also materially; there won't be much problem. But don’t run after too many of these things. Just don't have interest in these. What is it all? It’s all trash! But you should be loving and affectionate. You see, once you start giving up these things, what you become [is] you become like a hard-hearted person: “I have no interest in anything!” - finished. Who has interest in such a stone? (Shri Mataji talks to a child) Good. You are feeling cool breeze in the hand? She's just in meditation. Yogi: She says her hands feel nice, Mother. Shri Mataji: She's in meditation actually. Yogi: Sometimes at home. Mother, she sits in front of Your photograph and she won't speak to anybody afterwards. She just, she'll just wander around and she'll play with her toys, but she doesn't want to speak to people. She just goes very quiet. Shri Mataji: Let them grow up. But you are the foundations. Now they will talk of you as the foundation, not of these horrible people who have been. They will talk of you, “Oh, such and such person was the Sahaj Yogi, the first Sahaj Yogis.” Where is that, the first one? He's not there, missing all the time. Yogi: He’s getting the door! Shri Mataji: Will you come in? (laughter) Come here in front! That is how they have to talk. You have to be ideals of love and affection and not of domination and nonsense - all of you. You will be the first Sahaj Yogis. You are the one who are going to change the complete concept of life. The new ideals have to be established. I don't know if you people really are aware of your responsibilities. Sometimes you are only worried on, “Oh! Where am I catching? What is happening to me? What is this?” So self-centred! Or you are worried about others: “She should not have not done this!” “He should not done, he should have not sat next to Mother! He should have done this.” Nobody should think that they love me more than anybody else. Nobody should think like that! Some people know more rituals, some know more in protocol, doesn't matter; but I know who loves me. The one who loves others loves me the most. I don't care [about] your protocols and your ritualistic things. It’s nonsense for me. What does it matter for me? The one who loves others is the one who really loves me. Take it from me. I have had all these rituals and all that and I have no care for these things. Makes no difference whether you say, “Good morning,” to me or, “Good evening to me,” it’s not important. What you say to your brothers and sisters is the most important point. Sahaja Yoga will never work out if you do not look after that side: how you behave towards your wife, towards your husband, towards your brothers and sisters. That is the most important thing. Anybody who tries to play such tricks will get out of Sahaj Yoga. You know that I've thrown out very, so-called ‘important’ people out of Sahaj Yoga when they did like this, to dominate others, by saying, “This is not good! You should not put your hand there!” or “Put your feet there!” or “Do this and that.” Who can know the protocol of Divine Mother? You cannot bind me into protocols. You can not bind me to anything I am unlimited. I am detached. You cannot bind me to anything. To think that you can have me attracted towards you by your protocols, which is dead, has no meaning. It has to be a living protocol of being kind and generous, being beautiful. Some are lethargic: Say a husband wants the wife to work all the time. The wife wants the husband to every time. Everybody finding faults with each other! They are not Sahaja Yogis. Sahaja Yogis are the people who take it sahaja. If somebody is not working that person will go down - just like this. I’ll put that person out of Sahaja Yoga. But why? Why did you come to Sahaja Yoga? You are seekers. You have been seeking for ages now. You have been built up from ages now. Are you going to waste your life? In any case you have to sleep and rest for the rest of your life. So why not now work it out. In every way act! Firstly you will become real, very good citizens, with moral values which are your foundations. You yourself judge you are realised-souls. I'll leave it to your judge. I can not going to tell you why did you do it. No, it is you, you judge yourself. You will lose your vibration. And losing vibrations is the You can become silent. Silence can be from other agencies. Negative forces from the left side of the Agnya are giving ideas. You must have your own ideas. “I can't, I go on thinking,” this nonsense goes on. Just tell yourself how dare you do all this nonsense of the Left Side. Those who are left sided better go in for lemon treatment, beating [with] shoes, everything. Get out of it! Those who are Right Sided better go on with a nice hundred and eight beating to oneself. Get in the centre! Cleanse yourself! If you really love yourself you cleanse yourself. Be in the centre. Never be proud of your ego, never be proud - “Oh, I think it's correct. Yes I feel..” Beat yourself hundred and eight times. You see, you can be very high handed under the circumstances. You can do absolutely without any embarrassment of what you are doing, you can be absolutely shameless, you can be. I mean, you are a Sahaj Yogi! How can that be? You should feel embarrassed about things. There should be a little sankoch. You call it ‘formality’ but I would not it ‘formal’. ‘Sankoch’ is the thing: “How to do this?” “Why to hurt anyone?” There should be such reservations about you. How can you say such a thing to someone? It will hurt. One if the victims of this is David Baxter. He was hurt so much that his Agnya bloated more and more. Because if your Agnya is hurt, your Agnya just bloats out; you don't know what to do with it. So many are like that I know. Somebody tries to show off they are big gurus and try to push down others: “Oh, I know, I know. I know Sahaj Yoga, I'm a great Sahaj Yoga this thing!” And then I will make a [horn] come out like that! A horn. But that comes out from here. You see in the mirror, you can see your ego jutting out from here. Just feel it. All of you. It’s there. Push it down. This nonsense, this is the sticking point, you know! Though the balloon goes thin, it’s sticking on here; there's a sticker. Push it down. Here it bloats outs. This is how Buddha is...Buddha. Buddha is the one who is realised: ‘buddha,’ the one who is [an] enlightened one. You are the enlightened one, how can you have an ego? You are the buddha: the one who knows. You are buddha, you are enlightened people. Put your hand over here. Ego is the greatest enemy. I have seen people who suffer from superego: if you take it out they’ll go to the ego. It’s the greatest enemy you have, this superego, when there is no ego. But if there is ego then whatever you may try with superego it will come back to ego. So for us, in the West, we have the greatest problem - is of ego. Whatever appeals to ego we run to that. That's how these people are made mad. They said, “Oh, you can fly.” (in TM) - gone into that. Somebody will say that you'll become very powerful — gone into it. Somebody said that you will become a great guru — finished! When you become the Spirit you become one with the Whole — nobody says that. That's Jewish! (laughing). I am not saying yet too! But Australia definitely is doing much better. They have a little love. That day I don't know why; just can’t say Now, it's coming again. Better? When I say, “You are realised,” “You are great,” “You are saints,” [there’s] one more blow into the balloon! If I say, “You have to create your ideals,” one more blow: is the balloon going on blowing up. When I say that, I say it to create that awareness within you that you are here for the torches. You are the torches. But the torches are to be ego-less! Because your ideals have been all full of ego. See anybody; say Churchill standing there with a stick in his hand — same thing. It’s nothing but complete body looks like an ego, like that. Anyone! These ideals have to go away. We have to form new ideals. He was all right for war. We needed him for war, to meet another ego called Hitler. So it was all right to break their heads together. But now we need new ideals. That time is over now. When there is flood you need boats to carry you across, but after reaching the shores you don't carry the boats with you do you? You leave them behind. But we don’t. These boats are no good for us now we’ve done the job. Now we have to go ahead with our own feet. All right? So no bloating of the ego should be there. And with that one would realise that we should not think that in any way we are exceptional. No one should think that you are exceptional! If you start thinking that only you are blowing up your ego. To Mother you are not. You have to be ideal. You have to be in the centre. You have to be a Sahaj Yogi. That's the most important thing is. Do not judge yourself by what you think of yourself, but what your Mother thinks of you. How much joy you are giving to your Mother? If you make her unhappy then what's the use. Now don't go into [Left Vishuddhi]. (laughter) What a game eh? Immediately! There's a pocket here. The whole balloon goes down there, settles down. Again as soon as I say something, “Oh!” Now you must have noticed that there are very few really seekers in this world, who are true seekers. And those who are seekers must realise also that seekers cannot be happy with anything else but their Spirit. This is the test of a seeker. And a non-seeker can never understand a seeker. And it is very difficult to live with a man or a woman who is not a seeker. Because you catch all the bad points and you suffer. [If] the person has an ego, you feel the thing here, [but] the person doesn't feel anything. He's hurting? He's very nicely off! He has his ego intact and he's torturing you as well! But a person who is a seeker is a better person because you can give Realisation to that person and then your vibratory awareness can be shared, and nobody would mind anymore. But somebody who is not at all a seeker could be a very difficult situation. You cannot make a fruit into a flower. And the flower becomes a fruit. Now you are changed, so you have become the fruit. But you must have a flower around, if you have a flower you can make it into a fruit. But if it's a leaf? No idea! Like "My mother, my brother, my father, my husband, my wife," and this and that. Those who are already entangled with such problems should learn to not to get more problems. Those who are not flowers should be avoided, forgotten and locked. Don't do anything about them. You just don't worry. The more you try to improve them the worse you'll become. They can never improve. I give you a big rope to see. If they are not seekers they will never be a seeker. You cannot inject seeking into them. They may come [for] some material well-being, this, that, but they can never become seekers and you forget it! You may have to suffer because of them. Because if they are catching, you have to suffer. If they have a Nabhi Chakra, you have to suffer: no doubt. But you have committed a mistake and forget it. It can never improve. The person is very difficult to become a seeker. Do not waste your energy. Christ has said, “Don’t throw your pearls [before the swine].” ” You cannot force anybody to be a seeker; you cannot force. But there are millions and millions of seekers in this world. So forget about all such relationships and say that, “You are finished.” They may call you mad, they make all you crazy, they make all you anything, [but] they will realise only one thing that you lead a much better life than they do; you are much more peaceful, blissful and dharmic and sane, but they won't accept your life. Forget it! Just play around with them understanding that they cannot change. Even if they change mentally they cannot have that urge to be seeking because for a seeker, nothing matters, nothing is important. Nothing gives them joy: even a little child like that. She’s gone off! They are so relaxed. So, any more questions? Mio? Cooly and Mio should come and see me tomorrow… Cooly: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: ..before going to the program. Coming to the program. You come here, come there. I want to talk to you. Antoinette Wells: I have another question: What about the people who are good people, dharmic people, not seekers, who have got realisation but don't see now the big… Shri Mataji: …vision. Lady: The vision what's going on at the - Shri Mataji: They’ll go out of circulation. They have to come in Sahaj Yoga. They go out of circulation, absolutely. You see, the thing is, Sahaj Yoga doesn't accept. It rejects more than accepts. It’s a judgement going on. Such people who go out of Realisation, they have to work it out. You may talk to them because they're realised, you can give them bandhan, you can work on them. They are the people in whom you could be interested, but they are lost otherwise. I had given a very good example of this [which] was that they make butter out of the…what you call that? We call it ‘curd’. It’s yoghurt. They churn it. When they churn it what happens [is] some butter comes up, the rest remains as buttermilk. How do they do it? To separate it from that, they put a big lump of butter in that. Then they churn it. Now the whole butter gets round that big lump and it gathers into a big lump. But there are some particles which are left behind; they are butter, they are not buttermilk. If they do not stick to this big thing, they are thrown away with the buttermilk. So those who do not come up to Sahaj Yoga, who are not up to the mark, will be all thrown out, no doubt, that's a fact. You have to come up to the mark. And you should not worry about those. You should have nirapekshita. You should have no attachment for such people. No channa for me? Can you give me some water? That's good to eat away some bhoots, you see. Yogini: Mother, Marcus has made a very beautiful Indian sweets, but that didn't work out. Shri Mataji: I don't eat any sweets these days, you see. I'm going into a kind of a penance, for some time. No sweets for me. You can all have it. I'd like you to do that. A little penance is needed sometimes for me also. Yogini: Would you like a cup of tea, Mother? Shri Mataji: Yes, without milk. With lemon. Have you got? Yogi: Mother, I've got some channa upstairs. Shall I go and bring it for you? Shri Mataji: All right, bring it, bring it. Channa I don't want. [UNCLEAR: Little Kim?] what was happening? Where she is? Yogi: She just felt... she was uncomfortable, she's... Shri Mataji: So just put her on something comfortable. Yogi: No, she's okay, she just feels a little bit restless; when you're three it's a strain to be quiet Mother. Shri Mataji: Now who are the Exeter people who have come? Yogi: Peter and Jane, Mother. Shri Mataji: Who? Raise your hand. Yogi: Peter and Jane. Shri Mataji: Oh I see. Good. Nice to see you here. Yogi: Mother Peter had some trouble with his back since he got Realisation. Shri Mataji: Who had? Come along here. Will he be able to sit on this one? Can you? Yogi: Shri Mataji, why do we feel cool breeze like the vibrations? Shri Mataji: Because the All-pervading Power is felt like that when your Spirit is enlightened. It is existing everywhere but you never feel it before you start feeling it when your Spirit is awakened. Feel hot breeze? Yogi: He says when You talk about warmth, you talk about love. Shri Mataji: Warmth? Yogi: The warm feeling is a feeling of love. Shri Mataji: You see, we never say that it is nice to be boiling but we always say it’s nice to be cooling. All cancer patients give heat. Whenever anyone is diseased it gives heat. You see, another extreme could be this, you can say that, freezing; maybe. But we say, “Wash me and I shall be whiter than snow.” You never say that, “You, you burn me and I shall be brighter than charcoal.” (laughter) But you'll be surprised. It is very, very temperate. I mean it's not a thing that is freezingly (sic) cold. If it is freezingly cold that means Left Side - if you get very cold. I mean it can never be. Cool Breeze, actually, is never very cold, it's not freezing. It could be hot with some people, could be very cool because of their problems. But if you are a normal person you feel a cooler sensation. Even here, how much ice people consume? Just think of that. “On the rocks!” (laughter) They are always ‘on the rocks’. The amount of ice cream they consume, the amount of ices they consume in this cold country is most surprising. Even your Prime Minister gave us to eat, rhubarb ice! (laughter) On an icy cold day. I mean you use much more cooling than we use. And even you suggest, like say somebody is very much in a heat and is getting angry, they say, “Cool down, cool down.” But if somebody is supposing is lethargic you don't say, “Boil up!” You say, “Awake and be active,” but you never say, “Boil up!” It is slightly less than your body temperature. It's not so very cooling as to freeze you. If it is hot, then something wrong with you. I mean the question ‘why?’ is such, that even if there was hot they would have said, “Why hot?” But [if] it is cool, it’s cool. There’s no ‘why?’ about God. Good. Coming up. Very bad Swadishthana! The left one, it goes to the left. That's the worst part. Because they don't believe in giving us any peaceful time. If there is an earthquake, they'll write it, first page. If there is somebody a ripper, you'll find five columns of articles written on this horrible ripper. Is he your ideal? And about Sahaj Yoga they are not willing to write even one sentence! Now he is the ideal of the people! So shameful, I tell you, the whole thing is. Feel like vomiting. What depravity. (Mother is talking about a serial killer known as ‘The Yorkshire Ripper’) Another one I have got to show you, which some of you should try to answer. Where is that? Did you bring one? John? John Watkinson: Newspaper? Shri Mataji: John? I mean I can't even discuss this. The brain trust should see it. I mean, how, where the mind of the people is going? Where they are attracted to? What did you bring? Oh God! John: Telegraph. Shri Mataji: I wanted the magazine. John: Oh, thought you just said The Daily Telegraph? Shri Mataji: News, Telegraph, the magazine is there. Sunday. Sunday Telegraph. All right. Gavin, you can get it. Some of you should get it. There's something one should see - horrible. And they have tried to describe the prostitutes of Bombay. Are you finished with yours? In a very horrid way! Absolutely nude they have shown these women. In India pornography is not allowed. So this is a way of having a pornography. It’s very, very subtle. And that is a place where people just don't go to! I mean that road nobody would go through. It’s regarded as an inauspicious place. If somebody has to go from there, they'll come [home] and have a bath. Only the sailors go there mostly. But where is your attention is the point, you know. Very horrible pictures. You go to Nepal. I mean we never saw anything there! Till Gregoire told me that this is all here. I said, “Really, where is it?” He said, “On top.” I said, “Where?” He said, “Where this Japanese has gone up with three ladders, you see, hanging in the air projecting zoom lenses.” This is just to support their weaknesses, perhaps. Come in, come in. Come forward. You can move some of you this side, I think, there's lot of room. On this side? I think you all can come, Graham and all that, you can come this side. And I think you can come. Phil? I mean, have I any place where I can talk to people, little bit in privacy. Yogini: Yes Mother we can tidy the girls' room for you. Shri Mataji: All right. So I'll go upstairs? Yogini: Is that all right for you? Another Yogini: You can go up now. Yogini: What if we were to go upstairs, would that not be easier? Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogini: Wouldn't it be easier if we went upstairs? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Quite all right. You know now I have bought a house which is five stories! Yogini: That was the problem, Mother. That was what we were all worried about. Shri Mataji: No, it's all right. Yogini: Why don't we go upstairs? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, I'm all right. Yogi: Linda it’s very tidy your room. Shri Mataji: Where has Cooly gone? Just call him here. Peter Pearce: He's just busy at the moment. Shri Mataji: Eh? Peter Pearce: There's someone at the door for him. Shri Mataji: Let him come. Somebody else could be busy! People think we can be on our own, you see. They start thinking like that, [that] we can start working it out on our own. That’s why if you write about chakras, be very careful. Nothing can be worked on you own. They think, “Oh, our relationship is with Mother, directly.” Yogi: No, this is for Sahaj Yogis; this is not the normal people. Shri Mataji: It is for Sahaj Yogis? Yogi: Yes, it's the information to further your knowledge of Sahaj Yoga. To know a little bit more about in Sahaj. Shri Mataji: Oh no, then I would suggest that if it is the information for Sahaj Yogis - first thing one should say is that, what information they need is, that they cannot work it on their own. Mother only loves those who love each other. Anybody who thinks, “I can work it on my own, I have a special relationship with Mother,” should know that they are going out. This sentence you put first. Then I don't mind writing an introduction. Yogi: An introduction? Shri Mataji: Introduction. Yogi: Ah, yes that's - Shri Mataji: Because they will know all about chakras, and still not be in there. Yogi: Yes of course, of course. Shri Mataji: Better now? Yogi: Very much. (break in recording) Shri Mataji: It is said that, “Eka hi akshara prema ka, Wada is ho pandita hua.” Ak-shara. ‘Akshara’ means, actually ‘word’ in the normal way. But what is akshara? I mean the one that is never destroyed, which never diminishes. So ‘ek’ - only one - word of love, the one who can read that word - becomes the pandita, the one who becomes the vidvana. All the rest of knowledge is useless. If you can only love people who are related to you be material life and not the others then that's wrong. Sahaj Yogis are your real relations. You are better now. Why to produce children? That's why I said that, “Don't look after other's children,” because all your desire to be parents will be finished with that and you'll have an excuse, you see! You better get selfish on that point and produce children, for heaven's sake. All [your] marriages have turned out to be wastage for me. With understanding, otherwise you will get thugs as your children. With understanding, with love, with aspiration that the blessings of God has to come, otherwise what [useless] marriages? Oh God. Better now. As it is your foundations are weak and such great people want to get their birth on this Earth and you are so adamant. Poor things. Yogi: Mother? There is also Patrick from Birmingham, is a newcomer. Shri Mataji: Who? Yogi: Patrick. Shri Mataji: I could see that. Well he’ll be all right, he’s a seeker. He’s all right. You got the cool breeze? Are you feeling the cool breeze Patrick? Not yet? Vishuddhi he has. Anybody cures his Vishuddhi, he’ll be all right. Just put your hand. Douglas [Fry] will you please try. (recording ends)

6/1/1981

http://amruta.org/?p=12316

The Time Of The Seekers

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"The Time Of The Seekers", Caxton Hall, London (UK) … that so many seekers are born, so many of them, they are really seekers, that’s a category, a category of human beings who are seeking something beyond. It’s a fact, I mean there was never such a time before that so many seekers were born on this earth. This word was used sometimes for one single person or maybe about ten at the most but two thousand years back you could not find so many seekers on this earth. I mean they are seekers, why there is so much seeking and why people are seeking, why they have this temperament of seeking, what is the reason? There must be some reason for it and as we all know in Sahaja Yoga that the Last Judgement has started and the Last Judgement is going to work out through the Kundalini awakening and everybody is now trying to seek in some way or another, aah the whole pattern has worked out in such a way that the seekers are born at this time and they have a background too. They are not just seekers today. I mean you were as you know that, you were evolved, evolved from a unicellular animal and then now today you are a human being and there are people who are human beings otherwise also same way as you are but you are a category no doubt about it, there is a cateogry of people who are seeking, not out of fashion, out of just because in the atmosphere there are many people selling their tickets but you are doing it because there is something within you which forces you and impels you, compels you completely, which propels you, which makes you mad and you don’t know why, why, what’s the matter with us and at this time as you know, there are lots of things that have come up, as in the market one has to supply something plastic if there’s too much demand but as there is plastic there has to be something absolute, there has to be truth but what I find is this, that lots of words have somehow or other emerged out of all this plastic supply and these words are extremely confusing. From where do these words come in, for example cosmic consciousness is one of the very common words used, cosmic consciousness, from where does this word come in, from where do you get the idea of all these things and that also makes people quite vulnerable because they think this is the words they never heard about, something great, cosmic consciousness, oh great. All these words have come from the scriptures, it was fortunate or unfortunate, I don’t know, it can work out both ways. That it was said that after the Realisation you will get this, ?? little secret, it’s not so open so straightforward but still from all the scriptures, especially, the scriptures of the Eastern world we can say India, where the seers went very deep into themselves, kept it as a secret throughout, till the time of I would say Shankara Charia the sixteen sixth century, it’s quite modern for us in India. Never a word was there about Kundalini word was used except for Markendaya who was there long time back much before Shankara Charia but to people Kundalini was something unknown, something very much ? from the understanding of people. In the Vedas, you see the Primordial Mother was called as E E and that’s why Kabira has used this E means the state of E the Primordial Mother. All this has been said in the Vedas agreed and is said again and again and then in other scriptures like bible, koran, everywhere, it is mentioned that you are to be born again but one had to say that, now one says that, nothing was a primitive idea or a sort of a crude idea or some sort of an imaginary idea, it was absolute the truth, absolute? but when you just say even this much that you have to be born again, you see a very simple thing is that you are to be born again, these this people pick up this word, that you are to be born again, finished. They brand themselves as born again, twice born, just go about, there are cults and cults and cults who talk about that you will be getting your Self-Realisation, that this is Self-Realisation you must have, that this is Self-Realisation and then with that other things also come in like Cosmic Consciousness you achieve your Cosmic Consciousness. Now what is Cosmic Consciousness then? It’s not written anywhere in the scriptures clearly what is cosmic consciousness and it is very difficult for a seeker who is madly seeking not to get confused

"The Time Of The Seekers", Caxton Hall, London (UK) … that so many seekers are born, so many of them, they are really seekers, that’s a category, a category of human beings who are seeking something beyond. It’s a fact, I mean there was never such a time before that so many seekers were born on this earth. This word was used sometimes for one single person or maybe about ten at the most but two thousand years back you could not find so many seekers on this earth. I mean they are seekers, why there is so much seeking and why people are seeking, why they have this temperament of seeking, what is the reason? There must be some reason for it and as we all know in Sahaja Yoga that the Last Judgement has started and the Last Judgement is going to work out through the Kundalini awakening and everybody is now trying to seek in some way or another, aah the whole pattern has worked out in such a way that the seekers are born at this time and they have a background too. They are not just seekers today. I mean you were as you know that, you were evolved, evolved from a unicellular animal and then now today you are a human being and there are people who are human beings otherwise also same way as you are but you are a category no doubt about it, there is a cateogry of people who are seeking, not out of fashion, out of just because in the atmosphere there are many people selling their tickets but you are doing it because there is something within you which forces you and impels you, compels you completely, which propels you, which makes you mad and you don’t know why, why, what’s the matter with us and at this time as you know, there are lots of things that have come up, as in the market one has to supply something plastic if there’s too much demand but as there is plastic there has to be something absolute, there has to be truth but what I find is this, that lots of words have somehow or other emerged out of all this plastic supply and these words are extremely confusing. From where do these words come in, for example cosmic consciousness is one of the very common words used, cosmic consciousness, from where does this word come in, from where do you get the idea of all these things and that also makes people quite vulnerable because they think this is the words they never heard about, something great, cosmic consciousness, oh great. All these words have come from the scriptures, it was fortunate or unfortunate, I don’t know, it can work out both ways. That it was said that after the Realisation you will get this, ?? little secret, it’s not so open so straightforward but still from all the scriptures, especially, the scriptures of the Eastern world we can say India, where the seers went very deep into themselves, kept it as a secret throughout, till the time of I would say Shankara Charia the sixteen sixth century, it’s quite modern for us in India. Never a word was there about Kundalini word was used except for Markendaya who was there long time back much before Shankara Charia but to people Kundalini was something unknown, something very much ? from the understanding of people. In the Vedas, you see the Primordial Mother was called as E E and that’s why Kabira has used this E means the state of E the Primordial Mother. All this has been said in the Vedas agreed and is said again and again and then in other scriptures like bible, koran, everywhere, it is mentioned that you are to be born again but one had to say that, now one says that, nothing was a primitive idea or a sort of a crude idea or some sort of an imaginary idea, it was absolute the truth, absolute? but when you just say even this much that you have to be born again, you see a very simple thing is that you are to be born again, these this people pick up this word, that you are to be born again, finished. They brand themselves as born again, twice born, just go about, there are cults and cults and cults who talk about that you will be getting your Self-Realisation, that this is Self-Realisation you must have, that this is Self-Realisation and then with that other things also come in like Cosmic Consciousness you achieve your Cosmic Consciousness. Now what is Cosmic Consciousness then? It’s not written anywhere in the scriptures clearly what is cosmic consciousness and it is very difficult for a seeker who is madly seeking not to get confused

6/4/1981

http://amruta.org/?p=6765

Improving The Spirit

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Public Program, Hampstead Meeting House, London (UK), 4 June 1981. We, on Earth, understand God with our earthly understanding. We understand Him through our mind, through our imagination, through our books, and other things where He’s described as such and such. There is a big mystery : God and His divine power. It’s a big mystery, mystery for all the human beings and you cannot conceive it, with your limited mind.The working of God’s divine power is also very mysterious. Whatever we call mysterious means that it is beyond our mind, we cannot conceive it in our mind. His power of love is very mysterious. What we think is love, is not the way He loves us. Or His power of compassion, His power of forgiveness, is extremely mysterious for us, because we are so imperfect. Because of our imperfection we cannot understand a person who is absolute who is perfect. When we see Him, we see through our imperfections, and that’s how we form our ideas according to our own imperfections about God. Say for a small little ant, if we have to convey the political issue that is facing Britain today, is it possible? Because for the poor little ant, it is not even conceivable that we have a mind which thinks, which has imagination, which projects like an octopus, goes all round, catches this, catches that. It cannot even understand that we have a kind of a freedom by which we can do what we like. The conception cannot be contained in that little mind or little head of that tiny creature. But the difference between an ant and a human being is, that ant has no ego.Now the problem with human beings is this [Shri Mataji smiles], that despite the same co-relationship, or we can say, despite the same parallels as a human being and God, and ant and man, to top the whole thing is the ego part, which in a way makes us even lower than an ant. Because our reception is so poor, that we cannot see that there must be something mysterious about God.God has to be a mystery for human beings. And to understand the mystery, we have to enter into a new realm, more than what we can really understand with this human awareness. There has to be another plane from which we should try to see this mystery, because we cannot understand anything about it, how He does it. I mean see now, in chemistry if you see the periodical laws that exist it’s fantastic ! Absolutely fantastic. Look at a little ameba, how it acts, and look at small animals who live in the rivers and who live in the seas. The number of creatures that are living harmoniously, not like human beings, but quite harmoniously, accepting each other’s demand, even on the life.So with this freedom, and such a big mystery and a big ego in between, it’s difficult for us to conceive Him, His greatness, His compassion, His love. That whatever He does, is for the betterment of our Spirit. Even if he kills someone, it is for the betterment of the Spirit. Even if He thrashes someone and throws him down many hills, it is for the betterment of the Spirit. When he puts you to problems and troubles, it is for the betterment of your Spirit. Anything that happens to you is a testing ground for the betterment of your Spirit. He’s working day in and day out just to improve your awareness in your Spirit, to feel your Spirit. Everything, the nature, the beauty, everything is working it out, so that you, the human beings, should feel His beauty, should know Him in your own awareness, should feel the vibrant love of God. For ages it has been worked out imagine! Since this world was created till today, with various Incarnations, who came on this earth to represent Him, to talk about Him, to work about Him, to improve our different centers within us. And then suddenly, when we are placed face to face we can’t believe that it can happen to us, which is a mixture of, I think, ego and superego, both. First of all we cannot believe ourselves that we are capable of getting Realization. And secondly, I think, that we are afraid to get Realization. Thirdly we do not trust anyone who talks of Realization. The third one is a good idea, not to trust anyone, but at least trust yourself, you start from that point. You trust yourself that you should get your Realization, otherwise why do you call you’re a seeker. You have to get your Realization, no doubt about it. But when it comes to trust, whom do we trust? 8:36 Say for example, when Christ said that, “God is My Father, He has sent Me specially to do this work,” we couldn’t believe it, this man a son of a carpenter talking like this, better crucify Him! And our compassion went to a confirmed thief, than to the adoration of the Son of God. Now when He’s dead, of course, He’s Son of God, there is Holy Ghost, everything starts, I mean, when He’s no more. Then people start believing. I don’t know why, even today they believe He was the Son of God. Why do they believe even the Holy Ghost? I mean even the Bible, why should we believe it? What is the authority of Bible? I mean, Islam can ask that question, a Muslim can ask a question: “What is the authority of the Bible. Why do you believe in Bible?” I mean, if you take out the Bible they say, “What is the authority?” They might say, “Christ is the authority.” But Christ never wrote Bible.So what is the authority is your own ego. You want to believe in it. You want to believe in it, that’s all. You want to believe in it. That helps you to sort out many questions. Because anything happens, you’ll say: “All right, it’s God’s wish.” Because we can use Him better when He was crucified. Before that we cannot use Him, because he was independent, He was living there. When He died it’s very handy so we accept Him, we do not question. So was that a mistake, for Him to say that He was the Son of God?Do you think it was a mistake that Christ said that He was the Son of God” Because of that He was crucified. Do you think it was a mistake that He said the truth about Himself? Would you say that? How, how can you justify Him saying that : “See, if He was crucified for that, then He was indiscriminate” one would say that: “To say such a thing, there was no discrimination; it was not wise to say, after all He would have lived longer, He would have spent better time with His Mother, He could have built a house or something like that.” He would have amassed some money or some sort of a very important thing He would have done.But there’s the mystery.That’s the mystery we do not know, because we want to see it from our angle and at a point we just give it up. We don’t justify, then we do not rationalize it, at a point we just give up, “Oh, it’s all right, He’s God.” We reach a point where we say, “All right, He was Son of God, let Him, whatever He wanted, He did. Whatever He thought proper. How are we to judge?” But now, not when He lived. I must say God is a mystery, but human beings are greater mystery than God- to me at least. I mean, they know how far to go and how to switch off, suddenly, to something, “oh that’s divine”. Up to a point they go on rationalizing, intellectualizing and then they say, “Oh that’s divine, finished.” None of you have seen Him walking on the water, did you? Nor He being resurrected, none of you have. So why should we believe that He did that? That’s the question we should ask ourselves.But He did, that He was the Son of God, but how are we to believe into it. We have to become something more to know the mystery of His life. Why He crucified Himself, why He accepted that life and why with all His powers, that He’s going to come to destroy the whole world now, why did He not destroy these people who were trying to crucify Him? What was the role He had to play in his lifetime? We cannot understand it with this human awareness, we have to become something more. And that’s why He again and again said, “You are to be born again.” How many of us think that we are to be born again, are we born again? We certify, many people certify, “I’m born again, I’m a Christian,” meaning born again, isn’t it? Musulman means the same, and Brahmin means the same, those who are born again. Now how are you born again, is again, a make believe, that I am born again, self-certification. Walking around with the certificate, that human beings giving the certificate to human beings.So where is the truth? But if you are ardently seeking the truth then the mysteries can be open to you. But you have to seek the truth, and truth, and truth alone and nothing else. If you want to live with your ego, go ahead, nobody can cheat you. When you start seeing your ego you have to know that this is not yourself, there’s something beyond. Because through ego, whatever you have known is all a chaos, all that knowledge that you got with ego is creating all the problems of the world. All the fears you have gathered through your superego is another disaster for human beings. There must be something that God must have put within us, some light, by which we can see something beyond our ego and superego. Unless and until that happens to you, you cannot understand the mystery of God and His love, you cannot understand. Human love has no depth to feel the depth of God’s love and His heart, is so self-centered, is so ego oriented. His heart has to melt, open, it has to melt completely and flow. This frozen heart is like an iceberg, has to be dissolved in the ocean of His love, otherwise you can never get to the depths of His love. Some people write to me, “Mother I am not in love with some and some and so how can I be happy with that person, that person will be miserable?” Now you are living with that person for years, your are having children from that person you don’t love. You don’t love anyone, you cannot love, you don’t know what love is. They fall into love, you see? Falling. [laugh]And some sort of a thing for them is love, I don’t know what is love for human beings, to be very frank I don’t understand. Here they fall in love and next day they’re out to the courts. And according to them falling in love is something, you see, out of the blue : “Oh! I’ve fallen in love, you see, oh, done.” I’ve yet to come across a person who has really fallen in love. Because as soon as something comes up, that companionship, and that love, that enjoyment of oneness vanishes. Heart has to melt. Hearts must meet where they have no stones in between, otherwise the stony hearts will just break each other. [Shri Mataji laughs] Imagine, two stones trying to meet each other, loving each other. How can they love? I can’t understand. It’s a big mystery that human beings know how to live with artificiality and with false beliefs, you see. They compromise, but Spirit does not compromise with it, I tell you, it does not. It forgives, because it loves. It just forgives goes on forgiving, forgiving, because it loves. And then it punishes also, because it loves and it destroys also, because it loves. Thus the Spirit has to shine through your Self Realization. Talking big about Self Realization, pay hundred rupees get your Self Realization, all this nonsense is at such a low level and such a horrid thing, that the beauty of His mystery is just left alone. You are in the chamber of a Satan to believe in these things.Here, in the Kingdom of God, there is forgiveness, there is love, there is compassion, there is understanding. There is complete all pervading assurances and a support, and a hand that wants to raise you. An anxious Father who wants to soothe you, to give you joy, to give you eternal joy. Can you think of someone like that in this world? He has problems, many problems. He has problems, but the greatest problem is that He cannot have a rapport with His own children. That He cannot give what He wants to give to His children, who have a heart, which has no emptiness in it, which cannot be filled like a cup with His love.Kundalini does that suction in our heart, no doubt. But first, She enters into the brain, into the limbic area, and then it proceeds towards heart. So this mystery is solved once we start engulfing our brain, our thoughts, our thinking, completely drenched in the showers of His Grace. Otherwise this spiky mind can never receive those beautiful dews of love which fall, these dew drops. You have to be a flower to receive it, a very soft, tender, receptive person. And then only the fruit appears when you mature the heart, heart of a saint, which is larger than all the oceans of the world. Such wisdom of enjoying one’s own love, just that love, that flows.This mystery, I wish all of you could achieve in this lifetime. Give up your ideas of judging something on gross levels. You have to become subtler. Try to enjoy things, do not be joy killers and you will get the benefit of this, in such immeasurable quantities. Try to receive, receive more of the grace, drench yourself with them, it's so soothing. It is the energy that sooths you. Can you think of an energy that sooths your mind completely, that gives you wisdom, that co-ordinates the whole atmosphere to make you happy? This Divine energy is all pervading, and to understand the mystery of that All Pervading Power, you have to become self- realized, you are to be born again, there is no other way out, and to mature after this rebirth. It's easy to make fun of someone, very easy, but what did you get all these days making fun. Now you are here to get really something substantial, better have it. Thank you very much. May God Bless. (DELETE Today I would request you to ask Me some questions, because there's such still time and would be better if you ask some questions to Me. Some questions, David, you shouldn't get so serious about it. What's the matter, are you not all right? You'll be all right you just put your left had up just like that. Left, no left I said. You see when they feel, you see) Doctors treat physically, psychologists treat mentally, others treat, I mean, as I said that, "There's one doctor for one hand and another for this eye. DELETE(Seeker interrupts) No integration and no understanding among themselves. Now, even I've seen that, psychologists when they treat patients, I mean really, they're putting their hands into a mouth of a serpent. They don't know how they're affected. They don't what happens to them. That's why they're so perverted. I mean Freud you can explain because, you see, he must have been contaminated with all kinds of problematic people, you know, very pathological people, and when these people come to you, you try to sort of cure them, you cannot, because they are absolutely off people, you see. But you try to build them up and this is all artificial sort of thing, you try with them. And what you do it to exchange that disease, or to also share it. And then, that's why this psychologist when, they write they look so abnormal, because they always meet abnormal people, they never meet normal people. So to them, you see everything, like Freud every thing is sex, I mean, any normal people would say, " Eh, what's that, how could it be?" So that's what happens with the patients, that's why I said could be your profession because you meet all kinds of people. Sometimes what we call very physical troubles are starting from the mental, very much I tell you, even cancer. You'll be amazed, that I have now treated many cancer patients and have not come across one of them, even one of them, whose problem doesn't start from the left side, meaning the mental problem. See you'll be surprised that cancer is, actually the base of it, is a mental problem. Now the doctors have said that they saw some proteins attacking and triggering cancer, and these proteins they call as protein 58, and some such names they give them. And these are living proteins they enter into us, into our awareness, and they live within us in areas, which are unknown to us since creation, they have said it now. But this I've said about at least ten or eleven years back. What are these areas, from where they come, how they attack us But this is the setting of thugs (?), and how the triggering takes place. DELETE seeker interrupts. Yes, there must be something that triggers it. But the left side is the side, which we call as the side, which has to do with our emotions. Now the trouble is, doctors also do not consider that left and right sympathetic nervous system are two different systems, they think they're one. I mean so far they do not know that they're absolutely two different systems and they work separately. But because they're so connected you see, that you feel that both are one, but they are not. In Sahaja Yoga you can find out, that they're two systems and they work separately, one is for emotions and another for physical and mental activities. And this must be the reason, you just put your left hand and you'll be better off I think, and your right hand like this. DELETE (Now new people who are they? Good. Did you feel any cool breeze? Did you feel any cool breeze in the hand? Mother converses with seeker about feeling the cool inhands.)I'll tell you what cool breeze is. When you become subtler personality, you see, it is everywhere, this is all pervading power. You don't feel it normally, but when you become subtler, then only this feeling starts coming in and that is the proof that you have become subtler. You must start feeling the cool breeze coming from here. That's the proof that you have become subtler, that means you are twice born according to us, because that is the sign of a realization. Now it's written in the Bible also that one feels the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, you see, cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. But Bible is a mystery of mystery, because first of all, they never allowed Christ to live long. I mean, he could only work for four years, can you imagine? Four years I was struggling with six Sahaja Yogis in London. Four years I was struggling with six of them. I must say Christ at least had twelve of them. He was better off. He could not though give them realization, he was a bit fed up, and this is what it is. And then to explain all the mysteries I mean, you cannot put your foot anywhere. See you don't understand there are limitations If they say anything everybody is sitting there, "You said so, all right catch hold of him. Did you say so, all right, listen?" As if you know, everybody is feeling attacked. There's such a lot of fear is in human mind is. That anybody says anything which is truth, they can't bear, can't bear the truth. In Sahaja Yoga also there are mysteries. Everybody doesn't know everything, in the beginning gradually they come to know. In the beginning everybody does not know everything because it's difficult for human beings to bear the truth. It's not that I have any fear from you. Like if you know anything about me I'll have any problems, because thank God, you cannot crucify me this time. But I have a fear about you because you'll be upset. You will be upset, not it's me, you will be upset, oh that's the truth. So the Sahaja Yogis are prohibited from telling much about me, better talk about Sahaja Yoga, Kundalini, this that, because people get upset about it. DELETE( Now just put you hands like this, just like this, put your both hands (inaudible) ) Now it's a spontaneous happening, has to happen. If it does not happen then there's a problem. And that problem is to be corrected, and there are ways and methods of correcting. Now, for that, you have first of all, to see where is the problem is. Now for those who are realized souls have got this flow of this energy in them. Now if they move their hand even like this they say, "Oh, they were doing hands like this." If they have to move, I mean supposing there's a screw that is to be driven in, you have to drive in the screw, isn't it? You have to do something about it. That is also objectionable for people you see, if you sit here transfixed if they try to do anything them people run away. We have had such horrible experiences of these, running away people. We call them Bhadaruyi in our language. Bhadaruyi means those who always run, take on the run, who are always on the run. That if somebody tries to raise the Kundalini also they say, "Oh," see these are mad people they just run away. They just want to hear what they want to hear. They have their own conceptions, and they want to see those conceptions being said to them, just pampering them. But that's not the truth. Somebody has to tell you the truth, and people are not willing for that. It's a big problem, to talk to people. They'll go on asking you questions after questions. Then what is this, then how is it, why is it Mataji alone, that's very common in England. "Why Mataji?" I said, "You do it please, for God's sake, I'll be very happy. I would like to retire." But why is it Me, better ask God Almighty, why is it Me? But if it is Me, I have to bear the cross, what to do. Why it was Christ? I mean, you could have been better that way, some people can say, that any one of you could have been better than Christ, could be, might be, but why not? So you come to the point, that you cannot explain everything in the beginning, if you do you get upset, people get upset. So just we say, "All right see now first of all let it be, first feel the cool breeze." If that cool breeze is there then we talk about it later, all right. So step-by-step we go. First of all you must feel the cool breeze. Otherwise the other day I was reading an article about because, these people have taken a bath or some bath they were sitting and meditating. So the lady had a big objection to the bath. I mean what is the harm, if they have to meditate in bath, what does it matter. If you meditate in a palace they will say, "Oh these people are all sitting in a palace, all right." If you are sitting in a bath they will say, "They are sitting a bath." What do you do, you hang in the air they say, "They were hanging in the air." I mean, you have to be something, isn't it? Like some of them have an objection, why should she be an Indian she could have been English, Baba, what to do, I became an Indian, I had to be something, isn't it? It's such a helpless condition. You don't know what to do with yourself. This is the problem and this what happens, that's why I say, you first get your cool breeze all right, then we'll talk about it. . Now this you cannot get by yourself, can you? You cannot. By thinking can you? No.. So you should get your cool breeze that's the first condition of Sahaja Yoga. If you do not get your cool breeze then you are not yet started understanding. This is the first thing that should happen you get your cool breeze, then maintain it, then go further, all right?. So we have to see if you are getting the cool breeze or not, then we'll talk about it later. DELETE (Are you? Not yet, what about you? Look at this visshudhi. So are you a Jew, no, or a Christian, which one? Are you doing a catholic or protestant? Everyone did some sort of mistake, no doubt. You can feel it here, you see, just feel your forehead here. You can feel with your left hand, here higher, see there's a lump. Is there, can you feel, that's it that's the problem. It will work out, just rub it, rub it hard. Are you better doctor, just put this hand, stiff your not well doctor, you have to have some treatment, all right.) You are not normal according to Sahaja Yoga and you need little treatment, all right. So I'll tell you what treatment we have to give you for this.) A seeker asks a question about raising Kundalini being dangerous and Sahaja Yoga This is, you see it would be dangerous for anyone to so something which they do not know. For example if somebody says, "Car driving is dangerous," would be for a person like Me, I've never driven a car, you see. Next moment you'll find Me sitting on a tree and the car in (Inaudible). [Shri Mataji laughs] Absolutely I tell you, I can't drive even one inch. So with such a person if I say car driving is the most dangerous thing, should you accept that? The same thing, somebody has to know the job. First of all it's a Divine work, it's the work of God Almighty. Such a person has to be a holy person, has to be a honest person, has to be divine, otherwise they never come. (?) If you are not a holy person, can you raise the Kundalini, which is the holiest of holy within you? She doesn't understand unholy people. She doesn't like them. So such a person has to be something that, that's why it's difficult for these people who want to make money out of Kundalini awakening. Like some people might say that, "To sprout a seed is the most difficult thing. You have to pull out the seed, you have to pull out the primule," but for a farmer, it is very common knowledge, that you put it under the mother's care. The Mother Earth looks after the seed, very simple, She knows the job. So one has to know the job, and those who do not know they try all kinds of tricks, which is unauthorized, unholy and sinful, that's why they suffer. But to Me it is Sahaja, to Me it is absolutely My nature. I'm a Kundalini addict you can say in modern terminology, or you can say that what else, I don't know what other words you use, I'm not so modern. But a sort of a - the whole attention in a person I have is of Kundalini. I don't know a person otherwise. The face wise I don't recognize people so much as I know from their Kundalini. So it's a different play into which we just go. After Kundalini awakening takes place, then your attention also becomes, you see, so subtle that you can see Kundalini around, you can. If there's a clear sky you can see Kundalinis around, you can. And you start seeing the Kundalini's of people and feeling it, I mean not with the eyes, but you start really feeling them, all around, you just go about like that. Like my own two grandchildren who have come now are realized souls. So today somebody came in and they came and told in my ears, that "This man has a bad stomach, ask him to go to bathroom." So I asked the fellow, "Have you got pain in the stomach?" He said, "Is terrible." Said, "You better go to the bathroom the girls are saying you'll be better off." And he had a big motion, he felt very much better. Now these two girls worked on the fellow, in such a miraculous way, he did not know. He said, "I was having a terrible pain, and when I came here it was even worse." They told me, and they're little girls one is nine and the other is about five, and they did it. Now there is a nice announcement that I would like to make, that we are having a nice music program on,( DELETE Gavin you tell about that,) pure classical Indian music which will be good, from Sahaja Yoga point of view also, because you can use these notes for transmitting vibrations, it's very simple to do that. (DELETE, and I would request all the Sahaja Yogis to attend this program and we're going to have dinner after that together. And I hope Koolie have you fixed the hall. So will you tell them Gavin what time it is and where. Gavins speaks about arrangements.) You see, this is just meant for Sahaja Yogis, because only the Sahaja Yogis can understand the value of this particular program, because it's more the notes, and the extension of these notes, and the permutations and combinations which we are going to work out. (DELETE so please ask all the Sahajs Yogis to attend it, from Brighton and all these places if they could come would be a good idea. As it is they come for Sunday program so I think it will be all right. So are you all right now? Seeker answers mother. ) No I know, you see. So I tell you it is true, you see, it's such a big book I read, such big book on Kundalini. And the fellow says, "Perhaps the Kundalini is in the stomach." I said, "Now what to do?" And because it is written down, it's a law. You see for people if it is written down it become a Vedas. They just can't talk to them. Said, "But in this book it is written in this." How much does it take to write? In the stomach he writes in such a big book. And a German, imagine, supposed to be very meticulous and truthful, writing such a big book, and saying that it is in the stomach. When I saw it I said, "And such diagrams, you can't imagine." All the diagrams of Gray's anatomy is there, everywhere, all sorts of diagrams there. I said, "This man what is he talking, God only knows." You see God is something everybody can use, anywhere. There's no law against it, do what you like. People have used God for their own purposes. (DELETE Is it working out? No. Good. Are you all right, are you feeling? Just you can feel it just see if it is not there on the head. May be a little hot there. Is it hot? Warm, all right it will cool down. It should cool down a little. Are you all right? Good. Are you?) Seekers asks a question about facing one's real problems.Now I'll tell you the answer to this very simple is. Say if you are in the water, and you see the waves coming into you, and you are frightened of them, but by some chance if you get into the boat, you can enjoy them, and you can see them. Now it's nice to say that when you are in it, you face them better, actually you do not, because you have no solutions. You have no solutions. And when you are above them, then only you can solve the problem. To give a very gross analogy we can say, you are going in a car, all right. And something is wrong with the car, you have to get out of it to see, you have to get out of it to see the problem clearly, to solve it. If you are in it, you are involved into it, you are biased, you are in fear, you are in trouble, you can never solve the problem. And then, it is even more dangerous because then you play into the hands of people who have vested interest. They may play about with it, and would like to use that to blackmail you, or to trouble you, or to torture you. But in Sahaja Yoga you don't have to tell Me anything. I mean, there are no confessions, I mean, there should be no confessions at all. What is the need to confess, because I know what's the problem is. But I know the problem, and the problem that is at the root of it, at the base of it, which has not yet taken the shape of an actual problem, but where it is really troubling you at the root of it. For example, before the thought rises in you, it is first stirred in the abstract, you see. In the same way the problem is in the abstract that comes to the gross. So if you can know the problem at the abstract point, you can cure it, in a much better way and improve it. But you have to get out of the problem to see it. Your mind has to be out of it to see it, to solve the problem. And then, when you are solving it yourself you are solving it through your ego or your super-ego. You have only two ways, either you solve it with your aggression or with your depression, there's no way out. But the Self has a power of enlightening the whole thing, like this room is in darkness for example. One way would be to clean this room or to solve the problem of this room, is to aggressively come inside, go like a bull in a china shop, do what you like, hit yourself and get out. Another could be, to be afraid of, see come here, get underneath some, one of the chairs sit there like a rat, and go off go of to sleep, and get out, thinking maybe that we have faced the problem. But you have not because there is no light and your eyes are not open. But when the lights are open, you walk in, you know what's the problem is, you clear it out. So one must have enlightenment. Without your awareness being enlightened, you cannot find out how to cure yourself, how to get out of the problems. Just see, anybody fighting a devil in the dark, you don't know whether you are fighting yourself or the devil. So light is important to see and that light is the Spirit. Seeker makes a comment about actualizing the Spirit. Actualize is the point, actualizing. Is not just talking about it, actualizing. No it is there, actually it is there, I can see it, it's there. It's to be actualized, and already God has placed within you this power, which is called as Kundalini, which actualizes it. Now why it rises, awakens, because something has to happen within you so that your attention is attracted inside. Once your attention is attracted inside then that attention gets enlightened. Once you get enlightenment you can feel your own centers and you talk in a way that people will say, "Mother my right Agna catching," means my ego. But they don't mind saying that, "Then Mother, I'm getting egotistical." They don't mind saying that, because they can see themselves. They might say, "Mother my center heart is catching," means your - I'm are feeling insecured,(sic) all right? It has to work our first, you can only have the value of this when you get it. You do not stand on the fence, just have it. Have you been able to solve your problems? Not so far. So better try this method. It is so dynamic that the problems do not exist. Your priorities change, then you start solving the problems of others, you become your own master. The situation where, somebody who is afraid of a car, then the somebody starts learning how to drive a car, and the driver teaching. Then somebody learning how to drive a car. Then after that, the master of the car, you become. You become the master of yourself. Complete master of all the problems, you become, and you play them just like a drama. That situation is very much close, then must you deny it? Tell your mind to understand, magnitude of your own capacities, which have not yet manifested, you see. They must manifest, you have to know that they have not yet manifested. They must fully manifest, you must find out meaning of your being, you must find out the role of your life, why you are here. (DELETE Better now David, now put your another hand toward me. The other one, Just (inaudible) will be better.) There're so many ways also to correct yourself in Sahaja Yoga, which you have to try later on. But at the first shot you get realization then you have to establish yourself, no doubt. (DELETE No question from any Sahaja Yogi so far. Gavin or someone.) They're beyond question, they're problem solved, David) I have to ask you one question, When are these journalists going to start writing something constructive? Otherwise, they are just waiting for some horrible things to happen, and to publish it. How to make these journalists understand, that the time has come, for them to write something that will not shock everyone. Actually we are under shock because we read newspapers, and the world is not that bad, human beings are not so horrid. There maybe one ripple here and there, but I mean, the way they make life so miserable that you find as if it's hiding here or there, everywhere. Why can't they think that they should publish also something that accomplishes joy and happiness? It's very difficult to understand this. Seeker makes a comment About people getting paid for printing bad news. But I must say that they must have found out also what they do with all this payment. You see, all they are having strikes, they are closing down most of the newspapers. That means it's not interesting. Seeker makes a comment about bad news selling.(DELETE Mother comments, they have.) One has to see why people do not like them very much now, because of this, people are fed up, even from their economics point of view. They should change their trend and their methods and give some good news, and some good things. Always bad news doesn't sell. Even this manager of this lady, she is such a, I can't understand the disgraceful things they are talking. No respect for (inaudible) (DELETE seeker interrupts and asks a question and Mother speaks in Hindi.) She is asking Me a question, "Does Kundalini passes through all the three nadis or one nadi?" It only passes through Sushumna but the grace flows onto these two. Yes, see the question? Different. She's the one. Question is at a different level, see. See the difference. Attention is somewhere else. So the new people, all of you have felt the cool breeze or not? I don't think you are feeling it, (inaudible), it has to be worked out. (DELETE what work do you do? Seeker answers that she is a theatrical agent. Theater. Um better now. Relaxed are you feeling in the hand. Good, this is remote control. Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi, and with seeker. Is she feeling, this lady who asked the questions, did you feeling any cool breeze. Just put your hands like this just a little bit, lets see. You've been to some spiritualist, never. What work do you do? Seeker answers Mother. "Office work," you have to forgive, you have to forgive, all right. Just say, "I forgive," that's all, just say, just see, in your heart. You say, "I forgive everyone," in your heart." (Mother speaks Hindi.) It's very subtle, keep your eyes shut, it's very subtle thing, so please pay attention to your fingertips. Pay attention to your heart, to your Spirit in your heart, and say that, "Am I the Spirit?" (DELETE Are you feeling, see now left hand. And you are relaxed, watch me without thinking, and just keep your eyes open, watch me without thinking. Hum, better, are you relaxed, are you thinking now? Just watch me again, better, still better. Yes, it is working out, you see, first day sometimes it doesn't work full way, but it does work out, is working out now, see. It's very subtle happening and sometimes it takes one or two days, three days, four days.) Seeker speaks. But what is the use of becoming that? No use becoming anything, you see you have to become the Self, that's all. All right, now keep your mind to that, that you have to become the Self, you have to become the Spirit. Don't put your mind to anything else. You cannot become anything else, but your Self, that's all. All that is myth, all right? To just become the Spirit, tell yourself, "I have to be the Spirit, I am the Spirit." You have to tell yourself it's important, that helps. ( Delete Ah, now, better, good.) May God bless you.

Public Program, Hampstead Meeting House, London (UK), 4 June 1981. We, on Earth, understand God with our earthly understanding. We understand Him through our mind, through our imagination, through our books, and other things where He’s described as such and such. There is a big mystery : God and His divine power. It’s a big mystery, mystery for all the human beings and you cannot conceive it, with your limited mind.The working of God’s divine power is also very mysterious. Whatever we call mysterious means that it is beyond our mind, we cannot conceive it in our mind. His power of love is very mysterious. What we think is love, is not the way He loves us. Or His power of compassion, His power of forgiveness, is extremely mysterious for us, because we are so imperfect. Because of our imperfection we cannot understand a person who is absolute who is perfect. When we see Him, we see through our imperfections, and that’s how we form our ideas according to our own imperfections about God. Say for a small little ant, if we have to convey the political issue that is facing Britain today, is it possible? Because for the poor little ant, it is not even conceivable that we have a mind which thinks, which has imagination, which projects like an octopus, goes all round, catches this, catches that. It cannot even understand that we have a kind of a freedom by which we can do what we like. The conception cannot be contained in that little mind or little head of that tiny creature. But the difference between an ant and a human being is, that ant has no ego.Now the problem with human beings is this [Shri Mataji smiles], that despite the same co-relationship, or we can say, despite the same parallels as a human being and God, and ant and man, to top the whole thing is the ego part, which in a way makes us even lower than an ant. Because our reception is so poor, that we cannot see that there must be something mysterious about God.God has to be a mystery for human beings. And to understand the mystery, we have to enter into a new realm, more than what we can really understand with this human awareness. There has to be another plane from which we should try to see this mystery, because we cannot understand anything about it, how He does it. I mean see now, in chemistry if you see the periodical laws that exist it’s fantastic ! Absolutely fantastic. Look at a little ameba, how it acts, and look at small animals who live in the rivers and who live in the seas. The number of creatures that are living harmoniously, not like human beings, but quite harmoniously, accepting each other’s demand, even on the life.So with this freedom, and such a big mystery and a big ego in between, it’s difficult for us to conceive Him, His greatness, His compassion, His love. That whatever He does, is for the betterment of our Spirit. Even if he kills someone, it is for the betterment of the Spirit. Even if He thrashes someone and throws him down many hills, it is for the betterment of the Spirit. When he puts you to problems and troubles, it is for the betterment of your Spirit. Anything that happens to you is a testing ground for the betterment of your Spirit. He’s working day in and day out just to improve your awareness in your Spirit, to feel your Spirit. Everything, the nature, the beauty, everything is working it out, so that you, the human beings, should feel His beauty, should know Him in your own awareness, should feel the vibrant love of God. For ages it has been worked out imagine! Since this world was created till today, with various Incarnations, who came on this earth to represent Him, to talk about Him, to work about Him, to improve our different centers within us. And then suddenly, when we are placed face to face we can’t believe that it can happen to us, which is a mixture of, I think, ego and superego, both. First of all we cannot believe ourselves that we are capable of getting Realization. And secondly, I think, that we are afraid to get Realization. Thirdly we do not trust anyone who talks of Realization. The third one is a good idea, not to trust anyone, but at least trust yourself, you start from that point. You trust yourself that you should get your Realization, otherwise why do you call you’re a seeker. You have to get your Realization, no doubt about it. But when it comes to trust, whom do we trust? 8:36 Say for example, when Christ said that, “God is My Father, He has sent Me specially to do this work,” we couldn’t believe it, this man a son of a carpenter talking like this, better crucify Him! And our compassion went to a confirmed thief, than to the adoration of the Son of God. Now when He’s dead, of course, He’s Son of God, there is Holy Ghost, everything starts, I mean, when He’s no more. Then people start believing. I don’t know why, even today they believe He was the Son of God. Why do they believe even the Holy Ghost? I mean even the Bible, why should we believe it? What is the authority of Bible? I mean, Islam can ask that question, a Muslim can ask a question: “What is the authority of the Bible. Why do you believe in Bible?” I mean, if you take out the Bible they say, “What is the authority?” They might say, “Christ is the authority.” But Christ never wrote Bible.So what is the authority is your own ego. You want to believe in it. You want to believe in it, that’s all. You want to believe in it. That helps you to sort out many questions. Because anything happens, you’ll say: “All right, it’s God’s wish.” Because we can use Him better when He was crucified. Before that we cannot use Him, because he was independent, He was living there. When He died it’s very handy so we accept Him, we do not question. So was that a mistake, for Him to say that He was the Son of God?Do you think it was a mistake that Christ said that He was the Son of God” Because of that He was crucified. Do you think it was a mistake that He said the truth about Himself? Would you say that? How, how can you justify Him saying that : “See, if He was crucified for that, then He was indiscriminate” one would say that: “To say such a thing, there was no discrimination; it was not wise to say, after all He would have lived longer, He would have spent better time with His Mother, He could have built a house or something like that.” He would have amassed some money or some sort of a very important thing He would have done.But there’s the mystery.That’s the mystery we do not know, because we want to see it from our angle and at a point we just give it up. We don’t justify, then we do not rationalize it, at a point we just give up, “Oh, it’s all right, He’s God.” We reach a point where we say, “All right, He was Son of God, let Him, whatever He wanted, He did. Whatever He thought proper. How are we to judge?” But now, not when He lived. I must say God is a mystery, but human beings are greater mystery than God- to me at least. I mean, they know how far to go and how to switch off, suddenly, to something, “oh that’s divine”. Up to a point they go on rationalizing, intellectualizing and then they say, “Oh that’s divine, finished.” None of you have seen Him walking on the water, did you? Nor He being resurrected, none of you have. So why should we believe that He did that? That’s the question we should ask ourselves.But He did, that He was the Son of God, but how are we to believe into it. We have to become something more to know the mystery of His life. Why He crucified Himself, why He accepted that life and why with all His powers, that He’s going to come to destroy the whole world now, why did He not destroy these people who were trying to crucify Him? What was the role He had to play in his lifetime? We cannot understand it with this human awareness, we have to become something more. And that’s why He again and again said, “You are to be born again.” How many of us think that we are to be born again, are we born again? We certify, many people certify, “I’m born again, I’m a Christian,” meaning born again, isn’t it? Musulman means the same, and Brahmin means the same, those who are born again. Now how are you born again, is again, a make believe, that I am born again, self-certification. Walking around with the certificate, that human beings giving the certificate to human beings.So where is the truth? But if you are ardently seeking the truth then the mysteries can be open to you. But you have to seek the truth, and truth, and truth alone and nothing else. If you want to live with your ego, go ahead, nobody can cheat you. When you start seeing your ego you have to know that this is not yourself, there’s something beyond. Because through ego, whatever you have known is all a chaos, all that knowledge that you got with ego is creating all the problems of the world. All the fears you have gathered through your superego is another disaster for human beings. There must be something that God must have put within us, some light, by which we can see something beyond our ego and superego. Unless and until that happens to you, you cannot understand the mystery of God and His love, you cannot understand. Human love has no depth to feel the depth of God’s love and His heart, is so self-centered, is so ego oriented. His heart has to melt, open, it has to melt completely and flow. This frozen heart is like an iceberg, has to be dissolved in the ocean of His love, otherwise you can never get to the depths of His love. Some people write to me, “Mother I am not in love with some and some and so how can I be happy with that person, that person will be miserable?” Now you are living with that person for years, your are having children from that person you don’t love. You don’t love anyone, you cannot love, you don’t know what love is. They fall into love, you see? Falling. [laugh]And some sort of a thing for them is love, I don’t know what is love for human beings, to be very frank I don’t understand. Here they fall in love and next day they’re out to the courts. And according to them falling in love is something, you see, out of the blue : “Oh! I’ve fallen in love, you see, oh, done.” I’ve yet to come across a person who has really fallen in love. Because as soon as something comes up, that companionship, and that love, that enjoyment of oneness vanishes. Heart has to melt. Hearts must meet where they have no stones in between, otherwise the stony hearts will just break each other. [Shri Mataji laughs] Imagine, two stones trying to meet each other, loving each other. How can they love? I can’t understand. It’s a big mystery that human beings know how to live with artificiality and with false beliefs, you see. They compromise, but Spirit does not compromise with it, I tell you, it does not. It forgives, because it loves. It just forgives goes on forgiving, forgiving, because it loves. And then it punishes also, because it loves and it destroys also, because it loves. Thus the Spirit has to shine through your Self Realization. Talking big about Self Realization, pay hundred rupees get your Self Realization, all this nonsense is at such a low level and such a horrid thing, that the beauty of His mystery is just left alone. You are in the chamber of a Satan to believe in these things.Here, in the Kingdom of God, there is forgiveness, there is love, there is compassion, there is understanding. There is complete all pervading assurances and a support, and a hand that wants to raise you. An anxious Father who wants to soothe you, to give you joy, to give you eternal joy. Can you think of someone like that in this world? He has problems, many problems. He has problems, but the greatest problem is that He cannot have a rapport with His own children. That He cannot give what He wants to give to His children, who have a heart, which has no emptiness in it, which cannot be filled like a cup with His love.Kundalini does that suction in our heart, no doubt. But first, She enters into the brain, into the limbic area, and then it proceeds towards heart. So this mystery is solved once we start engulfing our brain, our thoughts, our thinking, completely drenched in the showers of His Grace. Otherwise this spiky mind can never receive those beautiful dews of love which fall, these dew drops. You have to be a flower to receive it, a very soft, tender, receptive person. And then only the fruit appears when you mature the heart, heart of a saint, which is larger than all the oceans of the world. Such wisdom of enjoying one’s own love, just that love, that flows.This mystery, I wish all of you could achieve in this lifetime. Give up your ideas of judging something on gross levels. You have to become subtler. Try to enjoy things, do not be joy killers and you will get the benefit of this, in such immeasurable quantities. Try to receive, receive more of the grace, drench yourself with them, it's so soothing. It is the energy that sooths you. Can you think of an energy that sooths your mind completely, that gives you wisdom, that co-ordinates the whole atmosphere to make you happy? This Divine energy is all pervading, and to understand the mystery of that All Pervading Power, you have to become self- realized, you are to be born again, there is no other way out, and to mature after this rebirth. It's easy to make fun of someone, very easy, but what did you get all these days making fun. Now you are here to get really something substantial, better have it. Thank you very much. May God Bless. (DELETE Today I would request you to ask Me some questions, because there's such still time and would be better if you ask some questions to Me. Some questions, David, you shouldn't get so serious about it. What's the matter, are you not all right? You'll be all right you just put your left had up just like that. Left, no left I said. You see when they feel, you see) Doctors treat physically, psychologists treat mentally, others treat, I mean, as I said that, "There's one doctor for one hand and another for this eye. DELETE(Seeker interrupts) No integration and no understanding among themselves. Now, even I've seen that, psychologists when they treat patients, I mean really, they're putting their hands into a mouth of a serpent. They don't know how they're affected. They don't what happens to them. That's why they're so perverted. I mean Freud you can explain because, you see, he must have been contaminated with all kinds of problematic people, you know, very pathological people, and when these people come to you, you try to sort of cure them, you cannot, because they are absolutely off people, you see. But you try to build them up and this is all artificial sort of thing, you try with them. And what you do it to exchange that disease, or to also share it. And then, that's why this psychologist when, they write they look so abnormal, because they always meet abnormal people, they never meet normal people. So to them, you see everything, like Freud every thing is sex, I mean, any normal people would say, " Eh, what's that, how could it be?" So that's what happens with the patients, that's why I said could be your profession because you meet all kinds of people. Sometimes what we call very physical troubles are starting from the mental, very much I tell you, even cancer. You'll be amazed, that I have now treated many cancer patients and have not come across one of them, even one of them, whose problem doesn't start from the left side, meaning the mental problem. See you'll be surprised that cancer is, actually the base of it, is a mental problem. Now the doctors have said that they saw some proteins attacking and triggering cancer, and these proteins they call as protein 58, and some such names they give them. And these are living proteins they enter into us, into our awareness, and they live within us in areas, which are unknown to us since creation, they have said it now. But this I've said about at least ten or eleven years back. What are these areas, from where they come, how they attack us But this is the setting of thugs (?), and how the triggering takes place. DELETE seeker interrupts. Yes, there must be something that triggers it. But the left side is the side, which we call as the side, which has to do with our emotions. Now the trouble is, doctors also do not consider that left and right sympathetic nervous system are two different systems, they think they're one. I mean so far they do not know that they're absolutely two different systems and they work separately. But because they're so connected you see, that you feel that both are one, but they are not. In Sahaja Yoga you can find out, that they're two systems and they work separately, one is for emotions and another for physical and mental activities. And this must be the reason, you just put your left hand and you'll be better off I think, and your right hand like this. DELETE (Now new people who are they? Good. Did you feel any cool breeze? Did you feel any cool breeze in the hand? Mother converses with seeker about feeling the cool inhands.)I'll tell you what cool breeze is. When you become subtler personality, you see, it is everywhere, this is all pervading power. You don't feel it normally, but when you become subtler, then only this feeling starts coming in and that is the proof that you have become subtler. You must start feeling the cool breeze coming from here. That's the proof that you have become subtler, that means you are twice born according to us, because that is the sign of a realization. Now it's written in the Bible also that one feels the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, you see, cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. But Bible is a mystery of mystery, because first of all, they never allowed Christ to live long. I mean, he could only work for four years, can you imagine? Four years I was struggling with six Sahaja Yogis in London. Four years I was struggling with six of them. I must say Christ at least had twelve of them. He was better off. He could not though give them realization, he was a bit fed up, and this is what it is. And then to explain all the mysteries I mean, you cannot put your foot anywhere. See you don't understand there are limitations If they say anything everybody is sitting there, "You said so, all right catch hold of him. Did you say so, all right, listen?" As if you know, everybody is feeling attacked. There's such a lot of fear is in human mind is. That anybody says anything which is truth, they can't bear, can't bear the truth. In Sahaja Yoga also there are mysteries. Everybody doesn't know everything, in the beginning gradually they come to know. In the beginning everybody does not know everything because it's difficult for human beings to bear the truth. It's not that I have any fear from you. Like if you know anything about me I'll have any problems, because thank God, you cannot crucify me this time. But I have a fear about you because you'll be upset. You will be upset, not it's me, you will be upset, oh that's the truth. So the Sahaja Yogis are prohibited from telling much about me, better talk about Sahaja Yoga, Kundalini, this that, because people get upset about it. DELETE( Now just put you hands like this, just like this, put your both hands (inaudible) ) Now it's a spontaneous happening, has to happen. If it does not happen then there's a problem. And that problem is to be corrected, and there are ways and methods of correcting. Now, for that, you have first of all, to see where is the problem is. Now for those who are realized souls have got this flow of this energy in them. Now if they move their hand even like this they say, "Oh, they were doing hands like this." If they have to move, I mean supposing there's a screw that is to be driven in, you have to drive in the screw, isn't it? You have to do something about it. That is also objectionable for people you see, if you sit here transfixed if they try to do anything them people run away. We have had such horrible experiences of these, running away people. We call them Bhadaruyi in our language. Bhadaruyi means those who always run, take on the run, who are always on the run. That if somebody tries to raise the Kundalini also they say, "Oh," see these are mad people they just run away. They just want to hear what they want to hear. They have their own conceptions, and they want to see those conceptions being said to them, just pampering them. But that's not the truth. Somebody has to tell you the truth, and people are not willing for that. It's a big problem, to talk to people. They'll go on asking you questions after questions. Then what is this, then how is it, why is it Mataji alone, that's very common in England. "Why Mataji?" I said, "You do it please, for God's sake, I'll be very happy. I would like to retire." But why is it Me, better ask God Almighty, why is it Me? But if it is Me, I have to bear the cross, what to do. Why it was Christ? I mean, you could have been better that way, some people can say, that any one of you could have been better than Christ, could be, might be, but why not? So you come to the point, that you cannot explain everything in the beginning, if you do you get upset, people get upset. So just we say, "All right see now first of all let it be, first feel the cool breeze." If that cool breeze is there then we talk about it later, all right. So step-by-step we go. First of all you must feel the cool breeze. Otherwise the other day I was reading an article about because, these people have taken a bath or some bath they were sitting and meditating. So the lady had a big objection to the bath. I mean what is the harm, if they have to meditate in bath, what does it matter. If you meditate in a palace they will say, "Oh these people are all sitting in a palace, all right." If you are sitting in a bath they will say, "They are sitting a bath." What do you do, you hang in the air they say, "They were hanging in the air." I mean, you have to be something, isn't it? Like some of them have an objection, why should she be an Indian she could have been English, Baba, what to do, I became an Indian, I had to be something, isn't it? It's such a helpless condition. You don't know what to do with yourself. This is the problem and this what happens, that's why I say, you first get your cool breeze all right, then we'll talk about it. . Now this you cannot get by yourself, can you? You cannot. By thinking can you? No.. So you should get your cool breeze that's the first condition of Sahaja Yoga. If you do not get your cool breeze then you are not yet started understanding. This is the first thing that should happen you get your cool breeze, then maintain it, then go further, all right?. So we have to see if you are getting the cool breeze or not, then we'll talk about it later. DELETE (Are you? Not yet, what about you? Look at this visshudhi. So are you a Jew, no, or a Christian, which one? Are you doing a catholic or protestant? Everyone did some sort of mistake, no doubt. You can feel it here, you see, just feel your forehead here. You can feel with your left hand, here higher, see there's a lump. Is there, can you feel, that's it that's the problem. It will work out, just rub it, rub it hard. Are you better doctor, just put this hand, stiff your not well doctor, you have to have some treatment, all right.) You are not normal according to Sahaja Yoga and you need little treatment, all right. So I'll tell you what treatment we have to give you for this.) A seeker asks a question about raising Kundalini being dangerous and Sahaja Yoga This is, you see it would be dangerous for anyone to so something which they do not know. For example if somebody says, "Car driving is dangerous," would be for a person like Me, I've never driven a car, you see. Next moment you'll find Me sitting on a tree and the car in (Inaudible). [Shri Mataji laughs] Absolutely I tell you, I can't drive even one inch. So with such a person if I say car driving is the most dangerous thing, should you accept that? The same thing, somebody has to know the job. First of all it's a Divine work, it's the work of God Almighty. Such a person has to be a holy person, has to be a honest person, has to be divine, otherwise they never come. (?) If you are not a holy person, can you raise the Kundalini, which is the holiest of holy within you? She doesn't understand unholy people. She doesn't like them. So such a person has to be something that, that's why it's difficult for these people who want to make money out of Kundalini awakening. Like some people might say that, "To sprout a seed is the most difficult thing. You have to pull out the seed, you have to pull out the primule," but for a farmer, it is very common knowledge, that you put it under the mother's care. The Mother Earth looks after the seed, very simple, She knows the job. So one has to know the job, and those who do not know they try all kinds of tricks, which is unauthorized, unholy and sinful, that's why they suffer. But to Me it is Sahaja, to Me it is absolutely My nature. I'm a Kundalini addict you can say in modern terminology, or you can say that what else, I don't know what other words you use, I'm not so modern. But a sort of a - the whole attention in a person I have is of Kundalini. I don't know a person otherwise. The face wise I don't recognize people so much as I know from their Kundalini. So it's a different play into which we just go. After Kundalini awakening takes place, then your attention also becomes, you see, so subtle that you can see Kundalini around, you can. If there's a clear sky you can see Kundalinis around, you can. And you start seeing the Kundalini's of people and feeling it, I mean not with the eyes, but you start really feeling them, all around, you just go about like that. Like my own two grandchildren who have come now are realized souls. So today somebody came in and they came and told in my ears, that "This man has a bad stomach, ask him to go to bathroom." So I asked the fellow, "Have you got pain in the stomach?" He said, "Is terrible." Said, "You better go to the bathroom the girls are saying you'll be better off." And he had a big motion, he felt very much better. Now these two girls worked on the fellow, in such a miraculous way, he did not know. He said, "I was having a terrible pain, and when I came here it was even worse." They told me, and they're little girls one is nine and the other is about five, and they did it. Now there is a nice announcement that I would like to make, that we are having a nice music program on,( DELETE Gavin you tell about that,) pure classical Indian music which will be good, from Sahaja Yoga point of view also, because you can use these notes for transmitting vibrations, it's very simple to do that. (DELETE, and I would request all the Sahaja Yogis to attend this program and we're going to have dinner after that together. And I hope Koolie have you fixed the hall. So will you tell them Gavin what time it is and where. Gavins speaks about arrangements.) You see, this is just meant for Sahaja Yogis, because only the Sahaja Yogis can understand the value of this particular program, because it's more the notes, and the extension of these notes, and the permutations and combinations which we are going to work out. (DELETE so please ask all the Sahajs Yogis to attend it, from Brighton and all these places if they could come would be a good idea. As it is they come for Sunday program so I think it will be all right. So are you all right now? Seeker answers mother. ) No I know, you see. So I tell you it is true, you see, it's such a big book I read, such big book on Kundalini. And the fellow says, "Perhaps the Kundalini is in the stomach." I said, "Now what to do?" And because it is written down, it's a law. You see for people if it is written down it become a Vedas. They just can't talk to them. Said, "But in this book it is written in this." How much does it take to write? In the stomach he writes in such a big book. And a German, imagine, supposed to be very meticulous and truthful, writing such a big book, and saying that it is in the stomach. When I saw it I said, "And such diagrams, you can't imagine." All the diagrams of Gray's anatomy is there, everywhere, all sorts of diagrams there. I said, "This man what is he talking, God only knows." You see God is something everybody can use, anywhere. There's no law against it, do what you like. People have used God for their own purposes. (DELETE Is it working out? No. Good. Are you all right, are you feeling? Just you can feel it just see if it is not there on the head. May be a little hot there. Is it hot? Warm, all right it will cool down. It should cool down a little. Are you all right? Good. Are you?) Seekers asks a question about facing one's real problems.Now I'll tell you the answer to this very simple is. Say if you are in the water, and you see the waves coming into you, and you are frightened of them, but by some chance if you get into the boat, you can enjoy them, and you can see them. Now it's nice to say that when you are in it, you face them better, actually you do not, because you have no solutions. You have no solutions. And when you are above them, then only you can solve the problem. To give a very gross analogy we can say, you are going in a car, all right. And something is wrong with the car, you have to get out of it to see, you have to get out of it to see the problem clearly, to solve it. If you are in it, you are involved into it, you are biased, you are in fear, you are in trouble, you can never solve the problem. And then, it is even more dangerous because then you play into the hands of people who have vested interest. They may play about with it, and would like to use that to blackmail you, or to trouble you, or to torture you. But in Sahaja Yoga you don't have to tell Me anything. I mean, there are no confessions, I mean, there should be no confessions at all. What is the need to confess, because I know what's the problem is. But I know the problem, and the problem that is at the root of it, at the base of it, which has not yet taken the shape of an actual problem, but where it is really troubling you at the root of it. For example, before the thought rises in you, it is first stirred in the abstract, you see. In the same way the problem is in the abstract that comes to the gross. So if you can know the problem at the abstract point, you can cure it, in a much better way and improve it. But you have to get out of the problem to see it. Your mind has to be out of it to see it, to solve the problem. And then, when you are solving it yourself you are solving it through your ego or your super-ego. You have only two ways, either you solve it with your aggression or with your depression, there's no way out. But the Self has a power of enlightening the whole thing, like this room is in darkness for example. One way would be to clean this room or to solve the problem of this room, is to aggressively come inside, go like a bull in a china shop, do what you like, hit yourself and get out. Another could be, to be afraid of, see come here, get underneath some, one of the chairs sit there like a rat, and go off go of to sleep, and get out, thinking maybe that we have faced the problem. But you have not because there is no light and your eyes are not open. But when the lights are open, you walk in, you know what's the problem is, you clear it out. So one must have enlightenment. Without your awareness being enlightened, you cannot find out how to cure yourself, how to get out of the problems. Just see, anybody fighting a devil in the dark, you don't know whether you are fighting yourself or the devil. So light is important to see and that light is the Spirit. Seeker makes a comment about actualizing the Spirit. Actualize is the point, actualizing. Is not just talking about it, actualizing. No it is there, actually it is there, I can see it, it's there. It's to be actualized, and already God has placed within you this power, which is called as Kundalini, which actualizes it. Now why it rises, awakens, because something has to happen within you so that your attention is attracted inside. Once your attention is attracted inside then that attention gets enlightened. Once you get enlightenment you can feel your own centers and you talk in a way that people will say, "Mother my right Agna catching," means my ego. But they don't mind saying that, "Then Mother, I'm getting egotistical." They don't mind saying that, because they can see themselves. They might say, "Mother my center heart is catching," means your - I'm are feeling insecured,(sic) all right? It has to work our first, you can only have the value of this when you get it. You do not stand on the fence, just have it. Have you been able to solve your problems? Not so far. So better try this method. It is so dynamic that the problems do not exist. Your priorities change, then you start solving the problems of others, you become your own master. The situation where, somebody who is afraid of a car, then the somebody starts learning how to drive a car, and the driver teaching. Then somebody learning how to drive a car. Then after that, the master of the car, you become. You become the master of yourself. Complete master of all the problems, you become, and you play them just like a drama. That situation is very much close, then must you deny it? Tell your mind to understand, magnitude of your own capacities, which have not yet manifested, you see. They must manifest, you have to know that they have not yet manifested. They must fully manifest, you must find out meaning of your being, you must find out the role of your life, why you are here. (DELETE Better now David, now put your another hand toward me. The other one, Just (inaudible) will be better.) There're so many ways also to correct yourself in Sahaja Yoga, which you have to try later on. But at the first shot you get realization then you have to establish yourself, no doubt. (DELETE No question from any Sahaja Yogi so far. Gavin or someone.) They're beyond question, they're problem solved, David) I have to ask you one question, When are these journalists going to start writing something constructive? Otherwise, they are just waiting for some horrible things to happen, and to publish it. How to make these journalists understand, that the time has come, for them to write something that will not shock everyone. Actually we are under shock because we read newspapers, and the world is not that bad, human beings are not so horrid. There maybe one ripple here and there, but I mean, the way they make life so miserable that you find as if it's hiding here or there, everywhere. Why can't they think that they should publish also something that accomplishes joy and happiness? It's very difficult to understand this. Seeker makes a comment About people getting paid for printing bad news. But I must say that they must have found out also what they do with all this payment. You see, all they are having strikes, they are closing down most of the newspapers. That means it's not interesting. Seeker makes a comment about bad news selling.(DELETE Mother comments, they have.) One has to see why people do not like them very much now, because of this, people are fed up, even from their economics point of view. They should change their trend and their methods and give some good news, and some good things. Always bad news doesn't sell. Even this manager of this lady, she is such a, I can't understand the disgraceful things they are talking. No respect for (inaudible) (DELETE seeker interrupts and asks a question and Mother speaks in Hindi.) She is asking Me a question, "Does Kundalini passes through all the three nadis or one nadi?" It only passes through Sushumna but the grace flows onto these two. Yes, see the question? Different. She's the one. Question is at a different level, see. See the difference. Attention is somewhere else. So the new people, all of you have felt the cool breeze or not? I don't think you are feeling it, (inaudible), it has to be worked out. (DELETE what work do you do? Seeker answers that she is a theatrical agent. Theater. Um better now. Relaxed are you feeling in the hand. Good, this is remote control. Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi, and with seeker. Is she feeling, this lady who asked the questions, did you feeling any cool breeze. Just put your hands like this just a little bit, lets see. You've been to some spiritualist, never. What work do you do? Seeker answers Mother. "Office work," you have to forgive, you have to forgive, all right. Just say, "I forgive," that's all, just say, just see, in your heart. You say, "I forgive everyone," in your heart." (Mother speaks Hindi.) It's very subtle, keep your eyes shut, it's very subtle thing, so please pay attention to your fingertips. Pay attention to your heart, to your Spirit in your heart, and say that, "Am I the Spirit?" (DELETE Are you feeling, see now left hand. And you are relaxed, watch me without thinking, and just keep your eyes open, watch me without thinking. Hum, better, are you relaxed, are you thinking now? Just watch me again, better, still better. Yes, it is working out, you see, first day sometimes it doesn't work full way, but it does work out, is working out now, see. It's very subtle happening and sometimes it takes one or two days, three days, four days.) Seeker speaks. But what is the use of becoming that? No use becoming anything, you see you have to become the Self, that's all. All right, now keep your mind to that, that you have to become the Self, you have to become the Spirit. Don't put your mind to anything else. You cannot become anything else, but your Self, that's all. All that is myth, all right? To just become the Spirit, tell yourself, "I have to be the Spirit, I am the Spirit." You have to tell yourself it's important, that helps. ( Delete Ah, now, better, good.) May God bless you.

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“The Mystery of God”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 8 June 1981. Yesterday you all enjoyed the music and I was very happy, at your enjoyment. Music plays a very dynamic role in human life, one has to understand that. One of the mysteries I was describing to you, last time, also, created by naad, they call it ‘naad’, you can say the logos or the first sound, the Om, the Brahma. The sound, first time, the sound that was created, when the Primordial Mother, or the Primordial Power, of Divine Love, the Power of God, separated from God Himself. God was the Witness; Witness of the Play of the Divine Power. There is no difference between the two. God Almighty, and His Power are just like the sun and his rays. For us, for human beings, this is impossible to conceive the mystery. Moreover, in our ego, we think that we can understand Him, is another mystery for me. But, to me it's a very sweet thing to see human beings trying to comprehend the mystery of God. It's like a little child trying to understand the table work of his father; or could be much more. But this sound, the first sound, which is described as also ‘logos’ I believe, is the sound of this Primordial Power, of this Divine Power, that has created the whole universe. Now one may say that, “How are we to believe that this sound exists?” Of course, one should not believe. But whether you believe or not, it exists! So why not discover it. Instead of discarding something, why not discover it? Is a better way of looking at things. You should keep yourself absolutely open, and see for yourself if it is true or not. For any scientific man, it is important to be an open-minded person. If he is bound by some traditional ideas or some sort of old-fashioned ideas or some sort of hypocritical ideas, or fanatical ideas, such a person cannot be a scientist. For any scientist it is important to be a very open-minded man, objective and not subjective. You remain subjectively very controversial when you are not Self-realised. Before that every subject is a different subject. Someone likes a blue colour, someone like a red colour, someone likes a green colour. Someone likes to eat ice cream, someone likes to eat something else. Everybody is a different person subjectively. Some person like a blonde lady, someone likes with the dark hair, and everybody has a different idea. There's nothing like absolute among people, naturally, because they have not reached their absolute. So you are absolutely subjective. For music or for anything, whatever you like, is all subjective - colours. I was watching a TV for interior decoration once and I was amazed the colours they used, were so fantastic, so beautiful. I liked them very much myself, but I had some other people watching they said, “Horrid! They are absolutely horrid!” I said, “Then what colours you would like?” “Something grey.” Really? “Or something pale or insipid.” They didn't mean insipid but the colours they liked were insipid according to me. Because if you enter into a room with that kind of insipid thing, I mean you would really recoil back thinking, “Oh God what sort of people are living here?” But the ideas have changed quite a lot that people now think of warmth. I mean naturally they have avoided many colours which are not warm, which are dull. But still it is subjective depending on the conditioning of people. I mean for example Indians like a particular type of colours and English like another type; everyone likes different. So some absolute has to be found out. So everything that is subjective is useless for a scientist, no doubt, but scientists have not reached their absolute either. What they know as absolute also turns out to be not that - whatever law is said now. They said that everything moves, and goes on moving, like Newton's Law was; but Einstein challenged it. Some said that the things are made of atoms, then they came out with another theory saying, “No, it's made of molecules.” So you are also discovering something, challenging it, checking it, and understanding it. Whatever looks today the truth, may not look the truth tomorrow. So this is not truth. If the truth is changing, it cannot be the truth. There's something illusory about the whole thing because what you think today as the truth doesn't remain as the truth tomorrow. So there's some sort of an illusion that is working in between. Something you like in childhood, you may not like it in your old age. It's all the time changing. The subjective mood depends on so many things: your family, your treatment, your childhood, your parents, your relations, the country you are born in, the culture you are brought up in. Everything gives you this personality which has that subjective feelings or subjective understanding. Now the science confuses, confuses more when you see that whatever we have produced through science has not given us joy. Our hearts have become just like stones and we have created devils and devils and devils: like atom bombs and hydrogen bombs and this and that, and now we are frightened of them and we are fighting, “No more hydrogen bombs!” and “No more nuclear things!” and “We don't want nuclear weapons!” Who has created them? You have created them and now you are against it. Human beings are wonderful. They create something, and then they create an organisation against it. It's rather wasteful I think to go about like this. First you build up yourself and knock it down. Then again build up something else and knock it down. It's very frustrating and one feels so puzzled and confused. But truth is never confused. Truth remains the truth. It never changes. It is absolute - it is nitya. It is never changed. It remains the same. It may manifest in different forms but it never changes. And what is the truth? What is the truth? In very simple words, what is truth - that God loves us. This is the truth. That He created us because He loved us. It is His love that has created us. He looks after us. He protects us. He guides us. He gives us our evolution as a human being and then He gives us a higher status, higher consciousness by which we know His powers and the powers flow through you - [this] is the truth. This does not change. At monkey stage the truth was there, at human stage the truth is there. Whether you are a drunkard or a sinner or a saint, the truth remains that God loves you. He may punish you in His love - that's a different point. He may be angry with you in His love, but He loves you. Loves what? What does He love in you is your Spirit. The Spirit in you that sparkles. He sees that spirit. He tries to bring it out. For example, you see a diamond, and you see that it is lying in the mud - you lift it from the mud. You clean it, wipe it, chisel it, and make a beautiful diamond out of it. Anything that is created has had to go through some processes. In the same way, you have gone through your evolutionary process. But with what delicacy, with what understanding, with what love! Imagine, supposing you have to become a monkey suddenly, how would it be? Very painful! Won't it be? And extremely embarrassing too. (laughter) But we have come out of monkeys as they say, supposing we have. Then, it has happened without our knowledge, without any embarrassment. I mean imagine a monkey suddenly becoming a human being losing his tail, he must be feeling quite nervous about the whole stuff! That he cannot jump from trees to tree, he cannot behave like the monkeys do. I mean it's rather difficult, isn't it? And to create this beautiful thing called as human beings, without any pressure on him, without any effort on him, without any money load. Because these days interest rates are very high up! God knows, if He had charged you money like the gurus are charging you, to become human beings from monkeys to this stage I don't know how much you would have paid off! That's the thing is that He loves us and you can't understand His love, that His love is His own satisfaction. He loves you because He enjoys His love. His nature is to love. That gives Him completeness. That gives Him His own meaning. That is His play. That is His joy. And that's the only Truth. Everything may change in this world but that Truth remains. If you have this faith within you - that He loves you - despite the fact that you have had bad problems. It's all human beings who create problems for you, God doesn't create any problem for you. You do not know how much He looks after you. How many problems you have created for Him so that there is a barrier between His grace and you. People have created mountains and mountains between Him and themselves! They don't want to have Him. He's there to pour down all that He has and here such a big balloon of an ego carrying you through without receiving a single drop of that grace. So, we have to understand, that we are still children, and children have to behave like children. Not to say that we know everything. Actually you don't know anything, I would say, till you have got your Realisation. His love never changes. Then His love is victorious - victorious. It surpasses all the efforts of human beings to lose it. Everything we do, everything that is possible under the sun, to make Him unhappy, frustrated, angry with us. Whatever good He does to people, they will turn it into something nonsensical. Say for example, give them money: let them have some Lakshmi's prasad is to, let them have some money, some well-being, materially - that's the best way to ruin people. Give them money and they're out for breaking their heads. Absolutely! You give them the power. Any power you give them, political, economic and other sorts of, social - finished! They know how to break themselves, completely destroy themselves. The whole wisdom works out at destroying your attention and your holiness and your innocence, your beautiful being that has been created with such, tender care and love. This is supposed to be ‘freedom’ you know, - liberated. With this kind of mess it's rather difficult to make the children understand that you are destroying yourself so they have to have some shocks. You tell a child, “Don't put your finger in the plug!” But if you say, “Don't put!” Then that must go. It's a sort of a worm in the head! “Oh, they have said not to put? We must!” So they will put the fingers in there. You said, “Don't put it!” - still. Then again you say, “Don't put it!” Still. Then you say, “Alright, go ahead!” And then they get a shock! It can be serious, but what to do? They don't want to listen to you. I can understand children [being like that] and some very old people are like that, I have had very funny experiences of old people also. We had a gentleman here, a High Commissioner, long time back. Indian people have a speciality in appointing very old people as Ambassadors - shaking. I don't know! Americans also do that. And this gentleman was standing next to another gentleman whom we knew very well you see, so we went there and he said, “Meet Mr Gupta.” I said, “Look at that! This fellow's name is something else. Say his name was Varma for example. So he says, “Sir, I'm sorry, my name is Mr Varma.” He said, “What did you say? You mean I said wrong?” He said, “Not that sir, but my name is Varma.” So another fellow comes in. He says, “Please meet Mr Gupta.” He says, “Sir, I'm sorry my name is Varma.” He said, “Do you mean to say I'm telling it wrong? What do you mean by this?” “But sir but my real name is Varma. Everyone knows me." “Doesn't matter! Do you mean I am telling you wrong names?” Then another fellow comes in. He says, “Now meet Mr Gupta.” So the gentleman says, “But I know him, he's not Gupta, he's Varma. How do you say Varma?” “But because I say he's Gupta, you see.” In the same way [if] the children are obstinate it’s alright but what about the in-betweens? The people who are grown-up, who are mature, who do not suffer from senile decay, who are supposed to be sensible, at the helm of affairs, very responsible people - you see them and you don't know whether to put them as children or senile, where they stand. One can't understand their obstinacy and their stupidity! The way they deny all that is Divine, all that is beautiful and just run headlong, towards ugliness and unholy things, inauspicious. And then they end up with something tremendous that has no chance for them to return. Something horrifyingly powerful that engulfs them. So, for us it is necessary to understand, basically when you come to Sahaja Yoga, you must have your wisdom intact. If you have no wisdom it's going to be very difficult. I mean I have seen people, walking out of lunatic asylums and coming to Sahaja Yoga because the door is open to anyone who wants to come in. It's free too. I mean anyone who has no place to go anywhere, they come round here, or they go to some cinema show, they didn't get the tickets can come and sit down here also, for seeing. There could be all kinds of people coming down from all kinds of places but, though Sahaja Yoga opens doors to everyone, how much do you open your doors to Sahaja Yoga is more important. That is what is wanted, is the wisdom. Wisdom to understand that, we have not found the Truth, and we have to find it. And that must happen to you. There cannot be any brain-washing about it. There’s no other way, but the actual happening, the becoming. That has to take place. But you cannot demand anything here. No! It’s a humble asking for that happening. You have to ask for it. It is, to be judged, by your Kundalini awakening: how much time you will take, how far you can go. Without that, we just can't say. You see, there are people, “Can you give me realisation in five minutes Mother?” On the phone I hear the voice. I hear the vibrations! Oh God! I said, “Can you come tomorrow?” “Then will You give me in five minutes?” I said, “Then can you come day after?” I know I can't give him in five years! Because vibrations are horrid! I have to work, I have to work for that person. Then he calls me. I said, “Come along today my child.” “Mother, give me my realisation.” - it works out. It’s the attitude [that is] very important. If you have [an] aggressive attitude Sahaja Yoga doesn't work out. You are all welcome. You are welcome in my heart, there where the rebirth takes place, no doubt. But you should value the love of God, and should know that He loves you. And you have to be humble to receive it: that the grace should flow on you that, you should be gracious to receive it. Imagine you go to some place as a guest, and there a big dinner is laid down, and you go and with a big thump on the table and you say, “How dare you do this!” Then they'll say, “Some lunatic has walked in!” They’ll say “Oh, get out!” That's exactly what happens to many people who come down to us. In Sahaja Yoga you have to have a balanced - sainyata - balanced wisdom. Wisdom that gives you a balance. If you keep that for a month I am sure you will establish yourself fully and it will work out. It's your own, it’s for yourself. You have to have it. You have every right to have it. Agreed. Everything is yours but you have to have a little patience with yourself and respect and attention. This is very important. Then this brahmanaad I was talking about, this Omkara, is made of three powers within us A U M, and these three powers are called as Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati in Sahaja Yoga. These are the three powers that exist within us. Mahakali power is on the left-hand side, as you see, which comes from the right, comes down, is the power of desire. Right-hand side power, called as Mahasaraswati, comes from the left to the right, and the central one is the one called as the Mahalakshmi power which gives you your evolution. So you have a left-sided power, which is called as Mahakali's is the power of desire, the right side one is the power of action, and the central one is the power of evolution - the third one, the centre one. The centre one, is the one that has created you into a human being. This is the subtle power within us. But we have expressed them in the gross, that the left and right sympathetic nervous system, are expressed by left and right-sided power. And the parasympathetic nervous system is expressing the central path, called as sushumna - as far as we have achieved in our human awareness. So in our human awareness we have reached a particular point. To go beyond this, is the modern problem is the latest, the extra, what do you call that - ultra-modern. Ultra-modern problem is how to raise our consciousness to that point where we become one with our Selves, with our Spirit. Otherwise you have no meaning, no meaning to your life. You don't know why you exist. You may go to a hundred places, do what you like, you have to find out your Self. And that is done by the power within you called as ‘Kundalini’ which rests in the triangular bone, in the coccyx, in three and a half coils, and it rises through all these centres, six, which are placed above it, and gives you your baptism; where the Kundalini breaks through this point, called as ‘brahmarandhra’ in the fontanel bone area. And you achieve that, you become that - that collective being - so that you start feeling a cool breeze flowing in your hands and feeling the different centres. It’s the becoming. And the whole system starts changing, the priorities start changing and you start seeing the working of the Divine Power. That is love. Not the love that we understand [which] is limited but love that is emitting all the time, ceaselessly. The love that knows, the love that loves, the love that coordinates and cooperates and runs this whole world. That's the Truth. The rest is all falsehood, is all illusion. It’s that Power managing everything in this world. The rest of it is all a fake. That's what you have to achieve. That's how I hope you are here. May God bless you all Now. Any questions? I am sorry I am taking tea and you are not taking the tea! Any questions please? Any questions? Thoughtless! The Kundalini has risen above this. You cannot think of a question. That's the first trick I do. Kundalini has risen over. Because thinking is a horrid thing! You don't know where you go, like an octopus here, there, there, what you gather. Yogi: Mother would you please vibrate some lemons and chilies for me? (laughter) Shri Mataji: What is it my son? Yogini: He’s asking Mother if you will vibrate some lemons and chillies. Shri Mataji: Of course, of course. That I will do. Not just now. Just wait, I will do it later. Let me give them Realisation first. That's very interesting. That's another mystery. We have a new relationship in our family and there was a doctor, and his wife has been sick for the last eight years and she's very nervous and she's having lots of problems, this, that. So I told her, “Alright you get some lemon and chilies I'll vibrate it, and they'll work it out.” She said, “What? I've paid so much to the psychologist. I’ve been to this place and that place!” I said, “Only I need lemon and chilies but you have to pay for it. I can't pay for that!” She said, “Alright.” I said, “Now you try me.” So she brought it. In India it's very cheap you know, lemon and chilies. I vibrated and gave it to her. Next day she came up. “Oh God, what's happened? I'm perfectly alright. What did you do with the lemon chilies? What has happened, what's the mystery?” But her husband is a very fine man, a doctor. He said, “What is this? What is this magic? What have you done? I couldn't get this wife of mine cured all these days! We did every thing, operations, this that. How these lemon, chilies have cured?” I said, “Now I'll not tell you but later on.” Such simple things. That's the mystery. The vibrations: same thing. In Sahaja Yoga some things will sound very strange to people. For example when they give a bandhan to their aura. When they try to move their hands. Because from the hand, the power is flowing you see. So you put, a bondage to your aura, so that nothing negative comes to you. You see like this. Indians may understand it but not in the West. But I am sure [that] when Christ used to do like this, in the beginning, most of the people must be laughing at it. Not understanding what all this is. Or when they started doing namaz. Now everybody's doing namaz. Specially in London I think we are all becoming Arabic! That suits us better. I was surprised that there are schools and schools for all the executives to learn Arabic now. It's the money religion started. And when Mohammed Sahib started this thing, I mean, everybody used to make fun of him. It's complete Kundalini jagruti! Namaz is nothing but Kundalini jagruti it is. But these Muslims do they know? Or those who laugh at them? Nobody knows. Both are in the same boat, because one are doing blindly and another are just laughing at them blindly, again. Now the Hindus when they do puja and aarti do they know what they are doing? They don't know! They do it because traditionally they have been doing it. They don't know how they are giving bandhan. They don't know what they are doing, what is this movement is, nothing they know. But traditionally they are doing it. Whatever it is all these things have meanings. In Sahaja Yoga you know the meanings of everything. The meaning of these Incarnations like Prophets, like Krishna, Rama, Christ, Mohammed, Moses, every one has a great meaning in our lives. All that you discover after coming to Sahaja Yoga, not before that. Before Realisation nothing can be understood. But once you know, you know. Those who do not know should not laugh at people who know. On the contrary they should try to know and then laugh at them. Then they won’t! Then they respect each other and love each other. No questions there? Seeker: I would like to ask a question actually. I got my Kundalini awakened by another guru and I’ve been doing sadhana, but I feel like I’ve reached some kind of blockage and we’re not taught how to overcome these blockages at all and I just don’t know what I could do. Shri Mataji: How can they tell? Seeker: They told to just keep doing more. Shri Mataji: You see, that's the trouble with all of them. Naturally they have to keep some sort of a detective story going on isn't it, to sell in the market. They ‘know’, but they don't tell you, then why do you want to listen to them? You should not. You should ask them, “Please tell us.” For example somebody says, “We can fly.” “Alright, you fly for us!” You should ask. Nobody has said so far. Why don't you write letters to this gentleman who's teaching you ‘flying’. Tell him to drop himself from Leaning Tower of Pisa. (laughter) Yes, good idea! To all of them. You see those who say, “You’ll do this you'll do that.” You say, “You show us what you do!” But you do not. You go headlong. But the trouble is, oh God, the way you are impressed by this circus! How can there be a circus of God? It has no pretensions. It cannot have any pretensions. Seeker: I'm not actually doing TM. I'm following the teachings of... Shri Mataji: What were you doing? Seeker: I'm not actually doing TM practices. Siddha Yoga. Shri Mataji: Who is that one? Seeker: Swami Muktananda Shri Mataji: Ah! Does he look like a siddha? How can you believe him, now tell me? First of all. Now I'll tell you, I agree with you, but you people are so simple. So simple. You go into his ashram, you meet his disciples: poor things you know, they are good people, no doubt; lost, absolutely no doubt. But what have they achieved? All good people tossing their heads there. Have they known anything? Do they know anything about the Kundalini? Do they know how to raise the Kundalini? They know anything about the chakras? Nothing. Then how is it that you are also there? What I am saying is that these poor things do not know anything. Now you ask here all these Sahaja Yogis are sitting - they’ll tell you where is the catch. Even a child will say the same thing. Not necessarily [that] they should be very intelligent here, or something very developed. Any child will say the same thing as others will say because it's there on the fingers; they are all going to feel the same way. But if you go and see these horrid people! I mean they made the guruees and all these, what you call these, spoons around, we call them chamcha in our language, means the assistants you know, who made a big ado out of these big things. There's no direct rapport with this Muktananda! Horrible thing I say. How many people he has finished like this! They want money. Let them do smuggling! Why are they after all the saints? They want money that's what they want, nothing else. Their interest is money. But also they want to ruin the saints. They want to have it from the saints. Why don't they do smuggling, they'll do better, than many smugglers. That's their interest. You cannot purchase God. Have they transformed anyone? Why not see other people? Are they transformed? Are they relaxed? They all have blockages. And then they very nicely say, oh very good explanations they have. One of them came to me from this Muktanand, and he said that, “This guruji says, that, ‘You have got this blockage because of your purva karmas, the bad things you have done in last life.’ ” I said, “Really, and what did he say that you were in last life?” “He said I was a pig!” I said, “What bad things pig can do?” “He says might be a pig might have hit a human being.” I said, “I have not seen any pig hitting a human being. So what bad karmas a pig must have done?” I said, “This fellow must have been a real pig in his head to tell you that.” He doesn't even have intelligence to tell you that you were not a pig, but something that is aggressive at least he should have told you! And then you must clear out your karmas you see. So I said, “What does he do about it? Sitting down there taking money for what? If he cannot clear out your karmas then he’d better retire!” If you have to cleanse your karmas, then what is he doing there? I mean, imagine he has opened a shop, for repairs, and if you have to repair your things then why is he there? What is he doing? “Oh he says he can wash off our one sixteenth of the karmas.” Really? But why only one sixteenth? He can wash off all your money alright. And why only one sixteenth. But why do you believe these stories? They made a big mistake, the Christians I should say: they misinterpreted Christ. The message of Christ never reached India in time to say that somebody was born on this Earth, to take away all our sins. If He's awakened within us, all our sins can be washed out because He is sakshat Parabrahma, He is sakshat Shri Ganesh - purity Himself. If He's awakened within us, all our sins He can, suck in. These horrible Christians went there to convert Indians, and now Indians have come to convert you! That's what it is. Nonsense! It’s a very subtle action of negative forces - all anti-God. It has nothing to do with God. Christ is a part and parcel of God as Shri Ganesha is. There's no difference between the two. He incarnated on this Earth for this particular purpose. Every time you see this church service, “God came on this Earth, to die for our sins.” Alright then what are you doing about it? What does that mean? That means: if He's awakened within you, then He sucks all your karmas and your sins so-called. That's why these people give you these explanations. And nobody can tell them off because they start with one theory that side, that we have committed our sins, and that's why we have to pay for it. And here there are people, “We have done original sin, and for that we must suffer.” The Christians are suffering from where? I don't know. And there the Indians are saying that we are paying for our karmas, that's why we are suffering and here these are suffering. This is all nonsense, I must say. How God must be feeling about the people, who have been bestowed upon, by all His grace, by all His love, by all His beauty and are ‘enjoying’ the sufferings and announcing to the world, “We are suffering!” He wants to suck all your sins. What sins can you commit also, human beings? What sins can you commit? You tell me. What sins have you committed? Specially you the saints who are seeking God - what sins can you commit? Thank God in India the idea of sin is not so strong. In a village, Indian village, a pastor went there, and he told them something about Christ and something about, in their own way, he preached them something. And they didn't know what to say when he was going, for a farewell, to be kind to him. So they said, “Thank you very much for coming to our village and telling us what is sin. We did not know!” (laughter) What sins can you commit? You tell me. What sin? I am talking about Ocean of Love, Ocean of Forgiveness. Is He going to sit down and count your sins or He is going to count the days when you have to have your Realisation, you have to enter into His kingdom? He is your Father who loves you. Any father who loves does not sit down counting the sins of his children. He is just counting days and days just for His children to enter into His Kingdom to enjoy Him. What sins can you commit? And why are you suffering now? Christ did for you all the suffering. Now why are you suffering? That's why the Jews don't want to accept Christ because they say, “We are suffering.” And wherever they go everybody had to suffer because of them! But they want to a create a story [that] they are suffering now, because if they say, “We are not suffering,” means they accept Christ and that they don't want to say. Two thousand years they must suffer more, make everyone suffer with wars and things. Because they cannot accept Christ. So this kind of madness all over! I mean everybody is just the same. There's nothing to choose. It doesn't matter. Still Sahaja Yoga works out. Sahaja Yoga works out because, as I told you, there's one eternal truth: is that your Father, God Almighty, loves you. Remember that. Write it down everywhere so that you'll have confidence in yourself. Alright? I'll put this Muktananda right don't you worry! How much money you have given him? Seeker: Not very much. Shri Mataji: Dekhiye! Abhi dekh lijiye! Mahati, apne desh ke logon ki! Kitne rupiye khae in logon ka! (meaning: Look! Our country’s money collectors - how much money they have eaten of these people!) Put your hands like this, just now. Just put your both the feet straight on the ground. I see someone there! Hello, congratulations! I have been dying to see the baby! Can I have her! Oooh ho! This dolly little thing! I’m sorry I couldn’t come to see you in your house! Such a sweet thing as you are! Such a sweet thing! May God bless you. She looks like me! (laughter) Beautiful! I’ve been dying to see her! Beautiful! Born Realised. Great soul. Now the eyes have opened. Must put oil there, vibrated oil. May God bless you. Hmm. Now put your hands straight with both your feet on the ground. Close your eyes please. Don’t fix your attention anywhere. Don’t say any mantra or anything. Just leave your attention free. The Kundalini has to rise and break the Sahasrara, then you start feeling the cool breeze in the hand. Anybody having just a handkerchief for me? Just I forgot to bring I think. (5 minutes of silent meditation follow) Hmm! Better now? Why don’t you see these people who have come for the first time, from the back? Douglas, you organise! Close your eyes! Close your eyes! They’ll see from the back. Just close your eyes, just keep your eyes shut! They won’t touch you, you won’t know what’s happening. They’ll just raise your Kundalini. Alright? They will try to raise your Kundalini so don’t worry about them. Just they won’t touch you. They will know that you have got Realisation or not, where there are problems. You got it? Have you? Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hands? No? What’s the matter? Are you? Anna, just see. All here is Ekadasha Rudra - complete. Put a bandhan on it. Ekadasha Rudra. Complete. No, this way. Whole thing. They have got it, she has got it. This one has got it. They get it fast, lose it fast. He’s got front Agnya. Aaah! Ask him to put right hand on the heart. He’s got Vishuddhi. Just give a bandhan. Left Swadishthana he has got. Hmm? Void. Void is there. You can also do this, to raise Kundalini, once you have got Realisation you see. She’s got Void, she’s got Swadishthana, Vishuddhi. Haa! Right Heart. Ask him to put his left hand onto the Right Heart. Ask him about his father. Haa! Now? Better. Hands to be straighter. Ekadasha still. Work it out. Say the mantras. Heat was Ekadasha. Turn it around. Alright now? Hamsa he has. Left to the Right, just raise it. Other way round! He too has been I think to some guru. Ask him, he’s been to some guru. Ask him. All of them. Ask a question. Is he alright? Void! How is he? Agnya. How is he? Right to the Left. Not to feel guilty. Please don’t feel guilty. Say that, “I am not guilty.” Alright? Not to feel guilty at all. Is he alright? Are you alright? Alright, everybody feels that way, doesn’t matter. The one who is giving you also felt the same way so it’s alright. Haa! Now it’s alright. Alright? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Good, good. Your face is changed. Seeker: Very calm now. Shri Mataji: Yes, very true. Hmm. Ekadasha Rudra. Douglas?

“The Mystery of God”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 8 June 1981. Yesterday you all enjoyed the music and I was very happy, at your enjoyment. Music plays a very dynamic role in human life, one has to understand that. One of the mysteries I was describing to you, last time, also, created by naad, they call it ‘naad’, you can say the logos or the first sound, the Om, the Brahma. The sound, first time, the sound that was created, when the Primordial Mother, or the Primordial Power, of Divine Love, the Power of God, separated from God Himself. God was the Witness; Witness of the Play of the Divine Power. There is no difference between the two. God Almighty, and His Power are just like the sun and his rays. For us, for human beings, this is impossible to conceive the mystery. Moreover, in our ego, we think that we can understand Him, is another mystery for me. But, to me it's a very sweet thing to see human beings trying to comprehend the mystery of God. It's like a little child trying to understand the table work of his father; or could be much more. But this sound, the first sound, which is described as also ‘logos’ I believe, is the sound of this Primordial Power, of this Divine Power, that has created the whole universe. Now one may say that, “How are we to believe that this sound exists?” Of course, one should not believe. But whether you believe or not, it exists! So why not discover it. Instead of discarding something, why not discover it? Is a better way of looking at things. You should keep yourself absolutely open, and see for yourself if it is true or not. For any scientific man, it is important to be an open-minded person. If he is bound by some traditional ideas or some sort of old-fashioned ideas or some sort of hypocritical ideas, or fanatical ideas, such a person cannot be a scientist. For any scientist it is important to be a very open-minded man, objective and not subjective. You remain subjectively very controversial when you are not Self-realised. Before that every subject is a different subject. Someone likes a blue colour, someone like a red colour, someone likes a green colour. Someone likes to eat ice cream, someone likes to eat something else. Everybody is a different person subjectively. Some person like a blonde lady, someone likes with the dark hair, and everybody has a different idea. There's nothing like absolute among people, naturally, because they have not reached their absolute. So you are absolutely subjective. For music or for anything, whatever you like, is all subjective - colours. I was watching a TV for interior decoration once and I was amazed the colours they used, were so fantastic, so beautiful. I liked them very much myself, but I had some other people watching they said, “Horrid! They are absolutely horrid!” I said, “Then what colours you would like?” “Something grey.” Really? “Or something pale or insipid.” They didn't mean insipid but the colours they liked were insipid according to me. Because if you enter into a room with that kind of insipid thing, I mean you would really recoil back thinking, “Oh God what sort of people are living here?” But the ideas have changed quite a lot that people now think of warmth. I mean naturally they have avoided many colours which are not warm, which are dull. But still it is subjective depending on the conditioning of people. I mean for example Indians like a particular type of colours and English like another type; everyone likes different. So some absolute has to be found out. So everything that is subjective is useless for a scientist, no doubt, but scientists have not reached their absolute either. What they know as absolute also turns out to be not that - whatever law is said now. They said that everything moves, and goes on moving, like Newton's Law was; but Einstein challenged it. Some said that the things are made of atoms, then they came out with another theory saying, “No, it's made of molecules.” So you are also discovering something, challenging it, checking it, and understanding it. Whatever looks today the truth, may not look the truth tomorrow. So this is not truth. If the truth is changing, it cannot be the truth. There's something illusory about the whole thing because what you think today as the truth doesn't remain as the truth tomorrow. So there's some sort of an illusion that is working in between. Something you like in childhood, you may not like it in your old age. It's all the time changing. The subjective mood depends on so many things: your family, your treatment, your childhood, your parents, your relations, the country you are born in, the culture you are brought up in. Everything gives you this personality which has that subjective feelings or subjective understanding. Now the science confuses, confuses more when you see that whatever we have produced through science has not given us joy. Our hearts have become just like stones and we have created devils and devils and devils: like atom bombs and hydrogen bombs and this and that, and now we are frightened of them and we are fighting, “No more hydrogen bombs!” and “No more nuclear things!” and “We don't want nuclear weapons!” Who has created them? You have created them and now you are against it. Human beings are wonderful. They create something, and then they create an organisation against it. It's rather wasteful I think to go about like this. First you build up yourself and knock it down. Then again build up something else and knock it down. It's very frustrating and one feels so puzzled and confused. But truth is never confused. Truth remains the truth. It never changes. It is absolute - it is nitya. It is never changed. It remains the same. It may manifest in different forms but it never changes. And what is the truth? What is the truth? In very simple words, what is truth - that God loves us. This is the truth. That He created us because He loved us. It is His love that has created us. He looks after us. He protects us. He guides us. He gives us our evolution as a human being and then He gives us a higher status, higher consciousness by which we know His powers and the powers flow through you - [this] is the truth. This does not change. At monkey stage the truth was there, at human stage the truth is there. Whether you are a drunkard or a sinner or a saint, the truth remains that God loves you. He may punish you in His love - that's a different point. He may be angry with you in His love, but He loves you. Loves what? What does He love in you is your Spirit. The Spirit in you that sparkles. He sees that spirit. He tries to bring it out. For example, you see a diamond, and you see that it is lying in the mud - you lift it from the mud. You clean it, wipe it, chisel it, and make a beautiful diamond out of it. Anything that is created has had to go through some processes. In the same way, you have gone through your evolutionary process. But with what delicacy, with what understanding, with what love! Imagine, supposing you have to become a monkey suddenly, how would it be? Very painful! Won't it be? And extremely embarrassing too. (laughter) But we have come out of monkeys as they say, supposing we have. Then, it has happened without our knowledge, without any embarrassment. I mean imagine a monkey suddenly becoming a human being losing his tail, he must be feeling quite nervous about the whole stuff! That he cannot jump from trees to tree, he cannot behave like the monkeys do. I mean it's rather difficult, isn't it? And to create this beautiful thing called as human beings, without any pressure on him, without any effort on him, without any money load. Because these days interest rates are very high up! God knows, if He had charged you money like the gurus are charging you, to become human beings from monkeys to this stage I don't know how much you would have paid off! That's the thing is that He loves us and you can't understand His love, that His love is His own satisfaction. He loves you because He enjoys His love. His nature is to love. That gives Him completeness. That gives Him His own meaning. That is His play. That is His joy. And that's the only Truth. Everything may change in this world but that Truth remains. If you have this faith within you - that He loves you - despite the fact that you have had bad problems. It's all human beings who create problems for you, God doesn't create any problem for you. You do not know how much He looks after you. How many problems you have created for Him so that there is a barrier between His grace and you. People have created mountains and mountains between Him and themselves! They don't want to have Him. He's there to pour down all that He has and here such a big balloon of an ego carrying you through without receiving a single drop of that grace. So, we have to understand, that we are still children, and children have to behave like children. Not to say that we know everything. Actually you don't know anything, I would say, till you have got your Realisation. His love never changes. Then His love is victorious - victorious. It surpasses all the efforts of human beings to lose it. Everything we do, everything that is possible under the sun, to make Him unhappy, frustrated, angry with us. Whatever good He does to people, they will turn it into something nonsensical. Say for example, give them money: let them have some Lakshmi's prasad is to, let them have some money, some well-being, materially - that's the best way to ruin people. Give them money and they're out for breaking their heads. Absolutely! You give them the power. Any power you give them, political, economic and other sorts of, social - finished! They know how to break themselves, completely destroy themselves. The whole wisdom works out at destroying your attention and your holiness and your innocence, your beautiful being that has been created with such, tender care and love. This is supposed to be ‘freedom’ you know, - liberated. With this kind of mess it's rather difficult to make the children understand that you are destroying yourself so they have to have some shocks. You tell a child, “Don't put your finger in the plug!” But if you say, “Don't put!” Then that must go. It's a sort of a worm in the head! “Oh, they have said not to put? We must!” So they will put the fingers in there. You said, “Don't put it!” - still. Then again you say, “Don't put it!” Still. Then you say, “Alright, go ahead!” And then they get a shock! It can be serious, but what to do? They don't want to listen to you. I can understand children [being like that] and some very old people are like that, I have had very funny experiences of old people also. We had a gentleman here, a High Commissioner, long time back. Indian people have a speciality in appointing very old people as Ambassadors - shaking. I don't know! Americans also do that. And this gentleman was standing next to another gentleman whom we knew very well you see, so we went there and he said, “Meet Mr Gupta.” I said, “Look at that! This fellow's name is something else. Say his name was Varma for example. So he says, “Sir, I'm sorry, my name is Mr Varma.” He said, “What did you say? You mean I said wrong?” He said, “Not that sir, but my name is Varma.” So another fellow comes in. He says, “Please meet Mr Gupta.” He says, “Sir, I'm sorry my name is Varma.” He said, “Do you mean to say I'm telling it wrong? What do you mean by this?” “But sir but my real name is Varma. Everyone knows me." “Doesn't matter! Do you mean I am telling you wrong names?” Then another fellow comes in. He says, “Now meet Mr Gupta.” So the gentleman says, “But I know him, he's not Gupta, he's Varma. How do you say Varma?” “But because I say he's Gupta, you see.” In the same way [if] the children are obstinate it’s alright but what about the in-betweens? The people who are grown-up, who are mature, who do not suffer from senile decay, who are supposed to be sensible, at the helm of affairs, very responsible people - you see them and you don't know whether to put them as children or senile, where they stand. One can't understand their obstinacy and their stupidity! The way they deny all that is Divine, all that is beautiful and just run headlong, towards ugliness and unholy things, inauspicious. And then they end up with something tremendous that has no chance for them to return. Something horrifyingly powerful that engulfs them. So, for us it is necessary to understand, basically when you come to Sahaja Yoga, you must have your wisdom intact. If you have no wisdom it's going to be very difficult. I mean I have seen people, walking out of lunatic asylums and coming to Sahaja Yoga because the door is open to anyone who wants to come in. It's free too. I mean anyone who has no place to go anywhere, they come round here, or they go to some cinema show, they didn't get the tickets can come and sit down here also, for seeing. There could be all kinds of people coming down from all kinds of places but, though Sahaja Yoga opens doors to everyone, how much do you open your doors to Sahaja Yoga is more important. That is what is wanted, is the wisdom. Wisdom to understand that, we have not found the Truth, and we have to find it. And that must happen to you. There cannot be any brain-washing about it. There’s no other way, but the actual happening, the becoming. That has to take place. But you cannot demand anything here. No! It’s a humble asking for that happening. You have to ask for it. It is, to be judged, by your Kundalini awakening: how much time you will take, how far you can go. Without that, we just can't say. You see, there are people, “Can you give me realisation in five minutes Mother?” On the phone I hear the voice. I hear the vibrations! Oh God! I said, “Can you come tomorrow?” “Then will You give me in five minutes?” I said, “Then can you come day after?” I know I can't give him in five years! Because vibrations are horrid! I have to work, I have to work for that person. Then he calls me. I said, “Come along today my child.” “Mother, give me my realisation.” - it works out. It’s the attitude [that is] very important. If you have [an] aggressive attitude Sahaja Yoga doesn't work out. You are all welcome. You are welcome in my heart, there where the rebirth takes place, no doubt. But you should value the love of God, and should know that He loves you. And you have to be humble to receive it: that the grace should flow on you that, you should be gracious to receive it. Imagine you go to some place as a guest, and there a big dinner is laid down, and you go and with a big thump on the table and you say, “How dare you do this!” Then they'll say, “Some lunatic has walked in!” They’ll say “Oh, get out!” That's exactly what happens to many people who come down to us. In Sahaja Yoga you have to have a balanced - sainyata - balanced wisdom. Wisdom that gives you a balance. If you keep that for a month I am sure you will establish yourself fully and it will work out. It's your own, it’s for yourself. You have to have it. You have every right to have it. Agreed. Everything is yours but you have to have a little patience with yourself and respect and attention. This is very important. Then this brahmanaad I was talking about, this Omkara, is made of three powers within us A U M, and these three powers are called as Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati in Sahaja Yoga. These are the three powers that exist within us. Mahakali power is on the left-hand side, as you see, which comes from the right, comes down, is the power of desire. Right-hand side power, called as Mahasaraswati, comes from the left to the right, and the central one is the one called as the Mahalakshmi power which gives you your evolution. So you have a left-sided power, which is called as Mahakali's is the power of desire, the right side one is the power of action, and the central one is the power of evolution - the third one, the centre one. The centre one, is the one that has created you into a human being. This is the subtle power within us. But we have expressed them in the gross, that the left and right sympathetic nervous system, are expressed by left and right-sided power. And the parasympathetic nervous system is expressing the central path, called as sushumna - as far as we have achieved in our human awareness. So in our human awareness we have reached a particular point. To go beyond this, is the modern problem is the latest, the extra, what do you call that - ultra-modern. Ultra-modern problem is how to raise our consciousness to that point where we become one with our Selves, with our Spirit. Otherwise you have no meaning, no meaning to your life. You don't know why you exist. You may go to a hundred places, do what you like, you have to find out your Self. And that is done by the power within you called as ‘Kundalini’ which rests in the triangular bone, in the coccyx, in three and a half coils, and it rises through all these centres, six, which are placed above it, and gives you your baptism; where the Kundalini breaks through this point, called as ‘brahmarandhra’ in the fontanel bone area. And you achieve that, you become that - that collective being - so that you start feeling a cool breeze flowing in your hands and feeling the different centres. It’s the becoming. And the whole system starts changing, the priorities start changing and you start seeing the working of the Divine Power. That is love. Not the love that we understand [which] is limited but love that is emitting all the time, ceaselessly. The love that knows, the love that loves, the love that coordinates and cooperates and runs this whole world. That's the Truth. The rest is all falsehood, is all illusion. It’s that Power managing everything in this world. The rest of it is all a fake. That's what you have to achieve. That's how I hope you are here. May God bless you all Now. Any questions? I am sorry I am taking tea and you are not taking the tea! Any questions please? Any questions? Thoughtless! The Kundalini has risen above this. You cannot think of a question. That's the first trick I do. Kundalini has risen over. Because thinking is a horrid thing! You don't know where you go, like an octopus here, there, there, what you gather. Yogi: Mother would you please vibrate some lemons and chilies for me? (laughter) Shri Mataji: What is it my son? Yogini: He’s asking Mother if you will vibrate some lemons and chillies. Shri Mataji: Of course, of course. That I will do. Not just now. Just wait, I will do it later. Let me give them Realisation first. That's very interesting. That's another mystery. We have a new relationship in our family and there was a doctor, and his wife has been sick for the last eight years and she's very nervous and she's having lots of problems, this, that. So I told her, “Alright you get some lemon and chilies I'll vibrate it, and they'll work it out.” She said, “What? I've paid so much to the psychologist. I’ve been to this place and that place!” I said, “Only I need lemon and chilies but you have to pay for it. I can't pay for that!” She said, “Alright.” I said, “Now you try me.” So she brought it. In India it's very cheap you know, lemon and chilies. I vibrated and gave it to her. Next day she came up. “Oh God, what's happened? I'm perfectly alright. What did you do with the lemon chilies? What has happened, what's the mystery?” But her husband is a very fine man, a doctor. He said, “What is this? What is this magic? What have you done? I couldn't get this wife of mine cured all these days! We did every thing, operations, this that. How these lemon, chilies have cured?” I said, “Now I'll not tell you but later on.” Such simple things. That's the mystery. The vibrations: same thing. In Sahaja Yoga some things will sound very strange to people. For example when they give a bandhan to their aura. When they try to move their hands. Because from the hand, the power is flowing you see. So you put, a bondage to your aura, so that nothing negative comes to you. You see like this. Indians may understand it but not in the West. But I am sure [that] when Christ used to do like this, in the beginning, most of the people must be laughing at it. Not understanding what all this is. Or when they started doing namaz. Now everybody's doing namaz. Specially in London I think we are all becoming Arabic! That suits us better. I was surprised that there are schools and schools for all the executives to learn Arabic now. It's the money religion started. And when Mohammed Sahib started this thing, I mean, everybody used to make fun of him. It's complete Kundalini jagruti! Namaz is nothing but Kundalini jagruti it is. But these Muslims do they know? Or those who laugh at them? Nobody knows. Both are in the same boat, because one are doing blindly and another are just laughing at them blindly, again. Now the Hindus when they do puja and aarti do they know what they are doing? They don't know! They do it because traditionally they have been doing it. They don't know how they are giving bandhan. They don't know what they are doing, what is this movement is, nothing they know. But traditionally they are doing it. Whatever it is all these things have meanings. In Sahaja Yoga you know the meanings of everything. The meaning of these Incarnations like Prophets, like Krishna, Rama, Christ, Mohammed, Moses, every one has a great meaning in our lives. All that you discover after coming to Sahaja Yoga, not before that. Before Realisation nothing can be understood. But once you know, you know. Those who do not know should not laugh at people who know. On the contrary they should try to know and then laugh at them. Then they won’t! Then they respect each other and love each other. No questions there? Seeker: I would like to ask a question actually. I got my Kundalini awakened by another guru and I’ve been doing sadhana, but I feel like I’ve reached some kind of blockage and we’re not taught how to overcome these blockages at all and I just don’t know what I could do. Shri Mataji: How can they tell? Seeker: They told to just keep doing more. Shri Mataji: You see, that's the trouble with all of them. Naturally they have to keep some sort of a detective story going on isn't it, to sell in the market. They ‘know’, but they don't tell you, then why do you want to listen to them? You should not. You should ask them, “Please tell us.” For example somebody says, “We can fly.” “Alright, you fly for us!” You should ask. Nobody has said so far. Why don't you write letters to this gentleman who's teaching you ‘flying’. Tell him to drop himself from Leaning Tower of Pisa. (laughter) Yes, good idea! To all of them. You see those who say, “You’ll do this you'll do that.” You say, “You show us what you do!” But you do not. You go headlong. But the trouble is, oh God, the way you are impressed by this circus! How can there be a circus of God? It has no pretensions. It cannot have any pretensions. Seeker: I'm not actually doing TM. I'm following the teachings of... Shri Mataji: What were you doing? Seeker: I'm not actually doing TM practices. Siddha Yoga. Shri Mataji: Who is that one? Seeker: Swami Muktananda Shri Mataji: Ah! Does he look like a siddha? How can you believe him, now tell me? First of all. Now I'll tell you, I agree with you, but you people are so simple. So simple. You go into his ashram, you meet his disciples: poor things you know, they are good people, no doubt; lost, absolutely no doubt. But what have they achieved? All good people tossing their heads there. Have they known anything? Do they know anything about the Kundalini? Do they know how to raise the Kundalini? They know anything about the chakras? Nothing. Then how is it that you are also there? What I am saying is that these poor things do not know anything. Now you ask here all these Sahaja Yogis are sitting - they’ll tell you where is the catch. Even a child will say the same thing. Not necessarily [that] they should be very intelligent here, or something very developed. Any child will say the same thing as others will say because it's there on the fingers; they are all going to feel the same way. But if you go and see these horrid people! I mean they made the guruees and all these, what you call these, spoons around, we call them chamcha in our language, means the assistants you know, who made a big ado out of these big things. There's no direct rapport with this Muktananda! Horrible thing I say. How many people he has finished like this! They want money. Let them do smuggling! Why are they after all the saints? They want money that's what they want, nothing else. Their interest is money. But also they want to ruin the saints. They want to have it from the saints. Why don't they do smuggling, they'll do better, than many smugglers. That's their interest. You cannot purchase God. Have they transformed anyone? Why not see other people? Are they transformed? Are they relaxed? They all have blockages. And then they very nicely say, oh very good explanations they have. One of them came to me from this Muktanand, and he said that, “This guruji says, that, ‘You have got this blockage because of your purva karmas, the bad things you have done in last life.’ ” I said, “Really, and what did he say that you were in last life?” “He said I was a pig!” I said, “What bad things pig can do?” “He says might be a pig might have hit a human being.” I said, “I have not seen any pig hitting a human being. So what bad karmas a pig must have done?” I said, “This fellow must have been a real pig in his head to tell you that.” He doesn't even have intelligence to tell you that you were not a pig, but something that is aggressive at least he should have told you! And then you must clear out your karmas you see. So I said, “What does he do about it? Sitting down there taking money for what? If he cannot clear out your karmas then he’d better retire!” If you have to cleanse your karmas, then what is he doing there? I mean, imagine he has opened a shop, for repairs, and if you have to repair your things then why is he there? What is he doing? “Oh he says he can wash off our one sixteenth of the karmas.” Really? But why only one sixteenth? He can wash off all your money alright. And why only one sixteenth. But why do you believe these stories? They made a big mistake, the Christians I should say: they misinterpreted Christ. The message of Christ never reached India in time to say that somebody was born on this Earth, to take away all our sins. If He's awakened within us, all our sins can be washed out because He is sakshat Parabrahma, He is sakshat Shri Ganesh - purity Himself. If He's awakened within us, all our sins He can, suck in. These horrible Christians went there to convert Indians, and now Indians have come to convert you! That's what it is. Nonsense! It’s a very subtle action of negative forces - all anti-God. It has nothing to do with God. Christ is a part and parcel of God as Shri Ganesha is. There's no difference between the two. He incarnated on this Earth for this particular purpose. Every time you see this church service, “God came on this Earth, to die for our sins.” Alright then what are you doing about it? What does that mean? That means: if He's awakened within you, then He sucks all your karmas and your sins so-called. That's why these people give you these explanations. And nobody can tell them off because they start with one theory that side, that we have committed our sins, and that's why we have to pay for it. And here there are people, “We have done original sin, and for that we must suffer.” The Christians are suffering from where? I don't know. And there the Indians are saying that we are paying for our karmas, that's why we are suffering and here these are suffering. This is all nonsense, I must say. How God must be feeling about the people, who have been bestowed upon, by all His grace, by all His love, by all His beauty and are ‘enjoying’ the sufferings and announcing to the world, “We are suffering!” He wants to suck all your sins. What sins can you commit also, human beings? What sins can you commit? You tell me. What sins have you committed? Specially you the saints who are seeking God - what sins can you commit? Thank God in India the idea of sin is not so strong. In a village, Indian village, a pastor went there, and he told them something about Christ and something about, in their own way, he preached them something. And they didn't know what to say when he was going, for a farewell, to be kind to him. So they said, “Thank you very much for coming to our village and telling us what is sin. We did not know!” (laughter) What sins can you commit? You tell me. What sin? I am talking about Ocean of Love, Ocean of Forgiveness. Is He going to sit down and count your sins or He is going to count the days when you have to have your Realisation, you have to enter into His kingdom? He is your Father who loves you. Any father who loves does not sit down counting the sins of his children. He is just counting days and days just for His children to enter into His Kingdom to enjoy Him. What sins can you commit? And why are you suffering now? Christ did for you all the suffering. Now why are you suffering? That's why the Jews don't want to accept Christ because they say, “We are suffering.” And wherever they go everybody had to suffer because of them! But they want to a create a story [that] they are suffering now, because if they say, “We are not suffering,” means they accept Christ and that they don't want to say. Two thousand years they must suffer more, make everyone suffer with wars and things. Because they cannot accept Christ. So this kind of madness all over! I mean everybody is just the same. There's nothing to choose. It doesn't matter. Still Sahaja Yoga works out. Sahaja Yoga works out because, as I told you, there's one eternal truth: is that your Father, God Almighty, loves you. Remember that. Write it down everywhere so that you'll have confidence in yourself. Alright? I'll put this Muktananda right don't you worry! How much money you have given him? Seeker: Not very much. Shri Mataji: Dekhiye! Abhi dekh lijiye! Mahati, apne desh ke logon ki! Kitne rupiye khae in logon ka! (meaning: Look! Our country’s money collectors - how much money they have eaten of these people!) Put your hands like this, just now. Just put your both the feet straight on the ground. I see someone there! Hello, congratulations! I have been dying to see the baby! Can I have her! Oooh ho! This dolly little thing! I’m sorry I couldn’t come to see you in your house! Such a sweet thing as you are! Such a sweet thing! May God bless you. She looks like me! (laughter) Beautiful! I’ve been dying to see her! Beautiful! Born Realised. Great soul. Now the eyes have opened. Must put oil there, vibrated oil. May God bless you. Hmm. Now put your hands straight with both your feet on the ground. Close your eyes please. Don’t fix your attention anywhere. Don’t say any mantra or anything. Just leave your attention free. The Kundalini has to rise and break the Sahasrara, then you start feeling the cool breeze in the hand. Anybody having just a handkerchief for me? Just I forgot to bring I think. (5 minutes of silent meditation follow) Hmm! Better now? Why don’t you see these people who have come for the first time, from the back? Douglas, you organise! Close your eyes! Close your eyes! They’ll see from the back. Just close your eyes, just keep your eyes shut! They won’t touch you, you won’t know what’s happening. They’ll just raise your Kundalini. Alright? They will try to raise your Kundalini so don’t worry about them. Just they won’t touch you. They will know that you have got Realisation or not, where there are problems. You got it? Have you? Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hands? No? What’s the matter? Are you? Anna, just see. All here is Ekadasha Rudra - complete. Put a bandhan on it. Ekadasha Rudra. Complete. No, this way. Whole thing. They have got it, she has got it. This one has got it. They get it fast, lose it fast. He’s got front Agnya. Aaah! Ask him to put right hand on the heart. He’s got Vishuddhi. Just give a bandhan. Left Swadishthana he has got. Hmm? Void. Void is there. You can also do this, to raise Kundalini, once you have got Realisation you see. She’s got Void, she’s got Swadishthana, Vishuddhi. Haa! Right Heart. Ask him to put his left hand onto the Right Heart. Ask him about his father. Haa! Now? Better. Hands to be straighter. Ekadasha still. Work it out. Say the mantras. Heat was Ekadasha. Turn it around. Alright now? Hamsa he has. Left to the Right, just raise it. Other way round! He too has been I think to some guru. Ask him, he’s been to some guru. Ask him. All of them. Ask a question. Is he alright? Void! How is he? Agnya. How is he? Right to the Left. Not to feel guilty. Please don’t feel guilty. Say that, “I am not guilty.” Alright? Not to feel guilty at all. Is he alright? Are you alright? Alright, everybody feels that way, doesn’t matter. The one who is giving you also felt the same way so it’s alright. Haa! Now it’s alright. Alright? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Good, good. Your face is changed. Seeker: Very calm now. Shri Mataji: Yes, very true. Hmm. Ekadasha Rudra. Douglas?

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Public Program. Hampstead Meeting House, London (UK), 18 June 1981. So many people are seeking the Truth. This is only possible because we have reached the stage of our evolution that we do feel that there must be something beyond. We have tried everything before. Like today, I received a letter from a boy from Australia. He must have been to all the gurus of the world. What a seeker, I felt. What a seeker he was! To begin with, he did science, then did music, then did painting. He felt that he had not found any peace, any joy. And then he started going to different people, to find out, where does this joy lie. But even to be aware that there is something beyond, that we have to seek that joy itself, is very significant of these modern times. Modern times are highly blessed, I must say. Really very much blessed. It was never so before. Today I get another news from Brighton that archbishop of black magic has got Realization. I said, 'Oh, God'. I mean, just think of it! What a blessing that is pouring down. How can it work out that so good? I mean, when I was here, in the beginning, with six people studying for four years, when I think of it, [INAUDIBLE Hindi phrase?]. That means the time, the blossom time, is in its full bloom. Absolutely in full action. Now let us see what are we seeking and what God Almighty has done, nature has done for us. And why are we seeking? Why are we not satisfied with what we have? We have sufficient to eat; we are not starving people, we are not just surviving. But still, what makes us seek? What is there within us that has made us seek something beyond? It's better we understand ourselves, as I tell you about it. But I would request you to keep yourself open to what I say. That means, like a scientific approach towards the faith. That whatever I say to you is not to be accepted blindfolded, not necessarily. It won't help Me, either, that way. Blindness is not going to help, but to keep yourself open, so that we see something beyond, we feel something beyond. Like the hypothesis comes forward, like a theory. Even, say, the theory of relativity is still not been proved beyond doubt, but it is accepted. But the theory that God exists, and that you are a part and parcel of that great thing, and that you have within yourself a Spirit in your heart, can be actualized, can be actualized. And should be seen from that. If it can be actualized, it's the greatest thing that could happen to human beings. Within us lies, if you see here clearly - this is of course a hypothesis which you may not have heard about. Doesn't matter. Because all this research I'm talking to you about, or all these theories that are theory for you today may not be tomorrow, of course. But these are not the work of one day, or two days, but thousands of years. Of the nature that created human beings, and of the human beings, those who went into the search of the topic. Just like anything, I would say that, there is, say, gravity, existing in the Mother Earth. But it was found out by humans. So first it was created by some force, and was found out by human beings - in the same way, this all was created within us and was then later on discovered by human beings, who shut themselves away from the mundane research of the world, and the mundane things people are seeking. And then people themselves are trying to find out what are we here for. So it's the culmination today that is working out as en masse Realization. It's the culmination of all these people, and the culmination of all this knowledge. It is now being expressed, which is very rightly described in the Bible, in all the scriptures that at this time, it has to happen. The greatest of all was your great poet, William Blake, who has very clearly described these days. After Realization, you will know His importance. Perhaps in this country people have thought Him to be a visionary and some sort of a chemical action going in His head, that He saw all these things. But whatever He has said is coming true - every word of it. And to understand it you have to have this new awareness about which we are talking. So within us lie these three powers. The first one as you see as the blue one, which arises from the right side and goes down on the left side. This is the power that exists within us - is a very subtle power, which runs into our brain and into the [INAUDIBLE (biological term - maybe optic chiasma ?)]. And this power is the power we have got by which we desire. This is the power gives us our past preservation; by which we have our past intact; it manifests our past. All our conditioning and [INAUDIBLE - maybe superego ?] as Freud has put it - or, you can say, other psychologists - it is this part. This is not the whole; this is just a part, but as I say these psychologists are also - they are not the people who have seen inside. They are not seers. So, whatever they have said about human beings is partial. And that partial thing that they have described is that, is only one small[?] part which also they have not been able to enter into. Inside out, but outside [yet?], so they have not been able to understand it fully. So this is the past, this is the place where we condition ourselves and accumulate all our past experiences. That's how our personality's built; that's how our desires are built. So this is the power which gives us the desiring capacity. Now desire, as you know, is the desire of the heart, or you can say it's an emotional side of life. It's not complete; it's not - it's abstracted. It is we may desire for the, say, the cattle of a big lord, or somebody, but we may not get it at all. So the desire is more abstract. Then we have the other power, which you see there in the yellow color. Is the power by which we execute this desire. We work it out - is the power of action, by which we put it into action through our physical or our mental efforts. This one stands for our future: we plan to do it, and we think about the future, and is our mental and physical being which is looked after by it. The central power is the power of our evolution, by which we have evolved. The [SOUNDS LIKE CORRECTED TO Many] people say that we were monkeys, or we were amoebae, or something like that, but they do not know how could it be, why we became human beings like this. I mean, such a beautiful thing like human being: why it was created. What was the need to create, with such a lot of effort and such a lot of [planning out / scanning out?] - why this evolution took place? Science doesn't answer that "Why?"; it just says, "It is so." All right. They have found out that there has been evolution, and lots of things went out of the circulation of evolution. Out of this, human being came up, and he's the one who is standing on this earth as the real - we can say the ultimate - the culmination of evolutionary power. So this evolution has taken place through us in the central path, which we work the power of evolution; but its power comes to us by our sustenance. For example, a carbon atom has, say ... it's the tetravalent: it has four valences. Then the carbon atom starts attracting to itself H-ions and O-ions, and all these start creating a living cell. Now the living cell again goes into higher animals and higher animals till you become a human being. Now this process of evolution that is within us takes place because you have to become [SOUNDS LIKE Hindi word - samtay?]. I mean, you are not perfect. There must be some purpose to this evolution. The sustenance within us comes by different, we call it, Dharma. Is the sustenance, or in English language they say 'religion', but religion can make us frightened of ourselves. 'Religion' means 'your qualities'. Human beings have ten qualities. They have to have ten qualities, or ten sustenances. For example, gold is untarnishable; gold is untarnishable, and that is the quality of gold wherever you go. Carbon has four valences; in the same way, everything - the quality of a thing, of an element - in the same way the human being has ten qualities it has to have - maintain ten qualities. And once he has maintained these ten qualities, he can jump into the higher awareness where he has to reach. So these ten qualities are what we call, is the dharma. According to Sanskrit language is easier to understand [INAUDIBLE] dharma; means the one which is sustained within us is our dharma. Is not what X, Y, Z has told you, or anything that we are or anything, but it is absolutely innate quality a human being must retain within himself to be there. And this one is the central path which gives you this quality, by which you are a human. And you have those ten qualities established in you. Now this is what Nature has done for you: that Nature has given you these three powers now. And that Nature has brought you up to a point - up to the threshold - that you have to enter into a new realm of awareness. It's the work of Nature. Nature has worked out also these centers for you. Now these are seven centers basically like seven notes in the music. Basically. But there are twelve because they again make [INAUDIBLE same?] basically; and there are thousands of these centers within us, which are all worked out very carefully by Nature to be there. Now these - all these centers are there to give us a different help in different realms of our life. For example, for physical being, for emotional being, for our mental being, for our spiritual being, these centers are within us. It's a very great thing that is done by Nature. Apart from that, a very important thing has been done to bring forth this evolution. Is to send an aspect of divinity on this earth - an aspect of divinity on this earth to emancipate, to lead the people. To lead the fish, a fish came; to lead the tortoise, a tortoise came. To lead the human beings, also, a person like Christ came on this earth. They created these centers: for example, Christ has created the center that you can see there at the crossroad, here. This is the window of that. This is the window of Christ [INAUDIBLE arised?]. Now, if you don't mind, I'll talk about Christ. If there are Jews, they should know that Moses is very important too for us, because Moses is the one [SOUNDS LIKE opened up this green area for us?] (Mother pointing to Void area on chart?). So nobody should feel hurt if I talk of Christ. It's very difficult to [INAUDIBLE] in one lecture. But all of them are our leaders of our evolution. All of them are. Like Christ has said, "Those who are not against Me are with Me." Who are those? I mean they did not give Him time even to talk - the way He was killed in three, four years' time. Imagine for four years I was struggling for six Sahaja Yogis in London. In four years, what could Christ do? But crucifixion itself is a very big thing, which He was supposed to do, for a special purpose, by which whatever mistakes you have committed, or so-called sins, or whatever you have done against God, He came on this earth to ask for forgiveness for all of you. And for that He killed Himself, or crucified; got Himself crucified. There's no need: He's a very, very powerful personality. He's extremely powerful personality: in Sanskrit language He's called as Mahavishnu. And He has got eleven rudras, means eleven destroying powers, and He gives them to you later, also. Now this may be little odd to you to share, that Mother is saying all this about Christ, but we can prove it. It can be proved that it was Christ who came on this earth, on this center within us. Because when this power, which is going to give you your union, the power which is going to give you your Self-Realization, which resides in the triangular bone as you see, is the pure desire of God Almighty. The pure desire of divine power that you should get your Realization. It is not yet awakened - if it had been, you would have been realized. So it is called as residual because He has created the whole human being. Clearly it is sleeping: it has not manifested itself. And this power of Kundalini is the power you can see there, in the triangular bone, in three-and-a-half coils, sleeps for this awakening. And when She rises, when She comes up to this point and stops, we have to take the name of Christ, otherwise it won't rise. All these centers, which are governed by one of these leaders who came on this earth as human beings, to save us, to protect us, to guide us, to give us our sustenance, all of them are so important at different points that we have to find out at what point this Kundalini stops. With your naked eyes, you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini; with the naked eye you can see the rising of the Kundalini, and you can see the breaking of the Kundalini here. If you put your hand there, in the beginning you might feel a little throbbing, and the throbbing disappears. At that time, you'll start feeling in your hand a cool breeze blows - the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, as you can say - it's blowing off your hand. It's actualization. This is to prove all the Scriptures and all the Incarnations and all the Prophets who came on this earth. Of course also to prove those who are false, who have been false - when there is light, you can make out what is right and what is wrong. But is actualization that you become that; your awareness, [the love [in] that awareness? INAUDIBLE] that new dimension in your awareness, by which you can feel within yourself the power of God flowing through you as cool breeze. Someone may say it's psychological, or, "I'm amazed"; I think because people are too brainy; I mean a bit too much brainy. You have to be slightly less. Balanced with the heart. But doesn't matter - it worked with everyone now, so doesn't matter. Now, this idea that it can be psychological - let's find out. [And whatever is alone/ unknown?] is not divine. But that also can be proved: that it is divine. It's very simple - I don't know why people don't employ this method for finding out anything whatsoever. Once you have these powers flowing through you, you'll be surprised that it starts answering your questions. Like a computer. If you ask the question, for example, "Is there God?", you get a big blow of that [feeling?]. If you ask about a fake person, "Is he a real person?", you'll feel the breeze stop. Not only that, but you'll become collectively conscious, you'll become, like Jung has said, "You have to become collectively conscious in your next step of evolution." You become. Not by anything that, "You are all brothers and sisters, there should be no race, creed and religion". It just happens to you. [INAUDIBLE Praise God./Means what?] Even these children who are sitting here are born realized. They can say what chakras you are catching. They can just feel it and say it, what centers you are catching. Because on your fingers you have five, six and seven places. You can say what centers they are catching - I'm just here to decode it. Now I have decoded it; I have told you that this center means this. This center you're feeling guilty - this is very common now. Everybody's feeling guilty for nothing at all. [INAUDIBLE] I mean, should not be there! It's ocean of love I'm talking about, and what is there to feel guilty? What guilt can you have? What mistakes can you commit compared to God's love? So feeling guilty - "Oh, I should not have done this mistake" or anything; whatever I say, I don't know, I didn't say anything like that. But sometimes it happens, works out, that people start criticizing themselves and this center catches. It's called as left Vishuddhi, this side. They have spondylitis with that; they have problems on the neck; most of the people have problems in the neck. It's all due to feeling guilty - you'll be surprised. And this is very true, that you all can feel your own centers, and the centers of others. You will see your own power flowing. Of course maybe in the first shot you may not all get your Realization. May not. But don't get worried about it. Again, if you start worrying, it will not work out. Keep it open. It will work out. But once you get it you have to establish it a little bit; you have to understand. And you'll be amazed when you will know the [INAUDIBLE Laws?] of the Divine Power. [INAUDIBLE Hindi phrase or All that, then, that's ?], that's why Adi Shankaracharya said that this whole world is [SOUNDS LIKE Hindi word - Mica] - the whole world is absolutely false. Truth is only the Divine Power. [SOUNDS LIKE Brahmadra - this is the Brahmashakti [as you call it/ ?? power]]. And then you are amazed, how it works. And how it manifests itself through you. Oh, you think, "Oh, how could I? And after all you see, I am no good Mother. But how can it?" But it does. I mean, do you know thousands of years have been spent in creating you? How can you be something insignificant? The whole stage is laid for you, especially for seekers. But seekers are the realists; and the realists want/for? God's love. Don't start counting your sins, because, as I said, Christ, if He's awakened within you, He sucks in all your so-called karmas and your sins. This idea of giving you, "that there are karmas ...": many gurus stop there. "We have got karma and we must suffer, and we are just suffering". Why? Why should you suffer, when Christ has suffered for you? Why should you suffer? So we are sitting down and suffering, and writing stories of our suffering? Suffering is only one that you have not met your Self. That separation is to suffer. You have not yet met your own Spirit. Your Spirit has not yet manifested - is the only suffering you have. And once that happens, everything flows with the wind, and the wind flows, and you can feel that thing happening. The subject matter is too deep and very extensive. I don't know when will I be able to say that [INAUDIBLE]. No more. But it is very extensive. Today there are lots of new people, so I have said something which is basically needed to explain what is Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja: Saha means 'with', Ja means 'born'. It is spontaneous. Martin Luther said that, that it's a spontaneous happening. But the disciples of Martin Luther flouted it. Anybody who said anything, all these Incarnations, all these prophets, whatever They said, human beings know how to make a pickle out of it. See, they did it. Every one of them made such a mess of everything, I'm surprised, how can human beings think of making Them so dead and finished. Like the flowers on the trees: are so living and nice and spontaneous. But they pick them up as their own; they say "This is mine; this is mine". [Until?] they try on the same energy, of spontaneity. It is absolutely spontaneous. It has nothing to do with any doing or effort. Is absolutely spontaneous. Surprisingly, the word for effortlessness is also 'sahaj'. Spontaneous and sahaja is the same. Like, spontaneously we've become human beings. What did we do to become human beings from monkeys? Did we cut our tails? We didn't do anything like that - we just became. Spontaneously. What does a fruit do to become a fruit? Just the flower becomes a fruit. It's all built in - the whole map is built within us. This is a map that we have within us, which is going to give you your Self-Realization. It is your right to have it. Not only that, but the Divine is anxious to give you, I can tell you, very anxious. That's why there are so many seekers coming. Also, certain diseases like cancer and all that can only be cured through Sahaja Yoga; there is no other way out. Cancer is a 'blessing' of this, so-called, horrible modern times. And the cure of it also lies with the modern times. In the modern times, only, this en-masse evolution was possible. On the mental side, people are so maddened, so confused, so upset; suffering from so many troubles of the mind. I mean, every third person you find, he says, "Oh God, I've a fuzzy head." Tensions, and all these complications of the nervous systems and all that; they are all because we have not found our meaning. We have to find our meaning. Unless and until we are connected with the mains, we are not going to find the working of our being. So far, whatever we have been worked out as human beings was in our own idea that we thought, "I like this, and I like that." "This is good, that is horrid/not?." [But quite contrary?] there's no relief. But after you have found out your meaning, the Spirit, it's so universal that everybody will say the same, that, "This is correct and this is wrong." There's no difference of opinion. Everyone feels the same way. It's not out of love, as they say that "you love each other"; you just love - you can't help it. You are in it! You just drop down into the power of love of God. You just can't help it. You become that - you cannot help it. You have to do it. It becomes part and parcel for every one of us. And we don't have to sit down and think about love - it just pours and pours out of us, and pours and pours within us. What is God? Is nothing but love. His grace is His love; freely distributed and felt within ourselves. That He has created us into human beings out of His love. Because He is the most loving, caring and generous Father we have, who wants to bestow all His blessings upon us. And He is so anxious that you should enter into His kingdom: to adorn you with all His graces and [INAUDIBLE these things?] and all His overwhelming love. That [He's just built within / His just [INAUDIBLE] - it should happen to all of you. It should happen. I'm just a catalyst, you can say. Because I don't want your ego to come up. Some people do come up with ideas, saying that, "Why You, Mother?" I say "Now, [INAUDIBLE] you'd better be there in My place; if you can do it, I'll be very happy. It's a thankless job. You'd better do it. I would like to retire." But the trouble is, I'm meant to be there - just somehow I am put there, see, for this job. So, if this is My job, and you are put for this job, you shouldn't mind it. You can do it, the same. One enlightened light can enlighten another light. So it is not necessary to feel like, "Why Mother is the first?" Or somebody. It could be you. But He chose Me, somehow, I don't know what happened to Him, that He thought I would be the best to do this job. May be I have too much patience with people, perhaps, may be. Or, I have too much love. May be that. I don't know what it is that decided Him that I should take up this upon Myself. But, you should know that there's somebody who really, really loves you well, and that I can see that Spirit within you. I can see it. You don't see, but I see that star sparkling. And that's why I I've worked, day in and day out, that you should see that; you should feel that - and you should get your own powers, [INAUDIBLE and thoughts?] I think people can't understand anyone who could be like that. But I suffer from My own love, you know - I feel it is too much. And I don't know what to do with it. If you can understand it, it will be better for Me, and better for you. That there's somebody who just loves - just out of love. Everything is done out of love. And, for this, you should never talk of paying, and all that. It's very insulting. You can't pay for it. Must know that you cannot pay for love. You cannot pay for love. It is so invaluable. One should not even talk about it - it's insulting. So, I would request you to see that you get your Realization; to establish it properly; to understand what are the implications of it. And not to just deny it - because it is for you; for you, for seekers, this is the best. Because otherwise you'll be seeking all your life. You have to stop it at the point; you have to find it and get it. And those who get it will start thinking about it - you can't think about it; this is the [un-thinking?]. You become thoughtlessly aware to begin with. And once it pierces through here, then what can you do? Because, without any thinking, you have got it. By thinking, if you could get, then it would be the easiest to go into the library, sit down and think. But by thinking you cannot get it. It's a happening that takes place - it's a living happening. And everything within is done without thinking. That is what is to be understood. And whatever was possible in this short time I've been able to tell you, but, as I said, it's a very big subject. If you have any questions, I would like to answer them. May God bless you! [There is another one/ ??? because they are] born Realized. There are many children who are born Realized in this country. Surprising: in England, we have so many children who are born Realized. And I am sure people do not understand what Realization is. These children are going to suffer. These are going to suffer - we'll never understand them. Never. They talk in a different language, you know. [a section seems to be missing] MOTHER: I've seen the new line. The new horizon. And that's how you change. And laughing at things is natural, when you become - like, when they show Christ, hanky-panky like that; never believe such stories. He was a healthy, charming man with a very healthy face. He could carry a cross - I would challenge any wrestler of this country to carry such a thing. Such a powerful man, they show Him like a skeleton. Because they themselves are like that. So, no use feeling guilty about it. But doing something about it is important. And that's what is going to work it out. If you want to really help, [test /be placed??] with yourself; know yourself; know your powers. And once you are powerful you are so dynamic with your love that you can transform the whole world. You can. I know one gentleman, who came to Sahaja Yoga in India, in a village: he's transformed ten thousand people. And the poverty goes out - of course, you don't become like Mr Ford[?], who's running after money, and materialistic, but your problems get solved. It is said, in the Gita, that "[Sanskrit SOUNDS LIKE Yogakshe mohamya]" - "If you get your Realization - Yoga - then I look after your well-being." It is true; it happens. You won't believe. It happens that way. After all, from where does this wealth come in? From where all these bounties come in? Not money, but the rest of it. All that is fulfilled: you solve your problems. If you are standing in the water, and the waves are coming to you, then you are afraid of it. But, if you get into the boat, you can see that. And you can enjoy. Not only that, but you may be able to help others to get out of it. That is the situation. All right? Because whatever you have done by worrying, or feeling guilty, [SOUNDS LIKE which is nothing / or what is that]. So try a new method. At least try a new method. Any other questions? WOMAN: Do you advocate meditation? MOTHER: Yeah. But this is the idea of meditation is not the way we understand - is to sit down, cross-legged, for hours together, and be lost to the whole world; not that. I am in meditation all the time. You are in meditation. You cannot do meditation - you are in meditation. When you are one with the Spirit, you need not do anything like that. But sometimes you just want to look into yourself; you can just sit down and enjoy your Self, [it's better/ in spare time?] But not to waste your time sitting, arranging. I've seen people arranging - I have seen that, when they go into meditation, they arrange all the seats, this, that, get all the paraphernalia, and just think about what to put/cook? next. But here you are in that state - it's a state, meditative state, into which you are. So, you don't have to waste any time meditating - you are there! Just there! I think all these trees and all, they are meditating, aren't they? They are one with the whole. But we have lost our connection - deliberately, or some development within us. They do not know that they are in meditation, but you will know that. This is the difference. You'll be aware of it. Not that famous meditation, where people say they fly and this nonsense. See - the flying business is not [SOUNDS LIKE here on?] I don't know why people want to become birds. Or to become frogs. It's absurd - you have to become something higher. And it has to happen within - everybody has said, "You are to be born again." Now, what does that mean? [Dvijaha] - means 'born again'. Only two things are called as Dvija - first the one is a Realized soul, and another one is the bird. Like the egg has to become the bird - it has to become the bird. A new dimension altogether. All right? It's a state. Of new awareness. WOMAN: I was told it was a state that leads to Realization.[??] [obviously Mother heard something different but it does sound like that, but Her answer refers to 'danger'] MOTHER: No danger at all. How can there be any danger? It's all described about Kundalini, I know; you see, these people have written books on Kundalini - horrid! Absolutely horrid - take it from Me. They don't know where the Kundalini is - somebody says it is here, somebody says, somebody there. They don't know anything about it, and writing such big books, you see. Anybody can write anything about God. I'm surprised even Hitler used to talk about God, and even Napoleon used to talk about God; everybody talked about God. There's no law to forbid them. And these are the people most unauthorized. Kundalini is a very dear thing to you; She is the only Mother you have got, and you are the only child She has. And She's the holiest of holy. And She's looking after you. And She will mother you. She's not going to give you any trouble at all. Not at all. But, for example, now this archbishop of black magic, you see, he got his Realization, and then, when he went into his house, he started seeing things flying out from here, there, and all that, and he got frightened. But, you see, if you are doing such things, you see these spirits try to again show their temptation, you see; they try to create a temptation for you. For a while. But if you understand that you don't want all these things, they disappear. These are all temptations. They come to you a little bit, but not to normal people. I mean, if the Archbishop of Canterbury comes to Me, he may have some problems, but not you people. WOMAN: [Where do the other chakras come from/You mentioned the other chakras??] You said this is Christ's. MOTHER: Yes, there are many others. You see, all these chakras are there. The first chakra is down below - the first one is for innocence. The first thing that was created on this earth was innocence. And the second one is for our creativity. And the third one is for our evolution actually; the green one is for our evolution. The one that is higher is for our security, and the one here is for our collective consciousness. And this one is for forgiveness. And the last one is for our Realization. There are all the seven centers in the limbic area, which are integrated, and, when you get your Realization, all these centers get integrated. And because the Deities there are awakened and it starts working out its own manifestation. It's fantastic. Fantastic. WOMAN: So, actually it's a gift, is it? It's a gift. MOTHER: Yes, of course, it's a gift of God. WOMAN: You can't acquire it yourself; it has to be given by God. MOTHER: Yes, of course. But He's so gracious; He's anxious to give. That's the way God is. Even in taking gift, we think we should return; there's no return. It's just giving. It's just flowing. It's just giving - that's all. You cannot [INAUDIBLE run it?] in material way, that, "It's a gift. Supposing I give you something of £2; you give me something of £3." It's not like that. It's just giving, like the sunshine. It's a gift. Gift of God. We cannot demand it. We cannot demand it, but it works. If somebody's so gracious, won't it work out? Like the sun's rays you see - we may not demand it, but we can have it. But supposing you run away from it, and hide yourself somewhere and then say, "Oh, I didn't get any sunshine." Then you can blame yourself. You have to expose yourself. Just expose. Any other question? WOMAN: Is the meditation supposed to soothe the nerves, relax the nerves? MOTHER: Yes, it does relax them. Completely. You feel very relaxed, very, very relaxed. And blissful - absolutely blissful. You can prove even sometimes, see, when after Realization, then you must have felt it - a cool sort of [strange??] feeling coming up, and completely relaxed. That's His Grace. That's simply Grace. Relaxes, blissful. You become at least ten years younger next day. MAN: How does one achieve Realization? MOTHER: That's the point! That's what I'm coming to, now. That's exactly the point. This question had to come to Me. You have to just ask for it. So, we are all at that threshold to have it, isn't it? Will you please put your hands towards Me like this, just like this? And close your eyes. Put both the feet straight. Even if you don't want to put on the ground, you can put it there, but should be straight. Connected with the earth, somehow on the earth. Now put your hands straight, just straight. Again, to say, "I'm not guilty" is important, because all of you have this problem. So just say within yourself, that, "I am not guilty". Say it thrice. If you want to have Realization, then you must know that how can guilty people have Realization? You should not judge yourself. Who are you to judge? Let the Divine judge you. Just say, "I am not guilty". Just in your heart of hearts, say, "I am not guilty". For anything whatsoever. Close your eyes. Just say that. That's going to help Me a lot. Close your eyes, and just say, "I am not guilty". Close your eyes. You have to keep your eyes closed, because, when the Kundalini rises at the Agnya level, then if your eyes are open then it doesn't rise, because there is dilation of the pupils that takes place, you see? Please keep your eyes open [I think She says this, but it's a contradiction of what She has just said!] would be a better idea. Now watch your mind. You'll find there's no thought in your mind. When the Kundalini rises above Agnya, there's no thought. No thought at all. Got it. Just start getting the cool breeze in the hand. Just put the hands like this. See [INAUDIBLE]. Enjoy yourselves. Just don't think much. When you get it, don't think about it. Just leave it. It will work out. Just it will work out. Close your eyes. Just you put your hands. I'm working on there. You just put your hands straight, like that. Just enjoy yourselves. Those who have got it, just put your hands like this, and close your eyes. Put your hands on your laps, if you want to. If you have got the cool breeze, it's better to drop them. Don't start thinking about it. It should work out. It will work out - I'm sure it will. You have to forgive. You have to forgive. First of all, forgive yourself. Forgive yourself. That's very important, because, if you are the temple of God, you cannot have a temple which is all time thinking it's no good. You have to forgive yourself. You are the one who has to get Realization. So forgive yourself. Don't blame yourself for anything. Forgive yourself. That's very important. That's what I mean by saying, "I'm not guilty". Just forgive yourself. You must forgive yourself to begin with. Then, forgive others. Say it twice: "I forgive everyone". Just say that. Saying itself will help you. You'll feel very relieved if you say that. That, "I forgive everyone". Now, without feeling guilty, ask for forgiveness, if you have done any mistakes, "Forgive us". Just ask for forgiveness from God Almighty. Just ask for forgiveness. Without feeling guilty about it. When you are asking for forgiveness, you are forgiven, so don't feel guilty about it. Just ask, thrice. It will work out. Now, ask for your Realization: "Mother, give us our Realization". Just ask this within yourself thrice. Put your right hand on the heart. Right hand on the heart, and left hand towards Me. And now ask for forgiveness. One forgiveness has to be asked, that, "I've not paid sufficient attention to my Spirit". That's one forgiveness one has to ask. But not to feel guilty about it; that's one thing very important. SHRI MATAJI CONTINUES TO GIVE REALIZATION AND TO CORRECT PEOPLE'S VIBRATIONS, PARTICULARLY WORKING ON THE LIVER - "Thinking is the Liver"; "We have so much heat, we can supply to the whole of London!" MOTHER: And don't be that serious. It's the play of God, you see - it is just His play. We become so serious, you see. Children don't; they just play and throw it away. They're not bothered, they're not involved - they just play. That's how God is playing. I must thank Ruth for her kindness towards Sahaja Yoga, because she wrote such a nice article, you see. It could approach people, I hope, and the media will also take kindly to us, you see, because we don't pay any money or anything, so people don't take that much heat. [Mother still working on everyone] Hm, better; it's good. Close your eyes. Enjoy yourself. Just enjoy yourself. Now don't think about it. That's one thing: 'don't think' is the first mantra. Don't think about it; just enjoy. Because you'll drop it soon, if you think. Let it be established. It takes about seven/eight days to establish itself. So they will tell you what is to be done to establish. It's cooling down. Just allow yourself to drift into that, so that you enjoy it fully, as it's a very great impact. The first moment of Realization is very great, and you must remember it. Just enjoy it. Let it go, let it go. And become that. Allow yourself to be completely dissolved into it. So it becomes a beautiful memory in your heart, of your Realization point. Now don't wonder about the Kundalini, if it comes down, or anything - we know how to work it out. You have to sprout it first of all. You will also know how to work it out. Are you all right? Good! Close your eyes; go deep into yourself. This is your own depth; it is your own beauty. Just try to enjoy your own beauty. This is your Self - your Self is manifesting this. Just enjoy your Self. Allow it to work out. Don't doubt it - don't doubt yourself. After Realization, you really become master of yourself. And you can mould your life as you like. You can also feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, from the fontanel area. This is your baptism.

Public Program. Hampstead Meeting House, London (UK), 18 June 1981. So many people are seeking the Truth. This is only possible because we have reached the stage of our evolution that we do feel that there must be something beyond. We have tried everything before. Like today, I received a letter from a boy from Australia. He must have been to all the gurus of the world. What a seeker, I felt. What a seeker he was! To begin with, he did science, then did music, then did painting. He felt that he had not found any peace, any joy. And then he started going to different people, to find out, where does this joy lie. But even to be aware that there is something beyond, that we have to seek that joy itself, is very significant of these modern times. Modern times are highly blessed, I must say. Really very much blessed. It was never so before. Today I get another news from Brighton that archbishop of black magic has got Realization. I said, 'Oh, God'. I mean, just think of it! What a blessing that is pouring down. How can it work out that so good? I mean, when I was here, in the beginning, with six people studying for four years, when I think of it, [INAUDIBLE Hindi phrase?]. That means the time, the blossom time, is in its full bloom. Absolutely in full action. Now let us see what are we seeking and what God Almighty has done, nature has done for us. And why are we seeking? Why are we not satisfied with what we have? We have sufficient to eat; we are not starving people, we are not just surviving. But still, what makes us seek? What is there within us that has made us seek something beyond? It's better we understand ourselves, as I tell you about it. But I would request you to keep yourself open to what I say. That means, like a scientific approach towards the faith. That whatever I say to you is not to be accepted blindfolded, not necessarily. It won't help Me, either, that way. Blindness is not going to help, but to keep yourself open, so that we see something beyond, we feel something beyond. Like the hypothesis comes forward, like a theory. Even, say, the theory of relativity is still not been proved beyond doubt, but it is accepted. But the theory that God exists, and that you are a part and parcel of that great thing, and that you have within yourself a Spirit in your heart, can be actualized, can be actualized. And should be seen from that. If it can be actualized, it's the greatest thing that could happen to human beings. Within us lies, if you see here clearly - this is of course a hypothesis which you may not have heard about. Doesn't matter. Because all this research I'm talking to you about, or all these theories that are theory for you today may not be tomorrow, of course. But these are not the work of one day, or two days, but thousands of years. Of the nature that created human beings, and of the human beings, those who went into the search of the topic. Just like anything, I would say that, there is, say, gravity, existing in the Mother Earth. But it was found out by humans. So first it was created by some force, and was found out by human beings - in the same way, this all was created within us and was then later on discovered by human beings, who shut themselves away from the mundane research of the world, and the mundane things people are seeking. And then people themselves are trying to find out what are we here for. So it's the culmination today that is working out as en masse Realization. It's the culmination of all these people, and the culmination of all this knowledge. It is now being expressed, which is very rightly described in the Bible, in all the scriptures that at this time, it has to happen. The greatest of all was your great poet, William Blake, who has very clearly described these days. After Realization, you will know His importance. Perhaps in this country people have thought Him to be a visionary and some sort of a chemical action going in His head, that He saw all these things. But whatever He has said is coming true - every word of it. And to understand it you have to have this new awareness about which we are talking. So within us lie these three powers. The first one as you see as the blue one, which arises from the right side and goes down on the left side. This is the power that exists within us - is a very subtle power, which runs into our brain and into the [INAUDIBLE (biological term - maybe optic chiasma ?)]. And this power is the power we have got by which we desire. This is the power gives us our past preservation; by which we have our past intact; it manifests our past. All our conditioning and [INAUDIBLE - maybe superego ?] as Freud has put it - or, you can say, other psychologists - it is this part. This is not the whole; this is just a part, but as I say these psychologists are also - they are not the people who have seen inside. They are not seers. So, whatever they have said about human beings is partial. And that partial thing that they have described is that, is only one small[?] part which also they have not been able to enter into. Inside out, but outside [yet?], so they have not been able to understand it fully. So this is the past, this is the place where we condition ourselves and accumulate all our past experiences. That's how our personality's built; that's how our desires are built. So this is the power which gives us the desiring capacity. Now desire, as you know, is the desire of the heart, or you can say it's an emotional side of life. It's not complete; it's not - it's abstracted. It is we may desire for the, say, the cattle of a big lord, or somebody, but we may not get it at all. So the desire is more abstract. Then we have the other power, which you see there in the yellow color. Is the power by which we execute this desire. We work it out - is the power of action, by which we put it into action through our physical or our mental efforts. This one stands for our future: we plan to do it, and we think about the future, and is our mental and physical being which is looked after by it. The central power is the power of our evolution, by which we have evolved. The [SOUNDS LIKE CORRECTED TO Many] people say that we were monkeys, or we were amoebae, or something like that, but they do not know how could it be, why we became human beings like this. I mean, such a beautiful thing like human being: why it was created. What was the need to create, with such a lot of effort and such a lot of [planning out / scanning out?] - why this evolution took place? Science doesn't answer that "Why?"; it just says, "It is so." All right. They have found out that there has been evolution, and lots of things went out of the circulation of evolution. Out of this, human being came up, and he's the one who is standing on this earth as the real - we can say the ultimate - the culmination of evolutionary power. So this evolution has taken place through us in the central path, which we work the power of evolution; but its power comes to us by our sustenance. For example, a carbon atom has, say ... it's the tetravalent: it has four valences. Then the carbon atom starts attracting to itself H-ions and O-ions, and all these start creating a living cell. Now the living cell again goes into higher animals and higher animals till you become a human being. Now this process of evolution that is within us takes place because you have to become [SOUNDS LIKE Hindi word - samtay?]. I mean, you are not perfect. There must be some purpose to this evolution. The sustenance within us comes by different, we call it, Dharma. Is the sustenance, or in English language they say 'religion', but religion can make us frightened of ourselves. 'Religion' means 'your qualities'. Human beings have ten qualities. They have to have ten qualities, or ten sustenances. For example, gold is untarnishable; gold is untarnishable, and that is the quality of gold wherever you go. Carbon has four valences; in the same way, everything - the quality of a thing, of an element - in the same way the human being has ten qualities it has to have - maintain ten qualities. And once he has maintained these ten qualities, he can jump into the higher awareness where he has to reach. So these ten qualities are what we call, is the dharma. According to Sanskrit language is easier to understand [INAUDIBLE] dharma; means the one which is sustained within us is our dharma. Is not what X, Y, Z has told you, or anything that we are or anything, but it is absolutely innate quality a human being must retain within himself to be there. And this one is the central path which gives you this quality, by which you are a human. And you have those ten qualities established in you. Now this is what Nature has done for you: that Nature has given you these three powers now. And that Nature has brought you up to a point - up to the threshold - that you have to enter into a new realm of awareness. It's the work of Nature. Nature has worked out also these centers for you. Now these are seven centers basically like seven notes in the music. Basically. But there are twelve because they again make [INAUDIBLE same?] basically; and there are thousands of these centers within us, which are all worked out very carefully by Nature to be there. Now these - all these centers are there to give us a different help in different realms of our life. For example, for physical being, for emotional being, for our mental being, for our spiritual being, these centers are within us. It's a very great thing that is done by Nature. Apart from that, a very important thing has been done to bring forth this evolution. Is to send an aspect of divinity on this earth - an aspect of divinity on this earth to emancipate, to lead the people. To lead the fish, a fish came; to lead the tortoise, a tortoise came. To lead the human beings, also, a person like Christ came on this earth. They created these centers: for example, Christ has created the center that you can see there at the crossroad, here. This is the window of that. This is the window of Christ [INAUDIBLE arised?]. Now, if you don't mind, I'll talk about Christ. If there are Jews, they should know that Moses is very important too for us, because Moses is the one [SOUNDS LIKE opened up this green area for us?] (Mother pointing to Void area on chart?). So nobody should feel hurt if I talk of Christ. It's very difficult to [INAUDIBLE] in one lecture. But all of them are our leaders of our evolution. All of them are. Like Christ has said, "Those who are not against Me are with Me." Who are those? I mean they did not give Him time even to talk - the way He was killed in three, four years' time. Imagine for four years I was struggling for six Sahaja Yogis in London. In four years, what could Christ do? But crucifixion itself is a very big thing, which He was supposed to do, for a special purpose, by which whatever mistakes you have committed, or so-called sins, or whatever you have done against God, He came on this earth to ask for forgiveness for all of you. And for that He killed Himself, or crucified; got Himself crucified. There's no need: He's a very, very powerful personality. He's extremely powerful personality: in Sanskrit language He's called as Mahavishnu. And He has got eleven rudras, means eleven destroying powers, and He gives them to you later, also. Now this may be little odd to you to share, that Mother is saying all this about Christ, but we can prove it. It can be proved that it was Christ who came on this earth, on this center within us. Because when this power, which is going to give you your union, the power which is going to give you your Self-Realization, which resides in the triangular bone as you see, is the pure desire of God Almighty. The pure desire of divine power that you should get your Realization. It is not yet awakened - if it had been, you would have been realized. So it is called as residual because He has created the whole human being. Clearly it is sleeping: it has not manifested itself. And this power of Kundalini is the power you can see there, in the triangular bone, in three-and-a-half coils, sleeps for this awakening. And when She rises, when She comes up to this point and stops, we have to take the name of Christ, otherwise it won't rise. All these centers, which are governed by one of these leaders who came on this earth as human beings, to save us, to protect us, to guide us, to give us our sustenance, all of them are so important at different points that we have to find out at what point this Kundalini stops. With your naked eyes, you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini; with the naked eye you can see the rising of the Kundalini, and you can see the breaking of the Kundalini here. If you put your hand there, in the beginning you might feel a little throbbing, and the throbbing disappears. At that time, you'll start feeling in your hand a cool breeze blows - the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, as you can say - it's blowing off your hand. It's actualization. This is to prove all the Scriptures and all the Incarnations and all the Prophets who came on this earth. Of course also to prove those who are false, who have been false - when there is light, you can make out what is right and what is wrong. But is actualization that you become that; your awareness, [the love [in] that awareness? INAUDIBLE] that new dimension in your awareness, by which you can feel within yourself the power of God flowing through you as cool breeze. Someone may say it's psychological, or, "I'm amazed"; I think because people are too brainy; I mean a bit too much brainy. You have to be slightly less. Balanced with the heart. But doesn't matter - it worked with everyone now, so doesn't matter. Now, this idea that it can be psychological - let's find out. [And whatever is alone/ unknown?] is not divine. But that also can be proved: that it is divine. It's very simple - I don't know why people don't employ this method for finding out anything whatsoever. Once you have these powers flowing through you, you'll be surprised that it starts answering your questions. Like a computer. If you ask the question, for example, "Is there God?", you get a big blow of that [feeling?]. If you ask about a fake person, "Is he a real person?", you'll feel the breeze stop. Not only that, but you'll become collectively conscious, you'll become, like Jung has said, "You have to become collectively conscious in your next step of evolution." You become. Not by anything that, "You are all brothers and sisters, there should be no race, creed and religion". It just happens to you. [INAUDIBLE Praise God./Means what?] Even these children who are sitting here are born realized. They can say what chakras you are catching. They can just feel it and say it, what centers you are catching. Because on your fingers you have five, six and seven places. You can say what centers they are catching - I'm just here to decode it. Now I have decoded it; I have told you that this center means this. This center you're feeling guilty - this is very common now. Everybody's feeling guilty for nothing at all. [INAUDIBLE] I mean, should not be there! It's ocean of love I'm talking about, and what is there to feel guilty? What guilt can you have? What mistakes can you commit compared to God's love? So feeling guilty - "Oh, I should not have done this mistake" or anything; whatever I say, I don't know, I didn't say anything like that. But sometimes it happens, works out, that people start criticizing themselves and this center catches. It's called as left Vishuddhi, this side. They have spondylitis with that; they have problems on the neck; most of the people have problems in the neck. It's all due to feeling guilty - you'll be surprised. And this is very true, that you all can feel your own centers, and the centers of others. You will see your own power flowing. Of course maybe in the first shot you may not all get your Realization. May not. But don't get worried about it. Again, if you start worrying, it will not work out. Keep it open. It will work out. But once you get it you have to establish it a little bit; you have to understand. And you'll be amazed when you will know the [INAUDIBLE Laws?] of the Divine Power. [INAUDIBLE Hindi phrase or All that, then, that's ?], that's why Adi Shankaracharya said that this whole world is [SOUNDS LIKE Hindi word - Mica] - the whole world is absolutely false. Truth is only the Divine Power. [SOUNDS LIKE Brahmadra - this is the Brahmashakti [as you call it/ ?? power]]. And then you are amazed, how it works. And how it manifests itself through you. Oh, you think, "Oh, how could I? And after all you see, I am no good Mother. But how can it?" But it does. I mean, do you know thousands of years have been spent in creating you? How can you be something insignificant? The whole stage is laid for you, especially for seekers. But seekers are the realists; and the realists want/for? God's love. Don't start counting your sins, because, as I said, Christ, if He's awakened within you, He sucks in all your so-called karmas and your sins. This idea of giving you, "that there are karmas ...": many gurus stop there. "We have got karma and we must suffer, and we are just suffering". Why? Why should you suffer, when Christ has suffered for you? Why should you suffer? So we are sitting down and suffering, and writing stories of our suffering? Suffering is only one that you have not met your Self. That separation is to suffer. You have not yet met your own Spirit. Your Spirit has not yet manifested - is the only suffering you have. And once that happens, everything flows with the wind, and the wind flows, and you can feel that thing happening. The subject matter is too deep and very extensive. I don't know when will I be able to say that [INAUDIBLE]. No more. But it is very extensive. Today there are lots of new people, so I have said something which is basically needed to explain what is Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja: Saha means 'with', Ja means 'born'. It is spontaneous. Martin Luther said that, that it's a spontaneous happening. But the disciples of Martin Luther flouted it. Anybody who said anything, all these Incarnations, all these prophets, whatever They said, human beings know how to make a pickle out of it. See, they did it. Every one of them made such a mess of everything, I'm surprised, how can human beings think of making Them so dead and finished. Like the flowers on the trees: are so living and nice and spontaneous. But they pick them up as their own; they say "This is mine; this is mine". [Until?] they try on the same energy, of spontaneity. It is absolutely spontaneous. It has nothing to do with any doing or effort. Is absolutely spontaneous. Surprisingly, the word for effortlessness is also 'sahaj'. Spontaneous and sahaja is the same. Like, spontaneously we've become human beings. What did we do to become human beings from monkeys? Did we cut our tails? We didn't do anything like that - we just became. Spontaneously. What does a fruit do to become a fruit? Just the flower becomes a fruit. It's all built in - the whole map is built within us. This is a map that we have within us, which is going to give you your Self-Realization. It is your right to have it. Not only that, but the Divine is anxious to give you, I can tell you, very anxious. That's why there are so many seekers coming. Also, certain diseases like cancer and all that can only be cured through Sahaja Yoga; there is no other way out. Cancer is a 'blessing' of this, so-called, horrible modern times. And the cure of it also lies with the modern times. In the modern times, only, this en-masse evolution was possible. On the mental side, people are so maddened, so confused, so upset; suffering from so many troubles of the mind. I mean, every third person you find, he says, "Oh God, I've a fuzzy head." Tensions, and all these complications of the nervous systems and all that; they are all because we have not found our meaning. We have to find our meaning. Unless and until we are connected with the mains, we are not going to find the working of our being. So far, whatever we have been worked out as human beings was in our own idea that we thought, "I like this, and I like that." "This is good, that is horrid/not?." [But quite contrary?] there's no relief. But after you have found out your meaning, the Spirit, it's so universal that everybody will say the same, that, "This is correct and this is wrong." There's no difference of opinion. Everyone feels the same way. It's not out of love, as they say that "you love each other"; you just love - you can't help it. You are in it! You just drop down into the power of love of God. You just can't help it. You become that - you cannot help it. You have to do it. It becomes part and parcel for every one of us. And we don't have to sit down and think about love - it just pours and pours out of us, and pours and pours within us. What is God? Is nothing but love. His grace is His love; freely distributed and felt within ourselves. That He has created us into human beings out of His love. Because He is the most loving, caring and generous Father we have, who wants to bestow all His blessings upon us. And He is so anxious that you should enter into His kingdom: to adorn you with all His graces and [INAUDIBLE these things?] and all His overwhelming love. That [He's just built within / His just [INAUDIBLE] - it should happen to all of you. It should happen. I'm just a catalyst, you can say. Because I don't want your ego to come up. Some people do come up with ideas, saying that, "Why You, Mother?" I say "Now, [INAUDIBLE] you'd better be there in My place; if you can do it, I'll be very happy. It's a thankless job. You'd better do it. I would like to retire." But the trouble is, I'm meant to be there - just somehow I am put there, see, for this job. So, if this is My job, and you are put for this job, you shouldn't mind it. You can do it, the same. One enlightened light can enlighten another light. So it is not necessary to feel like, "Why Mother is the first?" Or somebody. It could be you. But He chose Me, somehow, I don't know what happened to Him, that He thought I would be the best to do this job. May be I have too much patience with people, perhaps, may be. Or, I have too much love. May be that. I don't know what it is that decided Him that I should take up this upon Myself. But, you should know that there's somebody who really, really loves you well, and that I can see that Spirit within you. I can see it. You don't see, but I see that star sparkling. And that's why I I've worked, day in and day out, that you should see that; you should feel that - and you should get your own powers, [INAUDIBLE and thoughts?] I think people can't understand anyone who could be like that. But I suffer from My own love, you know - I feel it is too much. And I don't know what to do with it. If you can understand it, it will be better for Me, and better for you. That there's somebody who just loves - just out of love. Everything is done out of love. And, for this, you should never talk of paying, and all that. It's very insulting. You can't pay for it. Must know that you cannot pay for love. You cannot pay for love. It is so invaluable. One should not even talk about it - it's insulting. So, I would request you to see that you get your Realization; to establish it properly; to understand what are the implications of it. And not to just deny it - because it is for you; for you, for seekers, this is the best. Because otherwise you'll be seeking all your life. You have to stop it at the point; you have to find it and get it. And those who get it will start thinking about it - you can't think about it; this is the [un-thinking?]. You become thoughtlessly aware to begin with. And once it pierces through here, then what can you do? Because, without any thinking, you have got it. By thinking, if you could get, then it would be the easiest to go into the library, sit down and think. But by thinking you cannot get it. It's a happening that takes place - it's a living happening. And everything within is done without thinking. That is what is to be understood. And whatever was possible in this short time I've been able to tell you, but, as I said, it's a very big subject. If you have any questions, I would like to answer them. May God bless you! [There is another one/ ??? because they are] born Realized. There are many children who are born Realized in this country. Surprising: in England, we have so many children who are born Realized. And I am sure people do not understand what Realization is. These children are going to suffer. These are going to suffer - we'll never understand them. Never. They talk in a different language, you know. [a section seems to be missing] MOTHER: I've seen the new line. The new horizon. And that's how you change. And laughing at things is natural, when you become - like, when they show Christ, hanky-panky like that; never believe such stories. He was a healthy, charming man with a very healthy face. He could carry a cross - I would challenge any wrestler of this country to carry such a thing. Such a powerful man, they show Him like a skeleton. Because they themselves are like that. So, no use feeling guilty about it. But doing something about it is important. And that's what is going to work it out. If you want to really help, [test /be placed??] with yourself; know yourself; know your powers. And once you are powerful you are so dynamic with your love that you can transform the whole world. You can. I know one gentleman, who came to Sahaja Yoga in India, in a village: he's transformed ten thousand people. And the poverty goes out - of course, you don't become like Mr Ford[?], who's running after money, and materialistic, but your problems get solved. It is said, in the Gita, that "[Sanskrit SOUNDS LIKE Yogakshe mohamya]" - "If you get your Realization - Yoga - then I look after your well-being." It is true; it happens. You won't believe. It happens that way. After all, from where does this wealth come in? From where all these bounties come in? Not money, but the rest of it. All that is fulfilled: you solve your problems. If you are standing in the water, and the waves are coming to you, then you are afraid of it. But, if you get into the boat, you can see that. And you can enjoy. Not only that, but you may be able to help others to get out of it. That is the situation. All right? Because whatever you have done by worrying, or feeling guilty, [SOUNDS LIKE which is nothing / or what is that]. So try a new method. At least try a new method. Any other questions? WOMAN: Do you advocate meditation? MOTHER: Yeah. But this is the idea of meditation is not the way we understand - is to sit down, cross-legged, for hours together, and be lost to the whole world; not that. I am in meditation all the time. You are in meditation. You cannot do meditation - you are in meditation. When you are one with the Spirit, you need not do anything like that. But sometimes you just want to look into yourself; you can just sit down and enjoy your Self, [it's better/ in spare time?] But not to waste your time sitting, arranging. I've seen people arranging - I have seen that, when they go into meditation, they arrange all the seats, this, that, get all the paraphernalia, and just think about what to put/cook? next. But here you are in that state - it's a state, meditative state, into which you are. So, you don't have to waste any time meditating - you are there! Just there! I think all these trees and all, they are meditating, aren't they? They are one with the whole. But we have lost our connection - deliberately, or some development within us. They do not know that they are in meditation, but you will know that. This is the difference. You'll be aware of it. Not that famous meditation, where people say they fly and this nonsense. See - the flying business is not [SOUNDS LIKE here on?] I don't know why people want to become birds. Or to become frogs. It's absurd - you have to become something higher. And it has to happen within - everybody has said, "You are to be born again." Now, what does that mean? [Dvijaha] - means 'born again'. Only two things are called as Dvija - first the one is a Realized soul, and another one is the bird. Like the egg has to become the bird - it has to become the bird. A new dimension altogether. All right? It's a state. Of new awareness. WOMAN: I was told it was a state that leads to Realization.[??] [obviously Mother heard something different but it does sound like that, but Her answer refers to 'danger'] MOTHER: No danger at all. How can there be any danger? It's all described about Kundalini, I know; you see, these people have written books on Kundalini - horrid! Absolutely horrid - take it from Me. They don't know where the Kundalini is - somebody says it is here, somebody says, somebody there. They don't know anything about it, and writing such big books, you see. Anybody can write anything about God. I'm surprised even Hitler used to talk about God, and even Napoleon used to talk about God; everybody talked about God. There's no law to forbid them. And these are the people most unauthorized. Kundalini is a very dear thing to you; She is the only Mother you have got, and you are the only child She has. And She's the holiest of holy. And She's looking after you. And She will mother you. She's not going to give you any trouble at all. Not at all. But, for example, now this archbishop of black magic, you see, he got his Realization, and then, when he went into his house, he started seeing things flying out from here, there, and all that, and he got frightened. But, you see, if you are doing such things, you see these spirits try to again show their temptation, you see; they try to create a temptation for you. For a while. But if you understand that you don't want all these things, they disappear. These are all temptations. They come to you a little bit, but not to normal people. I mean, if the Archbishop of Canterbury comes to Me, he may have some problems, but not you people. WOMAN: [Where do the other chakras come from/You mentioned the other chakras??] You said this is Christ's. MOTHER: Yes, there are many others. You see, all these chakras are there. The first chakra is down below - the first one is for innocence. The first thing that was created on this earth was innocence. And the second one is for our creativity. And the third one is for our evolution actually; the green one is for our evolution. The one that is higher is for our security, and the one here is for our collective consciousness. And this one is for forgiveness. And the last one is for our Realization. There are all the seven centers in the limbic area, which are integrated, and, when you get your Realization, all these centers get integrated. And because the Deities there are awakened and it starts working out its own manifestation. It's fantastic. Fantastic. WOMAN: So, actually it's a gift, is it? It's a gift. MOTHER: Yes, of course, it's a gift of God. WOMAN: You can't acquire it yourself; it has to be given by God. MOTHER: Yes, of course. But He's so gracious; He's anxious to give. That's the way God is. Even in taking gift, we think we should return; there's no return. It's just giving. It's just flowing. It's just giving - that's all. You cannot [INAUDIBLE run it?] in material way, that, "It's a gift. Supposing I give you something of £2; you give me something of £3." It's not like that. It's just giving, like the sunshine. It's a gift. Gift of God. We cannot demand it. We cannot demand it, but it works. If somebody's so gracious, won't it work out? Like the sun's rays you see - we may not demand it, but we can have it. But supposing you run away from it, and hide yourself somewhere and then say, "Oh, I didn't get any sunshine." Then you can blame yourself. You have to expose yourself. Just expose. Any other question? WOMAN: Is the meditation supposed to soothe the nerves, relax the nerves? MOTHER: Yes, it does relax them. Completely. You feel very relaxed, very, very relaxed. And blissful - absolutely blissful. You can prove even sometimes, see, when after Realization, then you must have felt it - a cool sort of [strange??] feeling coming up, and completely relaxed. That's His Grace. That's simply Grace. Relaxes, blissful. You become at least ten years younger next day. MAN: How does one achieve Realization? MOTHER: That's the point! That's what I'm coming to, now. That's exactly the point. This question had to come to Me. You have to just ask for it. So, we are all at that threshold to have it, isn't it? Will you please put your hands towards Me like this, just like this? And close your eyes. Put both the feet straight. Even if you don't want to put on the ground, you can put it there, but should be straight. Connected with the earth, somehow on the earth. Now put your hands straight, just straight. Again, to say, "I'm not guilty" is important, because all of you have this problem. So just say within yourself, that, "I am not guilty". Say it thrice. If you want to have Realization, then you must know that how can guilty people have Realization? You should not judge yourself. Who are you to judge? Let the Divine judge you. Just say, "I am not guilty". Just in your heart of hearts, say, "I am not guilty". For anything whatsoever. Close your eyes. Just say that. That's going to help Me a lot. Close your eyes, and just say, "I am not guilty". Close your eyes. You have to keep your eyes closed, because, when the Kundalini rises at the Agnya level, then if your eyes are open then it doesn't rise, because there is dilation of the pupils that takes place, you see? Please keep your eyes open [I think She says this, but it's a contradiction of what She has just said!] would be a better idea. Now watch your mind. You'll find there's no thought in your mind. When the Kundalini rises above Agnya, there's no thought. No thought at all. Got it. Just start getting the cool breeze in the hand. Just put the hands like this. See [INAUDIBLE]. Enjoy yourselves. Just don't think much. When you get it, don't think about it. Just leave it. It will work out. Just it will work out. Close your eyes. Just you put your hands. I'm working on there. You just put your hands straight, like that. Just enjoy yourselves. Those who have got it, just put your hands like this, and close your eyes. Put your hands on your laps, if you want to. If you have got the cool breeze, it's better to drop them. Don't start thinking about it. It should work out. It will work out - I'm sure it will. You have to forgive. You have to forgive. First of all, forgive yourself. Forgive yourself. That's very important, because, if you are the temple of God, you cannot have a temple which is all time thinking it's no good. You have to forgive yourself. You are the one who has to get Realization. So forgive yourself. Don't blame yourself for anything. Forgive yourself. That's very important. That's what I mean by saying, "I'm not guilty". Just forgive yourself. You must forgive yourself to begin with. Then, forgive others. Say it twice: "I forgive everyone". Just say that. Saying itself will help you. You'll feel very relieved if you say that. That, "I forgive everyone". Now, without feeling guilty, ask for forgiveness, if you have done any mistakes, "Forgive us". Just ask for forgiveness from God Almighty. Just ask for forgiveness. Without feeling guilty about it. When you are asking for forgiveness, you are forgiven, so don't feel guilty about it. Just ask, thrice. It will work out. Now, ask for your Realization: "Mother, give us our Realization". Just ask this within yourself thrice. Put your right hand on the heart. Right hand on the heart, and left hand towards Me. And now ask for forgiveness. One forgiveness has to be asked, that, "I've not paid sufficient attention to my Spirit". That's one forgiveness one has to ask. But not to feel guilty about it; that's one thing very important. SHRI MATAJI CONTINUES TO GIVE REALIZATION AND TO CORRECT PEOPLE'S VIBRATIONS, PARTICULARLY WORKING ON THE LIVER - "Thinking is the Liver"; "We have so much heat, we can supply to the whole of London!" MOTHER: And don't be that serious. It's the play of God, you see - it is just His play. We become so serious, you see. Children don't; they just play and throw it away. They're not bothered, they're not involved - they just play. That's how God is playing. I must thank Ruth for her kindness towards Sahaja Yoga, because she wrote such a nice article, you see. It could approach people, I hope, and the media will also take kindly to us, you see, because we don't pay any money or anything, so people don't take that much heat. [Mother still working on everyone] Hm, better; it's good. Close your eyes. Enjoy yourself. Just enjoy yourself. Now don't think about it. That's one thing: 'don't think' is the first mantra. Don't think about it; just enjoy. Because you'll drop it soon, if you think. Let it be established. It takes about seven/eight days to establish itself. So they will tell you what is to be done to establish. It's cooling down. Just allow yourself to drift into that, so that you enjoy it fully, as it's a very great impact. The first moment of Realization is very great, and you must remember it. Just enjoy it. Let it go, let it go. And become that. Allow yourself to be completely dissolved into it. So it becomes a beautiful memory in your heart, of your Realization point. Now don't wonder about the Kundalini, if it comes down, or anything - we know how to work it out. You have to sprout it first of all. You will also know how to work it out. Are you all right? Good! Close your eyes; go deep into yourself. This is your own depth; it is your own beauty. Just try to enjoy your own beauty. This is your Self - your Self is manifesting this. Just enjoy your Self. Allow it to work out. Don't doubt it - don't doubt yourself. After Realization, you really become master of yourself. And you can mould your life as you like. You can also feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, from the fontanel area. This is your baptism.

6/20/1981

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Seminar Day 1, Europe, the Liver, How to Love

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Talk to yogis. 4 Chemin de Montrognon, 95660 Champagne-sur-Oise, France, 20 June 1981. Like this room has got the atmosphere which is clean, so when the sun rises the light shines very well inside. Spirit is unchangeable, cannot be in anyway made impure nor can it be destroyed. But the attention, if not clear, you may not see the Spirit at all. We can say the lampshade, we can say, is the liver which contains the space which is the attention. Now if you put the light inside the lampshade and the lampshade is not clean then you don’t see any light. If the lampshade is absolutely black you won’t even feel the existence of light inside. This is an analogy of the dead things, but we are talking about living, so when the Kundalini rises, she first feels your Swadishthana.Now, the Swadishthana is the one which looks after your attention. The Swadishthana clears out your attention through your liver, through your pancreas, and through your kidneys. And it sustain it through your spleen and it makes it richer by transforming the fat cells into your brain cells. Now, the human brain cells are very special ones. They have an attention which goes out. If a man looks at something he creates a thought wave of himself about that. So all the dimension of aesthetics and of- we can say the form and the color and all the dynamics are in the human brain, which animals don’t have. For if an artist sees this flower arrangement he can project his attention in such a way, that he sees something beyond it and by using few lights, you can create the atmosphere that this arrangement is making.For example, a dramatist can write a play and put the whole thing in such a way that he creates a mood. Or a musician can put a melody before you and create an atmosphere of abstract joy. So it’s the only human mind that can do the abstract. Of course, we have very gross human beings also but they can develop into very beautiful human beings who can project their mind to abstraction. I mean there is no end to the dimensions of human brain. For example, a scientist can find out what is under this leaf, but an animal cannot see anything beyond it, but it‘s a leaf that’s all. The animal does not know any mannerism or any method of expressing his love which does not hurt another person and there is consideration, all the beauties of human beings come through the brain cells.So, this multidimensional brain cell is sustained by your attention.But I’ve known great Indian artist, musician, getting completely lost because they became drunkard, or they ‘ve affected some other organs within themselves, more than liver, by taking to something like say hashish and all these things, I don’t know what all sorts of things human beings have done. But these ill effects of alcohol are not seen because it gives rise to your ego.Now, how does a thing that goes to the sub [place?] to the subconscious gives rise to your ego? The trouble is to avoid the ego, you take alcohol. Because you can’t face your ego so you want to escape your personality and you take to alcohol. If you had faced your ego it would have been much less. So when you comeback from that drink you have another big balloon coming up and because of this ego activation your brain cells start becoming very active. Yes, an egoistic man has a tremendous brain, for some time. For some time, you become extremely powerful, you have new inventions, this kind of things. With your ego you can be a very successful person and could be a great orator and you could be like Hitler for example.11:20And this would go on and on and if you were not affected by the after-effect, the hangovers. But all the poisons have a capacity to react. All that is not divine in the long run always reacts.So then after sometime you find nations after nations finish off like the Roman Empire was finished off. Now England is leading the way, France I don’t know, Switzerland. [Laughs] Switzerland has another problem also they are giving military training, God save the [unclear] fake military training. So Norway people are committing suicide, Sweden is competing with them. Now, I have touched all the European countries.Sahaja Yogini: Spain is a major country.Shri Mataji: All right Spain and then Italy. Spain: Spanish people, you know how aggressive they were once upon a time. They went up to Chile, and Argentina, and all these things and now they are supposed to be developing country. They are a poor country. What about Portugal? Portuguese came up to India they ruled us for so many years. While the British, they ruled us for 300 years, but now they can’t even hold a glass like this, how will they carry the crown of Empire on their head? They are having strikes everywhere, for drinking, why do they want more money? Just to have more drinks. Are they going to do anything better with that money? The more money you give [to] human beings, the first thing they will do is go to pub. You bless them with the good crops of say grapes they will make alcohol. You give them any power they will make atom bombs.Now, this kind of confused attitude that people have developed is because of their awareness being completely flooded with smoke of poison. All the foundations of your values are shaken that is why people have no self -what you call- confidence, they have only ego, but the self confidence comes through your virtues, through the manifestation of your Spirit. When you enjoy your virtues, then you are confident, you are not bothered. But ego trips are bad experience. You stick your nose into everything and nose gets smashed every time. And that is how diffidence came in. But a virtuous person has no way to be defendant. He’s not egoistical because the greatest virtue is to love. So, now how to love? [Laughs][Shri Mataji speaks aside]How to love? Our idea of love comes to us from our ego. Love means- a husband or a lover should bring a flower for you and the wife must smile, whether you feel like smiling or not, you should smile. The whole idea of love is some sort of a make-believe. But they are right to say that “we fall in love” so we fall, that you have to fall, you cannot rise in love. [Laughs] And so many Sahaja Yogis have told me that “Mother, we have not yet fallen in love”. [Laughs]As if some piston is going to make them rush into that form or I don’t know what sort of make-believe, it is a very dramatic stuff. They will take 3 years to fall in love and 2 days to get a divorce. [Laughs]So to describe love the way human beings understand is impossible. It is all nonsense. It is all done through your ego. You have to do it from your heart, but where is the heart? It is all covered with ego. So, the idea of love is nothing but a very subtle expression of your ego. Whether it is a mother’s love or a father’s love this “I” is there. Like my son, my daughter, my wife, my voleyboc [?] [Laughs] and this my and mine is not love.We want that we should love others, how can you love when you analyze everything about everyone? You deaden the person completely by this. For example, I love this flower, I want to love this flower. So as a human being I will cut its throat, take out every petal, make a nice paste out of it and then eat it and then say “I really loved it”. This is not the way love is. It is a state of your heart. Really, the love is a feeling of giving, feeling of so called sacrifice, people call it sacrifice. Like somebody said to Me, “oh! are You sacrificing Your Holidays”. It is giving. And the joy of giving is the love, but when you try to judge and decide on very material level everything, then it becomes the farce. Supposing you have a lover who has been to -say- in the military of Switzerland. So he comes back home and he has already grown a big moustache, and he goes on twisting his moustache and he says “you haven’t yet saluted me”. [Laughs] Then, he puts his left foot ahead then the right foot on the side, then he goes into at ease pose and then says “it’s alright, let us kiss” [Laughs] And then you do two-three left right and go near him now he measures the angle of your forehead and then he just touches you and finished again like a swing.[a big and sudden noise; Shri Mataji speaks aside]That is so, that is not love. It is the state of mind one has to achieve. There you do not judge anyone, [the translator does not understand and Shri Mataji repeats] you don’t judge anyone. You know there is a defect, but you envelope it with your love, make a beautiful pearl out of that. Like the sun shine that is spreading everywhere, it does not see any defects and count the leaves, it just gives and gives and gives. That’s how one has to achieve that state where you just give without consideration of my-my or material considerations and other nonsensical gross methods of approaching it. Allow your heart to melt it, allow love to slip and you are enjoying it, nobody else, you really enjoy it. If others get angry with you so what, if they say anything nonsensical, so what, you are not enjoying them, you are enjoying yourself. This is real love and not a farce. For love I have to write books. If all the oceans become the ink and the sky becomes paper, I cannot write. It is so beautiful, it is so energy giving, it is so radiant. I cannot tell you how many words one can have for that.You achieve that love, that ‘s real love not the way human beings describe it. It gives forgiveness that you enjoy. It gives complete confidence; it gives you complete self respect and respect of another person. It is the communication of the Spirit with others, it’s not rational, it may not be logical. We cannot explain how God grace for it. For example an archbishop of black magic gets Realization. I am [?] enamored, I am enamored by the grace. Those who were going to hell are given the beauty of the Self. Can you describe it in human words, you cannot. This is love[The talk stops at 30:29.32:26 Shri Mataji speaks to a baby…..The French Yogis had given a list of questions; the first one was about how to love others, and the second one was about the Swaddisthan, the function of liver and of Europe in the world, and the problems of the left Swaddisthan….Shri Mataji starts to talk again around 42 minutes about the public program She gave in Australia, saying that Australian are more open-minded towards Realization than Europeans. For example, the place where She gave this public program was related to a synagogue and She did not know it. So the first day when She talked about Jesus Christ, the Jews who were there said that it was alright but that She could have talked about Moses first….A baby cries…Shri Mataji starts the talk at 47:02]“Now the first question that comes to us you know is how to look after your Swadishthana, because as I said that Europe is the liver of the world. The function of liver is to eliminate all poisonous things that are detrimental to the growth of the being. All such things can be called as poisons. So the role of Europe is to eliminate all that is poisonous for the society, and I must say you have had great people in this country for whom I have tremendous respect and regard. One of them was Emile Zola who very clearly described the perversity of a human mind and how it gets poisoned inside.In a book called Nana, he has described a society which is very decadent and very perverse and how it was making a man into a stupid fool. I mean he described the gentleman - something like Aristote. How one can be very stupid when he tries to bow to his lust, and a four sided woman how she could be very good wife and how she could be a horrid personality, the four sides of a woman. Then there is Maupassant another great writer, whom I read when I was very young I should say, about 13 to 14 years of age he’s very great who tried to point out to the poisons of the society. And the religious writers who were Realized souls also have been there many in France.For example, John of Arc is another example of a powerful woman. Her powers were of virginity. An ordinary farmer’s daughter could controlled an army through her virginity. You don’t have to see whether they were successful or not, but we have to see that they very clearly and boldly showed or expressed in their lives the existence of Divinity and of purifying power of liver.Now we have many types of poison in the human beings. The first one is the physical. If you start taking poison within you, gradually your liver goes wrong. As a challenge to this universal liver, people started brewing wine into an alcohol. There are two things: wine is different and alcohol is different. Now, this wine or this alcohol, what we normally drink in Europe, spoils the liver within us and the universal liver also. Our liver is symbolic of the liver of the Primordial Being or we can say our liver is one of the cells of the largest liver, I mean the European liver. So, the responsibility of Europeans has been to remove the poisons of this universe, not the consumption of it, and then boast it off. This liver that exists as Europe could have been alright, but so many types of poisons have settled down in this country, that people could not overcome.It’s a very vicious circle as far as the liver is concerned, because liver sustains our attention. If you do not try to keep your attention on purification anything like alcohol also intoxicates your attention, so your awareness becomes dull. This dull awareness helps you to forget the so called “realities of life”. Thus you start accepting it more and more, just to get out of this, or sort of escape out of the present - now, to be. And the whole system of European people became intoxicated. They started living in a make believe world. By taking these alcohols one becomes more impressed by its subconscious, I mean you live more in the subconscious.And the beginning of subconscious starts from the sexe. So when you start moving on that line, the extreme point becomes most important. So, the whole descent leads you up to sexe point.Now, why all the prophets were against alcohol, because once you take alcohol the vicious circle starts you start losing your human value. Then compromises start in life in saying “what is wrong in taking a little alcohol”. If the dharma or our sustenance gets disturbed by these poisons intoxicating our health, then the basis on which we stand starts shattering. So, at this- at this point one starts thinking of, in this conflict, starts thinking of God and religion, but that too has a biased of this liver intoxication. For example, people took to ascetics. Catholicism in this country became very common, but they did not put any clamping on the drinks. In the beginning they did, but gradually that was the thing they relaxed. When your awareness is disturbed even your ideas about sex get disturbed. You start compromising with your sexual behavior. So, a kind of a funny conflict came upon human beings that they have to be ascetic and they take alcohol, by taking alcohol they lose all their values about sex and they don’t know what to do with them. So, all the nuns and all the ascetic people, inside them they are so disturbed, but outside they had to wear an artificial life of asceticism.I asked a friend of My husband one day, very clearly “what happens to you when you get drunk”. He says that “I developed a new type of attachment for women and their body. I did not respect them as sisters or mothers, but I liked them as women”. Like a human being becomes an animal and he sees the other side of a sex as something as another animal. So, all the beauty that human beings have developed of married life and of virginity and of respect of women, is lost. The- another thing I found out from him that he told me that other friends of his, some of them started looking at their own sisters as women. The fathers started looking at their daughters as women, and the mothers started looking at their son, as a man. So, these sublime relationships which are existing in human beings, as the evolution has given them, is a special aptitude to develop this society of human beings, where the relationships are of different degrees, was lost.When this happens in any human being, compared to other human beings, he feels that he is something inferior to others in his heart [box?] or he has done a mistake or a sin or something, a guilt, in his heart [box?], he feels that way. He starts fighting his own being, the sustenance the human being as he is : pure. He starts fighting his own purity, sense of purity function. And then he starts rebuilding himself on new premises by saying that “oh! I haven’t done wrong, this is all nonsense, we should not have believed into it”, like a thief who becomes a robber after committing three or four thefts. And that’s how he concludes, or gets over his conflict, because he doesn’t want to live every moment with that conflict. The problem is when the liver gets affected, the confidence in oneself also becomes very-very low.Now, as a Mother I will never blame anyone. I should take the blame on Myself. The reason is that when the Incarnations came on this earth, all these Incarnations or Prophets talked against alcohol, but they should have very clearly explained, that these alcohols are poisons and they are the creation of some devils who have been able to ferment them and they have created for the use of the destruction of this world. Say - supposing they had told that this is an atomic bomb, nobody would have drank, but they did not say, they just said “don’t drink”. By saying that only they created a problem for human beings. Because if you say “no” to them then they do it ten times, that’s how the children are. And once they get into the habit of drinking then there is no way of return.But, for example, Christ did not talk against alcohol, because his job was different. Another thing, Krishna never talked against alcohol. Rama never talked against alcohol. To that extent, I would say none of the Incarnations ever talked against alcohol, except for the Primordial Master. And when these Prophets told “don’t drink”, as I told you, the people who are told, are the greatest drunkards. First of all, Europeans being the liver, were very conscious of it. And their conscience itself was so far in their guru, that they went against it with very great force. Just to overcome their conscience, the ego thought : “better put it down by drinking it”. We can say the Muslims now, Mohammed Sahib has very plainly said that Muslims people should not drink. He said “no intoxication should be taken”, but first they started smoking they said he never said don’t smoke. There was no smoke at that time, He didn’t know that human beings are going to develop smoke after him, and He also did not know that there will be something like LSD and bhang and all this nonsense. Otherwise, He would have said that “you should not have bhang, you should not have charas, you should not have this, you should not have that because that is poison, that it spoils your awareness, you become this, your society will be spoilt” but He didn’t think that human beings wouldn’t use their wisdom.All these great Incarnations lacked their human achieveness, I should say, human understanding. They could never understand that these human beings are so childish and they could be so stupid. Moreover, they had to do some other type of work with which they were busy. But a Mother understands and that’s why she forgives, and she knows that you have to tell them very clearly about it. You have to give them a complete counsel, complete understanding.[1:18 end of audio tape on amruta) This is the following on French CD and does not exist here on amruta.]...about the dangers of these poisons , how far they harm you physically, mentally and emotionally So one has to remember after coming to Sahaja Yoga that if our attention is not clear, the light of the Spirit will not shine.

Talk to yogis. 4 Chemin de Montrognon, 95660 Champagne-sur-Oise, France, 20 June 1981. Like this room has got the atmosphere which is clean, so when the sun rises the light shines very well inside. Spirit is unchangeable, cannot be in anyway made impure nor can it be destroyed. But the attention, if not clear, you may not see the Spirit at all. We can say the lampshade, we can say, is the liver which contains the space which is the attention. Now if you put the light inside the lampshade and the lampshade is not clean then you don’t see any light. If the lampshade is absolutely black you won’t even feel the existence of light inside. This is an analogy of the dead things, but we are talking about living, so when the Kundalini rises, she first feels your Swadishthana.Now, the Swadishthana is the one which looks after your attention. The Swadishthana clears out your attention through your liver, through your pancreas, and through your kidneys. And it sustain it through your spleen and it makes it richer by transforming the fat cells into your brain cells. Now, the human brain cells are very special ones. They have an attention which goes out. If a man looks at something he creates a thought wave of himself about that. So all the dimension of aesthetics and of- we can say the form and the color and all the dynamics are in the human brain, which animals don’t have. For if an artist sees this flower arrangement he can project his attention in such a way, that he sees something beyond it and by using few lights, you can create the atmosphere that this arrangement is making.For example, a dramatist can write a play and put the whole thing in such a way that he creates a mood. Or a musician can put a melody before you and create an atmosphere of abstract joy. So it’s the only human mind that can do the abstract. Of course, we have very gross human beings also but they can develop into very beautiful human beings who can project their mind to abstraction. I mean there is no end to the dimensions of human brain. For example, a scientist can find out what is under this leaf, but an animal cannot see anything beyond it, but it‘s a leaf that’s all. The animal does not know any mannerism or any method of expressing his love which does not hurt another person and there is consideration, all the beauties of human beings come through the brain cells.So, this multidimensional brain cell is sustained by your attention.But I’ve known great Indian artist, musician, getting completely lost because they became drunkard, or they ‘ve affected some other organs within themselves, more than liver, by taking to something like say hashish and all these things, I don’t know what all sorts of things human beings have done. But these ill effects of alcohol are not seen because it gives rise to your ego.Now, how does a thing that goes to the sub [place?] to the subconscious gives rise to your ego? The trouble is to avoid the ego, you take alcohol. Because you can’t face your ego so you want to escape your personality and you take to alcohol. If you had faced your ego it would have been much less. So when you comeback from that drink you have another big balloon coming up and because of this ego activation your brain cells start becoming very active. Yes, an egoistic man has a tremendous brain, for some time. For some time, you become extremely powerful, you have new inventions, this kind of things. With your ego you can be a very successful person and could be a great orator and you could be like Hitler for example.11:20And this would go on and on and if you were not affected by the after-effect, the hangovers. But all the poisons have a capacity to react. All that is not divine in the long run always reacts.So then after sometime you find nations after nations finish off like the Roman Empire was finished off. Now England is leading the way, France I don’t know, Switzerland. [Laughs] Switzerland has another problem also they are giving military training, God save the [unclear] fake military training. So Norway people are committing suicide, Sweden is competing with them. Now, I have touched all the European countries.Sahaja Yogini: Spain is a major country.Shri Mataji: All right Spain and then Italy. Spain: Spanish people, you know how aggressive they were once upon a time. They went up to Chile, and Argentina, and all these things and now they are supposed to be developing country. They are a poor country. What about Portugal? Portuguese came up to India they ruled us for so many years. While the British, they ruled us for 300 years, but now they can’t even hold a glass like this, how will they carry the crown of Empire on their head? They are having strikes everywhere, for drinking, why do they want more money? Just to have more drinks. Are they going to do anything better with that money? The more money you give [to] human beings, the first thing they will do is go to pub. You bless them with the good crops of say grapes they will make alcohol. You give them any power they will make atom bombs.Now, this kind of confused attitude that people have developed is because of their awareness being completely flooded with smoke of poison. All the foundations of your values are shaken that is why people have no self -what you call- confidence, they have only ego, but the self confidence comes through your virtues, through the manifestation of your Spirit. When you enjoy your virtues, then you are confident, you are not bothered. But ego trips are bad experience. You stick your nose into everything and nose gets smashed every time. And that is how diffidence came in. But a virtuous person has no way to be defendant. He’s not egoistical because the greatest virtue is to love. So, now how to love? [Laughs][Shri Mataji speaks aside]How to love? Our idea of love comes to us from our ego. Love means- a husband or a lover should bring a flower for you and the wife must smile, whether you feel like smiling or not, you should smile. The whole idea of love is some sort of a make-believe. But they are right to say that “we fall in love” so we fall, that you have to fall, you cannot rise in love. [Laughs] And so many Sahaja Yogis have told me that “Mother, we have not yet fallen in love”. [Laughs]As if some piston is going to make them rush into that form or I don’t know what sort of make-believe, it is a very dramatic stuff. They will take 3 years to fall in love and 2 days to get a divorce. [Laughs]So to describe love the way human beings understand is impossible. It is all nonsense. It is all done through your ego. You have to do it from your heart, but where is the heart? It is all covered with ego. So, the idea of love is nothing but a very subtle expression of your ego. Whether it is a mother’s love or a father’s love this “I” is there. Like my son, my daughter, my wife, my voleyboc [?] [Laughs] and this my and mine is not love.We want that we should love others, how can you love when you analyze everything about everyone? You deaden the person completely by this. For example, I love this flower, I want to love this flower. So as a human being I will cut its throat, take out every petal, make a nice paste out of it and then eat it and then say “I really loved it”. This is not the way love is. It is a state of your heart. Really, the love is a feeling of giving, feeling of so called sacrifice, people call it sacrifice. Like somebody said to Me, “oh! are You sacrificing Your Holidays”. It is giving. And the joy of giving is the love, but when you try to judge and decide on very material level everything, then it becomes the farce. Supposing you have a lover who has been to -say- in the military of Switzerland. So he comes back home and he has already grown a big moustache, and he goes on twisting his moustache and he says “you haven’t yet saluted me”. [Laughs] Then, he puts his left foot ahead then the right foot on the side, then he goes into at ease pose and then says “it’s alright, let us kiss” [Laughs] And then you do two-three left right and go near him now he measures the angle of your forehead and then he just touches you and finished again like a swing.[a big and sudden noise; Shri Mataji speaks aside]That is so, that is not love. It is the state of mind one has to achieve. There you do not judge anyone, [the translator does not understand and Shri Mataji repeats] you don’t judge anyone. You know there is a defect, but you envelope it with your love, make a beautiful pearl out of that. Like the sun shine that is spreading everywhere, it does not see any defects and count the leaves, it just gives and gives and gives. That’s how one has to achieve that state where you just give without consideration of my-my or material considerations and other nonsensical gross methods of approaching it. Allow your heart to melt it, allow love to slip and you are enjoying it, nobody else, you really enjoy it. If others get angry with you so what, if they say anything nonsensical, so what, you are not enjoying them, you are enjoying yourself. This is real love and not a farce. For love I have to write books. If all the oceans become the ink and the sky becomes paper, I cannot write. It is so beautiful, it is so energy giving, it is so radiant. I cannot tell you how many words one can have for that.You achieve that love, that ‘s real love not the way human beings describe it. It gives forgiveness that you enjoy. It gives complete confidence; it gives you complete self respect and respect of another person. It is the communication of the Spirit with others, it’s not rational, it may not be logical. We cannot explain how God grace for it. For example an archbishop of black magic gets Realization. I am [?] enamored, I am enamored by the grace. Those who were going to hell are given the beauty of the Self. Can you describe it in human words, you cannot. This is love[The talk stops at 30:29.32:26 Shri Mataji speaks to a baby…..The French Yogis had given a list of questions; the first one was about how to love others, and the second one was about the Swaddisthan, the function of liver and of Europe in the world, and the problems of the left Swaddisthan….Shri Mataji starts to talk again around 42 minutes about the public program She gave in Australia, saying that Australian are more open-minded towards Realization than Europeans. For example, the place where She gave this public program was related to a synagogue and She did not know it. So the first day when She talked about Jesus Christ, the Jews who were there said that it was alright but that She could have talked about Moses first….A baby cries…Shri Mataji starts the talk at 47:02]“Now the first question that comes to us you know is how to look after your Swadishthana, because as I said that Europe is the liver of the world. The function of liver is to eliminate all poisonous things that are detrimental to the growth of the being. All such things can be called as poisons. So the role of Europe is to eliminate all that is poisonous for the society, and I must say you have had great people in this country for whom I have tremendous respect and regard. One of them was Emile Zola who very clearly described the perversity of a human mind and how it gets poisoned inside.In a book called Nana, he has described a society which is very decadent and very perverse and how it was making a man into a stupid fool. I mean he described the gentleman - something like Aristote. How one can be very stupid when he tries to bow to his lust, and a four sided woman how she could be very good wife and how she could be a horrid personality, the four sides of a woman. Then there is Maupassant another great writer, whom I read when I was very young I should say, about 13 to 14 years of age he’s very great who tried to point out to the poisons of the society. And the religious writers who were Realized souls also have been there many in France.For example, John of Arc is another example of a powerful woman. Her powers were of virginity. An ordinary farmer’s daughter could controlled an army through her virginity. You don’t have to see whether they were successful or not, but we have to see that they very clearly and boldly showed or expressed in their lives the existence of Divinity and of purifying power of liver.Now we have many types of poison in the human beings. The first one is the physical. If you start taking poison within you, gradually your liver goes wrong. As a challenge to this universal liver, people started brewing wine into an alcohol. There are two things: wine is different and alcohol is different. Now, this wine or this alcohol, what we normally drink in Europe, spoils the liver within us and the universal liver also. Our liver is symbolic of the liver of the Primordial Being or we can say our liver is one of the cells of the largest liver, I mean the European liver. So, the responsibility of Europeans has been to remove the poisons of this universe, not the consumption of it, and then boast it off. This liver that exists as Europe could have been alright, but so many types of poisons have settled down in this country, that people could not overcome.It’s a very vicious circle as far as the liver is concerned, because liver sustains our attention. If you do not try to keep your attention on purification anything like alcohol also intoxicates your attention, so your awareness becomes dull. This dull awareness helps you to forget the so called “realities of life”. Thus you start accepting it more and more, just to get out of this, or sort of escape out of the present - now, to be. And the whole system of European people became intoxicated. They started living in a make believe world. By taking these alcohols one becomes more impressed by its subconscious, I mean you live more in the subconscious.And the beginning of subconscious starts from the sexe. So when you start moving on that line, the extreme point becomes most important. So, the whole descent leads you up to sexe point.Now, why all the prophets were against alcohol, because once you take alcohol the vicious circle starts you start losing your human value. Then compromises start in life in saying “what is wrong in taking a little alcohol”. If the dharma or our sustenance gets disturbed by these poisons intoxicating our health, then the basis on which we stand starts shattering. So, at this- at this point one starts thinking of, in this conflict, starts thinking of God and religion, but that too has a biased of this liver intoxication. For example, people took to ascetics. Catholicism in this country became very common, but they did not put any clamping on the drinks. In the beginning they did, but gradually that was the thing they relaxed. When your awareness is disturbed even your ideas about sex get disturbed. You start compromising with your sexual behavior. So, a kind of a funny conflict came upon human beings that they have to be ascetic and they take alcohol, by taking alcohol they lose all their values about sex and they don’t know what to do with them. So, all the nuns and all the ascetic people, inside them they are so disturbed, but outside they had to wear an artificial life of asceticism.I asked a friend of My husband one day, very clearly “what happens to you when you get drunk”. He says that “I developed a new type of attachment for women and their body. I did not respect them as sisters or mothers, but I liked them as women”. Like a human being becomes an animal and he sees the other side of a sex as something as another animal. So, all the beauty that human beings have developed of married life and of virginity and of respect of women, is lost. The- another thing I found out from him that he told me that other friends of his, some of them started looking at their own sisters as women. The fathers started looking at their daughters as women, and the mothers started looking at their son, as a man. So, these sublime relationships which are existing in human beings, as the evolution has given them, is a special aptitude to develop this society of human beings, where the relationships are of different degrees, was lost.When this happens in any human being, compared to other human beings, he feels that he is something inferior to others in his heart [box?] or he has done a mistake or a sin or something, a guilt, in his heart [box?], he feels that way. He starts fighting his own being, the sustenance the human being as he is : pure. He starts fighting his own purity, sense of purity function. And then he starts rebuilding himself on new premises by saying that “oh! I haven’t done wrong, this is all nonsense, we should not have believed into it”, like a thief who becomes a robber after committing three or four thefts. And that’s how he concludes, or gets over his conflict, because he doesn’t want to live every moment with that conflict. The problem is when the liver gets affected, the confidence in oneself also becomes very-very low.Now, as a Mother I will never blame anyone. I should take the blame on Myself. The reason is that when the Incarnations came on this earth, all these Incarnations or Prophets talked against alcohol, but they should have very clearly explained, that these alcohols are poisons and they are the creation of some devils who have been able to ferment them and they have created for the use of the destruction of this world. Say - supposing they had told that this is an atomic bomb, nobody would have drank, but they did not say, they just said “don’t drink”. By saying that only they created a problem for human beings. Because if you say “no” to them then they do it ten times, that’s how the children are. And once they get into the habit of drinking then there is no way of return.But, for example, Christ did not talk against alcohol, because his job was different. Another thing, Krishna never talked against alcohol. Rama never talked against alcohol. To that extent, I would say none of the Incarnations ever talked against alcohol, except for the Primordial Master. And when these Prophets told “don’t drink”, as I told you, the people who are told, are the greatest drunkards. First of all, Europeans being the liver, were very conscious of it. And their conscience itself was so far in their guru, that they went against it with very great force. Just to overcome their conscience, the ego thought : “better put it down by drinking it”. We can say the Muslims now, Mohammed Sahib has very plainly said that Muslims people should not drink. He said “no intoxication should be taken”, but first they started smoking they said he never said don’t smoke. There was no smoke at that time, He didn’t know that human beings are going to develop smoke after him, and He also did not know that there will be something like LSD and bhang and all this nonsense. Otherwise, He would have said that “you should not have bhang, you should not have charas, you should not have this, you should not have that because that is poison, that it spoils your awareness, you become this, your society will be spoilt” but He didn’t think that human beings wouldn’t use their wisdom.All these great Incarnations lacked their human achieveness, I should say, human understanding. They could never understand that these human beings are so childish and they could be so stupid. Moreover, they had to do some other type of work with which they were busy. But a Mother understands and that’s why she forgives, and she knows that you have to tell them very clearly about it. You have to give them a complete counsel, complete understanding.[1:18 end of audio tape on amruta) This is the following on French CD and does not exist here on amruta.]...about the dangers of these poisons , how far they harm you physically, mentally and emotionally So one has to remember after coming to Sahaja Yoga that if our attention is not clear, the light of the Spirit will not shine.

6/21/1981

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Seminar Day 2, how to use the Grace

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Seminar, day 2, 4 Chemin de Montrognon, 95660 Champagne-sur-Oise, France, June 21th, 1981, how to use the Grace PART 1 Shri Mataji: ...Yes, I hope today [we'll] have something practical about love. Marie [in French]: Today, Mother would like to speak about something very practical about love. Shri Mataji: That we should understand when something happens to us what should we do about it. Say, if you are, this time you were tired, you feel tired then what is happening? We have on the right-hand side the "prana vayu", it's the prana, it's the right-hand side, the major prana. So, the right side energy is exhausted too much. And when it gets exhausted it freezes the heart, you see. I mean, we do the more work through the right, so the left is frozen. So, we should put our hand on our heart, right hand, or put the left to the right when we are tired. Another way could be to put your left hand on your head, left side, and put right hand towards the photograph. Another very good idea is to get vibrations on the right-hand side if you are very tired or depressed, I should say when depressed. When you feel depressed, then you feel the heaviness here [Back Agnya] also. If it is too much on the back, then you put your right hand and the left hand towards the photograph. But mostly, you see, this energy of mana is Manashakti on the left-hand side. And then, because of the exhaustion of that Shakti, you feel very, very tired. So then, that means ultimately, you'll find out that it is too much exhausted here, due to too much use of the left side. So, our right is to be, right is to be raised. So, the first one is a physical exhaustion. And second one is an exhaustion of your mental, emotional [inaudible] I don't know what is in their mind, what they mean if it's superego. If it's superego, that is mind, I mean. In Sanskrit language, it is called as Manashakti, "mana", "manasa". So, now, these two different things have to be understood that if you have, say, a depression on the right-hand side because of physical exhaustion, then you should try to take vibrations from the left. And when there is a mental exhaustion in the sense that you feel depressed and all that, then put right towards the photograph and the left hand on the head. You might feel also heaviness, you might feel also heaviness on the head, on the left part. So now, you realize that when there is a depression due to over-mental activity, brain activity, actually your heart gets exhausted - not exhausted but frozen. But on the contrary, you see, when your heart is exhausted, I mean when you mentally or - what you call – emotionally you are exhausted, then your brainless start, the [inaudible] we can say, the brain is frozen. So, it is just the other way round, you have to do it. Supposing you are physically exhausted, then you should listen to some nice poetry or some music or something romantic or something, say, solacing or peaceful sort of things. But if you are more exhausted because of your too much mental activity or too much of emotional activity, then you should listen to war programs or some things, [Laughter] some things of great excitement [inaudible]. Excitement [Laughter] But, you see, nothing should be led too far otherwise one moment you'll be listening to [??] music, to something melodious, you see, so you'll be this way, that way. Once you have recovered, then you just settle down in the center. This is for balancing. Now we must understand how to take the Grace upon ourselves. It's just the other way round. Now, supposing you have the problem of exhaustion of right side and the heart is catching and you are taking vibrations from the photograph, then you put your left hand. So, when you have to take the Grace, you have to take it from the right side and put it on the left-hand side, like this. Now if you are exhausted, physically you feel exhausted, then this is the other way round one has to go - I mean, I'm sorry - if you are feeling exhausted on the left-hand side, if you have exhausted your energy on the left hand-side, then you fill it up like this [with the right hand], all right? So, for raising your Kundalini - and it's to be done on the point - like, supposing you have exhausted yourself physically, all right? Take it. Now, you put your hand on the heart, all right? And the giving of bandhan has to be at this time because the Grace has to come here, it has to be the other way round. ,See, we take the Grace like this. Now, say, if you have to take the Grace with it like that. I'm sorry- the Grace has to come to us on the right-hand side because if right side is exhausted, so what we do is to rise right side to take left. I'll give an example, one simple example. [Inaudible] Now, this one [the white candle] is the -say- the sun or we can say the right side. And this [the red candle] is the left side, all right? All right. Now, this one [the red candle] is burning too much; this one is burning too much, it is exhausted, all right? And this one [the white candle] is dead. This one is dead, all right? So, we have to enlighten this one. All right, and this is to be put down a little bit. This is to be put down and this is to be enlightened. All right, do you follow this point? Sahaja Yogis: Hum [means yes]. This one is enlightenment and this is to be put down or to be given more of energy because it is exhausted. All right? So, to give the energy, what we do is to bring the energy from the Grace on this side. All right? And to enlighten this we raise it. Sahaja Yogi [to Marie]: Non, non, non avec la main droite, tu remontes [No, no, no with the right hand, you go up.] Shri Mataji: No, no, no, we raise it like that. We raise the side which is not yet enlightened, which is frozen. Did you follow now? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, absolutely. We take the right side and we pull it up, take the Grace and put it down to the left side. Shri Mataji: Grace, you put down because Grace cools it down, gives it more energy. Did you follow that point? We'll be practising it, now, all of you. [To Marie] And you tell them now. Reduce the recording... [Cut in the audio] And Kundalini is also reflecting Grace. So, whatever is present in the atmosphere is the absolute Grace, all right? So, whichever is sleeping is to be awakened, means the one which you have not exhausted, the one which is frozen. Did you follow that? Sahaja Yogis: Hum [means yes]. Shri Mataji: Marie can feel it? Marie: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ah! You must ask Me. Gavin, did you follow? What is the conclusion? Gavin: So, when it is- you want to raise the left, the right, then you do the opposite and you're going down- Sahaja Yogi: No. Gavin: No? [Laughter]. Shri Mataji: I'll tell you. When, when it is to be awakened, you see, then you raise it, correct. [Inaudible]. This type. When you have to awaken, you have to raise. But when to have to fill it, when you have to fill into it, you see, then you have to move the Grace onto you. So, the reflected Grace is used for raising the Kundalini. And the real Grace is used for filling. Gavin: When do we awaken and when do we fill in? Shri Mataji: Now, the one we have exhausted very much, Gavin: Yes. Shri Mataji: We fill it. Gavin: OK. Shri Mataji: And the one which are not used, we awaken. Gavin: So, it's a matter of how far we awaken left side and we fill it in into right side. OK, now we want to- right side, you awaken right side and you fill it into the left side. Shri Mataji: All right? Gavin: All right, OK now. Shri Mataji: Now, say, if you have too much ego, what will you do? [Laughter]. Because ego, you see, has crossed over so how you are doing is to put this thing left like this and the right side. Actually, ego comes up because of the exhaustion of your right side. All right? So to bring it down, you raise your left side, push up the left side and bring it down. Like, you can say when we exhaust our right side and work for many – say we plan, we think, or we create something or we go into action of any kind physical or mental, means the brains, you see. Or we live in our future, spoiling our liver, then what happens is our right side is exhausted and the left side is very weak, is frozen. Also heart gets frozen because ego is created as a by-product. Ego is a by-product of our over-activity of the sun line or the Prana-Brahma Shakti. Then what we have to do is to bring it down. So, what we do is to bring the Grace upon ourselves and bring it down, the Grace with this. Do you follow that? Gavin: Mother, do we do it this way to put the balloon of the ego? On the left side, this way: down, this way, right? Shri Mataji: Ah. Gavin: Like that. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Gavin: Because the ego balloon is covering this way. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Gavin: So we bring it down this way, on the right side. Shri Mataji: What you have to do is only the brain. There is nothing to be brought down because ego is not going to come up to your waist, you see. The brain stays here. Maybe, you see, in don't know in modern times where it's going to be. [Laughter]. Now, these days, people are so particular about their waist size maybe? [Shri Mataji is laughing.] So anything is possible with you, one day you can have a nose starting coming out of your laps, this time I won't be surprised. And the nose, you see, everything is possible with human beings. They are trying hard to have a new evolutionary style. Because there are some who want to believe that there must be some other way around. For human beings, they cannot think of one way. Because there will be no choice left to [inaudible]. But you are made like this that you have to eat from here [the mouth], there is no choice, whatever it is. [Laughter] And if you try to choose things then, you see, then it happens that the food has to go through the nose. [Laughter] Making choices also, you see, gives you such a waste of time. But this is ego trick, right-hand side. For example, only one advantage is there that if you use your right side properly, put your heart in it, then you create variety to create beauty. But you create, not choose, you see, there's a difference. If you start choosing, then your ego will develop. But if you create, then beauty will develop. But they take about half an hour on a table to decide what they will eat. Instead of that, they should decide what they will not eat. That's simple. Means you have a wider choice, you can eat whatever is there. But the important things are what you don't do. But if you say that: "I like". Say, if I'm sitting down and I say: "I like Buckingham Palace". Then, do I get it? If I say that: “I don't like Buckingham Palace” then the rest is available. [Laughter] You can have whatever you like. [Inaudible] human beings, they have a brain of their own type. Animals are like that. Supposing they have some trouble, then they will not eat something that is not to be eaten by instinct and they will eat all that they can eat. But not that on the table you decide half an hour what you will have, whether you'll have some salmon fish or a trout fish or this fish or the tail of the fish or the eye of the fish. Or they'll have an ox, which part of the tail? Horrible, such a waste of time. They sit together, enjoy each other to enjoy the food. And that's how the enjoyment is in minimum. For Sahaja Yogis, they should develop an attitude towards anything: “I like this, I like this, I like this.” All the time the same. Not go saying: “I don't like it, I don't like it, I don't like it.” Ultimately, they will like something which they cannot have. Like, you see, we had somebody French in India. So, he looked at Indian art, he said: “I don't like it, it is too much, it is naive.” I said: “How can you certify?” According to French, maybe it is naive, but maybe according to the whole world, the French are naive. So, how can you say it? It is- try to appreciate. He said: “We like art which is very little here and there.” I said: “Supposing, God had made you with very few hairs here and there, would that look nice?” The head, you need a lot of hair, on the eyelids you need less, here you will need another kind. How can you condemn anyone like that? If you have a large heart you appreciate everything. That's how you minimize the objects of joys. Every art gives a different type of joy. There must be a thousand types of joys according to Indians' standards, thousand names. There names, names. There are names. For example, the joy you get when you break your Sahasrara is called as "nirananda". You know, my name is Nira. I'm called by name "nira" [water] in my home, it's a short form of Nirmala. It means Maria also. [Some big noise] [Laughter] Shri Mataji: Next time I come, I try this. [Laughter] Marie: It sounds like a sports car. Shri Mataji: Is it? I don't know but [inaudible] it could be something better. [Laughter] It is French style. [Inaudible] It has to be appealing to your vibrations that the point, appealing to your Spirit. That's only possible after Realization that you can have absolute joys. Before that it is so in the head. It has not absolute value. So, why waste time? All right? Let's have food. END OF PART 1 PART 2 Shri Mataji: [Inaudible] In the West, they have “lacquer” ornament. Sahaja Yogi: Laqué? Shri Mataji: They say it's from here “lacquer” Marie: [Inaudible] They do rather ordinary classical plain things … Sahaja Yogi: It's for painting. Shri Mataji: It's available for painting. Chinese lacquer. They do it in France. You have it here. Sahaja Yogi: The shop downstairs sells only the- Shri Mataji: They sell better lacquers or not? Sahaja Yogi: Many yes. … varnish Shri Mataji: Lacquer. Sahaja Yogi: […] Shri Mataji: How are you? It's very good. Sahaja Yogi: It means nothing to You. Shri Mataji: What's this? Sahaja Yogi: [??] Shri Mataji: This program here in the small hall that she had arranged was very successful. There were lots of seekers. And you came from that program? [rue de Charonne] Shri Mataji: What about you? Marie: He's come before. Shri Mataji: Which program you came first? Marie: Rue de Charonne. It was in that hall that we had here. Shri Mataji: That's the right type of people came in there. Marie: Mother, can you put a bandhan because the administration that runs it, they did not want us to use it anymore. I think they get the idea that we are a sort of “sect”. Shri Mataji: Sect? Sahaja Yogi: I think it is a problem we have because it's very hard to - Marie: If you put a bandhan on it, I'll go tot talk to them and I'm sure we can rent the hall there again. Shri Mataji: You should take [?] Marie: So I have to go and talk to them. Shri Mataji: Ah. [...] Shri Mataji: What about you sir, are you all right? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: We are trying to establish Djamel here. If Djamel is here, he may come to Paris, Djamel. And I said that he should rent out a place like that, you see. All of us must contribute and then start a place. They do all kind of sort of place Sahaja Yogi: A public place. Shri Mataji: Hum. Where you all can live together … Yes, you can take a place- like we have seminars, it's on hire, in London where you all live there as well as you have a hall and something else. So that for Sahaja Yoga, discipline can be worked out collectively. Otherwise, you don't grow in collectivity. That's the problem Alexander has, he says that, collectivity is a problem. At first there conflicts between Sahaja Yogis also. But, once you start living together, your vibrations intermingle and they talk to each other in a way such relationships fit into each other and the angularities drop out. The problems come from your ego and superego and then you start seeing them clearly when you are with others because then, they are reflected. Then they manifest, you start seeing them. Come along. Only in collectivity you can recognize yourself better. [Inaudible] So the circulation of vibrations, you see, is possible if you establish better relationship with each other and that's only possible when you love each other. But if you don't love, there's a big problem. Then you start judging others. Come along, come along, Olympia. Olympia. [Shri Mataji is talking to a baby] What happens, what happens, where did you sleep last night? Olympia. What's happening? So, I would suggest that you should live together and want to be with others. Unless and until you do that here, your- what you call – the collectivity won't exist. And unless and until there's circulation of vibrations, you cannot grow. The adaptability with others if you cannot improve, then you cannot grow. So, you have to sacrifice something so much that you think that it happens [unsure] to yourself and you have to accept yourself as part and parcel and then negativity will reduce. Negativity attacks people who are individualistic who have sort of- separated themselves from others and keep away from others. Allan, he has experienced that he says: "Yes, yes". [unsure] [Inaudible] There is a mutual help of every flower like that, they are in variety. Explain. But the whole thing makes a beautiful place. The whole must give a feeling of concord and a complete melody in construction. So, to strike a new note is not always all right. But to strike a new dimension in the note is all right. But to start a some sort of concept that makes a discord, it fails the very melody, it spoils the whole, you see? So one person can spoil the whole. And the whole cannot correct one. So the responsibility of one is more as you are part and parcel of the whole. So you have to find back yourself, you see. But if you go on saying: "Oh, I'm right. I'm all right. I'll compete with you" so you create a problem for the whole. And you can create a disaster for the whole, for the collectivity, because the whole has to come up. It's like to the whole knit a sweater, you can say, if one stitch breaks, the whole sweater is out. Once you have a hole, it can become a very big hole and it starts to cover the whole knitting. That's why you have to have improvement before and the consideration of others. If you do not understand your responsibility as an individual to the whole, you really create a big problem. Because now you have entered into the whole knitting. If you are outside of it, there's no problem. But when you are inside, you have to fight it out. Like, it is easy to tell Me that: "Mother, this is wrong with me and this goes wrong with me. I know." And that is not the way you can be all right. From the moment you see what's wrong with you, try to correct it. We have all the methods in Sahaja Yoga. You can establish all your centers. or example, a catch, you can take a kind of a mantra which you can repeat hundred and eight times. Every day, you do it religiously, it will clear you chakras. I mean, you all are seekers of very high quality, no doubt. But you are not yet aware of your own Self, you see. That's why you get lost into anything but you have to be extremely positive as far as looking at yourself. Think that you have a diamond and that it has fallen in the filth. Then you don' say that: "This filth is covering me." You must screen the filth. Don't give any justifications. You try to save your diamond, isn't it? You go all out to save that. No need any explanations. That's how you run away from reality. It's a little struggle but you ended up all your conflicts. Once you decide you are going to be all right, then you'll end up your conflicts. At any cost, we are going to improve, we should say. And as it is inside Sahaja Yoga, you don't sacrifice much, you don't have to sacrifice. Then we don't demand all your money, don't demand your comforts or demand all your time! But all these [false] gurus have demanded something. But, on the contrary, Sahaja Yoga gives you all these things. And you are blessed with this. Despite that, you start taking it for granted. Only thing you have to sacrifice is your ego and superego. Because you are not that! This is only your conditioning that is disturbing you. But, you can say I'm conditioned like that. And you may explain because you don't want to articulate. You will not be able to adapt anything because you have that ego within you. So ego and superego: both are just the same. Now, if you put that diamond in the filth, whatever type of filth it is, it is filth, isn't it? The only thing is that superego troubles you that why you run away from Me. Superego troubles you. But the ego, ego troubles others. Now, how to find out what you are? You 'll know when you stay with people. Like, you trouble others. You will demand all the time. "It should be like this, it should be like that. Why not like that, why not this, why this happened, that happened?" "I must have my own time, I must see this, I must see this". All this is ego. And the superego is that in which we suffer. You may be nice to others but inside you are suffering. And your heirs may be suffering. Marie: Hum? Shri Mataji: Heirs, [inaudible] children. So, this is how you discover it. So, you have to work it out both ways. One thing about Sahaja Yogis that they should know that they are Realized souls. They are saints and they are much higher than all these popes and all of these pandits and all of these gurus, those who are in the market. They are higher than all the priests and all the preachers and all the writers and the philosophers. 22:39

Seminar, day 2, 4 Chemin de Montrognon, 95660 Champagne-sur-Oise, France, June 21th, 1981, how to use the Grace PART 1 Shri Mataji: ...Yes, I hope today [we'll] have something practical about love. Marie [in French]: Today, Mother would like to speak about something very practical about love. Shri Mataji: That we should understand when something happens to us what should we do about it. Say, if you are, this time you were tired, you feel tired then what is happening? We have on the right-hand side the "prana vayu", it's the prana, it's the right-hand side, the major prana. So, the right side energy is exhausted too much. And when it gets exhausted it freezes the heart, you see. I mean, we do the more work through the right, so the left is frozen. So, we should put our hand on our heart, right hand, or put the left to the right when we are tired. Another way could be to put your left hand on your head, left side, and put right hand towards the photograph. Another very good idea is to get vibrations on the right-hand side if you are very tired or depressed, I should say when depressed. When you feel depressed, then you feel the heaviness here [Back Agnya] also. If it is too much on the back, then you put your right hand and the left hand towards the photograph. But mostly, you see, this energy of mana is Manashakti on the left-hand side. And then, because of the exhaustion of that Shakti, you feel very, very tired. So then, that means ultimately, you'll find out that it is too much exhausted here, due to too much use of the left side. So, our right is to be, right is to be raised. So, the first one is a physical exhaustion. And second one is an exhaustion of your mental, emotional [inaudible] I don't know what is in their mind, what they mean if it's superego. If it's superego, that is mind, I mean. In Sanskrit language, it is called as Manashakti, "mana", "manasa". So, now, these two different things have to be understood that if you have, say, a depression on the right-hand side because of physical exhaustion, then you should try to take vibrations from the left. And when there is a mental exhaustion in the sense that you feel depressed and all that, then put right towards the photograph and the left hand on the head. You might feel also heaviness, you might feel also heaviness on the head, on the left part. So now, you realize that when there is a depression due to over-mental activity, brain activity, actually your heart gets exhausted - not exhausted but frozen. But on the contrary, you see, when your heart is exhausted, I mean when you mentally or - what you call – emotionally you are exhausted, then your brainless start, the [inaudible] we can say, the brain is frozen. So, it is just the other way round, you have to do it. Supposing you are physically exhausted, then you should listen to some nice poetry or some music or something romantic or something, say, solacing or peaceful sort of things. But if you are more exhausted because of your too much mental activity or too much of emotional activity, then you should listen to war programs or some things, [Laughter] some things of great excitement [inaudible]. Excitement [Laughter] But, you see, nothing should be led too far otherwise one moment you'll be listening to [??] music, to something melodious, you see, so you'll be this way, that way. Once you have recovered, then you just settle down in the center. This is for balancing. Now we must understand how to take the Grace upon ourselves. It's just the other way round. Now, supposing you have the problem of exhaustion of right side and the heart is catching and you are taking vibrations from the photograph, then you put your left hand. So, when you have to take the Grace, you have to take it from the right side and put it on the left-hand side, like this. Now if you are exhausted, physically you feel exhausted, then this is the other way round one has to go - I mean, I'm sorry - if you are feeling exhausted on the left-hand side, if you have exhausted your energy on the left hand-side, then you fill it up like this [with the right hand], all right? So, for raising your Kundalini - and it's to be done on the point - like, supposing you have exhausted yourself physically, all right? Take it. Now, you put your hand on the heart, all right? And the giving of bandhan has to be at this time because the Grace has to come here, it has to be the other way round. ,See, we take the Grace like this. Now, say, if you have to take the Grace with it like that. I'm sorry- the Grace has to come to us on the right-hand side because if right side is exhausted, so what we do is to rise right side to take left. I'll give an example, one simple example. [Inaudible] Now, this one [the white candle] is the -say- the sun or we can say the right side. And this [the red candle] is the left side, all right? All right. Now, this one [the red candle] is burning too much; this one is burning too much, it is exhausted, all right? And this one [the white candle] is dead. This one is dead, all right? So, we have to enlighten this one. All right, and this is to be put down a little bit. This is to be put down and this is to be enlightened. All right, do you follow this point? Sahaja Yogis: Hum [means yes]. This one is enlightenment and this is to be put down or to be given more of energy because it is exhausted. All right? So, to give the energy, what we do is to bring the energy from the Grace on this side. All right? And to enlighten this we raise it. Sahaja Yogi [to Marie]: Non, non, non avec la main droite, tu remontes [No, no, no with the right hand, you go up.] Shri Mataji: No, no, no, we raise it like that. We raise the side which is not yet enlightened, which is frozen. Did you follow now? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, absolutely. We take the right side and we pull it up, take the Grace and put it down to the left side. Shri Mataji: Grace, you put down because Grace cools it down, gives it more energy. Did you follow that point? We'll be practising it, now, all of you. [To Marie] And you tell them now. Reduce the recording... [Cut in the audio] And Kundalini is also reflecting Grace. So, whatever is present in the atmosphere is the absolute Grace, all right? So, whichever is sleeping is to be awakened, means the one which you have not exhausted, the one which is frozen. Did you follow that? Sahaja Yogis: Hum [means yes]. Shri Mataji: Marie can feel it? Marie: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ah! You must ask Me. Gavin, did you follow? What is the conclusion? Gavin: So, when it is- you want to raise the left, the right, then you do the opposite and you're going down- Sahaja Yogi: No. Gavin: No? [Laughter]. Shri Mataji: I'll tell you. When, when it is to be awakened, you see, then you raise it, correct. [Inaudible]. This type. When you have to awaken, you have to raise. But when to have to fill it, when you have to fill into it, you see, then you have to move the Grace onto you. So, the reflected Grace is used for raising the Kundalini. And the real Grace is used for filling. Gavin: When do we awaken and when do we fill in? Shri Mataji: Now, the one we have exhausted very much, Gavin: Yes. Shri Mataji: We fill it. Gavin: OK. Shri Mataji: And the one which are not used, we awaken. Gavin: So, it's a matter of how far we awaken left side and we fill it in into right side. OK, now we want to- right side, you awaken right side and you fill it into the left side. Shri Mataji: All right? Gavin: All right, OK now. Shri Mataji: Now, say, if you have too much ego, what will you do? [Laughter]. Because ego, you see, has crossed over so how you are doing is to put this thing left like this and the right side. Actually, ego comes up because of the exhaustion of your right side. All right? So to bring it down, you raise your left side, push up the left side and bring it down. Like, you can say when we exhaust our right side and work for many – say we plan, we think, or we create something or we go into action of any kind physical or mental, means the brains, you see. Or we live in our future, spoiling our liver, then what happens is our right side is exhausted and the left side is very weak, is frozen. Also heart gets frozen because ego is created as a by-product. Ego is a by-product of our over-activity of the sun line or the Prana-Brahma Shakti. Then what we have to do is to bring it down. So, what we do is to bring the Grace upon ourselves and bring it down, the Grace with this. Do you follow that? Gavin: Mother, do we do it this way to put the balloon of the ego? On the left side, this way: down, this way, right? Shri Mataji: Ah. Gavin: Like that. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Gavin: Because the ego balloon is covering this way. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Gavin: So we bring it down this way, on the right side. Shri Mataji: What you have to do is only the brain. There is nothing to be brought down because ego is not going to come up to your waist, you see. The brain stays here. Maybe, you see, in don't know in modern times where it's going to be. [Laughter]. Now, these days, people are so particular about their waist size maybe? [Shri Mataji is laughing.] So anything is possible with you, one day you can have a nose starting coming out of your laps, this time I won't be surprised. And the nose, you see, everything is possible with human beings. They are trying hard to have a new evolutionary style. Because there are some who want to believe that there must be some other way around. For human beings, they cannot think of one way. Because there will be no choice left to [inaudible]. But you are made like this that you have to eat from here [the mouth], there is no choice, whatever it is. [Laughter] And if you try to choose things then, you see, then it happens that the food has to go through the nose. [Laughter] Making choices also, you see, gives you such a waste of time. But this is ego trick, right-hand side. For example, only one advantage is there that if you use your right side properly, put your heart in it, then you create variety to create beauty. But you create, not choose, you see, there's a difference. If you start choosing, then your ego will develop. But if you create, then beauty will develop. But they take about half an hour on a table to decide what they will eat. Instead of that, they should decide what they will not eat. That's simple. Means you have a wider choice, you can eat whatever is there. But the important things are what you don't do. But if you say that: "I like". Say, if I'm sitting down and I say: "I like Buckingham Palace". Then, do I get it? If I say that: “I don't like Buckingham Palace” then the rest is available. [Laughter] You can have whatever you like. [Inaudible] human beings, they have a brain of their own type. Animals are like that. Supposing they have some trouble, then they will not eat something that is not to be eaten by instinct and they will eat all that they can eat. But not that on the table you decide half an hour what you will have, whether you'll have some salmon fish or a trout fish or this fish or the tail of the fish or the eye of the fish. Or they'll have an ox, which part of the tail? Horrible, such a waste of time. They sit together, enjoy each other to enjoy the food. And that's how the enjoyment is in minimum. For Sahaja Yogis, they should develop an attitude towards anything: “I like this, I like this, I like this.” All the time the same. Not go saying: “I don't like it, I don't like it, I don't like it.” Ultimately, they will like something which they cannot have. Like, you see, we had somebody French in India. So, he looked at Indian art, he said: “I don't like it, it is too much, it is naive.” I said: “How can you certify?” According to French, maybe it is naive, but maybe according to the whole world, the French are naive. So, how can you say it? It is- try to appreciate. He said: “We like art which is very little here and there.” I said: “Supposing, God had made you with very few hairs here and there, would that look nice?” The head, you need a lot of hair, on the eyelids you need less, here you will need another kind. How can you condemn anyone like that? If you have a large heart you appreciate everything. That's how you minimize the objects of joys. Every art gives a different type of joy. There must be a thousand types of joys according to Indians' standards, thousand names. There names, names. There are names. For example, the joy you get when you break your Sahasrara is called as "nirananda". You know, my name is Nira. I'm called by name "nira" [water] in my home, it's a short form of Nirmala. It means Maria also. [Some big noise] [Laughter] Shri Mataji: Next time I come, I try this. [Laughter] Marie: It sounds like a sports car. Shri Mataji: Is it? I don't know but [inaudible] it could be something better. [Laughter] It is French style. [Inaudible] It has to be appealing to your vibrations that the point, appealing to your Spirit. That's only possible after Realization that you can have absolute joys. Before that it is so in the head. It has not absolute value. So, why waste time? All right? Let's have food. END OF PART 1 PART 2 Shri Mataji: [Inaudible] In the West, they have “lacquer” ornament. Sahaja Yogi: Laqué? Shri Mataji: They say it's from here “lacquer” Marie: [Inaudible] They do rather ordinary classical plain things … Sahaja Yogi: It's for painting. Shri Mataji: It's available for painting. Chinese lacquer. They do it in France. You have it here. Sahaja Yogi: The shop downstairs sells only the- Shri Mataji: They sell better lacquers or not? Sahaja Yogi: Many yes. … varnish Shri Mataji: Lacquer. Sahaja Yogi: […] Shri Mataji: How are you? It's very good. Sahaja Yogi: It means nothing to You. Shri Mataji: What's this? Sahaja Yogi: [??] Shri Mataji: This program here in the small hall that she had arranged was very successful. There were lots of seekers. And you came from that program? [rue de Charonne] Shri Mataji: What about you? Marie: He's come before. Shri Mataji: Which program you came first? Marie: Rue de Charonne. It was in that hall that we had here. Shri Mataji: That's the right type of people came in there. Marie: Mother, can you put a bandhan because the administration that runs it, they did not want us to use it anymore. I think they get the idea that we are a sort of “sect”. Shri Mataji: Sect? Sahaja Yogi: I think it is a problem we have because it's very hard to - Marie: If you put a bandhan on it, I'll go tot talk to them and I'm sure we can rent the hall there again. Shri Mataji: You should take [?] Marie: So I have to go and talk to them. Shri Mataji: Ah. [...] Shri Mataji: What about you sir, are you all right? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: We are trying to establish Djamel here. If Djamel is here, he may come to Paris, Djamel. And I said that he should rent out a place like that, you see. All of us must contribute and then start a place. They do all kind of sort of place Sahaja Yogi: A public place. Shri Mataji: Hum. Where you all can live together … Yes, you can take a place- like we have seminars, it's on hire, in London where you all live there as well as you have a hall and something else. So that for Sahaja Yoga, discipline can be worked out collectively. Otherwise, you don't grow in collectivity. That's the problem Alexander has, he says that, collectivity is a problem. At first there conflicts between Sahaja Yogis also. But, once you start living together, your vibrations intermingle and they talk to each other in a way such relationships fit into each other and the angularities drop out. The problems come from your ego and superego and then you start seeing them clearly when you are with others because then, they are reflected. Then they manifest, you start seeing them. Come along. Only in collectivity you can recognize yourself better. [Inaudible] So the circulation of vibrations, you see, is possible if you establish better relationship with each other and that's only possible when you love each other. But if you don't love, there's a big problem. Then you start judging others. Come along, come along, Olympia. Olympia. [Shri Mataji is talking to a baby] What happens, what happens, where did you sleep last night? Olympia. What's happening? So, I would suggest that you should live together and want to be with others. Unless and until you do that here, your- what you call – the collectivity won't exist. And unless and until there's circulation of vibrations, you cannot grow. The adaptability with others if you cannot improve, then you cannot grow. So, you have to sacrifice something so much that you think that it happens [unsure] to yourself and you have to accept yourself as part and parcel and then negativity will reduce. Negativity attacks people who are individualistic who have sort of- separated themselves from others and keep away from others. Allan, he has experienced that he says: "Yes, yes". [unsure] [Inaudible] There is a mutual help of every flower like that, they are in variety. Explain. But the whole thing makes a beautiful place. The whole must give a feeling of concord and a complete melody in construction. So, to strike a new note is not always all right. But to strike a new dimension in the note is all right. But to start a some sort of concept that makes a discord, it fails the very melody, it spoils the whole, you see? So one person can spoil the whole. And the whole cannot correct one. So the responsibility of one is more as you are part and parcel of the whole. So you have to find back yourself, you see. But if you go on saying: "Oh, I'm right. I'm all right. I'll compete with you" so you create a problem for the whole. And you can create a disaster for the whole, for the collectivity, because the whole has to come up. It's like to the whole knit a sweater, you can say, if one stitch breaks, the whole sweater is out. Once you have a hole, it can become a very big hole and it starts to cover the whole knitting. That's why you have to have improvement before and the consideration of others. If you do not understand your responsibility as an individual to the whole, you really create a big problem. Because now you have entered into the whole knitting. If you are outside of it, there's no problem. But when you are inside, you have to fight it out. Like, it is easy to tell Me that: "Mother, this is wrong with me and this goes wrong with me. I know." And that is not the way you can be all right. From the moment you see what's wrong with you, try to correct it. We have all the methods in Sahaja Yoga. You can establish all your centers. or example, a catch, you can take a kind of a mantra which you can repeat hundred and eight times. Every day, you do it religiously, it will clear you chakras. I mean, you all are seekers of very high quality, no doubt. But you are not yet aware of your own Self, you see. That's why you get lost into anything but you have to be extremely positive as far as looking at yourself. Think that you have a diamond and that it has fallen in the filth. Then you don' say that: "This filth is covering me." You must screen the filth. Don't give any justifications. You try to save your diamond, isn't it? You go all out to save that. No need any explanations. That's how you run away from reality. It's a little struggle but you ended up all your conflicts. Once you decide you are going to be all right, then you'll end up your conflicts. At any cost, we are going to improve, we should say. And as it is inside Sahaja Yoga, you don't sacrifice much, you don't have to sacrifice. Then we don't demand all your money, don't demand your comforts or demand all your time! But all these [false] gurus have demanded something. But, on the contrary, Sahaja Yoga gives you all these things. And you are blessed with this. Despite that, you start taking it for granted. Only thing you have to sacrifice is your ego and superego. Because you are not that! This is only your conditioning that is disturbing you. But, you can say I'm conditioned like that. And you may explain because you don't want to articulate. You will not be able to adapt anything because you have that ego within you. So ego and superego: both are just the same. Now, if you put that diamond in the filth, whatever type of filth it is, it is filth, isn't it? The only thing is that superego troubles you that why you run away from Me. Superego troubles you. But the ego, ego troubles others. Now, how to find out what you are? You 'll know when you stay with people. Like, you trouble others. You will demand all the time. "It should be like this, it should be like that. Why not like that, why not this, why this happened, that happened?" "I must have my own time, I must see this, I must see this". All this is ego. And the superego is that in which we suffer. You may be nice to others but inside you are suffering. And your heirs may be suffering. Marie: Hum? Shri Mataji: Heirs, [inaudible] children. So, this is how you discover it. So, you have to work it out both ways. One thing about Sahaja Yogis that they should know that they are Realized souls. They are saints and they are much higher than all these popes and all of these pandits and all of these gurus, those who are in the market. They are higher than all the priests and all the preachers and all the writers and the philosophers. 22:39

6/25/1981

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The Ocean of Love

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1981-06-25, The Ocean of Love (Public Program) I told you about the three powers we have within ourselves: one is the power of desire that is on the left-hand side; and the another power of action which is on the right-hand side; and the central power which is the power of our [divinity OR evolution]. Also I told you about the centers that we have. The lowest center is below the Kundalini which is responsible for our innocence. When this center gets disturbed then our innocence is also disturbed. This is a very, very important center for Sahaja Yoga. It plays a very vital role in your evolution. Whatever you have done before or you have done now to spoil the awakening of the Kundalini or you can say to spoil the Sushumna, the central part, is all recorded in that Kundalini Itself. But the recording takes place because this center which is at the end, which is innocence, receives all the information from this conditioning line, the left side. It receives all the information and it records, just like a tape recorder. So the Kundalini is aware of the mistakes that are committed by you personally, by the society, by the conditioning of the, your seeking, by all sorts of things that you have done so far, by which you have tried to hamper the path of your Realization. So this is the path, the central path which is very important for your [ascent]. But that should not give you a guilt. One thing I must tell you, when I speak you should not take Me that seriously. Because that’s the worst thing that happens to you, that you start developing a guilt, and then the Realization becomes very difficult. So please do not develop any guilt when I say something, or just start pondering, “Oh, I have done this mistake and that mistake.” Because I’m talking of first and last time as I said it and today is the first time I would say again to begin with that I’m talking of Ocean of Love. If you were so perfect there was no need to have Sahaja Yoga. There was no need to do anything. Should have been the simplest job, you see. Anybody could have done it. Because there are complications and problems that somebody has to work it out. So there is nothing to feel guilty about it. First thing I have to request today is not to feel guilty about anything. So the second center is the second center, is of your activity, as I told you. So through your activity also you create problems on the central line. Now how do you create that? It’s like this. You can see the left and the right and the central. Central part is the Sushumna. Now these two start working. When they work very hard or they pull each other on the sides, then sometimes this may be dislocation completely by which you lose your complete connection with the whole. Or could be that it may narrow down, the path may narrow down, and sometimes it can be very much injured or sick. These centers could be very sick. Before we discuss about the deities on these centers I would like to say that all these powers, these three powers get enlightened after your Realization. Before your Realization there is no enlightenment. For example, the left-hand side power is the power of desire. First of all, your priorities start changing. Say, a person wants to buy a very comfortable car, a car like Rolls Royce, for example. He dreams, “I must have a Rolls Royce. I must have a nice Rolls Royce to go out.” But after Realization he doesn’t like much these things. The reason is he starts feeling the comfort of Rolls Royce within himself. He forgets about all these things. His attention does not go to these things which look apparently very comfortable. They are not. If you see through the scrutinizing, say for example take the question of Rolls Royce. It’s a headache to have such a so-called comfortable car. Because somebody [might, will] steal, and you have to have insurance. Insurance people might have loophole somewhere. You may lose the money. If something happens to the car you are so much worried. While you are driving you are so much worried somebody bumps into your car if you go in such a nice car. I mean, it’s a headache to possess a Rolls Royce. It’s better that somebody has it and you, you enjoy it. But if you own it and if you possess it, then you go to this registration office to register it there and this and that, and it’s a big headache. And the worst of all is that people are jealous of you. They don’t like you. They don’t like you because you have got a, I mean, what is the advantage of having a Rolls Royce car? But then that it is so many disadvantages. Plus, I mean, on the one side only you can say, I don’t know which one, what should I say, what is the advantage? Maybe that I mean it’s a good car, reliable car and all that could be there, a quality-wise all that there. But for that how much you have to sacrifice and how much you have to work so to possess something. The idea of possession becomes different. Then you want to possess these cool vibrations, you see. You want to possess that, because you get really fed up of other possessions and you start seeing that this is what gives you the greatest comfort and [joy]. You start just changing your desires of all the things. The second desire is about, say, some people want to have a, say, a good family life and for that just try, even there are Romeos and Juliets and this and that, all kinds of things crying and weeping there. All thing goes on and the husband doesn’t carry on with the wife and the wife doesn’t carry on with the husband and then they feel very hurt and all those things happen, that they fail. That you feel that you can get happiness from your wife is absolutely wrong, I tell you. You can never get happiness from anybody else but from your Spirit. The joy comes from your Spirit, not from anybody else. Now supposing a Sahaja Yogi has married a person who is not a Sahaja Yogi. It’s a wonderful [circumstance]. You can study a person so close who is not a Sahaja Yogi, how he is prankish, how he goes into tantrums and how he’ll behave. You get a regular elegy, means sort of a role being played by someone. You start seeing the whole drama much better. Supposing he is a Sahaja Yogi, may be little insecure but they can’t because there won’t be any problem or a quarrel but you see then, you see the person how he behaves and how he is. Then you understand. You understand that why he‘ll behave like this and what we have to do, what are the, what are the problems and how to make the arrangements by which these people stop going into these holes and getting stuck-up into them. You see, you start studying it. When you start studying like that, not getting angry and impatient with the person who is your partner, then you will start enjoying. But if you start getting impatient, in the beginning when the Sahaja Yogis do feel impatient with their partners because they are not Sahaja Yogis. They think that people are lost now, what will they do, then when are they going to get their Realization and all that. Instead of that, if you really develop properly, if you go properly you start seeing it in a different angle. “Oh, that’s the way they are.” You see, when you start generalizing all [these things], then you do not say, “This is my wife. She should have been like this. This is my wife.” You know, some people think because somebody is your wife, she should be a perfect personality. And because she’s your wife and what are you? Are you perfect? I mean, why do you expect your wife to be that perfect? If she has kept one thing you here or there or he, I mean, it can be any way, I mean he or she, does not matter. Whosoever has done so-called mistake you say actually it comes because you think you are absolutely perfect, on the top of the world, you see. And that’s why you try to find faults with another person. But you see when you are Sahaja Yogi you realize that you have to grow; you have to mature. And how can you find faults with people like that? Only thing you can do is to study the whole thing because the whole thing becomes a drama. OK, you become. You start seeing the whole thing as a drama and it doesn’t behave the way you want. He used to behave as if that these circumstances sometimes are engulfing, and you can become fanatical. I see here people, you see because the husband came late. So wife hits the husband and kills him or something like that. But see how funny it is. She, she was angry with him. He came late or whatever he did was because he did not love her. She felt that it was due that he should love. And to love should you kill the husband? Then who is going to love you? See this kind of thing, you see, you start thinking very, I should say, paradoxical behavior of people. They’re so paradoxical, and the whole thing becomes so apparent and so vivid when you start seeing it through your Spirit because you are not within it. You are yourself. You are not now the husband or wife or anything, but you see yourself as a husband and another person as a wife, or you see yourself as a wife and another person as a husband. And it’s a very different thing and then the whole thing becomes such a drama and such a beautiful poetry that you start seeing, you [see/can] feel that, oh, the old Shakespeare is coming before you or whatsoever. Most dramatic thing it’s happening to you. So this is another thing, that our desire has changed, that you see, “I want a peaceful life.” You see, but the peace is within; peace is not outside. If you are not peaceful within [you / the] inside, you cannot be peaceful outside. Anybody who will see you will know that you are not at all peaceful within. You have to find your own peace, your own bliss and if you want, you want to have that it is you who has to receive. This is the thing, and it is you who have to enjoy it. So no use blaming anybody else by saying that, “Oh, I’m so unhappy and this was, she was not making much, much noise,” or, “I get very disturbed.” Then you don’t feel this. Actually, after Realization you’ll be surprised all this over-sensitivity used to harm you and to, noises and all that, that disappear. Because you enter into your silence within. Let the people shout, scream, you are in your silence [moment], start singing and sometimes you also think that they are shouting at somebody who just can’t hear them. The whole priorities of your desires start changing because you start enjoying something. For example, to a child who has never eaten ice-cream and has just taken, say, only milk all his life, if you give him ice-cream, then he shifts his attention to ice-cream much more than to milk. In the same way, once you taste or you get the nectar of your spiritual bliss pouring into you, these ideas that are built up about your desires all start collapsing and what you find a new sort of a personality comes in you and you start desiring something else. For example, a, an egg may be desiring something which a bird does not. Bird has different desires and an egg has different desires. In the same way it happens to us when we change our state, when we are in a different situation as far as our Spirit is concerned. Then all our desires take a different turn and we become differently made. Like our many habits that we have because of our conditionings and things and people have so many habits that sometimes I’m really surprised how people boast of their habits. Like a lady came to Me, she boasted with, by telling Me, “Oh, You know I can’t take milk with any cream on it. If I see cream, I’ll vomit.” I said, “This is too much for Me and now. How far I will go? Mad.” Then she came out with something else, “You know I’m so particular about [sleep] and in my bed if there’s even one light I can’t sleep.” Then how does she exist [even]? Mad woman. Like that she just can’t bear this; she just can’t bear that. She’s so very [queer and so funny. I said, “How people must be living with her?” Must be another problem, the way she lives on. And she really bored Me stiff and I didn’t know what to tell her. But then I just said, “What about your husband? He is so normal. What’s the matter with you?” So said, “He is different. I’m different.” I said “You better become like him because is too much. I don’t know how he bears you up, but it’s too much.” I think that the thing was her husband was a realized soul and she was not. And he just saw her, saw her like that she was. He must be laughing at her the way she was fussy about the wanting. “I can’t bear this. I won’t have this. I won’t have this. I’m such and such. I’m such and such.” All these ideas about yourselves also come to you from your conditionings. For example, an Englishman thinks he’s an Englishman, you see – something upper lip. Then, then if you take an American he thinks he’s very rich and he may be very fast and he boasts of his fastness, you see. Sometimes they boast so much that it’s amazing the way they go about their speediness, you see, the way they are speedy. Then a German will boast of his over-meticulous efficiency or something like that. An Indian will boast of his ritualism and all nonsense that they do around. All sorts of things like that you find people being proud of, you see, to belong to a certain nation. It’s all right. It’s very good. You should be proud of your nation, but of good things and not of bad things. Now all such a conditioning that, “I am an Englishman. I am an Indian. I am this and that,” all fail, because these are demarcations created by human beings. I mean, God just created a beautiful [man/matter]. He had to put some rivers after all, you see. He had to put some mountains somewhere. He had to do all these things. He never asked you to get yourself divided. “I’m this. I’m that. I’m that.” We ourselves have done all this nonsense. I mean, think from God’s point of view. He must have wondering, “What’s the matter with these people?” We have to have immigrations, we have to have things to go to some country, we have to get a pass, we have to have a visa, we have to have this. Why? Because we are ourselves like that. We are ourselves, are so greedy, so selfish, everything is together. And that’s how all human beings are against God if you see, that He must be wondering, “What’s the matter with these people? I’ve given them such a beautiful world to enjoy themselves. Why don’t they enjoy?” Instead of that, every time they work on the energy of hatred, how to create hatred and all these different things [are/on] human conditionings are based. We can say about art and everything, also about conditionings are based up according to what we have been seeing. If somebody has been seeing the white color more or a grey color more they will always like it. If they have, say, if they have seen red all the time they’ll like red. It’s the only question of conditioning. It’s not question of your innate some sort of a spiritual feeling. Do not confuse Spirit with these material aspirations you have, or the material ideas you have; it’s wrong. Spirit is beyond; it’s that. It has nothing to do with what race, creed you are born into. It is not bothered about what things you think beautiful, what things you don’t. Because it is absolute. There is not [nothing relative]. It’s absolute. When you seek through your vibrations, you will be amazed that certain things, whether they are Indian, English or anything, you will not like [to see/say]. Certain things – they may be anything – you are going to enjoy. This absolute is a coefficient worked out by God’s mathematics, not by any human mathematics. And if that works out, then only you are going to like it because you like these vibrations. Ultimately you like the vibrations. The things that do not give you good vibrations, you are not going to have. I’ll give you an example. Supposing there’s a chair. It is being sat on by some negative personality. Any Sahaja Yogi will come there. If he just touched the chair, get up and walk out, may sit on the other one, because he’ll feel, immediately he’ll feel the vibrations, and he is not going to sit there. Just now [unclear name] she told Me about her daughter that, “A one magician came, and my daughter who is a realized soul, she said that, ‘He is a very funny man and I don’t like him.’ She started screaming.” Even a child can feel. It’s absolute. Everything becomes absolute, not because somebody has a blond hair or somebody has blue eyes or red lips or anything, but it is the whole, the whole of it. It is the coefficient of that personality that gives good vibrations which people are going to enjoy and are going to feel, and that is what that is going to appeal it, to appeal to them. So the whole idea of our color skins, of our art, our esthetics, fails. Only God’s esthetics are working out in us. We don’t like anything that is not divine, that’s not emitting vibrations. Even food, everybody will give vibrations to food, everything that they desire. For example, now I have people who are bad-livered, for example. Say in London it’s a common disease of bad liver. It’s absolutely liverish, surprisingly, and the worst is Europe. And Europe is the liver of the universe and where the liver is so bad. And the first questions they asked Me, “Mother, what is to be done about awareness and about liver?” I said, “Why? Why are you concerned?” “Because Europe, Europe is the liver of the universe and we are Europeans and we drink all through and what are we to do now?” I said, “Now you have a sick liver for the whole universe. You have a sick liver. So be careful about it. You have to work it out.” And then they wrote it down what is to be done, these things. They got it. They got through it. They said it is important because they felt not that they should keep their livers all right but they should get the liver of all the Europeans all right, because if the Europeans have bad livers God Himself is going to have a bad liver problem. See the whole idea changes because you start translating your ideas in relation to the whole. And when you start thinking of the whole that, “Oh, God, by me this is going to be caused and by this everybody is going to suffer,” then naturally, not mentally so much as through vibrations, you start doing it. You start improving. I’ve seen people that when I told them that, “You should not eat this,” then immediately they took it. I tell you, no doctor would have had such obedience as I have. But I don’t even tell that religiously, and I don’t tell them that frantically or in any way, but they just start doing it because they don’t want to lose their vibrations. If you have a bad liver you get very hot vibrations. Are you getting now? Vibrations. So this is what happens. This is the liver that gives you heat, and this liver must be cured because if liver is bad you can get cirrhosis, you can get this, you can get that; lots of problems can come in and you will be in trouble. And you start understanding your own value, the value of your health, more than material things. Doesn’t matter if you have one dress less or one house less; doesn’t matter. First of all, this body should be all right. And that is how the desire that you have a healthy body [works] in a proper way that you should have a proper body that should be the temple of God. [You should get that.] Same thing about your thoughts. You start cleaning them, you start seeing them and you start understanding why these thoughts are coming to me. From where are they coming? These thoughts are not good; they do not give you any nourishment. They are very exasperating and they tire you out. So you start working on that, you start making your mind, bringing down your mind and making your mind still and going into thoughtless awareness so that you have a tranquil feeling, which is so good, which is so nice. Everybody wants to have that [thoughtless/peace]. I mean, if you can achieve it through your spiritual growth, why not? Then the best part of it that you start seeing your ego and superego; that’s the best part. When you start seeing your ego like a big balloon, you see, getting out like that, oh God! And then you’ll say, “Mother, this is too much. I’ve never thought I have such a bad ego.” “It’s all right. Doesn’t matter. Calm down.” So they work on their ego and they start seeing it. And they say, “Oh Mother, this was my ego.” Once you start seeing it, it goes down. You cannot enjoy life if you have ego. Ego is the thing that [fills/kills] you completely; it will make you a spoilsport. It’s a spoil-sporting stuff, you see. It always gives you joy if it is pampered, and the pampering of it comes by spoiling the sport, the sport of the Divine. Such a person is an aggressor out and out and is a problem to everyone, and people do not know what to do with him. Everybody will know that he is too much aggressive but they’ll ignore. But the aggressor, he is the same as the person who takes aggression, I feel. The one who takes aggression hurts himself. Why should you hurt yourself? God has made this body so beautiful, with such care, with such love. He’s raised it from amoeba to this stage and have you decided to destroy it? This beautiful body, why do you want to destroy it? Why do you want to hurt it? So the superego also starts getting reduced. You start saying, “No, I don’t want to do it. I don’t want to play into the hands of negativity by which I become a useless temple.” Superego people sometimes, you see, have an idea, “Oh, that if we are very frightened of everyone, we are very good,” because Christ has said, “Bless the downtrodden”. That’s something different, very different to be seen in a very different light which I’ll explain to you later on. But the way people have interpreted is that if you become very mild and non-aggressive then you are a very nice person. I mean, I don’t say that you should be aggressive; I mean, again the other side should be clean. I talked of ego first so that you don’t become aggressive, but the thing is to be even non-aggressive is all right but we can say that to take aggression upon you is also wrong, very wrong. One should never take any aggression. I would say Hitler would never have been successful if at that time from the very beginning you would have resisted. But they allowed, they allowed them to take advantage gradually; gradually it grew up. Anywhere there is an operation like that coming out, everybody must stand against it. This is a very dangerous; it’s poison. Few people take aggression, then more people take aggression, you see, and those who go on backing up, “Oh, it’s all right. It’s all right”. This is another [world/one]. It grows and grows and grows, and this poison then comes up like such a controlling force that the whole world could not control this Germany to save these people who were killed, so helplessly. But they first showed their helplessness in the very beginning, at the very [point, moment] when somebody tells that you should stand up and say, “No, it’s not right.” So both the things are responsible for this kind of a derail. I would blame Jews the same way as I would blame Hitler and Germans because why should the Jews suffer so much to begin with? Now when they are free, they have got a land, they are behaving in a different manner. That time if they all would have stood up and said, “Nothing doing. We are not going to stand all this nonsense,” they could have taken help from other countries and could have saved those people. That’s what it is. You see, “We are sufferers.” Go ahead with suffering then. “We all suffer.” Why do you suffer? Christ has suffered for you, already suffered for you. You don’t have to suffer at all. You are not here to suffer. You are all here to enjoy, to be happy, to be drenched in His love; not to suffer. Why do you want to suffer? I mean, this is crucifixion for nothing at all. You are not needed for any more for crucifixions. But these things can create a big problem, I must tell you. This kind of witnessing of [cruel] people, negative people, these aggressive people, this silent witnessing is very wrong. One should not allow this kind of a filth to come out. Hatred that is developing anywhere in any country, any place, is wrong. Like in our country, India, we think Indians are not like that. They are also quite horrible. In our country also we have a untouchables and touchables. But Mahatma Gandhi came and he just flouted them. He said, “What do you mean by touchables and untouchables?” And he saw to it that it was removed. He himself was not from the same community as untouchables but there was a fellow from untouchables also. He was a very great doctor, American, who fought it. He said, “Nothing doing. We don’t believe in nonsense.” In the same way we have to know whether we belong to the oppressed or to the oppressor group, so-called. We should stand by people who are oppressed and we should really flout all such ideas because it’s very dangerous. So it happens that you stand up against all kind of injuries, unfair play. You get the courage [unclear]. Like Christ. What has He got to do with Maria Magdalena? She was a prostitute. Prostitutes have nothing to do with the saints as such. But when He saw that she was stoned by these people, out of proportion she was punished for what? He was the One who maintained this truth before you. That courage comes to you, through your spiritual growth, and you stand by the right. You stand by the people who are oppressed. You just don’t take anything in, like those ideas of bearing up and all that nonsense is gone. As it is, Christ has said that if somebody slaps you on one face you turn the other one. It was at the time of Romans. One had to say it. For egoistical people it is better practice, all those ego-oriented people. Most of the Christian nations, you can say, are that. For them is a good practice that if somebody slaps on one face, you turn the other one. But the people who are suppressed are, those say, we can say people who are living in the most [MISSING PART] They are great because they were realized souls, that greatness [you / should] get spontaneously because it is within you, to grow to that. You suddenly grow when the seed of your Spirit grows inward. And you are amazed at your great ideas and you will transcend all these [things], transcending attention and awareness. So this is what will happen to you. Because you don’t desire nonsense. That’s what I said and we desire [ascent] and we get it. You just desire to have whatever you want. Just ask for it; you’ll have it. But first we have to enlist ourselves into the kingdom of God. You have to become the kingdom. If I’m not the citizen of England I cannot get the benefit of English laws. If you are not the citizen of God’s kingdom you do not get the benefit. He has got His own telecommunication; He has got everything you won’t believe. And the way He works it out, it’s so tremendous. It is so magnificent. It’s so miraculous that then you start saying that, “All that we have known so far, it’s falsehood and it’s different.” This is the truth which we should achieve. We should establish, mature ourselves and enjoy it. It’s just for your enjoyment Sahaja Yoga has come on this earth and for nothing else. Today I’ve talked to you on one side. Tomorrow and next time when I come I’ll tell you on the other side. I hope in this center Sahaja Yoga will work out and you should go into the [depth of this] living organization. This is a living organization which does not have any membership, no payments, nothing. It’s a living thing, and the people will be attracted because of the love that they feel for each other and because of the love they feel for themselves. That’s all. Vibrations, these pure vibrations of Divine love, once you get them you don’t want to part with them. You just don’t want to part with them. They are so beautiful. May God bless you. Now have you any questions today? Are you better now, Brian? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: I’m working. Let’s have some questions; will be good idea. All right, it will be good. Some questions, please. Rather difficult. Better ask Me questions. You can’t ask. Trouble is, the Kundalini has risen about this, you see. Then you are in thoughtless awareness and don’t want to then go into thoughts, think over. Just you can’t think of a problem or a question. What happened? Yeah, people are coming. (Hindi) Now today we have in our presence Mr. Pradhan, who is now seventy-six, and he came to Me about twelve years back or eleven years back. He belongs to the first batch of Sahaja Yogis. And I’ve worked on them, about twenty-five of them for two years and after two years only twelve of them got Realization. After two years, can you believe it? He is one of them. And he is now going to America because I’ll be going to America so he wants to go and pave way for Me. He has come all the way from India. He is a lawyer, he’s an advocate and he has [had/that], a very great understanding of Sahaja Yoga. He’s helped Me a lot. Last time when I went to America also he came round. And he is our trustee. And we had to have a trust in India. You cannot even get a hall without a trust. Then we had a trust, and today there’s a good news that somebody has given us donation of one acre of land in Powa Lake area which is a very beautiful area in addition to what that they had given us. So I don’t know, maybe that people who want to now have places there, they could come and meditate and sit down. So it’s little far away from Bombay, about, say, I think about eight miles or so. It’s a very, very quiet area, very quiet area and there’s, there are two lakes there. It’s a very nice place. And today only I received [a / the] message saying that somebody has donated that. I was very happy that they have donated us because we could not buy any, any land, because I said that we’ll not give any black money nor any bribery or anything, and the land has to be proper price. We’ll not give extra money, [would be] public money but somehow or other now we got some land there. Now I would request one of the Sahaja Yogis to say few words about Mr. Pradhan, and then Mr. Pradhan will speak to you how Indian Sahaja Yogis have been to these people when they went to India and how they treated them and how they were kind and then Mr. Pradhan [unclear]. And Gavin will you, would you like to say few words or anyone who has been to India? Anyone. Sahaja Yogi: Mr. Gavin. Shri Mataji: About to see some places and Pradhan will say about his, because now he’ll be able to tell you what experiences he had. He’s an advocate and he’ll tell you some miraculous experiences he had had after Sahaja Yoga. Let’s see now. So what I said you, you’ll be little bit certified. Sahaja yogi: Mister Pradhan it’s a, it’s a great pleasure for us to receive you here and to be able to welcome you here. Shri Mataji: And Mrs. Pradhan is also with him. Sahaja yogi: Mrs. Pradhan is also here and, and we owe a great deal to Bombay Sahaja Yogis and especially to the senior ones who had looked after us on many visits now. Personally, I’ve been with my wife twice to India and both times we’ve been most generously and hospitably looked after. It’s quite a different style from the kind of hospitality we offer here. It’s a good deal more giving and more complete. Really, everything was seen to. Mr. Pradhan is such a quiet, I must [GW: a most?] unassuming personality. One doesn’t realize what a tremendous work he has done on the administrating side in establishing Sahaja Yoga in Bombay. I know he’s had a number of really remarkable experiences in Sahaja Yoga and I hope he will speak about those afterwards. We would just like to thank him for coming to our country and wish him every success [back / in] his trip to America which I’m sure it’s going to be a very important stage in the spreading of Sahaja Yoga. And I know Mr. Pradhan will quietly and efficiently set the scene for Mataji going in September. And we have something to present on behalf of Sahaja Yogis. Shri Mataji: [unclear] But let him speak first of all, then. Sahaja Yogi: Maybe after. Shri Mataji: He is My eldest [son now]. When he died he was ninety eight years old his [Hindi]. And this gentleman is no more now, this ninety years old gentleman but now he’s the eldest one. Mr. Pradhan: I am going, I have so many thanks for Gavin for speaking very good words about me. In the first place I had pleasure to meet our London Sahaja Yogis here because I’ve been to the Lotus Feet of Mataji for the last twelve years… And I would get practicing or I got a number of instances about experience, about my experience about the, how the Divine Mother’s powers say we can achieve a great deal by [the] Self-realization at the feet of our Divine Mother. You see, our Divine Mother Mataji had discovered this Sahaja Yoga to be the unique Sahaja Yoga, by which you have seen that thousands of people get Self-realization, irrespective of cast, creed or religion. As explained by Mataji I think already, Sahaja means born with you, pure and spontaneous. Now about my experience I tell you many people, Self-realized, they become pianists, they get songs [written] that is my experience and whatever work you do, you do it with great confidence and meditate a good manner. You see the power our Mataji, the Divine Mother, powers I have to tell you, are really tremendous… I, I must firstly say, I‘m a lawyer practicing in Bombay High Court. You see, you’ll be surprised to find the miracle about one matter in my business company. [Hindi] You see, I had an appeal in Bombay High Court. It was the second appeal from appellant. And the letter came up before his lordship Dashera’s night. As usual my [matter] of appeal was on fifteen of August. That was Friday. I remember that, that was Friday. I thought generally only four or five matters are taken up by his lordship every day. And Saturday and Sunday being holidays I was quite sure that my appeal won’t reach here at least before Tuesday. So I was on that particular day, I was very busy because I’m a trustee upon Mataji Life Eternal Trust. Shri Mataji: He was with us, I remember. Mr. Pradhan: And [that is/at this] reason I was doing some [work/program]. So I was quite sure that the matter won’t be, and about the whole day I was at Mataji’s residence. On that day, the Saturday and Sunday being holidays, I have called my client to see him in Bombay trying to attend the Court. But my client came very late. He came to my residence on Sunday and inquired as to what happened about my appeal. Then I told him, “Please wait. I’ll let you know.” I phoned the advocate for the other side that if he’s gone to the Magistrate and enquired as to what has happened about the matter, that they got it on the list or he should explain me. He said, “What? Are you befooling me?” I said, “What happened?” He said, “Pradhan, the matter was argued by you. The matter was disposed of on Friday.” I was surprised. I couldn’t believe the whole thing. [unclear] at my table, at my agency something has happened. Then I kept quiet. I said, “Very well. I had some misunderstanding about the whole matter.” Then I told my client, “Better see me on Monday in the High Court.” Then on Monday I went to High Court. I enquired for the judicial clerk there as to what happened about this matter which you [were/are] [fitting on the board]. He said, “Mr. Pradhan, you were here. The matter was argued on that day.” “On that day? What happened?” “Some four or five matters were adjourned. Two, three matters were compromised. So your matter [unclear] at about 4.30. And it is all sort out.” Still I was not sure. Generally the judges, they, the stenograph write the judgments. They write the judgments and send it to be signed after two, three days. So when the judgment was issued by the office I went to the office in the High Court and I saw this judgment is signed [unclear] by lordship. And it that particularly their name, my name was mentioned thrice. Mr. Pradhan and [Hindi name] [unclear], Mr. Pradhan and [unclear] and Mr. Pradhan thrice has entered, and also it was given, my name thrice. So you, you have seen from Mataji, this is what it is. This is Mataji’s power. I was on holiday, I was not present there and You went there and argued the appeal. So in the evening, so I went to Mataji’s residence and I told Mataji, “Mataji, this miracle has happened”. [She was amazed?] Shri Mataji laughed to [unclear]. “Now Mr. Pradhan, you are dealing with our President. The Adi Shakti came there, argued the matter what was in your brain and it was arranged.” I said, “These are the last powers used [unclear].” Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mr. Pradhan: She, there is one fellow, one Sahaja Yogi, journalist [unclear]. He has also a wife from Baghora, is basically Indian. He had taken Self-realization at ninety-eight, and then Mataji has come to Baghora from Bombay as they had some centers there. This gentleman, ninety-eight years, he climbs two, two floors to visit Her. There was no lift. And he came there and Mataji was surprised to find [unclear]. You see, you’ll be surprised to find… Shri Mataji: He came on a stretcher, actually. He came on a stretcher. And just to come out, he couldn’t walk up. It was nice and they were all surprised [unclear] when he got up and started walking. Mr. Pradhan: And there was, some fragrance was coming, by coming you could see some fragrance it would go. Shri Mataji: He said, “I got some fragrance. I got up and started walking.” Mr. Pradhan: He got up and started walking. You see, all of you should get Realization. Because I think that we have in Bombay near about thousand of Self-realized [unclear]. You are doing a good thing in Bombay. You have got a lot of centers. And our London Sahaja Yogis also they are coming to Bombay and they help us a lot. You see, according to me I had a little to assure you of the power of Mataji in Sahaja Yoga. Whatever I must have done, I must have done by the power of Mataji. One thing is certain: She made me guru and Self-realized, your [elder] guru. See, look at my age, but look at me. You’ll be surprised to find that I am [running] seventy-seven. But still Mataji says, “Look at Mr. Pradhan. He’s working [as a young] man.” It’s Mataji’s grace. So I don’t do anything. Shri Mataji: And he is going to America – that’s the best part of it – to help the Americans with the Sahaja Yoga. Let’s see how many Indian young Sahaja Yogis are going to come out. Mr. Pradhan: You see, whatever work I’ll take, Mataji is going to [help me] so easily. Spontaneously it happens, spontaneously. Two, three years. I am one of the [so many at Mataji’s feet] and a trustee also. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mr. Pradhan: We have several centers in Bombay. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mr. Pradhan: We have, we have completed a [unclear] and we have very great donations. We got very big donations for [we had to build our ashrams] at Bombay, Pune, Delhi. So in Pune also [I was] appealing people to help us and what is the good cause. And we have the Mataji’s mission to [assert/extend]. You see, [the mercy/we meet] God gives us the same love and [unclear] of Mataji to help all the Sahaja Yogis to give them the Self-realization. To [unclear] we’ll help, we’ll all continue to give the Self-realization by [these]... Shri Mataji: [Hindi] I’m just telling, he should… Mr. Pradhan: Our Mataji [is so humble]. I’ve seen it that when we go to the seaside and when we are on the seashore I’ve seen it. See, among the ladies on the sea shore [You sleep] under the tree on sands. I’ve seen that. She is not particular about any place, whether you have [unclear] bungalow or some [unclear] instead. [unclear]. She just [receives]. Mataji never cares to look at the account. She doesn’t care [unclear]. Shri Mataji: I don’t know that. Mr. Pradhan: She doesn’t care what money you have received, what money you have spend which is in human nature. And you’ll be surprised to find a lot of issues also in Her work. But I’ve seen how that She’s not taken lunch even till three, three thirty in the afternoon. She will [meet somebody] [unclear], Mataji, go for Her bath and change later and have Her lunch. And [shows up anything]. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mr. Pradhan: Do you eat something? Shri Mataji: [Hindi] I’m telling him to tell about the experiences of Sahaja Yoga, how he grew up. You see, this is the point, is that how one should grow. I think he has grown himself, you see, through vibrations. Mr. Pradhan: You see, one thing is certain. Many become Self-realized. You must [do minimum a] meditation everyday. You must stick up to this Sahaja Yoga. You should not give it up. You must stick it and carry on. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] You see how, you see negativity affects, how affected him and how you see, you should be, you should understand how to continue with Sahaja Yoga, despite all negativity, how to overcome it. [Hindi] You see, small, small things, you see, and when I tell people that don’t do this they feel very hurt. But he has found out from his experience that whatever I say it comes out of a danger that I [could know]. Mr. Pradhan: You see, I’ll tell you one experience, particular experience. You see, Mataji has beyond this power, healing power. By Self-realization you can cure any people. So what happened, in Kolhapur city, there’s a big city, Kolhapur, Kolhapur, in Bombay province. So we had a very good program there. About one hundred people had assembled among the villages. At that time, you see, the hall was full, and it was our duty to see and go around and see that the all new people are doing well, they are just seated. So what happened there was only one door, entrance door and because at the entrance door there was [a/some] small crowd, an old lady was crying. Mataji was quite busy with the work, giving vibrations to hundreds of people. So that lady was crying. I said, “What is it?” “It is about my son, [unclear] so then he became unconscious. As soon as he entered the hall he became unconscious.” Then I gave him [unclear]. I cured him, by doing the [unclear], by giving vibrations. Then he got up. That young man then got up. I’ve told his mother that, “Please now go and bow at the Feet of Mataji, that strong Lady here and go.” That lady has listened to me. And then the meditation goes on a lower only when you are not at the Feet of Mataji. Shri Mataji: Here is just the other way round. In India if you tell somebody you are not to touch My Feet, then they are very angry. Here if you tell somebody you have to touch My Feet that person will never jump here again. Is just the other way round. Because, you see, the power was most of the Feet, you see. So that’s why those who know will jump there, but those who do not if you tell them then you had it. Better not tell. It’s a very different thing. And if you tell in India that, “You, nobody has to touch My Feet today,” because sometimes are thousands of people at My Feet; sometimes I get swollen of the way they go on touching My Feet. But if you tell them, then that’s the worst thing. The one who tells then it’s finished. They don’t like such a mention. It’s a very different situation. Mr. Pradhan: But, Mataji, I get very good vibrations from You when I touch Your Feet. I get very cool vibrations. You see, I’ve, I think the best [of everything is to love] Mataji. They can take vibrations as if pumping the petrol in Her body you can [get/have the car]. So [unclear] that they were a bit proud. That lady went with her son at Mataji’s Feet. As soon as he touched Mataji’s Feet that fellow became unconscious again. So [I wondered the, and then I said] “Mataji, I’ve only seen this fellow became unconscious and I cured him.” Then Mataji looked at me and said, “You are a man of advanced age. You have cured him? Oh, really? So strong is everything in your body. You are now affected.” Then Mataji took fifteen minutes to cure me. I told Her my liver became very hot. Shri Mataji: He was about to faint himself. Mr. Pradhan: Then She has warned me, “Mr. Pradhan you are a man of advanced age. Don’t cure anybody. Because that negativity it, it [affects/attacks] you and you can catch it in your body.” Shri Mataji: There should be no sympathy, no sympathy. You should take it easy. You see, sympathy [to form] when you are very strong enough. Otherwise no need to have sympathies with these people. It can attack you so badly, you all will get affected. With one negative person coming in the hall now, supposing somebody comes like that, all will get attacked. You see, because dirt and filth can get always attached to you. But to cleanse it, it’s difficult. To get attached, supposing somebody pours say some sort of a color, everybody will get the color. But to remove it it’s difficult. That’s what it is. So, one has to be very careful about this negativity. No doubt. Mr. Pradhan: And these people, these persons with negativity, they always [distemper /disturb/ just trouble the guests] and first instance they should be removed from the crowd. Shri Mataji: Now people have started understanding. Before they used to think it’s not good. We should have everyone there. But you can’t just bear. When they come out you don’t know what happens to you people. But I find there are [thousands that are attacking you people]. Mr. Pradhan: So many people I advised [unclear] of Mataji. We hope of continuing to raise their Kundalini by Sahaja Yoga and transform this world full of crimes [unclear] into the kingdom of God. I thank you very much for this invitation and… Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mrs. Pradhan also has been very kind to Sahaja Yoga. Though she’s not a, she’s not a trustee but she’s made lots of nice poems and she sings very well. Now she’s an old lady. And she has looked after people very well. And first of all Mr. Gaan [took really good] care. This is Mrs. Pradhan. This is the typical Maharashtrian sari that they wear in India, you see. [Hindi] [To a child: Aha, Lucia.] The photograph. You see today because of his trusteeship here. Mr. Pradhan: Thank you. Shri Mataji: Photograph nahi hai? [Hindi] Where is he? Then he has gone to get him. [Hindi] I feel very proud of Mr. Pradhan. I wish you people all try to follow his example. Mr. Pradhan: According to me I’ve done nothing on the ascending part for Sahaja Yoga. It was Mataji [who has done it]. It’s a unique discovery. All of you without Realization [unclear]. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Those people, now those people who are in charge of America Tour and all that can talk to Pradhan and discuss with him and take his addresses, suppose his address and all those people that are there and also get information as to other people’s addresses, whatever you need and then about [the program]. Give him the address of also Tim’s so that he can contact. Just tell him what is done so that he can contact. [Hindi] And Dr. Ladhu was also there No, that is additionally help. I think this is the address so you got it. [unclear] Mr. Pradhan: Again I thank you, Mother, for Your [help]. Shri Mataji: When he came to Me first, Pradhan, he said, “Mother, I am of a very average intelligence, average income. I am nothing oustanding. And what can I help you? I mean, I’m of no good. Only think I’ll be getting help out of You. And how will I be of an instrument to You, of any, any kind of a vehicle for Your powers, I think.” But he has shown with his assiduity and understanding that he himself and whatever he could do he has done tremendously. And he really worked very hard and he seen to it that things are done properly. He is a very efficient, extremely efficient. He used to arrange all our programs and halls and things and, I mean, lots of things, at his age, very efficient, always first to arrive, last to leave, organizing everything and looking after everything and [extremely humble]. Still, it’s remarkable to have such people. It is nice to have somebody with average intelligence than have too much intelligence which would be headache, [because they never listen]. And they have a method of avoiding things and say, and something you see, and sometimes if it was not possible to forget something, do something, he would say, “Mother, please forgive me.” But he would never argue out. He’ll just say, “Please forgive me. I must have forgotten, or something might have happened,” and all that. And it was such an easy thing to be with him because I’m so bad at organizing matters, I tell you. Even I am so bad at money, you know that, and I never know how to keep accounts, and these people have been organizing money, and I have nothing to do with their money. And it’s true that I’m very bad at all that. And it is these people who are so sincere and honest that they have looked after this money and they have looked after everything. And that now they have been able to produce that land and that is very remarkable. But I would say this is Sahaja Yoga that has given them all these powers to [manage] all these things, and it has created really tremendous people out of Sahaja Yoga, no doubt. May God bless you all and I hope you all people will also see the blessings of Sahaja Yoga and will rise very much in estimation of God. Mr. Pradhan: You see, one thing that I used to do is total surrender to the Divine Mother, total surrender. Not selfishness of mind, nothing. Then you will get a very cooling effect. Shri Mataji: This is all right to say in India, not here. Here if you say total surrendered they’ll think they have to surrender house or car or anything. It is your ego. And ego must be surrendered. What else? You see, to surrender, the ego it’s not you. You have to surrender your ego so that you get rid of. That’s what it means. But that is understood more in India than here. Because if you say “surrender” people start thinking [unclear]. This is something, you see, an Indian mind is different from a developed mind, and this is how things work out differently. But I must say there are great saints who are born here. You are all great saints to be born like this. And they are amazed sometimes, these people are amazed the way you are dedicated to Sahaja Yoga. I mean, you have taken to it; shows that you are spiritually very tremendous, no doubt about it. I mean, if we are so that from childhood we are told we must have control on our attention because if you have to attend to God, we must get to God. From childhood we are told this. We have to get to God and we have to achieve our Self-realization. I mean, My grandchild was born and the message that I got from an astrologer because we always have an astrologer as soon as a child is born. And he sent a telegram saying that it’s the greatest thing that her guru is in the house, that her master, the teacher is in the house. And it was the biggest thing for whole family. “Oh, the teacher is in the house. That’s great. Child doesn’t have to go out to seek this.” Of course, I mean, this is our traditional way life in India. But now, of course, we are getting also Westernized. That’s different. But normally it is so. From childhood it is told that you have to take your attention to God. The attention has to go to God. But here to say something that [Divine asks for] total surrender, what is the gain? The gain is God. The gain is your Self, is your Spirit. But that is, once it is, is still in your mind, you think that is the simplest you can do because the highest you are going to get. So the difference is of understanding, but in any way quality-wise I [must/would] say you are much better than many Indians put together, no doubt, very high. Specially Indians here, I don’t know what they are doing here. I don’t know about them. So no more questions, that [he] can answer you, because he’s going now for, it won’t be any other time. It ought to be simple. If it is complicated then it’s difficult. This truth should be simple. All right. It’s working. Please close your eyes. Now first what you will feel is that there is no thought within you and then you will start feeling the cool breeze in the hands. Close your eyes. Especially close your eyes. But this is just the beginning. This is just the germination. You have to go further with it and you have to grow into it. Better. All those who are getting cool breeze raise your hands. Now, all of you. Those who are getting cool breeze raise your hands, higher. All the Sahaja Yogis also raise your hands, those who are getting cool breeze. All the Sahaja Yogis also. [Hindi]. Now those who have come for the first time and are not getting cool breeze, raise your hands. [Hindi] It’s good. He’s got it. You felt a cool breeze? [You can see it on the hands]. [Hindi] All right? [Hindi] He is a realized soul. This is not getting? What’s the matter? Sahaja Yogini: [He enjoys it by concentrating]. Shri Mataji: Forget now. Come. Here. Feeling the cool breeze in the hands? Are you feeling cool breeze in the hands?

1981-06-25, The Ocean of Love (Public Program) I told you about the three powers we have within ourselves: one is the power of desire that is on the left-hand side; and the another power of action which is on the right-hand side; and the central power which is the power of our [divinity OR evolution]. Also I told you about the centers that we have. The lowest center is below the Kundalini which is responsible for our innocence. When this center gets disturbed then our innocence is also disturbed. This is a very, very important center for Sahaja Yoga. It plays a very vital role in your evolution. Whatever you have done before or you have done now to spoil the awakening of the Kundalini or you can say to spoil the Sushumna, the central part, is all recorded in that Kundalini Itself. But the recording takes place because this center which is at the end, which is innocence, receives all the information from this conditioning line, the left side. It receives all the information and it records, just like a tape recorder. So the Kundalini is aware of the mistakes that are committed by you personally, by the society, by the conditioning of the, your seeking, by all sorts of things that you have done so far, by which you have tried to hamper the path of your Realization. So this is the path, the central path which is very important for your [ascent]. But that should not give you a guilt. One thing I must tell you, when I speak you should not take Me that seriously. Because that’s the worst thing that happens to you, that you start developing a guilt, and then the Realization becomes very difficult. So please do not develop any guilt when I say something, or just start pondering, “Oh, I have done this mistake and that mistake.” Because I’m talking of first and last time as I said it and today is the first time I would say again to begin with that I’m talking of Ocean of Love. If you were so perfect there was no need to have Sahaja Yoga. There was no need to do anything. Should have been the simplest job, you see. Anybody could have done it. Because there are complications and problems that somebody has to work it out. So there is nothing to feel guilty about it. First thing I have to request today is not to feel guilty about anything. So the second center is the second center, is of your activity, as I told you. So through your activity also you create problems on the central line. Now how do you create that? It’s like this. You can see the left and the right and the central. Central part is the Sushumna. Now these two start working. When they work very hard or they pull each other on the sides, then sometimes this may be dislocation completely by which you lose your complete connection with the whole. Or could be that it may narrow down, the path may narrow down, and sometimes it can be very much injured or sick. These centers could be very sick. Before we discuss about the deities on these centers I would like to say that all these powers, these three powers get enlightened after your Realization. Before your Realization there is no enlightenment. For example, the left-hand side power is the power of desire. First of all, your priorities start changing. Say, a person wants to buy a very comfortable car, a car like Rolls Royce, for example. He dreams, “I must have a Rolls Royce. I must have a nice Rolls Royce to go out.” But after Realization he doesn’t like much these things. The reason is he starts feeling the comfort of Rolls Royce within himself. He forgets about all these things. His attention does not go to these things which look apparently very comfortable. They are not. If you see through the scrutinizing, say for example take the question of Rolls Royce. It’s a headache to have such a so-called comfortable car. Because somebody [might, will] steal, and you have to have insurance. Insurance people might have loophole somewhere. You may lose the money. If something happens to the car you are so much worried. While you are driving you are so much worried somebody bumps into your car if you go in such a nice car. I mean, it’s a headache to possess a Rolls Royce. It’s better that somebody has it and you, you enjoy it. But if you own it and if you possess it, then you go to this registration office to register it there and this and that, and it’s a big headache. And the worst of all is that people are jealous of you. They don’t like you. They don’t like you because you have got a, I mean, what is the advantage of having a Rolls Royce car? But then that it is so many disadvantages. Plus, I mean, on the one side only you can say, I don’t know which one, what should I say, what is the advantage? Maybe that I mean it’s a good car, reliable car and all that could be there, a quality-wise all that there. But for that how much you have to sacrifice and how much you have to work so to possess something. The idea of possession becomes different. Then you want to possess these cool vibrations, you see. You want to possess that, because you get really fed up of other possessions and you start seeing that this is what gives you the greatest comfort and [joy]. You start just changing your desires of all the things. The second desire is about, say, some people want to have a, say, a good family life and for that just try, even there are Romeos and Juliets and this and that, all kinds of things crying and weeping there. All thing goes on and the husband doesn’t carry on with the wife and the wife doesn’t carry on with the husband and then they feel very hurt and all those things happen, that they fail. That you feel that you can get happiness from your wife is absolutely wrong, I tell you. You can never get happiness from anybody else but from your Spirit. The joy comes from your Spirit, not from anybody else. Now supposing a Sahaja Yogi has married a person who is not a Sahaja Yogi. It’s a wonderful [circumstance]. You can study a person so close who is not a Sahaja Yogi, how he is prankish, how he goes into tantrums and how he’ll behave. You get a regular elegy, means sort of a role being played by someone. You start seeing the whole drama much better. Supposing he is a Sahaja Yogi, may be little insecure but they can’t because there won’t be any problem or a quarrel but you see then, you see the person how he behaves and how he is. Then you understand. You understand that why he‘ll behave like this and what we have to do, what are the, what are the problems and how to make the arrangements by which these people stop going into these holes and getting stuck-up into them. You see, you start studying it. When you start studying like that, not getting angry and impatient with the person who is your partner, then you will start enjoying. But if you start getting impatient, in the beginning when the Sahaja Yogis do feel impatient with their partners because they are not Sahaja Yogis. They think that people are lost now, what will they do, then when are they going to get their Realization and all that. Instead of that, if you really develop properly, if you go properly you start seeing it in a different angle. “Oh, that’s the way they are.” You see, when you start generalizing all [these things], then you do not say, “This is my wife. She should have been like this. This is my wife.” You know, some people think because somebody is your wife, she should be a perfect personality. And because she’s your wife and what are you? Are you perfect? I mean, why do you expect your wife to be that perfect? If she has kept one thing you here or there or he, I mean, it can be any way, I mean he or she, does not matter. Whosoever has done so-called mistake you say actually it comes because you think you are absolutely perfect, on the top of the world, you see. And that’s why you try to find faults with another person. But you see when you are Sahaja Yogi you realize that you have to grow; you have to mature. And how can you find faults with people like that? Only thing you can do is to study the whole thing because the whole thing becomes a drama. OK, you become. You start seeing the whole thing as a drama and it doesn’t behave the way you want. He used to behave as if that these circumstances sometimes are engulfing, and you can become fanatical. I see here people, you see because the husband came late. So wife hits the husband and kills him or something like that. But see how funny it is. She, she was angry with him. He came late or whatever he did was because he did not love her. She felt that it was due that he should love. And to love should you kill the husband? Then who is going to love you? See this kind of thing, you see, you start thinking very, I should say, paradoxical behavior of people. They’re so paradoxical, and the whole thing becomes so apparent and so vivid when you start seeing it through your Spirit because you are not within it. You are yourself. You are not now the husband or wife or anything, but you see yourself as a husband and another person as a wife, or you see yourself as a wife and another person as a husband. And it’s a very different thing and then the whole thing becomes such a drama and such a beautiful poetry that you start seeing, you [see/can] feel that, oh, the old Shakespeare is coming before you or whatsoever. Most dramatic thing it’s happening to you. So this is another thing, that our desire has changed, that you see, “I want a peaceful life.” You see, but the peace is within; peace is not outside. If you are not peaceful within [you / the] inside, you cannot be peaceful outside. Anybody who will see you will know that you are not at all peaceful within. You have to find your own peace, your own bliss and if you want, you want to have that it is you who has to receive. This is the thing, and it is you who have to enjoy it. So no use blaming anybody else by saying that, “Oh, I’m so unhappy and this was, she was not making much, much noise,” or, “I get very disturbed.” Then you don’t feel this. Actually, after Realization you’ll be surprised all this over-sensitivity used to harm you and to, noises and all that, that disappear. Because you enter into your silence within. Let the people shout, scream, you are in your silence [moment], start singing and sometimes you also think that they are shouting at somebody who just can’t hear them. The whole priorities of your desires start changing because you start enjoying something. For example, to a child who has never eaten ice-cream and has just taken, say, only milk all his life, if you give him ice-cream, then he shifts his attention to ice-cream much more than to milk. In the same way, once you taste or you get the nectar of your spiritual bliss pouring into you, these ideas that are built up about your desires all start collapsing and what you find a new sort of a personality comes in you and you start desiring something else. For example, a, an egg may be desiring something which a bird does not. Bird has different desires and an egg has different desires. In the same way it happens to us when we change our state, when we are in a different situation as far as our Spirit is concerned. Then all our desires take a different turn and we become differently made. Like our many habits that we have because of our conditionings and things and people have so many habits that sometimes I’m really surprised how people boast of their habits. Like a lady came to Me, she boasted with, by telling Me, “Oh, You know I can’t take milk with any cream on it. If I see cream, I’ll vomit.” I said, “This is too much for Me and now. How far I will go? Mad.” Then she came out with something else, “You know I’m so particular about [sleep] and in my bed if there’s even one light I can’t sleep.” Then how does she exist [even]? Mad woman. Like that she just can’t bear this; she just can’t bear that. She’s so very [queer and so funny. I said, “How people must be living with her?” Must be another problem, the way she lives on. And she really bored Me stiff and I didn’t know what to tell her. But then I just said, “What about your husband? He is so normal. What’s the matter with you?” So said, “He is different. I’m different.” I said “You better become like him because is too much. I don’t know how he bears you up, but it’s too much.” I think that the thing was her husband was a realized soul and she was not. And he just saw her, saw her like that she was. He must be laughing at her the way she was fussy about the wanting. “I can’t bear this. I won’t have this. I won’t have this. I’m such and such. I’m such and such.” All these ideas about yourselves also come to you from your conditionings. For example, an Englishman thinks he’s an Englishman, you see – something upper lip. Then, then if you take an American he thinks he’s very rich and he may be very fast and he boasts of his fastness, you see. Sometimes they boast so much that it’s amazing the way they go about their speediness, you see, the way they are speedy. Then a German will boast of his over-meticulous efficiency or something like that. An Indian will boast of his ritualism and all nonsense that they do around. All sorts of things like that you find people being proud of, you see, to belong to a certain nation. It’s all right. It’s very good. You should be proud of your nation, but of good things and not of bad things. Now all such a conditioning that, “I am an Englishman. I am an Indian. I am this and that,” all fail, because these are demarcations created by human beings. I mean, God just created a beautiful [man/matter]. He had to put some rivers after all, you see. He had to put some mountains somewhere. He had to do all these things. He never asked you to get yourself divided. “I’m this. I’m that. I’m that.” We ourselves have done all this nonsense. I mean, think from God’s point of view. He must have wondering, “What’s the matter with these people?” We have to have immigrations, we have to have things to go to some country, we have to get a pass, we have to have a visa, we have to have this. Why? Because we are ourselves like that. We are ourselves, are so greedy, so selfish, everything is together. And that’s how all human beings are against God if you see, that He must be wondering, “What’s the matter with these people? I’ve given them such a beautiful world to enjoy themselves. Why don’t they enjoy?” Instead of that, every time they work on the energy of hatred, how to create hatred and all these different things [are/on] human conditionings are based. We can say about art and everything, also about conditionings are based up according to what we have been seeing. If somebody has been seeing the white color more or a grey color more they will always like it. If they have, say, if they have seen red all the time they’ll like red. It’s the only question of conditioning. It’s not question of your innate some sort of a spiritual feeling. Do not confuse Spirit with these material aspirations you have, or the material ideas you have; it’s wrong. Spirit is beyond; it’s that. It has nothing to do with what race, creed you are born into. It is not bothered about what things you think beautiful, what things you don’t. Because it is absolute. There is not [nothing relative]. It’s absolute. When you seek through your vibrations, you will be amazed that certain things, whether they are Indian, English or anything, you will not like [to see/say]. Certain things – they may be anything – you are going to enjoy. This absolute is a coefficient worked out by God’s mathematics, not by any human mathematics. And if that works out, then only you are going to like it because you like these vibrations. Ultimately you like the vibrations. The things that do not give you good vibrations, you are not going to have. I’ll give you an example. Supposing there’s a chair. It is being sat on by some negative personality. Any Sahaja Yogi will come there. If he just touched the chair, get up and walk out, may sit on the other one, because he’ll feel, immediately he’ll feel the vibrations, and he is not going to sit there. Just now [unclear name] she told Me about her daughter that, “A one magician came, and my daughter who is a realized soul, she said that, ‘He is a very funny man and I don’t like him.’ She started screaming.” Even a child can feel. It’s absolute. Everything becomes absolute, not because somebody has a blond hair or somebody has blue eyes or red lips or anything, but it is the whole, the whole of it. It is the coefficient of that personality that gives good vibrations which people are going to enjoy and are going to feel, and that is what that is going to appeal it, to appeal to them. So the whole idea of our color skins, of our art, our esthetics, fails. Only God’s esthetics are working out in us. We don’t like anything that is not divine, that’s not emitting vibrations. Even food, everybody will give vibrations to food, everything that they desire. For example, now I have people who are bad-livered, for example. Say in London it’s a common disease of bad liver. It’s absolutely liverish, surprisingly, and the worst is Europe. And Europe is the liver of the universe and where the liver is so bad. And the first questions they asked Me, “Mother, what is to be done about awareness and about liver?” I said, “Why? Why are you concerned?” “Because Europe, Europe is the liver of the universe and we are Europeans and we drink all through and what are we to do now?” I said, “Now you have a sick liver for the whole universe. You have a sick liver. So be careful about it. You have to work it out.” And then they wrote it down what is to be done, these things. They got it. They got through it. They said it is important because they felt not that they should keep their livers all right but they should get the liver of all the Europeans all right, because if the Europeans have bad livers God Himself is going to have a bad liver problem. See the whole idea changes because you start translating your ideas in relation to the whole. And when you start thinking of the whole that, “Oh, God, by me this is going to be caused and by this everybody is going to suffer,” then naturally, not mentally so much as through vibrations, you start doing it. You start improving. I’ve seen people that when I told them that, “You should not eat this,” then immediately they took it. I tell you, no doctor would have had such obedience as I have. But I don’t even tell that religiously, and I don’t tell them that frantically or in any way, but they just start doing it because they don’t want to lose their vibrations. If you have a bad liver you get very hot vibrations. Are you getting now? Vibrations. So this is what happens. This is the liver that gives you heat, and this liver must be cured because if liver is bad you can get cirrhosis, you can get this, you can get that; lots of problems can come in and you will be in trouble. And you start understanding your own value, the value of your health, more than material things. Doesn’t matter if you have one dress less or one house less; doesn’t matter. First of all, this body should be all right. And that is how the desire that you have a healthy body [works] in a proper way that you should have a proper body that should be the temple of God. [You should get that.] Same thing about your thoughts. You start cleaning them, you start seeing them and you start understanding why these thoughts are coming to me. From where are they coming? These thoughts are not good; they do not give you any nourishment. They are very exasperating and they tire you out. So you start working on that, you start making your mind, bringing down your mind and making your mind still and going into thoughtless awareness so that you have a tranquil feeling, which is so good, which is so nice. Everybody wants to have that [thoughtless/peace]. I mean, if you can achieve it through your spiritual growth, why not? Then the best part of it that you start seeing your ego and superego; that’s the best part. When you start seeing your ego like a big balloon, you see, getting out like that, oh God! And then you’ll say, “Mother, this is too much. I’ve never thought I have such a bad ego.” “It’s all right. Doesn’t matter. Calm down.” So they work on their ego and they start seeing it. And they say, “Oh Mother, this was my ego.” Once you start seeing it, it goes down. You cannot enjoy life if you have ego. Ego is the thing that [fills/kills] you completely; it will make you a spoilsport. It’s a spoil-sporting stuff, you see. It always gives you joy if it is pampered, and the pampering of it comes by spoiling the sport, the sport of the Divine. Such a person is an aggressor out and out and is a problem to everyone, and people do not know what to do with him. Everybody will know that he is too much aggressive but they’ll ignore. But the aggressor, he is the same as the person who takes aggression, I feel. The one who takes aggression hurts himself. Why should you hurt yourself? God has made this body so beautiful, with such care, with such love. He’s raised it from amoeba to this stage and have you decided to destroy it? This beautiful body, why do you want to destroy it? Why do you want to hurt it? So the superego also starts getting reduced. You start saying, “No, I don’t want to do it. I don’t want to play into the hands of negativity by which I become a useless temple.” Superego people sometimes, you see, have an idea, “Oh, that if we are very frightened of everyone, we are very good,” because Christ has said, “Bless the downtrodden”. That’s something different, very different to be seen in a very different light which I’ll explain to you later on. But the way people have interpreted is that if you become very mild and non-aggressive then you are a very nice person. I mean, I don’t say that you should be aggressive; I mean, again the other side should be clean. I talked of ego first so that you don’t become aggressive, but the thing is to be even non-aggressive is all right but we can say that to take aggression upon you is also wrong, very wrong. One should never take any aggression. I would say Hitler would never have been successful if at that time from the very beginning you would have resisted. But they allowed, they allowed them to take advantage gradually; gradually it grew up. Anywhere there is an operation like that coming out, everybody must stand against it. This is a very dangerous; it’s poison. Few people take aggression, then more people take aggression, you see, and those who go on backing up, “Oh, it’s all right. It’s all right”. This is another [world/one]. It grows and grows and grows, and this poison then comes up like such a controlling force that the whole world could not control this Germany to save these people who were killed, so helplessly. But they first showed their helplessness in the very beginning, at the very [point, moment] when somebody tells that you should stand up and say, “No, it’s not right.” So both the things are responsible for this kind of a derail. I would blame Jews the same way as I would blame Hitler and Germans because why should the Jews suffer so much to begin with? Now when they are free, they have got a land, they are behaving in a different manner. That time if they all would have stood up and said, “Nothing doing. We are not going to stand all this nonsense,” they could have taken help from other countries and could have saved those people. That’s what it is. You see, “We are sufferers.” Go ahead with suffering then. “We all suffer.” Why do you suffer? Christ has suffered for you, already suffered for you. You don’t have to suffer at all. You are not here to suffer. You are all here to enjoy, to be happy, to be drenched in His love; not to suffer. Why do you want to suffer? I mean, this is crucifixion for nothing at all. You are not needed for any more for crucifixions. But these things can create a big problem, I must tell you. This kind of witnessing of [cruel] people, negative people, these aggressive people, this silent witnessing is very wrong. One should not allow this kind of a filth to come out. Hatred that is developing anywhere in any country, any place, is wrong. Like in our country, India, we think Indians are not like that. They are also quite horrible. In our country also we have a untouchables and touchables. But Mahatma Gandhi came and he just flouted them. He said, “What do you mean by touchables and untouchables?” And he saw to it that it was removed. He himself was not from the same community as untouchables but there was a fellow from untouchables also. He was a very great doctor, American, who fought it. He said, “Nothing doing. We don’t believe in nonsense.” In the same way we have to know whether we belong to the oppressed or to the oppressor group, so-called. We should stand by people who are oppressed and we should really flout all such ideas because it’s very dangerous. So it happens that you stand up against all kind of injuries, unfair play. You get the courage [unclear]. Like Christ. What has He got to do with Maria Magdalena? She was a prostitute. Prostitutes have nothing to do with the saints as such. But when He saw that she was stoned by these people, out of proportion she was punished for what? He was the One who maintained this truth before you. That courage comes to you, through your spiritual growth, and you stand by the right. You stand by the people who are oppressed. You just don’t take anything in, like those ideas of bearing up and all that nonsense is gone. As it is, Christ has said that if somebody slaps you on one face you turn the other one. It was at the time of Romans. One had to say it. For egoistical people it is better practice, all those ego-oriented people. Most of the Christian nations, you can say, are that. For them is a good practice that if somebody slaps on one face, you turn the other one. But the people who are suppressed are, those say, we can say people who are living in the most [MISSING PART] They are great because they were realized souls, that greatness [you / should] get spontaneously because it is within you, to grow to that. You suddenly grow when the seed of your Spirit grows inward. And you are amazed at your great ideas and you will transcend all these [things], transcending attention and awareness. So this is what will happen to you. Because you don’t desire nonsense. That’s what I said and we desire [ascent] and we get it. You just desire to have whatever you want. Just ask for it; you’ll have it. But first we have to enlist ourselves into the kingdom of God. You have to become the kingdom. If I’m not the citizen of England I cannot get the benefit of English laws. If you are not the citizen of God’s kingdom you do not get the benefit. He has got His own telecommunication; He has got everything you won’t believe. And the way He works it out, it’s so tremendous. It is so magnificent. It’s so miraculous that then you start saying that, “All that we have known so far, it’s falsehood and it’s different.” This is the truth which we should achieve. We should establish, mature ourselves and enjoy it. It’s just for your enjoyment Sahaja Yoga has come on this earth and for nothing else. Today I’ve talked to you on one side. Tomorrow and next time when I come I’ll tell you on the other side. I hope in this center Sahaja Yoga will work out and you should go into the [depth of this] living organization. This is a living organization which does not have any membership, no payments, nothing. It’s a living thing, and the people will be attracted because of the love that they feel for each other and because of the love they feel for themselves. That’s all. Vibrations, these pure vibrations of Divine love, once you get them you don’t want to part with them. You just don’t want to part with them. They are so beautiful. May God bless you. Now have you any questions today? Are you better now, Brian? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: I’m working. Let’s have some questions; will be good idea. All right, it will be good. Some questions, please. Rather difficult. Better ask Me questions. You can’t ask. Trouble is, the Kundalini has risen about this, you see. Then you are in thoughtless awareness and don’t want to then go into thoughts, think over. Just you can’t think of a problem or a question. What happened? Yeah, people are coming. (Hindi) Now today we have in our presence Mr. Pradhan, who is now seventy-six, and he came to Me about twelve years back or eleven years back. He belongs to the first batch of Sahaja Yogis. And I’ve worked on them, about twenty-five of them for two years and after two years only twelve of them got Realization. After two years, can you believe it? He is one of them. And he is now going to America because I’ll be going to America so he wants to go and pave way for Me. He has come all the way from India. He is a lawyer, he’s an advocate and he has [had/that], a very great understanding of Sahaja Yoga. He’s helped Me a lot. Last time when I went to America also he came round. And he is our trustee. And we had to have a trust in India. You cannot even get a hall without a trust. Then we had a trust, and today there’s a good news that somebody has given us donation of one acre of land in Powa Lake area which is a very beautiful area in addition to what that they had given us. So I don’t know, maybe that people who want to now have places there, they could come and meditate and sit down. So it’s little far away from Bombay, about, say, I think about eight miles or so. It’s a very, very quiet area, very quiet area and there’s, there are two lakes there. It’s a very nice place. And today only I received [a / the] message saying that somebody has donated that. I was very happy that they have donated us because we could not buy any, any land, because I said that we’ll not give any black money nor any bribery or anything, and the land has to be proper price. We’ll not give extra money, [would be] public money but somehow or other now we got some land there. Now I would request one of the Sahaja Yogis to say few words about Mr. Pradhan, and then Mr. Pradhan will speak to you how Indian Sahaja Yogis have been to these people when they went to India and how they treated them and how they were kind and then Mr. Pradhan [unclear]. And Gavin will you, would you like to say few words or anyone who has been to India? Anyone. Sahaja Yogi: Mr. Gavin. Shri Mataji: About to see some places and Pradhan will say about his, because now he’ll be able to tell you what experiences he had. He’s an advocate and he’ll tell you some miraculous experiences he had had after Sahaja Yoga. Let’s see now. So what I said you, you’ll be little bit certified. Sahaja yogi: Mister Pradhan it’s a, it’s a great pleasure for us to receive you here and to be able to welcome you here. Shri Mataji: And Mrs. Pradhan is also with him. Sahaja yogi: Mrs. Pradhan is also here and, and we owe a great deal to Bombay Sahaja Yogis and especially to the senior ones who had looked after us on many visits now. Personally, I’ve been with my wife twice to India and both times we’ve been most generously and hospitably looked after. It’s quite a different style from the kind of hospitality we offer here. It’s a good deal more giving and more complete. Really, everything was seen to. Mr. Pradhan is such a quiet, I must [GW: a most?] unassuming personality. One doesn’t realize what a tremendous work he has done on the administrating side in establishing Sahaja Yoga in Bombay. I know he’s had a number of really remarkable experiences in Sahaja Yoga and I hope he will speak about those afterwards. We would just like to thank him for coming to our country and wish him every success [back / in] his trip to America which I’m sure it’s going to be a very important stage in the spreading of Sahaja Yoga. And I know Mr. Pradhan will quietly and efficiently set the scene for Mataji going in September. And we have something to present on behalf of Sahaja Yogis. Shri Mataji: [unclear] But let him speak first of all, then. Sahaja Yogi: Maybe after. Shri Mataji: He is My eldest [son now]. When he died he was ninety eight years old his [Hindi]. And this gentleman is no more now, this ninety years old gentleman but now he’s the eldest one. Mr. Pradhan: I am going, I have so many thanks for Gavin for speaking very good words about me. In the first place I had pleasure to meet our London Sahaja Yogis here because I’ve been to the Lotus Feet of Mataji for the last twelve years… And I would get practicing or I got a number of instances about experience, about my experience about the, how the Divine Mother’s powers say we can achieve a great deal by [the] Self-realization at the feet of our Divine Mother. You see, our Divine Mother Mataji had discovered this Sahaja Yoga to be the unique Sahaja Yoga, by which you have seen that thousands of people get Self-realization, irrespective of cast, creed or religion. As explained by Mataji I think already, Sahaja means born with you, pure and spontaneous. Now about my experience I tell you many people, Self-realized, they become pianists, they get songs [written] that is my experience and whatever work you do, you do it with great confidence and meditate a good manner. You see the power our Mataji, the Divine Mother, powers I have to tell you, are really tremendous… I, I must firstly say, I‘m a lawyer practicing in Bombay High Court. You see, you’ll be surprised to find the miracle about one matter in my business company. [Hindi] You see, I had an appeal in Bombay High Court. It was the second appeal from appellant. And the letter came up before his lordship Dashera’s night. As usual my [matter] of appeal was on fifteen of August. That was Friday. I remember that, that was Friday. I thought generally only four or five matters are taken up by his lordship every day. And Saturday and Sunday being holidays I was quite sure that my appeal won’t reach here at least before Tuesday. So I was on that particular day, I was very busy because I’m a trustee upon Mataji Life Eternal Trust. Shri Mataji: He was with us, I remember. Mr. Pradhan: And [that is/at this] reason I was doing some [work/program]. So I was quite sure that the matter won’t be, and about the whole day I was at Mataji’s residence. On that day, the Saturday and Sunday being holidays, I have called my client to see him in Bombay trying to attend the Court. But my client came very late. He came to my residence on Sunday and inquired as to what happened about my appeal. Then I told him, “Please wait. I’ll let you know.” I phoned the advocate for the other side that if he’s gone to the Magistrate and enquired as to what has happened about the matter, that they got it on the list or he should explain me. He said, “What? Are you befooling me?” I said, “What happened?” He said, “Pradhan, the matter was argued by you. The matter was disposed of on Friday.” I was surprised. I couldn’t believe the whole thing. [unclear] at my table, at my agency something has happened. Then I kept quiet. I said, “Very well. I had some misunderstanding about the whole matter.” Then I told my client, “Better see me on Monday in the High Court.” Then on Monday I went to High Court. I enquired for the judicial clerk there as to what happened about this matter which you [were/are] [fitting on the board]. He said, “Mr. Pradhan, you were here. The matter was argued on that day.” “On that day? What happened?” “Some four or five matters were adjourned. Two, three matters were compromised. So your matter [unclear] at about 4.30. And it is all sort out.” Still I was not sure. Generally the judges, they, the stenograph write the judgments. They write the judgments and send it to be signed after two, three days. So when the judgment was issued by the office I went to the office in the High Court and I saw this judgment is signed [unclear] by lordship. And it that particularly their name, my name was mentioned thrice. Mr. Pradhan and [Hindi name] [unclear], Mr. Pradhan and [unclear] and Mr. Pradhan thrice has entered, and also it was given, my name thrice. So you, you have seen from Mataji, this is what it is. This is Mataji’s power. I was on holiday, I was not present there and You went there and argued the appeal. So in the evening, so I went to Mataji’s residence and I told Mataji, “Mataji, this miracle has happened”. [She was amazed?] Shri Mataji laughed to [unclear]. “Now Mr. Pradhan, you are dealing with our President. The Adi Shakti came there, argued the matter what was in your brain and it was arranged.” I said, “These are the last powers used [unclear].” Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mr. Pradhan: She, there is one fellow, one Sahaja Yogi, journalist [unclear]. He has also a wife from Baghora, is basically Indian. He had taken Self-realization at ninety-eight, and then Mataji has come to Baghora from Bombay as they had some centers there. This gentleman, ninety-eight years, he climbs two, two floors to visit Her. There was no lift. And he came there and Mataji was surprised to find [unclear]. You see, you’ll be surprised to find… Shri Mataji: He came on a stretcher, actually. He came on a stretcher. And just to come out, he couldn’t walk up. It was nice and they were all surprised [unclear] when he got up and started walking. Mr. Pradhan: And there was, some fragrance was coming, by coming you could see some fragrance it would go. Shri Mataji: He said, “I got some fragrance. I got up and started walking.” Mr. Pradhan: He got up and started walking. You see, all of you should get Realization. Because I think that we have in Bombay near about thousand of Self-realized [unclear]. You are doing a good thing in Bombay. You have got a lot of centers. And our London Sahaja Yogis also they are coming to Bombay and they help us a lot. You see, according to me I had a little to assure you of the power of Mataji in Sahaja Yoga. Whatever I must have done, I must have done by the power of Mataji. One thing is certain: She made me guru and Self-realized, your [elder] guru. See, look at my age, but look at me. You’ll be surprised to find that I am [running] seventy-seven. But still Mataji says, “Look at Mr. Pradhan. He’s working [as a young] man.” It’s Mataji’s grace. So I don’t do anything. Shri Mataji: And he is going to America – that’s the best part of it – to help the Americans with the Sahaja Yoga. Let’s see how many Indian young Sahaja Yogis are going to come out. Mr. Pradhan: You see, whatever work I’ll take, Mataji is going to [help me] so easily. Spontaneously it happens, spontaneously. Two, three years. I am one of the [so many at Mataji’s feet] and a trustee also. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mr. Pradhan: We have several centers in Bombay. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mr. Pradhan: We have, we have completed a [unclear] and we have very great donations. We got very big donations for [we had to build our ashrams] at Bombay, Pune, Delhi. So in Pune also [I was] appealing people to help us and what is the good cause. And we have the Mataji’s mission to [assert/extend]. You see, [the mercy/we meet] God gives us the same love and [unclear] of Mataji to help all the Sahaja Yogis to give them the Self-realization. To [unclear] we’ll help, we’ll all continue to give the Self-realization by [these]... Shri Mataji: [Hindi] I’m just telling, he should… Mr. Pradhan: Our Mataji [is so humble]. I’ve seen it that when we go to the seaside and when we are on the seashore I’ve seen it. See, among the ladies on the sea shore [You sleep] under the tree on sands. I’ve seen that. She is not particular about any place, whether you have [unclear] bungalow or some [unclear] instead. [unclear]. She just [receives]. Mataji never cares to look at the account. She doesn’t care [unclear]. Shri Mataji: I don’t know that. Mr. Pradhan: She doesn’t care what money you have received, what money you have spend which is in human nature. And you’ll be surprised to find a lot of issues also in Her work. But I’ve seen how that She’s not taken lunch even till three, three thirty in the afternoon. She will [meet somebody] [unclear], Mataji, go for Her bath and change later and have Her lunch. And [shows up anything]. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mr. Pradhan: Do you eat something? Shri Mataji: [Hindi] I’m telling him to tell about the experiences of Sahaja Yoga, how he grew up. You see, this is the point, is that how one should grow. I think he has grown himself, you see, through vibrations. Mr. Pradhan: You see, one thing is certain. Many become Self-realized. You must [do minimum a] meditation everyday. You must stick up to this Sahaja Yoga. You should not give it up. You must stick it and carry on. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] You see how, you see negativity affects, how affected him and how you see, you should be, you should understand how to continue with Sahaja Yoga, despite all negativity, how to overcome it. [Hindi] You see, small, small things, you see, and when I tell people that don’t do this they feel very hurt. But he has found out from his experience that whatever I say it comes out of a danger that I [could know]. Mr. Pradhan: You see, I’ll tell you one experience, particular experience. You see, Mataji has beyond this power, healing power. By Self-realization you can cure any people. So what happened, in Kolhapur city, there’s a big city, Kolhapur, Kolhapur, in Bombay province. So we had a very good program there. About one hundred people had assembled among the villages. At that time, you see, the hall was full, and it was our duty to see and go around and see that the all new people are doing well, they are just seated. So what happened there was only one door, entrance door and because at the entrance door there was [a/some] small crowd, an old lady was crying. Mataji was quite busy with the work, giving vibrations to hundreds of people. So that lady was crying. I said, “What is it?” “It is about my son, [unclear] so then he became unconscious. As soon as he entered the hall he became unconscious.” Then I gave him [unclear]. I cured him, by doing the [unclear], by giving vibrations. Then he got up. That young man then got up. I’ve told his mother that, “Please now go and bow at the Feet of Mataji, that strong Lady here and go.” That lady has listened to me. And then the meditation goes on a lower only when you are not at the Feet of Mataji. Shri Mataji: Here is just the other way round. In India if you tell somebody you are not to touch My Feet, then they are very angry. Here if you tell somebody you have to touch My Feet that person will never jump here again. Is just the other way round. Because, you see, the power was most of the Feet, you see. So that’s why those who know will jump there, but those who do not if you tell them then you had it. Better not tell. It’s a very different thing. And if you tell in India that, “You, nobody has to touch My Feet today,” because sometimes are thousands of people at My Feet; sometimes I get swollen of the way they go on touching My Feet. But if you tell them, then that’s the worst thing. The one who tells then it’s finished. They don’t like such a mention. It’s a very different situation. Mr. Pradhan: But, Mataji, I get very good vibrations from You when I touch Your Feet. I get very cool vibrations. You see, I’ve, I think the best [of everything is to love] Mataji. They can take vibrations as if pumping the petrol in Her body you can [get/have the car]. So [unclear] that they were a bit proud. That lady went with her son at Mataji’s Feet. As soon as he touched Mataji’s Feet that fellow became unconscious again. So [I wondered the, and then I said] “Mataji, I’ve only seen this fellow became unconscious and I cured him.” Then Mataji looked at me and said, “You are a man of advanced age. You have cured him? Oh, really? So strong is everything in your body. You are now affected.” Then Mataji took fifteen minutes to cure me. I told Her my liver became very hot. Shri Mataji: He was about to faint himself. Mr. Pradhan: Then She has warned me, “Mr. Pradhan you are a man of advanced age. Don’t cure anybody. Because that negativity it, it [affects/attacks] you and you can catch it in your body.” Shri Mataji: There should be no sympathy, no sympathy. You should take it easy. You see, sympathy [to form] when you are very strong enough. Otherwise no need to have sympathies with these people. It can attack you so badly, you all will get affected. With one negative person coming in the hall now, supposing somebody comes like that, all will get attacked. You see, because dirt and filth can get always attached to you. But to cleanse it, it’s difficult. To get attached, supposing somebody pours say some sort of a color, everybody will get the color. But to remove it it’s difficult. That’s what it is. So, one has to be very careful about this negativity. No doubt. Mr. Pradhan: And these people, these persons with negativity, they always [distemper /disturb/ just trouble the guests] and first instance they should be removed from the crowd. Shri Mataji: Now people have started understanding. Before they used to think it’s not good. We should have everyone there. But you can’t just bear. When they come out you don’t know what happens to you people. But I find there are [thousands that are attacking you people]. Mr. Pradhan: So many people I advised [unclear] of Mataji. We hope of continuing to raise their Kundalini by Sahaja Yoga and transform this world full of crimes [unclear] into the kingdom of God. I thank you very much for this invitation and… Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Mrs. Pradhan also has been very kind to Sahaja Yoga. Though she’s not a, she’s not a trustee but she’s made lots of nice poems and she sings very well. Now she’s an old lady. And she has looked after people very well. And first of all Mr. Gaan [took really good] care. This is Mrs. Pradhan. This is the typical Maharashtrian sari that they wear in India, you see. [Hindi] [To a child: Aha, Lucia.] The photograph. You see today because of his trusteeship here. Mr. Pradhan: Thank you. Shri Mataji: Photograph nahi hai? [Hindi] Where is he? Then he has gone to get him. [Hindi] I feel very proud of Mr. Pradhan. I wish you people all try to follow his example. Mr. Pradhan: According to me I’ve done nothing on the ascending part for Sahaja Yoga. It was Mataji [who has done it]. It’s a unique discovery. All of you without Realization [unclear]. Shri Mataji: [Hindi] Those people, now those people who are in charge of America Tour and all that can talk to Pradhan and discuss with him and take his addresses, suppose his address and all those people that are there and also get information as to other people’s addresses, whatever you need and then about [the program]. Give him the address of also Tim’s so that he can contact. Just tell him what is done so that he can contact. [Hindi] And Dr. Ladhu was also there No, that is additionally help. I think this is the address so you got it. [unclear] Mr. Pradhan: Again I thank you, Mother, for Your [help]. Shri Mataji: When he came to Me first, Pradhan, he said, “Mother, I am of a very average intelligence, average income. I am nothing oustanding. And what can I help you? I mean, I’m of no good. Only think I’ll be getting help out of You. And how will I be of an instrument to You, of any, any kind of a vehicle for Your powers, I think.” But he has shown with his assiduity and understanding that he himself and whatever he could do he has done tremendously. And he really worked very hard and he seen to it that things are done properly. He is a very efficient, extremely efficient. He used to arrange all our programs and halls and things and, I mean, lots of things, at his age, very efficient, always first to arrive, last to leave, organizing everything and looking after everything and [extremely humble]. Still, it’s remarkable to have such people. It is nice to have somebody with average intelligence than have too much intelligence which would be headache, [because they never listen]. And they have a method of avoiding things and say, and something you see, and sometimes if it was not possible to forget something, do something, he would say, “Mother, please forgive me.” But he would never argue out. He’ll just say, “Please forgive me. I must have forgotten, or something might have happened,” and all that. And it was such an easy thing to be with him because I’m so bad at organizing matters, I tell you. Even I am so bad at money, you know that, and I never know how to keep accounts, and these people have been organizing money, and I have nothing to do with their money. And it’s true that I’m very bad at all that. And it is these people who are so sincere and honest that they have looked after this money and they have looked after everything. And that now they have been able to produce that land and that is very remarkable. But I would say this is Sahaja Yoga that has given them all these powers to [manage] all these things, and it has created really tremendous people out of Sahaja Yoga, no doubt. May God bless you all and I hope you all people will also see the blessings of Sahaja Yoga and will rise very much in estimation of God. Mr. Pradhan: You see, one thing that I used to do is total surrender to the Divine Mother, total surrender. Not selfishness of mind, nothing. Then you will get a very cooling effect. Shri Mataji: This is all right to say in India, not here. Here if you say total surrendered they’ll think they have to surrender house or car or anything. It is your ego. And ego must be surrendered. What else? You see, to surrender, the ego it’s not you. You have to surrender your ego so that you get rid of. That’s what it means. But that is understood more in India than here. Because if you say “surrender” people start thinking [unclear]. This is something, you see, an Indian mind is different from a developed mind, and this is how things work out differently. But I must say there are great saints who are born here. You are all great saints to be born like this. And they are amazed sometimes, these people are amazed the way you are dedicated to Sahaja Yoga. I mean, you have taken to it; shows that you are spiritually very tremendous, no doubt about it. I mean, if we are so that from childhood we are told we must have control on our attention because if you have to attend to God, we must get to God. From childhood we are told this. We have to get to God and we have to achieve our Self-realization. I mean, My grandchild was born and the message that I got from an astrologer because we always have an astrologer as soon as a child is born. And he sent a telegram saying that it’s the greatest thing that her guru is in the house, that her master, the teacher is in the house. And it was the biggest thing for whole family. “Oh, the teacher is in the house. That’s great. Child doesn’t have to go out to seek this.” Of course, I mean, this is our traditional way life in India. But now, of course, we are getting also Westernized. That’s different. But normally it is so. From childhood it is told that you have to take your attention to God. The attention has to go to God. But here to say something that [Divine asks for] total surrender, what is the gain? The gain is God. The gain is your Self, is your Spirit. But that is, once it is, is still in your mind, you think that is the simplest you can do because the highest you are going to get. So the difference is of understanding, but in any way quality-wise I [must/would] say you are much better than many Indians put together, no doubt, very high. Specially Indians here, I don’t know what they are doing here. I don’t know about them. So no more questions, that [he] can answer you, because he’s going now for, it won’t be any other time. It ought to be simple. If it is complicated then it’s difficult. This truth should be simple. All right. It’s working. Please close your eyes. Now first what you will feel is that there is no thought within you and then you will start feeling the cool breeze in the hands. Close your eyes. Especially close your eyes. But this is just the beginning. This is just the germination. You have to go further with it and you have to grow into it. Better. All those who are getting cool breeze raise your hands. Now, all of you. Those who are getting cool breeze raise your hands, higher. All the Sahaja Yogis also raise your hands, those who are getting cool breeze. All the Sahaja Yogis also. [Hindi]. Now those who have come for the first time and are not getting cool breeze, raise your hands. [Hindi] It’s good. He’s got it. You felt a cool breeze? [You can see it on the hands]. [Hindi] All right? [Hindi] He is a realized soul. This is not getting? What’s the matter? Sahaja Yogini: [He enjoys it by concentrating]. Shri Mataji: Forget now. Come. Here. Feeling the cool breeze in the hands? Are you feeling cool breeze in the hands?

6/29/1981

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1981-06-29, Conditioning, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 29 July 1981. The other day I talked to you about the left side power that we have by which we desire. In Sahaja Yoga language we call it as Mahakali power. And this power gives us the left side which is our subconscious. And the subconscious, it gives us the conditioning. Through our subconscious only we become conditioned. Now how does our subconscious take the conditioning? In between the thought there’s a very little space which we can call as the silence, as the present. But the thought, that comes to you, rises and falls off, stops for a while, and again another thought starts and falls off. The first thought that rises, we can see the rising of the thought, not the falling of it, and when it falls it goes into the subconscious. Another one also rises, it rises and again it falls [and] it goes into the subconscious. That’s how our subconscious starts building up. How do the thoughts come into us? Thought comes to us because human beings, when they look at a thing, they have a method of projecting their mind into it. If you have got a blackboard I can tell you how it happens. Can you wipe it off? I wanted to talk about this subject but it’s rather complicated. But we have to somehow or other face it sometimes in life. (Shri Mataji draws on a blackboard) This is the brain of a human (laughter). Special type! It starts as a little thing like that, you see, then grows up into a flat surface, then grows on rising like that till it becomes this kind of a thing which is the area, you can say, of the brain this develops up. Alright. So what happens? The energy that falls onto it, in the very childhood, one has a very long type of head, when the mother is pregnant, the child is in the foetus stage, in the foetus stage it happens that, second month or so. Then, the energy is coiled in three parts, one like that (Mother is drawing with chalk on the blackboard) one like that. This is one energy, that is Brahmashakti - one energy. Because there are three parts, it gets divided into three we can say, doesn’t matter. So, just now we are not ?? we’ll talk about this thing. This when it comes here, it passes through (drawing on the board for a while) two densities - because, you know, we have two matters, white matter and grey - into two densities and that’s why, and inside is a hollow thing. So, because of it’s different densities it goes into a refraction. Then this one also goes into a refraction. Today my head is so heavy and I am going to tell you something! (laughter) Now, this thing now, has to go into verdina abdomina (sic), means the spinal chord, alright? It is here. Something like that it is. So it has to divert itself. When it goes like that, here, I don’t know if you know the principle of Parallelogram of Forces? (Newtonian physics theory) This is through, breaking through a component, and this goes like that. So you have one component going down like that and the one going like that. In the same way it happens to this one, also, at this point, you can say. So we have the attention of the human beings are going out. Now this one that is going down, is making up our sympathetic nervous system. And this one that is going out builds up our attention which goes to things. Now [if] it falls, supposing, on to any matter [then] this reacts on it. You see, this attention does not know what to do - it goes and gets involved into it, carrying this. Like English going to India to dominate. That’s how the heat (?) comes up and then it is stored in here, like that. This is how the two systems build up. This is the subconscious. This is supra-conscious. This is the superego, this is supra one. Now, to take this attention inside is the problem. This attention has to go to the Spirit. It’s not going (?) there. This attention has to go to the Spirit. When the subconscious acts, for example, I put my attention onto this chair. Alright? So now, if I’m not attached to it, I see it just as a play, after realisation I can see it. But before realisation to me, this is a precious thing, this is my possession, this is my home and this one is a emblem of some sort of my greatness, whatever it is. All these ideas come to my head. Then I get involved into this one. Then this becomes a conditioning factor. Supposing something happens to this chair, then I’m finished! I may even become mad! I can go to lunatic asylum (laughter). That possible, people do. I mean, for something material they can go into madness. But it has nothing to do with you, see it’s nothing, it’s outside, is outside. It is not inside. Here we are. So they devise methods. These are make-beliefs, specific make-beliefs. And the subconscious gives us a make-belief. Like, you must have heard, today I was just laughing at a joke, and saying that, “I believe! Of course I believe. I have faith!” “What? What is it?” “I believe in God.” “So! Are you obliging God or yourself?” It’s difficult for us to understand that by your believing or not believing God exists, whether you like it or not, He exists. But then the projection starts moving in such a way that we start even moulding Him according to our conditionings! For example to an Indian, God must have red ?, for an Englishman the God must have - I shouldn’t say but - a cigar (loud laughter), for a Buddhist this God must have long ears hanging from them - imagine! Or say to a Greek, God must have moustaches! (loud laughter) So it’s like that, it’s always like that! So that God has to conform to all the ideas of human beings, alright? Now, He is to be born somewhere poor thing, He has to be born. So, “How could he be born there?” I mean, it is too much to say about God like that. He’s the One who has created this Universe. In that huge thing we are not even a speck! And we are deciding about Him everything. It’s rather mysterious, isn’t it? How can an ant decide about Caxton Hall saying that, “Oh, this door should not have been there!”? This [comparison] is nothing relatively. It’s much more, much, much, much more. But this is what happens to us because our attention is just splashing out. This has also given us a freedom to be ‘ourselves’, in the sense ourselves, means ‘I’, ‘I-ness’, “I am so and so,” comes to us because the rising of ego and superego is there, cuts you out, completely from the All-pervading Power and you become an eggshell, you become an egg. And the shell is one side the ego, another side is the superego. Now pertaining to our seeking also, we use the same method: that “I think”. First starts with “I think”, you see. Whatever you think is not God, because if you could think, then He is not God. This is the absolute logic. He is too great that you could think about Him. You can only become one with It. It would be like a little bird trying to fathom the ocean. Now when we start our seeking, we come here with our conditionings. And the subconscious – today I’m talking about subconscious, not so much of ego but of subconscious because I started talking on subconscious - is still there. And the worst part of the subconscious is, the worst of all is that if the personality is ego-oriented then for him the subconscious is the most important thing. Such a person becomes a very obstinate seeker, very obstinate. He will start judging a person according to one’s subconscious, for example, “I don’t like.” And we become judgmental, you see. “I don’t like such a person.” “Now why?” “Oh, I just don’t like them.” Then the ego comes in, to explain it, saying, “Oh, must be something wrong with that person which I have felt through my Spirit!” I mean, Spirit you have not reached as yet. No, not yet. We must accept. Sahaja Yoga is not a make-believe. It is absolutely down-to-earth Truth. You cannot believe that, “Oh, I am spiritually alright. Yes, yes, I have got it. I felt very much better.” “I felt very much better” is not the way to look at your seeking. And when the ego becomes in charge of that subconscious, then seeking is very difficult, because ego starts deciding everything, you start judging everything with ego, and the subconscious is such a dubious thing, very dubious. Now, I would say Freud did work on the subconscious area. He did work on the subconscious area. It is a very dubious thing within us. Say, somebody’s mother has got green eyes: the boy will be fascinated by green eyes. Supposing the mother is modern and has got a bald head but uses a wig, alright? And if she doesn’t change her wig much then he may like a particular type of a wig. But if she changes too much, he may like a bald-headed woman, you can’t say [for definite]. So the subconscious works out with such transitory things that to get it fixed also is a difficult thing and, when it is fixed, to remove it is even more difficult. Some people become routineous in their nature, absolutely routineous (sic). They walk like blind. They get up early in the morning, they take their tea. The newspaper has to be there. If newspaper is not there they cannot do anything the whole day. Newspaper they must read. I mean, it’s good that we don’t read newspapers. But he can’t live without it. So he must have this newspaper before him. He takes his newspaper and the counted number of sips he’ll take of the tea. Then he’ll go into the bathroom with counted number of steps, will take the bath, the same way, absolutely the nail cutter here, this there, there, there. He just walks like this, moves on. Absolutely joyless, lifeless life he leads - it’s a routine. Another person is a topsy-turvy! Both the extremes come from our subconscious. If a person is very routineous and meticulous he could be a very bad headache. He’s a very unpopular person. He gives us a headache. Because he is used to a meticulous thing, he makes everybody meticulous, he wants everybody to be meticulous. If somebody is not meticulous then he gets after the life of that person. And I have seen some people if they see such a person coming in the morning they run away and have a bath, in India. Miserliness also come from such habits. All such headaches come from subconscious. But to them, because they have their ego, they say, “No, I’m not miserly. I’m economical.” Ego finds out words to make something ugly look very nice. And this is how we start off looking after our subconscious and nourishing it - nicely it’s coming up. We do not want to face ourselves. Even before realisation we can face ourselves, that, “Why are we so abnormal? Why everyone calls me a bore? No one likes my company. I have to assert myself too much to be in the company of others. There is no magnetism left in me. What’s the matter? Why? Why that people do not want me? Why they want to get rid of me?” But ego is something, “Oh, they are useless, they are good for nothing. I am such a higher personality. I am such and such. I am a person of taste, I am this. I am that.” And such people can end up with dogs or maybe some cats, I don’t know, they, some of them, end up with even snakes. Not with human beings. The subconscious has so many problems which Freud has brought forward and said that, “This is the subconscious, subconscious.” But he was such a limited man and a half-baked person that he himself suffered from all the patients who came to him and he got all their diseases and really, he became a case of complete ‘Materia Medica'. So whatever he has said has definitely helped us to see how many varieties of subconscious attacks we can have but, at the same time, he has given us no solutions and he has made us very one-sided - that is - “Do not allow yourself to be conditioned. Do not allow yourself to be conditioned.” Now, when we say like that, our subconscious may not be very much powerful but the other side is even worse! The other side is a terrible, absolutely terrorising thing called Mr. Ego. If that develops then there is no end to our nonsense. Then you become nothing but “I”, like a stick, you know. Anybody comes there he knows, you are that. So what to do? Is the problem. The dilemma before people is: what to do? If you get rid of your subconscious then you will get your supra-conscious in the sense that you start planning for the future. Then, “What’s wrong? What’s wrong?” The family system breaks up, the sinfulness is accepted, there’s no righteousness in life, nobody can talk of righteousness, there’s no worry about what you are doing to the society or to yourself. “What’s wrong?” “If I am doing like that, what’s wrong?” It goes on like that. So the other side develops. Now the first side, subconscious, gives you the deadliest disease called cancer. Cancer comes from the subconscious area not from the supra-conscious. But from supra-conscious you develop diseases like heart, paralysis, diabetes. Cancer is developed because your subconscious is overloaded. It may work out through ego, doesn’t matter - means you create an emergency within yourself. If you create an emergency within you - physical, mental, emotional, any kind of an emergency - [this] means you are loading your subconscious. For example, I go on rubbing this finger all my life - there are people funny, funny type we have. There are some called Jains, you know. I don’t know if you have heard about them. In their religion you are not supposed to use any razor. I don’t know why! They are specially against razors, absolutely. So you have to pluck your hair from all over, with your own hand. They go on plucking their hair because they are not supposed to cut it. You cannot use razor. Can you imagine? That extreme!! It’s the truth. So they go on plucking like this, all the time. And even if [they] all have lost all their hair, still they’ll be going on like that. This can develop an emergency in the different muscles, into different hands. Anything can develop an emergency, like, as you suggested last time, that if you put a metal in the body it develops an emergency - just if you introduce the metal. As soon as an emergency is created the subconscious starts wriggling, pumping, expanding. When the subconscious starts expanding then we move to the left hand side. The movement to the left hand side gives us a very dangerous position because in the left hand side is the collective subconscious. All that is dead since your creation, since your creation - I’m again saying that - is all there. All the kinds of vegetables that have gone out of circulation of evolution, all the kinds of matter that have gone out of circulation, all the kinds of insects, animals and, the last, human beings. All that is dead exists in the [subconscious] within ourselves, within our being. Everything exists within us. We don’t have to go outside. So we get exposed to that very dangerous area of subconscious when it expands. You may not be consciously conditioning yourself. For example, people thought it’s too much conditioning to wear the grey suits or the tail coats. [They thought] it may be too much. So they said, “Alright. Let us take to another style of life.” So they said, “Oh, this is all junk. Let’s dress up in such a way that we look like nothing on Earth.” This is an emergency, because you look so funny, you are to be attacked - simple thing is. Say, London is a place where you must walk with an umbrella. Actually, you play your hockey and also football with an umbrella on! And a person who walks without an umbrella during rain, in London, has to get cold. He may say, “Oh, I don’t care. You see, I am not formal!” That’s how the dress develops. That’s how the attitudes develop. Now, he says, “I’m not going to be conditioned. No, I’m not going to carry an umbrella. If it is raining, doesn’t matter. I’m not going to have raincoat or anything, any appendages like that, you see. I’ll just walk in my swim suit!” [Then] he’ll really swim through, I tell you. You just can’t do that. You are a human being. You are not a hippopotamus! But they want to be hippopotamus when they are human beings - because of ego. This is what it is. Either we want to be monkeys or we want to be tigers or we want to be lions, but we don’t want to be human beings that we are, because of Mr. Ego, which teaches you that you should be something different. These things create an emergency, and these emergencies lead us into areas which are very dangerous. Like, I would say, there’s a fire, supposing, in the other room, is an emergency created. Alright? What happens that, when the fire is there we get so frightened [that] we enter into another place and, from fire to frying pan, we may land up into something else. So to be normal, to be in the centre, as Buddha has said, to lead a normal life, and not to be unique and abnormal. Sometimes they do it just to create a nuisance value, that people should be able to see your faces. That’s why some people walk with red hair. All sorts of things people do. Be normal! In the centre. And to do that you don’t have to do anything. You are born a normal person - lead a normal life! I mean, if you are abnormally, handicapped or anything that’s a different point. But even normal people behave like that. Like this, your Grand Prix and all those things that you do. I mean, you have got hands, feet, everything, thank God for that. After some time you’ll find a person without one limb, “What [happened]?” “I was in Grand Prix,” begging on the street with a violin in the hand. All these subconscious problems come to us and stick to us because of our ego. If you do not identify ourselves with this subconscious and say, “No, no, nothing this. This is not important.” It comes from a very small areas. Like I can tell you about Indians very well because I have seen it very clearly. They are very particular about washing their hands, having their baths. They must have a bath every day, can you believe it? Even in England - I am not guilty, so I can tell you - and then take a bath in the morning and then go to their work. They don’t feel alright without that. They don’t feel alright, you see, this is the point is. And they die of lung cancer in this country. Day in and day out, day in and day out, for years together. “Oh, I never catch cold. Nothing happens to me. I’m very happy.” And suddenly you find they get a very galloping type of a cancer. So we have to know that we live in a nature, in a country, in a place; we have to adjust our body to that. We must respect that. We must respect that nature and not to fight it. Like, we are modern people, accept that we live with these machines and things like that. What’s the use of growing your hair like a primitive man? You cannot exist [here] as you exist in dense forest of Amazon, can you? We create such emergencies for ourselves by doing these extra special things that, that tells upon our subconscious and we become very much prone to cancer. I mean, I would say that people can develop cancer from a small thing like you have got those people who announce, “His excellency, such and such is coming”. He may find after some times he becomes “his excellency” in the throat. It is possible. Overdoing it, all the time doing the same thing. Shaking hands now: I mean sometimes really we shake hands with six hundred and seventy, eighty people. I do that. I think, “Now, what’s going to happen?” Just going on shaking hands with people. But change it a little bit. Now it has been on from I don’t know, George III, or whatever it was. It’s still on. It’s on in our country, same way, in England. And all these habit formations like that, that everybody must conform to that subconscious. I mean, sometimes for a change, let us say like this, sometimes shake hands, sometimes walk about. No! It’s the same form on and on and on. But I am not against tradition by any chance. For that I must say that traditions which are real traditions are always helpful. But traditions which are just mechanical…For example, paying respect to elders, paying respect to a saint. Now these days, of course, you can get ‘saints’ by the dozens. If you pay five pounds you can get a ‘saint’, standing there to take some more money from you. So, you can get saints and saints and saints. But still, all such traditions which makes you sublime, a higher personality, they are helpful to life. When I say that subconscious is not to be nourished and is to be looked after that I do not mean by any chance that you give up your good traditions. So there are some bad things and there are some good things that we need. And the good things we need are susamaskaras, are called as good conditionings. There is no word in English like ‘su’ but ‘su’ means the one which is good for your Spirit - so the samaskaras or the conditionings that are good for you. Outright rejection of the complete subconscious is as stupid as outright cancellation of your supra-conscious. You have to balance. You have to keep a balanced life between the two. Now when they break traditions they break it so much, so hard, that the whole society must crack down completely. Can’t you do it little bit? Must you crack down everything? And that is how another kind of emergency settles in, in society. Now, today which is the emergency which is the worst of all, for which you are not aware of? I think you people are not aware in the West. Which is the worst of all emergency that is settling in, in every human being, is a sense of insecurity. Your medias, they blast you every morning. You start feeling, “What’s happening?” Shocks. Anywhere you go you find, “Oh, God, this disaster, that disaster.” They never talk of anything that will give you peace, tranquility, that will console you, make you happy. You go home -your wife quarrels with you with such an emergency, “What happened?” “Oh, the tap is out of gear and you never did this. You didn’t do that. You don’t do that.” It could be vice versa, I mean, ‘wife’ means ‘husband’, ‘husband’ means ‘wife’. But the emergencies we create for others - do we understand that we are creating cancer for others? Do we? A man marries a woman - just see, this is very subtle one has to understand - and then he says, “Oh, what’s wrong? I’m just friendly with someone.” Like that. He flirts with other women, he has a keep or something. The woman develops insecurity within herself, and she develops a horrible disease called as breast cancer. The insecurities that develop within us, if they are carried too far by us, by people who think, “Oh, God, how insecure I am.” And to overcome that they end up their lives in the pubs and things like that and think that they can get rid of their problems, are even worse, much more vulnerable - those who try to escape the truth and go into subconscious more. Like you see, here, if there’s an emergency. If somebody runs into this room, there’s safety, but supposing you run into Scotland Yard! What will happen? It’s like that. Then emergency develops if you try to run. You might land up into very, very serious trouble. Face it! If your husband, husband is misbehaving you get after him. Tell him, “This won’t work out. You have to be a faithful man. Nothing doing.” And you see to that woman that she gets out. Give her two, three slaps doesn’t matter. She deserves it. She has no business to meddle with your married life. If the wife behaves like that, slap her nicely. She has no business to be infidel to you. Solve the problem. But do not be a person, “Oh, I don’t want to say anything. Let it be. Now he is in love.” Blow off such loves and things which creates problems for you. Just go and finish off all these nonsensical things. This creates horrible emergencies for men and women [but] the worst of all for children. We need peace. Human beings have to live in peace. They are beautifully made. They are made with such care. They are delicate beings. They are not to be hurt, they are not to be tortured, they are not to be troubled. Try to be kind to them. If the parents are not kind to the children, if a person does not have his parents in childhood, he is a volcanic personality. You have to be very, very kind to other people and nice to them. Do not create emergencies in their lives. If you create emergencies in their lives you are responsible for their troubles and their diseases. One must realise that human being is the most delicate thing that God has created so far. When you really love human beings as a whole you will realise this. And you will be amazed how we handle each other: the way we shout, the way we scream at others. There’s no delicacy of handling of other people. And that’s why, as I said, that, if you are unpopular for your meticulous nature or for your over-asserting, or for your ego, you must know that you are creating an emergency for others. Ego might give you a satisfaction: “Oh, I have done her right, that’s what.” “I have done him right. It’s good for him. Let him have it.” But there is God above us who will judge us. But when we talk of the subconscious, you see, we suddenly go into extremes of that also. It’s something, human beings are always to be said, “Don’t go too much this side”. Supposing you fall, this side you fall or you go that side and fall, you fall, isn’t it? Is it that when you come this side you do not fall and that side you fall? So both the sides if you move, go to extremes, you fall. So both the sides must be saved, and that’s why I must warn you, before I stop this lecture, that when we go too much to the subconscious and we worry too much about the subconscious, then, what happens? “Oh, don’t say anything. Let him do what he likes.” “If he is doing anything. I shouldn’t say anything. Why should we be harsh to them? And we should not hurt after all. Whatever he’s doing, is alright. Do not hurt him.” Even [if] a murderer comes before you, [if you say] “Oh, please, please, don’t say anything to him. Now he’s not a murderer.” This, this is going to another side. This is called as kaivalya, in Sanskrit, in which people give up their weapons, like Arjuna did. Arjuna was a disciple of Shri Krishna, just like My disciples here, you know. He was also there. And when the war came…I mean, he was a great warrior till the war started. When the war started he said, “Oh, Krishna, what’s the use of killing these? They are my brothers and my sisters, my teacher, my revered elders. How can I kill them just for a piece of land? I cannot kill them.” He gets into that subconscious mode. And on this was based Krishna’s philosophy. Those who can read through the lines can see that he tried to establish that this kind of a non-violence of a poor person, of a weak, is no non-violence. It is cowardice, it’s kaivalya. Even the non-violence of Arjuna is cowardice. For He said, “Who is killed? Your Spirit is never killed.” But for the religious establishment – religious doesn’t mean, I mean the Wars of Roses and all that – I mean the religion within yourself. For standing up for the truth of any cause is the war of dharma, is the war of sustenance, that sustains the society. So you have to rise against all such things and you have to fight it, because if you fight for that, you get your moksha. And if you live, people will call you victorious. It is a very balancing factor. Like, many people tell me, I mean they have told me many times also that, “Mother, why do you criticise the fake gurus?” What should I do? Should I garland them? These are horrible devils who were born before also and were killed by Goddess and today I see them so clearly and should I go and say, “Oh, you great people!”? What should I do? Krishna has said that, “Whenever there is fall of sustenance” “Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati Bharata” (यदायदा हि धर्मस्य,ग्लानिर भवति भारत), [meaning] when it goes down, the righteousness falls off, then “vinashaya cha drushmitam” (विनाशाय च दुष्कृताम्), to kill, to destroy these horrible negative forces, “Praritranaya Sadhunam,” (परित्राणाय साधूनां) “to save and to sustain the saints,” “Sambhavami yuge yuge” (सम्भवामि युगे युगे ) “I come in every age in human form.” (Bhagavad Gita chapter 4, vs 7/8) It was Christ who, on the cross, said that, “Forgive them, oh Father, for they do not know what they are doing.” And the same one took a hunter and hit these people hard when they were making money in the name of God! We never see the balancing factor in life. That’s typical of human beings! If they go on to one side they’ll go on to one side. If they go on to another, either they become Hitlers or they’ll become some sort of, I don’t know what to call them, some sort of people who are, who have no backbone, nothing - cabbages. You are human beings and a human being has to be in the centre. And this is what, always, I try to tell you that, when I talk about subconscious, I want you to have the balancing thing. And this comes to you through wisdom of Sahaja Yoga. Because when you get your realisation you get the vibrations flowing in the hand and you can find out when you lose your vibrations, because that’s the time you are losing your balance. This cool breeze that’s flowing through you is manifesting the Holy Ghost within you, this is the Brahmashakti, and that suggests, “Oh, you are going into imbalance.” But Sahaja yogis, specially in England, are very intelligent people. Specially in London they are even extra-intelligent. They make a politics out of Sahaja Yoga also. “It’s nice to be in politics.” So that they claim, “Oh, we are communists. We are this. We are that.” They say, “Alright, we are Sahaja yogis and we have to fight all such forces which are against us, against our Self-realisation, against our emancipation.” But we carry on with all these weaknesses. We go on living with them. We do not work out simple methods of Sahaja Yoga to get rid of them. We are quite satisfied with ourselves as we are. We do not grow, because we have an ego which says, “Oh, you are alright. Oh, Mataji was very kind to you. She smiled at you.” God knows what it meant! Or “the vibrations are alright. Yes, yes, perfect. I am very good. I am nothing. I am not doing anything wrong.” That is how they live. Either one has to change or one has to spare God forever! You cannot stand on two stools. It has been My experience now because I worked in London itself for so many years that even now the Sahaja yogis of London every time require a reminder that you have to cleanse yourself, keep your mind clean, your heart clean. Because Mataji, perhaps, is a good speaker you just come here, listen to Her and forget about it. It’s not going to help! My lectures are just useless, absolutely useless, if you cannot rise up to the point where you feel you are really clean. You all have to work it out. Do not justify it. For human beings it is important to know that, after realisation, you are attacked, much more than you are attacked before, temptations are much more. The Satan himself came to tempt Christ, because he knew that Christ was so powerful. In the same way, when you are saints the temptations come to you. If you yield to them, then it can be very dangerous. We have to know that, as we are delicate, we have to be careful. But as we have the power to overgrow these things as Sahaja yogis we have to take arms into our hands and fight ourselves out. We have to create such Sahaja yogis in London that they themselves become the advertisement. As today we were discussing what to do about Sahaja Yoga, how to advertise, how to do this - nothing works out. What works out really is a pure Sahaja yogi, a good Sahaja yogi: [the] example is of one Mr. Dhumal (from Rahuri). He went to the Commissioner’s Office in Pune and while dealing with the thing – maybe Indians are more sensitive to saints – they recognised that he was a saint and they said, “Sir, will you please tell us who is your Guru?” He said that, “I have a Mother.” And all that office of that commissioner is today Sahaja yogis. One person just changed the whole thing, transformed it. When we think of organising things for Sahaja Yoga and all that, we must know: are we ourselves organised to that extent? Alright, Mother works very hard, She cleanses you, She works for three, four hours. She’ll cleanse your subconscious, She’ll do this. But how are you yourself? What is your own picture about you, yourself? And this is important, very important for all of us. It’s a very important time we are in. There are so many seekers who are getting just drowned. For no fault of theirs they can be lost. Every Sahaja yogi has a duty towards his Spirit and towards God Almighty that he must try his level best to keep himself beautifully shining and shining others with joy, happiness and bliss. May God bless you all. We have to make one thing very clear to all the people, new people who come to Sahaja Yoga. Supposing somebody has a background of a terrible black magic training and all that, or somebody is a teacher, say, of say TM or a teacher, or a gururaj business or sort of a person. You see, if you have all this kind of background you have to be extra careful about yourself! You have to be extra careful because after realisations of people, even here in the hall, they are terrified within yourself and they would like to run away. But when you are alone they will try to tempt you, in the beginning. So, after realisation, you have to establish yourself with very great care. Otherwise, you can be lost, you can be in trouble. And then don’t blame Sahaja Yoga for that. Whatever is Sahaja Yoga, it is. You cannot mould it. It is the way it is. Whatever background you have, your subconscious, wherever have you been, you please remember that, that you have to be very careful. At least for a month, you must be very, very careful and see to it that you do not expose yourself to these old environments. I would suggest that you better keep more to yourself at least for seven to ten days. Do not go out too much. Keep to yourself. You are precious things for God. He looks after you, no doubt. But as you have been through so many horrible things it’s possible that you might be attacked. And then don’t blame Sahaja Yoga for that. That can happen, has happened to so many people I know of. So be careful, after getting realisation. Like the seedling, when it is sprouted, how we are careful with the seedling for some time, till it becomes a tree. We not so careful with the seed. We are not! but with the seedling, it’s so delicate. That’s how you m ust look after your realisation. That’s how you must work it out. Can I have questions from you? (Shri Mataji’s small granddaughter has a question - a complaint about another child!) So this is a question coming! Now, is there any question? Little loudly. Say it a little loudly for Me. Sahaja yogi: Shri Mataji: Gavin, you come here and just tell Me. I’m just….Today My ears are blown inside out, you see. I’ve been working on someone which has really killed me in action! Just ask, what he’s saying. Now, just whatever he says, repeat it. Ha. Just ask the question please. Ha. Seeker: Your Holiness, you spoke of being attacked, and picking things up from others. May I ask if one should try to avoid that or whether one should just accept it? Shri Mataji: Alright. Sit. Good question. He says if you are attacked whether one should avoid it or one should accept it. It’s a very simple answer. Now, any Sahaja yogi who can answer it? Let’s see. Now, testing point! (nobody offers an answer) Ah, such simple things I tell you! What happens to the intellectuals? (laughing) Come along! No answer? Haa… Sahaja yogi: Just stay in thoughtless awareness. Shri Mataji: That’s true, but you know, this question is very, very straight. If you are attacked should you run away from that or should you face it? Sahaja Yogi: Face it. Endeavour to face it. Shri Mataji: No, no, not necessarily. It’s very simple, I tell you. It’s very simple. It’s this: that if you can face it, face it. Otherwise, you run away! (laughter) There’s no need to face. Forget it! You are not responsible for all these mad people! No. With the speed of the five hundred miles per hour if it is coming to you. It’s very simple. Again the wisdom. Do you see the balancing part? You need not. If I say, “face,” it doesn’t mean [for] anybody coming you face. Measure it up. Alright? If you can, manage it otherwise, take the other course, makes no difference. In Sahaja Yoga you are not branded as anything like a man with a sword. You are a man with a sword and also a shield. If it comes to the shield, alright, have the shield on. And you can place the shield into his hand and run away, it’s alright. We must learn; this is known as Krishnanithi. About this I will tell you a very simple example of Krishna’s style. He’s called as Ranchordas, the one who ran away from the fields [of battle]. Imagine, Krishna’s name is Ranchordas! The one who ran away from the fields. You know, it’s such a shameful thing to run away. There was a horrible devil who was given certain boons by Brahmadeva, and he could not be killed by normal methods, and Krishna knew that He won’t be able to kill him with His Sudarshan chakra. He didn’t want His Sudarshan chakra to be spoiled, the thing, the discus [that] He used. So He knew about a big sage who was meditating in his sleep, in a cave, very near that battlefield. And this sage had a boon that, “As soon as you will open your eyes from this meditation, the first person you will see will become into ashes.” So Krishna started running away from the [battle]field. People said, “Oh, look at Him! Like a coward He’s running.” But this devil would not give in, he started running after Him and Krishna ran very fast you see, played all the tricks, illusions, and He ran. And He was covering Himself with a shawl, like this. And this sage was sleeping there. He went and very delicately He put His shawl on top of that sage, and he was still fast asleep. When this fellow followed Him into the cave, Krishna had hidden Himself. He went into the cave, you see. And he thought this was Krishna who was sleeping there. He started saying, “Hey, you Krishna, now You are sleeping here, You are tired, You’ve ran out of the field, but I am going to kill You.” And as soon as he said that, this fellow got up and looked at him and the fellow became into ashes! (laughter) It is tomfoolery to fight someone who is going to trouble us. Why should we? But if you can face up to someone you should. Then you become so very strong, like me I should say, that you don’t run away. But sometimes I also run away, I must tell you! As I get fed up sometimes, the way things are. Not from demonic forces so much as from some of the Sahaja yogis. I see to it that they don’t see me anymore because they never improve. They always become tools, instruments in the hands of Satanic forces and bring horrible things to me. Then I don’t want to have mosquitoes around, isn’t it? Then you want to put a mosquito net around you, in the same way. You don’t ask mosquitoes, “You come and bite and I’ll bite you.” So it could be on any level. We have to judge with our wisdom. One must know that Sahaja yogis are the most important thing in the whole creation today. One should not become egoistical, of course - I must give the balance - but they are, no doubt. So we should know how to preserve ourselves and preserve for what? Not for pickling out yourself but for fighting. But first, preservation is important. If you are not there, what are you fighting with? So it’s question of wisdom. It’s very simple. Sahaja Yoga is so simple, no complication. Like this, you judge everything. I mean, these norms of human acceptance is like, you see, you are a big hero, even if you cut your nose. That’s not in Sahaja Yoga. You are not going to cut your nose, but you’ll be a hero - that’s how. I would not like any one of my children to be hurt even this much. And there are so many ways of avoiding it. Now, any other question? This lady is there. For her I have to tell her one thing, that you must understand what you have to have as a seeker. That’s very important. Otherwise one would never see who is alright, who is not alright. Like TM, [the] less said the better! People may say, “What’s wrong?” What’s good? First of all, let’s go on to that point. The minimum of minimum: what’s good it has done? It has polished off your money? Are you flying? Anyone of you are flying? Face it! Everybody has become a poor person, has got epilepsy. So many of them have got epilepsy. Are you cured of your troubles? Are you physically helped? No, so it’s nothing good. Why should you pay? Only good it has got is one, that it takes money from you. You see, makes you little lighter if you have too much. No? No income tax problem, bank problem. It’s already gone! If that is the thing you want to have, then it’s alright. Then go ahead of it. Has your life been helped? In any other way? Are you a recluse? Or are you a person who can articulate with others, very normal? The highest of highest, one should know that you are the Spirit. Are you manifesting your Spirit anywhere? Are collectively conscious? Are you actually collectively conscious or just it’s a make-belief? Are you that awareness which is described? Just face it. Sahaja Yoga is just the other way around, you know. You cannot please it by giving money to it - no! It doesn’t consider anything about that. Also it cannot bother about how many efforts you have put in, how many times you have been and all that - no! it doesn’t bother about this thing. On the contrary, if you are still attached to all such things it just recedes, it recedes. It’s recession, all the time. It’s very difficult. I go on pushing it [but] it recedes, you see. Either you have to change your attitude or it has to change. But it does not because it is eternal thing. It does not change, it is changeless. So you better change your attitude and accept it. Otherwise the Spirit is changeless. It recedes back. It recedes to such an extent that one may get a heart attack and die, because of its recession. So you have to really come with an attitude of reception otherwise it recedes. Sahaja Yoga is such a beautiful thing but its qualities are not changeable. There’s no compromise, no compromise. It does not compromise. It stands in its own authority, in its own glory, in its own nature. It doesn’t change. You can pay any amount of money or need not pay, you may put in effort, nothing, you bring to any colour, creed, anything, makes no difference to Sahaja Yoga - nothing! It’s the acceptance. It’s the readily acceptance of your Spirit and not of your ego. While in other places they might pamper your ego, they might give you a mesmerism, hurting your superego. Here it is your Spirit, absolutely your Spirit which you have to achieve, to which you have to surrender to, to recognise that you are the Spirit. Alright? No flying, no jumping, nothing. It’s the Spirit, the manifestation of the Spirit. It’s as simple as that. One has to have a humble attitude towards it otherwise the Spirit doesn’t come. One has to be humble. It’s a grace, it’s a gift. It’s a gift of God. It’s your own, I agree, it’s your own, but it’s a gift. And for that we have to accept it with a humble heart otherwise it doesn’t work out. It won’t work out, my child. It won’t work out. I am your Mother, alright, but Sahaja Yoga is not. Mother means many things. Sahaja Yoga is not, it judges you very much. I do not, but it does. So be careful. Mother is much larger than Sahaja Yoga. And so She forgives and She knows and She tells you and She says, “No, no, no, no. It’s alright.” But I must warn you that Sahaja Yoga recedes. That’s why we have few Sahaja yogis. You have to accept it, for your own good, with understanding. Seeker: As one grows, one becomes more connected, and more connected with other people and one wonders what happens in this cleansing process when one may lose a desire or one becomes cleansed in some way. Shri Mataji: Desire for? Seeker: No, but one wonders what happens to the desires that one loses, and whether the people one is connected with, have to bear that burden. Could You say anything about… Shri Mataji: Have to bear what? Seeker: Any burden that it’s shed from us in the cleansing process. Shri Mataji: Alright. Please be seated. You see, now if you, say, are a person who is a married man. Say, [for] example I am saying. You do not give up your marriage in Sahaja Yoga. On the contrary, you become a tougher person to bear it up if there’s a problem. You become a sweeter person to enjoy it. And you become a master how to solve the problems of married life. So actually what happens is that the situations that are created or the things that looks so impossible, start [to] become absolutely like a myth to you and you know how to solve them. So you do not have to secede from people but gradually you will start changing your priorities. You will start yourself automatically because you won’t enjoy their company but you will have another company, the company of people with whom you should be identified. They are your type, your style, who think for the betterment of one’s own Spirit and the Spirit of this Universe - such people. Now all such people have to gather together, when they start clinging together, all of them. Alright? Maybe in the beginning you might find some of them may not join you. They may think, “Oh, he’s gone. He’s finished. He’s no good.” But we are normal people, we live like normal people. There’s no dress, special dress, nothing. I mean you just behave like absolutely normal people. You do not sever your relations with anyone. There’s no need to sever. With whom to sever relations if you are not connected with anyone? It’s a question of inner detachment. Only thing [that happens], you get concerned about people that they are not in Sahaja Yoga. Also you get concerned about people who try to go against God. And when you realise what is the truth, with your family, with everyone. Now we have in Sahaja Yoga one person comes in, the family comes in. Now, Ray (Harris) is here, his parents are now Sahaja yogis in Sheffield. And I’m going to see them there, I’ll be very happy to meet them. So many people who gave up their parents, Kay is here, or so many like that have gone back to their parents. So it’s a different thing altogether. It’s a living process of the manifestation of Divine Love. The whole thing changes. But one thing is sure: you cannot force Sahaja Yoga on anyone. My own daughters are not yet realised souls. What can I do? It’s alright. When the time will come they will get it. I have never forced that on them. They may not be even knowing what is Kundalini perhaps, maybe. So my daughters, how many daughters I must have had and I have, how many wives you must have had in previous lives and how many husbands? God alone knows. So why worry? That way you are so lonely, isn’t it? Only in collective consciousness you have common feeling, commonness. “Who are my brothers and who are my sisters?” asked Christ. Just have a very balanced attitude, neither of joy nor of, I mean, expression of some sort of a thing like that, or of any unhappiness. Just be watching, just be watching. Mmmm, getting in? It’s very subtle. It’s very subtle. But when it happens you start feeling it very much. Put your hands straight, straight like this.

1981-06-29, Conditioning, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 29 July 1981. The other day I talked to you about the left side power that we have by which we desire. In Sahaja Yoga language we call it as Mahakali power. And this power gives us the left side which is our subconscious. And the subconscious, it gives us the conditioning. Through our subconscious only we become conditioned. Now how does our subconscious take the conditioning? In between the thought there’s a very little space which we can call as the silence, as the present. But the thought, that comes to you, rises and falls off, stops for a while, and again another thought starts and falls off. The first thought that rises, we can see the rising of the thought, not the falling of it, and when it falls it goes into the subconscious. Another one also rises, it rises and again it falls [and] it goes into the subconscious. That’s how our subconscious starts building up. How do the thoughts come into us? Thought comes to us because human beings, when they look at a thing, they have a method of projecting their mind into it. If you have got a blackboard I can tell you how it happens. Can you wipe it off? I wanted to talk about this subject but it’s rather complicated. But we have to somehow or other face it sometimes in life. (Shri Mataji draws on a blackboard) This is the brain of a human (laughter). Special type! It starts as a little thing like that, you see, then grows up into a flat surface, then grows on rising like that till it becomes this kind of a thing which is the area, you can say, of the brain this develops up. Alright. So what happens? The energy that falls onto it, in the very childhood, one has a very long type of head, when the mother is pregnant, the child is in the foetus stage, in the foetus stage it happens that, second month or so. Then, the energy is coiled in three parts, one like that (Mother is drawing with chalk on the blackboard) one like that. This is one energy, that is Brahmashakti - one energy. Because there are three parts, it gets divided into three we can say, doesn’t matter. So, just now we are not ?? we’ll talk about this thing. This when it comes here, it passes through (drawing on the board for a while) two densities - because, you know, we have two matters, white matter and grey - into two densities and that’s why, and inside is a hollow thing. So, because of it’s different densities it goes into a refraction. Then this one also goes into a refraction. Today my head is so heavy and I am going to tell you something! (laughter) Now, this thing now, has to go into verdina abdomina (sic), means the spinal chord, alright? It is here. Something like that it is. So it has to divert itself. When it goes like that, here, I don’t know if you know the principle of Parallelogram of Forces? (Newtonian physics theory) This is through, breaking through a component, and this goes like that. So you have one component going down like that and the one going like that. In the same way it happens to this one, also, at this point, you can say. So we have the attention of the human beings are going out. Now this one that is going down, is making up our sympathetic nervous system. And this one that is going out builds up our attention which goes to things. Now [if] it falls, supposing, on to any matter [then] this reacts on it. You see, this attention does not know what to do - it goes and gets involved into it, carrying this. Like English going to India to dominate. That’s how the heat (?) comes up and then it is stored in here, like that. This is how the two systems build up. This is the subconscious. This is supra-conscious. This is the superego, this is supra one. Now, to take this attention inside is the problem. This attention has to go to the Spirit. It’s not going (?) there. This attention has to go to the Spirit. When the subconscious acts, for example, I put my attention onto this chair. Alright? So now, if I’m not attached to it, I see it just as a play, after realisation I can see it. But before realisation to me, this is a precious thing, this is my possession, this is my home and this one is a emblem of some sort of my greatness, whatever it is. All these ideas come to my head. Then I get involved into this one. Then this becomes a conditioning factor. Supposing something happens to this chair, then I’m finished! I may even become mad! I can go to lunatic asylum (laughter). That possible, people do. I mean, for something material they can go into madness. But it has nothing to do with you, see it’s nothing, it’s outside, is outside. It is not inside. Here we are. So they devise methods. These are make-beliefs, specific make-beliefs. And the subconscious gives us a make-belief. Like, you must have heard, today I was just laughing at a joke, and saying that, “I believe! Of course I believe. I have faith!” “What? What is it?” “I believe in God.” “So! Are you obliging God or yourself?” It’s difficult for us to understand that by your believing or not believing God exists, whether you like it or not, He exists. But then the projection starts moving in such a way that we start even moulding Him according to our conditionings! For example to an Indian, God must have red ?, for an Englishman the God must have - I shouldn’t say but - a cigar (loud laughter), for a Buddhist this God must have long ears hanging from them - imagine! Or say to a Greek, God must have moustaches! (loud laughter) So it’s like that, it’s always like that! So that God has to conform to all the ideas of human beings, alright? Now, He is to be born somewhere poor thing, He has to be born. So, “How could he be born there?” I mean, it is too much to say about God like that. He’s the One who has created this Universe. In that huge thing we are not even a speck! And we are deciding about Him everything. It’s rather mysterious, isn’t it? How can an ant decide about Caxton Hall saying that, “Oh, this door should not have been there!”? This [comparison] is nothing relatively. It’s much more, much, much, much more. But this is what happens to us because our attention is just splashing out. This has also given us a freedom to be ‘ourselves’, in the sense ourselves, means ‘I’, ‘I-ness’, “I am so and so,” comes to us because the rising of ego and superego is there, cuts you out, completely from the All-pervading Power and you become an eggshell, you become an egg. And the shell is one side the ego, another side is the superego. Now pertaining to our seeking also, we use the same method: that “I think”. First starts with “I think”, you see. Whatever you think is not God, because if you could think, then He is not God. This is the absolute logic. He is too great that you could think about Him. You can only become one with It. It would be like a little bird trying to fathom the ocean. Now when we start our seeking, we come here with our conditionings. And the subconscious – today I’m talking about subconscious, not so much of ego but of subconscious because I started talking on subconscious - is still there. And the worst part of the subconscious is, the worst of all is that if the personality is ego-oriented then for him the subconscious is the most important thing. Such a person becomes a very obstinate seeker, very obstinate. He will start judging a person according to one’s subconscious, for example, “I don’t like.” And we become judgmental, you see. “I don’t like such a person.” “Now why?” “Oh, I just don’t like them.” Then the ego comes in, to explain it, saying, “Oh, must be something wrong with that person which I have felt through my Spirit!” I mean, Spirit you have not reached as yet. No, not yet. We must accept. Sahaja Yoga is not a make-believe. It is absolutely down-to-earth Truth. You cannot believe that, “Oh, I am spiritually alright. Yes, yes, I have got it. I felt very much better.” “I felt very much better” is not the way to look at your seeking. And when the ego becomes in charge of that subconscious, then seeking is very difficult, because ego starts deciding everything, you start judging everything with ego, and the subconscious is such a dubious thing, very dubious. Now, I would say Freud did work on the subconscious area. He did work on the subconscious area. It is a very dubious thing within us. Say, somebody’s mother has got green eyes: the boy will be fascinated by green eyes. Supposing the mother is modern and has got a bald head but uses a wig, alright? And if she doesn’t change her wig much then he may like a particular type of a wig. But if she changes too much, he may like a bald-headed woman, you can’t say [for definite]. So the subconscious works out with such transitory things that to get it fixed also is a difficult thing and, when it is fixed, to remove it is even more difficult. Some people become routineous in their nature, absolutely routineous (sic). They walk like blind. They get up early in the morning, they take their tea. The newspaper has to be there. If newspaper is not there they cannot do anything the whole day. Newspaper they must read. I mean, it’s good that we don’t read newspapers. But he can’t live without it. So he must have this newspaper before him. He takes his newspaper and the counted number of sips he’ll take of the tea. Then he’ll go into the bathroom with counted number of steps, will take the bath, the same way, absolutely the nail cutter here, this there, there, there. He just walks like this, moves on. Absolutely joyless, lifeless life he leads - it’s a routine. Another person is a topsy-turvy! Both the extremes come from our subconscious. If a person is very routineous and meticulous he could be a very bad headache. He’s a very unpopular person. He gives us a headache. Because he is used to a meticulous thing, he makes everybody meticulous, he wants everybody to be meticulous. If somebody is not meticulous then he gets after the life of that person. And I have seen some people if they see such a person coming in the morning they run away and have a bath, in India. Miserliness also come from such habits. All such headaches come from subconscious. But to them, because they have their ego, they say, “No, I’m not miserly. I’m economical.” Ego finds out words to make something ugly look very nice. And this is how we start off looking after our subconscious and nourishing it - nicely it’s coming up. We do not want to face ourselves. Even before realisation we can face ourselves, that, “Why are we so abnormal? Why everyone calls me a bore? No one likes my company. I have to assert myself too much to be in the company of others. There is no magnetism left in me. What’s the matter? Why? Why that people do not want me? Why they want to get rid of me?” But ego is something, “Oh, they are useless, they are good for nothing. I am such a higher personality. I am such and such. I am a person of taste, I am this. I am that.” And such people can end up with dogs or maybe some cats, I don’t know, they, some of them, end up with even snakes. Not with human beings. The subconscious has so many problems which Freud has brought forward and said that, “This is the subconscious, subconscious.” But he was such a limited man and a half-baked person that he himself suffered from all the patients who came to him and he got all their diseases and really, he became a case of complete ‘Materia Medica'. So whatever he has said has definitely helped us to see how many varieties of subconscious attacks we can have but, at the same time, he has given us no solutions and he has made us very one-sided - that is - “Do not allow yourself to be conditioned. Do not allow yourself to be conditioned.” Now, when we say like that, our subconscious may not be very much powerful but the other side is even worse! The other side is a terrible, absolutely terrorising thing called Mr. Ego. If that develops then there is no end to our nonsense. Then you become nothing but “I”, like a stick, you know. Anybody comes there he knows, you are that. So what to do? Is the problem. The dilemma before people is: what to do? If you get rid of your subconscious then you will get your supra-conscious in the sense that you start planning for the future. Then, “What’s wrong? What’s wrong?” The family system breaks up, the sinfulness is accepted, there’s no righteousness in life, nobody can talk of righteousness, there’s no worry about what you are doing to the society or to yourself. “What’s wrong?” “If I am doing like that, what’s wrong?” It goes on like that. So the other side develops. Now the first side, subconscious, gives you the deadliest disease called cancer. Cancer comes from the subconscious area not from the supra-conscious. But from supra-conscious you develop diseases like heart, paralysis, diabetes. Cancer is developed because your subconscious is overloaded. It may work out through ego, doesn’t matter - means you create an emergency within yourself. If you create an emergency within you - physical, mental, emotional, any kind of an emergency - [this] means you are loading your subconscious. For example, I go on rubbing this finger all my life - there are people funny, funny type we have. There are some called Jains, you know. I don’t know if you have heard about them. In their religion you are not supposed to use any razor. I don’t know why! They are specially against razors, absolutely. So you have to pluck your hair from all over, with your own hand. They go on plucking their hair because they are not supposed to cut it. You cannot use razor. Can you imagine? That extreme!! It’s the truth. So they go on plucking like this, all the time. And even if [they] all have lost all their hair, still they’ll be going on like that. This can develop an emergency in the different muscles, into different hands. Anything can develop an emergency, like, as you suggested last time, that if you put a metal in the body it develops an emergency - just if you introduce the metal. As soon as an emergency is created the subconscious starts wriggling, pumping, expanding. When the subconscious starts expanding then we move to the left hand side. The movement to the left hand side gives us a very dangerous position because in the left hand side is the collective subconscious. All that is dead since your creation, since your creation - I’m again saying that - is all there. All the kinds of vegetables that have gone out of circulation of evolution, all the kinds of matter that have gone out of circulation, all the kinds of insects, animals and, the last, human beings. All that is dead exists in the [subconscious] within ourselves, within our being. Everything exists within us. We don’t have to go outside. So we get exposed to that very dangerous area of subconscious when it expands. You may not be consciously conditioning yourself. For example, people thought it’s too much conditioning to wear the grey suits or the tail coats. [They thought] it may be too much. So they said, “Alright. Let us take to another style of life.” So they said, “Oh, this is all junk. Let’s dress up in such a way that we look like nothing on Earth.” This is an emergency, because you look so funny, you are to be attacked - simple thing is. Say, London is a place where you must walk with an umbrella. Actually, you play your hockey and also football with an umbrella on! And a person who walks without an umbrella during rain, in London, has to get cold. He may say, “Oh, I don’t care. You see, I am not formal!” That’s how the dress develops. That’s how the attitudes develop. Now, he says, “I’m not going to be conditioned. No, I’m not going to carry an umbrella. If it is raining, doesn’t matter. I’m not going to have raincoat or anything, any appendages like that, you see. I’ll just walk in my swim suit!” [Then] he’ll really swim through, I tell you. You just can’t do that. You are a human being. You are not a hippopotamus! But they want to be hippopotamus when they are human beings - because of ego. This is what it is. Either we want to be monkeys or we want to be tigers or we want to be lions, but we don’t want to be human beings that we are, because of Mr. Ego, which teaches you that you should be something different. These things create an emergency, and these emergencies lead us into areas which are very dangerous. Like, I would say, there’s a fire, supposing, in the other room, is an emergency created. Alright? What happens that, when the fire is there we get so frightened [that] we enter into another place and, from fire to frying pan, we may land up into something else. So to be normal, to be in the centre, as Buddha has said, to lead a normal life, and not to be unique and abnormal. Sometimes they do it just to create a nuisance value, that people should be able to see your faces. That’s why some people walk with red hair. All sorts of things people do. Be normal! In the centre. And to do that you don’t have to do anything. You are born a normal person - lead a normal life! I mean, if you are abnormally, handicapped or anything that’s a different point. But even normal people behave like that. Like this, your Grand Prix and all those things that you do. I mean, you have got hands, feet, everything, thank God for that. After some time you’ll find a person without one limb, “What [happened]?” “I was in Grand Prix,” begging on the street with a violin in the hand. All these subconscious problems come to us and stick to us because of our ego. If you do not identify ourselves with this subconscious and say, “No, no, nothing this. This is not important.” It comes from a very small areas. Like I can tell you about Indians very well because I have seen it very clearly. They are very particular about washing their hands, having their baths. They must have a bath every day, can you believe it? Even in England - I am not guilty, so I can tell you - and then take a bath in the morning and then go to their work. They don’t feel alright without that. They don’t feel alright, you see, this is the point is. And they die of lung cancer in this country. Day in and day out, day in and day out, for years together. “Oh, I never catch cold. Nothing happens to me. I’m very happy.” And suddenly you find they get a very galloping type of a cancer. So we have to know that we live in a nature, in a country, in a place; we have to adjust our body to that. We must respect that. We must respect that nature and not to fight it. Like, we are modern people, accept that we live with these machines and things like that. What’s the use of growing your hair like a primitive man? You cannot exist [here] as you exist in dense forest of Amazon, can you? We create such emergencies for ourselves by doing these extra special things that, that tells upon our subconscious and we become very much prone to cancer. I mean, I would say that people can develop cancer from a small thing like you have got those people who announce, “His excellency, such and such is coming”. He may find after some times he becomes “his excellency” in the throat. It is possible. Overdoing it, all the time doing the same thing. Shaking hands now: I mean sometimes really we shake hands with six hundred and seventy, eighty people. I do that. I think, “Now, what’s going to happen?” Just going on shaking hands with people. But change it a little bit. Now it has been on from I don’t know, George III, or whatever it was. It’s still on. It’s on in our country, same way, in England. And all these habit formations like that, that everybody must conform to that subconscious. I mean, sometimes for a change, let us say like this, sometimes shake hands, sometimes walk about. No! It’s the same form on and on and on. But I am not against tradition by any chance. For that I must say that traditions which are real traditions are always helpful. But traditions which are just mechanical…For example, paying respect to elders, paying respect to a saint. Now these days, of course, you can get ‘saints’ by the dozens. If you pay five pounds you can get a ‘saint’, standing there to take some more money from you. So, you can get saints and saints and saints. But still, all such traditions which makes you sublime, a higher personality, they are helpful to life. When I say that subconscious is not to be nourished and is to be looked after that I do not mean by any chance that you give up your good traditions. So there are some bad things and there are some good things that we need. And the good things we need are susamaskaras, are called as good conditionings. There is no word in English like ‘su’ but ‘su’ means the one which is good for your Spirit - so the samaskaras or the conditionings that are good for you. Outright rejection of the complete subconscious is as stupid as outright cancellation of your supra-conscious. You have to balance. You have to keep a balanced life between the two. Now when they break traditions they break it so much, so hard, that the whole society must crack down completely. Can’t you do it little bit? Must you crack down everything? And that is how another kind of emergency settles in, in society. Now, today which is the emergency which is the worst of all, for which you are not aware of? I think you people are not aware in the West. Which is the worst of all emergency that is settling in, in every human being, is a sense of insecurity. Your medias, they blast you every morning. You start feeling, “What’s happening?” Shocks. Anywhere you go you find, “Oh, God, this disaster, that disaster.” They never talk of anything that will give you peace, tranquility, that will console you, make you happy. You go home -your wife quarrels with you with such an emergency, “What happened?” “Oh, the tap is out of gear and you never did this. You didn’t do that. You don’t do that.” It could be vice versa, I mean, ‘wife’ means ‘husband’, ‘husband’ means ‘wife’. But the emergencies we create for others - do we understand that we are creating cancer for others? Do we? A man marries a woman - just see, this is very subtle one has to understand - and then he says, “Oh, what’s wrong? I’m just friendly with someone.” Like that. He flirts with other women, he has a keep or something. The woman develops insecurity within herself, and she develops a horrible disease called as breast cancer. The insecurities that develop within us, if they are carried too far by us, by people who think, “Oh, God, how insecure I am.” And to overcome that they end up their lives in the pubs and things like that and think that they can get rid of their problems, are even worse, much more vulnerable - those who try to escape the truth and go into subconscious more. Like you see, here, if there’s an emergency. If somebody runs into this room, there’s safety, but supposing you run into Scotland Yard! What will happen? It’s like that. Then emergency develops if you try to run. You might land up into very, very serious trouble. Face it! If your husband, husband is misbehaving you get after him. Tell him, “This won’t work out. You have to be a faithful man. Nothing doing.” And you see to that woman that she gets out. Give her two, three slaps doesn’t matter. She deserves it. She has no business to meddle with your married life. If the wife behaves like that, slap her nicely. She has no business to be infidel to you. Solve the problem. But do not be a person, “Oh, I don’t want to say anything. Let it be. Now he is in love.” Blow off such loves and things which creates problems for you. Just go and finish off all these nonsensical things. This creates horrible emergencies for men and women [but] the worst of all for children. We need peace. Human beings have to live in peace. They are beautifully made. They are made with such care. They are delicate beings. They are not to be hurt, they are not to be tortured, they are not to be troubled. Try to be kind to them. If the parents are not kind to the children, if a person does not have his parents in childhood, he is a volcanic personality. You have to be very, very kind to other people and nice to them. Do not create emergencies in their lives. If you create emergencies in their lives you are responsible for their troubles and their diseases. One must realise that human being is the most delicate thing that God has created so far. When you really love human beings as a whole you will realise this. And you will be amazed how we handle each other: the way we shout, the way we scream at others. There’s no delicacy of handling of other people. And that’s why, as I said, that, if you are unpopular for your meticulous nature or for your over-asserting, or for your ego, you must know that you are creating an emergency for others. Ego might give you a satisfaction: “Oh, I have done her right, that’s what.” “I have done him right. It’s good for him. Let him have it.” But there is God above us who will judge us. But when we talk of the subconscious, you see, we suddenly go into extremes of that also. It’s something, human beings are always to be said, “Don’t go too much this side”. Supposing you fall, this side you fall or you go that side and fall, you fall, isn’t it? Is it that when you come this side you do not fall and that side you fall? So both the sides if you move, go to extremes, you fall. So both the sides must be saved, and that’s why I must warn you, before I stop this lecture, that when we go too much to the subconscious and we worry too much about the subconscious, then, what happens? “Oh, don’t say anything. Let him do what he likes.” “If he is doing anything. I shouldn’t say anything. Why should we be harsh to them? And we should not hurt after all. Whatever he’s doing, is alright. Do not hurt him.” Even [if] a murderer comes before you, [if you say] “Oh, please, please, don’t say anything to him. Now he’s not a murderer.” This, this is going to another side. This is called as kaivalya, in Sanskrit, in which people give up their weapons, like Arjuna did. Arjuna was a disciple of Shri Krishna, just like My disciples here, you know. He was also there. And when the war came…I mean, he was a great warrior till the war started. When the war started he said, “Oh, Krishna, what’s the use of killing these? They are my brothers and my sisters, my teacher, my revered elders. How can I kill them just for a piece of land? I cannot kill them.” He gets into that subconscious mode. And on this was based Krishna’s philosophy. Those who can read through the lines can see that he tried to establish that this kind of a non-violence of a poor person, of a weak, is no non-violence. It is cowardice, it’s kaivalya. Even the non-violence of Arjuna is cowardice. For He said, “Who is killed? Your Spirit is never killed.” But for the religious establishment – religious doesn’t mean, I mean the Wars of Roses and all that – I mean the religion within yourself. For standing up for the truth of any cause is the war of dharma, is the war of sustenance, that sustains the society. So you have to rise against all such things and you have to fight it, because if you fight for that, you get your moksha. And if you live, people will call you victorious. It is a very balancing factor. Like, many people tell me, I mean they have told me many times also that, “Mother, why do you criticise the fake gurus?” What should I do? Should I garland them? These are horrible devils who were born before also and were killed by Goddess and today I see them so clearly and should I go and say, “Oh, you great people!”? What should I do? Krishna has said that, “Whenever there is fall of sustenance” “Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati Bharata” (यदायदा हि धर्मस्य,ग्लानिर भवति भारत), [meaning] when it goes down, the righteousness falls off, then “vinashaya cha drushmitam” (विनाशाय च दुष्कृताम्), to kill, to destroy these horrible negative forces, “Praritranaya Sadhunam,” (परित्राणाय साधूनां) “to save and to sustain the saints,” “Sambhavami yuge yuge” (सम्भवामि युगे युगे ) “I come in every age in human form.” (Bhagavad Gita chapter 4, vs 7/8) It was Christ who, on the cross, said that, “Forgive them, oh Father, for they do not know what they are doing.” And the same one took a hunter and hit these people hard when they were making money in the name of God! We never see the balancing factor in life. That’s typical of human beings! If they go on to one side they’ll go on to one side. If they go on to another, either they become Hitlers or they’ll become some sort of, I don’t know what to call them, some sort of people who are, who have no backbone, nothing - cabbages. You are human beings and a human being has to be in the centre. And this is what, always, I try to tell you that, when I talk about subconscious, I want you to have the balancing thing. And this comes to you through wisdom of Sahaja Yoga. Because when you get your realisation you get the vibrations flowing in the hand and you can find out when you lose your vibrations, because that’s the time you are losing your balance. This cool breeze that’s flowing through you is manifesting the Holy Ghost within you, this is the Brahmashakti, and that suggests, “Oh, you are going into imbalance.” But Sahaja yogis, specially in England, are very intelligent people. Specially in London they are even extra-intelligent. They make a politics out of Sahaja Yoga also. “It’s nice to be in politics.” So that they claim, “Oh, we are communists. We are this. We are that.” They say, “Alright, we are Sahaja yogis and we have to fight all such forces which are against us, against our Self-realisation, against our emancipation.” But we carry on with all these weaknesses. We go on living with them. We do not work out simple methods of Sahaja Yoga to get rid of them. We are quite satisfied with ourselves as we are. We do not grow, because we have an ego which says, “Oh, you are alright. Oh, Mataji was very kind to you. She smiled at you.” God knows what it meant! Or “the vibrations are alright. Yes, yes, perfect. I am very good. I am nothing. I am not doing anything wrong.” That is how they live. Either one has to change or one has to spare God forever! You cannot stand on two stools. It has been My experience now because I worked in London itself for so many years that even now the Sahaja yogis of London every time require a reminder that you have to cleanse yourself, keep your mind clean, your heart clean. Because Mataji, perhaps, is a good speaker you just come here, listen to Her and forget about it. It’s not going to help! My lectures are just useless, absolutely useless, if you cannot rise up to the point where you feel you are really clean. You all have to work it out. Do not justify it. For human beings it is important to know that, after realisation, you are attacked, much more than you are attacked before, temptations are much more. The Satan himself came to tempt Christ, because he knew that Christ was so powerful. In the same way, when you are saints the temptations come to you. If you yield to them, then it can be very dangerous. We have to know that, as we are delicate, we have to be careful. But as we have the power to overgrow these things as Sahaja yogis we have to take arms into our hands and fight ourselves out. We have to create such Sahaja yogis in London that they themselves become the advertisement. As today we were discussing what to do about Sahaja Yoga, how to advertise, how to do this - nothing works out. What works out really is a pure Sahaja yogi, a good Sahaja yogi: [the] example is of one Mr. Dhumal (from Rahuri). He went to the Commissioner’s Office in Pune and while dealing with the thing – maybe Indians are more sensitive to saints – they recognised that he was a saint and they said, “Sir, will you please tell us who is your Guru?” He said that, “I have a Mother.” And all that office of that commissioner is today Sahaja yogis. One person just changed the whole thing, transformed it. When we think of organising things for Sahaja Yoga and all that, we must know: are we ourselves organised to that extent? Alright, Mother works very hard, She cleanses you, She works for three, four hours. She’ll cleanse your subconscious, She’ll do this. But how are you yourself? What is your own picture about you, yourself? And this is important, very important for all of us. It’s a very important time we are in. There are so many seekers who are getting just drowned. For no fault of theirs they can be lost. Every Sahaja yogi has a duty towards his Spirit and towards God Almighty that he must try his level best to keep himself beautifully shining and shining others with joy, happiness and bliss. May God bless you all. We have to make one thing very clear to all the people, new people who come to Sahaja Yoga. Supposing somebody has a background of a terrible black magic training and all that, or somebody is a teacher, say, of say TM or a teacher, or a gururaj business or sort of a person. You see, if you have all this kind of background you have to be extra careful about yourself! You have to be extra careful because after realisations of people, even here in the hall, they are terrified within yourself and they would like to run away. But when you are alone they will try to tempt you, in the beginning. So, after realisation, you have to establish yourself with very great care. Otherwise, you can be lost, you can be in trouble. And then don’t blame Sahaja Yoga for that. Whatever is Sahaja Yoga, it is. You cannot mould it. It is the way it is. Whatever background you have, your subconscious, wherever have you been, you please remember that, that you have to be very careful. At least for a month, you must be very, very careful and see to it that you do not expose yourself to these old environments. I would suggest that you better keep more to yourself at least for seven to ten days. Do not go out too much. Keep to yourself. You are precious things for God. He looks after you, no doubt. But as you have been through so many horrible things it’s possible that you might be attacked. And then don’t blame Sahaja Yoga for that. That can happen, has happened to so many people I know of. So be careful, after getting realisation. Like the seedling, when it is sprouted, how we are careful with the seedling for some time, till it becomes a tree. We not so careful with the seed. We are not! but with the seedling, it’s so delicate. That’s how you m ust look after your realisation. That’s how you must work it out. Can I have questions from you? (Shri Mataji’s small granddaughter has a question - a complaint about another child!) So this is a question coming! Now, is there any question? Little loudly. Say it a little loudly for Me. Sahaja yogi: Shri Mataji: Gavin, you come here and just tell Me. I’m just….Today My ears are blown inside out, you see. I’ve been working on someone which has really killed me in action! Just ask, what he’s saying. Now, just whatever he says, repeat it. Ha. Just ask the question please. Ha. Seeker: Your Holiness, you spoke of being attacked, and picking things up from others. May I ask if one should try to avoid that or whether one should just accept it? Shri Mataji: Alright. Sit. Good question. He says if you are attacked whether one should avoid it or one should accept it. It’s a very simple answer. Now, any Sahaja yogi who can answer it? Let’s see. Now, testing point! (nobody offers an answer) Ah, such simple things I tell you! What happens to the intellectuals? (laughing) Come along! No answer? Haa… Sahaja yogi: Just stay in thoughtless awareness. Shri Mataji: That’s true, but you know, this question is very, very straight. If you are attacked should you run away from that or should you face it? Sahaja Yogi: Face it. Endeavour to face it. Shri Mataji: No, no, not necessarily. It’s very simple, I tell you. It’s very simple. It’s this: that if you can face it, face it. Otherwise, you run away! (laughter) There’s no need to face. Forget it! You are not responsible for all these mad people! No. With the speed of the five hundred miles per hour if it is coming to you. It’s very simple. Again the wisdom. Do you see the balancing part? You need not. If I say, “face,” it doesn’t mean [for] anybody coming you face. Measure it up. Alright? If you can, manage it otherwise, take the other course, makes no difference. In Sahaja Yoga you are not branded as anything like a man with a sword. You are a man with a sword and also a shield. If it comes to the shield, alright, have the shield on. And you can place the shield into his hand and run away, it’s alright. We must learn; this is known as Krishnanithi. About this I will tell you a very simple example of Krishna’s style. He’s called as Ranchordas, the one who ran away from the fields [of battle]. Imagine, Krishna’s name is Ranchordas! The one who ran away from the fields. You know, it’s such a shameful thing to run away. There was a horrible devil who was given certain boons by Brahmadeva, and he could not be killed by normal methods, and Krishna knew that He won’t be able to kill him with His Sudarshan chakra. He didn’t want His Sudarshan chakra to be spoiled, the thing, the discus [that] He used. So He knew about a big sage who was meditating in his sleep, in a cave, very near that battlefield. And this sage had a boon that, “As soon as you will open your eyes from this meditation, the first person you will see will become into ashes.” So Krishna started running away from the [battle]field. People said, “Oh, look at Him! Like a coward He’s running.” But this devil would not give in, he started running after Him and Krishna ran very fast you see, played all the tricks, illusions, and He ran. And He was covering Himself with a shawl, like this. And this sage was sleeping there. He went and very delicately He put His shawl on top of that sage, and he was still fast asleep. When this fellow followed Him into the cave, Krishna had hidden Himself. He went into the cave, you see. And he thought this was Krishna who was sleeping there. He started saying, “Hey, you Krishna, now You are sleeping here, You are tired, You’ve ran out of the field, but I am going to kill You.” And as soon as he said that, this fellow got up and looked at him and the fellow became into ashes! (laughter) It is tomfoolery to fight someone who is going to trouble us. Why should we? But if you can face up to someone you should. Then you become so very strong, like me I should say, that you don’t run away. But sometimes I also run away, I must tell you! As I get fed up sometimes, the way things are. Not from demonic forces so much as from some of the Sahaja yogis. I see to it that they don’t see me anymore because they never improve. They always become tools, instruments in the hands of Satanic forces and bring horrible things to me. Then I don’t want to have mosquitoes around, isn’t it? Then you want to put a mosquito net around you, in the same way. You don’t ask mosquitoes, “You come and bite and I’ll bite you.” So it could be on any level. We have to judge with our wisdom. One must know that Sahaja yogis are the most important thing in the whole creation today. One should not become egoistical, of course - I must give the balance - but they are, no doubt. So we should know how to preserve ourselves and preserve for what? Not for pickling out yourself but for fighting. But first, preservation is important. If you are not there, what are you fighting with? So it’s question of wisdom. It’s very simple. Sahaja Yoga is so simple, no complication. Like this, you judge everything. I mean, these norms of human acceptance is like, you see, you are a big hero, even if you cut your nose. That’s not in Sahaja Yoga. You are not going to cut your nose, but you’ll be a hero - that’s how. I would not like any one of my children to be hurt even this much. And there are so many ways of avoiding it. Now, any other question? This lady is there. For her I have to tell her one thing, that you must understand what you have to have as a seeker. That’s very important. Otherwise one would never see who is alright, who is not alright. Like TM, [the] less said the better! People may say, “What’s wrong?” What’s good? First of all, let’s go on to that point. The minimum of minimum: what’s good it has done? It has polished off your money? Are you flying? Anyone of you are flying? Face it! Everybody has become a poor person, has got epilepsy. So many of them have got epilepsy. Are you cured of your troubles? Are you physically helped? No, so it’s nothing good. Why should you pay? Only good it has got is one, that it takes money from you. You see, makes you little lighter if you have too much. No? No income tax problem, bank problem. It’s already gone! If that is the thing you want to have, then it’s alright. Then go ahead of it. Has your life been helped? In any other way? Are you a recluse? Or are you a person who can articulate with others, very normal? The highest of highest, one should know that you are the Spirit. Are you manifesting your Spirit anywhere? Are collectively conscious? Are you actually collectively conscious or just it’s a make-belief? Are you that awareness which is described? Just face it. Sahaja Yoga is just the other way around, you know. You cannot please it by giving money to it - no! It doesn’t consider anything about that. Also it cannot bother about how many efforts you have put in, how many times you have been and all that - no! it doesn’t bother about this thing. On the contrary, if you are still attached to all such things it just recedes, it recedes. It’s recession, all the time. It’s very difficult. I go on pushing it [but] it recedes, you see. Either you have to change your attitude or it has to change. But it does not because it is eternal thing. It does not change, it is changeless. So you better change your attitude and accept it. Otherwise the Spirit is changeless. It recedes back. It recedes to such an extent that one may get a heart attack and die, because of its recession. So you have to really come with an attitude of reception otherwise it recedes. Sahaja Yoga is such a beautiful thing but its qualities are not changeable. There’s no compromise, no compromise. It does not compromise. It stands in its own authority, in its own glory, in its own nature. It doesn’t change. You can pay any amount of money or need not pay, you may put in effort, nothing, you bring to any colour, creed, anything, makes no difference to Sahaja Yoga - nothing! It’s the acceptance. It’s the readily acceptance of your Spirit and not of your ego. While in other places they might pamper your ego, they might give you a mesmerism, hurting your superego. Here it is your Spirit, absolutely your Spirit which you have to achieve, to which you have to surrender to, to recognise that you are the Spirit. Alright? No flying, no jumping, nothing. It’s the Spirit, the manifestation of the Spirit. It’s as simple as that. One has to have a humble attitude towards it otherwise the Spirit doesn’t come. One has to be humble. It’s a grace, it’s a gift. It’s a gift of God. It’s your own, I agree, it’s your own, but it’s a gift. And for that we have to accept it with a humble heart otherwise it doesn’t work out. It won’t work out, my child. It won’t work out. I am your Mother, alright, but Sahaja Yoga is not. Mother means many things. Sahaja Yoga is not, it judges you very much. I do not, but it does. So be careful. Mother is much larger than Sahaja Yoga. And so She forgives and She knows and She tells you and She says, “No, no, no, no. It’s alright.” But I must warn you that Sahaja Yoga recedes. That’s why we have few Sahaja yogis. You have to accept it, for your own good, with understanding. Seeker: As one grows, one becomes more connected, and more connected with other people and one wonders what happens in this cleansing process when one may lose a desire or one becomes cleansed in some way. Shri Mataji: Desire for? Seeker: No, but one wonders what happens to the desires that one loses, and whether the people one is connected with, have to bear that burden. Could You say anything about… Shri Mataji: Have to bear what? Seeker: Any burden that it’s shed from us in the cleansing process. Shri Mataji: Alright. Please be seated. You see, now if you, say, are a person who is a married man. Say, [for] example I am saying. You do not give up your marriage in Sahaja Yoga. On the contrary, you become a tougher person to bear it up if there’s a problem. You become a sweeter person to enjoy it. And you become a master how to solve the problems of married life. So actually what happens is that the situations that are created or the things that looks so impossible, start [to] become absolutely like a myth to you and you know how to solve them. So you do not have to secede from people but gradually you will start changing your priorities. You will start yourself automatically because you won’t enjoy their company but you will have another company, the company of people with whom you should be identified. They are your type, your style, who think for the betterment of one’s own Spirit and the Spirit of this Universe - such people. Now all such people have to gather together, when they start clinging together, all of them. Alright? Maybe in the beginning you might find some of them may not join you. They may think, “Oh, he’s gone. He’s finished. He’s no good.” But we are normal people, we live like normal people. There’s no dress, special dress, nothing. I mean you just behave like absolutely normal people. You do not sever your relations with anyone. There’s no need to sever. With whom to sever relations if you are not connected with anyone? It’s a question of inner detachment. Only thing [that happens], you get concerned about people that they are not in Sahaja Yoga. Also you get concerned about people who try to go against God. And when you realise what is the truth, with your family, with everyone. Now we have in Sahaja Yoga one person comes in, the family comes in. Now, Ray (Harris) is here, his parents are now Sahaja yogis in Sheffield. And I’m going to see them there, I’ll be very happy to meet them. So many people who gave up their parents, Kay is here, or so many like that have gone back to their parents. So it’s a different thing altogether. It’s a living process of the manifestation of Divine Love. The whole thing changes. But one thing is sure: you cannot force Sahaja Yoga on anyone. My own daughters are not yet realised souls. What can I do? It’s alright. When the time will come they will get it. I have never forced that on them. They may not be even knowing what is Kundalini perhaps, maybe. So my daughters, how many daughters I must have had and I have, how many wives you must have had in previous lives and how many husbands? God alone knows. So why worry? That way you are so lonely, isn’t it? Only in collective consciousness you have common feeling, commonness. “Who are my brothers and who are my sisters?” asked Christ. Just have a very balanced attitude, neither of joy nor of, I mean, expression of some sort of a thing like that, or of any unhappiness. Just be watching, just be watching. Mmmm, getting in? It’s very subtle. It’s very subtle. But when it happens you start feeling it very much. Put your hands straight, straight like this.

7/3/1981

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The Search for Truth

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Public Program. Cambridge (UK), 3 July 1981. All the seekers of truth, I am very much thankful to you for giving Me this opportunity to meet you all over here .You are here because you are seeking and the seeking is so innately expressing itself that you cannot get over this feeling of seeking even if you want to. But perhaps I do not know if you know what you are seeking; why you are not happy; what is the expectation you have about your seeking. All of you must have had some background of seeking. Because seekers are a special category; every person on the street is not a seeker. Every person we come across is not a seeker. It's a special category. I have seen there are seekers who are real seekers and there are also fake as we have in everything, because it's a fashion to seek, because nice to talk of seeking. In everything I can understand the fakeness but in seeking I cannot, because you are the gainer, you are the one who has to gain. So you should not fake it. Better try to awaken your sincerity and to get that which is real because human beings have reached such a stage of evolution that they cannot exist any more now, unless and until they find out the truth about themselves, unless and until they face the reality, unless and until they know why are they here for; they cannot go on like this, is an impossibility. All the shocks and all the horrible ideas people are giving you about the destruction of human race is because of this void that they feel, this distance they feel from reality. They feel that, "We haven't yet seen anything that is real. Everything we venture into, any enterprise, any movement towards progress, ends up into a nonsense." And the whole absurdity of this kind of a progress, when it comes face to face, you start feeling, "Now where are we? Are we on the right lines? Where are we moving?" This seeking that has come to you is of course the outcome of this confusion, no doubt, that you can see intelligently, this confusion around you. One of the things is that with your rationality or with your logic I should say - rationality's rather... can be very funny. With your logic you must have reached a point where you see this confusion, and you must be wanting to find out after all what is the solution? You work very hard, create an atom bomb, then it becomes like a devil on your head, you cannot go further with it. Any such movement of human beings towards understanding the meaning of their existence leads into a chaos. Then it is definite that we are in a cocoon and whatever we do it comes back to us. There must be way out, there must be a method by which we get out of it and see for ourselves, "What are we here for?" You cannot solve this problem through your intelligence or through your rationality, because human mind is limited and the limited mind cannot go to something that is unlimited. Like when I came to this hall, I had to leave my car behind. But it's very difficult to understand that with rationality you cannot reach some place and you reach that place spontaneously. But we can derive at that conclusion, by seeing that we evolved spontaneously, we evolved automatically .We did not think about it. Say, from animal stage to this stage we have come; from amoeba stage to this stage we have come, without doing anything about it. Spontaneously it has happened. People, perhaps do not understand the word "spontaneous." Spontaneous means it's a happening through some living force and the living force acts on its own. It drives you up to a point, like a flower becomes a fruit. Now the flower cannot do anything about becoming a fruit. In the same way we cannot do anything about our evolution we should accept most humbly, because we have done nothing so far to become human beings. We have taken for granted our human life. But how we got it, we do not know. We did not pay any money for it. That way anything very vital to life you get it spontaneously. Like our breathing, nobody taught us breathing. We did not have to join Cambridge University to learn our breathing, did we? It comes so spontaneously as soon as we are born we start breathing. All that is vital for the progress of life comes to us spontaneously. So if evolution is the most vital climax of our existence then it has to come to us spontaneously, we cannot do anything about it. So first of all let us relax. It's going to work spontaneously, so why put our self up into a tension? Now, we have to see like a scientist with a very open mind, that we are not yet aware of ourselves. We do not know what are we. We know we are human beings, but are we really human beings alone? Or are we something more than that? And if we are, are we aware of that. Now we are moving only logically at this stage. Once we accept that still we are not that reality by which we can know every dimension of ourselves. If there is light we should be able to see everything in this room, isn't it? If we have light within ourselves we should be able to see ourselves within and without .The confusion is there because this light is not yet enlightened. But now think that, you are made a human being, but why? Why? What was the need? Why so much trouble was taken by nature to make a human being? No scientist goes into the "whys," you see. They'll say, "It is so." It's a scientific way of looking at things. Now they say, "It's [UNCLEAR]parketted? All right, it is [UNCLEAR] parketted. They write down "This is [UNCLEAR] parketted." Finished. Whatever they see and know they write it down, "This is so." But they cannot say why? Why there is gravity in the Mother Earth? They cannot say that. But let us ask this question, "why." Why are we human beings? This is the beginning of your seeking. Now when I put forward some sort of a hypothesis for you, some sort of a idea or a theory before you, you need not get disturbed by it. Keep yourself open and see for yourself if it works or not. But for this we really need people who are ardent seekers. Like we come into any university, I would say we keep ourselves open we just don't go and challenge every knowledge to begin with. But we try to find out for ourselves whether, whatever is said is true or not. In the same way we should keep ourselves very open about this method of the nature, which is spontaneous, and the Power that is placed within us, which is called as Kundalini - this is the name given by human beings; God has not given names to anything - that resides within us in the triangular bone. Now it is too fantastic to believe those, "We have never heard about it." But even in the Bible it's said that, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames." Can they explain what are these "tongues of flames" are? As it is, they gave no chance for Christ to speak much and there were not any university students to understand about Kundalini, about this beautiful instrument that God has placed within us; they were ordinary fisherman. So whatever they saw, according to their own understanding they have put it down. If they could have understood Christ, they would never have crucified Him. But they never understood Him and didn't want to understand Him. In the same way it should not happen today. We should try to understand. It's very important, imminent and crucial .If this point is missed, big danger I can see, for a complete disaster .We are already seeing the signs of that destruction taking place within ourselves. I'm sure somebody must have told you about this chart, the Kundalini and the way it rises. Before doubting about its existence, I would request you to know that nature has taken all beautiful care to create you. And all these centers are placed within you, they exist. When the Kundalini rises, in so many people who have obstructions, you can see the pulsation in your triangular bone. In some people we have seen very violent movement. You can seen the rising of the Kundalini also, you can see the breaking of the Kundalini here, the real baptism that John Baptist talked about .You can feel the "Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost" emitting of your head, which is not possible. All kinds of things are floating now in the market. Of course Sahaj Yoga is not in the market. This you must have known, because you cannot pay for Sahaj Yoga. It's an insult even to think of money. This is your own right, you are made for it. Just like this instrument is made, you are made, specially, and you are to be put to the mains. Now for an intellectual mind, the question comes in, the first, "Why You? Why Me?" Is very common. I said "Please have it My seat sir. A good idea." 'Cause I have to work twenty-four hours. I mean I am very happily married and quite all right. I have no problems of My own. But if you could do My work, I'll be very happy to retire. You are a professor, for example, that you are, one has to accept. In the same way if I am doing something then one should not feel so hurt about it. Gradually you will know that you can also do the same thing. As I am enlightened you will get enlightenment and you can do the same thing yourself. If one candle is enlightened first, do other candles object to that? Will they object to that sort of a thing? In the same way we should not have reservations in our mind. People have been very intelligent and have been asking Me such stupid questions, that I didn't know how their intelligence is going so blunt in My presence. Like, they will say that, "...then why You are an Indian?" Or say, "Why are You wearing a white sari?" It has nothing to do with all these outside things. It is something innate, inside you. It is eternal, it is not destructive. It resides in your heart, which is just to be brought into your conscious mind. You have to be just conscious of it, that's all. I can see that in you and you will start seeing too. It's your own. Only thing is that there has to be actualization, not a lecture or a brainwashing or some sort of a circus, but an actual thing that should happen within you, is the awakening of the Kundalini. This is very important, if you understand a simple thing, that if you are paying attention to Me, something falls down, something happens, your attention goes there. But if I say take your attention inside, you cannot. How can you push your attention inside, you cannot. So some happening has to take place, and this Kundalini rises. Now what is this Kundalini? Again I say it's an hypothesis for you so far. Kundalini is the power of desire within us, which is not yet manifested, which is not yet awakened. That's why It creates the whole aura of a man, It creates the complete human form, complete human personality and still it has not yet manifested itself. It is still lying in a dormant state because It is still residual, It has not expressed Itself. When It is awakened, that desire is completed, then only this power of desire has manifested. Now within us there is a power of desire on the left hand side, as shown here. [I'm sorry I'm standing before this, but they must have told you. Can you put it there. Let us please show them now.] The left side, power of desire, is this one which we know as psyche, which Freud has described as psyche. But I must say Freud knew half the truth, not the full. He only knew about psyche. He didn't know about the other power that existed within us, is the second power, is the power of action. Perhaps Sartre knew about it, but he didn't know about psyche. So when you say that "What's wrong?" When you say, "There should be no conditioning. We should not accept any conditioning." What you are doing is you are developing the other side. The first side of conditioning gives you a super ego and the other side, on the right hand side, gives you the ego. Both grow and form a calcified closure here in the head, in the fontanel bone area and that's how you develop your own personality: This gentleman is different; you are different; you are different. And this "I-ness" develops because you are cut off. Just like an egg we can say. Now the egg starts developing itself. Till it reaches a certain maturity and just a piercing of the top of the head, knocking off the ready egg, you get the bird coming out. The bird has nothing to do, I mean it is nowhere near the egg it's a very different thing and that is your second birth, that is how you are born again; this has to happen to you. This happens only by Kundalini awakening, by nothing other- suggestions people give: by... say... they say you can stand on your head, Kundalini doesn't rise. Some people will say, "You pay so much money, come for a course." It won't rise. It's like a primule in a seed that has to sprout. Now what do you do to sprout a seed, do you stand on your heads? Just you have to put to the Mother earth; with Her warmth it comes out by itself. In the same way this Kundalini rises. We have to understand that you cannot pay for it. If you pay some money will the seed sprout? Or to the egg, will it become, will it become the bird? Nature's principles are so simple, so logical, so sensible that you don't have to read much to understand it. Actually with reading too much also we got complicated. Everybody else is in our head, we are nowhere, we are lost. And the complexities of life become even worse when we start sorting out through this. The nature takes its own course and this Kundalini happening has to be today en masse. Thousands of people have to get Realization. That's why you are so many born on this earth as seekers because you know the time has come that you should get your Realization because you were seekers in many lives. And this life is to be bestowed with that blessing which you have been asking for. This has to happen. If you do not accept, makes no difference to your Spirit. Because it is satisfied by itself; it is not bothered as to how you want to have it. But it is you who should be bothered about it. You have to get it into your attention. Just like a light is there, it is not bothered whether you put it off or put on. It has nothing to do with your liking it or not liking it, it is there. But if you desire, if you really want it, there is a mechanism within us placed in this way that we have all together seven centers, the main seven centers which demarcate our evolutionary stages. For example the lowest one, which is called as Mooladhara Chakra is the center of Mooladhara. It manifests in the - this is the subtle center - manifests in the gross our pelvic plexus. This is the center of our innocence. This innocence was created first of all, before the universe was created and this exists with in us - of course we might have lost it, that's a different point, but that is the first thing that was created within us also, is our innocence. Now if you have to talk to a doctor he won't understand that "What is this innocence." But you know there is something like innocence in you. This first center is a very important center in Sahaj Yoga. Because, the deity of innocence expresses itself, manifests itself later on, at this point where you see the red mark in the center of the brain, where the optic chiasma is, where the pituitary and pineal are placed on both the sides, a very subtle center is there called as Agnya. You can see it crossing there. And this one, the deity incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ, our Lord, Jesus Christ. Now, no one knows about His incarnations, I think. They only understand what He said about Himself that "I have a Father," and that "I am the only Son." Beyond that, people do not know what was the purpose of Christ' coming, what was the meaning of crucifixion? I think. We say that He came on this earth to forgive us our sins, you see, He takes up our sins. But how does it happen? How does it happen within us that He forgives our sins? It's only possible when He is awakened. He's still asleep within us. Then how can He forgive our sins? He is to be awakened first of all. If somebody can awaken Jesus within you, all these theories of karmas and all those things will be nothing but useless, old fashioned, old-dated things which has no meaning. But nobody understood this great importance of Christ' life. I mean people came to India. There was no proper rapport between the people of England; say for example they came down to India, as far as Christ was concerned. I wish they could tell them about Christ that He was the one who has come on this earth to take all our sins and to take all our karmas. Instead of that, the kind of Christianity they spread in India could not create any rapport between the people who were seers, who were sages, to get this great message of Christ' coming. Of course they respect Him very much, but still they do not know, they do not know. That's all right, but the people who are supposed to be following Him, also do not know that He is to be awakened within us. Now, we know through Sahaj Yoga that He's the one who was called as Mahavishnu in the old ancient books of India. He's described so well how He will come, how He will be born; what will be His position; what is His relation with other deities like Shri Krishna and all that. It's so clear-cut. And why His name was Jesus. And why His name was Christ and everything can be clearly understood if there were some sages from this country had gone or from any country who knew Christ and had given the message to the sages in India; only the sages can talk to each other and not these people, like one pundit from India and one pastor from here; both of them are ignorant. They do not know. Christ has said that, "You do not know; you are blind. I am talking to blind people." Now what does that mean? That means you are not yet awakened, that you have to be born again, that there has to be a happening - in every religion. Moses has said that. Mohammed Sahib has said that. He said "You have to become a pir, without becoming a pir you'll not understand Me." All His namaz is nothing but Kundalini awakening. But will the Muslims accept this? If you want to understand fanaticism, if there is fanaticism within us or not. I was talking to a Muslim and I said, "You better go to Jews and ask them what they have to say about Muslims." That's the best way one can understand. I mean, fanatically they will prove that the other person is wrong. So is better to go and see them and know that what they think about us. Fanaticism is such a blind stuff that it can never give you any idea as to what is reality. Because whatever you believe into, you build up your own ideas and everything onto it and it's like a fake palace built on a fake idea.And then you go on fighting. If God is one, if His love is one, then how can people who believe in God fight? I mean I- to My reasoning it does not. You cannot fight. If He is the primordial being, if you are the part and parcel of that, will this hand fight with this hand? Who is the other? But this should happen to us. When it happens then you jump into collective consciousness. You become, again I say it's actualization, it is not just telling, "We are all brothers and sisters, let us form a UN system." And it's only used for filling up some posts, that's all. Actually it happens, that you start feeling others on your fingers, their centers on your fingers, it happens; your awareness gets that. It's not that one has to say, "Oh, I think I'm very happy, he is a nice man." What is the meaning, it's very vague. Maybe his eyes are like your mother's eyes, maybe, that's why you like him. Can be very superficial reason for which you like a person. But innately, what is his nature is to be found out and how will you find out? There's no way, but to make your awareness, your instrument of awareness much sharper, much deeper, much subtler, and it just happens. When it happens you jump into another dimension of collective consciousness. Again I'll say you jump into it. It is an actualization. It is not a mental process by which you decide. You judge people on what? On their clothes? On their races? On their nationalities? On their education? On their labor? That's all superficial. You have to judge them on their centers, how the centers are. When the Kundalini rises, actually She's such a blissful thing, She is your mother. Everyone has an individual mother, every one of you. And when she rises, She blesses you so much that you get your physical being corrected. We have, we have cured cancer with this. Cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Sahaj Yog. I've been saying this for 10 years, but the doctors come to Me, get cured, they tell others, they say, "Oh, we can't believe it." People don't want to believe into it. But cancer can only be cured through Sahaj Yog, there's no other way out. And if you can come to some other lectures of Mine, you will know that cancer is caused by over activity of these two powers which manifest your sympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system, the over activity of the sympathetic nervous system due to any emergency whatsoever. You put a metal in the body, you'll get it. Any emergency that arises because of the over activity of the sympathetic nervous system, which... which actually attacks the emergency, you develop cancer. And it can only be cured really by Sahaj Yog. There are so many diseases like diabetes, heart, innumerable innumerable, they can be cured by Sahaj Yog, physically. Paralysis- I mean I don't know, so many varieties, except for where, I mean some dead things have been put inside or then you cannot. Because your physical being achieves that stage in which it is bathed all the time in the vital forces. This Kundalini opens you to the divine love of God, which is all pervading and this divine love is the energy of God which has all the energies of the world: Electromagnetic energies, all the energies that have created the elements, the emotional energy, the mental energies, of all the things is the spiritual energy. So mentally also you get all right. Now we have had people who were addicts, absolutely gone cases. They just got rid of their addiction, because if you somehow or other discover yourself, your reality, you just become a different person. You become so relaxed; you are not bored anymore; you enjoy yourself so much, because you are beautiful, the beauty resides within you. And that beauty when you discover, you find, "Oh God, I've been so superficial in my life. This beauty is there hidden within me." And you just give up automatically. I never tell people, "Don't do this, don't do that." No don'ts in Sahaj Yoga. You just come, get your Realization you may become mentally so, so relaxed that all these problems drop out. There's nothing fantastic for Me, but maybe for you it is too much to believe. But it is better to see for yourself how it works, how it has worked out and how it can work out with you. You yourself can work it out, it will become your own knowledge, your own property, your own maneuvering, and you will be able to handle it. In this short time, it's not difficult to say broad lines of Sahaj Yoga, but to talk in details is going to be very difficult. Now I don't know how many lectures I must have given; only in Caxton hall must be at least three hundred or four hundred lectures and otherwise I don't know how many. So, this is just a broad line idea about Sahaj Yoga. This must give you assurance in life first of all, that if somebody is saying so, lets try, worth trying. But it's very amazing, last time we had about hundred-and-fifty people in Cambridge and I think only one person stuck on to Sahaj Yoga. Everybody felt the vibrations no doubt, everybody felt the cool breeze. But what happened with them is that when they went out they started thinking about it, they lost it. It is like sprouting of the seed as I said, that the small gentle seeds, seedlings are to be looked after. When it sprouts, if you just throw them, they can be destroyed. So, one has to be careful for at least a month to preserve this sprouting. Once you have managed this one month then I am sure it will settle down. You don't require anything much to be done; few methods of cleansing yourself, sustaining yourself and keeping yourself afloat. If you could dedicate only a month to yourself you will definitely come up, no doubt and people have done it I mean in places like Brighton now I would say in France it has worked out, but Cambridge has been little disappointing. I hope this time you people will take it up little seriously. Because it's the most important thing that you have to have and this is the most vital thing. If you do not get it and if you are not there, only thing I have to tell you that the last judgment has started and you are going to be judged by your Kundalini. You yourself you are going to judge your Kundalini and you are going to judge your own chakras; there's a big rope given and you yourself will know that "This is my defect and this is my defect," and you will also know the defects of others in the words of Sahaj Yoga. For example, while coming here only, one gentleman said, "I have got an Agnya." This means ego. But he said it to Me; for him it does not matter because it's paining a little bit there. Apart from that, that the ego is paining, that he is away from ego, he can see his ego he doesn't want to have it. So he said, "Mother, my ego- my Agnya is catching," not ego, he says Agnya. But that's how you cleanse yourself. If you have to even repair your car, you have to get out of it. In the same way you get out of this shell and then you correct yourself. I don't know what to say further but I would request you to ask me some questions, that would be a better idea to explain certain things to you and then we'll have our Realization. But please note that question answering is not going to give you Realization, it's a happening. The other day I had a lady from a newspaper, she's a very well known writer this that, and I found her to be a very difficult person to give Realization and she said, "Am I a hopeless case?" I asked her, "What's the matter with you?" She says, "I don't know, I, I am... I, I, I am a gone case." And she writes so well she's a very well known successful woman. Of course she got her Realization, but it took so much time for her to get her Realization. While some of you might get it just like that and lose it also just like that, so one has to understand the value of it. I do not know at what pace it is retained, but once you have achieved it, you have to pay attention to it. It is your own, it's your own property, that's the only thing you really possess. The other possessions are just myths. That's the only thing you carry with you; that's the only thing that is going to adore you an to give you that joy of belonging and happiness - belonging to the whole, to the primordial being, not to a small self, selfish, self centered mind, but to the Self, which is the part and parcel of the whole. That you are already, but you are not aware of it. What Sahaj Yoga does is that it brings into your consciousness the manifestation of the spirit which you can do consciously, means through your central nervous system you can feel it. When the Kundalini pierces through, you can feel the Cool Breeze flowing from your hand, "The Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost," as they say. I wish you could ask me some questions and that's how I can explain certain things which might be hovering in your mind .May God bless you all. Thank you. Seeker: What is the meaning of nirvana, which is the essential point of Buddhist thought. Is it a kind of more a Buddhist mortal- I mean Indian [MORTALITY/MODALITY], as a Mohammed Iqbal, one of the Muslims... Shri Mataji: Just come here, I just can't follow you. Come here, please. Yes. Again. Seeker: ... ask you about a meaning of nirvana, which is the essential point in the Buddhist thought and because we could not find it in books in the Iraq saints and you know, as you know the, Mohammad Iqbal, one of the Muslims...a philosopher - Shri Mataji: Of course! Mohammad plays a big part in Sahaj Yoga I mean, for us He's absolutely the primordial master. For us He's so great. I mean, for us He's not just a Muslim or anything, He- for us He is a universal being. For us He's very great, you see? So Mohammad is - where is Mohammad in you, just tell Me? Where is He? Where does He exist? You do not know. Where is Christ? No, that's the problem. You must know where is Mohammad, which part of ours that Mohammad has enshrined, which part of ours He has enlightened. Is very necessary for you young people to know it. Now see what's happening. Look at these Jews, look at these Christians, look at these Muslims and look at these Hindus. What are they doing about God? They are butchering Him every moment don't you think so? We have to understand all these great people in their right sense through Sahaj Yoga. How? Because once you get these vibrations in your hand now, see here like this, then you can ask a question about Mohammad Sahib. Ask a question, "Was Mohammad Sahib was born on this earth as the primordial master?" Ask the question and immediately you'll start getting Cool Breeze, tremendous Cool Breeze. Yes He was. A person, you will be surprised, a person who worships, say, Guru Nanak and denounces Mohammad sahib, if he gets a cancer, he will definitely get, if you denounce anybody you will get cancer. Then I have to ask that person that "You have to worship Mohammad Sahib in the same way. If you do not I cannot cure your cancer." Christ has said very clearly, "Those who are not against Me, are with Me." Mohammed Sahib has clearly said that He was any, He- END OF SIDEA [missing audio in changeover between sides.] SIDE B Begins Any other questions please. Please ask Me questions because when I go away they will just come out and bother you. (Can you come forward please, [FV side 2 starts here:] [unclear remark from a man.] Shri Mataji: Yes please. Man: You mentioned the path Mohammed and Christ and Buddha and so forth, is the lineage of prophets [UNCLEAR: write in stone], but most of these religions are expecting Shri Mataji: Just... just come here. You see, English is not My mother tongue so, you see, any- Man: Well you've mentioned lineage of religions, of Buddha and Mohammed, 'cause Janak was not in the other [lineage?] ...and quite rightly so involved as a very strong competition to [myth?]. But in the case of Christianity, which of course obviously You speak with great fervor, there is the second coming, a spiritual second coming of course, involved. How do You think what you're teaching will fit into that ultimate conception, when that absolute reality- Shri Mataji: Not immaculate conce- Absolutely. Absolute reality, no doubt, absolute. Man: I mean what contribution have You got to make- Shri Mataji: -For that... Man: ...to that when it comes along. How does what You teach fit in? Shri Mataji: I will tell you, please be seated. Now say, one simple thing that when Christ come before you how will you recognize? Will you recognize Him? You cannot. Any second coming comes. Actually when He comes He's not going to talk to anyone. He's just coming with the lashing thing in His hand. He's just going to sort out, all right? How will you recognize Him? The first contribution will be that you will recognize Him through vibrations. Second contribution, about Me also there is already mentioned: I have to give you the counsel. And other things also there; I do not want to say something that will really make you unhappy or maybe some of you may be shocked, but lots of things are written about Me also in the Bible. But the people were so gross, so very gross, that Christ could not say many things which He could have said openly, but He did say in a way. The whole Bible is like that, especially Christ's life. There's a book about Me, "Advent." Please go through that. in that there is a mention. But unless and until you are realized you can't get the book, see it's a secret. I do not want to get crucified this time again, all right? But He is going to come, no doubt, no doubt. But before He comes, better get to the Kingdom of God. Only Mother can do this work, isn't it? That's important, to know that Christ is there. How will you know? Man: Am I right in thinking, if I may just finalize what I have in mind, that Mohammed of course, looked upon Christ as the major Prophet and Islamic religion looks forward to the time when Christ returns to spread Islam throughout the world as the universal religion. But the definition of Islam is the total dedication, devotion to God, surren- total surrender to God. And do You still look upon Christianity as the - even though it's malpracticed, obviously - do You still look upon Christ as being the major prophet of the lineage, indeed the final prophet. Shri Mataji: No it is not so. Man: He's not a final prophet? Shri Mataji: If it was, why is He, why is the second coming needed? Man: Well yes, You're a quite- Yes, no, no You missed my point- Shri Mataji: You see this is how they do it, you see. Supposing I say, with disgust I'll say, "I am the last time coming to Cambridge." But maybe I may again feel like coming. Another man: But does what You mean in fact imply, does, does it imply that He's coming back to fulfill all the prophets, to finish the- Shri Mataji: You see, we see some- we see Christ as a separate entity, that's why you think like that. For example when you enter in the room you enter the whole body, with your eyes, with nose, with ears, with all the aspects that you are. Supposing you are a professor or a lawyer, whatever is, all that is within you isn't it? All the aspects you enter in, so whatever you do you do the whole, that moment, that part. Now I don't know how can you say that Christ- I cannot put Him as separate. Supposing this hand is eating the food all right and this is wiping the thing, now which is the ultimate? Like the whole evolution has to come up to this stage where you become human beings; you have to enter into the kingdom of God and those who deny it are to be destroyed by Christ. Will you call Him the last, the- you see it's... it's the whole play is like that. Nobody is more important or less important in this body. Even a pin pricks you, you feel the hurt, the whole body, it's the question of the whole, it's not the question of one person, you see. [ASIDE: You understand what's this? Thank you very much.] So, whether it is Mohammad or whether it is Christ, all of them are important to us, very important, you will be surprised how much important they are to us. We cannot neglect any one of them. Any one of these centers if they are neglected we are in trouble. All the centers are to be corrected, are to be perfect and they also help. Like, will you say that this roof is more important or the foundation is more important? You see, the whole is important and every part of the whole is important and I cannot conceive of anything like a separate [thing?]. When Christ came He came with all His powers, when Mohammad Sahib came He came with all His powers, but that was the time when they had to come a particular type of work. For example today I have come, if I have come like them, I have come to give you awakening, that's My job. And that's what I'm doing. I am not going to tell "Don't," like Moses came out with Ten Commandments; of course I will establish that within you later on. But I am not going to tell you that. That's why some people don't understand why Christ didn't talk against alcoholism, because He came at this point, at the ego point, Mohammad sahib came at that point. All the primordial masters have denounced alcoholism because it goes against your awareness, which is sustained by your liver and the liver gets spoilt and that's why they were against it. You see, at what place, at what position they arrive, what is there job: that's what they do. For example, see a train is moving, all right? Then it stops at a point. And whatever is the problem at that point is done by the person in charge. If the train doesn't move from there, how will it reach the station? Now will you say that the reaching the station is the last [word?]. Every step is important [ED DEL: for the station,] for the train to move. So everybody has played a very important role, equally important, there is nothing like one person being important, that... we don't think like that. Or why human beings think like that? There's a reason for that, you see because by thinking like that they can form a cult, they can form a "ism," as you said, some sort of thing and then they can become important. But to be very frank none of them who have formed such cults have any idea as to what God is, even those who talk of Kundalini, you'll be amazed. I am Myself amazed, people have written such big books; such big books they have written without knowing where the Kundalini is. Can you imagine such ignorance and such audacity? Hitler used to talk about God. I mean, anybody can talk about God, this is what it is. So we have to see the whole thing in entirety, not to prove anything higher, lower or anything, first of all let us get to our Self, let us get to our Spirit through which you are going to know all the truth about them. And then you will see their glory one after another. What a beauty it is to see them in one unity, in one unison, in complete concord. We cannot understand how they are united, because human beings, even husband wife are not united among human beings, I mean, the nearest relationship they say, even there they are not united, so human beings can't understand how they are completely united, absolutely in unison. There's no discord at all, even not this much. They are perfect beings, they are ideals. We are imperfect that's why we see it that way. They are absolutely coordinated. They are not human beings. But the beauty of human beings is that they can become divine. You see for a divine personality it's impossible to change, you cannot just change, you are changed forever a permanently fixed position. But they can change. You are human beings not divine people and that's your beauty. So understand them in such a way that they are all one. There's nothing like higher, lower - this is not existing. This is all right for academic career or sort of a, we can have a theology or something like that. But it is not theology, it is no philosophy or anything, it is absolutely the reality, which exists; you can see for yourself. Why not get Realization and see for yourself it is true or not? Why not see for yourself, that's the best isn't it, to become that and see for yourself if they are all one or not, because you can feel it. What's[unclear, sounds like "Arr"] doing?. Lady: When You say that all the religions say that you have to die, we can't even do that. Shri Mataji: Nobody says that, who says that? Lady: Well you have to die before you die to be born again. Shri Mataji: Yes, very true. But that, that I agree. But that death doesn't mean that you die the way you are supposed to die, no. You see every flower has to die before it becomes a fruit, every egg has to die before it becomes the bird, isn't it? In the same way what dies within us is our Mr. Ego and superego; they are sucked in. So nothing to be frightened of. Man: You die to live. Shri Mataji: Die to live, that's the point is. Die to live, live a higher life. Yes. Is there any...? Man: Mother, we read about [UNCLEAR: You with an ???] Have You made [INDISTINGUISHABLE.] Is there any relationship between the ability to transform the easy yoga with which You are [fittex?] and our diet? Shri Mataji: The? Man: Our diet, what we eat. Shri Mataji: No it has nothing to do, much. Is not so important. Is not very important. You see diet and all that we have paid too much importance to it, there's no need to bother about. It is even, I tell you, you'll be surprised, that I have seen people, Sahaja Yoga is such a grace these days, it's such a gracious thing, that a person came to Me, he got his Realization. Now he was the man who was really a very bad man from every angle, you see? He got Realization. I was amazed at the grace; it's so forgiving. Diet and all these things you just forget just now, because there's nothing important, it's nothing important. We pay too much attention to these things, you see. Now for example, vegetarianism, what's the use of such extreme vegetarianism, I just can't understand; are we going to give Realization to chickens, or to bugs. We are more worried about animals then about human beings, isn't it? Man: But isn't human being an animal too. Shri Mataji: Ah? Man: Is an human being an animal, as well though? Shri Mataji: What is it he said? Man2: Is not a human being also an animal? Shri Mataji: That's what you have to become divine now. The animal stage will be over very soon. Human being is at that stage where he is going to become divine, you see he's the most important thing. I cannot give Realization to any other animal, but if you call human beings them, that's all, they only the ones who are going to get Realization. But is nothing important, these things are not important, we should not divert attention from the main thing, like some people believe that if they do this thing they will achieve God. No it's not that. But later on, all your priorities change, all your ideas about these things change and you start understanding what is, what is the thing needed to sustain yourself. [ASIDE: all right]. Nobody has achieved anything by doing all these things so far, this we must accept; that we have not achieved anything by doing these things, so far. Have we felt the Cool Breeze which is described in all the scriptures? Of course I must say that Adi Shankracharya described it in a very big book "Chaitanya Lahari." Have we felt that? No, we have not. So accept it. So what's the use of doing the same things again, better get it in within yourself. Among Hindus also, I would say that they denounced Krishna at the time when Jainism came in because they thought that He killed many demons and killing according to them was Samhara, was a violent thing. Well what do you do to the demons, you don't kill them? Are you to garland the demons? And the Goddess destroyed so many demons, what does She do? She has to worship them? This kind of kindness doesn't exist with the wrathful God. In the car you have got an accelerator and also a brake. You have to have that, otherwise how are you going to control these horrible people? Passivity is to be denounced absolutely; neither aggression is to be accepted. Both things are just the same. Hitler started his work very slowly, that time the Jews if they were not so passive, this poison would not have accumulated and this horrible shame that came on humanity would not have occurred. And the whole basis of Krishna's teachings are this; in the Geeta He says that, "What's the use, a weak man having non-violence? Is a cowardice." He's telling Arjuna that, "Raise your weapons against these horrible people." And he got into kaivalya, he said, "I don't want to do it. I don't want to kill my own relations." He said, "Who dies. You have to punish them." So all these ideas also are very much with in us, specially now I find, in the West that, "We feel very guilty, we should not do this we should not do that." Of course one should not aggress. Aggression comes also through inferiority I think, through insecurities also, can be cruel, can be very much egoistical. Both things are just the same. As you see here the ego and the superego; the ego is in yellow color and the deep blue color is the super ego. Both of them are to be given up. It's not only one side that is to be given, both the sides. When a person is Realized, he doesn't aggress nor does he take aggression. Like Christ we can say, now look at Christ, who took a hunter in his hand and started beating all the people who were making money near the church. We still have fetes and all that in the churches you see that goes on. He stood by a prostitute; what a prostitute had to do with Christ? He stood by her and He said, "Come along now, who wants to put the stone has to say that he has not committed any sin," Such valor and such glory. There's no place for cowardice. Mostly the aggression is due to cowardice. It's a very balanced personality you develop in which you are love, but love can punish, it punishes. It gives a very long rope and a very long rope and a very long rope, but it punishes. Lady: Mother, would You please, would... that is, this yoga is an actual revolution and it typically says, I think, that's that one has to, to actually jump. I think You said something like that Shri Mataji: Yes. Lady: You have to make that jump. Do You say that? [Unclear]... Shri Mataji: It is a breakthrough. You see, there's no word, proper word to express it, but I would say it's a breakthrough; your attention becomes that. In simple analogy you can understand: this room, if you put the lights it gets enlightened. In a simple way to understand it, it happens to you, you don't have to jump in a way that you don't have to push your awareness, nothing, it just happens to you. It just happens to you, you just get it. All right? You don't have to do anything. Lady: I'm probably going to [UNCLEAR] [Another lady makes an inaudible comment.] Shri Mataji: What is it, in particular? Lady: ...try the meditation. Other lady: [inaudible] so you'll first get it from Her... Shri Mataji: Now, you see you have to be in meditation, you cannot do meditation. Lady: Okay. Shri Mataji: All right? Lady: ...do meditation... Shri Mataji: You have to be in meditation and that's a stage you arrive at. Lady: Yes. Yes... Shri Mataji: Another analogy if I tell you: supposing you are standing in the water and you are afraid of the waves that are coming, this thought is coming then another thought is coming. But supposing by any chance you get into a boat. Then a state comes in, in which you see this, you become a witness. It's a state, it's a state of your awareness where you just become a witness; the whole becomes a drama, you are no more involved into it. But you become dynamic because you can see it, because dynamic powers start flowing through you. You are dynamic power. Only thing, you have to allow it to flow and the dynamic power of love. It is rather inconceivable with intelligence, you have to achieve it. Then you will start saying, "Oh God, what is this?" Lady: During that, one has to make an effort. Shri Mataji: No effort at all. [Mother laughs] Lady: I'm good at it... Shri Mataji: No effort of any kind. American lady with southern drawl: Can You explain the fasting, prayer chanting, mind expanding drugs being used to activate the Kundalini, the state of awareness You talking about? Shri Mataji: I didn't follow her at all. Just come. American: Can such things as prayer, fasting, chanting... Shri Mataji: Nothing. American: Can they be used? Shri Mataji: No nothing, nothing. American: Just like that? Shri Mataji: Nothing that's all. Nothing. I'll tell you about each one of them, is very interesting. Now say prayer, prayer is like telephoning without the connection being made. Chanting is really pestering. Because say, we have to now meet the queen of England, for example, and we go there and start shouting, "Elizabeth, Elizabeth." I shouldn't say that also, because you'll be arrested. There should be some protocol, some arrangement by which you are connected, and then only you can go to her. Even the queen of England, while I am talking of the queens of queens of queens, you see? So this is second: chanting. And which is the third thing you said, prayer, chanting... American: Fasting. Shri Mataji: Fasting. Now for heaven's sake don't fast. In Sahaj Yoga it's sinful to fast. I mean you should eat something, because God has made this beautiful earth, beautiful everything for you to fast... is it? I'll give you an example we had one gentleman who was a great worshiper of this deity of innocence, Ganesha, and he got a prostate gland trouble. He came to Me and he said, "Mother, how is it because this is the one which protects prostate gland and I have got prostate gland trouble and I worship this Ganesha and I'm a Sahaj yogi, I'm a realized soul and I understand its significance. How is it still it happens, this problem?" So, this is the thing we give as My, what you call, prasad, to people, called as channa. And in fasting, Indian fasting they don't take any carbohydrates - you see these are all things they have devised. So I said, "All right, you have My prasad," I told him, "You'll be all right." So he looked at it, he said, "Today I am fasting." I said, "Fasting for what?" He said, "Today is the birthday of Ganesha, that's why I'm fasting." I said, "Supposing a child is born in your house, do you fast that day? If somebody dies you may fast? Why should you fast? What is there to feel so miserable that He's born in your family, born in this world and you are celebrating his birthday with a fast?" You will be amazed. With that giving up fast he got all right. You have to please the deities isn't it? No fasting is allowed in Sahaj Yoga. Of course, if you want, for your health's sake is all right, but not for God; for God's sake do not fast. You can fast for yourself, if you want to, that nobody has any objection to. But for God, I mean why bring bad name to Him? And to a mother, the best way to punish mother is to fast. You see supposing the child is angry with mother he will not eat the food, finished, the mother is finished then, that's the last weapon. So you want to punish your mother then you can fast. It is all a way of regulating your diet and all that, is different. But it has nothing to do with God or divinity or anything. And why suffer? Another thing is suffering, "We must suffer." Why? Christ has suffered for you, isn't it? Now you don't have to suffer any more. Again, for Gods sake, do not suffer. The way they show Christ sometimes I'm amazed, you see, just bones and hanging like that, how can he be like that? Because they are miserable they want to make Christ look like that. How can He be a miserable, just a bone skeleton? Any one of you cannot carry the cross that He had carried; with those bones like that, will He be able to carry? In the Sistine Chapel, if you see the frescoes made by... who's done that? Who's the one? Lady: Michelangelo. Shri Mataji: Michelangelo, Michelangelo has done it. He has shown Christ just like a hefty person. And that's the right style, because he was a realized soul. While down below, you see they have placed a bony structure there... This is Christ. I mean if you see the difference between the two you'll be amazed. How can these people be miserable first of all. But we want to believe we are miserable, like French: les miserables, they are. I've made lot of fun out of their les miserables condition. Do not delve in all this nonsensical ideas. If you have read Lord Byron, then you don't get Realization for the same reason; all these miserable creatures trying to make others miserable. If you have read Blake, that's the person. Blake has talked of Sahaj Yoga, if you read Blake, "Milton" is the book, He has talked of Sahaj Yoga completely entirely about it, He's just also said where the ashram will be: Lambeth's Vale, there is the ashram we have got. You must read William Blake. What a poetry. What a prophet you've got and here you are reading this horrible, nonsensical man, this Lord Byron. He had no character and no morality, hopeless fellow, making everybody cry. I don't know how you call him a poet, by what chance. And there's a statue of his put there. Nobody has seen the statue of Blake, they don't like him I think. Oh you have lots of things you have inherited, Stonehenge, so many things you have got, you'll know about them, how great you are. England is the heart of the universe. Do you know that? It is the heart of the universe and it is lethargic. It can be proved. You can ask the question, "Is London, is England heart of the universe?" You will get vibrations on this point. You'll start getting the cool breeze. Any other question? There are some very good people today, I can feel it. Man at first inaudibly, then: How does Sahaj Yoga influence a man's, or a woman's, personal destiny, how would man or a woman who's got a question in his mind, sort-of, as he goes through life, you know, this was going to be in the bar, but who's going to... when you beating a headache. [UNCLEAR] He's [disconnected?]- Shri Mataji: You see the thoughts- Man: ...[unclear] next life and if so, so where I'm going to be, what am I going to do for...? Shri Mataji: What am I going to do? Yes, these questions. These questions come to you either from the future or from the past. You think of the past or of the future, but not of the present. One thought comes and goes into the past. Another thought comes, goes into the past. Sometimes you get your thoughts even from your past and in between these thoughts there's a little space. Your attention cannot stay there, but after the Realization your attention is there in the present. When the Kundalini rises above this point, you become thoughtlessly aware, nirvichar samadhi, thoughtlessly aware. Aware but thoughtlessly, which is called as nirvichar, means thoughtless samadhi, "dhi" means awareness, samadhi: when it is balanced. And when it pierces through your fontanel bone area, then you become completely relaxed; the drama is over, and we start feeling the cool breeze. Just now many of you are in thoughtless awareness, try to see if you are thinking, watch My thing here and see if you are thinking. Many would have liked to ask Me questions but because of that they are not asking, because no thought is coming. You are listening to Me, you are very aware, but no thought is coming. It's a very difficult state normally it's not possible, but your Kundalini does that. Lady: Is it not possible to arouse the Kundalini prematurely. I've understood about the Kundalini all my life and have been taught that if the person is not spiritually advanced sufficiently, then the power when it is aroused prematurely, can burn up, sort of, the other chakras and insanity can even happen - Shri Mataji: Yes Lady: - if the person's not spiritually advanced enough when it is aroused. Shri Mataji: All right, I'll tell you all about it. Lady: Yes? Shri Mataji: Please be seated. You see most of these people who talk of Kundalini, have no authority to raise Kundalini. Lady: I'm talking about Madam Blavatsky Have You heard about - Shri Mataji: Do you think she had authority? Lady: Yes, I do. Shri Mataji: I don't think so, I'm sorry. Because none of these things will happen to you if you're authorized by God. On the contrary, on the contrary, it is such a blissful experience. She wrote it many have written, I have already told you, but what they have done is unauthorized behavior. Like a villager supposing comes to city, who has never seen the lights, all right? And puts his fingers direct into the plugs and says, "Oh! I got a fright." Its like that only; they have no knowledge of Kundalini, nothing and no authority, you cannot put the authority upon yourself, it's something that is with you, you are born with it. They just say... you believe it, I don't know why you believe it, if she has - Lady: Was something dangerous. Shri Mataji: But what has she done? Has she given to anybody Realization? Lady: I think so, yes. Shri Mataji: Whom? Lady: Quite a few people. Shri Mataji: Whom? Lady: I wouldn't like to name [unclear]- Shri Mataji: Nobody! Not one person not a single soul. Realization is a very different thing: then you talk like Kabir, you talk like an authority. Not a single soul has been given Realization. I don't want to bring in people because no use having controversies. For Me she's also another seeker. But those who appropriate these properties within themselves, but show if they have given Realization to anyone. What do you expect out of Realization is collective consciousness, Jung has said it. None of her disciples... I've yet to come across any disciple who has got collective consciousness. For example a gentleman came to me he said, "My Kundalini's awakened." I said, "How do you know?" He said, "I know I have got it." So, "But how?" I said, "Can you tell me about this gentleman if he has got his Realization or not? What is the center catching in him, can you tell me?" He said, "No how can I tell?" Then you haven't got Realization. As soon as you get your Realization immediately you can start feeling your centers and others' centers; even children can tell you. That's the sign of a realized soul; it's not self certification. All right? It should happen within you by which you can feel it. You can say by feeling that, "Yes, this gentleman is catching on this..." One gentleman came and asked Me, "Mother, why everybody is asking about my father? Anybody who comes to me who are Sahaja Yogis, they come and ask me, 'What about your father?' What's the matter?" I said, "Because there's a center for a father, which is catching." You put ten children, if they are realized, and bind them and ask them to put hands towards one person. Ask them, "What's wrong with him?" He'll say this. That means the person feels guilty for nothing at all -this finger, means this left Vishuddhi, this. Every one will say the same, because truth is same. If you have reached the absolute, there should be no difference of opinion whatsoever, how can there be? Relativity comes only when there is no absolute. I don't want to criticize anyone nor to bring any controversies, all right? You are all dear to Me, but I am just telling you that don't believe into things. Today I am before you. Forget all that. Have it. After Realization you will know who was realized and who was not realized, before that no use talking. I praise here William Blake and there I denounced Lord Byron: there must be some reason for it. But you can see in the language into everything, what an authority William Blake had. And this crying baby, crying for God, shows that they are in separation. It is as simple as that. A lady who has met her husband, who is in love with him, you can see from her face. And the one whose husband is away, who is pining for him, you can see on her face. Very apparent. But for a realized soul it is very easy to know. I'll tell you Lord Mount Batten was a realized soul .You won't believe that. Man: I would. Shri Mataji: But his Lady Plevesky was not. Lord Mountbatten was a realized soul, I told some people about it, just by-the-way. And one day we were watching the TV and some of the Sahaj Yogis were sitting. Suddenly they got vibrations they said, "What?" I said, "This is it." I mean they may look to be very simple, ordinary people, mundane type, they might be realized souls. How will you know? That's what I'm saying. The gentleman who asked Me question has disappeared now, he must have come from some church, he doesn't want to give that up. I said, "How will you know Christ? How will you know?" Forget about all that, makes no difference. Mr. Phillip who's sitting here, when I asked him, "How many Gurus you have been and what books you have read," he gave me such a big, you see, papers, bundle of papers, which I didn't know how am I to read that, no! Thank God he read so many, so he was not identified with any one, thank God. So it can be anything, but so far we have not found it, so why accept anyone whatsoever. You have to just accept yourself that's all; Sahaj Yoga is as simple as that. You ask a simple question before Me, "Mother, am I the Spirit? Or am I my own teacher?" You are your own teacher, but you have to get Realization for that. Before that, the Mother is your teacher. But once you get your Realization, you are your own teacher. Now let's see. Put your hands towards Me please. Just like this. Both the feet are to be on the ground. Just like this. And close also. Because when Kundalini rises above this Christ [UNCLEAR], this dilation of the pupils takes place and if the eyes are not closed...[microphone is bumped.] Don't push your attention anywhere, do not force yourself into anything, just keep your attention loose, don't think about anything, it will just work out, the Kundalini has to rise. Firstly you'll find you are thoughtlessly aware and then you will find a cool breeze flowing in your hand. It's very simple as that. Now what I do is to conceive you in My heart, and give you immaculate birth through your Sahasrara, through your fontanel bone area. Do not feel guilty; one thing please do not do is to feel guilty. Actually all of you should say, "I am not guilty." Is a very common disease of the West. What are you guilty about? I mean what sins can you commit compared to the Ocean of Love of God. I am talking of the Ocean of Love. So be kind to yourself. If the light has to come in you, be kind to yourself. You are the shrine of the Spirit. Now please do not blame yourself for anything. [Shri Mataji rubs Her hands together and blows on them while giving Realization.].

Public Program. Cambridge (UK), 3 July 1981. All the seekers of truth, I am very much thankful to you for giving Me this opportunity to meet you all over here .You are here because you are seeking and the seeking is so innately expressing itself that you cannot get over this feeling of seeking even if you want to. But perhaps I do not know if you know what you are seeking; why you are not happy; what is the expectation you have about your seeking. All of you must have had some background of seeking. Because seekers are a special category; every person on the street is not a seeker. Every person we come across is not a seeker. It's a special category. I have seen there are seekers who are real seekers and there are also fake as we have in everything, because it's a fashion to seek, because nice to talk of seeking. In everything I can understand the fakeness but in seeking I cannot, because you are the gainer, you are the one who has to gain. So you should not fake it. Better try to awaken your sincerity and to get that which is real because human beings have reached such a stage of evolution that they cannot exist any more now, unless and until they find out the truth about themselves, unless and until they face the reality, unless and until they know why are they here for; they cannot go on like this, is an impossibility. All the shocks and all the horrible ideas people are giving you about the destruction of human race is because of this void that they feel, this distance they feel from reality. They feel that, "We haven't yet seen anything that is real. Everything we venture into, any enterprise, any movement towards progress, ends up into a nonsense." And the whole absurdity of this kind of a progress, when it comes face to face, you start feeling, "Now where are we? Are we on the right lines? Where are we moving?" This seeking that has come to you is of course the outcome of this confusion, no doubt, that you can see intelligently, this confusion around you. One of the things is that with your rationality or with your logic I should say - rationality's rather... can be very funny. With your logic you must have reached a point where you see this confusion, and you must be wanting to find out after all what is the solution? You work very hard, create an atom bomb, then it becomes like a devil on your head, you cannot go further with it. Any such movement of human beings towards understanding the meaning of their existence leads into a chaos. Then it is definite that we are in a cocoon and whatever we do it comes back to us. There must be way out, there must be a method by which we get out of it and see for ourselves, "What are we here for?" You cannot solve this problem through your intelligence or through your rationality, because human mind is limited and the limited mind cannot go to something that is unlimited. Like when I came to this hall, I had to leave my car behind. But it's very difficult to understand that with rationality you cannot reach some place and you reach that place spontaneously. But we can derive at that conclusion, by seeing that we evolved spontaneously, we evolved automatically .We did not think about it. Say, from animal stage to this stage we have come; from amoeba stage to this stage we have come, without doing anything about it. Spontaneously it has happened. People, perhaps do not understand the word "spontaneous." Spontaneous means it's a happening through some living force and the living force acts on its own. It drives you up to a point, like a flower becomes a fruit. Now the flower cannot do anything about becoming a fruit. In the same way we cannot do anything about our evolution we should accept most humbly, because we have done nothing so far to become human beings. We have taken for granted our human life. But how we got it, we do not know. We did not pay any money for it. That way anything very vital to life you get it spontaneously. Like our breathing, nobody taught us breathing. We did not have to join Cambridge University to learn our breathing, did we? It comes so spontaneously as soon as we are born we start breathing. All that is vital for the progress of life comes to us spontaneously. So if evolution is the most vital climax of our existence then it has to come to us spontaneously, we cannot do anything about it. So first of all let us relax. It's going to work spontaneously, so why put our self up into a tension? Now, we have to see like a scientist with a very open mind, that we are not yet aware of ourselves. We do not know what are we. We know we are human beings, but are we really human beings alone? Or are we something more than that? And if we are, are we aware of that. Now we are moving only logically at this stage. Once we accept that still we are not that reality by which we can know every dimension of ourselves. If there is light we should be able to see everything in this room, isn't it? If we have light within ourselves we should be able to see ourselves within and without .The confusion is there because this light is not yet enlightened. But now think that, you are made a human being, but why? Why? What was the need? Why so much trouble was taken by nature to make a human being? No scientist goes into the "whys," you see. They'll say, "It is so." It's a scientific way of looking at things. Now they say, "It's [UNCLEAR]parketted? All right, it is [UNCLEAR] parketted. They write down "This is [UNCLEAR] parketted." Finished. Whatever they see and know they write it down, "This is so." But they cannot say why? Why there is gravity in the Mother Earth? They cannot say that. But let us ask this question, "why." Why are we human beings? This is the beginning of your seeking. Now when I put forward some sort of a hypothesis for you, some sort of a idea or a theory before you, you need not get disturbed by it. Keep yourself open and see for yourself if it works or not. But for this we really need people who are ardent seekers. Like we come into any university, I would say we keep ourselves open we just don't go and challenge every knowledge to begin with. But we try to find out for ourselves whether, whatever is said is true or not. In the same way we should keep ourselves very open about this method of the nature, which is spontaneous, and the Power that is placed within us, which is called as Kundalini - this is the name given by human beings; God has not given names to anything - that resides within us in the triangular bone. Now it is too fantastic to believe those, "We have never heard about it." But even in the Bible it's said that, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames." Can they explain what are these "tongues of flames" are? As it is, they gave no chance for Christ to speak much and there were not any university students to understand about Kundalini, about this beautiful instrument that God has placed within us; they were ordinary fisherman. So whatever they saw, according to their own understanding they have put it down. If they could have understood Christ, they would never have crucified Him. But they never understood Him and didn't want to understand Him. In the same way it should not happen today. We should try to understand. It's very important, imminent and crucial .If this point is missed, big danger I can see, for a complete disaster .We are already seeing the signs of that destruction taking place within ourselves. I'm sure somebody must have told you about this chart, the Kundalini and the way it rises. Before doubting about its existence, I would request you to know that nature has taken all beautiful care to create you. And all these centers are placed within you, they exist. When the Kundalini rises, in so many people who have obstructions, you can see the pulsation in your triangular bone. In some people we have seen very violent movement. You can seen the rising of the Kundalini also, you can see the breaking of the Kundalini here, the real baptism that John Baptist talked about .You can feel the "Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost" emitting of your head, which is not possible. All kinds of things are floating now in the market. Of course Sahaj Yoga is not in the market. This you must have known, because you cannot pay for Sahaj Yoga. It's an insult even to think of money. This is your own right, you are made for it. Just like this instrument is made, you are made, specially, and you are to be put to the mains. Now for an intellectual mind, the question comes in, the first, "Why You? Why Me?" Is very common. I said "Please have it My seat sir. A good idea." 'Cause I have to work twenty-four hours. I mean I am very happily married and quite all right. I have no problems of My own. But if you could do My work, I'll be very happy to retire. You are a professor, for example, that you are, one has to accept. In the same way if I am doing something then one should not feel so hurt about it. Gradually you will know that you can also do the same thing. As I am enlightened you will get enlightenment and you can do the same thing yourself. If one candle is enlightened first, do other candles object to that? Will they object to that sort of a thing? In the same way we should not have reservations in our mind. People have been very intelligent and have been asking Me such stupid questions, that I didn't know how their intelligence is going so blunt in My presence. Like, they will say that, "...then why You are an Indian?" Or say, "Why are You wearing a white sari?" It has nothing to do with all these outside things. It is something innate, inside you. It is eternal, it is not destructive. It resides in your heart, which is just to be brought into your conscious mind. You have to be just conscious of it, that's all. I can see that in you and you will start seeing too. It's your own. Only thing is that there has to be actualization, not a lecture or a brainwashing or some sort of a circus, but an actual thing that should happen within you, is the awakening of the Kundalini. This is very important, if you understand a simple thing, that if you are paying attention to Me, something falls down, something happens, your attention goes there. But if I say take your attention inside, you cannot. How can you push your attention inside, you cannot. So some happening has to take place, and this Kundalini rises. Now what is this Kundalini? Again I say it's an hypothesis for you so far. Kundalini is the power of desire within us, which is not yet manifested, which is not yet awakened. That's why It creates the whole aura of a man, It creates the complete human form, complete human personality and still it has not yet manifested itself. It is still lying in a dormant state because It is still residual, It has not expressed Itself. When It is awakened, that desire is completed, then only this power of desire has manifested. Now within us there is a power of desire on the left hand side, as shown here. [I'm sorry I'm standing before this, but they must have told you. Can you put it there. Let us please show them now.] The left side, power of desire, is this one which we know as psyche, which Freud has described as psyche. But I must say Freud knew half the truth, not the full. He only knew about psyche. He didn't know about the other power that existed within us, is the second power, is the power of action. Perhaps Sartre knew about it, but he didn't know about psyche. So when you say that "What's wrong?" When you say, "There should be no conditioning. We should not accept any conditioning." What you are doing is you are developing the other side. The first side of conditioning gives you a super ego and the other side, on the right hand side, gives you the ego. Both grow and form a calcified closure here in the head, in the fontanel bone area and that's how you develop your own personality: This gentleman is different; you are different; you are different. And this "I-ness" develops because you are cut off. Just like an egg we can say. Now the egg starts developing itself. Till it reaches a certain maturity and just a piercing of the top of the head, knocking off the ready egg, you get the bird coming out. The bird has nothing to do, I mean it is nowhere near the egg it's a very different thing and that is your second birth, that is how you are born again; this has to happen to you. This happens only by Kundalini awakening, by nothing other- suggestions people give: by... say... they say you can stand on your head, Kundalini doesn't rise. Some people will say, "You pay so much money, come for a course." It won't rise. It's like a primule in a seed that has to sprout. Now what do you do to sprout a seed, do you stand on your heads? Just you have to put to the Mother earth; with Her warmth it comes out by itself. In the same way this Kundalini rises. We have to understand that you cannot pay for it. If you pay some money will the seed sprout? Or to the egg, will it become, will it become the bird? Nature's principles are so simple, so logical, so sensible that you don't have to read much to understand it. Actually with reading too much also we got complicated. Everybody else is in our head, we are nowhere, we are lost. And the complexities of life become even worse when we start sorting out through this. The nature takes its own course and this Kundalini happening has to be today en masse. Thousands of people have to get Realization. That's why you are so many born on this earth as seekers because you know the time has come that you should get your Realization because you were seekers in many lives. And this life is to be bestowed with that blessing which you have been asking for. This has to happen. If you do not accept, makes no difference to your Spirit. Because it is satisfied by itself; it is not bothered as to how you want to have it. But it is you who should be bothered about it. You have to get it into your attention. Just like a light is there, it is not bothered whether you put it off or put on. It has nothing to do with your liking it or not liking it, it is there. But if you desire, if you really want it, there is a mechanism within us placed in this way that we have all together seven centers, the main seven centers which demarcate our evolutionary stages. For example the lowest one, which is called as Mooladhara Chakra is the center of Mooladhara. It manifests in the - this is the subtle center - manifests in the gross our pelvic plexus. This is the center of our innocence. This innocence was created first of all, before the universe was created and this exists with in us - of course we might have lost it, that's a different point, but that is the first thing that was created within us also, is our innocence. Now if you have to talk to a doctor he won't understand that "What is this innocence." But you know there is something like innocence in you. This first center is a very important center in Sahaj Yoga. Because, the deity of innocence expresses itself, manifests itself later on, at this point where you see the red mark in the center of the brain, where the optic chiasma is, where the pituitary and pineal are placed on both the sides, a very subtle center is there called as Agnya. You can see it crossing there. And this one, the deity incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ, our Lord, Jesus Christ. Now, no one knows about His incarnations, I think. They only understand what He said about Himself that "I have a Father," and that "I am the only Son." Beyond that, people do not know what was the purpose of Christ' coming, what was the meaning of crucifixion? I think. We say that He came on this earth to forgive us our sins, you see, He takes up our sins. But how does it happen? How does it happen within us that He forgives our sins? It's only possible when He is awakened. He's still asleep within us. Then how can He forgive our sins? He is to be awakened first of all. If somebody can awaken Jesus within you, all these theories of karmas and all those things will be nothing but useless, old fashioned, old-dated things which has no meaning. But nobody understood this great importance of Christ' life. I mean people came to India. There was no proper rapport between the people of England; say for example they came down to India, as far as Christ was concerned. I wish they could tell them about Christ that He was the one who has come on this earth to take all our sins and to take all our karmas. Instead of that, the kind of Christianity they spread in India could not create any rapport between the people who were seers, who were sages, to get this great message of Christ' coming. Of course they respect Him very much, but still they do not know, they do not know. That's all right, but the people who are supposed to be following Him, also do not know that He is to be awakened within us. Now, we know through Sahaj Yoga that He's the one who was called as Mahavishnu in the old ancient books of India. He's described so well how He will come, how He will be born; what will be His position; what is His relation with other deities like Shri Krishna and all that. It's so clear-cut. And why His name was Jesus. And why His name was Christ and everything can be clearly understood if there were some sages from this country had gone or from any country who knew Christ and had given the message to the sages in India; only the sages can talk to each other and not these people, like one pundit from India and one pastor from here; both of them are ignorant. They do not know. Christ has said that, "You do not know; you are blind. I am talking to blind people." Now what does that mean? That means you are not yet awakened, that you have to be born again, that there has to be a happening - in every religion. Moses has said that. Mohammed Sahib has said that. He said "You have to become a pir, without becoming a pir you'll not understand Me." All His namaz is nothing but Kundalini awakening. But will the Muslims accept this? If you want to understand fanaticism, if there is fanaticism within us or not. I was talking to a Muslim and I said, "You better go to Jews and ask them what they have to say about Muslims." That's the best way one can understand. I mean, fanatically they will prove that the other person is wrong. So is better to go and see them and know that what they think about us. Fanaticism is such a blind stuff that it can never give you any idea as to what is reality. Because whatever you believe into, you build up your own ideas and everything onto it and it's like a fake palace built on a fake idea.And then you go on fighting. If God is one, if His love is one, then how can people who believe in God fight? I mean I- to My reasoning it does not. You cannot fight. If He is the primordial being, if you are the part and parcel of that, will this hand fight with this hand? Who is the other? But this should happen to us. When it happens then you jump into collective consciousness. You become, again I say it's actualization, it is not just telling, "We are all brothers and sisters, let us form a UN system." And it's only used for filling up some posts, that's all. Actually it happens, that you start feeling others on your fingers, their centers on your fingers, it happens; your awareness gets that. It's not that one has to say, "Oh, I think I'm very happy, he is a nice man." What is the meaning, it's very vague. Maybe his eyes are like your mother's eyes, maybe, that's why you like him. Can be very superficial reason for which you like a person. But innately, what is his nature is to be found out and how will you find out? There's no way, but to make your awareness, your instrument of awareness much sharper, much deeper, much subtler, and it just happens. When it happens you jump into another dimension of collective consciousness. Again I'll say you jump into it. It is an actualization. It is not a mental process by which you decide. You judge people on what? On their clothes? On their races? On their nationalities? On their education? On their labor? That's all superficial. You have to judge them on their centers, how the centers are. When the Kundalini rises, actually She's such a blissful thing, She is your mother. Everyone has an individual mother, every one of you. And when she rises, She blesses you so much that you get your physical being corrected. We have, we have cured cancer with this. Cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Sahaj Yog. I've been saying this for 10 years, but the doctors come to Me, get cured, they tell others, they say, "Oh, we can't believe it." People don't want to believe into it. But cancer can only be cured through Sahaj Yog, there's no other way out. And if you can come to some other lectures of Mine, you will know that cancer is caused by over activity of these two powers which manifest your sympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system, the over activity of the sympathetic nervous system due to any emergency whatsoever. You put a metal in the body, you'll get it. Any emergency that arises because of the over activity of the sympathetic nervous system, which... which actually attacks the emergency, you develop cancer. And it can only be cured really by Sahaj Yog. There are so many diseases like diabetes, heart, innumerable innumerable, they can be cured by Sahaj Yog, physically. Paralysis- I mean I don't know, so many varieties, except for where, I mean some dead things have been put inside or then you cannot. Because your physical being achieves that stage in which it is bathed all the time in the vital forces. This Kundalini opens you to the divine love of God, which is all pervading and this divine love is the energy of God which has all the energies of the world: Electromagnetic energies, all the energies that have created the elements, the emotional energy, the mental energies, of all the things is the spiritual energy. So mentally also you get all right. Now we have had people who were addicts, absolutely gone cases. They just got rid of their addiction, because if you somehow or other discover yourself, your reality, you just become a different person. You become so relaxed; you are not bored anymore; you enjoy yourself so much, because you are beautiful, the beauty resides within you. And that beauty when you discover, you find, "Oh God, I've been so superficial in my life. This beauty is there hidden within me." And you just give up automatically. I never tell people, "Don't do this, don't do that." No don'ts in Sahaj Yoga. You just come, get your Realization you may become mentally so, so relaxed that all these problems drop out. There's nothing fantastic for Me, but maybe for you it is too much to believe. But it is better to see for yourself how it works, how it has worked out and how it can work out with you. You yourself can work it out, it will become your own knowledge, your own property, your own maneuvering, and you will be able to handle it. In this short time, it's not difficult to say broad lines of Sahaj Yoga, but to talk in details is going to be very difficult. Now I don't know how many lectures I must have given; only in Caxton hall must be at least three hundred or four hundred lectures and otherwise I don't know how many. So, this is just a broad line idea about Sahaj Yoga. This must give you assurance in life first of all, that if somebody is saying so, lets try, worth trying. But it's very amazing, last time we had about hundred-and-fifty people in Cambridge and I think only one person stuck on to Sahaj Yoga. Everybody felt the vibrations no doubt, everybody felt the cool breeze. But what happened with them is that when they went out they started thinking about it, they lost it. It is like sprouting of the seed as I said, that the small gentle seeds, seedlings are to be looked after. When it sprouts, if you just throw them, they can be destroyed. So, one has to be careful for at least a month to preserve this sprouting. Once you have managed this one month then I am sure it will settle down. You don't require anything much to be done; few methods of cleansing yourself, sustaining yourself and keeping yourself afloat. If you could dedicate only a month to yourself you will definitely come up, no doubt and people have done it I mean in places like Brighton now I would say in France it has worked out, but Cambridge has been little disappointing. I hope this time you people will take it up little seriously. Because it's the most important thing that you have to have and this is the most vital thing. If you do not get it and if you are not there, only thing I have to tell you that the last judgment has started and you are going to be judged by your Kundalini. You yourself you are going to judge your Kundalini and you are going to judge your own chakras; there's a big rope given and you yourself will know that "This is my defect and this is my defect," and you will also know the defects of others in the words of Sahaj Yoga. For example, while coming here only, one gentleman said, "I have got an Agnya." This means ego. But he said it to Me; for him it does not matter because it's paining a little bit there. Apart from that, that the ego is paining, that he is away from ego, he can see his ego he doesn't want to have it. So he said, "Mother, my ego- my Agnya is catching," not ego, he says Agnya. But that's how you cleanse yourself. If you have to even repair your car, you have to get out of it. In the same way you get out of this shell and then you correct yourself. I don't know what to say further but I would request you to ask me some questions, that would be a better idea to explain certain things to you and then we'll have our Realization. But please note that question answering is not going to give you Realization, it's a happening. The other day I had a lady from a newspaper, she's a very well known writer this that, and I found her to be a very difficult person to give Realization and she said, "Am I a hopeless case?" I asked her, "What's the matter with you?" She says, "I don't know, I, I am... I, I, I am a gone case." And she writes so well she's a very well known successful woman. Of course she got her Realization, but it took so much time for her to get her Realization. While some of you might get it just like that and lose it also just like that, so one has to understand the value of it. I do not know at what pace it is retained, but once you have achieved it, you have to pay attention to it. It is your own, it's your own property, that's the only thing you really possess. The other possessions are just myths. That's the only thing you carry with you; that's the only thing that is going to adore you an to give you that joy of belonging and happiness - belonging to the whole, to the primordial being, not to a small self, selfish, self centered mind, but to the Self, which is the part and parcel of the whole. That you are already, but you are not aware of it. What Sahaj Yoga does is that it brings into your consciousness the manifestation of the spirit which you can do consciously, means through your central nervous system you can feel it. When the Kundalini pierces through, you can feel the Cool Breeze flowing from your hand, "The Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost," as they say. I wish you could ask me some questions and that's how I can explain certain things which might be hovering in your mind .May God bless you all. Thank you. Seeker: What is the meaning of nirvana, which is the essential point of Buddhist thought. Is it a kind of more a Buddhist mortal- I mean Indian [MORTALITY/MODALITY], as a Mohammed Iqbal, one of the Muslims... Shri Mataji: Just come here, I just can't follow you. Come here, please. Yes. Again. Seeker: ... ask you about a meaning of nirvana, which is the essential point in the Buddhist thought and because we could not find it in books in the Iraq saints and you know, as you know the, Mohammad Iqbal, one of the Muslims...a philosopher - Shri Mataji: Of course! Mohammad plays a big part in Sahaj Yoga I mean, for us He's absolutely the primordial master. For us He's so great. I mean, for us He's not just a Muslim or anything, He- for us He is a universal being. For us He's very great, you see? So Mohammad is - where is Mohammad in you, just tell Me? Where is He? Where does He exist? You do not know. Where is Christ? No, that's the problem. You must know where is Mohammad, which part of ours that Mohammad has enshrined, which part of ours He has enlightened. Is very necessary for you young people to know it. Now see what's happening. Look at these Jews, look at these Christians, look at these Muslims and look at these Hindus. What are they doing about God? They are butchering Him every moment don't you think so? We have to understand all these great people in their right sense through Sahaj Yoga. How? Because once you get these vibrations in your hand now, see here like this, then you can ask a question about Mohammad Sahib. Ask a question, "Was Mohammad Sahib was born on this earth as the primordial master?" Ask the question and immediately you'll start getting Cool Breeze, tremendous Cool Breeze. Yes He was. A person, you will be surprised, a person who worships, say, Guru Nanak and denounces Mohammad sahib, if he gets a cancer, he will definitely get, if you denounce anybody you will get cancer. Then I have to ask that person that "You have to worship Mohammad Sahib in the same way. If you do not I cannot cure your cancer." Christ has said very clearly, "Those who are not against Me, are with Me." Mohammed Sahib has clearly said that He was any, He- END OF SIDEA [missing audio in changeover between sides.] SIDE B Begins Any other questions please. Please ask Me questions because when I go away they will just come out and bother you. (Can you come forward please, [FV side 2 starts here:] [unclear remark from a man.] Shri Mataji: Yes please. Man: You mentioned the path Mohammed and Christ and Buddha and so forth, is the lineage of prophets [UNCLEAR: write in stone], but most of these religions are expecting Shri Mataji: Just... just come here. You see, English is not My mother tongue so, you see, any- Man: Well you've mentioned lineage of religions, of Buddha and Mohammed, 'cause Janak was not in the other [lineage?] ...and quite rightly so involved as a very strong competition to [myth?]. But in the case of Christianity, which of course obviously You speak with great fervor, there is the second coming, a spiritual second coming of course, involved. How do You think what you're teaching will fit into that ultimate conception, when that absolute reality- Shri Mataji: Not immaculate conce- Absolutely. Absolute reality, no doubt, absolute. Man: I mean what contribution have You got to make- Shri Mataji: -For that... Man: ...to that when it comes along. How does what You teach fit in? Shri Mataji: I will tell you, please be seated. Now say, one simple thing that when Christ come before you how will you recognize? Will you recognize Him? You cannot. Any second coming comes. Actually when He comes He's not going to talk to anyone. He's just coming with the lashing thing in His hand. He's just going to sort out, all right? How will you recognize Him? The first contribution will be that you will recognize Him through vibrations. Second contribution, about Me also there is already mentioned: I have to give you the counsel. And other things also there; I do not want to say something that will really make you unhappy or maybe some of you may be shocked, but lots of things are written about Me also in the Bible. But the people were so gross, so very gross, that Christ could not say many things which He could have said openly, but He did say in a way. The whole Bible is like that, especially Christ's life. There's a book about Me, "Advent." Please go through that. in that there is a mention. But unless and until you are realized you can't get the book, see it's a secret. I do not want to get crucified this time again, all right? But He is going to come, no doubt, no doubt. But before He comes, better get to the Kingdom of God. Only Mother can do this work, isn't it? That's important, to know that Christ is there. How will you know? Man: Am I right in thinking, if I may just finalize what I have in mind, that Mohammed of course, looked upon Christ as the major Prophet and Islamic religion looks forward to the time when Christ returns to spread Islam throughout the world as the universal religion. But the definition of Islam is the total dedication, devotion to God, surren- total surrender to God. And do You still look upon Christianity as the - even though it's malpracticed, obviously - do You still look upon Christ as being the major prophet of the lineage, indeed the final prophet. Shri Mataji: No it is not so. Man: He's not a final prophet? Shri Mataji: If it was, why is He, why is the second coming needed? Man: Well yes, You're a quite- Yes, no, no You missed my point- Shri Mataji: You see this is how they do it, you see. Supposing I say, with disgust I'll say, "I am the last time coming to Cambridge." But maybe I may again feel like coming. Another man: But does what You mean in fact imply, does, does it imply that He's coming back to fulfill all the prophets, to finish the- Shri Mataji: You see, we see some- we see Christ as a separate entity, that's why you think like that. For example when you enter in the room you enter the whole body, with your eyes, with nose, with ears, with all the aspects that you are. Supposing you are a professor or a lawyer, whatever is, all that is within you isn't it? All the aspects you enter in, so whatever you do you do the whole, that moment, that part. Now I don't know how can you say that Christ- I cannot put Him as separate. Supposing this hand is eating the food all right and this is wiping the thing, now which is the ultimate? Like the whole evolution has to come up to this stage where you become human beings; you have to enter into the kingdom of God and those who deny it are to be destroyed by Christ. Will you call Him the last, the- you see it's... it's the whole play is like that. Nobody is more important or less important in this body. Even a pin pricks you, you feel the hurt, the whole body, it's the question of the whole, it's not the question of one person, you see. [ASIDE: You understand what's this? Thank you very much.] So, whether it is Mohammad or whether it is Christ, all of them are important to us, very important, you will be surprised how much important they are to us. We cannot neglect any one of them. Any one of these centers if they are neglected we are in trouble. All the centers are to be corrected, are to be perfect and they also help. Like, will you say that this roof is more important or the foundation is more important? You see, the whole is important and every part of the whole is important and I cannot conceive of anything like a separate [thing?]. When Christ came He came with all His powers, when Mohammad Sahib came He came with all His powers, but that was the time when they had to come a particular type of work. For example today I have come, if I have come like them, I have come to give you awakening, that's My job. And that's what I'm doing. I am not going to tell "Don't," like Moses came out with Ten Commandments; of course I will establish that within you later on. But I am not going to tell you that. That's why some people don't understand why Christ didn't talk against alcoholism, because He came at this point, at the ego point, Mohammad sahib came at that point. All the primordial masters have denounced alcoholism because it goes against your awareness, which is sustained by your liver and the liver gets spoilt and that's why they were against it. You see, at what place, at what position they arrive, what is there job: that's what they do. For example, see a train is moving, all right? Then it stops at a point. And whatever is the problem at that point is done by the person in charge. If the train doesn't move from there, how will it reach the station? Now will you say that the reaching the station is the last [word?]. Every step is important [ED DEL: for the station,] for the train to move. So everybody has played a very important role, equally important, there is nothing like one person being important, that... we don't think like that. Or why human beings think like that? There's a reason for that, you see because by thinking like that they can form a cult, they can form a "ism," as you said, some sort of thing and then they can become important. But to be very frank none of them who have formed such cults have any idea as to what God is, even those who talk of Kundalini, you'll be amazed. I am Myself amazed, people have written such big books; such big books they have written without knowing where the Kundalini is. Can you imagine such ignorance and such audacity? Hitler used to talk about God. I mean, anybody can talk about God, this is what it is. So we have to see the whole thing in entirety, not to prove anything higher, lower or anything, first of all let us get to our Self, let us get to our Spirit through which you are going to know all the truth about them. And then you will see their glory one after another. What a beauty it is to see them in one unity, in one unison, in complete concord. We cannot understand how they are united, because human beings, even husband wife are not united among human beings, I mean, the nearest relationship they say, even there they are not united, so human beings can't understand how they are completely united, absolutely in unison. There's no discord at all, even not this much. They are perfect beings, they are ideals. We are imperfect that's why we see it that way. They are absolutely coordinated. They are not human beings. But the beauty of human beings is that they can become divine. You see for a divine personality it's impossible to change, you cannot just change, you are changed forever a permanently fixed position. But they can change. You are human beings not divine people and that's your beauty. So understand them in such a way that they are all one. There's nothing like higher, lower - this is not existing. This is all right for academic career or sort of a, we can have a theology or something like that. But it is not theology, it is no philosophy or anything, it is absolutely the reality, which exists; you can see for yourself. Why not get Realization and see for yourself it is true or not? Why not see for yourself, that's the best isn't it, to become that and see for yourself if they are all one or not, because you can feel it. What's[unclear, sounds like "Arr"] doing?. Lady: When You say that all the religions say that you have to die, we can't even do that. Shri Mataji: Nobody says that, who says that? Lady: Well you have to die before you die to be born again. Shri Mataji: Yes, very true. But that, that I agree. But that death doesn't mean that you die the way you are supposed to die, no. You see every flower has to die before it becomes a fruit, every egg has to die before it becomes the bird, isn't it? In the same way what dies within us is our Mr. Ego and superego; they are sucked in. So nothing to be frightened of. Man: You die to live. Shri Mataji: Die to live, that's the point is. Die to live, live a higher life. Yes. Is there any...? Man: Mother, we read about [UNCLEAR: You with an ???] Have You made [INDISTINGUISHABLE.] Is there any relationship between the ability to transform the easy yoga with which You are [fittex?] and our diet? Shri Mataji: The? Man: Our diet, what we eat. Shri Mataji: No it has nothing to do, much. Is not so important. Is not very important. You see diet and all that we have paid too much importance to it, there's no need to bother about. It is even, I tell you, you'll be surprised, that I have seen people, Sahaja Yoga is such a grace these days, it's such a gracious thing, that a person came to Me, he got his Realization. Now he was the man who was really a very bad man from every angle, you see? He got Realization. I was amazed at the grace; it's so forgiving. Diet and all these things you just forget just now, because there's nothing important, it's nothing important. We pay too much attention to these things, you see. Now for example, vegetarianism, what's the use of such extreme vegetarianism, I just can't understand; are we going to give Realization to chickens, or to bugs. We are more worried about animals then about human beings, isn't it? Man: But isn't human being an animal too. Shri Mataji: Ah? Man: Is an human being an animal, as well though? Shri Mataji: What is it he said? Man2: Is not a human being also an animal? Shri Mataji: That's what you have to become divine now. The animal stage will be over very soon. Human being is at that stage where he is going to become divine, you see he's the most important thing. I cannot give Realization to any other animal, but if you call human beings them, that's all, they only the ones who are going to get Realization. But is nothing important, these things are not important, we should not divert attention from the main thing, like some people believe that if they do this thing they will achieve God. No it's not that. But later on, all your priorities change, all your ideas about these things change and you start understanding what is, what is the thing needed to sustain yourself. [ASIDE: all right]. Nobody has achieved anything by doing all these things so far, this we must accept; that we have not achieved anything by doing these things, so far. Have we felt the Cool Breeze which is described in all the scriptures? Of course I must say that Adi Shankracharya described it in a very big book "Chaitanya Lahari." Have we felt that? No, we have not. So accept it. So what's the use of doing the same things again, better get it in within yourself. Among Hindus also, I would say that they denounced Krishna at the time when Jainism came in because they thought that He killed many demons and killing according to them was Samhara, was a violent thing. Well what do you do to the demons, you don't kill them? Are you to garland the demons? And the Goddess destroyed so many demons, what does She do? She has to worship them? This kind of kindness doesn't exist with the wrathful God. In the car you have got an accelerator and also a brake. You have to have that, otherwise how are you going to control these horrible people? Passivity is to be denounced absolutely; neither aggression is to be accepted. Both things are just the same. Hitler started his work very slowly, that time the Jews if they were not so passive, this poison would not have accumulated and this horrible shame that came on humanity would not have occurred. And the whole basis of Krishna's teachings are this; in the Geeta He says that, "What's the use, a weak man having non-violence? Is a cowardice." He's telling Arjuna that, "Raise your weapons against these horrible people." And he got into kaivalya, he said, "I don't want to do it. I don't want to kill my own relations." He said, "Who dies. You have to punish them." So all these ideas also are very much with in us, specially now I find, in the West that, "We feel very guilty, we should not do this we should not do that." Of course one should not aggress. Aggression comes also through inferiority I think, through insecurities also, can be cruel, can be very much egoistical. Both things are just the same. As you see here the ego and the superego; the ego is in yellow color and the deep blue color is the super ego. Both of them are to be given up. It's not only one side that is to be given, both the sides. When a person is Realized, he doesn't aggress nor does he take aggression. Like Christ we can say, now look at Christ, who took a hunter in his hand and started beating all the people who were making money near the church. We still have fetes and all that in the churches you see that goes on. He stood by a prostitute; what a prostitute had to do with Christ? He stood by her and He said, "Come along now, who wants to put the stone has to say that he has not committed any sin," Such valor and such glory. There's no place for cowardice. Mostly the aggression is due to cowardice. It's a very balanced personality you develop in which you are love, but love can punish, it punishes. It gives a very long rope and a very long rope and a very long rope, but it punishes. Lady: Mother, would You please, would... that is, this yoga is an actual revolution and it typically says, I think, that's that one has to, to actually jump. I think You said something like that Shri Mataji: Yes. Lady: You have to make that jump. Do You say that? [Unclear]... Shri Mataji: It is a breakthrough. You see, there's no word, proper word to express it, but I would say it's a breakthrough; your attention becomes that. In simple analogy you can understand: this room, if you put the lights it gets enlightened. In a simple way to understand it, it happens to you, you don't have to jump in a way that you don't have to push your awareness, nothing, it just happens to you. It just happens to you, you just get it. All right? You don't have to do anything. Lady: I'm probably going to [UNCLEAR] [Another lady makes an inaudible comment.] Shri Mataji: What is it, in particular? Lady: ...try the meditation. Other lady: [inaudible] so you'll first get it from Her... Shri Mataji: Now, you see you have to be in meditation, you cannot do meditation. Lady: Okay. Shri Mataji: All right? Lady: ...do meditation... Shri Mataji: You have to be in meditation and that's a stage you arrive at. Lady: Yes. Yes... Shri Mataji: Another analogy if I tell you: supposing you are standing in the water and you are afraid of the waves that are coming, this thought is coming then another thought is coming. But supposing by any chance you get into a boat. Then a state comes in, in which you see this, you become a witness. It's a state, it's a state of your awareness where you just become a witness; the whole becomes a drama, you are no more involved into it. But you become dynamic because you can see it, because dynamic powers start flowing through you. You are dynamic power. Only thing, you have to allow it to flow and the dynamic power of love. It is rather inconceivable with intelligence, you have to achieve it. Then you will start saying, "Oh God, what is this?" Lady: During that, one has to make an effort. Shri Mataji: No effort at all. [Mother laughs] Lady: I'm good at it... Shri Mataji: No effort of any kind. American lady with southern drawl: Can You explain the fasting, prayer chanting, mind expanding drugs being used to activate the Kundalini, the state of awareness You talking about? Shri Mataji: I didn't follow her at all. Just come. American: Can such things as prayer, fasting, chanting... Shri Mataji: Nothing. American: Can they be used? Shri Mataji: No nothing, nothing. American: Just like that? Shri Mataji: Nothing that's all. Nothing. I'll tell you about each one of them, is very interesting. Now say prayer, prayer is like telephoning without the connection being made. Chanting is really pestering. Because say, we have to now meet the queen of England, for example, and we go there and start shouting, "Elizabeth, Elizabeth." I shouldn't say that also, because you'll be arrested. There should be some protocol, some arrangement by which you are connected, and then only you can go to her. Even the queen of England, while I am talking of the queens of queens of queens, you see? So this is second: chanting. And which is the third thing you said, prayer, chanting... American: Fasting. Shri Mataji: Fasting. Now for heaven's sake don't fast. In Sahaj Yoga it's sinful to fast. I mean you should eat something, because God has made this beautiful earth, beautiful everything for you to fast... is it? I'll give you an example we had one gentleman who was a great worshiper of this deity of innocence, Ganesha, and he got a prostate gland trouble. He came to Me and he said, "Mother, how is it because this is the one which protects prostate gland and I have got prostate gland trouble and I worship this Ganesha and I'm a Sahaj yogi, I'm a realized soul and I understand its significance. How is it still it happens, this problem?" So, this is the thing we give as My, what you call, prasad, to people, called as channa. And in fasting, Indian fasting they don't take any carbohydrates - you see these are all things they have devised. So I said, "All right, you have My prasad," I told him, "You'll be all right." So he looked at it, he said, "Today I am fasting." I said, "Fasting for what?" He said, "Today is the birthday of Ganesha, that's why I'm fasting." I said, "Supposing a child is born in your house, do you fast that day? If somebody dies you may fast? Why should you fast? What is there to feel so miserable that He's born in your family, born in this world and you are celebrating his birthday with a fast?" You will be amazed. With that giving up fast he got all right. You have to please the deities isn't it? No fasting is allowed in Sahaj Yoga. Of course, if you want, for your health's sake is all right, but not for God; for God's sake do not fast. You can fast for yourself, if you want to, that nobody has any objection to. But for God, I mean why bring bad name to Him? And to a mother, the best way to punish mother is to fast. You see supposing the child is angry with mother he will not eat the food, finished, the mother is finished then, that's the last weapon. So you want to punish your mother then you can fast. It is all a way of regulating your diet and all that, is different. But it has nothing to do with God or divinity or anything. And why suffer? Another thing is suffering, "We must suffer." Why? Christ has suffered for you, isn't it? Now you don't have to suffer any more. Again, for Gods sake, do not suffer. The way they show Christ sometimes I'm amazed, you see, just bones and hanging like that, how can he be like that? Because they are miserable they want to make Christ look like that. How can He be a miserable, just a bone skeleton? Any one of you cannot carry the cross that He had carried; with those bones like that, will He be able to carry? In the Sistine Chapel, if you see the frescoes made by... who's done that? Who's the one? Lady: Michelangelo. Shri Mataji: Michelangelo, Michelangelo has done it. He has shown Christ just like a hefty person. And that's the right style, because he was a realized soul. While down below, you see they have placed a bony structure there... This is Christ. I mean if you see the difference between the two you'll be amazed. How can these people be miserable first of all. But we want to believe we are miserable, like French: les miserables, they are. I've made lot of fun out of their les miserables condition. Do not delve in all this nonsensical ideas. If you have read Lord Byron, then you don't get Realization for the same reason; all these miserable creatures trying to make others miserable. If you have read Blake, that's the person. Blake has talked of Sahaj Yoga, if you read Blake, "Milton" is the book, He has talked of Sahaj Yoga completely entirely about it, He's just also said where the ashram will be: Lambeth's Vale, there is the ashram we have got. You must read William Blake. What a poetry. What a prophet you've got and here you are reading this horrible, nonsensical man, this Lord Byron. He had no character and no morality, hopeless fellow, making everybody cry. I don't know how you call him a poet, by what chance. And there's a statue of his put there. Nobody has seen the statue of Blake, they don't like him I think. Oh you have lots of things you have inherited, Stonehenge, so many things you have got, you'll know about them, how great you are. England is the heart of the universe. Do you know that? It is the heart of the universe and it is lethargic. It can be proved. You can ask the question, "Is London, is England heart of the universe?" You will get vibrations on this point. You'll start getting the cool breeze. Any other question? There are some very good people today, I can feel it. Man at first inaudibly, then: How does Sahaj Yoga influence a man's, or a woman's, personal destiny, how would man or a woman who's got a question in his mind, sort-of, as he goes through life, you know, this was going to be in the bar, but who's going to... when you beating a headache. [UNCLEAR] He's [disconnected?]- Shri Mataji: You see the thoughts- Man: ...[unclear] next life and if so, so where I'm going to be, what am I going to do for...? Shri Mataji: What am I going to do? Yes, these questions. These questions come to you either from the future or from the past. You think of the past or of the future, but not of the present. One thought comes and goes into the past. Another thought comes, goes into the past. Sometimes you get your thoughts even from your past and in between these thoughts there's a little space. Your attention cannot stay there, but after the Realization your attention is there in the present. When the Kundalini rises above this point, you become thoughtlessly aware, nirvichar samadhi, thoughtlessly aware. Aware but thoughtlessly, which is called as nirvichar, means thoughtless samadhi, "dhi" means awareness, samadhi: when it is balanced. And when it pierces through your fontanel bone area, then you become completely relaxed; the drama is over, and we start feeling the cool breeze. Just now many of you are in thoughtless awareness, try to see if you are thinking, watch My thing here and see if you are thinking. Many would have liked to ask Me questions but because of that they are not asking, because no thought is coming. You are listening to Me, you are very aware, but no thought is coming. It's a very difficult state normally it's not possible, but your Kundalini does that. Lady: Is it not possible to arouse the Kundalini prematurely. I've understood about the Kundalini all my life and have been taught that if the person is not spiritually advanced sufficiently, then the power when it is aroused prematurely, can burn up, sort of, the other chakras and insanity can even happen - Shri Mataji: Yes Lady: - if the person's not spiritually advanced enough when it is aroused. Shri Mataji: All right, I'll tell you all about it. Lady: Yes? Shri Mataji: Please be seated. You see most of these people who talk of Kundalini, have no authority to raise Kundalini. Lady: I'm talking about Madam Blavatsky Have You heard about - Shri Mataji: Do you think she had authority? Lady: Yes, I do. Shri Mataji: I don't think so, I'm sorry. Because none of these things will happen to you if you're authorized by God. On the contrary, on the contrary, it is such a blissful experience. She wrote it many have written, I have already told you, but what they have done is unauthorized behavior. Like a villager supposing comes to city, who has never seen the lights, all right? And puts his fingers direct into the plugs and says, "Oh! I got a fright." Its like that only; they have no knowledge of Kundalini, nothing and no authority, you cannot put the authority upon yourself, it's something that is with you, you are born with it. They just say... you believe it, I don't know why you believe it, if she has - Lady: Was something dangerous. Shri Mataji: But what has she done? Has she given to anybody Realization? Lady: I think so, yes. Shri Mataji: Whom? Lady: Quite a few people. Shri Mataji: Whom? Lady: I wouldn't like to name [unclear]- Shri Mataji: Nobody! Not one person not a single soul. Realization is a very different thing: then you talk like Kabir, you talk like an authority. Not a single soul has been given Realization. I don't want to bring in people because no use having controversies. For Me she's also another seeker. But those who appropriate these properties within themselves, but show if they have given Realization to anyone. What do you expect out of Realization is collective consciousness, Jung has said it. None of her disciples... I've yet to come across any disciple who has got collective consciousness. For example a gentleman came to me he said, "My Kundalini's awakened." I said, "How do you know?" He said, "I know I have got it." So, "But how?" I said, "Can you tell me about this gentleman if he has got his Realization or not? What is the center catching in him, can you tell me?" He said, "No how can I tell?" Then you haven't got Realization. As soon as you get your Realization immediately you can start feeling your centers and others' centers; even children can tell you. That's the sign of a realized soul; it's not self certification. All right? It should happen within you by which you can feel it. You can say by feeling that, "Yes, this gentleman is catching on this..." One gentleman came and asked Me, "Mother, why everybody is asking about my father? Anybody who comes to me who are Sahaja Yogis, they come and ask me, 'What about your father?' What's the matter?" I said, "Because there's a center for a father, which is catching." You put ten children, if they are realized, and bind them and ask them to put hands towards one person. Ask them, "What's wrong with him?" He'll say this. That means the person feels guilty for nothing at all -this finger, means this left Vishuddhi, this. Every one will say the same, because truth is same. If you have reached the absolute, there should be no difference of opinion whatsoever, how can there be? Relativity comes only when there is no absolute. I don't want to criticize anyone nor to bring any controversies, all right? You are all dear to Me, but I am just telling you that don't believe into things. Today I am before you. Forget all that. Have it. After Realization you will know who was realized and who was not realized, before that no use talking. I praise here William Blake and there I denounced Lord Byron: there must be some reason for it. But you can see in the language into everything, what an authority William Blake had. And this crying baby, crying for God, shows that they are in separation. It is as simple as that. A lady who has met her husband, who is in love with him, you can see from her face. And the one whose husband is away, who is pining for him, you can see on her face. Very apparent. But for a realized soul it is very easy to know. I'll tell you Lord Mount Batten was a realized soul .You won't believe that. Man: I would. Shri Mataji: But his Lady Plevesky was not. Lord Mountbatten was a realized soul, I told some people about it, just by-the-way. And one day we were watching the TV and some of the Sahaj Yogis were sitting. Suddenly they got vibrations they said, "What?" I said, "This is it." I mean they may look to be very simple, ordinary people, mundane type, they might be realized souls. How will you know? That's what I'm saying. The gentleman who asked Me question has disappeared now, he must have come from some church, he doesn't want to give that up. I said, "How will you know Christ? How will you know?" Forget about all that, makes no difference. Mr. Phillip who's sitting here, when I asked him, "How many Gurus you have been and what books you have read," he gave me such a big, you see, papers, bundle of papers, which I didn't know how am I to read that, no! Thank God he read so many, so he was not identified with any one, thank God. So it can be anything, but so far we have not found it, so why accept anyone whatsoever. You have to just accept yourself that's all; Sahaj Yoga is as simple as that. You ask a simple question before Me, "Mother, am I the Spirit? Or am I my own teacher?" You are your own teacher, but you have to get Realization for that. Before that, the Mother is your teacher. But once you get your Realization, you are your own teacher. Now let's see. Put your hands towards Me please. Just like this. Both the feet are to be on the ground. Just like this. And close also. Because when Kundalini rises above this Christ [UNCLEAR], this dilation of the pupils takes place and if the eyes are not closed...[microphone is bumped.] Don't push your attention anywhere, do not force yourself into anything, just keep your attention loose, don't think about anything, it will just work out, the Kundalini has to rise. Firstly you'll find you are thoughtlessly aware and then you will find a cool breeze flowing in your hand. It's very simple as that. Now what I do is to conceive you in My heart, and give you immaculate birth through your Sahasrara, through your fontanel bone area. Do not feel guilty; one thing please do not do is to feel guilty. Actually all of you should say, "I am not guilty." Is a very common disease of the West. What are you guilty about? I mean what sins can you commit compared to the Ocean of Love of God. I am talking of the Ocean of Love. So be kind to yourself. If the light has to come in you, be kind to yourself. You are the shrine of the Spirit. Now please do not blame yourself for anything. [Shri Mataji rubs Her hands together and blows on them while giving Realization.].

7/4/1981

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Public Program. Norwich (UK), 4 July 1981. Shri Mataji : [disrupted recording] I have come to Norwich before also once and always I had a desire to come to Norwich though the response last time was rather disappointing for all the Sahaja yogis and they were not very anxious to come down here. But I know for definite that there are lots of seekers in this place. And they are involved into things which they will realize very soon are of no benefit. There are seekers and seekers in this world. My experience I have seen that some seekers are true seekers and ultimately they come to the truth. They discard everything that is artificial, that is not the truth. They go on working it out as in Sanskrit it is said, "Neti, Neti," go on saying, "Not this, not this," rejecting, and then you come to the truth. It happens. But there could be some who are fake in the sense that as you have got fake gurus, you have got also fake seekers. They just start seeking out of fashion. But in this Norwich of yours, I must say, whether people like it or not you have really very good seekers. And they have to come to the truth. It is rather difficult to make them understand that seeking is not a shopping. We cannot go on shopping. You see you have one guru, you go and see another one, you go and see another from Christianity to Islam, this and that. You go on moving and then ultimately you form a habit of seeking. You go on seeking. Like a momentum it goes on working. And the seeking goes on and on and on. And you reach a point where you find that you cannot change your habit of seeking. Even when you have found the truth, it's like a rat race. Is a seeking race, I have seen in this world has set in. Now the seeking has started because the time has come. The time has come for fulfillment of that seeking. That's why the seeking has started. But we must logically understand what are we to seek and what are the ways and methods of discriminating between the real and the unreal. Even logically you can understand that We have had great prophets and great incarnations like that of Christ on this earth and all their Advents have left us with great understanding of what to expect of a real person. The first thing is that you cannot pay for divine love. You cannot pay. Just you cannot pay for it. It has got nothing to do with money business nothing at all. You cannot do any courses. Imagine people doing courses in spiritual life. I mean, you mean to say that those who cannot afford, those who are poor, they cannot get their realization? It is very simple as that. Money is your problem. You have created money, not God. God doesn't understand money. It is impossible. How to understand money? It is very difficult. God doesn't know what money is and what does he care for your money? And this is one of the things which some of the Gurus have tried. It is to take money from you. Once you start paying the money, it's a human nature; you see if you have paid for something, you continue with it. Like you go to a show. The other day we went to see one drama, some play and both of us didn't like it at all. I mean my husband, Me, we didn't like the thing. But he said, "Now we've paid for it and the driver will be coming later. So, what's the use of getting out now?" So, we just continued with it till it finished. It is like that. We've paid for it; so better go through it. But it is not so simple as seeing a play. It could be very, very dangerous. So, first of all this payment, which is a negative thing, has been used with a double wedge. First of all you pay them and secondly they use you for them. It's a double wedge. The second thing is that you cannot put in any effort for it. Because if it is a living force, it's an evolutionary force and it has to happen to you, then you cannot pay for it. How much did you pay for Christ? Christ coming, did you pay anything? Now, of course, people are paying for everything, but that time? Payment is one thing, and effort should be another thing one should be away from. You pay nothing, you put in no effort for becoming a human being. No effort at all. But it is difficult to understand that you can put in. You cannot put in any effort for God. It is spontaneous. It is a living force like a flower becoming a fruit without any effort putting into it. Just it becomes. It is built in. It is spontaneous, Sahaja. Effort is also double-edged thing. Supposing I tell you that you stand on your heads and you'll get God, you'll do it. .I know you'll do it, and you'll do it day in and day out. You can. I have seen people chanting certain mantras which has no meaning, which is all nonsense, which is absolute nonsense, paying three thousand pound for it. And chanting that mantra day in and day out, becoming mad with that, without even thinking about it because you can do it. Whatever you can do, it is human, isn't it? God does something, which you cannot. If somebody says you have to jump, take out your clothes, jump in the air, go on saying something, all that's it. That's sufficient. They can do it. Taking out your clothes or color them into something, make it into a uniform, people like it that way. The other day only a suggestion came to me that better make some uniforms for Sahaja yogis and I was amazed at that. But people get very much impressed by uniforms, by the outside, by the gross. And this effort is such a ego pampering stuff that people do it. They just do it because they like it you see. They'll say also very proudly, "Oh, I am doing Hatha yoga," without even understanding that this, these asanas or these physical exercises is a wee bit, a very little wee bit of the whole of Patanjali Yoga Shastra. And that this little bit that you do is, also must relate to your Kundalini, to your chakras, to your state at which you are. You are taking the whole medicine box into your stomach, very indiscriminate. So this is also used by these people. You cannot put in any effort you. You cannot pay for it. Then the third one is even subtle. That is, people think that they can intellectualize it, they can rationally reach it. So they listen to lectures. Oh, very good lectures. They think by reading something, reading books, you are going to get it. I mean, there are books and books and books. So far none of these great people have written, Christ has written no book. It is very difficult to write also. They wanted me to write. I said, "It's impossible. I just don't know how to start and how to end it. The truth and the knowledge is so great." So they use this to satisfy your intellectual feats, you see. They will go on saying that you jump on to this and then jump onto that and jump onto that and jump onto that, jump into that and, you'll see, find you are back in the seat. I have seen there are funny organizations also which teach like, let us imagine that we are in that new awareness, now imagine. Can you imagine? Now supposing that you imagine even that you are monkeys. Can you jump like that? I mean how can you imagine like that? It's like a very nice story I read in my childhood. It impressed me very much. It is known as Punishment of [Unclear: Shahapez]. There was one gentleman called Shahapage and he was supposed to be an architect. He came, a hypocrite and an imposter. He came to a King and said, "I want to build a huge big palace for you, and I am such and such." He had all fake certificates with him. And the King believed him and he gave him lot of land to him and said, "Now go ahead. You spend this money - whatever you want you can have it - and make a big huge palace for me." And he, after six months he said, "Now, the palace is ready". When the King went there, it was just the same. There was nothing done. He said, "Oh, you cannot see because you have gross eyes. It is there," he said. Really, he befooled him. First the King was wondering, "What's the matter with this man?" but he was a clever intelligent man. He could understand that. He said, "Now see, this is a big palace. This is your darba. This is your big Court where you enter in and this is the place where you sit. This is the throne made of gold where you sit very comfortably and here are the people who will be sitting there and receiving you and all that." The King smiled and he took him around a little bit and said, "Now I am very much satisfied with your work. You have done tremendously well. I could not imagine anyone working it out that good." He said, "Now may I request you that you sit on the throne as I would like to award you this special gift that you can sit on the throne not the King." Poor man, he had to go on sitting like that. He said, "You go on sitting. It's very comfortable. Enjoy yourself." He was tired, absolutely tired. He said, "Better be seated," and then he fell at the feet of the King and said that, "I am sorry for all that I have done." So to imagine that you are this and imagine that and to be identified, to be befooled like that, is not the way seeking is going to be. We have to get it. We have to actualize it. It has to happen to us. Do we understand that we are going in a circle all the time? Any guru comes; you are with them. Another guru comes and you are with them. It's a shopping, as I said, going on, and it is very difficult to make them stop. There is a fellow who has written a book about Me, and a big book, and he came to me. He said, "Mother, I know now I have found the truth. This is the truth I have found myself, no doubt. I have got that vibrations. I have got collective consciousness. I have seen the Kundalini rising. I have seen with my own eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini. You can see it yourself. Everything I have seen and I am giving realizations to others but still I think I have to still seek." I said, "Why?" "Because it has become a second nature with me to seek." I said, "Now will you stop that rat race of seeking?" And now he is all right. This is what it is. You cannot play games with yourselves. You cannot go on like this. We have to stop it at a point. One has to know that Divine has nothing to gain from you. Truth has nothing to gain from you. Truth stands on its own glory, in its dignity. It doesn't need anything from you, does it? What can you do to adorn? What can you put on that? What can you give to that? How can you add to that? It's only you are adorned. It is only you gain it. If you get the truth it is you who has been enlightened. It's not the truth that is going to receive anything from you, is it? If that is your idea then you are sadly mistaken. You cannot pay for truth. Truth is there. It is there. Reality is there. How can you pay for it? Just think of it that we are paying for something that exists, that is there. How can you pay for it? And what effort can we put in? Say this room is very beautiful; it is very beautifully done. To see this, it is there. You just see it. I mean someday somebody may put a ticket for it - that's a different point - but to see it you don't have to put any effort. If you have eyes you can see, but if you have no eyes, then? Then something has to be done. But not you; you cannot do it. Like, as I last time told you, these candles who are not enlightened cannot do anything about their enlightenment. Some enlightened light has to enlighten them. So this is the fourth point, which they use. That you have to have a guru. Without a guru, how will you be saved? Even your evolution took place through some leader coming in. So somebody has to be there. So, they jump in. The market is created and they are imported here very nicely through Norwich. It's easier, perhaps, because of the port being there, perhaps. And because we do not know what to seek, we fall a prey to it. I have told you already that whatever you can do is yours, is human, but whatever God can do, is His own. You cannot transform one flower into fruit, leave alone the billions and billions of them, and that is His job. He has to do it. And that power has to flow through someone to do it. So this is the fourth point they arrive at. "Oh, He is a Guru. You should be absolutely obedient to that person. You should not ask any questions. If you ask questions, you cannot get your realization." Today's subject is like that. That's why I am moving in that line, you see. They said, "You talk on this, Mother." Like we had one lady coming from Norway. She stayed with me and she argued morning till evening; she just argued with me. I asked her, "Where have you been?" She said, "I have been to many Gurus". I said, "Did you argue with them?" She said, "No." "Which one was your last?" She said the last one was the Lama who came from Tibet. All right, everybody come from Tibet is a Lama now! And whether those Lamas have anything to do with God, nobody knows, but as long as they come in those tattered clothes, oh, they are great. If they come like so-called detached people, people accept them. It's a circus. But the worst was when he came, this special gentleman. He told the people who called that, "If you want to have me there you'll have to make a house with marble floor." Imagine! In Norway to have marble! In India, it is all right; it's cheaper there." So poor things starved themselves for one year, lived on potatoes perhaps - after all young people don't have so much money even in Norway. I don't know how they must have managed, and they made one floor of marble for these parasites to come in. And this fellow came down and he would sit on a thing like that and she said, "We had to enter from a door and bow to that fellow one thousand and one times." One boy finished. "What about arguments?" I said." She said, "Arguments? We were so fagged out and tired, we walked off." One thousand and one time to bow. They had to take to very loose clothing because with tight clothes they couldn't do it. "Oh, terrible it was!" she said. "What did he teach?" She said, "Oh, if you cannot do it, you cannot reach even one step forward." Yesterday I heard of another organization, where they have some steps. You have to go up the steps and stand there and bang your head with some thing, coconut or something. Then you drop down, make some circus there, and then you have reached the fifth step. All this is nonsense. Don't believe in all these nonsensical things. This is absolute nonsense. You have got Christ before you to understand. Did he do all this nonsensical things? He lived a very normal life and a person who is a realized soul is the most normal person. He doesn't have any eccentricities. He doesn't go into tantrums. He doesn't bother about comfort. He doesn't bother about food or anything. He is Lord of himself. You cannot capture that person. You cannot. And such a personality you can develop because you are a seeker. This is one point which they have caught up is that you do not achieve anything with these people, nothing at all. Like, they'll say, "Oh, I have raised your Kundalini." "How?" "Because you are jumping like a frog." Can you imagine? Jumping like a frog! Is that you are seeking? It is so superficial. You see, people are so superficially built up. They are so superficial that they believe in such nonsensical things. They are not seekers. They just go to a lecture, just to hear some lecture, and they'll think, "Oh, I am jumping like a frog." Now, are we going to become frogs or worms? We are going to become higher personalities, higher people. Then it comes to us what higher things we have achieved from these people. Have we achieved anything? Nothing whatsoever. Nothing whatsoever. What are we to achieve? As Christ has said, you are to be born again. Something very important, you are to be born again. Now what is that? That means some sort of an artificial baptism done by somebody. Putting some water on your head, do you get born again? Do you get? Like an egg you put in and you just put in some water. Now you are a bird. Does it become a bird? Imagine it is a bird, can you, will it become? Even if you give a nice dress to a child and the child goes in before the thing and you have a nice champagne party but will the egg become the bird? Put yourself to that then. It's time now for us to face it. Like the other day we had somebody in Cambridge. He came forward with a great gusto. He said, "I can understand all other people like Buddha" - according to him they are all wasted - "Buddha, Mohammed. But Christ, he said. I said, "What do you think of Christ?" He said, "Christ is something special." I said, "Yes, it is so. Then what? What have you done about him?" He said, "I believe in Christ." I said, "Really? And what have you achieved out of that?" You believe as if you see it is like adorning Christ by saying, "I believe in Christ." What have we achieved? Have you awakened Him within yourself? Has He given you any powers of your spirit? This is the last thing one should know that we have to achieve the powers of our spirit. Everything that is said into all the scriptures has to be proved. Everything must have a meaning. Otherwise we are living in a fool's paradise. You must accept it. You have to see that it is [unclear] you have to see that, not rationally but by experiencing it. So, just now as he must have told you, how the Kundalini rises and it pierces through the fontanel bone area and you get the cool breeze in your hand. This is what is described as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Everywhere, I mean Mohammed Sahab has described it as Ruh - R-U-H - Ruh. It's cool breeze, in every scripture. Of course, I mean in Indian scriptures, because you see that country didn't have problems as you have here. Our nature is very good and kind to us. People could live in the forests and could manage. They had time to concentrate on their spirits and to find out the truths about life and they have found out. In the sixth century we had a great saint born in that country called as Adi Shankaracharya who has very elaborately talked about Kundalini, about realization, what to expect, what are the centers, how it works. After that we had Kabir, very lately about 200 years back. Then we had Nanak. Nanaka compiled all the great works of all the realized souls and put them in a book called as Granth Sahab, which these horrible Sikhs are reading morning till evening. You see, it called as Akhanda Path. They do it for two and a half days. Can you imagine? Madness. They go on reading. And the last point they reach, one person reads say for about two hours. He puts his finger there. Then another one joins in. There should be no gap left, go on reading like mad. By reading are you going to reach to God? And they are reading that, written there, that by reading that you don't go to God. [Unclear, they are saying] why don't you look into your self? You have to find it within yourself. They are reading, singing also. Who is going to look into? Like if I say that you have to take this medicine, say a particular medicine Anacin for your headache, you go on reading the prescription, "You have to take Anacin. You have to take Anacin." You'll have a greater headache. You can never get cured. I mean, anything they try to do, human beings know how to make a mess out of it. Now at least you realize that I am here to tell you that don't make a confusion of everything. This is a very confused times. This is all described also. This is a time of confusion. But keep yourselves alert and try to understand that if it is the truth, you have to actualize it. It cannot be brain-washing. You have to really actualize; you have to feel it within yourself. Like anybody who comes and says, "I have got realization. Really? My Kundalini is up there, Mother. I am all right. My Guru has done it. He jumps like a frog, actually." So, asked him, "How do you know that you are realized? Why do you believe your Guru?" He said, "Why I am jumping like a frog?" I don't know what to say! I feel quite peaceful. If you go to a pub also you might feel peaceful for the time being. Is that the way to look at it? Your awareness has to get to some new dimension. What is the new dimension you have reached in your awareness? You have to become collectively conscious. You have to become, again I'll say become, become is the point. While you see, do you feel your centers on your fingers? Do your feel the centers of other people? Do you feel? If not, you have not achieved anything. You are just the same what you were, perhaps worst if not better. And this is what I feel that this place, Norwich, is really invaded by such people. Last time a lady was there who told me about somebody who is now found out to be hoax. I told her, "What have you got from him?" "Oh! I am in love with him." I mean, how many women in love with one man? I don't understand this nonsense. Such a confusion, such a confusion." And the negative forces, the satanic forces are taking advantage of it because you are seekers. They are going to attack you; they are going to attack this Norwich again and again because there are seekers here. They always attack. They know. Moreover, we do not know that even when a child is born of a very high quality, in the childhood only they work out something. But what impresses us most is the way they act. They create an act. Actually they study it very well and the second is the way they mesmerize, the way they hypnotize you completely. You don't know where you are going. We have here somebody who has been a head of a TM in Scotland. And he ended up with the epilepsy of his wife, his own epilepsy and the child getting epilepsy. It's a fact. In the beginning of Sahaja Yoga in India we would not allow any TM person to come in because we could not handle it. They are so badly hypnotized, we could not. But now in England I have managed it. But with the experiences that these people have now, we find that after getting realization also, if you are not careful, you'll be attacked. You'll be attacked. It's a very difficult thing to do Sahaja yoga in a way for Me, not so much for you. Because I have to really look after all of you. Because you do not know, it's like a small little chicks coming out of the eggs. And then anything can jump. One has to do with great patience, understanding and love. Because you do not know what you are facing, because Mr. Ego is there or superego is there, something is there. You are not there all the time. Even with realization the Kundalini drops down. Like a small seedling, I am told that people are farmers here. They will understand. It's very essential to look after them to give them water again and again. With the heat they may dry off, with too much water they may become rotten. With anything trampling on that they can be ruined. It's a very risky game. And one has to work out with Me today. Now in London I must say that we have lots of Sahaja yogis. They are Sahaja yogis because they are realized souls. They are, and you will be too. But just getting the realization one feels also great. "Oh, I felt very fine Mother." "All right, then?" "I felt extremely relaxed. I am enjoying it," and after one year they come back. "Oh, Mother, I have lost everything." Because this is a very crucial time of a month, which must be looked after, at least a month. And you get it so easily that you do not recognize it and you do not know how to maintain it. That is the problem. Even if you recognize it, you get so drenched with it that you forget that you have to maintain it. In Indian villages it's a different story. They are not touched by this. They are not interested. They are all interested in the West where the money is. You see, it's like, where the sugar is, all the flies will fly. Luckily my husband got elected to this job by so many countries, and I came to England. Actually I just came by chance, I should say all by Divine plan. That's how I am here. Of course, I mean, there are many coming to India but somehow the Indian Sahaja yogis found it very difficult to adjust the Western people .For many reasons because people who are Indians in India are very different from Indians who come here. They are not so materialistic, simple people in the villages. They are simple and they are not attacked. Main thing they think they are not attacked. Nobody is interested, these gurus and all that, not interested in the villages. I work in the villages of India. And this is what we have to know that we are attacked more because of our affluence. And one more point because you are saints. You are seekers. Seekers are born in these western countries. Perhaps I feel that they are to be comfortable. That was the design that they should have no problem financially. That's why you get doles here; nowhere in the world you people can get doles. They don't understand. This was providence, for you now to meditate, to achieve that, for you were born for this purpose only. This time is the judgment time. The Last judgment has started. The first important people are the saints are the seekers. I am not interested in non-seekers at all. I am not interested. I am not bothered about them. At the time being, I'd say now I am not bothered. Maybe later on. Just now I am only bothered about giving realization to people who are seeking and establishing that. That's all is my problem. And that's what you must face. You must know that you are seekers. You have to get it and establish within yourselves. This is the truth that you are made as an instrument of God's power and now you'll be connected to the mains by His powers only, by his Divine love, and that the power will start flowing through you. You'll be manifesting that power through your spirit and you'll see for yourself and enjoy that. Thank God, in Cambridge now we have many Sahaja yogis. But My first experience in Cambridge was horrifying, second was even worse. Then the, I think the fourth attempt, one great Sahaja yogi from London went down. He is not here today. He has gone to Spain now to work it out there, to Cambridge. And he got lots of people there and the center has started and a good center has started, people are working it out very well. It is so enjoyable, you see their faces, you can make out, so relaxed just like flowers. They are not abnormal people. That's how you have to also have it because you are seekers. Today whatever they are, you are going to be the same. You deserve it. It's your own. This is what you are seeking. This is what you should have. But we couldn't find even one person in Norwich last time who was up to the mark to run a center. The reason - I would not say that there are not people of quality here, they are - but the reason is they are very much attacked, very much attacked of which they are not aware. And this time again when I said, "Why not Norwich?" Everybody said, "Oh, Mother!" I said, "No I am going to go." And I hope this time you'll do some justice to yourself and your place. It has a special significance which I will tell later on, not now. Sometime I'll tell you why Norwich. May God bless you. Have any questions please? One may say, "Why me?" This one question could be, "Why Me?" I mean, I'd say that you better be in My place. I'll be very happy. I don't need anything in life except that I see that reaching you, I want you to give your own, that's all. This light is there. It is giving you light. Do we say, "Why do you give the light? Why not these walls?" I mean, that's the purpose. What is there to feel hurt about it? Even I don't know many things that you know, really I tell you I'm so [unclear: backdated?] in so many things that you can't imagine, I can't even sign a cheque. Till today I have to ask somebody, "Where do I sign?" I'm so hopeless. I mean, I have so many defects you can't imagine, as far as the human norms are concerned. But I mean, if I know something I know that. So what is there to feel bad? And I want you to know. I want you to get it. People can't understand that if somebody really loves, really, then we can't help it. And She can't help it. She has to love. It emits, just flows. You can't help it. Any other questions? Oh! he didn't tell you? All right. Sahaja, Saha means with you, ja means born. It's born with you. Yoga means union with God. The right you get to God, right to know your spirit is born with you, is spontaneous. It is spontaneous like a seed; it sprouts spontaneously, automatically. You cannot explain the mystery of spontaneity, can you? That is what Sahaja is. Sahaja means born with you. Also another derivated meaning means simple. Sahaja means simple, easy. But Sahaja, saha means "with" and "ja" is born with you, spontaneous, innate. Like we breathe spontaneously. You don't have to read books or pay for it, do we? In the same way your realization is a evolutionary process. And it has to be; it has to work out. The Divine has to work it out. Otherwise God, will lose his name. He'll lose his reputation. He'll lose the meaning for which he has created this Earth. He has to do it. It is He who is gracious. You'll be amazed, people who are getting realization. I'm Myself amazed at Myself or I should say I'm amazed at this graciousness of Divine. Even people who are punished by all laws of the world get realization. Even in the jail, in the lunatic asylum. Can you believe it? A lady came to see me from lunatic asylum. She got her realization and they wouldn't take her back. They said, "You are normal now." Its tremendous, the way the grace has come on this Earth. [unclear: really] it has descended. No, no, no. I must tell you about this one. It's very important. In India, you see, every married woman has to wear it. It's a sign of a married lady, you see. It's something like your ring or something outwardly, but inwardly it's very deep. It is placed at a point where this is the window of the center of Christ. And you can say this is the symbol of his blood. Looking at this point you can get thoughtlessly aware. Looking at this point you can get thoughtlessly aware because Christ in you can be awakened. When you look at this point, Christ is awakened in you. And Christ came on this Earth to suck in our ego and super ego, means the sin, so-called sin. He is the one who has sucked, who has the power to suck our sins, if He is awakened. But He has to be awakened. Just not by saying that we're Christians. He said, "You will be calling Me Christ, and Christ I won't recognize." He is to be awakened within us. Now if I say that you watch here, there has to be a mark, isn't it? And when you watch that, you'll see, as Christ is awakened within Me, he'll be awakened within you also and you'll become thoughtlessly aware. There won't be any thought. It's very helpful. This is not a caste mark or anything which people think. It's written in the Bible that those who will be saved will be known in John's Gospel revelation that a mark they wear. This is that mark. I don't want Sahaja yogis to wear that mark, you know, because in England they'll start some sort of a ruling against it. It is not necessary. It is there. It exists. But Indians who have come from India, they don't wear it. I was amazed. I mean, every married woman, see, for her this is a very big thing. She has to wear it. I asked them, "Why don't you wear?" They said, "Everybody laughs so we don't want to wear it." I said, "Why do they laugh?" They said, "They never appreciate anything, never appreciate. They'll just laugh at you." I said, "But you can say we can laugh at your lipstick. Why should they laugh at you?" They said, "That's why we stopped it." But it's a sign of a widow. Just imagine! I mean, they said, "If you have to survive you have to remove it." I said, "Let them laugh. Why to worry? When you understand the significance, you don't want to declare that you are a widow, so why, this is also another sign of a married life." In India a married life and a married woman is the most respected thing, is the most respected, and she has to wear nine marks because she is so respected. She is like a Goddess. I mean, she is regarded as the Goddess of the family. That is how we maintain our family system. It is so important. Now you realize it that the house wife is a deity. There is a center for it within us. That doesn't mean that men are in any way less. I mean, the men are the kinetic energy and the women are the potential energy. I mean we have no fight with them. It's question of understanding our rules in life. It's completely equal but not similar. It gives you more peace, and happiness and joy, isn't it? Now supposing my nose is placed here and my eyes are placed here. Will I be able to manage life? In the same way everybody has a rule and a place. And these things help. In no ways you can see that our Prime Minister is a woman. And so many ministers are women in India. We have to maintain certain decency and decorum and the dignity of a lady. It's there but there are many bad things in it. So many that I can't count. So it's better not to accept everything that is Indian as something great. Now they are becoming, they are developing, you see, so they are acquiring lots of plastics and acrylics. I have to carry nylons to India, can you imagine? When we have silks, they don't like it. They want nylons as presents and a nylon sari is regarded as the greatest present for an Indian lady who must be having 150 silk saris. We have to learn from you quite a lot. What to do? They came here to make money. They have become materialistic, absolutely materialistic. They go on counting pennies just like you do. I mean, absolutely it's horrible thing. And to make up for them all the gurus have also come here. That's what you are importing. And I am ashamed of them. But they cannot befool Indians that much as they can befool you because you are naïve. A fellow whom I knew very well went to Germany and he made a lot of money. When he came back, I asked him, "How did you manage?" And he was a vagabond, absolutely a horrible fellow. And he said, "It's very easy. I wore a saffron clothes and things like that and I took another fellow with me and we sat in one of the big squares. And he said that this is a guru, has come from Himalayas and this and that. All the money started coming in. They don't know any mantras. They don't know any Sanskrit. They don't know anything and the whole thing worked out. Now this is a realized soul. Now do you know that he/she is a realized soul? How will you know if she is a realized soul? Unless and until you are realized you won't know, she is a born realized. There are many born realized in this country. How are we to know? You have no knowledge. And all that is unknown is not Divine. You must try to understand through logic and then it will work out. Rationally, you cannot understand because rationality can go anywhere. I have seen people who have robbed banks, taken away other people's money, can also rationally explain it but logic is very different. Logic is based on wisdom and on sustaining. Any other question? Question [not clear] It's correct. What you say is correct that Indian music has come through the seers. Indian music has not come through experimentation. It has come through the sages and they have used this Om. You see the Kundalini rising. When she rises, you see these seven chakras. She creates the seven notes and they, whatever they have been keeping up, is the melodies which are pleasing to your spirit. And that's why if you are spiritually endowed, I mean we had now a very big program of one realized soul who came, is Pandit Jasraj in London. You will be amazed there was not a single Indian who attended it, not a single Indian. All were westerners. Can you believe it? Indian people and India are two different things, I think, sometimes especially those who are here. Not one person attended his programs, while he was fantastic. You see, the whole thing, even the natya shastras what you call the Drama, is based, the whole science is based on Spirit. If you read the Natya shastra, it's completely what words to be used, what is to be said to create a certain mood. Even the romance is based on Dharma, is based on sustenance. I agree with you there, absolutely true, but everything we have lost. That heritage we have lost! We are all English now. Artificially English, not really. I mean if you meet an English man, maybe he may speak little cockneyed but you might find an Indian speaking perfect Cambridge English you see. Super! And you won't be able to make it out whether he is an Indian or an English man but for his color. With the tailcoats the same. They have copied you very well, no doubt. But it's a copy, in aesthetics, in understanding. Now the other day we had a very good program in that Mermaid thing. I was the only single Indian there enjoying that, only single Indian. They don't grow with [unclear :it and you have]. You are the people who are going to appreciate them more than they can appreciate their own heritage now. Here, these boys, they go to buy Indian music and there are Indian boys who are buying jazz or some cheap music. And when they are asked, "Why do you buy them?" they say, "There's lot of speed in it, you see. We want speed now because we are very lethargic. So, we want some speed." Indian music builds up, you see. Slowly, slowly it rises and then it gets [unclear: raised]. It can be very speedy. It doesn't start from the very beginning like a shock, "Dha-dha-dha-dha." But they don't understand. It's very surprising that Indian Music is now surviving because of you people, not because of Indians, because you are spiritually endowed. I am very happy to know that you have seen that beauty. It is because of your spiritual advancement, that's all. But Indian people in the villages are still very Indian. You see, we are westernized, westernized, are copying, aren't they? Many people in India believe that Christ was born in England. Do you know that? Especially the converted Christians. For them an English man is at least a second cousin of Christ. What to do? This is the situation. And the other day I addressed a conference of Asian Women, the way they were fighting, our rights and this and that. I was amazed. I was amazed at them. I mean any Indian Conference like that I cannot imagine Indian women fighting like hooligans. "Oh God!" I just said, "What has happened to them? How could they behave like that? They have forgotten all the decency, the decorum, the grace that an Indian woman has to represent." I was amazed. Then I told them, very frankly, that, "You are becoming horribly materialist and you'll even have the culture which is worst than the labour class, even worst and worst of that, the way you are moving!" You'll be amazed, to earn money people have come from India who belong to very good families, and they working in Heathrow cleaning, sweeping. They have become sweepers. They wear gold bangles up to this much. They are not ashamed. In India let them go and even clean their own bathrooms, they won't do. It's shameful. It's a fact. I feel ashamed of them. No wonder you people don't like them. I mean, I can see that because they are not really Indian. And when I told them, "No, don't copy them. You should know about your own culture." Do they know anything? They won't even know the names of ragas and the melodies. They won't even know the names of great artists we have in our country. Nothing! Such shallow people. I don't know what has impressed them so much but you will find it out. Especially the English have done some good to us. I must say that they are very scholarly people. They have done some good to bring forth the beauty of our architecture, beauty of our creativity all those things. They are connoisseurs. We are artists, no doubt. You won't believe how we have deteriorated. We are developed, you see. We are getting plastics in our families. For a very elite family where they have silver in the house, all right, it's more important to have stainless steel. If you give them a glass, say of crystal, they won't like it, but this glass is the best. If it is plastic, it's even better. Went to somebody's house, a very rich man. "Oh," he said, "I have a wonderful thing. Would like to see that? Oh, wonderful! You'll be amazed. It's such a beautiful thing I have got." I said, "What is it?" Took me to his room. You wont believe that he showed me one of these bloated plastics, you see, which makes a sofa-like thing. He said, "See now, you can fold it. You can again blow in." He had removed all his [unclear: cart] furniture. "This is so beautiful and it has colors." He was in America for at least eleven years and this is what he picked up! To admire plastics. But this is what is happening. You see when people contaminate others they just leave whatever is wrong. You should never copy anyone. We should be what we are. Why should we copy? What is the need? God has created this Universe with different varieties, so beautiful to see, isn't it? All these cultures, different things, are so beautiful. Imagine, every tree looking alike like a military system standing there, all uniformed. How would you feel? So there is goodness about both the things but the best thing is that we understand the values that are Divine. For example, Stone Hedge in this country, it's a temple. But how will you know? How will you know what it is? Unless and until you have vibrations how will you know? As you have been so scholarly, you should be deeper into I, and achieve that awareness within you by which you can feel it. Unless and until you have that awareness, it's all blindness, isn't it? How are we to know? I don't see world as different. I don't see India and England because England is the Heart according to me of the Universe. And India has the Kundalini. Now the whole body of the Universe is one to me then how can I see it separate? I cannot see eyes separate and nose separate. I can't see Christ and Mohammed separate. I cannot see. I cannot understand, you see, in my concept. I cannot understand. They are in complete unison with each other. Absolute melody. Because they are absolute, they are ideal. We cannot think of something so perfect. England has to improve because it is the heart and India has to awaken. The heart is lethargic and they are sleeping. What am I to do? And Europe is the liver. Imagine, they are all drinking. God save the liver of the Universe. This is how I look at it. Because it is. Everything circulates through here. Laws, everything. You do not understand your importance; that's the main point. Everything circulates from here. If you could understand, you would reach some ideal conditions. It's the shape of a heart, too. Such a little thing compared to the Universe. They went up to China in a different way. That way they should not have gone, you see. But they did. Everything can circulate through here. But you must have proper blood, isn't it? Purified blood you must have. But India is the Kundalini. That's also very important. But I don't know if the seekers in England realize that. They are wiser than Americans. Americans are very shifty people. I am going to America. Keep your fingers crossed. I hope I'll come back in one. But I must say Americans are great seekers. Very great seekers, they are. But the guru shopping is too much there, too much Guru shopping. You ask any American, he'll give you a list of at least thirty to forty people he has been to. I have been to Russia. I have been all over. Somehow I have been. And I know the problems that exist everywhere. And there are many who are going to get realization. The young especially, they are going to get. Like Algeria. Algeria had a problem. Fundamentalists were taking over absolutely. The Government is still afraid of the fundamentalists. But when this Iran thing came up, of course, the Divine is also working it out. And when the Iran thing came up they started seeing the young people. Oh, God! This is fundamentalism. All this brutality. So they thought what to do now. They said, "If this is God, better run away from such a God." So, they were about to jump into communism, when one of them came. I mean, they had formed an organization. One of them came to London, got his realization. He gave realization to five hundred people, all engineers, doctors, young. The way we have found out because it's not a democratic country, but in Paris we have lots of them. That's how it is going to work out. It's a very subtle plan of the Divine. But let's see what all Norwich has to do in this big plan. All right. And to understand India, you must go to villages, not in the cities. Mostly take you to these horrible tourist places which are no more. You must see everything in its proper way. Whatever it is I am not here to make you Indians, nor am I there to make them English. I am criticized in England that, "She is trying to make them Hindus," and in India I am criticized that I am going to make them Christians. Can you believe it? To understand fanaticism, it is better to see all of them together, and you are amazed how they are fighting for what there isn't any truth in it. It's very funny, like I said that Christ's Mother was the Holy Ghost and the fifteen percent of the Sahaja yogis at that time resigned from Sahaja yoga. They couldn't believe that that could be so. They said, "She is the woman who was just crying all the time. How can she be a Holy Ghost? You see, the Holy Ghost in India is known as Adi Shakti. So, how can She be?" And Christ did not say She was the Holy Ghost because he didn't want people to attack Her; otherwise he would never have forgiven them. He said that whatever is done against him is all right but anything against the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven. And they just resigned. They said, "Oh, this lady is preaching Christianity. Beware of her." Now I have to wear a sari because I was born in India. I had to be born somewhere. If I had been born in Norwich I would be wearing dresses like you. But I was born in India, all right. It won't look nice for me to wear your dresses, isn't it? It will be copying. So you have to be born somewhere. This is very difficult thing for any Universal being to be born on this Earth and make people understand that you are Universal too. Only your Universality has not been awakened. Once you become, you forget all, you transcend all, and you just see the variety and enjoy it. Now should we have our realization? At the very outset I have to say that most of you will get realization, I am sure. But after that you have to keep the contact. And you have to continue with it; otherwise, you will lose it. I am sorry, that's the only thing one has to remember. You don't have to pay nothing, but you have to pay attention to yourself and respect your realization. That is the most important. That you are as a seeker and that if you have found it, you have to work it out and maintain it. Only connection is given but you have to maintain the connection, you see, because sometimes it could be loose. So we have to establish. With love and understanding and respect, put your hands like this. Both the feet on the ground and just hands like this. Here are the centers. These are the centers of the sympathetic right and left. If you can find out from the book that these are the ones which are seven centers - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 - and this is the center. Here is the fontanel bone area. So when it opens out, you start getting the cool breeze in the hand but before that when it crosses this center of Christ, then you get thoughtlessly aware. Nirvichar Samadhi. And when it crosses that you get your self-realization. It's that simple as that. It has to happen to you. It will happen to you but if it does not, you should not feel bad about it. We'll work it out again and it can happen. Like a person who knows swimming can save another person and then you learn swimming so you can save others. So those who are realized soul know how to raise your Kundalini. And if they have to raise your Kundalini, you should not mind. Now put your hands like this, just like this and close your eyes. Just close you eyes. Keep your eyes shut. The only thing is you have to ask for it. If you have no desire, nobody is going to force it. As Christ has said, you have to knock. You have to ask, ask for your realization. It's a very big thing you are asking. Just you have to ask that, "Mother, give me my realization" Just ask thrice you have to ask. Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? Are you feeling? Good. Are you? Not yet? Keep your eyes shut. It's better. Put your hands straight, straight like that. You have to forgive, forgive people. It's a big load. Just say, "I forgive. I forgive everyone." Just say that. It's a very big load because after all, if you do not forgive, who is suffering? You, not others. Just you have to say, "I forgive." Thrice you have to say, "I forgive. Mother I forgive everyone." Just say that; just say. You'll feel very much better. Much lighter. It's all right? All right. When you say, "I forgive," then only you can say, "Forgive me also if I have not paid full attention to my spirit." You can say that. That also to be said thrice. You can ask a question saying that, "Mother, am I the Spirit"? Ask a question. Very simple. You ask a question, "Mother am I the spirit?" See, it's working, answer coming. These are all the answers, you see, now your computer starts working. You ask the answers to the truth. "Am I the spirit, Mother?" You Are. You are the spirit. You'll feel very much lighter and blissful. Put your right hand on your heart and ask the question, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" The spirit resides in the heart. Put the right hand on the heart. Just ask the question, "Mother, am I the spirit?" All right? You have to make a statement that you are the seekers of truth. You are. You don't want anything else but truth, isn't it? I'll come down and see.

Public Program. Norwich (UK), 4 July 1981. Shri Mataji : [disrupted recording] I have come to Norwich before also once and always I had a desire to come to Norwich though the response last time was rather disappointing for all the Sahaja yogis and they were not very anxious to come down here. But I know for definite that there are lots of seekers in this place. And they are involved into things which they will realize very soon are of no benefit. There are seekers and seekers in this world. My experience I have seen that some seekers are true seekers and ultimately they come to the truth. They discard everything that is artificial, that is not the truth. They go on working it out as in Sanskrit it is said, "Neti, Neti," go on saying, "Not this, not this," rejecting, and then you come to the truth. It happens. But there could be some who are fake in the sense that as you have got fake gurus, you have got also fake seekers. They just start seeking out of fashion. But in this Norwich of yours, I must say, whether people like it or not you have really very good seekers. And they have to come to the truth. It is rather difficult to make them understand that seeking is not a shopping. We cannot go on shopping. You see you have one guru, you go and see another one, you go and see another from Christianity to Islam, this and that. You go on moving and then ultimately you form a habit of seeking. You go on seeking. Like a momentum it goes on working. And the seeking goes on and on and on. And you reach a point where you find that you cannot change your habit of seeking. Even when you have found the truth, it's like a rat race. Is a seeking race, I have seen in this world has set in. Now the seeking has started because the time has come. The time has come for fulfillment of that seeking. That's why the seeking has started. But we must logically understand what are we to seek and what are the ways and methods of discriminating between the real and the unreal. Even logically you can understand that We have had great prophets and great incarnations like that of Christ on this earth and all their Advents have left us with great understanding of what to expect of a real person. The first thing is that you cannot pay for divine love. You cannot pay. Just you cannot pay for it. It has got nothing to do with money business nothing at all. You cannot do any courses. Imagine people doing courses in spiritual life. I mean, you mean to say that those who cannot afford, those who are poor, they cannot get their realization? It is very simple as that. Money is your problem. You have created money, not God. God doesn't understand money. It is impossible. How to understand money? It is very difficult. God doesn't know what money is and what does he care for your money? And this is one of the things which some of the Gurus have tried. It is to take money from you. Once you start paying the money, it's a human nature; you see if you have paid for something, you continue with it. Like you go to a show. The other day we went to see one drama, some play and both of us didn't like it at all. I mean my husband, Me, we didn't like the thing. But he said, "Now we've paid for it and the driver will be coming later. So, what's the use of getting out now?" So, we just continued with it till it finished. It is like that. We've paid for it; so better go through it. But it is not so simple as seeing a play. It could be very, very dangerous. So, first of all this payment, which is a negative thing, has been used with a double wedge. First of all you pay them and secondly they use you for them. It's a double wedge. The second thing is that you cannot put in any effort for it. Because if it is a living force, it's an evolutionary force and it has to happen to you, then you cannot pay for it. How much did you pay for Christ? Christ coming, did you pay anything? Now, of course, people are paying for everything, but that time? Payment is one thing, and effort should be another thing one should be away from. You pay nothing, you put in no effort for becoming a human being. No effort at all. But it is difficult to understand that you can put in. You cannot put in any effort for God. It is spontaneous. It is a living force like a flower becoming a fruit without any effort putting into it. Just it becomes. It is built in. It is spontaneous, Sahaja. Effort is also double-edged thing. Supposing I tell you that you stand on your heads and you'll get God, you'll do it. .I know you'll do it, and you'll do it day in and day out. You can. I have seen people chanting certain mantras which has no meaning, which is all nonsense, which is absolute nonsense, paying three thousand pound for it. And chanting that mantra day in and day out, becoming mad with that, without even thinking about it because you can do it. Whatever you can do, it is human, isn't it? God does something, which you cannot. If somebody says you have to jump, take out your clothes, jump in the air, go on saying something, all that's it. That's sufficient. They can do it. Taking out your clothes or color them into something, make it into a uniform, people like it that way. The other day only a suggestion came to me that better make some uniforms for Sahaja yogis and I was amazed at that. But people get very much impressed by uniforms, by the outside, by the gross. And this effort is such a ego pampering stuff that people do it. They just do it because they like it you see. They'll say also very proudly, "Oh, I am doing Hatha yoga," without even understanding that this, these asanas or these physical exercises is a wee bit, a very little wee bit of the whole of Patanjali Yoga Shastra. And that this little bit that you do is, also must relate to your Kundalini, to your chakras, to your state at which you are. You are taking the whole medicine box into your stomach, very indiscriminate. So this is also used by these people. You cannot put in any effort you. You cannot pay for it. Then the third one is even subtle. That is, people think that they can intellectualize it, they can rationally reach it. So they listen to lectures. Oh, very good lectures. They think by reading something, reading books, you are going to get it. I mean, there are books and books and books. So far none of these great people have written, Christ has written no book. It is very difficult to write also. They wanted me to write. I said, "It's impossible. I just don't know how to start and how to end it. The truth and the knowledge is so great." So they use this to satisfy your intellectual feats, you see. They will go on saying that you jump on to this and then jump onto that and jump onto that and jump onto that, jump into that and, you'll see, find you are back in the seat. I have seen there are funny organizations also which teach like, let us imagine that we are in that new awareness, now imagine. Can you imagine? Now supposing that you imagine even that you are monkeys. Can you jump like that? I mean how can you imagine like that? It's like a very nice story I read in my childhood. It impressed me very much. It is known as Punishment of [Unclear: Shahapez]. There was one gentleman called Shahapage and he was supposed to be an architect. He came, a hypocrite and an imposter. He came to a King and said, "I want to build a huge big palace for you, and I am such and such." He had all fake certificates with him. And the King believed him and he gave him lot of land to him and said, "Now go ahead. You spend this money - whatever you want you can have it - and make a big huge palace for me." And he, after six months he said, "Now, the palace is ready". When the King went there, it was just the same. There was nothing done. He said, "Oh, you cannot see because you have gross eyes. It is there," he said. Really, he befooled him. First the King was wondering, "What's the matter with this man?" but he was a clever intelligent man. He could understand that. He said, "Now see, this is a big palace. This is your darba. This is your big Court where you enter in and this is the place where you sit. This is the throne made of gold where you sit very comfortably and here are the people who will be sitting there and receiving you and all that." The King smiled and he took him around a little bit and said, "Now I am very much satisfied with your work. You have done tremendously well. I could not imagine anyone working it out that good." He said, "Now may I request you that you sit on the throne as I would like to award you this special gift that you can sit on the throne not the King." Poor man, he had to go on sitting like that. He said, "You go on sitting. It's very comfortable. Enjoy yourself." He was tired, absolutely tired. He said, "Better be seated," and then he fell at the feet of the King and said that, "I am sorry for all that I have done." So to imagine that you are this and imagine that and to be identified, to be befooled like that, is not the way seeking is going to be. We have to get it. We have to actualize it. It has to happen to us. Do we understand that we are going in a circle all the time? Any guru comes; you are with them. Another guru comes and you are with them. It's a shopping, as I said, going on, and it is very difficult to make them stop. There is a fellow who has written a book about Me, and a big book, and he came to me. He said, "Mother, I know now I have found the truth. This is the truth I have found myself, no doubt. I have got that vibrations. I have got collective consciousness. I have seen the Kundalini rising. I have seen with my own eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini. You can see it yourself. Everything I have seen and I am giving realizations to others but still I think I have to still seek." I said, "Why?" "Because it has become a second nature with me to seek." I said, "Now will you stop that rat race of seeking?" And now he is all right. This is what it is. You cannot play games with yourselves. You cannot go on like this. We have to stop it at a point. One has to know that Divine has nothing to gain from you. Truth has nothing to gain from you. Truth stands on its own glory, in its dignity. It doesn't need anything from you, does it? What can you do to adorn? What can you put on that? What can you give to that? How can you add to that? It's only you are adorned. It is only you gain it. If you get the truth it is you who has been enlightened. It's not the truth that is going to receive anything from you, is it? If that is your idea then you are sadly mistaken. You cannot pay for truth. Truth is there. It is there. Reality is there. How can you pay for it? Just think of it that we are paying for something that exists, that is there. How can you pay for it? And what effort can we put in? Say this room is very beautiful; it is very beautifully done. To see this, it is there. You just see it. I mean someday somebody may put a ticket for it - that's a different point - but to see it you don't have to put any effort. If you have eyes you can see, but if you have no eyes, then? Then something has to be done. But not you; you cannot do it. Like, as I last time told you, these candles who are not enlightened cannot do anything about their enlightenment. Some enlightened light has to enlighten them. So this is the fourth point, which they use. That you have to have a guru. Without a guru, how will you be saved? Even your evolution took place through some leader coming in. So somebody has to be there. So, they jump in. The market is created and they are imported here very nicely through Norwich. It's easier, perhaps, because of the port being there, perhaps. And because we do not know what to seek, we fall a prey to it. I have told you already that whatever you can do is yours, is human, but whatever God can do, is His own. You cannot transform one flower into fruit, leave alone the billions and billions of them, and that is His job. He has to do it. And that power has to flow through someone to do it. So this is the fourth point they arrive at. "Oh, He is a Guru. You should be absolutely obedient to that person. You should not ask any questions. If you ask questions, you cannot get your realization." Today's subject is like that. That's why I am moving in that line, you see. They said, "You talk on this, Mother." Like we had one lady coming from Norway. She stayed with me and she argued morning till evening; she just argued with me. I asked her, "Where have you been?" She said, "I have been to many Gurus". I said, "Did you argue with them?" She said, "No." "Which one was your last?" She said the last one was the Lama who came from Tibet. All right, everybody come from Tibet is a Lama now! And whether those Lamas have anything to do with God, nobody knows, but as long as they come in those tattered clothes, oh, they are great. If they come like so-called detached people, people accept them. It's a circus. But the worst was when he came, this special gentleman. He told the people who called that, "If you want to have me there you'll have to make a house with marble floor." Imagine! In Norway to have marble! In India, it is all right; it's cheaper there." So poor things starved themselves for one year, lived on potatoes perhaps - after all young people don't have so much money even in Norway. I don't know how they must have managed, and they made one floor of marble for these parasites to come in. And this fellow came down and he would sit on a thing like that and she said, "We had to enter from a door and bow to that fellow one thousand and one times." One boy finished. "What about arguments?" I said." She said, "Arguments? We were so fagged out and tired, we walked off." One thousand and one time to bow. They had to take to very loose clothing because with tight clothes they couldn't do it. "Oh, terrible it was!" she said. "What did he teach?" She said, "Oh, if you cannot do it, you cannot reach even one step forward." Yesterday I heard of another organization, where they have some steps. You have to go up the steps and stand there and bang your head with some thing, coconut or something. Then you drop down, make some circus there, and then you have reached the fifth step. All this is nonsense. Don't believe in all these nonsensical things. This is absolute nonsense. You have got Christ before you to understand. Did he do all this nonsensical things? He lived a very normal life and a person who is a realized soul is the most normal person. He doesn't have any eccentricities. He doesn't go into tantrums. He doesn't bother about comfort. He doesn't bother about food or anything. He is Lord of himself. You cannot capture that person. You cannot. And such a personality you can develop because you are a seeker. This is one point which they have caught up is that you do not achieve anything with these people, nothing at all. Like, they'll say, "Oh, I have raised your Kundalini." "How?" "Because you are jumping like a frog." Can you imagine? Jumping like a frog! Is that you are seeking? It is so superficial. You see, people are so superficially built up. They are so superficial that they believe in such nonsensical things. They are not seekers. They just go to a lecture, just to hear some lecture, and they'll think, "Oh, I am jumping like a frog." Now, are we going to become frogs or worms? We are going to become higher personalities, higher people. Then it comes to us what higher things we have achieved from these people. Have we achieved anything? Nothing whatsoever. Nothing whatsoever. What are we to achieve? As Christ has said, you are to be born again. Something very important, you are to be born again. Now what is that? That means some sort of an artificial baptism done by somebody. Putting some water on your head, do you get born again? Do you get? Like an egg you put in and you just put in some water. Now you are a bird. Does it become a bird? Imagine it is a bird, can you, will it become? Even if you give a nice dress to a child and the child goes in before the thing and you have a nice champagne party but will the egg become the bird? Put yourself to that then. It's time now for us to face it. Like the other day we had somebody in Cambridge. He came forward with a great gusto. He said, "I can understand all other people like Buddha" - according to him they are all wasted - "Buddha, Mohammed. But Christ, he said. I said, "What do you think of Christ?" He said, "Christ is something special." I said, "Yes, it is so. Then what? What have you done about him?" He said, "I believe in Christ." I said, "Really? And what have you achieved out of that?" You believe as if you see it is like adorning Christ by saying, "I believe in Christ." What have we achieved? Have you awakened Him within yourself? Has He given you any powers of your spirit? This is the last thing one should know that we have to achieve the powers of our spirit. Everything that is said into all the scriptures has to be proved. Everything must have a meaning. Otherwise we are living in a fool's paradise. You must accept it. You have to see that it is [unclear] you have to see that, not rationally but by experiencing it. So, just now as he must have told you, how the Kundalini rises and it pierces through the fontanel bone area and you get the cool breeze in your hand. This is what is described as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Everywhere, I mean Mohammed Sahab has described it as Ruh - R-U-H - Ruh. It's cool breeze, in every scripture. Of course, I mean in Indian scriptures, because you see that country didn't have problems as you have here. Our nature is very good and kind to us. People could live in the forests and could manage. They had time to concentrate on their spirits and to find out the truths about life and they have found out. In the sixth century we had a great saint born in that country called as Adi Shankaracharya who has very elaborately talked about Kundalini, about realization, what to expect, what are the centers, how it works. After that we had Kabir, very lately about 200 years back. Then we had Nanak. Nanaka compiled all the great works of all the realized souls and put them in a book called as Granth Sahab, which these horrible Sikhs are reading morning till evening. You see, it called as Akhanda Path. They do it for two and a half days. Can you imagine? Madness. They go on reading. And the last point they reach, one person reads say for about two hours. He puts his finger there. Then another one joins in. There should be no gap left, go on reading like mad. By reading are you going to reach to God? And they are reading that, written there, that by reading that you don't go to God. [Unclear, they are saying] why don't you look into your self? You have to find it within yourself. They are reading, singing also. Who is going to look into? Like if I say that you have to take this medicine, say a particular medicine Anacin for your headache, you go on reading the prescription, "You have to take Anacin. You have to take Anacin." You'll have a greater headache. You can never get cured. I mean, anything they try to do, human beings know how to make a mess out of it. Now at least you realize that I am here to tell you that don't make a confusion of everything. This is a very confused times. This is all described also. This is a time of confusion. But keep yourselves alert and try to understand that if it is the truth, you have to actualize it. It cannot be brain-washing. You have to really actualize; you have to feel it within yourself. Like anybody who comes and says, "I have got realization. Really? My Kundalini is up there, Mother. I am all right. My Guru has done it. He jumps like a frog, actually." So, asked him, "How do you know that you are realized? Why do you believe your Guru?" He said, "Why I am jumping like a frog?" I don't know what to say! I feel quite peaceful. If you go to a pub also you might feel peaceful for the time being. Is that the way to look at it? Your awareness has to get to some new dimension. What is the new dimension you have reached in your awareness? You have to become collectively conscious. You have to become, again I'll say become, become is the point. While you see, do you feel your centers on your fingers? Do your feel the centers of other people? Do you feel? If not, you have not achieved anything. You are just the same what you were, perhaps worst if not better. And this is what I feel that this place, Norwich, is really invaded by such people. Last time a lady was there who told me about somebody who is now found out to be hoax. I told her, "What have you got from him?" "Oh! I am in love with him." I mean, how many women in love with one man? I don't understand this nonsense. Such a confusion, such a confusion." And the negative forces, the satanic forces are taking advantage of it because you are seekers. They are going to attack you; they are going to attack this Norwich again and again because there are seekers here. They always attack. They know. Moreover, we do not know that even when a child is born of a very high quality, in the childhood only they work out something. But what impresses us most is the way they act. They create an act. Actually they study it very well and the second is the way they mesmerize, the way they hypnotize you completely. You don't know where you are going. We have here somebody who has been a head of a TM in Scotland. And he ended up with the epilepsy of his wife, his own epilepsy and the child getting epilepsy. It's a fact. In the beginning of Sahaja Yoga in India we would not allow any TM person to come in because we could not handle it. They are so badly hypnotized, we could not. But now in England I have managed it. But with the experiences that these people have now, we find that after getting realization also, if you are not careful, you'll be attacked. You'll be attacked. It's a very difficult thing to do Sahaja yoga in a way for Me, not so much for you. Because I have to really look after all of you. Because you do not know, it's like a small little chicks coming out of the eggs. And then anything can jump. One has to do with great patience, understanding and love. Because you do not know what you are facing, because Mr. Ego is there or superego is there, something is there. You are not there all the time. Even with realization the Kundalini drops down. Like a small seedling, I am told that people are farmers here. They will understand. It's very essential to look after them to give them water again and again. With the heat they may dry off, with too much water they may become rotten. With anything trampling on that they can be ruined. It's a very risky game. And one has to work out with Me today. Now in London I must say that we have lots of Sahaja yogis. They are Sahaja yogis because they are realized souls. They are, and you will be too. But just getting the realization one feels also great. "Oh, I felt very fine Mother." "All right, then?" "I felt extremely relaxed. I am enjoying it," and after one year they come back. "Oh, Mother, I have lost everything." Because this is a very crucial time of a month, which must be looked after, at least a month. And you get it so easily that you do not recognize it and you do not know how to maintain it. That is the problem. Even if you recognize it, you get so drenched with it that you forget that you have to maintain it. In Indian villages it's a different story. They are not touched by this. They are not interested. They are all interested in the West where the money is. You see, it's like, where the sugar is, all the flies will fly. Luckily my husband got elected to this job by so many countries, and I came to England. Actually I just came by chance, I should say all by Divine plan. That's how I am here. Of course, I mean, there are many coming to India but somehow the Indian Sahaja yogis found it very difficult to adjust the Western people .For many reasons because people who are Indians in India are very different from Indians who come here. They are not so materialistic, simple people in the villages. They are simple and they are not attacked. Main thing they think they are not attacked. Nobody is interested, these gurus and all that, not interested in the villages. I work in the villages of India. And this is what we have to know that we are attacked more because of our affluence. And one more point because you are saints. You are seekers. Seekers are born in these western countries. Perhaps I feel that they are to be comfortable. That was the design that they should have no problem financially. That's why you get doles here; nowhere in the world you people can get doles. They don't understand. This was providence, for you now to meditate, to achieve that, for you were born for this purpose only. This time is the judgment time. The Last judgment has started. The first important people are the saints are the seekers. I am not interested in non-seekers at all. I am not interested. I am not bothered about them. At the time being, I'd say now I am not bothered. Maybe later on. Just now I am only bothered about giving realization to people who are seeking and establishing that. That's all is my problem. And that's what you must face. You must know that you are seekers. You have to get it and establish within yourselves. This is the truth that you are made as an instrument of God's power and now you'll be connected to the mains by His powers only, by his Divine love, and that the power will start flowing through you. You'll be manifesting that power through your spirit and you'll see for yourself and enjoy that. Thank God, in Cambridge now we have many Sahaja yogis. But My first experience in Cambridge was horrifying, second was even worse. Then the, I think the fourth attempt, one great Sahaja yogi from London went down. He is not here today. He has gone to Spain now to work it out there, to Cambridge. And he got lots of people there and the center has started and a good center has started, people are working it out very well. It is so enjoyable, you see their faces, you can make out, so relaxed just like flowers. They are not abnormal people. That's how you have to also have it because you are seekers. Today whatever they are, you are going to be the same. You deserve it. It's your own. This is what you are seeking. This is what you should have. But we couldn't find even one person in Norwich last time who was up to the mark to run a center. The reason - I would not say that there are not people of quality here, they are - but the reason is they are very much attacked, very much attacked of which they are not aware. And this time again when I said, "Why not Norwich?" Everybody said, "Oh, Mother!" I said, "No I am going to go." And I hope this time you'll do some justice to yourself and your place. It has a special significance which I will tell later on, not now. Sometime I'll tell you why Norwich. May God bless you. Have any questions please? One may say, "Why me?" This one question could be, "Why Me?" I mean, I'd say that you better be in My place. I'll be very happy. I don't need anything in life except that I see that reaching you, I want you to give your own, that's all. This light is there. It is giving you light. Do we say, "Why do you give the light? Why not these walls?" I mean, that's the purpose. What is there to feel hurt about it? Even I don't know many things that you know, really I tell you I'm so [unclear: backdated?] in so many things that you can't imagine, I can't even sign a cheque. Till today I have to ask somebody, "Where do I sign?" I'm so hopeless. I mean, I have so many defects you can't imagine, as far as the human norms are concerned. But I mean, if I know something I know that. So what is there to feel bad? And I want you to know. I want you to get it. People can't understand that if somebody really loves, really, then we can't help it. And She can't help it. She has to love. It emits, just flows. You can't help it. Any other questions? Oh! he didn't tell you? All right. Sahaja, Saha means with you, ja means born. It's born with you. Yoga means union with God. The right you get to God, right to know your spirit is born with you, is spontaneous. It is spontaneous like a seed; it sprouts spontaneously, automatically. You cannot explain the mystery of spontaneity, can you? That is what Sahaja is. Sahaja means born with you. Also another derivated meaning means simple. Sahaja means simple, easy. But Sahaja, saha means "with" and "ja" is born with you, spontaneous, innate. Like we breathe spontaneously. You don't have to read books or pay for it, do we? In the same way your realization is a evolutionary process. And it has to be; it has to work out. The Divine has to work it out. Otherwise God, will lose his name. He'll lose his reputation. He'll lose the meaning for which he has created this Earth. He has to do it. It is He who is gracious. You'll be amazed, people who are getting realization. I'm Myself amazed at Myself or I should say I'm amazed at this graciousness of Divine. Even people who are punished by all laws of the world get realization. Even in the jail, in the lunatic asylum. Can you believe it? A lady came to see me from lunatic asylum. She got her realization and they wouldn't take her back. They said, "You are normal now." Its tremendous, the way the grace has come on this Earth. [unclear: really] it has descended. No, no, no. I must tell you about this one. It's very important. In India, you see, every married woman has to wear it. It's a sign of a married lady, you see. It's something like your ring or something outwardly, but inwardly it's very deep. It is placed at a point where this is the window of the center of Christ. And you can say this is the symbol of his blood. Looking at this point you can get thoughtlessly aware. Looking at this point you can get thoughtlessly aware because Christ in you can be awakened. When you look at this point, Christ is awakened in you. And Christ came on this Earth to suck in our ego and super ego, means the sin, so-called sin. He is the one who has sucked, who has the power to suck our sins, if He is awakened. But He has to be awakened. Just not by saying that we're Christians. He said, "You will be calling Me Christ, and Christ I won't recognize." He is to be awakened within us. Now if I say that you watch here, there has to be a mark, isn't it? And when you watch that, you'll see, as Christ is awakened within Me, he'll be awakened within you also and you'll become thoughtlessly aware. There won't be any thought. It's very helpful. This is not a caste mark or anything which people think. It's written in the Bible that those who will be saved will be known in John's Gospel revelation that a mark they wear. This is that mark. I don't want Sahaja yogis to wear that mark, you know, because in England they'll start some sort of a ruling against it. It is not necessary. It is there. It exists. But Indians who have come from India, they don't wear it. I was amazed. I mean, every married woman, see, for her this is a very big thing. She has to wear it. I asked them, "Why don't you wear?" They said, "Everybody laughs so we don't want to wear it." I said, "Why do they laugh?" They said, "They never appreciate anything, never appreciate. They'll just laugh at you." I said, "But you can say we can laugh at your lipstick. Why should they laugh at you?" They said, "That's why we stopped it." But it's a sign of a widow. Just imagine! I mean, they said, "If you have to survive you have to remove it." I said, "Let them laugh. Why to worry? When you understand the significance, you don't want to declare that you are a widow, so why, this is also another sign of a married life." In India a married life and a married woman is the most respected thing, is the most respected, and she has to wear nine marks because she is so respected. She is like a Goddess. I mean, she is regarded as the Goddess of the family. That is how we maintain our family system. It is so important. Now you realize it that the house wife is a deity. There is a center for it within us. That doesn't mean that men are in any way less. I mean, the men are the kinetic energy and the women are the potential energy. I mean we have no fight with them. It's question of understanding our rules in life. It's completely equal but not similar. It gives you more peace, and happiness and joy, isn't it? Now supposing my nose is placed here and my eyes are placed here. Will I be able to manage life? In the same way everybody has a rule and a place. And these things help. In no ways you can see that our Prime Minister is a woman. And so many ministers are women in India. We have to maintain certain decency and decorum and the dignity of a lady. It's there but there are many bad things in it. So many that I can't count. So it's better not to accept everything that is Indian as something great. Now they are becoming, they are developing, you see, so they are acquiring lots of plastics and acrylics. I have to carry nylons to India, can you imagine? When we have silks, they don't like it. They want nylons as presents and a nylon sari is regarded as the greatest present for an Indian lady who must be having 150 silk saris. We have to learn from you quite a lot. What to do? They came here to make money. They have become materialistic, absolutely materialistic. They go on counting pennies just like you do. I mean, absolutely it's horrible thing. And to make up for them all the gurus have also come here. That's what you are importing. And I am ashamed of them. But they cannot befool Indians that much as they can befool you because you are naïve. A fellow whom I knew very well went to Germany and he made a lot of money. When he came back, I asked him, "How did you manage?" And he was a vagabond, absolutely a horrible fellow. And he said, "It's very easy. I wore a saffron clothes and things like that and I took another fellow with me and we sat in one of the big squares. And he said that this is a guru, has come from Himalayas and this and that. All the money started coming in. They don't know any mantras. They don't know any Sanskrit. They don't know anything and the whole thing worked out. Now this is a realized soul. Now do you know that he/she is a realized soul? How will you know if she is a realized soul? Unless and until you are realized you won't know, she is a born realized. There are many born realized in this country. How are we to know? You have no knowledge. And all that is unknown is not Divine. You must try to understand through logic and then it will work out. Rationally, you cannot understand because rationality can go anywhere. I have seen people who have robbed banks, taken away other people's money, can also rationally explain it but logic is very different. Logic is based on wisdom and on sustaining. Any other question? Question [not clear] It's correct. What you say is correct that Indian music has come through the seers. Indian music has not come through experimentation. It has come through the sages and they have used this Om. You see the Kundalini rising. When she rises, you see these seven chakras. She creates the seven notes and they, whatever they have been keeping up, is the melodies which are pleasing to your spirit. And that's why if you are spiritually endowed, I mean we had now a very big program of one realized soul who came, is Pandit Jasraj in London. You will be amazed there was not a single Indian who attended it, not a single Indian. All were westerners. Can you believe it? Indian people and India are two different things, I think, sometimes especially those who are here. Not one person attended his programs, while he was fantastic. You see, the whole thing, even the natya shastras what you call the Drama, is based, the whole science is based on Spirit. If you read the Natya shastra, it's completely what words to be used, what is to be said to create a certain mood. Even the romance is based on Dharma, is based on sustenance. I agree with you there, absolutely true, but everything we have lost. That heritage we have lost! We are all English now. Artificially English, not really. I mean if you meet an English man, maybe he may speak little cockneyed but you might find an Indian speaking perfect Cambridge English you see. Super! And you won't be able to make it out whether he is an Indian or an English man but for his color. With the tailcoats the same. They have copied you very well, no doubt. But it's a copy, in aesthetics, in understanding. Now the other day we had a very good program in that Mermaid thing. I was the only single Indian there enjoying that, only single Indian. They don't grow with [unclear :it and you have]. You are the people who are going to appreciate them more than they can appreciate their own heritage now. Here, these boys, they go to buy Indian music and there are Indian boys who are buying jazz or some cheap music. And when they are asked, "Why do you buy them?" they say, "There's lot of speed in it, you see. We want speed now because we are very lethargic. So, we want some speed." Indian music builds up, you see. Slowly, slowly it rises and then it gets [unclear: raised]. It can be very speedy. It doesn't start from the very beginning like a shock, "Dha-dha-dha-dha." But they don't understand. It's very surprising that Indian Music is now surviving because of you people, not because of Indians, because you are spiritually endowed. I am very happy to know that you have seen that beauty. It is because of your spiritual advancement, that's all. But Indian people in the villages are still very Indian. You see, we are westernized, westernized, are copying, aren't they? Many people in India believe that Christ was born in England. Do you know that? Especially the converted Christians. For them an English man is at least a second cousin of Christ. What to do? This is the situation. And the other day I addressed a conference of Asian Women, the way they were fighting, our rights and this and that. I was amazed. I was amazed at them. I mean any Indian Conference like that I cannot imagine Indian women fighting like hooligans. "Oh God!" I just said, "What has happened to them? How could they behave like that? They have forgotten all the decency, the decorum, the grace that an Indian woman has to represent." I was amazed. Then I told them, very frankly, that, "You are becoming horribly materialist and you'll even have the culture which is worst than the labour class, even worst and worst of that, the way you are moving!" You'll be amazed, to earn money people have come from India who belong to very good families, and they working in Heathrow cleaning, sweeping. They have become sweepers. They wear gold bangles up to this much. They are not ashamed. In India let them go and even clean their own bathrooms, they won't do. It's shameful. It's a fact. I feel ashamed of them. No wonder you people don't like them. I mean, I can see that because they are not really Indian. And when I told them, "No, don't copy them. You should know about your own culture." Do they know anything? They won't even know the names of ragas and the melodies. They won't even know the names of great artists we have in our country. Nothing! Such shallow people. I don't know what has impressed them so much but you will find it out. Especially the English have done some good to us. I must say that they are very scholarly people. They have done some good to bring forth the beauty of our architecture, beauty of our creativity all those things. They are connoisseurs. We are artists, no doubt. You won't believe how we have deteriorated. We are developed, you see. We are getting plastics in our families. For a very elite family where they have silver in the house, all right, it's more important to have stainless steel. If you give them a glass, say of crystal, they won't like it, but this glass is the best. If it is plastic, it's even better. Went to somebody's house, a very rich man. "Oh," he said, "I have a wonderful thing. Would like to see that? Oh, wonderful! You'll be amazed. It's such a beautiful thing I have got." I said, "What is it?" Took me to his room. You wont believe that he showed me one of these bloated plastics, you see, which makes a sofa-like thing. He said, "See now, you can fold it. You can again blow in." He had removed all his [unclear: cart] furniture. "This is so beautiful and it has colors." He was in America for at least eleven years and this is what he picked up! To admire plastics. But this is what is happening. You see when people contaminate others they just leave whatever is wrong. You should never copy anyone. We should be what we are. Why should we copy? What is the need? God has created this Universe with different varieties, so beautiful to see, isn't it? All these cultures, different things, are so beautiful. Imagine, every tree looking alike like a military system standing there, all uniformed. How would you feel? So there is goodness about both the things but the best thing is that we understand the values that are Divine. For example, Stone Hedge in this country, it's a temple. But how will you know? How will you know what it is? Unless and until you have vibrations how will you know? As you have been so scholarly, you should be deeper into I, and achieve that awareness within you by which you can feel it. Unless and until you have that awareness, it's all blindness, isn't it? How are we to know? I don't see world as different. I don't see India and England because England is the Heart according to me of the Universe. And India has the Kundalini. Now the whole body of the Universe is one to me then how can I see it separate? I cannot see eyes separate and nose separate. I can't see Christ and Mohammed separate. I cannot see. I cannot understand, you see, in my concept. I cannot understand. They are in complete unison with each other. Absolute melody. Because they are absolute, they are ideal. We cannot think of something so perfect. England has to improve because it is the heart and India has to awaken. The heart is lethargic and they are sleeping. What am I to do? And Europe is the liver. Imagine, they are all drinking. God save the liver of the Universe. This is how I look at it. Because it is. Everything circulates through here. Laws, everything. You do not understand your importance; that's the main point. Everything circulates from here. If you could understand, you would reach some ideal conditions. It's the shape of a heart, too. Such a little thing compared to the Universe. They went up to China in a different way. That way they should not have gone, you see. But they did. Everything can circulate through here. But you must have proper blood, isn't it? Purified blood you must have. But India is the Kundalini. That's also very important. But I don't know if the seekers in England realize that. They are wiser than Americans. Americans are very shifty people. I am going to America. Keep your fingers crossed. I hope I'll come back in one. But I must say Americans are great seekers. Very great seekers, they are. But the guru shopping is too much there, too much Guru shopping. You ask any American, he'll give you a list of at least thirty to forty people he has been to. I have been to Russia. I have been all over. Somehow I have been. And I know the problems that exist everywhere. And there are many who are going to get realization. The young especially, they are going to get. Like Algeria. Algeria had a problem. Fundamentalists were taking over absolutely. The Government is still afraid of the fundamentalists. But when this Iran thing came up, of course, the Divine is also working it out. And when the Iran thing came up they started seeing the young people. Oh, God! This is fundamentalism. All this brutality. So they thought what to do now. They said, "If this is God, better run away from such a God." So, they were about to jump into communism, when one of them came. I mean, they had formed an organization. One of them came to London, got his realization. He gave realization to five hundred people, all engineers, doctors, young. The way we have found out because it's not a democratic country, but in Paris we have lots of them. That's how it is going to work out. It's a very subtle plan of the Divine. But let's see what all Norwich has to do in this big plan. All right. And to understand India, you must go to villages, not in the cities. Mostly take you to these horrible tourist places which are no more. You must see everything in its proper way. Whatever it is I am not here to make you Indians, nor am I there to make them English. I am criticized in England that, "She is trying to make them Hindus," and in India I am criticized that I am going to make them Christians. Can you believe it? To understand fanaticism, it is better to see all of them together, and you are amazed how they are fighting for what there isn't any truth in it. It's very funny, like I said that Christ's Mother was the Holy Ghost and the fifteen percent of the Sahaja yogis at that time resigned from Sahaja yoga. They couldn't believe that that could be so. They said, "She is the woman who was just crying all the time. How can she be a Holy Ghost? You see, the Holy Ghost in India is known as Adi Shakti. So, how can She be?" And Christ did not say She was the Holy Ghost because he didn't want people to attack Her; otherwise he would never have forgiven them. He said that whatever is done against him is all right but anything against the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven. And they just resigned. They said, "Oh, this lady is preaching Christianity. Beware of her." Now I have to wear a sari because I was born in India. I had to be born somewhere. If I had been born in Norwich I would be wearing dresses like you. But I was born in India, all right. It won't look nice for me to wear your dresses, isn't it? It will be copying. So you have to be born somewhere. This is very difficult thing for any Universal being to be born on this Earth and make people understand that you are Universal too. Only your Universality has not been awakened. Once you become, you forget all, you transcend all, and you just see the variety and enjoy it. Now should we have our realization? At the very outset I have to say that most of you will get realization, I am sure. But after that you have to keep the contact. And you have to continue with it; otherwise, you will lose it. I am sorry, that's the only thing one has to remember. You don't have to pay nothing, but you have to pay attention to yourself and respect your realization. That is the most important. That you are as a seeker and that if you have found it, you have to work it out and maintain it. Only connection is given but you have to maintain the connection, you see, because sometimes it could be loose. So we have to establish. With love and understanding and respect, put your hands like this. Both the feet on the ground and just hands like this. Here are the centers. These are the centers of the sympathetic right and left. If you can find out from the book that these are the ones which are seven centers - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 - and this is the center. Here is the fontanel bone area. So when it opens out, you start getting the cool breeze in the hand but before that when it crosses this center of Christ, then you get thoughtlessly aware. Nirvichar Samadhi. And when it crosses that you get your self-realization. It's that simple as that. It has to happen to you. It will happen to you but if it does not, you should not feel bad about it. We'll work it out again and it can happen. Like a person who knows swimming can save another person and then you learn swimming so you can save others. So those who are realized soul know how to raise your Kundalini. And if they have to raise your Kundalini, you should not mind. Now put your hands like this, just like this and close your eyes. Just close you eyes. Keep your eyes shut. The only thing is you have to ask for it. If you have no desire, nobody is going to force it. As Christ has said, you have to knock. You have to ask, ask for your realization. It's a very big thing you are asking. Just you have to ask that, "Mother, give me my realization" Just ask thrice you have to ask. Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? Are you feeling? Good. Are you? Not yet? Keep your eyes shut. It's better. Put your hands straight, straight like that. You have to forgive, forgive people. It's a big load. Just say, "I forgive. I forgive everyone." Just say that. It's a very big load because after all, if you do not forgive, who is suffering? You, not others. Just you have to say, "I forgive." Thrice you have to say, "I forgive. Mother I forgive everyone." Just say that; just say. You'll feel very much better. Much lighter. It's all right? All right. When you say, "I forgive," then only you can say, "Forgive me also if I have not paid full attention to my spirit." You can say that. That also to be said thrice. You can ask a question saying that, "Mother, am I the Spirit"? Ask a question. Very simple. You ask a question, "Mother am I the spirit?" See, it's working, answer coming. These are all the answers, you see, now your computer starts working. You ask the answers to the truth. "Am I the spirit, Mother?" You Are. You are the spirit. You'll feel very much lighter and blissful. Put your right hand on your heart and ask the question, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" The spirit resides in the heart. Put the right hand on the heart. Just ask the question, "Mother, am I the spirit?" All right? You have to make a statement that you are the seekers of truth. You are. You don't want anything else but truth, isn't it? I'll come down and see.

7/5/1981

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Guru Puja: Detachment And Sharing

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Puja. Cambridge (UK), 5 July 1981. Many now, many of us are there and we are increasing in number. And we are going to increase more and more, no doubt about it. You have to realize that you have become something. Not that an organization is developing but every person inside this has got something, something very great that has a transformation power. And hence it is necessary for us to know that we have entered into the kingdom of God. And the laws of kingdom of God are very different from what we know of. They operate in a different way. Unless and until you really understand the operation of these laws, you cannot grow properly, you have to grow. All of you have to grow. If you cannot grow in sahaja yoga, you will be wasted. So it is very important that we should try to understand the divine laws, how they operate. And whatever we have been doing so far has been responsible for our non-growth. So we have to give up so many things which have been detrimental to our progress. A small thing like comfort and sharing. In sahaja yoga I have found people they worry too much about comfort even after realization. They want to find their own comforts. They want to have their own individualities and they want to show that they are different. They are not the same as others are. If comfort becomes more important for some people you can never grow, never grow in sahaja yoga. On the contrary, you may become a medium of all the negativity and will torture sahaja yoga by your lethargy. So try to understand that comfort actually is something that matter gives you. Comfort is the slavery of the matter. You have seen your Mother, She can sleep anywhere, She can eat anything, She can live the way you all live. I have no problems, I have no demands and you can do the same. Because this matter is all the time trying to overpower you, all the time trying to overpower you through comfort giving. If you get used to sitting on a chair then you have to carry chair along with you. You cannot sit on the ground, a simple example I am saying. It's a certain thing that your body get used to. And then you want to maintain your own, I must have my own separate flat or my own this thing because I must have comfort. This is one of the things that we have to understand that we have to learn without comfort, so called. To Me comfort has no meaning at all. It creeps on Me. Try to teach your body how to live with uncomfortable things. Sometimes, sleep on the ground, see how it works out. Try to sit on the ground. Try to use minimum of material things because they have overpowered you and you can't live without them. I have known people who have to carry folded chair at least to the sea shore because they can't sit. They will get attached to a chair I think after sometime and like a tail the chair will be moving with them. The way the things are, you see. So one thing we must understand that materialism adds to comfort. That's why we should try to keep these dead things at our own command. If you want we can have a chair, if you don't want we will have no chair. They are not our masters. We are their masters. We have made them. Then the second thing is about time. That maintenance of time that we should be very punctual, we should be this and that. And that we should abuse others for that, I mean. That doesn't mean that you should never be punctual. It doesn't mean that. But what we do, we are slaves of the watch. That should not be so. We have to get to certain timing because the whole world is moving with that timing. But you should not scold anybody for being late or for being not in time. Of course for puja it's alright because that's divine work, for other things. And whenever it comes to that we should think of others. You see how to overcome time is to think of others. For example, that we should be in time in a place where others are not troubled by that. But we should not ask others, why are you not in time. In everything, for example even in comfort we should see to the comforts of others you will overcome your idea of comfort. Because it will be such a headache looking after other's comforts that you will overcome. In the same way you should try to share. People don't know how to share their things with others, share their house with others. They always want to have their privacy. They want to have their own life. They want to have their own style. It's very, very wrong and these things can act really against sahaja yoga. Sharing, sharing everything that you have. Try to share. All such people who try to preserve themselves are not going to grow. They have to get lost, completely lost. Because what you are preserving is nothing but your ego, your material being, your material things. It doesn't mean that you break all your things that you have, it does not mean that. But you preserve it for others. You decorate your house for others to enjoy. You create comfort for others and not for yourself. This is how, if you work it out you will be amazed the joy will be maximum. And you will really rise and you will grow. Now, when we think of others, the joy is so much so much greater, that it is surpassing all the other joys of comfort and possession. Possession is a headache, absolute headache. If you do not possess anything you will be not depriving yourself of anything. You will never feel a feeling that I am deprived of this. Because you don't possess anything. You are the monarch of the whole world. And how can anybody deprive anything out of your name? So we must understand the laws that govern us. Now after realization the more you try to be comfortable, the more you try to be exclusive, you get out of the grace of God. The more you try to have your own plans, the worse it is. You have to act according to the plans of God almighty. And then you will be blessed. You will be blessed so much. But you will not know how to use your blessings, it will be so much. But do not have anything exclusive to yourself. Your comfort your material things your time, whatever gives you feeling of your "my, my" - just get over it. For example, even the subtlest of subtle is "my mother", "my father", "my brother", "my sister", "my children", "my". Who are the others? Everything is your own. Then you will realize the joy of collectivity. Now people talk of socialism, communism this that, it's all artificial. They can never enjoy that sharing because it is forced. And these things can be of great joy to you if they are shared. The same things can be headaches. I will give you a simple example. We had a lady from England, she married an Indian. And the Indian people in that area were very funny type, very narrow minded. They wouldn't accept her. She was not given any love. She came back to London. Now she came back to Bombay first to see Me and naturally I was very nice to her and I didn't know what to give her. So I had a pearl necklace. Most of the things are in the bank so I had only one pearl necklace left with Me. So I said, "Alright, you have this one just as a symbol of My love" - gave it to her. Years passed, many years passed you see, and after about ten years or so, I met her in London. And she told Me that she would like to come and see Me. And she brought that necklace with her. She swears that, "This had sustained me throughout to believe that there is love." This necklace, I would, I have so many of them in My house. When I would, could have some more also. But this has given sustenance to someone for years together to believe that there is somebody who loves you. And that necklace is so precious to her. To Me it was not so precious. It was a headache. The value of that is the subtle value of that material thing. It is beyond aesthetics, it is love, which is expressed through material thing. You know that whatever I touch vibrates. This love is only enjoyed if it is given. If I love My children only, if I love My grand children only I would not be here. And gradually they also understand that this sharing is so important. So the laws of divine are such that they operate in a very blissful way on the people who obey them, is one, as I said of sharing, one of giving your comfort to others. You should be a comfortable person to another, not an uncomfortable person. You should not be a difficult person to others. Your tongue should be such that should give great solace to others. Your eyes should be such that should give a very great benediction to others. When you look at people, people should feel that, "Here is my security." Not to enjoy others but give enjoy out of you, enjoyment out of you, is the way you should act. And then the laws of the divine work better. It is easy to criticize others. In sahaja yoga also people do it. It's a habit of people to criticize others. But if you can love others then the criticism won't be there. You won't see all these points. Now some people may take advantage of your love I know they do. But in sahaja yoga they go out. Such people go out very fast. Those who try to take advantage of sahaja yoga, they go out of it. So you don't have to worry. There the divine laws will work it out that such people will get out. But you try to love, you try to love. You bring down your ego. You try to love others. And try to be one with God and His blessings. As He loves you, you have to love the whole world. And those who try to trouble you will be punished, I tell you, they will be punished. But you have to be one with the divine laws. And this, once you realize your own problems, will neutralize completely. Like your family problem, house problem, property problem, this problem, they will all neutralize. Only sometimes I find a conflict between family people. Your priority should be sahaja yoga, sahaja yoga, sahaja yoga. Say a husband may not be equally interested in sahaja yoga and the wife is pulled down. She should show that her interest is sahaja yoga nothing else and he will come. She should not give way to him. And if he is so that he wants to get into sahaja yoga and she objects. She has no business to do that under any divine law she has no business to do that. If she tries that, husband need not listen to her at all he should go full ahead. Because ultimately he is an important part of sahaja yoga. And he should not in any way make the importance less. So she should go ahead with what she wants. If he is a sahaja yogi he should not bother about anything. His family will be blessed, everybody will be blessed, if he is there. So any excuses, that takes you away from sahaja yoga are not helpful to the family. Because if the deities are angry your family will be harmed. If say, a woman is a sahaja-yogini and her family people object to it they will be harmed and she will be harmed as well. But if she is in sahaja yoga all the family will be saved. So, you are doing a greater, you are doing a greater service to your family by becoming a sahaja yogi and a true sahaja yogi and a dedicated and devoted sahaja yogi. But no individualistic efforts, no individualistic attitude is helpful to Me or to sahaja yoga, is very detrimental under any name under any banner under any excuse. Try to find out ways and methods of becoming one with others. If you want to find out faults with others there can be any, I mean I should not be here. I can say that. Then I should not be on this earth. I could have said that. But I see that spirit in you, and I see that beauty in you. I don't see other things. If I had not seen that spirit I would not have worked like this. So, all such people who try to take any on their own thing will land up into difficulties. It's malignancy of Sahaja yoga, is the cancer. People are so much used to see certain ways of doing things like you see we take a bath everyday. It's true with us. I mean one example I am giving. Like English are very particular about say, may be, say, using a napkin at the time of food. Take a small thing like that. I mean they are very, that's for them is religion. Same way the Indians are. Now, I didn't take My bath yesterday because there were so many people. I shouldn't take. If I use all the water what will happen? And any time I am with you people I don't take bath till I have to have a puja. I mean it's difficult for Indians to do that. But you can get over your habits when you say you are sharing that with others. But those who are inconsiderate will not understand this. It is not necessary to come to puja also so much cleaned up by sharing every body's things yourself, by having everything yourself. It's more important that you should come here with a heart which has shared the joy with everyone. Even if you have not cleaned yourself, doesn't matter. You are alright for God. But sharing is very important and that is what I find is lacking. People will take interest in their own children, not interest in other children. They will take interest in their own family, their homes, houses but not in another person's houses. Try to share your labor with others also. And you will be surprised how rewarding it is, how rewarding. And little children don't understand the difference sometimes, they don't understand who is the other. Like we went to Delhi once, and we shifted and I cleaned the house. It was very dirty and all that cleaned it and decorated it and all that. So My daughter said that why don't You go and decorate the other houses also and clean them. They are very dirty houses. They didn't understand that it is too much for their Mother. You better do it, they can't do it alright, you better do it. It's that simple for them. And this materialistic attitude, you know what's happening to us with that. I mean thank God you are not like the Indians who have come here. They are very materialistic. You have got out of it. But still in a very subtle way it sticks on to your comfort, your idea of taking a holiday and going out for a holiday alone, you see, with your family. This is your family. Your family is large. Your Mother has so many children, what to do. She has so many sons and daughters. Everything is to be shared. You will never enjoy your holiday alone. You can only enjoy with sahaja yogis. This is what it is. Once you start enjoying that you'll be amazed how beautiful it is. This is what I want to tell you today in Cambridge, because from Cambridge people have gone all over the world. They were educated here. They went round the whole world. They are everywhere. It has circulated so much and, but Cambridge people are very snooty, as they say. They don't want to share with anyone. Just imagine! Cambridge is a place which is meant for sharing. That's the place where they don't want to share. Knowledge is one thing is to be only enjoyed after sharing. Otherwise you cannot enjoy your knowledge. So share your joys and share your happiness. And you will be amazed that all your pathos, and all your unhappiness will vanish, completely vanish. These are all the old things of the past life, forget it. You have to all forget that you belong to this community or that community. Just learn to share. The highest thing, the highest material thing that is created in this world, even above flowers and everything are human beings. Just share them, just enjoy them. They are the best thing God has produced. Just enjoy them. This is what is necessary if you really want to obey the laws of God. Today, I hope with this puja, your heart will enlarge. And that you will learn to share with that big heart. Just try to share your things. Share your time. Share your comforts. Share every moment of your life with others. Think of good things of other people, you'll enjoy them. If you start thinking of the thorns instead of the roses, will you enjoy roses? If you have to enjoy the roses you have to forget the thorns and enjoy the roses. Those who are wise are like that. But stupid can take the thorns and just go on pricking themselves and saying that "Oh! There are thorns." The sign of wisdom is to enjoy the beauty of roses, they are the most beautiful things. They are all roses. I see you all roses here. And I forget the thorns and the day will come they will not need even the thorns because they will be so powerful. And there should be no groupism of any kind, of Intellectuals coming together, non-intellectuals coming together, alcoholics on one side. In sahaja yoga also we have caste system, just imagine. Then some Indians are separate, then English are separate. Then Cambridge people are separate. There should be no separation. We are all one. We are all born through our Sahasrara. We are a different community and different thing. We cannot form into groups, cannot form into cults, and cannot form into any caste. We are all twice born people. We are the people who are born again. We are different. We have lost all that. Everything is lost, you see. They say there is no caste for a sanyasi, for an ascetic, means the one who is a realized soul, there is no caste. Don't belong to any caste. Forget your problems of your country, of your nation, of your, so called your people. Forget it, you are different and try to pull them up to that where they also become one with Whole. The whole world has to unite like this. Give up your small, small differences and angularities.My God Bless You All. Now who are the people who have not come from London?

Puja. Cambridge (UK), 5 July 1981. Many now, many of us are there and we are increasing in number. And we are going to increase more and more, no doubt about it. You have to realize that you have become something. Not that an organization is developing but every person inside this has got something, something very great that has a transformation power. And hence it is necessary for us to know that we have entered into the kingdom of God. And the laws of kingdom of God are very different from what we know of. They operate in a different way. Unless and until you really understand the operation of these laws, you cannot grow properly, you have to grow. All of you have to grow. If you cannot grow in sahaja yoga, you will be wasted. So it is very important that we should try to understand the divine laws, how they operate. And whatever we have been doing so far has been responsible for our non-growth. So we have to give up so many things which have been detrimental to our progress. A small thing like comfort and sharing. In sahaja yoga I have found people they worry too much about comfort even after realization. They want to find their own comforts. They want to have their own individualities and they want to show that they are different. They are not the same as others are. If comfort becomes more important for some people you can never grow, never grow in sahaja yoga. On the contrary, you may become a medium of all the negativity and will torture sahaja yoga by your lethargy. So try to understand that comfort actually is something that matter gives you. Comfort is the slavery of the matter. You have seen your Mother, She can sleep anywhere, She can eat anything, She can live the way you all live. I have no problems, I have no demands and you can do the same. Because this matter is all the time trying to overpower you, all the time trying to overpower you through comfort giving. If you get used to sitting on a chair then you have to carry chair along with you. You cannot sit on the ground, a simple example I am saying. It's a certain thing that your body get used to. And then you want to maintain your own, I must have my own separate flat or my own this thing because I must have comfort. This is one of the things that we have to understand that we have to learn without comfort, so called. To Me comfort has no meaning at all. It creeps on Me. Try to teach your body how to live with uncomfortable things. Sometimes, sleep on the ground, see how it works out. Try to sit on the ground. Try to use minimum of material things because they have overpowered you and you can't live without them. I have known people who have to carry folded chair at least to the sea shore because they can't sit. They will get attached to a chair I think after sometime and like a tail the chair will be moving with them. The way the things are, you see. So one thing we must understand that materialism adds to comfort. That's why we should try to keep these dead things at our own command. If you want we can have a chair, if you don't want we will have no chair. They are not our masters. We are their masters. We have made them. Then the second thing is about time. That maintenance of time that we should be very punctual, we should be this and that. And that we should abuse others for that, I mean. That doesn't mean that you should never be punctual. It doesn't mean that. But what we do, we are slaves of the watch. That should not be so. We have to get to certain timing because the whole world is moving with that timing. But you should not scold anybody for being late or for being not in time. Of course for puja it's alright because that's divine work, for other things. And whenever it comes to that we should think of others. You see how to overcome time is to think of others. For example, that we should be in time in a place where others are not troubled by that. But we should not ask others, why are you not in time. In everything, for example even in comfort we should see to the comforts of others you will overcome your idea of comfort. Because it will be such a headache looking after other's comforts that you will overcome. In the same way you should try to share. People don't know how to share their things with others, share their house with others. They always want to have their privacy. They want to have their own life. They want to have their own style. It's very, very wrong and these things can act really against sahaja yoga. Sharing, sharing everything that you have. Try to share. All such people who try to preserve themselves are not going to grow. They have to get lost, completely lost. Because what you are preserving is nothing but your ego, your material being, your material things. It doesn't mean that you break all your things that you have, it does not mean that. But you preserve it for others. You decorate your house for others to enjoy. You create comfort for others and not for yourself. This is how, if you work it out you will be amazed the joy will be maximum. And you will really rise and you will grow. Now, when we think of others, the joy is so much so much greater, that it is surpassing all the other joys of comfort and possession. Possession is a headache, absolute headache. If you do not possess anything you will be not depriving yourself of anything. You will never feel a feeling that I am deprived of this. Because you don't possess anything. You are the monarch of the whole world. And how can anybody deprive anything out of your name? So we must understand the laws that govern us. Now after realization the more you try to be comfortable, the more you try to be exclusive, you get out of the grace of God. The more you try to have your own plans, the worse it is. You have to act according to the plans of God almighty. And then you will be blessed. You will be blessed so much. But you will not know how to use your blessings, it will be so much. But do not have anything exclusive to yourself. Your comfort your material things your time, whatever gives you feeling of your "my, my" - just get over it. For example, even the subtlest of subtle is "my mother", "my father", "my brother", "my sister", "my children", "my". Who are the others? Everything is your own. Then you will realize the joy of collectivity. Now people talk of socialism, communism this that, it's all artificial. They can never enjoy that sharing because it is forced. And these things can be of great joy to you if they are shared. The same things can be headaches. I will give you a simple example. We had a lady from England, she married an Indian. And the Indian people in that area were very funny type, very narrow minded. They wouldn't accept her. She was not given any love. She came back to London. Now she came back to Bombay first to see Me and naturally I was very nice to her and I didn't know what to give her. So I had a pearl necklace. Most of the things are in the bank so I had only one pearl necklace left with Me. So I said, "Alright, you have this one just as a symbol of My love" - gave it to her. Years passed, many years passed you see, and after about ten years or so, I met her in London. And she told Me that she would like to come and see Me. And she brought that necklace with her. She swears that, "This had sustained me throughout to believe that there is love." This necklace, I would, I have so many of them in My house. When I would, could have some more also. But this has given sustenance to someone for years together to believe that there is somebody who loves you. And that necklace is so precious to her. To Me it was not so precious. It was a headache. The value of that is the subtle value of that material thing. It is beyond aesthetics, it is love, which is expressed through material thing. You know that whatever I touch vibrates. This love is only enjoyed if it is given. If I love My children only, if I love My grand children only I would not be here. And gradually they also understand that this sharing is so important. So the laws of divine are such that they operate in a very blissful way on the people who obey them, is one, as I said of sharing, one of giving your comfort to others. You should be a comfortable person to another, not an uncomfortable person. You should not be a difficult person to others. Your tongue should be such that should give great solace to others. Your eyes should be such that should give a very great benediction to others. When you look at people, people should feel that, "Here is my security." Not to enjoy others but give enjoy out of you, enjoyment out of you, is the way you should act. And then the laws of the divine work better. It is easy to criticize others. In sahaja yoga also people do it. It's a habit of people to criticize others. But if you can love others then the criticism won't be there. You won't see all these points. Now some people may take advantage of your love I know they do. But in sahaja yoga they go out. Such people go out very fast. Those who try to take advantage of sahaja yoga, they go out of it. So you don't have to worry. There the divine laws will work it out that such people will get out. But you try to love, you try to love. You bring down your ego. You try to love others. And try to be one with God and His blessings. As He loves you, you have to love the whole world. And those who try to trouble you will be punished, I tell you, they will be punished. But you have to be one with the divine laws. And this, once you realize your own problems, will neutralize completely. Like your family problem, house problem, property problem, this problem, they will all neutralize. Only sometimes I find a conflict between family people. Your priority should be sahaja yoga, sahaja yoga, sahaja yoga. Say a husband may not be equally interested in sahaja yoga and the wife is pulled down. She should show that her interest is sahaja yoga nothing else and he will come. She should not give way to him. And if he is so that he wants to get into sahaja yoga and she objects. She has no business to do that under any divine law she has no business to do that. If she tries that, husband need not listen to her at all he should go full ahead. Because ultimately he is an important part of sahaja yoga. And he should not in any way make the importance less. So she should go ahead with what she wants. If he is a sahaja yogi he should not bother about anything. His family will be blessed, everybody will be blessed, if he is there. So any excuses, that takes you away from sahaja yoga are not helpful to the family. Because if the deities are angry your family will be harmed. If say, a woman is a sahaja-yogini and her family people object to it they will be harmed and she will be harmed as well. But if she is in sahaja yoga all the family will be saved. So, you are doing a greater, you are doing a greater service to your family by becoming a sahaja yogi and a true sahaja yogi and a dedicated and devoted sahaja yogi. But no individualistic efforts, no individualistic attitude is helpful to Me or to sahaja yoga, is very detrimental under any name under any banner under any excuse. Try to find out ways and methods of becoming one with others. If you want to find out faults with others there can be any, I mean I should not be here. I can say that. Then I should not be on this earth. I could have said that. But I see that spirit in you, and I see that beauty in you. I don't see other things. If I had not seen that spirit I would not have worked like this. So, all such people who try to take any on their own thing will land up into difficulties. It's malignancy of Sahaja yoga, is the cancer. People are so much used to see certain ways of doing things like you see we take a bath everyday. It's true with us. I mean one example I am giving. Like English are very particular about say, may be, say, using a napkin at the time of food. Take a small thing like that. I mean they are very, that's for them is religion. Same way the Indians are. Now, I didn't take My bath yesterday because there were so many people. I shouldn't take. If I use all the water what will happen? And any time I am with you people I don't take bath till I have to have a puja. I mean it's difficult for Indians to do that. But you can get over your habits when you say you are sharing that with others. But those who are inconsiderate will not understand this. It is not necessary to come to puja also so much cleaned up by sharing every body's things yourself, by having everything yourself. It's more important that you should come here with a heart which has shared the joy with everyone. Even if you have not cleaned yourself, doesn't matter. You are alright for God. But sharing is very important and that is what I find is lacking. People will take interest in their own children, not interest in other children. They will take interest in their own family, their homes, houses but not in another person's houses. Try to share your labor with others also. And you will be surprised how rewarding it is, how rewarding. And little children don't understand the difference sometimes, they don't understand who is the other. Like we went to Delhi once, and we shifted and I cleaned the house. It was very dirty and all that cleaned it and decorated it and all that. So My daughter said that why don't You go and decorate the other houses also and clean them. They are very dirty houses. They didn't understand that it is too much for their Mother. You better do it, they can't do it alright, you better do it. It's that simple for them. And this materialistic attitude, you know what's happening to us with that. I mean thank God you are not like the Indians who have come here. They are very materialistic. You have got out of it. But still in a very subtle way it sticks on to your comfort, your idea of taking a holiday and going out for a holiday alone, you see, with your family. This is your family. Your family is large. Your Mother has so many children, what to do. She has so many sons and daughters. Everything is to be shared. You will never enjoy your holiday alone. You can only enjoy with sahaja yogis. This is what it is. Once you start enjoying that you'll be amazed how beautiful it is. This is what I want to tell you today in Cambridge, because from Cambridge people have gone all over the world. They were educated here. They went round the whole world. They are everywhere. It has circulated so much and, but Cambridge people are very snooty, as they say. They don't want to share with anyone. Just imagine! Cambridge is a place which is meant for sharing. That's the place where they don't want to share. Knowledge is one thing is to be only enjoyed after sharing. Otherwise you cannot enjoy your knowledge. So share your joys and share your happiness. And you will be amazed that all your pathos, and all your unhappiness will vanish, completely vanish. These are all the old things of the past life, forget it. You have to all forget that you belong to this community or that community. Just learn to share. The highest thing, the highest material thing that is created in this world, even above flowers and everything are human beings. Just share them, just enjoy them. They are the best thing God has produced. Just enjoy them. This is what is necessary if you really want to obey the laws of God. Today, I hope with this puja, your heart will enlarge. And that you will learn to share with that big heart. Just try to share your things. Share your time. Share your comforts. Share every moment of your life with others. Think of good things of other people, you'll enjoy them. If you start thinking of the thorns instead of the roses, will you enjoy roses? If you have to enjoy the roses you have to forget the thorns and enjoy the roses. Those who are wise are like that. But stupid can take the thorns and just go on pricking themselves and saying that "Oh! There are thorns." The sign of wisdom is to enjoy the beauty of roses, they are the most beautiful things. They are all roses. I see you all roses here. And I forget the thorns and the day will come they will not need even the thorns because they will be so powerful. And there should be no groupism of any kind, of Intellectuals coming together, non-intellectuals coming together, alcoholics on one side. In sahaja yoga also we have caste system, just imagine. Then some Indians are separate, then English are separate. Then Cambridge people are separate. There should be no separation. We are all one. We are all born through our Sahasrara. We are a different community and different thing. We cannot form into groups, cannot form into cults, and cannot form into any caste. We are all twice born people. We are the people who are born again. We are different. We have lost all that. Everything is lost, you see. They say there is no caste for a sanyasi, for an ascetic, means the one who is a realized soul, there is no caste. Don't belong to any caste. Forget your problems of your country, of your nation, of your, so called your people. Forget it, you are different and try to pull them up to that where they also become one with Whole. The whole world has to unite like this. Give up your small, small differences and angularities.My God Bless You All. Now who are the people who have not come from London?

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“Where does the truth lie?” Caxton Hall, London (UK), 6 July 1981. How many are new today? I am sure somebody must have spoken before, no? All right. You all have been seeking, and seeking the truth about yourself. Where does the truth lie? When are we the most truthful people? Where, at what point, we cannot deceive, whatever we may try? When it is heartfelt. When it is our heart’s desire, then we always try to go ahead with it. But it has to be heart’s desire not the rationality, not the brain’s desire. Because you can make your brain understand. Your intelligence can be compromised. Whatever is heartfelt you want to do it. You cannot be satisfied without doing it. So, in the heart lies the truth. That is the Spirit that lies in your heart. But that is not in our conscious mind. We do not know how it manifests. We have heard that it is eternal, indestructible, is the source of joy and is the attention of God. That’s what we have heard. All such things which are preached may be regarded as hearsays. People might say, “What’s the proof that there is a Spirit in our heart?” Thank God, people have discovered the heart at least there, if not the Spirit! How are we to believe that there is Spirit - that we have a dimension which is beyond this human dimension, which is the dimension of the Spirit, the Spiritual dimension - by which we can feel the All-pervading Power of Divine love? It’s all being told to us by all the priests of all the religions. Now where is that Spirit? Whether it resides in the heart or where? How are we to know? How are we to believe? Or are we to deny all those people? Did they tell us lies about it? They may say, “You imagine, now, [that] your awareness is that of the Spirit.” By imagination you are not there! It’s just an imagination. Suddenly you find it was just a bubble and whole thing has burst off. So today the questioning mind comes to a point, to inquire: is there something called Spirit that we have to identify with? This inquiry itself is a seeking, because you also do not know what is the meaning of your life? You also do not know why you were made a human being? What was the need for the nature to create human beings on this Earth? Why they took so much time to create it, evolve us to this stage where we are called as human beings? Nobody asked the question why: the scientists do not. Also the people who are so called religious do not ask the question why, they just believed in it, “Have faith! Have faith! Faith is the only way you can go to God.” Blind faith! That’s a good consolation, just a consolation for the heart, “Oh, I have faith in this and this.” But tomorrow our children will ask us, I mean, they are already asking: “What is all this going about? Why you are wasting your time and our time in all this useless things?” And they are going to ask: “Is there any truth in, what you are saying? I s there God?” So, a long time back people decided: “Forget God! Turn your back. That question is a mystery. Forget it. Let’s start something else.” So they started science, this that. Science is nothing but whatever is there you just say, with these gross eyes human eyes you see, now a hall like this, and a carpet and all that you see whatever you see you just say, “This is it, this is it.” The laws of science are also whatever they see, experimented, whatever is discovered because it exists. So whatever they have discovered it is the science. But there may be something they have not been able to discover, something beyond; and could be always, because every theory they put up is challenged, every new thought they put in is challenged, even whatever are accepted as Newton’s Law, and all that, are challenged today. So everything is challenged and human beings are just confused. They can’t understand, whether there is some truth in it or not. In this era of confusion seekers are born, these are the seekers of the truth. It’s a rare category, used to be very rare before, not in this age of course. In this age there are many, they are really seekers. Of course, some could be, just out of the fashion, seekers; because, “Everybody is a seeker all right, everybody is a hippy I become a hippy.” “They are all going on those skates; let me also buy some skates!” It’s like that. But some are really seekers. They may do some guru shopping they may go wrong. They may have a little fun here and there. They may try to go to places where their ego is pampered and they may like to spend some money if they have some extra money inherited or something; like putting it on a horse (gambling) they may put it for their Spiritual life. Anything is possible. But one has to understand: why are we seeking? Again the ‘why’. Of course, because we do not know the meaning of our life. But maybe that we have evolved to this state and we have to evolve to some higher state. Like the fishes who were in the sea were quite happy, but one or two of them started seeking something else, so they came out of the sea and started seeking. And they became turtles or reptiles and the evolution started moving further. We have not yet reached the epitome, or we can say the climax, of our evolution because we do not know our meaning. For example now, this instrument as it is you see: to a lay person like me it will be difficult to guess what it is for and even to a person who knows what it is it will be difficult to play it if he does not know and a person, who also knows how to play, it will be difficult to play if it is not connected to the mains. So we can say there are people of four types in this world. Out of them, the seekers are the one who are just ready to be connected to the mains. They are a type. As soon as they are connected to the mains they start manifesting themselves very well. Immediately they start understanding Sahaj Yog. ‘Sahaja’: ‘saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’ - is born with you. This right to be in union with God, that is yoga, is born with you. .And this Sahaja, this spontaneous happening, takes place more in a seeker than in a non-seeker. And the one who knows how to play this instrument is the one who can connect. The second one is the one who wants to know how to play it, will be the first to know how to play it. But those who do not want who are not interested, those who just come to show off, those who are not seekers, they may be some big people, may be kings and queens and may be anything, they might be priests, they might be anything but those who do not want to know about their Spirit are difficult, are extremely difficult. It’s a headache. Sometimes they feel they are going to oblige Sahaj Yoga, by coming to Sahaj Yog. It’s just the other way round: Sahaj Yoga is a very receding force - it judges you very much. This evolution takes place in people who want to know, who want to get into it. Imagine of the fishes who came out of the water, they can’t live without water. To come out of water and to find their new ways of life, new understanding of the soil, was very difficult. Though Sahaj Yoga is not difficult at all. Once you get your Realisation, once the Kundalini rises, when she pierces your fontanel bone, when you get your baptism, when it passes through various chakras and enlightens your different centres, you get all the blessings of this power within you which is resting, sleeping; which you can awaken and use it. When this power rises, She cools you down completely. She’s so blissful. She’s compassion. She forgives. There are people who think, “Oh Mother, we have committed so many sins!” It’s nothing! She just forgives. Forgiving is her nature. She has to forgive. She finds her own way. She enlightens all the chakras by itself. It’s your own mother! Sleeping for days together, years together, ages together, lives together. And She rises, She rises and She pierces this area. And you become a different person all together, like an egg becoming a bird, you become a bird. Your awareness is different. A bird has a different awareness from an egg’s awareness. And that is the real second birth, is not that you just certify yourself, “Oh, I am born again!” There are people who are going around [saying], “We are born again!” I said, “Who says so?” “Yes we are!” “But how? What is the proof that you are born again?” If you are going to live with myths, if you are going to live with untruth, you can go ahead. Nobody can stop you, you have freedom. You have freedom to do what you like; whatever things you want to do you can do it and learn from your mistakes, errors. Nobody can stop you. That’s your freedom: once granted is granted forever. I mean if somebody wants to take two running jumps and go to hell how can you stop it? You cannot stop it. Its only you, when you get your Realisation, then you know that, where is the Spirit. You know that you are the Spirit. You know it within yourself, not just the rational mind tells you, “Oh I am the Spirit,” just to believe, “I am the Spirit.” It’s not that, but you start manifesting your Spirit and manifestation of the Spirit gives you complete enlightenment within because you can feel your centres on your fingers. Normally you don’t feel, you don’t know what centres you have. Even a child can feel the centres on the fingers. Even the person who cannot speak, who is deaf, can feel these centres. All these seven felt centres you can feel: not only of your own but of others. As you grow in your knowledge [of] how to use this new power then you can cure others of their various problems of the chakras and you can give them Realisation too! You can do it. It’s your own Spirit that is going to work out: is the manifestation of your own Spirit. Then you know the knowledge, you know the truth. Embodying all the truths is one truth is that you are instrument of God and the power of Divine love start flowing through you and you can know what is that power through feeling it in your conscious mind, not only that but you can manoeuvre it, you can master it. This is what one has to expect of Self-realisation. Not a certificate, not just a book, not just a receipt that: “I have paid so many pounds to someone.” It’s the certificate that you have to give yourself very truthfully. Your own truthfulness is challenged in Sahaj Yoga. You cannot lie. When you get your Realisation you do feel it, and if you do not get it you just do not get it. Nobody can force Realisation on you. One can help. For example now there are so many Sahaj Yogis today here, sitting, very beautiful people. They are outwardly just like you, but from their hand this power is flowing and they know how to manoeuvre, how to give power to your aura, to your Kundalini to invite her, because they are enlightened ones and the enlighten ones can enlighten the unenlightened ones. And once the unenlightened are also enlightened they can do the same thing to others after learning the method how to do it. But before that, you are naïve; you do not know anything about it. So far whatever you have known, if it was of any value you would have been there. But you do not know and one should not feel bad about it. Because we are born like that: we are to be born again. There’s nothing wrong in being born as human beings and then to be born again. Only human beings can be born again, not animals. So there’s nothing to feel bad about it. Some people get hurt when they find other Sahaj Yogis are working on them. But tomorrow the same Sahaj Yogis, you will be amazed, will be helping you very much to sustain your Realisation and then you will become a Sahaj Yogi and you will start doing it. And then the whole priorities will change because the joy of your Spirit is so great, is so tremendous, that you would not like to lose it and it flows through your fingers like cool breeze and that’s the indication that you are all right and Spirit is manifesting. But when you displease the Spirit you will immediately know that the vibrations have stopped. Any question, any fundamental question like, “Is there God?” If you ask, immediately the vibrations will start coming with great power, showing that, “Yes, there is God.” Your computer starts working. It is so amazing, it is so amazing, because you do not know that you are a computer. It would be like a television set, suddenly brought to some villagers and you start it, they say, “What, it looked like a box, ordinary box and what has started? There’s some pictures have started coming into it?” In the same way you are made that way specially, by God Almighty - if you want I will call it Nature - and now you have become that. So becoming is the main point in the Sahaj Yoga and not just lecturing and talking about it. You may hear all my lectures there are - I don’t know how many, hundreds - you may do anything you like [but] nothing will go into your head or into your heart unless and until you have Realisation. It can only mean to you that, yes there is way of doing it and all that, but unless and until you have actualised it, it is useless, everything is useless for you. So it is the actualisation it’s the real happening one should ask for. And if it happens to you, you should know that God has blessed you specially. There are very few people in this world - I found when I was born - who were realised-souls. And today there are so many: they speak the same language, they talk the same language and they understand it, what it is, because now they are exposed to the new laws of divinity. The Divine laws, the laws of God’s Kingdom, they are very different from what we know. Unless and until you evolve into that new state, you cannot understand God. You have to know yourself to know the God. It’s like the eyes that have to open to see the colour. In the same way your Spirit has to come into your conscious mind so that you know God in your conscious mind. I would like you people to ask me some questions, the new people who have come and old people. If there are some questions I would like to answer. But you see it’s such a big subject and every time I have to go with the introduction. I thought somebody must have given you introduction to you, but doesn’t matter there’s book which you can read and find out yourself. But it’s best to know, is to have it. Seeker: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: What can one do? Good idea. You got Realisation last time. The problem is, it’s a collective happening. Many people have to get Realisation and it’s not individualistic. We are all part and parcel of the whole, so if one finger is enlightened, that finger should try to enlighten another finger. That is the best way, best way because once this finger tries that it gets its power more. Why should God give power to anyone who just wants to keep it to himself? The power increases as you start giving it to others. Like when you open one door no air will come in, but if you open the other door the circulation starts. In the same way when you start giving it to others - start raising the Kundalini; right now you can start. Just don’t be afraid, you can do it - you will find immediately inside you will be coming up. Those who try to be exclusive and try to be something great by doing everything at home and, “Especially for myself!” They are nowhere. I find such people have horrible drawbacks. Mix up with the other people: share it, share it all the time and give Realisation to others. Those who have given Realisation to others have come up very much. Those who think of others being realised, come up much faster than the people who sit at home and meditate for five hours. There’s no need to meditate like that. At the most just to cleanse yourself you can spend about ten, fifteen minutes. But there are many people whose attention is only on themselves: “I must cleanse, I must cleanse I must do this,” such people do not get very far in Sahaj Yog. Those people who try to do it for others, talk to other people, work out much better. I would say Australians have done much better than English have done. Maybe because of their temperaments, maybe. And they are not such closed people you see. For example they have their friends and there’s no taboo on discussing religion with friends as it is in England. I think in England nobody discusses religion. They’ll discuss the pubs and all nonsense and all filth, but not the religion. They are not supposed to: in etiquettes it is prohibited I think. So naturally this taboo leads you nowhere, because you can’t talk of Sahaj Yoga to your friends, who are there. If they come to your house, you can ask them what are the new wines in the market or, something, such an ‘important’ thing they will talk about. But you can’t talk about religion or your experiences of Sahaj Yoga that’s the problem - it’s regarded as bad manners. Now the question is that, these things are to be shared and that’s why the Sahaj Yoga you can only talk among Sahaj Yogis so it [only] circulates among Sahaj Yogis. Nobody wants to hear about it. Even if you try to tell them they’ll say,”Oh don’t tell us that we are not interested!” It’s a very funny thing. The other day I met a gentleman who had divorced his wife, and she got her Realisation somewhere and he got Realisation somewhere and both of them met in a group. She said, “How are you here?” He said, “How are you here?” She said, “We both got Realisation.” She said, “But you never told me about this!” He said, “I didn’t want to discuss religion.” So she said, “I also got Realisation I didn’t want to discuss religion.” Ultimately they discussed their divorce and had a divorce, you see! And if they had just told them that both of them are realised and they would have never divorced, because he thought this lady is not a seeker so he divorced her, and she thought he was not. Even if they had felt each other’s vibrations they would have been all right to know. But she got her Realisation in another place and he got Realisation in another place, and they never knew that both are realised people on the same plane. He thought she was very materialistic and she thought that he was very materialistic. And then there was misunderstanding about it. And they are not to discuss, one should not say these things. Naturally everything ended up in a divorce and now they want to marry again! This is the one of the reasons why, in this country, I think Sahaj Yoga doesn’t work out because you are not supposed to tell anyone. At the most you may tell it to your children, maybe, I don’t know, to your mother, father sometimes. And all such people who have tried have been able to bring their relations here. But it’s only relations, not in friends. With friends you are not supposed to say anything. It’s a funny thing, isn’t it? This is the society! What to do now? I hope gradually it will change, when people will know about these things. And in Australia what they do is to have programmes for seven days. It is very interesting I have got this from there. In the ashram they have seven days programme and out of this one day they have a public programme. On this day every Sahaj Yogi is supposed to bring four more. He’s not allowed to come unless and until brings four more that day. And you have to bring four more you cannot just come to Mothers programme and they can’t listen to my tapes or anything unless and until they bring four more. But it is possible in Australia because I found the people much more open you see and they are. I mean here, because of the climate may be or we are frightened of others whatever it is, there are certain taboos. Like etiquettes, I think they don’t believe much in etiquettes perhaps. Like here there was an announcement that: now you need not to do courtesy because of tight clothes so you can just bow. Something like that may turn up now that you can discuss about seeking, if not about religion, I hope so. And this may be one of the reason people just can’t talk about it. But still whomsoever, whom you know, you should try to tell them that: “I have an experience. I met such and such person and this and that.” Immediately you will surprised your vibrations will go up. It is like this, that bigger the room, the bigger is the light provided for. If it is a smaller room then we don’t put a big light, isn’t it? In the same way if you have a wider thing. There’s a one gentleman in India I told you that he gave Realisation to ten thousand people. I must say that in Cambridge, Hillary and Jim and Dawn have given Realisation to so many people, so many people. It’s interesting because there are Chilean people, and the Chileans don’t believe in such etiquettes so it has worked with them. Maybe one day this may work out here when we’ll talk to others. So this is the only way you can really grow. Seeker: (Inaudible) Shri Mataji: Oh of course it is very important. No that’s true you have to cleanse yourself also. There’s a way and method. I must circulate that, it’s a beautiful thing they have written down these Australian: how they cleanse themselves, how they clear out there chakras. That is very important. Of course you have to clean, [but] say supposing you clean your car every day and you don’t move out. After sometime it will become a junk. It’s like that. You are cleaning yourself for what? What is the purpose? Every day we are cleaning, say the house and everything and not even a rat comes in then what’s the use of such a house? If we clean all the lamps it should give light otherwise what’s the use of cleaning? It must have a purpose. You must have a purpose. Otherwise some people are just meditating, meditating for what, I just don’t understand, why are they meditating? For what? In all these gurus, they just say, “Oh you go home and meditate.” But do what? “Next time bring all the money to me and again you go home and meditate.” Then if money is finished, “Now sell your house bring all the money to me and meditate.” Then that is done then, “Sell your car, sell everything, you stand on the streets and meditate.” This is not the way! (Laughing) It has become a sort of a pass time for people instead of going to pubs, maybe it is expensive, better meditate. It’s something like that you know. It has no meaning to this meditation. Meditation is that you have to be in meditation when you see that these centres are in problem, you cleanse them understandingly, purify them and then use it for a purpose of giving it to others. And once you start doing it, it works better, your instrument works much, much better. It’s a dual way of doing things. All right? Seeker: Can the realised people recognise other people who are realised? Shri Mataji: Of course, minimum of minimum. Same Seeker: (Inaudible) Shri Mataji: No I wouldn’t say that. You see, Realisation is that, first it’s a linear movement of the Kundalini, so it depends on what chakras are catching. Supposing somebody has a Nabhi problem. So you can’t say it’s a different stage but he has a Nabhi problem, a particular problem. Somebody has some other problem, like that. But the other stage comes in when we would say that once the first stage is called as Nirvichar Samadhi that you achieve even before Realisation, I mean you achieve but you do not retain it. When the Kundalini crosses over this centre (of Agnya) then this Nirvichar Samadhi -means thoughtless awareness - settles in. But with this you can cure people but cannot raise Kundalini. But when it pierces through then you can raise the Kundalini of other people. But when it is settled down nicely, and when you are absolutely without any doubts, it’s a state, it’s a state of mind that comes into you where you are absolutely doubtlessly aware. When that happens then only we expose you to new experiences, before that we do not. That’s a thing we have a little, we should say, a little group of people where you have to go up to Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Unless and until you go to that stage you cannot be exposed to new experiences because you may shun it. Because the truth can be quite difficult for you. So that’s the second stage we can say, where you are exposed to those new experiences. But first stage is to become thoughtlessly aware with the vibrations. But you can give Realisation to others, you can give. But Nirvikalpa is a different thing that: whatever may happen you know that this is the truth, whatever may happen. That stage is to be achieved. It’s a stage. It’s a very high stage I would say where you are so sensitive to things that immediately you know what is negativity, from where it is coming, how the attack is coming, how others are affected. We have a quite a lot of them among here also people and then you are exposed to new experiences better, and then you rise in there - that’s the Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Then the complete Self-realisation comes in, in a person, where he’s not bothered about catching from anyone or getting any catches or anything and he goes on with a very confident attitude towards Sahaj Yoga. I mean he is not bothered whether, “I am catching or something is happening. I will not see that person.” That sort of stage. And we have some people on that stage who are, I can say, self-realised fully. They can control even elements. There are people, we have got such people. Beyond that is the stage of God’s-realisation. That’s again in three stages works out. But just now let’s start from the very beginning and it will work out I am sure now. Now I’ve been working here for seven years and actually some of these people who are at Nirvikalpa have not been here even for a year. So it can work very fast. As the people grow in number, these stages also grow in maturity very fast. You mature much faster as the people are more. When there were few people you should know that I had six people I was struggling with them for four years in England. Even in India the first disciples who got Realisation were with me for two years continuously and then they got Realisation, the first twelve. It’s like that. Now you know, everybody, all of you, are giving Realisation. Seeker: (Unclear) Shri Mataji: Oh dynamic, absolutely dynamic. Efficiency is too simple a word. You just become dynamic. Because a dynamic starts flowing through. You don’t know how things work out. It’s amazing! It’s amazing how things work out. Then all the forces which are dynamic, Divine start their play in every way, material way also, I must say. Like London Sahaj Yogis wanted to have some houses. They said, “All right.” Now they have so many houses they don’t know what to do them! (Laughter) This is the condition: they don’t know what to do, from where to get people to house them. This is the condition. While nobody can get a house like that for one year absolutely free or two years absolutely free, a house that is just to be painted or something. And many houses like that. They are getting one after so many houses [that] they don’t know what to do with that! I mean, a person will have to live in three houses if we have to divide them! (Laughter) And a lady came to me she said I am told that houses are only given to Sahaj Yogis so I want to join Sahaj Yoga. I said, “Very good idea! But first you must get your Realisation, otherwise the Sahaj Yogis won’t have you anywhere near. They don’t want people with bad vibrations. So you have to get your Realisation.” I mean, it’s just a one of the small instances but there are a thousand and one because it becomes dynamic. Your desire get enlightened. First of all your desires become sensible, you have wise desires and they get enlightened: means you desire and you get it. You are amazed! Lady Seeker: (Unclear) Shri Mataji: It is fantastic! Can you stand up please? I can’t hear you. You please stand up here. Australian Seeker: It’s described how the Holy Spirit came on the Apostles in the Acts of The Apostles, is that the same thing that you are talking about? Shri Mataji: I don’t think that was Holy Ghost. These apostles were also, the less said the better! You will know about them. They were not realised, they never believed in Christ till He got His resurrection which they saw with their eyes they never believed in Him. You will know more about them. I don’t want to go into any controversies but that’s not the way. You see, there are many people you have seen now. The other day I saw in BBC a man who is painting like Van Gogh. And he can say that, “I have got Holy Ghost on me!” That’s not the way, it’s a [dead] spirit. Why God should make him paint like him? If God has to give you something, He has to give you something that you cannot do. If you start speaking many languages, may be so many dead spirits must have entered into people. There are many people who do that way. They just start talking so many languages, there are spirits in them. What is there to speak many languages? What is so great? We have in India one gentleman who can speak twenty-eight languages, so what? He’s not a realised-soul by any chance. But how to talk [to them]? They were just ordinary fishermen and they would not listen. You see, they were thinking they were obliging Christ. Every day there were list of relations who were sick, who were brought to Christ, and [it was] a big problem you know, a very tragic thing, horrible. People are much wiser now. It’s very different now. How could you talk to these people about Kundalini, could you? This is what happened with everyone who came on this Earth. Even Mohammad Sahib. They know how to butcher. You see, these people are not seekers and they came to Christ. They were not seekers. If they were…I must say John was the best among [them]. Even Mathew, he argued so much about the Immaculate Conception. You see, you don’t know what was all that. Forget it! You’ll know about them later on. It is better you see now, to yourself. Now I am before you, all right, forget about them. Let’s have it out. It’s not that same thing. You won’t be speaking many languages I can assure you! (Laughing) But cold wind is the thing, that’s the thing. That’s very true. We had one experience of that: one gentleman who was doing black magic, when, you say, he was ‘archbishop’ of black magic, he came to Sahaj Yoga and he got his Realisation he got the cold wind. And after that all the cups and saucers in his house started flying around and everything happening. I mean it has happen very recently, about I think fifteen, twenty days back. And at about twelve o’clock in the night, people from Brighton rang me at twelve o’clock in the night, “Mother horrible things happening!” I said, “What happened?” “We gave Realisation to one man and the whole house is in a whirlwind! Everything is moving around and we don’t know what to do and everything cracking!” “Oh God!” I said, “who is this gentleman whom you gave Realisation?” He said, “He is very great in black magic this and that.” I said, “Why did you give him Realisation?” It’s a thing you know, they try to tempt, because these spirits were around and they wanted to tempt him. They want to frighten also. Because he has been so much with them, they don’t want to give them up. And these things happen. But that’s not the thing that we should expect. There was a lady whom I gave Realisation. I told her that, “Because you are been indulging into nonsensical things, your guru was a very big tantrik and he used to do all such tricks, you may start doing that after Realisation also.” So she said, “No, no, no, Mother I don’t want all that, I want param, I want the reality, I don’t want that.” I said, “But still it will happen. Somebody may try to tempt you so. Because they do not want you to be realised.” And it happened to her! Rice started falling from her hand, and then she took another turn. Ultimately she became a mad woman. So it is so. It can happen, but rarely, not so much if you have not been a professional black magician or something, it will not happen. We have misunderstood many things and that’s why it is necessary to know it and then understand. Because if I tell you something there would be blockade and barrier in your mind. As it is people are brainwashed by so many things. Like those who are Muslims don’t want to look at Christ, they don’t want to hear. Those who are Christians don’t want to hear about anybody else. Those who are Hindus, they don’t want to know about anybody else. But Sahaj Yoga gives meaning to all of them. All them, are important. All of them. Every one is important for Sahaj Yoga and they reside within us in those different chakras. It’s a very different thing. One has to first see and then judge. Not to judge about anything without seeing it. But without seeing, whatever we judge may not be correct. All right? Should we have the vibrations now? Let’s. Please put your hand like this. Just be relaxed. You have to ask for your Realisation, otherwise it doesn’t work out, I must tell you. Douglas [Fry] please open these windows. There should be some cross-ventilation I think. Let it be, that’s sufficient. It’s all right. It’s like a little brahmarandhra hole blowing some [air]. Put your hands like this and close your eyes Please keep the eyes closed, don’t keep them open, because the Kundalini won’t rise above the Agnya if you keep your eyes open. Please keep them closed. You will start feeling cool breeze in the hand that’s the only thing that happens. But nobody can certify. It is you who has to feel. Also from your fontanel bone area, if you put your left hand you can see cool breeze coming in. Who are the new people? I would like to see them.

“Where does the truth lie?” Caxton Hall, London (UK), 6 July 1981. How many are new today? I am sure somebody must have spoken before, no? All right. You all have been seeking, and seeking the truth about yourself. Where does the truth lie? When are we the most truthful people? Where, at what point, we cannot deceive, whatever we may try? When it is heartfelt. When it is our heart’s desire, then we always try to go ahead with it. But it has to be heart’s desire not the rationality, not the brain’s desire. Because you can make your brain understand. Your intelligence can be compromised. Whatever is heartfelt you want to do it. You cannot be satisfied without doing it. So, in the heart lies the truth. That is the Spirit that lies in your heart. But that is not in our conscious mind. We do not know how it manifests. We have heard that it is eternal, indestructible, is the source of joy and is the attention of God. That’s what we have heard. All such things which are preached may be regarded as hearsays. People might say, “What’s the proof that there is a Spirit in our heart?” Thank God, people have discovered the heart at least there, if not the Spirit! How are we to believe that there is Spirit - that we have a dimension which is beyond this human dimension, which is the dimension of the Spirit, the Spiritual dimension - by which we can feel the All-pervading Power of Divine love? It’s all being told to us by all the priests of all the religions. Now where is that Spirit? Whether it resides in the heart or where? How are we to know? How are we to believe? Or are we to deny all those people? Did they tell us lies about it? They may say, “You imagine, now, [that] your awareness is that of the Spirit.” By imagination you are not there! It’s just an imagination. Suddenly you find it was just a bubble and whole thing has burst off. So today the questioning mind comes to a point, to inquire: is there something called Spirit that we have to identify with? This inquiry itself is a seeking, because you also do not know what is the meaning of your life? You also do not know why you were made a human being? What was the need for the nature to create human beings on this Earth? Why they took so much time to create it, evolve us to this stage where we are called as human beings? Nobody asked the question why: the scientists do not. Also the people who are so called religious do not ask the question why, they just believed in it, “Have faith! Have faith! Faith is the only way you can go to God.” Blind faith! That’s a good consolation, just a consolation for the heart, “Oh, I have faith in this and this.” But tomorrow our children will ask us, I mean, they are already asking: “What is all this going about? Why you are wasting your time and our time in all this useless things?” And they are going to ask: “Is there any truth in, what you are saying? I s there God?” So, a long time back people decided: “Forget God! Turn your back. That question is a mystery. Forget it. Let’s start something else.” So they started science, this that. Science is nothing but whatever is there you just say, with these gross eyes human eyes you see, now a hall like this, and a carpet and all that you see whatever you see you just say, “This is it, this is it.” The laws of science are also whatever they see, experimented, whatever is discovered because it exists. So whatever they have discovered it is the science. But there may be something they have not been able to discover, something beyond; and could be always, because every theory they put up is challenged, every new thought they put in is challenged, even whatever are accepted as Newton’s Law, and all that, are challenged today. So everything is challenged and human beings are just confused. They can’t understand, whether there is some truth in it or not. In this era of confusion seekers are born, these are the seekers of the truth. It’s a rare category, used to be very rare before, not in this age of course. In this age there are many, they are really seekers. Of course, some could be, just out of the fashion, seekers; because, “Everybody is a seeker all right, everybody is a hippy I become a hippy.” “They are all going on those skates; let me also buy some skates!” It’s like that. But some are really seekers. They may do some guru shopping they may go wrong. They may have a little fun here and there. They may try to go to places where their ego is pampered and they may like to spend some money if they have some extra money inherited or something; like putting it on a horse (gambling) they may put it for their Spiritual life. Anything is possible. But one has to understand: why are we seeking? Again the ‘why’. Of course, because we do not know the meaning of our life. But maybe that we have evolved to this state and we have to evolve to some higher state. Like the fishes who were in the sea were quite happy, but one or two of them started seeking something else, so they came out of the sea and started seeking. And they became turtles or reptiles and the evolution started moving further. We have not yet reached the epitome, or we can say the climax, of our evolution because we do not know our meaning. For example now, this instrument as it is you see: to a lay person like me it will be difficult to guess what it is for and even to a person who knows what it is it will be difficult to play it if he does not know and a person, who also knows how to play, it will be difficult to play if it is not connected to the mains. So we can say there are people of four types in this world. Out of them, the seekers are the one who are just ready to be connected to the mains. They are a type. As soon as they are connected to the mains they start manifesting themselves very well. Immediately they start understanding Sahaj Yog. ‘Sahaja’: ‘saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’ - is born with you. This right to be in union with God, that is yoga, is born with you. .And this Sahaja, this spontaneous happening, takes place more in a seeker than in a non-seeker. And the one who knows how to play this instrument is the one who can connect. The second one is the one who wants to know how to play it, will be the first to know how to play it. But those who do not want who are not interested, those who just come to show off, those who are not seekers, they may be some big people, may be kings and queens and may be anything, they might be priests, they might be anything but those who do not want to know about their Spirit are difficult, are extremely difficult. It’s a headache. Sometimes they feel they are going to oblige Sahaj Yoga, by coming to Sahaj Yog. It’s just the other way round: Sahaj Yoga is a very receding force - it judges you very much. This evolution takes place in people who want to know, who want to get into it. Imagine of the fishes who came out of the water, they can’t live without water. To come out of water and to find their new ways of life, new understanding of the soil, was very difficult. Though Sahaj Yoga is not difficult at all. Once you get your Realisation, once the Kundalini rises, when she pierces your fontanel bone, when you get your baptism, when it passes through various chakras and enlightens your different centres, you get all the blessings of this power within you which is resting, sleeping; which you can awaken and use it. When this power rises, She cools you down completely. She’s so blissful. She’s compassion. She forgives. There are people who think, “Oh Mother, we have committed so many sins!” It’s nothing! She just forgives. Forgiving is her nature. She has to forgive. She finds her own way. She enlightens all the chakras by itself. It’s your own mother! Sleeping for days together, years together, ages together, lives together. And She rises, She rises and She pierces this area. And you become a different person all together, like an egg becoming a bird, you become a bird. Your awareness is different. A bird has a different awareness from an egg’s awareness. And that is the real second birth, is not that you just certify yourself, “Oh, I am born again!” There are people who are going around [saying], “We are born again!” I said, “Who says so?” “Yes we are!” “But how? What is the proof that you are born again?” If you are going to live with myths, if you are going to live with untruth, you can go ahead. Nobody can stop you, you have freedom. You have freedom to do what you like; whatever things you want to do you can do it and learn from your mistakes, errors. Nobody can stop you. That’s your freedom: once granted is granted forever. I mean if somebody wants to take two running jumps and go to hell how can you stop it? You cannot stop it. Its only you, when you get your Realisation, then you know that, where is the Spirit. You know that you are the Spirit. You know it within yourself, not just the rational mind tells you, “Oh I am the Spirit,” just to believe, “I am the Spirit.” It’s not that, but you start manifesting your Spirit and manifestation of the Spirit gives you complete enlightenment within because you can feel your centres on your fingers. Normally you don’t feel, you don’t know what centres you have. Even a child can feel the centres on the fingers. Even the person who cannot speak, who is deaf, can feel these centres. All these seven felt centres you can feel: not only of your own but of others. As you grow in your knowledge [of] how to use this new power then you can cure others of their various problems of the chakras and you can give them Realisation too! You can do it. It’s your own Spirit that is going to work out: is the manifestation of your own Spirit. Then you know the knowledge, you know the truth. Embodying all the truths is one truth is that you are instrument of God and the power of Divine love start flowing through you and you can know what is that power through feeling it in your conscious mind, not only that but you can manoeuvre it, you can master it. This is what one has to expect of Self-realisation. Not a certificate, not just a book, not just a receipt that: “I have paid so many pounds to someone.” It’s the certificate that you have to give yourself very truthfully. Your own truthfulness is challenged in Sahaj Yoga. You cannot lie. When you get your Realisation you do feel it, and if you do not get it you just do not get it. Nobody can force Realisation on you. One can help. For example now there are so many Sahaj Yogis today here, sitting, very beautiful people. They are outwardly just like you, but from their hand this power is flowing and they know how to manoeuvre, how to give power to your aura, to your Kundalini to invite her, because they are enlightened ones and the enlighten ones can enlighten the unenlightened ones. And once the unenlightened are also enlightened they can do the same thing to others after learning the method how to do it. But before that, you are naïve; you do not know anything about it. So far whatever you have known, if it was of any value you would have been there. But you do not know and one should not feel bad about it. Because we are born like that: we are to be born again. There’s nothing wrong in being born as human beings and then to be born again. Only human beings can be born again, not animals. So there’s nothing to feel bad about it. Some people get hurt when they find other Sahaj Yogis are working on them. But tomorrow the same Sahaj Yogis, you will be amazed, will be helping you very much to sustain your Realisation and then you will become a Sahaj Yogi and you will start doing it. And then the whole priorities will change because the joy of your Spirit is so great, is so tremendous, that you would not like to lose it and it flows through your fingers like cool breeze and that’s the indication that you are all right and Spirit is manifesting. But when you displease the Spirit you will immediately know that the vibrations have stopped. Any question, any fundamental question like, “Is there God?” If you ask, immediately the vibrations will start coming with great power, showing that, “Yes, there is God.” Your computer starts working. It is so amazing, it is so amazing, because you do not know that you are a computer. It would be like a television set, suddenly brought to some villagers and you start it, they say, “What, it looked like a box, ordinary box and what has started? There’s some pictures have started coming into it?” In the same way you are made that way specially, by God Almighty - if you want I will call it Nature - and now you have become that. So becoming is the main point in the Sahaj Yoga and not just lecturing and talking about it. You may hear all my lectures there are - I don’t know how many, hundreds - you may do anything you like [but] nothing will go into your head or into your heart unless and until you have Realisation. It can only mean to you that, yes there is way of doing it and all that, but unless and until you have actualised it, it is useless, everything is useless for you. So it is the actualisation it’s the real happening one should ask for. And if it happens to you, you should know that God has blessed you specially. There are very few people in this world - I found when I was born - who were realised-souls. And today there are so many: they speak the same language, they talk the same language and they understand it, what it is, because now they are exposed to the new laws of divinity. The Divine laws, the laws of God’s Kingdom, they are very different from what we know. Unless and until you evolve into that new state, you cannot understand God. You have to know yourself to know the God. It’s like the eyes that have to open to see the colour. In the same way your Spirit has to come into your conscious mind so that you know God in your conscious mind. I would like you people to ask me some questions, the new people who have come and old people. If there are some questions I would like to answer. But you see it’s such a big subject and every time I have to go with the introduction. I thought somebody must have given you introduction to you, but doesn’t matter there’s book which you can read and find out yourself. But it’s best to know, is to have it. Seeker: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: What can one do? Good idea. You got Realisation last time. The problem is, it’s a collective happening. Many people have to get Realisation and it’s not individualistic. We are all part and parcel of the whole, so if one finger is enlightened, that finger should try to enlighten another finger. That is the best way, best way because once this finger tries that it gets its power more. Why should God give power to anyone who just wants to keep it to himself? The power increases as you start giving it to others. Like when you open one door no air will come in, but if you open the other door the circulation starts. In the same way when you start giving it to others - start raising the Kundalini; right now you can start. Just don’t be afraid, you can do it - you will find immediately inside you will be coming up. Those who try to be exclusive and try to be something great by doing everything at home and, “Especially for myself!” They are nowhere. I find such people have horrible drawbacks. Mix up with the other people: share it, share it all the time and give Realisation to others. Those who have given Realisation to others have come up very much. Those who think of others being realised, come up much faster than the people who sit at home and meditate for five hours. There’s no need to meditate like that. At the most just to cleanse yourself you can spend about ten, fifteen minutes. But there are many people whose attention is only on themselves: “I must cleanse, I must cleanse I must do this,” such people do not get very far in Sahaj Yog. Those people who try to do it for others, talk to other people, work out much better. I would say Australians have done much better than English have done. Maybe because of their temperaments, maybe. And they are not such closed people you see. For example they have their friends and there’s no taboo on discussing religion with friends as it is in England. I think in England nobody discusses religion. They’ll discuss the pubs and all nonsense and all filth, but not the religion. They are not supposed to: in etiquettes it is prohibited I think. So naturally this taboo leads you nowhere, because you can’t talk of Sahaj Yoga to your friends, who are there. If they come to your house, you can ask them what are the new wines in the market or, something, such an ‘important’ thing they will talk about. But you can’t talk about religion or your experiences of Sahaj Yoga that’s the problem - it’s regarded as bad manners. Now the question is that, these things are to be shared and that’s why the Sahaj Yoga you can only talk among Sahaj Yogis so it [only] circulates among Sahaj Yogis. Nobody wants to hear about it. Even if you try to tell them they’ll say,”Oh don’t tell us that we are not interested!” It’s a very funny thing. The other day I met a gentleman who had divorced his wife, and she got her Realisation somewhere and he got Realisation somewhere and both of them met in a group. She said, “How are you here?” He said, “How are you here?” She said, “We both got Realisation.” She said, “But you never told me about this!” He said, “I didn’t want to discuss religion.” So she said, “I also got Realisation I didn’t want to discuss religion.” Ultimately they discussed their divorce and had a divorce, you see! And if they had just told them that both of them are realised and they would have never divorced, because he thought this lady is not a seeker so he divorced her, and she thought he was not. Even if they had felt each other’s vibrations they would have been all right to know. But she got her Realisation in another place and he got Realisation in another place, and they never knew that both are realised people on the same plane. He thought she was very materialistic and she thought that he was very materialistic. And then there was misunderstanding about it. And they are not to discuss, one should not say these things. Naturally everything ended up in a divorce and now they want to marry again! This is the one of the reasons why, in this country, I think Sahaj Yoga doesn’t work out because you are not supposed to tell anyone. At the most you may tell it to your children, maybe, I don’t know, to your mother, father sometimes. And all such people who have tried have been able to bring their relations here. But it’s only relations, not in friends. With friends you are not supposed to say anything. It’s a funny thing, isn’t it? This is the society! What to do now? I hope gradually it will change, when people will know about these things. And in Australia what they do is to have programmes for seven days. It is very interesting I have got this from there. In the ashram they have seven days programme and out of this one day they have a public programme. On this day every Sahaj Yogi is supposed to bring four more. He’s not allowed to come unless and until brings four more that day. And you have to bring four more you cannot just come to Mothers programme and they can’t listen to my tapes or anything unless and until they bring four more. But it is possible in Australia because I found the people much more open you see and they are. I mean here, because of the climate may be or we are frightened of others whatever it is, there are certain taboos. Like etiquettes, I think they don’t believe much in etiquettes perhaps. Like here there was an announcement that: now you need not to do courtesy because of tight clothes so you can just bow. Something like that may turn up now that you can discuss about seeking, if not about religion, I hope so. And this may be one of the reason people just can’t talk about it. But still whomsoever, whom you know, you should try to tell them that: “I have an experience. I met such and such person and this and that.” Immediately you will surprised your vibrations will go up. It is like this, that bigger the room, the bigger is the light provided for. If it is a smaller room then we don’t put a big light, isn’t it? In the same way if you have a wider thing. There’s a one gentleman in India I told you that he gave Realisation to ten thousand people. I must say that in Cambridge, Hillary and Jim and Dawn have given Realisation to so many people, so many people. It’s interesting because there are Chilean people, and the Chileans don’t believe in such etiquettes so it has worked with them. Maybe one day this may work out here when we’ll talk to others. So this is the only way you can really grow. Seeker: (Inaudible) Shri Mataji: Oh of course it is very important. No that’s true you have to cleanse yourself also. There’s a way and method. I must circulate that, it’s a beautiful thing they have written down these Australian: how they cleanse themselves, how they clear out there chakras. That is very important. Of course you have to clean, [but] say supposing you clean your car every day and you don’t move out. After sometime it will become a junk. It’s like that. You are cleaning yourself for what? What is the purpose? Every day we are cleaning, say the house and everything and not even a rat comes in then what’s the use of such a house? If we clean all the lamps it should give light otherwise what’s the use of cleaning? It must have a purpose. You must have a purpose. Otherwise some people are just meditating, meditating for what, I just don’t understand, why are they meditating? For what? In all these gurus, they just say, “Oh you go home and meditate.” But do what? “Next time bring all the money to me and again you go home and meditate.” Then if money is finished, “Now sell your house bring all the money to me and meditate.” Then that is done then, “Sell your car, sell everything, you stand on the streets and meditate.” This is not the way! (Laughing) It has become a sort of a pass time for people instead of going to pubs, maybe it is expensive, better meditate. It’s something like that you know. It has no meaning to this meditation. Meditation is that you have to be in meditation when you see that these centres are in problem, you cleanse them understandingly, purify them and then use it for a purpose of giving it to others. And once you start doing it, it works better, your instrument works much, much better. It’s a dual way of doing things. All right? Seeker: Can the realised people recognise other people who are realised? Shri Mataji: Of course, minimum of minimum. Same Seeker: (Inaudible) Shri Mataji: No I wouldn’t say that. You see, Realisation is that, first it’s a linear movement of the Kundalini, so it depends on what chakras are catching. Supposing somebody has a Nabhi problem. So you can’t say it’s a different stage but he has a Nabhi problem, a particular problem. Somebody has some other problem, like that. But the other stage comes in when we would say that once the first stage is called as Nirvichar Samadhi that you achieve even before Realisation, I mean you achieve but you do not retain it. When the Kundalini crosses over this centre (of Agnya) then this Nirvichar Samadhi -means thoughtless awareness - settles in. But with this you can cure people but cannot raise Kundalini. But when it pierces through then you can raise the Kundalini of other people. But when it is settled down nicely, and when you are absolutely without any doubts, it’s a state, it’s a state of mind that comes into you where you are absolutely doubtlessly aware. When that happens then only we expose you to new experiences, before that we do not. That’s a thing we have a little, we should say, a little group of people where you have to go up to Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Unless and until you go to that stage you cannot be exposed to new experiences because you may shun it. Because the truth can be quite difficult for you. So that’s the second stage we can say, where you are exposed to those new experiences. But first stage is to become thoughtlessly aware with the vibrations. But you can give Realisation to others, you can give. But Nirvikalpa is a different thing that: whatever may happen you know that this is the truth, whatever may happen. That stage is to be achieved. It’s a stage. It’s a very high stage I would say where you are so sensitive to things that immediately you know what is negativity, from where it is coming, how the attack is coming, how others are affected. We have a quite a lot of them among here also people and then you are exposed to new experiences better, and then you rise in there - that’s the Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Then the complete Self-realisation comes in, in a person, where he’s not bothered about catching from anyone or getting any catches or anything and he goes on with a very confident attitude towards Sahaj Yoga. I mean he is not bothered whether, “I am catching or something is happening. I will not see that person.” That sort of stage. And we have some people on that stage who are, I can say, self-realised fully. They can control even elements. There are people, we have got such people. Beyond that is the stage of God’s-realisation. That’s again in three stages works out. But just now let’s start from the very beginning and it will work out I am sure now. Now I’ve been working here for seven years and actually some of these people who are at Nirvikalpa have not been here even for a year. So it can work very fast. As the people grow in number, these stages also grow in maturity very fast. You mature much faster as the people are more. When there were few people you should know that I had six people I was struggling with them for four years in England. Even in India the first disciples who got Realisation were with me for two years continuously and then they got Realisation, the first twelve. It’s like that. Now you know, everybody, all of you, are giving Realisation. Seeker: (Unclear) Shri Mataji: Oh dynamic, absolutely dynamic. Efficiency is too simple a word. You just become dynamic. Because a dynamic starts flowing through. You don’t know how things work out. It’s amazing! It’s amazing how things work out. Then all the forces which are dynamic, Divine start their play in every way, material way also, I must say. Like London Sahaj Yogis wanted to have some houses. They said, “All right.” Now they have so many houses they don’t know what to do them! (Laughter) This is the condition: they don’t know what to do, from where to get people to house them. This is the condition. While nobody can get a house like that for one year absolutely free or two years absolutely free, a house that is just to be painted or something. And many houses like that. They are getting one after so many houses [that] they don’t know what to do with that! I mean, a person will have to live in three houses if we have to divide them! (Laughter) And a lady came to me she said I am told that houses are only given to Sahaj Yogis so I want to join Sahaj Yoga. I said, “Very good idea! But first you must get your Realisation, otherwise the Sahaj Yogis won’t have you anywhere near. They don’t want people with bad vibrations. So you have to get your Realisation.” I mean, it’s just a one of the small instances but there are a thousand and one because it becomes dynamic. Your desire get enlightened. First of all your desires become sensible, you have wise desires and they get enlightened: means you desire and you get it. You are amazed! Lady Seeker: (Unclear) Shri Mataji: It is fantastic! Can you stand up please? I can’t hear you. You please stand up here. Australian Seeker: It’s described how the Holy Spirit came on the Apostles in the Acts of The Apostles, is that the same thing that you are talking about? Shri Mataji: I don’t think that was Holy Ghost. These apostles were also, the less said the better! You will know about them. They were not realised, they never believed in Christ till He got His resurrection which they saw with their eyes they never believed in Him. You will know more about them. I don’t want to go into any controversies but that’s not the way. You see, there are many people you have seen now. The other day I saw in BBC a man who is painting like Van Gogh. And he can say that, “I have got Holy Ghost on me!” That’s not the way, it’s a [dead] spirit. Why God should make him paint like him? If God has to give you something, He has to give you something that you cannot do. If you start speaking many languages, may be so many dead spirits must have entered into people. There are many people who do that way. They just start talking so many languages, there are spirits in them. What is there to speak many languages? What is so great? We have in India one gentleman who can speak twenty-eight languages, so what? He’s not a realised-soul by any chance. But how to talk [to them]? They were just ordinary fishermen and they would not listen. You see, they were thinking they were obliging Christ. Every day there were list of relations who were sick, who were brought to Christ, and [it was] a big problem you know, a very tragic thing, horrible. People are much wiser now. It’s very different now. How could you talk to these people about Kundalini, could you? This is what happened with everyone who came on this Earth. Even Mohammad Sahib. They know how to butcher. You see, these people are not seekers and they came to Christ. They were not seekers. If they were…I must say John was the best among [them]. Even Mathew, he argued so much about the Immaculate Conception. You see, you don’t know what was all that. Forget it! You’ll know about them later on. It is better you see now, to yourself. Now I am before you, all right, forget about them. Let’s have it out. It’s not that same thing. You won’t be speaking many languages I can assure you! (Laughing) But cold wind is the thing, that’s the thing. That’s very true. We had one experience of that: one gentleman who was doing black magic, when, you say, he was ‘archbishop’ of black magic, he came to Sahaj Yoga and he got his Realisation he got the cold wind. And after that all the cups and saucers in his house started flying around and everything happening. I mean it has happen very recently, about I think fifteen, twenty days back. And at about twelve o’clock in the night, people from Brighton rang me at twelve o’clock in the night, “Mother horrible things happening!” I said, “What happened?” “We gave Realisation to one man and the whole house is in a whirlwind! Everything is moving around and we don’t know what to do and everything cracking!” “Oh God!” I said, “who is this gentleman whom you gave Realisation?” He said, “He is very great in black magic this and that.” I said, “Why did you give him Realisation?” It’s a thing you know, they try to tempt, because these spirits were around and they wanted to tempt him. They want to frighten also. Because he has been so much with them, they don’t want to give them up. And these things happen. But that’s not the thing that we should expect. There was a lady whom I gave Realisation. I told her that, “Because you are been indulging into nonsensical things, your guru was a very big tantrik and he used to do all such tricks, you may start doing that after Realisation also.” So she said, “No, no, no, Mother I don’t want all that, I want param, I want the reality, I don’t want that.” I said, “But still it will happen. Somebody may try to tempt you so. Because they do not want you to be realised.” And it happened to her! Rice started falling from her hand, and then she took another turn. Ultimately she became a mad woman. So it is so. It can happen, but rarely, not so much if you have not been a professional black magician or something, it will not happen. We have misunderstood many things and that’s why it is necessary to know it and then understand. Because if I tell you something there would be blockade and barrier in your mind. As it is people are brainwashed by so many things. Like those who are Muslims don’t want to look at Christ, they don’t want to hear. Those who are Christians don’t want to hear about anybody else. Those who are Hindus, they don’t want to know about anybody else. But Sahaj Yoga gives meaning to all of them. All them, are important. All of them. Every one is important for Sahaj Yoga and they reside within us in those different chakras. It’s a very different thing. One has to first see and then judge. Not to judge about anything without seeing it. But without seeing, whatever we judge may not be correct. All right? Should we have the vibrations now? Let’s. Please put your hand like this. Just be relaxed. You have to ask for your Realisation, otherwise it doesn’t work out, I must tell you. Douglas [Fry] please open these windows. There should be some cross-ventilation I think. Let it be, that’s sufficient. It’s all right. It’s like a little brahmarandhra hole blowing some [air]. Put your hands like this and close your eyes Please keep the eyes closed, don’t keep them open, because the Kundalini won’t rise above the Agnya if you keep your eyes open. Please keep them closed. You will start feeling cool breeze in the hand that’s the only thing that happens. But nobody can certify. It is you who has to feel. Also from your fontanel bone area, if you put your left hand you can see cool breeze coming in. Who are the new people? I would like to see them.

7/10/1981

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The System Within, Public Programmme, Brighton UK, 1981-0710 I must thank Kingsley [Flint] for giving such a nice introduction. When I went to Australia, people asked me, are your disciples all scholars? I said, they come from all walks of life, there are very few who could really be called scholars but I think after getting realisation, you being the complete knowledge, new venues open within you. You start knowing so many things, like when you enter in this room and it is absolutely dark, you can’t see anything. You don’t know much about it, you don’t know how to walk, where to walk, you may just stumble down, but if there is light, you know so many things suddenly and you are amazed at yourself that you have come to know so many things. Now this knowledge that you have, is not the knowledge that we read in the books. If I put my finger to this flame here, it will burn. Anybody who puts the finger to the flame, it will burn. Now this knowledge that the finger has to burn has come to us through our experience and is built within us. Everybody gets it without paying for it, without making any effort for it, it is built in within us. In the same way, we are so organised within ourselves, we are made within ourselves so well that if this happening which he told you about, the awakening of the Kundalini, if it takes place, it is just like this instrument being connected to the mains and it starts working. I mean you are wonderfully made, no doubt about it and thousands of years, thousands and thousands and thousands of years have passed till you become a human being. This human being, the body, the mind is all made this way, organised this way for one purpose, and the one purpose is to become one with your spirit. Now, why? why should we become one with our spirit? Because the spirit is the universal being within us, is the reflection of God Almighty, is God reflected within us, in our heart. That spirit is eternal, it is not destructible, it is unattached and it is the witness of our lives. It witnesses what we are doing, it knows all the fields in which we move but it is not in our conscious mind. We cannot feel it, we cannot manoeuvre it, we cannot understand it’s powers. So the whole being is created, through a power of desire. The desire which is very strong, that you have to become the spirit is still unmanifested. It is residual and resides in the triangular bone called sacrum. Sacrum means sacred. Today on the radio, they asked me a question, that “Here the people are so complicated. Do you find it easy to convince people about God, about Kundalini? They are very sceptical, is it easy for you to do that?” It’s a very nice question because she could see my problem. Now I have to tell you one thing, that this power that resides within us has been there and many people have talked about it. It has been there, no doubt about it, but in modern times we want to know whether it is there or not. Now there are many people here who have seen the pulsation of this power in the triangular bone. They have seen it and you can also see it, for your conviction, to see for yourself. But I would suggest that there is no shop, nothing is selling here. This kind of sceptical attitude is alright for people who are going to buy something. That they want to know whether it is right or not. Suppose you are entering into a university and you are there to discover some scientific knowledge, then do you go with a sceptical mind? You go with an open mind. You need not be sceptical and you need not be closed. You need not be also following anything blindly that I say. There is no need to have blind faith in Sahaja Yoga, no need at all. It is for you to see for yourself if it works out or not. One should not come with an attitude that if it does not work out then there is something wrong about it, maybe there is something wrong with you, because there is nothing selling here, it is a gift. It’s a gift of God, it’s the grace of God because he is anxious to save this creation. That’s why he is giving it to you, to masses, it has never happened before. This is something so unique that is happening, I myself am surprised at the way it is working out. So when all this is happening, why not benefit by that? It is you who is going to benefit not me, not at all. When you understand this, your attitude will be much more positive towards taking realisation here. Now human beings are not going to be happy without their self being discovered, whatever you may try. You give them money, they become affluent then they will become hippies as they become fed up of it. You give them power, they will fight among themselves or they give up politics. They will never be satisfied with all these things because they know it is not satisfying, why? Because satisfaction can only be enjoyed by the spirit. Only the spirit can enjoy. Rest of the enjoyments are temporary, transitory and they vanish into thin air. All complexities of life, all problems of life that faces you, is because without knowing the absolute you have gone into relative dimensions. If you do not know where Brighton is and you have to go to Brighton, you move about all over the places and never reach the point. You will be complicated, no doubt. First of all you must discover that absolute, and that has to be, if you don’t do it, you are going to fail, in life, in satisfaction, in happiness. But, it’s not only that, it’s much more because the spirit has all the dynamism of God’s Divine power which is all pervading, which is everywhere, you cannot feel it, it is everywhere. I’ll say it is everywhere, there is music, drama, you won’t believe me until I put a television down here. In the same way unless and until you become one with yourself, you are not going to feel that all pervading power, that blissful power of God because you are not yet there. You have to enter into the kingdom of God. Now there is another objection that always comes in because people are very much Christian minded and they want to ask me one question which I have been wanting to answer many a time. They said that we can only reach God through Christ. Yes, that’s true but how? Where is Christ? Where is he? Do they know where does he exist? Are we going to pierce through his body? Where is his body? Where do you find him? He was crucified a long time back, he is no more. He is not in the churches, of this be assured and he is not with the priests at all, then where is he? He is within us, now where is he within us? No one knows about it, he exists within us. I say he exists where? You see this red mark? Behind that is a centre called agnya chakra, he resides there. You have to enter through that door of Christ, you have to awaken them. Unless and until you awaken Christ, you cannot enter the kingdom of God. (Mother asks a yogi if they have the chart so she could have shown the exact location of the kingdom of God) The kingdom of God is the limbic area and to enter into it, you have to pass through this very subtle centre which is placed in the centre of the optic chiasma, the centre governs the pituitary and the pineal body. You have to cross through that. What is it to cross? What are you? You are your attention. Your attention has to pass through that and awaken that centre. When you awaken that centre, Christ is awakened within you and your ego and superego, your karmas, so called, your sins, so called, all are sucked. You come into that area called the limbic area, your attention goes there by which you become collectively conscious, or you can say first you become just thoughtlessly aware. You are aware and you are thoughtlessly aware. There is no thought because both the ego and superego are sucked in. When the Kundalini pierces through this area, the fontanel bone area, I mean it’s a happening. It’s actualisation, it is not just talking, giving your brain a washing, that you are all born realised and carry a banner on your head ‘born again, born again’ as you see many people. I’m quite amazed at them, the way they talk. It’s surprising they go around saying, oh we are already realised souls. I said how? How do you know? The Kundalini is frozen down there, you can see it so clearly. They say we are born again…self certified.. You cannot get this certificate in any of these colleges, you cannot have a course in this. It’s like sprouting of the seed, now what course does sprouting of the seed have to do, poor thing. You just put it in the Mother Earth and it sprouts, Mother Earth knows how to do it. Now this has to happen within us. Another hurdle in all these western countries I’ve seen is this..why me? It’s a very common question they ask, why you Mother, I say why not you? Better have it (Mother’s sweet laughter) Better do it yourself, it would be a good idea, you see I would like to retire, it’s a very good idea that you do it for me, and you take my seat. As it is, I’m working very hard and sometimes my husband also gets very upset with it. He said it’s too much you have to work very hard and one day he put a question to some of the Sahaj Yogis, he said, now I don’t understand that when She has given you realisation, why are you troubling her again and again? What’s the matter with you? He is a man who has to deal with shipping and this girl said, Sir if there are second hand ships you have to repair them again and again, but we are fifth hand ships, so what to do? So, what I said was that this kind of foolish attitude and stupid attitude is not going to help us. For example, this flame is burning, do we ask the flame why do you burn and not these flowers? I mean, it’s somebody’s quality, somebody’s nature, somebody’s gift or somebody’s speciality you can call it. You could be doing this, I would be very happy if you were doing this, really I tell you, I would have been very happy, but it is not so. Now you know so many things, for example, you know driving. I don’t know, I don’t even know how to sign a cheque, I’m so hopelessly bad in banks. I don’t know how to manage money, I’m hopelessly bad in so many things, but I don’t feel bad about it in any way because supposing I don’t know that, I know this. I can’t open the switch of an ordinary tape recorder, but I can open the Kundalini, it’s alright. It’s a different thing altogether so why should you feel hurt? You cannot do each and every thing in the world can you? This kind of an attitude will make you unnecessarily put a barrier for yourself, because this is your own, this is within you. I’m a gardener, I’m doing nothing. I’m just like any enlightened light which is going to enlighten you so you should quieten on this point. Please tell your mind to keep quiet on this point. (some communication from the hall re false prophets) Nobody talks about them, I’m the only one talking about them. Beware of them. False prophets are there but false prophets can be known, can be understood but people don’t you see people go head long towards false prophets. For example if somebody says that you are going to fly in the air and pay £3000 for that. Are you going to become birds? You use no brains and you just go straight forward into it. There are people sitting here who have become insolvent because they tried to fly with this guru, but the guru never flew. Now, how to make out a false prophet? The thing is, you cannot pay for God I’m a happily married woman, quite well off, I mean I’m really very happily married, but if I’m doing this work, I’m not taking any money from you, nothing, you can’t pay for it. It’s something heavenly, this is the second point. Thirdly…the third sign of a false prophet is, what has he given you? Have you got your own powers? Can you feel your own powers? That’s one of the greatest tests. If somebody says that oh my guru is great, he’s really halfway to the lunatic asylum. A recluse and abnormal person. My guru has given me this lunacy and I’ve paid so much money for that. So you ask a question to him, what has he given you really? Can you feel the Kundalini of this lady or this gentleman? Can you give them realisation? Can you cure them? Can you understand where the problem is? Do you understand where the problem is within you? Minimum of minimum! Supposing somebody says I’ve got my eyes and he bumps into everything, will you call that person a person with eyes? You will definitely say that he doesn’t want to believe that he is blind. It is exactly like this, you must know that if it’s a true person, he will give you your own powers. (somebody speaking from the public) Mother’s response: I wish you could meet somebody who is here from Scotland, Peter [Pearce].is he here? You must meet him and you will know, it’s not only money, it’s much worse. I mean, you have to decide. The other day, I had from Norwich, three people who came to see me, and they could not put their hands towards me! They kept going like this and like that (shaking). I was amazed! And I asked them, “Where have you been?” They said, “We are coming from a lunatic asylum.” I said, “Really?” “We are certified mad people.” And where have they been? To your ‘great’ Maharshi (TM)! There is a lady in London (Mother asks yogis if she has come…she was not there so Mother mentions all can meet. There is further sound from the public to which Mother said ‘do not put me into controversy, better not discuss these horrible people, that’s all I will say, forget them) Further comments from public.. There are people who are suffering from epilepsy and they come to me. They are falling, they have lost all their wealth, their children are on the street, they come to me and they want to be saved. I wish before talking about this, you better talk to those people who have come to me and I have saved them. Not only saved them, but made something out of them. On the contrary, this man has made them horrible. Many people who have been there have become mad. This Mr Ben is suffering from a mysterious disease, from where did he get it? There is one Dr Fenwick, you better go and meet him, he is finding out about this fellow, the way he is giving epilepsy to many and I’ve cured the epilepsy of so many patients that he is coming to me to know how I’ve cured them. Do you know what dangers you stand with these people? You have no idea, you are so naïve. Did you ask him any questions? Please listen, you have not come here to give lectures, please sit down, listen now. You have not come here to ask questions, you are here to listen to me. Nobody asks questions to this dirty man, never, they just pay him straight forward. Did they ask any questions to him? Ask this gentleman or anyone. You just pray in silence, you are not even supposed to see this horrible fellow, he is sitting in a dais somewhere. The way he has led his life, how dare you compare me with him? You better go and stay with him. No! I’m just saying you have no business to take advantage. You see, this is not proper, this is taking advantage of my goodness, you dare not do these things. I don’t like it. It’s alright once in a while, but not all the time. I have to talk something, you have come here to listen to something, alright? Be sensible. (more noise from public) No, no you are not everything, you are just thinking about yourself not others. You are not the only person sitting down here, if you want to see me, come and see me privately alright? You have to be fair to others isn’t it? They have come all the way to see me, some people have come from Torquay, you should be more just and fair, I think you have not been fair to them. It’s alright once in a while one question I answer but you are on and on and on, you must forget it. Listen to me, it’s not you who is talking, I know who is talking behind it, it’s alright. Now the people do not say there are false prophets, they never say and when Christ was asked, why do you criticise them? He said, Satan is not going to speak against itself. They are not going to tell, they help each other. They are the people who help each other, and you are so mesmerised by them that you cannot see what wrong they are doing to you, until you reach that point where it’s all finished. Now we have here (he has not come but will be coming, you should meet him) a gentleman who has been with this man for the last sixteen years. He has lost all his money, he has nothing, he was a diamond merchant his wife is a granddaughter of a Duke, they are on the street. The wife used to get such horrible epilepsy, I cured her. The child was screaming, you were not there, it’s easy to take a stand for somebody who is satanic, at least don’t do that. You don’t know how people are harmed, everyday I’m facing it, everyday I’m curing people. There are three people I know of who got cancer out of this and tomorrow if anybody gets out of you, I’ll have to cure. He has taken all the money, that’s all. I have every right to criticise them and say they are wrong, because I’m the one who’s curing people, who are harmed by them, tortured by them. I’m not saying just for fun sake, people have no courage to say also. How many have courage to say that they are wrong and they have harmed? Very few people, they are cowards, I would like to know how many people can say that openly that they are wrong, they have harmed? There are some people sitting here, who have been harmed who came to me and I have cured them. You need a lot of courage and understanding, not only that but I am really angry with them because these are seekers of truth. These are people seeking the truth and these people are not to be harmed by anyone. They are to be given their realisation, they have to enter into the kingdom of God. God is anxiously waiting to give them what they deserve. They are such great people, while these people (false gurus) wanted to make money! They could have smuggled, they could have done other things, money is not the only point but the way they have ruined the possibilities of their realisation! I know of three others who are still in the lunatic asylum and I cannot save them. They are all lost and the government doesn’t want to know anything about it. They went and saw the police and the police said, what are we to do if you are fool and stupid people who go ahead and spend your money and get these devils upon yourself? You must open your eyes and see for yourself and see what is happening to your brothers and sisters. Where are they going? I’m sorry I have to use strong words but I really strongly feel about all these things. Actually I had no idea that they have really done all these things to you. The more I see, the more I’m surprised. One by one, they are all getting exposed. They are all getting exposed because whatever is false will come to the light, no doubt, I’m sure of it, it will have to come to light but one more thing is there which makes me unhappy, sad and sometimes really restless that these are good innocent people that are harmed so much, beyond repair. I cannot repair them, they are finished, lost and gone. You are not in this business, I am and I know what it is, how bad it is, how dangerous it is and so unfair to human beings who have been created so beautifully from the amoeba stage to this stage, and these people should come and hit them because they are seekers?! Because they are simple? All ego oriented. Most of these organisations are ego oriented. They pamper your ego, like having a world organisation. They believe in it! Can you imagine, they believe in it. A person is asked to wear special clothes and are given chairs gilded with gold and they feel they have become ministers and prime ministers. If you want to go on believing myths, go ahead. I’m here to tell you the truth, whether you like it or not, I have to tell you the truth, and the truth is the thing. Why should I criticise anyone? That’s not my job, but I see the way people are being harmed and tortured, you want me to garland them and say they are very nice people? Should I? Would you do the same if you were in my place? If you were a Mother who feels for her children, would you do that? Any Mother who says that she can do it, I would like to know such a person. I know how to be charitable and how to be generous, but not to those who deliberately try to hamper your progress in life. They do not criticise anybody, naturally, why will they? No thief will criticise another thief, do they? They are all in one line and work it out. One has to understand, that a true prophet or a true person, will give you the truth and nothing else. And the truth is that you are the spirit. You have to become that, nothing else. You have to become the spirit. Unless and until you become the spirit, all these other ideas of giving you relaxation or giving you some sort of a patchy thing is not going to happen. Now the trouble is, in the west, people are extremely naïve, absolutely naïve. They have no knowledge of the internal life, they know about science as we are naïve about science you can say. We are naïve about the lights and things in the banks maybe, but for the internal life you are absolutely naïve and you do not know how many stratas there are within you. The first thing you must know is that you live in the past and the future, not in the present. The past is the subconscious and the future is the supraconscious. These two areas exist within us, within our body, one on the left hand side and the other on the right hand side. When somebody contracts a disease like say cancer, the attacks are from these areas. These areas are built within us from our creation. They are within us since we were created. These attacks come to us, for example even a virus infection, even a possession that comes upon us, cancer, all these attacks come to us, not because of our present, but because of our past. From somewhere, it attacks us. If you have to understand yourself, then you must understand yourself in full perspective, not that somebody gives you a mantra and you take the mantra for £300 and the meaning of the mantra is ‘I’m coming’ or some sort of nonsense, which is not even Sanskrit. You don’t know any Sanskrit. So these things are put through in your subconscious and they work on you, and you feel a little bit relieved, like with alcohol you may feel relieved for the time being. For the time being, you may feel very elated and your ego will come up and you become a great person demanding this. Like a man who was walking on the street, was drunk and the king was going on a horse. He asked the king, I want to but this horse now get down from there. So the king said, now you really want it? Alright, tomorrow. He went away. The king was a wise man. The next day he called the fellow and said now do you want to buy the horse? He said ‘sir, the one who was going to buy, is finished, he’s no more’. It’s like that. Suddenly, you see these subconscious spirits or things that they possess you with, give you a very heightened ego, and the whole thing fizzles out, but you do not know from where they come and where they go, you cannot understand them and you cannot manoeuvre them. When you become yourself, you know each and every thing. For example, this gentleman who was asking me questions, he does not know anything about himself, neither about others. You ask any Sahaja yogi who is here, even a little child will say what chakras are catching in him and what chakras are catching in you. It has to be your own knowledge, in your own awareness, understand you are intelligent people, you are not fools. I’m not talking to fools, I’m talking to intelligent people, who understand things. If something has to happen to you, it has to happen in your awareness, like a dog has a different awareness and you have a different awareness. You take any dog, even if it is a pedigree dog, through any dirt or filth, it doesn’t smell, it doesn’t feel bad, it doesn’t understand beauty, while you do. In the same way, something has to happen in your awareness and that’s how you have to make it out. Unless and until that happens, what’s the use? What’s the use of coming here? Just arguing with me, no use, you have to get it. You have to get that within yourself. If that can happen within you, then only you will be entitled as a self realised person, otherwise you will not. There is no organisation for them outside because you are already organised by God. It’s all in there. Once it works out, you start feeling it within you. Now, why people are false gurus? Let’s see that point, then you will understand. First you must see the background of these people. For example, the gentleman about whom he is saying, he was a clerk, railway clerk. There are many other things about him which Indians know. They don’t mind because he brings lots of foreign exchange. Then there could be any thug or anybody in jail in India, who comes out of the jail and has no place in society and comes to London and sits down with funny dresses, with little horns around and all the British will be at his feet. Very good idea! There should be no pretensions, if you are true, there should be no pretensions about anything whatsoever. You should be straightforward and normal, because you don’t want anything from anyone. I would say if I asked you to stay with me without paying any amount or any money, you would not accept such a situation. You would feel hurt. But these people are parasites, of the worst type. They live on your money. Christ was the son of a carpenter, he didn’t ask for money from anyone, did he? He did the carpenters job. You can’t understand it because it’s the ego, it’s a very subtle ego that you have purchased your guru. You cannot purchase Me. You cannot purchase your realisation, God doesn’t understand money, he doesn’t understand banks, that’s your headache. So to understand a real Guru, one should know what you have to expect yourself. Now we have got so many people like you, I mean you are so well read, I see all of you reading all the time, even in the bathrooms when you go, you read. On the trains, you are reading, all the time you are reading and I think nothing is registered there. Otherwise, it is written very clearly, by a very great scientist like (unclear) that there is a collective consciousness within us. That there is some sort of power within us which gives us symbols which are universal in our dreams. He has proved it. If so, then that collective unconscious within us has to become conscious within us. This is what any true Prophet will tell you. He will not give you a thing that you have to jump all the time or that you have to take out your clothes or stand on your head, because it is very simple to understand that by doing any effort you are not going to go to God. By doing anything you are not going to do. What did you do to become human beings? If it is evolutionary, what did you do? Did you cut your tails as monkeys? You got it without doing anything. In the same way, if evolution has to take place, it will be done without any effort, because it is so vital, it is so important. You do not understand the importance of that, you want to play about with all nonsensical things. The most vital thing today is to evolve and this evolution must take place, and this takes place within us because a system has been built within us already, it exists within us and you can see with your naked eyes the rising of the Kundalini, the breaking of the Sahasrara, the breaking of the fontanel bone area which is the real actual Baptism. It’s not artificially done, you can feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out of you and the Holy Ghost is the power of God which is reflected within us as Kundalini. She rises and She gives you this realisation, though the heart has the spirit in itself, the seat of the spirit, she is here (Shri Mataji must be pointing at the area) and that’s how first the Kundalini rises and you get enlightenment in your brain. First the enlightenment comes to your brain in England. In India it comes to the heart. Here we analyse, we think too much, we try to analyse everything, what can you analyse? This flower becomes a fruit tomorrow, can you analyse it? Can you do it? Thousands and thousands, billions and billions are being transformed, how can you analyse your transformation? You cannot. With this little brain of yours, with this little rationality, you try to analyse, you cannot. It has to be logical, and if it is not logical then it has no meaning, but it will become logical when it happens, let it happen to you. If it does not happen to you, it’s not going to work out. These are typical type of people that come and disturb always my programmes, I’ve seen it, for nothing at all, but these are the people who pay lots of money without asking any questions, do not get anything, get horrible diseases into themselves and then they come to me for realisation. I can’t understand what’s happening to you, I don’t know how to make you understand that you have no value of your own, you have no esteem of your own. How can you appreciate such people who are openly befooling you? Who are stupefying you? They do not criticise others according to you, they are very nice people, you mean to say I should not even criticise Hitler? This is not the best way of looking at things. You have to face things as they are, you should know bad is bad and good is good. Tomorrow you will say, don’t even criticise if people get cancers, don’t even look after it, let them die…praise cancer should I? praise epilepsy should I? We must understand, God has given us discrimination. We must have our discrimination and understand, what are we doing? What is our life for? Why have we come on this earth? Because I open your eyes to these things, you have to know that I am not false. That’s one thing, I want you to face the truth. I do not want you to live with myths. I could have said that I’ll make you fly, I’ll make something out of this, why should I? That’s not my job, that’s not the way I am. I’m a different type, absolutely different and this is the type always has been denied, not today, always. Why Christ was denied? For what? All of them were denied and all the false were accepted. They even forgave a robber and crucified Christ. Same type of people are again on this earth I find, they do not want to accept the truth. Now, the society is such, no one can crucify me. They could not have crucified Christ if he did not want to be crucified, he was such a powerful man. He is going to come back with his powers again and he is going to neutralise all these horrible powers in them to cut them out. No doubt about it, but before that time, you have to be counselled, you have to be told how to enter into the kingdom of God. You have to become what you are because the last judgement has started, this is the last judgement. How God is going to judge you? Just think of it, is He going to judge you the way you are educated? The way you are dressed? No. Through your inner happening, through your inner understanding and light that is within you. That’s how he is going to judge you. I’m here to give you light that is your own, just an enlightened light enlightens you. I don’t want to pamper your ego or to run you down but I want to tell you that you should become yourself. I see the beauty within you, I see that diamond within you, that’s why I’m doing all this work. You do not see it, I just want you to feel it and have it, it’s a very simple thing. What is there to be so much worried about? To talk about other people who have done nothing, there are 90,000 people doing TM and what are they? They are recluses, you show them garlic and they will faint. There was a gentleman, I don’t know if he has come, who just on the phone he talked to a Sahaj Yogi, Douglas, who is sitting here and he was shaking. He said ‘I am shaking, what’s the matter with me?’ Douglas told him that you are very hot? He said yes I’m perspiring, I don’t know what’s happening to me. He knew what was happening, he accepted it. Then Douglas asked him, are you doing some meditation? He said yes how do you know? Douglas said, we know, we know all that. He is saved today and he is a big man in Brighton. He is working as Managing Director, otherwise he would have ended up in a lunatic asylum and this is what it is. People do not question such people, they have got their circuses, they have got big (unclear) all things to announce themselves and people think they must be great people. Christ was a simple man, wasn’t he? He was so simple. He didn’t have any advertisement and all that. He didn’t have all these things to impress you. What should impress you is your own transformation and nothing else. That should impress you. You should ask for your own transformation, for your own happiness, for what you are going to gain. If you even go to a shop, don’t you see how much you get out of it? In the same way, in spirit also you should not see what you give but what you get. It’s not material that you get, you get something so substantial that it transcends all material and all sorts of problems. We have one gentleman sitting here who you can talk to later, who came last time. He was a drunkard, an alcoholic, he couldn’t talk to me and he was horrid, he behaved about the same way as this gentleman has behaved, because he was so drunk. I forgave him, alright. He went away. He was so lost to life, there was no hope for him. About a month back, again he came to know about my coming, so he came to the centre. These people worked on him. He is a first class man now, he has joined a college, studying there. I couldn’t recognise him, he was so changed, he was looking so much younger, so much better. You must know that the task is so great, the task of saving this humanity. It’s not a simple task and you all should get it for your good, for your meditation, it’s your own. I have not seen anyone, any animal, if you do good to him he barks at you, he does not, but only among human beings who try to deprive you, who try to deceive you, you are happy with them because they have a camouflage. They say things which are very sweet and nice, don’t depend on them, you have to face the fact as it is. These are horrid people, not only horrid, they are satanic, they are extremely evil and they are doing all kinds of evil and I’m not afraid of them. I’ve said it openly in 1970, against them, each one of them by taking their names. They have not taken me to courts because they know I know about them. They have never taken me to anything, why don’t they file a suit against me? Because, they are cowards, they know what wrong they are doing to you. I can prove it to them. One should understand that there is somebody who is talking so bravely, that’s a lady also. There must be something about me that I’m concerned, that my concern is so deep that I’m not worried about them, I’m not afraid of them. When I first spoke in 1970, so many people were my disciples, well placed in life, they came and told me, don’t do these things, don’t talk against them, they may come and murder you. I said, let me see who’s going to murder me, none of them. On the contrary, I was amazed the other day, a girl told me that one of them was saying I was his sister. I was amazed. Imagine and another was saying that I was his disciple, this was another news to me. I said, really? I’ve been criticising him right from 1970 and he is saying that I’m his sister. You will know all about them, first of all get your realisation. Get your eyes, get your spirit get yourself into that which is the glorious, the beauty and the knowledge. Then you will know what I’m talking about. You will yourself know about it. I don’t have to tell you, I don’t really start such a topic except when somebody stands up, he must have come to represent this man, no doubt, but he doesn’t know that he’s representing a Satan. He is innocent, simple and naïve, one has to forgive, you all should forgive him. May God bless you all. I would like you to ask me questions but sensible questions not pleading someone because if you want I can say that also. I’m not afraid, I can say but why? Why discuss these horrible people here? I’ve already headaches from them, lots of them, really. For example, these TM people in India, I could never give realisation. We never wanted them near, I could never give them realisation, only after coming to London I started doing it. Amazingly. I could not give them realisation, the Sahaj Yogis never wanted them, they said that whenever anybody came from TM they used to ask, are you from TM? There is no programme. They used to turn them away. They were so difficult, so heavy, impossible. It’s a fact. I mean, we don’t like people to come and trouble us, but what to do? The door is open, anybody can come, you don’t have to pay any money, just walk in. Do what you like. It’s alright, but still, I must say Sahaja Yoga has done tremendous work even in England, where I found it was very difficult. In the beginning, I was working only with six people for four years, you won’t believe it. My husband has been elected to this job and we have been here for seven years, and four years I was struggling with six of them, can you imagine. Only last three years we have been able to do something. I’ve seen it’s rather difficult to break people here, but once they understand, they go very deep down, they are very scholarly and wonderful people, no doubt, and it has worked out. You can ask me some questions if you want to, but ask sensible questions and not unnecessarily wasting everybody’s time and it’s not only you who is listening to me, others are also listening, so you should not take all my time, isn’t it? There are many children who are born realised, many children in this country who are born realised and there are very young people I met about three of them today, who are realised souls. Great people, but you would never understand them and they would never understand you, there would be a conflict. I don’t know what’s going to happen if you don’t listen to me. You have to be realised to understand them, because even after realisation there are problems and you start seeing your problems and you have to cure them. You have to get well. Ask some questions now. (Question from public…Mother’s joyous laughter while saying that’s the best question) They have asked for realisation and Shri Mataji proceeds to ask everybody to take off their shoes and sit with hands on laps facing up. Close your eyes, just close your eyes. Now what do you feel actually, you see first you feel thoughtlessly aware, means there is no thought within your mind. If you see your mind, there is no thought, you feel like that, first thing that should happen to you. It’s your own, you shouldn’t believe me, you shouldn’t believe anybody else but see for yourself if there is no thought, but don’t deny anything. If it not so, it goes further. When the Kundalini rises about Agnya, it shoots off, in many people it shoots off. First experiences have been very great with many people and then when it passes through the last centre or pierces through this fontanelle area then you start feeling the cool breeze in your hands. Some people who smoke too much do not feel it in the hands so much as they feel it in their heads because this centre is spoilt. Now close your eyes, you have to close your eyes because when the Kundalini rises, if your eyes are not closed, it won’t rise above Agnya. It’s just the opposite of mesmerism. Close your eyes…place both your hands straight like this because these are the centres of the sympathetic within us, these are seven centres…five, six and seven (Shri Mataji must be referring to a chart). Just close your eyes. Let it go, don’t force your attention to be fixed anywhere, just let it go. Now the first problem I feel that is collectively within you is that you have to forgive others. You better forgive, forgive everyone, just say I forgive, that’s very important, it will unload your mind. Say it thrice, Mother I forgive, it’s very good for you to say that I forgive. Please forgive. Now after saying that, you have to also say that if I’ve not paid full attention to my spirit or if I’ve been negligent about it, forgive me. But don’t build guilt at all, just say forgive me and it is finished. Don’t build guilt because this is another fashion to feel guilty for nothing at all. There’s nothing to feel guilty. Say thrice please forgive me if I’ve not paid attention to my spirit. Immediately I think you should say I’m not guilty, thrice, because this may build a kind of guilt. Immediately after saying please forgive me, say that I’m not guilty, thrice, please say. Now you can ask a question, Mother am I the spirit? Thrice. Put your right hand on your heart and ask the question, with all sincerity and truthfulness, because Sahaja Yoga judges your truthfulness. Just ask Mother am I the spirit? Just ask a simple question and you will get vibrations in your hands as proof of it. Ask it, most of you will get it, cool breeze in the hand, cool breeze of the holy ghost. Don’t think about it, it’s a happening. If you think about it, it will never work out. It is beyond thinking. It will just work out. If you start thinking about it, it’s going to be another useless wandering that’s all. You will be wasting your time as you have wasted so far, you will be wasting more. Don’t think about it. Now if you’re feeling on the left hand then put your right hand towards me, both hands. If it is not working on the right hand, then put left hand on your stomach, maybe something wrong with your stomach. If it’s not working on the right hand, put it on the stomach asking a question, Mother am I my own guru? Am I my own teacher? Ask a question to me. If you are getting in both hands, don’t think about it, it’s there. You got it. Ask the question, if it works then you will find a cool breeze coming out of your head. It’s a mass happening, it’s happening to thousands, so it should happen just see if it is coming out of your head. Now put both your hands towards me and close your eyes and don’t think, just don’t think, please close your eyes. Don’t watch others, just close your eyes. Shri Mataji Blows….. Those who are feeling the cool breeze, please raise your hands. Those who are not feeling the cool breeze raise your hands because we will have to just work it out, alright. I’ll have to ask some of the Sahaj Yogis to come and see what’s the problem, you shouldn’t mind because tomorrow when you get it, you will be able to do it yourself. I will also come and see, because it means there is some sort of obstruction and we have to remove it. Now it’s flowing from the hands of these Sahaj Yogis and they are giving thing to their aura because they don’t want to be caught up with your auras, but then when they raise your Kundalini, you will see yourself how they work it out. They are just like you people, they have learnt and you are going to learn from them, then you are going to do the same, alright.

The System Within, Public Programmme, Brighton UK, 1981-0710 I must thank Kingsley [Flint] for giving such a nice introduction. When I went to Australia, people asked me, are your disciples all scholars? I said, they come from all walks of life, there are very few who could really be called scholars but I think after getting realisation, you being the complete knowledge, new venues open within you. You start knowing so many things, like when you enter in this room and it is absolutely dark, you can’t see anything. You don’t know much about it, you don’t know how to walk, where to walk, you may just stumble down, but if there is light, you know so many things suddenly and you are amazed at yourself that you have come to know so many things. Now this knowledge that you have, is not the knowledge that we read in the books. If I put my finger to this flame here, it will burn. Anybody who puts the finger to the flame, it will burn. Now this knowledge that the finger has to burn has come to us through our experience and is built within us. Everybody gets it without paying for it, without making any effort for it, it is built in within us. In the same way, we are so organised within ourselves, we are made within ourselves so well that if this happening which he told you about, the awakening of the Kundalini, if it takes place, it is just like this instrument being connected to the mains and it starts working. I mean you are wonderfully made, no doubt about it and thousands of years, thousands and thousands and thousands of years have passed till you become a human being. This human being, the body, the mind is all made this way, organised this way for one purpose, and the one purpose is to become one with your spirit. Now, why? why should we become one with our spirit? Because the spirit is the universal being within us, is the reflection of God Almighty, is God reflected within us, in our heart. That spirit is eternal, it is not destructible, it is unattached and it is the witness of our lives. It witnesses what we are doing, it knows all the fields in which we move but it is not in our conscious mind. We cannot feel it, we cannot manoeuvre it, we cannot understand it’s powers. So the whole being is created, through a power of desire. The desire which is very strong, that you have to become the spirit is still unmanifested. It is residual and resides in the triangular bone called sacrum. Sacrum means sacred. Today on the radio, they asked me a question, that “Here the people are so complicated. Do you find it easy to convince people about God, about Kundalini? They are very sceptical, is it easy for you to do that?” It’s a very nice question because she could see my problem. Now I have to tell you one thing, that this power that resides within us has been there and many people have talked about it. It has been there, no doubt about it, but in modern times we want to know whether it is there or not. Now there are many people here who have seen the pulsation of this power in the triangular bone. They have seen it and you can also see it, for your conviction, to see for yourself. But I would suggest that there is no shop, nothing is selling here. This kind of sceptical attitude is alright for people who are going to buy something. That they want to know whether it is right or not. Suppose you are entering into a university and you are there to discover some scientific knowledge, then do you go with a sceptical mind? You go with an open mind. You need not be sceptical and you need not be closed. You need not be also following anything blindly that I say. There is no need to have blind faith in Sahaja Yoga, no need at all. It is for you to see for yourself if it works out or not. One should not come with an attitude that if it does not work out then there is something wrong about it, maybe there is something wrong with you, because there is nothing selling here, it is a gift. It’s a gift of God, it’s the grace of God because he is anxious to save this creation. That’s why he is giving it to you, to masses, it has never happened before. This is something so unique that is happening, I myself am surprised at the way it is working out. So when all this is happening, why not benefit by that? It is you who is going to benefit not me, not at all. When you understand this, your attitude will be much more positive towards taking realisation here. Now human beings are not going to be happy without their self being discovered, whatever you may try. You give them money, they become affluent then they will become hippies as they become fed up of it. You give them power, they will fight among themselves or they give up politics. They will never be satisfied with all these things because they know it is not satisfying, why? Because satisfaction can only be enjoyed by the spirit. Only the spirit can enjoy. Rest of the enjoyments are temporary, transitory and they vanish into thin air. All complexities of life, all problems of life that faces you, is because without knowing the absolute you have gone into relative dimensions. If you do not know where Brighton is and you have to go to Brighton, you move about all over the places and never reach the point. You will be complicated, no doubt. First of all you must discover that absolute, and that has to be, if you don’t do it, you are going to fail, in life, in satisfaction, in happiness. But, it’s not only that, it’s much more because the spirit has all the dynamism of God’s Divine power which is all pervading, which is everywhere, you cannot feel it, it is everywhere. I’ll say it is everywhere, there is music, drama, you won’t believe me until I put a television down here. In the same way unless and until you become one with yourself, you are not going to feel that all pervading power, that blissful power of God because you are not yet there. You have to enter into the kingdom of God. Now there is another objection that always comes in because people are very much Christian minded and they want to ask me one question which I have been wanting to answer many a time. They said that we can only reach God through Christ. Yes, that’s true but how? Where is Christ? Where is he? Do they know where does he exist? Are we going to pierce through his body? Where is his body? Where do you find him? He was crucified a long time back, he is no more. He is not in the churches, of this be assured and he is not with the priests at all, then where is he? He is within us, now where is he within us? No one knows about it, he exists within us. I say he exists where? You see this red mark? Behind that is a centre called agnya chakra, he resides there. You have to enter through that door of Christ, you have to awaken them. Unless and until you awaken Christ, you cannot enter the kingdom of God. (Mother asks a yogi if they have the chart so she could have shown the exact location of the kingdom of God) The kingdom of God is the limbic area and to enter into it, you have to pass through this very subtle centre which is placed in the centre of the optic chiasma, the centre governs the pituitary and the pineal body. You have to cross through that. What is it to cross? What are you? You are your attention. Your attention has to pass through that and awaken that centre. When you awaken that centre, Christ is awakened within you and your ego and superego, your karmas, so called, your sins, so called, all are sucked. You come into that area called the limbic area, your attention goes there by which you become collectively conscious, or you can say first you become just thoughtlessly aware. You are aware and you are thoughtlessly aware. There is no thought because both the ego and superego are sucked in. When the Kundalini pierces through this area, the fontanel bone area, I mean it’s a happening. It’s actualisation, it is not just talking, giving your brain a washing, that you are all born realised and carry a banner on your head ‘born again, born again’ as you see many people. I’m quite amazed at them, the way they talk. It’s surprising they go around saying, oh we are already realised souls. I said how? How do you know? The Kundalini is frozen down there, you can see it so clearly. They say we are born again…self certified.. You cannot get this certificate in any of these colleges, you cannot have a course in this. It’s like sprouting of the seed, now what course does sprouting of the seed have to do, poor thing. You just put it in the Mother Earth and it sprouts, Mother Earth knows how to do it. Now this has to happen within us. Another hurdle in all these western countries I’ve seen is this..why me? It’s a very common question they ask, why you Mother, I say why not you? Better have it (Mother’s sweet laughter) Better do it yourself, it would be a good idea, you see I would like to retire, it’s a very good idea that you do it for me, and you take my seat. As it is, I’m working very hard and sometimes my husband also gets very upset with it. He said it’s too much you have to work very hard and one day he put a question to some of the Sahaj Yogis, he said, now I don’t understand that when She has given you realisation, why are you troubling her again and again? What’s the matter with you? He is a man who has to deal with shipping and this girl said, Sir if there are second hand ships you have to repair them again and again, but we are fifth hand ships, so what to do? So, what I said was that this kind of foolish attitude and stupid attitude is not going to help us. For example, this flame is burning, do we ask the flame why do you burn and not these flowers? I mean, it’s somebody’s quality, somebody’s nature, somebody’s gift or somebody’s speciality you can call it. You could be doing this, I would be very happy if you were doing this, really I tell you, I would have been very happy, but it is not so. Now you know so many things, for example, you know driving. I don’t know, I don’t even know how to sign a cheque, I’m so hopelessly bad in banks. I don’t know how to manage money, I’m hopelessly bad in so many things, but I don’t feel bad about it in any way because supposing I don’t know that, I know this. I can’t open the switch of an ordinary tape recorder, but I can open the Kundalini, it’s alright. It’s a different thing altogether so why should you feel hurt? You cannot do each and every thing in the world can you? This kind of an attitude will make you unnecessarily put a barrier for yourself, because this is your own, this is within you. I’m a gardener, I’m doing nothing. I’m just like any enlightened light which is going to enlighten you so you should quieten on this point. Please tell your mind to keep quiet on this point. (some communication from the hall re false prophets) Nobody talks about them, I’m the only one talking about them. Beware of them. False prophets are there but false prophets can be known, can be understood but people don’t you see people go head long towards false prophets. For example if somebody says that you are going to fly in the air and pay £3000 for that. Are you going to become birds? You use no brains and you just go straight forward into it. There are people sitting here who have become insolvent because they tried to fly with this guru, but the guru never flew. Now, how to make out a false prophet? The thing is, you cannot pay for God I’m a happily married woman, quite well off, I mean I’m really very happily married, but if I’m doing this work, I’m not taking any money from you, nothing, you can’t pay for it. It’s something heavenly, this is the second point. Thirdly…the third sign of a false prophet is, what has he given you? Have you got your own powers? Can you feel your own powers? That’s one of the greatest tests. If somebody says that oh my guru is great, he’s really halfway to the lunatic asylum. A recluse and abnormal person. My guru has given me this lunacy and I’ve paid so much money for that. So you ask a question to him, what has he given you really? Can you feel the Kundalini of this lady or this gentleman? Can you give them realisation? Can you cure them? Can you understand where the problem is? Do you understand where the problem is within you? Minimum of minimum! Supposing somebody says I’ve got my eyes and he bumps into everything, will you call that person a person with eyes? You will definitely say that he doesn’t want to believe that he is blind. It is exactly like this, you must know that if it’s a true person, he will give you your own powers. (somebody speaking from the public) Mother’s response: I wish you could meet somebody who is here from Scotland, Peter [Pearce].is he here? You must meet him and you will know, it’s not only money, it’s much worse. I mean, you have to decide. The other day, I had from Norwich, three people who came to see me, and they could not put their hands towards me! They kept going like this and like that (shaking). I was amazed! And I asked them, “Where have you been?” They said, “We are coming from a lunatic asylum.” I said, “Really?” “We are certified mad people.” And where have they been? To your ‘great’ Maharshi (TM)! There is a lady in London (Mother asks yogis if she has come…she was not there so Mother mentions all can meet. There is further sound from the public to which Mother said ‘do not put me into controversy, better not discuss these horrible people, that’s all I will say, forget them) Further comments from public.. There are people who are suffering from epilepsy and they come to me. They are falling, they have lost all their wealth, their children are on the street, they come to me and they want to be saved. I wish before talking about this, you better talk to those people who have come to me and I have saved them. Not only saved them, but made something out of them. On the contrary, this man has made them horrible. Many people who have been there have become mad. This Mr Ben is suffering from a mysterious disease, from where did he get it? There is one Dr Fenwick, you better go and meet him, he is finding out about this fellow, the way he is giving epilepsy to many and I’ve cured the epilepsy of so many patients that he is coming to me to know how I’ve cured them. Do you know what dangers you stand with these people? You have no idea, you are so naïve. Did you ask him any questions? Please listen, you have not come here to give lectures, please sit down, listen now. You have not come here to ask questions, you are here to listen to me. Nobody asks questions to this dirty man, never, they just pay him straight forward. Did they ask any questions to him? Ask this gentleman or anyone. You just pray in silence, you are not even supposed to see this horrible fellow, he is sitting in a dais somewhere. The way he has led his life, how dare you compare me with him? You better go and stay with him. No! I’m just saying you have no business to take advantage. You see, this is not proper, this is taking advantage of my goodness, you dare not do these things. I don’t like it. It’s alright once in a while, but not all the time. I have to talk something, you have come here to listen to something, alright? Be sensible. (more noise from public) No, no you are not everything, you are just thinking about yourself not others. You are not the only person sitting down here, if you want to see me, come and see me privately alright? You have to be fair to others isn’t it? They have come all the way to see me, some people have come from Torquay, you should be more just and fair, I think you have not been fair to them. It’s alright once in a while one question I answer but you are on and on and on, you must forget it. Listen to me, it’s not you who is talking, I know who is talking behind it, it’s alright. Now the people do not say there are false prophets, they never say and when Christ was asked, why do you criticise them? He said, Satan is not going to speak against itself. They are not going to tell, they help each other. They are the people who help each other, and you are so mesmerised by them that you cannot see what wrong they are doing to you, until you reach that point where it’s all finished. Now we have here (he has not come but will be coming, you should meet him) a gentleman who has been with this man for the last sixteen years. He has lost all his money, he has nothing, he was a diamond merchant his wife is a granddaughter of a Duke, they are on the street. The wife used to get such horrible epilepsy, I cured her. The child was screaming, you were not there, it’s easy to take a stand for somebody who is satanic, at least don’t do that. You don’t know how people are harmed, everyday I’m facing it, everyday I’m curing people. There are three people I know of who got cancer out of this and tomorrow if anybody gets out of you, I’ll have to cure. He has taken all the money, that’s all. I have every right to criticise them and say they are wrong, because I’m the one who’s curing people, who are harmed by them, tortured by them. I’m not saying just for fun sake, people have no courage to say also. How many have courage to say that they are wrong and they have harmed? Very few people, they are cowards, I would like to know how many people can say that openly that they are wrong, they have harmed? There are some people sitting here, who have been harmed who came to me and I have cured them. You need a lot of courage and understanding, not only that but I am really angry with them because these are seekers of truth. These are people seeking the truth and these people are not to be harmed by anyone. They are to be given their realisation, they have to enter into the kingdom of God. God is anxiously waiting to give them what they deserve. They are such great people, while these people (false gurus) wanted to make money! They could have smuggled, they could have done other things, money is not the only point but the way they have ruined the possibilities of their realisation! I know of three others who are still in the lunatic asylum and I cannot save them. They are all lost and the government doesn’t want to know anything about it. They went and saw the police and the police said, what are we to do if you are fool and stupid people who go ahead and spend your money and get these devils upon yourself? You must open your eyes and see for yourself and see what is happening to your brothers and sisters. Where are they going? I’m sorry I have to use strong words but I really strongly feel about all these things. Actually I had no idea that they have really done all these things to you. The more I see, the more I’m surprised. One by one, they are all getting exposed. They are all getting exposed because whatever is false will come to the light, no doubt, I’m sure of it, it will have to come to light but one more thing is there which makes me unhappy, sad and sometimes really restless that these are good innocent people that are harmed so much, beyond repair. I cannot repair them, they are finished, lost and gone. You are not in this business, I am and I know what it is, how bad it is, how dangerous it is and so unfair to human beings who have been created so beautifully from the amoeba stage to this stage, and these people should come and hit them because they are seekers?! Because they are simple? All ego oriented. Most of these organisations are ego oriented. They pamper your ego, like having a world organisation. They believe in it! Can you imagine, they believe in it. A person is asked to wear special clothes and are given chairs gilded with gold and they feel they have become ministers and prime ministers. If you want to go on believing myths, go ahead. I’m here to tell you the truth, whether you like it or not, I have to tell you the truth, and the truth is the thing. Why should I criticise anyone? That’s not my job, but I see the way people are being harmed and tortured, you want me to garland them and say they are very nice people? Should I? Would you do the same if you were in my place? If you were a Mother who feels for her children, would you do that? Any Mother who says that she can do it, I would like to know such a person. I know how to be charitable and how to be generous, but not to those who deliberately try to hamper your progress in life. They do not criticise anybody, naturally, why will they? No thief will criticise another thief, do they? They are all in one line and work it out. One has to understand, that a true prophet or a true person, will give you the truth and nothing else. And the truth is that you are the spirit. You have to become that, nothing else. You have to become the spirit. Unless and until you become the spirit, all these other ideas of giving you relaxation or giving you some sort of a patchy thing is not going to happen. Now the trouble is, in the west, people are extremely naïve, absolutely naïve. They have no knowledge of the internal life, they know about science as we are naïve about science you can say. We are naïve about the lights and things in the banks maybe, but for the internal life you are absolutely naïve and you do not know how many stratas there are within you. The first thing you must know is that you live in the past and the future, not in the present. The past is the subconscious and the future is the supraconscious. These two areas exist within us, within our body, one on the left hand side and the other on the right hand side. When somebody contracts a disease like say cancer, the attacks are from these areas. These areas are built within us from our creation. They are within us since we were created. These attacks come to us, for example even a virus infection, even a possession that comes upon us, cancer, all these attacks come to us, not because of our present, but because of our past. From somewhere, it attacks us. If you have to understand yourself, then you must understand yourself in full perspective, not that somebody gives you a mantra and you take the mantra for £300 and the meaning of the mantra is ‘I’m coming’ or some sort of nonsense, which is not even Sanskrit. You don’t know any Sanskrit. So these things are put through in your subconscious and they work on you, and you feel a little bit relieved, like with alcohol you may feel relieved for the time being. For the time being, you may feel very elated and your ego will come up and you become a great person demanding this. Like a man who was walking on the street, was drunk and the king was going on a horse. He asked the king, I want to but this horse now get down from there. So the king said, now you really want it? Alright, tomorrow. He went away. The king was a wise man. The next day he called the fellow and said now do you want to buy the horse? He said ‘sir, the one who was going to buy, is finished, he’s no more’. It’s like that. Suddenly, you see these subconscious spirits or things that they possess you with, give you a very heightened ego, and the whole thing fizzles out, but you do not know from where they come and where they go, you cannot understand them and you cannot manoeuvre them. When you become yourself, you know each and every thing. For example, this gentleman who was asking me questions, he does not know anything about himself, neither about others. You ask any Sahaja yogi who is here, even a little child will say what chakras are catching in him and what chakras are catching in you. It has to be your own knowledge, in your own awareness, understand you are intelligent people, you are not fools. I’m not talking to fools, I’m talking to intelligent people, who understand things. If something has to happen to you, it has to happen in your awareness, like a dog has a different awareness and you have a different awareness. You take any dog, even if it is a pedigree dog, through any dirt or filth, it doesn’t smell, it doesn’t feel bad, it doesn’t understand beauty, while you do. In the same way, something has to happen in your awareness and that’s how you have to make it out. Unless and until that happens, what’s the use? What’s the use of coming here? Just arguing with me, no use, you have to get it. You have to get that within yourself. If that can happen within you, then only you will be entitled as a self realised person, otherwise you will not. There is no organisation for them outside because you are already organised by God. It’s all in there. Once it works out, you start feeling it within you. Now, why people are false gurus? Let’s see that point, then you will understand. First you must see the background of these people. For example, the gentleman about whom he is saying, he was a clerk, railway clerk. There are many other things about him which Indians know. They don’t mind because he brings lots of foreign exchange. Then there could be any thug or anybody in jail in India, who comes out of the jail and has no place in society and comes to London and sits down with funny dresses, with little horns around and all the British will be at his feet. Very good idea! There should be no pretensions, if you are true, there should be no pretensions about anything whatsoever. You should be straightforward and normal, because you don’t want anything from anyone. I would say if I asked you to stay with me without paying any amount or any money, you would not accept such a situation. You would feel hurt. But these people are parasites, of the worst type. They live on your money. Christ was the son of a carpenter, he didn’t ask for money from anyone, did he? He did the carpenters job. You can’t understand it because it’s the ego, it’s a very subtle ego that you have purchased your guru. You cannot purchase Me. You cannot purchase your realisation, God doesn’t understand money, he doesn’t understand banks, that’s your headache. So to understand a real Guru, one should know what you have to expect yourself. Now we have got so many people like you, I mean you are so well read, I see all of you reading all the time, even in the bathrooms when you go, you read. On the trains, you are reading, all the time you are reading and I think nothing is registered there. Otherwise, it is written very clearly, by a very great scientist like (unclear) that there is a collective consciousness within us. That there is some sort of power within us which gives us symbols which are universal in our dreams. He has proved it. If so, then that collective unconscious within us has to become conscious within us. This is what any true Prophet will tell you. He will not give you a thing that you have to jump all the time or that you have to take out your clothes or stand on your head, because it is very simple to understand that by doing any effort you are not going to go to God. By doing anything you are not going to do. What did you do to become human beings? If it is evolutionary, what did you do? Did you cut your tails as monkeys? You got it without doing anything. In the same way, if evolution has to take place, it will be done without any effort, because it is so vital, it is so important. You do not understand the importance of that, you want to play about with all nonsensical things. The most vital thing today is to evolve and this evolution must take place, and this takes place within us because a system has been built within us already, it exists within us and you can see with your naked eyes the rising of the Kundalini, the breaking of the Sahasrara, the breaking of the fontanel bone area which is the real actual Baptism. It’s not artificially done, you can feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out of you and the Holy Ghost is the power of God which is reflected within us as Kundalini. She rises and She gives you this realisation, though the heart has the spirit in itself, the seat of the spirit, she is here (Shri Mataji must be pointing at the area) and that’s how first the Kundalini rises and you get enlightenment in your brain. First the enlightenment comes to your brain in England. In India it comes to the heart. Here we analyse, we think too much, we try to analyse everything, what can you analyse? This flower becomes a fruit tomorrow, can you analyse it? Can you do it? Thousands and thousands, billions and billions are being transformed, how can you analyse your transformation? You cannot. With this little brain of yours, with this little rationality, you try to analyse, you cannot. It has to be logical, and if it is not logical then it has no meaning, but it will become logical when it happens, let it happen to you. If it does not happen to you, it’s not going to work out. These are typical type of people that come and disturb always my programmes, I’ve seen it, for nothing at all, but these are the people who pay lots of money without asking any questions, do not get anything, get horrible diseases into themselves and then they come to me for realisation. I can’t understand what’s happening to you, I don’t know how to make you understand that you have no value of your own, you have no esteem of your own. How can you appreciate such people who are openly befooling you? Who are stupefying you? They do not criticise others according to you, they are very nice people, you mean to say I should not even criticise Hitler? This is not the best way of looking at things. You have to face things as they are, you should know bad is bad and good is good. Tomorrow you will say, don’t even criticise if people get cancers, don’t even look after it, let them die…praise cancer should I? praise epilepsy should I? We must understand, God has given us discrimination. We must have our discrimination and understand, what are we doing? What is our life for? Why have we come on this earth? Because I open your eyes to these things, you have to know that I am not false. That’s one thing, I want you to face the truth. I do not want you to live with myths. I could have said that I’ll make you fly, I’ll make something out of this, why should I? That’s not my job, that’s not the way I am. I’m a different type, absolutely different and this is the type always has been denied, not today, always. Why Christ was denied? For what? All of them were denied and all the false were accepted. They even forgave a robber and crucified Christ. Same type of people are again on this earth I find, they do not want to accept the truth. Now, the society is such, no one can crucify me. They could not have crucified Christ if he did not want to be crucified, he was such a powerful man. He is going to come back with his powers again and he is going to neutralise all these horrible powers in them to cut them out. No doubt about it, but before that time, you have to be counselled, you have to be told how to enter into the kingdom of God. You have to become what you are because the last judgement has started, this is the last judgement. How God is going to judge you? Just think of it, is He going to judge you the way you are educated? The way you are dressed? No. Through your inner happening, through your inner understanding and light that is within you. That’s how he is going to judge you. I’m here to give you light that is your own, just an enlightened light enlightens you. I don’t want to pamper your ego or to run you down but I want to tell you that you should become yourself. I see the beauty within you, I see that diamond within you, that’s why I’m doing all this work. You do not see it, I just want you to feel it and have it, it’s a very simple thing. What is there to be so much worried about? To talk about other people who have done nothing, there are 90,000 people doing TM and what are they? They are recluses, you show them garlic and they will faint. There was a gentleman, I don’t know if he has come, who just on the phone he talked to a Sahaj Yogi, Douglas, who is sitting here and he was shaking. He said ‘I am shaking, what’s the matter with me?’ Douglas told him that you are very hot? He said yes I’m perspiring, I don’t know what’s happening to me. He knew what was happening, he accepted it. Then Douglas asked him, are you doing some meditation? He said yes how do you know? Douglas said, we know, we know all that. He is saved today and he is a big man in Brighton. He is working as Managing Director, otherwise he would have ended up in a lunatic asylum and this is what it is. People do not question such people, they have got their circuses, they have got big (unclear) all things to announce themselves and people think they must be great people. Christ was a simple man, wasn’t he? He was so simple. He didn’t have any advertisement and all that. He didn’t have all these things to impress you. What should impress you is your own transformation and nothing else. That should impress you. You should ask for your own transformation, for your own happiness, for what you are going to gain. If you even go to a shop, don’t you see how much you get out of it? In the same way, in spirit also you should not see what you give but what you get. It’s not material that you get, you get something so substantial that it transcends all material and all sorts of problems. We have one gentleman sitting here who you can talk to later, who came last time. He was a drunkard, an alcoholic, he couldn’t talk to me and he was horrid, he behaved about the same way as this gentleman has behaved, because he was so drunk. I forgave him, alright. He went away. He was so lost to life, there was no hope for him. About a month back, again he came to know about my coming, so he came to the centre. These people worked on him. He is a first class man now, he has joined a college, studying there. I couldn’t recognise him, he was so changed, he was looking so much younger, so much better. You must know that the task is so great, the task of saving this humanity. It’s not a simple task and you all should get it for your good, for your meditation, it’s your own. I have not seen anyone, any animal, if you do good to him he barks at you, he does not, but only among human beings who try to deprive you, who try to deceive you, you are happy with them because they have a camouflage. They say things which are very sweet and nice, don’t depend on them, you have to face the fact as it is. These are horrid people, not only horrid, they are satanic, they are extremely evil and they are doing all kinds of evil and I’m not afraid of them. I’ve said it openly in 1970, against them, each one of them by taking their names. They have not taken me to courts because they know I know about them. They have never taken me to anything, why don’t they file a suit against me? Because, they are cowards, they know what wrong they are doing to you. I can prove it to them. One should understand that there is somebody who is talking so bravely, that’s a lady also. There must be something about me that I’m concerned, that my concern is so deep that I’m not worried about them, I’m not afraid of them. When I first spoke in 1970, so many people were my disciples, well placed in life, they came and told me, don’t do these things, don’t talk against them, they may come and murder you. I said, let me see who’s going to murder me, none of them. On the contrary, I was amazed the other day, a girl told me that one of them was saying I was his sister. I was amazed. Imagine and another was saying that I was his disciple, this was another news to me. I said, really? I’ve been criticising him right from 1970 and he is saying that I’m his sister. You will know all about them, first of all get your realisation. Get your eyes, get your spirit get yourself into that which is the glorious, the beauty and the knowledge. Then you will know what I’m talking about. You will yourself know about it. I don’t have to tell you, I don’t really start such a topic except when somebody stands up, he must have come to represent this man, no doubt, but he doesn’t know that he’s representing a Satan. He is innocent, simple and naïve, one has to forgive, you all should forgive him. May God bless you all. I would like you to ask me questions but sensible questions not pleading someone because if you want I can say that also. I’m not afraid, I can say but why? Why discuss these horrible people here? I’ve already headaches from them, lots of them, really. For example, these TM people in India, I could never give realisation. We never wanted them near, I could never give them realisation, only after coming to London I started doing it. Amazingly. I could not give them realisation, the Sahaj Yogis never wanted them, they said that whenever anybody came from TM they used to ask, are you from TM? There is no programme. They used to turn them away. They were so difficult, so heavy, impossible. It’s a fact. I mean, we don’t like people to come and trouble us, but what to do? The door is open, anybody can come, you don’t have to pay any money, just walk in. Do what you like. It’s alright, but still, I must say Sahaja Yoga has done tremendous work even in England, where I found it was very difficult. In the beginning, I was working only with six people for four years, you won’t believe it. My husband has been elected to this job and we have been here for seven years, and four years I was struggling with six of them, can you imagine. Only last three years we have been able to do something. I’ve seen it’s rather difficult to break people here, but once they understand, they go very deep down, they are very scholarly and wonderful people, no doubt, and it has worked out. You can ask me some questions if you want to, but ask sensible questions and not unnecessarily wasting everybody’s time and it’s not only you who is listening to me, others are also listening, so you should not take all my time, isn’t it? There are many children who are born realised, many children in this country who are born realised and there are very young people I met about three of them today, who are realised souls. Great people, but you would never understand them and they would never understand you, there would be a conflict. I don’t know what’s going to happen if you don’t listen to me. You have to be realised to understand them, because even after realisation there are problems and you start seeing your problems and you have to cure them. You have to get well. Ask some questions now. (Question from public…Mother’s joyous laughter while saying that’s the best question) They have asked for realisation and Shri Mataji proceeds to ask everybody to take off their shoes and sit with hands on laps facing up. Close your eyes, just close your eyes. Now what do you feel actually, you see first you feel thoughtlessly aware, means there is no thought within your mind. If you see your mind, there is no thought, you feel like that, first thing that should happen to you. It’s your own, you shouldn’t believe me, you shouldn’t believe anybody else but see for yourself if there is no thought, but don’t deny anything. If it not so, it goes further. When the Kundalini rises about Agnya, it shoots off, in many people it shoots off. First experiences have been very great with many people and then when it passes through the last centre or pierces through this fontanelle area then you start feeling the cool breeze in your hands. Some people who smoke too much do not feel it in the hands so much as they feel it in their heads because this centre is spoilt. Now close your eyes, you have to close your eyes because when the Kundalini rises, if your eyes are not closed, it won’t rise above Agnya. It’s just the opposite of mesmerism. Close your eyes…place both your hands straight like this because these are the centres of the sympathetic within us, these are seven centres…five, six and seven (Shri Mataji must be referring to a chart). Just close your eyes. Let it go, don’t force your attention to be fixed anywhere, just let it go. Now the first problem I feel that is collectively within you is that you have to forgive others. You better forgive, forgive everyone, just say I forgive, that’s very important, it will unload your mind. Say it thrice, Mother I forgive, it’s very good for you to say that I forgive. Please forgive. Now after saying that, you have to also say that if I’ve not paid full attention to my spirit or if I’ve been negligent about it, forgive me. But don’t build guilt at all, just say forgive me and it is finished. Don’t build guilt because this is another fashion to feel guilty for nothing at all. There’s nothing to feel guilty. Say thrice please forgive me if I’ve not paid attention to my spirit. Immediately I think you should say I’m not guilty, thrice, because this may build a kind of guilt. Immediately after saying please forgive me, say that I’m not guilty, thrice, please say. Now you can ask a question, Mother am I the spirit? Thrice. Put your right hand on your heart and ask the question, with all sincerity and truthfulness, because Sahaja Yoga judges your truthfulness. Just ask Mother am I the spirit? Just ask a simple question and you will get vibrations in your hands as proof of it. Ask it, most of you will get it, cool breeze in the hand, cool breeze of the holy ghost. Don’t think about it, it’s a happening. If you think about it, it will never work out. It is beyond thinking. It will just work out. If you start thinking about it, it’s going to be another useless wandering that’s all. You will be wasting your time as you have wasted so far, you will be wasting more. Don’t think about it. Now if you’re feeling on the left hand then put your right hand towards me, both hands. If it is not working on the right hand, then put left hand on your stomach, maybe something wrong with your stomach. If it’s not working on the right hand, put it on the stomach asking a question, Mother am I my own guru? Am I my own teacher? Ask a question to me. If you are getting in both hands, don’t think about it, it’s there. You got it. Ask the question, if it works then you will find a cool breeze coming out of your head. It’s a mass happening, it’s happening to thousands, so it should happen just see if it is coming out of your head. Now put both your hands towards me and close your eyes and don’t think, just don’t think, please close your eyes. Don’t watch others, just close your eyes. Shri Mataji Blows….. Those who are feeling the cool breeze, please raise your hands. Those who are not feeling the cool breeze raise your hands because we will have to just work it out, alright. I’ll have to ask some of the Sahaj Yogis to come and see what’s the problem, you shouldn’t mind because tomorrow when you get it, you will be able to do it yourself. I will also come and see, because it means there is some sort of obstruction and we have to remove it. Now it’s flowing from the hands of these Sahaj Yogis and they are giving thing to their aura because they don’t want to be caught up with your auras, but then when they raise your Kundalini, you will see yourself how they work it out. They are just like you people, they have learnt and you are going to learn from them, then you are going to do the same, alright.

7/10/1981

http://amruta.org/?p=4664

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Radio Interview, Brighton (UK), 10 July 1981. Broadcaster: Now, a little while ago with John Gribbin, we were being conducted on a whistle-stop tour of the external universe, but now we hope to probe a little deeper. A spiritual leader, who believes that every country in the world is linked to a particular part of the body, but who scorns religious gurus, who preaches that the essence of life lies within the [??SOUNDS LIKE evidual/Ovidual. Does he mean ‘individual’?] awakening yet [not sure here if the ‘comma’ comes before the “yet” or after, as meaning not clear] is extremely rich and married to a United Nations official. Well, I dare say I am about to be told that these apparent contradictions are of my own making, but I am very pleased to welcome to the sounding studio The Mataji Nirmala Devi, together with a local practitioner of Sahaja Yoga She espouses – Ray Harris. Now, he’s a Brighton geologist so we’ve got both sides of the spectrum and we’re very pleased to welcome you both to the studio. Now, perhaps I could start with You, Mother Mataji. You’re an Indian, now what kind of following do You have at home? Shri Mataji: There are lots of people in the villages of India. I work in the villages of India, not so much in the cities, and the villages are not yet touched by the superficialities and the pretensions of life so much. People are very simple and it’s easy to get them Realized. I mean, the Self-Realization – the Spirit. They can feel it much faster than others can; it works much faster there and it has improved their lives to a very great extent, because of this happening within yourself. You get cured and there was a possibility of starting even a national health scheme on those grounds, because you don’t have to pay anything for it, and also you give up all your bad habits like drinking, smoking, and there are other blessings that also follow with it. So it’s a very great thing, because you don’t have to pay anything for the countries which are developing now. Broadcaster: I think a lot of people can understand that, within the context of your own country. It seems to make sense in a very simple world where people don’t have the problems of the developed world that we have. But Ray Harris, does this have a lot of meaning in life over here, because things are so different, aren’t they? Ray Harris: Yes, but you see, nowadays we’ve got so many people who are really trying to return to the simpler, more natural values. I mean, we spend most of our time trying to compete with each other and see who’s going to be better and all sorts of things like bad results in families. You know, we see this and we feel that things are not going right, in spite of our affluence, in spite of our intelligence, in spite of our facility in the scientific world. We see all around us emotional despair, rioting as of late, even in Britain, which is traditionally a good country for people generally, even here things are starting to get very strange. And those who have any awareness or intelligence can’t fail to notice something’s wrong, and people are seeking. They’re looking for the return to calmness and peace of mind and serenity. Broadcaster: Well of course there are many fringe religions in Britain and indeed, in these troubled times, they’re growing. There are more people who are turning to religious experiences of one kind or another, but what is so special about Yours? Is it another established church? Shri Mataji: No, it is not. It is not an established one, it is neither an organized one. It is something very natural within us; spontaneous. It is the breakthrough of our evolutionary process, the last one. We have a meaning. We human beings are created for a meaning, for a certain purpose. We are not purposeless, and the evolution has taken place, has brought us to this level of human awareness and we have to break through; to become the awareness of the Spirit. It has been said by all the Scriptures. I am not here to deny any Scripture or any religion that was established, but by this you understand that they all are belonging to one Universal Power. While we are fighting because of our ignorance, it is the very integrating thing it transcends all the races, all the nations and all these barriers which human beings in their ignorance have created. Broadcaster: Now, You’re the Spiritual head of this movement, now how can You spread the word and the Gospel of Your Message when You have no organized Church? It must be rather difficult. Shri Mataji: Not at all, because there are seekers, as you said that the people here are very complicated, and sometimes this confusion gives them a greater seeking than that is in India, because people in the developing countries are seeking now material wealth. But the people, where they are affluent, they are seeking the spiritual wealth, so lots of seekers are born in these places, and it’s easy, very easy to talk to them and this can work out. Broadcaster: So how do you actually practice this, Ray? What do you actually have to do to try and bring in some of these ideas into your lives? Ray Harris: Well, it’s not really a case of practising anything in particular. You see, once you’ve met Mataji, something happens inside you. Normally speaking, if you’ve led a life which isn’t too, I don’t know, messed up in some way, emotionally or perhaps with drugs and things, you can feel this process inside you. Perhaps many people have felt shivers up their backs or tingling or blissful feelings when they’re listening to good music or seeing something – a beautiful scene or something, or even a beautiful lady. And this kind of joy that you feel, it’s the only way that we have to feel joy, you can recognise. I mean, this is the only way I recognised Mataji, is when She raised my Kundalini and I suddenly felt this tingling up my back and this joy and peace. I thought, “Ha, that’s it!” It’s simple. There’s no church or organization so the only thing we have to actually do is to keep ourselves cleansed. The Kundalini does it Herself inside you and essentially, all you have to do is lead a normal life, without excesses, balanced ideas, confidence, responsibility to yourself and to your Kundalini and also to other people – to your brothers and sisters and other people who have also had Kundalini raised, you have a common language. Broadcaster: I think a lot of people would agree with a lot that you say, but nevertheless, you’re really pinning it on to one person, the lady we have here. Now, I mean, how can you say that it comes from just this one person? Ray Harris: The vibrations come from this one person. If you put your hands out towards Her, you may be able to feel a sensation in the palms of your hands, you may feel yourself getting slightly more relaxed. You may feel yourself just feeling a little more joy inside, I don’t know. I mean, when I put my hands towards Her, I mean if people are listening – even people who are listening to the radio can put their hands out towards the radio – and some people will feel a tingling or some sensation in the palms of their hands, or even on their heads. And this is the judge of it; it’s something which happens internally. It’s to do with the Para-sympathetic nervous system. Broadcaster: See, Mother Mataji, You’re said to have these gifts; I mean how do You react to that? Don’t You think it’s a little dangerous, that a lot of people should just look to You, as an individual? It’s quite a responsibility, isn’t it? Shri Mataji: It’s like the Sun. The Sun doesn’t feel anything is dangerous, you see. And it just emits, what can I do about it? I mean, if you could do it, I would be very happy, but it’s not so, I have to do it, what to do? Broadcaster: So, are You saying that it is something special with You or could any of us, could I develop these gifts? Shri Mataji: No, you can get it also. Broadcaster: I could pass this on to other people? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, of course, of course. Ray Harris: This is what we’re doing, it’s all we do. Shri Mataji: You see, one light can enlighten another person. Nowadays, these boys are curing others and they are doing all this work. I can’t go everywhere. It’s done like that. You see, you become that, you become collectively conscious yourself. Broadcaster: Well, I’m not sure what everybody’s going to make of this. I think there’s something in it but, well I don’t know! Ray Harris: Come and see. Shri Mataji: Why not try? Why not try? Broadcaster: Well, thanks, I think perhaps we will. Ray Harris: We’re having programs tonight at the [SOUNDS LIKE Silas Benny] Hall which is at the Art College on Grand Parade, Brighton where Mother Herself will be appearing and proving to you that this has validity. Tonight at 7.30 and tomorrow at 7.30 also. Broadcaster: Well, there you are, you’ve got the invitation, why not try it?

Radio Interview, Brighton (UK), 10 July 1981. Broadcaster: Now, a little while ago with John Gribbin, we were being conducted on a whistle-stop tour of the external universe, but now we hope to probe a little deeper. A spiritual leader, who believes that every country in the world is linked to a particular part of the body, but who scorns religious gurus, who preaches that the essence of life lies within the [??SOUNDS LIKE evidual/Ovidual. Does he mean ‘individual’?] awakening yet [not sure here if the ‘comma’ comes before the “yet” or after, as meaning not clear] is extremely rich and married to a United Nations official. Well, I dare say I am about to be told that these apparent contradictions are of my own making, but I am very pleased to welcome to the sounding studio The Mataji Nirmala Devi, together with a local practitioner of Sahaja Yoga She espouses – Ray Harris. Now, he’s a Brighton geologist so we’ve got both sides of the spectrum and we’re very pleased to welcome you both to the studio. Now, perhaps I could start with You, Mother Mataji. You’re an Indian, now what kind of following do You have at home? Shri Mataji: There are lots of people in the villages of India. I work in the villages of India, not so much in the cities, and the villages are not yet touched by the superficialities and the pretensions of life so much. People are very simple and it’s easy to get them Realized. I mean, the Self-Realization – the Spirit. They can feel it much faster than others can; it works much faster there and it has improved their lives to a very great extent, because of this happening within yourself. You get cured and there was a possibility of starting even a national health scheme on those grounds, because you don’t have to pay anything for it, and also you give up all your bad habits like drinking, smoking, and there are other blessings that also follow with it. So it’s a very great thing, because you don’t have to pay anything for the countries which are developing now. Broadcaster: I think a lot of people can understand that, within the context of your own country. It seems to make sense in a very simple world where people don’t have the problems of the developed world that we have. But Ray Harris, does this have a lot of meaning in life over here, because things are so different, aren’t they? Ray Harris: Yes, but you see, nowadays we’ve got so many people who are really trying to return to the simpler, more natural values. I mean, we spend most of our time trying to compete with each other and see who’s going to be better and all sorts of things like bad results in families. You know, we see this and we feel that things are not going right, in spite of our affluence, in spite of our intelligence, in spite of our facility in the scientific world. We see all around us emotional despair, rioting as of late, even in Britain, which is traditionally a good country for people generally, even here things are starting to get very strange. And those who have any awareness or intelligence can’t fail to notice something’s wrong, and people are seeking. They’re looking for the return to calmness and peace of mind and serenity. Broadcaster: Well of course there are many fringe religions in Britain and indeed, in these troubled times, they’re growing. There are more people who are turning to religious experiences of one kind or another, but what is so special about Yours? Is it another established church? Shri Mataji: No, it is not. It is not an established one, it is neither an organized one. It is something very natural within us; spontaneous. It is the breakthrough of our evolutionary process, the last one. We have a meaning. We human beings are created for a meaning, for a certain purpose. We are not purposeless, and the evolution has taken place, has brought us to this level of human awareness and we have to break through; to become the awareness of the Spirit. It has been said by all the Scriptures. I am not here to deny any Scripture or any religion that was established, but by this you understand that they all are belonging to one Universal Power. While we are fighting because of our ignorance, it is the very integrating thing it transcends all the races, all the nations and all these barriers which human beings in their ignorance have created. Broadcaster: Now, You’re the Spiritual head of this movement, now how can You spread the word and the Gospel of Your Message when You have no organized Church? It must be rather difficult. Shri Mataji: Not at all, because there are seekers, as you said that the people here are very complicated, and sometimes this confusion gives them a greater seeking than that is in India, because people in the developing countries are seeking now material wealth. But the people, where they are affluent, they are seeking the spiritual wealth, so lots of seekers are born in these places, and it’s easy, very easy to talk to them and this can work out. Broadcaster: So how do you actually practice this, Ray? What do you actually have to do to try and bring in some of these ideas into your lives? Ray Harris: Well, it’s not really a case of practising anything in particular. You see, once you’ve met Mataji, something happens inside you. Normally speaking, if you’ve led a life which isn’t too, I don’t know, messed up in some way, emotionally or perhaps with drugs and things, you can feel this process inside you. Perhaps many people have felt shivers up their backs or tingling or blissful feelings when they’re listening to good music or seeing something – a beautiful scene or something, or even a beautiful lady. And this kind of joy that you feel, it’s the only way that we have to feel joy, you can recognise. I mean, this is the only way I recognised Mataji, is when She raised my Kundalini and I suddenly felt this tingling up my back and this joy and peace. I thought, “Ha, that’s it!” It’s simple. There’s no church or organization so the only thing we have to actually do is to keep ourselves cleansed. The Kundalini does it Herself inside you and essentially, all you have to do is lead a normal life, without excesses, balanced ideas, confidence, responsibility to yourself and to your Kundalini and also to other people – to your brothers and sisters and other people who have also had Kundalini raised, you have a common language. Broadcaster: I think a lot of people would agree with a lot that you say, but nevertheless, you’re really pinning it on to one person, the lady we have here. Now, I mean, how can you say that it comes from just this one person? Ray Harris: The vibrations come from this one person. If you put your hands out towards Her, you may be able to feel a sensation in the palms of your hands, you may feel yourself getting slightly more relaxed. You may feel yourself just feeling a little more joy inside, I don’t know. I mean, when I put my hands towards Her, I mean if people are listening – even people who are listening to the radio can put their hands out towards the radio – and some people will feel a tingling or some sensation in the palms of their hands, or even on their heads. And this is the judge of it; it’s something which happens internally. It’s to do with the Para-sympathetic nervous system. Broadcaster: See, Mother Mataji, You’re said to have these gifts; I mean how do You react to that? Don’t You think it’s a little dangerous, that a lot of people should just look to You, as an individual? It’s quite a responsibility, isn’t it? Shri Mataji: It’s like the Sun. The Sun doesn’t feel anything is dangerous, you see. And it just emits, what can I do about it? I mean, if you could do it, I would be very happy, but it’s not so, I have to do it, what to do? Broadcaster: So, are You saying that it is something special with You or could any of us, could I develop these gifts? Shri Mataji: No, you can get it also. Broadcaster: I could pass this on to other people? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, of course, of course. Ray Harris: This is what we’re doing, it’s all we do. Shri Mataji: You see, one light can enlighten another person. Nowadays, these boys are curing others and they are doing all this work. I can’t go everywhere. It’s done like that. You see, you become that, you become collectively conscious yourself. Broadcaster: Well, I’m not sure what everybody’s going to make of this. I think there’s something in it but, well I don’t know! Ray Harris: Come and see. Shri Mataji: Why not try? Why not try? Broadcaster: Well, thanks, I think perhaps we will. Ray Harris: We’re having programs tonight at the [SOUNDS LIKE Silas Benny] Hall which is at the Art College on Grand Parade, Brighton where Mother Herself will be appearing and proving to you that this has validity. Tonight at 7.30 and tomorrow at 7.30 also. Broadcaster: Well, there you are, you’ve got the invitation, why not try it?

7/11/1981

http://amruta.org/?p=6757

The Four Dimensions Within

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Public Program

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Public Program. Brighton (UK), 11 July 1981. Yesterday I told you about the organized way we are inside ourselves. How God has it organized within us our system by which we get our realization spontaneously, automatically. Today I'm going to describe the mechanism that lies within us. As I told you before, you should not have blind faith about it, but you should not also be people with closed minds. That's not being scientific. If you're scientific people, then you must keep your mind open. Because whatever is known to human being, is all limited, because their brain is limited, intelligence is limited. And I'm talking of something unlimited. And that is why one has to understand that there must be something lacking in human awareness that we have not been able to feel, to understand, to be. To be is the main point - that awareness by which we could know something of beyond. Now, as I told you, whatever is of beyond is not divine. We have within us at least four clear-cut dimensions. On the left hand side of the human being is the subconscious, and beyond it is the collective subconscious. On the right hand side we have our supra conscious, is our future. And beyond it, is collective supra-conscious. Below us is the dead, we can say, or the hell as they call it. Above it is the super-consciousness which is boundless, unlimited. So when you get any experience from anyone of these dimensions, you do not know which one is the true one. This is the big problem. And that's why people are mislead very much. For example, a person who is a very, very sad person, who has had very sad experiences within his own being, who has suffered a lot, works through his sub-conscious. He lives in his past. And then he may get affectation from his past. In Sahaja Yoga, we have cured many cancer patients. And in my experience, I have seen that the disease of cancer comes from this collective sub-conscious. It's most surprising that it comes from collective sub-conscious. All that is dead since our creation is also within us. And we get attacked by those subconscious areas, and we develop this cancer. That's why Buddha has said that we should not go to any extreme behavior. We being limited, we either move to the left or to the right, and slotted down below to the hell. If you are a extremely sad person and believe in suffering and all kinds of such things, you develop an institution within yourself. It's a superego which comes to people who are very mild, passive, who bear the brunt, who always think that they have to suffer a lot, who cry, weep - emotionally always disturbed. Another one is the type, which is aggressive, which thinks of the future, very aggressive, who aggresses others, who dominates. When they also go to the extremes, they enter into another area called as collective supra conscious. And when you enter into that, you suffer from the agony of that in the sense that you may get possessed by someone who is more aggressive than you are. That's what happened in Germany. Then you forget who you are, start behaving in a very funny manner. Sometimes you think that you have become dynamic, but you have not because you have lost your sense of proportion. The experiences you get from both these areas can be very, very misleading. For example, a person is sitting, and suddenly he starts jumping in his seat. This can come from both the sides. Maybe people might think that this is something special he has got. But it is not. Because we must understand what is the interest of God or Divine? To make us jump? Supposing a person comes and shows you a trick that you see this flowerpot moves from here to there, you get impressed by that, because for you it's something new. But it's not Divine. What is the interest of the Divine in removing this pot from there to this side? God has no interest in showing all such tricks. He has no interest in making you dance like mad or get into any sort of extreme behavior. He wants you to be normal people, first of all. You have to be normalized. People have experiences. Suddenly they say, "Oh, I felt very happy one day, and I felt my body went up and started looking at the people. This experience is also that of spirits, is not of your Spirit, of your Atma, of your Divine. Because these spirits, about which we do not know at all, we are naive. We do not know how they act upon us; can take away your interest. And we can go with them and can feel that everything is left behind. You may also feel little better with that, because the responsibility you feel is no more. I was amazed how people are seeking such horrible experiences without knowing what it is. For example, there were three scientists from America came to see Me specially, to learn how to do that, to leave the body and go somewhere. I was amazed. I asked them, "Why do you want to know? You are such great scientists. You are already going to moon, everywhere. Why do you want to do that?" They said, "Because Russians are doing these ESP experiments, so we want to do." I said, "If Russians are cutting their throats, do you want to cut your throats also?" They said, "No, we want to do it because we want to know when people go to the moon." I said, "Don't try to befool Me. You are doing it only because you think it gives you more power. It does not. After some time you'll find you'll be enslaved by the spirits who are helping you to do all these things." Christ has very clearly said that we have nothing to do with the dead nor with the spirits. He took out the spirits and put them in the pig. The pigs ran into the sea. But perhaps Christians never realized that we have nothing to do with the dead, and Christ has forbidden us. When the people live, we are not bothered. When the parents are sick, we are not bothered. When they die, we have a big huge thing. We pay for a funeral. We go there, wear a proper dress. And if it's a black dress, we want to have black diamonds and all that properly done. We pay for it, and we will make big social event out of it. We go to the cemeteries. Even in the churches, we have all the dead put there. We little realize that there these people are lying, and some of them are still there. They are not dead. He has talked of spirits very clearly. Many people who came to Him were possessed. But somehow we don't want to think of Christ now, perhaps because we think He was too mysterious. I don't know why. In India, people perhaps know about the dead. That much at least is there, that they try to keep away all that. A simple thing if you start an experience, you can do it. It's very simple. If you want to go into the dead and finish off yourself, is just to start jumping, every day, hundred times. You'll get possessed. Now when you get possessed, you get certain so-called powers because you get in contact with the dead. When you get in contact with the dead, they start helping you, and you feel that you have got these powers and that powers. One example I would like to give because it's very important. I find in Brighton it is very, very prevalent. Even the children are suffering. I see many people who have these problems because they do not know how to behave towards the dead. There was one Dr. Lang in England who died. And his spirit attacked a soldier in Vietnam or something. This soldier ran away from there and hid himself. And the spirit told that I am such and such. You better go and see my son, and you start a clinic there. Imagine. And this ordinary man - he was an ordinary soldier, he didn't have any education about medical or anything, he did not know what it was, nothing, just an ordinary soldier - he came to England, saw the son. And the son said, "I can't believe the story." But then he started telling him about certain very secret things that he had talked to his son, and then believed him. And they started that clinic. And this Dr. Lang, Late Dr. Lang's International Curative Centre, and this curative centre started sending letters to people who wanted to get cured. And they would say that at such and such time we'll come into you and work it out. But there was some honesty about it that they said it, "These are the spirits we are working with." But the people who were so called cured by this late Dr. Lang, came to Me, and I found they were absolutely finished. They had gone bananas as they say. Their nerves were completely finished, and they didn't know what to do with themselves, absolutely finished. They did feel cured of one particular disease, but they had so many other possessions within them that they didn't know what they were doing. Now it's a fact to be explored after Realization. Now what is the experience of the super-consciousness? The experience of the super-consciousness is that that your consciousness, your awareness becomes more aware, gets enlightened. It becomes. It's not just lecturing that you have to become something superior or anything, but it becomes. Means you become collectively conscious, you become, again. If that happens to you, then you start feeling another person, and you start feeling yourself. If you are a truthful seeker, absolutely a truthful seeker, then I have to request you as a Mother to be kind to yourself because you have been seeking for ages now, many lives. And today you have again come to seek. Do not get into any camouflage or any falsehood but ask for the real. And the real is when your attention becomes enlightened, when your awareness becomes enlightened. For example, yesterday you saw a gentleman who had come here. He has never seen this Maharishi Yogi or whosoever it is. He must have paid lots of money to this man. I know the kind of people they could become. I've seen them. He has no collective consciousness, he cannot raise the Kundalini of anyone, he has no powers of himself to express, and he is just fighting for a guru who has been done nothing for him whatsoever? "I feel very nice with him" and all these are mental, just mental satisfactions because you want to satisfy yourself. Because you do not want to feel that you have been befooled. All those people who want to have the real thing, really real thing, should face it up absolutely in complete truthfulness to yourself. Why do you want to cheat yourself? Because you are seekers. All such false people will go down into hell, no doubt, and they'll carry you also with them. So, be careful when I say that. I have openly told about them in 1970 by names, what these people are doing, and how they are attacking you. But nobody is willing to listen to Me. They want to be attacked, they want to be hypnotized, they want to do absurd things, which has no meaning. Everything that Divine does is absolutely logical but maybe not rational. For example, you will see a flower becomes a fruit. You see it with your own eyes. Then you know that the flower has become a fruit, isn't it? It's a living process, which has done this. But you cannot explain how it has happened. Neither you rationalize it that because of this, it has happened, because of this, this has happened. But it's logical that you see it yourself. If you are really truthful, then you have to give certificate to yourself. Nobody is going to give you certificate nor somebody is going to say, "Oh, you are the epitome of everything," nor somebody is going to say that you are condemned forever because as I said yesterday, the last judgment has started. Believe Me, it has started. And the judgment is going to take through the Kundalini awakening, through this residual force which exists within the triangular bone there. You can see with your naked eyes in some people, pulsating. It rises, and it pierces through the fontanel bone area where you can feel the cool breeze coming out. You can feel it, again I say, the cool breeze coming out of your being. You can feel the cool breeze coming towards you if I'm sitting here, or you can see it flowing out. Not only that, but after that, you can feel the different centers on your hands, on your fingers. You can feel the another person's centers, and you can feel your own centers. You can raise the Kundalini. You can see the Kundalini raising under your hand. You can give realization to people. You can cure them physically and emotionally. One may say, "Mother, how is it so easy? We have read about Kundalini. It's a very difficult thing." Or there are people who say like that. "And it's not possible. We know so much about Kundalini. How can that be so simple?" But supposing it is, then? There is some mystery about Me. Take it that way. Supposing you see a flower blooming into a - say fruit. Then it has happened. Then you are not going to deny that there is no living force? There must be something about Me that it is happening. I'm not willing to tell you now maybe that it is postponed for the time being. But one must understand that there is something that has happened. It has happened to so many. It must happen to me also. And if it happens, there is something about it. We have to squarely face this fact and not to be deluded by what I say, what I talk, what anybody has talked so far. As I said, you need not have blind faith for Me. But you should not also put a barrier for yourself. If this has to happen to you, let it happen. This is what is your second birth. It is like 'born again' as they say, as Christ has said. Human beings know how to make mess of things very well. They have messed up with everything, Christ, Mohammed, everyone. With Me also they tried. I went to America in 1970. Of course, you know that for truthful things there are very few people. At least they have not crucified Me so far, or they have not yet sort of come out of it, their all filth. But you know they like such places where there is a circus on. So there were some horrible gurus who were there, and they were doing all kinds of tricks. And people were running to them, and this, and that. And I was also there. And the gentlemen who arranged My program he said that, "Mother, people are coming with tape recorders, this, that. They are taping your speech, and you should really be careful about it." I said, "Why? It's all right. If they play My tape recorder, then message will be round that the time has started, the blossoming time has come. What is there to be afraid of?" They said, "No, but they will misuse. They'll write books." I said, "Let them write books. Let them do what they like. But the Kundalini has to be awakened according to Me. So that will come after all to reality. You may write anything. Ultimately you have to face the facts." And they said, "No, Mother, it's more than that." I said, "What is it?" They said, "They might use it for some other purposes. They'll make money out of it." I said, "Let them make money. Let them do what they like. I'm not bothered." But you know what happened? I went to Australia, and I met some people who called themselves 'born again'. I was surprised. And the one who is their leader has been attending my program, I know him too well. They have certified themselves 'we are born again', finished. And this one becomes the leader. There's another one I met in Japan who got his Realization. He started another organization of his own. It's all right. I don't mind as long as you give Realization. But his daughter never gave Realization, and so many people got trapped into that. I asked these people, If you are born again, what is so special about you? If you are born again, why do you not treat other people? Let me see. Do you raise the Kundalini? Can you give them Self-realization? Can you give them another birth? An egg cannot say he's a bird, can he say? Like eggs saying, "I'm the bird, I'm the bird," they are saying "born again, born again." The proof of the pudding is that they are not born again at all. All such false certificates are for whom? For whose conviction? You are your own judge. You have to judge yourself. And you have to be fair to yourself and to nobody else. You have to be kind to yourself that you are born on this earth to be born again and that you should get it. There is nothing else I ask you. Because within us all these things have been nicely planted without your awareness. All these seven centers you see are very nicely planted. They are there. And all the Deities of different characters, like innocence is the first deity, are there. When the Kundalini is awakened, She awakens the different deities. By awakening those deities, you get the reward of those deities. As I told you yesterday when It crosses this, you get Christ awakened. Of course, not this, it is inside on the crossroads of optic chiasma, you can say, which there is a center called as Agnya Chakra. And this center looks after your pituitary and pineal body. When the Kundalini rises, She enlightens all these centers. Christ is enlightened. And the ego and superego which create the idea of sin and the idea of karmas is sucked in - through Christ. It is said that He died for us, for our sins. It's a fact. But there was another gentleman yesterday here. He told Me that, "My guru says that I'm suffering because of my karmas." I said: "Then why do you have this guru? Why do you pay him? Better pickle him out. Let him suffer for his karmas also." He's suffering. Then I said, "Your guru has had three attacks. I know very well. And all his disciples get heart attacks. Or the children are crippled. I'm treating them, I know. I'm treating them. " And he says, "We are suffering our own karmas, but he takes a little. That's why he gets heart attack." I said, "How much?" He said, "One twentieth." I said, "Really very measured quantity?" Now his own child, I did not know, the wife was crying. She said, "Mother, give me Realization." And she said, "Mother can You come to my house for a short time?" I didn't understand why she was saying so. Then she said, "Because my child is suffering. She is crippled. And if You come to my house, You can cure." I said, "I have to go to somewhere now." She said, "All right. I'll come tomorrow." But I knew her husband won't bring her. He is so possessed. She said, "You promise you'll cure my child?" I said, "I promise. You bring." "Will You take her karmas upon yourself?" I said, "I'll take the karmas of all the world upon Myself. Come along." With all these assurances she was sure, I will do it. He did not allow her to come. She never came. How would you get possessed? Now why are you identified with anyone so much? You have to identify yourself with yourself.. And with no one else who has not done anything from you - only he has taken from you, asked from you to do this, and do that, and do this, and do that. They are forming cults, and groups, and things. By this you cannot get Realization. You cannot organize God. There cannot be an organization of God. Is there an organization of trees and leaves? Anything living is to be organized by God and not by human beings. Let us face it. Our ego does not allow us to understand that. And this is a living process. This is the evolutionary process within us, which works it out. And when it happens, the last, the epitome or your evolution you achieve. I would give you an analogy to understand it, which is a gross analogy. So don't take it too far as the thing is. You just try to understand. Like in a car, you have got a brake, and you have got an accelerator. In the same way within us say there are two powers. One is the left sided one, the brake, and the right sided one, which is the accelerator. He'll show you there. - And the other one. Now these two manifest outside, the sympathetic nervous system, the left and the right sympathetic nervous system within us. Now the third power is the power that evolves us. Like we can see that we are trying to learn driving. And there is a master sitting behind who is guiding us and teaching us how to drive the car, so by using these two powers, balancing it, understanding it, keeping the car in the centre. We don't drive car on one wheel, do we? We sit on four legs of a chair. Do we sit on two legs? We ourselves don't stand on one leg. We have two legs. We always go in a way that our gravity is in the center. But in our lifestyle we are extremist. If we start drinking, we'll become alcoholic. If you start anything what so ever, if you are a working person who is working, you become workaholic. Any sort of thing one starts, they go into extremes. So, one has to learn the handling of these two powers. Now the master is sitting and guiding you, up to a point, till you become human beings. The evolution comes up to that. Then the master gives you freedom to handle the car. He sits at the back, in the heart as the Spirit. All right, you drive the car. You start again, left and right, start using it, making mistakes, whatever it is. There is nothing important as long as you learn how to drive. Then you master your driving. Then you become the master. You become the Spirit. This is how it works out. Now somebody will say, "How much time will it take for me to learn the car?" The answer is, "As much as it will take." Can you say that exactly after three hours, three minutes, two seconds you'll become expert in car driving? Much more than that is the living process. You cannot say how much time it will take for a flower to become a fruit. And you cannot say how much time will it take for you to get your Realization. But the action is only of split of a second's duration, believe Me, not more than that. But there are obstructions on the way. And because of these obstructions it takes time. One has to guide it. Once you get it, and settle down with it, when you become the master of the car, you can handle other cars also very well. And you know how to do it. That's how a realized soul can give Realizations to others. One enlightened light can enlighten other people. It is as simple, straight forward, matter of fact, down to earth. In Sahaja Yoga, we deny nothing but untruth. All the saints, and all the prophets, and all the great advents are within us, placed on different centers. Not only that we have to respect them, but we have to know where are they placed, we have to know how to enlighten them. They are the milestones of our evolution. And whatever I say can be seen. For example, as I told you Christ is placed here. And if this center is caught up, you raise the Kundalini, you bring up to that point, and it won't rise. Then you have to say Lord's Prayer in the presence of a Sahaja Yogi, in the presence of a realized soul. Kundalini will rise. You will see that. We have done that. But Lord's Prayer is an expanded, I should say, is the statement of the bija mantra, is the seed mantra. The seed mantra of this charka is ham ksham, is the seed mantra in Sanskrit language. Because this whole system of Kundalini, which was a secret till the sixth century till Adi Shankaracharya came in, was told to people, and people know about it. Even Kabira has clearly written about the Ida, Pingala, Sushumna. Nanaka has written, all these people have written about it. In the Bible also, it is described that, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames". What are these 'tongues of flames'? Are nothing but centers. Then Christ has said, "Those who are not against Me are with Me." Who are those? He was born in such a horrible place that He had only four years of preach - hardly. Otherwise, there was struggle, struggle, struggle. And twelve fishermen who did not know how to write - you can imagine. I had six very well educated Englishmen for four years, and I was breaking My neck and theirs too to get their Kundalini up there. So you can imagine [laughing] the plight of Christ struggling with these twelve people for four years. Now, when He is no more, then everybody has become a Christian. To Me it's a surprise to see this, really. When He lived, when He was crucified, it's a different story altogether. You denied Him. Everybody denied Him. But the false are always accepted. But no more now. If you try to accept false people, you will suffer. You will even suffer physically. Mentally, you'll suffer no doubt. You feel very restless. But also physically you will suffer, and you'll have to come to the truth because God is anxious that you should get your Realization. You should enter into the Kingdom of God because you are the greatest creation of God. And if you don't enter into the Kingdom of God, He's not going to be happy. His creation will lose its meaning. You have to find your meaning which you will find. But be open-minded, and get it within yourself. As you will know the subject matter of Sahaja Yoga is very vast. And I must have given at least 400 lectures by now in Caxton Hall alone apart from everywhere that I have been traveling. And in this short time I can only cover few points here and there. There is a French man who has written a book about Sahaja Yog, but we do not release it to people who are not yet realized because the first state is of thoughtless awareness where you become thoughtlessly aware, but you can cure with that condition. Kundalini has to pierce. Of course, you start feeling it, nicely, but still you have to reach the state of doubtless awareness, which is called as Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Unless and until you reach that state, it's dangerous. So there are certain secrets of your own being are not to be divulged. Like Christ said, "I'm the path, I'm the light," or something, people crucified him. They could not bear that a human being could be like that. They could not bear it, too much for them, a carpenter's son? Till He got resurrected, His own disciples would not believe Him. So, certain things are told to you when you really master this art of Kundalini awakening, and then you will know much more. Still there are many lectures, which are taped and are there. But listening to them is not going to help you. By reading, it's not going to help you. You have to become, you have to become Realized. There is no organization of Sahaja Yoga. You cannot pay for it. You cannot become members, and think I'm a Sahaja Yogi. You cannot certify yourself. You cannot wear a particular dress and say that I belong to Mataji, nothing of the kind. I do not recognize anyone of them. Neither God will recognize those who just say that "I'm this and that." God does not recognize your clothes. He recognizes your being. And that's what is to be recognized by you also that you become that. Rise in your own glory, rise in your own reality and enjoy it. That's the most enjoyable thing for which God has made us an instrument. And let this instrument be put in connection with the mains. That's what has to happen. Is the easiest thing can happen, and has happened to so many, and should happen to you in this beautiful place Brighton. May God bless you! Yesterday I saw some people asked questions, and they're quite good and sensible but one was a foolish man, doesn't matter, forgive him. But if you have any questions you can ask Me. But not too many but sensible questions that will help others. And you must know that you are not the only person who has come here. There are so many who have come here from all over the places, and if you have any questions, you should know that it should help others, and not to disturb them, and trouble them. Just ask the question if you have any. [One seeker asks something] Shri Mataji: How do you proceed with...? [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: What did he say? Shri Mataji: Eternal hell? Now, why you are interested in hell, Mister? You said "hell" or what? [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: Ah... [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: Why do you want to talk of ugly things My child? You read William Blake. He is the best. Ah, So great. He has described complete Sahaja Yoga in His book Milton, complete. Even up to a point where we'll have our ashram Lambeth Vale, up to a point where I will come first and live Surrey Hills. Such details He has described. He's also described hell and the future of the people who are supposed to be very clever. It's tremendous. You read Him. In us it is there. It exists. But you are seekers. You should think of eternal life and not of hell. That you can get very easily. You can take two running jumps and go there. [laughing] [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: Who are...? [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: No. You cannot force. You have been given your own freedom. So far in evolution there was no freedom given to you. If you do not want, nobody can force it [unclear], very difficult. Even if there is a subtle denial, it's very difficult. Today I had a bad time with someone like that, I was trying to push someone up and the thing was falling on Me back again [laughing]. Oh. Of course, I'm your Mother. And as a Mother, I have tremendous patience, and love, and understanding, too much. In that love, I try to convince. I'm trying to persuade, to counsel in every way possible. Sometimes I go to a very great extent to make people understand. But ultimately you have to ask for it. They will all come. These are mediocres. Once they see you have crossed the ocean, they'll come. They want others to have it first. They are not the ones who will jump first to do it. They are mediocres. Don't you worry, lot's of them will be coming. Like one fish came out of the ocean then maybe about twelve followed, then many but later on shoals and shoals of them. In the same way it will happen. First of all you establish yourself within yourself. You become a good Sahaja Yogini. Your own life will transform others. Now we have somebody here who is a Jew. His life was completely transformed. He was a rebellion, he was this, that. He would not talk to people, sort of thing, a very nice honest man, very dynamic. And when he got transformed, his sisters, and his mother, and father who was very well versed in all Jew, this thing, literature - got Realization. They came to Sahaja Yoga, and this gentleman is now willing to write, I mean he wants to write something about Kabala, the relationship between Kabala and Kundalini, and we were discussing it. There is a gentleman from Algeria here whose story I told you yesterday, and there are so many Muslims. His own family, his father came to see Me, mother came to see Me. Actually his mother wanted to go to Mecca. So he said, "Why do you go to Mecca? Now Mecca is in London. Mataji is not in Mecca." England will be a Jerusalem. Remember that. I've come all the way from India to do that. Let's see how the English are going to behave towards it. The river Thames has to become the Ganges. This is the heart of the universe. England is the heart. But the English - very difficult. Six people, can you imagine, for four years? Once they get it, they are beautiful. They are the best young people in the whole world, no doubt, rather difficult to begin with. They're very sweet. Beautiful they are. Actually they are overgrown, I think. But when they find somebody much overgrown than them, then they are all right, over-read, scholarly, nice people. Takes time for intellectuals to understand this. This doesn't matter, it works out. They asked Me a question in your radio, "Which country you find the most difficult?" I didn't want what to say it. [laughing]. But the difficult ones are the best. Like I would say the diamond is the hardest stone, isn't it? But it's the most valuable. It's like that. Believe Me. I mean, since the last seven years, I've spent most of My time in England. Of course, I go to India, I've been to Australia. Australia has been very fast, very fast. They are simpler people. Americans are shifty. I'm going to America also. But it will circulate through you people, I can tell you, because still people think, British are wise, wise people. Let's see how it works out. But still I cannot force. Again, I will tell you whether you are British or anything. I cannot force you to get Realization [laughing]. That's one thing cannot be forced. Actually, you have to ask for it. This doesn't break. Sahasrara doesn't break, if you have not asked. This goes down, it doesn't break. You have to ask for it in all humility. That's very true. You don't have to pay anything, but you have to ask for it. You have to knock at the door. Door is the Christ. You have to pass through Him. But you have to knock at His door. He won't open the door unless until you knock. This is the door of entrance. Is all right? Is there any question? One more, if somebody have, please. Yes My child? [seeker says something] Shri Mataji [speaking aside]: What does he say? [Sahaja Yogi repeating the question of the seeker] Shri Mataji: Is a very good question because you are a seeker. There are no practices as I said. It's spontaneous. You see, now see this light is not enlightened, all right, but is ready. What practice do you do to enlighten this, nothing. Bring that light near, and it gets enlightened. It's like that. You'll get your Realization here just now. I tell you how to do it. Because these fingers that you have, have all these centers left and right, seven of them - five, six and seven. I mean you place your hands towards Me now because I'm here. Just like this. And close your eyes just close your eyes. And the Kundalini spontaneously rises. You don't have to do anything. But when you become realized, when this power start flowing through you, then you have to know how to maneuver it, how to raise it, how to keep it there. Like this one, we buy from the shop - all right? And then you put it to the mains, it starts working. But you have to know how to maintain it, how to manage it. That's the knowledge you have to know later on which is called as Kundalini Yoga, is a knowledge about Kundalini. But otherwise it is spontaneous, "sahaja," means "born with you." It's just like sprouting a seed when you put it into the mother earth. It is absolutely spontaneous. Everything that is living is spontaneous. So there are no practices as such before Realization. After Realization, you have to know how to maintain it. And we have a nice center here. You can find out. It is 31 College Road [speaking aside: Is it she staying there?] And also they have now started a little shop for people because that was a very good way of contacting people. I don't know the address of the shop or any of these places. There are many places here in Brighton. We have got Sahaja Yogis who are very good. They know all about Kundalini they are just like you to look at. They are very normal people. But they know about your chakras, they know about themselves, and they can tell you how to preserve this Realization. All the knowledge will be yours. Because now the light is within you, you can see also for yourself. And by practising it, you'll get it, you don't have to pay for it, nothing. So just know you have to just put your hands like this. But later on you must know that it is to be maintained, and that's a very, very important thing which people miss. Now put your hands like this, just like this. - And close your eyes. - As I said, you have to ask for it. You have to ask for your Realization. You have to ask for your Spirit. Let your Spirit come into your conscious mind. "Mother, give me my Self-Realization." You have to ask for it. You have to humble down. You should not be obstinate. One thing in Sahaja Yoga, those people who are obstinate or identified with something that is obstinate, it won't work out. The Kundalini will not stay there. You are obstinate with yourself. It's not going to help you. Don't be obstinate. After all you want your Self-Realization, isn't it. That's the most important thing. So don't be obstinate about anything. Just let it happen within you. Just let it happen within you. If you have been obstinate, how can the Kundalini rise? Put both the feet on the ground properly and sit absolutely relaxed. Now the first thing you feel is a thoughtless awareness within yourself. If you have anything in your neck, please take it out. I think it stops here. Anything in your neck, please take it out, doesn't help. These material things always catch, better take it out. It's better. It's better take it out, because your Self-Realization is more important than anything else, isn't it? Better take out anything that you have in your necks. Any jewellery or anything you have, please put it in your pockets. You see it has attachments, it has problem. Put it in your purse or put it somewhere. It helps you. If there is any girdle or anything round your neck, some people have girdles here? Make it loose a little. Because that way, Kundalini rises by itself no doubt, but if there is pressure on the spinal cord, physical pressure then it [Unclear] sometimes. Hah, now see, much better, much lighter on the Vishuddhi. It's very relaxing. First thing that will happen is relaxation. Now you have to ask for your Realization. It has reached the point, but it's not breaking through. Just ask for your Realization. Can you take the baby out? You see, people get diverted. Better now. Let your attention be loose. Don't put it concentrated on to any particular point, please. Keep it absolutely loose, please. Put both the hands like this, like this. You have to forgive, forgive others. Say it thrice from your heart, "I forgive anyone." Don't say it is difficult. Just say. "Mother, I forgive everyone." Even your horrible gurus just forgive them. It's all right. Forgive yourself first of all. Don't feel guilty. Forgive yourself. And forgive everyone, please. Say, "I forgive." Then, without feeling guilty, again I say without feeling guilty say that, "If I have done any mistakes, please forgive me." You have to... This is Lord's Prayer. Imagine Christian nations will catch the center of Agnya much more than anywhere else. Just imagine. Ask for forgiveness rise. That immediately say that, "Mother, I'm not guilty." Because this builds up. It's a very big fashion in the West to feel guilty for nothing at all. Say Mother, "I'm not guilty." Please say it again. Say it thrice. Just go on saying "I'm not guilty." Heat is coming out of you. So much guilt you have built. That's why the gentlemen was talking about eternal hell I believe. You are here to enjoy the heavens and not to go to hell. So don't feel guilty. Now you can put your right hand on your heart and left hand towards Me, and ask a question, please, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Ask the question, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Ask the question. Again, ask the question. Ask thrice, "Mother, am I the spirit?" Going on asking you'll find the cool breeze will flow into you, left hand, when you ask the question. Now put your right hand towards Me, and left hand on your stomach, and ask a question, "Mother, am I my own guru? Am I my own master?" This is to neutralize all gurus. Just say, "Am I my own master, Mother?" Ultimately, you are your own master. You are your own guru. Now put both the hands towards Me. Close your eyes and ask for realization, "Mother, give me my realization, and establish it. Say it thrice. Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini. Aham Sakshat Nirmalam, Sakshat Nirmalam, Shakshat Nirmalam. Aham Sakshat Adi Shakti, Aham Sakshat Adi Shakti, Aham Sakshat Adi Shakti, Aham Sakshat Adi Shakti. Aham Sakshat Kalki, Aham Sakshat Kalki, Aham Sakshat Kalki, Aham Sakshat Kalki. Aham Sakshat Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahsaraswati. Sakshat Mahakali, Mahsaraswati, Mahalakshmi, Sakshat Mahakali, Mahsaraswati, Mahalakshmi. Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshakt Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini. Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Atma, Aham Sakshat Paramatma, Aham Sakshat Atma, Aham Sakshat Paramatma, Aham Sakshat Atma, Om Sakshat Paramatma, Aham Sakshat Atma, Aham Sakshat Paramatma. Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti. Ask any absolute question if you have not [felt?] vibrations. Like you can ask question, "Is there God?" Ask thrice. Hmm, it's there. Are you feeling? Good. Those who are feeling the cool breeze please raise your hands, those who are feeling it. Those who are not feeling need not. Those who are really feeling please raise your, now, those who are feeling, Sahaja yogis also, please raise your hands. All of you. Good. All the Sahaja yogis should raise. Yeah. Who is she? Are you a Sahaja yogini? Are you taping Me there? You can't. I'm sorry. No, please. They are not allowed. Is she with you? Ah? [Someone speaking from the audience] Shri Mataji: Ah? It's all right. Is it? You see because these people now in the, in India have started a new thing that nobody else but a Sahaja yogi can tape, all right? [Someone speaking from the audience] Shri Mataji: It's... so she can't. You can have the tape. You have taped it? [Someone speaking from the audience] Shri Mataji: All right. I'm sorry you'll have to give the tape because under law we cannot. You see there is a sort of a thing they have passed, and they have told Me, "Mother we'll not allow anybody to tape." So, I have agreed. I'm sorry. Because there is a certain protocol about these tapes, and if it is not used with tapes, people suffer. So we would like only Sahaja yogis to tape it. We found out such things happening, and we don't want people to suffer for nothing at all. There is a protocol. Those who are not feeling cool breeze raise your hands. Raise your hands. Please.

Public Program. Brighton (UK), 11 July 1981. Yesterday I told you about the organized way we are inside ourselves. How God has it organized within us our system by which we get our realization spontaneously, automatically. Today I'm going to describe the mechanism that lies within us. As I told you before, you should not have blind faith about it, but you should not also be people with closed minds. That's not being scientific. If you're scientific people, then you must keep your mind open. Because whatever is known to human being, is all limited, because their brain is limited, intelligence is limited. And I'm talking of something unlimited. And that is why one has to understand that there must be something lacking in human awareness that we have not been able to feel, to understand, to be. To be is the main point - that awareness by which we could know something of beyond. Now, as I told you, whatever is of beyond is not divine. We have within us at least four clear-cut dimensions. On the left hand side of the human being is the subconscious, and beyond it is the collective subconscious. On the right hand side we have our supra conscious, is our future. And beyond it, is collective supra-conscious. Below us is the dead, we can say, or the hell as they call it. Above it is the super-consciousness which is boundless, unlimited. So when you get any experience from anyone of these dimensions, you do not know which one is the true one. This is the big problem. And that's why people are mislead very much. For example, a person who is a very, very sad person, who has had very sad experiences within his own being, who has suffered a lot, works through his sub-conscious. He lives in his past. And then he may get affectation from his past. In Sahaja Yoga, we have cured many cancer patients. And in my experience, I have seen that the disease of cancer comes from this collective sub-conscious. It's most surprising that it comes from collective sub-conscious. All that is dead since our creation is also within us. And we get attacked by those subconscious areas, and we develop this cancer. That's why Buddha has said that we should not go to any extreme behavior. We being limited, we either move to the left or to the right, and slotted down below to the hell. If you are a extremely sad person and believe in suffering and all kinds of such things, you develop an institution within yourself. It's a superego which comes to people who are very mild, passive, who bear the brunt, who always think that they have to suffer a lot, who cry, weep - emotionally always disturbed. Another one is the type, which is aggressive, which thinks of the future, very aggressive, who aggresses others, who dominates. When they also go to the extremes, they enter into another area called as collective supra conscious. And when you enter into that, you suffer from the agony of that in the sense that you may get possessed by someone who is more aggressive than you are. That's what happened in Germany. Then you forget who you are, start behaving in a very funny manner. Sometimes you think that you have become dynamic, but you have not because you have lost your sense of proportion. The experiences you get from both these areas can be very, very misleading. For example, a person is sitting, and suddenly he starts jumping in his seat. This can come from both the sides. Maybe people might think that this is something special he has got. But it is not. Because we must understand what is the interest of God or Divine? To make us jump? Supposing a person comes and shows you a trick that you see this flowerpot moves from here to there, you get impressed by that, because for you it's something new. But it's not Divine. What is the interest of the Divine in removing this pot from there to this side? God has no interest in showing all such tricks. He has no interest in making you dance like mad or get into any sort of extreme behavior. He wants you to be normal people, first of all. You have to be normalized. People have experiences. Suddenly they say, "Oh, I felt very happy one day, and I felt my body went up and started looking at the people. This experience is also that of spirits, is not of your Spirit, of your Atma, of your Divine. Because these spirits, about which we do not know at all, we are naive. We do not know how they act upon us; can take away your interest. And we can go with them and can feel that everything is left behind. You may also feel little better with that, because the responsibility you feel is no more. I was amazed how people are seeking such horrible experiences without knowing what it is. For example, there were three scientists from America came to see Me specially, to learn how to do that, to leave the body and go somewhere. I was amazed. I asked them, "Why do you want to know? You are such great scientists. You are already going to moon, everywhere. Why do you want to do that?" They said, "Because Russians are doing these ESP experiments, so we want to do." I said, "If Russians are cutting their throats, do you want to cut your throats also?" They said, "No, we want to do it because we want to know when people go to the moon." I said, "Don't try to befool Me. You are doing it only because you think it gives you more power. It does not. After some time you'll find you'll be enslaved by the spirits who are helping you to do all these things." Christ has very clearly said that we have nothing to do with the dead nor with the spirits. He took out the spirits and put them in the pig. The pigs ran into the sea. But perhaps Christians never realized that we have nothing to do with the dead, and Christ has forbidden us. When the people live, we are not bothered. When the parents are sick, we are not bothered. When they die, we have a big huge thing. We pay for a funeral. We go there, wear a proper dress. And if it's a black dress, we want to have black diamonds and all that properly done. We pay for it, and we will make big social event out of it. We go to the cemeteries. Even in the churches, we have all the dead put there. We little realize that there these people are lying, and some of them are still there. They are not dead. He has talked of spirits very clearly. Many people who came to Him were possessed. But somehow we don't want to think of Christ now, perhaps because we think He was too mysterious. I don't know why. In India, people perhaps know about the dead. That much at least is there, that they try to keep away all that. A simple thing if you start an experience, you can do it. It's very simple. If you want to go into the dead and finish off yourself, is just to start jumping, every day, hundred times. You'll get possessed. Now when you get possessed, you get certain so-called powers because you get in contact with the dead. When you get in contact with the dead, they start helping you, and you feel that you have got these powers and that powers. One example I would like to give because it's very important. I find in Brighton it is very, very prevalent. Even the children are suffering. I see many people who have these problems because they do not know how to behave towards the dead. There was one Dr. Lang in England who died. And his spirit attacked a soldier in Vietnam or something. This soldier ran away from there and hid himself. And the spirit told that I am such and such. You better go and see my son, and you start a clinic there. Imagine. And this ordinary man - he was an ordinary soldier, he didn't have any education about medical or anything, he did not know what it was, nothing, just an ordinary soldier - he came to England, saw the son. And the son said, "I can't believe the story." But then he started telling him about certain very secret things that he had talked to his son, and then believed him. And they started that clinic. And this Dr. Lang, Late Dr. Lang's International Curative Centre, and this curative centre started sending letters to people who wanted to get cured. And they would say that at such and such time we'll come into you and work it out. But there was some honesty about it that they said it, "These are the spirits we are working with." But the people who were so called cured by this late Dr. Lang, came to Me, and I found they were absolutely finished. They had gone bananas as they say. Their nerves were completely finished, and they didn't know what to do with themselves, absolutely finished. They did feel cured of one particular disease, but they had so many other possessions within them that they didn't know what they were doing. Now it's a fact to be explored after Realization. Now what is the experience of the super-consciousness? The experience of the super-consciousness is that that your consciousness, your awareness becomes more aware, gets enlightened. It becomes. It's not just lecturing that you have to become something superior or anything, but it becomes. Means you become collectively conscious, you become, again. If that happens to you, then you start feeling another person, and you start feeling yourself. If you are a truthful seeker, absolutely a truthful seeker, then I have to request you as a Mother to be kind to yourself because you have been seeking for ages now, many lives. And today you have again come to seek. Do not get into any camouflage or any falsehood but ask for the real. And the real is when your attention becomes enlightened, when your awareness becomes enlightened. For example, yesterday you saw a gentleman who had come here. He has never seen this Maharishi Yogi or whosoever it is. He must have paid lots of money to this man. I know the kind of people they could become. I've seen them. He has no collective consciousness, he cannot raise the Kundalini of anyone, he has no powers of himself to express, and he is just fighting for a guru who has been done nothing for him whatsoever? "I feel very nice with him" and all these are mental, just mental satisfactions because you want to satisfy yourself. Because you do not want to feel that you have been befooled. All those people who want to have the real thing, really real thing, should face it up absolutely in complete truthfulness to yourself. Why do you want to cheat yourself? Because you are seekers. All such false people will go down into hell, no doubt, and they'll carry you also with them. So, be careful when I say that. I have openly told about them in 1970 by names, what these people are doing, and how they are attacking you. But nobody is willing to listen to Me. They want to be attacked, they want to be hypnotized, they want to do absurd things, which has no meaning. Everything that Divine does is absolutely logical but maybe not rational. For example, you will see a flower becomes a fruit. You see it with your own eyes. Then you know that the flower has become a fruit, isn't it? It's a living process, which has done this. But you cannot explain how it has happened. Neither you rationalize it that because of this, it has happened, because of this, this has happened. But it's logical that you see it yourself. If you are really truthful, then you have to give certificate to yourself. Nobody is going to give you certificate nor somebody is going to say, "Oh, you are the epitome of everything," nor somebody is going to say that you are condemned forever because as I said yesterday, the last judgment has started. Believe Me, it has started. And the judgment is going to take through the Kundalini awakening, through this residual force which exists within the triangular bone there. You can see with your naked eyes in some people, pulsating. It rises, and it pierces through the fontanel bone area where you can feel the cool breeze coming out. You can feel it, again I say, the cool breeze coming out of your being. You can feel the cool breeze coming towards you if I'm sitting here, or you can see it flowing out. Not only that, but after that, you can feel the different centers on your hands, on your fingers. You can feel the another person's centers, and you can feel your own centers. You can raise the Kundalini. You can see the Kundalini raising under your hand. You can give realization to people. You can cure them physically and emotionally. One may say, "Mother, how is it so easy? We have read about Kundalini. It's a very difficult thing." Or there are people who say like that. "And it's not possible. We know so much about Kundalini. How can that be so simple?" But supposing it is, then? There is some mystery about Me. Take it that way. Supposing you see a flower blooming into a - say fruit. Then it has happened. Then you are not going to deny that there is no living force? There must be something about Me that it is happening. I'm not willing to tell you now maybe that it is postponed for the time being. But one must understand that there is something that has happened. It has happened to so many. It must happen to me also. And if it happens, there is something about it. We have to squarely face this fact and not to be deluded by what I say, what I talk, what anybody has talked so far. As I said, you need not have blind faith for Me. But you should not also put a barrier for yourself. If this has to happen to you, let it happen. This is what is your second birth. It is like 'born again' as they say, as Christ has said. Human beings know how to make mess of things very well. They have messed up with everything, Christ, Mohammed, everyone. With Me also they tried. I went to America in 1970. Of course, you know that for truthful things there are very few people. At least they have not crucified Me so far, or they have not yet sort of come out of it, their all filth. But you know they like such places where there is a circus on. So there were some horrible gurus who were there, and they were doing all kinds of tricks. And people were running to them, and this, and that. And I was also there. And the gentlemen who arranged My program he said that, "Mother, people are coming with tape recorders, this, that. They are taping your speech, and you should really be careful about it." I said, "Why? It's all right. If they play My tape recorder, then message will be round that the time has started, the blossoming time has come. What is there to be afraid of?" They said, "No, but they will misuse. They'll write books." I said, "Let them write books. Let them do what they like. But the Kundalini has to be awakened according to Me. So that will come after all to reality. You may write anything. Ultimately you have to face the facts." And they said, "No, Mother, it's more than that." I said, "What is it?" They said, "They might use it for some other purposes. They'll make money out of it." I said, "Let them make money. Let them do what they like. I'm not bothered." But you know what happened? I went to Australia, and I met some people who called themselves 'born again'. I was surprised. And the one who is their leader has been attending my program, I know him too well. They have certified themselves 'we are born again', finished. And this one becomes the leader. There's another one I met in Japan who got his Realization. He started another organization of his own. It's all right. I don't mind as long as you give Realization. But his daughter never gave Realization, and so many people got trapped into that. I asked these people, If you are born again, what is so special about you? If you are born again, why do you not treat other people? Let me see. Do you raise the Kundalini? Can you give them Self-realization? Can you give them another birth? An egg cannot say he's a bird, can he say? Like eggs saying, "I'm the bird, I'm the bird," they are saying "born again, born again." The proof of the pudding is that they are not born again at all. All such false certificates are for whom? For whose conviction? You are your own judge. You have to judge yourself. And you have to be fair to yourself and to nobody else. You have to be kind to yourself that you are born on this earth to be born again and that you should get it. There is nothing else I ask you. Because within us all these things have been nicely planted without your awareness. All these seven centers you see are very nicely planted. They are there. And all the Deities of different characters, like innocence is the first deity, are there. When the Kundalini is awakened, She awakens the different deities. By awakening those deities, you get the reward of those deities. As I told you yesterday when It crosses this, you get Christ awakened. Of course, not this, it is inside on the crossroads of optic chiasma, you can say, which there is a center called as Agnya Chakra. And this center looks after your pituitary and pineal body. When the Kundalini rises, She enlightens all these centers. Christ is enlightened. And the ego and superego which create the idea of sin and the idea of karmas is sucked in - through Christ. It is said that He died for us, for our sins. It's a fact. But there was another gentleman yesterday here. He told Me that, "My guru says that I'm suffering because of my karmas." I said: "Then why do you have this guru? Why do you pay him? Better pickle him out. Let him suffer for his karmas also." He's suffering. Then I said, "Your guru has had three attacks. I know very well. And all his disciples get heart attacks. Or the children are crippled. I'm treating them, I know. I'm treating them. " And he says, "We are suffering our own karmas, but he takes a little. That's why he gets heart attack." I said, "How much?" He said, "One twentieth." I said, "Really very measured quantity?" Now his own child, I did not know, the wife was crying. She said, "Mother, give me Realization." And she said, "Mother can You come to my house for a short time?" I didn't understand why she was saying so. Then she said, "Because my child is suffering. She is crippled. And if You come to my house, You can cure." I said, "I have to go to somewhere now." She said, "All right. I'll come tomorrow." But I knew her husband won't bring her. He is so possessed. She said, "You promise you'll cure my child?" I said, "I promise. You bring." "Will You take her karmas upon yourself?" I said, "I'll take the karmas of all the world upon Myself. Come along." With all these assurances she was sure, I will do it. He did not allow her to come. She never came. How would you get possessed? Now why are you identified with anyone so much? You have to identify yourself with yourself.. And with no one else who has not done anything from you - only he has taken from you, asked from you to do this, and do that, and do this, and do that. They are forming cults, and groups, and things. By this you cannot get Realization. You cannot organize God. There cannot be an organization of God. Is there an organization of trees and leaves? Anything living is to be organized by God and not by human beings. Let us face it. Our ego does not allow us to understand that. And this is a living process. This is the evolutionary process within us, which works it out. And when it happens, the last, the epitome or your evolution you achieve. I would give you an analogy to understand it, which is a gross analogy. So don't take it too far as the thing is. You just try to understand. Like in a car, you have got a brake, and you have got an accelerator. In the same way within us say there are two powers. One is the left sided one, the brake, and the right sided one, which is the accelerator. He'll show you there. - And the other one. Now these two manifest outside, the sympathetic nervous system, the left and the right sympathetic nervous system within us. Now the third power is the power that evolves us. Like we can see that we are trying to learn driving. And there is a master sitting behind who is guiding us and teaching us how to drive the car, so by using these two powers, balancing it, understanding it, keeping the car in the centre. We don't drive car on one wheel, do we? We sit on four legs of a chair. Do we sit on two legs? We ourselves don't stand on one leg. We have two legs. We always go in a way that our gravity is in the center. But in our lifestyle we are extremist. If we start drinking, we'll become alcoholic. If you start anything what so ever, if you are a working person who is working, you become workaholic. Any sort of thing one starts, they go into extremes. So, one has to learn the handling of these two powers. Now the master is sitting and guiding you, up to a point, till you become human beings. The evolution comes up to that. Then the master gives you freedom to handle the car. He sits at the back, in the heart as the Spirit. All right, you drive the car. You start again, left and right, start using it, making mistakes, whatever it is. There is nothing important as long as you learn how to drive. Then you master your driving. Then you become the master. You become the Spirit. This is how it works out. Now somebody will say, "How much time will it take for me to learn the car?" The answer is, "As much as it will take." Can you say that exactly after three hours, three minutes, two seconds you'll become expert in car driving? Much more than that is the living process. You cannot say how much time it will take for a flower to become a fruit. And you cannot say how much time will it take for you to get your Realization. But the action is only of split of a second's duration, believe Me, not more than that. But there are obstructions on the way. And because of these obstructions it takes time. One has to guide it. Once you get it, and settle down with it, when you become the master of the car, you can handle other cars also very well. And you know how to do it. That's how a realized soul can give Realizations to others. One enlightened light can enlighten other people. It is as simple, straight forward, matter of fact, down to earth. In Sahaja Yoga, we deny nothing but untruth. All the saints, and all the prophets, and all the great advents are within us, placed on different centers. Not only that we have to respect them, but we have to know where are they placed, we have to know how to enlighten them. They are the milestones of our evolution. And whatever I say can be seen. For example, as I told you Christ is placed here. And if this center is caught up, you raise the Kundalini, you bring up to that point, and it won't rise. Then you have to say Lord's Prayer in the presence of a Sahaja Yogi, in the presence of a realized soul. Kundalini will rise. You will see that. We have done that. But Lord's Prayer is an expanded, I should say, is the statement of the bija mantra, is the seed mantra. The seed mantra of this charka is ham ksham, is the seed mantra in Sanskrit language. Because this whole system of Kundalini, which was a secret till the sixth century till Adi Shankaracharya came in, was told to people, and people know about it. Even Kabira has clearly written about the Ida, Pingala, Sushumna. Nanaka has written, all these people have written about it. In the Bible also, it is described that, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames". What are these 'tongues of flames'? Are nothing but centers. Then Christ has said, "Those who are not against Me are with Me." Who are those? He was born in such a horrible place that He had only four years of preach - hardly. Otherwise, there was struggle, struggle, struggle. And twelve fishermen who did not know how to write - you can imagine. I had six very well educated Englishmen for four years, and I was breaking My neck and theirs too to get their Kundalini up there. So you can imagine [laughing] the plight of Christ struggling with these twelve people for four years. Now, when He is no more, then everybody has become a Christian. To Me it's a surprise to see this, really. When He lived, when He was crucified, it's a different story altogether. You denied Him. Everybody denied Him. But the false are always accepted. But no more now. If you try to accept false people, you will suffer. You will even suffer physically. Mentally, you'll suffer no doubt. You feel very restless. But also physically you will suffer, and you'll have to come to the truth because God is anxious that you should get your Realization. You should enter into the Kingdom of God because you are the greatest creation of God. And if you don't enter into the Kingdom of God, He's not going to be happy. His creation will lose its meaning. You have to find your meaning which you will find. But be open-minded, and get it within yourself. As you will know the subject matter of Sahaja Yoga is very vast. And I must have given at least 400 lectures by now in Caxton Hall alone apart from everywhere that I have been traveling. And in this short time I can only cover few points here and there. There is a French man who has written a book about Sahaja Yog, but we do not release it to people who are not yet realized because the first state is of thoughtless awareness where you become thoughtlessly aware, but you can cure with that condition. Kundalini has to pierce. Of course, you start feeling it, nicely, but still you have to reach the state of doubtless awareness, which is called as Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Unless and until you reach that state, it's dangerous. So there are certain secrets of your own being are not to be divulged. Like Christ said, "I'm the path, I'm the light," or something, people crucified him. They could not bear that a human being could be like that. They could not bear it, too much for them, a carpenter's son? Till He got resurrected, His own disciples would not believe Him. So, certain things are told to you when you really master this art of Kundalini awakening, and then you will know much more. Still there are many lectures, which are taped and are there. But listening to them is not going to help you. By reading, it's not going to help you. You have to become, you have to become Realized. There is no organization of Sahaja Yoga. You cannot pay for it. You cannot become members, and think I'm a Sahaja Yogi. You cannot certify yourself. You cannot wear a particular dress and say that I belong to Mataji, nothing of the kind. I do not recognize anyone of them. Neither God will recognize those who just say that "I'm this and that." God does not recognize your clothes. He recognizes your being. And that's what is to be recognized by you also that you become that. Rise in your own glory, rise in your own reality and enjoy it. That's the most enjoyable thing for which God has made us an instrument. And let this instrument be put in connection with the mains. That's what has to happen. Is the easiest thing can happen, and has happened to so many, and should happen to you in this beautiful place Brighton. May God bless you! Yesterday I saw some people asked questions, and they're quite good and sensible but one was a foolish man, doesn't matter, forgive him. But if you have any questions you can ask Me. But not too many but sensible questions that will help others. And you must know that you are not the only person who has come here. There are so many who have come here from all over the places, and if you have any questions, you should know that it should help others, and not to disturb them, and trouble them. Just ask the question if you have any. [One seeker asks something] Shri Mataji: How do you proceed with...? [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: What did he say? Shri Mataji: Eternal hell? Now, why you are interested in hell, Mister? You said "hell" or what? [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: Ah... [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: Why do you want to talk of ugly things My child? You read William Blake. He is the best. Ah, So great. He has described complete Sahaja Yoga in His book Milton, complete. Even up to a point where we'll have our ashram Lambeth Vale, up to a point where I will come first and live Surrey Hills. Such details He has described. He's also described hell and the future of the people who are supposed to be very clever. It's tremendous. You read Him. In us it is there. It exists. But you are seekers. You should think of eternal life and not of hell. That you can get very easily. You can take two running jumps and go there. [laughing] [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: Who are...? [seeker says something] Shri Mataji: No. You cannot force. You have been given your own freedom. So far in evolution there was no freedom given to you. If you do not want, nobody can force it [unclear], very difficult. Even if there is a subtle denial, it's very difficult. Today I had a bad time with someone like that, I was trying to push someone up and the thing was falling on Me back again [laughing]. Oh. Of course, I'm your Mother. And as a Mother, I have tremendous patience, and love, and understanding, too much. In that love, I try to convince. I'm trying to persuade, to counsel in every way possible. Sometimes I go to a very great extent to make people understand. But ultimately you have to ask for it. They will all come. These are mediocres. Once they see you have crossed the ocean, they'll come. They want others to have it first. They are not the ones who will jump first to do it. They are mediocres. Don't you worry, lot's of them will be coming. Like one fish came out of the ocean then maybe about twelve followed, then many but later on shoals and shoals of them. In the same way it will happen. First of all you establish yourself within yourself. You become a good Sahaja Yogini. Your own life will transform others. Now we have somebody here who is a Jew. His life was completely transformed. He was a rebellion, he was this, that. He would not talk to people, sort of thing, a very nice honest man, very dynamic. And when he got transformed, his sisters, and his mother, and father who was very well versed in all Jew, this thing, literature - got Realization. They came to Sahaja Yoga, and this gentleman is now willing to write, I mean he wants to write something about Kabala, the relationship between Kabala and Kundalini, and we were discussing it. There is a gentleman from Algeria here whose story I told you yesterday, and there are so many Muslims. His own family, his father came to see Me, mother came to see Me. Actually his mother wanted to go to Mecca. So he said, "Why do you go to Mecca? Now Mecca is in London. Mataji is not in Mecca." England will be a Jerusalem. Remember that. I've come all the way from India to do that. Let's see how the English are going to behave towards it. The river Thames has to become the Ganges. This is the heart of the universe. England is the heart. But the English - very difficult. Six people, can you imagine, for four years? Once they get it, they are beautiful. They are the best young people in the whole world, no doubt, rather difficult to begin with. They're very sweet. Beautiful they are. Actually they are overgrown, I think. But when they find somebody much overgrown than them, then they are all right, over-read, scholarly, nice people. Takes time for intellectuals to understand this. This doesn't matter, it works out. They asked Me a question in your radio, "Which country you find the most difficult?" I didn't want what to say it. [laughing]. But the difficult ones are the best. Like I would say the diamond is the hardest stone, isn't it? But it's the most valuable. It's like that. Believe Me. I mean, since the last seven years, I've spent most of My time in England. Of course, I go to India, I've been to Australia. Australia has been very fast, very fast. They are simpler people. Americans are shifty. I'm going to America also. But it will circulate through you people, I can tell you, because still people think, British are wise, wise people. Let's see how it works out. But still I cannot force. Again, I will tell you whether you are British or anything. I cannot force you to get Realization [laughing]. That's one thing cannot be forced. Actually, you have to ask for it. This doesn't break. Sahasrara doesn't break, if you have not asked. This goes down, it doesn't break. You have to ask for it in all humility. That's very true. You don't have to pay anything, but you have to ask for it. You have to knock at the door. Door is the Christ. You have to pass through Him. But you have to knock at His door. He won't open the door unless until you knock. This is the door of entrance. Is all right? Is there any question? One more, if somebody have, please. Yes My child? [seeker says something] Shri Mataji [speaking aside]: What does he say? [Sahaja Yogi repeating the question of the seeker] Shri Mataji: Is a very good question because you are a seeker. There are no practices as I said. It's spontaneous. You see, now see this light is not enlightened, all right, but is ready. What practice do you do to enlighten this, nothing. Bring that light near, and it gets enlightened. It's like that. You'll get your Realization here just now. I tell you how to do it. Because these fingers that you have, have all these centers left and right, seven of them - five, six and seven. I mean you place your hands towards Me now because I'm here. Just like this. And close your eyes just close your eyes. And the Kundalini spontaneously rises. You don't have to do anything. But when you become realized, when this power start flowing through you, then you have to know how to maneuver it, how to raise it, how to keep it there. Like this one, we buy from the shop - all right? And then you put it to the mains, it starts working. But you have to know how to maintain it, how to manage it. That's the knowledge you have to know later on which is called as Kundalini Yoga, is a knowledge about Kundalini. But otherwise it is spontaneous, "sahaja," means "born with you." It's just like sprouting a seed when you put it into the mother earth. It is absolutely spontaneous. Everything that is living is spontaneous. So there are no practices as such before Realization. After Realization, you have to know how to maintain it. And we have a nice center here. You can find out. It is 31 College Road [speaking aside: Is it she staying there?] And also they have now started a little shop for people because that was a very good way of contacting people. I don't know the address of the shop or any of these places. There are many places here in Brighton. We have got Sahaja Yogis who are very good. They know all about Kundalini they are just like you to look at. They are very normal people. But they know about your chakras, they know about themselves, and they can tell you how to preserve this Realization. All the knowledge will be yours. Because now the light is within you, you can see also for yourself. And by practising it, you'll get it, you don't have to pay for it, nothing. So just know you have to just put your hands like this. But later on you must know that it is to be maintained, and that's a very, very important thing which people miss. Now put your hands like this, just like this. - And close your eyes. - As I said, you have to ask for it. You have to ask for your Realization. You have to ask for your Spirit. Let your Spirit come into your conscious mind. "Mother, give me my Self-Realization." You have to ask for it. You have to humble down. You should not be obstinate. One thing in Sahaja Yoga, those people who are obstinate or identified with something that is obstinate, it won't work out. The Kundalini will not stay there. You are obstinate with yourself. It's not going to help you. Don't be obstinate. After all you want your Self-Realization, isn't it. That's the most important thing. So don't be obstinate about anything. Just let it happen within you. Just let it happen within you. If you have been obstinate, how can the Kundalini rise? Put both the feet on the ground properly and sit absolutely relaxed. Now the first thing you feel is a thoughtless awareness within yourself. If you have anything in your neck, please take it out. I think it stops here. Anything in your neck, please take it out, doesn't help. These material things always catch, better take it out. It's better. It's better take it out, because your Self-Realization is more important than anything else, isn't it? Better take out anything that you have in your necks. Any jewellery or anything you have, please put it in your pockets. You see it has attachments, it has problem. Put it in your purse or put it somewhere. It helps you. If there is any girdle or anything round your neck, some people have girdles here? Make it loose a little. Because that way, Kundalini rises by itself no doubt, but if there is pressure on the spinal cord, physical pressure then it [Unclear] sometimes. Hah, now see, much better, much lighter on the Vishuddhi. It's very relaxing. First thing that will happen is relaxation. Now you have to ask for your Realization. It has reached the point, but it's not breaking through. Just ask for your Realization. Can you take the baby out? You see, people get diverted. Better now. Let your attention be loose. Don't put it concentrated on to any particular point, please. Keep it absolutely loose, please. Put both the hands like this, like this. You have to forgive, forgive others. Say it thrice from your heart, "I forgive anyone." Don't say it is difficult. Just say. "Mother, I forgive everyone." Even your horrible gurus just forgive them. It's all right. Forgive yourself first of all. Don't feel guilty. Forgive yourself. And forgive everyone, please. Say, "I forgive." Then, without feeling guilty, again I say without feeling guilty say that, "If I have done any mistakes, please forgive me." You have to... This is Lord's Prayer. Imagine Christian nations will catch the center of Agnya much more than anywhere else. Just imagine. Ask for forgiveness rise. That immediately say that, "Mother, I'm not guilty." Because this builds up. It's a very big fashion in the West to feel guilty for nothing at all. Say Mother, "I'm not guilty." Please say it again. Say it thrice. Just go on saying "I'm not guilty." Heat is coming out of you. So much guilt you have built. That's why the gentlemen was talking about eternal hell I believe. You are here to enjoy the heavens and not to go to hell. So don't feel guilty. Now you can put your right hand on your heart and left hand towards Me, and ask a question, please, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Ask the question, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Ask the question. Again, ask the question. Ask thrice, "Mother, am I the spirit?" Going on asking you'll find the cool breeze will flow into you, left hand, when you ask the question. Now put your right hand towards Me, and left hand on your stomach, and ask a question, "Mother, am I my own guru? Am I my own master?" This is to neutralize all gurus. Just say, "Am I my own master, Mother?" Ultimately, you are your own master. You are your own guru. Now put both the hands towards Me. Close your eyes and ask for realization, "Mother, give me my realization, and establish it. Say it thrice. Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini. Aham Sakshat Nirmalam, Sakshat Nirmalam, Shakshat Nirmalam. Aham Sakshat Adi Shakti, Aham Sakshat Adi Shakti, Aham Sakshat Adi Shakti, Aham Sakshat Adi Shakti. Aham Sakshat Kalki, Aham Sakshat Kalki, Aham Sakshat Kalki, Aham Sakshat Kalki. Aham Sakshat Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahsaraswati. Sakshat Mahakali, Mahsaraswati, Mahalakshmi, Sakshat Mahakali, Mahsaraswati, Mahalakshmi. Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshakt Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham Sakshat Moksha Dayini. Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Virata, Aham Sakshat Atma, Aham Sakshat Paramatma, Aham Sakshat Atma, Aham Sakshat Paramatma, Aham Sakshat Atma, Om Sakshat Paramatma, Aham Sakshat Atma, Aham Sakshat Paramatma. Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti, Aham Sakshat Brahma Shakti. Ask any absolute question if you have not [felt?] vibrations. Like you can ask question, "Is there God?" Ask thrice. Hmm, it's there. Are you feeling? Good. Those who are feeling the cool breeze please raise your hands, those who are feeling it. Those who are not feeling need not. Those who are really feeling please raise your, now, those who are feeling, Sahaja yogis also, please raise your hands. All of you. Good. All the Sahaja yogis should raise. Yeah. Who is she? Are you a Sahaja yogini? Are you taping Me there? You can't. I'm sorry. No, please. They are not allowed. Is she with you? Ah? [Someone speaking from the audience] Shri Mataji: Ah? It's all right. Is it? You see because these people now in the, in India have started a new thing that nobody else but a Sahaja yogi can tape, all right? [Someone speaking from the audience] Shri Mataji: It's... so she can't. You can have the tape. You have taped it? [Someone speaking from the audience] Shri Mataji: All right. I'm sorry you'll have to give the tape because under law we cannot. You see there is a sort of a thing they have passed, and they have told Me, "Mother we'll not allow anybody to tape." So, I have agreed. I'm sorry. Because there is a certain protocol about these tapes, and if it is not used with tapes, people suffer. So we would like only Sahaja yogis to tape it. We found out such things happening, and we don't want people to suffer for nothing at all. There is a protocol. Those who are not feeling cool breeze raise your hands. Raise your hands. Please.

7/12/1981

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Shri Krishna Puja: Increasing Collectivity

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Shri Krishna Puja. Increasing Collectivity, Gillian's House, 11 Vallance Road Hove (Brighton), UK, 12 July 1981. For attention, two centers, which is very important for Sahaja yogis and also as the situation is, one is of left Vishuddhi and one of heart itself. Just now when I was coming, I knew there were lots of left Vishuddhis everywhere and in the car also I felt the same thing. I did not know what to do. Because there were people who were thinking, "I wish we had done this and that," and I was just waiting for a chance to break it, you see. And then suddenly I got a chance and I made a fun of the whole thing. The combination between left Vishuddhi and joy is quite a lot. Left Vishuddhi is also of two types. One is where people do not feel guilty. Indians will never feel guilty. Seldom will you find an Indian feeling guilty. Seldom, that's not in their character. I mean they are adamantly not feeling guilty. Can you believe it! Even if they have done wrong, they will go on shamelessly. You'll tell them, then they will take another course. Then you tell them something, they will go in another course, but they will never change. They are very adamant, extremely adamant people. Only thing is if, somehow or other, you manage to break their adamant nature, then they will come around. Otherwise they go on. The another thing is the western left Vishuddhi. Whatever you may try, they will get into guilt. You make them laugh, you tickle them, you joke with them, make them feel nice, [but still] for small, small things they will start feeling guilty. I mean that's also another adamance! That, try to understand that what guilt can we have. Firstly as Indians are, they never commit mistakes. I mean, if you tell them anything, they would say, "Why do you blame me?" I mean, they'll never take a blame of anything upon themselves. Somehow or the other it is, maybe, because they have been slaves for three hundred years, this kind of a thing they have developed within themselves that, if you take the blame, you are punished. So best thing is never take the blame and never fall into that trap you see. It is a kind of a egotistical left Vishuddhi you can say, a type of. But the another one is incurable, because the first one cures itself. Anybody who is like that you say, now supposing you say that "you should not do this!" then the person will say, "All right I'll do something else." Then I will recede. I will do this. I will go away. I will do this. But they will never give up their habits. That's one type. Some of you have that kind. Very few but have. Now as we are here to improve ourselves and grow more, we have to understand how we do it. Not to find excuses. It's very easy to say, to say, "Oh my health is not good, I am not good for this, I am a bad person," All sorts of things. It's just finding faults with yourself. For what, I mean, the second type of left Vishuddhis are, just because that's only the way you can escape yourself. I mean, the net results of both the Vishuddhis is that you do not achieve anything. Isn't it? One person can say that "No I have done nothing wrong, you see I will go on like this," and that person will keep quiet, reserved, won't say anything, but will be fast there. Will not smile, laugh you see, lose collectivity. But what is the gain? I mean, you are not going to carry on with these frivolous things all your lives, are you? You have to go further, and where have you to go in the witness state? You must go to the witness state. Unless and until you witness the whole thing, you do not gain and how do you witness? By seeing the futility of these kinds of angularities you have got. Just witness the drama. Just witness yourself just as an actor. Just see these things are happening. All right. So, why should you worry about these things? You should love the other person. You should be in a loving mood and a happy and joyous mood. You should not worry as to what is going to happen to yourself or to others. Witness the whole play as a detached person. You go on witnessing it and the way it develops, you will be a very lovable person having collectively. Of course this witness state can be also hampered by some people who are egoistical. We have in Sahaja yoga some 3-4 people who will remain egoistical whatever I may try, I think now. See, they are very difficult people. They are unpopular. No one likes them, sort of people. They don't understand that collectivity is important. They'll find faults with everybody but not with themselves. They go on like that. Sometimes they improve a little, again they go down. But, we have to witness all of them. It never justifies your behavior. Supposing somebody is like that, take an X Y Z is like that, is difficult, he doesn't have collectivity. Say, the position is like that, you see. So now what should be your attitude? Should you get affected by that. Not at all. If you are a witness. Should you get enamoured by that or caught by that or become like that? Not at all, because you are a collective being. What is the third thing you can do? Can you tell me? With such a difficult person, what will you do with such a person? What should we do with such a person? If there is a difficult person with us, there are some people who hate. They hate such a person if he is there, we cannot perfect, we are not supposed to perfect. Are we perfect? Then what should we do? Sahaja Yogi: We should love him even more. Shri Mataji: Yes, that's true we should love, but sometimes he may misunderstand your love. Not only that but he might become more sort of aggressive because he takes your love for granted. What should the Sahaja yogis do? Sahaja Yogis: Shoe beat. Shri Mataji - Yes that's one of them. It's very simple, very close to you, which you forget. Sahaja Yogis : Work on him. Shri Mataji: What..... Alright. But still simpler. What is it? Sahaja Yogi: Put him in bandhan. Shri Mataji: That's it, but even simpler than that. Sahaja Yogi: Ignore him. Shri Mataji: That's your human style, not Sahaja yogi style ... Ray Harris: Tell him your not going to stand for his nonsense. Shri Mataji: That's again human, everybody does that ... What is the speciality of Sahaja yogis? Now, Gavin is using his brain. Shri Mataji laughs and says... "Use your heart." Linda: "Pray to You that everything will be all right." Shri Mataji: "That's it, that's it," she said it. "Leave it to Me," she said it. That's how Linda has achieved, so much. Leave it to Me. If you believe in Me, then don't worry, leave it to Me what ever I say, whatever I say, how to treat that person, just listen to Me. Leave to Me. If I am available you can tell Me, but leave to Me . I know everything, just leave it to Me, and it can be worked out. As simple as that. Sahaja yoga is very simple made easy, absolutely made easy, but still we trust ourselves more, isn't it, than the Divine. That's what everybody else does, but for Sahaja yogis it is important that [they] leave it to Me. I know how to manage. I know how to punish and also I know how to save and I know how to love. So leave it to Me. You may write a letter to Me also which I may never read. Doesn't matter, you may pray, that's the best way. Things work out better. Where is Peter (Pearce)? Has he come?" Linda Pearce: "I am afraid, Mother, I forgot betel leaves; he has gone to get them from Pam's house." Shri Mataji: "He's gone to Pam's house (Pamela Bromley), alright, it's alright. Forget it! If there are no betel leaves it doesn't matter. There are so many other leaves here which can be used. In India it's all right, betel leaves. Why in England? Maple are the best. I love the Maple. You have Maple here? This here. You get these are beautiful ones. Aren't they? I love them. Your Maple trees are beautiful." So, now, how do we make ourselves all right with this guilt business? Feeling guilt. First of all, let us see the people that's the main problem, I think is of feeling guilty. When you start witnessing yourself, you'll start seeing how your mind becomes subtler and subtler, as far as the guilt is concerned. First it will start guilt. "Oh I should have not said this to someone," or all that starts. By that actually the another person does not know also, that you have said something harsh. But you just think that, "Oh, I should not have said this or said that," and you create a barrier. So if you witness that this is my mind which is playing a trick on me and just trying to cut me off from that person. Many relations break only because of feeling guilty about things. If you could get over this understanding that never keep anything in the mind about a person, no reservations then you will be surprised there won't be any guilt in your mind. All the time your mind is pouring these ideas into your head. You [should] go on denying them. They'll become subtler and subtler. It will work to this limit like, "Oh I should not have done this to Mother." It comes to that point. The other way of the thing, you see, praying to Mother and feeling guilty about it. "Ah I should not have put my feet towards Her. Oh God! I have taken Her shawl, I should not have done this, I should have done that," these things are not child like. You have to be child like, innocent. Nothing is important. Nothing is [more] important than your love. I mean, you are not doing it deliberately. If something is done by mistake, you should not feel bad. For example, I told Pamela [Bromley] at a very subtler level, that she can use my bed after 3 days. I mean, she had been using the next day. All these years, nothing happened. But I am supposed to tell her this because there are Ganas who are waiting there and they may harm you. But Indians, if they do this, then they are really harmed immediately. Like Mrs. Pradhan she was thrown out of her bed thrice. She did not know what was happening. She was fast asleep she was thrown out. Then she got up and got onto the bed. Again she was thrown out. Then third time she was again on the ground. I said, "What is happening here?" She said, "I don't know. Somebody is throwing me out." I said, "Oh God, that was My bed, you slept in My bed. I am sorry." I said, "Now you come and sleep here. Then she said now I am not going to sleep on that bed Mother, because you have slept on that so I am going to sleep on the ground. But they know. Indians know these things. They understand the auspiciousness and when they cross it, they are more punished than you people are. Very badly punished. Because you are innocent. You do not know about it. But I have to tell you that you do it like this. Now if something has happened, then If I say, "Oh you should have done it," then immediately the guilt falls on you. So normally I take proper care to tell you before it starts. So that at least it doesn't have the after effects because I don't want that you should unnecessarily bother about useless things. These things become important when you have the knowledge of it. This is what is so great about Divine. You see supposing you put hand in the flame, you will burn, isn't it? But after getting realization it's just the other way round. If you commit mistakes and you do not know about it, then you are not harmed. But knowingly if you do something, if you know and you forget then you may be harmed. Thus you will realize that there is a Divine hand which is guiding you and looking after you. Unless and until you learn how to witness the thing, you can never enjoy life. So your witness state must be improved. Now what goes against witness state, in the west? We'll see the western point of view. The first of them is that we have not heard of Krishna very much before. I mean many people never must have known about Him. So we are more identified with Christ. There cannot be like that. In Sahaja Yoga you have to be identified equally with everything. You cannot be identified with your eyes more than your nose. Can we? I mean we need both of them, we can't do away with any one of them. It's like that. So, everybody is equally important and harmonizing and they are just one. They are a unity. We cannot understand that unity because we are not perfect ourselves and we have never seen such unity in life. I mean no two persons in this world, that I have seen so far, who are that united as all these persons are united within themselves. So, if such a unity is existing between them, if you try to dis-unite them, they themselves get angry. They don't like it. It's like if you try to pull your hair the head doesn't like it, the body doesn't like it, no one likes it. In the same way they don't like it at all, and both of them get angry. You must understand them in their right perspective. In the West people have not realized much about Krishna, nor do they respect Him as much as they respect Christ . But Christ doesn't like it. That's why you catch on Angya. The combination fits in, and also Vishuddhi is catching .Vishuddhi/Angya catch is the worse thing I feel sometimes, because in between these two lies the Heart. You can imagine what a granthi it would be in the heart. So you have to develop that love for Krishna, and understanding about Him. Anybody, anything says against Krishna, they are saying against me. I know for definite, it is Me only. But anything anybody says anything against Mohammad, I will stand up and I will really be angry and furious . If they say against me, as I am today I may not so much because they don't know about the other person. So you have to understand that you have to be united. Now those who have been Hare Krishna people, they don't want to hear about Christ. Their Guru has told them, "Don't worry about Christ." So they don't want to hear about Christ. There's another type who do not want to hear about Mohammad, but Sahaja Yogis must know that we must develop the proper understanding of Krishna, if you have to have this. Now you must know that He is the Primordial being. He's the one who is the whole. You have to become one with Him. He is the complete awareness, the Chitta, complete. Now we have to become one with Him. So first of all collectivity has to be developed. Another reason why Christian nations are ego oriented, is because they have no sense of collectivity within themselves. They are very individualistic, you see. They must have their own bathrooms, their rooms painted. I am told that the Warwick road people are very busy painting their rooms and things. I mean, "This is my daughter, this is my sister, this is my wife, this is my husband, my my my my my my," goes on morning till evening. There's no sharing at all. Collectivity is very poor. They can't understand that we can share everything with each other. And when it comes to sharing with such people it happens that they spoil. For example, you call people or you give them something that belongs to another person - they will spoil it. On the contrary those who are people who are collective, when they go to somebody's house, or if they have somebody else's things, they'll be more careful about them than their own. Like Patricia has been asking that, "Mother, you come and stay in my house because you want to shift from Your house, will be a good idea." When my grandchildren were here, we didn't want to go there, because they may spoil her house. Then I will now, you see, sort of, there's a hesitation, thinking that we should not spoil her house. I mean if we are living in this house, we are spoiling it already. But we don't want to spoil that house. You see this kind of a feeling should be with you that, by going to somebody's house you should not spoil [it]. But if you go there, for example, now we are in say Pamela's house. Do we understand how should we live in that house? I've already seen 3-4 things broken there. Why? Because you have no collectivity, the understanding that we should not look after our things. You see, we look after our things more and then we don't look after other's things. I tell you if you start giving up looking after your own things, you will start looking after other's things. If you have to grow in, grow in Sahaja yoga, first thing is we must grow in collectivity. We are worried more about our feelings. If somebody says something to us, we will go and beat that person, but we don't mind about the feelings of others, then collectivity is less. And this is one of the drawbacks. I think the ego developed in this country more, much more because there was no existence of Krishna felt at that time. If people had felt his existence, they would never have gone that far, because they should know that we are part and parcel of the whole and we have our own limitations. We cannot go beyond that. He is there, we have to achieve that. Why because Indians were not conscious of Christ. They went on with their Karma theories, that those who are suffering have to suffer and those who have to do this like that, they said that, 'Yes, those who are born Brahmins,' they thought that 'Oh we are higher people and these people have to suffer.' In any way both are monster ego. So we have to understand we are Sahaja yogis. We are people responsible for changing the whole world, transforming the whole world into a beautiful place. So we have to change ourselves. We should not find any excuses. We should decide that whatever may happen, we are going to change ourselves, ourselves and not others. Even if that person is your brother, sister, wife, husband - you should change, not the other person. If you start changing, you will set in motion this thing. While many people just don't want to change, just don't want to change, they go about with it. Every time you talk to them, they are like that. What are you doing about it? You have to work it out. So for Vishuddhi, I would say that you should see the collectivity of Shri Krishna. He married 16,000 women. Now people might say "Oh God that's too much!" And He had 5 queens, you see. Actually these 16,000 women are nothing but his 16,000 powers. Now he could not have Sahaja Yogis as His children you see. He was very young, so He thought of this trick that let His powers be born as women and He will have them as wives and it was all a big drama. And the 5 queens are the 5 elements who incarnated. Just to use these 5 elements, He had them as His queens. It's a story, a very secretive story and one has to understand in that line. So His collectivity was so great. Narada was the one who used to create problems you see. He went and he told, he went and told, one of the wives that, "Oh this Krishna, He does not love you, He only loves Radha. You are under wrong ideas, that He loves you. He just loves Radha. He does not love anyone. She's the one He really cares for." So they got jealous, and they went and told Shri Krishna that see we think that you only love Radha and your just be befooling us. And we are not going to be your wives anymore the way You are. In your heart of hearts You love Radha." So He said, "Who told you that?" They said Narada. He said "Alright. I know this Narada!". So Narada came to see Shri Krishna and Narada, then heard a great scream from Shri Krishna. Narada said, "What has happened." He said, "Oh a terrible pain in my stomach, oh no terrible pain. I just can't get over it." So Narada got a fright and he said, "Now what should we do? You better tell us the medicine." He said if you can give the dust of your feet for Me to drink, I'll be all right. See the tricks of the witness. So he said, "Oh God!" Narada said, "I can't give because I know He's the Primordial being. I can't give the dust of my feet for Him to drink, that would be such a bad thing to do and I will have all the sins of the world upon myself. I am not going to do." He said, "I am not doing!" He said anybody, anybody who thinks is my bhakta can do it, and you can ask my wives, that's a better idea. So Narada went round. He said "Oh He is in terrible pain, why don't you give the dust of your feet?" She said, "No, Nothing doing. You see as it is He doesn't love us, in His heart is only Radha and He wants us to give the dust of our feet, we are not mad. We will have no punyas, we will have no good deeds for us and what's going to happen"? So, Shri Krishna said, "If you cannot give me, then what am I to do now? I have got terrible pain. And somebody has to do it." So Narada said, "What do you suggest yourself?" He said "You go and ask Radha, she's the only person left now." So he went to Gokul, and Vrindaban, that area has got the dust of yellow color like pollen, the color of a pollen. And he went and told that "He's got a pain in the stomach, and now what to do?" She said "What did he say?" He said "If give the dust of your feet, He will all right." She said "Take it, take it, take it. Just now you take it!" He said "Aren't you worried?" She said "About what? He's the Primordial being! You give Him your dust. What will happen?" She didn't feel guilty. She just said "It's all right take it out." And he scraped some of the dust. He said, "Aren't you worried, you'll be losing completely in your punyas and all that." She said, "Oh, don't you worry." And she said, "He is the One who makes me do all the sins and He's the One who makes me love others, and He does everything. I'm not bothered it is his lookout. If He has asked for it, better take it." So he went to Krishna. The beauty of the story is here. He went to Sri Krishna and told him that she has given the thing. He said "Bring it bring it!" and He drank. And he said But I was surprised at her answer that it is You who do all kinds of sins and this and that. And you are the One who makes her to love others and what ever He does is [UNCLEAR], She's not bothered about it. She's not worried about paapas and punyas, she's not worried about sin and good deeds. She said its He who does everything , I have nothing to bother, let Him do what He likes. If He wants it I'll give. I'm surprised she is not bothered. So Sri Krishna said, "All right, you just watch just now. Watch my heart. And Sri Krishna opened His heart and in the heart was Radha sitting. It was a lotus and the lotus had the pollen and Her feet were touching that pollen. If Her feet are touching that pollen there then what is the punyas and what are the apunyas? If Her feet are in His heart then what is to decide. See the beauty. The poetry of the divine is so beautiful, it's so beautiful, if you understand the poetry, then you will never feel guilty. You are unnecessarily taking out thorns out of flowers. The beauty is so much, it's so beautiful it is, the whole thing is so poetic that, to understand that poetry, you have to cut down all these ideas of cursing yourself and saying bad things to yourself. Leave everything to the Divine, in full understanding and in full love. You don't need much imagination for that. Its just when you go to your heart, and see for yourself how much you have got. Just think. When you think of your guilt, you should think: where were you? What was you condition? Did you ever expect that you will get self-realization sitting down in London watching Thames Television? And you got it, just think of the blessing and the grace, and forget about feeling guilty, just be joyous and happy, and smile at yourself. There should be a giggle all the time behind the lips. When these things will happen to you, then you start feeling the joy within you. And that joy should be felt, it's just a play of the Divine which is to be seen as a play and not as something serious and a horrible thing which makes you guilty. Now, no more you are going to feel guilty, but if you are doing something wrong, against Sahaja Yoga, by which you are bringing bad name to Sahaja Yoga, then you must immediately correct. Such people will be definitely punished whether they feel guilty or not. There's not doubt about it. But if you are loosing in collectivity, you better improve. There are many people like that. First thing they'll say, "I was never told, I did not know. He should tell me." Some people will never tell, you see this is the same style of people. Why not be open? Just open. You see flowers, they are only always on top of the tree. Do they hide themselves under the some roots and things? Only the creepers, horrible ones, like snakes and worms and all these things, they hide. Why do they hide? Because they can't face the beauty of sun. They can't face the beauty of collectivity. So they hide and these scorpions they hide. Why should you hide anything from each other? Be open. Talk to each other openly, without any reservations. I mean small things like people used to first grudge, "Mother she has taken away my soap!" And I would used to say, "Oh God look at these people!" "Oh I can't use that soap!" You see. Perhaps you have not noticed, I have been using your common soap there throughout. I deliberately did not use My soap. I left My soap down there so that you can use it for a different purpose. I play like this all the time with you. But you have to also start playing with Me, otherwise you will not be in the game. You will be left out, you will never enjoy, and not only that you'll be misfits, but like the way the other fellow has asked Me that "How do you go to eternal hell?" I answered him very simply, I said "You can take two running jumps and go there!" Imagine the fellow doing that! It's like that. So this is how we create our heavens and our hell. Sahaja Yoga is not for people who want to go to hell. It's very easy. But to deny Sahaja Yoga and to defy it after coming to it, and not to accept the verdict of Sahaja Yoga and to displease the deities is the worst thing one can do. Either you don't come, if you come, you have to obey and understand that these are the laws which are eternal and you cannot surpass them. You accept them, then you enjoy. What's the use of denying them? If you do not accept them you cannot enjoy yourself and you will create a hell for yourself and for others. So today I say that let us open our heart. Just like the flowers, we have to come up the tree. Let us compete in giving more, being nice to others instead of criticizing. And sometimes people come and tell me, "Oh he did like this." I don't like it much. Unless and until it's fundamentally something wrong, you should not, and I know how many people can carry on with others. That's very important. So the collectivity must be brought in but your character itself should be such that people should say "oh she is very sweet" or "He's very nice and is nice to everyone." Then also they should say not only that but "They are ideal, the way they behave". Especially husband and wives, I have seen that some of them are very much appreciated, some of them are neutral type and some of them are condemned. When you are married before Me, its your moral responsibility to see that you really create a good relationship and do not hate each other. One should not judge by other norms like you see, "He didn't bring me a sari" or "He didn't bring me a frock" or something like that. But we have to be ideals. I have seen either they are dominated or they do not want to get dominated or they dominate. There are only three categories. Wise are those who get over this category and make a beautiful thing out of it. That's a challenging point. And all such people who can take up the challenge have been married. If they fail, I don't think anybody will marry again, most of them may remain bachelors or spinsters or what you call them. So it's not good. Those who are married have a great responsibility to be sensible, not dominating at all by any chance. Nobody has business to say "Don't do that!" Nobody! After Sahaja Yoga. Before Sahaja Yoga it's all right, after you're not to say, "Don't". And you don't have to be also off-handed by doing everything that you want to do yourself. Both things are wrong. There should be combination and understanding. I think the married people have much greater responsibility than the unmarried in Sahaja Yoga. Then the mothers and the parents are also very responsible people. They have to guide others how they have to live with each other. The norms have to change; it's not how much you are educated, and what you know and efficiency. That's not important in Sahaja Yoga at all. How much you earn, all this is not important. What is important is how you deal with each other and enjoy each other. How much capacity you have got to enjoy each other. And that's the way you really transform yourself into a beautiful joyous personality and others too. I hope the rain would stop and we'll have our Puja now. So May God bless you, enjoy every bit of it, enjoy every bit of it.

Shri Krishna Puja. Increasing Collectivity, Gillian's House, 11 Vallance Road Hove (Brighton), UK, 12 July 1981. For attention, two centers, which is very important for Sahaja yogis and also as the situation is, one is of left Vishuddhi and one of heart itself. Just now when I was coming, I knew there were lots of left Vishuddhis everywhere and in the car also I felt the same thing. I did not know what to do. Because there were people who were thinking, "I wish we had done this and that," and I was just waiting for a chance to break it, you see. And then suddenly I got a chance and I made a fun of the whole thing. The combination between left Vishuddhi and joy is quite a lot. Left Vishuddhi is also of two types. One is where people do not feel guilty. Indians will never feel guilty. Seldom will you find an Indian feeling guilty. Seldom, that's not in their character. I mean they are adamantly not feeling guilty. Can you believe it! Even if they have done wrong, they will go on shamelessly. You'll tell them, then they will take another course. Then you tell them something, they will go in another course, but they will never change. They are very adamant, extremely adamant people. Only thing is if, somehow or other, you manage to break their adamant nature, then they will come around. Otherwise they go on. The another thing is the western left Vishuddhi. Whatever you may try, they will get into guilt. You make them laugh, you tickle them, you joke with them, make them feel nice, [but still] for small, small things they will start feeling guilty. I mean that's also another adamance! That, try to understand that what guilt can we have. Firstly as Indians are, they never commit mistakes. I mean, if you tell them anything, they would say, "Why do you blame me?" I mean, they'll never take a blame of anything upon themselves. Somehow or the other it is, maybe, because they have been slaves for three hundred years, this kind of a thing they have developed within themselves that, if you take the blame, you are punished. So best thing is never take the blame and never fall into that trap you see. It is a kind of a egotistical left Vishuddhi you can say, a type of. But the another one is incurable, because the first one cures itself. Anybody who is like that you say, now supposing you say that "you should not do this!" then the person will say, "All right I'll do something else." Then I will recede. I will do this. I will go away. I will do this. But they will never give up their habits. That's one type. Some of you have that kind. Very few but have. Now as we are here to improve ourselves and grow more, we have to understand how we do it. Not to find excuses. It's very easy to say, to say, "Oh my health is not good, I am not good for this, I am a bad person," All sorts of things. It's just finding faults with yourself. For what, I mean, the second type of left Vishuddhis are, just because that's only the way you can escape yourself. I mean, the net results of both the Vishuddhis is that you do not achieve anything. Isn't it? One person can say that "No I have done nothing wrong, you see I will go on like this," and that person will keep quiet, reserved, won't say anything, but will be fast there. Will not smile, laugh you see, lose collectivity. But what is the gain? I mean, you are not going to carry on with these frivolous things all your lives, are you? You have to go further, and where have you to go in the witness state? You must go to the witness state. Unless and until you witness the whole thing, you do not gain and how do you witness? By seeing the futility of these kinds of angularities you have got. Just witness the drama. Just witness yourself just as an actor. Just see these things are happening. All right. So, why should you worry about these things? You should love the other person. You should be in a loving mood and a happy and joyous mood. You should not worry as to what is going to happen to yourself or to others. Witness the whole play as a detached person. You go on witnessing it and the way it develops, you will be a very lovable person having collectively. Of course this witness state can be also hampered by some people who are egoistical. We have in Sahaja yoga some 3-4 people who will remain egoistical whatever I may try, I think now. See, they are very difficult people. They are unpopular. No one likes them, sort of people. They don't understand that collectivity is important. They'll find faults with everybody but not with themselves. They go on like that. Sometimes they improve a little, again they go down. But, we have to witness all of them. It never justifies your behavior. Supposing somebody is like that, take an X Y Z is like that, is difficult, he doesn't have collectivity. Say, the position is like that, you see. So now what should be your attitude? Should you get affected by that. Not at all. If you are a witness. Should you get enamoured by that or caught by that or become like that? Not at all, because you are a collective being. What is the third thing you can do? Can you tell me? With such a difficult person, what will you do with such a person? What should we do with such a person? If there is a difficult person with us, there are some people who hate. They hate such a person if he is there, we cannot perfect, we are not supposed to perfect. Are we perfect? Then what should we do? Sahaja Yogi: We should love him even more. Shri Mataji: Yes, that's true we should love, but sometimes he may misunderstand your love. Not only that but he might become more sort of aggressive because he takes your love for granted. What should the Sahaja yogis do? Sahaja Yogis: Shoe beat. Shri Mataji - Yes that's one of them. It's very simple, very close to you, which you forget. Sahaja Yogis : Work on him. Shri Mataji: What..... Alright. But still simpler. What is it? Sahaja Yogi: Put him in bandhan. Shri Mataji: That's it, but even simpler than that. Sahaja Yogi: Ignore him. Shri Mataji: That's your human style, not Sahaja yogi style ... Ray Harris: Tell him your not going to stand for his nonsense. Shri Mataji: That's again human, everybody does that ... What is the speciality of Sahaja yogis? Now, Gavin is using his brain. Shri Mataji laughs and says... "Use your heart." Linda: "Pray to You that everything will be all right." Shri Mataji: "That's it, that's it," she said it. "Leave it to Me," she said it. That's how Linda has achieved, so much. Leave it to Me. If you believe in Me, then don't worry, leave it to Me what ever I say, whatever I say, how to treat that person, just listen to Me. Leave to Me. If I am available you can tell Me, but leave to Me . I know everything, just leave it to Me, and it can be worked out. As simple as that. Sahaja yoga is very simple made easy, absolutely made easy, but still we trust ourselves more, isn't it, than the Divine. That's what everybody else does, but for Sahaja yogis it is important that [they] leave it to Me. I know how to manage. I know how to punish and also I know how to save and I know how to love. So leave it to Me. You may write a letter to Me also which I may never read. Doesn't matter, you may pray, that's the best way. Things work out better. Where is Peter (Pearce)? Has he come?" Linda Pearce: "I am afraid, Mother, I forgot betel leaves; he has gone to get them from Pam's house." Shri Mataji: "He's gone to Pam's house (Pamela Bromley), alright, it's alright. Forget it! If there are no betel leaves it doesn't matter. There are so many other leaves here which can be used. In India it's all right, betel leaves. Why in England? Maple are the best. I love the Maple. You have Maple here? This here. You get these are beautiful ones. Aren't they? I love them. Your Maple trees are beautiful." So, now, how do we make ourselves all right with this guilt business? Feeling guilt. First of all, let us see the people that's the main problem, I think is of feeling guilty. When you start witnessing yourself, you'll start seeing how your mind becomes subtler and subtler, as far as the guilt is concerned. First it will start guilt. "Oh I should have not said this to someone," or all that starts. By that actually the another person does not know also, that you have said something harsh. But you just think that, "Oh, I should not have said this or said that," and you create a barrier. So if you witness that this is my mind which is playing a trick on me and just trying to cut me off from that person. Many relations break only because of feeling guilty about things. If you could get over this understanding that never keep anything in the mind about a person, no reservations then you will be surprised there won't be any guilt in your mind. All the time your mind is pouring these ideas into your head. You [should] go on denying them. They'll become subtler and subtler. It will work to this limit like, "Oh I should not have done this to Mother." It comes to that point. The other way of the thing, you see, praying to Mother and feeling guilty about it. "Ah I should not have put my feet towards Her. Oh God! I have taken Her shawl, I should not have done this, I should have done that," these things are not child like. You have to be child like, innocent. Nothing is important. Nothing is [more] important than your love. I mean, you are not doing it deliberately. If something is done by mistake, you should not feel bad. For example, I told Pamela [Bromley] at a very subtler level, that she can use my bed after 3 days. I mean, she had been using the next day. All these years, nothing happened. But I am supposed to tell her this because there are Ganas who are waiting there and they may harm you. But Indians, if they do this, then they are really harmed immediately. Like Mrs. Pradhan she was thrown out of her bed thrice. She did not know what was happening. She was fast asleep she was thrown out. Then she got up and got onto the bed. Again she was thrown out. Then third time she was again on the ground. I said, "What is happening here?" She said, "I don't know. Somebody is throwing me out." I said, "Oh God, that was My bed, you slept in My bed. I am sorry." I said, "Now you come and sleep here. Then she said now I am not going to sleep on that bed Mother, because you have slept on that so I am going to sleep on the ground. But they know. Indians know these things. They understand the auspiciousness and when they cross it, they are more punished than you people are. Very badly punished. Because you are innocent. You do not know about it. But I have to tell you that you do it like this. Now if something has happened, then If I say, "Oh you should have done it," then immediately the guilt falls on you. So normally I take proper care to tell you before it starts. So that at least it doesn't have the after effects because I don't want that you should unnecessarily bother about useless things. These things become important when you have the knowledge of it. This is what is so great about Divine. You see supposing you put hand in the flame, you will burn, isn't it? But after getting realization it's just the other way round. If you commit mistakes and you do not know about it, then you are not harmed. But knowingly if you do something, if you know and you forget then you may be harmed. Thus you will realize that there is a Divine hand which is guiding you and looking after you. Unless and until you learn how to witness the thing, you can never enjoy life. So your witness state must be improved. Now what goes against witness state, in the west? We'll see the western point of view. The first of them is that we have not heard of Krishna very much before. I mean many people never must have known about Him. So we are more identified with Christ. There cannot be like that. In Sahaja Yoga you have to be identified equally with everything. You cannot be identified with your eyes more than your nose. Can we? I mean we need both of them, we can't do away with any one of them. It's like that. So, everybody is equally important and harmonizing and they are just one. They are a unity. We cannot understand that unity because we are not perfect ourselves and we have never seen such unity in life. I mean no two persons in this world, that I have seen so far, who are that united as all these persons are united within themselves. So, if such a unity is existing between them, if you try to dis-unite them, they themselves get angry. They don't like it. It's like if you try to pull your hair the head doesn't like it, the body doesn't like it, no one likes it. In the same way they don't like it at all, and both of them get angry. You must understand them in their right perspective. In the West people have not realized much about Krishna, nor do they respect Him as much as they respect Christ . But Christ doesn't like it. That's why you catch on Angya. The combination fits in, and also Vishuddhi is catching .Vishuddhi/Angya catch is the worse thing I feel sometimes, because in between these two lies the Heart. You can imagine what a granthi it would be in the heart. So you have to develop that love for Krishna, and understanding about Him. Anybody, anything says against Krishna, they are saying against me. I know for definite, it is Me only. But anything anybody says anything against Mohammad, I will stand up and I will really be angry and furious . If they say against me, as I am today I may not so much because they don't know about the other person. So you have to understand that you have to be united. Now those who have been Hare Krishna people, they don't want to hear about Christ. Their Guru has told them, "Don't worry about Christ." So they don't want to hear about Christ. There's another type who do not want to hear about Mohammad, but Sahaja Yogis must know that we must develop the proper understanding of Krishna, if you have to have this. Now you must know that He is the Primordial being. He's the one who is the whole. You have to become one with Him. He is the complete awareness, the Chitta, complete. Now we have to become one with Him. So first of all collectivity has to be developed. Another reason why Christian nations are ego oriented, is because they have no sense of collectivity within themselves. They are very individualistic, you see. They must have their own bathrooms, their rooms painted. I am told that the Warwick road people are very busy painting their rooms and things. I mean, "This is my daughter, this is my sister, this is my wife, this is my husband, my my my my my my," goes on morning till evening. There's no sharing at all. Collectivity is very poor. They can't understand that we can share everything with each other. And when it comes to sharing with such people it happens that they spoil. For example, you call people or you give them something that belongs to another person - they will spoil it. On the contrary those who are people who are collective, when they go to somebody's house, or if they have somebody else's things, they'll be more careful about them than their own. Like Patricia has been asking that, "Mother, you come and stay in my house because you want to shift from Your house, will be a good idea." When my grandchildren were here, we didn't want to go there, because they may spoil her house. Then I will now, you see, sort of, there's a hesitation, thinking that we should not spoil her house. I mean if we are living in this house, we are spoiling it already. But we don't want to spoil that house. You see this kind of a feeling should be with you that, by going to somebody's house you should not spoil [it]. But if you go there, for example, now we are in say Pamela's house. Do we understand how should we live in that house? I've already seen 3-4 things broken there. Why? Because you have no collectivity, the understanding that we should not look after our things. You see, we look after our things more and then we don't look after other's things. I tell you if you start giving up looking after your own things, you will start looking after other's things. If you have to grow in, grow in Sahaja yoga, first thing is we must grow in collectivity. We are worried more about our feelings. If somebody says something to us, we will go and beat that person, but we don't mind about the feelings of others, then collectivity is less. And this is one of the drawbacks. I think the ego developed in this country more, much more because there was no existence of Krishna felt at that time. If people had felt his existence, they would never have gone that far, because they should know that we are part and parcel of the whole and we have our own limitations. We cannot go beyond that. He is there, we have to achieve that. Why because Indians were not conscious of Christ. They went on with their Karma theories, that those who are suffering have to suffer and those who have to do this like that, they said that, 'Yes, those who are born Brahmins,' they thought that 'Oh we are higher people and these people have to suffer.' In any way both are monster ego. So we have to understand we are Sahaja yogis. We are people responsible for changing the whole world, transforming the whole world into a beautiful place. So we have to change ourselves. We should not find any excuses. We should decide that whatever may happen, we are going to change ourselves, ourselves and not others. Even if that person is your brother, sister, wife, husband - you should change, not the other person. If you start changing, you will set in motion this thing. While many people just don't want to change, just don't want to change, they go about with it. Every time you talk to them, they are like that. What are you doing about it? You have to work it out. So for Vishuddhi, I would say that you should see the collectivity of Shri Krishna. He married 16,000 women. Now people might say "Oh God that's too much!" And He had 5 queens, you see. Actually these 16,000 women are nothing but his 16,000 powers. Now he could not have Sahaja Yogis as His children you see. He was very young, so He thought of this trick that let His powers be born as women and He will have them as wives and it was all a big drama. And the 5 queens are the 5 elements who incarnated. Just to use these 5 elements, He had them as His queens. It's a story, a very secretive story and one has to understand in that line. So His collectivity was so great. Narada was the one who used to create problems you see. He went and he told, he went and told, one of the wives that, "Oh this Krishna, He does not love you, He only loves Radha. You are under wrong ideas, that He loves you. He just loves Radha. He does not love anyone. She's the one He really cares for." So they got jealous, and they went and told Shri Krishna that see we think that you only love Radha and your just be befooling us. And we are not going to be your wives anymore the way You are. In your heart of hearts You love Radha." So He said, "Who told you that?" They said Narada. He said "Alright. I know this Narada!". So Narada came to see Shri Krishna and Narada, then heard a great scream from Shri Krishna. Narada said, "What has happened." He said, "Oh a terrible pain in my stomach, oh no terrible pain. I just can't get over it." So Narada got a fright and he said, "Now what should we do? You better tell us the medicine." He said if you can give the dust of your feet for Me to drink, I'll be all right. See the tricks of the witness. So he said, "Oh God!" Narada said, "I can't give because I know He's the Primordial being. I can't give the dust of my feet for Him to drink, that would be such a bad thing to do and I will have all the sins of the world upon myself. I am not going to do." He said, "I am not doing!" He said anybody, anybody who thinks is my bhakta can do it, and you can ask my wives, that's a better idea. So Narada went round. He said "Oh He is in terrible pain, why don't you give the dust of your feet?" She said, "No, Nothing doing. You see as it is He doesn't love us, in His heart is only Radha and He wants us to give the dust of our feet, we are not mad. We will have no punyas, we will have no good deeds for us and what's going to happen"? So, Shri Krishna said, "If you cannot give me, then what am I to do now? I have got terrible pain. And somebody has to do it." So Narada said, "What do you suggest yourself?" He said "You go and ask Radha, she's the only person left now." So he went to Gokul, and Vrindaban, that area has got the dust of yellow color like pollen, the color of a pollen. And he went and told that "He's got a pain in the stomach, and now what to do?" She said "What did he say?" He said "If give the dust of your feet, He will all right." She said "Take it, take it, take it. Just now you take it!" He said "Aren't you worried?" She said "About what? He's the Primordial being! You give Him your dust. What will happen?" She didn't feel guilty. She just said "It's all right take it out." And he scraped some of the dust. He said, "Aren't you worried, you'll be losing completely in your punyas and all that." She said, "Oh, don't you worry." And she said, "He is the One who makes me do all the sins and He's the One who makes me love others, and He does everything. I'm not bothered it is his lookout. If He has asked for it, better take it." So he went to Krishna. The beauty of the story is here. He went to Sri Krishna and told him that she has given the thing. He said "Bring it bring it!" and He drank. And he said But I was surprised at her answer that it is You who do all kinds of sins and this and that. And you are the One who makes her to love others and what ever He does is [UNCLEAR], She's not bothered about it. She's not worried about paapas and punyas, she's not worried about sin and good deeds. She said its He who does everything , I have nothing to bother, let Him do what He likes. If He wants it I'll give. I'm surprised she is not bothered. So Sri Krishna said, "All right, you just watch just now. Watch my heart. And Sri Krishna opened His heart and in the heart was Radha sitting. It was a lotus and the lotus had the pollen and Her feet were touching that pollen. If Her feet are touching that pollen there then what is the punyas and what are the apunyas? If Her feet are in His heart then what is to decide. See the beauty. The poetry of the divine is so beautiful, it's so beautiful, if you understand the poetry, then you will never feel guilty. You are unnecessarily taking out thorns out of flowers. The beauty is so much, it's so beautiful it is, the whole thing is so poetic that, to understand that poetry, you have to cut down all these ideas of cursing yourself and saying bad things to yourself. Leave everything to the Divine, in full understanding and in full love. You don't need much imagination for that. Its just when you go to your heart, and see for yourself how much you have got. Just think. When you think of your guilt, you should think: where were you? What was you condition? Did you ever expect that you will get self-realization sitting down in London watching Thames Television? And you got it, just think of the blessing and the grace, and forget about feeling guilty, just be joyous and happy, and smile at yourself. There should be a giggle all the time behind the lips. When these things will happen to you, then you start feeling the joy within you. And that joy should be felt, it's just a play of the Divine which is to be seen as a play and not as something serious and a horrible thing which makes you guilty. Now, no more you are going to feel guilty, but if you are doing something wrong, against Sahaja Yoga, by which you are bringing bad name to Sahaja Yoga, then you must immediately correct. Such people will be definitely punished whether they feel guilty or not. There's not doubt about it. But if you are loosing in collectivity, you better improve. There are many people like that. First thing they'll say, "I was never told, I did not know. He should tell me." Some people will never tell, you see this is the same style of people. Why not be open? Just open. You see flowers, they are only always on top of the tree. Do they hide themselves under the some roots and things? Only the creepers, horrible ones, like snakes and worms and all these things, they hide. Why do they hide? Because they can't face the beauty of sun. They can't face the beauty of collectivity. So they hide and these scorpions they hide. Why should you hide anything from each other? Be open. Talk to each other openly, without any reservations. I mean small things like people used to first grudge, "Mother she has taken away my soap!" And I would used to say, "Oh God look at these people!" "Oh I can't use that soap!" You see. Perhaps you have not noticed, I have been using your common soap there throughout. I deliberately did not use My soap. I left My soap down there so that you can use it for a different purpose. I play like this all the time with you. But you have to also start playing with Me, otherwise you will not be in the game. You will be left out, you will never enjoy, and not only that you'll be misfits, but like the way the other fellow has asked Me that "How do you go to eternal hell?" I answered him very simply, I said "You can take two running jumps and go there!" Imagine the fellow doing that! It's like that. So this is how we create our heavens and our hell. Sahaja Yoga is not for people who want to go to hell. It's very easy. But to deny Sahaja Yoga and to defy it after coming to it, and not to accept the verdict of Sahaja Yoga and to displease the deities is the worst thing one can do. Either you don't come, if you come, you have to obey and understand that these are the laws which are eternal and you cannot surpass them. You accept them, then you enjoy. What's the use of denying them? If you do not accept them you cannot enjoy yourself and you will create a hell for yourself and for others. So today I say that let us open our heart. Just like the flowers, we have to come up the tree. Let us compete in giving more, being nice to others instead of criticizing. And sometimes people come and tell me, "Oh he did like this." I don't like it much. Unless and until it's fundamentally something wrong, you should not, and I know how many people can carry on with others. That's very important. So the collectivity must be brought in but your character itself should be such that people should say "oh she is very sweet" or "He's very nice and is nice to everyone." Then also they should say not only that but "They are ideal, the way they behave". Especially husband and wives, I have seen that some of them are very much appreciated, some of them are neutral type and some of them are condemned. When you are married before Me, its your moral responsibility to see that you really create a good relationship and do not hate each other. One should not judge by other norms like you see, "He didn't bring me a sari" or "He didn't bring me a frock" or something like that. But we have to be ideals. I have seen either they are dominated or they do not want to get dominated or they dominate. There are only three categories. Wise are those who get over this category and make a beautiful thing out of it. That's a challenging point. And all such people who can take up the challenge have been married. If they fail, I don't think anybody will marry again, most of them may remain bachelors or spinsters or what you call them. So it's not good. Those who are married have a great responsibility to be sensible, not dominating at all by any chance. Nobody has business to say "Don't do that!" Nobody! After Sahaja Yoga. Before Sahaja Yoga it's all right, after you're not to say, "Don't". And you don't have to be also off-handed by doing everything that you want to do yourself. Both things are wrong. There should be combination and understanding. I think the married people have much greater responsibility than the unmarried in Sahaja Yoga. Then the mothers and the parents are also very responsible people. They have to guide others how they have to live with each other. The norms have to change; it's not how much you are educated, and what you know and efficiency. That's not important in Sahaja Yoga at all. How much you earn, all this is not important. What is important is how you deal with each other and enjoy each other. How much capacity you have got to enjoy each other. And that's the way you really transform yourself into a beautiful joyous personality and others too. I hope the rain would stop and we'll have our Puja now. So May God bless you, enjoy every bit of it, enjoy every bit of it.

7/16/1981

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Public Program. Hampstead, London (England), 16 July 1981. From amoeba to this stage and today the time has come to become aware of Him, of His powers with your spirit flowing in. You have to become your spirit now at this juncture. You must first decide, and as soon as you become that you are going to give up caterpillar state. That has to be decided. So many have been realized, in this country and in so many other countries. I wonder how many of them have understood that you are the flowers and how the flower has to be fragrant. Are you that fragrant towards others? Unless and until such a decision is been made, of course I must say the Grace of God is so great that despite everything people are getting their realization. Imagine the Arch Bishop of black magic, who must have heard thousands of people is also getting realization. Can you imagine! Tremendous things are happening I am amazed. How these things are working out, The Grace is working so quickly. So many people are getting realization. But I don’t know really if it is going to give you the wisdom or not, but you should mature into the beauty of your realization. You are still the same, then what’s the use of getting realization if you don’t want to change. After all you wanted your realization, just because you wanted to change. And it is the change of transmutation so that some of you has to die so that the beauty comes up. And if that is not achieved, that we have not achieved, the goal of self realization. I feel that for all these years whatever I have seen is such a tremendous Grace flowing. Thousands of people getting realization in Indian villages. It’s amazing, how things are working. It’s fantastic, I could not believe my own self, when I saw all these things happening, but it’s happening, believe Me it’s happening. First we had horrible skeptical people all right, they were questioning, doubting, this that, that subsided. But now this a new race of this egoistical people is coming up which has become so subtle that they also don’t realize that still that caterpillar is hanging on to them. To grow in Sahaj Yoga you have to understand that the age has come. About this star, when I read I was surprised, that it appeared the time when I was born, really surprising, and it is a star that gives you this power of transmutation. So maybe through this star, the Grace is working it out that you can achieve the transmutation, your evolution, your breakthrough and become that beautiful being which can adorn the kingdom of God. May God Bless you. Should we have a experience with the determination, all the Sahaj Yogis also must determine. That for anything on the world we are not going to hurt other people. Nothing is more important than human beings. What Christ has said that you turn your another cheek if somebody slaps you in the one, it is for the Sahaj Yogis. All these things, He has said for the Sahaj Yogis and not for other people. So we have to remember that we have to show others by our real transmutation and a quick one. It is so slow that the movement of the earth may be seen, but not, sometimes the movement of the Sahaj Yogis. It is that slow. The pace is so slow. You haven’t got any place, you come down here, come here, there is a place here for you to sit down, come along, here there is place. Of course those who can sit on the ground, come sit down. Mark, come along come here. You can sit here. Mark, you come here, I mean in the door you see, they are coming in here and sitting, you better sit here, be comfortable. Hari you come this side. Where is Regis? Ask him also to come down, come along, come here. Regis, just come forward. Gavin, would you like to come, there is a lot of room. Its all right. Now anybody can give Gavin a seat because the lady won’t allow you to sit here. That’s cool. I am sorry there is no chart, otherwise I would have explained to you how this works out within us, how God has made us absolutely ready for our evolution, how it works spontaneously, I am sorry for that but I hope next time we will be able to put the chart and I will be able to explain to you. In any case you should get from these people, there are charts and things to read and to understand, how we are made, so beautifully and delicately within ourselves and how we jump into a new awareness. It’s so simple, so spontaneous and so beautiful. Will you please put your hands like this towards me, close your eyes, its cool breeze is coming, no window is open. It is all right so that’s from Me. Still on the…It’s going to work out with everyone. Just the hands like this. Now again I would request you to say that, “I forgive everyone who might have hurt me.” Just say because even when I was saying this, most of you have been thinking about how people have hurt you and not about how I have hurt others. Now just say that I forgive all those who have hurt me. Thrice. Now without feeling guilty, without feeling guilty, this is very important, thrice I say, because guilty, feeling guilty, feeling guilty is an escape just you have to say ask God, to forgive you if you have hurt others. Sahaj Yoga works on the power of love and all angularities and all the thorns that make this force, weak, has to be discarded. Unless and until you have got this force flowing fully within you, you cannot achieve any heights in your evolution. So please ask for forgiveness, say thrice at least. If it is said about ten times it will be better but at least thrice. Sahaj Yogis should say 12 times, I think. Now you ask for your Self Realization with humility, paying attention to your heart, ask for your realization. You are entitled to it. But humility is important because you are asking for something so great, that there should be some emptiness within you in which you receive it. If one is filled with vanity, nothing is going to help. You should not feel guilty as I have said, or you can say thrice that,” I am not guilty”, its better not to feel guilty about anything. Don’t count all the so called guilts. Please don’t do that because after all you are made the temple of God. You become first thoughtlessly aware. Means if you watch yourself there is no thought. Just watch within yourself there is no thought. You feel you have become blank and when the Kundalini pierces through your fontanel bone area, when you get your realization, then you feel the cool breeze in the hand. Long pause How are you feeling? Good. Enjoy yourself. She’s got it already. How are you feeling? In the hand, a little cool breeze? All right …………………just watch me here, just watch me a little, without thinking, just watch me, put your hands straight, little bit straight like this, you see all these centers must be exposed, like this. Close your eyes, stretch your hands a little. You got it, cool breeze in your hands, have you? Very subtle. It is very subtle. Keep your eyes shut. Start working out, it’s a happening. It has to. It’s good (Mother laughs). All those who have got cool breeze raise your hands. Yes great! It’s all right. You are feeling guilty is it? Or just say,” Mother I am not guilty”. That’s all. Just say that. What is there to feel guilty, you see? God is so great. He is ocean of forgiveness. What guilt can we have, what mistakes can we commit, we are nothing compared to Him, His love is so great. Better close your eyes. It will work out. Just say. ‘I am not guilty’. It helps many people if they say. Will you say that too, “I am not guilty.” It helps many people. People next to you …what about you? Are you feeling hot? And what about you? And she’s got it. Are you feeling anything in the hand? How do you feel? This lady. No? Watch me. You have to forgive yourself completely. Now little bit close your eyes. Raise your Kundalini. Now, we didn’t have... watch me ……………………………. Don’t feel guilty, got it? Not yet. Have you been to some spiritualist, some spiritualist? Horrible people, you know. They don’t know what they are playing with. They are playing with fire, they have no idea. Horrible, it is very dangerous. It works for seven generations if they try these tricks. You will be all right. Don’t you worry? Put your right hand on the heart and ask for forgiveness that you went to these spiritualists, it will work out, keep your eyes open. Left hand like that, left hand like that, right here. She has got it, Shinwah? Hmm, what about you? Are your all right? Still! Somebody can go and see. These people now, you are all right? Good. Just here. Are you all right? Anna please work on this lady. Are you all right, are you feeling any cool breeze? Little bit, just put her right to the left. What’s the matter, put the right hand, it is all beautiful. She is enjoying. She is a born realized child. Rosy, how are you? You must always come and see me, all right, see me, I have so many children like you. Have you seen them? Have you seen all of them playing that side. Must go and talk to them. She is the only child you have? You came to me before also sometime? Yes last week. Yes I saw you, I remember. Is there some new person at the back? There is lady there. Where? Let her come. Jamal, have you brought that Pluto thing with you? I wanted Gavin to publish it, its interesting to see. The caterpillars, all the caterpillars will have to go through metamorphosis, and how do you do that you know? You have to hang them by their legs and pull it out. Mother laughs. Try, will be good idea. Come for the first time? You’ve been before? Got your realization? Great, then come down, sit down. What’s your name? Kasturi sit down, sit down there. Are you an Indian? Is it? You all look so alike to me I don’t know. From the name is a beautiful Kasturi you know. The meaning of the word is ah There is a deer in the Himalayas, which has got a navel, which has got an incense in it, the most precious incense is that kasturi, and the deer is not aware of the thing, that it is in the navel of mine and it gets the fragrance, it runs all over the places to find out where the fragrances is coming from, where is it coming from, and it is the navel. The same way we do run all over the places, it is in our heart, the spirit is there, the fragrant instead of seeing within ourselves we run all over. Yes, all right good raise it, raise her, raise her. Good Malcolm, raise it, raise it, go on doing it, put it down and raise it. You see sympathetic, you put it down then you will work on, that’s it. Hmm, What about you, how do you find? We must meet one day quietly before I go to Brisk[I am not sure about this word] and discuss about this project because there is one Dr. Mutalique in WHO, who has admit to look into the thing, to see, how the things are. I don’t know how to experiment with this things and what to do so. Let us work it out. He is the Head of the WHO in India. I gave him realization in the plane and went back and some sahaj yogis met him. He is quiet is…[inaudible]………because he has got the reports,… …[inaudible]……….. He was quiet anxious to do research in this …[inaudible]………… but now I am here …[inaudible]…………We have to find out a way and a method to bring it on the experimental level so that we can talk to these intellectuals and these great scientists.

Public Program. Hampstead, London (England), 16 July 1981. From amoeba to this stage and today the time has come to become aware of Him, of His powers with your spirit flowing in. You have to become your spirit now at this juncture. You must first decide, and as soon as you become that you are going to give up caterpillar state. That has to be decided. So many have been realized, in this country and in so many other countries. I wonder how many of them have understood that you are the flowers and how the flower has to be fragrant. Are you that fragrant towards others? Unless and until such a decision is been made, of course I must say the Grace of God is so great that despite everything people are getting their realization. Imagine the Arch Bishop of black magic, who must have heard thousands of people is also getting realization. Can you imagine! Tremendous things are happening I am amazed. How these things are working out, The Grace is working so quickly. So many people are getting realization. But I don’t know really if it is going to give you the wisdom or not, but you should mature into the beauty of your realization. You are still the same, then what’s the use of getting realization if you don’t want to change. After all you wanted your realization, just because you wanted to change. And it is the change of transmutation so that some of you has to die so that the beauty comes up. And if that is not achieved, that we have not achieved, the goal of self realization. I feel that for all these years whatever I have seen is such a tremendous Grace flowing. Thousands of people getting realization in Indian villages. It’s amazing, how things are working. It’s fantastic, I could not believe my own self, when I saw all these things happening, but it’s happening, believe Me it’s happening. First we had horrible skeptical people all right, they were questioning, doubting, this that, that subsided. But now this a new race of this egoistical people is coming up which has become so subtle that they also don’t realize that still that caterpillar is hanging on to them. To grow in Sahaj Yoga you have to understand that the age has come. About this star, when I read I was surprised, that it appeared the time when I was born, really surprising, and it is a star that gives you this power of transmutation. So maybe through this star, the Grace is working it out that you can achieve the transmutation, your evolution, your breakthrough and become that beautiful being which can adorn the kingdom of God. May God Bless you. Should we have a experience with the determination, all the Sahaj Yogis also must determine. That for anything on the world we are not going to hurt other people. Nothing is more important than human beings. What Christ has said that you turn your another cheek if somebody slaps you in the one, it is for the Sahaj Yogis. All these things, He has said for the Sahaj Yogis and not for other people. So we have to remember that we have to show others by our real transmutation and a quick one. It is so slow that the movement of the earth may be seen, but not, sometimes the movement of the Sahaj Yogis. It is that slow. The pace is so slow. You haven’t got any place, you come down here, come here, there is a place here for you to sit down, come along, here there is place. Of course those who can sit on the ground, come sit down. Mark, come along come here. You can sit here. Mark, you come here, I mean in the door you see, they are coming in here and sitting, you better sit here, be comfortable. Hari you come this side. Where is Regis? Ask him also to come down, come along, come here. Regis, just come forward. Gavin, would you like to come, there is a lot of room. Its all right. Now anybody can give Gavin a seat because the lady won’t allow you to sit here. That’s cool. I am sorry there is no chart, otherwise I would have explained to you how this works out within us, how God has made us absolutely ready for our evolution, how it works spontaneously, I am sorry for that but I hope next time we will be able to put the chart and I will be able to explain to you. In any case you should get from these people, there are charts and things to read and to understand, how we are made, so beautifully and delicately within ourselves and how we jump into a new awareness. It’s so simple, so spontaneous and so beautiful. Will you please put your hands like this towards me, close your eyes, its cool breeze is coming, no window is open. It is all right so that’s from Me. Still on the…It’s going to work out with everyone. Just the hands like this. Now again I would request you to say that, “I forgive everyone who might have hurt me.” Just say because even when I was saying this, most of you have been thinking about how people have hurt you and not about how I have hurt others. Now just say that I forgive all those who have hurt me. Thrice. Now without feeling guilty, without feeling guilty, this is very important, thrice I say, because guilty, feeling guilty, feeling guilty is an escape just you have to say ask God, to forgive you if you have hurt others. Sahaj Yoga works on the power of love and all angularities and all the thorns that make this force, weak, has to be discarded. Unless and until you have got this force flowing fully within you, you cannot achieve any heights in your evolution. So please ask for forgiveness, say thrice at least. If it is said about ten times it will be better but at least thrice. Sahaj Yogis should say 12 times, I think. Now you ask for your Self Realization with humility, paying attention to your heart, ask for your realization. You are entitled to it. But humility is important because you are asking for something so great, that there should be some emptiness within you in which you receive it. If one is filled with vanity, nothing is going to help. You should not feel guilty as I have said, or you can say thrice that,” I am not guilty”, its better not to feel guilty about anything. Don’t count all the so called guilts. Please don’t do that because after all you are made the temple of God. You become first thoughtlessly aware. Means if you watch yourself there is no thought. Just watch within yourself there is no thought. You feel you have become blank and when the Kundalini pierces through your fontanel bone area, when you get your realization, then you feel the cool breeze in the hand. Long pause How are you feeling? Good. Enjoy yourself. She’s got it already. How are you feeling? In the hand, a little cool breeze? All right …………………just watch me here, just watch me a little, without thinking, just watch me, put your hands straight, little bit straight like this, you see all these centers must be exposed, like this. Close your eyes, stretch your hands a little. You got it, cool breeze in your hands, have you? Very subtle. It is very subtle. Keep your eyes shut. Start working out, it’s a happening. It has to. It’s good (Mother laughs). All those who have got cool breeze raise your hands. Yes great! It’s all right. You are feeling guilty is it? Or just say,” Mother I am not guilty”. That’s all. Just say that. What is there to feel guilty, you see? God is so great. He is ocean of forgiveness. What guilt can we have, what mistakes can we commit, we are nothing compared to Him, His love is so great. Better close your eyes. It will work out. Just say. ‘I am not guilty’. It helps many people if they say. Will you say that too, “I am not guilty.” It helps many people. People next to you …what about you? Are you feeling hot? And what about you? And she’s got it. Are you feeling anything in the hand? How do you feel? This lady. No? Watch me. You have to forgive yourself completely. Now little bit close your eyes. Raise your Kundalini. Now, we didn’t have... watch me ……………………………. Don’t feel guilty, got it? Not yet. Have you been to some spiritualist, some spiritualist? Horrible people, you know. They don’t know what they are playing with. They are playing with fire, they have no idea. Horrible, it is very dangerous. It works for seven generations if they try these tricks. You will be all right. Don’t you worry? Put your right hand on the heart and ask for forgiveness that you went to these spiritualists, it will work out, keep your eyes open. Left hand like that, left hand like that, right here. She has got it, Shinwah? Hmm, what about you? Are your all right? Still! Somebody can go and see. These people now, you are all right? Good. Just here. Are you all right? Anna please work on this lady. Are you all right, are you feeling any cool breeze? Little bit, just put her right to the left. What’s the matter, put the right hand, it is all beautiful. She is enjoying. She is a born realized child. Rosy, how are you? You must always come and see me, all right, see me, I have so many children like you. Have you seen them? Have you seen all of them playing that side. Must go and talk to them. She is the only child you have? You came to me before also sometime? Yes last week. Yes I saw you, I remember. Is there some new person at the back? There is lady there. Where? Let her come. Jamal, have you brought that Pluto thing with you? I wanted Gavin to publish it, its interesting to see. The caterpillars, all the caterpillars will have to go through metamorphosis, and how do you do that you know? You have to hang them by their legs and pull it out. Mother laughs. Try, will be good idea. Come for the first time? You’ve been before? Got your realization? Great, then come down, sit down. What’s your name? Kasturi sit down, sit down there. Are you an Indian? Is it? You all look so alike to me I don’t know. From the name is a beautiful Kasturi you know. The meaning of the word is ah There is a deer in the Himalayas, which has got a navel, which has got an incense in it, the most precious incense is that kasturi, and the deer is not aware of the thing, that it is in the navel of mine and it gets the fragrance, it runs all over the places to find out where the fragrances is coming from, where is it coming from, and it is the navel. The same way we do run all over the places, it is in our heart, the spirit is there, the fragrant instead of seeing within ourselves we run all over. Yes, all right good raise it, raise her, raise her. Good Malcolm, raise it, raise it, go on doing it, put it down and raise it. You see sympathetic, you put it down then you will work on, that’s it. Hmm, What about you, how do you find? We must meet one day quietly before I go to Brisk[I am not sure about this word] and discuss about this project because there is one Dr. Mutalique in WHO, who has admit to look into the thing, to see, how the things are. I don’t know how to experiment with this things and what to do so. Let us work it out. He is the Head of the WHO in India. I gave him realization in the plane and went back and some sahaj yogis met him. He is quiet is…[inaudible]………because he has got the reports,… …[inaudible]……….. He was quiet anxious to do research in this …[inaudible]………… but now I am here …[inaudible]…………We have to find out a way and a method to bring it on the experimental level so that we can talk to these intellectuals and these great scientists.

7/19/1981

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Guru Purnima, (Guru Puja), Chelsham Road Ashram, London (UK), 19 July 1981. Put your heart into it [Sahaja Yogis were singing Jerusalem]. And then you must say "Amen" after that. You see, it shows how William Blake thought of you people; and he represents that hope for England in this poem that I had about you people. As I had told you that: England is the heart; and the heart has to be first of all established, otherwise Sahaja Yoga is not going to be established. Now the people who live in this country are least believing, I think, in William Blake as you all do. (Inaudible) [This poem shows] Very clearly what hopes William Blake had. He could see the vision very clearly and he said that England has to become the Jerusalem. In Sanskrit language it’s called as "tirtha". Tirtha means a pilgrimage place, a place where pilgrims come in. And this indication here, of this poem, which is so beautifully written by William Blake, shows that he saw the vision of Sahaja Yoga prospering in England in this beautiful manner. But, as it is, this heart is so materially bound. There’s so much of materialism that has come into our veins even. And we have to realize that we have to get it out of our mind, out of our body. It has gone into us so much, the materialistic approach towards life, that we have to really take a strong action against it. It’s so much that anybody who comes to this country also becomes materialistic. Imagine [the] heart becoming a matter. Think of [the] heart becoming a stone. And today on a day when you are here to worship Me as a Guru. My desire is only one and that is that you all should become gurus yourself. Now I have struggled for seven years here to build you up and all the struggle that is described has been done single-handed to begin with and then so many of you joined. But when you join Me you have to realize that you have to really transform yourself. You have to know that you are, first of all, realized souls. Which, also, very few people really realize and are aware, I think, that they are realized souls. They are not the other, mundane, type of people, ordinary people. They are Realized souls. So as it is they have to get out off this shell in which they have been living. The ideas of securities, that you have had so far, come to you all from materialism if you study yourself correctly. Everything is trickling down to you that is materialism. How many people read William Blake? How many understand him and how many believe in him? And then how many follow him? He is a lost poet of this country. After getting realization, unless and until the people of England understand that they have to completely transform themselves into a new awareness of understanding that: you are now realized souls, you are part and parcel of the whole and you are aware of it. Firstly, materialism crawls into you in so many ways. Because there has been industrial revolution. People have created many things. Matter has been comforting you and you got used to matter. You just can’t do without it. A small thing say for example - you must have a paper napkin, or you must have a glove. This is the minimum of minimum. But see, how many countries use these things? How many people in the world use these things? It is not needed for the body. By this over preservation of yourself and by this domination of matter upon yourself, you have really become delicate darlings, absolutely delicate darlings. Like if you go to Himalayas take it. I went to Bhowali and other places like Nainita. They are, all the time, colder than London, and there are peaks which are, all the time, covered with snow and the people there never use shoes or socks, never. They take their baths everyday with cold water, every day! You’ll be amazed every one of them, they have rosy cheeks, they are not pale, they are healthy people. Their women folk carry all the wood, all the way up the hill. God has made your body in such a way that it can bear up lots of things. Of course now, suddenly, an Englishman cannot become a Pahadi, means a man living on the hills, that I understand. You cannot suddenly become that. But gradually try to give up certain things that you think so important in life. Try! One day it may pain, second day it may pain. Because unless and until you make really great effort to get rid of materialistic body and mind, you cannot be alright. And this is the biggest stumbling block for the western seekers. You have to get out of that cocoon, as I said. The whole transmutation has to take place. Every time you ask anyone, he’s catching still. How can you become Gurus? I mean your Guru can live in whatever conditions, as I told you the other day. Now there are some Indians here, ask them if they can wash their hands in washbasins with the water in it. Ask any Indian. They just can’t do it. They can’t use paper only, they just can’t live with the paper only. They just can’t live like that. Impossible. I can’t think of one Indian who can do that. Even in the poorest conditions in England they cannot do it. They might have lived here for twenty-five years I can assure you, they just can’t do it. They can’t live without baths. You may tell them a hundred times that “you take your bath once a week,” it’s impossible. Two weeks is out of question, they will die. Even if they have got lung cancer they will take. But you have seen Me, how much I can adjust. Though all my life I’ve lived in India. I can live under any circumstances, I can live in Indian villages. In any circumstances I can live. So the other day also I told you, and again I tell you, first of all get out you this mala, this filth of materialism. Indians also become materialistic when they come to England. For them money is important, nothing else. They have no time for anything else but for money. It’s a fact. Anybody who touches this land becomes money possessed. If you tell them that money’s not everything they can’t understand, they go mad. Morning till evening they are also running in the rat race. Now you have to change, you have to come out of it. You have to stand out and see for yourself that you are no more one of these mad people who run after matter. And you leave each and every thing, every particle of it here and die; again you are born, again you are doing the same thing. You have to run away from comfort. You must learn how to overcome your comforts. You must train your body. Little noise here and there. Englishman, I am saying Englishman because we are in England. Americans are much worse. Any noise fifty percent would die with any blasting they hear. Just by hearing. They are so sensitive. I mean they have made their bodies, their everything, so sensitive that they are really dainty darlings. And can you imagine, read the second part of it loudly. Second part of it you just read it. Where is the second part now? Gavin - just read it. Read it out loudly and see for yourself with these dainty darlings how am I going to do this. Gavin: “Bring me my Bow of burning gold. Bring me my arrows of desire.” Shri Mataji: What is going to happen? You have no answer. Gavin: “Bring me my spear Oh, clouds unfold. Bring me my chariot of fire.” Shri Mataji: Of fire? You can’t sit even on a chariot. (Laughter) Really! Because it shakes and you have to hold it tight and you have to stand erect with it. Gavin: “I will not cease from mental fight nor shall my sword sleep in my hand. Till we have built Jerusalem in England’s green and pleasant land.” Shri Mataji: I think better give swords into everybody’s hand. Let’s see how many can hold it straight. You see Sahaja Yoga is not a simple thing like dish washing. It’s a very serious thing and on certain things you are very well equipped, but on certain things where you are not equipped, that must be sustained. Your strong points are your strong points so forget about them. Whatever are your weak points, hit them there. I mean mentally you are very well equipped. If I have to argue with you I will give up. I really can’t because you are very knowledgeable people. You have read all the books of the world, you are over read. You are too great. But, as far as your body is concerned, your body is a slave of matter. In a way your mind is also a slave of matter. So to understand that we have to be great gurus, first of all a guru has to go through a great discipline of self-emancipation, self-emancipation. Great discipline is needed. And the great discipline of self-emancipation is, first of all, we must get rid of the idea of comfort. You can’t sit on the chair? Alright. You can’t sit on a particular chair? Sit on that chair everyday till that chair breaks completely. You cannot sit on the ground? Sit on the ground, everyday. You can’t live without one thing? Try to do that. That’s how you make your body alright. Make your body your slave and not you the slave of the body. Because if you have to become the guru your body should be such that it should just adjust to everything that you want to do, otherwise what’s the use? Imagine you have a car which you cannot handle, will you sit in such a car? You will bash yourself and bash others also and that’s what you are doing. One has to realize that: to overcome this material drag upon yourself, you have to work it out on yourself. Then, once you have controlled this, minimum of minimum, that you can sleep anywhere you feel like. Try to sleep on the ground for a while. That you may do for sun tanning, and people cannot resist all this nonsense because these are ideas put into you. They have exploited you. They have told you that: this should be done, that should be done, this is necessary, that is necessary. They have to sell their goods. Try to sometimes fast. I have prohibited Indians from fasting, because what they do is to fast. At the slightest pretext they fast. I mean, as it is, there is a dearth of food in India - so they fast. What is the need for them to fast? But here it is necessary that people should learn to fast and should not get attracted towards food so much. I mean the attraction towards food, also, is a sign that your senses are just driving you mad, isn’t it? Think of it. Now separate yourself from your senses and see how it drives you mad. First of all the body, then the senses we should attack. The biggest enemy we have is our own tongue. It acts in two ways. One is the taste. The food - taste. And the second way it attacks is the way we talk. Either we don’t talk or when we talk we just hit. We cannot be kind. We cannot be compassionate. We cannot communicate our heart to anyone. Control your tongue. First of all try to control your tongue on those two things. You want to eat a cake then don’t eat cake for a year. This is the only way you can train your tongue, I really tell you. Now if you say something harsh all the time, say you have a way of speaking some sort of an abuse,[then] try to change it. Try to change. Try to make your speech a sweet one. Make it a beautiful one, attractive. You cannot be a guru in Sahaja Yoga, I can tell you, with a sharp tongue. Those gurus are finished. We had gurus before, they used to just sit with a big stick in the hand. To anybody coming, first they would give twenty-five nice ones. Still if the fellow would stick on, then they would say, “Alright now come closer to me.” Then they may slap him twice. If he could bear that, I mean they could go to any limit of torturing their disciples, they would put the disciple upside down, in a well and pull him up and again dip him down, pull him and dip him down - eleven times. And still if he survived then he would help. They used to take physical test. I mean their disciples had to be really wrestlers, very healthy people, having a lot of resistance and stamina, otherwise they would not take. And they said “Erya gabaliyatze karma no ahe” – “it’s not the job for any Dick, Tom and Harry.” Thus they would only select one person. They would make him sit on the thorns or on the nails. Actually there were seats of nails. These people were made to sit on the seats like that. I mean I’m not telling you lies, you can find out. And they used to treat them as if they are on a suicide squad, absolutely like that. The determination had to be like that. Then they would accept them as a disciple, not as a guru still. Then beating them nicely morning till evening. You have heard of Mr. Ravi Shankar, a great sitarist. I remember My father was a political adviser to the king where his guru, Allaudin Khan Sahib, used to live. And I remember that day when I was in college and he was also young, might be slightly younger to Me in age, or maybe, I don’t know what was his age that time. But he was studying with this fellow, this guru of his and we went there. So My father was a great connoisseur of music and his guru used to respect My father. So he asked, that, “Why don’t you play?” My father asked, to Ravi Shankar. He said, “Sir please,” his eyes came out, He pleaded. He was so frightened! Then his guru played. You see, he used to play on Mridangam(actually Pakhawaj) that’s a kind of double tabla, a double percussion. He was a great genius, then he went away for something. So Ravi Shankar crawled up to My father. He said, “Sir never ask me, before my guru, to play. You see?” Then he lifted his hair and showed a big bulge was there. “You see, this I got yesterday for playing one note [wrong]. My sitar was broken and this (bump) I’ve got instead of the sitar! This is my guru’s Prasad. So please for heaven’s sake”. Still he stuck on to him. And you can see the results today he’s Ravi Shankar. But you have a Guru who is a Mother. I never hit you, I don’t think I have hit anyone. You got your Realization. In all my compassion I looked after you. I have given you compassion. I’ve never asked for anything nor have I complained for anything or grudged for anything. I have been extremely, extremely, extremely patient with you. So, you have to be My prototype. You are a guru in Sahaja Yoga in this Maha Yoga, you are not a guru of this type who can only create one disciple in twenty-one thousand years, sort of a thing. You have got the knowledge of Kundalini much more than any one of these gurus have got. You have the powers much more than any one of these gurus have. Indiscriminately, this power has been given to you. Now only those who will come up and grow as proper trees will be called as gurus. And that is why one has to know how to grow properly as a guru. First of all, you must give up all materialistic attitude towards Sahaja Yoga. Many, many Sahaja Yogis even have an idea that it should be used for certain purposes. You see, that it should house us, it should give us some place to live in. Some people have an absurd idea that it should also provide us food, free. That it should not touch, at all, our married life. We can have our plans with our married life the way we like. We can lead absolutely, a very selfish, self-centred married life. Also, some people have an idea that we are not to spend a single pie for Sahaja Yoga but take all the advantages out of it. Such people should never hope to become gurus. They may try to show off but they’ll go down. You have to learn humility. First of all, you have to be humble people. Unless and until you have a large heart, you can never humble down. You have to be an extremely humble person. Humility doesn’t mean that you bow to a person who is dominating, it never means that. But it means a strength within you. The person who is weak can never be humble. He can never bear the load like this Mother Earth bears our load so well, because she’s so great. You have to be strong enough within yourself to bear the load of your disciples, of people who try to follow you. Humility should be that: “I was like them, absolutely like them. I was nothing. Without Sahaja Yoga what was I?” I mean you may be the governor of some place, all right, so what? Before God’s eyes, what are you? Nothing, nobody knows who you are. You may be having cars and anything. You might be a very educated anything. What does it matter in the name [“realm”?] of God? You have known that saints have not been so educated. Christ never went to any university, did he? All these ideas that we have got of our greatness must be absolutely made zero. The greatness is in humility and sweetness. Speak something that will be dear to others, that would be appealing to them in a proper discriminating diplomatic manner. Some people in the name of honesty just are sadistic, or useless. You can talk to people nicely, say something, in such a way that they feel attracted towards you. That they feel that there is complete humility, that you accept them as they are because you want to give them. All kinds of subtler arrogance also develops in people, I have seen. I can’t understand how people develop this kind of arrogance. Like, supposing somebody knows how to do the puja, take an XYZ. He becomes so arrogant. If somebody knows some Sanskrit he becomes arrogant. If, say, somebody comes to see Me more often than others, she becomes arrogant. Somebody manages a hall, he becomes arrogant. Or somebody programs something, he becomes arrogant. Anything you do, first thing that happens is, in your tongue, you develop a big ego like that. You become a sharp tongued person. Cut your tongue many a times. Punish it. It has no business to be like that because it is not going to serve the purpose for which it is there. A guru’s vani is so great that every word he speaks is a mantra. Every sentence he says opens a complete universe. It should be that powerful and that beautiful not to close down anybody’s heart. You speak to someone, the other person says, “Oh God never see his face.” Sahaja Yoga depends on you more than it depends on Me. You have to change. You have to change yourself very much more. Just by taking up some sort of a role or assuming something great you are not going to progress at all. Supposing a little bush says, “I am a tree.” Will it become a tree? Supposing it behaves like a tree will it become a tree? It has to become the tree then there is no need to behave, you are a tree. A woman walks like a woman and a man walks like a man. If you behave like a woman will you become a woman? It has to be innate. It has to be within us. If you are a guru you are a guru anybody can see and say, “Ah that’s a guru.” Then you can do lots of things. We are not willing to give up these things, that’s why we go on catching on the same point, catching on the same point. At least those who are here should decide today that we are going to change ourselves completely. Let us start on the changing. We meet others, we greet others, talk to them. We should be able to talk. There are some people who just don’t know how to talk. They just don’t talk, they are all the time - never heard their voice. If they telephone I can’t even recognize because I’ve never heard their voices before. You must talk. Open out. What is there to have fear? Humility doesn’t mean fear, it means complete love. You must talk, open out, be interesting. Try to do something for others. I have been saying this again and again. You have to all become gurus. I am just a Mother. And Mother is the first and the last guru for everyone. That’s how I’m your Guru and I’m the Guru of all the Gurus. But you have to become your own guru. And for that you have to think that you have to hold swords in your hand. Not only to hold swords in your hand, you have teach others to hold the swords. What should be the character of that man who has to guide others? He himself cannot hold the sword in his hand. What is he going to teach to others? You just tell Me that - a simple question. At least you should have that personality that can hold the sword in the hand. So the first thing one has to know is to absolutely enslave your body and enslave your senses. You can give justification. I know people know how to give justification. “I said this because he said that.” It’s not that. It is you who do not know that you are harming yourself. Try to get out of it. You are asking but now you have to face, you have to give. This asking is over now, finished. You’ve got everything. You are not aware you have got everything now within yourself. Just reverse the position and you can give to others. But if you’re hankering still, worried about these nonsensical things then nobody is going to respect you. I would suggest one thing, that: take to detachment. In a way a sanyasa absolutely a sanyasa. You know I am a sanyasi. Though I live in a household and all that, I am not bothered about things. I am a sanyasi, but the day I will announce that I have taken a sanyasa people will be much more impressed by Me than they are today. If a person is over attached to things, attached to money, attached to this, that, and all those things, such a person is not going to impress others in spiritual matters. You can be a nice prime minister of England, but you have no place in Sahaja Yoga if you do not have a way of detachment. That doesn’t mean that you become hippies by any chance- not at all. But it means that you become detached. Specially it is very important for you to develop that – a detachment. Detach yourself from things that you are supposed to be possessing. I can tell you, you cannot take anything with you. Can you? We know that we are not going to take. Now you are aware of it, that you’re not going to take, also. It’s not that you are not aware. Then why are you attached? All kinds of disgraceful behavior ensues when you are attached. Become a sanyasi. It doesn’t mean you wear that yellow or red and all kinds of horrible dresses. But from inside you become a sanyasi. That’s the best way you conquer your void. The void question first comes because of wrong guru. Of course, no doubt about it. If you have been to a wrong guru then the void will be very, very bad no doubt. Because you have followed a wrong guru you will always have to remember that you have to follow the right Guru, out and out. Absolute full surrendering otherwise it will never go down. And if you start sort of “Yes I know, Mother is alright,” this kind of thing will not work out. You have to go all out to accept the right Guru if you have a void problem. And this void problem is so deep, is so deep that, first of all, it indicates Ekadasha Rudra. Ekadasha Rudra is a very dangerous thing because it can give you from left to right all kinds of funny things, even cancer, epilepsy, all kinds of diseases. So those who have been to other gurus have to go all out to neutralize it on the void part. And for them it is necessary to really decide to become a sanyasi. In the sense that - don’t get attached to material things too much. Because from these gurus all kinds of things have come to you. Some people might have picked up bad things like telling lies. You see, even I’ve seen people who go to these gurus can pick up some sort of a horrible intrigue; intriguing nature. Anything they can pick up. I have seen people who have been to gurus. They have such horrible spirits in them that, when they come to Sahaja Yoga also, they intrigue with Sahaja Yogis. They intrigue! You see [whether] their bhoots intrigue or they intrigue - God alone knows, but go on intriguing against Sahaja Yoga. They talk to people against Sahaja Yoga they do this, they are not aware. And their void goes out again and again. So for anyone who has followed any such things, any practices of this kind or even self-meditation or anything like, must get to it and see to it that you really surrender fully to the right Guru. Fully, hundred percent. Complete obedience. Not to judge or not to even ask questions. That would help very much in the void. But I can tell you spirituality is such great thing that, if you accept that kind of obedience, it fills you up with such powers, tremendous powers. Obedience is the key of becoming the best guru. If you do not know how to respect, nobody is going to respect you. If you have not been under any command you cannot command anyone. Surrendering is the best way for void people especially. First of all you must surrender completely, blindly you can say. Just jump into it. Do not reason it out. Complete surrendering. Once you have done that you will be surprised how you’ll be so blessed with the powers of a guru that you’ll rise to heights and you will do all that William Blake has said. Because it is like a drop submerging into the ocean and becoming the ocean. And you know the ocean is the Guru, not a drop. It’s the ocean and the ocean has everything in it. So we have to learn from the ocean to be the ocean by becoming the ocean yourself. I have told you in many ways how it is important that we have to have many gurus of Sahaja Yoga. But if Sahaja fails it fails because of Sahaja Yogis not because of Me, always. What I hear, “Mother we went there, there were two Sahaja Yogis they were very rude to us so we would like to talk to you and not to them.” It’s very common. Or a fight between the two Sahaja Yogis or a misunderstanding or all sorts of things between sahaja yogis. You are the reflection of Sahaja Yoga. You are the mirrors, not Me. You have to reflect Sahaja Yoga. So first of all you have to become good reflectors – the good gurus. Now look at these gurus who move about. They have millions and millions of disciples except that they are crooks of the first order. They have no other qualifications to be gurus. They have no idea of Kundalini they cannot raise Kundalini. They are not even holy people leave alone anything else. They don’t deserve to enter into any temple of God leave alone His Kingdom. They are from hell and they have mesmerized people and they have got their disciples. You can also [raise the Kundalini], just through your character and through your abilities as Sahaja Yogis, which are tremendous. Even those who are great gurus in India cannot raise the Kundalini the way you can raise. Under their finger? They can’t believe it. It’s Shri Ganesha’s powers you have got. Look at the surrendering of Shri Ganesha. Look at His surrendering. Completely surrendered to his Mother. Who is wiser than Him? And in His wisdom He has chosen complete surrender to His Mother. To Him His Mother is Guru, She is Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha everything, even SadaShiva is Her, - His Mother; nothing else. And his power of Kundalini raising is within you. You’ve got it. You are made after his power. He is holiness, he’s auspicious, he’s innocence. A guru has to be innocent, has to be an innocent person. His innocence can be crafty. But innocence should be crafty, he should not be crafty. Innocence is the power which works the craftiness. It’s the Krishna shakti. It does. It works out. Suddenly you face it. You try anything it will be there. And he depends on his powers and not on his own methods of maneuvering things. But how many of you are religiously working it out morning, evening, every moment of life? How many of you are thinking that we are on the path of becoming full fledged gurus of Sahaja Yoga and nothing else. You are nothing else but that. How many of you decide like that? Every moment. It’s very easy just to say, “Oh it’s alright I don’t believe in it.” Then what are you going to do? What are you without Sahaja Yoga? Think of it. You can say, “I don’t want to do it.” You’ll have to do it. You are in it now. You better do it. You have to do it fast. For heavens sake better do it fast. Achieve it! You have all the powers believe Me, you have all the powers. Believe Me, you are better than all these gurus put together. But be humble, do not talk big. And do not become silent bores also. I mean some of them are real silent bores. They cannot be gurus I can tell you this much. That’s another quality. They’re absolutely boring people. Nobody wants to stay with them. I mean, you have to have people around to be a guru, you can’t be a guru of yourself! (laughter). If everybody says, “Oh, he’s such a boring person,” nobody will be there. You have to be interesting. You have to be interesting. You have to be dynamic. You should know some stories here and there. You have to make them laugh. They should enjoy you. This is Sahaja Yoga guruship. You see for such boring gurus one or two would stick on if they are equally boring or more boring. But such gurus are not going to help us in Sahaja Yoga. They are not. You have to be joyous, cheerful, helpful, understanding, concerned. You have to be concerned about others. You have to behave in a way that they feel that you are the security for them. But that doesn’t mean that you get after one person. You see, everything you tell them goes into some sort of a mad mould, I don’t know how it happens - whatever I say. For example, I say you should be concerned. Here I find that people start then, “Alright I am concerned.” So they start working on a person. And then they’ll come, “Mother my left hand is finished. Why? I was working on such a person.” Why? What was the need? You need not. That’s not your job. Let them also work. You must know how to make them work also. Otherwise, you see these lazy lumps will use you all the time. Let them also, tell them to get up and work, arise. Why can’t they work it out? They can work it out themselves. But then don’t tell them, “Now you work it out.” Not like that. Then another extreme can start. You should say, “Now see, you have a left side problem and I don’t think that you should make me work it out. I think you can work it out, lets see. I too had the same time type, let’s work it out. You better put your left hand towards the photograph, put right hand outside. Do this way that way. Beat yourself. Left side is Adi Shakti’s this thing. You can ask for Mahakali’s powers it can be worked out.” Give him all the knowledge say, “Now try, try yourself.” Because if you’re obliging too much also, then you make them dwarfs, you see. You have to be a tree which makes others grow into trees and not to make them dwarfs under it. You see, no grass can even grow under such trees, leave alone trees. Even the grass can’t grow if the trees are of this type. So you should be actually the tree of brilliance, of sun, sun’s rays. From you the sun’s rays should flow and they should grow. Not to obstruct every growth of your disciples. What sort of a guru could he be, whose disciples are all toddlers or still sucking their thumbs? So you should be a guru of a caliber that makes others grow too. I have hopes that my disciples will grow more than I am. I have hopes we’ll see that. That’s my desire, that’s what I want, that my disciples should grow. I mean, that will be my pride. Like Ganesha grew more than His own Mother, who created Him. That’s what is My desire. And that’s what I want you to realize that you are the hope of the world. Either you should not have taken birth in England. If you have taken, you have more responsibility not to be English and to be universal, because you have taken birth in the heart of the universe. You cannot be small-minded. You cannot be chicken-hearted. Either you are frightened or you are aggressive - this is an impossible situation. You have to be so strong that nothing should make you frightened, and such a person is the most benevolent personality. He’s not frightened of anyone, why should he harm anyone? Today, I hope you people really don’t listen to my lecture but put it in your heart, and understand that you have to become very dignified majestic gurus of this universe. I would like to ask William Blake what is he doing. When is he going to take his birth on this earth? When people of his caliber are going to be born in this country, or they are all running away again to some other place to be born? Marriage system of England is wretched. You cannot adopt those methods that these people are having. You want to have the great people to be born to you and every time you are running towards the divorce cases. How can they be born in this country? You have to give up all these wretched systems of this country. The good of this country should be taken, whatever is good in it, and transform this country into a beautiful thing. I mean if you really love this country then create it into a lovable place, isn’t it? You must try to destroy all that is retarding the progress, the spiritual progress of this country if you are a real Englishman. Real is the word. You should not be proud of all the weaknesses that have crawled up in all these hills and dales. All unholy thoughts, all inauspicious behaviors, all must be discarded. We are not that.

Guru Purnima, (Guru Puja), Chelsham Road Ashram, London (UK), 19 July 1981. Put your heart into it [Sahaja Yogis were singing Jerusalem]. And then you must say "Amen" after that. You see, it shows how William Blake thought of you people; and he represents that hope for England in this poem that I had about you people. As I had told you that: England is the heart; and the heart has to be first of all established, otherwise Sahaja Yoga is not going to be established. Now the people who live in this country are least believing, I think, in William Blake as you all do. (Inaudible) [This poem shows] Very clearly what hopes William Blake had. He could see the vision very clearly and he said that England has to become the Jerusalem. In Sanskrit language it’s called as "tirtha". Tirtha means a pilgrimage place, a place where pilgrims come in. And this indication here, of this poem, which is so beautifully written by William Blake, shows that he saw the vision of Sahaja Yoga prospering in England in this beautiful manner. But, as it is, this heart is so materially bound. There’s so much of materialism that has come into our veins even. And we have to realize that we have to get it out of our mind, out of our body. It has gone into us so much, the materialistic approach towards life, that we have to really take a strong action against it. It’s so much that anybody who comes to this country also becomes materialistic. Imagine [the] heart becoming a matter. Think of [the] heart becoming a stone. And today on a day when you are here to worship Me as a Guru. My desire is only one and that is that you all should become gurus yourself. Now I have struggled for seven years here to build you up and all the struggle that is described has been done single-handed to begin with and then so many of you joined. But when you join Me you have to realize that you have to really transform yourself. You have to know that you are, first of all, realized souls. Which, also, very few people really realize and are aware, I think, that they are realized souls. They are not the other, mundane, type of people, ordinary people. They are Realized souls. So as it is they have to get out off this shell in which they have been living. The ideas of securities, that you have had so far, come to you all from materialism if you study yourself correctly. Everything is trickling down to you that is materialism. How many people read William Blake? How many understand him and how many believe in him? And then how many follow him? He is a lost poet of this country. After getting realization, unless and until the people of England understand that they have to completely transform themselves into a new awareness of understanding that: you are now realized souls, you are part and parcel of the whole and you are aware of it. Firstly, materialism crawls into you in so many ways. Because there has been industrial revolution. People have created many things. Matter has been comforting you and you got used to matter. You just can’t do without it. A small thing say for example - you must have a paper napkin, or you must have a glove. This is the minimum of minimum. But see, how many countries use these things? How many people in the world use these things? It is not needed for the body. By this over preservation of yourself and by this domination of matter upon yourself, you have really become delicate darlings, absolutely delicate darlings. Like if you go to Himalayas take it. I went to Bhowali and other places like Nainita. They are, all the time, colder than London, and there are peaks which are, all the time, covered with snow and the people there never use shoes or socks, never. They take their baths everyday with cold water, every day! You’ll be amazed every one of them, they have rosy cheeks, they are not pale, they are healthy people. Their women folk carry all the wood, all the way up the hill. God has made your body in such a way that it can bear up lots of things. Of course now, suddenly, an Englishman cannot become a Pahadi, means a man living on the hills, that I understand. You cannot suddenly become that. But gradually try to give up certain things that you think so important in life. Try! One day it may pain, second day it may pain. Because unless and until you make really great effort to get rid of materialistic body and mind, you cannot be alright. And this is the biggest stumbling block for the western seekers. You have to get out of that cocoon, as I said. The whole transmutation has to take place. Every time you ask anyone, he’s catching still. How can you become Gurus? I mean your Guru can live in whatever conditions, as I told you the other day. Now there are some Indians here, ask them if they can wash their hands in washbasins with the water in it. Ask any Indian. They just can’t do it. They can’t use paper only, they just can’t live with the paper only. They just can’t live like that. Impossible. I can’t think of one Indian who can do that. Even in the poorest conditions in England they cannot do it. They might have lived here for twenty-five years I can assure you, they just can’t do it. They can’t live without baths. You may tell them a hundred times that “you take your bath once a week,” it’s impossible. Two weeks is out of question, they will die. Even if they have got lung cancer they will take. But you have seen Me, how much I can adjust. Though all my life I’ve lived in India. I can live under any circumstances, I can live in Indian villages. In any circumstances I can live. So the other day also I told you, and again I tell you, first of all get out you this mala, this filth of materialism. Indians also become materialistic when they come to England. For them money is important, nothing else. They have no time for anything else but for money. It’s a fact. Anybody who touches this land becomes money possessed. If you tell them that money’s not everything they can’t understand, they go mad. Morning till evening they are also running in the rat race. Now you have to change, you have to come out of it. You have to stand out and see for yourself that you are no more one of these mad people who run after matter. And you leave each and every thing, every particle of it here and die; again you are born, again you are doing the same thing. You have to run away from comfort. You must learn how to overcome your comforts. You must train your body. Little noise here and there. Englishman, I am saying Englishman because we are in England. Americans are much worse. Any noise fifty percent would die with any blasting they hear. Just by hearing. They are so sensitive. I mean they have made their bodies, their everything, so sensitive that they are really dainty darlings. And can you imagine, read the second part of it loudly. Second part of it you just read it. Where is the second part now? Gavin - just read it. Read it out loudly and see for yourself with these dainty darlings how am I going to do this. Gavin: “Bring me my Bow of burning gold. Bring me my arrows of desire.” Shri Mataji: What is going to happen? You have no answer. Gavin: “Bring me my spear Oh, clouds unfold. Bring me my chariot of fire.” Shri Mataji: Of fire? You can’t sit even on a chariot. (Laughter) Really! Because it shakes and you have to hold it tight and you have to stand erect with it. Gavin: “I will not cease from mental fight nor shall my sword sleep in my hand. Till we have built Jerusalem in England’s green and pleasant land.” Shri Mataji: I think better give swords into everybody’s hand. Let’s see how many can hold it straight. You see Sahaja Yoga is not a simple thing like dish washing. It’s a very serious thing and on certain things you are very well equipped, but on certain things where you are not equipped, that must be sustained. Your strong points are your strong points so forget about them. Whatever are your weak points, hit them there. I mean mentally you are very well equipped. If I have to argue with you I will give up. I really can’t because you are very knowledgeable people. You have read all the books of the world, you are over read. You are too great. But, as far as your body is concerned, your body is a slave of matter. In a way your mind is also a slave of matter. So to understand that we have to be great gurus, first of all a guru has to go through a great discipline of self-emancipation, self-emancipation. Great discipline is needed. And the great discipline of self-emancipation is, first of all, we must get rid of the idea of comfort. You can’t sit on the chair? Alright. You can’t sit on a particular chair? Sit on that chair everyday till that chair breaks completely. You cannot sit on the ground? Sit on the ground, everyday. You can’t live without one thing? Try to do that. That’s how you make your body alright. Make your body your slave and not you the slave of the body. Because if you have to become the guru your body should be such that it should just adjust to everything that you want to do, otherwise what’s the use? Imagine you have a car which you cannot handle, will you sit in such a car? You will bash yourself and bash others also and that’s what you are doing. One has to realize that: to overcome this material drag upon yourself, you have to work it out on yourself. Then, once you have controlled this, minimum of minimum, that you can sleep anywhere you feel like. Try to sleep on the ground for a while. That you may do for sun tanning, and people cannot resist all this nonsense because these are ideas put into you. They have exploited you. They have told you that: this should be done, that should be done, this is necessary, that is necessary. They have to sell their goods. Try to sometimes fast. I have prohibited Indians from fasting, because what they do is to fast. At the slightest pretext they fast. I mean, as it is, there is a dearth of food in India - so they fast. What is the need for them to fast? But here it is necessary that people should learn to fast and should not get attracted towards food so much. I mean the attraction towards food, also, is a sign that your senses are just driving you mad, isn’t it? Think of it. Now separate yourself from your senses and see how it drives you mad. First of all the body, then the senses we should attack. The biggest enemy we have is our own tongue. It acts in two ways. One is the taste. The food - taste. And the second way it attacks is the way we talk. Either we don’t talk or when we talk we just hit. We cannot be kind. We cannot be compassionate. We cannot communicate our heart to anyone. Control your tongue. First of all try to control your tongue on those two things. You want to eat a cake then don’t eat cake for a year. This is the only way you can train your tongue, I really tell you. Now if you say something harsh all the time, say you have a way of speaking some sort of an abuse,[then] try to change it. Try to change. Try to make your speech a sweet one. Make it a beautiful one, attractive. You cannot be a guru in Sahaja Yoga, I can tell you, with a sharp tongue. Those gurus are finished. We had gurus before, they used to just sit with a big stick in the hand. To anybody coming, first they would give twenty-five nice ones. Still if the fellow would stick on, then they would say, “Alright now come closer to me.” Then they may slap him twice. If he could bear that, I mean they could go to any limit of torturing their disciples, they would put the disciple upside down, in a well and pull him up and again dip him down, pull him and dip him down - eleven times. And still if he survived then he would help. They used to take physical test. I mean their disciples had to be really wrestlers, very healthy people, having a lot of resistance and stamina, otherwise they would not take. And they said “Erya gabaliyatze karma no ahe” – “it’s not the job for any Dick, Tom and Harry.” Thus they would only select one person. They would make him sit on the thorns or on the nails. Actually there were seats of nails. These people were made to sit on the seats like that. I mean I’m not telling you lies, you can find out. And they used to treat them as if they are on a suicide squad, absolutely like that. The determination had to be like that. Then they would accept them as a disciple, not as a guru still. Then beating them nicely morning till evening. You have heard of Mr. Ravi Shankar, a great sitarist. I remember My father was a political adviser to the king where his guru, Allaudin Khan Sahib, used to live. And I remember that day when I was in college and he was also young, might be slightly younger to Me in age, or maybe, I don’t know what was his age that time. But he was studying with this fellow, this guru of his and we went there. So My father was a great connoisseur of music and his guru used to respect My father. So he asked, that, “Why don’t you play?” My father asked, to Ravi Shankar. He said, “Sir please,” his eyes came out, He pleaded. He was so frightened! Then his guru played. You see, he used to play on Mridangam(actually Pakhawaj) that’s a kind of double tabla, a double percussion. He was a great genius, then he went away for something. So Ravi Shankar crawled up to My father. He said, “Sir never ask me, before my guru, to play. You see?” Then he lifted his hair and showed a big bulge was there. “You see, this I got yesterday for playing one note [wrong]. My sitar was broken and this (bump) I’ve got instead of the sitar! This is my guru’s Prasad. So please for heaven’s sake”. Still he stuck on to him. And you can see the results today he’s Ravi Shankar. But you have a Guru who is a Mother. I never hit you, I don’t think I have hit anyone. You got your Realization. In all my compassion I looked after you. I have given you compassion. I’ve never asked for anything nor have I complained for anything or grudged for anything. I have been extremely, extremely, extremely patient with you. So, you have to be My prototype. You are a guru in Sahaja Yoga in this Maha Yoga, you are not a guru of this type who can only create one disciple in twenty-one thousand years, sort of a thing. You have got the knowledge of Kundalini much more than any one of these gurus have got. You have the powers much more than any one of these gurus have. Indiscriminately, this power has been given to you. Now only those who will come up and grow as proper trees will be called as gurus. And that is why one has to know how to grow properly as a guru. First of all, you must give up all materialistic attitude towards Sahaja Yoga. Many, many Sahaja Yogis even have an idea that it should be used for certain purposes. You see, that it should house us, it should give us some place to live in. Some people have an absurd idea that it should also provide us food, free. That it should not touch, at all, our married life. We can have our plans with our married life the way we like. We can lead absolutely, a very selfish, self-centred married life. Also, some people have an idea that we are not to spend a single pie for Sahaja Yoga but take all the advantages out of it. Such people should never hope to become gurus. They may try to show off but they’ll go down. You have to learn humility. First of all, you have to be humble people. Unless and until you have a large heart, you can never humble down. You have to be an extremely humble person. Humility doesn’t mean that you bow to a person who is dominating, it never means that. But it means a strength within you. The person who is weak can never be humble. He can never bear the load like this Mother Earth bears our load so well, because she’s so great. You have to be strong enough within yourself to bear the load of your disciples, of people who try to follow you. Humility should be that: “I was like them, absolutely like them. I was nothing. Without Sahaja Yoga what was I?” I mean you may be the governor of some place, all right, so what? Before God’s eyes, what are you? Nothing, nobody knows who you are. You may be having cars and anything. You might be a very educated anything. What does it matter in the name [“realm”?] of God? You have known that saints have not been so educated. Christ never went to any university, did he? All these ideas that we have got of our greatness must be absolutely made zero. The greatness is in humility and sweetness. Speak something that will be dear to others, that would be appealing to them in a proper discriminating diplomatic manner. Some people in the name of honesty just are sadistic, or useless. You can talk to people nicely, say something, in such a way that they feel attracted towards you. That they feel that there is complete humility, that you accept them as they are because you want to give them. All kinds of subtler arrogance also develops in people, I have seen. I can’t understand how people develop this kind of arrogance. Like, supposing somebody knows how to do the puja, take an XYZ. He becomes so arrogant. If somebody knows some Sanskrit he becomes arrogant. If, say, somebody comes to see Me more often than others, she becomes arrogant. Somebody manages a hall, he becomes arrogant. Or somebody programs something, he becomes arrogant. Anything you do, first thing that happens is, in your tongue, you develop a big ego like that. You become a sharp tongued person. Cut your tongue many a times. Punish it. It has no business to be like that because it is not going to serve the purpose for which it is there. A guru’s vani is so great that every word he speaks is a mantra. Every sentence he says opens a complete universe. It should be that powerful and that beautiful not to close down anybody’s heart. You speak to someone, the other person says, “Oh God never see his face.” Sahaja Yoga depends on you more than it depends on Me. You have to change. You have to change yourself very much more. Just by taking up some sort of a role or assuming something great you are not going to progress at all. Supposing a little bush says, “I am a tree.” Will it become a tree? Supposing it behaves like a tree will it become a tree? It has to become the tree then there is no need to behave, you are a tree. A woman walks like a woman and a man walks like a man. If you behave like a woman will you become a woman? It has to be innate. It has to be within us. If you are a guru you are a guru anybody can see and say, “Ah that’s a guru.” Then you can do lots of things. We are not willing to give up these things, that’s why we go on catching on the same point, catching on the same point. At least those who are here should decide today that we are going to change ourselves completely. Let us start on the changing. We meet others, we greet others, talk to them. We should be able to talk. There are some people who just don’t know how to talk. They just don’t talk, they are all the time - never heard their voice. If they telephone I can’t even recognize because I’ve never heard their voices before. You must talk. Open out. What is there to have fear? Humility doesn’t mean fear, it means complete love. You must talk, open out, be interesting. Try to do something for others. I have been saying this again and again. You have to all become gurus. I am just a Mother. And Mother is the first and the last guru for everyone. That’s how I’m your Guru and I’m the Guru of all the Gurus. But you have to become your own guru. And for that you have to think that you have to hold swords in your hand. Not only to hold swords in your hand, you have teach others to hold the swords. What should be the character of that man who has to guide others? He himself cannot hold the sword in his hand. What is he going to teach to others? You just tell Me that - a simple question. At least you should have that personality that can hold the sword in the hand. So the first thing one has to know is to absolutely enslave your body and enslave your senses. You can give justification. I know people know how to give justification. “I said this because he said that.” It’s not that. It is you who do not know that you are harming yourself. Try to get out of it. You are asking but now you have to face, you have to give. This asking is over now, finished. You’ve got everything. You are not aware you have got everything now within yourself. Just reverse the position and you can give to others. But if you’re hankering still, worried about these nonsensical things then nobody is going to respect you. I would suggest one thing, that: take to detachment. In a way a sanyasa absolutely a sanyasa. You know I am a sanyasi. Though I live in a household and all that, I am not bothered about things. I am a sanyasi, but the day I will announce that I have taken a sanyasa people will be much more impressed by Me than they are today. If a person is over attached to things, attached to money, attached to this, that, and all those things, such a person is not going to impress others in spiritual matters. You can be a nice prime minister of England, but you have no place in Sahaja Yoga if you do not have a way of detachment. That doesn’t mean that you become hippies by any chance- not at all. But it means that you become detached. Specially it is very important for you to develop that – a detachment. Detach yourself from things that you are supposed to be possessing. I can tell you, you cannot take anything with you. Can you? We know that we are not going to take. Now you are aware of it, that you’re not going to take, also. It’s not that you are not aware. Then why are you attached? All kinds of disgraceful behavior ensues when you are attached. Become a sanyasi. It doesn’t mean you wear that yellow or red and all kinds of horrible dresses. But from inside you become a sanyasi. That’s the best way you conquer your void. The void question first comes because of wrong guru. Of course, no doubt about it. If you have been to a wrong guru then the void will be very, very bad no doubt. Because you have followed a wrong guru you will always have to remember that you have to follow the right Guru, out and out. Absolute full surrendering otherwise it will never go down. And if you start sort of “Yes I know, Mother is alright,” this kind of thing will not work out. You have to go all out to accept the right Guru if you have a void problem. And this void problem is so deep, is so deep that, first of all, it indicates Ekadasha Rudra. Ekadasha Rudra is a very dangerous thing because it can give you from left to right all kinds of funny things, even cancer, epilepsy, all kinds of diseases. So those who have been to other gurus have to go all out to neutralize it on the void part. And for them it is necessary to really decide to become a sanyasi. In the sense that - don’t get attached to material things too much. Because from these gurus all kinds of things have come to you. Some people might have picked up bad things like telling lies. You see, even I’ve seen people who go to these gurus can pick up some sort of a horrible intrigue; intriguing nature. Anything they can pick up. I have seen people who have been to gurus. They have such horrible spirits in them that, when they come to Sahaja Yoga also, they intrigue with Sahaja Yogis. They intrigue! You see [whether] their bhoots intrigue or they intrigue - God alone knows, but go on intriguing against Sahaja Yoga. They talk to people against Sahaja Yoga they do this, they are not aware. And their void goes out again and again. So for anyone who has followed any such things, any practices of this kind or even self-meditation or anything like, must get to it and see to it that you really surrender fully to the right Guru. Fully, hundred percent. Complete obedience. Not to judge or not to even ask questions. That would help very much in the void. But I can tell you spirituality is such great thing that, if you accept that kind of obedience, it fills you up with such powers, tremendous powers. Obedience is the key of becoming the best guru. If you do not know how to respect, nobody is going to respect you. If you have not been under any command you cannot command anyone. Surrendering is the best way for void people especially. First of all you must surrender completely, blindly you can say. Just jump into it. Do not reason it out. Complete surrendering. Once you have done that you will be surprised how you’ll be so blessed with the powers of a guru that you’ll rise to heights and you will do all that William Blake has said. Because it is like a drop submerging into the ocean and becoming the ocean. And you know the ocean is the Guru, not a drop. It’s the ocean and the ocean has everything in it. So we have to learn from the ocean to be the ocean by becoming the ocean yourself. I have told you in many ways how it is important that we have to have many gurus of Sahaja Yoga. But if Sahaja fails it fails because of Sahaja Yogis not because of Me, always. What I hear, “Mother we went there, there were two Sahaja Yogis they were very rude to us so we would like to talk to you and not to them.” It’s very common. Or a fight between the two Sahaja Yogis or a misunderstanding or all sorts of things between sahaja yogis. You are the reflection of Sahaja Yoga. You are the mirrors, not Me. You have to reflect Sahaja Yoga. So first of all you have to become good reflectors – the good gurus. Now look at these gurus who move about. They have millions and millions of disciples except that they are crooks of the first order. They have no other qualifications to be gurus. They have no idea of Kundalini they cannot raise Kundalini. They are not even holy people leave alone anything else. They don’t deserve to enter into any temple of God leave alone His Kingdom. They are from hell and they have mesmerized people and they have got their disciples. You can also [raise the Kundalini], just through your character and through your abilities as Sahaja Yogis, which are tremendous. Even those who are great gurus in India cannot raise the Kundalini the way you can raise. Under their finger? They can’t believe it. It’s Shri Ganesha’s powers you have got. Look at the surrendering of Shri Ganesha. Look at His surrendering. Completely surrendered to his Mother. Who is wiser than Him? And in His wisdom He has chosen complete surrender to His Mother. To Him His Mother is Guru, She is Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha everything, even SadaShiva is Her, - His Mother; nothing else. And his power of Kundalini raising is within you. You’ve got it. You are made after his power. He is holiness, he’s auspicious, he’s innocence. A guru has to be innocent, has to be an innocent person. His innocence can be crafty. But innocence should be crafty, he should not be crafty. Innocence is the power which works the craftiness. It’s the Krishna shakti. It does. It works out. Suddenly you face it. You try anything it will be there. And he depends on his powers and not on his own methods of maneuvering things. But how many of you are religiously working it out morning, evening, every moment of life? How many of you are thinking that we are on the path of becoming full fledged gurus of Sahaja Yoga and nothing else. You are nothing else but that. How many of you decide like that? Every moment. It’s very easy just to say, “Oh it’s alright I don’t believe in it.” Then what are you going to do? What are you without Sahaja Yoga? Think of it. You can say, “I don’t want to do it.” You’ll have to do it. You are in it now. You better do it. You have to do it fast. For heavens sake better do it fast. Achieve it! You have all the powers believe Me, you have all the powers. Believe Me, you are better than all these gurus put together. But be humble, do not talk big. And do not become silent bores also. I mean some of them are real silent bores. They cannot be gurus I can tell you this much. That’s another quality. They’re absolutely boring people. Nobody wants to stay with them. I mean, you have to have people around to be a guru, you can’t be a guru of yourself! (laughter). If everybody says, “Oh, he’s such a boring person,” nobody will be there. You have to be interesting. You have to be interesting. You have to be dynamic. You should know some stories here and there. You have to make them laugh. They should enjoy you. This is Sahaja Yoga guruship. You see for such boring gurus one or two would stick on if they are equally boring or more boring. But such gurus are not going to help us in Sahaja Yoga. They are not. You have to be joyous, cheerful, helpful, understanding, concerned. You have to be concerned about others. You have to behave in a way that they feel that you are the security for them. But that doesn’t mean that you get after one person. You see, everything you tell them goes into some sort of a mad mould, I don’t know how it happens - whatever I say. For example, I say you should be concerned. Here I find that people start then, “Alright I am concerned.” So they start working on a person. And then they’ll come, “Mother my left hand is finished. Why? I was working on such a person.” Why? What was the need? You need not. That’s not your job. Let them also work. You must know how to make them work also. Otherwise, you see these lazy lumps will use you all the time. Let them also, tell them to get up and work, arise. Why can’t they work it out? They can work it out themselves. But then don’t tell them, “Now you work it out.” Not like that. Then another extreme can start. You should say, “Now see, you have a left side problem and I don’t think that you should make me work it out. I think you can work it out, lets see. I too had the same time type, let’s work it out. You better put your left hand towards the photograph, put right hand outside. Do this way that way. Beat yourself. Left side is Adi Shakti’s this thing. You can ask for Mahakali’s powers it can be worked out.” Give him all the knowledge say, “Now try, try yourself.” Because if you’re obliging too much also, then you make them dwarfs, you see. You have to be a tree which makes others grow into trees and not to make them dwarfs under it. You see, no grass can even grow under such trees, leave alone trees. Even the grass can’t grow if the trees are of this type. So you should be actually the tree of brilliance, of sun, sun’s rays. From you the sun’s rays should flow and they should grow. Not to obstruct every growth of your disciples. What sort of a guru could he be, whose disciples are all toddlers or still sucking their thumbs? So you should be a guru of a caliber that makes others grow too. I have hopes that my disciples will grow more than I am. I have hopes we’ll see that. That’s my desire, that’s what I want, that my disciples should grow. I mean, that will be my pride. Like Ganesha grew more than His own Mother, who created Him. That’s what is My desire. And that’s what I want you to realize that you are the hope of the world. Either you should not have taken birth in England. If you have taken, you have more responsibility not to be English and to be universal, because you have taken birth in the heart of the universe. You cannot be small-minded. You cannot be chicken-hearted. Either you are frightened or you are aggressive - this is an impossible situation. You have to be so strong that nothing should make you frightened, and such a person is the most benevolent personality. He’s not frightened of anyone, why should he harm anyone? Today, I hope you people really don’t listen to my lecture but put it in your heart, and understand that you have to become very dignified majestic gurus of this universe. I would like to ask William Blake what is he doing. When is he going to take his birth on this earth? When people of his caliber are going to be born in this country, or they are all running away again to some other place to be born? Marriage system of England is wretched. You cannot adopt those methods that these people are having. You want to have the great people to be born to you and every time you are running towards the divorce cases. How can they be born in this country? You have to give up all these wretched systems of this country. The good of this country should be taken, whatever is good in it, and transform this country into a beautiful thing. I mean if you really love this country then create it into a lovable place, isn’t it? You must try to destroy all that is retarding the progress, the spiritual progress of this country if you are a real Englishman. Real is the word. You should not be proud of all the weaknesses that have crawled up in all these hills and dales. All unholy thoughts, all inauspicious behaviors, all must be discarded. We are not that.

7/20/1981

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Public Program. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 20 July 1981. There are some guests from Hong Kong now let them sit down. Sahaja Yoga is such a fantastic thing that, when people get their realisation, they can't even believe that they have got it, first of all. The other day I had a minister from one of the countries, and his wife, and he’s suffering from some mental trouble. And when we raised his Kundalini he started feeling a tremendous cool breeze in the hand and cool breeze coming out of his head. He just couldn't believe his eyes! He couldn't believe it. He said, “What's all this?” I said, “How are you feeling?” He said, “I am so relaxed that I can't think of anything! Just I can't think. I have never been like this. This is a new thing that has happened to me!” Now we have to understand also, logically, certain things about Sahaja Yog - this I am explaining for people, those who will be now going out, and speaking about Sahaja Yoga to other people - and how to deal with people who are intellectuals. It’s important to understand what are the hurdles they have, by which they do not want to receive the message of Sahaja Yoga and what are the barriers that really create a problem for them before and after. Now we’ll deal with people who are Western people, we can say. They can be also Indians, they can be Asians, they can be anybody - but who are more of a Western mind than of the Eastern mind. So the first thing that we'll confront is that you’ll have a mixture of people who will come to you. There'll be people who will be seekers, ardent seekers, and there will be people who have been hurt and mesmerised by some ‘gurus’ or something, some sort of a spiritualist and this and that. We will get fanatics also, who might be seekers themselves. And there could be some people who could be absolutely fake also, because it's a fashion these days. In a party, [if] you go: I mean, I live with people who are supposed to be very elite, and mix up with them, and whenever they talk I find they talk of seeking. It’s surprising! They’ll be taking wines and alcohols, this and that, and [when] it comes to politics then they will say, “Oh, but there has to be some sort of a self-realisation about it!” Or they will say, “We have to understand it rather deeply from a divine point of view.” Or some sort of a thing they will hint at. So they are thinking of some breakthrough that has to take place. I mean, it is coming to them, maybe, through their unconscious, maybe through their logic. They are arriving at a conclusion that something has to happen and we are still confused because we haven't found the Absolute. But despite that, among them I find, as it is the topic of the day, sort of a thing among people, luckily it is the topic. I mean, even if they talk of economics it comes to that. Then, among them, how many of them are really the seekers or they are just doing it because everybody is talking of fashions and things. Like, I have never been to a racecourse, for example, and then everybody is talking about racecourse, so you feel so out of place and backward. You look so backward in that society so you just go and read something about it and discuss with others and say, “Oh alright, this I know. I know one jockey. I know this, that,” just to impress others. That, also, kind of people are existing. Of course, these people live day to day. They are not going to come to Sahaja Yoga so easily. They live on day to day basis. “Today we had this party, went to that party, came out and enjoyed this, met this gentleman.” “I know this man, that man...” all sorts of things goes on. And I think they finish their lives in this day to day basis. Wages that they get out of life, they finish .They don't think of the beyond. They don't think that there’s something else, more, to their lives and that thinking is not there but, just as a fashion, they may talk about these things. Of course among them there are seekers, no doubt. [Among] them also there are seekers. But seekers are mostly not very successful people, because they do not find success so alluring, so tempting, so magnetic. To them it’s quite vivid and quite clear-cut that those who are supposed to be very successful - in life, in any field, say in money matters or say in politics or anywhere - they find that they are rather eccentric; if not eccentric, [that] they are a bit dominating. Or sometimes they find that they are very ambitious and that they little bit try to put down others by their eminence or whatever success they have got. So all these things come into the mind of a seeker who doesn't try much for his material success or doesn't talk much for his, also, intellectual success. He may read a lot just to find out what is the Truth. That's a different sort of a seeking. That's not material seeking. But that's what so many Sahaja yogis who have been here have done also, that they have read too much. So you confront such people, a mixture of such people together. But you have to be prepared for every type. Because God has made this World with very [great] care. But lots of variations, permutations and combinations are there. As I told you last time, there are three permutations and combinations. The first is the power of desire which is on the left-hand side. Second is the power of action or willpower you can say, which is on the right-hand side. And the central one is the evolutionary one, third one. So we have these powers and these three create three moods. The first one is called as Tamoguna, right one is Rajoguna and the middle one as the Satvoguna. So the combinations and permutations of these three gunas create different human beings and accordingly their styles are and their seekings are, and accordingly they fall a trap to people who try to seduce them. Now the people on the left-hand side are more addicted to habits. Like, if they take to alcohol, they'll become alcoholics. If they take to smoking, they'll become chimneys, sort of thing, and they go to the extremes of the left. And their willpower, which is a right side [power], the will, starts going down very much and they cannot overpower their desires, these habits. The habits become desires, you see. Then, to add to that also, when they see that, by doing action, people have brought forth wars - this is super-intellectual way of looking at life, you see - that, “What have we done? We have created atom bomb by thinking. We have killed so many people. We have done this, we have done that. All wrong things we have done by taking action. So it's better to go into inaction, absolutely inaction.” So when they think of these things and why this materialistic world and all this creation and all that we have done - because of that we have aggressed other countries - so better go into inaction. Such people become prone to the left-hand side more then they take to drugs and things. And also alcohol goes hand in hand with too much use of willpower because if you use too much of willpower you get so frightened of your ego and your action, that you want to relax on to the left-hand side . Now the habit formation takes place, maybe from very childhood, and then the willpower is diminishing gradually when that habit becomes sort of a part and parcel of your being. Like, you see, in the Western modern society, to flirt is a habit. Flirting is definitely a habit. It's not an innate need of a person, it is just a habit that is formed. And in a society when it is accepted that, “Oh, it's nice to impress men and nice to impress women,” it becomes a pastime for many people and, even when they are grown up, they cannot get rid of it, even if they are old, up to the grave time, they go about with it. They just can't get out of it because it becomes such a habit and obsession and the society also supports it. So the whole thing starts becoming a habit and you become so weak with it that you just cannot do it with your willpower even if you try, you justify it, “Oh, I enjoy it!” Like a lady who had cancer. I was treating her and I said, “You may have to give up your alcohol.” She said, “But I like my sherry, at least.” I said, “Now what to do?” She likes means everything is justified. “I enjoy my whisky,” she said. So I said, “Now what am I to do?” I mean, she'll have to enjoy her cancer also! But we enjoy the thing that brings you disease, but not the disease. And if we understand it clearly that these habits give us problems which are most agonising, most troublesome, they give you such bad effects in later lives that you rather have no habits and enjoy your life than to have these so-called enjoyable habits. Now people might say, “What happens with flirting?” You might say. It's a very simple question, you see. You'll be surprised - those people who flirt too much lose their memory very fast. Their memory will be lost. Because your attention is moving all the time, your eyes are moving, you know the Swadishthana Chakra works so much. Your memory will be very weak. Apart from that, your attention will be very weak, too, your concentration will be very weak and you will age very fast because when you are using your eyes for a habit…your eyes for the habit, imagine! I mean, nobody could think of that but Christ must have seen it. That's why He said, “Thou shall not have adulterous eyes.” He must have seen that part. So when you start using your eyes, you see, for something that is desire, to that extent, I mean, I don't know if any desire is fulfilled or not, because I don't know what it gives you, or gives anyone. It's not easy to understand. But whatever it is, if it is used for a purpose which is not going to fail. For example, supposing I use this glass for something like making a light out of it or something, it will break. It is not supposed to do that. So if you start using something for a purpose for which it is not meant, your attention can become very weak because your eyes are meant to see. And after your realisation, your eyes are to witness. They give you the witness state. After realisation, with your eyes you just witness, the complete witnessing. Like now I witness you people. Just I am witnessing you, nothing [else]. I don't want anything from you, only I am witnessing as you are, all of you. And what I am witnessing is the beauty that you have, is what you are created as, I am just seeing that. And the complete joy that is you, which the Creator had in creating you, is absolutely one with me. I’m just witnessing that, seeing you. Nothing more or nothing less. Now when, supposing, I use My eyes for looking at a person with the idea of possessing it, possessing a person, which I cannot. I cannot possess anything, you know. I mean for all, for all rational people must understand you cannot possess anything. Now I want to possess a person, and you look at a person with the idea of possessing. By looking at a person I don't know how you can possess when even binding a person, you cannot possess - when you die you have to leave everyone here. So this kind of a game when it goes on, your attention becomes very, very low. And I have seen people have such horrible memories that one person rang me up, talked to me for half an hour and asked me, “What should I do for the memory?” So I said, “Alright, you put your right side on the left-hand side, try to control it, do this and do that.” He lost his memory not because of that but because of hatha yoga that he did (laughing). I mean there are so many ways by which you can really lose your memory but one of them is definitely this. So I told him, “You put your right to the left all the time and try to balance it.” When we put right to the left what we do? We put our willpower on our habits. So again he rang me up. So I asked - somebody was there - I said now, “Please, I talked to him for half an hour and I am really tired now, can you ask him what is it, what does he want.” So he said, “No I, because I forgot everything whatever Mataji told me.” I said, “Again half an hour more?” (laughing) I said, “Next time you put a tape recorder when I talk to you, will be a better idea.” So this is what happens. And at a very early age also people can start. One of the reasons I am saying. It doesn't mean that everybody who loses memory, loses because of this. But one of the most important things is that, to keep yourself normal, try to avoid any habits that are forming, by denying something - it’s the best way. There is a very good poet, very well known poet in India who has written a nice couplet which I liked. He says that, “Whatever this heart wants to see, you better not see.” You see, better deny it. Because if it does again and again that means there is some sort of a spirit or some sort of a nonsense that is pulling you out. So, any habit, any habit or any addiction, say you are addicted to anything. Supposing you are addicted, say, to a piece of jewellery you have - never wear it. Still you feel like wearing it too much - donate it, give it to somebody. Because there is nothing so important than your Self. But you will be surprised when you start denying it, playing with your mind, playing with your desires, whatever you want to have, you say, “Alright, we'll have it,” and just don't have it. For example you are going to a restaurant. You want to eat something. I don't know what you people like. But say you want to eat something special, anything, I don't know the names so much, there you go and you just end up with a bread, finished! You have to play with yourself after realisation. And it breaks then the link of that addiction that is one of the very subtle conditions we have within ourselves. So today, as I am talking to you about the seekers who come to you, they have habits. They have habits. Say, we had six people who were drug addicts. I used to call them ‘druggists and chemists’, you see. First they could not even see me, they said they just see light coming out of me because their Agnya was spoiled so they couldn't see anything. And all sorts of things happened with them. Then some of them felt that their soul is coming out, and the body is left there, they are seeing me from there. And all sorts of things, all experiences they have had with all kinds of drugs they had taken. They had taken the left-sided, the right-sided - oh, everything they had tried, you see. Now to talk about drug was really blasphemous! I just couldn't talk to them in the beginning. If I had said anything they would have really shut me out. So the person who has to tell to them should never directly come on that point that, “Don't take drugs!” That’s one thing one has to remember that, when such people approach you, you should never start talking against that. I mean you'll be boxed for nothing at all and all Sahaja Yoga will go down. So for a druggist, supposing he comes to you, what should we do? What should we do to help? So we should start talking like this, that, “I was also a druggist,” even if you are not, you may say that - there is no harm in telling them - because if you do that way you smooth the way. There is no harm in telling little lies just to bring them up to the truth, you see. You have to stoop down, is to say that, “I was a druggist.” Or you can say, “My father was a druggist,” or somebody nearest to you, whom you know, so that they do not get angry with you, you see. Because they are seekers, the trouble is, they are seekers. These habits have come to them because they were seeking and they went deep down into that seeking. In that seeking they took to drugs and that's how they have become drug addicts. So now they are not normal people and if you just talk to them in a normal way, as you would talk to a normal person, you can never save them. Now you are here out to save them. So the best thing is to talk to them in such a manner, that they try to understand you. First you identify yourself with them, you stoop down to their style of life, and then talk to them. That's a very good way of really bringing them nearer you and a very compassionate way of approaching. Or you can say a Mother has to give the castor oil then she gives it in a chocolate. So approach that way. You'll be amazed, you can overcome their habits. Because Kundalini when She rises, She herself corrects them. They start feeling terrible pain and left side and then they feel completely their left side, no vibrations coming out and all sorts of things they feel. And they start understanding it also, and Kundalini herself goes and clears them out, makes them happy, so that they do not take to these things. Because a person when he’s bored, when he has more time to think about other things, he takes to these things. So there is no time because you become timeless, you go beyond time with realisation. That's how you can overcome the left side. Also you can raise your right side and put it to the left side. By raising the right side is, you are raising your willpower and give it to them. But if you tell somebody, who is a drunkard, "You must have your willpower. You must have your willpower." He said, “Yes, yes, I promise, I promise, I promise.” Next day he comes there. “Eaaah”, “How are you?” then again finished! All promises are broken in five minutes as soon as he sees a bottle. That means all these promises are not supported by his willpower. So no use taking promises from him. Instead of that, try to raise his right side. If you raise his right side and put it to the left side, so the willpower takes over and can help that person to overpower his desire. Because he is a seeker and he deserves all that attention, all that care, all that minute method of helping him out, even if he does not get realisation. You know so many people who have been alcoholics have been completely cured by Sahaja Yoga. So for all such people you have to have patience and no anger for them at all because they themselves are in a pitiable state. Imagine of a person, who is alcoholic on the street. Just think of such a person who is just on the street thrown by all his people outside. With these people, if you try to be harsh with them, they’ll never give up. But do not sympathise with them that, “Whatever you are doing, alright, alright, go ahead with it.” But in your own Sahaja Yoga method, if you can raise the right to the left, the superego goes down and the ego comes up. When it comes to the centre, raise the Kundalini, and the Kundalini will come up and I am sure he can overcome that. But for this you have to have patience, you have to do it again and again. Now this we have been confronting many a times. But the whole approach should be of tremendous patience, as I said, of tremendous concern about them. These people have gone to that extreme also because nobody has any concern. After a certain limit, people just give them up. That's how they are lost. Now the people who are from lunatic asylum, say: for example we get people directly from lunatic asylum, certified mad. Imagine! To our programs we get. And what do we do with these mad people? We can get angry and ask them to get out, but they are seekers. This is your duty to see that they get realisation. It's very important that they should get realisation, they should not be lost. It’s very simple to cure them, is to put their willpower over their desires or over their left side. It's the left side drag that has taken them to this lunatic state. Maybe a person who is emotionally very disturbed from childhood, he has a left side problem. Like he had no mother, or the mother was very severe or a step-mother. And all the left side problems as you understand are there. Or he has had a very bad time with his wife. Or he had an emotional problems, he suffered a lot. All such people you see, sort of, resign in life and they become that kind and they become mad. When they cannot bear it more, they become mad, because it’s an escape, it's an arrangement made by nature itself, so that you do not face it. When you are mad, you don't know what's happening, you are not aware of it. Imagine to be mad and to be aware, what a problem it will be. That's why nature does for them. And our only duty is to raise their right side and put it to the left side and raise their Kundalini, which gives them the realisation by which the vital energy start flowing into him and he can feel alright. This is a very, very important thing which can be done. Now a person who is more ego oriented - we should find out what sort we are - you can help such people much more than a person who himself is a left-handed, because two crying babies will sit down and cry. But an ego-oriented person has a system built in within himself that he dominates. So he has to learn how to put his right [side] down and his left up. So the left side should be raised of a person who is ego-oriented. Now let us see the ego-oriented person, what happens to an ego-oriented man. Ego-oriented man develops this habit, supposing from the childhood he is intelligent, he’s sharp, born like that. Then the people put them up, “You have to run the race. You have to run the race. You have to compete in the race. Stand up, stand first, stand first. You must out-beat that. You must out-beat that.” All this competitive life starts. Then he gets into that mad rat race, as you call it. Then he becomes successful, so-called successful. Because of his action also ego develops. Action itself gives a by-product that, “I have done this. I have done this. I have decorated this. I have built this Caxton Hall.” All sorts of things can come into his head. Once it starts building up, "I, I , I , I," this ‘I’ becomes a big balloon on the head and it covers the whole head. I don't mind if it covers only the head part of it. But it also covers the heart. And it makes a person absolutely, can make, absolutely emotionless, the example is Hitler. Absolutely emotionless. There’s no feeling left in such a person, if he goes too far with it. Then he can kill, he can say…he can live by hurting others all the time. Such people all the time hurt. They cannot enjoy other people. They cannot be fond of them. They cannot love, in short. This ego business makes you extremely dry. And everything becomes either money, power, this, that, I mean it’s so dry, everything is dry, you see. “I’ll marry a girl who is a Princess,” supposing somebody says, then you know that ego orientation is there. With this kind of ego orientation, we have had all kinds of wars and all kinds of problems. And ego is added up in a society which is very competitive. I mean there is competition about how you look, how you appear. There are advertisements that, if you smoke a cigar, you see, then you can impress others. Imagine! Madness! I don't know if you smoke a cigar how it impresses. But this is all built in, you know, the whole society has put this into your heads that if you have a cigar in the mouth, you are going in a Mercedes car or you are going in a big this thing, Rolls Royce, then there is prestige. But rationally, let's see, logically, supposing somebody has a Rolls Royce. What does it matter? He is not going to give us. Why should we be impressed? If he is going to give us then naturally we’ll be impressed, alright. But nobody shares anything, you see. They try to impress us by what, for what. Why should we be impressed? After all we are not going to get anything out of it. I mean, he is nicely going Rolls Royce, you are walking down, so why should we feel impressed by it? I just don't understand. But an ego-oriented person always gets impressed by such things. Because they have that slight ego in them and sort of, they see themselves sitting in the same place or whatever it is. I don't know how it works out. I have not experienced that kind of a thing. But it impresses people. Like I remember once, you see, we had a governor in a place where we were living, when I was a small child, you see. So we were going to see the governor because he was a great friend of my father and all that and he always used to walk across and they used to go for a walk. Otherwise also I know him very well. But some people said to my father, some friends of mine, “We want to see the Governor”. He said, “Alright.” He said, “We want to invite him,” “So alright,” he said, “we'll take them.” My father was describing, you know my father was a great realised soul and he described them, he said, “They were so self-conscious that I couldn't help laughing, you see. They were young people and they were so self-conscious. They were going to the Governor. All the time they were putting their ties alright, their coats alright and all the time they were walking like something. They were never like that, you see.” And he said, “I was, I didn't know what to do and I was just feeling that I should tell them that there is nothing, it is to be very much relaxed.” And all of them actually started stammering before and they were such hooligans, I tell you, normally, and it was surprising that they just, for nothing at all, and he was such a simple man. This Governor was such a simple man and they all started stammering and shaking and all sorts of things happened. So my father came and described it to me and we both laughed a lot. And he said, “I don't know what made them think about because he was in a simple dress, he was meet…he met them very informally and he wanted to be friendly but they were so nervous that he didn't know what to do with them. Except that they were conscious that they were meeting such and such person, there was nothing to remind them of that. So it happens if you are ego-oriented, if you see somebody who is ego-oriented, you get impressed - is a character. As the person who is superego oriented [when] he meets another superego, they just combine and they cry together, “Oh, the world is miserable. And we are the two most miserable people crucified by this world,” you see. And the others, they get impressed by each other, you see. This one will praise that and that one will like these people, because he can impress, you see. And there is some mutual admiration society there, they start a mutual admiration society. And that's how the ego starts bloating more and more and more and more. These are all the thing's attributes which are extremely artificial, I tell you, they are all man created. Human beings created, so artificial just like plastic we can say. A dog, if he wins a race, he doesn't walk with a special snooty nose, does he? If he wins the race, he is not even aware why he is made such ado. He just walks like a simple doggy as he is. If he sees another dog, he'll bark at the dog (laughter). He doesn't have all this special etiquette at that time that, “I have won the race. I am 1st class 1st,” or something. He doesn't feel [like that]. It's very unnatural but we have made it, because you see, it has come to us because of these three permutations and combinations within us which makes us like that. But the people who are in the centre are not so much impressed also by these things, not to that extent. Neither they are very much impressed by this, nor they are, they are little indifferent type. Neither they go into people who are crying too much. They just don't understand what is there so much to cry for a small thing like that. Like a gentleman was transferred once. And I went to his house - very unlucky - that day. I mean, I didn't know how I went there, for I didn't know that he was transferred, and his wife was telling me about the transfer, as if her hundred relations must have died, the way she was crying about her transfer! I got such a fright! And by that time, I was much younger to her at that time, but by that time my husband and I must have had at least fourteen transfers, and they had, at the end of their life, one transfer and they were so much crying! I was amazed at that woman! That, what is there? Changing your house? I mean you meet somebody before changing the house, you'll die, they’ll bore you stiff about the changing of the house. You'll feel like changing yourself completely the way they will talk about it. Because, you see, little things, they make such an ado and a drama out of it and you feel, “Oh God! What is it?” And what do you find out? Nothing. These people are very fussy, they show off. It's very embarrassing to take them to any doctor also. If you take them to a doctor, be careful, keep out! Because they can do anything I mean. I had a very funny, embarrassing experience. I took once, one of my relations to a doctor. And she was this type. And he was just taking her blood pressure, you see, and she started screaming at the top of her voice, you know, so much that I didn't know, I told her that it doesn't pain, I know its. “Oh, you don't know what's happening to me!” she was screaming at the top [of her voice], with fear you know, they live with fear all the time. The slightest thing upsets them. So both the things are unnatural. There are many people nowadays are talking of insecurities, which is very common with the psychologists coming in with their new vocabularies and new ideas that they are putting on us. As it is we are unnatural. Now with these people coming on us, I don't know what we're going to become! Like she should have this security, she should have that security, she should have mental security. That's why she does it. For example, I asked why people, women, are not looking after their chastity - that’s very important. That is the security of a woman. Why the men are not looking after their virtues? Because that is the security of man. I mean that's the natural security you have. “Oh, maybe she has a mental insecurity, so she is going into unchaste life,” I mean, who told you that? What is the mental insecurity? You have got financial security. Even poor people, who are morally advanced, they would not give up their chastity for anything. Never! At any cost. They'll kill themselves but never give up their, they'll never give up their virtues at any cost. They may be poor. And this is what happens to us. That the ideas come to us, we start compromising and having new values and new things. The innate and absolute values will remain the same, remain the same. And we have to achieve that and attain to that. We have to re-establish ourselves to that. After coming to Sahaja Yoga, people tell me, “Mother, if you want money we'll give you. Take two thousands pounds from us.” Many Indians told me that, “But we have no time, we are busy working,” you see. Alright, they have no time. They'll give me two thousand pounds. What will I do with two thousand pounds? What am I to do? You go to another class of people, they'll say, “See, we can join Sahaja Yoga alright, but we cannot give up women, we cannot give up drinking. We cannot give up anything. If you want to have us in Sahaja Yoga, then we are willing to join.” What do I do with them? It's very common. You have to transform. It's a transmutation that has to take place. Sahaja Yoga is not for sale, nor for having people just come along, come along, come along, come along, to have a big grand people here, all drunkards and all addicts and this and that? We have to create beautiful people, something so special that who can enter into the Kingdom of God. There’s no compromise with God! There is no compromise with Divine! You cannot compromise! How can I say that you can do this? You cannot compromise! At the most, He forgives us. Because we have been ignorant, we have been innocent, we did not know that, this was sinful, we did something, He forgives us. He forgives our sins, alright. Christ had died for us. When He is awakened, he sucks our sins. But we go on with it, we want to continue with it, despite the fact God has given us strength now. His Spirit is emitting through us. Despite the fact we are realised souls, we are giving realisation to others. How can we continue? We have to fight it! Like William Blake has said that, “You have to do this and you have to do that.” I mean, he must have thought of such people, but he does not know how much people have gone down either to the left or to the right. So this is what Sahaja Yoga is and that's why to come to Sahaja Yoga is a simple thing, to get realisation is even simpler - because Mother loves you very much - but to maintain it and to progress in it is rather difficult because I am not asking you to go to Himalayas after realisation, settle down there, don't meet anybody, don't talk to anyone. You have to live in this world with all its defects and with all its problems and to pull it out, out of its satanic forces, out of its doom. You are not to run away from it. So you have to equip yourself with that wisdom, with that courage. Without courage, you cannot do Sahaja Yoga. Those who have no courage, cannot do Sahaja Yoga - it’s a waste of time, sometimes I feel. It's a very big flaw with me that I really want to give realisation to everyone and they falter after some time. So many people have been helped in Sahaja Yoga. It is for your help. First you are enlightened, a light is created. But light is not created to put under the table. You have to show light to others. A day will come when you will be the lighthouses, saving ships after ships and loads and loads of people. That should happen to you. Why should it not? Because innately you are that beautiful store of energy, innately you are that great creation of God which is above all the creations. So it should happen to all of us. And this is the hope I have. And I hope I will have this hope all through and you are not going to fail me in this. The Nature is working it out, your Kundalini is working it out but you have to also work it out. Have patience with yourself. Work it out. Put yourself in proper places. Adorn your seats, we can say, or as they say, the throne of your Spirit. Adorn it. And that would definitely help you so that you can help the Divine and fulfil whatever is required of you. May God bless you. Have you got that poem of William Blake? I think we all should remember it by heart. Have you got, anyone of you? Anyone who knows by heart, can recite it. Have you got Gavin? Come here. They know by heart? Alright, let’s do that. But all of you should know. Come along. (Yogis sing ‘Jerusalem’ by William Blake) And this we have to do in that time, time is very short. Now put your hands towards me and close your eyes. So, today I have said three words, if you remember, is patience, or you can say compassion. That I said that you must have patience with yourself and patience with others. Then the courage. Courage is very important, without courage, you cannot do Sahaja Yoga. And the third is wisdom, which gives you discrimination, discreet behaviour. These three things. You have to ask for these three things from the Divine so that you are helped. Put your both the hands straight towards me, straight like this, just like this. And loose, little loose, no pressure. Put both the feet like this. That’s good. Yes, and open the windows that side. It's alright. Good. Now those who have come for the first time, you have to see if you feel any cool breeze in the hand. Just see, if you are feeling any cool breeze in the hand. Now you cannot think about it. You cannot make it come. It has to work out. So if you start feeling any cool breeze in the hand, just watch. It is a happening. It's an actualisation of your baptism. You cannot just say it is so, it has to work out. It will suddenly shoot off. First, you will feel there is no thought in the mind. She’s got it. Give her into bandhan. Can you just see this. Sahaja yogis who are sitting next to behind a new person, put your hands and see if they are, there’s vibrations or not. All of you should take a bandhan, will help, first of all. All of you should religiously take a bandhan.

Public Program. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 20 July 1981. There are some guests from Hong Kong now let them sit down. Sahaja Yoga is such a fantastic thing that, when people get their realisation, they can't even believe that they have got it, first of all. The other day I had a minister from one of the countries, and his wife, and he’s suffering from some mental trouble. And when we raised his Kundalini he started feeling a tremendous cool breeze in the hand and cool breeze coming out of his head. He just couldn't believe his eyes! He couldn't believe it. He said, “What's all this?” I said, “How are you feeling?” He said, “I am so relaxed that I can't think of anything! Just I can't think. I have never been like this. This is a new thing that has happened to me!” Now we have to understand also, logically, certain things about Sahaja Yog - this I am explaining for people, those who will be now going out, and speaking about Sahaja Yoga to other people - and how to deal with people who are intellectuals. It’s important to understand what are the hurdles they have, by which they do not want to receive the message of Sahaja Yoga and what are the barriers that really create a problem for them before and after. Now we’ll deal with people who are Western people, we can say. They can be also Indians, they can be Asians, they can be anybody - but who are more of a Western mind than of the Eastern mind. So the first thing that we'll confront is that you’ll have a mixture of people who will come to you. There'll be people who will be seekers, ardent seekers, and there will be people who have been hurt and mesmerised by some ‘gurus’ or something, some sort of a spiritualist and this and that. We will get fanatics also, who might be seekers themselves. And there could be some people who could be absolutely fake also, because it's a fashion these days. In a party, [if] you go: I mean, I live with people who are supposed to be very elite, and mix up with them, and whenever they talk I find they talk of seeking. It’s surprising! They’ll be taking wines and alcohols, this and that, and [when] it comes to politics then they will say, “Oh, but there has to be some sort of a self-realisation about it!” Or they will say, “We have to understand it rather deeply from a divine point of view.” Or some sort of a thing they will hint at. So they are thinking of some breakthrough that has to take place. I mean, it is coming to them, maybe, through their unconscious, maybe through their logic. They are arriving at a conclusion that something has to happen and we are still confused because we haven't found the Absolute. But despite that, among them I find, as it is the topic of the day, sort of a thing among people, luckily it is the topic. I mean, even if they talk of economics it comes to that. Then, among them, how many of them are really the seekers or they are just doing it because everybody is talking of fashions and things. Like, I have never been to a racecourse, for example, and then everybody is talking about racecourse, so you feel so out of place and backward. You look so backward in that society so you just go and read something about it and discuss with others and say, “Oh alright, this I know. I know one jockey. I know this, that,” just to impress others. That, also, kind of people are existing. Of course, these people live day to day. They are not going to come to Sahaja Yoga so easily. They live on day to day basis. “Today we had this party, went to that party, came out and enjoyed this, met this gentleman.” “I know this man, that man...” all sorts of things goes on. And I think they finish their lives in this day to day basis. Wages that they get out of life, they finish .They don't think of the beyond. They don't think that there’s something else, more, to their lives and that thinking is not there but, just as a fashion, they may talk about these things. Of course among them there are seekers, no doubt. [Among] them also there are seekers. But seekers are mostly not very successful people, because they do not find success so alluring, so tempting, so magnetic. To them it’s quite vivid and quite clear-cut that those who are supposed to be very successful - in life, in any field, say in money matters or say in politics or anywhere - they find that they are rather eccentric; if not eccentric, [that] they are a bit dominating. Or sometimes they find that they are very ambitious and that they little bit try to put down others by their eminence or whatever success they have got. So all these things come into the mind of a seeker who doesn't try much for his material success or doesn't talk much for his, also, intellectual success. He may read a lot just to find out what is the Truth. That's a different sort of a seeking. That's not material seeking. But that's what so many Sahaja yogis who have been here have done also, that they have read too much. So you confront such people, a mixture of such people together. But you have to be prepared for every type. Because God has made this World with very [great] care. But lots of variations, permutations and combinations are there. As I told you last time, there are three permutations and combinations. The first is the power of desire which is on the left-hand side. Second is the power of action or willpower you can say, which is on the right-hand side. And the central one is the evolutionary one, third one. So we have these powers and these three create three moods. The first one is called as Tamoguna, right one is Rajoguna and the middle one as the Satvoguna. So the combinations and permutations of these three gunas create different human beings and accordingly their styles are and their seekings are, and accordingly they fall a trap to people who try to seduce them. Now the people on the left-hand side are more addicted to habits. Like, if they take to alcohol, they'll become alcoholics. If they take to smoking, they'll become chimneys, sort of thing, and they go to the extremes of the left. And their willpower, which is a right side [power], the will, starts going down very much and they cannot overpower their desires, these habits. The habits become desires, you see. Then, to add to that also, when they see that, by doing action, people have brought forth wars - this is super-intellectual way of looking at life, you see - that, “What have we done? We have created atom bomb by thinking. We have killed so many people. We have done this, we have done that. All wrong things we have done by taking action. So it's better to go into inaction, absolutely inaction.” So when they think of these things and why this materialistic world and all this creation and all that we have done - because of that we have aggressed other countries - so better go into inaction. Such people become prone to the left-hand side more then they take to drugs and things. And also alcohol goes hand in hand with too much use of willpower because if you use too much of willpower you get so frightened of your ego and your action, that you want to relax on to the left-hand side . Now the habit formation takes place, maybe from very childhood, and then the willpower is diminishing gradually when that habit becomes sort of a part and parcel of your being. Like, you see, in the Western modern society, to flirt is a habit. Flirting is definitely a habit. It's not an innate need of a person, it is just a habit that is formed. And in a society when it is accepted that, “Oh, it's nice to impress men and nice to impress women,” it becomes a pastime for many people and, even when they are grown up, they cannot get rid of it, even if they are old, up to the grave time, they go about with it. They just can't get out of it because it becomes such a habit and obsession and the society also supports it. So the whole thing starts becoming a habit and you become so weak with it that you just cannot do it with your willpower even if you try, you justify it, “Oh, I enjoy it!” Like a lady who had cancer. I was treating her and I said, “You may have to give up your alcohol.” She said, “But I like my sherry, at least.” I said, “Now what to do?” She likes means everything is justified. “I enjoy my whisky,” she said. So I said, “Now what am I to do?” I mean, she'll have to enjoy her cancer also! But we enjoy the thing that brings you disease, but not the disease. And if we understand it clearly that these habits give us problems which are most agonising, most troublesome, they give you such bad effects in later lives that you rather have no habits and enjoy your life than to have these so-called enjoyable habits. Now people might say, “What happens with flirting?” You might say. It's a very simple question, you see. You'll be surprised - those people who flirt too much lose their memory very fast. Their memory will be lost. Because your attention is moving all the time, your eyes are moving, you know the Swadishthana Chakra works so much. Your memory will be very weak. Apart from that, your attention will be very weak, too, your concentration will be very weak and you will age very fast because when you are using your eyes for a habit…your eyes for the habit, imagine! I mean, nobody could think of that but Christ must have seen it. That's why He said, “Thou shall not have adulterous eyes.” He must have seen that part. So when you start using your eyes, you see, for something that is desire, to that extent, I mean, I don't know if any desire is fulfilled or not, because I don't know what it gives you, or gives anyone. It's not easy to understand. But whatever it is, if it is used for a purpose which is not going to fail. For example, supposing I use this glass for something like making a light out of it or something, it will break. It is not supposed to do that. So if you start using something for a purpose for which it is not meant, your attention can become very weak because your eyes are meant to see. And after your realisation, your eyes are to witness. They give you the witness state. After realisation, with your eyes you just witness, the complete witnessing. Like now I witness you people. Just I am witnessing you, nothing [else]. I don't want anything from you, only I am witnessing as you are, all of you. And what I am witnessing is the beauty that you have, is what you are created as, I am just seeing that. And the complete joy that is you, which the Creator had in creating you, is absolutely one with me. I’m just witnessing that, seeing you. Nothing more or nothing less. Now when, supposing, I use My eyes for looking at a person with the idea of possessing it, possessing a person, which I cannot. I cannot possess anything, you know. I mean for all, for all rational people must understand you cannot possess anything. Now I want to possess a person, and you look at a person with the idea of possessing. By looking at a person I don't know how you can possess when even binding a person, you cannot possess - when you die you have to leave everyone here. So this kind of a game when it goes on, your attention becomes very, very low. And I have seen people have such horrible memories that one person rang me up, talked to me for half an hour and asked me, “What should I do for the memory?” So I said, “Alright, you put your right side on the left-hand side, try to control it, do this and do that.” He lost his memory not because of that but because of hatha yoga that he did (laughing). I mean there are so many ways by which you can really lose your memory but one of them is definitely this. So I told him, “You put your right to the left all the time and try to balance it.” When we put right to the left what we do? We put our willpower on our habits. So again he rang me up. So I asked - somebody was there - I said now, “Please, I talked to him for half an hour and I am really tired now, can you ask him what is it, what does he want.” So he said, “No I, because I forgot everything whatever Mataji told me.” I said, “Again half an hour more?” (laughing) I said, “Next time you put a tape recorder when I talk to you, will be a better idea.” So this is what happens. And at a very early age also people can start. One of the reasons I am saying. It doesn't mean that everybody who loses memory, loses because of this. But one of the most important things is that, to keep yourself normal, try to avoid any habits that are forming, by denying something - it’s the best way. There is a very good poet, very well known poet in India who has written a nice couplet which I liked. He says that, “Whatever this heart wants to see, you better not see.” You see, better deny it. Because if it does again and again that means there is some sort of a spirit or some sort of a nonsense that is pulling you out. So, any habit, any habit or any addiction, say you are addicted to anything. Supposing you are addicted, say, to a piece of jewellery you have - never wear it. Still you feel like wearing it too much - donate it, give it to somebody. Because there is nothing so important than your Self. But you will be surprised when you start denying it, playing with your mind, playing with your desires, whatever you want to have, you say, “Alright, we'll have it,” and just don't have it. For example you are going to a restaurant. You want to eat something. I don't know what you people like. But say you want to eat something special, anything, I don't know the names so much, there you go and you just end up with a bread, finished! You have to play with yourself after realisation. And it breaks then the link of that addiction that is one of the very subtle conditions we have within ourselves. So today, as I am talking to you about the seekers who come to you, they have habits. They have habits. Say, we had six people who were drug addicts. I used to call them ‘druggists and chemists’, you see. First they could not even see me, they said they just see light coming out of me because their Agnya was spoiled so they couldn't see anything. And all sorts of things happened with them. Then some of them felt that their soul is coming out, and the body is left there, they are seeing me from there. And all sorts of things, all experiences they have had with all kinds of drugs they had taken. They had taken the left-sided, the right-sided - oh, everything they had tried, you see. Now to talk about drug was really blasphemous! I just couldn't talk to them in the beginning. If I had said anything they would have really shut me out. So the person who has to tell to them should never directly come on that point that, “Don't take drugs!” That’s one thing one has to remember that, when such people approach you, you should never start talking against that. I mean you'll be boxed for nothing at all and all Sahaja Yoga will go down. So for a druggist, supposing he comes to you, what should we do? What should we do to help? So we should start talking like this, that, “I was also a druggist,” even if you are not, you may say that - there is no harm in telling them - because if you do that way you smooth the way. There is no harm in telling little lies just to bring them up to the truth, you see. You have to stoop down, is to say that, “I was a druggist.” Or you can say, “My father was a druggist,” or somebody nearest to you, whom you know, so that they do not get angry with you, you see. Because they are seekers, the trouble is, they are seekers. These habits have come to them because they were seeking and they went deep down into that seeking. In that seeking they took to drugs and that's how they have become drug addicts. So now they are not normal people and if you just talk to them in a normal way, as you would talk to a normal person, you can never save them. Now you are here out to save them. So the best thing is to talk to them in such a manner, that they try to understand you. First you identify yourself with them, you stoop down to their style of life, and then talk to them. That's a very good way of really bringing them nearer you and a very compassionate way of approaching. Or you can say a Mother has to give the castor oil then she gives it in a chocolate. So approach that way. You'll be amazed, you can overcome their habits. Because Kundalini when She rises, She herself corrects them. They start feeling terrible pain and left side and then they feel completely their left side, no vibrations coming out and all sorts of things they feel. And they start understanding it also, and Kundalini herself goes and clears them out, makes them happy, so that they do not take to these things. Because a person when he’s bored, when he has more time to think about other things, he takes to these things. So there is no time because you become timeless, you go beyond time with realisation. That's how you can overcome the left side. Also you can raise your right side and put it to the left side. By raising the right side is, you are raising your willpower and give it to them. But if you tell somebody, who is a drunkard, "You must have your willpower. You must have your willpower." He said, “Yes, yes, I promise, I promise, I promise.” Next day he comes there. “Eaaah”, “How are you?” then again finished! All promises are broken in five minutes as soon as he sees a bottle. That means all these promises are not supported by his willpower. So no use taking promises from him. Instead of that, try to raise his right side. If you raise his right side and put it to the left side, so the willpower takes over and can help that person to overpower his desire. Because he is a seeker and he deserves all that attention, all that care, all that minute method of helping him out, even if he does not get realisation. You know so many people who have been alcoholics have been completely cured by Sahaja Yoga. So for all such people you have to have patience and no anger for them at all because they themselves are in a pitiable state. Imagine of a person, who is alcoholic on the street. Just think of such a person who is just on the street thrown by all his people outside. With these people, if you try to be harsh with them, they’ll never give up. But do not sympathise with them that, “Whatever you are doing, alright, alright, go ahead with it.” But in your own Sahaja Yoga method, if you can raise the right to the left, the superego goes down and the ego comes up. When it comes to the centre, raise the Kundalini, and the Kundalini will come up and I am sure he can overcome that. But for this you have to have patience, you have to do it again and again. Now this we have been confronting many a times. But the whole approach should be of tremendous patience, as I said, of tremendous concern about them. These people have gone to that extreme also because nobody has any concern. After a certain limit, people just give them up. That's how they are lost. Now the people who are from lunatic asylum, say: for example we get people directly from lunatic asylum, certified mad. Imagine! To our programs we get. And what do we do with these mad people? We can get angry and ask them to get out, but they are seekers. This is your duty to see that they get realisation. It's very important that they should get realisation, they should not be lost. It’s very simple to cure them, is to put their willpower over their desires or over their left side. It's the left side drag that has taken them to this lunatic state. Maybe a person who is emotionally very disturbed from childhood, he has a left side problem. Like he had no mother, or the mother was very severe or a step-mother. And all the left side problems as you understand are there. Or he has had a very bad time with his wife. Or he had an emotional problems, he suffered a lot. All such people you see, sort of, resign in life and they become that kind and they become mad. When they cannot bear it more, they become mad, because it’s an escape, it's an arrangement made by nature itself, so that you do not face it. When you are mad, you don't know what's happening, you are not aware of it. Imagine to be mad and to be aware, what a problem it will be. That's why nature does for them. And our only duty is to raise their right side and put it to the left side and raise their Kundalini, which gives them the realisation by which the vital energy start flowing into him and he can feel alright. This is a very, very important thing which can be done. Now a person who is more ego oriented - we should find out what sort we are - you can help such people much more than a person who himself is a left-handed, because two crying babies will sit down and cry. But an ego-oriented person has a system built in within himself that he dominates. So he has to learn how to put his right [side] down and his left up. So the left side should be raised of a person who is ego-oriented. Now let us see the ego-oriented person, what happens to an ego-oriented man. Ego-oriented man develops this habit, supposing from the childhood he is intelligent, he’s sharp, born like that. Then the people put them up, “You have to run the race. You have to run the race. You have to compete in the race. Stand up, stand first, stand first. You must out-beat that. You must out-beat that.” All this competitive life starts. Then he gets into that mad rat race, as you call it. Then he becomes successful, so-called successful. Because of his action also ego develops. Action itself gives a by-product that, “I have done this. I have done this. I have decorated this. I have built this Caxton Hall.” All sorts of things can come into his head. Once it starts building up, "I, I , I , I," this ‘I’ becomes a big balloon on the head and it covers the whole head. I don't mind if it covers only the head part of it. But it also covers the heart. And it makes a person absolutely, can make, absolutely emotionless, the example is Hitler. Absolutely emotionless. There’s no feeling left in such a person, if he goes too far with it. Then he can kill, he can say…he can live by hurting others all the time. Such people all the time hurt. They cannot enjoy other people. They cannot be fond of them. They cannot love, in short. This ego business makes you extremely dry. And everything becomes either money, power, this, that, I mean it’s so dry, everything is dry, you see. “I’ll marry a girl who is a Princess,” supposing somebody says, then you know that ego orientation is there. With this kind of ego orientation, we have had all kinds of wars and all kinds of problems. And ego is added up in a society which is very competitive. I mean there is competition about how you look, how you appear. There are advertisements that, if you smoke a cigar, you see, then you can impress others. Imagine! Madness! I don't know if you smoke a cigar how it impresses. But this is all built in, you know, the whole society has put this into your heads that if you have a cigar in the mouth, you are going in a Mercedes car or you are going in a big this thing, Rolls Royce, then there is prestige. But rationally, let's see, logically, supposing somebody has a Rolls Royce. What does it matter? He is not going to give us. Why should we be impressed? If he is going to give us then naturally we’ll be impressed, alright. But nobody shares anything, you see. They try to impress us by what, for what. Why should we be impressed? After all we are not going to get anything out of it. I mean, he is nicely going Rolls Royce, you are walking down, so why should we feel impressed by it? I just don't understand. But an ego-oriented person always gets impressed by such things. Because they have that slight ego in them and sort of, they see themselves sitting in the same place or whatever it is. I don't know how it works out. I have not experienced that kind of a thing. But it impresses people. Like I remember once, you see, we had a governor in a place where we were living, when I was a small child, you see. So we were going to see the governor because he was a great friend of my father and all that and he always used to walk across and they used to go for a walk. Otherwise also I know him very well. But some people said to my father, some friends of mine, “We want to see the Governor”. He said, “Alright.” He said, “We want to invite him,” “So alright,” he said, “we'll take them.” My father was describing, you know my father was a great realised soul and he described them, he said, “They were so self-conscious that I couldn't help laughing, you see. They were young people and they were so self-conscious. They were going to the Governor. All the time they were putting their ties alright, their coats alright and all the time they were walking like something. They were never like that, you see.” And he said, “I was, I didn't know what to do and I was just feeling that I should tell them that there is nothing, it is to be very much relaxed.” And all of them actually started stammering before and they were such hooligans, I tell you, normally, and it was surprising that they just, for nothing at all, and he was such a simple man. This Governor was such a simple man and they all started stammering and shaking and all sorts of things happened. So my father came and described it to me and we both laughed a lot. And he said, “I don't know what made them think about because he was in a simple dress, he was meet…he met them very informally and he wanted to be friendly but they were so nervous that he didn't know what to do with them. Except that they were conscious that they were meeting such and such person, there was nothing to remind them of that. So it happens if you are ego-oriented, if you see somebody who is ego-oriented, you get impressed - is a character. As the person who is superego oriented [when] he meets another superego, they just combine and they cry together, “Oh, the world is miserable. And we are the two most miserable people crucified by this world,” you see. And the others, they get impressed by each other, you see. This one will praise that and that one will like these people, because he can impress, you see. And there is some mutual admiration society there, they start a mutual admiration society. And that's how the ego starts bloating more and more and more and more. These are all the thing's attributes which are extremely artificial, I tell you, they are all man created. Human beings created, so artificial just like plastic we can say. A dog, if he wins a race, he doesn't walk with a special snooty nose, does he? If he wins the race, he is not even aware why he is made such ado. He just walks like a simple doggy as he is. If he sees another dog, he'll bark at the dog (laughter). He doesn't have all this special etiquette at that time that, “I have won the race. I am 1st class 1st,” or something. He doesn't feel [like that]. It's very unnatural but we have made it, because you see, it has come to us because of these three permutations and combinations within us which makes us like that. But the people who are in the centre are not so much impressed also by these things, not to that extent. Neither they are very much impressed by this, nor they are, they are little indifferent type. Neither they go into people who are crying too much. They just don't understand what is there so much to cry for a small thing like that. Like a gentleman was transferred once. And I went to his house - very unlucky - that day. I mean, I didn't know how I went there, for I didn't know that he was transferred, and his wife was telling me about the transfer, as if her hundred relations must have died, the way she was crying about her transfer! I got such a fright! And by that time, I was much younger to her at that time, but by that time my husband and I must have had at least fourteen transfers, and they had, at the end of their life, one transfer and they were so much crying! I was amazed at that woman! That, what is there? Changing your house? I mean you meet somebody before changing the house, you'll die, they’ll bore you stiff about the changing of the house. You'll feel like changing yourself completely the way they will talk about it. Because, you see, little things, they make such an ado and a drama out of it and you feel, “Oh God! What is it?” And what do you find out? Nothing. These people are very fussy, they show off. It's very embarrassing to take them to any doctor also. If you take them to a doctor, be careful, keep out! Because they can do anything I mean. I had a very funny, embarrassing experience. I took once, one of my relations to a doctor. And she was this type. And he was just taking her blood pressure, you see, and she started screaming at the top of her voice, you know, so much that I didn't know, I told her that it doesn't pain, I know its. “Oh, you don't know what's happening to me!” she was screaming at the top [of her voice], with fear you know, they live with fear all the time. The slightest thing upsets them. So both the things are unnatural. There are many people nowadays are talking of insecurities, which is very common with the psychologists coming in with their new vocabularies and new ideas that they are putting on us. As it is we are unnatural. Now with these people coming on us, I don't know what we're going to become! Like she should have this security, she should have that security, she should have mental security. That's why she does it. For example, I asked why people, women, are not looking after their chastity - that’s very important. That is the security of a woman. Why the men are not looking after their virtues? Because that is the security of man. I mean that's the natural security you have. “Oh, maybe she has a mental insecurity, so she is going into unchaste life,” I mean, who told you that? What is the mental insecurity? You have got financial security. Even poor people, who are morally advanced, they would not give up their chastity for anything. Never! At any cost. They'll kill themselves but never give up their, they'll never give up their virtues at any cost. They may be poor. And this is what happens to us. That the ideas come to us, we start compromising and having new values and new things. The innate and absolute values will remain the same, remain the same. And we have to achieve that and attain to that. We have to re-establish ourselves to that. After coming to Sahaja Yoga, people tell me, “Mother, if you want money we'll give you. Take two thousands pounds from us.” Many Indians told me that, “But we have no time, we are busy working,” you see. Alright, they have no time. They'll give me two thousand pounds. What will I do with two thousand pounds? What am I to do? You go to another class of people, they'll say, “See, we can join Sahaja Yoga alright, but we cannot give up women, we cannot give up drinking. We cannot give up anything. If you want to have us in Sahaja Yoga, then we are willing to join.” What do I do with them? It's very common. You have to transform. It's a transmutation that has to take place. Sahaja Yoga is not for sale, nor for having people just come along, come along, come along, come along, to have a big grand people here, all drunkards and all addicts and this and that? We have to create beautiful people, something so special that who can enter into the Kingdom of God. There’s no compromise with God! There is no compromise with Divine! You cannot compromise! How can I say that you can do this? You cannot compromise! At the most, He forgives us. Because we have been ignorant, we have been innocent, we did not know that, this was sinful, we did something, He forgives us. He forgives our sins, alright. Christ had died for us. When He is awakened, he sucks our sins. But we go on with it, we want to continue with it, despite the fact God has given us strength now. His Spirit is emitting through us. Despite the fact we are realised souls, we are giving realisation to others. How can we continue? We have to fight it! Like William Blake has said that, “You have to do this and you have to do that.” I mean, he must have thought of such people, but he does not know how much people have gone down either to the left or to the right. So this is what Sahaja Yoga is and that's why to come to Sahaja Yoga is a simple thing, to get realisation is even simpler - because Mother loves you very much - but to maintain it and to progress in it is rather difficult because I am not asking you to go to Himalayas after realisation, settle down there, don't meet anybody, don't talk to anyone. You have to live in this world with all its defects and with all its problems and to pull it out, out of its satanic forces, out of its doom. You are not to run away from it. So you have to equip yourself with that wisdom, with that courage. Without courage, you cannot do Sahaja Yoga. Those who have no courage, cannot do Sahaja Yoga - it’s a waste of time, sometimes I feel. It's a very big flaw with me that I really want to give realisation to everyone and they falter after some time. So many people have been helped in Sahaja Yoga. It is for your help. First you are enlightened, a light is created. But light is not created to put under the table. You have to show light to others. A day will come when you will be the lighthouses, saving ships after ships and loads and loads of people. That should happen to you. Why should it not? Because innately you are that beautiful store of energy, innately you are that great creation of God which is above all the creations. So it should happen to all of us. And this is the hope I have. And I hope I will have this hope all through and you are not going to fail me in this. The Nature is working it out, your Kundalini is working it out but you have to also work it out. Have patience with yourself. Work it out. Put yourself in proper places. Adorn your seats, we can say, or as they say, the throne of your Spirit. Adorn it. And that would definitely help you so that you can help the Divine and fulfil whatever is required of you. May God bless you. Have you got that poem of William Blake? I think we all should remember it by heart. Have you got, anyone of you? Anyone who knows by heart, can recite it. Have you got Gavin? Come here. They know by heart? Alright, let’s do that. But all of you should know. Come along. (Yogis sing ‘Jerusalem’ by William Blake) And this we have to do in that time, time is very short. Now put your hands towards me and close your eyes. So, today I have said three words, if you remember, is patience, or you can say compassion. That I said that you must have patience with yourself and patience with others. Then the courage. Courage is very important, without courage, you cannot do Sahaja Yoga. And the third is wisdom, which gives you discrimination, discreet behaviour. These three things. You have to ask for these three things from the Divine so that you are helped. Put your both the hands straight towards me, straight like this, just like this. And loose, little loose, no pressure. Put both the feet like this. That’s good. Yes, and open the windows that side. It's alright. Good. Now those who have come for the first time, you have to see if you feel any cool breeze in the hand. Just see, if you are feeling any cool breeze in the hand. Now you cannot think about it. You cannot make it come. It has to work out. So if you start feeling any cool breeze in the hand, just watch. It is a happening. It's an actualisation of your baptism. You cannot just say it is so, it has to work out. It will suddenly shoot off. First, you will feel there is no thought in the mind. She’s got it. Give her into bandhan. Can you just see this. Sahaja yogis who are sitting next to behind a new person, put your hands and see if they are, there’s vibrations or not. All of you should take a bandhan, will help, first of all. All of you should religiously take a bandhan.

7/21/1981

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Transcript of advice to Warwick Road Ashram 1981-07-21 Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR]. Can you bring the baby to Me? I think the church is to [UNCLEAR]. So, now, also you have to baptise this one. All right? The child is baptised already because she is born-realised. But the problem is she has been baptised by these unauthorised people. And so she has a problem in the Sahasrara. And the Sahasra is to be brought [UNCLEAR]. You all say the mantras. Sahaja Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adishakti Mataji Sakshat Shri Bhagwati Sakshat Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah, Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Adishakti Sakshat Shri Bhagwati Sakshat Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah, Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini Mokshapradayini Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: They put all the bhoots into the children. Horrible people. She is a realised soul. She should be good. All right. All right. All right. [UNCLEAR/Shri Mataji is soothing the baby which is crying/giving instructions]. I am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorry. There is no need for the child to cry. That means there is some trouble. Always. See the attack comes on this as soon as the child is born and [UNCLEAR/it] become active. There is an attack on the [UNCLEAR] and they really do not know. People are so vulnerable; you can’t help it? [UNCLEAR for 10-15 seconds]. They don’t understand anything. It is a child. [UNCLEAR]. It has no “pada” (station). Especially the Agyna left and right is caught up so much. The child can suffer. And it happens. And she is a born realised. Imagine. Did she baptise the child? [UNCLEAR response from Sahaja Yogini]. Shri Mataji: Thank God. Annie? What’s that, the box? Your [UNCLEAR]? Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR/People are wasting/using money. Wasting money?]. Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR]. People [UNCLEAR] very fast. [UNCLEAR] some problem. In some way. Hello, come. Are you better now? Are you better. You write it down. [UNCLEAR]. Those people who have been to Narakasura, the first problem is that their faces [UNCLEAR]. [UNCLEAR/ those who have been to Narakasura’s house]. [UNCLEAR]. First of all, we must say the mantra of Narakasura that Twameva Sakshat Narakasuramardini, all right? Now, this must be [UNCLEAR], you change your bath [UNCLEAR]. Left hand up. All right. Begin. Then you put your right hand on left Vishuddhi. Now you must go on saying the mantra. Now say Twameva Sakshat Narakasuramardini. Now say that. Sahaja Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Narakasuramardini Sakshat Shri Adishakti Sakshat Shri Bhagwati Sakshat Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Now this mantra should be said by those who have been practising TM or had anything to do with TM at any time, about at least twenty-one times. Go on till you get to twenty-one times. Then you increase. This mantra is a siddha mantra. Siddha means that you get the power. One of the thousand powers of the Goddess. With that She killed Narakasura. So by that, all these things will disappear, all the [UNCLEAR/influences] of Narakasura. Start with twenty-one. Now all those who suffer from any guru problem in the Void. [Break]. It should be recorded, with all respect, “You are my guru”. With all respect. Say that. “Mother, Thou Art My Guru”. You can say it in English. Does not matter. But you see, with respect. And the Guru is a thing where no questioning. No question. [UNCLEAR]. So put your right hand on the stomach and left hand like this. And go on say, moving right hand like this – “Mother you are my guru. Thou Art my Guru”. [Sahaja Yogis repeat several times, “Mother, Thou Art my Guru”]. Shri Mataji: See all the vibrations. Now, emotionally you should feel that. [UNCLEAR]. I am your guru speaking to you. I am the Mother of all the Gurus. So it is a double...See, understand, I mean, any other person who is supposed to be a great guru [UNCLEAR], this, that. But not the [UNCLEAR]. See Markandeya. Markandeya is one of them. He was a great guru. And a very great saint. [UNCLEAR for a few seconds]. See, this is all the projection, still [UNCLEAR]. Firstly, that you had a guru who is in complete [UNCLEAR] and complete integrity. Can you understand? That you are so perfect [UNCLEAR]. And this will start [UNCLEAR]. This is the first. And the second thing is that when you think that you are so fortunate, all the [UNCLEAR] will go away. “Oh, I am no good, this I have done, that”; forget it. Forget it, forget, forget, forget. When you are sitting in front of your guru, forget that I [UNCLEAR]. Because if your guru [UNCLEAR]. For that, it has [UNCLEAR]. So surrendering before your guru, [UNCLEAR/surrender]. All your conditioning. Everything is conditioning. Whatever you say, “Mother, if I have to die” – like that attitude drops off. And you will be amazed at how you will be the strongest person. That is how [UNCLEAR]. When you said, “Mother, you are my guru”, actually what you have to feel is you are your guru. Is that. [UNCLEAR/you should flower into that]. Because your Mother wants you to be your guru. That is [UNCLEAR/so sweet?]. But in the beginning, you have to say, “Mother, you are my guru”, because that helps you overpower your guru. But actually, you are becoming your guru, because you are already your own guru. Because when you can feel, “Oh God, I am catching Agyna”. Who is telling? It is your own guru, in your stomach. Is telling, “You, Mister XYZ, better look after your Agyna because you are catching on that”. Like yesterday [UNCLEAR/Cooly] was [UNCLEAR] and he was catching on Heart. Started smiling and when I found [UNCLEAR/you better handle your heart] and it was piercing him. So whatever one does, is reflected back and you start correcting because you can’t bear it. Your body only teaches. To improve yourself is easy. You have to, first of all, cleanse your Void, is it not? Ekadasha Rudra is only because of Void. If your Void is clear, then Ekadasha does not come. Ekadasha is a lack of understanding of how [UNCLEAR]. You know that cancer sets in. So be careful. How much you have been subservient to a false guru. And to overcome that, how much more you should be. Of the real being, isn’t it? Absolutely. Once you work it out that way, mentally understanding how much you should be in awe that you know God. [UNCLEAR/ Because I am with you there all the time]. I am very easily accessible for all practical purposes. I am a very, very, very loving Mother. But don’t take liberties with Me. Never take this attitude because you cannot cope with it. Even if I am [UNCLEAR] this way, don’t take liberties in any way with Me. [UNCLEAR for several seconds/be serious]. But still, whenever it is possible you should think that [UNCLEAR/about surrender]. I have to [UNCLEAR/serve?/save] you. I am your Guru, I have to [UNCLEAR/serve?/save] you. But whatever is possible, whenever is possible, some service to your guru, “seva”. Service is a horrible word, but seva. [UNCLEAR]. Even cleaning the [UNCLEAR], washing the home of your guru. Anything you see, of your guru, is precious and has to be [UNCLEAR]. Any such opportunity you get, jump into it, feel happy that you can be of some service. The reward is that you become [UNCLEAR]. On the material level I would say, this happens. On a spiritual level, your spirituality is raised. This is the foundation to be spiritual. See, the Mother Earth. The more you ingrain into Her, the better is the foundation. And the building. In the same way, the more you ingrain yourself into your Mother, all your [UNCLEAR/wishes?] can be fulfilled. Wishes fulfilled. But practice must be done every day. Every weekend or so, you must gather – to go out somewhere to the sea or the river – talk of Sahaja Yoga; nothing else. Sit in a group, try to cure yourselves and practice your gurudom there. See how you talk to others. How you behave. You see deception or in any way bossing – any such nonsensical thing is not going to help you. And a proper personality, proper understanding [UNCLEAR]. Very serious people can pull you down and very frightened people can also pull you down. So you have to be in the centre – be cheerful, confident, kind but still, dignified. Everything must have a relevance to a spiritual [UNCLEAR/level]. [UNCLEAR for some seconds]. Get rid of your guru problems. Let us see – the load is unbalanced. Now, most of you who suffer from guru are left-sided. Take it from it. Take Narakasura for example. For example. He was killed by the Goddess. So is the left-side. On the left side is the Devi. One thousand names of the Devi; try to remember at least seven to eight by heart. [UNCLEAR]. 108 [UNCLEAR]. Not sufficient. Say those names. Not like a mechanical thing but with understanding. Lemon and all these things will help. Try them out. The vacuum that is there can only be filled by spirituality. And that can only fill if you understand that you have to have tremendous faith in your guru. Tremendous faith. And complete [UNCLEAR/reverence/innocence?]. Then only it will work out. Now the other day I don’t know if you understood the mantras or not. But at least, twenty-five per cent, I should say fifty per cent were for your [UNCLEAR], what you sacrifice. Mostly the people sacrifice their intelligence, [UNCLEAR], most of them. What you sacrifice is the most important. What you should sacrifice are all material comforts and material things. You must learn to be spartan. And you will be amazed that Maharashtrians are the most spartan; most spartan. They will finish their bath quickly, they will go, arrange their routine, come out clean, they are really very speedy. In a room like that, ten people were living with one bathroom. So that is what one has to become - spartan. I mean, it is a very good way of making your body less [UNCLEAR/lazy]. Whatever you try with your body, only so many times tell your body. [Recording probably breaks and resumes]. Everyone has that depth. A proper way of talking to one another. Like French style. Always complaining. Always sarcastic. French can talk to French; they are all one. One says one thing, another says another thing. It is not a good thing. For Sahaja Yogis. You should be pleasant and never, grumpy types, grumbling all the time, miserable people. Talking about your misery, “That is not good, this is not good”, or about the others also. You see about [UNCLEAR/others], “Did he tell you this? Did he do this? This is not good, that is not good”. It is not a good style of life. You can never enjoy yourself and nobody can enjoy you. Do not complain about anything. Avoid all the complaints. I mean you see Me, “I have never complained of anything whatsoever”. Even if I find out there is anything wrong. In fact, I never complain. About puja, you did not have certain things yesterday, I said, “Don’t worry. You did not do this. All right”. Did I shout at you? Or complain? Or do something? But some people do it with a very [UNCLEAR]. But there is no complaint. Complaining nature is the worst thing which is given and I must tell you, the French also - their tongue. And English people, they are [UNCLEAR/obstinate]. Their [UNCLEAR/obstinacy?] makes the Indians too because they find some [UNCLEAR] lunatic effects. [UNCLEAR for forty seconds]. And the complaining, irritated temperament is the worst of all. Some people are so irritated that you don’t know how to talk to them. Impossible. If you are irritated, the best thing is to have a nice massage, you see. Take a nice massage of say, oil or something, [UNCLEAR]. There is also Vitamin B complex, for people who are irritated. Take Vitamin B complex, [UNCLEAR/you will feel all right]. Else you can have a steam bath. A steam bath is very good for irritated people, you see. It will soothe them. Using oil for the hair is also very good for the hair. Little oil should be there. You see, that also takes out irritation. Putting oil into the ear, I mean it is just like putting oil in your being. You oil your being - then the frictional irritation is less. This irritable nature also comes by ego-oriented temperament. That you are something special. “What am I?”, ask yourself some time. “What am I? What do I think of myself? What is so great about me?”. People should think like this, “What was I before Sahaja Yoga? I was [UNCLEAR]? What was I? Nobody”. God does not recognise. Any one of them, be it a king or [UNCLEAR/pope], God is not going to recognise. He is only going to recognise the Sahaja Yogis, that is all. You may be anything - God is not going to recognise. You walk in with anything - God is not going to do so. So in, [UNCLEAR] good points of [UNCLEAR]. For example, I was to say [UNCLEAR]. Now take their good points. Not their bad points. Now what are the good points of French, let us see. French have one good point, very good point. That whatever they do, they do it properly. They try. Even if they have to arrange some puja or [UNCLEAR], they are not haphazard. That is the good thing about them. They are not haphazard. They systematically work it out and they do it properly. But English can be haphazard. Can be haphazard. When they do something, can be haphazard. So you have to learn from them not to be haphazard. But French should not think any end of themselves because they are not haphazard. So what they should think is that what defects we have got and what good things others have got. If you start seeing good in others and bad in yourself I tell you; you will become [UNCLEAR]. To begin with. This is for ego-oriented people. Good in others and bad in yourself. Because by seeing bad in yourself you can correct - can you correct the bad in others? I mean, take, let us just take an absolutely practical example. Supposing I see another house is dirty. What is the use of My seeing the other house is dirty? My house is dirty; I better clean it. I have all the right on My house and I can do of My house. I cannot do up the other house. So what is the use of seeing the bad of others? If I see in My house [UNCLEAR/what is dirty] and if I can see the good of others, I can bring that in My house. It is as simple as that; it is practical also. To see the good of others and bad to yourself. If you can bend yourself and without getting jealous of others - without those two things, if you can work it out on those lines, it will help you a lot. And for the English, I would say that they are good at admitting their faults. Very good at admitting their faults. That is something about the English. But that also sometimes can works as a [UNCLEAR/guilt] - “All right, I am sorry”. Murder somebody and say, “I am sorry”. Does not work out, you see. “All right. I murdered him. So I am sorry”. But other things [UNCLEAR] come round and so what? You better come to the court. So just by saying sorry you can’t get out of it. But they will admit their faults. That is one thing good about them, they admit. But they must [UNCLEAR/correct] also. If you admit your faults and you do not correct, you continue with it because it is a very good sort of [UNCLEAR/freedom?] - go on saying, “All right, I did this, I did this” without [UNCLEAR], “I am sorry for this”. But you should be the judge of yourself. And punish yourself. Like, if you have been harsh to someone or said something bad, or in some toxic way you have behaved - then do not eat your food. I tell you, that is the best punishment. For two days. Just be on water. For two days; then see what happens. You will behave yourself, I tell you. Just punish yourself. If your eyes are still hovering, [UNCLEAR/blindly], close your eyes and walk like a blind man. On the road also. [UNCLEAR]. Close your eyes. Just don’t see anything. For two days you are not allowed to see anything. Sit before the television with closed eyes. Your eyes will be cured. Punishment. Because you are the judge and you are the punisher. Judge yourself and punish yourself. Say that, “[UNCLEAR], this is what you have done. Now let us take punishment”. And then start punching yourself. And you will be amazed, this body becomes absolutely first-class. You know, that somebody is sitting in front of you, somebody watches - you cannot cheat that person. We say that [UNCLEAR], somebody who is the knower of the king. And once you start judging yourself, you become the Spirit. Your attention becomes the Spirit. You become detached. You start saying, “Oh this Nirmala is [UNCLEAR/ this”. You start talking in the third person. I mean I, many a time, do that. This Adishakti does that. [UNCLEAR]. Even if I am tired, I am very tired, This Body says that “I am tired” - I say, “[UNCLEAR/Listen], this Adishakti won’t listen. She will go. Whether you like it or not”. So poor Body has to assemble itself and all that. So Adishakti is the ruling Deity of This Body, so This Body has to accept whatever the Adishakti says. So establish your Spirit because you are the Spirit. And you should say, “Oh this Spirit is not going to listen, better listen to it because it is a dominating Spirit”. Whatever it is. And then the body reacts - you get energy, you get [UNCLEAR], you benefit. All your identification finishes once and for all. Misidentification. So this one has to achieve and understand. And that is how gurudom and all [UNCLEAR] will get rid of you. All the mantras of the left side are very good for the people who have got problems of the left side. You can start it off from the left side, as you know, the first one is “Shri Nirmala Vidya”. The sign of the left side is the person who suffers from the left side - when I am talking he will go off to sleep. If you feel sleepy when I am talking, know that you are suffering from the left side. All right. At that time, what you have to do is to say; first is “Nirmala Vidya”. By Nirmala Vidya you [UNCLEAR]. Because once you finish off with Nirmala Vidya, the basis of all this left side comes upon [UNCLEAR/Nirmala Devi]. Then you turn to right. Now, for right, you have to awaken yourself to raise your right side. Now, for raising the right side, start with the Mahasaraswati - prana shakti. Then, you have got Hanumana. Then Rama. Then, on the right-hand side [UNCLEAR]. Like that, you can go on taking the names of all the chakras. Actually [UNCLEAR]. Ultimately, you can say, after coming to [UNCLEAR], Mataji. So for the right side, when you have to go to the right side - then you start all the right-sided things. Brahmadeva. Brahmadeva is prana shakti. Vedas, Gayatri, Savitri, these are all right-sided things. All these you say, your sleep will go away and you will become Surya. This is Surya. This is Surya Nadi. Surya is the Nadi. Surya is Saraswati. Prana shakti. All these are right-sided. And Panchmahabhuta. Is the five elements. All these things are on the right-hand side. If you can evoke the right side, then your left side can become very [UNCLEAR]. You need more of the right side. If you are suffering from the left side, you can start from the left side, the basis and Swadishthana chakra. Or Ganesha, Mooladhara chakra and Swadishthana. And then it shifts all to the right and put the right to the left. All right? Correct? Did you follow this point? If you are suffering from the left side. If you are very sleepy type - in your sleep you get tired. Now, right-sided people who have right-sided thing should start the other way round. Right-sided people should start the other way that they first say the right-sided basic thing that [UNCLEAR/catches]. Now can you tell Me which is the basis for the right side? Tell Me. Please tell Me. Sahaja Yogi: Swadishthana. Shri Mataji: For the right-sided people. You see, what [UNCLEAR] is less, if you are a right-sided person? [UNCLEAR]. Basic? Sahaja Yogi: Swadishthana. Shri Mataji: Na. See, the first affectation is here, if you are a right-sided person. Where is the first affectation? Sahaja Yogini: Swadishthana. Shri Mataji: Na. Sahaja Yogini: No? Shri Mataji: Affectation. Which portion is affected the most by right-sided people? Sahaja Yogini: Ego? Shri Mataji: You see, at the left side is Ganesha, at the right is Kartikeya. But deeper than that, his real affectation starts on the Heart chakra. Before anything was created, it was God Almighty. The Spirit. Isn’t it? Even before Ganesha came into being. [UNCLEAR]. So first of all God, that He exists. That is there in our heart. That “I am the Spirit”. For a right-sided person, that “I am the Spirit”. That He is God Almighty. And “I am just His reflection. And let Him bless me. And I have to surrender to Him”. All that. Ask Him for [UNCLEAR] at that time. At the Heart. You have to awaken your heart if you have a right-sided problem because the heart is like that. If you are right-sided. So affectation is really to the Heart and not so much to your Swadishthana if you are right-sided. Swadishthana is the cause. But the affected portion is the heart. So try to develop your heart. Try to make your heart more giving, more forgiving, more serene than [UNCLEAR]. Heart. It is very difficult. I tell you, left-sided people are very easy to control than the right-sided. Left-sided people are in a problem, they will themselves [UNCLEAR/feel the ache, the pain], the trouble and [UNCLEAR]. But the right-sided people are very harsh to others. They can be very aggressive or even hot-tempered, but they never see that they are. So the heart must be opened out. You should be affectionate, you should be compassionate, you should be kind. So the heart must be absolutely beautiful. [UNCLEAR]. Subtle. For the right-sided people. And the right-sided people always dominate and the left-sided people receive that. Sometimes they give also, complaining and all that. But open your heart. Open your heart. Not just talking of heart but really, really something of the heart. Just do it. Love. That is the only way right-sided people can work it out. [UNCLEAR] just how harsh you have been to others. If you understand the whole and you understand that you are part and parcel of the whole, then it is easy to understand how you are against the whole. The other day I was talking to a gentleman, an MP - about immigration we were talking. And he said that if you count the people who have immigrated from this country - and he said those who have gone to Eurasia, fifty million. The whole of Australia, North America, South America everywhere - see how the English have gone. It comes out to exactly eighty million people. They have been immigrating since long, you see. And not immigrating; they have been rulers. They wiped out people completely. You cannot get one Chilean for medicine in South America. I have seen for Myself. You can’t get one real Argentinian. I mean, they are Spanish only. Everywhere. He said that only from England, eight million people have emigrated outside. If they all have to come back, [UNCLEAR/we could tell them] what you have done to other people. You have killed them, finished them. [UNCLEAR/greed/selfish?]. Then they [UNCLEAR]. Naturally. Then you don’t talk of immigration. I mean, what are you doing? You have allowed some people to immigrate. They are not rulers. They are not viceroys. You keep them at the substandard level. I mean, it is cruelty. Absolute cruelty. I mean, I don’t know what to call - not only cruelty to these people but also a kind of a high-handed attitude that “we can emigrate everywhere we feel like but nobody can dare come into our... [END OF RECORDING].

Transcript of advice to Warwick Road Ashram 1981-07-21 Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR]. Can you bring the baby to Me? I think the church is to [UNCLEAR]. So, now, also you have to baptise this one. All right? The child is baptised already because she is born-realised. But the problem is she has been baptised by these unauthorised people. And so she has a problem in the Sahasrara. And the Sahasra is to be brought [UNCLEAR]. You all say the mantras. Sahaja Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adishakti Mataji Sakshat Shri Bhagwati Sakshat Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah, Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Adishakti Sakshat Shri Bhagwati Sakshat Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah, Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini Mokshapradayini Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: They put all the bhoots into the children. Horrible people. She is a realised soul. She should be good. All right. All right. All right. [UNCLEAR/Shri Mataji is soothing the baby which is crying/giving instructions]. I am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorry. There is no need for the child to cry. That means there is some trouble. Always. See the attack comes on this as soon as the child is born and [UNCLEAR/it] become active. There is an attack on the [UNCLEAR] and they really do not know. People are so vulnerable; you can’t help it? [UNCLEAR for 10-15 seconds]. They don’t understand anything. It is a child. [UNCLEAR]. It has no “pada” (station). Especially the Agyna left and right is caught up so much. The child can suffer. And it happens. And she is a born realised. Imagine. Did she baptise the child? [UNCLEAR response from Sahaja Yogini]. Shri Mataji: Thank God. Annie? What’s that, the box? Your [UNCLEAR]? Sahaja Yogini: [UNCLEAR/People are wasting/using money. Wasting money?]. Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR]. People [UNCLEAR] very fast. [UNCLEAR] some problem. In some way. Hello, come. Are you better now? Are you better. You write it down. [UNCLEAR]. Those people who have been to Narakasura, the first problem is that their faces [UNCLEAR]. [UNCLEAR/ those who have been to Narakasura’s house]. [UNCLEAR]. First of all, we must say the mantra of Narakasura that Twameva Sakshat Narakasuramardini, all right? Now, this must be [UNCLEAR], you change your bath [UNCLEAR]. Left hand up. All right. Begin. Then you put your right hand on left Vishuddhi. Now you must go on saying the mantra. Now say Twameva Sakshat Narakasuramardini. Now say that. Sahaja Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Narakasuramardini Sakshat Shri Adishakti Sakshat Shri Bhagwati Sakshat Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Now this mantra should be said by those who have been practising TM or had anything to do with TM at any time, about at least twenty-one times. Go on till you get to twenty-one times. Then you increase. This mantra is a siddha mantra. Siddha means that you get the power. One of the thousand powers of the Goddess. With that She killed Narakasura. So by that, all these things will disappear, all the [UNCLEAR/influences] of Narakasura. Start with twenty-one. Now all those who suffer from any guru problem in the Void. [Break]. It should be recorded, with all respect, “You are my guru”. With all respect. Say that. “Mother, Thou Art My Guru”. You can say it in English. Does not matter. But you see, with respect. And the Guru is a thing where no questioning. No question. [UNCLEAR]. So put your right hand on the stomach and left hand like this. And go on say, moving right hand like this – “Mother you are my guru. Thou Art my Guru”. [Sahaja Yogis repeat several times, “Mother, Thou Art my Guru”]. Shri Mataji: See all the vibrations. Now, emotionally you should feel that. [UNCLEAR]. I am your guru speaking to you. I am the Mother of all the Gurus. So it is a double...See, understand, I mean, any other person who is supposed to be a great guru [UNCLEAR], this, that. But not the [UNCLEAR]. See Markandeya. Markandeya is one of them. He was a great guru. And a very great saint. [UNCLEAR for a few seconds]. See, this is all the projection, still [UNCLEAR]. Firstly, that you had a guru who is in complete [UNCLEAR] and complete integrity. Can you understand? That you are so perfect [UNCLEAR]. And this will start [UNCLEAR]. This is the first. And the second thing is that when you think that you are so fortunate, all the [UNCLEAR] will go away. “Oh, I am no good, this I have done, that”; forget it. Forget it, forget, forget, forget. When you are sitting in front of your guru, forget that I [UNCLEAR]. Because if your guru [UNCLEAR]. For that, it has [UNCLEAR]. So surrendering before your guru, [UNCLEAR/surrender]. All your conditioning. Everything is conditioning. Whatever you say, “Mother, if I have to die” – like that attitude drops off. And you will be amazed at how you will be the strongest person. That is how [UNCLEAR]. When you said, “Mother, you are my guru”, actually what you have to feel is you are your guru. Is that. [UNCLEAR/you should flower into that]. Because your Mother wants you to be your guru. That is [UNCLEAR/so sweet?]. But in the beginning, you have to say, “Mother, you are my guru”, because that helps you overpower your guru. But actually, you are becoming your guru, because you are already your own guru. Because when you can feel, “Oh God, I am catching Agyna”. Who is telling? It is your own guru, in your stomach. Is telling, “You, Mister XYZ, better look after your Agyna because you are catching on that”. Like yesterday [UNCLEAR/Cooly] was [UNCLEAR] and he was catching on Heart. Started smiling and when I found [UNCLEAR/you better handle your heart] and it was piercing him. So whatever one does, is reflected back and you start correcting because you can’t bear it. Your body only teaches. To improve yourself is easy. You have to, first of all, cleanse your Void, is it not? Ekadasha Rudra is only because of Void. If your Void is clear, then Ekadasha does not come. Ekadasha is a lack of understanding of how [UNCLEAR]. You know that cancer sets in. So be careful. How much you have been subservient to a false guru. And to overcome that, how much more you should be. Of the real being, isn’t it? Absolutely. Once you work it out that way, mentally understanding how much you should be in awe that you know God. [UNCLEAR/ Because I am with you there all the time]. I am very easily accessible for all practical purposes. I am a very, very, very loving Mother. But don’t take liberties with Me. Never take this attitude because you cannot cope with it. Even if I am [UNCLEAR] this way, don’t take liberties in any way with Me. [UNCLEAR for several seconds/be serious]. But still, whenever it is possible you should think that [UNCLEAR/about surrender]. I have to [UNCLEAR/serve?/save] you. I am your Guru, I have to [UNCLEAR/serve?/save] you. But whatever is possible, whenever is possible, some service to your guru, “seva”. Service is a horrible word, but seva. [UNCLEAR]. Even cleaning the [UNCLEAR], washing the home of your guru. Anything you see, of your guru, is precious and has to be [UNCLEAR]. Any such opportunity you get, jump into it, feel happy that you can be of some service. The reward is that you become [UNCLEAR]. On the material level I would say, this happens. On a spiritual level, your spirituality is raised. This is the foundation to be spiritual. See, the Mother Earth. The more you ingrain into Her, the better is the foundation. And the building. In the same way, the more you ingrain yourself into your Mother, all your [UNCLEAR/wishes?] can be fulfilled. Wishes fulfilled. But practice must be done every day. Every weekend or so, you must gather – to go out somewhere to the sea or the river – talk of Sahaja Yoga; nothing else. Sit in a group, try to cure yourselves and practice your gurudom there. See how you talk to others. How you behave. You see deception or in any way bossing – any such nonsensical thing is not going to help you. And a proper personality, proper understanding [UNCLEAR]. Very serious people can pull you down and very frightened people can also pull you down. So you have to be in the centre – be cheerful, confident, kind but still, dignified. Everything must have a relevance to a spiritual [UNCLEAR/level]. [UNCLEAR for some seconds]. Get rid of your guru problems. Let us see – the load is unbalanced. Now, most of you who suffer from guru are left-sided. Take it from it. Take Narakasura for example. For example. He was killed by the Goddess. So is the left-side. On the left side is the Devi. One thousand names of the Devi; try to remember at least seven to eight by heart. [UNCLEAR]. 108 [UNCLEAR]. Not sufficient. Say those names. Not like a mechanical thing but with understanding. Lemon and all these things will help. Try them out. The vacuum that is there can only be filled by spirituality. And that can only fill if you understand that you have to have tremendous faith in your guru. Tremendous faith. And complete [UNCLEAR/reverence/innocence?]. Then only it will work out. Now the other day I don’t know if you understood the mantras or not. But at least, twenty-five per cent, I should say fifty per cent were for your [UNCLEAR], what you sacrifice. Mostly the people sacrifice their intelligence, [UNCLEAR], most of them. What you sacrifice is the most important. What you should sacrifice are all material comforts and material things. You must learn to be spartan. And you will be amazed that Maharashtrians are the most spartan; most spartan. They will finish their bath quickly, they will go, arrange their routine, come out clean, they are really very speedy. In a room like that, ten people were living with one bathroom. So that is what one has to become - spartan. I mean, it is a very good way of making your body less [UNCLEAR/lazy]. Whatever you try with your body, only so many times tell your body. [Recording probably breaks and resumes]. Everyone has that depth. A proper way of talking to one another. Like French style. Always complaining. Always sarcastic. French can talk to French; they are all one. One says one thing, another says another thing. It is not a good thing. For Sahaja Yogis. You should be pleasant and never, grumpy types, grumbling all the time, miserable people. Talking about your misery, “That is not good, this is not good”, or about the others also. You see about [UNCLEAR/others], “Did he tell you this? Did he do this? This is not good, that is not good”. It is not a good style of life. You can never enjoy yourself and nobody can enjoy you. Do not complain about anything. Avoid all the complaints. I mean you see Me, “I have never complained of anything whatsoever”. Even if I find out there is anything wrong. In fact, I never complain. About puja, you did not have certain things yesterday, I said, “Don’t worry. You did not do this. All right”. Did I shout at you? Or complain? Or do something? But some people do it with a very [UNCLEAR]. But there is no complaint. Complaining nature is the worst thing which is given and I must tell you, the French also - their tongue. And English people, they are [UNCLEAR/obstinate]. Their [UNCLEAR/obstinacy?] makes the Indians too because they find some [UNCLEAR] lunatic effects. [UNCLEAR for forty seconds]. And the complaining, irritated temperament is the worst of all. Some people are so irritated that you don’t know how to talk to them. Impossible. If you are irritated, the best thing is to have a nice massage, you see. Take a nice massage of say, oil or something, [UNCLEAR]. There is also Vitamin B complex, for people who are irritated. Take Vitamin B complex, [UNCLEAR/you will feel all right]. Else you can have a steam bath. A steam bath is very good for irritated people, you see. It will soothe them. Using oil for the hair is also very good for the hair. Little oil should be there. You see, that also takes out irritation. Putting oil into the ear, I mean it is just like putting oil in your being. You oil your being - then the frictional irritation is less. This irritable nature also comes by ego-oriented temperament. That you are something special. “What am I?”, ask yourself some time. “What am I? What do I think of myself? What is so great about me?”. People should think like this, “What was I before Sahaja Yoga? I was [UNCLEAR]? What was I? Nobody”. God does not recognise. Any one of them, be it a king or [UNCLEAR/pope], God is not going to recognise. He is only going to recognise the Sahaja Yogis, that is all. You may be anything - God is not going to recognise. You walk in with anything - God is not going to do so. So in, [UNCLEAR] good points of [UNCLEAR]. For example, I was to say [UNCLEAR]. Now take their good points. Not their bad points. Now what are the good points of French, let us see. French have one good point, very good point. That whatever they do, they do it properly. They try. Even if they have to arrange some puja or [UNCLEAR], they are not haphazard. That is the good thing about them. They are not haphazard. They systematically work it out and they do it properly. But English can be haphazard. Can be haphazard. When they do something, can be haphazard. So you have to learn from them not to be haphazard. But French should not think any end of themselves because they are not haphazard. So what they should think is that what defects we have got and what good things others have got. If you start seeing good in others and bad in yourself I tell you; you will become [UNCLEAR]. To begin with. This is for ego-oriented people. Good in others and bad in yourself. Because by seeing bad in yourself you can correct - can you correct the bad in others? I mean, take, let us just take an absolutely practical example. Supposing I see another house is dirty. What is the use of My seeing the other house is dirty? My house is dirty; I better clean it. I have all the right on My house and I can do of My house. I cannot do up the other house. So what is the use of seeing the bad of others? If I see in My house [UNCLEAR/what is dirty] and if I can see the good of others, I can bring that in My house. It is as simple as that; it is practical also. To see the good of others and bad to yourself. If you can bend yourself and without getting jealous of others - without those two things, if you can work it out on those lines, it will help you a lot. And for the English, I would say that they are good at admitting their faults. Very good at admitting their faults. That is something about the English. But that also sometimes can works as a [UNCLEAR/guilt] - “All right, I am sorry”. Murder somebody and say, “I am sorry”. Does not work out, you see. “All right. I murdered him. So I am sorry”. But other things [UNCLEAR] come round and so what? You better come to the court. So just by saying sorry you can’t get out of it. But they will admit their faults. That is one thing good about them, they admit. But they must [UNCLEAR/correct] also. If you admit your faults and you do not correct, you continue with it because it is a very good sort of [UNCLEAR/freedom?] - go on saying, “All right, I did this, I did this” without [UNCLEAR], “I am sorry for this”. But you should be the judge of yourself. And punish yourself. Like, if you have been harsh to someone or said something bad, or in some toxic way you have behaved - then do not eat your food. I tell you, that is the best punishment. For two days. Just be on water. For two days; then see what happens. You will behave yourself, I tell you. Just punish yourself. If your eyes are still hovering, [UNCLEAR/blindly], close your eyes and walk like a blind man. On the road also. [UNCLEAR]. Close your eyes. Just don’t see anything. For two days you are not allowed to see anything. Sit before the television with closed eyes. Your eyes will be cured. Punishment. Because you are the judge and you are the punisher. Judge yourself and punish yourself. Say that, “[UNCLEAR], this is what you have done. Now let us take punishment”. And then start punching yourself. And you will be amazed, this body becomes absolutely first-class. You know, that somebody is sitting in front of you, somebody watches - you cannot cheat that person. We say that [UNCLEAR], somebody who is the knower of the king. And once you start judging yourself, you become the Spirit. Your attention becomes the Spirit. You become detached. You start saying, “Oh this Nirmala is [UNCLEAR/ this”. You start talking in the third person. I mean I, many a time, do that. This Adishakti does that. [UNCLEAR]. Even if I am tired, I am very tired, This Body says that “I am tired” - I say, “[UNCLEAR/Listen], this Adishakti won’t listen. She will go. Whether you like it or not”. So poor Body has to assemble itself and all that. So Adishakti is the ruling Deity of This Body, so This Body has to accept whatever the Adishakti says. So establish your Spirit because you are the Spirit. And you should say, “Oh this Spirit is not going to listen, better listen to it because it is a dominating Spirit”. Whatever it is. And then the body reacts - you get energy, you get [UNCLEAR], you benefit. All your identification finishes once and for all. Misidentification. So this one has to achieve and understand. And that is how gurudom and all [UNCLEAR] will get rid of you. All the mantras of the left side are very good for the people who have got problems of the left side. You can start it off from the left side, as you know, the first one is “Shri Nirmala Vidya”. The sign of the left side is the person who suffers from the left side - when I am talking he will go off to sleep. If you feel sleepy when I am talking, know that you are suffering from the left side. All right. At that time, what you have to do is to say; first is “Nirmala Vidya”. By Nirmala Vidya you [UNCLEAR]. Because once you finish off with Nirmala Vidya, the basis of all this left side comes upon [UNCLEAR/Nirmala Devi]. Then you turn to right. Now, for right, you have to awaken yourself to raise your right side. Now, for raising the right side, start with the Mahasaraswati - prana shakti. Then, you have got Hanumana. Then Rama. Then, on the right-hand side [UNCLEAR]. Like that, you can go on taking the names of all the chakras. Actually [UNCLEAR]. Ultimately, you can say, after coming to [UNCLEAR], Mataji. So for the right side, when you have to go to the right side - then you start all the right-sided things. Brahmadeva. Brahmadeva is prana shakti. Vedas, Gayatri, Savitri, these are all right-sided things. All these you say, your sleep will go away and you will become Surya. This is Surya. This is Surya Nadi. Surya is the Nadi. Surya is Saraswati. Prana shakti. All these are right-sided. And Panchmahabhuta. Is the five elements. All these things are on the right-hand side. If you can evoke the right side, then your left side can become very [UNCLEAR]. You need more of the right side. If you are suffering from the left side, you can start from the left side, the basis and Swadishthana chakra. Or Ganesha, Mooladhara chakra and Swadishthana. And then it shifts all to the right and put the right to the left. All right? Correct? Did you follow this point? If you are suffering from the left side. If you are very sleepy type - in your sleep you get tired. Now, right-sided people who have right-sided thing should start the other way round. Right-sided people should start the other way that they first say the right-sided basic thing that [UNCLEAR/catches]. Now can you tell Me which is the basis for the right side? Tell Me. Please tell Me. Sahaja Yogi: Swadishthana. Shri Mataji: For the right-sided people. You see, what [UNCLEAR] is less, if you are a right-sided person? [UNCLEAR]. Basic? Sahaja Yogi: Swadishthana. Shri Mataji: Na. See, the first affectation is here, if you are a right-sided person. Where is the first affectation? Sahaja Yogini: Swadishthana. Shri Mataji: Na. Sahaja Yogini: No? Shri Mataji: Affectation. Which portion is affected the most by right-sided people? Sahaja Yogini: Ego? Shri Mataji: You see, at the left side is Ganesha, at the right is Kartikeya. But deeper than that, his real affectation starts on the Heart chakra. Before anything was created, it was God Almighty. The Spirit. Isn’t it? Even before Ganesha came into being. [UNCLEAR]. So first of all God, that He exists. That is there in our heart. That “I am the Spirit”. For a right-sided person, that “I am the Spirit”. That He is God Almighty. And “I am just His reflection. And let Him bless me. And I have to surrender to Him”. All that. Ask Him for [UNCLEAR] at that time. At the Heart. You have to awaken your heart if you have a right-sided problem because the heart is like that. If you are right-sided. So affectation is really to the Heart and not so much to your Swadishthana if you are right-sided. Swadishthana is the cause. But the affected portion is the heart. So try to develop your heart. Try to make your heart more giving, more forgiving, more serene than [UNCLEAR]. Heart. It is very difficult. I tell you, left-sided people are very easy to control than the right-sided. Left-sided people are in a problem, they will themselves [UNCLEAR/feel the ache, the pain], the trouble and [UNCLEAR]. But the right-sided people are very harsh to others. They can be very aggressive or even hot-tempered, but they never see that they are. So the heart must be opened out. You should be affectionate, you should be compassionate, you should be kind. So the heart must be absolutely beautiful. [UNCLEAR]. Subtle. For the right-sided people. And the right-sided people always dominate and the left-sided people receive that. Sometimes they give also, complaining and all that. But open your heart. Open your heart. Not just talking of heart but really, really something of the heart. Just do it. Love. That is the only way right-sided people can work it out. [UNCLEAR] just how harsh you have been to others. If you understand the whole and you understand that you are part and parcel of the whole, then it is easy to understand how you are against the whole. The other day I was talking to a gentleman, an MP - about immigration we were talking. And he said that if you count the people who have immigrated from this country - and he said those who have gone to Eurasia, fifty million. The whole of Australia, North America, South America everywhere - see how the English have gone. It comes out to exactly eighty million people. They have been immigrating since long, you see. And not immigrating; they have been rulers. They wiped out people completely. You cannot get one Chilean for medicine in South America. I have seen for Myself. You can’t get one real Argentinian. I mean, they are Spanish only. Everywhere. He said that only from England, eight million people have emigrated outside. If they all have to come back, [UNCLEAR/we could tell them] what you have done to other people. You have killed them, finished them. [UNCLEAR/greed/selfish?]. Then they [UNCLEAR]. Naturally. Then you don’t talk of immigration. I mean, what are you doing? You have allowed some people to immigrate. They are not rulers. They are not viceroys. You keep them at the substandard level. I mean, it is cruelty. Absolute cruelty. I mean, I don’t know what to call - not only cruelty to these people but also a kind of a high-handed attitude that “we can emigrate everywhere we feel like but nobody can dare come into our... [END OF RECORDING].

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Seminar, Open your Heart

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1981-0802 Seminar, Open Your Heart, Mill Farm, Yetminster, Dorset (United Kingdom) What a beautiful place we are all in.It's a real blessing of Sahaja Yoga for all of you to relax, relax well. Because in relaxation only you realize that, we are now Realized souls. That we have entered into the kingdom of heaven. That we can see the beauty what God has created around us. That we have become sensitive to His grace and to His kindness and to His love. It's a seminar that you have arranged and I'm very happy. I always wanted you to arrange seminars and that you all should meet together and live together, and understand each other. The seminars on the gross level they work out many things no doubt. But on subtler levels, seminars of the Sahaja yogis, means a lot. It means that a strong nucleus is being consolidated in various places in a country. And these strongholds or we can say the strong nucleus which is created like this, can form a mechanism by which beams of strong vibrations could flow or could be thrown all over the places. It's a very great task to build up these mechanisms, these divine mechanisms in different parts of your country. For example, Mother Earth has done Her job. Wherever it was possible for Her, She has created living deities to show that God exists. That you can now test their vibrations and see for yourself how She has worked very hard. She has created all this beautiful universe. She has created you also. She has created the kundalini within you. She represents the beautiful nature we can say. In Her company, in Her bounties when you are drenched and you all meet each other, you see for yourself that how She blesses all of you just the same. There is no difference between you and any other person for Her. But those who are sensitive, are subtler people, enjoy Her much more than you people do. Now the problem that exists in every country has its own style I have seen. And as in this country also we have a style of problems which comes. Gradually it's changing its form. In the beginning I found that people were overaggressive, sceptical and also could be rude also sometimes. It's all right. Makes no difference to Me. Now gradually they started changing over. Now they are becoming aware of what they have got, what role they are playing, how important it is to be an Englishman. And when I say English I mean all the English people, not Wales or anything different, and how they have to become part and parcel of the heart of the universe. I wondered how many of you really realize how important it is to be an Englishman. That everything that happens in this country circulates. For example if this royal wedding had taken place in any other royal family it would not have circulated so much. Everything circulates from this country. Maybe you may not think much of yourself. You may think that what is so great after all this England is like any other country. But you see why people accept so many things from you? Like even a monarchy, I mean most of the countries have thrown away their monarchies. And in this country it exists and it has a respectable position. And the symbol of a monarchy is still lingering here in a very proud way. Then the marriage itself, the marriages of royal families are always detested and protested and nobody is interested. And such a auspicious thing should take place here and that everybody should see it. So many countries should watch it and appreciate it and enjoy it of all the things. It's something surprising. It transcends all rationality, all understanding of even logic we can say that what is the logic behind it? But if you are enjoying it you just enjoy. You don't want to think about it why you are enjoying. So, one has to understand that you are part and parcel of the heart of the universe. One thing is essential that you have to be very flexible people. You have to have the flexibility of the heart cells we can say. Now heart has to pump. It has to be strong. And surprisingly lion is your emblem. So you have to have a lion's heart. And lion's heart means he is not afraid. He is the king. He knows he's the king and he lives like a king. Like a lion and Leo as in astrology or if you say is a man who is extremely generous, lion hearted, not afraid of anyone. There should be no fear. But English language if you read anyone or if you listen to anyone, every third sentence he'll come with the word, "I'm afraid. I'm afraid to say, I'm afraid this is so"... This word must be dropped out from the vocabulary of Sahaja yogis. What is there to be afraid of? Some people say that this is said because we do not want to hurt other people. There are so many other ways of saying things without hurting others. But what is there to be afraid of? A man who is weak cannot love. Only a strong person can love. If you talk of love first of all see whether you are strong enough to love or not. Loving is not a easy thing, even carnal love, even loving your beloved of in the ordinary sense. It's not a easy thing. You have to have a very strong moral concept, otherwise every third minute people start changing their loves. That kind of a love has no meaning. You have to have a very firm ideas. Not only ideas in your brain but built within you. Very few people can really have a love as Romeo had, I can tell you this. It's easy to think that you are a Romeo, it's different. You can think you are you are the King of England, it's all right. But you don't become that way. So to be Romeo itself you have to have a tremendous character. A tremendous sense of sacrifice and love and understanding of what you want. You want to love, that's all nothing beyond or before. I mean a man when he falls in love he falls in love forever and ever and ever. If he falls in love many a times it cannot be love. So that experience also is sort of is a forbidden fruit for most of them. So, to love God is even more difficult, without seeing Him, without knowing Him, without knowing His bounties, without getting Realization. It is very difficult. But today that is not the case. But still you have to have no fear in your mind, trust, you trust yourself and trust others. First of all, try to trust yourself. If you have made mistakes, you have to say, "Yes, I have made mistakes, all right so what?" Trust yourself that you can correct yourself also. Trusting doesn't mean blind ego trip. It does not mean that. Trust means that "Yes I can correct myself. I can improve. I can do better." Some people think that if you trust yourself then you should never confess anything that you have done wrong. That you should never say that, "It was wrong and I can correct". This is a wrong idea. You have to trust yourself by saying that, "Yes I have done mistakes. I have been doing wrong. I have been faltering but I can correct. I have that strength within me. I can rise above all these things. I have that thing within me which I can use to my advantage". Trust yourself. Trust that you are realized souls. Trust that God loves you. That He has chosen you to be His instrument. Love yourself. You are unique no doubt. As it is, human beings, every individual is an unique person. But after Realization, you are definitely unique person. It never means ego trip. One has to use discretion about understanding. It never means ego trip. If you cannot correct yourself, you are not master of yourself. Yes you are not perfect. You are unique but you are not perfect. You have to perfect yourself. These words can be very confusing. When I say you are unique immediately, you think you are perfect. These are two words, unique and perfect. Somebody can be unique but he can have imperfections. So you have to perfect yourself. And trust in yourself that you can perfect yourself, through your kundalini awakening, clearing your charkas. By understanding yourself, you can perfect yourself. You have to perfect. I have so many ways I tell you; directly, sometimes indirectly, through friends, somehow point out that this is the problem with you. You should think that I am within you. I am that part within you which is discretion. When you do not understand your own discretion, I try to give you the direction by this way or that way. But people feel hurt. People feel bad or, some of them accept it. If you are seekers and if you are ascending, you are definitely unique, one specially blessed. And you have to pay special attention to yourself. You can't afford to play with yourself. So you have to discriminate between ego or ego trips as they call it and ascent. Ego trips bring you back with the worst hurting. It would be something like throwing you in the air and again you come back with a bump and break one of your necks or something like that. That's what ego trip is. But ascent is where you really rise above. Not only that you rise but with you, you make others rise. In your ascent, you develop tremendous powers. The higher you ascend the better it is. But not by understanding that I am perfect you can ascend, never so. There's a story of a teacher and a student. The teacher was very kind to the student and he would come and show him his creations. He was very kind to him. And every time he would say that, "I have done this good and this is the thing that I have not been able to do so will you please tell me how to correct it?" And the teacher would say, "Yes, good, you better correct this part, then do this." And one day the student came and said, "Now this is perfect". He said, "You are no more student now." So he said, "No more. You are not to come to me anymore." There was another student who was coming every day and correcting himself. And he told to his teacher that, "Today I think I can teach others but not yet perfect". He said, "All right you go and teach." The third one was a student who came and he was always trying to see what was the mistake and how he has to correct and how he worked very hard, very assiduous, very hard working and he came to his teacher one day and he said, "Sir, I will not trouble you anymore now". He said, "True. Now you take my seat." That is what one has to understand. You ascend. You will become humbler. It is just the other way around people understand. You see when they ascend they think we have achieved some special powers. I don't know. Suddenly self-certification starts you see. I am very good in spirituality. I am very high up and all that, this self-certificate starts. And then it can reach such a point that suddenly you found you are on the earth again. This kind of thing is not the way it works out. Actually the people who ascend there are certain qualities that show on them. The first thing is your collectivity. How collective you are. With how many people you can carry on. At how many things you can laugh. That is one of the biggest qualities. The second quality is that how much you accept another's domination who, cuts down your collectivity. You must have your personality separate from everyone. If you allow others to cut your personality, say for example, there is a boss and you are the, you are the employee. And the boss is not realized soul and you are an realized soul. Or maybe both are realized souls. Take it like that. And one of them is ascending. Then he becomes humbler, he becomes better, there are congenial relationship, but to a point. He will never compromise with his boss when it comes to his ascent, to his collectivity, to his giving, to his doing things for others. On that point he'll never have any domination because how much you feel responsible about yourself is the second point. How much you are responsible to be there, to be a cell in the heart. Any cell that fails, fails the heart. Every cell in the heart has to be extremely sensitive and extremely obedient to the Self, to the Spirit. It has to activate, work harder when there is need, there emergency. That it enjoys the most. And no impurity should be allowed, the third point now. As I told you first is collectivity, secondly your responsibility and third point is purity. Purity of your own heart first of all, of your own heart, about sincerity, cunningness. As I am saying this you will be realizing that all Englishmen believe in the contrary, nowadays, not olden times, but nowadays. Clean heart, transparent, open heart. Trust others. Talk to everyone with an open heart. Trust others. Why do you doubt? If you do not doubt yourself, you'll not doubt others. What are they going to take away from you? What have you got? Nobody can take away your nose, eyes, nothing. It's all quite intact. It's all nicely glued down. So nothing is going to disappear. What are they going to hurt to a person who is a realized soul? If your heart is clean, you can see the other person clearly through and through. Innocence is such a powerful thing, such a powerful thing that even a glance is sufficient to kill a Satan. Purity of heart, actually when the heart becomes impure the impurity flows down to other places. It is not the other way round, is from the heart. Many people believe that it's the body that becomes impure. I think it is the heart, which becomes really impure, and then it starts trickling down to the body and then it is residual there. It settles down there. So have a clean open heart like a child's heart. Open heart. What is there to be afraid of anyone? What is there not to trust anyone? What is there to be angry with anyone? Talk to everyone, shake hands with everyone, be nice to everyone. On the way you find somebody's difficulty, give him a hand. If somebody cannot sit properly or has a problem you try to remove the problem. If the person cannot stand, give the place. Try to give from your clean heart. If your heart is not clean, it can never give. Now how do you clean the heart is the subject which Felicity wanted me to discuss, is how to clean the heart. There is no broom available for that in the supermarket. There are no Fairy liquids or anything to wash it down. But there is a way. Allow your heart to be drenched in your Mother's love. Just allow. See how much She loves you. I trust you. People laugh at Me sometimes. Some of these saints who are supposed to be very great people, they can't understand how I trust you. They’d say that oh these are all lost races? These are horrible people how do you trust them. They are not sanyasis, they are not sadhus, they are nothing. They are ordinary people. For them I mean your value is nothing. They'll if you go to them they will make you stand on your head for three months. For three years, they may hang you on a well. I don't know what they will do to test you. But I trusted you the day I saw you. The day you came to me I trusted you. And I worked on you from the very first day, knowing what you are but I trust your Spirit that it would shine, in the same way, trust. We laugh at others. I have seen Sahaja Yogis laugh at others; make fun of them when they come to Me. Trust them. When you will trust them, you will respect them also. So you have to believe in yourself and enjoy the way gently you are sweeping into the current of your Mother's love. Just enjoy that. Like a flower that falls into the current and flows and enjoys all the beauties of that current. In the same way, you should enjoy. When that enjoyment comes into you, you will start trusting. And trust your Mother. I try many things to correct you. But trust in one thing, that whatever I try for you or do anything, anything I may do for you it is just to clean you. That's My job. May sometimes you might feel I am publicly saying things for you. May be your images are being ruined by that or whatever you may think. That's not the way, is for your hitha, is for the well-being of your Spirit. And that is the most difficult job. With all this, trust in your heart. First trust yourself, trust others, other Sahaja Yogis. Love thy neighbour as thyself. Who is your neighbour? He is a Sahaja Yogi. Stand by him. And trust your Mother. As I have trusted you, you have to trust Me, and it will work out. Open your heart to this trust. You should not worry whether it would be protocolish all right or not, whether it would be absolutely respectable or not, because heart knows. Whatever your heart will do in its genuine form will be respectable, because there resides your Spirit, which manifests. That will look after you. By outer forms, whatever you try is not going to work out. It is that trust in your loving heart that is going to work. It doesn't matter. You see today she brought some flowers. There were some supposed to be weeds according to her. She went to the station and there she was taking some flowers out. And the station master and his wife were very sweet and they said, "Oh go ahead. They are only weeds you can have them." And they are so fragrant. One of the most fragrant flowers I have ever seen. They are just weeds. They do not conform to any formal flowers, but just few flowers attached to other flowers were most fragrant. Love gives all the sophistication and the fragrance and all the breeding that is required. Not talking of love but really loving is the way, is most enjoyable. Today I wanted to tell you something good about Greece before we start off with the Puja for about ten minutes. Very interesting things have happened. When I went to Greece, I knew that I had to go to Greece. And they told me that they believed in the beginning in one Mother, in one Primordial Mother. But after sometime there were some Indo-Aryan people, Indo-Aryan who came down to them. And they said, "Yes there is one Mother but She has many aspects and these aspects are expressed as different Gods." And then they told about all the Gods, which you know of. But they, they later on made them absolutely human type of Gods and they spoilt it. But still there are certain things so amazing it was. Like Athena is the name of the Goddess, the Primordial Mother. But Athena Atha, Atha in Sanskrit means the primordial. And they got the word from Athena. And to the water they call Neeru, Nero. And in Sanskrit it is Nira. My name is at home is I am called as Nira, means from water. It's very surprising how many words there are, like I said - told them about the canters. They said, "Kendro," in Sanskrit it is Kendra. But the best was in Delphi when I went, we were surprised at something they said, "That it is the navel of the universe". I said, "Europe is the liver and Greece is the navel." They showed a point that is the navel it was vibrating. And not only that but they showed the most remarkable thing was that this is the mound, which is actually the expression of the navel is the mound which is actually has come out the Mother Earth is the one this one. And this is actually Athena according to them. This is that has come out of the Mother Earth. I saw the vibrations were tremendous. And next to that there were lot of vibrations coming so I turned round and what I find? Is a Ganesha, absolute Ganesha there sitting down with a beautiful trunk, the face and the ears and the eyes, and the stomach! Can you believe it? Sitting next to Her and absolutely the vibrations coming. I mean I didn't have a photograph I mean camera or anything otherwise I would have taken a photograph but now if you go and you can see. Another thing is they showed the egg, just imagine, and the eternal egg from where the other eggs come out you see! And the eggs are shown divided the same way into spindles as they do which doctors know they have seen under microscope. But how did they see, those Greeks? God only knows. But there's another side to it. First they use to get Amruta. Is the one that was meant for the Gods by which they were given eternal life in the sense they were appointed as permanent features you see. But then the same thing they wanted everybody to have so they started using some that was called as ambrosia. They converted into something else and they started calling it Ambrosia and some sort of a LSD business. So also, they went into trance so the rest of it is all supra-conscious. And that supra-conscious also side by side exists. Now discretion has to be used how around reality always supra-conscious or collective subconscious works out, one way or the other. And you have to go to the point where the reality exists. But what happens you get lost into the supra-conscious or you get lost into the superego or we can say the, the collective subconscious area. So you see both things are to be found out. Like an Indian temple, you go, you'll find all surrounded by collective subconscious. Too much ritualism, ritualistic, ritualism takes them to the left side. With that they go to the problem of getting all these women who get spirits, they go on, "hoohoohoo" before the deities, and then they tell the name of the horse and all those things. In Mahalakshmi’ s temple, which is a real temple, where all the three deities have come out in Bombay where I used to live very close to that place, just imagine, and this is very common. So to understand how human beings reacted to that is very well shown in Delphi. It's a beautiful thing is so done. But I was amazed at the Temple of Athena when we went there. It's so much so near to the thing that the Mooladhara is shown there where the Kundalini exists. Now She is the one who has snakes around Her, see? And She has little, little snakes as Her children. Can you imagine? And She is one, and She has a daughter, which is the Kundalini in you and a God who is a child God. And when She stands She has a Kundalini in her hand, the snake coming out of Her hand. With all the charkas, she is made. It's so beautifully shown. The best was Her Sanctum Sanctorum where nobody is allowed to go inside where She resides, is the Adi Kundalini. But they say that She came out of the head of Zeus, the Primordial Kundalini. And Her place nobody can go inside, nobody can reach except for Her son, the child son. But Her steps are very large also are roundish. She curved. Can you imagine? They're curved as if part of the Kundalas they are. And they are 3 ½ in height, you can see that, in height and in width also. Like every place is made of big, I mean the three are made of big stones and the last one is made of the small, three and a half, and they go in a curve. And that is Sanctum Sanctorum nobody can go inside. Now what an expression it was. This was the early Expression and Athens is after Her name Athena. If you see the face also you will find your Mother very much there. I've got the photographs and all that which I will show you later on. But what I'm saying the Mother Earth has done Her job. People have done their job. Christ or we can say Mohammed or Buddha, Kabira, anyone of them; they have done their jobs, alright. They have worked for you. They have created places within you. They have done their job. Now it is you who are on the stage, not Me. Sahasrara has to work it out. And Sahasrara always surrounds the heart. You are enlightened by your Spirit, which resides in your heart. And the whole Sahasrara’s mandalas are around the heart. So as you are now the temple of that Spirit, you are the heart. You have to be very, very assiduous. This is the fourth point, which is again against all Englishmen. They are holidaying permanently. The whole attention is in holidays. At the slightest pretext, they are on a holiday. The word holiday comes from the word holy day, is to do something holy on that day. God took his leave from the whole world for one day to cleanse Himself and to be in a holy condition. Because you see when you clear other people, when you create something, then you want to have some time to yourself and to enjoy yourself. That's why He got this holiday. Here it is permanent holiday not holy day, holly means hollow. It's hollow day. And this madness of holiday is of course I am working out on my level to cut it down. This is the time one has to really get into Sahaja Yoga, work hard, is the time to give up all your lethargies. You have to get out of your sleep. I have seen people – I’ve told, she asked Me that, "Mother we would like to have your puja". I said, "I know why you want to have puja is good because puja means flooding." The floods come in, ah everybody feels fine. Some feel fine for a month, some for a week, some for a day, some for an hour. Again, as it is. Because with flooding you feel the water has come inside. But it should be needed; there should be some depth. That is not done. Every Sahaja Yogi must do it every day, is a part of his life. Cleansing is a part of his life. Is just like brushing his teeth. Even if he does not brush his teeth does not matter. I do not brush My teeth every night. You might have noticed it. I need not brush. My teeth are still solid and I was asking My husband, "When do the human beings lose their teeth?" He said, "You have already passed that age." I said, "That means I will never lose My teeth?" He said, "May not." But I never brush My teeth in the night before sleeping as you people religiously do. The most important thing is cleansing yourself every night. Whether you cleanse it with water or rub it yourself with salt or with butter or you do the tratrika, with the flame, do what you like but you have to pay attention to your cleansing every night. And morning time you have to surrender before doing anything else. You have to get up early all right get up early. Do what you like but you have to work hard. And you have to think every day what have I done for Sahaja Yoga today? It's not the same cycle we are going to start you see. Once you have denied materialism you became hippies, now after coming out of that we are not going to start the same cycle of materialism. This is a new way where we have to go, where we understand our detachments from things. It's all right. We are not going to run away from matter but we are going to master it. If we get it well and good if we don't get it well and good, it's just the same, makes no difference. And hard work is needed now, real hard work I tell you because now I'm going to America. When I am there, there is so much of lethargy; when I don't allow you to sleep after 6 o'clock even if you try. I've done that if you notice, rather difficult for people to sleep after six. But, still, when I go away you have to really work very hard and keep yourself clean every day and write it down on a piece of paper. By the time I come back again I find all my horses. That's not going to be this time. Today you have to promise Me that, that all of you are going to work very hard, cleanse yourself completely. Go all out. After all, this country is not so big to travel. It makes a big impressive. You have seen Australian Times. I had only one Sahaja Yogi with me thank God, that was Mr. Regis. I was only controlling him. Only one horse I had to control and he was all right. He behaved very well, otherwise he could have gone off you know. Anything is possible under the sun. But he behaved very well. He was quite under control and they were impressed by his presence there and they called him serene. Imagine Regis very serene. And he was very sweet I must say and he explained to them very well because he is well educated, he is a doctor. Today I played a trick on him though, I'm sorry for that. It was too much, whatever it is, but he, it worked out and he’s done it well. In the same way it is you people I have seen it and said it again and again, that you are the people who are going to bring Sahaja Yoga. You are the people who are going to do it. I am nothing. You see now when there is waterfall, what energy do you see? Nothing, it's just a waterfall. But when you put it to turbines and take out that electricity from the turbines and then you see them here then you say yes there is electricity. Whatever is potential has no meaning. Whatever is kinetic, whatever is showing has a meaning. And so it is for you to be the showpieces of Sahaja Yoga, not Me. Because some will say that, "Oh you may be, so what, you are a different clan altogether." Some may say that, "Oh we can't believe you." But they will believe you much more they will believe Me. They will not believe Me at all. They'll say I'm fantastic. I, I cannot be understood, you see? So they won't believe Me, they will believe you. They will not trust Me, but they will trust you. They would not trust Christ but they will trust you because you are one of them. That is why it is important that you should improve in all sincerity, in all truthfulness to yourself. Become a perfect mechanism of God. No reservations, should be no reservation. You see thinking, "All right, if I do this much then it's all right, then I come back.'' This is not all out effort. It seems to be very common you see, ‘cutting corners’ as they say. "Oh this much, all right, should I do this much or should I do this much?" I've seen very much discretion is used for all these things. It's typical you see, "How many people so how many sandwiches? They will eat at the most two or three what's the use of making more? So but everybody will not eat three so make it say two is all right, somebody will eat one." These calculations, see? Who will eat one? The one who is calculating should not eat at all, then that's the best way. But it's all this calculations starts in the mind you see and these calculations ruin you. It's a very tricky path. I know it's very tricky. But you have beacons before you. Really I tell you, ‘lit’. Nobody had that. And you have got the torches in your hand. And you have a balancing way automatically in built. Just trust in all those things, and if you walk straight forward, straight forward, forget all that is past, all that is nonsensical. Forget it, you are a different person. I'm sure you'll rise very fast. And you will be really a living, organized being. All of you put together. Living, organized. These two are not complimentary ever. Because living is always disorganized, according to human concept like they will say that this flower comes out this way that should come out that way. That human being's thinking but God thinks that this is the way it is organized. So, living organized means organized in the will of God. That's how Sahaja Yogi are going to form that nucleus, that great nucleus, that powerful nucleus, that tremendous source which is going to overthrow all that is nonsensical. It is tremendous, believe Me. May God bless you (So now, you want to have My puja? Mm, come along)

1981-0802 Seminar, Open Your Heart, Mill Farm, Yetminster, Dorset (United Kingdom) What a beautiful place we are all in.It's a real blessing of Sahaja Yoga for all of you to relax, relax well. Because in relaxation only you realize that, we are now Realized souls. That we have entered into the kingdom of heaven. That we can see the beauty what God has created around us. That we have become sensitive to His grace and to His kindness and to His love. It's a seminar that you have arranged and I'm very happy. I always wanted you to arrange seminars and that you all should meet together and live together, and understand each other. The seminars on the gross level they work out many things no doubt. But on subtler levels, seminars of the Sahaja yogis, means a lot. It means that a strong nucleus is being consolidated in various places in a country. And these strongholds or we can say the strong nucleus which is created like this, can form a mechanism by which beams of strong vibrations could flow or could be thrown all over the places. It's a very great task to build up these mechanisms, these divine mechanisms in different parts of your country. For example, Mother Earth has done Her job. Wherever it was possible for Her, She has created living deities to show that God exists. That you can now test their vibrations and see for yourself how She has worked very hard. She has created all this beautiful universe. She has created you also. She has created the kundalini within you. She represents the beautiful nature we can say. In Her company, in Her bounties when you are drenched and you all meet each other, you see for yourself that how She blesses all of you just the same. There is no difference between you and any other person for Her. But those who are sensitive, are subtler people, enjoy Her much more than you people do. Now the problem that exists in every country has its own style I have seen. And as in this country also we have a style of problems which comes. Gradually it's changing its form. In the beginning I found that people were overaggressive, sceptical and also could be rude also sometimes. It's all right. Makes no difference to Me. Now gradually they started changing over. Now they are becoming aware of what they have got, what role they are playing, how important it is to be an Englishman. And when I say English I mean all the English people, not Wales or anything different, and how they have to become part and parcel of the heart of the universe. I wondered how many of you really realize how important it is to be an Englishman. That everything that happens in this country circulates. For example if this royal wedding had taken place in any other royal family it would not have circulated so much. Everything circulates from this country. Maybe you may not think much of yourself. You may think that what is so great after all this England is like any other country. But you see why people accept so many things from you? Like even a monarchy, I mean most of the countries have thrown away their monarchies. And in this country it exists and it has a respectable position. And the symbol of a monarchy is still lingering here in a very proud way. Then the marriage itself, the marriages of royal families are always detested and protested and nobody is interested. And such a auspicious thing should take place here and that everybody should see it. So many countries should watch it and appreciate it and enjoy it of all the things. It's something surprising. It transcends all rationality, all understanding of even logic we can say that what is the logic behind it? But if you are enjoying it you just enjoy. You don't want to think about it why you are enjoying. So, one has to understand that you are part and parcel of the heart of the universe. One thing is essential that you have to be very flexible people. You have to have the flexibility of the heart cells we can say. Now heart has to pump. It has to be strong. And surprisingly lion is your emblem. So you have to have a lion's heart. And lion's heart means he is not afraid. He is the king. He knows he's the king and he lives like a king. Like a lion and Leo as in astrology or if you say is a man who is extremely generous, lion hearted, not afraid of anyone. There should be no fear. But English language if you read anyone or if you listen to anyone, every third sentence he'll come with the word, "I'm afraid. I'm afraid to say, I'm afraid this is so"... This word must be dropped out from the vocabulary of Sahaja yogis. What is there to be afraid of? Some people say that this is said because we do not want to hurt other people. There are so many other ways of saying things without hurting others. But what is there to be afraid of? A man who is weak cannot love. Only a strong person can love. If you talk of love first of all see whether you are strong enough to love or not. Loving is not a easy thing, even carnal love, even loving your beloved of in the ordinary sense. It's not a easy thing. You have to have a very strong moral concept, otherwise every third minute people start changing their loves. That kind of a love has no meaning. You have to have a very firm ideas. Not only ideas in your brain but built within you. Very few people can really have a love as Romeo had, I can tell you this. It's easy to think that you are a Romeo, it's different. You can think you are you are the King of England, it's all right. But you don't become that way. So to be Romeo itself you have to have a tremendous character. A tremendous sense of sacrifice and love and understanding of what you want. You want to love, that's all nothing beyond or before. I mean a man when he falls in love he falls in love forever and ever and ever. If he falls in love many a times it cannot be love. So that experience also is sort of is a forbidden fruit for most of them. So, to love God is even more difficult, without seeing Him, without knowing Him, without knowing His bounties, without getting Realization. It is very difficult. But today that is not the case. But still you have to have no fear in your mind, trust, you trust yourself and trust others. First of all, try to trust yourself. If you have made mistakes, you have to say, "Yes, I have made mistakes, all right so what?" Trust yourself that you can correct yourself also. Trusting doesn't mean blind ego trip. It does not mean that. Trust means that "Yes I can correct myself. I can improve. I can do better." Some people think that if you trust yourself then you should never confess anything that you have done wrong. That you should never say that, "It was wrong and I can correct". This is a wrong idea. You have to trust yourself by saying that, "Yes I have done mistakes. I have been doing wrong. I have been faltering but I can correct. I have that strength within me. I can rise above all these things. I have that thing within me which I can use to my advantage". Trust yourself. Trust that you are realized souls. Trust that God loves you. That He has chosen you to be His instrument. Love yourself. You are unique no doubt. As it is, human beings, every individual is an unique person. But after Realization, you are definitely unique person. It never means ego trip. One has to use discretion about understanding. It never means ego trip. If you cannot correct yourself, you are not master of yourself. Yes you are not perfect. You are unique but you are not perfect. You have to perfect yourself. These words can be very confusing. When I say you are unique immediately, you think you are perfect. These are two words, unique and perfect. Somebody can be unique but he can have imperfections. So you have to perfect yourself. And trust in yourself that you can perfect yourself, through your kundalini awakening, clearing your charkas. By understanding yourself, you can perfect yourself. You have to perfect. I have so many ways I tell you; directly, sometimes indirectly, through friends, somehow point out that this is the problem with you. You should think that I am within you. I am that part within you which is discretion. When you do not understand your own discretion, I try to give you the direction by this way or that way. But people feel hurt. People feel bad or, some of them accept it. If you are seekers and if you are ascending, you are definitely unique, one specially blessed. And you have to pay special attention to yourself. You can't afford to play with yourself. So you have to discriminate between ego or ego trips as they call it and ascent. Ego trips bring you back with the worst hurting. It would be something like throwing you in the air and again you come back with a bump and break one of your necks or something like that. That's what ego trip is. But ascent is where you really rise above. Not only that you rise but with you, you make others rise. In your ascent, you develop tremendous powers. The higher you ascend the better it is. But not by understanding that I am perfect you can ascend, never so. There's a story of a teacher and a student. The teacher was very kind to the student and he would come and show him his creations. He was very kind to him. And every time he would say that, "I have done this good and this is the thing that I have not been able to do so will you please tell me how to correct it?" And the teacher would say, "Yes, good, you better correct this part, then do this." And one day the student came and said, "Now this is perfect". He said, "You are no more student now." So he said, "No more. You are not to come to me anymore." There was another student who was coming every day and correcting himself. And he told to his teacher that, "Today I think I can teach others but not yet perfect". He said, "All right you go and teach." The third one was a student who came and he was always trying to see what was the mistake and how he has to correct and how he worked very hard, very assiduous, very hard working and he came to his teacher one day and he said, "Sir, I will not trouble you anymore now". He said, "True. Now you take my seat." That is what one has to understand. You ascend. You will become humbler. It is just the other way around people understand. You see when they ascend they think we have achieved some special powers. I don't know. Suddenly self-certification starts you see. I am very good in spirituality. I am very high up and all that, this self-certificate starts. And then it can reach such a point that suddenly you found you are on the earth again. This kind of thing is not the way it works out. Actually the people who ascend there are certain qualities that show on them. The first thing is your collectivity. How collective you are. With how many people you can carry on. At how many things you can laugh. That is one of the biggest qualities. The second quality is that how much you accept another's domination who, cuts down your collectivity. You must have your personality separate from everyone. If you allow others to cut your personality, say for example, there is a boss and you are the, you are the employee. And the boss is not realized soul and you are an realized soul. Or maybe both are realized souls. Take it like that. And one of them is ascending. Then he becomes humbler, he becomes better, there are congenial relationship, but to a point. He will never compromise with his boss when it comes to his ascent, to his collectivity, to his giving, to his doing things for others. On that point he'll never have any domination because how much you feel responsible about yourself is the second point. How much you are responsible to be there, to be a cell in the heart. Any cell that fails, fails the heart. Every cell in the heart has to be extremely sensitive and extremely obedient to the Self, to the Spirit. It has to activate, work harder when there is need, there emergency. That it enjoys the most. And no impurity should be allowed, the third point now. As I told you first is collectivity, secondly your responsibility and third point is purity. Purity of your own heart first of all, of your own heart, about sincerity, cunningness. As I am saying this you will be realizing that all Englishmen believe in the contrary, nowadays, not olden times, but nowadays. Clean heart, transparent, open heart. Trust others. Talk to everyone with an open heart. Trust others. Why do you doubt? If you do not doubt yourself, you'll not doubt others. What are they going to take away from you? What have you got? Nobody can take away your nose, eyes, nothing. It's all quite intact. It's all nicely glued down. So nothing is going to disappear. What are they going to hurt to a person who is a realized soul? If your heart is clean, you can see the other person clearly through and through. Innocence is such a powerful thing, such a powerful thing that even a glance is sufficient to kill a Satan. Purity of heart, actually when the heart becomes impure the impurity flows down to other places. It is not the other way round, is from the heart. Many people believe that it's the body that becomes impure. I think it is the heart, which becomes really impure, and then it starts trickling down to the body and then it is residual there. It settles down there. So have a clean open heart like a child's heart. Open heart. What is there to be afraid of anyone? What is there not to trust anyone? What is there to be angry with anyone? Talk to everyone, shake hands with everyone, be nice to everyone. On the way you find somebody's difficulty, give him a hand. If somebody cannot sit properly or has a problem you try to remove the problem. If the person cannot stand, give the place. Try to give from your clean heart. If your heart is not clean, it can never give. Now how do you clean the heart is the subject which Felicity wanted me to discuss, is how to clean the heart. There is no broom available for that in the supermarket. There are no Fairy liquids or anything to wash it down. But there is a way. Allow your heart to be drenched in your Mother's love. Just allow. See how much She loves you. I trust you. People laugh at Me sometimes. Some of these saints who are supposed to be very great people, they can't understand how I trust you. They’d say that oh these are all lost races? These are horrible people how do you trust them. They are not sanyasis, they are not sadhus, they are nothing. They are ordinary people. For them I mean your value is nothing. They'll if you go to them they will make you stand on your head for three months. For three years, they may hang you on a well. I don't know what they will do to test you. But I trusted you the day I saw you. The day you came to me I trusted you. And I worked on you from the very first day, knowing what you are but I trust your Spirit that it would shine, in the same way, trust. We laugh at others. I have seen Sahaja Yogis laugh at others; make fun of them when they come to Me. Trust them. When you will trust them, you will respect them also. So you have to believe in yourself and enjoy the way gently you are sweeping into the current of your Mother's love. Just enjoy that. Like a flower that falls into the current and flows and enjoys all the beauties of that current. In the same way, you should enjoy. When that enjoyment comes into you, you will start trusting. And trust your Mother. I try many things to correct you. But trust in one thing, that whatever I try for you or do anything, anything I may do for you it is just to clean you. That's My job. May sometimes you might feel I am publicly saying things for you. May be your images are being ruined by that or whatever you may think. That's not the way, is for your hitha, is for the well-being of your Spirit. And that is the most difficult job. With all this, trust in your heart. First trust yourself, trust others, other Sahaja Yogis. Love thy neighbour as thyself. Who is your neighbour? He is a Sahaja Yogi. Stand by him. And trust your Mother. As I have trusted you, you have to trust Me, and it will work out. Open your heart to this trust. You should not worry whether it would be protocolish all right or not, whether it would be absolutely respectable or not, because heart knows. Whatever your heart will do in its genuine form will be respectable, because there resides your Spirit, which manifests. That will look after you. By outer forms, whatever you try is not going to work out. It is that trust in your loving heart that is going to work. It doesn't matter. You see today she brought some flowers. There were some supposed to be weeds according to her. She went to the station and there she was taking some flowers out. And the station master and his wife were very sweet and they said, "Oh go ahead. They are only weeds you can have them." And they are so fragrant. One of the most fragrant flowers I have ever seen. They are just weeds. They do not conform to any formal flowers, but just few flowers attached to other flowers were most fragrant. Love gives all the sophistication and the fragrance and all the breeding that is required. Not talking of love but really loving is the way, is most enjoyable. Today I wanted to tell you something good about Greece before we start off with the Puja for about ten minutes. Very interesting things have happened. When I went to Greece, I knew that I had to go to Greece. And they told me that they believed in the beginning in one Mother, in one Primordial Mother. But after sometime there were some Indo-Aryan people, Indo-Aryan who came down to them. And they said, "Yes there is one Mother but She has many aspects and these aspects are expressed as different Gods." And then they told about all the Gods, which you know of. But they, they later on made them absolutely human type of Gods and they spoilt it. But still there are certain things so amazing it was. Like Athena is the name of the Goddess, the Primordial Mother. But Athena Atha, Atha in Sanskrit means the primordial. And they got the word from Athena. And to the water they call Neeru, Nero. And in Sanskrit it is Nira. My name is at home is I am called as Nira, means from water. It's very surprising how many words there are, like I said - told them about the canters. They said, "Kendro," in Sanskrit it is Kendra. But the best was in Delphi when I went, we were surprised at something they said, "That it is the navel of the universe". I said, "Europe is the liver and Greece is the navel." They showed a point that is the navel it was vibrating. And not only that but they showed the most remarkable thing was that this is the mound, which is actually the expression of the navel is the mound which is actually has come out the Mother Earth is the one this one. And this is actually Athena according to them. This is that has come out of the Mother Earth. I saw the vibrations were tremendous. And next to that there were lot of vibrations coming so I turned round and what I find? Is a Ganesha, absolute Ganesha there sitting down with a beautiful trunk, the face and the ears and the eyes, and the stomach! Can you believe it? Sitting next to Her and absolutely the vibrations coming. I mean I didn't have a photograph I mean camera or anything otherwise I would have taken a photograph but now if you go and you can see. Another thing is they showed the egg, just imagine, and the eternal egg from where the other eggs come out you see! And the eggs are shown divided the same way into spindles as they do which doctors know they have seen under microscope. But how did they see, those Greeks? God only knows. But there's another side to it. First they use to get Amruta. Is the one that was meant for the Gods by which they were given eternal life in the sense they were appointed as permanent features you see. But then the same thing they wanted everybody to have so they started using some that was called as ambrosia. They converted into something else and they started calling it Ambrosia and some sort of a LSD business. So also, they went into trance so the rest of it is all supra-conscious. And that supra-conscious also side by side exists. Now discretion has to be used how around reality always supra-conscious or collective subconscious works out, one way or the other. And you have to go to the point where the reality exists. But what happens you get lost into the supra-conscious or you get lost into the superego or we can say the, the collective subconscious area. So you see both things are to be found out. Like an Indian temple, you go, you'll find all surrounded by collective subconscious. Too much ritualism, ritualistic, ritualism takes them to the left side. With that they go to the problem of getting all these women who get spirits, they go on, "hoohoohoo" before the deities, and then they tell the name of the horse and all those things. In Mahalakshmi’ s temple, which is a real temple, where all the three deities have come out in Bombay where I used to live very close to that place, just imagine, and this is very common. So to understand how human beings reacted to that is very well shown in Delphi. It's a beautiful thing is so done. But I was amazed at the Temple of Athena when we went there. It's so much so near to the thing that the Mooladhara is shown there where the Kundalini exists. Now She is the one who has snakes around Her, see? And She has little, little snakes as Her children. Can you imagine? And She is one, and She has a daughter, which is the Kundalini in you and a God who is a child God. And when She stands She has a Kundalini in her hand, the snake coming out of Her hand. With all the charkas, she is made. It's so beautifully shown. The best was Her Sanctum Sanctorum where nobody is allowed to go inside where She resides, is the Adi Kundalini. But they say that She came out of the head of Zeus, the Primordial Kundalini. And Her place nobody can go inside, nobody can reach except for Her son, the child son. But Her steps are very large also are roundish. She curved. Can you imagine? They're curved as if part of the Kundalas they are. And they are 3 ½ in height, you can see that, in height and in width also. Like every place is made of big, I mean the three are made of big stones and the last one is made of the small, three and a half, and they go in a curve. And that is Sanctum Sanctorum nobody can go inside. Now what an expression it was. This was the early Expression and Athens is after Her name Athena. If you see the face also you will find your Mother very much there. I've got the photographs and all that which I will show you later on. But what I'm saying the Mother Earth has done Her job. People have done their job. Christ or we can say Mohammed or Buddha, Kabira, anyone of them; they have done their jobs, alright. They have worked for you. They have created places within you. They have done their job. Now it is you who are on the stage, not Me. Sahasrara has to work it out. And Sahasrara always surrounds the heart. You are enlightened by your Spirit, which resides in your heart. And the whole Sahasrara’s mandalas are around the heart. So as you are now the temple of that Spirit, you are the heart. You have to be very, very assiduous. This is the fourth point, which is again against all Englishmen. They are holidaying permanently. The whole attention is in holidays. At the slightest pretext, they are on a holiday. The word holiday comes from the word holy day, is to do something holy on that day. God took his leave from the whole world for one day to cleanse Himself and to be in a holy condition. Because you see when you clear other people, when you create something, then you want to have some time to yourself and to enjoy yourself. That's why He got this holiday. Here it is permanent holiday not holy day, holly means hollow. It's hollow day. And this madness of holiday is of course I am working out on my level to cut it down. This is the time one has to really get into Sahaja Yoga, work hard, is the time to give up all your lethargies. You have to get out of your sleep. I have seen people – I’ve told, she asked Me that, "Mother we would like to have your puja". I said, "I know why you want to have puja is good because puja means flooding." The floods come in, ah everybody feels fine. Some feel fine for a month, some for a week, some for a day, some for an hour. Again, as it is. Because with flooding you feel the water has come inside. But it should be needed; there should be some depth. That is not done. Every Sahaja Yogi must do it every day, is a part of his life. Cleansing is a part of his life. Is just like brushing his teeth. Even if he does not brush his teeth does not matter. I do not brush My teeth every night. You might have noticed it. I need not brush. My teeth are still solid and I was asking My husband, "When do the human beings lose their teeth?" He said, "You have already passed that age." I said, "That means I will never lose My teeth?" He said, "May not." But I never brush My teeth in the night before sleeping as you people religiously do. The most important thing is cleansing yourself every night. Whether you cleanse it with water or rub it yourself with salt or with butter or you do the tratrika, with the flame, do what you like but you have to pay attention to your cleansing every night. And morning time you have to surrender before doing anything else. You have to get up early all right get up early. Do what you like but you have to work hard. And you have to think every day what have I done for Sahaja Yoga today? It's not the same cycle we are going to start you see. Once you have denied materialism you became hippies, now after coming out of that we are not going to start the same cycle of materialism. This is a new way where we have to go, where we understand our detachments from things. It's all right. We are not going to run away from matter but we are going to master it. If we get it well and good if we don't get it well and good, it's just the same, makes no difference. And hard work is needed now, real hard work I tell you because now I'm going to America. When I am there, there is so much of lethargy; when I don't allow you to sleep after 6 o'clock even if you try. I've done that if you notice, rather difficult for people to sleep after six. But, still, when I go away you have to really work very hard and keep yourself clean every day and write it down on a piece of paper. By the time I come back again I find all my horses. That's not going to be this time. Today you have to promise Me that, that all of you are going to work very hard, cleanse yourself completely. Go all out. After all, this country is not so big to travel. It makes a big impressive. You have seen Australian Times. I had only one Sahaja Yogi with me thank God, that was Mr. Regis. I was only controlling him. Only one horse I had to control and he was all right. He behaved very well, otherwise he could have gone off you know. Anything is possible under the sun. But he behaved very well. He was quite under control and they were impressed by his presence there and they called him serene. Imagine Regis very serene. And he was very sweet I must say and he explained to them very well because he is well educated, he is a doctor. Today I played a trick on him though, I'm sorry for that. It was too much, whatever it is, but he, it worked out and he’s done it well. In the same way it is you people I have seen it and said it again and again, that you are the people who are going to bring Sahaja Yoga. You are the people who are going to do it. I am nothing. You see now when there is waterfall, what energy do you see? Nothing, it's just a waterfall. But when you put it to turbines and take out that electricity from the turbines and then you see them here then you say yes there is electricity. Whatever is potential has no meaning. Whatever is kinetic, whatever is showing has a meaning. And so it is for you to be the showpieces of Sahaja Yoga, not Me. Because some will say that, "Oh you may be, so what, you are a different clan altogether." Some may say that, "Oh we can't believe you." But they will believe you much more they will believe Me. They will not believe Me at all. They'll say I'm fantastic. I, I cannot be understood, you see? So they won't believe Me, they will believe you. They will not trust Me, but they will trust you. They would not trust Christ but they will trust you because you are one of them. That is why it is important that you should improve in all sincerity, in all truthfulness to yourself. Become a perfect mechanism of God. No reservations, should be no reservation. You see thinking, "All right, if I do this much then it's all right, then I come back.'' This is not all out effort. It seems to be very common you see, ‘cutting corners’ as they say. "Oh this much, all right, should I do this much or should I do this much?" I've seen very much discretion is used for all these things. It's typical you see, "How many people so how many sandwiches? They will eat at the most two or three what's the use of making more? So but everybody will not eat three so make it say two is all right, somebody will eat one." These calculations, see? Who will eat one? The one who is calculating should not eat at all, then that's the best way. But it's all this calculations starts in the mind you see and these calculations ruin you. It's a very tricky path. I know it's very tricky. But you have beacons before you. Really I tell you, ‘lit’. Nobody had that. And you have got the torches in your hand. And you have a balancing way automatically in built. Just trust in all those things, and if you walk straight forward, straight forward, forget all that is past, all that is nonsensical. Forget it, you are a different person. I'm sure you'll rise very fast. And you will be really a living, organized being. All of you put together. Living, organized. These two are not complimentary ever. Because living is always disorganized, according to human concept like they will say that this flower comes out this way that should come out that way. That human being's thinking but God thinks that this is the way it is organized. So, living organized means organized in the will of God. That's how Sahaja Yogi are going to form that nucleus, that great nucleus, that powerful nucleus, that tremendous source which is going to overthrow all that is nonsensical. It is tremendous, believe Me. May God bless you (So now, you want to have My puja? Mm, come along)

8/9/1981

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Marriages - Chelsham Road Ashram, London (United Kingdom), September 8th, 1981 (INAUDIBLE) Hopefully Gregore?! G:"Yes Mother", you better announce (INAUDIBLE) G: Yes, G: "The brides come in to wash the boys, and every body who is not..." Stand the brides, stand facing. G:"Each bride, if she can recognize her future husband...(INAUDIBLE) please try to make no mistake... Please move in, move in the circle, all the brides... All right? And now, just place them, and now, you see and now say that, `Would you like to marry them?' Everybody should say, `Yes', come along. Rub it here in a way that you can collect it. G:"Rub it in such a way that you can collect it to keep it afterwards." Oh Ruth, this dress is going inside that. Don't put it out with fingers. No no, not that. See, it is not that in India. Now anybody who does not want to have marriage after this can decide then. That's the chance. You could have brought the children. I think we should have two, two rows. can't just fit there. Can we have two rows of boys? Can you take their photograph? It is called as`Jaimaal' (garland). Alright, now the second one. Lift her, lift her veil. You have to lift her veil! Now lift her veil, not that, that's alright. You put it back and lift her veil, no, let it be in (INAUDIBLE), Let it be. Good, very good. Now, which is (INAUDINBLE) Good. Now kiss her. Now those who are married should go at the back. I mean those who have been garlanded. Garland, garland, go,go. You go for a new honeymoon now. They are really surrendered, both of them. In a second they accept. So well surrendered both of them, in a second. See now, surrenderence is the only way you get your vibrations. You see the, I think the girls have to sit in front first and then the boys. I think this you can move down to another end. May God bless you. Come along. (INAUDIBLE) I don't know where you put (INAUDIBLE) Alright, alright, bring her here. All right, you see this thing Put your hands under My feet. Both the hands. Now through you America should be awakened. Sit down Don't cry! Don't cry or weep, alright? You're alright. It's alright, very good. May God bless you all! Beautiful. Happy? Very good. Excellent. May God bless you. Very good. Everybody clearing out so much. Now say Ganesha mantra. Now one by one you can wash My feet with the same water. Just put your hands in this and wash My feet, one by one. Good now? Are you all right? Not to feel guilty, not to feel guilty, not to feel guilty. Keep on saying:`I am not guilty'. Good. Done. Now see? Good now? (INAUDIBLE) May God bless you! Come along. Look up. Good? Good,good! First the boy has to put the ring to the hand of the girl. (INAUDIBLE) Now this is the right side what we call is the material side of love. Purify. And for that, fire is, as we always use fire and you know Deepa (oil Lamp) and all that we use it in the same way it is going to be purified. Use this fire and the water as we use as you know that, to use water also, and the flowers. They represent the fragrance of these. Flowers are the highest (INAUDIBLE) In the same way you are the highest, those who are realized. What he is saying, that this is to be purified then the matter should be purified because married life is the epitome of materialism. If you cannot have a good married life, all your materials have no meaning. No, zero! That's why your material side is to be purified, sanctified, is auspicious. And that's why we are trying to purify the elements, elements which have created our chakras, and you know that. So elements must be purified, and they have to be worshiped and to be in such a way that all the deities which are of these elements, can be also awakend. Alright? So this is the purification of these elements, within us and without. Both things. (INAUDIBLE) Vedas did that. How it is related to Sahaja Yoga you can see clearly. This is the bride's place. You have to keep it in such a way that you should take it thrice. (INAUDIBLE) Take it in three gulps, take it. What you have to do, it should not be forgotten. (INAUDIBLE) And not feel bitter at any point. Just try to be sweet. In the beginning especially when you... And don't go on demanding. Sometimes we feel we have a wife or a husband who is a office of demand. It's not giving. Alright? Must learn to give and give and give, all the time. Enjoy the giving part. Now , where is the knife? Can we get the knife? Sixteen is a very auspicious number, you know. Sixteen plexuses. Is for the Virata, for the collective. Now I hope, collectively all of you who are married today, will try to make your married life extremely successful and an example for others. Try to be sweet, nice people. Be kind. Actually you should enjoy. That's the thing you do not know. Must learn to enjoy. Everybody is looking so beautiful, only thing, you must learn to enjoy. And put your ego on one side first of all. All the egos and the things that stop your enjoyment, absolutely. It's the ego that stops your enjoyment. Finish it off. Tell him not to come in between because he will just spoil everything. He tells you, "Don’t do this, otherwise you see she should take advantage of you. or she, if she is (INAUDINBLE), she'll take advantage." No reservations in marriage between husband and wife, no secrets, nothing. Just be kind. And you should not say something that is not to be said, for example one of the keys(?) aspects, about your past life never talk. Forget it, it's over now. That's something very wrong, talk of the past life and to be very confessing, There's no need. Talk of something nice: What you are going to do, what you are going to achieve and what you are going to have. And enjoy. Not of your past life, over, forget it. Alright? Be kind to each other. Be nice to each other. Enjoy is the point. Those who enjoy the most their married life are nearest to my heart. But they should be in Sahaja Yoga. Those who enjoy married life without Sahaja Yoga are stupid. Alright, so here I have to (INAUDIBLE) All of you (..?) down here, alright? May God bless you all. May God bless you all.

Marriages - Chelsham Road Ashram, London (United Kingdom), September 8th, 1981 (INAUDIBLE) Hopefully Gregore?! G:"Yes Mother", you better announce (INAUDIBLE) G: Yes, G: "The brides come in to wash the boys, and every body who is not..." Stand the brides, stand facing. G:"Each bride, if she can recognize her future husband...(INAUDIBLE) please try to make no mistake... Please move in, move in the circle, all the brides... All right? And now, just place them, and now, you see and now say that, `Would you like to marry them?' Everybody should say, `Yes', come along. Rub it here in a way that you can collect it. G:"Rub it in such a way that you can collect it to keep it afterwards." Oh Ruth, this dress is going inside that. Don't put it out with fingers. No no, not that. See, it is not that in India. Now anybody who does not want to have marriage after this can decide then. That's the chance. You could have brought the children. I think we should have two, two rows. can't just fit there. Can we have two rows of boys? Can you take their photograph? It is called as`Jaimaal' (garland). Alright, now the second one. Lift her, lift her veil. You have to lift her veil! Now lift her veil, not that, that's alright. You put it back and lift her veil, no, let it be in (INAUDIBLE), Let it be. Good, very good. Now, which is (INAUDINBLE) Good. Now kiss her. Now those who are married should go at the back. I mean those who have been garlanded. Garland, garland, go,go. You go for a new honeymoon now. They are really surrendered, both of them. In a second they accept. So well surrendered both of them, in a second. See now, surrenderence is the only way you get your vibrations. You see the, I think the girls have to sit in front first and then the boys. I think this you can move down to another end. May God bless you. Come along. (INAUDIBLE) I don't know where you put (INAUDIBLE) Alright, alright, bring her here. All right, you see this thing Put your hands under My feet. Both the hands. Now through you America should be awakened. Sit down Don't cry! Don't cry or weep, alright? You're alright. It's alright, very good. May God bless you all! Beautiful. Happy? Very good. Excellent. May God bless you. Very good. Everybody clearing out so much. Now say Ganesha mantra. Now one by one you can wash My feet with the same water. Just put your hands in this and wash My feet, one by one. Good now? Are you all right? Not to feel guilty, not to feel guilty, not to feel guilty. Keep on saying:`I am not guilty'. Good. Done. Now see? Good now? (INAUDIBLE) May God bless you! Come along. Look up. Good? Good,good! First the boy has to put the ring to the hand of the girl. (INAUDIBLE) Now this is the right side what we call is the material side of love. Purify. And for that, fire is, as we always use fire and you know Deepa (oil Lamp) and all that we use it in the same way it is going to be purified. Use this fire and the water as we use as you know that, to use water also, and the flowers. They represent the fragrance of these. Flowers are the highest (INAUDIBLE) In the same way you are the highest, those who are realized. What he is saying, that this is to be purified then the matter should be purified because married life is the epitome of materialism. If you cannot have a good married life, all your materials have no meaning. No, zero! That's why your material side is to be purified, sanctified, is auspicious. And that's why we are trying to purify the elements, elements which have created our chakras, and you know that. So elements must be purified, and they have to be worshiped and to be in such a way that all the deities which are of these elements, can be also awakend. Alright? So this is the purification of these elements, within us and without. Both things. (INAUDIBLE) Vedas did that. How it is related to Sahaja Yoga you can see clearly. This is the bride's place. You have to keep it in such a way that you should take it thrice. (INAUDIBLE) Take it in three gulps, take it. What you have to do, it should not be forgotten. (INAUDIBLE) And not feel bitter at any point. Just try to be sweet. In the beginning especially when you... And don't go on demanding. Sometimes we feel we have a wife or a husband who is a office of demand. It's not giving. Alright? Must learn to give and give and give, all the time. Enjoy the giving part. Now , where is the knife? Can we get the knife? Sixteen is a very auspicious number, you know. Sixteen plexuses. Is for the Virata, for the collective. Now I hope, collectively all of you who are married today, will try to make your married life extremely successful and an example for others. Try to be sweet, nice people. Be kind. Actually you should enjoy. That's the thing you do not know. Must learn to enjoy. Everybody is looking so beautiful, only thing, you must learn to enjoy. And put your ego on one side first of all. All the egos and the things that stop your enjoyment, absolutely. It's the ego that stops your enjoyment. Finish it off. Tell him not to come in between because he will just spoil everything. He tells you, "Don’t do this, otherwise you see she should take advantage of you. or she, if she is (INAUDINBLE), she'll take advantage." No reservations in marriage between husband and wife, no secrets, nothing. Just be kind. And you should not say something that is not to be said, for example one of the keys(?) aspects, about your past life never talk. Forget it, it's over now. That's something very wrong, talk of the past life and to be very confessing, There's no need. Talk of something nice: What you are going to do, what you are going to achieve and what you are going to have. And enjoy. Not of your past life, over, forget it. Alright? Be kind to each other. Be nice to each other. Enjoy is the point. Those who enjoy the most their married life are nearest to my heart. But they should be in Sahaja Yoga. Those who enjoy married life without Sahaja Yoga are stupid. Alright, so here I have to (INAUDIBLE) All of you (..?) down here, alright? May God bless you all. May God bless you all.

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis: Establishing your Marriage

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Talk to yogis. Chelsham ashram, London (UK), 9 August 1981. God is so kind, Who is bliss, Who is joy, Who has created this whole universe so beautifully. They miss completely because they do not know what is auspiciousness is. Auspiciousness comes from pure heart. With your pure heart, then it works faster that’s why I asked for these children forward. You can sit with them along. Then auspiciousness also comes from surrendering, who are surrendered. Those who are surrendered to the power of Sahaja Yoga, Sahaja Yoga is a system by which you really suck in God’s grace. That you know for definite. So for the people who are surrendered absolutely, through their body, their mind and their intellect, they are the people who bring in the auspiciousness, those who try to stand out with their illusions - the so called - are [obstructed ?]. If you realize the importance of auspiciousness in married life - in Sahaja Yoga, you would have respect for that married life, praise for that married life – in relation to Sahaja Yoga, of course, no doubt. So after marriage one has to know that you have been married in My place. It’s something so [great ?] - very [great ?], I mean, out of question for you anyone who has done no punyas [-- good deeds – ed.], a special place, I think so that it could happen that such a marriage could happen. All right. But with all that understanding, we have to understand our background. Unless and until you understand your background, you can never build a real Sahaja Yoga marriage. This is your only other job. Background must be understood - both backgrounds [must come in ?] and get married. You are all western, all of you are mostly western. And the western people have, I don’t know what sort of ideas - but surrounding the atmosphere I am sure there are entities, bhoots [--spirits – ed] who are anti-marriage. Of that I am very sure [so to say ?]. I mean - anybody who comes to this place can break his marriage; I mean anybody can come from anywhere, even from Timbuktu. So, it is the bhoots that give ideas about marriage. There are anti-marriage bhoots here, so you have to be careful. Absolutely anti marriage. And under these circumstances marriages cannot work out. Unless and until you have your own opinion about it, you have your own personality about it and the way you want to work it out. So, Sahaja yogis, who are getting married have a special responsibility to behave in such a way that they stabilize marriages in this country. Where it is absolutely taken out of the [ crook ?], I told you. For example you tell anybody here that I’m arranging your marriage, immediately the brain goes like - just like [match ?] – go mad. It is really, I tell you, it’s so bizarre, they go mad. I don’t know, for them marriage is some sort of a [ritual ??] or I don’t know what sort of an idea they have… And they do not understand that they are getting married now. I must tell myself that I have to behave Myself to make the marriage successful. And some of them get possessed. And sensible people get possessed and they start behaving in such a manner that marriage can never come. I give you a case of someone whose marriage was this year. As soon as the marriage was declared, the person became so possessed that in this person lost all his sweetness, everything, all the beauty and started misbehaving. [Altogether ?]. I mean, see, the person sees those who are [attacking ?]. Can happen. Because of this horrible atmosphere in which we live we have to understand that you must learn to be sweet before marriage. If you are not sweet in the beginning if the marriage is spoiled, is very difficult to establish it. It’s like the [mood ?] getting stopped. In the beginning only you have to be very careful, to be [experts to do that ?] that’s the conclusion. But in the beginning only the brains becomes absolutely like a type of mad person. Now a simple example is that when I fix the marriage I have to fix one [wing ?] because I am not a church. Which is a dead thing you can go any time, the priest is there, that’s a lamp post upon you. Priest is nothing but a lamp post. Say a lamp post can marry you whenever you like, but not Me. There’s a living God which has to marry you a living [wing ?] and whatever time suits you that’s the time you are going to get married, that’s all. You are not going to marry according to your choice, but this ego is so subtle, that, “Oh! No choice was given.” And marriages are living things in Sahaja Yoga. So, they will take place within a second. Just now I can give a marriage - within a second. You could be happy about it, you could be unhappy about it, whatever you may be. That’s your own choice. But you must know that this is Sahaja Yoga marriage - in a second the marriage has to be settled. “I was not given time, I should have had six months.” What do you do six months? Only last day you run about. Six months you brood and last day you run about. Just see yourself what do you do six months? You don’t do anything; this must be a reality. I mean that’s why Gregoire had to hurry the last minutes for a wedding - always. What do you do for six months – see? If you have no problem of security as the Queen had (Laughter) nothing is to be done. It’s only the last two three days you have to arrange everything, you see? It is something nearer, that the marriage party does not do anything, the husband and wife don’t need much arranging. It’s like the flower that grows. It doesn’t prepare – it’s ready. So, one has to understand that marriage must take place in a living way in Sahaja Yoga and this match thing, as I told them must be brought right. Now in selecting women you have to understand that - all men. You select the person - choice is the curse of ego. Ego plays because of choice. I mean, you can have choice of everything otherwise, you can have another kind of a chandelier, you can have that, that, that. Material things you can have. Then you will say I will have a…I must have a nose of an [Arab ?]. There’s no choice. And that’s why the choice part of a wife which you have too much, you see – where you do the choicing [ thing ?] out of thousands of experience say, this, that and then you will choose someone - very grateful. And this style you get married and that style you go and divorce. In the countries where there is no choice people don’t divorce, must be something different – [futuristic ?]. The system is different, that’s [such ?]. And is more successful when there is no choice at all. I mean, you know in India people don’t even see the brides before - at all. At all. They marry, they are married for ages, the photographs are there, their children see, their grand children see, their great grand children see, no divorce. And here all you made the choice - this thing, that thing - and you’re out for a divorce. Divorce is the first thing that comes before marriage. (Laughter) It is stupidity. Complete stupidity of the brain, you must understand and that’s why you people have ruined your families, ruined your houses, ruined every relationship. Is a thing to be enjoyed and understood. After marriage you must know that you must share other Sahaja yogis in your marriage. It is not a marriage of the old times. That’s why I would like all the old Johnnies, who are married, to marry again. It’s better. So they change their ideas. There is no sort of a life left for a Sahaja yogi, because it’s hardly four five years when you have to work hard on your own. There isn’t much time. Like we have our own private life, we go for a honey moon and this - nonsense. Or we are sort of such, “Oh, we should have our private lives, this…. We are husband and wife.” That’s not allowed in Sahaja Yoga. That I like the way Catherine says – I mean, it was really good for her to face in the way that she meets her husband. She said, “Mother, no – Gregoire is going with You to America, I mean, I take [humans ?] different, but - (Laughter) Her bravery and her generosity and understanding of the importance of Sahaja Yoga really made Me feel very happy. So, this self-centeredness must be given up completely. Today by those who were married before or are marrying today. That we are going to dedicate our lives in every way to Sahaja Yoga. You must learn to share everything of Sahaja Yoga. It’s the greatest estate people have in Sahaja Yog is to say, now we are married so let’s have some nice [INAUDIBLE]. I would say [Kuli ?], when he got married - where is he? He’s not here. It’s just difficult. When he got married, he was very sensible and he said that, “What is after all honeymoon for me, Mother is going, so I am going with Her to [accept Her plan for buying a school ??].” But the wife didn’t understand that time and that’s how the marriage… He is too much of a Sahaja yogi and she didn’t understand and he’s just to think that way – it’s correct, the way he moves was correct, I would say. What can you do? But now, if the wife realizes that Sahaja Yoga comes first and Sahaja yogis come first, then only such marriages will be successful. This marriage is for Sahaja, not for personal life. Anybody has such ideas should know it is not for personal life. It is for consolidating Sahaja Yoga, from the first day to the last. If you are not of that mind, you are just marrying here because it’s cheaper than in the church – it’s better you do it yourself. There’s no different mission of such marriage. This is not to be used for Sahaja Yoga, [ ???]. Such people got [a deeper decline ?]. Only you will enjoy your marriages in Sahaja Yoga when you will dedicate more for Sahaja Yoga. And absolutely. Otherwise people do wrong, so clear out your ideas - absolutely. I would say Maureen and husband are [self independent ?]. And Gregoire and his wife are sensible. And all of you who are being married in Sahaja Yoga, all of you should come to make a beautiful life. [Regina ?] and Pat are beautiful. Beautiful. By working for Sahaja Yoga, otherwise you are not going to enjoy. I am telling you, you’ll have problems, you’ll have problems, and I will never be able to solve. And there’s no divorce in Sahaja Yoga. If you don’t want to live with your wife, you can get out. There’s nothing like divorce for us. It’s nonsense. By divorcing you create orphanages of ten old men and ten old women who sit somewhere, and the children somewhere else. So, after Sahaja Yoga marriage there is no question of divorce. You go out of the [SUBTLE?]. No question. Try to improve, try to improve. As you improve your Kundalini improves your marriage. Work on it. Give up your self centered ideas also, keeping to your self – We must tell you, you cannot. Now you are in Sahaja Yoga, you have to dedicate yourself. I should have asked you to take Sanyasa [--give up everything - ed]. Then what about marriage? Take sanyasa! Only eat once. Oh, one can do that job. But this normal life, you have to take to it and you should bow for it, otherwise you can never be useful. Now, one must understand that you can be attacked. Both can be attacked or a wife can be attacked, or a husband can be attacked by negativity. And you will have these ideas: Oh, we must reserve ourselves. Nothing like reservation any more now. You will be blessed very much. Even moneywise in every way, Gruha Lakshmi [--wife- ed] will be there. But you should be a Gruha Lakshmi also. As like in olden days in India women used to tell their husbands to go to war. And don’t come back. If you have not won the war I don’t want to see your face. They used to cut their fingers and the blood of their fingers is there to give a mark on [the killer ?]. Like that, the [war ?] on and these cannot [oppose ?] to have such people who have come here to enjoy only re-married life, they can go to Nagpur. (Laughter) Stay forever. Lamp posts are they. These are all lamp posts you see – registration office - or we can call it the [INAUDIBLE ?]. So, only with this vow you should enjoy the special place that Mother has given us. It’s special occasion. That we are all [expressing ?] these great marriage [in celibacy ?]. So we have now I think 17 couples now. (Laughter) This is the [ pang ?] of the [ pang ?]. [UNCLEAR] So first of all I want to give presents to the brides, who are here. I gave it to some brides the other day. Where are they? I gave it to some brides. Yogi: [ ?? ] Shri Mataji: All right. So, you should give saris to her, is very personal now. So, I would request the boys to go out or to better I give you the [ girls ?] and you go out and mix it up with water and you prepare it in a big glass. All right? And where are the bridegrooms? Let them be seated on different chairs. All the bridegrooms…ha, ha…the [ ? ] is wearing ordinary dresses - something very ordinary - and you can just have a towel or something ‘round. No, no, no. Your face gets spoiled very badly, you see. You have [redumptions ?]. (Laughter) I would say that if you want to keep it as a mark of your marriage [ ?]. All right. It’s all right. So, now you all sit down outside and just meditate. Now it’s better. (Shri Mataji speaks and gives indications to the yogis.) So, there is a… give us a sari… white sari. I will prepare something to wear this much [UNCLEAR] you can [UNCLEAR]. (Laughter) You can take this now. That. You can take it. No, no, no. Any oil or… [ ? in the hair ?]. Or what oil?

Talk to yogis. Chelsham ashram, London (UK), 9 August 1981. God is so kind, Who is bliss, Who is joy, Who has created this whole universe so beautifully. They miss completely because they do not know what is auspiciousness is. Auspiciousness comes from pure heart. With your pure heart, then it works faster that’s why I asked for these children forward. You can sit with them along. Then auspiciousness also comes from surrendering, who are surrendered. Those who are surrendered to the power of Sahaja Yoga, Sahaja Yoga is a system by which you really suck in God’s grace. That you know for definite. So for the people who are surrendered absolutely, through their body, their mind and their intellect, they are the people who bring in the auspiciousness, those who try to stand out with their illusions - the so called - are [obstructed ?]. If you realize the importance of auspiciousness in married life - in Sahaja Yoga, you would have respect for that married life, praise for that married life – in relation to Sahaja Yoga, of course, no doubt. So after marriage one has to know that you have been married in My place. It’s something so [great ?] - very [great ?], I mean, out of question for you anyone who has done no punyas [-- good deeds – ed.], a special place, I think so that it could happen that such a marriage could happen. All right. But with all that understanding, we have to understand our background. Unless and until you understand your background, you can never build a real Sahaja Yoga marriage. This is your only other job. Background must be understood - both backgrounds [must come in ?] and get married. You are all western, all of you are mostly western. And the western people have, I don’t know what sort of ideas - but surrounding the atmosphere I am sure there are entities, bhoots [--spirits – ed] who are anti-marriage. Of that I am very sure [so to say ?]. I mean - anybody who comes to this place can break his marriage; I mean anybody can come from anywhere, even from Timbuktu. So, it is the bhoots that give ideas about marriage. There are anti-marriage bhoots here, so you have to be careful. Absolutely anti marriage. And under these circumstances marriages cannot work out. Unless and until you have your own opinion about it, you have your own personality about it and the way you want to work it out. So, Sahaja yogis, who are getting married have a special responsibility to behave in such a way that they stabilize marriages in this country. Where it is absolutely taken out of the [ crook ?], I told you. For example you tell anybody here that I’m arranging your marriage, immediately the brain goes like - just like [match ?] – go mad. It is really, I tell you, it’s so bizarre, they go mad. I don’t know, for them marriage is some sort of a [ritual ??] or I don’t know what sort of an idea they have… And they do not understand that they are getting married now. I must tell myself that I have to behave Myself to make the marriage successful. And some of them get possessed. And sensible people get possessed and they start behaving in such a manner that marriage can never come. I give you a case of someone whose marriage was this year. As soon as the marriage was declared, the person became so possessed that in this person lost all his sweetness, everything, all the beauty and started misbehaving. [Altogether ?]. I mean, see, the person sees those who are [attacking ?]. Can happen. Because of this horrible atmosphere in which we live we have to understand that you must learn to be sweet before marriage. If you are not sweet in the beginning if the marriage is spoiled, is very difficult to establish it. It’s like the [mood ?] getting stopped. In the beginning only you have to be very careful, to be [experts to do that ?] that’s the conclusion. But in the beginning only the brains becomes absolutely like a type of mad person. Now a simple example is that when I fix the marriage I have to fix one [wing ?] because I am not a church. Which is a dead thing you can go any time, the priest is there, that’s a lamp post upon you. Priest is nothing but a lamp post. Say a lamp post can marry you whenever you like, but not Me. There’s a living God which has to marry you a living [wing ?] and whatever time suits you that’s the time you are going to get married, that’s all. You are not going to marry according to your choice, but this ego is so subtle, that, “Oh! No choice was given.” And marriages are living things in Sahaja Yoga. So, they will take place within a second. Just now I can give a marriage - within a second. You could be happy about it, you could be unhappy about it, whatever you may be. That’s your own choice. But you must know that this is Sahaja Yoga marriage - in a second the marriage has to be settled. “I was not given time, I should have had six months.” What do you do six months? Only last day you run about. Six months you brood and last day you run about. Just see yourself what do you do six months? You don’t do anything; this must be a reality. I mean that’s why Gregoire had to hurry the last minutes for a wedding - always. What do you do for six months – see? If you have no problem of security as the Queen had (Laughter) nothing is to be done. It’s only the last two three days you have to arrange everything, you see? It is something nearer, that the marriage party does not do anything, the husband and wife don’t need much arranging. It’s like the flower that grows. It doesn’t prepare – it’s ready. So, one has to understand that marriage must take place in a living way in Sahaja Yoga and this match thing, as I told them must be brought right. Now in selecting women you have to understand that - all men. You select the person - choice is the curse of ego. Ego plays because of choice. I mean, you can have choice of everything otherwise, you can have another kind of a chandelier, you can have that, that, that. Material things you can have. Then you will say I will have a…I must have a nose of an [Arab ?]. There’s no choice. And that’s why the choice part of a wife which you have too much, you see – where you do the choicing [ thing ?] out of thousands of experience say, this, that and then you will choose someone - very grateful. And this style you get married and that style you go and divorce. In the countries where there is no choice people don’t divorce, must be something different – [futuristic ?]. The system is different, that’s [such ?]. And is more successful when there is no choice at all. I mean, you know in India people don’t even see the brides before - at all. At all. They marry, they are married for ages, the photographs are there, their children see, their grand children see, their great grand children see, no divorce. And here all you made the choice - this thing, that thing - and you’re out for a divorce. Divorce is the first thing that comes before marriage. (Laughter) It is stupidity. Complete stupidity of the brain, you must understand and that’s why you people have ruined your families, ruined your houses, ruined every relationship. Is a thing to be enjoyed and understood. After marriage you must know that you must share other Sahaja yogis in your marriage. It is not a marriage of the old times. That’s why I would like all the old Johnnies, who are married, to marry again. It’s better. So they change their ideas. There is no sort of a life left for a Sahaja yogi, because it’s hardly four five years when you have to work hard on your own. There isn’t much time. Like we have our own private life, we go for a honey moon and this - nonsense. Or we are sort of such, “Oh, we should have our private lives, this…. We are husband and wife.” That’s not allowed in Sahaja Yoga. That I like the way Catherine says – I mean, it was really good for her to face in the way that she meets her husband. She said, “Mother, no – Gregoire is going with You to America, I mean, I take [humans ?] different, but - (Laughter) Her bravery and her generosity and understanding of the importance of Sahaja Yoga really made Me feel very happy. So, this self-centeredness must be given up completely. Today by those who were married before or are marrying today. That we are going to dedicate our lives in every way to Sahaja Yoga. You must learn to share everything of Sahaja Yoga. It’s the greatest estate people have in Sahaja Yog is to say, now we are married so let’s have some nice [INAUDIBLE]. I would say [Kuli ?], when he got married - where is he? He’s not here. It’s just difficult. When he got married, he was very sensible and he said that, “What is after all honeymoon for me, Mother is going, so I am going with Her to [accept Her plan for buying a school ??].” But the wife didn’t understand that time and that’s how the marriage… He is too much of a Sahaja yogi and she didn’t understand and he’s just to think that way – it’s correct, the way he moves was correct, I would say. What can you do? But now, if the wife realizes that Sahaja Yoga comes first and Sahaja yogis come first, then only such marriages will be successful. This marriage is for Sahaja, not for personal life. Anybody has such ideas should know it is not for personal life. It is for consolidating Sahaja Yoga, from the first day to the last. If you are not of that mind, you are just marrying here because it’s cheaper than in the church – it’s better you do it yourself. There’s no different mission of such marriage. This is not to be used for Sahaja Yoga, [ ???]. Such people got [a deeper decline ?]. Only you will enjoy your marriages in Sahaja Yoga when you will dedicate more for Sahaja Yoga. And absolutely. Otherwise people do wrong, so clear out your ideas - absolutely. I would say Maureen and husband are [self independent ?]. And Gregoire and his wife are sensible. And all of you who are being married in Sahaja Yoga, all of you should come to make a beautiful life. [Regina ?] and Pat are beautiful. Beautiful. By working for Sahaja Yoga, otherwise you are not going to enjoy. I am telling you, you’ll have problems, you’ll have problems, and I will never be able to solve. And there’s no divorce in Sahaja Yoga. If you don’t want to live with your wife, you can get out. There’s nothing like divorce for us. It’s nonsense. By divorcing you create orphanages of ten old men and ten old women who sit somewhere, and the children somewhere else. So, after Sahaja Yoga marriage there is no question of divorce. You go out of the [SUBTLE?]. No question. Try to improve, try to improve. As you improve your Kundalini improves your marriage. Work on it. Give up your self centered ideas also, keeping to your self – We must tell you, you cannot. Now you are in Sahaja Yoga, you have to dedicate yourself. I should have asked you to take Sanyasa [--give up everything - ed]. Then what about marriage? Take sanyasa! Only eat once. Oh, one can do that job. But this normal life, you have to take to it and you should bow for it, otherwise you can never be useful. Now, one must understand that you can be attacked. Both can be attacked or a wife can be attacked, or a husband can be attacked by negativity. And you will have these ideas: Oh, we must reserve ourselves. Nothing like reservation any more now. You will be blessed very much. Even moneywise in every way, Gruha Lakshmi [--wife- ed] will be there. But you should be a Gruha Lakshmi also. As like in olden days in India women used to tell their husbands to go to war. And don’t come back. If you have not won the war I don’t want to see your face. They used to cut their fingers and the blood of their fingers is there to give a mark on [the killer ?]. Like that, the [war ?] on and these cannot [oppose ?] to have such people who have come here to enjoy only re-married life, they can go to Nagpur. (Laughter) Stay forever. Lamp posts are they. These are all lamp posts you see – registration office - or we can call it the [INAUDIBLE ?]. So, only with this vow you should enjoy the special place that Mother has given us. It’s special occasion. That we are all [expressing ?] these great marriage [in celibacy ?]. So we have now I think 17 couples now. (Laughter) This is the [ pang ?] of the [ pang ?]. [UNCLEAR] So first of all I want to give presents to the brides, who are here. I gave it to some brides the other day. Where are they? I gave it to some brides. Yogi: [ ?? ] Shri Mataji: All right. So, you should give saris to her, is very personal now. So, I would request the boys to go out or to better I give you the [ girls ?] and you go out and mix it up with water and you prepare it in a big glass. All right? And where are the bridegrooms? Let them be seated on different chairs. All the bridegrooms…ha, ha…the [ ? ] is wearing ordinary dresses - something very ordinary - and you can just have a towel or something ‘round. No, no, no. Your face gets spoiled very badly, you see. You have [redumptions ?]. (Laughter) I would say that if you want to keep it as a mark of your marriage [ ?]. All right. It’s all right. So, now you all sit down outside and just meditate. Now it’s better. (Shri Mataji speaks and gives indications to the yogis.) So, there is a… give us a sari… white sari. I will prepare something to wear this much [UNCLEAR] you can [UNCLEAR]. (Laughter) You can take this now. That. You can take it. No, no, no. Any oil or… [ ? in the hair ?]. Or what oil?

8/14/1981

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Public Program. Birmingham (UK), 14 August 1981. Bala is a scientist and like him there are people who are charmed by science. The whole modern world seems to be very much influenced by science. But a scientific attitude has to be a very, very open minded attitude as he has told you. We have to reach certain conclusions first of all within ourselves. Secondly you have to understand that if there is a hypothesis put before you it has to be first seen, experimented with, and then is to be accepted as a law. Now from ancient times, whether in India, England, America, Jerusalem, anyplace we have been hearing about the all-pervading power, about getting a second birth or self-realisation, Atma sakshatkar, baptism as they call it. All these things that we have heard are to be proved or they should be discarded as untruth. We cannot go with truth and untruth together. So either we have to find out whether it is the truth or not what these people taught us, or whether it was completely a falsehood and there is nothing like that, that existed. It’s a simple way some people have just discarded saying there is no God, there is no divine power. It’s all useless things; we are not going to waste, turning their back to it. That’s very simple to do. The others have followed it blindly. Both are wrong. To follow it blindly is as wrong as not to follow it. The best thing is to watch and see. To say that: “So far we do not know whether it is true or not”, this is the right attitude with which you should approach Sahaja Yoga. Now we must realise that in this world there are people who are seekers. No doubt about it. They are not interested so much in money, so much in rituals of religions, so much in the power game, ego trips, but they think there must be something beyond. And there are many like this everywhere, thousands of them, and thousands of them, and thousands of them. No doubt about it. But those who are at the helm of affairs naturally, because they are seeking to be at the helm of affairs, they are not bothered about this part, and they think that these people who are seeking are mad, either they are lost people or they are mad people, or they don’t know what to do with themselves. But one has to accept that there is a category of special people who are seekers. I must say William Blake has talked about it very clearly. He called them ‘the Men of God’. In simple sentence ‘Men of God’. These are the people who are not satisfied with what they have but they think there has to be something beyond. Of course they might have made mistakes in their seeking, they might have gone wrong in their ignorance, they might have lost their way. They have been naïve to know what they should find out. All said and done one has to accept the fact that in this world there are many, many seekers and people have to cater to that, even the people at the helm of affairs, even the media people. All kinds of people have to cater to them, and find out what’s happening to that group of people, which are the most important people in the eyes of God. If He is at the helm of affairs, for Him seekers are the most important. Now we have to realise scientifically that we have evolved to be human beings. All right; but why? Why did we evolve as human beings? What’s the use of creating human beings which took billions of years? What did God achieve, or nature achieve by creating human beings who are running amuck actually? They have out of science produced things like atom bomb, hydrogen bomb, all destructive forces. I mean, this was not expected. That means they have missed the point somewhere in using the powers of science. There is a big confusion. If you have a way of going above the human level and see, you can see that they are confused. They do not know what to do, whatever they try to do it goes in the wrong way. They try to plan something, it ends up into atom bomb. They try to plan peaceful missions, it ends up into war. Anything they try, say, democracy or, you say, communism, everything they try, it ends up into fear. So what’s the thing? What’s the matter? Why is it happening? We have to think about it. After all we as human beings, who have taken so many years to be like this, must be something special. Must be some reason behind it, must be some purpose to this life, which has been created so beautifully. But scientists are short-sighted people. They just see the symptoms and not the disease. They just see what is available there and not beyond, and never they ask a question why it is there. That question they never ask, because they cannot answer it. They are honest because they have limitations. They do not expand anything beyond it, because they think it is imaginary. But I am here to tell you that God is the reality, all-pervading power is the reality, and its action and powers is the reality, the rest of it is a falsehood. Now this statement of mine I have to prove it, under all scientific laws I must prove it, otherwise you may crucify me. And it can be proved. It can be proved scientifically. God has created you in such a way that in you he has laid the milestones of your evolution. You can see all these chakras that are put there, the centres; there are seven centres within you, of which you are not aware. You do not know that there are seven subtle centres, which are the main centres - there are many more - which are placed within you, which are the milestones of your growth in the evolution. Now there is another thing one has to understand, that if we have to become our Selves, if we have to know our purpose, there must be some arrangement within us for our germination. If the seed has to become a tree, there is a primule in it, it’s placed there, just imagine in a little seed there is the map of all the trees it is going to become. Can you think of that? In the same way within us, this human body, who we do not think much of, we take it for granted, there is a complete map of what we are going to become. Within us is placed a power which is called as “Kundalini” in Sanskrit language. If it is Sanskrit it doesn’t mean that it is Indian or anything. In India the climate being very good, people tried to find out about oneself. And they went very deep and they located this power within themselves. It has nothing to do with India. And if you ask any Indian man now, anywhere on the street, you’ll be amazed they will say they have never heard the name ‘Kundalini’. But you’ll be amazed that this bone is called as sacrum bone where it is placed. And in Latin language, sacrum means sacred, that means people knew that this bone has something very sacred within us, in Norway where this language started. And they must be also having a word for this Kundalini, because when I went to Greece I found that they had a great knowledge of Kundalini. This Athena itself is the primordial Kundalini. Athena - Atha means primal, primordial. They don’t know, Greeks don’t know, because they don’t know Sanskrit. But Atha means primal, primordial, and Athens comes from that Athena. And She has that snake in Her hand, She is the primordial Kundalini and She came out of the head of Zeus who is a Vishnu. So you can imagine how it was all connected in the ancient times and how the whole thing got dislocated. But this also does not give us any scientific proof whether it is there or not. But I am just giving you the idea that it is not only in India people knew about it, but all over the places people knew about this power that existed within us. And this power is the power that we can call is the power of desire to be one, to be united with the Self, with the Divine. And this power is not yet manifested and that’s why it’s called it is sleeping. Because this desire is not yet manifested, that’s why people say that this is a sleeping power within us. Now scientifically you can see. Scientifically you can see that this bone pulsates when the Kundalini awakens. You can see with your naked eye. Not in all people, in some people where the path is all right it just shoots off. But in people there’s obstructions you can see very clearly, very clearly, thousands of them we have seen and people have seen, this Kundalini pulsates. And if you have a stethoscope you can feel the throbbing in that bone. And if you follow it up how it rises, you can feel the throbbing coming up to the head. And when it comes to the head it breaks that bone in the sense that it becomes a soft bone and you get your baptism. That is the real baptism. Whatever was unreal was accepted so much everywhere that naturally it is now challenged. I do not want to defend all that. People talked of baptism, they used to have baptism, regular baptism. But that’s all artificial you can see that the Kundalini doesn’t rise, it doesn’t break here. In India we have a system of calling somebody a Brahmin and they are given a thread. And the same ceremony is done by a Brahmin who is not a Brahmin, who is not a realised soul. And that one was done once upon a time was a realised soul, now it is done by somebody who is not a realised soul. So when it is an unreal thing; supposing a son of a Brahmin comes and asks me that, “Mother, how do You say that this is how we become Brahmins?”, I’ll tell him no, you have to become Brahmin by a real happening within you, and is the real seeking that is blessed by this happening. It happens - so far I’ve seen thousands of people. It’s a mass thing. It has to happen in a mass way. If it does not happen in a mass way, then it has no utility. It happens to one person, then people start crucifying, thinking of crucifixion of such a person, or giving poison to such a person, or torturing such a person. In India also, such a good country like India, where people are so spiritually I should say sensitive, there also many saints have been tortured. The reason is [that] people have not got the sensitivity to understand that they are really saints. So a big gap was there. And today I say the blossom time has come, and many people have to have this realisation and they have to feel their own Self and the all-pervading power. The time has come, it’s a blossom time. And everybody has to feel it, this is the power which is all-pervading, it’s the divine power of God’s love. He created this universe because He loved us, there is no other reason because He’s complete, He’s perfect, He’s fully satisfied with Himself. But He just created because He loved and He wants as a gracious Father, as a Father who is extremely generous and loving, to give His kingdom to us, to invite us into His kingdom and give us all His powers, so that you know Him in your awareness. As a result of this, what happens to you is that you become, again I say you become, not that what I say is just a brainwash, but you become collectively conscious, you become, you start feeling. Like he said you don’t have to tell that you are brothers and sisters. What happens really that you start feeling the power flowing through you, and then you placed your hands towards somebody, and immediately you know where he is catching. These are the different centres within us, these five, one, two, three, four, five, six and seven centres. And you see them on the left, and the right hand, these centres very clearly. The left side as shown here, which is the left-sided, which comes from the right side to the left side, is the power of desire, is the power that manifests our subconscious, is the power which looks after our past we can say, conditioning, and is our emotional power. When we work emotionally, this starts emitting its own manifestation. And the right sided one, the one we call right sided, actually comes from the left side and goes down, is the one, is the power of physical work and mental work, of action. And when these two go into action, the first one creates a pouch-like thing called as superego, and the another one creates another pouch or another balloon like ego. And that’s how these two things develop. And at the age of, say, about twelve years we get separated and we develop our I-ness, and we all become different personality. That’s how we have received our freedom to grow. Now we grow within that egg-like structure of ours, we develop in that structure till we are matured enough. Suddenly you find that this Kundalini rises, breaks this point just like the egg shells or you can say like a caterpillar, the transmutation and transformation both take place, and you become a butterfly or a bird. You are a different person altogether. This has to happen; we have to find our meaning, because this creation that God has created with such love will be all wasted, it will have no meaning. It is He who has become so gracious, it is He who wants you to get these powers, that it is all working. At this level how can you think of paying for it? Just think of it. How can you pay for God’s love? He doesn’t understand money. How can you pay for it? It is impossible; it’s absurd, it is insulting. It shows we have no knowledge as to how God should be. He loves you. How much did you pay for getting your breathing mechanism? Or how can you read about it? What do we read when we have to breathe? If by reading if you start breathing what would happen to us? Just think of it. It’s so spontaneous. God has given us so much but we take it all for granted. And we don’t understand His value. In the same way this realisation which is the vital thing has to come to us absolutely free and spontaneously. Spontaneously, because it’s a living process and everything that is living is spontaneous. You cannot pay for it, you cannot say ‘at this time’ , you cannot guide it. It works by itself. The only difference between the other evolutions and this evolution is this; that in that evolution you did not know, you were not aware of your evolution, but in this one you will be. You will be know that you are transformed. You will know that it is flowing through you. In your conscious mind you will have the Spirit manifesting. The Spirit about which you have heard will be manifesting in your conscious mind. So far it was just a witness of all your doings, but now it is a part and parcel of your being in the sense that you become the Spirit. Again I say you become. I cannot say, oh, now you are all realised souls, no, it’s not possible. One enlightened light can enlighten another light; it’s so simple as that. You are all ready, you are all say lights, and just because I was enlightened when I was born I can enlighten you. When Bala said about power, I thought I must be some sort of a dynamite or something. It’s a power of love. Can we understand power of love? It has all the powers in it and it is more powerful than any other power. So far human beings have never used it, what they have used is the power of hatred. They have never used the power of love which is the most effective, beautiful, delicate power. It’s so dynamic because it is all-pervading. You have to jump into that awareness to be that. But when the Kundalini rises this way, the first thing that happens, the first thing that happens to you is that physically you get cured. But I hope you don’t collect all the sick people tomorrow. When Kundalini is awakened, then you get physically absolutely cleansed. It’s a cleansing process, and that’s how you will be happy to know that cancer can be cured. Cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga, I’ve been saying that. Now people when they get cancer they come to me, even doctors and very highly placed people. But when they go and tell people that we got cured with Sahaja Yoga, nobody believes them; they think this man is mad. So many diseases can be cured by Kundalini awakening. Like I would say, now supposing I have to come to this room, you have got it decorated, clean. If God is to be established in your heart then the body has to be cleansed. So as a grace this mother your Kundalini, which is your individual Kundalini, she just cleanses your body. In one shot, overnight, so many people got cured (24.08). Then your addictions and habits which come to you through your conditionings and domination of the matter on you drops out. So many people overnight forgot to smoke, they just forgot they had to smoke. They were surprised after three days they realised that they have to smoke. We have people who were really like druggists and chemists, you see, they had storehouses of drugs within them; and this they did because they were seeking, you see, nothing wrong with them. They got completely cured. Because when you get the absolute, all these relative things fall off. Then your mental problems also get corrected. Here I would like to give a note on so many false gurus who have come to this country. So many false gurus have come, and there are many who are now prospering in England as well as in America and everywhere. And people are so much enamoured by these false gurus. And they have been really paying such a lot of money to these gurus that I cannot understand that though they are mesmerised, how could they be so much befooled? And now, after befooling, they do not want to believe it. They came and told me, “Mother, our guru doesn’t talk ill of anyone”. I said, “The satan is not going to talk against [the] satans, is he?”. Now the after effects of these gurus is so horrifying. In this hall only last time I had about I think eight or ten people who were just jumping on the seat, in a horrible condition just like mad people - today they are normal people - all suffering from epilepsy. They have become bankrupt, they have sold their houses, their children are on the streets, they are divorced, they are sick, they have got blood cancer. Still they are madly in love with their gurus! This kind of mass hypnosis was to work. Has been already indicated that false gurus will be coming. Now how do you make out a false guru? First of all anybody who takes money from you for his living cannot be a real person. He must live with his own earnings. If he is a poor man, like Christ was, He lived like a carpenter’s son. Why these gurus take money from you? They have never seen a, even a motorbike, they want to buy Rolls Royces. Throw them in the sea. There is another one who has got 5, 6 keeps and has got three, four landing spaces. And you think he is a guru. You are so impressed by their badly earned, illegally earned money. Then what can God do also about it? How can you be impressed by such people who lead such a horrible life? Immoral people are we also so much in the game! Very immoral, extremely immoral. They teach you dirty things. Especially in the West, I can’t understand when you had a person like Christ who was purity, nothing but purity. He said, “You talk of adultery, I say that thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. From there to what are you going? They may be Indians or anything. They are a curse on this earth and such people are followed. Now I can tell you any one of them, those people who were jumping here, were the teachers. And they told me that when they held a meeting in Birmingham there were three thousand people. These people who were suffering from epilepsy. Why? Because all the media was after them, they paid the medias. And that’s how they were there. This is a very big problem, you see, the money begets money. But you cannot get God with money. It’s a very funny vicious circle. Please understand. And it’s the greatest destruction for human beings. Because these are the most beautiful flowers of God which are not paid attention to. And these people went to the police, and told them about it, nobody’s willing to listen to them. You’ll be amazed. There was a diamond merchant who is now on the street begging. Can you imagine these things have happened, and nobody is bothered about them. And they are saints; they are born to seek God. Have some understanding. And this is what is happening. I am so very sad to see that people who are so beautiful in the eyes of God are tortured by these. And now even in England and France and everywhere I find people have taken a good hint from them and they have also floated big enterprises. In the name of God. In the name of God you cannot take a single pie. It’s sin. You remember Christ had taken a hunter in his hand and started hitting all the people who were selling in front of the church. They were not even selling God, but in front of the church they were having, He could not bear that insult. And these are selling God and selling realisation and selling these precious things. My heart weeps actually to see these beautiful people are being tortured from one guru to another. They are seekers. In Birmingham I met a man; I asked him how many gurus you have been? All his money, all his earnings he gave to gurus. And he gave me a list of people which was written in three pages and both the sides covered. Can you imagine this gentleman? And he had all kinds of problems that you could think of. Everything, everybody, every part of his body was paining, he had this trouble, that trouble, this problem, that problem. There was no problem on the earth that he did not have. Who is going to pay for all this? I feel that people do not want to accept the truth sometimes. There are seekers, they get so fed up and so tired that they think Mother is another guru. I’m not a guru, I’m a mother. Guru is a very difficult task. I mean the real guru is a very difficult, is a very hard taskmaster, I tell you. I’m just a mother but Mother is the guru of gurus because She knows how to handle Her children. They are very difficult people. Any guru if you want to meet who is a real guru, it’s not easy. Half of your flesh will be finished before you see him. But the time has come that all of you must get it. With all self-respect, with all your glory, with all your freedom you have to get it. You are honoured by God, you are respected by God. And that’s why whatever has happened has happened; now forget about it, better get your realisation. And then all understand all the knowledge of your centres which are within you. Everything about yourself, and about others and how you feel. (34.32) Now, if there are say two children who are realised, you call them out and tie their eyes, is a very simple test, and ask them to feel the vibrations of another person. And immediately they’ll say this finger is catching. Means this man has got throat trouble. All of them. There was a lady from Observer. She came to see me, she got her realisation. She’s very intellectual. But she was so surprised at her realisation. She said, “Mother, I must jump to it and write it”. I said, “No, no, please settle down, you must establish yourself”. She said, “No, no, I can’t help it, I must tell because I am a seeker and I know how people have suffered”. So she went on, but afterwards, I think she was a little surprised how could she get realisation. She had (33.54) no faith in herself left, poor thing, perhaps. So, one of the sahaja yogis said, “All right, call the children”. And she called the children. And the children started feeling the wind even from my photograph. And they said, “Oh Mother, wind, wind is coming, such a lot of wind is coming!”. And that’s how she was convinced. You all are invited to it, believe me, you are invited. And have it, with all grace and beauty you all should have it. You have suffered too much. Now it’s time for all of you to get it, isn’t it? But believe in yourself. Why do you think that you cannot have it? And the greatest disease of the West is that they all think they are very guilty. I mean, this disease must get out. If you think you are guilty, you cannot get your realisation. What are you guilty for? What have you done? What guilt do you have I just can’t understand, it’s imaginary! All the time you are guilty for this, you are guilty for that, any small thing. If you have not said “thank you” hundred times in day, one day, you feel guilty. I mean there’s no need to say so many thank you’s, also. And to think that you have done mistakes all your life this is mistake, that you have done mistake, you should be like this, your face should be like this, your hair should be like this, you should walk like this, you must have a dress like this. If you put your knife this side to that side what does it matter in the eyes of God? It’s not important. And to think all the time that you are guilty creates a problem here. You must have many people saying that I’ve got pain in the neck. Know that he’s feeling guilty for nothing at all. For such people there’s a very simple mantra to say: “Mother, I am not guilty”. Simple. Thrice you say and your neck will be all right. Is a very simple mantra to say, “Mother, I am not guilty”. I am talking here about the ocean of love, the ocean of forgiveness. And what are these specks you have collected, imaginary ones? This I discovered after coming to England that people feel guilty and then others also I have seen. But in India there are very few people who really feel I tell you, they never feel guilty I think (Shri Mataji laughs). They have the other problem, right side, but not the left side. I mean, they are feeling guilty… (Shri Mataji laughs). I mean, I don’t think we have so much time to sit down and think that we are guilty, we are so busy, you see, perhaps in that country. But this was my experience. And with that little thing you got your realisation. Can you imagine? (36.45) So there should be no self-pity, there should not be any unhappiness about it. But it’s just a play, it’s so simple, it is not frivolous, it is very deep working. But just a play, like you come in the room you ask me how to put the light on, there’s a switch you put it on. But behind that is a big organisation. In the same way the Kundalini awakening, though it’s a play, behind that is a big organisation. And you need not take all the responsibility of world (38.38) all upon yourself. God is doing everything. Actually you are doing nothing. What do we do? Tell me. At the most, if a tree dies, we make a chair out of it. That’s all. And the chair sits on our head, we can’t sit on the ground then, once we make the chair. That’s all we do. We cannot transform one flower into a fruit, can we? Not even one. The One who does billions and billions of these every moment, where are we compared to Him? To think that we are doing something, and that we are guilty for it, is all absurd. Now I have to say one thing, that in one day’s lecture it’s not possible to cover all the points, all the centres and everything. But we have got certain booklets, something you can go through that. We have a big book also here available for those who want to read. But I would say don’t read too much, already you are over-read people. So it’s better not to read anymore. It’s better to experience and develop the experience, and grow more, and then you start reading. And we have a centre here, [in] Birmingham, which is doing very well now. You can meet those people, they - some of them only got realisation about a year back, and you will find they are scholars. When I went to America the journalist asked me, “Mother, all your disciples are they scholars?” I said, “No, they are not. What makes you think that?” He said, “They are all scholars, they know such a lot”. So once you reach that sap of life, through that you get the complete knowledge. You become the knowledge. Knowledge is the first thing you get. First you get the knowledge. That is also a knowledge which is your own, in the sense you feel hot, cold. Now anybody who feels hot need not be an educated man or a scholar. He feels hot. Anybody who puts a finger to the thing feels hot. It’s like that, you feel. So first you get the knowledge about it, and then you get the joy out of it. So I have to tell you one thing, that though it sounds very fantastic, it is not, it is absolutely simple. And this should happen. I would like to have some questions from you about it, and then we’ll see how it works out. All right? And not to be afraid, there’s nothing to have any fear about Kundalini. Because you must have read such big, big books saying that Kundalini burns you, Kundalini does this. No, she is your own mother. She doesn’t do anything of the kind. These are the people who have never known what Kundalini is. It’s like somebody putting the fingers into the plug and saying that electricity burns you. They are unauthorised people who have done all this, and that’s how they have suffered. Good way. So any questions please? Can’t think; if the Kundalini rises above this, you become thoughtless, you just can’t think. And when she gets out from here, you start feeling the cool breeze from your head. Really a cool breeze you feel it and from your fingers. As simple as that. You are still doubting something. Ask a question. (42.59) Lady: Do you need to seek the power before you pray? Shri Mataji: Can’t hear. Loudly. Lady: Do you need to seek the power… Shri Mataji: Just come. Come, come, come here. Come. Yes, yes. Yes. Lady: Do you need to seek the power within before you just pray? Shri Mataji: Eh? Lady: To pray, do you need to seek the power within, to release the power before you pray? Because it’s very difficult to pray… Shri Mataji: To pray. All right. All right. May God bless you. Sit down. I’ll tell you. She is saying that, have you to pray to Kundalini? No, nothing, nothing, you don’t have to do. You see, prayer before realisation has no meaning, it’s like telephoning without connection (laughter). There’s nothing to pray, nothing to pray, nothing to pray. Another lady: Can you get the Kundalini, or something like it, and then it can die? Or once you’ve got it… (inaudible words). Shri Mataji: Can you come here? Lady: Pardon? Shri Mataji: Come, come here, tell me. So. Man: Now I think everybody has got a question to ask, but it’s - they don’t know how to ask the question. Shri Mataji: They don’t know? Man: I think everybody has got a question to ask, but they just don’t know how to… Shri Mataji: What? Know what? They don’t know what? Man: Everybody has got a question to ask You, everybody knows that, but they don’t know how to ask You. Shri Mataji: They don’t want to? Man: They don’t know how to ask You. [Shri Mataji laughs] Man: A lot of people just don’t know how to ask questions. You know what I mean? Shri Mataji: They what, what questions? Ask now, what is there? What is you don’t know? I know English at least, so ask me any question in English. All right? Now, what did you say? Lady: Can you get the Kundalini, and then it can die? Shri Mataji: And then? Lady: Then it can die? Or once you’ve got it, have you always got it? (45.06) Shri Mataji: Oh, now, very good question. Alright. That’s a good question. Sit down. That’s a good one. Yes, sit down, sit down, sit down. She asked me a question, if it is awakened can it die out? It doesn’t. Once it is awakened it goes up, opens out. But, but it’s there. At the first shot, you see, it goes really in a big way, you get it in a really big way. You remember it. But then it goes back and looks after other parts where there’s a problem, so the force is reduced. But then you have to learn how to keep the force there and how to raise it, and this is what is called as vidya, is called as the knowledge. How to raise the Kundalini ... [Audio interruption] ... What is all this about? So that part you have to know. I am here to decode it. Somebody came and told me, “Mother, I feel here tickling, all the time tickling”. I said, “This centre is not all right, you have to open this centre”. Now how to open this centre? Then I had to tell that person you have to do this very simple method. You see, certain movements, because it is flowing from your hands, certain movements how to do it, which are the deities on different centres, if you come to know about it - for example, this centre is the centre of Christ. Between the optic chiasm is placed a very subtle centre of Christ. In the Indian scriptures He is called as Maha Vishnu. Now He was born on this earth to suck the ego and superego. His crucifixion was there to suck our sins, means the ego and the superego. But He is to be awakened. Unless and until He is awakened it cannot happen - you go to church or you pray to Him - nothing will happen. But if Kundalini goes and stops there, and if you say Lord’s Prayer, it will rise. Is the proof that it is Christ’s centre. Now this very important point that He should be awakened, that Christ was for this, was never known to Christians. It’s a living process. He said, “I am a living God”. And when they went to India the way they talked about Christianity was something absurd. So Hindus still believe that this One who has to redeem us has to come. They don’t know that He is already born and crucified and He is the one. He is Maha Vishnu who is described in Devi Mahatmyam very, very clearly. He was specially made. Who was His father; who was His mother, all described. But the people who know English have no rapport with our ancient scriptures and those who went from here have no rapport with Christ. That He is to be awakened within us. He said, “I am to be born”. And how to awaken it nobody knew - only through Kundalini you can do it. He said, it’s said in the Bible: “I’ll appear before you like tongues of flames”. Now what are these tongues of flames? Go and ask these people. These Jews do they know? Mohammed has very clearly said that you are to become a pir; you have to be born again. I mean namaz is one of the very good ways of raising the Kundalini, if you are using the Sahaja Yoga method. Means you get your realisation and then you do namaz, you’ll be amazed. Everything has a meaning only when it is a living thing. Otherwise it’s dummy. Everything is a dummy stuff, you see, like this is a dummy thing. I shout at it or do whatever you like, it’s not going to work. That’s why everything is a dummy, and that’s why people say, “Oh, Christianity is wrong”. If you go to the Muslims, they will say the Jews are wrong. The Jews will say the Muslims are wrong, the Hindus are wrong. I mean they are all blaming each other. If you have to learn about yourself better go to the other party. But they are all dummies. Once you get realised you will know they are all connected with each other, absolutely one, there’s complete harmony and concord. Christ Himself has said, Those who are not against Me are with Me”. Now go and ask these priests who are those who are not against Him; who are with Him. I mean, He was not even given sufficient time, only for four years He could talk and He was killed. Everywhere they have done a nice pickling up of all these great people. But Sahaja Yoga completely exposes their advents, their purpose, their places within us and also establishes all the fundamental things that are described in all the scriptures and their co-relationships (50.30). It’s such a fantastic thing. How it establishes? By proving it. I’ll tell you one example, a simple example. There was a gentleman from Iran, he was a doctor, he came to see me. I mean, it is now we cannot contact him because he’s in Iran. But he came to see me, he was a Muslim. And I told him that Mohammed Sahib was born as Nanak Sahib in India. He could not believe it. He said how can it be? Though Nanak Sahib had said it in a way, because Nanak Sahib was sleeping and somebody told Him that, ”You are placing your feet towards Mecca”. He said, All right, I’ll turn my feet to other side”, and the Mecca came that side. He said, “I can’t believe it, I can’t believe it”. I said, “But Mohammed Sahib has said that He is the last”. I said, ”I’m not sure of that, but maybe He must have decided to come back the way people are”. He could not believe it. And he had stomach cancer, which is caused by - one of the reasons is fanaticism. I told him, “You have to believe in Him. He was one of the incarnations of the Primordial Master and He was the same Abraham, was the same Moses, was the same Socrates, was the same, and you have to believe it”. He said, “I can’t believe it”. I said, “Then I can’t cure you”. Then he went back and he was very sick. His wife said, “Now what is there after all, you see, we became Muslims because our parents were Muslims, and they told us that Mohammed Sahib was the last. After all you are to be saved”. Then he came and he said, “All right, Mother, whatever you say I’m going to say”. I said, “Now you pray to Nanak Sahib instead of praying to Mohammed Sahib, because it is Mohammed Sahib who is angry with you”. And he got cured; he’s still living. He got cured. It’s so simple. You can’t believe it; it is so fantastic. It is worth seeing yourself with your own eyes. The other day only, in Scotland, there was a gentleman who was suffering from terrible, terrible arthritis. He got completely cured and he came to see me in Edinburgh. Arthritis is absolutely curable; Diabetes is absolutely curable; paralysis is absolutely curable. These all come out of your imbalances. If you want to treat a tree and if you just treat a flower or a leaf you cannot treat the tree. You have to go through the sap. Sahaja Yoga is a system by which you go through the sap of a personality and treat the whole body as a whole. Because the whole is the one which is to be looked after and not a part of it, because you are a part of the whole. And once you get connected with the whole, that whole, that primordial Being looks after you. And this is what has exactly happened to us that we are all separated from the whole, and we have to become one with that, with all our awareness and understanding; so that that whole looks after us. So coming back to your question about Kundalini that it falls off, is a true thing with some people, it does go down. But all the forces that are divine are looking after you. You have to little bit cooperate with your Kundalini and she comes up, she makes you beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Now, any more questions? Man: Could you explain what exactly you have to do, to…? Shri Mataji: That’s the exact point. You don’t have to do anything. You see, I have to do something about it, not you. In the beginning; then you can do it. Like this light is here, all right? This is enlightened. Now there’s another candle, which is not enlightened. that candle has to stay straight. Just keep the wick out, that’s all. And this candle has to just go near that and that gets enlightened. I mean, I’m not doing anything about it, that also I must say, because sometimes the ego gets challenged; you know, somebody says, “Why, Mother, you?” I said, “You better do it. I’ll be very happy to be replaced. If you can come and do it, nothing like it. You see it will be such a change”. (Laughter) But what can I do? I have to do it. Otherwise I’m a happily married woman; I have my children, grandchildren, everyone there, I have no problems. But I see your problem, and I see that Spirit in you, and I just feel in all my love and compassion that you must know it; that’s all. And once you know it, you can do it yourself. Like one light can enlighten many. Isn’t it? It’s as simple. You become that. You don’t have to do anything about it; you have to just put your fingers like this and the power flows into you. It’s that simple. You won’t believe, but it is so. Because you are ready. You are just ready to be enlightened. Now this instrument is made, if it is not put to the mains what’s the use? But how do you put to the mains? Just put to the mains, that’s all. The mains are there, and this is ready, you just put to the mains, you are just there. Like a television set to a villager if you tell, he won’t believe that it is so fantastic. That there are all things around you; he will say, “I can’t see anything, how can I believe it?” And you put to the mains and you start seeing the television manifesting, which is so fantastic. In the same way, you are a special instrument created by God. You are just put to the mains. You don’t have to do anything. What did you do for your evolution? When we became human beings from a monkey, what did we do? Nothing, we did not cut our tail or anything, it just dropped off. (Laughter) In the same way, we don’t do anything for this also; it’s just there; you are just ready; you just get it like that. You don’t know how fantastic you are. You don’t know that, na? I know that. But you will also know very soon (Shri Mataji laughs). When you know you will be amazed how fantastic you are within. It’s said always, all the scriptures, all the great people have described you as very great. All of them have described. But you must have faith in yourself that you are great, no doubt. And that instrument is ready, just ready. It is to be applied to the mains and once you start manifesting you can give it to others. It’s that simple. You can’t believe it I know, but it is so, you will see that very soon. Do not doubt it too much, all right? Otherwise this brain will be working, “khat khat khat khat khat khat”. That’s why I said for a while you should stop thinking about it, then it should work out. Because I’ve seen people who go on doubting very much, you see, they take time. Just open, open out yourself, you must open yourself fully and it should work out (57.21). After all you want to have your realisation, isn’t it? What else you want? You don’t want to doubt for doubting sake! What’s the use of doubting also? I mean, if there is, supposing I say there’s a diamond here. You will all run. Not only you but people from Australia will come if I say it is free, available. Don’t you think so? They will say worth going by plane, if there’s such a big diamond available. So no use doubting. Just have it. You have a diamond in your heart. No doubt. It will spark. Do not doubt. This mind has been doubting all the time, what has it given you? Nothing. It will give you problems and headaches. Don’t be doubting Thomas’s (Shri Mataji laughs); be trusting. Lady: Do you find people’s problems stop them getting realisation? Shri Mataji: Come here; come. Yes? Lady: Do you find people’s problems stop them getting realisation? Shri Mataji: Do you find people’s problems…? Lady: … stop them getting realisation? … Shri Mataji: Problems - it stops a little, sometimes, little bit. But I have known all the permutations, combinations now. So I can get over all the problems; I think so. All right? [Lady: “Yes”] I know many permutations and combinations now of problems (Shri Mataji laughs). In the beginning you’ll be amazed in this England I came here when my husband got elected to this job. For four years I worked on six people, for four years, can you imagine? And now they just get it like that. Now I know all the permutations, combinations of English people and England and western people. Now I’m going to America and I’ve been there before also; so keep your fingers crossed; I’m sure I’ll work it out there also. (Shri Mataji laughs) Everybody is an interesting sample of some combination. But I know all the keys somehow; I’ve studied it and I’ve put all attention to it. It has worked out and all these problems I know what you all have. Somehow it works out, so don’t you worry about that. If there were no problems, there was no need to do this. I mean, you would be just there. There has to be problems. Any other problem? (Shri Mataji laughs) Man: Excuse me, please. We’ve got seven chakras over there; can you please tell us what part each one plays? Shri Mataji: Alright. See, that’s good. Now all that is so elaborate I may not be able to tell you today; but can you come and show? But I will be able to say in short, all right? Now he is coming; he will show you. I’m just… Now the first chakra which is below the Kundalini, the first one, is the very important centre, which is bestowed by a deity, which is the embodiment of innocence. Is the centre of innocence, the first chakra. To explain it more we can say when we were at the carbon stage, carbon stage. Now carbon is a very important element, you know that. In the periodical laws it is placed in the centre; it is tetravalent, means it has four hands. Either it can give four hands or take four hands. And at that stage only the nature started producing life. So that is the stage where we were at carbon level. And nature is innocent. A chair doesn’t get angry with you. It’s only we can get angry (Shri Mataji laughs). So the nature that we are, is innocent, our basis is innocence. We are surrounded first by innocence. We are basically innocent people. So this is the first centre, is of innocence. Then the second centre that you see. Actually the Nabhi we can take it. Is the second centre and the third centre are connected. From the second centre arises the third centre. The second centre is the centre of our seeking. This one manifests our solar plexus. And this caters to our seeking. As amoeba we were seeking our food through our stomach; it is in the stomach we can say. Actually they are all placed in the medulla oblongata; they are placed in the spinal cord. But they manifest outside the plexuses. For example, the first one manifests the plexus called as pelvic plexus, which is responsible for our excretory functions. All right? Now the second one, which is the one I told you just now, manifests the solar plexus, is for our seeking. And now you are at a stage, the seekers, where you are seeking the ultimate, the beyond. But there are people who are still seeking money, there are people who are still seeking other things. But I take it for granted that you are seeking Divine. So the seeking reaches that stage (1.03.08) at that centre. The other centre that comes out of it is the centre of action. The seeking has to put into action, otherwise supposing you are hungry you have to go into action to get it. So this is the centre of action within us, which works within us all the activities for the future, it thinks and all the activities that we require for our mental or our physical needs. So this is a centre of the Creator. The above centre [to] that is the centre which is the centre of Heart as we call it. Is the centre which represents your sense of security. When the child is about twelve years of age, this centre creates antibodies in your sternum bone and these antibodies by the time the child is twelve years of age go into the whole body. And they are the ones who react to any invasion on the body. And these antibodies react; say for example, all our injection system works on that. We put a little virus, which is an outsider invader inside the body and when you put that, they get energetic to fight. And because of their energies they fight the disease and we get cured. This is the principle of that is. This is the centre of our sense of security. When we are insecure, then this centre starts pulsating and emitting more antibodies and looking after us. And this is a very important centre within us. But there are other two other centres on sides of it; one is of the mother, one of the father; on both sides. I mean they have sub-centres also. Now this one can be called as the one which manifests cardiac plexus. Then above that is the centre which is behind here, is the centre of our collectivity. Is the centre where we become one with the whole. Is the centre which gives us the idea that we are one. By this centre we become also the witness of the play of the Divine, later on when it is enlightened. It is a very important centre by which we talk to others, we communicate to others on the right hand side. On the left hand side emotionally we become attached to people. Then above that is the centre, as I told you, of Christ, or we can say the centre of ascent. There is the door, which goes into this area of limbic area, which is grossly known as limbic area, which is the kingdom of God. And above is the last one here where this point. The whole thing is one centre, the limbic area and this point. When the ego and superego are sucked in, the Kundalini rushes through, and this fontanel bone area becomes very soft and you start getting the cool breeze from that part. Now in short I’ve told you, but in details you can go through the book, it’s all written down about these centres which are the basic seven centres but there are many other centres, which are sub plexuses of these. Amazingly there’s one thing that all these centres are manifesting the plexuses outside and all these plexuses. For example here, the plexus is the one that looks after the pituitary and the pineal, these two things. So it is related absolutely with the gross as well but we go from inside outward, while the doctors go from outward inside. Which you cannot go, you cannot enter into a tree through a leaf, you can enter only through the sap into it. These are in short I have told you. But there are all these things are clearly written down in a book that they will give you. They have got it. Have you got that book? [Yogi: “Yes, Mother”] You can get. It’s a very small booklet. Do you charge any money for that? No? It’s free? You charge a little. How much? Yogi: Ten p’s or something. Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogi 2: Ten p’s or something. Shri Mataji: Ten p’s or something they charge. You see because maybe, so far all these boys have been printing it and paying for it, for the whole also. I mean, this thing requires money no doubt, but these boys have been doing it. And it’s all right, not much, you see. Birmingham is a cheap place that way, I must say, compared to some places I went to. Also everybody is trying to fund it so that, I mean, there is no sort of any profit basis or anything. But like ashram we have got, we have got say ten people, they take a house, they live there, look after it and that’s an ashram. There’s no sort of a profit making or any fees or anything. Because they live there, they have a house, they live there, that’s all. It’s as simple as that. We do not have any such organisation; there is nobody who is organised in it. You cannot organise God. So there’s no organisation, they are there because of their free will, because of their freedom and because of their love, and because they feel responsible that they should do it. There’s no force on you; there’s no compulsion; there’s no money taking; there’s no membership. Man: Is it also possible, please, for any of those centres to awaken without the knowledge of the individual? Shri Mataji: You see, sometimes it happens that a person can be attacked from the sides and then that centre can go on emitting too much. Like in cancer it happens. That one of the centres you see, say for instance the stomach. Now, if you are eating, say, something which is irritating the stomach centre, then what happens that this centre receives all the energies from everywhere, all the stored up energy, and starts working very hard. When it starts working very hard, it gets dislocated. When it gets dislocated, what happens that there is no relationship left with the whole, and the cells starts growing more than in relation to the whole. And we say malignancy has been set in. And like that can happen, they can get over-excited. But the energy from other centres is brought in one, and they get over-excited without any relationship to the whole. And that’s a very dangerous situation. Such a thing can happen and sometimes it can happen on certain centres where people just get possessed. And they think they have got some sort of a great experience. Is not so. Like there was a lady who always felt that she’s getting out of her body. Ultimately she got her cancer. Now, of course, she is cured, she’s all right. But these all such experiences come from the left and the right side. Not from the superior. The one experience on the left hand side is of the collective subconscious, because on the left hand side of this channel that you see is the collective subconscious. Now, we do not know, because these are unknown areas for us; the collective subconscious on this area and [the] collective supraconscious on this area. Now, for example, spiritualists they work from the collective subconscious; it’s a very dangerous thing to do. We have nothing to do with spirits, nothing to do with them. We are in the centre and the present. If you indulge into spiritualism, you’ll find you’ll develop a very funny situation and I don’t know how they end it up. Apart from mental trouble, you’ll be amazed, I mean, I’m amazed at it myself, that all the cancer patients I’ve seen so far are all attacked from the left side, not from the right side. Those who are attacked from the right side, is the supraconscious, the collective supraconscious, are the people like Hitler. Who get possessed by very, you can say, very, very dominating personalities who are dead, or those who lived in the future, are the great planners, this, that, they get attacked. And once they get attacked there’s an outlet. (1.10.34) For example we can say Hitler was like a medium. And he transformed other people into that kind of a frantic temperament. I mean, it took him eleven years to build up that kind of a domain of Satans, you see, but it took eleven years. And I would blame then the people who allowed this to grow. And once this grew up and suddenly it blew up them, then they realised; oh God where are we? So these attacks can come from these two areas - they are called as adi bhautik and adi daivik in Sanskrit language. But this is, is the Spirit; is the Atmik; is the superior; is the super-most experience where you become the Spirit itself - your Spirit, not somebody else’s. All these experiences are not healthy; they should be avoided for all those who are seeking reality. I mean, if you want to have some jugglery, then it’s a different thing, but it is a very dangerous thing to play with it. All these gurus are using only this, either left or the right side. They use these spirits and that’s how [they] mesmerise. That’s a very dangerous state. The other day - Sahaja Yoga has become so powerful now that they, these people gave realisation to an archbishop of black magic. Can you imagine? I was amazed. And this fellow was quite all right, then he went home and he found everything was moving around. These, all the things that were there, were moving around. Now the spirits were tempting him back. They thought if we show some sort of this jugglery he will be back again. And they telephoned to me, “Mother, now what to do?”. I said, “Why did you give him realisation? There was no need to give him realisation”. He said, “Just he came and he got it”. I said, “Leave him alone, I’ll look after him, you don’t worry”. It happens now. This Sahaja Yoga is so great. imagine giving realisation to the archbishop of black magic. I mean, this is too much (laughter). But it’s doing, it’s happening (Shri Mataji laughs). Man: May I say by the way that I can see a white aura around your head for the last hour. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s true (Man: “Yes”), but I would say don’t see that. You’ll see many things, because I’m something more; there’s no doubt. Quite a lot I am. That you have to discover later. You can see many things. But I would say don’t see anything, because this also seeing is not the thing - is experiencing is the thing. And that’s why you must experience your being. And people have seen me in many forms, many things. That’s not important. That’s not important. Important is that you must get your realisation. I must be something, isn’t it, to do it? No doubt. There must be something about me. But I don’t want to talk about it just now. I’m very tactful; you better find out. Lady: Why is peace and tranquillity adjusted on your face? Shri Mataji: On my face? (Lady: “Yes…”) (Shri Mataji laughs) You are also going to get it. That’s all I can say. It is there, inside. It is all - whatever is inside comes out, isn’t it? You are all peace, tranquillity, everything inside. You are also the same, not only me. You have to just feel it. You will, you will no doubt, you will feel it, no doubt. I assure you. That’s why I’m here; I want you to enjoy that what I am enjoying. That’s all. You see, it’s like a drunkard who cannot enjoy his drink. That’s why I say that I am a capitalist because I have all these powers and I am the greatest communist because I must share. I can’t help it without sharing. So this is such a combination. All right? Lady: Thank you. Shri Mataji: So should we have it now all of us? Because it is within us so why not have it? Will you please put your hands just like this straight, put both the feet straight on the ground just like this. This is just to help your Mother Earth to take away the problems just like that. And close your eyes; just close your eyes, it will work out in no time. Just close your eyes. It’s all right. Now you don’t say anything; just close your eyes and put your hands like this. Now feeling the cool breeze? Already? Now enjoy it. Just close your eyes. Now few things I will tell you which you have to say in your heart. One of them as I told you, say in your heart thrice: “Mother, I am not guilty”. Say it thrice please. Believe in what you are saying that you are really not guilty. In the eyes of God you are not at all guilty. You have no business to judge yourself. Just say, “Mother, I am not guilty”. That is to establish your love for yourself. That “Mother, I am not guilty”; just say that. If there is any shaking in your hands or anything, then keep your eyes open. If there’s a little shaking may be because there is some sort of pressure on your nerves. If there’s a shaking or anything, doesn’t matter, after some time it will go away. Just put your hands towards me or you can throw away the shaking like this, thrice. And it will be nice; you’ll like it, if you feel the shaking. Now first thing you say with your heart: “Mother, I am not guilty”. The second thing, thrice you have to say that. That you have to say is that, “Mother, I forgive everyone”. Just say that. People might say that it is difficult; nothing difficult to say it. Just say, “Mother, I forgive everyone”. Just say that, because by not forgiving actually you are carrying an unnecessary load and harming yourself. You cannot harm others, you are harming yourself. So just say, “Mother, I forgive everyone”. Say it thrice; just say that. These are your main problems. First is feeling guilty, secondly not forgiving others. Go on saying it, “Mother, I forgive everyone”. Now you can put your right hand on your heart. Keep your eyes shut. And ask a question; “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask thrice, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask thrice, you will start getting the cool breeze at this point. If not you just say without feeling guilty, again I say without feeling guilty, you just say, “Forgive me if I have done anything wrong out of my ignorance”. That also you say it thrice. Now ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask thrice, just ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Now put both the hands and see if the cool breeze is coming in the hand. If it is not coming in the right hand, then put the right hand towards me and left on the stomach. Now ask a question saying, “Mother, am I my own teacher? Am I my own Guru?” Those people who have been to wrong gurus will get a problem. You have been to someone? All right, doesn’t matter, we’ll - just see now, you can see the result just now. You can’t even control it. They shake before me. See, if you have been to a wrong person you can just see it, happening to him. All right? Doesn’t matter. Ask him to put his hand outside, he’ll tell you what is to be done. Just go to him, he will do it. Just go to him, he’ll tell you what is to be done. To whom you have been? Man: To spiritualist church. Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: To spiritualist church. Yogi: Spiritualist church. Shri Mataji: Shaking, they shake, these spirits shake. How are you? Have you got it? Have you got it? Have you got the cool breeze? (Lady: “Yes, I have”) Good, good. Have you been to spiritualist church yourself? (Lady: “No…”) Thank God. (Lady: “This is my first time here”) Great, you are really pure. You got it (Lady: “I got it?”) Yes, you got it. What about you? He’s a born realised, no? He didn’t feel it? Now, just see, because he was sitting next to you, now see. Put your hands towards me. He just started shaking, terrible shaking, you should have seen that, how he shook before me. It’s terrible. Have you got it? Yes. Have you got it, my child? Not yet? What about you? Just put your hands like this. You have got cool breeze? (Man: “No”) You should. You are doubting still? You have got sinus trouble, have you? (Man: “I haven’t, no; I’ve had that”) Hm, you had it; all right, we’ll work it out. Doesn’t matter. Will work out; just put your hands like this; it should work out. Mrs. Joshi, you got it? Your face is changed, you know. You’ll look at least ten years younger, all of you. Did your friend get it? Did you get it? (Lady: “No”) Cool breeze? (Lady: “Absolutely nothing”) Nothing? All right, we’ll work it out. For journalist you must ask a question. “Mother, am I the witness of the whole play?” Just ask the question. (Lady: “Am I? I am sorry, I didn’t understand”) Am I the witness, witness of the whole play? You are a witness; you are not involved in it; you see, a journalist has to be a witness, a sakshi. Lady journalist (not clearly audible): Yes, I show what is something that happened. Obviously I wouldn’t declare otherwise, and I am interested in this. Shri Mataji: Yes, just say that. Say in your heart, “Am I the witness of the whole play?” In your heart you can say that. Ask the question. You have to first witness it, then you can report it. What about you? Are you all right? Are you getting the cool breeze? Little bit. It will work out, you watch me without thinking, let’s see it. Ah? Better? Working out (Shri Mataji laughs), [it] works out. It’s like, you see, how on a tree some fruits appear faster than others. It’s like that. Gradually, everybody will get it. Don’t you? Just sit down; comfortably, have confidence. You got it? Have you? Not yet. All right, he’s got right sided. You’ve been to some – you have been reading about something like that? That’s it. Now you ask a question: “Mother, are you the knowledge?” Just ask the question in your heart. And the whole knowledge of this avidya will go away. Ha. Ha, now you got it? Little feeling. It’s very subtle. Reading, you know, spoils it [a] little bit. So just say that, it will work out. See this lady, journalist lady. Who else hasn’t got it? Raise your hands, those who haven’t got it. All right. What? There’s nothing to fear, nothing to this thing. It must be worked out. It has to be worked out, everybody has to get it, you are right. All right? Now sahaja yogis should work on people who haven’t got it. You haven’t got? [End of audio]

Public Program. Birmingham (UK), 14 August 1981. Bala is a scientist and like him there are people who are charmed by science. The whole modern world seems to be very much influenced by science. But a scientific attitude has to be a very, very open minded attitude as he has told you. We have to reach certain conclusions first of all within ourselves. Secondly you have to understand that if there is a hypothesis put before you it has to be first seen, experimented with, and then is to be accepted as a law. Now from ancient times, whether in India, England, America, Jerusalem, anyplace we have been hearing about the all-pervading power, about getting a second birth or self-realisation, Atma sakshatkar, baptism as they call it. All these things that we have heard are to be proved or they should be discarded as untruth. We cannot go with truth and untruth together. So either we have to find out whether it is the truth or not what these people taught us, or whether it was completely a falsehood and there is nothing like that, that existed. It’s a simple way some people have just discarded saying there is no God, there is no divine power. It’s all useless things; we are not going to waste, turning their back to it. That’s very simple to do. The others have followed it blindly. Both are wrong. To follow it blindly is as wrong as not to follow it. The best thing is to watch and see. To say that: “So far we do not know whether it is true or not”, this is the right attitude with which you should approach Sahaja Yoga. Now we must realise that in this world there are people who are seekers. No doubt about it. They are not interested so much in money, so much in rituals of religions, so much in the power game, ego trips, but they think there must be something beyond. And there are many like this everywhere, thousands of them, and thousands of them, and thousands of them. No doubt about it. But those who are at the helm of affairs naturally, because they are seeking to be at the helm of affairs, they are not bothered about this part, and they think that these people who are seeking are mad, either they are lost people or they are mad people, or they don’t know what to do with themselves. But one has to accept that there is a category of special people who are seekers. I must say William Blake has talked about it very clearly. He called them ‘the Men of God’. In simple sentence ‘Men of God’. These are the people who are not satisfied with what they have but they think there has to be something beyond. Of course they might have made mistakes in their seeking, they might have gone wrong in their ignorance, they might have lost their way. They have been naïve to know what they should find out. All said and done one has to accept the fact that in this world there are many, many seekers and people have to cater to that, even the people at the helm of affairs, even the media people. All kinds of people have to cater to them, and find out what’s happening to that group of people, which are the most important people in the eyes of God. If He is at the helm of affairs, for Him seekers are the most important. Now we have to realise scientifically that we have evolved to be human beings. All right; but why? Why did we evolve as human beings? What’s the use of creating human beings which took billions of years? What did God achieve, or nature achieve by creating human beings who are running amuck actually? They have out of science produced things like atom bomb, hydrogen bomb, all destructive forces. I mean, this was not expected. That means they have missed the point somewhere in using the powers of science. There is a big confusion. If you have a way of going above the human level and see, you can see that they are confused. They do not know what to do, whatever they try to do it goes in the wrong way. They try to plan something, it ends up into atom bomb. They try to plan peaceful missions, it ends up into war. Anything they try, say, democracy or, you say, communism, everything they try, it ends up into fear. So what’s the thing? What’s the matter? Why is it happening? We have to think about it. After all we as human beings, who have taken so many years to be like this, must be something special. Must be some reason behind it, must be some purpose to this life, which has been created so beautifully. But scientists are short-sighted people. They just see the symptoms and not the disease. They just see what is available there and not beyond, and never they ask a question why it is there. That question they never ask, because they cannot answer it. They are honest because they have limitations. They do not expand anything beyond it, because they think it is imaginary. But I am here to tell you that God is the reality, all-pervading power is the reality, and its action and powers is the reality, the rest of it is a falsehood. Now this statement of mine I have to prove it, under all scientific laws I must prove it, otherwise you may crucify me. And it can be proved. It can be proved scientifically. God has created you in such a way that in you he has laid the milestones of your evolution. You can see all these chakras that are put there, the centres; there are seven centres within you, of which you are not aware. You do not know that there are seven subtle centres, which are the main centres - there are many more - which are placed within you, which are the milestones of your growth in the evolution. Now there is another thing one has to understand, that if we have to become our Selves, if we have to know our purpose, there must be some arrangement within us for our germination. If the seed has to become a tree, there is a primule in it, it’s placed there, just imagine in a little seed there is the map of all the trees it is going to become. Can you think of that? In the same way within us, this human body, who we do not think much of, we take it for granted, there is a complete map of what we are going to become. Within us is placed a power which is called as “Kundalini” in Sanskrit language. If it is Sanskrit it doesn’t mean that it is Indian or anything. In India the climate being very good, people tried to find out about oneself. And they went very deep and they located this power within themselves. It has nothing to do with India. And if you ask any Indian man now, anywhere on the street, you’ll be amazed they will say they have never heard the name ‘Kundalini’. But you’ll be amazed that this bone is called as sacrum bone where it is placed. And in Latin language, sacrum means sacred, that means people knew that this bone has something very sacred within us, in Norway where this language started. And they must be also having a word for this Kundalini, because when I went to Greece I found that they had a great knowledge of Kundalini. This Athena itself is the primordial Kundalini. Athena - Atha means primal, primordial. They don’t know, Greeks don’t know, because they don’t know Sanskrit. But Atha means primal, primordial, and Athens comes from that Athena. And She has that snake in Her hand, She is the primordial Kundalini and She came out of the head of Zeus who is a Vishnu. So you can imagine how it was all connected in the ancient times and how the whole thing got dislocated. But this also does not give us any scientific proof whether it is there or not. But I am just giving you the idea that it is not only in India people knew about it, but all over the places people knew about this power that existed within us. And this power is the power that we can call is the power of desire to be one, to be united with the Self, with the Divine. And this power is not yet manifested and that’s why it’s called it is sleeping. Because this desire is not yet manifested, that’s why people say that this is a sleeping power within us. Now scientifically you can see. Scientifically you can see that this bone pulsates when the Kundalini awakens. You can see with your naked eye. Not in all people, in some people where the path is all right it just shoots off. But in people there’s obstructions you can see very clearly, very clearly, thousands of them we have seen and people have seen, this Kundalini pulsates. And if you have a stethoscope you can feel the throbbing in that bone. And if you follow it up how it rises, you can feel the throbbing coming up to the head. And when it comes to the head it breaks that bone in the sense that it becomes a soft bone and you get your baptism. That is the real baptism. Whatever was unreal was accepted so much everywhere that naturally it is now challenged. I do not want to defend all that. People talked of baptism, they used to have baptism, regular baptism. But that’s all artificial you can see that the Kundalini doesn’t rise, it doesn’t break here. In India we have a system of calling somebody a Brahmin and they are given a thread. And the same ceremony is done by a Brahmin who is not a Brahmin, who is not a realised soul. And that one was done once upon a time was a realised soul, now it is done by somebody who is not a realised soul. So when it is an unreal thing; supposing a son of a Brahmin comes and asks me that, “Mother, how do You say that this is how we become Brahmins?”, I’ll tell him no, you have to become Brahmin by a real happening within you, and is the real seeking that is blessed by this happening. It happens - so far I’ve seen thousands of people. It’s a mass thing. It has to happen in a mass way. If it does not happen in a mass way, then it has no utility. It happens to one person, then people start crucifying, thinking of crucifixion of such a person, or giving poison to such a person, or torturing such a person. In India also, such a good country like India, where people are so spiritually I should say sensitive, there also many saints have been tortured. The reason is [that] people have not got the sensitivity to understand that they are really saints. So a big gap was there. And today I say the blossom time has come, and many people have to have this realisation and they have to feel their own Self and the all-pervading power. The time has come, it’s a blossom time. And everybody has to feel it, this is the power which is all-pervading, it’s the divine power of God’s love. He created this universe because He loved us, there is no other reason because He’s complete, He’s perfect, He’s fully satisfied with Himself. But He just created because He loved and He wants as a gracious Father, as a Father who is extremely generous and loving, to give His kingdom to us, to invite us into His kingdom and give us all His powers, so that you know Him in your awareness. As a result of this, what happens to you is that you become, again I say you become, not that what I say is just a brainwash, but you become collectively conscious, you become, you start feeling. Like he said you don’t have to tell that you are brothers and sisters. What happens really that you start feeling the power flowing through you, and then you placed your hands towards somebody, and immediately you know where he is catching. These are the different centres within us, these five, one, two, three, four, five, six and seven centres. And you see them on the left, and the right hand, these centres very clearly. The left side as shown here, which is the left-sided, which comes from the right side to the left side, is the power of desire, is the power that manifests our subconscious, is the power which looks after our past we can say, conditioning, and is our emotional power. When we work emotionally, this starts emitting its own manifestation. And the right sided one, the one we call right sided, actually comes from the left side and goes down, is the one, is the power of physical work and mental work, of action. And when these two go into action, the first one creates a pouch-like thing called as superego, and the another one creates another pouch or another balloon like ego. And that’s how these two things develop. And at the age of, say, about twelve years we get separated and we develop our I-ness, and we all become different personality. That’s how we have received our freedom to grow. Now we grow within that egg-like structure of ours, we develop in that structure till we are matured enough. Suddenly you find that this Kundalini rises, breaks this point just like the egg shells or you can say like a caterpillar, the transmutation and transformation both take place, and you become a butterfly or a bird. You are a different person altogether. This has to happen; we have to find our meaning, because this creation that God has created with such love will be all wasted, it will have no meaning. It is He who has become so gracious, it is He who wants you to get these powers, that it is all working. At this level how can you think of paying for it? Just think of it. How can you pay for God’s love? He doesn’t understand money. How can you pay for it? It is impossible; it’s absurd, it is insulting. It shows we have no knowledge as to how God should be. He loves you. How much did you pay for getting your breathing mechanism? Or how can you read about it? What do we read when we have to breathe? If by reading if you start breathing what would happen to us? Just think of it. It’s so spontaneous. God has given us so much but we take it all for granted. And we don’t understand His value. In the same way this realisation which is the vital thing has to come to us absolutely free and spontaneously. Spontaneously, because it’s a living process and everything that is living is spontaneous. You cannot pay for it, you cannot say ‘at this time’ , you cannot guide it. It works by itself. The only difference between the other evolutions and this evolution is this; that in that evolution you did not know, you were not aware of your evolution, but in this one you will be. You will be know that you are transformed. You will know that it is flowing through you. In your conscious mind you will have the Spirit manifesting. The Spirit about which you have heard will be manifesting in your conscious mind. So far it was just a witness of all your doings, but now it is a part and parcel of your being in the sense that you become the Spirit. Again I say you become. I cannot say, oh, now you are all realised souls, no, it’s not possible. One enlightened light can enlighten another light; it’s so simple as that. You are all ready, you are all say lights, and just because I was enlightened when I was born I can enlighten you. When Bala said about power, I thought I must be some sort of a dynamite or something. It’s a power of love. Can we understand power of love? It has all the powers in it and it is more powerful than any other power. So far human beings have never used it, what they have used is the power of hatred. They have never used the power of love which is the most effective, beautiful, delicate power. It’s so dynamic because it is all-pervading. You have to jump into that awareness to be that. But when the Kundalini rises this way, the first thing that happens, the first thing that happens to you is that physically you get cured. But I hope you don’t collect all the sick people tomorrow. When Kundalini is awakened, then you get physically absolutely cleansed. It’s a cleansing process, and that’s how you will be happy to know that cancer can be cured. Cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga, I’ve been saying that. Now people when they get cancer they come to me, even doctors and very highly placed people. But when they go and tell people that we got cured with Sahaja Yoga, nobody believes them; they think this man is mad. So many diseases can be cured by Kundalini awakening. Like I would say, now supposing I have to come to this room, you have got it decorated, clean. If God is to be established in your heart then the body has to be cleansed. So as a grace this mother your Kundalini, which is your individual Kundalini, she just cleanses your body. In one shot, overnight, so many people got cured (24.08). Then your addictions and habits which come to you through your conditionings and domination of the matter on you drops out. So many people overnight forgot to smoke, they just forgot they had to smoke. They were surprised after three days they realised that they have to smoke. We have people who were really like druggists and chemists, you see, they had storehouses of drugs within them; and this they did because they were seeking, you see, nothing wrong with them. They got completely cured. Because when you get the absolute, all these relative things fall off. Then your mental problems also get corrected. Here I would like to give a note on so many false gurus who have come to this country. So many false gurus have come, and there are many who are now prospering in England as well as in America and everywhere. And people are so much enamoured by these false gurus. And they have been really paying such a lot of money to these gurus that I cannot understand that though they are mesmerised, how could they be so much befooled? And now, after befooling, they do not want to believe it. They came and told me, “Mother, our guru doesn’t talk ill of anyone”. I said, “The satan is not going to talk against [the] satans, is he?”. Now the after effects of these gurus is so horrifying. In this hall only last time I had about I think eight or ten people who were just jumping on the seat, in a horrible condition just like mad people - today they are normal people - all suffering from epilepsy. They have become bankrupt, they have sold their houses, their children are on the streets, they are divorced, they are sick, they have got blood cancer. Still they are madly in love with their gurus! This kind of mass hypnosis was to work. Has been already indicated that false gurus will be coming. Now how do you make out a false guru? First of all anybody who takes money from you for his living cannot be a real person. He must live with his own earnings. If he is a poor man, like Christ was, He lived like a carpenter’s son. Why these gurus take money from you? They have never seen a, even a motorbike, they want to buy Rolls Royces. Throw them in the sea. There is another one who has got 5, 6 keeps and has got three, four landing spaces. And you think he is a guru. You are so impressed by their badly earned, illegally earned money. Then what can God do also about it? How can you be impressed by such people who lead such a horrible life? Immoral people are we also so much in the game! Very immoral, extremely immoral. They teach you dirty things. Especially in the West, I can’t understand when you had a person like Christ who was purity, nothing but purity. He said, “You talk of adultery, I say that thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. From there to what are you going? They may be Indians or anything. They are a curse on this earth and such people are followed. Now I can tell you any one of them, those people who were jumping here, were the teachers. And they told me that when they held a meeting in Birmingham there were three thousand people. These people who were suffering from epilepsy. Why? Because all the media was after them, they paid the medias. And that’s how they were there. This is a very big problem, you see, the money begets money. But you cannot get God with money. It’s a very funny vicious circle. Please understand. And it’s the greatest destruction for human beings. Because these are the most beautiful flowers of God which are not paid attention to. And these people went to the police, and told them about it, nobody’s willing to listen to them. You’ll be amazed. There was a diamond merchant who is now on the street begging. Can you imagine these things have happened, and nobody is bothered about them. And they are saints; they are born to seek God. Have some understanding. And this is what is happening. I am so very sad to see that people who are so beautiful in the eyes of God are tortured by these. And now even in England and France and everywhere I find people have taken a good hint from them and they have also floated big enterprises. In the name of God. In the name of God you cannot take a single pie. It’s sin. You remember Christ had taken a hunter in his hand and started hitting all the people who were selling in front of the church. They were not even selling God, but in front of the church they were having, He could not bear that insult. And these are selling God and selling realisation and selling these precious things. My heart weeps actually to see these beautiful people are being tortured from one guru to another. They are seekers. In Birmingham I met a man; I asked him how many gurus you have been? All his money, all his earnings he gave to gurus. And he gave me a list of people which was written in three pages and both the sides covered. Can you imagine this gentleman? And he had all kinds of problems that you could think of. Everything, everybody, every part of his body was paining, he had this trouble, that trouble, this problem, that problem. There was no problem on the earth that he did not have. Who is going to pay for all this? I feel that people do not want to accept the truth sometimes. There are seekers, they get so fed up and so tired that they think Mother is another guru. I’m not a guru, I’m a mother. Guru is a very difficult task. I mean the real guru is a very difficult, is a very hard taskmaster, I tell you. I’m just a mother but Mother is the guru of gurus because She knows how to handle Her children. They are very difficult people. Any guru if you want to meet who is a real guru, it’s not easy. Half of your flesh will be finished before you see him. But the time has come that all of you must get it. With all self-respect, with all your glory, with all your freedom you have to get it. You are honoured by God, you are respected by God. And that’s why whatever has happened has happened; now forget about it, better get your realisation. And then all understand all the knowledge of your centres which are within you. Everything about yourself, and about others and how you feel. (34.32) Now, if there are say two children who are realised, you call them out and tie their eyes, is a very simple test, and ask them to feel the vibrations of another person. And immediately they’ll say this finger is catching. Means this man has got throat trouble. All of them. There was a lady from Observer. She came to see me, she got her realisation. She’s very intellectual. But she was so surprised at her realisation. She said, “Mother, I must jump to it and write it”. I said, “No, no, please settle down, you must establish yourself”. She said, “No, no, I can’t help it, I must tell because I am a seeker and I know how people have suffered”. So she went on, but afterwards, I think she was a little surprised how could she get realisation. She had (33.54) no faith in herself left, poor thing, perhaps. So, one of the sahaja yogis said, “All right, call the children”. And she called the children. And the children started feeling the wind even from my photograph. And they said, “Oh Mother, wind, wind is coming, such a lot of wind is coming!”. And that’s how she was convinced. You all are invited to it, believe me, you are invited. And have it, with all grace and beauty you all should have it. You have suffered too much. Now it’s time for all of you to get it, isn’t it? But believe in yourself. Why do you think that you cannot have it? And the greatest disease of the West is that they all think they are very guilty. I mean, this disease must get out. If you think you are guilty, you cannot get your realisation. What are you guilty for? What have you done? What guilt do you have I just can’t understand, it’s imaginary! All the time you are guilty for this, you are guilty for that, any small thing. If you have not said “thank you” hundred times in day, one day, you feel guilty. I mean there’s no need to say so many thank you’s, also. And to think that you have done mistakes all your life this is mistake, that you have done mistake, you should be like this, your face should be like this, your hair should be like this, you should walk like this, you must have a dress like this. If you put your knife this side to that side what does it matter in the eyes of God? It’s not important. And to think all the time that you are guilty creates a problem here. You must have many people saying that I’ve got pain in the neck. Know that he’s feeling guilty for nothing at all. For such people there’s a very simple mantra to say: “Mother, I am not guilty”. Simple. Thrice you say and your neck will be all right. Is a very simple mantra to say, “Mother, I am not guilty”. I am talking here about the ocean of love, the ocean of forgiveness. And what are these specks you have collected, imaginary ones? This I discovered after coming to England that people feel guilty and then others also I have seen. But in India there are very few people who really feel I tell you, they never feel guilty I think (Shri Mataji laughs). They have the other problem, right side, but not the left side. I mean, they are feeling guilty… (Shri Mataji laughs). I mean, I don’t think we have so much time to sit down and think that we are guilty, we are so busy, you see, perhaps in that country. But this was my experience. And with that little thing you got your realisation. Can you imagine? (36.45) So there should be no self-pity, there should not be any unhappiness about it. But it’s just a play, it’s so simple, it is not frivolous, it is very deep working. But just a play, like you come in the room you ask me how to put the light on, there’s a switch you put it on. But behind that is a big organisation. In the same way the Kundalini awakening, though it’s a play, behind that is a big organisation. And you need not take all the responsibility of world (38.38) all upon yourself. God is doing everything. Actually you are doing nothing. What do we do? Tell me. At the most, if a tree dies, we make a chair out of it. That’s all. And the chair sits on our head, we can’t sit on the ground then, once we make the chair. That’s all we do. We cannot transform one flower into a fruit, can we? Not even one. The One who does billions and billions of these every moment, where are we compared to Him? To think that we are doing something, and that we are guilty for it, is all absurd. Now I have to say one thing, that in one day’s lecture it’s not possible to cover all the points, all the centres and everything. But we have got certain booklets, something you can go through that. We have a big book also here available for those who want to read. But I would say don’t read too much, already you are over-read people. So it’s better not to read anymore. It’s better to experience and develop the experience, and grow more, and then you start reading. And we have a centre here, [in] Birmingham, which is doing very well now. You can meet those people, they - some of them only got realisation about a year back, and you will find they are scholars. When I went to America the journalist asked me, “Mother, all your disciples are they scholars?” I said, “No, they are not. What makes you think that?” He said, “They are all scholars, they know such a lot”. So once you reach that sap of life, through that you get the complete knowledge. You become the knowledge. Knowledge is the first thing you get. First you get the knowledge. That is also a knowledge which is your own, in the sense you feel hot, cold. Now anybody who feels hot need not be an educated man or a scholar. He feels hot. Anybody who puts a finger to the thing feels hot. It’s like that, you feel. So first you get the knowledge about it, and then you get the joy out of it. So I have to tell you one thing, that though it sounds very fantastic, it is not, it is absolutely simple. And this should happen. I would like to have some questions from you about it, and then we’ll see how it works out. All right? And not to be afraid, there’s nothing to have any fear about Kundalini. Because you must have read such big, big books saying that Kundalini burns you, Kundalini does this. No, she is your own mother. She doesn’t do anything of the kind. These are the people who have never known what Kundalini is. It’s like somebody putting the fingers into the plug and saying that electricity burns you. They are unauthorised people who have done all this, and that’s how they have suffered. Good way. So any questions please? Can’t think; if the Kundalini rises above this, you become thoughtless, you just can’t think. And when she gets out from here, you start feeling the cool breeze from your head. Really a cool breeze you feel it and from your fingers. As simple as that. You are still doubting something. Ask a question. (42.59) Lady: Do you need to seek the power before you pray? Shri Mataji: Can’t hear. Loudly. Lady: Do you need to seek the power… Shri Mataji: Just come. Come, come, come here. Come. Yes, yes. Yes. Lady: Do you need to seek the power within before you just pray? Shri Mataji: Eh? Lady: To pray, do you need to seek the power within, to release the power before you pray? Because it’s very difficult to pray… Shri Mataji: To pray. All right. All right. May God bless you. Sit down. I’ll tell you. She is saying that, have you to pray to Kundalini? No, nothing, nothing, you don’t have to do. You see, prayer before realisation has no meaning, it’s like telephoning without connection (laughter). There’s nothing to pray, nothing to pray, nothing to pray. Another lady: Can you get the Kundalini, or something like it, and then it can die? Or once you’ve got it… (inaudible words). Shri Mataji: Can you come here? Lady: Pardon? Shri Mataji: Come, come here, tell me. So. Man: Now I think everybody has got a question to ask, but it’s - they don’t know how to ask the question. Shri Mataji: They don’t know? Man: I think everybody has got a question to ask, but they just don’t know how to… Shri Mataji: What? Know what? They don’t know what? Man: Everybody has got a question to ask You, everybody knows that, but they don’t know how to ask You. Shri Mataji: They don’t want to? Man: They don’t know how to ask You. [Shri Mataji laughs] Man: A lot of people just don’t know how to ask questions. You know what I mean? Shri Mataji: They what, what questions? Ask now, what is there? What is you don’t know? I know English at least, so ask me any question in English. All right? Now, what did you say? Lady: Can you get the Kundalini, and then it can die? Shri Mataji: And then? Lady: Then it can die? Or once you’ve got it, have you always got it? (45.06) Shri Mataji: Oh, now, very good question. Alright. That’s a good question. Sit down. That’s a good one. Yes, sit down, sit down, sit down. She asked me a question, if it is awakened can it die out? It doesn’t. Once it is awakened it goes up, opens out. But, but it’s there. At the first shot, you see, it goes really in a big way, you get it in a really big way. You remember it. But then it goes back and looks after other parts where there’s a problem, so the force is reduced. But then you have to learn how to keep the force there and how to raise it, and this is what is called as vidya, is called as the knowledge. How to raise the Kundalini ... [Audio interruption] ... What is all this about? So that part you have to know. I am here to decode it. Somebody came and told me, “Mother, I feel here tickling, all the time tickling”. I said, “This centre is not all right, you have to open this centre”. Now how to open this centre? Then I had to tell that person you have to do this very simple method. You see, certain movements, because it is flowing from your hands, certain movements how to do it, which are the deities on different centres, if you come to know about it - for example, this centre is the centre of Christ. Between the optic chiasm is placed a very subtle centre of Christ. In the Indian scriptures He is called as Maha Vishnu. Now He was born on this earth to suck the ego and superego. His crucifixion was there to suck our sins, means the ego and the superego. But He is to be awakened. Unless and until He is awakened it cannot happen - you go to church or you pray to Him - nothing will happen. But if Kundalini goes and stops there, and if you say Lord’s Prayer, it will rise. Is the proof that it is Christ’s centre. Now this very important point that He should be awakened, that Christ was for this, was never known to Christians. It’s a living process. He said, “I am a living God”. And when they went to India the way they talked about Christianity was something absurd. So Hindus still believe that this One who has to redeem us has to come. They don’t know that He is already born and crucified and He is the one. He is Maha Vishnu who is described in Devi Mahatmyam very, very clearly. He was specially made. Who was His father; who was His mother, all described. But the people who know English have no rapport with our ancient scriptures and those who went from here have no rapport with Christ. That He is to be awakened within us. He said, “I am to be born”. And how to awaken it nobody knew - only through Kundalini you can do it. He said, it’s said in the Bible: “I’ll appear before you like tongues of flames”. Now what are these tongues of flames? Go and ask these people. These Jews do they know? Mohammed has very clearly said that you are to become a pir; you have to be born again. I mean namaz is one of the very good ways of raising the Kundalini, if you are using the Sahaja Yoga method. Means you get your realisation and then you do namaz, you’ll be amazed. Everything has a meaning only when it is a living thing. Otherwise it’s dummy. Everything is a dummy stuff, you see, like this is a dummy thing. I shout at it or do whatever you like, it’s not going to work. That’s why everything is a dummy, and that’s why people say, “Oh, Christianity is wrong”. If you go to the Muslims, they will say the Jews are wrong. The Jews will say the Muslims are wrong, the Hindus are wrong. I mean they are all blaming each other. If you have to learn about yourself better go to the other party. But they are all dummies. Once you get realised you will know they are all connected with each other, absolutely one, there’s complete harmony and concord. Christ Himself has said, Those who are not against Me are with Me”. Now go and ask these priests who are those who are not against Him; who are with Him. I mean, He was not even given sufficient time, only for four years He could talk and He was killed. Everywhere they have done a nice pickling up of all these great people. But Sahaja Yoga completely exposes their advents, their purpose, their places within us and also establishes all the fundamental things that are described in all the scriptures and their co-relationships (50.30). It’s such a fantastic thing. How it establishes? By proving it. I’ll tell you one example, a simple example. There was a gentleman from Iran, he was a doctor, he came to see me. I mean, it is now we cannot contact him because he’s in Iran. But he came to see me, he was a Muslim. And I told him that Mohammed Sahib was born as Nanak Sahib in India. He could not believe it. He said how can it be? Though Nanak Sahib had said it in a way, because Nanak Sahib was sleeping and somebody told Him that, ”You are placing your feet towards Mecca”. He said, All right, I’ll turn my feet to other side”, and the Mecca came that side. He said, “I can’t believe it, I can’t believe it”. I said, “But Mohammed Sahib has said that He is the last”. I said, ”I’m not sure of that, but maybe He must have decided to come back the way people are”. He could not believe it. And he had stomach cancer, which is caused by - one of the reasons is fanaticism. I told him, “You have to believe in Him. He was one of the incarnations of the Primordial Master and He was the same Abraham, was the same Moses, was the same Socrates, was the same, and you have to believe it”. He said, “I can’t believe it”. I said, “Then I can’t cure you”. Then he went back and he was very sick. His wife said, “Now what is there after all, you see, we became Muslims because our parents were Muslims, and they told us that Mohammed Sahib was the last. After all you are to be saved”. Then he came and he said, “All right, Mother, whatever you say I’m going to say”. I said, “Now you pray to Nanak Sahib instead of praying to Mohammed Sahib, because it is Mohammed Sahib who is angry with you”. And he got cured; he’s still living. He got cured. It’s so simple. You can’t believe it; it is so fantastic. It is worth seeing yourself with your own eyes. The other day only, in Scotland, there was a gentleman who was suffering from terrible, terrible arthritis. He got completely cured and he came to see me in Edinburgh. Arthritis is absolutely curable; Diabetes is absolutely curable; paralysis is absolutely curable. These all come out of your imbalances. If you want to treat a tree and if you just treat a flower or a leaf you cannot treat the tree. You have to go through the sap. Sahaja Yoga is a system by which you go through the sap of a personality and treat the whole body as a whole. Because the whole is the one which is to be looked after and not a part of it, because you are a part of the whole. And once you get connected with the whole, that whole, that primordial Being looks after you. And this is what has exactly happened to us that we are all separated from the whole, and we have to become one with that, with all our awareness and understanding; so that that whole looks after us. So coming back to your question about Kundalini that it falls off, is a true thing with some people, it does go down. But all the forces that are divine are looking after you. You have to little bit cooperate with your Kundalini and she comes up, she makes you beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Now, any more questions? Man: Could you explain what exactly you have to do, to…? Shri Mataji: That’s the exact point. You don’t have to do anything. You see, I have to do something about it, not you. In the beginning; then you can do it. Like this light is here, all right? This is enlightened. Now there’s another candle, which is not enlightened. that candle has to stay straight. Just keep the wick out, that’s all. And this candle has to just go near that and that gets enlightened. I mean, I’m not doing anything about it, that also I must say, because sometimes the ego gets challenged; you know, somebody says, “Why, Mother, you?” I said, “You better do it. I’ll be very happy to be replaced. If you can come and do it, nothing like it. You see it will be such a change”. (Laughter) But what can I do? I have to do it. Otherwise I’m a happily married woman; I have my children, grandchildren, everyone there, I have no problems. But I see your problem, and I see that Spirit in you, and I just feel in all my love and compassion that you must know it; that’s all. And once you know it, you can do it yourself. Like one light can enlighten many. Isn’t it? It’s as simple. You become that. You don’t have to do anything about it; you have to just put your fingers like this and the power flows into you. It’s that simple. You won’t believe, but it is so. Because you are ready. You are just ready to be enlightened. Now this instrument is made, if it is not put to the mains what’s the use? But how do you put to the mains? Just put to the mains, that’s all. The mains are there, and this is ready, you just put to the mains, you are just there. Like a television set to a villager if you tell, he won’t believe that it is so fantastic. That there are all things around you; he will say, “I can’t see anything, how can I believe it?” And you put to the mains and you start seeing the television manifesting, which is so fantastic. In the same way, you are a special instrument created by God. You are just put to the mains. You don’t have to do anything. What did you do for your evolution? When we became human beings from a monkey, what did we do? Nothing, we did not cut our tail or anything, it just dropped off. (Laughter) In the same way, we don’t do anything for this also; it’s just there; you are just ready; you just get it like that. You don’t know how fantastic you are. You don’t know that, na? I know that. But you will also know very soon (Shri Mataji laughs). When you know you will be amazed how fantastic you are within. It’s said always, all the scriptures, all the great people have described you as very great. All of them have described. But you must have faith in yourself that you are great, no doubt. And that instrument is ready, just ready. It is to be applied to the mains and once you start manifesting you can give it to others. It’s that simple. You can’t believe it I know, but it is so, you will see that very soon. Do not doubt it too much, all right? Otherwise this brain will be working, “khat khat khat khat khat khat”. That’s why I said for a while you should stop thinking about it, then it should work out. Because I’ve seen people who go on doubting very much, you see, they take time. Just open, open out yourself, you must open yourself fully and it should work out (57.21). After all you want to have your realisation, isn’t it? What else you want? You don’t want to doubt for doubting sake! What’s the use of doubting also? I mean, if there is, supposing I say there’s a diamond here. You will all run. Not only you but people from Australia will come if I say it is free, available. Don’t you think so? They will say worth going by plane, if there’s such a big diamond available. So no use doubting. Just have it. You have a diamond in your heart. No doubt. It will spark. Do not doubt. This mind has been doubting all the time, what has it given you? Nothing. It will give you problems and headaches. Don’t be doubting Thomas’s (Shri Mataji laughs); be trusting. Lady: Do you find people’s problems stop them getting realisation? Shri Mataji: Come here; come. Yes? Lady: Do you find people’s problems stop them getting realisation? Shri Mataji: Do you find people’s problems…? Lady: … stop them getting realisation? … Shri Mataji: Problems - it stops a little, sometimes, little bit. But I have known all the permutations, combinations now. So I can get over all the problems; I think so. All right? [Lady: “Yes”] I know many permutations and combinations now of problems (Shri Mataji laughs). In the beginning you’ll be amazed in this England I came here when my husband got elected to this job. For four years I worked on six people, for four years, can you imagine? And now they just get it like that. Now I know all the permutations, combinations of English people and England and western people. Now I’m going to America and I’ve been there before also; so keep your fingers crossed; I’m sure I’ll work it out there also. (Shri Mataji laughs) Everybody is an interesting sample of some combination. But I know all the keys somehow; I’ve studied it and I’ve put all attention to it. It has worked out and all these problems I know what you all have. Somehow it works out, so don’t you worry about that. If there were no problems, there was no need to do this. I mean, you would be just there. There has to be problems. Any other problem? (Shri Mataji laughs) Man: Excuse me, please. We’ve got seven chakras over there; can you please tell us what part each one plays? Shri Mataji: Alright. See, that’s good. Now all that is so elaborate I may not be able to tell you today; but can you come and show? But I will be able to say in short, all right? Now he is coming; he will show you. I’m just… Now the first chakra which is below the Kundalini, the first one, is the very important centre, which is bestowed by a deity, which is the embodiment of innocence. Is the centre of innocence, the first chakra. To explain it more we can say when we were at the carbon stage, carbon stage. Now carbon is a very important element, you know that. In the periodical laws it is placed in the centre; it is tetravalent, means it has four hands. Either it can give four hands or take four hands. And at that stage only the nature started producing life. So that is the stage where we were at carbon level. And nature is innocent. A chair doesn’t get angry with you. It’s only we can get angry (Shri Mataji laughs). So the nature that we are, is innocent, our basis is innocence. We are surrounded first by innocence. We are basically innocent people. So this is the first centre, is of innocence. Then the second centre that you see. Actually the Nabhi we can take it. Is the second centre and the third centre are connected. From the second centre arises the third centre. The second centre is the centre of our seeking. This one manifests our solar plexus. And this caters to our seeking. As amoeba we were seeking our food through our stomach; it is in the stomach we can say. Actually they are all placed in the medulla oblongata; they are placed in the spinal cord. But they manifest outside the plexuses. For example, the first one manifests the plexus called as pelvic plexus, which is responsible for our excretory functions. All right? Now the second one, which is the one I told you just now, manifests the solar plexus, is for our seeking. And now you are at a stage, the seekers, where you are seeking the ultimate, the beyond. But there are people who are still seeking money, there are people who are still seeking other things. But I take it for granted that you are seeking Divine. So the seeking reaches that stage (1.03.08) at that centre. The other centre that comes out of it is the centre of action. The seeking has to put into action, otherwise supposing you are hungry you have to go into action to get it. So this is the centre of action within us, which works within us all the activities for the future, it thinks and all the activities that we require for our mental or our physical needs. So this is a centre of the Creator. The above centre [to] that is the centre which is the centre of Heart as we call it. Is the centre which represents your sense of security. When the child is about twelve years of age, this centre creates antibodies in your sternum bone and these antibodies by the time the child is twelve years of age go into the whole body. And they are the ones who react to any invasion on the body. And these antibodies react; say for example, all our injection system works on that. We put a little virus, which is an outsider invader inside the body and when you put that, they get energetic to fight. And because of their energies they fight the disease and we get cured. This is the principle of that is. This is the centre of our sense of security. When we are insecure, then this centre starts pulsating and emitting more antibodies and looking after us. And this is a very important centre within us. But there are other two other centres on sides of it; one is of the mother, one of the father; on both sides. I mean they have sub-centres also. Now this one can be called as the one which manifests cardiac plexus. Then above that is the centre which is behind here, is the centre of our collectivity. Is the centre where we become one with the whole. Is the centre which gives us the idea that we are one. By this centre we become also the witness of the play of the Divine, later on when it is enlightened. It is a very important centre by which we talk to others, we communicate to others on the right hand side. On the left hand side emotionally we become attached to people. Then above that is the centre, as I told you, of Christ, or we can say the centre of ascent. There is the door, which goes into this area of limbic area, which is grossly known as limbic area, which is the kingdom of God. And above is the last one here where this point. The whole thing is one centre, the limbic area and this point. When the ego and superego are sucked in, the Kundalini rushes through, and this fontanel bone area becomes very soft and you start getting the cool breeze from that part. Now in short I’ve told you, but in details you can go through the book, it’s all written down about these centres which are the basic seven centres but there are many other centres, which are sub plexuses of these. Amazingly there’s one thing that all these centres are manifesting the plexuses outside and all these plexuses. For example here, the plexus is the one that looks after the pituitary and the pineal, these two things. So it is related absolutely with the gross as well but we go from inside outward, while the doctors go from outward inside. Which you cannot go, you cannot enter into a tree through a leaf, you can enter only through the sap into it. These are in short I have told you. But there are all these things are clearly written down in a book that they will give you. They have got it. Have you got that book? [Yogi: “Yes, Mother”] You can get. It’s a very small booklet. Do you charge any money for that? No? It’s free? You charge a little. How much? Yogi: Ten p’s or something. Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogi 2: Ten p’s or something. Shri Mataji: Ten p’s or something they charge. You see because maybe, so far all these boys have been printing it and paying for it, for the whole also. I mean, this thing requires money no doubt, but these boys have been doing it. And it’s all right, not much, you see. Birmingham is a cheap place that way, I must say, compared to some places I went to. Also everybody is trying to fund it so that, I mean, there is no sort of any profit basis or anything. But like ashram we have got, we have got say ten people, they take a house, they live there, look after it and that’s an ashram. There’s no sort of a profit making or any fees or anything. Because they live there, they have a house, they live there, that’s all. It’s as simple as that. We do not have any such organisation; there is nobody who is organised in it. You cannot organise God. So there’s no organisation, they are there because of their free will, because of their freedom and because of their love, and because they feel responsible that they should do it. There’s no force on you; there’s no compulsion; there’s no money taking; there’s no membership. Man: Is it also possible, please, for any of those centres to awaken without the knowledge of the individual? Shri Mataji: You see, sometimes it happens that a person can be attacked from the sides and then that centre can go on emitting too much. Like in cancer it happens. That one of the centres you see, say for instance the stomach. Now, if you are eating, say, something which is irritating the stomach centre, then what happens that this centre receives all the energies from everywhere, all the stored up energy, and starts working very hard. When it starts working very hard, it gets dislocated. When it gets dislocated, what happens that there is no relationship left with the whole, and the cells starts growing more than in relation to the whole. And we say malignancy has been set in. And like that can happen, they can get over-excited. But the energy from other centres is brought in one, and they get over-excited without any relationship to the whole. And that’s a very dangerous situation. Such a thing can happen and sometimes it can happen on certain centres where people just get possessed. And they think they have got some sort of a great experience. Is not so. Like there was a lady who always felt that she’s getting out of her body. Ultimately she got her cancer. Now, of course, she is cured, she’s all right. But these all such experiences come from the left and the right side. Not from the superior. The one experience on the left hand side is of the collective subconscious, because on the left hand side of this channel that you see is the collective subconscious. Now, we do not know, because these are unknown areas for us; the collective subconscious on this area and [the] collective supraconscious on this area. Now, for example, spiritualists they work from the collective subconscious; it’s a very dangerous thing to do. We have nothing to do with spirits, nothing to do with them. We are in the centre and the present. If you indulge into spiritualism, you’ll find you’ll develop a very funny situation and I don’t know how they end it up. Apart from mental trouble, you’ll be amazed, I mean, I’m amazed at it myself, that all the cancer patients I’ve seen so far are all attacked from the left side, not from the right side. Those who are attacked from the right side, is the supraconscious, the collective supraconscious, are the people like Hitler. Who get possessed by very, you can say, very, very dominating personalities who are dead, or those who lived in the future, are the great planners, this, that, they get attacked. And once they get attacked there’s an outlet. (1.10.34) For example we can say Hitler was like a medium. And he transformed other people into that kind of a frantic temperament. I mean, it took him eleven years to build up that kind of a domain of Satans, you see, but it took eleven years. And I would blame then the people who allowed this to grow. And once this grew up and suddenly it blew up them, then they realised; oh God where are we? So these attacks can come from these two areas - they are called as adi bhautik and adi daivik in Sanskrit language. But this is, is the Spirit; is the Atmik; is the superior; is the super-most experience where you become the Spirit itself - your Spirit, not somebody else’s. All these experiences are not healthy; they should be avoided for all those who are seeking reality. I mean, if you want to have some jugglery, then it’s a different thing, but it is a very dangerous thing to play with it. All these gurus are using only this, either left or the right side. They use these spirits and that’s how [they] mesmerise. That’s a very dangerous state. The other day - Sahaja Yoga has become so powerful now that they, these people gave realisation to an archbishop of black magic. Can you imagine? I was amazed. And this fellow was quite all right, then he went home and he found everything was moving around. These, all the things that were there, were moving around. Now the spirits were tempting him back. They thought if we show some sort of this jugglery he will be back again. And they telephoned to me, “Mother, now what to do?”. I said, “Why did you give him realisation? There was no need to give him realisation”. He said, “Just he came and he got it”. I said, “Leave him alone, I’ll look after him, you don’t worry”. It happens now. This Sahaja Yoga is so great. imagine giving realisation to the archbishop of black magic. I mean, this is too much (laughter). But it’s doing, it’s happening (Shri Mataji laughs). Man: May I say by the way that I can see a white aura around your head for the last hour. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s true (Man: “Yes”), but I would say don’t see that. You’ll see many things, because I’m something more; there’s no doubt. Quite a lot I am. That you have to discover later. You can see many things. But I would say don’t see anything, because this also seeing is not the thing - is experiencing is the thing. And that’s why you must experience your being. And people have seen me in many forms, many things. That’s not important. That’s not important. Important is that you must get your realisation. I must be something, isn’t it, to do it? No doubt. There must be something about me. But I don’t want to talk about it just now. I’m very tactful; you better find out. Lady: Why is peace and tranquillity adjusted on your face? Shri Mataji: On my face? (Lady: “Yes…”) (Shri Mataji laughs) You are also going to get it. That’s all I can say. It is there, inside. It is all - whatever is inside comes out, isn’t it? You are all peace, tranquillity, everything inside. You are also the same, not only me. You have to just feel it. You will, you will no doubt, you will feel it, no doubt. I assure you. That’s why I’m here; I want you to enjoy that what I am enjoying. That’s all. You see, it’s like a drunkard who cannot enjoy his drink. That’s why I say that I am a capitalist because I have all these powers and I am the greatest communist because I must share. I can’t help it without sharing. So this is such a combination. All right? Lady: Thank you. Shri Mataji: So should we have it now all of us? Because it is within us so why not have it? Will you please put your hands just like this straight, put both the feet straight on the ground just like this. This is just to help your Mother Earth to take away the problems just like that. And close your eyes; just close your eyes, it will work out in no time. Just close your eyes. It’s all right. Now you don’t say anything; just close your eyes and put your hands like this. Now feeling the cool breeze? Already? Now enjoy it. Just close your eyes. Now few things I will tell you which you have to say in your heart. One of them as I told you, say in your heart thrice: “Mother, I am not guilty”. Say it thrice please. Believe in what you are saying that you are really not guilty. In the eyes of God you are not at all guilty. You have no business to judge yourself. Just say, “Mother, I am not guilty”. That is to establish your love for yourself. That “Mother, I am not guilty”; just say that. If there is any shaking in your hands or anything, then keep your eyes open. If there’s a little shaking may be because there is some sort of pressure on your nerves. If there’s a shaking or anything, doesn’t matter, after some time it will go away. Just put your hands towards me or you can throw away the shaking like this, thrice. And it will be nice; you’ll like it, if you feel the shaking. Now first thing you say with your heart: “Mother, I am not guilty”. The second thing, thrice you have to say that. That you have to say is that, “Mother, I forgive everyone”. Just say that. People might say that it is difficult; nothing difficult to say it. Just say, “Mother, I forgive everyone”. Just say that, because by not forgiving actually you are carrying an unnecessary load and harming yourself. You cannot harm others, you are harming yourself. So just say, “Mother, I forgive everyone”. Say it thrice; just say that. These are your main problems. First is feeling guilty, secondly not forgiving others. Go on saying it, “Mother, I forgive everyone”. Now you can put your right hand on your heart. Keep your eyes shut. And ask a question; “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask thrice, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask thrice, you will start getting the cool breeze at this point. If not you just say without feeling guilty, again I say without feeling guilty, you just say, “Forgive me if I have done anything wrong out of my ignorance”. That also you say it thrice. Now ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask thrice, just ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Now put both the hands and see if the cool breeze is coming in the hand. If it is not coming in the right hand, then put the right hand towards me and left on the stomach. Now ask a question saying, “Mother, am I my own teacher? Am I my own Guru?” Those people who have been to wrong gurus will get a problem. You have been to someone? All right, doesn’t matter, we’ll - just see now, you can see the result just now. You can’t even control it. They shake before me. See, if you have been to a wrong person you can just see it, happening to him. All right? Doesn’t matter. Ask him to put his hand outside, he’ll tell you what is to be done. Just go to him, he will do it. Just go to him, he’ll tell you what is to be done. To whom you have been? Man: To spiritualist church. Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: To spiritualist church. Yogi: Spiritualist church. Shri Mataji: Shaking, they shake, these spirits shake. How are you? Have you got it? Have you got it? Have you got the cool breeze? (Lady: “Yes, I have”) Good, good. Have you been to spiritualist church yourself? (Lady: “No…”) Thank God. (Lady: “This is my first time here”) Great, you are really pure. You got it (Lady: “I got it?”) Yes, you got it. What about you? He’s a born realised, no? He didn’t feel it? Now, just see, because he was sitting next to you, now see. Put your hands towards me. He just started shaking, terrible shaking, you should have seen that, how he shook before me. It’s terrible. Have you got it? Yes. Have you got it, my child? Not yet? What about you? Just put your hands like this. You have got cool breeze? (Man: “No”) You should. You are doubting still? You have got sinus trouble, have you? (Man: “I haven’t, no; I’ve had that”) Hm, you had it; all right, we’ll work it out. Doesn’t matter. Will work out; just put your hands like this; it should work out. Mrs. Joshi, you got it? Your face is changed, you know. You’ll look at least ten years younger, all of you. Did your friend get it? Did you get it? (Lady: “No”) Cool breeze? (Lady: “Absolutely nothing”) Nothing? All right, we’ll work it out. For journalist you must ask a question. “Mother, am I the witness of the whole play?” Just ask the question. (Lady: “Am I? I am sorry, I didn’t understand”) Am I the witness, witness of the whole play? You are a witness; you are not involved in it; you see, a journalist has to be a witness, a sakshi. Lady journalist (not clearly audible): Yes, I show what is something that happened. Obviously I wouldn’t declare otherwise, and I am interested in this. Shri Mataji: Yes, just say that. Say in your heart, “Am I the witness of the whole play?” In your heart you can say that. Ask the question. You have to first witness it, then you can report it. What about you? Are you all right? Are you getting the cool breeze? Little bit. It will work out, you watch me without thinking, let’s see it. Ah? Better? Working out (Shri Mataji laughs), [it] works out. It’s like, you see, how on a tree some fruits appear faster than others. It’s like that. Gradually, everybody will get it. Don’t you? Just sit down; comfortably, have confidence. You got it? Have you? Not yet. All right, he’s got right sided. You’ve been to some – you have been reading about something like that? That’s it. Now you ask a question: “Mother, are you the knowledge?” Just ask the question in your heart. And the whole knowledge of this avidya will go away. Ha. Ha, now you got it? Little feeling. It’s very subtle. Reading, you know, spoils it [a] little bit. So just say that, it will work out. See this lady, journalist lady. Who else hasn’t got it? Raise your hands, those who haven’t got it. All right. What? There’s nothing to fear, nothing to this thing. It must be worked out. It has to be worked out, everybody has to get it, you are right. All right? Now sahaja yogis should work on people who haven’t got it. You haven’t got? [End of audio]

8/15/1981

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Shri Krishna Puja: There is a war going on

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Shri Krishna’s Birthday Puja, Bala’s home, Tamworth, Birmingham (UK), 15 August 1981 ... they dictate the information about their attack, how they’re attacking about. Now, we have to know that there is a war on between the satanic forces and the Divine forces. Now you are the people who have chosen to be Divine. But, even if you have chosen that and God has accepted you, and has given you your own powers, still you must know that you are still vulnerable, very much, to the attack of the negativity upon you. Now always, one has to remember that Divine will win in any case: there is no doubt about it. Supposing you fail the Divine, you will be the losers, not the Divine. If you all fail the Divine then you will be destroyed as negatives so, in the ultimate destruction, Divine will finish off all that is satanic, there is no doubt about it. But how many people are going to be destroyed, is the point. So you all have to be very much alert that you are to be saved and you are not going to be one of those who are destroyed. The more we save, the better will be our enjoyment; the more people we save, there will be a greater power flowing and the effect of that impact will be such that we might ourselves able to be rid all that is satanic and a very little will be left which will be destroyed. So the responsibility on the Sahaja Yogis is to understand that there is a war going on. Now, this war is within and without: first basic thing: within and without. First we must see the within war. The within war is this that we are the Spirit – or not, very basically: we are the Spirit or we are not the Spirit. If we are the Spirit, that means we are not Ego, we are not Superego and we are not this body, this mind or anything but we are the Spirit, which is perfect. So all the imperfections that come within us are our own, and we are responsible for the imperfections, because whatever God does is perfect. And when we see that there are imperfections – I mean, that is also a very big ‘if’: “if we see”, because that seeing is also not possible for many people: they are so blinded by their ego, they cannot see it, they are not aware of it. Or some are so blinded by their possessions and superego, they cannot see it. If you tell them that, “You have a superego”, they get double ego-d; if you tell them “You have an ego”, they get superego-d, because they are still identified with them. So, to be able to see first of all is the first step but, if you see – if, absolutely a big ‘if’ – see that you are not perfect, that you are not to justify your imperfections, that you are not your imperfections, but you are your ‘perfect being’; you are actually, but just now you are not. So the movement is very, very slippery, in the beginning. So, one by one, you must put your foot steadily as a climber on a snowy mountain does: first step should be that, “Can we see our imperfections?” Not others’; first of all not to see others’ is the first principle of Sahaja Yoga. First principle of Sahaja Yoga is not to see others’ imperfections. What is the gain? I mean, I just can’t understand this, you know, because I am very differently made; I can’t understand, what’s the use of seeing imperfections of others? I mean, you cannot correct it, you cannot do anything about it; by seeing them, you do not improve, by seeing their ... you cannot improve collectivity. So there is no sense in seeing others’ imperfections. Now, first of all see your own problems, your own angularity, your own misidentifications and imperfections. When you start seeing them, then the first thing you will do, best way to avoid everything – I mean, avoidance is a very great character of human beings, but in a subtle way it is insincerity to yourself, to your ascent and to God. So face it. Now, you see your imperfections correctly, in the sense, ”you see, “Yes I am possessed no doubt. If I am possessed, why should I be possessed? I must do everything that is under my control to get rid of it.” Now, a possessed person is always an abnormal person; either he doesn’t talk or if he talks, he talks too loudly. They are in dualities, always remain: either he’s very hot-tempered or he is over- sweet. Any person who is extremely sweet – all the time, is very sweet, never gets angry – that’s abnormal. Should be able to sometimes show your anger; for example, somebody beats your Mother, won’t you be angry at that point? You should be angry. You have to be, I mean, if you have a personality and a discreet, wise personality, you should be angry if somebody does anything to your Mother, you should be angry; that anger is given for that right correction of a person who tries to harm the source of wisdom, source of everything. So, that anger is all right, justified. And in that way one should again not to be deluded that if Mother has said that, “That time, anger is all right,” then anger is justified. This is the trouble with human beings is that, they generalise everything. So one has to know one thing that you were human beings; now today, you are yogis but you were a human being. And that human being-ness is still there in you, still lingering in you, and all these things are like caterpillars – parts are still hanging round you that you still behave like human beings; you should not: you should behave like a yogi. And yogi is discreet by nature; he knows where to get angry, he knows where not to get angry. But for a Sahaja Yogi, one has to learn it, by dropping out all those human being-ness that is attacking, attached to you. So the discretion, and that wise discretion, is to be developed; like Krishna has said that, “You have to go and fight. Take the swords in your hand and fight the enemies.” Now, one would say “then Krishna has said, “Take a sword in your hand”, now go on killing everyone!” Then even Hitler-ism can be justified. He said “your enemies” – this is important – your enemies. Now, who are your enemies? Who go against your ascent! They are six in number; one is lust. Lust. Of course, perversions are out of question, but even too much of lust – like, you see too much attachment to husband, too much attachment to wife. But the other side is also there; running away from sex is another nonsense you see. That’s another sign that you are possessed; definitely, no doubt about it. If you are husband and wife, you must have sex life but a sensible one. And the relationship should be such that it should ultimately culminate into it, and not the way people all the time think of sex; if you think normally of sex, then it’s something wrong. Only when you reach a point of that thing, then you should feel it – I mean, that’s the normal way. Like when, we don’t think all the time of water, do we? When we are thirsty, only then we think isn’t it? But those who think about water all the time, means we must be having lots of thirsty people within you, that they are asking for, “Water, water, water, water, water ...” It’s a point where you reach, where you feel hungry about it and there is a sense, there is a way of taking water. How much particular we are about taking ordinary thing like water? “It should be from a clean source; whether it is coming from the kitchen or not – we’ll first find out. It should be in a clean glass, from a clean person ...” Everything; we are very fussy on that point. I wish you could be the same way fussy about our married lives that, this is something where we put your heart and mind: “Are we clean enough, are we sweet enough, are we all right?” So, this is one of the very important attacks I have seen: you marry a person and is finished, in this country. In India it’s different. Here, if you marry a person, suddenly you find – God knows what happens – they all end up into lunatic asylums. I mean, that’s a path for them to drop out; one of the big sieves is marriage in the West. So, these sieves are there, so be careful not to drop out of the sieves. And keep your mind upon yourself, judging yourself how we work out. So, the first one is kama – is the lust. Second, very important, is krodha Jog. Krishna has put krodha above kam.; you see, anger: heated personality, angry. He thinks that krodha comes even before kama; He was so much against anger. Anger. If you are an angry person, take out anger upon yourself, beat yourself nicely; best thing is to beat your face, then you are hurt a little bit so you’ll remember it, to begin with. Then you beat yourself on the ground with shoes every morning. You get angry? All right – have it, have it, have it! Because this heated temperament is a big curse; is your enemy. That gives you a very great weakness against collectivity. You see, a heated man never realises that he’s an angry man and that’s the base of satanic forces, because they act on you because they’re angry with you; they are jealous, may be any reason – they’re angry with God. The whole base is anger and hatred. So the second point is, we should see: have we got anger within us? If you have anger, you cannot enjoy a sunshine, you cannot enjoy a flower; you cannot enjoy anything. Ultimately, you can’t even bear yourself; the best way to punish such a person is to put him in a jail, alone, then he faces himself, then he gets rid of it. That’s the best way, I think; there’s no other way I can understand – that separate him. Let him put into seclusions; when he goes through the seclusion, he’ll have to face himself and then he looks at him, gets angry... hee, hee, hee, hee. And then that anger goes away. If you keep with them with others, you see, then he has a chance to get more angry; maybe he might grow into his anger more. So, the Kama, krodha, madha – madha is the third thing. Kama, krodha, madha. Madha is what you call – is the pride. Or pride is a decent word: vanity. It comes out of ignorance: if you are supposed to be good-looking ... I don’t know, they call it – understanding of good-looking and beauty is also so different, that I used to think somebody is a very ugly man and it seems that he’s supposed to be handsome, according to Western standards. I said, “Oh God, how can he be handsome?” “Yes, he’s very handsome, Mother.” And I was surprised that how, according to Indian standards, nobody would marry such a man, you see. But such a man here is a very handsome man. Is most surprising that how our ideas of beauty also change. But I would say in this, fundamentally, one should understand that those people who normalise everything by their thinking ... you see, “The beauty should be ...” means this. “This thing, face should be such, the nose should be such and this and that” – is all being sort of measured out you see: “This is beautiful.” Then, all these ideas of beauty that are thought up – not spontaneous, not spontaneous, again I say – are not beauty. So, people who have pride about these things like, “Oh, I have a very beautiful house.” May be the ugliest house you could think of; could be the ugliest, I tell you, some of the houses I just couldn’t enter in, I felt like vomiting. And, for some people, it’s the house one should go and visit, it seems: all bhoots sitting here and there. If it was a beautiful house, no bhoot would enter in. Is a suchita – is the ... beauty is in purity. Purity is the expression of beauty: if you have no purity, there cannot be beauty. [Aside: Now, will you please listen to Me and then take a photograph. We have been trying for one hour and you’ll try for three hours you cannot get it, so you’d better listen to Me.] Now, the purity of a person is very important and then, once you have purity, you have no pride: you become prideless, absolutely prideless. Because that is also a kind of a stigma. When it is purity, everything drops out. So, to be proud of something, or vain – I mean, all pride so called, are vanity: nobody’s rightly proud. You have to be proud of your virtues because you enjoy them: you have to be proud of things of which you enjoy – enjoy, not happy but enjoy. Again, discrimination is needed. Now, when you start judging yourself like that, you will be amazed – best is to judge by children’s reaction; not by a bhooty child, but a good Realized soul child. Some women – you see I’ve seen, dressed up with all that thing and everything like that, you see – and when a child sees, he starts, “Heh, heh, heh, heh!” You see, he can’t bear the woman; and men are running after her, you see, you can’t understand: a child just can’t bear. I have known many such cases, you see, where the children would not look at them, they just start, “Ha, ha, ha!” like that. And best experience I had, when I was going ... Once, I went to Japan and we had a lady with us – very self-conscious American lady, dressed up like that and, I don’t know, she had put some sort of a big thing on her head; God knows what was that. She took about three hours to get ready; she went to a beauty salon and this thing, because we were going to see some big man there. And, this fellow had a house which was approached by a long road where you had to climb up something: funny man. So we went there. Now this, on the way, on the left-hand side of that road there were some little houses from where little, little children – Japanese, very sweet children – came up to see. And they just rushed to Me, and I was playing with them. Suddenly, one child looked up and this one was there and she started, “Aah, heh, heh, heh!” And all everybody, “Aah, heh, heh!” – they all ran away! So we caught hold of the child, I said, “Why are you running away?” So he said something in Japanese, so I asked the interpreter what it is. She said, “I’ll tell You later, but let the child go away.” Then I asked, “What was the child saying?” “That she’s a witch.” And this lady had spent so much money, three hours dressing up herself – I don’t know what she was looking like, but the child ... “She’s a witch!”, you see, they all ran away. And this child was pulling himself saying that but I couldn’t know what was that! So, this is it: so-called beauty of men and women is vanity. Their houses, their possessions, their positions – all this pride is nonsense. The one who owns something has no pride, because he really owns, you see. When you really own – I mean, when you own everything, why should you be proud? But the way we are proud of our noses and eyes ... sometimes I feel you don’t own them. I mean, if they’re a part and parcel of your being, what is there to be proud of? So, is madha: is madha. Then the third [should be 4th, see below] one comes as matsara. Is the one – the way we are sort of impressed by others’ things and we get jealous of other things. You see, even the jealousy can be subtler: like if I pay attention more to someone or somebody is more allowed to come and see Me – supposing, by any chance – then people get jealous of that as well. On the contrary, one should know mostly I am looking after the people who are more affected, so may be that there’s something wrong with the person, nothing to feel jealous. So, to be jealous of such a person ... so this is – the person who comes to Me feels madha, is the pride, that he comes to Me and the others feel jealous of him, but he is, poor thing, going down every day, and the others are jealous of him. So, this is the thing, is matsara. So we have got, now how many I have told you? [Yogis: Four] Four. Now, another is attachment and attractions to people; this is the worst of all because the bhoots are always combined with bhoots. You see, in a group you’ll find this group goes together; all the bhoots of one place combine together: you can make it out. In India, when there are people of different places, you see – Australia, England, say Switzerland ... and in that also Cambridge, Brighton ... Then we can say in India also, you see, you have to come to one little ... small, little ... we can say, group from [SOUNDS LIKE Tambarat, alright. All these, you see, you can suddenly find them combined together, suddenly; they all sit in groups. You can immediately make out; you can say, “Tambarat group-hood is there, and this group-hood is there.” You see, grouping – grouping is one of the ways people show the moha. Then it can go down: “My daughter, my son, my this thing ...” I mean, our country is the worst in this you see: “my wife, my husband. My wife must have this.” “Why? Why should your wife?” “My wife must have a bed. My wife must have a ...” Why? Why? Why your wife is so special? I mean, she’s a wife like anybody else ... “My child must have this.” Why? Or, “I must have this.” Why? This is moha, moha – is to say that, “I must have this for mine. My, mine.” First, ‘I, my, mine’ – you can put it; three. I, my, mine. These words should not be pronounced: it should be ‘our’. You must have noticed I say so many times, ‘I’, who is ‘Absolute I’; I am absolutely alone, single. But so many said, “Our” – I say “Our disciples, our disciples.” Now, who are the ‘ours’? It’s Me only. Who else is there? But so many times, “Our disciples are there, our this thing, our ... “When Gregoire wrote his book, I said, “Don’t say ‘I’, say ‘our’, ‘we’.” So, you should never talk in ‘I’s but talk in ‘We’ or at the most, if you have to talk about yourself, you should say, “this Bala”: “This Bala wants to go.” So, you are separated from Bala, in the third person. So the ‘I’ must be dropped out and off because you are finished with it now; that’s finished. You are no more that ‘I’ which was closed down. So no more ‘I’ exists; just try to open out yourself, to be one with the collective. This is moha. Then it can be very subtler and subtler: “My country.” Say, to be proud of India, now I am supposed to be born in India – sometimes I am so ashamed to be an Indian; so ashamed to be an Indian, you can’t imagine. I mean, then I feel, if My hair were blond, I would be a happier person. Sometimes, I’m ashamed to be British, when I think the way they behave towards other countries. And sometimes I’m ashamed to be a developing country, and sometimes I’m ashamed to be a developed country – because I can enter into any personality. But I’d better try not to be any one of these where I feel ashamed. [Mother is laughing] There are good and bad points in everything, so why to get attached to anyone? Because everybody has 50/50 percent, so no use getting attached, you see – who is Indian and who is British: it’s made by human beings only. God has not made you like that. He just created one world; is crazy human beings they have done this nonsense, you see. So what is there to get attached to someone? Or detached; everyone has got good points and bad points. So, how are you to say, “I don’t like this man, I don’t like that man.” What is there to say? I mean, if I was to say like that, as I’ve said many a times, I would have been left high and dry! [Mother is laughing] I don’t think I would have a single companion maybe. So, whom to discard and whom to get attached? So this [is] moha. And another is the desire to own something, of possessions: lobha. I see, say, a very nice...what is this set is? Television? No. Yogi: Stereo. Shri Mataji: Ah? Yogi: Stereo. Shri Mataji: Stereo, stereo, very good stereo with Bala, then I must have it! [Bala says, “It’s Yours, Mother, it’s Yours!” All laugh.] I don’t know even how to operate, though I want to use it by all means (Shri Mataji and yogis laugh). You see, it’s like that. This is, is to try to have something which you have. Say, I was coming in Tambar – I was looking out, what should I buy from Tambar? So, why? What is the purpose? I bought two things with – Philip, you remember? He might have forgotten. We went to that shop, because that place, these things has been looked by many people have seen this. It’s a beautiful thing, has good vibrations. So, through those things, I can put My attention onto the people who live there. So I always go and purchase something from a shop there, somewhere, which was on the outside where people were seeing it, you see: they were coming, going, seeing, and their attention has been there. So through that I can work out My attention on these people who have put attention on a thing. That’s matter, and that is how a matter is useful; without matter, God cannot manifest. He had to materialize Himself also in a form to talk to you. And there has to be a form through which He has to act and that’s how I have to get something like that. But when I find that this is all right, I’ve used it, then I’m not attached; I give up anything. You like it? All right, have it, just have it! When I have it with Me, I use it for a purpose, and when I want to use it for someone, then I’m generous, then I say, “All right, have it.” I use it for My generosity, in both ways. So, if you want to possess something – to have an attraction for something that you want to have – it should not be for your self-indulgence, but for using it for your generosity. Buy it for somebody, best is; never buy anything for yourself, should be the principle to begin with. And do not ... now supposing you say, is of course, this is very nice, “I must buy this for X, Y, Z,” – somebody else, another Sahaja Yogi – how many would come forward to buy? It’s for yourself and who? Now let us see from our budget how much do we spend for buying things for others, apart from Mother; Mother you would, but apart from Mother. All right? So, this is how we should get rid of our moha. Enjoy [INAUDIBLE, sound cuts out] neutralizing thing is there – enjoy what you give and do not enjoy what you possess: is the best way to enjoy your generosity, and then you’ll be amazed that you will rise. Now, this is all for your own ascent; most selfish thing I’m teaching. This is the most selfish things, as you can say, "svartha" (स्वार्थ) – "svartha" is called as, if translated directly, it means selfishness – but "sva-artha". "Sva- artha" means ...meaning of your "sva" is yourself; Sanskrit language's very clever. Selfishness itself means a self-fish, see? Even there is Self – I don’t know why fish. But – in English language I don’t know – but in India fish is "shubha" – auspicious. So selfish must be meaning that it should be auspicious for your Self: self- fish. But if the Self is all right, and the fish is smelling or rotting, then it becomes self-fish – dirty one, isn’t it? That’s what it is, but it must be the meaning is auspiciousness for your Self. So, this is the real selfishness, if you like the word. This is for your good, that we must be careful about, that we are always attacked on our weaknesses and not on our strong points. We should never be identified with our weaknesses; never justify them. Never justify them; otherwise they will go deeper and deeper and deeper. Otherwise, one man will say, “Oh, is I am so ... I give up.” It’s all right, that’s the thing Sahaja Yoga is doing all the time; you don’t know if there’s a circle going on. You are thrown out of Sahaja Yoga circle. And you’ll be thrown out just like that, like a tangent you’ll go away and you’ll never return back, and then where you will go, God alone knows. As it is, who are you without Sahaja Yoga, just think of it. What is your identity? You are nothing. So, one has to remember that not to praise your weaknesses, not to support them but to be looking after it. Now, a person who has a particular weakness – for example, say of ... we can say a very mild one, like is of keeping Mataji’s photographs; see, a simple thing. “After all, Mataji’s photographs are there, why not I keep to myself?” Even, such a subtle thing is a weakness: Mataji’s photographs are to be enjoyed by everyone. Your possessions are to be enjoyed by everyone. There’s nothing like private in Sahaja Yoga, that you enjoy – even your wife is to be enjoyed by everyone as a mother. Even your husband is to be enjoyed as a father by everyone. Relationship may change, but we should allow our homes, houses, everything, to be enjoyed by everyone. Now, if both are Sahaja Yogis, there should be no problem; if one is a Sahaja Yogi, then I can understand. If one is a Sahaja Yogi and the other is not a Sahaja Yogi, then it’s a big problem, all right; because the possessions belong to one person and another person is not a Sahaja Yogi, then it’s very difficult. But, when both are Sahaja Yogis, then there should be no problem – is to be enjoyed by everyone; there’s no objection on that point. Once you realize this point, that you will be attacked on your weaknesses, you’ll be very cautious and careful about your weaknesses; be careful about your weaknesses, because these satanic forces are going to pull you down. All the possessions come to you on your weaknesses. Now we’ll see the other side of it, the [SOUNDS LIKE rhapani]. There is one more side. [They haven’t come as yet. Who? They have come? Where are they? They sit outside, are they listening to Me? Alright, good idea. I just...] One more thing, one other side which I must tell you. Now the bhoots that come into us, they come from outside. Now this is another thing. Despite our [UNCLEAR] they’re outside. The bhoots that come from outside, how to save yourself; they also, if they have come through gurus, then I have told you how to get rid of it – must go on saying, “Mother, You are my Guru, You are my Guru, I am my own Guru, I have nothing to do with that”, you know all that. So try to work it out; certain gurus have got their own names as rakshasas, you should know to get rid of them, and beat them out, and that’s how you can work it out. They also work on your weaknesses of, say, somebody wants to be a great leader in Sahaja Yoga, they’ll come: outside. Somebody wants to be obstinate, they’ll come. Somebody wants to be showing off, they will come. Now, they can become very subtler, you see, there’s someone who’s talking ill about Sahaja Yoga or even slightest doubt, never listen to that; never talk to that person: that person is possessed. What is there to doubt Sahaja Yoga? What is there to doubt? It’s more than sunshine: there’s nothing to doubt about Sahaja Yoga. Anybody who doubts, you just say, “I have nothing to do, I don’t want to talk to you,” because he is possessed; anybody who is not surrendered to Sahaja Yoga or to Me, you are not to look at that person. Have nothing to do with that person, just get out of it: “Nothing doing, we don’t want this filth.” That person will improve, and you’ll improve also. But, if you allow that person, you see, to come round, and talk to you, be sweet to you, then don’t talk against Sahaja Yogis, “We have seen the light, you have not seen the light, so shut up. We don’t want to hear a single word of it.” It’s like sunshine: we have seen it, it has worked with us. Those who are doubting people, have nothing to do with them and you will be amazed how you will be saved. Anyone who says, “Now I will have nothing to do with Sahaja Yoga”, you say, “Get out! Immediately you’d better not do it,” is the best. “Leave us, spare us, get out.” Anybody who tries to show we are... “Oh, I need all the sympathies of the world,” and all that – some people are like that, “Oh, I was about to commit suicide ...” Tell them to commit suicide immediately. Do not play into the sympathies of the people also, you see these are how the bhoots come in – “Oh, I am very sick you know, I deserve this, that ...” “All right, go to Mother; use photograph, do this, but we are not going to cure you, nothing doing.” Because if you start curing a person, you’ll get sick yourself and you will have a problem for your Mother; it has happened with so many people. Recently there was a case, and a lady was trying to commit suicide. I told them, “You’d better tell to commit suicide,” and she was shocked. Because, you see, this is a very subtle thing that we want to be compassionate. Are you more compassionate than God is? Are you? You are not. Let it to happen through God; you just don’t try to help a person to get cured; none of you should try. I will tell you when you have to do that, not now. Just now, you people do not try to cure people; if somebody wants cure, all right, you can vibrate the lemons and give them – that much you can do, you have that much power. You can vibrate the water and give, because you are Yogis, no doubt. But you do not personally touch that person. Please do not do it. You’ll be affected, and very badly affected: some of them are suffering from horrible diseases and, if these diseases grow into you, you would not know how to control it. So please do not try to check them or do anything – give them a photograph if you want; they can use the photograph, ask them to sit in the water. After using the photograph, tell them to keep the photographs to themselves: do not take it back. Be careful on this point so that they do not attack you; this is one way they attack you. Then, a person who is very hot-tempered, better recede from such a person because, if you try to argue with that person, you’ll get the bhoots upon yourself. If somebody is angry, you say, “You are heated.” Finished; don’t talk, just don’t talk to that person, have nothing to do. Because you get the bhoots upon yourself, you see. You are not to neutralize such a person, just get out of it. Try to remember what I have said to you, that you are not to go on fighting or arguing with anyone whatsoever; if somebody is argumentative, let him be argumentative. Do not go and argue; you can tell Me about it, I’ll treat that person, all right. You should not take things into your hands: God is operating His own Laws, you should not take His Laws into your hands and start operating. First of all, one should know either you are attacked from the Left or the Right – the Right people are the ones who come and attack you by their operation; with such people you just “Shut up!” from them and they’ll be all right. If they’re left alone, they will know what they are. They talk loudly, assertively and all that ... just keep them out; don’t have a relationship with them. Obstinacy: some person is a very obstinate person – just give up, give up. You have not to cure them, you have not to save them, you have not to achieve anything. If they are obstinate, you are obstinate, finished: you have nothing to do with them. You go ahead: what’s the use of getting stuck with an obstinate man or an obstinate woman? This is what one has to realize and one has to go further with it. Now, you think about it, you will get the inspiration and you will know how to manage these negative forces away from you. Avoid all external attachments that you have: like somebody is very much used to TV – better not see. Somebody used to so much cinemas: better not see. Somebody used to this: better not do it. Gradually, you will find you will be very discriminate. For example, I don’t normally like sopranos very much – the way they go on ... “Hoh, hoh, hoh ...” All sopranos are not good, but there’s so many, like Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, have you heard of her? Oh, she’s a genius, she’s a genius, I tell you. Oh, what a beauty she is. So, then the thing – everyone who is a Sahaja Yogi is not good, and you need not bother about every Sahaja Yogi: keep company with the people who are good Sahaja Yogis, who are surrendered, who are humble, who are collective. Start forming a group of Mother; this is My group, which is absolutely surrendered to Me, and those who are not bothered about other things. Such a group should be formed, gradually this group will gather and this surrendered group will come together, and you’ll be amazed – we’ll create a beautiful world. This is how it should work out; try to keep to people who talk good of Sahaja Yoga, who talk about Sahaja Yoga, who think about Sahaja Yoga, who work out Sahaja Yoga, and a group can be formed. And forget all others; just forget. You have no duty to them, you owe no relationship to them: you are here for Sahaja Yoga and you are not going to sacrifice it for anything whatsoever. Because, you see, such a person will have something – for example, a man like this will have a car, and you have a convenience to travel by car, so you stick onto that man. May have a house; they will give you a house to live in – all right, you’ll stick onto that person. Some sort of more material convenience such a person will have, and you will just stick onto that person because you have that material convenience. So be careful: though he talks ill about Sahaja Yoga, doesn’t matter, “But you know he’s little nice, he’s generous.” Supposing he lends you money, oh, then “He’s nice.”. No! Some sort of a thing, I’m saying: some snag is there. So, be careful about it; some material advantage will be there. Doesn’t matter, you can walk, you can take a bus, doesn’t matter. So, because of this material comfort, you might, you might fall for it, so be careful on that point – that all these bhoots are material and they attack on your material attachments. And see to it that you get rid of those material attachments. In one word is that, see your material attachments and the things that, so-called, comfort you. You should only seek the comfort of your Self. And only the praise of your Mother is going to comfort your Self, take it from Me, which is told by Adi Shankaracharya long time back. And I wish you would understand that, that there’s nothing else that is going to comfort your soul. Forget all about these things, even if you have to walk – go on singing the praise, finished. You’ll not feel anything, that’s how it is going to work out. Today is the day for Me to declare certain things – as Krishna has said that, “Surrender your Self.” “Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja”. “Give up all other attachments and religions” – religions means the temperaments that svabhava, the ones you have developed – “and surrender unto Me”. Surrender unto Me, surrender unto Me. This is what you have to understand, otherwise it’s not going to work out – haphazard ways, half ways – it’s not going to work out. This, if you learn, you have solved the problem. We should not do during the Puja – after the Puja we’ll have the photographs so that you concentrate on the Puja, all right? Now today, because it is a Krishna’s Jayanti, I thought that we should have a Gita for you, and I’ve told him to read Gita, so that when all these things are done, your attention should be on Gita, what he reads. He has to read it loudly and ... Where is the water? No, not that, for washing the Feet. Now put the three leaves. You see, you put the three leaves. Big leaves, under that, under that, under the kumbha. No, no, under the coconut. Other way round, under the coconut. I think too big are alright, these ones are alright. Three ones, yes, these dark, dark ones are alright, three. Yes now, put it on top here. Now, before he reads Gita, I will tell you the basics of these two chapters which one should understand. Is, first is Sankhya yoga, Sankhya. Sankhya means Sahaja Yoga, we can say, but Sahaja Yoga is a combination of Karma Yoga and Sankhya Yoga: is both. The first part of Sankhya Yoga... The first part of Sahaja Yoga is that you get your Realization. That means your awareness is to be enlightened, you should have the knowledge to begin with: that is Sankhya Yoga, that you meditate and you achieve your Realization is the first part, is Sankhya Yog. That is the first thing Krishna has said that you achieve. Then the Karma Yoga is – actually should start after that. That is Karma Yoga. And whatever He said about Karma Yoga is actually after Sankhya Yoga has to be [there]. Sankhya Yoga is the first thing He preached and then He said about Karma Yoga; that you cannot do Karma Yoga before Sankhy. Yog. But this is a trick of Shri Krishna. So, those who try to do Karma Yoga before Sankhya Yoga are mistaken people. Moreover, He has tried to show that there are no two things: they are one. But they get two, become two because, if you put the Karma Yoga first, and then the Sankhya Yoga, it would be like, say a telephone which is not connected: you go on telephoning. That telephoning is Karma Yoga and then you’ do the connection, so this is wasted, and that is wasted. So what you do is to first of all connect, and then you do the Karma Yoga, so both things become one. All right? Once you understand that without connection, you cannot see your Ego, you cannot see your Super-ego, you’ll go on with your ego all the time, and you’re not aware of it at all. I mean, with Sahaja Yoga also you do, but with Sahaja Yoga at least you get aware of your Ego, you get aware of your Super-ego. So, first you do Sankhya Yog and then Karma Yog, is the thing that He’s trying to say and, whatever He has said in Karma Yoga is after Realization, after Sankhya Yoga. So, first He talked of Sankhya Yoga then [UNCLEAR]. Now, He says that those who talk of them separate are not wise, that’s how He neutralizes. But He has created this mystery 6.000 years back, because He wanted people to go around the world, you see? Because they wouldn’t understand; let them telephoning – go on telephoning, telephoning, telephoning. If you tell them, “Don’t do it,” they’ll be angry: their ego will come up. So He said, “All right, go on telephoning, telephoning, telephoning, then when you’ll be tired, you don’t get any connection, then you’ll come back and you’ll say, ‘Mother, it has not worked out’, then the Mother will be here and She’ll tell the Truth.” That’s why these six thousand years you have been telephoning, telephoning, telephoning. And that telephoning is Bhakti Yoga but that is, comes the third stage. First you get your Realization, secondly you work it out, perfect it and then indulge into Bhakti, into joy. Now, these are in three stages: first you get your knowledge – means your intelligence on your brain and that part, the Virata, [UNCLEAR Sanskrit?]. Means you achieve the Sat; Sat part of it – the Truth. Then second, you do the attention: Chitta – action. That’s Karma Yoga. And third, you do Bhakti, is the joy. Enjoy: you sing and praise, that’s all. Is combined like that. So, He has put three things – actually they are one, stage by stage. But for befooling people, He said, “You can do anything before” – I don’t know if He has said it, but He might have said it: He’s very clever. So what to do? People don’t want to take by stages, you see. They want to do first of all; I have seen many people who would like to ‘do’ Sahaja Yoga more than achieve it. All right, so now in these two chapters, you will find out. Now, when He says “Yogi”, it means Sahaja Yogi, all right? Now, can somebody – who is going to wash My feet today? Somebody from here. Now you need not, we have just now in My presence. Now please don’t pay attention to yourself. (Inaudible because some sound covers the voice). But surrender yourself. Alright? Now. Now, who is from this place? Come along. Now, who else? Come forward, come along, come along. Rachel and all these people. Come along. Where is your husband? Come, you should sit forward. Come along, come along, come along. All of you should be in front. Come forward, you come forward all of you, you all come forward. Specially those who have not yet washed My feet and all that should be forward. Come along. I would suggest that let somebody else, let Warren read it. Alright, and you do the washing and all. Come along. Use that. Come along Warren, come. It is to be – it’s in English language, it’s alright. Do it loudly. You missed time there, or somewhere? (Warren: “Chapter four and five, ok? Chapter four and five’. ) Shri Mataji: You can stand there, on the top of that, I don’t want to... yes, on the green one. (...) Now listen to him, that’s very important. Now, those people who are here.... Chaya? It’s here. Where is she? Alright. No, where will you throw it? (Yogi: We are going to wash it onto the tree.) Shri Mataji: Alright, come along. Little more. Now you read it, fourth chapter and fifth. [Warren starts reading, Shri Mataji sometimes comments some parts while Her feet are being washed] Chapter 4: Warren: Shri Bhagavan said: I taught this immortal yoga to Vivasvan, the sun god. Shri Mataji: “Sun God. Now who is ‘Sun God’? You know Christ.” Warren: Vivaswan conveyed it to Manu, his son, and Manu imparted it to his son, Isvaku. Thus handed down from father to son, Arjuna, this yoga remained known to the Raja Rishis. By great influx of time, however, it has more or less disappeared. The same ancient yoga as this has been imparted to you by Me because you are My devotee and friend, and also because this is a supreme secret. Shri Mataji: Now see, He told it to only Arjuna, to nobody else. This is not a mass thing, it’s only individualistic. Warren: Arjuna said: “You are of recent origin, while the birth of Vivaswan...” Shri Mataji: “This is quite a, quite a common thought – ‘You are a recent origin’. Me too, they think so.” Warren: ...while the birth of Vivaswan dates back to antiquity. How then am I to understand that you taught at the beginning of creation?” Shri Bhagavan said: “Arjuna, you and I have passed through many births. I know them all, while you do not, O chastiser of foes. Though unborn and immortal, also the Lord of all beings, I manifest Myself through My own Yogamaya, or divine potency, keeping My nature... Shri Mataji: “Where ‘I’ is, you should know this is Me, all right? Then you’ll understand.” Warren: ... keeping My nature completely under control. Arjuna, whenever there is decline of righteousness and unrighteousness is in the ascendant, then I body Myself forth. For the protection of the virtuous, for the destruction of the evil-doers, and for the establishment of Dharma on a firm footing I am born again from age to age. Arjuna, My birth and activities are divine, he who knows this in reality does not take birth again on leaving his body but attains Me. Completely rid of passion, fear and anger, wholly absorbed in Me, depending on Me and purified by the penance of wisdom, many have become one with Me... Warren: ... purified by the penance of wisdom, many have become one with Me even in the past. Arjuna, howsoever men approach Me, even so do I seek them, for all men follow My path from all sides. In this mortal world, men seeking the fruition of their activities worship the gods, so success born of action follows quickly. The four orders of society, namely the Brahman, the Khatriya, the Vaisyas and the Sudra were created classifying them according to their prenatal qualities... Shri Mataji:- That’s their aptitudes, aptitudes. Warren: And apportioning corresponding duties to them. Shri Mataji: Brahmanas are the ones who are seekers of God. Warren: “Though the author of this creation, know Me, the immortal Lord, to be a non-doer. Since I have no cravings for the fruits of actions, actions do not contaminate Me. Even he who does know Me, in reality is not bound by actions. Having known thus, action was performed even by the ancient seekers of salvation. Therefore, do you also perform such actions as were performed by the ancients in the former times. Even the wise are at a loss to know what is action and what is inaction. Therefore I shall expound to you the truth about action, knowing which you will be freed from its evil effects. Shri Mataji: “Now this is after Realization, you try to understand. So.” Warren: The truth about action must be known, and the truth of prohibited action must also be known. Even so the truth about inaction must be known. So the mysterious are the ways of action. He who sees inaction in action and action in inaction is wise among men. He is a yogi who has accomplished all action. He whose undertakings are all free from desire and thoughts of the world, and whose actions are burnt up by the fire of wisdom, him even the wise call a sage. He who having totally given up attachments to actions and their fruits... Shri Mataji: This is for you people. Warren: ...has got over the dependence on the world and is ever satisfied, does nothing at all, though he may be ever engaged in action. He who has subdued his mind and his body, has given up all objects of enjoyment and has no cravings, performing sheer bodily action, such a person does not incur sin. He who is contented with whatever he has got and unsought, is free from jealous and has transcended all pairs of opposites, such as joy and grief, and is balanced in success and failure. Such a karma yogi, though acting, is not bound. He whose attachment has gone, whose mind is established in knowledge and who acts for the sake of sacrifice, all actions of that liberated man melt away. Shri Mataji: “‘The liberated man’: now you see, the fools who don’t understand this – without liberation, they start doing all this action; you cannot do it. Warren: The sacrificing which they ... in which the oblation is poured is Brahma, the oblation itself is Brahma, even so the act of pouring the same into the fire which is again Brahma, by the sacrificer who is himself Brahma, surely is the goal to be reached by him who is absorbed in such sacrifices Brahma is also Brahma... – “Brahma is all-pervading power, you can say.” Warren: Is the absolute. Shri Mataji: Divine love is Brahma. Warren: Other yogis offer sacrifice in the shape of worship to the gods, others pour into the fire of Brahma, others sacrifice in the shape of the Self, through the sacrifice known as the perception of identity. Others offer as sacrifice.. Shri Mataji: Now you understand? W... others offer as sacrifice their senses of hearing, into the fires of self-control. Other yogis again offer sound and other objects of perception into the fires of the senses. Others sacrifice all the functions of their senses, and functions of the vital airs into the fire of Yoga, in the shape of the self- control, which is kindled by wisdom. Some perform sacrifice with material things, some offer sacrifice in the shape of penances, others sacrifice through the practice of Yoga, while striving souls observing austere vows perform the sacrifice of wisdom through the study of the sacred texts. Shri Mataji: All these things you can do. Warren: Other yogis offer the prana, breath, into the aprana, even so others the aprana into the prana. There are still others given to the practice of pranayama, or breath control, who having regulated their diet and control the course both of the prana and the aprana airs, pour their life-breaths into life-breaths. All these have their sins destroyed by sacrifice and know the truth about sacrifice. Arjuna, yogis who partake of the nectar in the form of the remains of sacrifice attain the eternal Brahma. To the man who does not offer sacrifice even this world is not happy. How then can the other world be happy? Many such forms of sacrifice have been set forth in detail through the mouth of the Vedas. Know them all has begotten the reactions of the body, the mind and the senses. Thus, knowing the truth about them you shall be freed from the bondage of karma, through their practice. Arjuna, sacrifice in the form of knowledge is superior to sacrifice performed with material things. For all actions without exception culminate in knowledge, O son of Kunthi. Attain this knowledge by all means, if you prostrate yourself at the feet of the wise, render them all forms of service and question them with a guiltless heart, again and again, those wise seers of truth will unfold that knowledge to you. Arjuna, acquiring that knowledge you will no more be subjected to delusion like this. And through it you will see all beings first in your own Self and then in Me. Even if you are the most sinful of all sinners, you will cross over all the sin by the raft of knowledge. For as the blazing fire reduces the fuel to ashes, Arjuna, even so the fire of knowledge reduces all actions to ashes. In this world there is no purifier like knowledge. He who has attained purity of heart through the practice of karma yoga, automatically realizes it in the self in course of time. He who has fully controlled his senses, is exclusively devoted to spiritual practice and is full of faith, attains knowledge. Having gained knowledge he immediately attains supreme peace in the form of God Realization. He who lacks discrimination, is devoid of faith, and is possessed by doubt, is lost to the spiritual part. Shri Mataji: Here He says possessed by what is in the Supra-conscious. W.: For the doubting soul in particular, there is neither this world nor the world beyond, nor even happiness. Arjuna, he who has dedicated all his actions to God according to the spirit of karma yoga, whose doubts have been dispelled by wisdom and who is self-possessed, actions do not bind him. Shri Mataji: “‘Self-possessed’ – possessed by Self.” W.: Therefore Arjuna, cutting asunder with the sword of knowledge this doubt in your heart born of ignorance, establish yourself in karma yoga, in the form of evermindedness, and stand up for the fight. Chapter five. Arjuna said: Krishna, You extol Sankhya Yoga, the yoga of knowledge. And then the yoga of action. Pray, tell me which of the two is decidedly better. Shri Bhagavan said: the yoga of knowledge and the yoga of action both lead to supreme bliss. Of the two however the yoga of action, being easier to practice, is superior to the yoga of knowledge. The karma yogi, who neither hates nor desires, should be ever considered a sannyasi. For, Arjuna, he who has transcended the pairs of opposites, is easily freed from bondage. It is the ignorant, not the wise, who say that Sankhya Yoga and Karma Yoga are productive of divergent results. The one who is firmly established in either gets the fruit of both, namely God Realization. Shri Mataji: Means, supposing you are Realized a little bit, not much. In the sense that you haven’t touched suddenly the highest, which happens. Most of the people that you are, it happens that your achievement, with your Kundalini, is not of the ultimate. So, when you do Karma Yoga, which is easier, through which you achieve. Sankhya Yoga can be that you achieve your Realization; you meditate in the jungles, go stay there, keep away from all the worldly things, meditate, meditate, meditate and try to rise. But such people are absolutely useless, I have seen. My own experience is that such people are useless for all worldly things: they cannot be compassionate; they cannot come down from their levels. When they come down, they again get contaminated. So, the second thing is very easy: that you get your Realization and start on the Karma Yoga, cleansing yourself. Once you have done your cleansing, you achieve it because it is immune, immune to everything. W.: By the supreme state which is reached by the sankhya yogi, is attained also by the karma yogi, therefore he who sees sankhya yoga and karma yoga as one, so far as their result goes, really sees. Without karma yoga, however, sankhya yoga or renunciation of doership in relation to all activities of the mind, senses and body, is difficult to attain. Whereas the karma yogi, who keeps his mind fixed on God, reaches Brahma... Shri Mataji: Means, you don’t become a Sanyasi; now, it’s for Bala! You don’t become a Sanyasi, you work here: is easier, definite, sure-shot. W.: ... he reaches the Brahma in no time, Arjuna. The karma yogi who has fully conquered his mind and subdued his senses, whose heart is pure and who has identified his self with the self of all beings, remains unaffected even though he is performing action. The sankhya yogi, however, who knows the reality of things, even though seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, going, sleeping, breathing, speaking, passing urine and stools, taking and opening or closing the eyes, must believe that he does nothing, holding that it is the senses that are acting on the sense objects. He who acts offering all actions to God and shaking off attachment, remains untouched by sin as the lotus leaf by water. The karma yogis perform action only with their senses, mind, intellect and body as well, withdrawing the feeling of meum in respect to them and shaking off attachment simply for the sake of self-purification. Offering the fruits of action to God the karma yogi attains peace in the shape of God-realization... Shri Mataji: “This is only possible after Realization; how can you offer action? Fruit of action – you cannot.” W.: Only then he attains peace in the shape of God-realization. Whereas he who works for the selfish motive, being attached to the fruit of action through desire, gets tied down. The self-controlled sankhya yogi, doing nothing himself and getting nothing done by others, rests happily in God, mentally relegating all actions to the city of nine gates, the body with nine holes. The Lord determines not the doership nor the doing of beings nor even their contact with the fruits of actions. It is nature that functions deriving its motive power from God. The Omnipresent Lord does not partake of the virtue or sin of anyone. Knowledge is enveloped in ignorance, hence it is that beings are constantly falling into a prey to delusion. Shri Mataji: See, ‘Prey to a delusion’ – and delusion, if identified with yourself, then God save you. Again, it comes to Me, but what to do? ‘God save you’ means also I have to do it!” (Laughs) W.: In the case however of those whose said ignorance has been destroyed by the knowledge of God, that wisdom shining like the sun reveals the Supreme. Those whose mind and intellect are wholly merged in Him, who are constantly established in identity with Him, and are exclusively devoted to Him, their sins being wiped out by wisdom, go to whence there is no return. The wise look with the same eye on a Brahman endowed with learning and culture, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a pariah. Even here is the mortal plane conquered by those whose mind is established in equanimity, since the Absolute is free from blemish and equanimous, hence they are established in the eternal. He who with reason firm and free from doubt rejoices not on obtaining what is agreeable, and does not feel perturbed on meeting with the unpleasant, that knower of Brahma lives eternally in identity with It. He whose mind remains unattached to external enjoyment, derives through meditation the unmixed joy which is inherent in the soul. Then that yogi, having completely identified himself through meditation with Brahma, enjoys eternal bliss. The pleasures which are born of sense contacts are verily sources of pain, though appearing as enjoyable to worldly-minded people. They have a beginning and an end, they come and they go. Arjuna, it is for this reason that wise man does not indulge in them. He who is able to stand here on earth, before casting off his body, the urges of lust and anger, he is the yogi: a harmonized soul, he is the happy man. He who is happy within himself, enjoys within himself the delight of the soul, and even so is illumined by the inner light, or the light of the soul, such a yogi, or a sankhya yogi, identified with Brahma attains the Brahma who is all peace. The seers whose sins have been washed away, whose doubts have been dispelled by knowledge, whose mind is firmly established in God and who are actively engaged in promoting the welfare of all beings, attain Brahma who is all peace. To those wise men who are free from lust and anger, who have subdued their mind and have realized God, Brahma, the abode of the eternal peace, is present all around. Shutting off the thoughts of external sense enjoyments, with the eyes fixed on the space between the eyebrows, having equalized the prana and apana breaths – outwardly and inwardly – flowing within the nostrils, he who has brought his senses, mind and reason under control, such a contemplative soul, intent on liberation, and free from desire, fear and anger, is ever liberated. Having known Me in reality as the enjoyer of sacrifices and the austerities... Shri Mataji: Now, this part of Hatha Yoga we have not yet started in Sahaja Yoga, but I will start it gradually. Because the tendency, in the West specially, is to go to extremes, so I don’t want to do it, you see. W.: Having known Me in reality as the enjoyer of sacrifices and austerities, the supreme Lord of all the worlds and the disinterested friend of all beings, My devotee attains peace. Shri Mataji: I hope you have followed it now, you see? So, Sankhya and these things you should clearly understand, and is a very good way of understanding what is expected of you – to have the bliss. And what is to be done is first of all to get your Realization and then become Karma Yogi. Work it out on Karma Yoga: means you do not become a Sanyasi, don’t run away from this world, settle down somewhere else. Because it will be very difficult: you go out of this world, stay somewhere, and when you come back again you become a bhoot. So what’s the use? Instead of that, work it out here and perfect it. So, this is Karma Yoga. That’s why we don’t like Sanyasis here, because Sanyasis are a different style; they are ascetics, so called. They are really not ascetics, but possessed ascetics. So we have to first bring them in the center and to understand they are in center where they have given up the duality – extreme of this and that. They have to check it all the time and, when I am here, you should check it. For example, now some people are performing Puja in Scotland; they said so. I mean, whose Puja are you perform[ing] – My photograph? [ie they’re doing Puja to the photograph, not to Mother]. Can’t you perform your Puja here for Scotland? But I delude. They were not to be here for such an important Puja: I delude, I do it. I have told you I am Mahamaya. That’s how they were deluded with the idea that they will perform My Puja in Scotland for Scotland. What is the need to go to Scotland? Can’t you perform it here? I mean, I am here, why shouldn’t you be here? But when they asked Me I said, “All right, if you want to do it, you can do it.” Sometimes, for some people, My photograph is more important than Me. Imagine the delusions! Yes, so many are like that. And then they’ll say, “Mother, we did the Puja and then this thing happened.” The delusions must show themselves. Now who else is coming after that? [People keep coming to wash Shri Mataji’s Feet] Now, somebody can read Devi’s names? Eleven names, or, say, hundred and eight names? Who can read? Now read, anyone from your group. You can do it. Hundred and eight names, yes. You do it while they are washing. Who are washing? Have you done it? Come along. Rub it, rub it hard, rub it hard, is to pour water. Very good. Rub it hard, pour more water, take more water from there. (To somebody:) The sari’s looking nice, Phyllis. But you must learn how to wear it, alright? Ask Chaya how to do it. That’s all, good. May God bless you. Where is he gone? Good. Now, who else? Rub it hard, hard. Rub it hard, very hard. My feet are very strong. Yesterday there were two people, (...) ladies: they got exhausted while ... (She laughs) Rub it hard! Just see which ones are the twenty-one names of the Goddess? (Yogi: Hundred and eight names?”) But it is better to have it in English. Somebody can do it in Sanskrit and somebody can... but very difficult. You’ve got two books, is it? (Yogi: That’s Devi Mahatmya, this is Lalita Sahasranama...) Hundred and eight names we do it from here. [End of audio recording]

Shri Krishna’s Birthday Puja, Bala’s home, Tamworth, Birmingham (UK), 15 August 1981 ... they dictate the information about their attack, how they’re attacking about. Now, we have to know that there is a war on between the satanic forces and the Divine forces. Now you are the people who have chosen to be Divine. But, even if you have chosen that and God has accepted you, and has given you your own powers, still you must know that you are still vulnerable, very much, to the attack of the negativity upon you. Now always, one has to remember that Divine will win in any case: there is no doubt about it. Supposing you fail the Divine, you will be the losers, not the Divine. If you all fail the Divine then you will be destroyed as negatives so, in the ultimate destruction, Divine will finish off all that is satanic, there is no doubt about it. But how many people are going to be destroyed, is the point. So you all have to be very much alert that you are to be saved and you are not going to be one of those who are destroyed. The more we save, the better will be our enjoyment; the more people we save, there will be a greater power flowing and the effect of that impact will be such that we might ourselves able to be rid all that is satanic and a very little will be left which will be destroyed. So the responsibility on the Sahaja Yogis is to understand that there is a war going on. Now, this war is within and without: first basic thing: within and without. First we must see the within war. The within war is this that we are the Spirit – or not, very basically: we are the Spirit or we are not the Spirit. If we are the Spirit, that means we are not Ego, we are not Superego and we are not this body, this mind or anything but we are the Spirit, which is perfect. So all the imperfections that come within us are our own, and we are responsible for the imperfections, because whatever God does is perfect. And when we see that there are imperfections – I mean, that is also a very big ‘if’: “if we see”, because that seeing is also not possible for many people: they are so blinded by their ego, they cannot see it, they are not aware of it. Or some are so blinded by their possessions and superego, they cannot see it. If you tell them that, “You have a superego”, they get double ego-d; if you tell them “You have an ego”, they get superego-d, because they are still identified with them. So, to be able to see first of all is the first step but, if you see – if, absolutely a big ‘if’ – see that you are not perfect, that you are not to justify your imperfections, that you are not your imperfections, but you are your ‘perfect being’; you are actually, but just now you are not. So the movement is very, very slippery, in the beginning. So, one by one, you must put your foot steadily as a climber on a snowy mountain does: first step should be that, “Can we see our imperfections?” Not others’; first of all not to see others’ is the first principle of Sahaja Yoga. First principle of Sahaja Yoga is not to see others’ imperfections. What is the gain? I mean, I just can’t understand this, you know, because I am very differently made; I can’t understand, what’s the use of seeing imperfections of others? I mean, you cannot correct it, you cannot do anything about it; by seeing them, you do not improve, by seeing their ... you cannot improve collectivity. So there is no sense in seeing others’ imperfections. Now, first of all see your own problems, your own angularity, your own misidentifications and imperfections. When you start seeing them, then the first thing you will do, best way to avoid everything – I mean, avoidance is a very great character of human beings, but in a subtle way it is insincerity to yourself, to your ascent and to God. So face it. Now, you see your imperfections correctly, in the sense, ”you see, “Yes I am possessed no doubt. If I am possessed, why should I be possessed? I must do everything that is under my control to get rid of it.” Now, a possessed person is always an abnormal person; either he doesn’t talk or if he talks, he talks too loudly. They are in dualities, always remain: either he’s very hot-tempered or he is over- sweet. Any person who is extremely sweet – all the time, is very sweet, never gets angry – that’s abnormal. Should be able to sometimes show your anger; for example, somebody beats your Mother, won’t you be angry at that point? You should be angry. You have to be, I mean, if you have a personality and a discreet, wise personality, you should be angry if somebody does anything to your Mother, you should be angry; that anger is given for that right correction of a person who tries to harm the source of wisdom, source of everything. So, that anger is all right, justified. And in that way one should again not to be deluded that if Mother has said that, “That time, anger is all right,” then anger is justified. This is the trouble with human beings is that, they generalise everything. So one has to know one thing that you were human beings; now today, you are yogis but you were a human being. And that human being-ness is still there in you, still lingering in you, and all these things are like caterpillars – parts are still hanging round you that you still behave like human beings; you should not: you should behave like a yogi. And yogi is discreet by nature; he knows where to get angry, he knows where not to get angry. But for a Sahaja Yogi, one has to learn it, by dropping out all those human being-ness that is attacking, attached to you. So the discretion, and that wise discretion, is to be developed; like Krishna has said that, “You have to go and fight. Take the swords in your hand and fight the enemies.” Now, one would say “then Krishna has said, “Take a sword in your hand”, now go on killing everyone!” Then even Hitler-ism can be justified. He said “your enemies” – this is important – your enemies. Now, who are your enemies? Who go against your ascent! They are six in number; one is lust. Lust. Of course, perversions are out of question, but even too much of lust – like, you see too much attachment to husband, too much attachment to wife. But the other side is also there; running away from sex is another nonsense you see. That’s another sign that you are possessed; definitely, no doubt about it. If you are husband and wife, you must have sex life but a sensible one. And the relationship should be such that it should ultimately culminate into it, and not the way people all the time think of sex; if you think normally of sex, then it’s something wrong. Only when you reach a point of that thing, then you should feel it – I mean, that’s the normal way. Like when, we don’t think all the time of water, do we? When we are thirsty, only then we think isn’t it? But those who think about water all the time, means we must be having lots of thirsty people within you, that they are asking for, “Water, water, water, water, water ...” It’s a point where you reach, where you feel hungry about it and there is a sense, there is a way of taking water. How much particular we are about taking ordinary thing like water? “It should be from a clean source; whether it is coming from the kitchen or not – we’ll first find out. It should be in a clean glass, from a clean person ...” Everything; we are very fussy on that point. I wish you could be the same way fussy about our married lives that, this is something where we put your heart and mind: “Are we clean enough, are we sweet enough, are we all right?” So, this is one of the very important attacks I have seen: you marry a person and is finished, in this country. In India it’s different. Here, if you marry a person, suddenly you find – God knows what happens – they all end up into lunatic asylums. I mean, that’s a path for them to drop out; one of the big sieves is marriage in the West. So, these sieves are there, so be careful not to drop out of the sieves. And keep your mind upon yourself, judging yourself how we work out. So, the first one is kama – is the lust. Second, very important, is krodha Jog. Krishna has put krodha above kam.; you see, anger: heated personality, angry. He thinks that krodha comes even before kama; He was so much against anger. Anger. If you are an angry person, take out anger upon yourself, beat yourself nicely; best thing is to beat your face, then you are hurt a little bit so you’ll remember it, to begin with. Then you beat yourself on the ground with shoes every morning. You get angry? All right – have it, have it, have it! Because this heated temperament is a big curse; is your enemy. That gives you a very great weakness against collectivity. You see, a heated man never realises that he’s an angry man and that’s the base of satanic forces, because they act on you because they’re angry with you; they are jealous, may be any reason – they’re angry with God. The whole base is anger and hatred. So the second point is, we should see: have we got anger within us? If you have anger, you cannot enjoy a sunshine, you cannot enjoy a flower; you cannot enjoy anything. Ultimately, you can’t even bear yourself; the best way to punish such a person is to put him in a jail, alone, then he faces himself, then he gets rid of it. That’s the best way, I think; there’s no other way I can understand – that separate him. Let him put into seclusions; when he goes through the seclusion, he’ll have to face himself and then he looks at him, gets angry... hee, hee, hee, hee. And then that anger goes away. If you keep with them with others, you see, then he has a chance to get more angry; maybe he might grow into his anger more. So, the Kama, krodha, madha – madha is the third thing. Kama, krodha, madha. Madha is what you call – is the pride. Or pride is a decent word: vanity. It comes out of ignorance: if you are supposed to be good-looking ... I don’t know, they call it – understanding of good-looking and beauty is also so different, that I used to think somebody is a very ugly man and it seems that he’s supposed to be handsome, according to Western standards. I said, “Oh God, how can he be handsome?” “Yes, he’s very handsome, Mother.” And I was surprised that how, according to Indian standards, nobody would marry such a man, you see. But such a man here is a very handsome man. Is most surprising that how our ideas of beauty also change. But I would say in this, fundamentally, one should understand that those people who normalise everything by their thinking ... you see, “The beauty should be ...” means this. “This thing, face should be such, the nose should be such and this and that” – is all being sort of measured out you see: “This is beautiful.” Then, all these ideas of beauty that are thought up – not spontaneous, not spontaneous, again I say – are not beauty. So, people who have pride about these things like, “Oh, I have a very beautiful house.” May be the ugliest house you could think of; could be the ugliest, I tell you, some of the houses I just couldn’t enter in, I felt like vomiting. And, for some people, it’s the house one should go and visit, it seems: all bhoots sitting here and there. If it was a beautiful house, no bhoot would enter in. Is a suchita – is the ... beauty is in purity. Purity is the expression of beauty: if you have no purity, there cannot be beauty. [Aside: Now, will you please listen to Me and then take a photograph. We have been trying for one hour and you’ll try for three hours you cannot get it, so you’d better listen to Me.] Now, the purity of a person is very important and then, once you have purity, you have no pride: you become prideless, absolutely prideless. Because that is also a kind of a stigma. When it is purity, everything drops out. So, to be proud of something, or vain – I mean, all pride so called, are vanity: nobody’s rightly proud. You have to be proud of your virtues because you enjoy them: you have to be proud of things of which you enjoy – enjoy, not happy but enjoy. Again, discrimination is needed. Now, when you start judging yourself like that, you will be amazed – best is to judge by children’s reaction; not by a bhooty child, but a good Realized soul child. Some women – you see I’ve seen, dressed up with all that thing and everything like that, you see – and when a child sees, he starts, “Heh, heh, heh, heh!” You see, he can’t bear the woman; and men are running after her, you see, you can’t understand: a child just can’t bear. I have known many such cases, you see, where the children would not look at them, they just start, “Ha, ha, ha!” like that. And best experience I had, when I was going ... Once, I went to Japan and we had a lady with us – very self-conscious American lady, dressed up like that and, I don’t know, she had put some sort of a big thing on her head; God knows what was that. She took about three hours to get ready; she went to a beauty salon and this thing, because we were going to see some big man there. And, this fellow had a house which was approached by a long road where you had to climb up something: funny man. So we went there. Now this, on the way, on the left-hand side of that road there were some little houses from where little, little children – Japanese, very sweet children – came up to see. And they just rushed to Me, and I was playing with them. Suddenly, one child looked up and this one was there and she started, “Aah, heh, heh, heh!” And all everybody, “Aah, heh, heh!” – they all ran away! So we caught hold of the child, I said, “Why are you running away?” So he said something in Japanese, so I asked the interpreter what it is. She said, “I’ll tell You later, but let the child go away.” Then I asked, “What was the child saying?” “That she’s a witch.” And this lady had spent so much money, three hours dressing up herself – I don’t know what she was looking like, but the child ... “She’s a witch!”, you see, they all ran away. And this child was pulling himself saying that but I couldn’t know what was that! So, this is it: so-called beauty of men and women is vanity. Their houses, their possessions, their positions – all this pride is nonsense. The one who owns something has no pride, because he really owns, you see. When you really own – I mean, when you own everything, why should you be proud? But the way we are proud of our noses and eyes ... sometimes I feel you don’t own them. I mean, if they’re a part and parcel of your being, what is there to be proud of? So, is madha: is madha. Then the third [should be 4th, see below] one comes as matsara. Is the one – the way we are sort of impressed by others’ things and we get jealous of other things. You see, even the jealousy can be subtler: like if I pay attention more to someone or somebody is more allowed to come and see Me – supposing, by any chance – then people get jealous of that as well. On the contrary, one should know mostly I am looking after the people who are more affected, so may be that there’s something wrong with the person, nothing to feel jealous. So, to be jealous of such a person ... so this is – the person who comes to Me feels madha, is the pride, that he comes to Me and the others feel jealous of him, but he is, poor thing, going down every day, and the others are jealous of him. So, this is the thing, is matsara. So we have got, now how many I have told you? [Yogis: Four] Four. Now, another is attachment and attractions to people; this is the worst of all because the bhoots are always combined with bhoots. You see, in a group you’ll find this group goes together; all the bhoots of one place combine together: you can make it out. In India, when there are people of different places, you see – Australia, England, say Switzerland ... and in that also Cambridge, Brighton ... Then we can say in India also, you see, you have to come to one little ... small, little ... we can say, group from [SOUNDS LIKE Tambarat, alright. All these, you see, you can suddenly find them combined together, suddenly; they all sit in groups. You can immediately make out; you can say, “Tambarat group-hood is there, and this group-hood is there.” You see, grouping – grouping is one of the ways people show the moha. Then it can go down: “My daughter, my son, my this thing ...” I mean, our country is the worst in this you see: “my wife, my husband. My wife must have this.” “Why? Why should your wife?” “My wife must have a bed. My wife must have a ...” Why? Why? Why your wife is so special? I mean, she’s a wife like anybody else ... “My child must have this.” Why? Or, “I must have this.” Why? This is moha, moha – is to say that, “I must have this for mine. My, mine.” First, ‘I, my, mine’ – you can put it; three. I, my, mine. These words should not be pronounced: it should be ‘our’. You must have noticed I say so many times, ‘I’, who is ‘Absolute I’; I am absolutely alone, single. But so many said, “Our” – I say “Our disciples, our disciples.” Now, who are the ‘ours’? It’s Me only. Who else is there? But so many times, “Our disciples are there, our this thing, our ... “When Gregoire wrote his book, I said, “Don’t say ‘I’, say ‘our’, ‘we’.” So, you should never talk in ‘I’s but talk in ‘We’ or at the most, if you have to talk about yourself, you should say, “this Bala”: “This Bala wants to go.” So, you are separated from Bala, in the third person. So the ‘I’ must be dropped out and off because you are finished with it now; that’s finished. You are no more that ‘I’ which was closed down. So no more ‘I’ exists; just try to open out yourself, to be one with the collective. This is moha. Then it can be very subtler and subtler: “My country.” Say, to be proud of India, now I am supposed to be born in India – sometimes I am so ashamed to be an Indian; so ashamed to be an Indian, you can’t imagine. I mean, then I feel, if My hair were blond, I would be a happier person. Sometimes, I’m ashamed to be British, when I think the way they behave towards other countries. And sometimes I’m ashamed to be a developing country, and sometimes I’m ashamed to be a developed country – because I can enter into any personality. But I’d better try not to be any one of these where I feel ashamed. [Mother is laughing] There are good and bad points in everything, so why to get attached to anyone? Because everybody has 50/50 percent, so no use getting attached, you see – who is Indian and who is British: it’s made by human beings only. God has not made you like that. He just created one world; is crazy human beings they have done this nonsense, you see. So what is there to get attached to someone? Or detached; everyone has got good points and bad points. So, how are you to say, “I don’t like this man, I don’t like that man.” What is there to say? I mean, if I was to say like that, as I’ve said many a times, I would have been left high and dry! [Mother is laughing] I don’t think I would have a single companion maybe. So, whom to discard and whom to get attached? So this [is] moha. And another is the desire to own something, of possessions: lobha. I see, say, a very nice...what is this set is? Television? No. Yogi: Stereo. Shri Mataji: Ah? Yogi: Stereo. Shri Mataji: Stereo, stereo, very good stereo with Bala, then I must have it! [Bala says, “It’s Yours, Mother, it’s Yours!” All laugh.] I don’t know even how to operate, though I want to use it by all means (Shri Mataji and yogis laugh). You see, it’s like that. This is, is to try to have something which you have. Say, I was coming in Tambar – I was looking out, what should I buy from Tambar? So, why? What is the purpose? I bought two things with – Philip, you remember? He might have forgotten. We went to that shop, because that place, these things has been looked by many people have seen this. It’s a beautiful thing, has good vibrations. So, through those things, I can put My attention onto the people who live there. So I always go and purchase something from a shop there, somewhere, which was on the outside where people were seeing it, you see: they were coming, going, seeing, and their attention has been there. So through that I can work out My attention on these people who have put attention on a thing. That’s matter, and that is how a matter is useful; without matter, God cannot manifest. He had to materialize Himself also in a form to talk to you. And there has to be a form through which He has to act and that’s how I have to get something like that. But when I find that this is all right, I’ve used it, then I’m not attached; I give up anything. You like it? All right, have it, just have it! When I have it with Me, I use it for a purpose, and when I want to use it for someone, then I’m generous, then I say, “All right, have it.” I use it for My generosity, in both ways. So, if you want to possess something – to have an attraction for something that you want to have – it should not be for your self-indulgence, but for using it for your generosity. Buy it for somebody, best is; never buy anything for yourself, should be the principle to begin with. And do not ... now supposing you say, is of course, this is very nice, “I must buy this for X, Y, Z,” – somebody else, another Sahaja Yogi – how many would come forward to buy? It’s for yourself and who? Now let us see from our budget how much do we spend for buying things for others, apart from Mother; Mother you would, but apart from Mother. All right? So, this is how we should get rid of our moha. Enjoy [INAUDIBLE, sound cuts out] neutralizing thing is there – enjoy what you give and do not enjoy what you possess: is the best way to enjoy your generosity, and then you’ll be amazed that you will rise. Now, this is all for your own ascent; most selfish thing I’m teaching. This is the most selfish things, as you can say, "svartha" (स्वार्थ) – "svartha" is called as, if translated directly, it means selfishness – but "sva-artha". "Sva- artha" means ...meaning of your "sva" is yourself; Sanskrit language's very clever. Selfishness itself means a self-fish, see? Even there is Self – I don’t know why fish. But – in English language I don’t know – but in India fish is "shubha" – auspicious. So selfish must be meaning that it should be auspicious for your Self: self- fish. But if the Self is all right, and the fish is smelling or rotting, then it becomes self-fish – dirty one, isn’t it? That’s what it is, but it must be the meaning is auspiciousness for your Self. So, this is the real selfishness, if you like the word. This is for your good, that we must be careful about, that we are always attacked on our weaknesses and not on our strong points. We should never be identified with our weaknesses; never justify them. Never justify them; otherwise they will go deeper and deeper and deeper. Otherwise, one man will say, “Oh, is I am so ... I give up.” It’s all right, that’s the thing Sahaja Yoga is doing all the time; you don’t know if there’s a circle going on. You are thrown out of Sahaja Yoga circle. And you’ll be thrown out just like that, like a tangent you’ll go away and you’ll never return back, and then where you will go, God alone knows. As it is, who are you without Sahaja Yoga, just think of it. What is your identity? You are nothing. So, one has to remember that not to praise your weaknesses, not to support them but to be looking after it. Now, a person who has a particular weakness – for example, say of ... we can say a very mild one, like is of keeping Mataji’s photographs; see, a simple thing. “After all, Mataji’s photographs are there, why not I keep to myself?” Even, such a subtle thing is a weakness: Mataji’s photographs are to be enjoyed by everyone. Your possessions are to be enjoyed by everyone. There’s nothing like private in Sahaja Yoga, that you enjoy – even your wife is to be enjoyed by everyone as a mother. Even your husband is to be enjoyed as a father by everyone. Relationship may change, but we should allow our homes, houses, everything, to be enjoyed by everyone. Now, if both are Sahaja Yogis, there should be no problem; if one is a Sahaja Yogi, then I can understand. If one is a Sahaja Yogi and the other is not a Sahaja Yogi, then it’s a big problem, all right; because the possessions belong to one person and another person is not a Sahaja Yogi, then it’s very difficult. But, when both are Sahaja Yogis, then there should be no problem – is to be enjoyed by everyone; there’s no objection on that point. Once you realize this point, that you will be attacked on your weaknesses, you’ll be very cautious and careful about your weaknesses; be careful about your weaknesses, because these satanic forces are going to pull you down. All the possessions come to you on your weaknesses. Now we’ll see the other side of it, the [SOUNDS LIKE rhapani]. There is one more side. [They haven’t come as yet. Who? They have come? Where are they? They sit outside, are they listening to Me? Alright, good idea. I just...] One more thing, one other side which I must tell you. Now the bhoots that come into us, they come from outside. Now this is another thing. Despite our [UNCLEAR] they’re outside. The bhoots that come from outside, how to save yourself; they also, if they have come through gurus, then I have told you how to get rid of it – must go on saying, “Mother, You are my Guru, You are my Guru, I am my own Guru, I have nothing to do with that”, you know all that. So try to work it out; certain gurus have got their own names as rakshasas, you should know to get rid of them, and beat them out, and that’s how you can work it out. They also work on your weaknesses of, say, somebody wants to be a great leader in Sahaja Yoga, they’ll come: outside. Somebody wants to be obstinate, they’ll come. Somebody wants to be showing off, they will come. Now, they can become very subtler, you see, there’s someone who’s talking ill about Sahaja Yoga or even slightest doubt, never listen to that; never talk to that person: that person is possessed. What is there to doubt Sahaja Yoga? What is there to doubt? It’s more than sunshine: there’s nothing to doubt about Sahaja Yoga. Anybody who doubts, you just say, “I have nothing to do, I don’t want to talk to you,” because he is possessed; anybody who is not surrendered to Sahaja Yoga or to Me, you are not to look at that person. Have nothing to do with that person, just get out of it: “Nothing doing, we don’t want this filth.” That person will improve, and you’ll improve also. But, if you allow that person, you see, to come round, and talk to you, be sweet to you, then don’t talk against Sahaja Yogis, “We have seen the light, you have not seen the light, so shut up. We don’t want to hear a single word of it.” It’s like sunshine: we have seen it, it has worked with us. Those who are doubting people, have nothing to do with them and you will be amazed how you will be saved. Anyone who says, “Now I will have nothing to do with Sahaja Yoga”, you say, “Get out! Immediately you’d better not do it,” is the best. “Leave us, spare us, get out.” Anybody who tries to show we are... “Oh, I need all the sympathies of the world,” and all that – some people are like that, “Oh, I was about to commit suicide ...” Tell them to commit suicide immediately. Do not play into the sympathies of the people also, you see these are how the bhoots come in – “Oh, I am very sick you know, I deserve this, that ...” “All right, go to Mother; use photograph, do this, but we are not going to cure you, nothing doing.” Because if you start curing a person, you’ll get sick yourself and you will have a problem for your Mother; it has happened with so many people. Recently there was a case, and a lady was trying to commit suicide. I told them, “You’d better tell to commit suicide,” and she was shocked. Because, you see, this is a very subtle thing that we want to be compassionate. Are you more compassionate than God is? Are you? You are not. Let it to happen through God; you just don’t try to help a person to get cured; none of you should try. I will tell you when you have to do that, not now. Just now, you people do not try to cure people; if somebody wants cure, all right, you can vibrate the lemons and give them – that much you can do, you have that much power. You can vibrate the water and give, because you are Yogis, no doubt. But you do not personally touch that person. Please do not do it. You’ll be affected, and very badly affected: some of them are suffering from horrible diseases and, if these diseases grow into you, you would not know how to control it. So please do not try to check them or do anything – give them a photograph if you want; they can use the photograph, ask them to sit in the water. After using the photograph, tell them to keep the photographs to themselves: do not take it back. Be careful on this point so that they do not attack you; this is one way they attack you. Then, a person who is very hot-tempered, better recede from such a person because, if you try to argue with that person, you’ll get the bhoots upon yourself. If somebody is angry, you say, “You are heated.” Finished; don’t talk, just don’t talk to that person, have nothing to do. Because you get the bhoots upon yourself, you see. You are not to neutralize such a person, just get out of it. Try to remember what I have said to you, that you are not to go on fighting or arguing with anyone whatsoever; if somebody is argumentative, let him be argumentative. Do not go and argue; you can tell Me about it, I’ll treat that person, all right. You should not take things into your hands: God is operating His own Laws, you should not take His Laws into your hands and start operating. First of all, one should know either you are attacked from the Left or the Right – the Right people are the ones who come and attack you by their operation; with such people you just “Shut up!” from them and they’ll be all right. If they’re left alone, they will know what they are. They talk loudly, assertively and all that ... just keep them out; don’t have a relationship with them. Obstinacy: some person is a very obstinate person – just give up, give up. You have not to cure them, you have not to save them, you have not to achieve anything. If they are obstinate, you are obstinate, finished: you have nothing to do with them. You go ahead: what’s the use of getting stuck with an obstinate man or an obstinate woman? This is what one has to realize and one has to go further with it. Now, you think about it, you will get the inspiration and you will know how to manage these negative forces away from you. Avoid all external attachments that you have: like somebody is very much used to TV – better not see. Somebody used to so much cinemas: better not see. Somebody used to this: better not do it. Gradually, you will find you will be very discriminate. For example, I don’t normally like sopranos very much – the way they go on ... “Hoh, hoh, hoh ...” All sopranos are not good, but there’s so many, like Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, have you heard of her? Oh, she’s a genius, she’s a genius, I tell you. Oh, what a beauty she is. So, then the thing – everyone who is a Sahaja Yogi is not good, and you need not bother about every Sahaja Yogi: keep company with the people who are good Sahaja Yogis, who are surrendered, who are humble, who are collective. Start forming a group of Mother; this is My group, which is absolutely surrendered to Me, and those who are not bothered about other things. Such a group should be formed, gradually this group will gather and this surrendered group will come together, and you’ll be amazed – we’ll create a beautiful world. This is how it should work out; try to keep to people who talk good of Sahaja Yoga, who talk about Sahaja Yoga, who think about Sahaja Yoga, who work out Sahaja Yoga, and a group can be formed. And forget all others; just forget. You have no duty to them, you owe no relationship to them: you are here for Sahaja Yoga and you are not going to sacrifice it for anything whatsoever. Because, you see, such a person will have something – for example, a man like this will have a car, and you have a convenience to travel by car, so you stick onto that man. May have a house; they will give you a house to live in – all right, you’ll stick onto that person. Some sort of more material convenience such a person will have, and you will just stick onto that person because you have that material convenience. So be careful: though he talks ill about Sahaja Yoga, doesn’t matter, “But you know he’s little nice, he’s generous.” Supposing he lends you money, oh, then “He’s nice.”. No! Some sort of a thing, I’m saying: some snag is there. So, be careful about it; some material advantage will be there. Doesn’t matter, you can walk, you can take a bus, doesn’t matter. So, because of this material comfort, you might, you might fall for it, so be careful on that point – that all these bhoots are material and they attack on your material attachments. And see to it that you get rid of those material attachments. In one word is that, see your material attachments and the things that, so-called, comfort you. You should only seek the comfort of your Self. And only the praise of your Mother is going to comfort your Self, take it from Me, which is told by Adi Shankaracharya long time back. And I wish you would understand that, that there’s nothing else that is going to comfort your soul. Forget all about these things, even if you have to walk – go on singing the praise, finished. You’ll not feel anything, that’s how it is going to work out. Today is the day for Me to declare certain things – as Krishna has said that, “Surrender your Self.” “Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja”. “Give up all other attachments and religions” – religions means the temperaments that svabhava, the ones you have developed – “and surrender unto Me”. Surrender unto Me, surrender unto Me. This is what you have to understand, otherwise it’s not going to work out – haphazard ways, half ways – it’s not going to work out. This, if you learn, you have solved the problem. We should not do during the Puja – after the Puja we’ll have the photographs so that you concentrate on the Puja, all right? Now today, because it is a Krishna’s Jayanti, I thought that we should have a Gita for you, and I’ve told him to read Gita, so that when all these things are done, your attention should be on Gita, what he reads. He has to read it loudly and ... Where is the water? No, not that, for washing the Feet. Now put the three leaves. You see, you put the three leaves. Big leaves, under that, under that, under the kumbha. No, no, under the coconut. Other way round, under the coconut. I think too big are alright, these ones are alright. Three ones, yes, these dark, dark ones are alright, three. Yes now, put it on top here. Now, before he reads Gita, I will tell you the basics of these two chapters which one should understand. Is, first is Sankhya yoga, Sankhya. Sankhya means Sahaja Yoga, we can say, but Sahaja Yoga is a combination of Karma Yoga and Sankhya Yoga: is both. The first part of Sankhya Yoga... The first part of Sahaja Yoga is that you get your Realization. That means your awareness is to be enlightened, you should have the knowledge to begin with: that is Sankhya Yoga, that you meditate and you achieve your Realization is the first part, is Sankhya Yog. That is the first thing Krishna has said that you achieve. Then the Karma Yoga is – actually should start after that. That is Karma Yoga. And whatever He said about Karma Yoga is actually after Sankhya Yoga has to be [there]. Sankhya Yoga is the first thing He preached and then He said about Karma Yoga; that you cannot do Karma Yoga before Sankhy. Yog. But this is a trick of Shri Krishna. So, those who try to do Karma Yoga before Sankhya Yoga are mistaken people. Moreover, He has tried to show that there are no two things: they are one. But they get two, become two because, if you put the Karma Yoga first, and then the Sankhya Yoga, it would be like, say a telephone which is not connected: you go on telephoning. That telephoning is Karma Yoga and then you’ do the connection, so this is wasted, and that is wasted. So what you do is to first of all connect, and then you do the Karma Yoga, so both things become one. All right? Once you understand that without connection, you cannot see your Ego, you cannot see your Super-ego, you’ll go on with your ego all the time, and you’re not aware of it at all. I mean, with Sahaja Yoga also you do, but with Sahaja Yoga at least you get aware of your Ego, you get aware of your Super-ego. So, first you do Sankhya Yog and then Karma Yog, is the thing that He’s trying to say and, whatever He has said in Karma Yoga is after Realization, after Sankhya Yoga. So, first He talked of Sankhya Yoga then [UNCLEAR]. Now, He says that those who talk of them separate are not wise, that’s how He neutralizes. But He has created this mystery 6.000 years back, because He wanted people to go around the world, you see? Because they wouldn’t understand; let them telephoning – go on telephoning, telephoning, telephoning. If you tell them, “Don’t do it,” they’ll be angry: their ego will come up. So He said, “All right, go on telephoning, telephoning, telephoning, then when you’ll be tired, you don’t get any connection, then you’ll come back and you’ll say, ‘Mother, it has not worked out’, then the Mother will be here and She’ll tell the Truth.” That’s why these six thousand years you have been telephoning, telephoning, telephoning. And that telephoning is Bhakti Yoga but that is, comes the third stage. First you get your Realization, secondly you work it out, perfect it and then indulge into Bhakti, into joy. Now, these are in three stages: first you get your knowledge – means your intelligence on your brain and that part, the Virata, [UNCLEAR Sanskrit?]. Means you achieve the Sat; Sat part of it – the Truth. Then second, you do the attention: Chitta – action. That’s Karma Yoga. And third, you do Bhakti, is the joy. Enjoy: you sing and praise, that’s all. Is combined like that. So, He has put three things – actually they are one, stage by stage. But for befooling people, He said, “You can do anything before” – I don’t know if He has said it, but He might have said it: He’s very clever. So what to do? People don’t want to take by stages, you see. They want to do first of all; I have seen many people who would like to ‘do’ Sahaja Yoga more than achieve it. All right, so now in these two chapters, you will find out. Now, when He says “Yogi”, it means Sahaja Yogi, all right? Now, can somebody – who is going to wash My feet today? Somebody from here. Now you need not, we have just now in My presence. Now please don’t pay attention to yourself. (Inaudible because some sound covers the voice). But surrender yourself. Alright? Now. Now, who is from this place? Come along. Now, who else? Come forward, come along, come along. Rachel and all these people. Come along. Where is your husband? Come, you should sit forward. Come along, come along, come along. All of you should be in front. Come forward, you come forward all of you, you all come forward. Specially those who have not yet washed My feet and all that should be forward. Come along. I would suggest that let somebody else, let Warren read it. Alright, and you do the washing and all. Come along. Use that. Come along Warren, come. It is to be – it’s in English language, it’s alright. Do it loudly. You missed time there, or somewhere? (Warren: “Chapter four and five, ok? Chapter four and five’. ) Shri Mataji: You can stand there, on the top of that, I don’t want to... yes, on the green one. (...) Now listen to him, that’s very important. Now, those people who are here.... Chaya? It’s here. Where is she? Alright. No, where will you throw it? (Yogi: We are going to wash it onto the tree.) Shri Mataji: Alright, come along. Little more. Now you read it, fourth chapter and fifth. [Warren starts reading, Shri Mataji sometimes comments some parts while Her feet are being washed] Chapter 4: Warren: Shri Bhagavan said: I taught this immortal yoga to Vivasvan, the sun god. Shri Mataji: “Sun God. Now who is ‘Sun God’? You know Christ.” Warren: Vivaswan conveyed it to Manu, his son, and Manu imparted it to his son, Isvaku. Thus handed down from father to son, Arjuna, this yoga remained known to the Raja Rishis. By great influx of time, however, it has more or less disappeared. The same ancient yoga as this has been imparted to you by Me because you are My devotee and friend, and also because this is a supreme secret. Shri Mataji: Now see, He told it to only Arjuna, to nobody else. This is not a mass thing, it’s only individualistic. Warren: Arjuna said: “You are of recent origin, while the birth of Vivaswan...” Shri Mataji: “This is quite a, quite a common thought – ‘You are a recent origin’. Me too, they think so.” Warren: ...while the birth of Vivaswan dates back to antiquity. How then am I to understand that you taught at the beginning of creation?” Shri Bhagavan said: “Arjuna, you and I have passed through many births. I know them all, while you do not, O chastiser of foes. Though unborn and immortal, also the Lord of all beings, I manifest Myself through My own Yogamaya, or divine potency, keeping My nature... Shri Mataji: “Where ‘I’ is, you should know this is Me, all right? Then you’ll understand.” Warren: ... keeping My nature completely under control. Arjuna, whenever there is decline of righteousness and unrighteousness is in the ascendant, then I body Myself forth. For the protection of the virtuous, for the destruction of the evil-doers, and for the establishment of Dharma on a firm footing I am born again from age to age. Arjuna, My birth and activities are divine, he who knows this in reality does not take birth again on leaving his body but attains Me. Completely rid of passion, fear and anger, wholly absorbed in Me, depending on Me and purified by the penance of wisdom, many have become one with Me... Warren: ... purified by the penance of wisdom, many have become one with Me even in the past. Arjuna, howsoever men approach Me, even so do I seek them, for all men follow My path from all sides. In this mortal world, men seeking the fruition of their activities worship the gods, so success born of action follows quickly. The four orders of society, namely the Brahman, the Khatriya, the Vaisyas and the Sudra were created classifying them according to their prenatal qualities... Shri Mataji:- That’s their aptitudes, aptitudes. Warren: And apportioning corresponding duties to them. Shri Mataji: Brahmanas are the ones who are seekers of God. Warren: “Though the author of this creation, know Me, the immortal Lord, to be a non-doer. Since I have no cravings for the fruits of actions, actions do not contaminate Me. Even he who does know Me, in reality is not bound by actions. Having known thus, action was performed even by the ancient seekers of salvation. Therefore, do you also perform such actions as were performed by the ancients in the former times. Even the wise are at a loss to know what is action and what is inaction. Therefore I shall expound to you the truth about action, knowing which you will be freed from its evil effects. Shri Mataji: “Now this is after Realization, you try to understand. So.” Warren: The truth about action must be known, and the truth of prohibited action must also be known. Even so the truth about inaction must be known. So the mysterious are the ways of action. He who sees inaction in action and action in inaction is wise among men. He is a yogi who has accomplished all action. He whose undertakings are all free from desire and thoughts of the world, and whose actions are burnt up by the fire of wisdom, him even the wise call a sage. He who having totally given up attachments to actions and their fruits... Shri Mataji: This is for you people. Warren: ...has got over the dependence on the world and is ever satisfied, does nothing at all, though he may be ever engaged in action. He who has subdued his mind and his body, has given up all objects of enjoyment and has no cravings, performing sheer bodily action, such a person does not incur sin. He who is contented with whatever he has got and unsought, is free from jealous and has transcended all pairs of opposites, such as joy and grief, and is balanced in success and failure. Such a karma yogi, though acting, is not bound. He whose attachment has gone, whose mind is established in knowledge and who acts for the sake of sacrifice, all actions of that liberated man melt away. Shri Mataji: “‘The liberated man’: now you see, the fools who don’t understand this – without liberation, they start doing all this action; you cannot do it. Warren: The sacrificing which they ... in which the oblation is poured is Brahma, the oblation itself is Brahma, even so the act of pouring the same into the fire which is again Brahma, by the sacrificer who is himself Brahma, surely is the goal to be reached by him who is absorbed in such sacrifices Brahma is also Brahma... – “Brahma is all-pervading power, you can say.” Warren: Is the absolute. Shri Mataji: Divine love is Brahma. Warren: Other yogis offer sacrifice in the shape of worship to the gods, others pour into the fire of Brahma, others sacrifice in the shape of the Self, through the sacrifice known as the perception of identity. Others offer as sacrifice.. Shri Mataji: Now you understand? W... others offer as sacrifice their senses of hearing, into the fires of self-control. Other yogis again offer sound and other objects of perception into the fires of the senses. Others sacrifice all the functions of their senses, and functions of the vital airs into the fire of Yoga, in the shape of the self- control, which is kindled by wisdom. Some perform sacrifice with material things, some offer sacrifice in the shape of penances, others sacrifice through the practice of Yoga, while striving souls observing austere vows perform the sacrifice of wisdom through the study of the sacred texts. Shri Mataji: All these things you can do. Warren: Other yogis offer the prana, breath, into the aprana, even so others the aprana into the prana. There are still others given to the practice of pranayama, or breath control, who having regulated their diet and control the course both of the prana and the aprana airs, pour their life-breaths into life-breaths. All these have their sins destroyed by sacrifice and know the truth about sacrifice. Arjuna, yogis who partake of the nectar in the form of the remains of sacrifice attain the eternal Brahma. To the man who does not offer sacrifice even this world is not happy. How then can the other world be happy? Many such forms of sacrifice have been set forth in detail through the mouth of the Vedas. Know them all has begotten the reactions of the body, the mind and the senses. Thus, knowing the truth about them you shall be freed from the bondage of karma, through their practice. Arjuna, sacrifice in the form of knowledge is superior to sacrifice performed with material things. For all actions without exception culminate in knowledge, O son of Kunthi. Attain this knowledge by all means, if you prostrate yourself at the feet of the wise, render them all forms of service and question them with a guiltless heart, again and again, those wise seers of truth will unfold that knowledge to you. Arjuna, acquiring that knowledge you will no more be subjected to delusion like this. And through it you will see all beings first in your own Self and then in Me. Even if you are the most sinful of all sinners, you will cross over all the sin by the raft of knowledge. For as the blazing fire reduces the fuel to ashes, Arjuna, even so the fire of knowledge reduces all actions to ashes. In this world there is no purifier like knowledge. He who has attained purity of heart through the practice of karma yoga, automatically realizes it in the self in course of time. He who has fully controlled his senses, is exclusively devoted to spiritual practice and is full of faith, attains knowledge. Having gained knowledge he immediately attains supreme peace in the form of God Realization. He who lacks discrimination, is devoid of faith, and is possessed by doubt, is lost to the spiritual part. Shri Mataji: Here He says possessed by what is in the Supra-conscious. W.: For the doubting soul in particular, there is neither this world nor the world beyond, nor even happiness. Arjuna, he who has dedicated all his actions to God according to the spirit of karma yoga, whose doubts have been dispelled by wisdom and who is self-possessed, actions do not bind him. Shri Mataji: “‘Self-possessed’ – possessed by Self.” W.: Therefore Arjuna, cutting asunder with the sword of knowledge this doubt in your heart born of ignorance, establish yourself in karma yoga, in the form of evermindedness, and stand up for the fight. Chapter five. Arjuna said: Krishna, You extol Sankhya Yoga, the yoga of knowledge. And then the yoga of action. Pray, tell me which of the two is decidedly better. Shri Bhagavan said: the yoga of knowledge and the yoga of action both lead to supreme bliss. Of the two however the yoga of action, being easier to practice, is superior to the yoga of knowledge. The karma yogi, who neither hates nor desires, should be ever considered a sannyasi. For, Arjuna, he who has transcended the pairs of opposites, is easily freed from bondage. It is the ignorant, not the wise, who say that Sankhya Yoga and Karma Yoga are productive of divergent results. The one who is firmly established in either gets the fruit of both, namely God Realization. Shri Mataji: Means, supposing you are Realized a little bit, not much. In the sense that you haven’t touched suddenly the highest, which happens. Most of the people that you are, it happens that your achievement, with your Kundalini, is not of the ultimate. So, when you do Karma Yoga, which is easier, through which you achieve. Sankhya Yoga can be that you achieve your Realization; you meditate in the jungles, go stay there, keep away from all the worldly things, meditate, meditate, meditate and try to rise. But such people are absolutely useless, I have seen. My own experience is that such people are useless for all worldly things: they cannot be compassionate; they cannot come down from their levels. When they come down, they again get contaminated. So, the second thing is very easy: that you get your Realization and start on the Karma Yoga, cleansing yourself. Once you have done your cleansing, you achieve it because it is immune, immune to everything. W.: By the supreme state which is reached by the sankhya yogi, is attained also by the karma yogi, therefore he who sees sankhya yoga and karma yoga as one, so far as their result goes, really sees. Without karma yoga, however, sankhya yoga or renunciation of doership in relation to all activities of the mind, senses and body, is difficult to attain. Whereas the karma yogi, who keeps his mind fixed on God, reaches Brahma... Shri Mataji: Means, you don’t become a Sanyasi; now, it’s for Bala! You don’t become a Sanyasi, you work here: is easier, definite, sure-shot. W.: ... he reaches the Brahma in no time, Arjuna. The karma yogi who has fully conquered his mind and subdued his senses, whose heart is pure and who has identified his self with the self of all beings, remains unaffected even though he is performing action. The sankhya yogi, however, who knows the reality of things, even though seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, going, sleeping, breathing, speaking, passing urine and stools, taking and opening or closing the eyes, must believe that he does nothing, holding that it is the senses that are acting on the sense objects. He who acts offering all actions to God and shaking off attachment, remains untouched by sin as the lotus leaf by water. The karma yogis perform action only with their senses, mind, intellect and body as well, withdrawing the feeling of meum in respect to them and shaking off attachment simply for the sake of self-purification. Offering the fruits of action to God the karma yogi attains peace in the shape of God-realization... Shri Mataji: “This is only possible after Realization; how can you offer action? Fruit of action – you cannot.” W.: Only then he attains peace in the shape of God-realization. Whereas he who works for the selfish motive, being attached to the fruit of action through desire, gets tied down. The self-controlled sankhya yogi, doing nothing himself and getting nothing done by others, rests happily in God, mentally relegating all actions to the city of nine gates, the body with nine holes. The Lord determines not the doership nor the doing of beings nor even their contact with the fruits of actions. It is nature that functions deriving its motive power from God. The Omnipresent Lord does not partake of the virtue or sin of anyone. Knowledge is enveloped in ignorance, hence it is that beings are constantly falling into a prey to delusion. Shri Mataji: See, ‘Prey to a delusion’ – and delusion, if identified with yourself, then God save you. Again, it comes to Me, but what to do? ‘God save you’ means also I have to do it!” (Laughs) W.: In the case however of those whose said ignorance has been destroyed by the knowledge of God, that wisdom shining like the sun reveals the Supreme. Those whose mind and intellect are wholly merged in Him, who are constantly established in identity with Him, and are exclusively devoted to Him, their sins being wiped out by wisdom, go to whence there is no return. The wise look with the same eye on a Brahman endowed with learning and culture, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a pariah. Even here is the mortal plane conquered by those whose mind is established in equanimity, since the Absolute is free from blemish and equanimous, hence they are established in the eternal. He who with reason firm and free from doubt rejoices not on obtaining what is agreeable, and does not feel perturbed on meeting with the unpleasant, that knower of Brahma lives eternally in identity with It. He whose mind remains unattached to external enjoyment, derives through meditation the unmixed joy which is inherent in the soul. Then that yogi, having completely identified himself through meditation with Brahma, enjoys eternal bliss. The pleasures which are born of sense contacts are verily sources of pain, though appearing as enjoyable to worldly-minded people. They have a beginning and an end, they come and they go. Arjuna, it is for this reason that wise man does not indulge in them. He who is able to stand here on earth, before casting off his body, the urges of lust and anger, he is the yogi: a harmonized soul, he is the happy man. He who is happy within himself, enjoys within himself the delight of the soul, and even so is illumined by the inner light, or the light of the soul, such a yogi, or a sankhya yogi, identified with Brahma attains the Brahma who is all peace. The seers whose sins have been washed away, whose doubts have been dispelled by knowledge, whose mind is firmly established in God and who are actively engaged in promoting the welfare of all beings, attain Brahma who is all peace. To those wise men who are free from lust and anger, who have subdued their mind and have realized God, Brahma, the abode of the eternal peace, is present all around. Shutting off the thoughts of external sense enjoyments, with the eyes fixed on the space between the eyebrows, having equalized the prana and apana breaths – outwardly and inwardly – flowing within the nostrils, he who has brought his senses, mind and reason under control, such a contemplative soul, intent on liberation, and free from desire, fear and anger, is ever liberated. Having known Me in reality as the enjoyer of sacrifices and the austerities... Shri Mataji: Now, this part of Hatha Yoga we have not yet started in Sahaja Yoga, but I will start it gradually. Because the tendency, in the West specially, is to go to extremes, so I don’t want to do it, you see. W.: Having known Me in reality as the enjoyer of sacrifices and austerities, the supreme Lord of all the worlds and the disinterested friend of all beings, My devotee attains peace. Shri Mataji: I hope you have followed it now, you see? So, Sankhya and these things you should clearly understand, and is a very good way of understanding what is expected of you – to have the bliss. And what is to be done is first of all to get your Realization and then become Karma Yogi. Work it out on Karma Yoga: means you do not become a Sanyasi, don’t run away from this world, settle down somewhere else. Because it will be very difficult: you go out of this world, stay somewhere, and when you come back again you become a bhoot. So what’s the use? Instead of that, work it out here and perfect it. So, this is Karma Yoga. That’s why we don’t like Sanyasis here, because Sanyasis are a different style; they are ascetics, so called. They are really not ascetics, but possessed ascetics. So we have to first bring them in the center and to understand they are in center where they have given up the duality – extreme of this and that. They have to check it all the time and, when I am here, you should check it. For example, now some people are performing Puja in Scotland; they said so. I mean, whose Puja are you perform[ing] – My photograph? [ie they’re doing Puja to the photograph, not to Mother]. Can’t you perform your Puja here for Scotland? But I delude. They were not to be here for such an important Puja: I delude, I do it. I have told you I am Mahamaya. That’s how they were deluded with the idea that they will perform My Puja in Scotland for Scotland. What is the need to go to Scotland? Can’t you perform it here? I mean, I am here, why shouldn’t you be here? But when they asked Me I said, “All right, if you want to do it, you can do it.” Sometimes, for some people, My photograph is more important than Me. Imagine the delusions! Yes, so many are like that. And then they’ll say, “Mother, we did the Puja and then this thing happened.” The delusions must show themselves. Now who else is coming after that? [People keep coming to wash Shri Mataji’s Feet] Now, somebody can read Devi’s names? Eleven names, or, say, hundred and eight names? Who can read? Now read, anyone from your group. You can do it. Hundred and eight names, yes. You do it while they are washing. Who are washing? Have you done it? Come along. Rub it, rub it hard, rub it hard, is to pour water. Very good. Rub it hard, pour more water, take more water from there. (To somebody:) The sari’s looking nice, Phyllis. But you must learn how to wear it, alright? Ask Chaya how to do it. That’s all, good. May God bless you. Where is he gone? Good. Now, who else? Rub it hard, hard. Rub it hard, very hard. My feet are very strong. Yesterday there were two people, (...) ladies: they got exhausted while ... (She laughs) Rub it hard! Just see which ones are the twenty-one names of the Goddess? (Yogi: Hundred and eight names?”) But it is better to have it in English. Somebody can do it in Sanskrit and somebody can... but very difficult. You’ve got two books, is it? (Yogi: That’s Devi Mahatmya, this is Lalita Sahasranama...) Hundred and eight names we do it from here. [End of audio recording]

8/17/1981

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Seeking the Light

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“Seeking the Light,” Caxton Hall, London (UK), 17 August 1981. I must thank Warren for such a nice speech that he has given and all the Australians the way they have taken to Sahaj Yoga. They are all westernised in every sense of the word but there’s something about them where I feel that they are very quick at knowing the truth. I don’t know how. They are not that adamant against the truth. This opening somehow I found. Seeking is everywhere very strong I feel: America, England, Europe. Everywhere the seeking is very strong no doubt, so there are seekers. Of course there is also a fashion of seeking apart from that. There are real seekers, no doubt about it. And as he said that ego-orientation is one of the characters in the West. That also, one would say, that it is more now in the developing countries because they are supposed to be developing. But the way these people have a special capacity to see the truth, to see the truth, is a very big thing. Even if you are a developing country or a developed country, if you cannot perceive the truth, you cannot assimilate it. That perception somehow, most surprisingly, I found in Australia: most surprising. Now for example in England I worked very hard, no doubt, for years together. People are hard nuts, you can say; and once they are cracked they are wonderful scholars. They know how to completely sort it out with their brains, everything is there. But there are very few people who do that. At the time of Christ, you can see, how many could recognise Him? Not even one, not even one, believe me. Except for John the Baptist, of course he was a realised-soul. So, I mean he should not be in the question. The rest of them were just sticking on to Him somehow, as He said, “They had to stick on to me for some time.” And till He got His resurrection, they could not see the truth at all. To perceive it itself is a very big blessing I think. And I do not know why people cannot perceive it because I cannot go to the other side and see myself what the problem is? For example in this country or in the West, on the whole, the false people have come. They have minted money. They have palaces and they have huge big aircrafts and they have a retinue of things and immense wealth they have collected out of the people who are supposed to be westernised. But Sahaj Yoga, you will be amazed [that] even to crack a journalist is a headache for me. A journalist doesn’t have time for me at all. It’s impossible to go and talk to any newspaper person, leave alone any television or anything like that. Radio is an impossibility here. Can you imagine! With all these facilities God has given you, for spreading the message fast for the wider world. But it is impossible: you can’t talk to them. But let some fake person come in: he’s there; he’s on the television, he’s on the radio. Pope will come and see him. Your Archbishop of Canterbury will go and touch his feet. And he’s a fake, absolute fake! Why? The only thing is that we are very money oriented. They come out with their money. They provide lot of money for publication. They take money and they use it. I mean if Christ was to be here, I tell you, He would have no place. Even a mic (microphone) would have been difficult for Him, being a carpenter’s son. Sometimes I find it an impossible situation to tell them that after all how are you impressed by these people who are taking such a lot of money out of you in the name of God? One has to think about it, that it is so money oriented that any man who comes with money impresses people. Amazing in the country which is so affluent! They are suffering from affluence, that’s their disease. And there they are impressed by people who are using money as a purpose of propaganda of God Almighty. Imagine the absurdity! I don’t know what happens to their brains? This time I went to Edinburgh and people told me that most of the young people are disciples of a person who will not even be liked by the servants of India, take it from me. Even our servants will take money to go to him. He doesn’t know good English, even up to that point you can say. He doesn’t know anything, how to talk to people. He says he’s fourteen year old which he’s not. He’s married an eight-year-old girl. I mean all kinds of things! He asked for Rolls Royces: he has fifty-eight, he wanted a fifty-ninth so they starved themselves and collected money and gave him the fifty-ninth. You the English have done it, take it from me. Can you believe this stupidity? They have starved themselves and have done it. They are seekers, seekers of what? Of giving Rolls Royce to this man? I mean I just can’t understand: how can it go to that stupid level? But that’s what I feel that, in Australia people have not accepted anyone like that there. They have not accepted. They are still you see, they did this, they did that, He did everything, Warren, Mahikari, this, that; he did everything that is possible under the sun. They know all the gurus, all the gurus have gone to Australia and they didn’t accept anyone; that’s the main point. All the time they are shaky like this and as soon as they saw the truth they jumped on to it. We have to understand that Spirit cannot be related to money by any chance. It has nothing to do [with money]. Christ was a son of a carpenter. Just think of that. He, the owner of all the properties of the world, was born as a poor man. And how can you relate this to money, I just fail to understand. And this little truth Australians knew. And I wish the English, the Americans and the Europeans [would] take out their attention from money and the comfort so called that money gives you; [because then] I am sure, I am sure this country will rise. It has to rise. It has to rise. Unless and until England rises, the world cannot rise. This is a definite thing. Absolutely it is as definite as anything. England has to rise first because it is the heart of the Universe. And the English Sahaj Yogis have to also awaken to their responsibilities, which is very important. I will give all my blood, all my energies, all that is possible under the sun to awaken this country to its responsibility as a Spiritual nature, as the Spiritual being, as the Spiritual heart, as the donor of blood, all over. And this is what saddens me to see how people are drowning themselves into some sort of an illusion and are not being able to see the truth. Now as he has told you, that Sahaj Yoga is fantastic, no doubt about it; because you are fantastic yourself! You are the Spirit; you are the Spirit. You have to just become the Spirit is the point. Once you become the Spirit you are dynamic; not [only] dynamic but you are the master of everything, you can control things, you can enjoy everything, you become blissful. You can do such a lot because you are the Spirit and you have become the Spirit. It is as simple as that. God Almighty has placed this power within us at the triangular bone, it exits there. It has to just rise and give you a real baptism by which you feel your Spirit [for the] first time where it flows like cool breeze in the hand; as simple as that. Now this happening is a very, very strong happening. For some people it’s a very strong happening, first day; because you are seekers. You are seekers. Believe me you are seekers of thousands of years, born in this country to get what you have been seeking. But what do we expect? I wish he had not mentioned you the word puja because it can again give you the thing that it is sort of some one-person business. It’s not that. Warren says puja because all these centres have got Deities. Especially this centre is the centre of Christ. You have to make these Deities within you happy and awaken them. And that awakening must take place, you must understand, where these Deities exist. And these Deities are nothing but are incarnations of God’s aspect. Like you can say Christ incarnated, who is placed at this point where the optic chiasma is, between the pituitary and pineal body. And when Christ is awakened, when He gets into action within you, then your two things that are shown there — the blue and the yellow, the blue is the superego and yellow is the ego — are sucked in. Means all your karmas, all your doings, your ego and superego are sucked in. That means He has crucified Himself in such a way that He has made within us a passage. When He’s awakened, He sucks that and all our sins — sins are nothing but conditionings and other things that we have got within us. Everything is sucked in. When it is sucked in, then only the Kundalini can rise above that. Now Sahaj Yogis know that Christ is one of the aspects, is the son aspect of God. And there are aspects where He’s a creator, where He’s a sustainer, where He’s a Master and where He is the Witness. All these things, people never gave chance to Him to speak. Now I have been speaking for seven years in this country. But for four years I could have hardly spoken even twice or thrice, because I was struggling with six of them. So we can imagine. You gave Him only three years — or at the most four years — to speak about these things; and how many things He has spoken and how many of these people who were supposed to be his disciples have written down, God alone knows. And whatever they have communicated is so limited that it has created problems for you. But, every sentence, every word that He has spoken is so deep and you can only understand it when you get your Realisation. When there is no light what’s the use of telling you there are these pictures; there are flowers there and this picture there, and this is the colour of the paper that is put on these walls? What’s the use? There is no light to see. And when you get the light, I don’t have to tell you. As He (Warren) said, “The knowledge starts trickling within you, automatically.” You are that Spirit and unless and until that Spirit is manifested what else are you seeking? A guru says, “I do this thing, I do that thing.” All right so what? What about us? What have got from this gentleman? What has he given us? You must find out — his disciples are there. For example they went to Ganeshpuri, and there everybody was jumping: ‘Ha, ha, ha, hu, hu,’ taking out clothes and I don’t know [what]. And then taking all kinds of drugs and this and that. For jumping you don’t pay, you can jump without paying! And [for] drugs also they had to pay. Even without payment he could not produce any drugs. So one should understand that this kind of a nonsense and tomfoolery is mockery of yourself! It’s just mockery. You are that dignified, magnificent thing, which is the Spirit. And you are befooled by these people. You should see this much at least: that anyone who has given any powers to another person should be accepted, isn’t it? I mean supposing somebody says that a particular thing is very good, say this kind of a lamp is very good. Then you see at least how it works? If the one who says, “You see the lamp.” You must at least see the disciples of these gurus and then decide. This is very much lacking. Like sheep they follow and they fall into horrible ditches — doesn’t matter as far as God is concerned He’s bent upon saving His Creation. He’s bent upon it: He will do it whatever you may try to destroy. You try your level best to destroy yourself and destroy the world that He has created. But He is all-powerful. He is all forgiving. He is all compassion. He is going to save you whatever you may try! Try your level best! But for a change why not try to save yourself and save others? This is what one has to see. Now when listening to me also, you should doubt; because you are in free condition. You are not mesmerised by me. If I was a real mesmeriser you could not have asked me any questions. You all would have fallen straight at my feet. There would have been no questioning at all because there are thousands who are doing that stupidly. But you are free. You are free to doubt, no doubt. But doubting what? One has to think, “What are we doubting?” As he said, “I am the most expensive person.” It makes me laugh, because you cannot pay for it. It’s so expensive that all your banks drained out cannot pay for it. All your wealth that you have here so-called wealth that you have accumulated cannot purchase it. It’s so expensive. It is invaluable. It’s the richest thing in the world, that cannot be purchased by any riches. It is, no doubt. But it’s not exclusive. It’s meant for everyone. The doors are open now for everyone. Now don’t you worry. Don’t count your sins and your guilts and this and that. Forget that! It’s the Grace that itself is anxious, as I told you; and you all ought to get your Realisation and should grow into it. You will enjoy the complete bliss of your being which is so beautiful. Like a diamond it is sparkling. Only thing, you have to just unveil it. And that is not difficult for you, not at all difficult. Now the things that he has told about the physical side, that’s the minimum that should happen to you. That’s the minimum of minimum that should happen to anyone who comes to Sahaj Yog. Because if you are the temple of God then it has to be cleansed before God is established within you. Before the Deity is sparkled in you, it has to be cleansed. So the cleansing takes place automatically you don’t have to worry about that; that’s automatic. Even a thing like cancer can be cured in no time. And cancer can only be cured by Sahaj Yog, by nothing else, take it from me. It cannot be cured. It may be that you may lose your throat, sometimes nose, sometimes ears, and you may continue with the doctors. But [here], with cancer, you live in one body and get cured. And there are some cancer patients here, sitting down. They perhaps do not know and some of them know also, and have been completely cured by Sahaj Yog. The reason is that your body is just ready, is waiting for that moment when you get the light. As soon as you get the light immediately you know where is the problem and you start correcting it. Once you start correcting it…it’s not you, but this power corrects it. Imagine this [electric] light not only enlightens the room but also corrects it. Think of such a thing that is God’s love: that it loves you, it coordinates everything, it makes you cooperate and it blesses you with the highest. This All-pervading Power has been described in the scriptures. Everybody said, “There is All-pervading Power.” Now you might say, “Where is it? We can’t see. How are we to believe?” Now as I always give an example of a television, which I saw first time when it came to India. That in a village people were told that there is an ether around us and there are lots of dramas and music and plays going on. They said, “How can we believe it?” So they just put the television to the mains and it started working, fantastically. And they were amazed and they had to believe that it’s coming — there’s no other connection [that] is coming — through this. That’s what it is. You are an instrument, exquisitely made, beautifully, delicately constructed, just for this happening. Of course you have ruined it; so many have ruined it no doubt; you have tried in your childishness. Doesn’t matter; makes no difference. You will get your Realisation. You should have no worry on that point. That’s my worry. Once you get your Realisation then you can give Realisation to others. Now about the lady that he told who got well and was very sick. I must tell you that first of all she was very, very sick and she was about to die. I was not there at that time. Actually these people were there. Warren didn’t want to say, out of humility I think. These people went there and put my photograph there and gave her vibrations. And she came to consciousness and they were surprised. The one, who was going to die, has been declared, ‘going to die very soon,’ came to consciousness. And they then thought there’s something great about it. Then they came away. Still the doctors couldn’t believe it. And the relations also said, “How can that be? What is it?” She again went into coma, when I was there. But a gentleman, who was related to her, was connected with newspapers. Somehow it worked out and he published a lot that we have proof to believe that Sahaj Yoga can cure people. And that’s how it started and that’s how it worked out. But the first thing was done by Warren and company, not by Mataji. So they themselves had the powers to cure, to give Realisation, to do all that I can do; and that’s what it is: that once you are enlightened you should manifest your own powers. Otherwise the rest of the thing is nothing but a joke. You jump or you stand on your heads: that you can always do what is so great about it? If it is some God’s grace has to come upon you then you must manifest something special; not only curing but raising of the Kundalini. Now this triangular bone is called as ‘sacrum’, meaning sacred bone. That means these people, who have given the name to it, long time back, must have known that this is a sacred bone, otherwise why did they call it ‘sacrum’? But I think that knowledge was lost in Latin, in no way must have been, and the knowledge was lost and that’s how they do not know, they just call it a sacrum. Now you can see, with your naked eyes, the pulsation of the Kundalini and rising. You can feel the pulsation on your head when it comes there and afterwards you find, completely, it has become quiet. As soon as it becomes quiet, you start feeling in the hands. Of course this [Vishuddhi] centre should be all right. If this centre is not all right you don’t feel in the hands but you feel on the head. This centre is to be corrected then, then you can feel in your hands. Now this you can do yourself when you are realised. It's not only me, you can do it also. In Australia, if there are two thousand people who have got Realisation, I could have given only to about five hundred, the rest are done by these people only. You people can give Realisation. But [the] difference in Australia and here is that if an English Sahaj Yogi tries to talk to someone about Sahaj Yoga, the person says, “You are not supposed to discuss religion!” I mean that’s an etiquette, it is supposed to be! You can’t discuss religion. You can’t discuss God. So they run away. [It’s] hard to get even two people in, to talk about Sahaj Yog. This is the problem, otherwise all of them are capable of giving Realisation. Now Douglas who is sitting here talked to David Prole and knew that he was doing TM and he told him off. And here talking to him, David Prole feeling heated up, absolutely boiling, and he was perspiring! It’s a fact. And when he came to the thing, now he’s got Realisation, he is giving Realisation to people; when he got cured. I mean you don’t need much brains for that, you don’t need any accessories of the world which are regarded as very practical. I would say that Douglas at that time was one of the most impractical people: he had taken drugs and he had taken all these things; and there are many who were like this: some were, some had come from lunatic asylum and they started giving Realisation! The other day in Norwich there were three persons sitting in [the] front row and were all shaking up before me. I said, “Now from where these have come?” I asked them from where they had come: they said, “We have come from lunatic asylum and we are certified mad people!” I said, “You are certified and you are here? How are you here? I mean if you are certified mad you are not supposed to be here!” They said, “One person came to my program and got well. So the authorities have sent us here for getting well, so we are here!” (Laughter) And I won’t be surprised that these three may start a Sahaj Yoga centre in Norwich, very soon. But I said, “You better return the certificates to them!” It is such a great thing: you can imagine certified mad people getting Realisation and starting a Sahaj Yoga centre! There are people who were cancer patients, who got Realisation and have started a Sahaj Yoga centre. So you can imagine how tremendous are the powers of God and how carefully He has made us to be that Spirit. We have no idea; we have no esteem about ourselves. We do not know what [a] great thing we are and what we have to achieve and what we have to enjoy. Actually He’s such a gracious Father, He’s so generous and He’s so loving that He wants to share His joy with you. He wants you to enter into the kingdom of God and to enjoy that bliss, that happiness, that freedom which has been promised to you in all the scriptures. It’s as simple as that. It is so simple that I don’t know how I have given four-hundred lectures about such a simple thing like Self-realisation! And they say they are all wonderful and one is better than the other. But today’s lecture has been a more of an introduction because according to them there are many new people today. Whatever it is, I would like to allow you to ask me some questions. And everybody should admit that new people should ask questions and Sahaj Yogis should not feel upset about it. Because sometimes you know the questions can be very aggressive and they get upset. But there should be nothing to worry about it. It's all right your Mother knows how to handle everything. So nothing to be upset about it because they have already passed strictures saying that, “No questions will be allowed to ask to Mother!” See if I am a Mother and if I have patience, if I have love, then you should not worry. You should not worry about it at all. I have to manage all of them. Sometimes in the beginning everybody is like that. Just now Warren has told you how he was, because he was made to sleep on the cement — I mean he was not made but he slipped out you see — and next day he was down with very great agitation and he was going back to Australia. But I caught hold of his shirt, I said, “Can you wait for sometime let’s see it might work out.” So it is like that. It’s a very sweet thing you know. And I know that children have a right to get angry with Mother. But not too much of it, because after all you are here for a purpose and that purpose must be fulfilled. That’s why I am here. May God bless you all. Now, I would like to have really some questions because sometimes these questions also help a lot for me to understand what the problem is. Can I have some questions please? Yes, please. Seeker: [Not Audible] Shri Mataji: Yes, Yes, what Warren has told you is a caution. But I know so many people who have got Realisation without any return, they just got it and said, “I have got it [now].” I know so many people who have got it. Warren has given you a thing of caution because he has seen some people that they drop out because Kundalini comes down and they find [it] a little frustrating. But I have all the patience and you should have patience. But I haven’t met anybody who has been with us who doesn’t feel it. You may not feel the vibrations but Realisation is there, because when you put your hand on your head you definitely get the cool breeze coming out and you give Realisations to others, that’s the proof of it. There’s someone who is always caught up on all the fingers, he feels the tingling all the time, but he gives Realisation to so many people. He has given himself [though] he’s caught up. It’s something like this, you can say: even if it’s the fifth hand car it moves, once started. You go on repairing it, but it moves, no doubt. It moves. So nothing to be upset about it. Man: When did you start (unclear)? Shri Mataji: When do we? Right now? Me? I don’t know how many thousand years! (Laughter) I was born with this. Man: That’s not an answer to the question that I’m asking. Shri Mataji: Yes, very much, very much, very much; very much realised. I was born as a real great, great-Grandmother, I tell you. I knew everything about it, from my very childhood. I was very conscious; over alert. Lady: We are always told to beware of the Kundalini. Shri Mataji: Beware? Yes beware. Beware, beware, yes it’s true. Yes, it’s correct, correct that’s true. Lady: Secondly about this because I read about you in The Observer. Shri Mataji: Yes I must tell you about that. You see the people who have written about Kundalini. I started knowing about them that there are people who have written about Kundalini. And I was amazed because they are absolutely ignorant, not only ignorant but stupid people! I don’t know from where did they get this knowledge because people do not know about this, they started printing it. Perhaps anything you can print isn’t it? I have seen such a big book where the fellow doesn’t know where the Kundalini is! He says it is in the stomach, then he says it is in the back. He doesn’t know anything. Now the trouble is this knowledge was a very secret knowledge, thousands of years back. And it started descending, this knowledge, to people very slowly. Like on a tree there’s only one flower or two flowers in the beginning. Actually Christ talked about it quite a lot. And other people like Moses and all these people have talked about it. But the ones, who wrote, never got anything, there, perhaps, so they wrote it in a very mystical way like, “I’ll appear before you like tongues of flames,” or “The tree of fire,” and all that; indicative of all that. But it so happened that in the sixth century somebody in India called as Adi Shankaracharya — He was actually Buddha reborn — He started talking about it. Self-realisation, of course Buddha talked about it. Then He started telling about these [chakras]; all these nadis and everything He described. But there is a poet in India whose name is Markandeya who has written about this. They say he was living in India about ten-thousand years back, this poet, about that time. So this knowledge was known to people but was not put down on the paper, was not circulated, was not for en-masse. Now these people who are writing about it have no knowledge, have no authority and they have tried these tricks. Actually this is the holiest of holy, the sanctum sanctorum within you. And a person who himself is authorised by God can only do it. Authorised by God, not by any theological college or all these things. It cannot be. It’s God [who] should authorise: like Christ, like John the Baptist, like Moses, like that somebody authorised by God can only do it. So these people tried the tricks, which are unauthorised, and they got the [bad] results because there’s a Deity sitting in the last chakra called as Mooladhara Chakra, which is the root, the support of the root; that chakra. He tries to excite your sympathetic by that and when the sympathetic is excited you get all these heats and this and that and the boils and all. So it is not meant for people who have no holiness in them. You have to be a holy person, who should be able to raise the Kundalini, who should be cleansed, otherwise you cannot do this work. While there are people who are connecting Kundalini — imagine! — with sex. I mean it’s an absurd thing; She’s your Mother. She is your Mother and has been your Mother all these ages. And it’s like having a dirty feeling for your Mother I would say that. It’s such a filth. So God should punish them isn’t it? That’s how they have it as a punishment. It’s not at all to be afraid of your own Mother. Will you be? I mean that’s one thing you are not afraid of, is your own Mother. Should not be. I mean modern mothers I don’t know (Laughter); but that’s what it is. It is [that] they have no knowledge. Now I must tell you that Sahaj Yoga must have given Realisation to, I don’t know how many thousands, tens of thousands of people. Of course, you may feel a little heated up; or if you are possessed you might feel a little bit shaken up. People who have been to TM, one of them jumped about twenty feet when they heard my name! All these things may happen to a few people. But such extreme cases are very rare. But nothing goes wrong. I mean you are ultimately cured of that. So you might get little effects of that, but nothing serious. I am here to look after you. On the contrary it’s very blissful, very blissful. If one does not know about something, they should not get into it, isn’t it? Any other question? But you must get it, that’s the main point. You see, this if you don’t get, you will never be a happy person. You have to get it and it is your right. It is within you why not get it? It just doesn’t cost you anything. You have to have it. But people refuse to have this. Imagine refusing to be the Spirit. Can you imagine? They are satisfied. The other day I met a lady who came and she said, “I am quite satisfied with the sinful life I lead, Mother.” I said, “Now what am I to do, if you are satisfied my child? I would only say that a day will come and you’ll come back to me, but I may not be here.” You see all these things recoil upon. [It’s] not [just] a question of sinfulness? Even a sort of a casual way towards your Spirit: if you are [only] casually interested in your Spirit it tells upon you, because Spirit resides in your heart and it recedes and you have problems, and you all get into problems with that. When they get into problems…I mean a lady who came to me, she said, “I am not interested, this that.” And she said, “I don’t want to do it.” But ultimately she got cancer. And then she came to me and she had a galloping cancer. We tried to help her, but couldn’t help her much. She died. It happens with some people that they come at a stage where we cannot help them at all. So best thing is to get your own powers of your Spirit and be all right, enjoy yourself. You don’t have to pay bills of doctors. You don’t have to worry about so many things. And automatically the whole thing works out. And also the petrol bill, as he said! (Laughter) Krishna has said, “Yoga kshema vahamyaham” Means when you have the Union, Yoga, when you become united, with that Divine Power, the well-being is looked after. I mean all the Sahaj Yogis who are here, have benefited even monetarily. Because within us lies also the power, which gives us money, which gives us well-being. There is a centre within us, which does that, and if that centre is caught up then people have problems with money; once it is cured, you don’t have. Not money as such but material life, improves definitely. Seeker: Do the chakras correspond with nerves? Shri Mataji: What did you say? Seeker: Do the chakras correspond with nerves, the central nervous system? Shri Mataji: Chakras are the essences which create our plexuses. And the plexuses are expressing the nerves. So the chakras in any case are the predecessors of the nerves, of the nervous system. They are the predecessor. They are the ones who supply the energy to the nerves. They are the ones who guide the nerves, [the] chakras. Seeker: Do they come from the astral body? Shri Mataji: Astral body? Our body is made of various cocoons we can say. We are material being or physical being, we are emotional being, we are mental being, we are spiritual being and all these are like our body. Now the astral being that you know of is actually the soul, we can say, which is this whole body without the element of Earth and Water: that’s the astral body. Now this astral body you should not worry [about] much, because that we get in any case when we die: that we are going to get it. But when we have the body then only we can get our Realisation, not in the astral sense. But people are trying lots of tricks with these astral bodies, which is a very, very dangerous thing! And it has reached such dangerous limits, because people have interest in this, that I am really shocked the way it is working out. For example: there was a couple in Switzerland that I met, and they had a relation, their mother, in America. And that lady was trying with one of these astral body persons, those who work on Spirits, and she said that I would like to talk to my grandson. And the grandson is a living child, and the child is in Switzerland. It sounds very fantastic to people. That is something great you see, the child is in there without paying any airfare you can talk to your child, grandchild. It’s very dangerous. And they used to try that on the child and the child when it would sleep in the night, it would be daytime in America. And she would talk to him through this and she would hear the voice of the child. They recorded all that. And one day this child was sleeping and he never got up, he died. And the recording said that, “It is too much strain for me, now let me go grandma, let me go, let me go!” She said, “No, no, wait for a while, wait for a while!” and this spirit controlling woman would not allow the Spirit to go back and the child died there. It’s a very common happening now that the children suddenly die in their beds. So all these tricks we should not try. Whatever is unknown is not Divine. You have the Left Side and the Right Side. This is called as the adi bhautik and adi daivik: means the collective subconscious and collective supraconscious. There are all these dead Spirits. Don’t play with them! Don’t get into this nonsense of astral body and this and that. There are some people who say that we want to separate from our body and fly in the air. Why? Why do you want to do that? You want to have your Spirit or not? If you want to have these experiences, I am not for that. And I will ban it, if you ask me! It’s absolutely horrible. Of course people take money for it and people like it to talk to spirits and this and that but is very dangerous. You should never try this with the spirits. It’s a very dangerous line when you do not know about it, one should not get to it. I have known people who have practiced these things: their great grand children are suffering, seven generations they suffer, seven generations [for] those who even practice it! So it’s a very dangerous game, one should never play it. What is the need? You should live in the present not in the future, or not in the past. It’s the present you have to achieve. So you just don’t worry about these things. You become your Spirit. You are to be born again and that should happen to you; which should be an actualisation that should actually happen to you. And what these Gurus are doing is nothing but putting these Spirits in you and are mesmerising you. That’s how you behave like this: you are no more yourself, you are something else. This is the trick of the trade. They are all using you for their own purposes by just mesmerising and mesmerism is manifested by using the spirits, which they are controlling. Especially for Christians it is forbidden. But I don’t know how they don’t understand. So let’s have the experience now. It’s just a split of a second needed for that; a split of a second. But it depends on, if the landings are very good you won’t feel anything else but the cool breeze suddenly. But if it is not a smooth landing [it] takes a little time. As soon as the Kundalini pierces this, you feel thoughtless. There is no thought. So you may try to see just now, put your hands towards me like this; just because the centres are here expressed of the sympathetic. Just put your attention to me and see if your thoughts are stopped. And then close your eyes. If that has happened that means Kundalini has already gone above. It moves very fast, very fast it moves. Now, a few things you have to accept in Sahaj Yoga: first of all you have to accept that God is the ocean of forgiveness; that He’s ocean of love and He’s compassion and you are not guilty in His eyes at all. And you should not feel guilty before the Ocean. So you have to just say before starting your meditation that in your heart, that, “Mother, I am not guilty. Mother, I am not guilty. Mother, I am not guilty.” Thrice you have to say. Now you have to forgive. You must forgive everyone. Just say that, “I forgive.” Those who say it is very difficult to forgive: actually, not to forgive, or to forgive is all mental activity. What do you do by that? Just torture yourself. So please say that, “I forgive,” and close your eyes now. Say, “I forgive, Mother I forgive everyone.” Just say, “Mother I forgive everyone.” Keep your feet on the ground both the sides touching, and don’t move much. Just say, “Mother I forgive everyone.” Say it thrice. Now put your right hand on your heart where the Spirit resides, and without feeling guilty, without feeling guilty, again I say, without feeling guilty say that, “If we have done any mistakes, please forgive us, please forgive me.’ Say this thrice from your heart: “If in my seeking, if I have done mistakes; if I have neglected my Spirit or if I have neglected my duties towards my Spirit, please forgive me.” Just go on saying, “Please forgive me.” But don’t feel guilty with it. You are not to feel guilty about it. Just say it that, “Please forgive me.” I think you should again say, “I am not guilty,” because as soon as you say that, there’s a catch on the Left Vishuddhi. So you say, “Please forgive me and also forgive me for being guilty.” That would be better. Now you ask a question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask the question: “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask thrice. “Mother, am I the Spirit?” You might feel cool breeze coming in. You ask thrice. If not, now say, “Mother please give me my Realisation.” Say it thrice. Just say it thrice and it would work out. You will start feeling the cool breeze in the hand, left hand. Stretch it towards me a little bit, stretch it. Ask for Realisation. Now don’t feel guilty. Are you are getting it now? Don’t feel guilty! You are not to feel guilty; that’s the biggest disease of the West. Now you put your right hand on the head and you might feel a cool breeze coming out from your head. Just see if there’s a cool breeze coming in. Raise it higher, see, maybe. Is it? Not feeling. In the hand? Not yet. It will work out. Close your eyes and ask the question, “Mother am I the Spirit?” Thrice. “Mother am I the Spirit?” Again, “Mother am I the Spirit?” Now ask for Realisation; “Mother please give me my Realisation.” Thrice! Now you can put your left hand on your head and right hand towards me. Let’s say some people have this problem also. Right hand towards me. Now, ask the question, “Mother am I the Spirit?” Thrice. Now you forgive, you just forgive. Forgive. Forgive everyone. Say, “I forgive. I forgive.” Go on saying, “I forgive, I forgive, I forgive.” Again, “I forgive.” All right, getting it? Not yet? All right, it will work out. Now? Not yet? We’ll see. We’ll see. Are you? Little bit. Now on the hands, just see. May be in the hand, just see. It will work out, it will work out. It takes little time but it works out, it works out, it works out. Don’t you worry. Don’t get desperate with yourself. Keep your eyes shut. It will start coming slowly, slowly, slowly, it will start working. It’s very subtle but it starts working. Now? (Mother blows into the microphone seven times.) I think open those windows to pass out some of these heats. Lot of heat is coming out. Now just see. Douglas, Douglas, see your neighbour, has he got it, on his head? Just see. Here, him. Just see him, not yet? It’s good. He’s got it, he has got. That’s what I felt. Can you see all of you? You have got it. I knew, you got it long time back. Now see, what about you? Just ask for forgiveness, a little bit, all right? Ask for forgiveness. Kathy, can you see? Can you see the gentleman next to you? John! We’ll work it out, somebody will work it out. Don’t you be worried about what they are doing because the Power is flowing from them so they are just working it out. Who are all the new people, please raise your hands so they’ll come and help you. Just go, come along. Ken, come along. Left Swadishthan – you have to say the mantra of Nirmala Vidya to get over the Left Swadishthan, is quite a lot. It’s all right I think, a little liver, a little. How is the lady? She has left, left Nabhi. Ask her to put her right hand on the left Nabhi. She’ll be all right. Felicity, are you all right, better? Please do not feel guilty. If it has taken time, don’t you feel guilty. What’s the matter Djamel? Right Heart. Please don’t feel guilty, what are you guilty about, don’t feel guilty, all right. There is nothing to feel guilty, what is there to feel guilty? I mean what crime have you committed? She has got it actually, enjoying. Now, how is this gentleman, right Vishuddhi? Left? You are feeling guilty, Mister. All right? Yes, now put your left hand like this towards me. And now put your right hand here and now say that you are not guilty at all: “I am not guilty.” Just say it to yourself, say it thrice, again.

“Seeking the Light,” Caxton Hall, London (UK), 17 August 1981. I must thank Warren for such a nice speech that he has given and all the Australians the way they have taken to Sahaj Yoga. They are all westernised in every sense of the word but there’s something about them where I feel that they are very quick at knowing the truth. I don’t know how. They are not that adamant against the truth. This opening somehow I found. Seeking is everywhere very strong I feel: America, England, Europe. Everywhere the seeking is very strong no doubt, so there are seekers. Of course there is also a fashion of seeking apart from that. There are real seekers, no doubt about it. And as he said that ego-orientation is one of the characters in the West. That also, one would say, that it is more now in the developing countries because they are supposed to be developing. But the way these people have a special capacity to see the truth, to see the truth, is a very big thing. Even if you are a developing country or a developed country, if you cannot perceive the truth, you cannot assimilate it. That perception somehow, most surprisingly, I found in Australia: most surprising. Now for example in England I worked very hard, no doubt, for years together. People are hard nuts, you can say; and once they are cracked they are wonderful scholars. They know how to completely sort it out with their brains, everything is there. But there are very few people who do that. At the time of Christ, you can see, how many could recognise Him? Not even one, not even one, believe me. Except for John the Baptist, of course he was a realised-soul. So, I mean he should not be in the question. The rest of them were just sticking on to Him somehow, as He said, “They had to stick on to me for some time.” And till He got His resurrection, they could not see the truth at all. To perceive it itself is a very big blessing I think. And I do not know why people cannot perceive it because I cannot go to the other side and see myself what the problem is? For example in this country or in the West, on the whole, the false people have come. They have minted money. They have palaces and they have huge big aircrafts and they have a retinue of things and immense wealth they have collected out of the people who are supposed to be westernised. But Sahaj Yoga, you will be amazed [that] even to crack a journalist is a headache for me. A journalist doesn’t have time for me at all. It’s impossible to go and talk to any newspaper person, leave alone any television or anything like that. Radio is an impossibility here. Can you imagine! With all these facilities God has given you, for spreading the message fast for the wider world. But it is impossible: you can’t talk to them. But let some fake person come in: he’s there; he’s on the television, he’s on the radio. Pope will come and see him. Your Archbishop of Canterbury will go and touch his feet. And he’s a fake, absolute fake! Why? The only thing is that we are very money oriented. They come out with their money. They provide lot of money for publication. They take money and they use it. I mean if Christ was to be here, I tell you, He would have no place. Even a mic (microphone) would have been difficult for Him, being a carpenter’s son. Sometimes I find it an impossible situation to tell them that after all how are you impressed by these people who are taking such a lot of money out of you in the name of God? One has to think about it, that it is so money oriented that any man who comes with money impresses people. Amazing in the country which is so affluent! They are suffering from affluence, that’s their disease. And there they are impressed by people who are using money as a purpose of propaganda of God Almighty. Imagine the absurdity! I don’t know what happens to their brains? This time I went to Edinburgh and people told me that most of the young people are disciples of a person who will not even be liked by the servants of India, take it from me. Even our servants will take money to go to him. He doesn’t know good English, even up to that point you can say. He doesn’t know anything, how to talk to people. He says he’s fourteen year old which he’s not. He’s married an eight-year-old girl. I mean all kinds of things! He asked for Rolls Royces: he has fifty-eight, he wanted a fifty-ninth so they starved themselves and collected money and gave him the fifty-ninth. You the English have done it, take it from me. Can you believe this stupidity? They have starved themselves and have done it. They are seekers, seekers of what? Of giving Rolls Royce to this man? I mean I just can’t understand: how can it go to that stupid level? But that’s what I feel that, in Australia people have not accepted anyone like that there. They have not accepted. They are still you see, they did this, they did that, He did everything, Warren, Mahikari, this, that; he did everything that is possible under the sun. They know all the gurus, all the gurus have gone to Australia and they didn’t accept anyone; that’s the main point. All the time they are shaky like this and as soon as they saw the truth they jumped on to it. We have to understand that Spirit cannot be related to money by any chance. It has nothing to do [with money]. Christ was a son of a carpenter. Just think of that. He, the owner of all the properties of the world, was born as a poor man. And how can you relate this to money, I just fail to understand. And this little truth Australians knew. And I wish the English, the Americans and the Europeans [would] take out their attention from money and the comfort so called that money gives you; [because then] I am sure, I am sure this country will rise. It has to rise. It has to rise. Unless and until England rises, the world cannot rise. This is a definite thing. Absolutely it is as definite as anything. England has to rise first because it is the heart of the Universe. And the English Sahaj Yogis have to also awaken to their responsibilities, which is very important. I will give all my blood, all my energies, all that is possible under the sun to awaken this country to its responsibility as a Spiritual nature, as the Spiritual being, as the Spiritual heart, as the donor of blood, all over. And this is what saddens me to see how people are drowning themselves into some sort of an illusion and are not being able to see the truth. Now as he has told you, that Sahaj Yoga is fantastic, no doubt about it; because you are fantastic yourself! You are the Spirit; you are the Spirit. You have to just become the Spirit is the point. Once you become the Spirit you are dynamic; not [only] dynamic but you are the master of everything, you can control things, you can enjoy everything, you become blissful. You can do such a lot because you are the Spirit and you have become the Spirit. It is as simple as that. God Almighty has placed this power within us at the triangular bone, it exits there. It has to just rise and give you a real baptism by which you feel your Spirit [for the] first time where it flows like cool breeze in the hand; as simple as that. Now this happening is a very, very strong happening. For some people it’s a very strong happening, first day; because you are seekers. You are seekers. Believe me you are seekers of thousands of years, born in this country to get what you have been seeking. But what do we expect? I wish he had not mentioned you the word puja because it can again give you the thing that it is sort of some one-person business. It’s not that. Warren says puja because all these centres have got Deities. Especially this centre is the centre of Christ. You have to make these Deities within you happy and awaken them. And that awakening must take place, you must understand, where these Deities exist. And these Deities are nothing but are incarnations of God’s aspect. Like you can say Christ incarnated, who is placed at this point where the optic chiasma is, between the pituitary and pineal body. And when Christ is awakened, when He gets into action within you, then your two things that are shown there — the blue and the yellow, the blue is the superego and yellow is the ego — are sucked in. Means all your karmas, all your doings, your ego and superego are sucked in. That means He has crucified Himself in such a way that He has made within us a passage. When He’s awakened, He sucks that and all our sins — sins are nothing but conditionings and other things that we have got within us. Everything is sucked in. When it is sucked in, then only the Kundalini can rise above that. Now Sahaj Yogis know that Christ is one of the aspects, is the son aspect of God. And there are aspects where He’s a creator, where He’s a sustainer, where He’s a Master and where He is the Witness. All these things, people never gave chance to Him to speak. Now I have been speaking for seven years in this country. But for four years I could have hardly spoken even twice or thrice, because I was struggling with six of them. So we can imagine. You gave Him only three years — or at the most four years — to speak about these things; and how many things He has spoken and how many of these people who were supposed to be his disciples have written down, God alone knows. And whatever they have communicated is so limited that it has created problems for you. But, every sentence, every word that He has spoken is so deep and you can only understand it when you get your Realisation. When there is no light what’s the use of telling you there are these pictures; there are flowers there and this picture there, and this is the colour of the paper that is put on these walls? What’s the use? There is no light to see. And when you get the light, I don’t have to tell you. As He (Warren) said, “The knowledge starts trickling within you, automatically.” You are that Spirit and unless and until that Spirit is manifested what else are you seeking? A guru says, “I do this thing, I do that thing.” All right so what? What about us? What have got from this gentleman? What has he given us? You must find out — his disciples are there. For example they went to Ganeshpuri, and there everybody was jumping: ‘Ha, ha, ha, hu, hu,’ taking out clothes and I don’t know [what]. And then taking all kinds of drugs and this and that. For jumping you don’t pay, you can jump without paying! And [for] drugs also they had to pay. Even without payment he could not produce any drugs. So one should understand that this kind of a nonsense and tomfoolery is mockery of yourself! It’s just mockery. You are that dignified, magnificent thing, which is the Spirit. And you are befooled by these people. You should see this much at least: that anyone who has given any powers to another person should be accepted, isn’t it? I mean supposing somebody says that a particular thing is very good, say this kind of a lamp is very good. Then you see at least how it works? If the one who says, “You see the lamp.” You must at least see the disciples of these gurus and then decide. This is very much lacking. Like sheep they follow and they fall into horrible ditches — doesn’t matter as far as God is concerned He’s bent upon saving His Creation. He’s bent upon it: He will do it whatever you may try to destroy. You try your level best to destroy yourself and destroy the world that He has created. But He is all-powerful. He is all forgiving. He is all compassion. He is going to save you whatever you may try! Try your level best! But for a change why not try to save yourself and save others? This is what one has to see. Now when listening to me also, you should doubt; because you are in free condition. You are not mesmerised by me. If I was a real mesmeriser you could not have asked me any questions. You all would have fallen straight at my feet. There would have been no questioning at all because there are thousands who are doing that stupidly. But you are free. You are free to doubt, no doubt. But doubting what? One has to think, “What are we doubting?” As he said, “I am the most expensive person.” It makes me laugh, because you cannot pay for it. It’s so expensive that all your banks drained out cannot pay for it. All your wealth that you have here so-called wealth that you have accumulated cannot purchase it. It’s so expensive. It is invaluable. It’s the richest thing in the world, that cannot be purchased by any riches. It is, no doubt. But it’s not exclusive. It’s meant for everyone. The doors are open now for everyone. Now don’t you worry. Don’t count your sins and your guilts and this and that. Forget that! It’s the Grace that itself is anxious, as I told you; and you all ought to get your Realisation and should grow into it. You will enjoy the complete bliss of your being which is so beautiful. Like a diamond it is sparkling. Only thing, you have to just unveil it. And that is not difficult for you, not at all difficult. Now the things that he has told about the physical side, that’s the minimum that should happen to you. That’s the minimum of minimum that should happen to anyone who comes to Sahaj Yog. Because if you are the temple of God then it has to be cleansed before God is established within you. Before the Deity is sparkled in you, it has to be cleansed. So the cleansing takes place automatically you don’t have to worry about that; that’s automatic. Even a thing like cancer can be cured in no time. And cancer can only be cured by Sahaj Yog, by nothing else, take it from me. It cannot be cured. It may be that you may lose your throat, sometimes nose, sometimes ears, and you may continue with the doctors. But [here], with cancer, you live in one body and get cured. And there are some cancer patients here, sitting down. They perhaps do not know and some of them know also, and have been completely cured by Sahaj Yog. The reason is that your body is just ready, is waiting for that moment when you get the light. As soon as you get the light immediately you know where is the problem and you start correcting it. Once you start correcting it…it’s not you, but this power corrects it. Imagine this [electric] light not only enlightens the room but also corrects it. Think of such a thing that is God’s love: that it loves you, it coordinates everything, it makes you cooperate and it blesses you with the highest. This All-pervading Power has been described in the scriptures. Everybody said, “There is All-pervading Power.” Now you might say, “Where is it? We can’t see. How are we to believe?” Now as I always give an example of a television, which I saw first time when it came to India. That in a village people were told that there is an ether around us and there are lots of dramas and music and plays going on. They said, “How can we believe it?” So they just put the television to the mains and it started working, fantastically. And they were amazed and they had to believe that it’s coming — there’s no other connection [that] is coming — through this. That’s what it is. You are an instrument, exquisitely made, beautifully, delicately constructed, just for this happening. Of course you have ruined it; so many have ruined it no doubt; you have tried in your childishness. Doesn’t matter; makes no difference. You will get your Realisation. You should have no worry on that point. That’s my worry. Once you get your Realisation then you can give Realisation to others. Now about the lady that he told who got well and was very sick. I must tell you that first of all she was very, very sick and she was about to die. I was not there at that time. Actually these people were there. Warren didn’t want to say, out of humility I think. These people went there and put my photograph there and gave her vibrations. And she came to consciousness and they were surprised. The one, who was going to die, has been declared, ‘going to die very soon,’ came to consciousness. And they then thought there’s something great about it. Then they came away. Still the doctors couldn’t believe it. And the relations also said, “How can that be? What is it?” She again went into coma, when I was there. But a gentleman, who was related to her, was connected with newspapers. Somehow it worked out and he published a lot that we have proof to believe that Sahaj Yoga can cure people. And that’s how it started and that’s how it worked out. But the first thing was done by Warren and company, not by Mataji. So they themselves had the powers to cure, to give Realisation, to do all that I can do; and that’s what it is: that once you are enlightened you should manifest your own powers. Otherwise the rest of the thing is nothing but a joke. You jump or you stand on your heads: that you can always do what is so great about it? If it is some God’s grace has to come upon you then you must manifest something special; not only curing but raising of the Kundalini. Now this triangular bone is called as ‘sacrum’, meaning sacred bone. That means these people, who have given the name to it, long time back, must have known that this is a sacred bone, otherwise why did they call it ‘sacrum’? But I think that knowledge was lost in Latin, in no way must have been, and the knowledge was lost and that’s how they do not know, they just call it a sacrum. Now you can see, with your naked eyes, the pulsation of the Kundalini and rising. You can feel the pulsation on your head when it comes there and afterwards you find, completely, it has become quiet. As soon as it becomes quiet, you start feeling in the hands. Of course this [Vishuddhi] centre should be all right. If this centre is not all right you don’t feel in the hands but you feel on the head. This centre is to be corrected then, then you can feel in your hands. Now this you can do yourself when you are realised. It's not only me, you can do it also. In Australia, if there are two thousand people who have got Realisation, I could have given only to about five hundred, the rest are done by these people only. You people can give Realisation. But [the] difference in Australia and here is that if an English Sahaj Yogi tries to talk to someone about Sahaj Yoga, the person says, “You are not supposed to discuss religion!” I mean that’s an etiquette, it is supposed to be! You can’t discuss religion. You can’t discuss God. So they run away. [It’s] hard to get even two people in, to talk about Sahaj Yog. This is the problem, otherwise all of them are capable of giving Realisation. Now Douglas who is sitting here talked to David Prole and knew that he was doing TM and he told him off. And here talking to him, David Prole feeling heated up, absolutely boiling, and he was perspiring! It’s a fact. And when he came to the thing, now he’s got Realisation, he is giving Realisation to people; when he got cured. I mean you don’t need much brains for that, you don’t need any accessories of the world which are regarded as very practical. I would say that Douglas at that time was one of the most impractical people: he had taken drugs and he had taken all these things; and there are many who were like this: some were, some had come from lunatic asylum and they started giving Realisation! The other day in Norwich there were three persons sitting in [the] front row and were all shaking up before me. I said, “Now from where these have come?” I asked them from where they had come: they said, “We have come from lunatic asylum and we are certified mad people!” I said, “You are certified and you are here? How are you here? I mean if you are certified mad you are not supposed to be here!” They said, “One person came to my program and got well. So the authorities have sent us here for getting well, so we are here!” (Laughter) And I won’t be surprised that these three may start a Sahaj Yoga centre in Norwich, very soon. But I said, “You better return the certificates to them!” It is such a great thing: you can imagine certified mad people getting Realisation and starting a Sahaj Yoga centre! There are people who were cancer patients, who got Realisation and have started a Sahaj Yoga centre. So you can imagine how tremendous are the powers of God and how carefully He has made us to be that Spirit. We have no idea; we have no esteem about ourselves. We do not know what [a] great thing we are and what we have to achieve and what we have to enjoy. Actually He’s such a gracious Father, He’s so generous and He’s so loving that He wants to share His joy with you. He wants you to enter into the kingdom of God and to enjoy that bliss, that happiness, that freedom which has been promised to you in all the scriptures. It’s as simple as that. It is so simple that I don’t know how I have given four-hundred lectures about such a simple thing like Self-realisation! And they say they are all wonderful and one is better than the other. But today’s lecture has been a more of an introduction because according to them there are many new people today. Whatever it is, I would like to allow you to ask me some questions. And everybody should admit that new people should ask questions and Sahaj Yogis should not feel upset about it. Because sometimes you know the questions can be very aggressive and they get upset. But there should be nothing to worry about it. It's all right your Mother knows how to handle everything. So nothing to be upset about it because they have already passed strictures saying that, “No questions will be allowed to ask to Mother!” See if I am a Mother and if I have patience, if I have love, then you should not worry. You should not worry about it at all. I have to manage all of them. Sometimes in the beginning everybody is like that. Just now Warren has told you how he was, because he was made to sleep on the cement — I mean he was not made but he slipped out you see — and next day he was down with very great agitation and he was going back to Australia. But I caught hold of his shirt, I said, “Can you wait for sometime let’s see it might work out.” So it is like that. It’s a very sweet thing you know. And I know that children have a right to get angry with Mother. But not too much of it, because after all you are here for a purpose and that purpose must be fulfilled. That’s why I am here. May God bless you all. Now, I would like to have really some questions because sometimes these questions also help a lot for me to understand what the problem is. Can I have some questions please? Yes, please. Seeker: [Not Audible] Shri Mataji: Yes, Yes, what Warren has told you is a caution. But I know so many people who have got Realisation without any return, they just got it and said, “I have got it [now].” I know so many people who have got it. Warren has given you a thing of caution because he has seen some people that they drop out because Kundalini comes down and they find [it] a little frustrating. But I have all the patience and you should have patience. But I haven’t met anybody who has been with us who doesn’t feel it. You may not feel the vibrations but Realisation is there, because when you put your hand on your head you definitely get the cool breeze coming out and you give Realisations to others, that’s the proof of it. There’s someone who is always caught up on all the fingers, he feels the tingling all the time, but he gives Realisation to so many people. He has given himself [though] he’s caught up. It’s something like this, you can say: even if it’s the fifth hand car it moves, once started. You go on repairing it, but it moves, no doubt. It moves. So nothing to be upset about it. Man: When did you start (unclear)? Shri Mataji: When do we? Right now? Me? I don’t know how many thousand years! (Laughter) I was born with this. Man: That’s not an answer to the question that I’m asking. Shri Mataji: Yes, very much, very much, very much; very much realised. I was born as a real great, great-Grandmother, I tell you. I knew everything about it, from my very childhood. I was very conscious; over alert. Lady: We are always told to beware of the Kundalini. Shri Mataji: Beware? Yes beware. Beware, beware, yes it’s true. Yes, it’s correct, correct that’s true. Lady: Secondly about this because I read about you in The Observer. Shri Mataji: Yes I must tell you about that. You see the people who have written about Kundalini. I started knowing about them that there are people who have written about Kundalini. And I was amazed because they are absolutely ignorant, not only ignorant but stupid people! I don’t know from where did they get this knowledge because people do not know about this, they started printing it. Perhaps anything you can print isn’t it? I have seen such a big book where the fellow doesn’t know where the Kundalini is! He says it is in the stomach, then he says it is in the back. He doesn’t know anything. Now the trouble is this knowledge was a very secret knowledge, thousands of years back. And it started descending, this knowledge, to people very slowly. Like on a tree there’s only one flower or two flowers in the beginning. Actually Christ talked about it quite a lot. And other people like Moses and all these people have talked about it. But the ones, who wrote, never got anything, there, perhaps, so they wrote it in a very mystical way like, “I’ll appear before you like tongues of flames,” or “The tree of fire,” and all that; indicative of all that. But it so happened that in the sixth century somebody in India called as Adi Shankaracharya — He was actually Buddha reborn — He started talking about it. Self-realisation, of course Buddha talked about it. Then He started telling about these [chakras]; all these nadis and everything He described. But there is a poet in India whose name is Markandeya who has written about this. They say he was living in India about ten-thousand years back, this poet, about that time. So this knowledge was known to people but was not put down on the paper, was not circulated, was not for en-masse. Now these people who are writing about it have no knowledge, have no authority and they have tried these tricks. Actually this is the holiest of holy, the sanctum sanctorum within you. And a person who himself is authorised by God can only do it. Authorised by God, not by any theological college or all these things. It cannot be. It’s God [who] should authorise: like Christ, like John the Baptist, like Moses, like that somebody authorised by God can only do it. So these people tried the tricks, which are unauthorised, and they got the [bad] results because there’s a Deity sitting in the last chakra called as Mooladhara Chakra, which is the root, the support of the root; that chakra. He tries to excite your sympathetic by that and when the sympathetic is excited you get all these heats and this and that and the boils and all. So it is not meant for people who have no holiness in them. You have to be a holy person, who should be able to raise the Kundalini, who should be cleansed, otherwise you cannot do this work. While there are people who are connecting Kundalini — imagine! — with sex. I mean it’s an absurd thing; She’s your Mother. She is your Mother and has been your Mother all these ages. And it’s like having a dirty feeling for your Mother I would say that. It’s such a filth. So God should punish them isn’t it? That’s how they have it as a punishment. It’s not at all to be afraid of your own Mother. Will you be? I mean that’s one thing you are not afraid of, is your own Mother. Should not be. I mean modern mothers I don’t know (Laughter); but that’s what it is. It is [that] they have no knowledge. Now I must tell you that Sahaj Yoga must have given Realisation to, I don’t know how many thousands, tens of thousands of people. Of course, you may feel a little heated up; or if you are possessed you might feel a little bit shaken up. People who have been to TM, one of them jumped about twenty feet when they heard my name! All these things may happen to a few people. But such extreme cases are very rare. But nothing goes wrong. I mean you are ultimately cured of that. So you might get little effects of that, but nothing serious. I am here to look after you. On the contrary it’s very blissful, very blissful. If one does not know about something, they should not get into it, isn’t it? Any other question? But you must get it, that’s the main point. You see, this if you don’t get, you will never be a happy person. You have to get it and it is your right. It is within you why not get it? It just doesn’t cost you anything. You have to have it. But people refuse to have this. Imagine refusing to be the Spirit. Can you imagine? They are satisfied. The other day I met a lady who came and she said, “I am quite satisfied with the sinful life I lead, Mother.” I said, “Now what am I to do, if you are satisfied my child? I would only say that a day will come and you’ll come back to me, but I may not be here.” You see all these things recoil upon. [It’s] not [just] a question of sinfulness? Even a sort of a casual way towards your Spirit: if you are [only] casually interested in your Spirit it tells upon you, because Spirit resides in your heart and it recedes and you have problems, and you all get into problems with that. When they get into problems…I mean a lady who came to me, she said, “I am not interested, this that.” And she said, “I don’t want to do it.” But ultimately she got cancer. And then she came to me and she had a galloping cancer. We tried to help her, but couldn’t help her much. She died. It happens with some people that they come at a stage where we cannot help them at all. So best thing is to get your own powers of your Spirit and be all right, enjoy yourself. You don’t have to pay bills of doctors. You don’t have to worry about so many things. And automatically the whole thing works out. And also the petrol bill, as he said! (Laughter) Krishna has said, “Yoga kshema vahamyaham” Means when you have the Union, Yoga, when you become united, with that Divine Power, the well-being is looked after. I mean all the Sahaj Yogis who are here, have benefited even monetarily. Because within us lies also the power, which gives us money, which gives us well-being. There is a centre within us, which does that, and if that centre is caught up then people have problems with money; once it is cured, you don’t have. Not money as such but material life, improves definitely. Seeker: Do the chakras correspond with nerves? Shri Mataji: What did you say? Seeker: Do the chakras correspond with nerves, the central nervous system? Shri Mataji: Chakras are the essences which create our plexuses. And the plexuses are expressing the nerves. So the chakras in any case are the predecessors of the nerves, of the nervous system. They are the predecessor. They are the ones who supply the energy to the nerves. They are the ones who guide the nerves, [the] chakras. Seeker: Do they come from the astral body? Shri Mataji: Astral body? Our body is made of various cocoons we can say. We are material being or physical being, we are emotional being, we are mental being, we are spiritual being and all these are like our body. Now the astral being that you know of is actually the soul, we can say, which is this whole body without the element of Earth and Water: that’s the astral body. Now this astral body you should not worry [about] much, because that we get in any case when we die: that we are going to get it. But when we have the body then only we can get our Realisation, not in the astral sense. But people are trying lots of tricks with these astral bodies, which is a very, very dangerous thing! And it has reached such dangerous limits, because people have interest in this, that I am really shocked the way it is working out. For example: there was a couple in Switzerland that I met, and they had a relation, their mother, in America. And that lady was trying with one of these astral body persons, those who work on Spirits, and she said that I would like to talk to my grandson. And the grandson is a living child, and the child is in Switzerland. It sounds very fantastic to people. That is something great you see, the child is in there without paying any airfare you can talk to your child, grandchild. It’s very dangerous. And they used to try that on the child and the child when it would sleep in the night, it would be daytime in America. And she would talk to him through this and she would hear the voice of the child. They recorded all that. And one day this child was sleeping and he never got up, he died. And the recording said that, “It is too much strain for me, now let me go grandma, let me go, let me go!” She said, “No, no, wait for a while, wait for a while!” and this spirit controlling woman would not allow the Spirit to go back and the child died there. It’s a very common happening now that the children suddenly die in their beds. So all these tricks we should not try. Whatever is unknown is not Divine. You have the Left Side and the Right Side. This is called as the adi bhautik and adi daivik: means the collective subconscious and collective supraconscious. There are all these dead Spirits. Don’t play with them! Don’t get into this nonsense of astral body and this and that. There are some people who say that we want to separate from our body and fly in the air. Why? Why do you want to do that? You want to have your Spirit or not? If you want to have these experiences, I am not for that. And I will ban it, if you ask me! It’s absolutely horrible. Of course people take money for it and people like it to talk to spirits and this and that but is very dangerous. You should never try this with the spirits. It’s a very dangerous line when you do not know about it, one should not get to it. I have known people who have practiced these things: their great grand children are suffering, seven generations they suffer, seven generations [for] those who even practice it! So it’s a very dangerous game, one should never play it. What is the need? You should live in the present not in the future, or not in the past. It’s the present you have to achieve. So you just don’t worry about these things. You become your Spirit. You are to be born again and that should happen to you; which should be an actualisation that should actually happen to you. And what these Gurus are doing is nothing but putting these Spirits in you and are mesmerising you. That’s how you behave like this: you are no more yourself, you are something else. This is the trick of the trade. They are all using you for their own purposes by just mesmerising and mesmerism is manifested by using the spirits, which they are controlling. Especially for Christians it is forbidden. But I don’t know how they don’t understand. So let’s have the experience now. It’s just a split of a second needed for that; a split of a second. But it depends on, if the landings are very good you won’t feel anything else but the cool breeze suddenly. But if it is not a smooth landing [it] takes a little time. As soon as the Kundalini pierces this, you feel thoughtless. There is no thought. So you may try to see just now, put your hands towards me like this; just because the centres are here expressed of the sympathetic. Just put your attention to me and see if your thoughts are stopped. And then close your eyes. If that has happened that means Kundalini has already gone above. It moves very fast, very fast it moves. Now, a few things you have to accept in Sahaj Yoga: first of all you have to accept that God is the ocean of forgiveness; that He’s ocean of love and He’s compassion and you are not guilty in His eyes at all. And you should not feel guilty before the Ocean. So you have to just say before starting your meditation that in your heart, that, “Mother, I am not guilty. Mother, I am not guilty. Mother, I am not guilty.” Thrice you have to say. Now you have to forgive. You must forgive everyone. Just say that, “I forgive.” Those who say it is very difficult to forgive: actually, not to forgive, or to forgive is all mental activity. What do you do by that? Just torture yourself. So please say that, “I forgive,” and close your eyes now. Say, “I forgive, Mother I forgive everyone.” Just say, “Mother I forgive everyone.” Keep your feet on the ground both the sides touching, and don’t move much. Just say, “Mother I forgive everyone.” Say it thrice. Now put your right hand on your heart where the Spirit resides, and without feeling guilty, without feeling guilty, again I say, without feeling guilty say that, “If we have done any mistakes, please forgive us, please forgive me.’ Say this thrice from your heart: “If in my seeking, if I have done mistakes; if I have neglected my Spirit or if I have neglected my duties towards my Spirit, please forgive me.” Just go on saying, “Please forgive me.” But don’t feel guilty with it. You are not to feel guilty about it. Just say it that, “Please forgive me.” I think you should again say, “I am not guilty,” because as soon as you say that, there’s a catch on the Left Vishuddhi. So you say, “Please forgive me and also forgive me for being guilty.” That would be better. Now you ask a question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask the question: “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask thrice. “Mother, am I the Spirit?” You might feel cool breeze coming in. You ask thrice. If not, now say, “Mother please give me my Realisation.” Say it thrice. Just say it thrice and it would work out. You will start feeling the cool breeze in the hand, left hand. Stretch it towards me a little bit, stretch it. Ask for Realisation. Now don’t feel guilty. Are you are getting it now? Don’t feel guilty! You are not to feel guilty; that’s the biggest disease of the West. Now you put your right hand on the head and you might feel a cool breeze coming out from your head. Just see if there’s a cool breeze coming in. Raise it higher, see, maybe. Is it? Not feeling. In the hand? Not yet. It will work out. Close your eyes and ask the question, “Mother am I the Spirit?” Thrice. “Mother am I the Spirit?” Again, “Mother am I the Spirit?” Now ask for Realisation; “Mother please give me my Realisation.” Thrice! Now you can put your left hand on your head and right hand towards me. Let’s say some people have this problem also. Right hand towards me. Now, ask the question, “Mother am I the Spirit?” Thrice. Now you forgive, you just forgive. Forgive. Forgive everyone. Say, “I forgive. I forgive.” Go on saying, “I forgive, I forgive, I forgive.” Again, “I forgive.” All right, getting it? Not yet? All right, it will work out. Now? Not yet? We’ll see. We’ll see. Are you? Little bit. Now on the hands, just see. May be in the hand, just see. It will work out, it will work out. It takes little time but it works out, it works out, it works out. Don’t you worry. Don’t get desperate with yourself. Keep your eyes shut. It will start coming slowly, slowly, slowly, it will start working. It’s very subtle but it starts working. Now? (Mother blows into the microphone seven times.) I think open those windows to pass out some of these heats. Lot of heat is coming out. Now just see. Douglas, Douglas, see your neighbour, has he got it, on his head? Just see. Here, him. Just see him, not yet? It’s good. He’s got it, he has got. That’s what I felt. Can you see all of you? You have got it. I knew, you got it long time back. Now see, what about you? Just ask for forgiveness, a little bit, all right? Ask for forgiveness. Kathy, can you see? Can you see the gentleman next to you? John! We’ll work it out, somebody will work it out. Don’t you be worried about what they are doing because the Power is flowing from them so they are just working it out. Who are all the new people, please raise your hands so they’ll come and help you. Just go, come along. Ken, come along. Left Swadishthan – you have to say the mantra of Nirmala Vidya to get over the Left Swadishthan, is quite a lot. It’s all right I think, a little liver, a little. How is the lady? She has left, left Nabhi. Ask her to put her right hand on the left Nabhi. She’ll be all right. Felicity, are you all right, better? Please do not feel guilty. If it has taken time, don’t you feel guilty. What’s the matter Djamel? Right Heart. Please don’t feel guilty, what are you guilty about, don’t feel guilty, all right. There is nothing to feel guilty, what is there to feel guilty? I mean what crime have you committed? She has got it actually, enjoying. Now, how is this gentleman, right Vishuddhi? Left? You are feeling guilty, Mister. All right? Yes, now put your left hand like this towards me. And now put your right hand here and now say that you are not guilty at all: “I am not guilty.” Just say it to yourself, say it thrice, again.

8/21/1981

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Kundalini – germinating force within

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Public Program (with German translation). Zürich (Switzerland), 21 August 1981. Shri Mataji: First of all, I must really apologise for being so late. There was some confusion about time and I hope you all forgive Me. I am really encouraged to see that there are seekers in this country and they are trying to seek something beyond. I could not think of any country where there could not be seekers. Because when [UNCLEAR] they see around, I am sure any intelligent man who thinks must be wondering, asking, “What is next?” [Translator requests to repeat]. I’m saying that in any country I could never believe that, people would be satisfied with what they have and they would not be seeking beyond. Because seeking is the process of your evolution. Through seeking you have achieved this state, human state. And even now you do not know the meaning of your life, at this stage, neither the purpose. So, one has to think: “Why are we here? Why were we made human beings? What was the purpose of the nature? Was that just to earn little money or little material comfort and done?” And a question must be asked within: are you satisfied? Are you happy? And once we ask this question to ourselves, we can find out we are not! We have not found out the purpose of our life. Actually, we don’t know anything about ourself. We may know about moon – now they are going to Saturn and all the places, but we do not know about ourself! And so, anybody who is intelligent as a human being would be saying there must be something else. But one problem is this: that people who are seeking, also beyond, have been shocked the way people - [UNCLEAR] those who are also seeking, seek to others who told about what is God, what is beyond. They are shocked to see, at the way they behave. Because when you see a religious person you get shocked: because he is religious and he is so cruel! He is religious, how can he be cruel? And then also you see that they are actually hypocrites. So you don’t know what to do! Now, it is very easy to say that we don’t believe in all that and then turn back. It is very easy to turn your back – saying this is all nonsense – and we turn our back. Because we cannot see the light, accept the dark, and live with it. But you can’t live with darkness! You try it!. People have tried to live with darkness and they have after-effects of that. They have the after-effects of living with the darkness. You bump into each other. You bump into each other. You collide with each other. When you live in darkness, you collide! Nations have fought against each other. Wars came up. We have peace and we prepare for war [UNCLEAR] wisdom. These are signs that you are in the dark. It has to be very, very natural for all of you to think that there must be something beyond. The other day a journalist came to see Me from – she is a Swiss journalist- to see Me in London. She said the people are very happy in Switzerland, there is nothing wrong with them. I said, “Are you sure?” Because they were competing with Sweden in committing suicide! And now they are much ahead of them! Even with all this affluence, why are they committing suicide? We should try to find out. If you want to close your eyes to reality, you can do it – for the time being. But if you look at it, see how ghastly it is that young people are trying to commit suicide! I met three Swedish girls in London who were studying in Cambridge. And their vibrations were such as if they were committing suicide, or they were dead or sort of leprosis, or [UNCLEAR]_horrible vibrations they had! I said, “What are you doing in Cambridge? But what do you do all the day?” They said, “All the time we are planning how to commit suicide in a sophisticated manner”. Look at the sunset today, how beautiful! Look at the beautiful flowers we have! Look at the beautiful country! Look at this room, how beautiful! And you cannot feel the joy! You cannot enjoy! Something has gone wrong! There is no spontaneity to feel this joy – it’s sogood. Is it something lacking within us? We should ask this question: “Is there something lacking within us that we cannot enjoy?” [UNCLEAR statement]. After my visit here […] I found Zürich has geared up with riots. After I went away, I read in the newspaper that Zurich has geared up into riots. If through material advancement if you had achieved your peace, there should be no riots! That means people are not happy, there is frustration – let us face it! In my last visit, I discovered something else also, very serious: cancer, which is the disease of the rich, is groping the country! But the richer you are, the larger is the number of cancer patients. The fourth thing that I felt was that children are dying in their beds! Just sleeping [UNCLEAR]! Yesterday I heard the news in England that every year there are five to six thousand children lost, six thousand children lost! In England, every week two children are killed by their parents even! I mean, it’s worse than Hitler - he didn’t kill his own children! So all these things are happening to human beings and if you are not aware of it, the whole thing will come up like an explosion. So one has to see, on the collective side and on the individual side, what’s going wrong here. Now I would like you to take what I say to you as a hypothesis. And as some scientist, you must keep your mind open and not closed: if it actualises then you must accept. But you must keep yourself very open to listen to what I am going to tell you because it is for the benefit of the individual and of the whole. And you should be not like journalists, that when you tell them about say Switzerland they will start talking about India. They are more worried about others than about themselves. We have to correct ourselves! We can only correct ourselves. So when I am in Switzerland, I am Swiss. And I am concerned. Now here you find, within us, lies in this triangular bone called as sacrum, a force called Kundalini. This bone is called as sacrum, means sacred bone. That’s a Greek word. That’s a Greek word, that means Greeks knew what was sacred. Now this force resides within us as a germinating force resides in a seed. Now, this has to be so because something has to happen within you to attract your attention inside. Human attention is very different from the attention of animals. Because human beings have a brain which is triangular, prismatic, like a prism. So the attention is going out instead of staying inside. And evolution that took place so far. did not need this kind of a happening. Because within us this power which is called as the power of desire and this power which is called as the power of action build up two pouches called as superego and ego. Ego and superego. By ego we assert and by superego we condition ourselves. Assert, aggress. And when they develop in childhood, these two meet at a point here, where it becomes calcified. On the fontanelle bone area it becomes calcified. In the heart here resides the Spirit. Now, the seat of the Spirit is there, where you are seeing the sunlight thing [sun drawing on the map] – seat of the Spirit – in the head here, above, the seat. But it resides in the heart, in the human beings, specially. Now, when it rises – this Kundalini, when she’s awakened – she rises through these centres and touches that Spirit. You can see the pulsation of this Kundalini in many people. You can see it pulsating, just like heart. And when it pierces also, you can feel the throbbing in the beginning. And at the back also, if you use a stethoscope you can see the rising, its throbbing, and sometimes with the eyes you can see it rise. But, one has to remember one thing about Kundalini. Many Germans have written about Kundalini. They have had no experience, they just read some books and they wrote it. They went as tourists and they met all tourism people. They went as tourists actually, doing that. And that is how you touch all the peripheries of the nations – they never reach the Reality. They met horrible negative people and they told that Kundalini can be aroused only through sex. And this (triangle) you see is the one that controls the sex, which is below the Kundalini: this square, this centre, there (Shri Mataji showing the square of Mooladhara). So sex has a part to play in a married life, in a sane married life – but not in Kundalini. Human beings are now above it. Because these are the steppingstones of your evolution. Now, when you say that sex has something to do with Kundalini, it’s so absurd, like say that She is your mother, and it’s a very dirty relationship, it’s a very bad relationship! Holy mother, She is your holy mother! Or we can reason it out in a very simple way. We can reason it out also: you see, animals have much more sex life than human beings have. They have free sex. Are they going to evolve before we are going to evolve? We have nothing to learn from them. We are ahead of them. They have to learn from us! Now some horrible people from India came here to take out your money and to trouble you by telling all kinds of stories. You should reason out that you cannot pay for living things: how much did you pay to become a human being? What effort did you put in to become a human being? It is spontaneous! For example, if you have to breathe and you have to read books for that, half of us would be finished the next moment! We see so many living miracles but we do not pay any attention to them! See a flower becoming a fruit: can you pay for it? If it is a living process, it should be spontaneous! But they wanted to exploit you, your naiveness. There was another guru, where Germans and, I am told Germans and Japanese are very very, I mean he is very popular with them, this guru – was. Rajneesh. Because he taught them free sex. For Western people, they don’t need a guru for that! You already have mastered it! And to pay money to somebody in thousands and thousands of, in millions and millions of money, is foolishness, stupidity! Now this fellow, thank God I should say, has got a paralysis and he’s run away from that ashram. And his own disciples have burnt his ashram and he had collected such a lot of books you see, all burnt. And in Switzerland you are harbouring all these thugs from all over the world! They have put their sinful money in your banks and you will have to pay for it! Now one has to understand that God and sin do not go hand in hand. God and sin do not go hand in hand. God is Holiest of Holy, and one has to cleanse oneself to be one with Him. And it is the most blissful thing that should happen because He is joy and bliss and complete peace. But when it happens to you, then it is so spontaneous that you get the whole thing in a pack. Like a caterpillar becomes a butterfly or an egg becomes a bird. But these things stick on to you! These things stick on to you of the part of the caterpillar sticks onto you, so you must learn how to get rid of them. You must learn how to achieve your complete transformation and complete freedom and liberation so that you become the master, so you become master of yourself. Nothing can dominate you, and you start using the power, the divine power of Love, which is so pure and close: emits through your being. You become the instrument of God or His powers. You know how to manoeuvre it and enjoy it. This is why you have become a human being! Like we can say – I always give an example of a television – for an ordinary villager, say in India, it’s like a box that’s all, it’s a box. As for us, we human beings are nothing but a box. As if, we see, we also treat ourselves as if just a box, nothing more than that. But once you are put to the mains, this fantastic instrument of yours starts working! The power of love! Which cures your body, heals you completely! Cancer can only be cured by this happening within you. If you read the pamphlet you will see how cancer is caused and how it is cured through Sahaja Yoga; you will know - it’s very scientific. We have two doctors in London who are working it out. One of them is working in cancer research, his name is Sri… [UNCLEAR]. Another is David. They are working out how to tell the scientists. Now you, young people of Switzerland, must open your eyes to this new science that has descended upon you, and should not feel comfortable and complacent with what you got from your elders who did not think about it. Because this is a gift for you! This is your own! And you are on the top of evolution. You are so beautiful, it should not be wasted! This world has to be changed! This transformation has to take place! All the great scriptures have said about it and predicted it. They all have said you have to be born again. But you cannot give a false certificate to yourself. You cannot give a false certificate to yourself! You have to get it! It is to be actualised! In India, there are thousands who have got it! Even in London, about two, three thousand – three thousand, about, all together, I mean in England. America also we have some thousand. I don’t know exactly, because there is no organisation. America, last time when I went in seventy-three, we gave realisation to about three thousand people! Australia, also I think we have given realisation to – how many Warren you can say about? Warren: One thousand. Shri Mataji: At least one thousand people who have mastered it! One thousand people have mastered it! Two places are really lagging behind: it’s Switzerland and Germany. So you must awaken yourself to this! You people will be held responsible if you do not respond to it! There is no money to be paid because you cannot sell it! You don’t have to put in any effort: you get it as a right, as your own right, birth right! Only thing, after getting it, you must establish yourself. Actually it is a collective happening. It’s a mass happening. Of course, it moves slowly in the West, I have seen that. They are easily hypnotised, Western people can be much more easily hypnotised than Indians are. They go into – I don’t know why – crazy things like flying. Flying! Imagine! There is a guru who wants them to fly and thousands go to him. Are you going to become birds now? I don’t understand why, why ask for flying? And does this guru fly himself? You put him on this leaning tower of Pisa and see if he can fly! They are befooling you like this and how can you be befooled – you are intelligent people!? You had such a great person like Christ coming down here! Maybe these religions which were organised religions did stupid things, maybe… Maybe these religions which tried to organise Christ, you see, did stupid things. That doesn’t mean that Christ was wrong! Did He organise anything like that? Did He charge any money? Did He live like a parasite on others’ money? But I was amazed the other day in England, I went to a place and they said: “Mother if we pay money for something we feel secure”. Like Swiss bank, where you have to pay money to keep money [Shri Mataji laughs.]! All the thugs feel very secure, you see, if their money is here! You have to change the laws of the people of Switzerland. “Law”, law of the people, you have to change their fate. The whole world is going to change. It is predicted. It is predicted! You should not lag behind! They understand French, is it? All right. It’s all right, but why not have Realisation? You see, My speech has no meaning! Why don’t they have realisation? [UNCLEAR/a lady is probably saying they were not able to hear/ the translator was not audible]. Yogi says we should speak louder (the translator) Shri Mataji: Yes, I’m saying that, you are telling him that: I’m speaking louder than him when you don’t understand. Didn’t follow? I am sorry! You didn’t follow at all? [UNCLEAR/seeker speaking in French]. Shri Mataji: I know you were paying too much attention to follow him. I know that. What is to do? That’s a good idea. So let us have it now.

Public Program (with German translation). Zürich (Switzerland), 21 August 1981. Shri Mataji: First of all, I must really apologise for being so late. There was some confusion about time and I hope you all forgive Me. I am really encouraged to see that there are seekers in this country and they are trying to seek something beyond. I could not think of any country where there could not be seekers. Because when [UNCLEAR] they see around, I am sure any intelligent man who thinks must be wondering, asking, “What is next?” [Translator requests to repeat]. I’m saying that in any country I could never believe that, people would be satisfied with what they have and they would not be seeking beyond. Because seeking is the process of your evolution. Through seeking you have achieved this state, human state. And even now you do not know the meaning of your life, at this stage, neither the purpose. So, one has to think: “Why are we here? Why were we made human beings? What was the purpose of the nature? Was that just to earn little money or little material comfort and done?” And a question must be asked within: are you satisfied? Are you happy? And once we ask this question to ourselves, we can find out we are not! We have not found out the purpose of our life. Actually, we don’t know anything about ourself. We may know about moon – now they are going to Saturn and all the places, but we do not know about ourself! And so, anybody who is intelligent as a human being would be saying there must be something else. But one problem is this: that people who are seeking, also beyond, have been shocked the way people - [UNCLEAR] those who are also seeking, seek to others who told about what is God, what is beyond. They are shocked to see, at the way they behave. Because when you see a religious person you get shocked: because he is religious and he is so cruel! He is religious, how can he be cruel? And then also you see that they are actually hypocrites. So you don’t know what to do! Now, it is very easy to say that we don’t believe in all that and then turn back. It is very easy to turn your back – saying this is all nonsense – and we turn our back. Because we cannot see the light, accept the dark, and live with it. But you can’t live with darkness! You try it!. People have tried to live with darkness and they have after-effects of that. They have the after-effects of living with the darkness. You bump into each other. You bump into each other. You collide with each other. When you live in darkness, you collide! Nations have fought against each other. Wars came up. We have peace and we prepare for war [UNCLEAR] wisdom. These are signs that you are in the dark. It has to be very, very natural for all of you to think that there must be something beyond. The other day a journalist came to see Me from – she is a Swiss journalist- to see Me in London. She said the people are very happy in Switzerland, there is nothing wrong with them. I said, “Are you sure?” Because they were competing with Sweden in committing suicide! And now they are much ahead of them! Even with all this affluence, why are they committing suicide? We should try to find out. If you want to close your eyes to reality, you can do it – for the time being. But if you look at it, see how ghastly it is that young people are trying to commit suicide! I met three Swedish girls in London who were studying in Cambridge. And their vibrations were such as if they were committing suicide, or they were dead or sort of leprosis, or [UNCLEAR]_horrible vibrations they had! I said, “What are you doing in Cambridge? But what do you do all the day?” They said, “All the time we are planning how to commit suicide in a sophisticated manner”. Look at the sunset today, how beautiful! Look at the beautiful flowers we have! Look at the beautiful country! Look at this room, how beautiful! And you cannot feel the joy! You cannot enjoy! Something has gone wrong! There is no spontaneity to feel this joy – it’s sogood. Is it something lacking within us? We should ask this question: “Is there something lacking within us that we cannot enjoy?” [UNCLEAR statement]. After my visit here […] I found Zürich has geared up with riots. After I went away, I read in the newspaper that Zurich has geared up into riots. If through material advancement if you had achieved your peace, there should be no riots! That means people are not happy, there is frustration – let us face it! In my last visit, I discovered something else also, very serious: cancer, which is the disease of the rich, is groping the country! But the richer you are, the larger is the number of cancer patients. The fourth thing that I felt was that children are dying in their beds! Just sleeping [UNCLEAR]! Yesterday I heard the news in England that every year there are five to six thousand children lost, six thousand children lost! In England, every week two children are killed by their parents even! I mean, it’s worse than Hitler - he didn’t kill his own children! So all these things are happening to human beings and if you are not aware of it, the whole thing will come up like an explosion. So one has to see, on the collective side and on the individual side, what’s going wrong here. Now I would like you to take what I say to you as a hypothesis. And as some scientist, you must keep your mind open and not closed: if it actualises then you must accept. But you must keep yourself very open to listen to what I am going to tell you because it is for the benefit of the individual and of the whole. And you should be not like journalists, that when you tell them about say Switzerland they will start talking about India. They are more worried about others than about themselves. We have to correct ourselves! We can only correct ourselves. So when I am in Switzerland, I am Swiss. And I am concerned. Now here you find, within us, lies in this triangular bone called as sacrum, a force called Kundalini. This bone is called as sacrum, means sacred bone. That’s a Greek word. That’s a Greek word, that means Greeks knew what was sacred. Now this force resides within us as a germinating force resides in a seed. Now, this has to be so because something has to happen within you to attract your attention inside. Human attention is very different from the attention of animals. Because human beings have a brain which is triangular, prismatic, like a prism. So the attention is going out instead of staying inside. And evolution that took place so far. did not need this kind of a happening. Because within us this power which is called as the power of desire and this power which is called as the power of action build up two pouches called as superego and ego. Ego and superego. By ego we assert and by superego we condition ourselves. Assert, aggress. And when they develop in childhood, these two meet at a point here, where it becomes calcified. On the fontanelle bone area it becomes calcified. In the heart here resides the Spirit. Now, the seat of the Spirit is there, where you are seeing the sunlight thing [sun drawing on the map] – seat of the Spirit – in the head here, above, the seat. But it resides in the heart, in the human beings, specially. Now, when it rises – this Kundalini, when she’s awakened – she rises through these centres and touches that Spirit. You can see the pulsation of this Kundalini in many people. You can see it pulsating, just like heart. And when it pierces also, you can feel the throbbing in the beginning. And at the back also, if you use a stethoscope you can see the rising, its throbbing, and sometimes with the eyes you can see it rise. But, one has to remember one thing about Kundalini. Many Germans have written about Kundalini. They have had no experience, they just read some books and they wrote it. They went as tourists and they met all tourism people. They went as tourists actually, doing that. And that is how you touch all the peripheries of the nations – they never reach the Reality. They met horrible negative people and they told that Kundalini can be aroused only through sex. And this (triangle) you see is the one that controls the sex, which is below the Kundalini: this square, this centre, there (Shri Mataji showing the square of Mooladhara). So sex has a part to play in a married life, in a sane married life – but not in Kundalini. Human beings are now above it. Because these are the steppingstones of your evolution. Now, when you say that sex has something to do with Kundalini, it’s so absurd, like say that She is your mother, and it’s a very dirty relationship, it’s a very bad relationship! Holy mother, She is your holy mother! Or we can reason it out in a very simple way. We can reason it out also: you see, animals have much more sex life than human beings have. They have free sex. Are they going to evolve before we are going to evolve? We have nothing to learn from them. We are ahead of them. They have to learn from us! Now some horrible people from India came here to take out your money and to trouble you by telling all kinds of stories. You should reason out that you cannot pay for living things: how much did you pay to become a human being? What effort did you put in to become a human being? It is spontaneous! For example, if you have to breathe and you have to read books for that, half of us would be finished the next moment! We see so many living miracles but we do not pay any attention to them! See a flower becoming a fruit: can you pay for it? If it is a living process, it should be spontaneous! But they wanted to exploit you, your naiveness. There was another guru, where Germans and, I am told Germans and Japanese are very very, I mean he is very popular with them, this guru – was. Rajneesh. Because he taught them free sex. For Western people, they don’t need a guru for that! You already have mastered it! And to pay money to somebody in thousands and thousands of, in millions and millions of money, is foolishness, stupidity! Now this fellow, thank God I should say, has got a paralysis and he’s run away from that ashram. And his own disciples have burnt his ashram and he had collected such a lot of books you see, all burnt. And in Switzerland you are harbouring all these thugs from all over the world! They have put their sinful money in your banks and you will have to pay for it! Now one has to understand that God and sin do not go hand in hand. God and sin do not go hand in hand. God is Holiest of Holy, and one has to cleanse oneself to be one with Him. And it is the most blissful thing that should happen because He is joy and bliss and complete peace. But when it happens to you, then it is so spontaneous that you get the whole thing in a pack. Like a caterpillar becomes a butterfly or an egg becomes a bird. But these things stick on to you! These things stick on to you of the part of the caterpillar sticks onto you, so you must learn how to get rid of them. You must learn how to achieve your complete transformation and complete freedom and liberation so that you become the master, so you become master of yourself. Nothing can dominate you, and you start using the power, the divine power of Love, which is so pure and close: emits through your being. You become the instrument of God or His powers. You know how to manoeuvre it and enjoy it. This is why you have become a human being! Like we can say – I always give an example of a television – for an ordinary villager, say in India, it’s like a box that’s all, it’s a box. As for us, we human beings are nothing but a box. As if, we see, we also treat ourselves as if just a box, nothing more than that. But once you are put to the mains, this fantastic instrument of yours starts working! The power of love! Which cures your body, heals you completely! Cancer can only be cured by this happening within you. If you read the pamphlet you will see how cancer is caused and how it is cured through Sahaja Yoga; you will know - it’s very scientific. We have two doctors in London who are working it out. One of them is working in cancer research, his name is Sri… [UNCLEAR]. Another is David. They are working out how to tell the scientists. Now you, young people of Switzerland, must open your eyes to this new science that has descended upon you, and should not feel comfortable and complacent with what you got from your elders who did not think about it. Because this is a gift for you! This is your own! And you are on the top of evolution. You are so beautiful, it should not be wasted! This world has to be changed! This transformation has to take place! All the great scriptures have said about it and predicted it. They all have said you have to be born again. But you cannot give a false certificate to yourself. You cannot give a false certificate to yourself! You have to get it! It is to be actualised! In India, there are thousands who have got it! Even in London, about two, three thousand – three thousand, about, all together, I mean in England. America also we have some thousand. I don’t know exactly, because there is no organisation. America, last time when I went in seventy-three, we gave realisation to about three thousand people! Australia, also I think we have given realisation to – how many Warren you can say about? Warren: One thousand. Shri Mataji: At least one thousand people who have mastered it! One thousand people have mastered it! Two places are really lagging behind: it’s Switzerland and Germany. So you must awaken yourself to this! You people will be held responsible if you do not respond to it! There is no money to be paid because you cannot sell it! You don’t have to put in any effort: you get it as a right, as your own right, birth right! Only thing, after getting it, you must establish yourself. Actually it is a collective happening. It’s a mass happening. Of course, it moves slowly in the West, I have seen that. They are easily hypnotised, Western people can be much more easily hypnotised than Indians are. They go into – I don’t know why – crazy things like flying. Flying! Imagine! There is a guru who wants them to fly and thousands go to him. Are you going to become birds now? I don’t understand why, why ask for flying? And does this guru fly himself? You put him on this leaning tower of Pisa and see if he can fly! They are befooling you like this and how can you be befooled – you are intelligent people!? You had such a great person like Christ coming down here! Maybe these religions which were organised religions did stupid things, maybe… Maybe these religions which tried to organise Christ, you see, did stupid things. That doesn’t mean that Christ was wrong! Did He organise anything like that? Did He charge any money? Did He live like a parasite on others’ money? But I was amazed the other day in England, I went to a place and they said: “Mother if we pay money for something we feel secure”. Like Swiss bank, where you have to pay money to keep money [Shri Mataji laughs.]! All the thugs feel very secure, you see, if their money is here! You have to change the laws of the people of Switzerland. “Law”, law of the people, you have to change their fate. The whole world is going to change. It is predicted. It is predicted! You should not lag behind! They understand French, is it? All right. It’s all right, but why not have Realisation? You see, My speech has no meaning! Why don’t they have realisation? [UNCLEAR/a lady is probably saying they were not able to hear/ the translator was not audible]. Yogi says we should speak louder (the translator) Shri Mataji: Yes, I’m saying that, you are telling him that: I’m speaking louder than him when you don’t understand. Didn’t follow? I am sorry! You didn’t follow at all? [UNCLEAR/seeker speaking in French]. Shri Mataji: I know you were paying too much attention to follow him. I know that. What is to do? That’s a good idea. So let us have it now.

9/4/1981

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Advice on Ekadasha Rudra. London (UK), 4 September 1981. ... In your heart, behold you there, in your heart. That, “Come and seat in the lotus feet - lotus of our heart”. Now the problem is towards this heaviness. Best thing is to clear this, for anyone.I’ll show you. Gavin, come! [Unclear] at my back. Push the photograph like this, all right?Here, somebody can help him. Ready now?[Unclear]Lethargy. It’s your heart. At your heart is your Mother’s love, the power of her love. Ah! Did you feel that? Keep your eyes open. [Inaudible]Come forward. Now if you have Left Agnya, that means there’s a possession on us, somehow. That means all of you have got something of that kind, already you’re caught up. You’re not clean. Still they are there? See now. What is the mantra for this, Gavin, for the Back Agnya?Gavin: Mahavira.Shri Mataji: No,no.Sahaja Yogi: Mahaganesha.Shri Mataji: Mahaganesha, Mahaganesha, Mahabhairava, correct. Now see, in the brain, we have got all these seats of the Gods. And they are the seats because they are the causal of these.So the first, the causal is created and then the Deities are created. So, for example, causal of the Mother Earth is fragrance, all right? So from fragrance comes the Mother Earth. In the same way, the causal of Brahmadeva is Hiranyagarbha, all right? He’s called as Hiranyagarbha. He’s the causal of Brahmadeva. Where does he stay in the brain? In the brain of the Virata, whatever Deities live, are the causal. And in ours also, because they’re reflected. So the causal ones are here in our brain, in our brain, in our brain. At the back here, around the Agnya, is who? Now I gave you the name.Sahaja Yogi: Mahaganesha.Shri Mataji: No, around the Agnya. Agnya is Mahaganesha and Mahabhairava, Agnya, at the back. And in front?All right, I’ll not trouble you.At the back is actually Mahaganesha, just in the center. Just in the central point is Mahaganesha which is the minutest point. Around him moves Mahabhairava, all right? And around this, the rest of it that moves is Hiranyagarbha, all right? Now did you follow that? So when you think, or whatever thinking you do, through this superego, through this superego, you get the development of this Hiranyagarbha. Did you follow that? And also otherwise, is also, who acts when you think? Is Hiranyagarbha, isn’t it? This is Swadisthana, we call it, this is Swadisthana chakra around, all right?So Swadisthana is divided into left and right. Left Swadisthana is Hiranyagarbha and right Swadisthana is also Hiranyagarbha, at the back here.So now to draw it out, first of all, at the back, if you move, is Mahaganesha. Around him moves Bhairava, who protects Mahaganesha. Around it moves, now who? Hiranyagarbha, at the back. But Hiranyagarbha has left and right side, while Bhairava and Ganesha, they move on each other. Did you follow that point? Now in front, in the center here, is who? Kartikeya, in the center. Christ is in the center, in the center itself where the optic chiasma is. Here outside is Kartikeya. What is Kartikeya? Kartikeya is the protector of Christ. Around Kartikeya, they’re all protectors of Christ. Moves who now? Who is Mahabhairava’s counterpart?Sahaja Yogi: Hanuman.Shri Mataji: Mahahanumana, Mahahanumana, all right? And around that, what does move? Ekadasha Rudras. The movement of Ekadasha Rudra is not circular, it is more like that. It is more like that. Or we can say, more like that.Now what is Ekadasha Rudra? Let us see. Can you give the names of Ekadashas? Take one by one.Buddha, all right? Mahavira. Then Christ. Then Mahabhairava. How many of them? Four?Sahaja Yogi: Four.Shri Mataji: Then Mahaganesha, five. You have said Bhairava? Again, again say it, again one by one. I mean, say it. Buddha.Sahaja Yogi: Buddha, Mahavira.Shri Mataji: Mahavira.Sahaja Yogi: Christ.Shri Mataji: Christ.Sahaja Yogi: Mahaganesha.Mahaganesha, Mahabhairava. [Cut in the audio]All right? It is very clear cut for you? Because just now I’ve told all of them.Buddha, Mahavira, Christ. Then, what else? Now four are left, four are still left. Sahaja Yogi: MahahanumanaShri Mataji: Mahahanumana, you didn’t tell? Mahahanumana, how much it is now?Sahaja Yogi: Four.Shri Mataji: Three left. No, four are left, four! Now what are these four? Mahahanumana. Say, it’s very simple. Just now I discussed with you Mahahanumana, Mahabhairava, two, Buddha, Mahavira. Four? Now,Sahaja Yogi: Kartikeya. Ganesha.Shri Mataji: Kartikeya, Ganesha, sixth.Sahaja Yogi: Christ.Shri Mataji: Christ, seventh. Now four more are left, now who are the four more? Let’s see.Can I have tea? Oh! Pat, come along. You’ve done lot of reading. They have written it down into something, eleven of these. Sahaja Yogini: Hiranyagarbha.Shri Mataji: Brahmadeva, Hiranyagarbha, or correct!Sahaja Yogi: Vishnu Narayana.Shri Mataji: Vishnu, Narayana.Sahaja Yogi: Shiva.Shri Mataji: Lakshmi Narayana, how much it is?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible].Shri Mataji: Shiva, Parvati.Everyone. Shiva and Shakti, all right done! Eleven of them. Lakshmi Narayana is one, Brahmadeva Saraswati is back, Shiva Parvati has... All eleven are there. Why Shiva and Parvati? Two have to be taken because Shiva is the Guru, Parvati is the Shakti. So if you catch on Void, the beginning of the trouble starts because Shiva is the central part. The Shiva is to be taken as Guru. Shiva is Guru, Shiva is the one who is our Guru. He is our Spirit. But he’s not the Spirit that protects because Spirit needs no protection, does it? Whom do you protect then, also. So when you protect, you protect the Spirit but what protects it, is the Guru personality which is Shiva. It is Shiva actually. Did you get that? Now you might say, “How Shiva is guru?” “Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Devo, Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat, Parabrahma, Tasmai Shri Guruveh Namaha.” Because Guru means a person who is full of ‘Gurutwakashan’, is weight, is the gravity. Person who is with gravity, which has some sense, which is density, which is our Spirit. Otherwise we have no density, we are useless. Our Spirit goes away, it’s floating there as bhoots. So, the Guru is everything. Today, I’ve called you here to tell you how to become a Guru. So, that’s why I’ve given you this introduction. Is it clear to you? All right, let Me know. Now.[Cut in the audio] [Shri Mataji is laughing] See that? Now, see now! Just laugh at yourself! With all your knowledge of how many years I’ve been talking to you, you can see simple point! How Mother is raising just talking just like that! Do I tell you something? “Because you all have gone to the wrong gurus, you have done - because!” Because nothing you can find, just because! You are all saints here. If the Ekadasha Rudra is on your forehead, you used to bow before any wrong gurus. You catch on your Ekadashas. It’ simple. Sahaja Yoga is very simple, you know.If you put your glass upside down, nothing else can go inside. If you put it like this, it is exposed to the saints. It is that simple. It’s simple, Sahaja Yoga is so simple. Do you follow that point? So, we reach one conclusion by mentally understanding it or not understanding Sahaja Yoga. So, as a guru what should you have? I mean followers [unsure]Sahaja Yogini: You should not be caught up at Ekadesha Rudra. You should be-Shri Mataji: Should not what?Sahaja Yogini: You should have cool Ekadesha Rudra.Shri Mataji: But that’s different. You are telling like this, if I say that, “What is the test of, say, guru?” You will say that it should not become artificial? You know they are. Now let’s see again. Try to stay forward, what is the question?Sahaja Yogi: You should have discrimination, Mother.Shri Mataji: No, no. What is the question?[Laughter] Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible].Shri Mataji: Now try to remember.Sahaja Yogi: ‘To be a guru, what should we have?’Shri Mataji: What should we have?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: Not at all, what is the question?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible].Shri Mataji: So, what is the question, let’s see exactly. Exactly.Sahaja Yogini: How do you clear the catches that come from seeing a false guru.Shri Mataji: Who’s speaking this? [Unsure] How do you?Sahaja Yogini: Clear the catches when one sees a false guru.Shri Mataji: This is another question. But the question I asked is most specific: then what must a guru do?Sahaja Yogi: Nothing, Mother.Shri Mataji: The thing I said, by discussion, Sahaja Yoga doesn’t work out. Then what should we do?Sahaja Yogi: Raise Kundalini, Mother.Shri Mataji: [Inaudible]. I asked the question, what should we do?Sahaja Yogini: Surrender. Surrender, do your prayers.Shri Mataji: Make it simple always. Relate it to your Mother, you’ll get the answer. Hah! All right?To neutralize the old guru, who has been a bad guru, you have to surrender to the real guru. If your guru is the real guru, then you surrender to the Mother of your real guru. Because your real guru is also surrendered to Me. It’s a fact [unsure].So, all gurus are to be surrendered at the lotus feet of your Mother. Then if it is ‘Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha’, Shiva, Krishna, Christ, anyone of them also, Ekadesha still is lower than your Mother’s devotion [unsure]. This is very difficult because we want to stick on to someone, even the real guru. Christ is a real guru. He is. But the Christ you know of, is to be also surrendered at the lotus feet of your Mother. Because He’s also my son. ‘Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha’, all of them are my sons.Christ has been created alone [unsure]. She is the Mother of all the gurus, of all the prophets, of all the incarnations, of all the creatures.After Her, only Parabrahma exists. She exists, after that only Parabrahma exists. So when you have got someone like that to surrender, She is the biggest problem. She’s a maya. That is the biggest problem because you’ve got someone so easily.Arjuna was a great warrior till the war started. And somebody was a great swimmer when he came to the ocean. Allow your mind to be [down? unclear]. Allow your mind. So, to be the highest guru is to be completely surrendered. Now when you are surrendered, you don’t doubt. Now when this finger is completely surrendered, say, to my body, it doesn’t doubt my body. Supposing I’m pressing it and it receives the information that, "You are being pressed", she informs the brain and informs the body that, "I’m being pressed". But when she says, “Something must be done to remove it”, the whole body acts, all the fingers act and all the power flows there, the energy flows there and the finger is healed. So, when you are surrendered there is no question of individualism. Those people who think of any kind of individualism are going to go out of the circulation of Sahaja Yoga. It’s a big wheel, I’ve told you many a time. And the wheel takes out all those people who want to assert their individualism of any kind. Now see, this is a branch, all right, you can see here. In the last ever stage, I use the same analogy, it’s better [inaudible]. Outside is the Spirit, all right? If inside and outside, it’s the same and the rest is nectar, if you have proved just now [unsure]. It has to become this, what else to do? This myth has to go, all right? This myth has to vanish. So, this myth is based on what? Our ego and superego together. It has to be the end of all the nonsense we have been. To be the sense, all this has to go! Why? You see, it doesn’t exist at all! that is the way that people surrender. In no way, it is. You cannot be a guru unless and until you are at least, at least, you are open to it, that’s coming and going. But supposing you’re like this. It would be like a story I heard in India that there was a fool, two of them. They went inside the restaurant to have some food. They sat down at a table and they saw a glass put like this, all right? They said, “What sort of a glass is this? It has no mouth.” So, they called the bearer and said, “Please, make this all right. We can’t have our food unless and until it has a mouth. Please, take it back.” They said, “What sort of a glass is this? It has no bottom?” Because they saw the mouth. But when you’re surrendered the mouth and bottom, they all disappear and nothing exists. That surrendering is to be achieved if you’re going to be the gurus. Now, lock it down because these are very personal things I want to say. [Cut in the audio] Mental! This is all mental! How do you [inaudible]. That and bandhan.How many times do you give yourself bandhan? [inaudible]. Before sleeping, after getting up, saying namaskar to your Mother, This is more than sufficient. Touching My feet, very important.Not to come on to the Agnya, supposed to correct. Even sitting down there I’m catching. Just- actually, just do it now. Correct. Both, again. Do it on both the feet.Again you try. First right and then left. Ah! See now. It’s not mental, this is the point I’m bringing down to you. It is not a mental thing. You all become mentally alert. And you come, "So, we must surrender ourselves to Mother". Then other say, "Yes, yes. You have to open your heart". Now, "Yes, we must open our heart. We have to do this". Nothing! When others come, you don't tell them, "This is how we open our heart". Don't tell them that. If there is a mistake, let them [inaudible]. How you open your Left Vishuddhi? Just say, “Mother I am not guilty. Mother I’m not guilty. Mother I’m not guilty”. Not to bear anger within you. It comes from your liver. You may not even show anger but inside is sanger. So, just take it out, clear it out. Liver, if you go on accumulating another bearing stuff, also burns your liver. If you show it off, it burns other’s liver. So, best is to take it out. Now, say, take a pillow, hit it hard or whatever it is, you take it out. But don’t keep anger within yourself. If you are angry with someone, just try to forgive. Now the thin people are the people who are more, on the physical way, not all right, physically. Fat people are the people who are not all right on the mental way. So, the people who are very thin should know that physically – mentally, I mean, the brain work, they are doing over these, they are thinking too much, they are more right-sided and they should try to reduce it. So, this is all diet, you have to see about your diet. Too much of eating is really common in [unclear]. You all should have fix your food, how much you have food. Like, you see, my husband only three books, “What do you think the best food of the food which is not here?”But because English food has not such standard as [unclear], you see, you may eat the whole lot and you’ll tun out, “Why not?” [unclear], This is English type. And sometimes I’m surprised, you’ve eaten the whole lot and “Have some more.”[Laughter] Where is it going to go? No, [Inaudible]Too much eating is very bad, too much talking I very bad. Not talking, not eating is bad. But little eating and little talking is good. Too much of eating should be stopped. I’ve seen, it’s very common. I mean, not with you people, [Inaudible] The last thing that I have to tell you about the exercise. Those people who are thin should stop their mental exercise, go to thoughtless awareness, beat yourself with shoes. Do all the thing that are possible all the Nirmala vidyas. Those who are fat people should take to exercises, body exercises.Those who cannot sit on the ground should learn what is the problem, must be in their legs and feet. [Inaudible]You try to fix up your Mooladharas, I ‘ll tell you exercises, how to do for different baddhas and all that, I’ve told you how to take it out. All that is possible, you should do them to make your body, mind and your emotions so that [inaudible]. And that is that exercise, every day, you must do some exercise. Those who are too much thinking should do mental exercises. Those who are too much physically involved should do- on the physical problem, they should do physical exercises, depends on. You study yourself, what is the problem.Supposing, if somebody has complained that you have hurt them, accept it, just accept it! That’s the main thing [unsure] that there is somebody who can’t see that.If somebody says that you re upsetting them, accept it, sit down and find out, “Why do I upset them?”If somebody says that you are miserly, accept it. Somedody says, “You are provoking”, accept it. [No transcript after 34 minutes.]

Advice on Ekadasha Rudra. London (UK), 4 September 1981. ... In your heart, behold you there, in your heart. That, “Come and seat in the lotus feet - lotus of our heart”. Now the problem is towards this heaviness. Best thing is to clear this, for anyone.I’ll show you. Gavin, come! [Unclear] at my back. Push the photograph like this, all right?Here, somebody can help him. Ready now?[Unclear]Lethargy. It’s your heart. At your heart is your Mother’s love, the power of her love. Ah! Did you feel that? Keep your eyes open. [Inaudible]Come forward. Now if you have Left Agnya, that means there’s a possession on us, somehow. That means all of you have got something of that kind, already you’re caught up. You’re not clean. Still they are there? See now. What is the mantra for this, Gavin, for the Back Agnya?Gavin: Mahavira.Shri Mataji: No,no.Sahaja Yogi: Mahaganesha.Shri Mataji: Mahaganesha, Mahaganesha, Mahabhairava, correct. Now see, in the brain, we have got all these seats of the Gods. And they are the seats because they are the causal of these.So the first, the causal is created and then the Deities are created. So, for example, causal of the Mother Earth is fragrance, all right? So from fragrance comes the Mother Earth. In the same way, the causal of Brahmadeva is Hiranyagarbha, all right? He’s called as Hiranyagarbha. He’s the causal of Brahmadeva. Where does he stay in the brain? In the brain of the Virata, whatever Deities live, are the causal. And in ours also, because they’re reflected. So the causal ones are here in our brain, in our brain, in our brain. At the back here, around the Agnya, is who? Now I gave you the name.Sahaja Yogi: Mahaganesha.Shri Mataji: No, around the Agnya. Agnya is Mahaganesha and Mahabhairava, Agnya, at the back. And in front?All right, I’ll not trouble you.At the back is actually Mahaganesha, just in the center. Just in the central point is Mahaganesha which is the minutest point. Around him moves Mahabhairava, all right? And around this, the rest of it that moves is Hiranyagarbha, all right? Now did you follow that? So when you think, or whatever thinking you do, through this superego, through this superego, you get the development of this Hiranyagarbha. Did you follow that? And also otherwise, is also, who acts when you think? Is Hiranyagarbha, isn’t it? This is Swadisthana, we call it, this is Swadisthana chakra around, all right?So Swadisthana is divided into left and right. Left Swadisthana is Hiranyagarbha and right Swadisthana is also Hiranyagarbha, at the back here.So now to draw it out, first of all, at the back, if you move, is Mahaganesha. Around him moves Bhairava, who protects Mahaganesha. Around it moves, now who? Hiranyagarbha, at the back. But Hiranyagarbha has left and right side, while Bhairava and Ganesha, they move on each other. Did you follow that point? Now in front, in the center here, is who? Kartikeya, in the center. Christ is in the center, in the center itself where the optic chiasma is. Here outside is Kartikeya. What is Kartikeya? Kartikeya is the protector of Christ. Around Kartikeya, they’re all protectors of Christ. Moves who now? Who is Mahabhairava’s counterpart?Sahaja Yogi: Hanuman.Shri Mataji: Mahahanumana, Mahahanumana, all right? And around that, what does move? Ekadasha Rudras. The movement of Ekadasha Rudra is not circular, it is more like that. It is more like that. Or we can say, more like that.Now what is Ekadasha Rudra? Let us see. Can you give the names of Ekadashas? Take one by one.Buddha, all right? Mahavira. Then Christ. Then Mahabhairava. How many of them? Four?Sahaja Yogi: Four.Shri Mataji: Then Mahaganesha, five. You have said Bhairava? Again, again say it, again one by one. I mean, say it. Buddha.Sahaja Yogi: Buddha, Mahavira.Shri Mataji: Mahavira.Sahaja Yogi: Christ.Shri Mataji: Christ.Sahaja Yogi: Mahaganesha.Mahaganesha, Mahabhairava. [Cut in the audio]All right? It is very clear cut for you? Because just now I’ve told all of them.Buddha, Mahavira, Christ. Then, what else? Now four are left, four are still left. Sahaja Yogi: MahahanumanaShri Mataji: Mahahanumana, you didn’t tell? Mahahanumana, how much it is now?Sahaja Yogi: Four.Shri Mataji: Three left. No, four are left, four! Now what are these four? Mahahanumana. Say, it’s very simple. Just now I discussed with you Mahahanumana, Mahabhairava, two, Buddha, Mahavira. Four? Now,Sahaja Yogi: Kartikeya. Ganesha.Shri Mataji: Kartikeya, Ganesha, sixth.Sahaja Yogi: Christ.Shri Mataji: Christ, seventh. Now four more are left, now who are the four more? Let’s see.Can I have tea? Oh! Pat, come along. You’ve done lot of reading. They have written it down into something, eleven of these. Sahaja Yogini: Hiranyagarbha.Shri Mataji: Brahmadeva, Hiranyagarbha, or correct!Sahaja Yogi: Vishnu Narayana.Shri Mataji: Vishnu, Narayana.Sahaja Yogi: Shiva.Shri Mataji: Lakshmi Narayana, how much it is?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible].Shri Mataji: Shiva, Parvati.Everyone. Shiva and Shakti, all right done! Eleven of them. Lakshmi Narayana is one, Brahmadeva Saraswati is back, Shiva Parvati has... All eleven are there. Why Shiva and Parvati? Two have to be taken because Shiva is the Guru, Parvati is the Shakti. So if you catch on Void, the beginning of the trouble starts because Shiva is the central part. The Shiva is to be taken as Guru. Shiva is Guru, Shiva is the one who is our Guru. He is our Spirit. But he’s not the Spirit that protects because Spirit needs no protection, does it? Whom do you protect then, also. So when you protect, you protect the Spirit but what protects it, is the Guru personality which is Shiva. It is Shiva actually. Did you get that? Now you might say, “How Shiva is guru?” “Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Devo, Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat, Parabrahma, Tasmai Shri Guruveh Namaha.” Because Guru means a person who is full of ‘Gurutwakashan’, is weight, is the gravity. Person who is with gravity, which has some sense, which is density, which is our Spirit. Otherwise we have no density, we are useless. Our Spirit goes away, it’s floating there as bhoots. So, the Guru is everything. Today, I’ve called you here to tell you how to become a Guru. So, that’s why I’ve given you this introduction. Is it clear to you? All right, let Me know. Now.[Cut in the audio] [Shri Mataji is laughing] See that? Now, see now! Just laugh at yourself! With all your knowledge of how many years I’ve been talking to you, you can see simple point! How Mother is raising just talking just like that! Do I tell you something? “Because you all have gone to the wrong gurus, you have done - because!” Because nothing you can find, just because! You are all saints here. If the Ekadasha Rudra is on your forehead, you used to bow before any wrong gurus. You catch on your Ekadashas. It’ simple. Sahaja Yoga is very simple, you know.If you put your glass upside down, nothing else can go inside. If you put it like this, it is exposed to the saints. It is that simple. It’s simple, Sahaja Yoga is so simple. Do you follow that point? So, we reach one conclusion by mentally understanding it or not understanding Sahaja Yoga. So, as a guru what should you have? I mean followers [unsure]Sahaja Yogini: You should not be caught up at Ekadesha Rudra. You should be-Shri Mataji: Should not what?Sahaja Yogini: You should have cool Ekadesha Rudra.Shri Mataji: But that’s different. You are telling like this, if I say that, “What is the test of, say, guru?” You will say that it should not become artificial? You know they are. Now let’s see again. Try to stay forward, what is the question?Sahaja Yogi: You should have discrimination, Mother.Shri Mataji: No, no. What is the question?[Laughter] Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible].Shri Mataji: Now try to remember.Sahaja Yogi: ‘To be a guru, what should we have?’Shri Mataji: What should we have?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: Not at all, what is the question?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible].Shri Mataji: So, what is the question, let’s see exactly. Exactly.Sahaja Yogini: How do you clear the catches that come from seeing a false guru.Shri Mataji: Who’s speaking this? [Unsure] How do you?Sahaja Yogini: Clear the catches when one sees a false guru.Shri Mataji: This is another question. But the question I asked is most specific: then what must a guru do?Sahaja Yogi: Nothing, Mother.Shri Mataji: The thing I said, by discussion, Sahaja Yoga doesn’t work out. Then what should we do?Sahaja Yogi: Raise Kundalini, Mother.Shri Mataji: [Inaudible]. I asked the question, what should we do?Sahaja Yogini: Surrender. Surrender, do your prayers.Shri Mataji: Make it simple always. Relate it to your Mother, you’ll get the answer. Hah! All right?To neutralize the old guru, who has been a bad guru, you have to surrender to the real guru. If your guru is the real guru, then you surrender to the Mother of your real guru. Because your real guru is also surrendered to Me. It’s a fact [unsure].So, all gurus are to be surrendered at the lotus feet of your Mother. Then if it is ‘Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha’, Shiva, Krishna, Christ, anyone of them also, Ekadesha still is lower than your Mother’s devotion [unsure]. This is very difficult because we want to stick on to someone, even the real guru. Christ is a real guru. He is. But the Christ you know of, is to be also surrendered at the lotus feet of your Mother. Because He’s also my son. ‘Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha’, all of them are my sons.Christ has been created alone [unsure]. She is the Mother of all the gurus, of all the prophets, of all the incarnations, of all the creatures.After Her, only Parabrahma exists. She exists, after that only Parabrahma exists. So when you have got someone like that to surrender, She is the biggest problem. She’s a maya. That is the biggest problem because you’ve got someone so easily.Arjuna was a great warrior till the war started. And somebody was a great swimmer when he came to the ocean. Allow your mind to be [down? unclear]. Allow your mind. So, to be the highest guru is to be completely surrendered. Now when you are surrendered, you don’t doubt. Now when this finger is completely surrendered, say, to my body, it doesn’t doubt my body. Supposing I’m pressing it and it receives the information that, "You are being pressed", she informs the brain and informs the body that, "I’m being pressed". But when she says, “Something must be done to remove it”, the whole body acts, all the fingers act and all the power flows there, the energy flows there and the finger is healed. So, when you are surrendered there is no question of individualism. Those people who think of any kind of individualism are going to go out of the circulation of Sahaja Yoga. It’s a big wheel, I’ve told you many a time. And the wheel takes out all those people who want to assert their individualism of any kind. Now see, this is a branch, all right, you can see here. In the last ever stage, I use the same analogy, it’s better [inaudible]. Outside is the Spirit, all right? If inside and outside, it’s the same and the rest is nectar, if you have proved just now [unsure]. It has to become this, what else to do? This myth has to go, all right? This myth has to vanish. So, this myth is based on what? Our ego and superego together. It has to be the end of all the nonsense we have been. To be the sense, all this has to go! Why? You see, it doesn’t exist at all! that is the way that people surrender. In no way, it is. You cannot be a guru unless and until you are at least, at least, you are open to it, that’s coming and going. But supposing you’re like this. It would be like a story I heard in India that there was a fool, two of them. They went inside the restaurant to have some food. They sat down at a table and they saw a glass put like this, all right? They said, “What sort of a glass is this? It has no mouth.” So, they called the bearer and said, “Please, make this all right. We can’t have our food unless and until it has a mouth. Please, take it back.” They said, “What sort of a glass is this? It has no bottom?” Because they saw the mouth. But when you’re surrendered the mouth and bottom, they all disappear and nothing exists. That surrendering is to be achieved if you’re going to be the gurus. Now, lock it down because these are very personal things I want to say. [Cut in the audio] Mental! This is all mental! How do you [inaudible]. That and bandhan.How many times do you give yourself bandhan? [inaudible]. Before sleeping, after getting up, saying namaskar to your Mother, This is more than sufficient. Touching My feet, very important.Not to come on to the Agnya, supposed to correct. Even sitting down there I’m catching. Just- actually, just do it now. Correct. Both, again. Do it on both the feet.Again you try. First right and then left. Ah! See now. It’s not mental, this is the point I’m bringing down to you. It is not a mental thing. You all become mentally alert. And you come, "So, we must surrender ourselves to Mother". Then other say, "Yes, yes. You have to open your heart". Now, "Yes, we must open our heart. We have to do this". Nothing! When others come, you don't tell them, "This is how we open our heart". Don't tell them that. If there is a mistake, let them [inaudible]. How you open your Left Vishuddhi? Just say, “Mother I am not guilty. Mother I’m not guilty. Mother I’m not guilty”. Not to bear anger within you. It comes from your liver. You may not even show anger but inside is sanger. So, just take it out, clear it out. Liver, if you go on accumulating another bearing stuff, also burns your liver. If you show it off, it burns other’s liver. So, best is to take it out. Now, say, take a pillow, hit it hard or whatever it is, you take it out. But don’t keep anger within yourself. If you are angry with someone, just try to forgive. Now the thin people are the people who are more, on the physical way, not all right, physically. Fat people are the people who are not all right on the mental way. So, the people who are very thin should know that physically – mentally, I mean, the brain work, they are doing over these, they are thinking too much, they are more right-sided and they should try to reduce it. So, this is all diet, you have to see about your diet. Too much of eating is really common in [unclear]. You all should have fix your food, how much you have food. Like, you see, my husband only three books, “What do you think the best food of the food which is not here?”But because English food has not such standard as [unclear], you see, you may eat the whole lot and you’ll tun out, “Why not?” [unclear], This is English type. And sometimes I’m surprised, you’ve eaten the whole lot and “Have some more.”[Laughter] Where is it going to go? No, [Inaudible]Too much eating is very bad, too much talking I very bad. Not talking, not eating is bad. But little eating and little talking is good. Too much of eating should be stopped. I’ve seen, it’s very common. I mean, not with you people, [Inaudible] The last thing that I have to tell you about the exercise. Those people who are thin should stop their mental exercise, go to thoughtless awareness, beat yourself with shoes. Do all the thing that are possible all the Nirmala vidyas. Those who are fat people should take to exercises, body exercises.Those who cannot sit on the ground should learn what is the problem, must be in their legs and feet. [Inaudible]You try to fix up your Mooladharas, I ‘ll tell you exercises, how to do for different baddhas and all that, I’ve told you how to take it out. All that is possible, you should do them to make your body, mind and your emotions so that [inaudible]. And that is that exercise, every day, you must do some exercise. Those who are too much thinking should do mental exercises. Those who are too much physically involved should do- on the physical problem, they should do physical exercises, depends on. You study yourself, what is the problem.Supposing, if somebody has complained that you have hurt them, accept it, just accept it! That’s the main thing [unsure] that there is somebody who can’t see that.If somebody says that you re upsetting them, accept it, sit down and find out, “Why do I upset them?”If somebody says that you are miserly, accept it. Somedody says, “You are provoking”, accept it. [No transcript after 34 minutes.]

9/9/1981

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Public Program, day 1, Paris (France), September the 9th, 1981 [Starts here]: Marie: ... Que vous devenez, que vous devez devenir l'Esprit. [...That you become, that you must become the Spirit.]Shri Mataji: Once that happens all these great people will be born here. People always are worried about Indian population. Where should they [the saints] be born? In this England? Where every week two children are killed by their parents, heartless? The poor Indians have to bear the load. The Last Judgment has now started. They are all to be born. There will be a flux of these Realized souls and also the devils to fight. Where should the devils take their place? Among the people who are not divine. If you don't become divine the devils will be born of you. It is a very dangerous thing. So, there is a big gap [inaudible] between the Divine and the devil. But now, whatever work I've done in England, I'm quite happy and I think it has started taking its roots. In Paris, I hope things will work out. The Grace of God has to work it out.All of you who are here should know their responsibility. I give you all this information, you'd better use it. Then you will not blame Me that I did not tell you. Thank you very much. May God bless you. [Applause] Shri Mataji: If there are any questions, you can ask Me. Seeker: Oui, je voudrais savoir ce que pense Mataji de la grande catastrophe de 1983? Marie: What do you think of the great catastrophe of 1983? Shri Mataji: Nothing. You have to get out of it. [Laughter] Seeker: Parce qu'elle est annoncée dans les prédictions, elle est annoncée également par les astronomes, elle est prévue par les- elle est vraiment, disons, attendue.Marie: It has been predicted by all sorts of people.Shri Mataji: They just want to frighten you. But it has an advantage so that you become alert.But it can be the opposite. Like, this is going to fall down, all right? And if you bring the force from that side you can take it. We have to build this force. But if people do not take to reality they have to face it.How many are there from Paris to see I 'm here?On the road, we couldn't drive our car, so many on the road running their rat race! They have no time for God. So the Devi had to come, if not in India, in Paris. What can we do? It is for you people to choose. Seeker: Oui, mais il y a quand même une concentration planétaire, justement, qui va se manifester courant 83, qui n'a jamais, n'est jamais arrivée en France une seule fois. Il y a eu une expérience, il y a eu un phénomène une fois semblable au moment de la peste noire au cours du Moyen-age.... Alors je voudrais savoir si on peut échapper justement à ça? Shri Mataji: I mean, it's going to be meant like this. Don't get human lights.Marie: Tout cela, c'est de l'activité mentale. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no. See, you must get your Realization. You must get your Realization. What happens, I’ll tell you, don’t get too much into mental like this, this chakra goes into the head, all right? To a point, it’s all right, to a point. Take it easy, take it easy, take it easy. Now, what is more important? Because I want you to get your Realization, all right? I want you to get your Realization. That’s the main thing.I’ve seen people who go on asking questions they [inaudible] to Me. So, better get your Realization, that’s the main point. Now, what did he mean?Marie: He said there’s going to be a configuration of planets.Shri Mataji: It’s true.But do you know about Pluto? About the planet which has come, Pluto? That came with Me on this earth. [inaudible] That’s why you are waiting. If they talk of philosophy they should also talk of Pluto. They just talk of one side. [French chat about the subject] Shri Mataji: Sahaja Yogis should not ask questions.[Laughter] Shri Mataji: What did he say? Marie: He said that if you get Realization you can die from it, it's not important.Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no! Then you become the tree. The seed dies and you become the tree. You have to grow, all right?He understands. He's a seeker. You'd better get it. Seeker lady: Est-ce que Mataji est née scorpion?Marie: She wants to know if you are born as Scorpio.Shri Mataji: No, no. I was born on the 21 of March at twelve o'clock in the daytime, in 1923. Just do the horoscope and you will know. It's another way of knowing. I was born in Chhindwara in the center of India. On the tropic of cancer. [The French lady notes down the info.] Shri Mataji: My horoscope has been published in one of the magazines, all right? But still, I'm very elusive. You'd better get the Realization. [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: What did she say? Marie: She said that she heard the music of "sphere" when she was eight years old. Shri Mataji: What did she say? Marie: The music of "sphere". Shri Mataji: It's better to hear the music of your Spirit. All right? Then you are not a medium but you become the master. Then you control everything. [The lady says that she knows already and she is 75 years old.] Shri Mataji: You'd better get your Realization. Seeker: Je voudrais savoir le point de départ de la méditation.Shri Mataji: What did he say?Marie: He wants to know the point of start of Realization [meditation].Seeker: Comment pratique-t-on la méditation Sahaja Yoga?Marie: How do you practice Sahaja Yoga meditation?Shri Mataji: The start is when the Kundalini rises. When you put your hands towards Me like this, your fingers have those centers of the left and the right. You take out your shoes. Let them, let them do it later one. Later on, you can do it later not now. Take off your shoes is better because the Mother Earth helps you a lot. Mother Earth. Put your shoes at the back. Shri Mataji [to a Sahaja Yogi]: Open the door to get some space. Put the shoes at the back. Now, put your hands towards Me like this. Just like this. And these fingers are seven centers, one, two, three, four, five, six and seven centers. One on the left, one on the right. Now, when you get- the Kundalini receives the information through this channel, through this first centre of innocence. Now, when it is received here, the information, then she starts awakening herself. She's made of many strings of powers, like a rope. Then she starts throwing her strings to the channels here, the channel here [central] through different centers, awakening them, widening them, improving them. Supposing there is an obstruction, then you see the thing pulsating here [sacrum], very strongly in some people who have this. Especially in possessed people. Now, the obstruction here, if removed, then the Kundalini rises or some people don't have any obstruction, then she shoots up. But if supposing, the obstruction here is due to liver troubles you can see the Kundalini going and looking after it. But if there is sufficient space made then, little, little space made, then she rises in any case. She awakens Christ over here and sucks these two in, ego and superego and then creates a space here. And she just goes up. First, it is like this [closed]. Then it is sucked in and a space is made. And that's how you get your real Baptism. You can feel the throbbing here first. When the Kundalini goes above this you become thoughtless, there is no thought in your mind. When she crosses over you start getting cool breeze in the hand, cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, not hot. If there is hot [heat] or there is shaking that means there is a little friction. You have to just throw it away. Now you should see. Some people get it in the right, some in the left, depending on their imbalances. But any Realized soul who is a Sahaja Yogi knows all about it, can give you a balance, can raise your Kundalini, can give you Realization. The same way it will happen to you. Like one enlightened light can enlighten another light. But the light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten another light. You don't do know anything, the candle is ready, just you are enlightened that's how you enlighten another light. It works like that. After some time, we can use the media like a radio, television, the sound and light energy, to pass this energy and can achieve more masse Realization. That's how the science has given us all these. We did that in Australia [She Mataji was on TV] and many people got Realization. Now, there are centres in seven cities of Australia. Paris, I've been coming for how many years? Marie: One and a half. Shri Mataji: No, no, I came last- how many times I came here? Marie: You came four times in one year and a half. Shri Mataji: Four times. And I've been only once to Australia. And we are at least, they are one hundred times more people. Australians are supposed to be the people who are punished for doing something wrong, supposed to be. I mean, they are great-grandchildren but they are very wise, very sensible. That's what it is. We don't know how to judge people. But it's going to be work out. But then we have a center here, where you should go and study, how truth is truth [unsure] Thanks God we have a centre here where they should learn how to improve themselves. They give all Realization in the centre. But you must have an innate desire to grow. You don't have to pay anything, only thing you have to attend to the need of your Spirit. When you get the cool breeze in the hands, a rapport is established to the Divine. You can ask any absolute question. Like, you can ask any absurd question: “Is there God?” And you will get a big flow of that thing. To ask about any guru if he is true, you can find out. Most of these who have come to the West are all thieves [unsure]. They are parasites they want to live on your money. They will go to Hell and they will bring all their disciples with them. So don't be identified with them. You have to be honest. If you are dishonest with yourself, God cannot help you. If you thinks no end of yourself God says: “All right! Go ahead!” You have to be open and cheerful. Because God is anxious to save his creation. All right? May God bless you. Shri Mataji: One more, you were asking a question? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Same question. You are seekers. This is the beautiful children I have seen. These are the seekers. I have come on this earth for these. It gives Me a great, immense pleasure to meet them. I've been speaking so much and traveling. Did they understand the program? Marie: I don't know. Shri Mataji: Can you open the door?Sahaja Yogi: It’s open already, Mother.Marie: No wind.Now, put your hand towards Me like this. [Cut in the audio] Shri Mataji: I think I'll be able to say, carry about it. Why should we have Self-realization? It's a very good subject. Before asking such a question, we have to understand what are we. What is a human being and what are his problems and what he can become. Now, this is a human being here as you see drawn by Ruth. Sahaja Yogi: Warren. Shri Mataji: All right by Warren. You must tell everybody. Well, you have many exterior forms, inside you are just the same. [aside] If you can move that side so that they all can see, all right? Can you? That side. Can you see all? Now, this human being has got his right side, his left side and from [inaudible] and the four dimension there [at Sahasrara]. Now, this side is his past. When he goes beyond it, then it is subconscious that becomes the Collective Subconscious. Now, by this side he goes towards the future. This is the present. Below is the matter, the material thing [under the Mooladhara]. By entering into this realm he becomes collectively supraconscious. Now, a human being has the freedom to enter in any one of these areas. If you indulge into too much then you move onto left side. This is the side of your psyche, your emotions. Those who say we “suffer, we are unhappy” and enjoy their suffering, they go on to the left side. They like to enjoy that movement of their attention. Now, those who move to the right side are ambitious beings. These assert the physical and the mental efforts to activate or to act upon the desire. Now, these, both the sides are easy to go at a human level. Either we live in the future or in the past but not in the present. Now, below the human being is the material side from where animals and all that kingdom is coming. Now he has also the freedom to become the animal-like. His heart can also become like a stone. All these possibilities are there with this human awareness that you have already. When you move towards this side, then in the machines and all those everyone's else matters [unsure] and you start giving too much matter, you become materialistic, then we become slaves of the matter. Like a tree is there to make a chair, a dead thing comes from the dead. Now, if you use a chair, you can't sit on the ground. You have to take the chair everywhere you go. So with that, you become the slave of the matter by habits. Now, those who are moving on the left-hand side are the people who find the life full of aggression. So they want to be sick, they want to indulge into emotional ideas. They think they are very miserable and they go on suffering. It is all artificial and imaginary. Such useless ideas led to the advent of Hitler in Germany. Jews denied the advent of Christ, who came at this point of our awareness [Agnya]. And because he has suffered for us and you don't have to suffer at all anymore. If you can awaken him somehow, then he can suck in all your sufferings and also he can forgive you. He takes away all your sins. But Jews did not want to accept this. They said: “We are suffering, we have to suffer.” in Germany. And when there was a recession all over, people were very depressed on the left side. A satanic depressive force was working on them, collectively. It's a very, very intellectual nonsensical emotional – what you call that?- blackmail. And the French call “les miserables”. There is no need to be miserable. They ask for miseries and suffering so they have it. You ask an aggressor to come in from the right side. He came on this earth just to make them suffer and they suffered. But even now, they say the same thing. Now, this is the right side in which you enter when you aggress too much, when you plan and organize. For example, it is planned to reach here, just say by seven o'clock. And you can't come because there is a crowd. Because you are planning you honk at everyone, you shout at everyone, you'll be absolutely very aggressive because you came after [unsure]. Because you think you have a right to reach that place exactly on time. That is how you plan out everything, that you should be comfortable, that everything should work out for your comfort. But you do not think about the plan of the Divine. And when it happens that your plans fail, then you start getting angry. They mostly fail. For example, whatever you produce by this side, atom bomb, neutron bombs, all these things are now frightening you. The atomic bomb is your creation, it's the human beings that have created it and now they are afraid of it. [Laughter] What have you created out of your scientific knowledge is all weapons of war. War against your own people, your brothers and sisters, your own part and parcel and that's how you to destruction. The left-sided person destroy himself while the right-sided destroy others. In any way, it is destroyed. There is no construction. The construction comes through the central force of evolution. By evolution, you have come up to the stage where you are today a human being. At this stage of your freedom, you have to choose what you want to be. When you enter into the materialistic side, you become the slave of the matter. When you enter into the left-hand side, you become the slave of the sicknesses like cancer. You get possessed, you become schizophrenic, you end up in a mental asylum. On the right-hand side when you move, you get your heart attacks. Because by moving on the right-hand side you are neglecting your Spirit that is in the heart- human beings without a heart. [Laughter] The heart should be the heart. In the heart resides the Spirit, the one who is the master of this vehicle till human awareness, this master which is the Spirit, does not come into your conscious mind. He is just watching like a master sitting behind in the car. Now, this is the motor car, this is the accelerator and this is the brake. And the master is sitting and watching the game. Ultimately, you learn how to drive. I don't know how many cars you break before that, how many human beings you've been, but ultimately you know how to drive. When do you know how to drive? When you know. When you know only that is the time when you are the master. Because the master knows now you know how to drive and he becomes one with you. So you become master of your Self, no more a slave of these things. For example, some people who get possessed start dancing, jumping like fools. All this idiotic behaviour they think is spiritual. God is not going to make you an idiot now. He is going to give you the Super Consciousness. So, you have to become that because that is the seat, that is the seat of your Spirit. Unless and until you become the Spirit, you are not yet connected to the whole. The Spirit is the Collective Being within you. And once you get connected with that, you also become, you actualize the experience of Self-realization which is collectivity. So, if you are not Self-realized, you are moving like the ship which has no captain, sometimes to this side and sometimes to that area or sometimes to this. You have no purpose, you have no absolute awareness, you are confused. You don't know whether to go towards materialism or towards aggression or towards depression. You try everything and the world becomes more and more miserable and unhappy. And then one starts thinking that there is a big chock of complete destruction is awaiting us. You don't have to worry on this part: the One who has created you, the One who has created this universe, the One who has made you a human being is going to give you that which is the power of the Spirit. It's like a villager worrying about the airplane, who, to reduce the weight of the airplane, carries his bags on his head. He does not know that the airplane in which he is sitting is carrying his load and the load that he has. Because he is ignorant, he has no eyes to see he is blind. Like in this room, when you enter, and it's dark, you are blind, you can't see anything. You falter here and there, hurt yourself. Sometimes you say that this mike is this room, sometimes this candlestick anything whatsoever, you find little bit moving. The truth is that you don't have the light as yet. That your eyes have still to be opened and that you have all these possibilities built-in you. You have been built up like that in your evolution, all different bits are the milestone of your evolution. Your breakthrough has to come. That will happen through the Grace of God. If you are doing any seeking beyond then must know that it has to be your Spirit and Self. Now, when you become the master of the whole thing, the physical problems are of course a misuse of this part. And the emotional problems that have come by using this part, the problems of your mental- ah, you see, English words I don't know, but what I mean, the brain- are also here which you have spoiled. Like rationality, rationality is a limited thing. You cannot go to the unlimited by this limited. Rationality can rationalize anything. There was a bank robber in France, many people rationalized him to be a saint. You can even rationalize Hitler, everything you can rationalize. It is the intelligence that cheats you all the time to rationalize. But logic is different. Logic comes through wisdom which is to be in the centre. And you develop your wisdom by making mistakes and understanding these two forces [inaudible]. Now, God has placed within us, in the triangular bone, that power which we call the Kundalini. That is like a coil you have in the machine. All your instrument – or the yantra- has been made beautifully with care and with love. And this coil is placed there. Now, this is not a dead machine and Divine Power is of the Living God. Everything that is divine is spontaneous because it is living like a flower becoming a fruit. What we do is all dead. Only after Self-realization, we start doing living work. I will tell about it later on. Now, this Kundalini rises spontaneously like the Mother Earth works out the sprouting of the seed. Supposing you stand on your head before the seed, will it rise? Can you pay money for its awakening and germinating? Do we pay for to the trees for growing-up? What effort do they put in to become a fruit? What effort have you put in to become human beings? Did we rationalize? Did we cut our tails? Did we think about it and we have become such beautiful human beings? We must think: “Why” “Why do we have become? Why such a beautiful instrument created? What is the purpose? You do not know because you are not yet connected to the mains. So, before setting the connection, what's the use of planning anything? If your telephone is not connected, how do we dial? All efforts we are doing up towards rising, without Realizations, are absolutely useless. Do we mean to say intellectuals are the only people who are going to receive Realization in this world? Only the people who rationalize themselves, and who have read all kinds of books of the world, are going to get Realization? You must know that it is very difficult if you have too much of ego in this to get into that. As Christ has said that it is very difficult for the rich to enter into the kingdom of God as a camel to go through the hole of a needle. It's the simple people who are wise who get Realization much faster. For example, in an Indian village if you want to see there are six thousand people in one place where I go, they come from all other places from miles together. There are always in thousands and they get Realization just like that because they are wise. They do not try to rationalize God and also organize it. And they get it. But I was in Portugal or in Spain, very disappointing. They asked Me thousand-and-one questions and I had to work on every individual. In this whole of Paris, only such so many people are seekers? To Me it's the same. But very few people really seek in the West. They are ego oriented. They like people who pamper their ego or hypnotize. They run after people who try to fake God, who take their money, take all they have, they spoil their Kundalini and damage them completely. But they are so mesmerized that then they do not rationalize. So I get people who come to me damaged and those who are identified with those people who have damaged them. There is a devil and an anti-Christ who is working it out and you play with it. And there is another type who come to Me who try to rationalize. Both are not good for Sahaja Yoga. With no mental activity, you can get this Kundalini rise, no physical activity, you can make this Kundalini rise. She knows everything. She is love and she knows a true and a pure love. She is your chastity. She is your holiness still non-manifested, extremely unhappy by the way you have used your freedom. I've seen the Kundalini in the most miserable state. She just goes on in desperation, banging her head. Many people have holes in the Kundalini and wounds. These are to be repaired in love and care. But, very few really love themselves and have self-esteem and they do not believe that they are the Spirit, that they are the beauty, they are the joy, they are all the dynamic powers of Divine love. Now the world is standing at the precipice of construction or destruction. You have to understand yourself, that you have to become your Spirit. No use doing this or that, becoming is the point. Some people have their gurus who have given them no knowledge, no light, they are like blind sheep following their way to Hell. They have to rise and awake to the fact, to know: “What have we achieved?” What powers have you achieved? When you get this power, you can cure people, you can cure the mental people. And you become peaceful and joyful. The time has come for your transformation. You'd better take it. When the transformation comes you'll become a different person like a cocoon becomes the caterpillar. The caterpillar becomes the- the cocoon of the caterpillar becomes the butterfly. Like the egg becomes the bird. But still, some points of the egg are hanging. So you have to go to transmutation. Both things are achieved by the Kundalini rising. First, she transforms you and then she transmutes you. She does the job and not your mental activity. When you think, a though rises within you from the past and goes – say from the past or anywhere, from the future- and goes into past. Then another though rises and falls back. Now, you can see the rising of the thought but not the fall. And in between these two there's a gap, that's very little, that is the present. You actually jump from here to here, to here to here, all the-what you call them, [inaudible] the ridge, and so that you lose complete contact with this. Some inspiration sometimes drops into you from the Unconscious. But you are not capable to judge it. And that's how you go on living blind life. If I have to write about the advantages of getting Self-realization, it will be such a big book a real Bible. How can you describe everything? Only thing is that is what you are, this beautiful diamond which I see in you, which you have to be. Do not have any barriers between you, any aggression. Have no barriers of your ego. Try to get your Realization. It's very difficult in the West but it works out. In England, I have about seven people, one of them is this Marie, [laughter] who took four years to get established in their Self. Realization is easy but to establish is not easy. After Realization, you should know the technique of handling the Divine Power. As after connecting this to the mains you should know about all the buttons, how to work it out. Because without connection what's the use of knowing? It is straight forward, simple. But we are complicated, it doesn't matter, it will work out. You have to have patience. I will be giving three lectures in Paris, two, two lectures in Paris. The second one is on? Marie: Friday here, same time. Shri Mataji: All right. I hope you will all come again on time. Even if you get your Realization, you have to establish it. You all are seekers for ages. And unless and until you find out your Self, you are not going to be happy. I don't know French, but in English, there is a poet who has written about these times, William Blake. He said that: “Men of God will become prophets in these times. And these prophets will have the special capacity to make others prophets.” And this [inaudible] England which is lethargic and is going down, will become the Jerusalem. He has mentioned lots of things which are exactly the same [in “Milton”]. Like he said the first lights will be seen and shine in Surrey's hills. I stayed in Surrey's hills. We started our first centre in Lambeth’s Vale where I laid the foundations. And it's written the foundations will begin in Lambeth’s Vale. So, logically- [End of tape]

Public Program, day 1, Paris (France), September the 9th, 1981 [Starts here]: Marie: ... Que vous devenez, que vous devez devenir l'Esprit. [...That you become, that you must become the Spirit.]Shri Mataji: Once that happens all these great people will be born here. People always are worried about Indian population. Where should they [the saints] be born? In this England? Where every week two children are killed by their parents, heartless? The poor Indians have to bear the load. The Last Judgment has now started. They are all to be born. There will be a flux of these Realized souls and also the devils to fight. Where should the devils take their place? Among the people who are not divine. If you don't become divine the devils will be born of you. It is a very dangerous thing. So, there is a big gap [inaudible] between the Divine and the devil. But now, whatever work I've done in England, I'm quite happy and I think it has started taking its roots. In Paris, I hope things will work out. The Grace of God has to work it out.All of you who are here should know their responsibility. I give you all this information, you'd better use it. Then you will not blame Me that I did not tell you. Thank you very much. May God bless you. [Applause] Shri Mataji: If there are any questions, you can ask Me. Seeker: Oui, je voudrais savoir ce que pense Mataji de la grande catastrophe de 1983? Marie: What do you think of the great catastrophe of 1983? Shri Mataji: Nothing. You have to get out of it. [Laughter] Seeker: Parce qu'elle est annoncée dans les prédictions, elle est annoncée également par les astronomes, elle est prévue par les- elle est vraiment, disons, attendue.Marie: It has been predicted by all sorts of people.Shri Mataji: They just want to frighten you. But it has an advantage so that you become alert.But it can be the opposite. Like, this is going to fall down, all right? And if you bring the force from that side you can take it. We have to build this force. But if people do not take to reality they have to face it.How many are there from Paris to see I 'm here?On the road, we couldn't drive our car, so many on the road running their rat race! They have no time for God. So the Devi had to come, if not in India, in Paris. What can we do? It is for you people to choose. Seeker: Oui, mais il y a quand même une concentration planétaire, justement, qui va se manifester courant 83, qui n'a jamais, n'est jamais arrivée en France une seule fois. Il y a eu une expérience, il y a eu un phénomène une fois semblable au moment de la peste noire au cours du Moyen-age.... Alors je voudrais savoir si on peut échapper justement à ça? Shri Mataji: I mean, it's going to be meant like this. Don't get human lights.Marie: Tout cela, c'est de l'activité mentale. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no. See, you must get your Realization. You must get your Realization. What happens, I’ll tell you, don’t get too much into mental like this, this chakra goes into the head, all right? To a point, it’s all right, to a point. Take it easy, take it easy, take it easy. Now, what is more important? Because I want you to get your Realization, all right? I want you to get your Realization. That’s the main thing.I’ve seen people who go on asking questions they [inaudible] to Me. So, better get your Realization, that’s the main point. Now, what did he mean?Marie: He said there’s going to be a configuration of planets.Shri Mataji: It’s true.But do you know about Pluto? About the planet which has come, Pluto? That came with Me on this earth. [inaudible] That’s why you are waiting. If they talk of philosophy they should also talk of Pluto. They just talk of one side. [French chat about the subject] Shri Mataji: Sahaja Yogis should not ask questions.[Laughter] Shri Mataji: What did he say? Marie: He said that if you get Realization you can die from it, it's not important.Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no! Then you become the tree. The seed dies and you become the tree. You have to grow, all right?He understands. He's a seeker. You'd better get it. Seeker lady: Est-ce que Mataji est née scorpion?Marie: She wants to know if you are born as Scorpio.Shri Mataji: No, no. I was born on the 21 of March at twelve o'clock in the daytime, in 1923. Just do the horoscope and you will know. It's another way of knowing. I was born in Chhindwara in the center of India. On the tropic of cancer. [The French lady notes down the info.] Shri Mataji: My horoscope has been published in one of the magazines, all right? But still, I'm very elusive. You'd better get the Realization. [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: What did she say? Marie: She said that she heard the music of "sphere" when she was eight years old. Shri Mataji: What did she say? Marie: The music of "sphere". Shri Mataji: It's better to hear the music of your Spirit. All right? Then you are not a medium but you become the master. Then you control everything. [The lady says that she knows already and she is 75 years old.] Shri Mataji: You'd better get your Realization. Seeker: Je voudrais savoir le point de départ de la méditation.Shri Mataji: What did he say?Marie: He wants to know the point of start of Realization [meditation].Seeker: Comment pratique-t-on la méditation Sahaja Yoga?Marie: How do you practice Sahaja Yoga meditation?Shri Mataji: The start is when the Kundalini rises. When you put your hands towards Me like this, your fingers have those centers of the left and the right. You take out your shoes. Let them, let them do it later one. Later on, you can do it later not now. Take off your shoes is better because the Mother Earth helps you a lot. Mother Earth. Put your shoes at the back. Shri Mataji [to a Sahaja Yogi]: Open the door to get some space. Put the shoes at the back. Now, put your hands towards Me like this. Just like this. And these fingers are seven centers, one, two, three, four, five, six and seven centers. One on the left, one on the right. Now, when you get- the Kundalini receives the information through this channel, through this first centre of innocence. Now, when it is received here, the information, then she starts awakening herself. She's made of many strings of powers, like a rope. Then she starts throwing her strings to the channels here, the channel here [central] through different centers, awakening them, widening them, improving them. Supposing there is an obstruction, then you see the thing pulsating here [sacrum], very strongly in some people who have this. Especially in possessed people. Now, the obstruction here, if removed, then the Kundalini rises or some people don't have any obstruction, then she shoots up. But if supposing, the obstruction here is due to liver troubles you can see the Kundalini going and looking after it. But if there is sufficient space made then, little, little space made, then she rises in any case. She awakens Christ over here and sucks these two in, ego and superego and then creates a space here. And she just goes up. First, it is like this [closed]. Then it is sucked in and a space is made. And that's how you get your real Baptism. You can feel the throbbing here first. When the Kundalini goes above this you become thoughtless, there is no thought in your mind. When she crosses over you start getting cool breeze in the hand, cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, not hot. If there is hot [heat] or there is shaking that means there is a little friction. You have to just throw it away. Now you should see. Some people get it in the right, some in the left, depending on their imbalances. But any Realized soul who is a Sahaja Yogi knows all about it, can give you a balance, can raise your Kundalini, can give you Realization. The same way it will happen to you. Like one enlightened light can enlighten another light. But the light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten another light. You don't do know anything, the candle is ready, just you are enlightened that's how you enlighten another light. It works like that. After some time, we can use the media like a radio, television, the sound and light energy, to pass this energy and can achieve more masse Realization. That's how the science has given us all these. We did that in Australia [She Mataji was on TV] and many people got Realization. Now, there are centres in seven cities of Australia. Paris, I've been coming for how many years? Marie: One and a half. Shri Mataji: No, no, I came last- how many times I came here? Marie: You came four times in one year and a half. Shri Mataji: Four times. And I've been only once to Australia. And we are at least, they are one hundred times more people. Australians are supposed to be the people who are punished for doing something wrong, supposed to be. I mean, they are great-grandchildren but they are very wise, very sensible. That's what it is. We don't know how to judge people. But it's going to be work out. But then we have a center here, where you should go and study, how truth is truth [unsure] Thanks God we have a centre here where they should learn how to improve themselves. They give all Realization in the centre. But you must have an innate desire to grow. You don't have to pay anything, only thing you have to attend to the need of your Spirit. When you get the cool breeze in the hands, a rapport is established to the Divine. You can ask any absolute question. Like, you can ask any absurd question: “Is there God?” And you will get a big flow of that thing. To ask about any guru if he is true, you can find out. Most of these who have come to the West are all thieves [unsure]. They are parasites they want to live on your money. They will go to Hell and they will bring all their disciples with them. So don't be identified with them. You have to be honest. If you are dishonest with yourself, God cannot help you. If you thinks no end of yourself God says: “All right! Go ahead!” You have to be open and cheerful. Because God is anxious to save his creation. All right? May God bless you. Shri Mataji: One more, you were asking a question? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Same question. You are seekers. This is the beautiful children I have seen. These are the seekers. I have come on this earth for these. It gives Me a great, immense pleasure to meet them. I've been speaking so much and traveling. Did they understand the program? Marie: I don't know. Shri Mataji: Can you open the door?Sahaja Yogi: It’s open already, Mother.Marie: No wind.Now, put your hand towards Me like this. [Cut in the audio] Shri Mataji: I think I'll be able to say, carry about it. Why should we have Self-realization? It's a very good subject. Before asking such a question, we have to understand what are we. What is a human being and what are his problems and what he can become. Now, this is a human being here as you see drawn by Ruth. Sahaja Yogi: Warren. Shri Mataji: All right by Warren. You must tell everybody. Well, you have many exterior forms, inside you are just the same. [aside] If you can move that side so that they all can see, all right? Can you? That side. Can you see all? Now, this human being has got his right side, his left side and from [inaudible] and the four dimension there [at Sahasrara]. Now, this side is his past. When he goes beyond it, then it is subconscious that becomes the Collective Subconscious. Now, by this side he goes towards the future. This is the present. Below is the matter, the material thing [under the Mooladhara]. By entering into this realm he becomes collectively supraconscious. Now, a human being has the freedom to enter in any one of these areas. If you indulge into too much then you move onto left side. This is the side of your psyche, your emotions. Those who say we “suffer, we are unhappy” and enjoy their suffering, they go on to the left side. They like to enjoy that movement of their attention. Now, those who move to the right side are ambitious beings. These assert the physical and the mental efforts to activate or to act upon the desire. Now, these, both the sides are easy to go at a human level. Either we live in the future or in the past but not in the present. Now, below the human being is the material side from where animals and all that kingdom is coming. Now he has also the freedom to become the animal-like. His heart can also become like a stone. All these possibilities are there with this human awareness that you have already. When you move towards this side, then in the machines and all those everyone's else matters [unsure] and you start giving too much matter, you become materialistic, then we become slaves of the matter. Like a tree is there to make a chair, a dead thing comes from the dead. Now, if you use a chair, you can't sit on the ground. You have to take the chair everywhere you go. So with that, you become the slave of the matter by habits. Now, those who are moving on the left-hand side are the people who find the life full of aggression. So they want to be sick, they want to indulge into emotional ideas. They think they are very miserable and they go on suffering. It is all artificial and imaginary. Such useless ideas led to the advent of Hitler in Germany. Jews denied the advent of Christ, who came at this point of our awareness [Agnya]. And because he has suffered for us and you don't have to suffer at all anymore. If you can awaken him somehow, then he can suck in all your sufferings and also he can forgive you. He takes away all your sins. But Jews did not want to accept this. They said: “We are suffering, we have to suffer.” in Germany. And when there was a recession all over, people were very depressed on the left side. A satanic depressive force was working on them, collectively. It's a very, very intellectual nonsensical emotional – what you call that?- blackmail. And the French call “les miserables”. There is no need to be miserable. They ask for miseries and suffering so they have it. You ask an aggressor to come in from the right side. He came on this earth just to make them suffer and they suffered. But even now, they say the same thing. Now, this is the right side in which you enter when you aggress too much, when you plan and organize. For example, it is planned to reach here, just say by seven o'clock. And you can't come because there is a crowd. Because you are planning you honk at everyone, you shout at everyone, you'll be absolutely very aggressive because you came after [unsure]. Because you think you have a right to reach that place exactly on time. That is how you plan out everything, that you should be comfortable, that everything should work out for your comfort. But you do not think about the plan of the Divine. And when it happens that your plans fail, then you start getting angry. They mostly fail. For example, whatever you produce by this side, atom bomb, neutron bombs, all these things are now frightening you. The atomic bomb is your creation, it's the human beings that have created it and now they are afraid of it. [Laughter] What have you created out of your scientific knowledge is all weapons of war. War against your own people, your brothers and sisters, your own part and parcel and that's how you to destruction. The left-sided person destroy himself while the right-sided destroy others. In any way, it is destroyed. There is no construction. The construction comes through the central force of evolution. By evolution, you have come up to the stage where you are today a human being. At this stage of your freedom, you have to choose what you want to be. When you enter into the materialistic side, you become the slave of the matter. When you enter into the left-hand side, you become the slave of the sicknesses like cancer. You get possessed, you become schizophrenic, you end up in a mental asylum. On the right-hand side when you move, you get your heart attacks. Because by moving on the right-hand side you are neglecting your Spirit that is in the heart- human beings without a heart. [Laughter] The heart should be the heart. In the heart resides the Spirit, the one who is the master of this vehicle till human awareness, this master which is the Spirit, does not come into your conscious mind. He is just watching like a master sitting behind in the car. Now, this is the motor car, this is the accelerator and this is the brake. And the master is sitting and watching the game. Ultimately, you learn how to drive. I don't know how many cars you break before that, how many human beings you've been, but ultimately you know how to drive. When do you know how to drive? When you know. When you know only that is the time when you are the master. Because the master knows now you know how to drive and he becomes one with you. So you become master of your Self, no more a slave of these things. For example, some people who get possessed start dancing, jumping like fools. All this idiotic behaviour they think is spiritual. God is not going to make you an idiot now. He is going to give you the Super Consciousness. So, you have to become that because that is the seat, that is the seat of your Spirit. Unless and until you become the Spirit, you are not yet connected to the whole. The Spirit is the Collective Being within you. And once you get connected with that, you also become, you actualize the experience of Self-realization which is collectivity. So, if you are not Self-realized, you are moving like the ship which has no captain, sometimes to this side and sometimes to that area or sometimes to this. You have no purpose, you have no absolute awareness, you are confused. You don't know whether to go towards materialism or towards aggression or towards depression. You try everything and the world becomes more and more miserable and unhappy. And then one starts thinking that there is a big chock of complete destruction is awaiting us. You don't have to worry on this part: the One who has created you, the One who has created this universe, the One who has made you a human being is going to give you that which is the power of the Spirit. It's like a villager worrying about the airplane, who, to reduce the weight of the airplane, carries his bags on his head. He does not know that the airplane in which he is sitting is carrying his load and the load that he has. Because he is ignorant, he has no eyes to see he is blind. Like in this room, when you enter, and it's dark, you are blind, you can't see anything. You falter here and there, hurt yourself. Sometimes you say that this mike is this room, sometimes this candlestick anything whatsoever, you find little bit moving. The truth is that you don't have the light as yet. That your eyes have still to be opened and that you have all these possibilities built-in you. You have been built up like that in your evolution, all different bits are the milestone of your evolution. Your breakthrough has to come. That will happen through the Grace of God. If you are doing any seeking beyond then must know that it has to be your Spirit and Self. Now, when you become the master of the whole thing, the physical problems are of course a misuse of this part. And the emotional problems that have come by using this part, the problems of your mental- ah, you see, English words I don't know, but what I mean, the brain- are also here which you have spoiled. Like rationality, rationality is a limited thing. You cannot go to the unlimited by this limited. Rationality can rationalize anything. There was a bank robber in France, many people rationalized him to be a saint. You can even rationalize Hitler, everything you can rationalize. It is the intelligence that cheats you all the time to rationalize. But logic is different. Logic comes through wisdom which is to be in the centre. And you develop your wisdom by making mistakes and understanding these two forces [inaudible]. Now, God has placed within us, in the triangular bone, that power which we call the Kundalini. That is like a coil you have in the machine. All your instrument – or the yantra- has been made beautifully with care and with love. And this coil is placed there. Now, this is not a dead machine and Divine Power is of the Living God. Everything that is divine is spontaneous because it is living like a flower becoming a fruit. What we do is all dead. Only after Self-realization, we start doing living work. I will tell about it later on. Now, this Kundalini rises spontaneously like the Mother Earth works out the sprouting of the seed. Supposing you stand on your head before the seed, will it rise? Can you pay money for its awakening and germinating? Do we pay for to the trees for growing-up? What effort do they put in to become a fruit? What effort have you put in to become human beings? Did we rationalize? Did we cut our tails? Did we think about it and we have become such beautiful human beings? We must think: “Why” “Why do we have become? Why such a beautiful instrument created? What is the purpose? You do not know because you are not yet connected to the mains. So, before setting the connection, what's the use of planning anything? If your telephone is not connected, how do we dial? All efforts we are doing up towards rising, without Realizations, are absolutely useless. Do we mean to say intellectuals are the only people who are going to receive Realization in this world? Only the people who rationalize themselves, and who have read all kinds of books of the world, are going to get Realization? You must know that it is very difficult if you have too much of ego in this to get into that. As Christ has said that it is very difficult for the rich to enter into the kingdom of God as a camel to go through the hole of a needle. It's the simple people who are wise who get Realization much faster. For example, in an Indian village if you want to see there are six thousand people in one place where I go, they come from all other places from miles together. There are always in thousands and they get Realization just like that because they are wise. They do not try to rationalize God and also organize it. And they get it. But I was in Portugal or in Spain, very disappointing. They asked Me thousand-and-one questions and I had to work on every individual. In this whole of Paris, only such so many people are seekers? To Me it's the same. But very few people really seek in the West. They are ego oriented. They like people who pamper their ego or hypnotize. They run after people who try to fake God, who take their money, take all they have, they spoil their Kundalini and damage them completely. But they are so mesmerized that then they do not rationalize. So I get people who come to me damaged and those who are identified with those people who have damaged them. There is a devil and an anti-Christ who is working it out and you play with it. And there is another type who come to Me who try to rationalize. Both are not good for Sahaja Yoga. With no mental activity, you can get this Kundalini rise, no physical activity, you can make this Kundalini rise. She knows everything. She is love and she knows a true and a pure love. She is your chastity. She is your holiness still non-manifested, extremely unhappy by the way you have used your freedom. I've seen the Kundalini in the most miserable state. She just goes on in desperation, banging her head. Many people have holes in the Kundalini and wounds. These are to be repaired in love and care. But, very few really love themselves and have self-esteem and they do not believe that they are the Spirit, that they are the beauty, they are the joy, they are all the dynamic powers of Divine love. Now the world is standing at the precipice of construction or destruction. You have to understand yourself, that you have to become your Spirit. No use doing this or that, becoming is the point. Some people have their gurus who have given them no knowledge, no light, they are like blind sheep following their way to Hell. They have to rise and awake to the fact, to know: “What have we achieved?” What powers have you achieved? When you get this power, you can cure people, you can cure the mental people. And you become peaceful and joyful. The time has come for your transformation. You'd better take it. When the transformation comes you'll become a different person like a cocoon becomes the caterpillar. The caterpillar becomes the- the cocoon of the caterpillar becomes the butterfly. Like the egg becomes the bird. But still, some points of the egg are hanging. So you have to go to transmutation. Both things are achieved by the Kundalini rising. First, she transforms you and then she transmutes you. She does the job and not your mental activity. When you think, a though rises within you from the past and goes – say from the past or anywhere, from the future- and goes into past. Then another though rises and falls back. Now, you can see the rising of the thought but not the fall. And in between these two there's a gap, that's very little, that is the present. You actually jump from here to here, to here to here, all the-what you call them, [inaudible] the ridge, and so that you lose complete contact with this. Some inspiration sometimes drops into you from the Unconscious. But you are not capable to judge it. And that's how you go on living blind life. If I have to write about the advantages of getting Self-realization, it will be such a big book a real Bible. How can you describe everything? Only thing is that is what you are, this beautiful diamond which I see in you, which you have to be. Do not have any barriers between you, any aggression. Have no barriers of your ego. Try to get your Realization. It's very difficult in the West but it works out. In England, I have about seven people, one of them is this Marie, [laughter] who took four years to get established in their Self. Realization is easy but to establish is not easy. After Realization, you should know the technique of handling the Divine Power. As after connecting this to the mains you should know about all the buttons, how to work it out. Because without connection what's the use of knowing? It is straight forward, simple. But we are complicated, it doesn't matter, it will work out. You have to have patience. I will be giving three lectures in Paris, two, two lectures in Paris. The second one is on? Marie: Friday here, same time. Shri Mataji: All right. I hope you will all come again on time. Even if you get your Realization, you have to establish it. You all are seekers for ages. And unless and until you find out your Self, you are not going to be happy. I don't know French, but in English, there is a poet who has written about these times, William Blake. He said that: “Men of God will become prophets in these times. And these prophets will have the special capacity to make others prophets.” And this [inaudible] England which is lethargic and is going down, will become the Jerusalem. He has mentioned lots of things which are exactly the same [in “Milton”]. Like he said the first lights will be seen and shine in Surrey's hills. I stayed in Surrey's hills. We started our first centre in Lambeth’s Vale where I laid the foundations. And it's written the foundations will begin in Lambeth’s Vale. So, logically- [End of tape]

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Public Program Day 2 So any questions please?Question: She would like to know exactly what the Sahaja Yoga means because she said I was explaining. She thinks it would apply to any Yoga.Shri Mataji: There are four types of Yoga described so far, by Shri Krishna, because he was a diplomat and He was very aware that people are stupid. He tried to befool them. Because they won't accept anything straightforward. So the first one He said that is Gyana Yoga, means you achieve it and you become the knowledge. The second one, He says, is Karma Yoga, which means that whatever you do you leave it at the Lotus Feet of God. But that is not possible, is an absurd condition. You can't just do it. Because as long as you have ego, you are just mentally thinking like that, but you are not really doing it. You have to do something; then you know you are doing it. Only when you get your Realization, then only you say it is going, is coming the energy. Then you don't say, "I do".See, for example you have a brother. You will say, "All right, I will try if I can give him realization." Then he doesn't get the realization, supposing. Then I can't help it. He doesn't need. It doesn't work out. You talk the third case. That means you are not identified with "I". You don't say, "I did not do". So without realization if you say that whatever work I do is to serve the Lord, is a myth, is a myth. Because you are still with your ego. You are just doing it to please your ego. And you expect something to happen. You expect, you always expect something to happen. If it does not happen you feel that you have not achieved.For example, today we have so few people here. I'm not bothered. What can I do? If people don't have sense, wisdom, thinking, you cannot force them. Today I saw three people sitting on the bench of the road. Perhaps they were seriously discussing there is a catastrophe expected in 1983. He was quite excited. It's quite enchanting, you see, that there is a catastrophe. And they were saying tha,: "In any case we are going to be destroyed. So why not talk about this?" But if you tell them that you can be saved, they don't want to do it. So, those who believe that whatever they do it is at the Lotus Feet of God is all wrong, is all mythical. They are all wrong. They really live in fool's paradise.Now, the another thing He told is about Bhakt -Yoga, is worshipping God. So He says, in Bhakti Yoga He has used a very interesting word called Ananya. So He said that if you do Ananya Bhakti, then that is perfect. But Ananya means when you are connected with it, when you are one with it. So those who go on praying to God without connection are like people who are telephoning without connection. He said it but in a very clever way. Because people who are ego, full of ego, are idiotic, you see. And He said that if you cannot [unclear: take, make] out the butter in a straight way, you have to bend the finger like this. That's what He did.The fourth thing He has described is the Raja Yoga. There is described that something should happen something within us, and there's a tree of life, and that when it happens then only you get connected.Now we have another thing which is described, [that] is Hatha Yoga. That was at Patanjali, is about, say, much before Krishna. About, say, seven thousand years back. That time the people lived in a different way. For twenty-five years they led absolute celibate life in a university. And the university was governed by a very highly realized soul with other teachers who were also realized souls. But the pupils there were not made celibate. They were innocent, kept innocent by innocence around, with the atmosphere. Till today even you can't marry among the same university people. That's called as Gotra. So Hatha Yoga was the Yoga of these two Kundalinis, the two channels, Ha and Tha, means the Surya Nadi and Chandra Nadi, means sun channel and moon channel. You have told them about it. All right, these Nadis you see there, too, one for your desire, one for your action. So they tried first of all to cleanse these nadis by doing things which were auspicious, like not going to extremes, leading a good life, keeping your attention on God. And then the main thing was Ishwara pranidhan, means the establishment of God in your heart, means realization. After realization they would go into other things.But this modern Western Hatha Yoga is one sixteenth of what it is really the whole. It has to be done when you are absolutely celibate, before marriage. You should not even have adulterous eyes, so innocent you should be. And these people are just doing physical exercises without even understanding which one is needed for which center, which chakra, nothing. They have no knowledge. It is like drinking all the pharmacy in your stomach without understanding. Moreover, if you pay so much attention to your body, you become emotionally very, very bad. You may develop a stone-like heart. You could be very hot-tempered. Because you don't pay any attention to your Spirit, you might get a heart attack. In the West people are naive about it. In India nobody does this kind of extreme things; nobody does, except for people who are westernized. The westernized people try to behave like you people do. They see hippies; so they become hippies. They don't know why. If you take drugs, they take drugs. If you drink, they drink. They will pay any amount to get scotch, say, for example. You see, they have become stupid. So, in the villages people are very, very sensible and wise.Imagine, if I go to any village in India, there would nothing short six to eight thousand people, coming from miles together on bullock carts. They don't have radios, they don't have any newspaper, but how the news spreads. Just like the bees know about the flowers, they come from miles. Here people are so ego-oriented. They haven't got anything so far. I don't know what's going to happen. I've been many a times in France, also. In India I only hardly go for two years. One year I was in America, useless people. They liked to do guru shopping. They go to a supermarket of gurus, paying everywhere money. So much foolish! How are we to talk to them?Then I came to London because My husband got elected. I go to India hardly for two months every year. We have thousands in India. These have seen them. All of them have seen them. But here, whatever you may do, nobody is bothered. They are only depending on the catastrophe to call all the problems. So there is only one thing that has to happen, is the germination of your Kundalini. But you have to have somebody from the Divine to do it. It is all prophesized in Indian scriptures. Even William Blake has prophesized about Me. Of course, England is better than anywhere else. But in India people know Me. They know what it is. About Christ people knew before [Me], it was all prophesized. But these horrible Jews and Arabian, all these people crucified Him. They wouldn't accept Him. But this time you better have it. Because God is not going to forgive. You get your realization first, develop yourself, and see with [HUMILITY, SERENITY, SPLENDIDLY], become your Self, and then you can give it to others also. So get out of this ego business.First of all you cannot give Me anything. I've not come here to take anything from you. You are more impressed by people who take money because you think you have bought something. Give up this attitude of shopping. There is nothing selling here. You have to have something which is your own, that is in your heart. People mesmerize you and take away all your money, everything, and you go after such people. There was a guru called Rajneesh. He said he is God. And thousand and thousand were looted in India. He could not smell a flower, as he used to get asthma. It is said that God is fond of flowers. He could not bear this scent. And it is said that God is fond of this scent. He could not see the light, fire. Look at him! And there were thousand going from France. Lots of French men were there, mostly French and Japanese. Because he was anti-Christ. He told them that he can have mass sex, so they were very happy. And all these dirty things he taught them. Now he got paralysis; he couldn't speak. He has to run away. God has fled now. He went to, he went to, what place God knows, he is lost. But yesterday there was a girl wearing his [unclear: pink silk, thing still]. I told her, "What has happened? Take it out." She said, "What is to do with this? This, after all, if it means nothing, so why to worry?" That's a plastic thing. But she must have paid about hundred pounds, I'm sure. So she doesn't want to give up. It is poison. But she has paid so she must wear it, whether it is poison.Ego makes your intelligence also very blind. It cannot see. Your heart becomes also very, very, this thing, like a stone. Heart becomes like a stone. You can't love. You can't trust other. It's a very bad curse, because you cannot know that you are wrong. The ideal ego was Hitler. It is like that.So let us try to get realization, get connected with God, so that you get the knowledge. Not rationally, but on your sensitivity, about collective living, about collective life, to become a super human being. Now whatever you will do, it goes at the Lotus Feet of the Lord. Now you sing the praise and He hears you. A rapport is established. You ask God, "Is there God?" and you will get the cool breeze. That is how He shows. You must ask for reality and don't live with falsehood. I've told last time to the Orleans people that Last Judgment has started. Your Kundalini when she rises, she teaches you how to judge yourself and then She teaches you. She teaches you. You should know how to correct. And if you do not do it, you will be at a loss. The first thing is cancer. Second thing is lunacy. All kind of things can happen on both the sides. This is the problem people should know. The catastrophe is not going to come from outside; it is going to come from within. I told them, but see today how many people have come. This is the problem. All right? May God bless you.So this is the spontaneous happening of the living God. This is a happening, actual happening. And if I'm doing that to masses, then there must be something about Me. But I'm not going to say I'm God or anything. You better find out who I am. That's a better thing. If I say anything, your ego will come out. That's what happened when Christ said that, "I'm the Son of God." So I'm not going to say anything. It's a mystery. But you'll discover later on. All right? Now, any other question? Then we can start.Don't bring in other people, because if I say you won't like. He got into France through this woman. When she died, she had such big, big diamonds. But from where did she get it? She had a huge, big villa here in Paris. And her son has now sued the ashram to get all the jewelries back. Horrible things have happened. There is one big officer who was put in jail because of her, because he has lot of [UNCLEAR]. She used to say that if you have to come to her ashram you must give all her assets, all your assets to her. Why should you live on other people's money? You are a parasite if you do that. She has given lots of physical problems to all these people. And in the ashram now people have found out this is horrible. So don't bring in people.There are real people also. They don't take any money. They live in the forest. But if they come out, people try to kill them. People are always against real people. They like false people because false people are good at pampering ego. So forget it. Now any confusion? What's the matter? How are you? How are you feeling? How are you? Better, ha? Now put your left arm towards me and right hand up.

Public Program Day 2 So any questions please?Question: She would like to know exactly what the Sahaja Yoga means because she said I was explaining. She thinks it would apply to any Yoga.Shri Mataji: There are four types of Yoga described so far, by Shri Krishna, because he was a diplomat and He was very aware that people are stupid. He tried to befool them. Because they won't accept anything straightforward. So the first one He said that is Gyana Yoga, means you achieve it and you become the knowledge. The second one, He says, is Karma Yoga, which means that whatever you do you leave it at the Lotus Feet of God. But that is not possible, is an absurd condition. You can't just do it. Because as long as you have ego, you are just mentally thinking like that, but you are not really doing it. You have to do something; then you know you are doing it. Only when you get your Realization, then only you say it is going, is coming the energy. Then you don't say, "I do".See, for example you have a brother. You will say, "All right, I will try if I can give him realization." Then he doesn't get the realization, supposing. Then I can't help it. He doesn't need. It doesn't work out. You talk the third case. That means you are not identified with "I". You don't say, "I did not do". So without realization if you say that whatever work I do is to serve the Lord, is a myth, is a myth. Because you are still with your ego. You are just doing it to please your ego. And you expect something to happen. You expect, you always expect something to happen. If it does not happen you feel that you have not achieved.For example, today we have so few people here. I'm not bothered. What can I do? If people don't have sense, wisdom, thinking, you cannot force them. Today I saw three people sitting on the bench of the road. Perhaps they were seriously discussing there is a catastrophe expected in 1983. He was quite excited. It's quite enchanting, you see, that there is a catastrophe. And they were saying tha,: "In any case we are going to be destroyed. So why not talk about this?" But if you tell them that you can be saved, they don't want to do it. So, those who believe that whatever they do it is at the Lotus Feet of God is all wrong, is all mythical. They are all wrong. They really live in fool's paradise.Now, the another thing He told is about Bhakt -Yoga, is worshipping God. So He says, in Bhakti Yoga He has used a very interesting word called Ananya. So He said that if you do Ananya Bhakti, then that is perfect. But Ananya means when you are connected with it, when you are one with it. So those who go on praying to God without connection are like people who are telephoning without connection. He said it but in a very clever way. Because people who are ego, full of ego, are idiotic, you see. And He said that if you cannot [unclear: take, make] out the butter in a straight way, you have to bend the finger like this. That's what He did.The fourth thing He has described is the Raja Yoga. There is described that something should happen something within us, and there's a tree of life, and that when it happens then only you get connected.Now we have another thing which is described, [that] is Hatha Yoga. That was at Patanjali, is about, say, much before Krishna. About, say, seven thousand years back. That time the people lived in a different way. For twenty-five years they led absolute celibate life in a university. And the university was governed by a very highly realized soul with other teachers who were also realized souls. But the pupils there were not made celibate. They were innocent, kept innocent by innocence around, with the atmosphere. Till today even you can't marry among the same university people. That's called as Gotra. So Hatha Yoga was the Yoga of these two Kundalinis, the two channels, Ha and Tha, means the Surya Nadi and Chandra Nadi, means sun channel and moon channel. You have told them about it. All right, these Nadis you see there, too, one for your desire, one for your action. So they tried first of all to cleanse these nadis by doing things which were auspicious, like not going to extremes, leading a good life, keeping your attention on God. And then the main thing was Ishwara pranidhan, means the establishment of God in your heart, means realization. After realization they would go into other things.But this modern Western Hatha Yoga is one sixteenth of what it is really the whole. It has to be done when you are absolutely celibate, before marriage. You should not even have adulterous eyes, so innocent you should be. And these people are just doing physical exercises without even understanding which one is needed for which center, which chakra, nothing. They have no knowledge. It is like drinking all the pharmacy in your stomach without understanding. Moreover, if you pay so much attention to your body, you become emotionally very, very bad. You may develop a stone-like heart. You could be very hot-tempered. Because you don't pay any attention to your Spirit, you might get a heart attack. In the West people are naive about it. In India nobody does this kind of extreme things; nobody does, except for people who are westernized. The westernized people try to behave like you people do. They see hippies; so they become hippies. They don't know why. If you take drugs, they take drugs. If you drink, they drink. They will pay any amount to get scotch, say, for example. You see, they have become stupid. So, in the villages people are very, very sensible and wise.Imagine, if I go to any village in India, there would nothing short six to eight thousand people, coming from miles together on bullock carts. They don't have radios, they don't have any newspaper, but how the news spreads. Just like the bees know about the flowers, they come from miles. Here people are so ego-oriented. They haven't got anything so far. I don't know what's going to happen. I've been many a times in France, also. In India I only hardly go for two years. One year I was in America, useless people. They liked to do guru shopping. They go to a supermarket of gurus, paying everywhere money. So much foolish! How are we to talk to them?Then I came to London because My husband got elected. I go to India hardly for two months every year. We have thousands in India. These have seen them. All of them have seen them. But here, whatever you may do, nobody is bothered. They are only depending on the catastrophe to call all the problems. So there is only one thing that has to happen, is the germination of your Kundalini. But you have to have somebody from the Divine to do it. It is all prophesized in Indian scriptures. Even William Blake has prophesized about Me. Of course, England is better than anywhere else. But in India people know Me. They know what it is. About Christ people knew before [Me], it was all prophesized. But these horrible Jews and Arabian, all these people crucified Him. They wouldn't accept Him. But this time you better have it. Because God is not going to forgive. You get your realization first, develop yourself, and see with [HUMILITY, SERENITY, SPLENDIDLY], become your Self, and then you can give it to others also. So get out of this ego business.First of all you cannot give Me anything. I've not come here to take anything from you. You are more impressed by people who take money because you think you have bought something. Give up this attitude of shopping. There is nothing selling here. You have to have something which is your own, that is in your heart. People mesmerize you and take away all your money, everything, and you go after such people. There was a guru called Rajneesh. He said he is God. And thousand and thousand were looted in India. He could not smell a flower, as he used to get asthma. It is said that God is fond of flowers. He could not bear this scent. And it is said that God is fond of this scent. He could not see the light, fire. Look at him! And there were thousand going from France. Lots of French men were there, mostly French and Japanese. Because he was anti-Christ. He told them that he can have mass sex, so they were very happy. And all these dirty things he taught them. Now he got paralysis; he couldn't speak. He has to run away. God has fled now. He went to, he went to, what place God knows, he is lost. But yesterday there was a girl wearing his [unclear: pink silk, thing still]. I told her, "What has happened? Take it out." She said, "What is to do with this? This, after all, if it means nothing, so why to worry?" That's a plastic thing. But she must have paid about hundred pounds, I'm sure. So she doesn't want to give up. It is poison. But she has paid so she must wear it, whether it is poison.Ego makes your intelligence also very blind. It cannot see. Your heart becomes also very, very, this thing, like a stone. Heart becomes like a stone. You can't love. You can't trust other. It's a very bad curse, because you cannot know that you are wrong. The ideal ego was Hitler. It is like that.So let us try to get realization, get connected with God, so that you get the knowledge. Not rationally, but on your sensitivity, about collective living, about collective life, to become a super human being. Now whatever you will do, it goes at the Lotus Feet of the Lord. Now you sing the praise and He hears you. A rapport is established. You ask God, "Is there God?" and you will get the cool breeze. That is how He shows. You must ask for reality and don't live with falsehood. I've told last time to the Orleans people that Last Judgment has started. Your Kundalini when she rises, she teaches you how to judge yourself and then She teaches you. She teaches you. You should know how to correct. And if you do not do it, you will be at a loss. The first thing is cancer. Second thing is lunacy. All kind of things can happen on both the sides. This is the problem people should know. The catastrophe is not going to come from outside; it is going to come from within. I told them, but see today how many people have come. This is the problem. All right? May God bless you.So this is the spontaneous happening of the living God. This is a happening, actual happening. And if I'm doing that to masses, then there must be something about Me. But I'm not going to say I'm God or anything. You better find out who I am. That's a better thing. If I say anything, your ego will come out. That's what happened when Christ said that, "I'm the Son of God." So I'm not going to say anything. It's a mystery. But you'll discover later on. All right? Now, any other question? Then we can start.Don't bring in other people, because if I say you won't like. He got into France through this woman. When she died, she had such big, big diamonds. But from where did she get it? She had a huge, big villa here in Paris. And her son has now sued the ashram to get all the jewelries back. Horrible things have happened. There is one big officer who was put in jail because of her, because he has lot of [UNCLEAR]. She used to say that if you have to come to her ashram you must give all her assets, all your assets to her. Why should you live on other people's money? You are a parasite if you do that. She has given lots of physical problems to all these people. And in the ashram now people have found out this is horrible. So don't bring in people.There are real people also. They don't take any money. They live in the forest. But if they come out, people try to kill them. People are always against real people. They like false people because false people are good at pampering ego. So forget it. Now any confusion? What's the matter? How are you? How are you feeling? How are you? Better, ha? Now put your left arm towards me and right hand up.

9/11/1981

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Public Program, day 3, Paris (France), 11 September 1981. ...Because the tree of life has reached a stage where it has created a human being who is a seeker, not all, but many of them, are in a special category of seeking. Say, about a hundred years back, people were busy seeking power, overpowering other countries, mobilizing all their energies in enjoying their overpowering and the rest of the world was under slavery. Then the power game shifted to more, we can say, the material or possession game. The industrial revolution took place and people started converting matter into different forms. And then came a time when people thought of playing emotional games and I told you how there was a rise of Hitler who was anti-God and how he made the Jews suffer because Jews believed in suffering. They did not believe in God or Christ and they did not believe in Christ, because Christ had already suffered. So they thought that “If we accept Christ, then we cannot say we are suffering” and so they said “We have to suffer.” That we call as a collective superego activity in which a person wants suffering. Masochism. So a sadist like Hitler came into power and they suffered. Now we have to know that Christ came on this Earth to suffer for us once for all. Now we don’t have to suffer any more. Those intellectuals who talk of this nonsense of sufferings themselves make others suffer by their nonsense. After the Advent of Christ only thing you have to do was to awaken Christ within you, Who would suck all your past and all your future, all your karmas and conditionings and all your desires. Christ came on this Earth at this point of our awareness, at this point. In the optic chiasma there is a very small center where Christ is existing. This center is very important. Is the door, is the door to the Kingdom of... in between here is the Kingdom of God, the limbic area. You have to just enter into that Kingdom of Heaven by entering through the narrow door or gate which was held by Christ. The method, the technique of awakening Christ was living technique. It is spontaneous. It is evolutionary. It is not that you can think about it and rationalize it. It is not that you can say that we can activate it, or manipulate it, or organize it. It is not in your hands. It is not your area; is the area of the Divine. Like a flower becoming a fruit, is not your area. You becoming a human being is not your area. What effort did you put in to become a human being? If you can realize that point that it is beyond human control, that God’s grace can only work it out, you would not indulge into any techniques which are dead. Like, it would be like offering a one franc to this flower to become the fruit. So we should not live in absurd ideas. We should come logically to the point that if the Divine Power is living, it has to be spontaneous. With your mental activity you can create atom bombs, neutron bombs and all kinds of problems, but you cannot create evolution. And the mass evolution you can never achieve by organizing in the name of God. You cannot organize God. He organizes you. He does everything. Very difficult for the modern ego to accept such a situation. They prefer to go round the shopping to find out something by which they can pay money and satisfy their egos that they are seeking. I verily say to you, these are all false prophets and anti-Christ. Be very careful about them. You cannot make money in the name of God. And those who believe who can pay for God should know they can never enter into the Kingdom of God. Second thing is that you cannot use your physical power to achieve God. Within us lies the power of our germination, here. We have that power within us. Every seed has the primula. You put the seed in the Mother Earth. With her warmth the seed germinates spontaneously. You don’t have to go and stand on the head for the seed to germinate. Is the easiest thing to germinate a seed. But, say, about of thousand of years back when people did not know how to do germination, it might have been very difficult to them. When they found out that the Mother Earth can germinate they started doing all kinds of agriculture. And Krishna came on this center of yours. He talked of collectivity. He is called Krishna, means the One who is come to do the soil. “Krishi” means soil. So He sowed the seed of seeking within us, seed of Kundalini within us, in the sense that the seeking was sown within us at this point when the man raised his head above. And He said in His Gita that “The one that is never dying, eternal, is your Spirit.” That Spirit resides in your heart. And one has to achieve that Spirit. And to achieve that Spirit, in the very outset He said “You have to become.” He was not a shopkeeper who says first the useless things and then the real things. He absolutely, straightforward, He said that “You have to become.” But Arjuna was an intellectual and a mediocre, His disciple. He couldn’t understand that, “If I have to become something, then why He is saying I should to go to war?” He also believed, like all intellectuals do, that everybody is Christ. Even Christ has said that it is not so. He always talked about the evil, about the Satan. He talked about the fake gurus. He said that “Don’t throw your pearls before the swines” and He took a hunter in His hand to hit the people who were selling God in the church. So Arjuna was dodged by Krishna because he would not come straightforward. He asked a question: “Here You are saying you have to become that and there you are saying you have to fight these evil doers.” So Krishna said “All right.” He gave a very tricky thing. To a complicated man you must give a complicated thing to confuse him. He was an Incarnation. He was the Incarnation of diplomacy. That was also six thousand years back. So he said “All right, you go to war and whatever you do, put at the Lotus Feet of God.” This is the best way to befool a complicated person. So the complicated one believes that “I’m doing this work and serving the Lord.” He believes in his ignorance because intelligence cheats itself. So he very nicely believes that “Whatever I do, I do it at the Lotus Feet of God. I offer it there.” But it’s not true. One is deceiving oneself. As long as there is ego in your brain, whatever you may do, you will know that, you will feel, you will identify that you are doing it. Only when this ego is sucked in, then you say “It is happening. It is flowing.” Like the sun shines. It is just shining because that is its nature. It is emitting because that is its nature. When you will become your nature, the Spirit, everything will emit. You will not know that you are doing it. You have to become a hollow personality. But Krishna wanted to complicate it. Second point He said that “There is another way you can worship. Worship Me and everything will be all right”, He said. But He did not say that “You directly worship Me”. He said “Ananya bhakti”. Again a twist. Ananya means when there is not the other, when there is a connection established. That means you have to become. Without becoming there is no use telephoning. No connection with God. The connection has to be established. I’ve heard people, I’ve seen people writing so many bhakti songs. They are saying “Hare Rama, hare Krishna” everywhere, like mad, like abnormal. In that London, on a street they stand like foolish people and beg and sing the praise of Shri Krishna, completely defacing Him. They live on beggary. Now are you going to become beggars after this? Are going to become mad people dancing on the street, getting throat cancers? What do you expect yourself to be when you become? The fourth thing He said that “There is an arrangement within you, Raja Yoga, which goes into play”. This is that arrangement within you. He says “The tree is upside down”. That is what it is within you all, the tree of life. This is the tree of life which is described in the Bible. So all these four things that He said are one. That is, within us is placed this great mechanism which spontaneously works out our Self-realization, becoming, by which your karmas or your actions become spontaneous and you get connected with God. So you are – your bhakti has some meaning. Your devotion has some meaning. Krishna was all right. Six thousand years back He only talked to one Arjuna. And since then people have been writing criticisms and criticisms and books after books on Gita and there are at least five hundred books written recently only, recently. This is the complication we are facing all the time. And we should get out of it. Christ came on this Earth, as I told you, to fulfill what Krishna has said, that it cannot be killed, it cannot be crucified, it cannot be blown away with wind, it is eternal. That’s why He came and Resurrection is the sign of His proving what Krishna said, because He was Divine Love. Then Christianity came. They made a nice jam out of Christ also. They can never understand. To understand the tomfoolery of Christianity you should go and talk to a Jew. And if you want to know about the stupidity of Jews, go and talk to a Muslim. And if you want to know the stupidity of the Muslims, go and ask a Hindu. They all think they are the wisest going round, the fanatics. How could there be fanaticism in God? This is the madness in which today we are. One side we have the fanatics; the other side we have who do not believe in God. A boy from Algeria came to see Me, very well educated and he told Me that fundamentalists are coming in Algeria and the young people are now taking to communism. So imagine all the old fanatics on one side and all the reactionaries young on the other side. And truth is lost somewhere there. This boy got his Realization. He went and told them that “There is God. We have to first see the blessings of our Spirit. Unless and until you have enlightenment you cannot know anything about God.” At the time of Buddha, when He came about 2000 years back, when He searched all over the places and He got tired. He exists here, near the ego. He got His Realization and He didn’t talk of God. Because He thought that “Why talk of the further step? And people are so ego-oriented that if you tell them ‘You have to surrender to God’, they say ‘No’, so better not talk of God at all. Just talk of the Spirit”. And He said that “Everything is a thought for the time being”. When you are below this center, there are thoughts in your mind. Beyond this when you go there is no thought. So just to bring down the ego-oriented to the point of Realization, to bring them to logical conclusion that you must have Self-Realization, He very cleverly avoided God. You have to do it. What to do? The only concern of all these people is that you should find yourself in the Kingdom of God. But how the small children are to be goaded to it? First they talked of all these chakras and their Deities in there and they said “Worship the Deity”. So they started rituals. They created Gods, reproduced them and started worshipping them. So as a reaction to that, they started talking of an abstract God. Whether you talk of the material God or about the abstract God, whether you talk about the flower or the honey, you just talk. You have to become the bee to get the honey. You cannot get the honey just by saying or talking about honey. So everything becomes a talk. People very religiously sit down and discuss God. It’s most surprising for Me. You have to become. It’s an actualization. It’s a real baptism you must have. It is your right to have it. You are seeking that alone and nothing else. You have to get it within yourself. If you cannot get it, then you are not going to be a happy person. Don’t run after falsehood. Ask for the Reality and the Reality is that the Spirit resides within your heart. You don’t have to travel for that. Guru Nanaka has said “O, mad man, where are you traveling? It is in your heart. You just wait. It will work out. Balance yourself. Lead a balanced life. Don’t go to extremes”. Same Moses said, same Abraham said, same Lao Tse said, same Mohamed said. Everybody has said the same thing. In the early days of human history there were only very, very few people and it was prophesized many times that in these modern times, the Kali Yuga, many seekers will be born, many men of God will be born and they will become prophets and not mad and lunatics or bankrupts, but prophets and they will have a special quality by which they will make others the prophets. This has to happen. The time has come. It is your own birth right to have it. There is nothing else that you will ask for. So have patience with yourself, for it is very easy to raise the Kundalini in you, firstly because there is a bank balance. I have to cash it. Secondly you deserve it. Is very important to understand, there is nothing selling here. Without the light, without the eyes you cannot see anything. This has to happen. This is spontaneous, Sahaja. Saha means with; ja means born. It’s born with you. All this is born with you. These centers are the step-stones or, you can say, the milestones of your evolution. This is where you became carbon, the first one, is the matter which is innocent. So this is the innocence. This centre controls four sub-plexuses. It is innocent and it is for your excretion. Now be careful to see that this is placed under the Kundalini, not above. Now this power, when it rises, it doesn’t pierce through this. So the one that controls the sex has nothing to do with your evolution. Those who believe that God can be achieved by sex perversion are anti-Christ. Christ has said that “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. But He never said you have nunneries and an absurd, abnormal life, but a normal, majestic life of married life, of majesty and dignity. This type of people who try to put sex on Kundalini get into terrible troubles in themselves, because the Deity of this center reacts violently with anger. This Deity is sitting here to look after the chastity of your Holy Mother, that is, Kundalini. You cannot touch the Kundalini. Unholy people, who are not authorized by God, when they try all such dirty tricks, they get into trouble and those on whom they try, they also get into trouble. Such people suffer. You know that, what’s happening to such people already. There is one big guru who has been hit on his neck and he can’t speak and he’s run away. Now the second center that we have here is for our seeking, when we became living things. And Deity here is for our sustenance, means our evolutionary quality. Like the gold has an untarnishable quality, human beings have certain higher qualities than animals. Animals can bear filth, but human beings cannot. So when they start seeking, they start developing their different qualities. Now these different qualities develop in a human being in ten ways. We can say these are the ten commandments in every God, religion, any scripture. Now these are looked after by a Deity called the Primordial Master. He incarnates again and again and tries to give us a balance and tries to keep us in the center. The third center that comes out of the second one is of action. When we seek, we start putting it into our action. It moves like this: this side is our physical seeking and this side is our mental seeking and this side is emotional seeking. Now when we start using it only for our physical and mental thing, we neglect our emotional side, or we worry too much about emotions, then we neglect our right side. So there is an imbalance. For example, a person who is very busy, supposed to be, running a rat race, I would say, he eats, he takes his breakfast standing and runs fast. Immediately he works on this side and there is a very important organ called as spleen which goes into action. When he eats, it is already in action. Then it moves into another activity. Then it goes into another action. Such a person makes this poor spleen crazy. And such a crazy spleen creates a very, very serious disease called as blood cancer. Cancer is a disease for the people who are crazy.

Public Program, day 3, Paris (France), 11 September 1981. ...Because the tree of life has reached a stage where it has created a human being who is a seeker, not all, but many of them, are in a special category of seeking. Say, about a hundred years back, people were busy seeking power, overpowering other countries, mobilizing all their energies in enjoying their overpowering and the rest of the world was under slavery. Then the power game shifted to more, we can say, the material or possession game. The industrial revolution took place and people started converting matter into different forms. And then came a time when people thought of playing emotional games and I told you how there was a rise of Hitler who was anti-God and how he made the Jews suffer because Jews believed in suffering. They did not believe in God or Christ and they did not believe in Christ, because Christ had already suffered. So they thought that “If we accept Christ, then we cannot say we are suffering” and so they said “We have to suffer.” That we call as a collective superego activity in which a person wants suffering. Masochism. So a sadist like Hitler came into power and they suffered. Now we have to know that Christ came on this Earth to suffer for us once for all. Now we don’t have to suffer any more. Those intellectuals who talk of this nonsense of sufferings themselves make others suffer by their nonsense. After the Advent of Christ only thing you have to do was to awaken Christ within you, Who would suck all your past and all your future, all your karmas and conditionings and all your desires. Christ came on this Earth at this point of our awareness, at this point. In the optic chiasma there is a very small center where Christ is existing. This center is very important. Is the door, is the door to the Kingdom of... in between here is the Kingdom of God, the limbic area. You have to just enter into that Kingdom of Heaven by entering through the narrow door or gate which was held by Christ. The method, the technique of awakening Christ was living technique. It is spontaneous. It is evolutionary. It is not that you can think about it and rationalize it. It is not that you can say that we can activate it, or manipulate it, or organize it. It is not in your hands. It is not your area; is the area of the Divine. Like a flower becoming a fruit, is not your area. You becoming a human being is not your area. What effort did you put in to become a human being? If you can realize that point that it is beyond human control, that God’s grace can only work it out, you would not indulge into any techniques which are dead. Like, it would be like offering a one franc to this flower to become the fruit. So we should not live in absurd ideas. We should come logically to the point that if the Divine Power is living, it has to be spontaneous. With your mental activity you can create atom bombs, neutron bombs and all kinds of problems, but you cannot create evolution. And the mass evolution you can never achieve by organizing in the name of God. You cannot organize God. He organizes you. He does everything. Very difficult for the modern ego to accept such a situation. They prefer to go round the shopping to find out something by which they can pay money and satisfy their egos that they are seeking. I verily say to you, these are all false prophets and anti-Christ. Be very careful about them. You cannot make money in the name of God. And those who believe who can pay for God should know they can never enter into the Kingdom of God. Second thing is that you cannot use your physical power to achieve God. Within us lies the power of our germination, here. We have that power within us. Every seed has the primula. You put the seed in the Mother Earth. With her warmth the seed germinates spontaneously. You don’t have to go and stand on the head for the seed to germinate. Is the easiest thing to germinate a seed. But, say, about of thousand of years back when people did not know how to do germination, it might have been very difficult to them. When they found out that the Mother Earth can germinate they started doing all kinds of agriculture. And Krishna came on this center of yours. He talked of collectivity. He is called Krishna, means the One who is come to do the soil. “Krishi” means soil. So He sowed the seed of seeking within us, seed of Kundalini within us, in the sense that the seeking was sown within us at this point when the man raised his head above. And He said in His Gita that “The one that is never dying, eternal, is your Spirit.” That Spirit resides in your heart. And one has to achieve that Spirit. And to achieve that Spirit, in the very outset He said “You have to become.” He was not a shopkeeper who says first the useless things and then the real things. He absolutely, straightforward, He said that “You have to become.” But Arjuna was an intellectual and a mediocre, His disciple. He couldn’t understand that, “If I have to become something, then why He is saying I should to go to war?” He also believed, like all intellectuals do, that everybody is Christ. Even Christ has said that it is not so. He always talked about the evil, about the Satan. He talked about the fake gurus. He said that “Don’t throw your pearls before the swines” and He took a hunter in His hand to hit the people who were selling God in the church. So Arjuna was dodged by Krishna because he would not come straightforward. He asked a question: “Here You are saying you have to become that and there you are saying you have to fight these evil doers.” So Krishna said “All right.” He gave a very tricky thing. To a complicated man you must give a complicated thing to confuse him. He was an Incarnation. He was the Incarnation of diplomacy. That was also six thousand years back. So he said “All right, you go to war and whatever you do, put at the Lotus Feet of God.” This is the best way to befool a complicated person. So the complicated one believes that “I’m doing this work and serving the Lord.” He believes in his ignorance because intelligence cheats itself. So he very nicely believes that “Whatever I do, I do it at the Lotus Feet of God. I offer it there.” But it’s not true. One is deceiving oneself. As long as there is ego in your brain, whatever you may do, you will know that, you will feel, you will identify that you are doing it. Only when this ego is sucked in, then you say “It is happening. It is flowing.” Like the sun shines. It is just shining because that is its nature. It is emitting because that is its nature. When you will become your nature, the Spirit, everything will emit. You will not know that you are doing it. You have to become a hollow personality. But Krishna wanted to complicate it. Second point He said that “There is another way you can worship. Worship Me and everything will be all right”, He said. But He did not say that “You directly worship Me”. He said “Ananya bhakti”. Again a twist. Ananya means when there is not the other, when there is a connection established. That means you have to become. Without becoming there is no use telephoning. No connection with God. The connection has to be established. I’ve heard people, I’ve seen people writing so many bhakti songs. They are saying “Hare Rama, hare Krishna” everywhere, like mad, like abnormal. In that London, on a street they stand like foolish people and beg and sing the praise of Shri Krishna, completely defacing Him. They live on beggary. Now are you going to become beggars after this? Are going to become mad people dancing on the street, getting throat cancers? What do you expect yourself to be when you become? The fourth thing He said that “There is an arrangement within you, Raja Yoga, which goes into play”. This is that arrangement within you. He says “The tree is upside down”. That is what it is within you all, the tree of life. This is the tree of life which is described in the Bible. So all these four things that He said are one. That is, within us is placed this great mechanism which spontaneously works out our Self-realization, becoming, by which your karmas or your actions become spontaneous and you get connected with God. So you are – your bhakti has some meaning. Your devotion has some meaning. Krishna was all right. Six thousand years back He only talked to one Arjuna. And since then people have been writing criticisms and criticisms and books after books on Gita and there are at least five hundred books written recently only, recently. This is the complication we are facing all the time. And we should get out of it. Christ came on this Earth, as I told you, to fulfill what Krishna has said, that it cannot be killed, it cannot be crucified, it cannot be blown away with wind, it is eternal. That’s why He came and Resurrection is the sign of His proving what Krishna said, because He was Divine Love. Then Christianity came. They made a nice jam out of Christ also. They can never understand. To understand the tomfoolery of Christianity you should go and talk to a Jew. And if you want to know about the stupidity of Jews, go and talk to a Muslim. And if you want to know the stupidity of the Muslims, go and ask a Hindu. They all think they are the wisest going round, the fanatics. How could there be fanaticism in God? This is the madness in which today we are. One side we have the fanatics; the other side we have who do not believe in God. A boy from Algeria came to see Me, very well educated and he told Me that fundamentalists are coming in Algeria and the young people are now taking to communism. So imagine all the old fanatics on one side and all the reactionaries young on the other side. And truth is lost somewhere there. This boy got his Realization. He went and told them that “There is God. We have to first see the blessings of our Spirit. Unless and until you have enlightenment you cannot know anything about God.” At the time of Buddha, when He came about 2000 years back, when He searched all over the places and He got tired. He exists here, near the ego. He got His Realization and He didn’t talk of God. Because He thought that “Why talk of the further step? And people are so ego-oriented that if you tell them ‘You have to surrender to God’, they say ‘No’, so better not talk of God at all. Just talk of the Spirit”. And He said that “Everything is a thought for the time being”. When you are below this center, there are thoughts in your mind. Beyond this when you go there is no thought. So just to bring down the ego-oriented to the point of Realization, to bring them to logical conclusion that you must have Self-Realization, He very cleverly avoided God. You have to do it. What to do? The only concern of all these people is that you should find yourself in the Kingdom of God. But how the small children are to be goaded to it? First they talked of all these chakras and their Deities in there and they said “Worship the Deity”. So they started rituals. They created Gods, reproduced them and started worshipping them. So as a reaction to that, they started talking of an abstract God. Whether you talk of the material God or about the abstract God, whether you talk about the flower or the honey, you just talk. You have to become the bee to get the honey. You cannot get the honey just by saying or talking about honey. So everything becomes a talk. People very religiously sit down and discuss God. It’s most surprising for Me. You have to become. It’s an actualization. It’s a real baptism you must have. It is your right to have it. You are seeking that alone and nothing else. You have to get it within yourself. If you cannot get it, then you are not going to be a happy person. Don’t run after falsehood. Ask for the Reality and the Reality is that the Spirit resides within your heart. You don’t have to travel for that. Guru Nanaka has said “O, mad man, where are you traveling? It is in your heart. You just wait. It will work out. Balance yourself. Lead a balanced life. Don’t go to extremes”. Same Moses said, same Abraham said, same Lao Tse said, same Mohamed said. Everybody has said the same thing. In the early days of human history there were only very, very few people and it was prophesized many times that in these modern times, the Kali Yuga, many seekers will be born, many men of God will be born and they will become prophets and not mad and lunatics or bankrupts, but prophets and they will have a special quality by which they will make others the prophets. This has to happen. The time has come. It is your own birth right to have it. There is nothing else that you will ask for. So have patience with yourself, for it is very easy to raise the Kundalini in you, firstly because there is a bank balance. I have to cash it. Secondly you deserve it. Is very important to understand, there is nothing selling here. Without the light, without the eyes you cannot see anything. This has to happen. This is spontaneous, Sahaja. Saha means with; ja means born. It’s born with you. All this is born with you. These centers are the step-stones or, you can say, the milestones of your evolution. This is where you became carbon, the first one, is the matter which is innocent. So this is the innocence. This centre controls four sub-plexuses. It is innocent and it is for your excretion. Now be careful to see that this is placed under the Kundalini, not above. Now this power, when it rises, it doesn’t pierce through this. So the one that controls the sex has nothing to do with your evolution. Those who believe that God can be achieved by sex perversion are anti-Christ. Christ has said that “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. But He never said you have nunneries and an absurd, abnormal life, but a normal, majestic life of married life, of majesty and dignity. This type of people who try to put sex on Kundalini get into terrible troubles in themselves, because the Deity of this center reacts violently with anger. This Deity is sitting here to look after the chastity of your Holy Mother, that is, Kundalini. You cannot touch the Kundalini. Unholy people, who are not authorized by God, when they try all such dirty tricks, they get into trouble and those on whom they try, they also get into trouble. Such people suffer. You know that, what’s happening to such people already. There is one big guru who has been hit on his neck and he can’t speak and he’s run away. Now the second center that we have here is for our seeking, when we became living things. And Deity here is for our sustenance, means our evolutionary quality. Like the gold has an untarnishable quality, human beings have certain higher qualities than animals. Animals can bear filth, but human beings cannot. So when they start seeking, they start developing their different qualities. Now these different qualities develop in a human being in ten ways. We can say these are the ten commandments in every God, religion, any scripture. Now these are looked after by a Deity called the Primordial Master. He incarnates again and again and tries to give us a balance and tries to keep us in the center. The third center that comes out of the second one is of action. When we seek, we start putting it into our action. It moves like this: this side is our physical seeking and this side is our mental seeking and this side is emotional seeking. Now when we start using it only for our physical and mental thing, we neglect our emotional side, or we worry too much about emotions, then we neglect our right side. So there is an imbalance. For example, a person who is very busy, supposed to be, running a rat race, I would say, he eats, he takes his breakfast standing and runs fast. Immediately he works on this side and there is a very important organ called as spleen which goes into action. When he eats, it is already in action. Then it moves into another activity. Then it goes into another action. Such a person makes this poor spleen crazy. And such a crazy spleen creates a very, very serious disease called as blood cancer. Cancer is a disease for the people who are crazy.

9/12/1981

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Within us lies the Spirit in our Heart which is collectively conscious

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Public Program, Lille, France, 12/09/1981 I’m sorry I do not know how to speak French. But I have got my children all over the world and I do not know how many languages I have to learn to talk to them in their own language. But love knows no language, there is no mental activity in the working of the Divine. Like a flower becomes a fruit or a butterfly comes out of the cocoon, a bird comes out of an egg, spontaneously, by a living process of evolution. In the same way, the time has come for human beings to get their metamorphoses. This transformation, followed by transmutation has been prophesised by many ancient seers that it will take place in a-mass level in the modern times. Also, many modern poets have described about it. We have a great poet- prophet in England called William Blake. He prophesised as such during this time, the men of God, means the seekers, will be born. This special category of people will become prophets and they will have the capacity to transform others into prophets. This is one of the signs one has to know. The second sign is given to us through psychology. It says that if anything has to happen to us in evolution, it will happen in our awareness. And it has happened before in our awareness, when we became from animal to human beings. So something has to happen, within us, in our awareness, that we become collectively conscious. We just don’t listen to some lecture or read some books, believing to some sort of a myth, but we become ourselves ‘collectively conscious’. Within us lies the Spirit in our heart which is collectively conscious so we have to become, it has to be actualized, we do not have to believe in the things what others tell us. Also it’s an absurd idea that you start jumping by yourselves. Anybody who gets possessed can jump like that. But when you become Self-realized, when you become the Spirit, you are fully aware and you are fully in charge of yourself. Actually, you become master of yourself. So the ‘becoming’ is the most important thing. If this has to happen a-mass, even children must get Realization, even uneducated must get their Realization, everyone has to get Realization, and not only few who think they are intellectuals. The intellectuals are actually rather difficult people to get Realization because they are imbalanced, one sided people. They use their brains just like a car which moves in the traffic but doesn’t know the way. And like one way traffic, it may be twice in the same place again, it can get lost and may miss the destination completely. Within us, there is a power that does this happening. That’s why it is called as “Sahaja.”“Sahaj” means “with” and “ja” means “born”. It is born with you. It is placed in the triangular bone, in every human being, which is called as sacrum – sacrum means sacred- that means people knew about it in Greece, that there were something sacred lying in this bone. You can see with your naked eyes the pulsation at this bone, which rises on your spine, and you can feel the [inaudible] coming on to your head, also on your head at the fontanel bone area, where it stops, piercing this area, giving you cool breeze like energy in the hand. It has to be cool breeze. If you feel hot, that means there is some sort a physical mental or emotional problem within you which is causing friction. But it is bearable, not much. It happens so smoothly sometimes, that you just feel the cool breeze flowing from your hands, in a split of a second. If you are a complicated person then it takes some time; if there is any problem also it takes some time. But for simple people, who lead a life of simplicity and not of extreme, it is very easy to get Realization. It’s Realization [unsure] of your attention one with our Spirit, means the Spirit, which is in our heart, which has not yet been in our consciousness, comes into our consciousness and you start feeling it on you central nervous system. This is how it is. This has to happen to us, to thousands and millions, and this has to work out. You cannot pay for it, you cannot put in any effort, you cannot read about it, but it is a happening which is a living happening of a ‘living force’ within us. This ‘living force’ has made us human beings from amoeba stage. And now today, we are standing at a point where we have to become superhuman beings, where you become completely in charge of yourself. You do not get any experience of seeing something but ‘becoming.’For example, if you are outside this building you can see it, but if you are inside this building, then you see the inside. In the same way, you start feeling your “within”. This Kundalini rises through the passage of our evolutionary channel, passes through the six chakras, six centres. And the seventh centre resides below the Kundalini and informs the Kundalini about everything. Now, the problem is, the whole happening is spontaneous and you cannot force it on anyone. Your freedom is absolutely respected. If you ask for it you can have it, because this is what is to happen to you. This is the most vital thing that should happen. You are only seeking this. But, when I find the seekers, I’m amazed the way they are misled. They think they can pay for God and they like to do it, from one guru to another guru, like guru shopping. You cannot do guru shopping about your Spirit, it is too sublime and innate. It cannot be purchased, it cannot be destroyed. It is eternal. Human beings don’t understand anything that is not saleable, because we live on a materialistic level. We cannot understand that God’s love cannot be sold, that it is all-pervading. It is the most dynamic thing and you cannot organize it. You cannot put up an organisation and try to create this happening. It is the Grace of God that works out. But as one enlightened light can enlighten another light, then only you can get your enlightenment. The light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten another light. A blind person cannot lead another blind. A person who does not know how to swim cannot save another person. But such an enlightened person doesn’t take any money, leads a life of great love of giving, has to lead a holy life, honest life, and not like a parasite living on other people’s money. If he’s poor, he lives like a poor. If he’s rich, he lives like a rich. He’s not attached. And such a person only can raise the Kundalini. But some people try to do this kind of nonsense, that they think they can do everything even in the realm of God. But they cannot. On the contrary, they create a problem and a very bad problem for the seekers. They are unauthorised. And then they start writing about the Kundalini, that she is the most harmful thing. Those who do not know how to put the lights on, can put it in the plug and say that the plug gives them a shock. That’s how they frighten people. The Kundalini is your mother, is your mother all these years.She has been waiting in the sacrum bone, for ages now. You have been a seeker for ages. And if you do not get your Realization now, all you seeking will be wasted. So this holy mother of yours who is your mother, individually, how can she give you trouble? This is one thing very simple we should understand. I was amazed in Spain, that some young people have started organisation of money making and they are saying that we should go and seeking ourselves. And they are taking young people, from places to places, and they act as agent. You cannot put up an enterprise in the name of God. Those people who try such tricks will go to Hell. It’s a very dangerous thing to do that. One should be afraid of Divine Laws. God is very kind. He’s ocean of compassion. He’s ocean of love. But He is also a wrathful God. So one has to be careful. [Shri Mataji speaks aside about the young child playing with a mirror. ] Shri Mataji: Now, have you any questions, you can ask Me because we are here only for one day and we have to go to Paris tonight. If there are no questions, it’s a very good sign that everybody wants the Realization. That is the sign of true seekers. Those who are hungry, just go for it. But in Sahaja Yoga, you are completely free. You are not mesmerized or bound by money, you are absolutely free. Without freedom you cannot get Realization, because you have to be fully liberated. So let us have the Self Realization. Can you all put your hands towards Me, like this? If you are a little tight in your waist you can [inaudible]. It would be better to loosen yourself a little bit. Even if you could take out your socks, [inaudible] Because they bind you a little bit, as they are nylons and things.Let us have. Put both the legs on the ground or sit on the ground. Because the Mother Earth takes away many of our thoughts. Put your hands towards Me and close your eyes. Both the hands towards Me with your stretched hands, as if you’re asking for Realization. Keep the hands open. All these five fingers are our five centres. And the base of the hand is the sixth centre and in the centre is the seventh. So, when you stretch your hand, actually, the energy flows through the centres to inform the Kundalini. Keep your eyes shut until I tell you to open that. It is important to close your eyes. When the Kundalini crosses over Agnya chakra, which is the so-called third eye, you become thoughtlessly aware. And if your eyes are open, it won’t rise because the eyes get dilated pupils. And when the Kundalini pierces your head, giving you the real baptism, then actually you feel the cool breeze coming out of your head. That is how you know you have got your Realization. Also, you may feel cool breeze in your hands. But you always feel first in the head.[A baby is crying.]Shri Mataj: Let her bring, this child knows Me.[Shri Mataji coddles the baby] Shri Mataji, [to the baby]: I have to give Realization to people. There should be no shaking in the hand or in the body. Keep it quiet. It just works spontaneously. [People keep on meditating] Shri Mataji: Alright.End of audio.

Public Program, Lille, France, 12/09/1981 I’m sorry I do not know how to speak French. But I have got my children all over the world and I do not know how many languages I have to learn to talk to them in their own language. But love knows no language, there is no mental activity in the working of the Divine. Like a flower becomes a fruit or a butterfly comes out of the cocoon, a bird comes out of an egg, spontaneously, by a living process of evolution. In the same way, the time has come for human beings to get their metamorphoses. This transformation, followed by transmutation has been prophesised by many ancient seers that it will take place in a-mass level in the modern times. Also, many modern poets have described about it. We have a great poet- prophet in England called William Blake. He prophesised as such during this time, the men of God, means the seekers, will be born. This special category of people will become prophets and they will have the capacity to transform others into prophets. This is one of the signs one has to know. The second sign is given to us through psychology. It says that if anything has to happen to us in evolution, it will happen in our awareness. And it has happened before in our awareness, when we became from animal to human beings. So something has to happen, within us, in our awareness, that we become collectively conscious. We just don’t listen to some lecture or read some books, believing to some sort of a myth, but we become ourselves ‘collectively conscious’. Within us lies the Spirit in our heart which is collectively conscious so we have to become, it has to be actualized, we do not have to believe in the things what others tell us. Also it’s an absurd idea that you start jumping by yourselves. Anybody who gets possessed can jump like that. But when you become Self-realized, when you become the Spirit, you are fully aware and you are fully in charge of yourself. Actually, you become master of yourself. So the ‘becoming’ is the most important thing. If this has to happen a-mass, even children must get Realization, even uneducated must get their Realization, everyone has to get Realization, and not only few who think they are intellectuals. The intellectuals are actually rather difficult people to get Realization because they are imbalanced, one sided people. They use their brains just like a car which moves in the traffic but doesn’t know the way. And like one way traffic, it may be twice in the same place again, it can get lost and may miss the destination completely. Within us, there is a power that does this happening. That’s why it is called as “Sahaja.”“Sahaj” means “with” and “ja” means “born”. It is born with you. It is placed in the triangular bone, in every human being, which is called as sacrum – sacrum means sacred- that means people knew about it in Greece, that there were something sacred lying in this bone. You can see with your naked eyes the pulsation at this bone, which rises on your spine, and you can feel the [inaudible] coming on to your head, also on your head at the fontanel bone area, where it stops, piercing this area, giving you cool breeze like energy in the hand. It has to be cool breeze. If you feel hot, that means there is some sort a physical mental or emotional problem within you which is causing friction. But it is bearable, not much. It happens so smoothly sometimes, that you just feel the cool breeze flowing from your hands, in a split of a second. If you are a complicated person then it takes some time; if there is any problem also it takes some time. But for simple people, who lead a life of simplicity and not of extreme, it is very easy to get Realization. It’s Realization [unsure] of your attention one with our Spirit, means the Spirit, which is in our heart, which has not yet been in our consciousness, comes into our consciousness and you start feeling it on you central nervous system. This is how it is. This has to happen to us, to thousands and millions, and this has to work out. You cannot pay for it, you cannot put in any effort, you cannot read about it, but it is a happening which is a living happening of a ‘living force’ within us. This ‘living force’ has made us human beings from amoeba stage. And now today, we are standing at a point where we have to become superhuman beings, where you become completely in charge of yourself. You do not get any experience of seeing something but ‘becoming.’For example, if you are outside this building you can see it, but if you are inside this building, then you see the inside. In the same way, you start feeling your “within”. This Kundalini rises through the passage of our evolutionary channel, passes through the six chakras, six centres. And the seventh centre resides below the Kundalini and informs the Kundalini about everything. Now, the problem is, the whole happening is spontaneous and you cannot force it on anyone. Your freedom is absolutely respected. If you ask for it you can have it, because this is what is to happen to you. This is the most vital thing that should happen. You are only seeking this. But, when I find the seekers, I’m amazed the way they are misled. They think they can pay for God and they like to do it, from one guru to another guru, like guru shopping. You cannot do guru shopping about your Spirit, it is too sublime and innate. It cannot be purchased, it cannot be destroyed. It is eternal. Human beings don’t understand anything that is not saleable, because we live on a materialistic level. We cannot understand that God’s love cannot be sold, that it is all-pervading. It is the most dynamic thing and you cannot organize it. You cannot put up an organisation and try to create this happening. It is the Grace of God that works out. But as one enlightened light can enlighten another light, then only you can get your enlightenment. The light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten another light. A blind person cannot lead another blind. A person who does not know how to swim cannot save another person. But such an enlightened person doesn’t take any money, leads a life of great love of giving, has to lead a holy life, honest life, and not like a parasite living on other people’s money. If he’s poor, he lives like a poor. If he’s rich, he lives like a rich. He’s not attached. And such a person only can raise the Kundalini. But some people try to do this kind of nonsense, that they think they can do everything even in the realm of God. But they cannot. On the contrary, they create a problem and a very bad problem for the seekers. They are unauthorised. And then they start writing about the Kundalini, that she is the most harmful thing. Those who do not know how to put the lights on, can put it in the plug and say that the plug gives them a shock. That’s how they frighten people. The Kundalini is your mother, is your mother all these years.She has been waiting in the sacrum bone, for ages now. You have been a seeker for ages. And if you do not get your Realization now, all you seeking will be wasted. So this holy mother of yours who is your mother, individually, how can she give you trouble? This is one thing very simple we should understand. I was amazed in Spain, that some young people have started organisation of money making and they are saying that we should go and seeking ourselves. And they are taking young people, from places to places, and they act as agent. You cannot put up an enterprise in the name of God. Those people who try such tricks will go to Hell. It’s a very dangerous thing to do that. One should be afraid of Divine Laws. God is very kind. He’s ocean of compassion. He’s ocean of love. But He is also a wrathful God. So one has to be careful. [Shri Mataji speaks aside about the young child playing with a mirror. ] Shri Mataji: Now, have you any questions, you can ask Me because we are here only for one day and we have to go to Paris tonight. If there are no questions, it’s a very good sign that everybody wants the Realization. That is the sign of true seekers. Those who are hungry, just go for it. But in Sahaja Yoga, you are completely free. You are not mesmerized or bound by money, you are absolutely free. Without freedom you cannot get Realization, because you have to be fully liberated. So let us have the Self Realization. Can you all put your hands towards Me, like this? If you are a little tight in your waist you can [inaudible]. It would be better to loosen yourself a little bit. Even if you could take out your socks, [inaudible] Because they bind you a little bit, as they are nylons and things.Let us have. Put both the legs on the ground or sit on the ground. Because the Mother Earth takes away many of our thoughts. Put your hands towards Me and close your eyes. Both the hands towards Me with your stretched hands, as if you’re asking for Realization. Keep the hands open. All these five fingers are our five centres. And the base of the hand is the sixth centre and in the centre is the seventh. So, when you stretch your hand, actually, the energy flows through the centres to inform the Kundalini. Keep your eyes shut until I tell you to open that. It is important to close your eyes. When the Kundalini crosses over Agnya chakra, which is the so-called third eye, you become thoughtlessly aware. And if your eyes are open, it won’t rise because the eyes get dilated pupils. And when the Kundalini pierces your head, giving you the real baptism, then actually you feel the cool breeze coming out of your head. That is how you know you have got your Realization. Also, you may feel cool breeze in your hands. But you always feel first in the head.[A baby is crying.]Shri Mataj: Let her bring, this child knows Me.[Shri Mataji coddles the baby] Shri Mataji, [to the baby]: I have to give Realization to people. There should be no shaking in the hand or in the body. Keep it quiet. It just works spontaneously. [People keep on meditating] Shri Mataji: Alright.End of audio.

9/14/1981

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The Heart of the Universe, Public Programme. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 14 September 1981. It is so heartening to see so many of Sahaj yogis seated before my eyes which are really covered with tears of joy and tremendous happiness. You have been blessed by the grace of God to become the real baptised, the real Muslim, the real Jew, the real Christian, the real Hindu. It was to be that, in England, you had to establish Jerusalem. I need not tell you again and again how important is England in the play of Divine. Those who are Realised and have experienced know it that, this is the place, this is the country, which has to circulate the spiritual powers all over the world. Even when I have travelled in Europe and other places and I’ve seen so many seekers all over - in India we have thousandfold more - despite that, [a] very special category of people are born in England, the Heart of Universe; where the heart has to love, has to radiate, has to circulate, carry all the dirt and filth to be cleared out again. It's nice to see how you all love me, and how you have accepted my love, but I would like you to see that you have to love yourself, you have to respect yourself, you have to have self-esteem and not to be driven into crazy ideas of self-pity and guilt. The lethargy, what we call the ‘left-sidedness’, has to be thrown away, just like a shell is thrown away by a bird when it comes out of its shell of an egg. The transformation has taken place, no doubt, but transmutation is the problem today. We have to change dramatically. All our misidentifications have to be dropped. We have to become what we have been aspiring for, which we have become. We have to assume. The assumption has to be not only mental but is from the heart. The day it will be, in England, accepted from the heart - the assumption which they have achieved, assumption of the powers, assumption of the state which they have achieved - that is the day I would say is the real beginning of a new era for the whole humanity. The responsibility is so great, so very great that, to realise it you have to start loving yourself, having your self-esteem, understanding yourself. Now the basic problem that the Sahaj yogis face in England is this: they blame everything to their ego that, “This is my ego which makes me do this. This is my ego which makes me think like that. This is my ego that does this wrong.” This is just the opposite [of what should be done]. Because you want to blame your ego for everything, and that's how you do not want to go further with your progress. You think that you have been very much in the centre. It’s not true. To be in the centre means you must understand whether you have ego or superego, which is giving you this lethargy, this dullness, this kind of vague approach to things. The whole country is suffering from that, you can see it clearly. I was surprised, when I went to Portugal, that it's like a dead, desolate place. As if people have left that place. They are not willing to rise. They are not going to come up. And this kind of desolate place which is just decaying and dying, in the huge, big buildings that were built there, is a reaction to the ego of the Portuguese. So there should be no reaction at all. There should be no reaction to what your forefathers have done or the way they have been very ego-oriented. On the contrary, to be on the centre is to have self-esteem, to understand that you have got your Realisation now, that you have been blessed specially; to accept it with love towards yourself. If you are bent upon harming yourself, nobody can stop it. You have every right to do that, you have all freedom; but freedom and license are two things. Freedom has to be based on wisdom and license is nonsense as you understand. So [to] all the Sahaj yogis who are here, I have to just say one thing: that you have to change dramatically. Everything you change. We have certain habits we have developed. Some of the things are the blessings of the enterprises that have been floating which are against a proper society. These enterprises have brought in funny ideas which have ruined people, basically. You know those things very well. So, no more to play into these people who just want to make money out of you. First of all the so-called ‘spiritual’ people, who are coming in this country to exploit you, to float some enterprises. You have to understand that God has no enterprise. The whole world is His own enterprise and His own thing. All such people who are indulging into enterprises and are harming your brothers and sisters, you have to be specially careful about them, and dynamic so that you save them before they fall too low and it’s impossible to get them out of the clutches of these horrible people who have come. You invaded the East in a aggressive, open manner, once upon a time. Now the East is invading you in a very subtle manner. It's not [as] if they are invading you in your marketing or in your jobs; they are invading you in your brains. This has to be understood that when these gurus and these fake people come here they are just like the people who went from here to invade India and they have better weapons than these people had. They are enslaving you. And they'll enslave you in such a way that you can never rise from your slavery. India could rise but you cannot rise out of that negativity which they'll be pouring on you. So be careful as to believe into anybody who says, that “I am your guide and I am your guru and you better give me so much money.” Actually a man who lives on your money is a parasite, in simple English language. Nowadays I have to warn you there are many lamas who have been driven out of Tibet. Some of them were lamas some of them have become lamas, it has become a big craze. And they have come in this country also and have started very big enterprises by giving you courses in spiritual life. Ask them how much spiritual life they have! This is very impressive to people, to understand, because it pampers your ego very much. Buddhism was spread by Buddha, not the ‘ism’, but Buddha's way of life and he is the one who is the killer of your ego. The people who go to Buddha must know that your ego should not be pampered. On the contrary he is all the time laughing, the way people are ego-oriented. Now these people who are coming in the disguise of taking out your ego, are putting horrible spirits into you - I have to tell you very, very frankly - and making you feel very low as if spiritually you are much lower than them, which you are not. You should not accept their dictates! None of you. Neither you should allow anybody to accept. Go around the whole place, the whole country and tell them the message that these thugs have come from Tibet, where they were parasites on Tibetans, made that country a very, very poor country and now they have come in this country to bring all kinds of curses upon you. So be careful. They call themselves lama and all those things, I don't understand what sort of spiritual life they lead, what sort of nonsense they teach. First is Self-realisation. Anything that happens to you, which is beyond your control - like any vision, like anything happening to you which is your beyond your control - is not your own. Supposing a person is driving a car and he just... car goes into a slide and falls into a ghat (deep mountain valley) And he said, “I had an experience!” What will you say to such a thing: that the car is not in his control. But the person believes that he had a big experience because he had a big hit on his head. The things that are beyond your control are not your own. Self-realisation is your own. Everything has to be in your own control. Like somebody starts jumping on the chair, he starts thinking, “I'm flying.” Do you fly that way? Do the birds fly that way? They know when to start and when to stop. Those who fall into these traps just start doing it by some force and what is that force is the negative force, one must understand. You should be completely in control of yourself. Whatever happens to you, is it completely under your control or not? Of course if you are driving your car and you go to a particular beautiful place, it's a beautiful experience because you have gone there. But not the way people are thinking that if you start jumping or if you start shouting or screaming and making noises it’s something very great. Ninety-nine percent of things that are happening in this country - you might called them occults, spiritualists, pentecostalist and all sorts of nonsense they call it by - is nothing but the spirits. You are not there. And then the reaction of it starts and one of the first reactions, I must tell you and warn you, is cancer. Be careful of these people! Don't go near them! Tomorrow you'll develop cancer and come to me, “Mother, cure me.” I will not! Today you stop it. I am warning you because I'm your Mother. And I know these things look very charming and very interesting and something sensational. Whatever is the experience outside is not all God's experience. God's experience is only one - of Self-realisation. Where you become completely in control of yourself and you feel the energy of God flowing through you. Now the energy of God also some people say has to be hot. “You have to feel hot.” Some people feel that if you go to someone and you feel very hot energy coming from that person, is vibrations. Now any machine, which goes out of order gives hot vibrations. Any friction gives hot vibrations. But to judge it, best is for you to see what happens in Sahaj Yoga. Supposing there's a cancer patient sitting and there's a mad person sitting, and a one Sahaj yogi sitting or a born-realised is sitting. The person who has a cancer will give such heat that you'll have to put off your heaters. The mad person also may give such heat that you will be amazed at the way the heat is coming or maybe sometimes such frozen hands it will have. He'll have such weaknesses. His hands will be shaking. He’ll become absolutely frozen. He will go into a trance. His eyes will become transfixed. But a realised soul, if he's a born realised, he'll get a cool breeze in a Sahaj Yoga thing. And you should find out what sort of sources they have come. That's how, relatively, you can find out the absolute. The one who is suffering from cancer has got hot. The one who has been to a spiritualist and who is suffering from possession has got hot. So, the one who has got the cool breeze is the one who is really realised. On this point, many people have very funny ideas and I want to tell you clearly today that realisation means cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. It is nothing else but that. Now to maintain this, as our habits are, that we think mental activity can maintain it. It cannot. Now this lady is wonderful! She came late and now she's going away. Why don't you sit down? Why do you want to disturb everyone? This is not the way, you see. No, you must have civic sense, this is not proper. Either you don't come, sit at the back. You must sit in front and disturb anybody, this is no sense of civility. You sit at the back and you can go away. You see, this is not proper. You must have some civic sense. That is just showing off I think, to come in front in the end and then to walk off. Lady: I am not doing that!! Shri Mataji: Yes, please will you go out? I am sorry; this is not the way to behave. Is not the way to behave. You have no respect for anyone. Please go out. So I have to tell you one thing that ,when you come to Sahaj Yog, you have to know that you have to find the reality. You have come here to find reality and not falsehood and whatever is falsehood whether you like it or not I'm going to say it. I have to say it, because I'm here for truth and not for getting your votes, or for any money or anything. And whatever is the true, is to be for your good. The truth is going to adorn you, the truth is going to give you joy, it is going to make you grow, it is going to make you something different, it is going to make you absolute, it is going to give you your purpose. And in this respect, if you understand Sahaj Yog, then you will know that Sahaj Yoga is not a mental activity by any chance, it is not through mental activity we can do it. For example somebody might say that, “How are we to do it, Mother?” “I'm now possessed, I don't know how to get rid of it.” By thinking, “I'm possessed, I must get rid of it,” you cannot. It is beyond your mind. If you think by saying that, “I'm possessed, I should not be possessed,” you'll be cleared out, you will not. For that you have to learn the technique of Sahaj Yog - after realisation, not before. For example this is the machine and you put it to the mains. You must know how to handle it after putting it to the mains, the technique, the technique that is Divine. Unless and until you master the technique that is Divine, you will not be able to keep yourself in balance and you will not grow. So that technique one has to learn. That's why I say that transformation is very easy. To put this (microphone) into the mains is very easy, anybody can do it. But to make it work and make it work well and to utilise it fully, you have to know the technique. First part of it is very simple I think, can happen to thousands very easily. But the second part you have to love yourself. You have to understand your value. You must know you are not here only for your sake. Not for your sake alone, not at all. You are a cell which has to be connected to the whole so that the whole should be substantiated, that the whole is to be helped, the whole of humanity is to be helped. You have a very, very important role to be played. So you better have your self-esteem and responsibility and understand what you have to do. After getting realisation many people who get realisation just disappear because they feel very happy. That's not good. That means you have not paid full attention to yourself. You have not loved yourself; you have not understood yourself. If you have understood yourself then you should try to go deeper into it and grow because every seed can grow into a great tree. We have to establish proper values of family life where the family life gives that nourishment to the children to grow into spirituality. No forbidden things are there but through vibrations you can control. When people have these cool vibrations they feel so happy about it; they don't want to lose it. And for that sake they work it out and the family systems improve. You are going to give the model to the whole world, specially the Western world. You have to give them a new model of life which gives them a proper, happy society and an enlightened society which knows so much more, so much more, which has eyes, which is no more blind, blinded by false ideas. All this science and all these things will drop out just like that once you know Sahaj Yoga because all this knowledge is just a wee part of it. In Australia many people asked me, who came to interview me that, “Are your disciples all scholars?” I said, “No, they come from very ordinary lives. None of them are scholars.” Specially in Australia people are not also so well educated [as] they are here because they don't have Cambridge and Oxford I believe. And despite that, they can beat any Cambridge and Oxford fellow here in their knowledge. The knowledge is there because of the Light. Say I describe this room or England to anyone who is not here, who cannot see it. How much his knowledge would be? But the one who has lived here, who knows it, who knows each and every part of it, knows it much more than a person who might have done his MA in India about England. It's only bookish knowledge but here the real knowledge comes into you. The third thing is of experiencing which is very important. What have you to experience? Many people say, “Mother what should we experience?” To begin with: the thoughtless awareness that you get when the Kundalini rises about cross, about this point called as Agnya Chakra. As I have told you that Agnya Chakra is one of the most important chakras we have got where resides our Lord Jesus Christ. And why it is so important is this: because he is put there, or we can say the grace had adorned this chakra with His being that when the Kundalini rises he's awakened and when he's awakened he can suck your ego and superego, all your conditionings, all your past karmas and all your future problems he sucks. But that is not possible if you just ask somebody who is from a theological college to baptise, that's all artificial, that's not real. [With] real baptism you see the Kundalini rising in you. It’s a living process of a living God. Just like a seed sprouts your Kundalini sprouts and you feel it on your head. Actually feel it on your head, the cool breeze coming out. And this should happen to you otherwise it is not a realisation. Now the experience, the second one you get is the cool breeze coming out here and cool breeze in the hands. Those people [who] have a weak centre here, do not get this cool breeze. Some people got it after two months, three months, makes no difference. But you get the cool breeze here and after that, when your hands are sensitive enough you start feeling them in the hand also. And also you can feel your centres. But those who do not feel in the hand are amazingly, are also very developed people because they can feel all these centres of other people and their own within themselves. This is the physical experience: means in your central nervous system. This you feel in your conscious mind. This is the first experience. No other experience like seeing a aura around me, or a light around me or something else, like Buddha, Christ or anything, this is no experience. This is going either to the left or to the right. In the centre you feel the cool breeze and a cool breeze from your head. This is the physical experience you get. Now what happens to the eyes? Eyes become sparkling. They sparkle. A Sahaja yogi has a sparkling eyes. This is a physical expression of that. It cannot be anything else. If somebody you find his eyes are very dull then you should know that his realisation has gone down or he's not yet realised. Eyes are sparkling and joyous. This is only on the physical level, I would say. But in the beginning, the first experience that one starts getting is so physical and so innate, so built-in, that you are amazed at it. Then you start working on other people. Say you start working on a particular person and you say, “Oh, it's moving, it's coming, it's done, it's there.” Then you start seeing how the person is imbalanced, how his one side is more, one side is less, how he has problems on his centres, the knowledge about the people, knowledge about everything. Like say this flower arrangement - is it alright or not? Is this alright or not? If it is alright, you'll start getting vibrations from that person. Anything that you think is beautiful may not be, might be very ugly. Through vibrations you will know that it is beautiful. Like, say, Mona Lisa. Mona Lisa is a thing…I mean she's not one of these modern beauties or anything. But why she's appreciated so much - if you see the vibrations of Mona Lisa's paintings are very great. So your knowledge about things starts, means discrimination increases and you start understanding things. And this is the first experience for your brain. You start understanding people, you start understanding problems, you start understanding the problems of the whole world in a way as a spectator, as a witness. You start seeing the whole thing as a witness and then, when you start seeing that - I mean you become, again you become; it's actualisation - then you start enjoying the joke, understanding the whole thing. You sometimes are amused, “Oh, I was the same and now they are the same!” This rat race, this madness and these emotional plays and these ego trips and everything you start seeing it so clearly because you have been through it and you start seeing and it amuses you. It's full of amusement and mirth and joy. Then you start seeing it also as a tragedy that's on people is. The compassion starts flowing. You start feeling what are they doing, where are they going to crash themselves? Sometimes I am very happy when people try to tell me about others, that, “Mother, have compassion for him because he is doing it in ignorance.” You see, I know that. I am compassion, no doubt. But when somebody says, it makes me very happy. You become generous, absolutely generous. You do not bother about counting your pennies but you think, “What can I give? What can I give to this person? What should I give?” You are sitting down, you see a person thirsty, immediately you'll rush for a water and bring it. Or else, otherwise normally people shout and scream and abuse. No, you become very kind, gentle and you feel the another person's needs. Immediately you run to it, you work on it. This starts working on your emotional level then, gradually, when you start working on others. You start feeling for the whole world, “Oh God! What's going to happen? Thousands are getting lost. How are we to save them?” You start thinking about them and how to work it out. Then you start praying to God that, “Oh God! Save them. Make them also enlightened so that they enter into the Kingdom of God.” And a new type of emotional flowering comes in and the fragrance of your virtues which become so much vibrant when you are realised. Your virtues you see, you enjoy them. You enjoy to be truthful, you enjoy to be moral; you enjoy to respect others. You enjoy it. When virtue becomes the enjoyment then the joy is complete. Then everything is such a joy. The whole thing is such a joy. The whole meeting is such a joy and you become collectively joyous. Then you do not have very individualistic idea “my house, my room, my holiday,” “my”. Then it becomes ours. You start talking, ‘Ours’. You don't mind any inconveniences. You see, I travel in India into villages, you know that and we have to live in all conditions there - and you people are used to so many comforts [but] you just forget because this love, this compassion and this joy is too great to be sacrificed for any comfort of the world. And that joy, once it dawns upon you, you become so generous that you want to enjoy with others. This is the dream of Jerusalem that I see in this England and I hope that the people who are wise, who are understanding, will come down to Sahaj Yoga and see for themselves how they can transform this country into a new world. Now I am on my way to America. I am again amused at it because the people in America have different ideas. I mean English are difficult to crack, no doubt, that's true, but they are a bit too steady people. They have very fixed ideas. They are people of fixed attention. For example, a person is not wearing a proper tie, for them it upsets them. They are very formal people and that's how they are different type of people: they won't accept anything readily. That's a good thing in a way, not to accept any, because mostly you accept all nonsense very readily. But Americans are the different type. They accept everything readily and give up readily. They have a guru shopping on. All the time they are shopping for guru from one to another and just like, as I told you, they are fixing-up their screws and even when the machine stops they are fixing-up their screws (reference to Charlie Chaplin’s ‘Modern Times’ which Mother liked). They are that type of people. So it's a very shifty sand that I am going into and you have to use your solidarity, your fixations that you have in the faith, true faith, enlightened faith, that this world is going to change, that we are achieving it for the whole world. This will substantiate my work there very much, I know. And then their changing and their transformation will be very great. Because wherever you go, whatever you do, your attention should be fixed onto your Absolute, that is your Spirit: which is unchangeable, which cannot be destroyed, which is eternal. And that's why the English have to do something about it, to fix their attentions properly onto their Spirit. To say that, “I am the Spirit,” “I am the Spirit” and “I am the Spirit.” This will help a lot. You know you are the channels for this work for which I am going to America. And I am sure we'll be able to fix them in their proper places. They know how to fix everything. You see they talk like this, “I'll fix your breakfast, I'll fix your lunch..." They fix you up everywhere and it's like a machine they are fixing you up. Like, you are going to the airport they'll say, “Now, all set?” “Now, you said me ‘all set’, what more?” “Have you given the keys?” “Yes, all done. Everything done.” “All set? All set?” You start wondering where are they setting you to? To moon or what? So they are like that. But they are simple people in some ways because they have not yet learnt lots of cunning things because they never invaded any country - I think you picked up lots of things from other countries also when you invaded them - and they are simpler people. But simple people can be simpleton also and that's why you have to see that wisdom must be brought to them. They are all the children of God, every one different, differently made, but so beautiful. All of them have this possibility and the Spirit resides in them, the star shines, and I am going with very great hope. I am sure we'll be able to do something there and with all your good wishes and love, I am sure, definitely, you will get very good news from American people. May God bless you. Today is a day I am leaving, and I am very grateful to you, all of you, for taking it up so seriously and working it out. And arise and awake to your responsibilities. And try to love others and also love yourself and be drenched in the Divine Love. May God bless you. Now, if you have any questions, you may ask me about it and I'll try to answer them. But the whole Kundalini and all that you know is a very big subject on which, I don't know, I must have, by now, given about five hundred and one lectures - because if you include today’s - and there are all the tapes with you. In any case, it's better to get the book ‘Advent’ to understand for new people and also some of the tapes to see about the details of Sahaj Yoga. May God bless you. May I have some questions? A few things for the new, new people I would like to say. Few things. Sahaj Yoga is a method, which is born with you, is within you, the Kundalini is within you, is placed in the triangular bone and is your Holy Mother, who is anxious to give you the second birth. And She rises because there must be something about me that She rises and She gives you realisation. Now, that is a mystery in the beginning, so forget it, doesn't matter. Once you get your realisation, then you discover the mystery - is much better. I must be something definitely, otherwise how can it be that thousands of people get realisation in my presence? That's the only conclusion you can come to. But nothing to be afraid of: I am just like you to look at and there's nothing to be worried about. But that’s a mystery. So, for that, you have to rise little higher. When you establish yourself first, it is only thoughtless awareness you receive. We call it as Nirvichar Samadhi; when you have got thoughtless, enlightened consciousness. By that you can raise the Kundalini of others, give them realisation, cure people, do lots of things. But then, another state of being comes up, which is called as doubtless awareness, which is called in Sanskrit language as Nirvikalpa Samadhi. When that matures. I mean, you can't say when. It's not timing. It's the way you mature. You see, when does the fruit come in? When it matures. So, when you mature up to that then you are given the clues to the mysteries of Sahaja Yoga which are to be given only after doubtless awareness. So, first you have to rise from thoughtless awareness to doubtless awareness, which is a state of your being, which is a state, which is not your mind or anything. It is a state by which you start expressing dynamic powers and when that happens only the higher knowledge of Sahaja Yoga, which is a mystery, is to be given to you. Then you become a guru, yourself. You become the guru. You become the master and then you start doing it. You may say that before you start driving a car and understanding it you play with the brake and the accelerator. Gradually you work it out these two powers. Then you become little bit balanced. Then you are appointed as a learning driver. Then you have given [to you] a certificate that, “Alright, now you are a driver.” But you are still a driver. But then when the Master sees that you are such a good driver, he is such a loving Father, that he gives you the mastery and that's how you become a guru. All of you can become guru and there are many gurus sitting behind which are very great and that's how you all can become gurus. You don't have to grow any horns for that and no funny dresses, you have to be absolutely normal people, but inside you are the guru. ‘Guru’ means the one who has the magnet. And the magnet is that where the iron, the ordinary one, is touched with the spark of the magnet, and that spark is the Spirit. Once you become that, then you become the guru. Now the questions please. Seeker: (unclear) Shri Mataji: What did she say? Can you...? Somebody come and tell me. Seeker: May I ask, how do I address You, Your name? Shri Mataji: Dress? Seeker: Yes, address. Shri Mataji: You are beautifully dressed. (laughter) Seeker: No, anyway. I was wondering first, are You going to New York? Shri Mataji: Yes, please. Seeker: Yes, because in New York is a very lovely ‘yogini’, a lady yogi, very highly evolved. And she's working at Carnegie Hall, for many years, I wondered if she knows that you coming? Shri Mataji: Will be good idea. You wanted my address, I heard only “dress,” No, no, you can take my address from these people. But you see the... Seeker: Can she have your address. Can I send you her address? Shri Mataji: Yes, please. Seeker: Because she's very highly evolved. She's very perfect. She's been for twenty five years and- Shri Mataji: It's not the years that matter Seeker: No, I know, I know. Shri Mataji: You see, but tell her that... you see... Seeker: And she could help I think. Shri Mataji: Yes, if she is truthful, she's honest, she will, definitely, I am sure she will. Because there are so many saints in India, even in Rangoon, who know about me and they are very much helpful to me. But one has to be really a saint and not just a so-called saint, you see, that's the point is. So I would like to meet her. You can take my address from them. I thought you were saying, “How should I dress for the program?” (laughing) Alright. What else? You can get it from Mr. Gavin Brown and we are also putting there. Any other question please? Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? Good! Just see, sitting down. Please put your hands like this. Why waste time? Just have it. If you take out your shoes it will help a little more to get it faster because the Mother Earth takes your problems much more. It’s started already, it’s started. It will work out in no time. Just take out your shoes it will help you. You must help yourself you see. Just take out your shoes, will be good. Put your hands like this and put both the feet on the ground. That's very important. It helps faster, I have seen it. Close your eyes please. (Seeker asks question) Now, just now we have started the meditation, alright? You can later on ask me, alright? Please close your eyes. Put your hands like this. You see, the questioning is alright but I would say that it's not a mental activity, alright? So even if I answer all your questions you may not get realisation. Best is to get realisation once for all. Then we'll answer all your questions. Please put your hands like that. Let's see. Let it work out. It's better to work it out first. It’s very simple. It cannot do it with mental activity. It has to work out. It is within you. It jumps like a spring and works out. Now see this gentleman he's sitting here, he just got it like that. He didn't ask any questions or anything. Just like that. You see it’s alright, because I know the mind is such a funny thing it goes on asking questions, but just have it. Ask him to keep quiet for a while your mind, say that, “For the time being can you keep quiet?” Better have the experience first of all, then we'll talk about it. By talking it won't work out, alright? So be kind to yourself. Please put your hands like this and tell your mind to be kind to you, because it thinks all the time. Close your eyes now please. Let it work out. It will work out in no time. I'm sure it will. Just allow. Tell your mind that, “For the time being, can you keep quiet for the time being?” You have to help yourself. You have to tell your mind. There is nothing to doubt because I have nothing to take from you. If I was to take anything from you, then you can doubt, there's nothing selling here so we should give up the attitude of a shopper, but you have come to receive here something. Now, put your right hand on your heart and ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” in your heart. Close your eyes and ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Believe me you are. But you ask the question for your verification - whether you are the Spirit or not. Just say, “Am I the Spirit?” Better. One thing is there is not to feel guilty at all because that is how we don't love ourselves. Just say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” Thrice you have to say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” Don't worry. I am here to do all the jobs so you shouldn't worry about these things. Just leave it. Say that, “Mother, I am not guilty, not at all. I’m not at all guilty.” Now ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” You have to forgive, forgive others. Just say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” “I forgive” - it's a big load. “I forgive everyone.” It's a very big load on the Spirit. “I forgive everyone.” You have to forgive, forgive everyone. Forgive yourself, first of all. Do not get angry with yourself, say, “I forgive myself and I forgive everyone,” because you are the Spirit. Spirit is not guilty and Spirit is forgiveness. Spirit is ocean of love. Spirit is ocean of compassion. You have to become that. Once you become that, then all these minor things, trivial things will drop out. Now you put your right hand on your head and see if there's a cool breeze coming out. Left hand towards me and right hand little above your fontanel bone area. Just see if there's a cool breeze coming in. Just put it like this. I’m giving you all a balance, that's how. Just see, is there a cool breeze coming in? Move your hand a little bit and see [if] there's a cool breeze coming in. Further and backwards. Coming? Good. See now, is it there? Some people might get a little heat, doesn't matter, the heat has to go out. See for yourself. Getting it? Good. Good. One by one all of you will get it. If there is heat you take it out like that - if there is heat, may be heat, some people might have some heat coming out. If there's a heat you just take it out. Heat is due to friction in life, tensions in life, problems - physical, mental, emotional. Is it coming out? Ha, she's got it. Those who have got it can put down their hands. Those who have got it can put down their hands. Good! In both the hands? Good. Now see, is it there? It's there. It's there. How many are new people today? Please raise your hands so the Sahaja yogis can come and look after you. Raise your hands those who are absolutely new, who have come today. Absolutely new who have come first [time]. Please raise your hands who have come for the first time today. She's got it. She's got it. Seeker: But not, not new to yoga, not new to yoga, I'm new to this. Shri Mataji: What is it? Seeker: I'm new to you, but I have been in twenty five years with yoga. Shri Mataji: Hatha Yoga you mean? Seeker: I... to your experience. I'm new. This is the first time I've been but I have studied yoga for twenty-five years. Shri Mataji: The Hatha Yoga that we study here is very physical. Seeker: It's not Hatha Yoga Shri Mataji: Which one? Ah? Seeker: I have studied all of the spiritual gurus' books. Shri Mataji: Which book have you read? Seeker: I mean I've only got my hand up as a novice to Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji: Alright. No, but I just wanted to see if you have got the realisation, you see? For that sake. They all will have to see whether you have got realisation or not. They are just like you to look at but they have got their vibrations and they are in it deft, so they are seeing just. Imagine, these 75% people sitting here are realised souls, can you believe it? Maybe 80% people. Seeker: Oh I see. Shri Mataji: Oh, you are all here? Happy to know. Hello! Roxana has come? Roxana has she come? Where is she? Spain was great I must say. We did a good job in Spain! You give them an understanding of the thing. What is the problem, what they are facing and all that. So talk to them and let them know. How are you? Alright? How is Roxana? Lady: Very well. Shri Mataji: Where is she? Lady: She's down there. Shri Mataji: I'm very happy. Lady: I wanted to thank you. Shri Mataji: For what? The lady: because I have no arthritis in my knees. Shri Mataji: No Arthritis? Lady: Thank You. Thank You very much. Shri Mataji: Oh, not... So you are alright now. Perfectly alright? Lady: Yes. I'm very, very happy. Shri Mataji: I am very happy. May God bless! Arthritis is nothing, simple. It's a very simple disease. Can be cured very easily, you know that. Lady: It has, and I have nothing you have done that! Shri Mataji: Yes. Lady: Thank You very much. I didn’t want to take your time. Shri Mataji: May God bless you! She had arthritis you see, she’s cured of that. Is nothing. Roxana come here. Come. How do you find them? Are they good? Ha. Aah...Good. Alright? Roxana, you see, I went down to Spain. You've done a good job there and Dom is there. I would like some of you to go down if you can. Can you? To Spain for two weeks? One of your brothers can they go down to help him? Because he has a problem with the language. I wish you had come with us. We can pay for the traveling or something. Who would like to go? Lady: I can go Mother. Shri Mataji: Who else? Lady: ?? Shri Mataji: You go alone? Ah? Lady: I was on my way to (??). Shri Mataji: I have to give you a good news also, that he would like to marry you. Lady: (??) Shri Mataji: Donny would like to marry you. Hello. Lady: He's bringing Audrey to me. Shri Mataji: May God bless you! What's your name? Boy: Jeet Singh. Shri Mataji: Jeet Sing? Haa! Very good. Lady, softly: Somebody's happy, Mother. Somebody's happy, Mother. Shri Mataji: And that's why I wanted to see you. Lady: Very lucky, Mother... Shri Mataji: May God bless you! He's very happy to do that. Lady: Thank you, Mother. Shri Mataji: I’m so very happy. Alright? May God bless you!

The Heart of the Universe, Public Programme. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 14 September 1981. It is so heartening to see so many of Sahaj yogis seated before my eyes which are really covered with tears of joy and tremendous happiness. You have been blessed by the grace of God to become the real baptised, the real Muslim, the real Jew, the real Christian, the real Hindu. It was to be that, in England, you had to establish Jerusalem. I need not tell you again and again how important is England in the play of Divine. Those who are Realised and have experienced know it that, this is the place, this is the country, which has to circulate the spiritual powers all over the world. Even when I have travelled in Europe and other places and I’ve seen so many seekers all over - in India we have thousandfold more - despite that, [a] very special category of people are born in England, the Heart of Universe; where the heart has to love, has to radiate, has to circulate, carry all the dirt and filth to be cleared out again. It's nice to see how you all love me, and how you have accepted my love, but I would like you to see that you have to love yourself, you have to respect yourself, you have to have self-esteem and not to be driven into crazy ideas of self-pity and guilt. The lethargy, what we call the ‘left-sidedness’, has to be thrown away, just like a shell is thrown away by a bird when it comes out of its shell of an egg. The transformation has taken place, no doubt, but transmutation is the problem today. We have to change dramatically. All our misidentifications have to be dropped. We have to become what we have been aspiring for, which we have become. We have to assume. The assumption has to be not only mental but is from the heart. The day it will be, in England, accepted from the heart - the assumption which they have achieved, assumption of the powers, assumption of the state which they have achieved - that is the day I would say is the real beginning of a new era for the whole humanity. The responsibility is so great, so very great that, to realise it you have to start loving yourself, having your self-esteem, understanding yourself. Now the basic problem that the Sahaj yogis face in England is this: they blame everything to their ego that, “This is my ego which makes me do this. This is my ego which makes me think like that. This is my ego that does this wrong.” This is just the opposite [of what should be done]. Because you want to blame your ego for everything, and that's how you do not want to go further with your progress. You think that you have been very much in the centre. It’s not true. To be in the centre means you must understand whether you have ego or superego, which is giving you this lethargy, this dullness, this kind of vague approach to things. The whole country is suffering from that, you can see it clearly. I was surprised, when I went to Portugal, that it's like a dead, desolate place. As if people have left that place. They are not willing to rise. They are not going to come up. And this kind of desolate place which is just decaying and dying, in the huge, big buildings that were built there, is a reaction to the ego of the Portuguese. So there should be no reaction at all. There should be no reaction to what your forefathers have done or the way they have been very ego-oriented. On the contrary, to be on the centre is to have self-esteem, to understand that you have got your Realisation now, that you have been blessed specially; to accept it with love towards yourself. If you are bent upon harming yourself, nobody can stop it. You have every right to do that, you have all freedom; but freedom and license are two things. Freedom has to be based on wisdom and license is nonsense as you understand. So [to] all the Sahaj yogis who are here, I have to just say one thing: that you have to change dramatically. Everything you change. We have certain habits we have developed. Some of the things are the blessings of the enterprises that have been floating which are against a proper society. These enterprises have brought in funny ideas which have ruined people, basically. You know those things very well. So, no more to play into these people who just want to make money out of you. First of all the so-called ‘spiritual’ people, who are coming in this country to exploit you, to float some enterprises. You have to understand that God has no enterprise. The whole world is His own enterprise and His own thing. All such people who are indulging into enterprises and are harming your brothers and sisters, you have to be specially careful about them, and dynamic so that you save them before they fall too low and it’s impossible to get them out of the clutches of these horrible people who have come. You invaded the East in a aggressive, open manner, once upon a time. Now the East is invading you in a very subtle manner. It's not [as] if they are invading you in your marketing or in your jobs; they are invading you in your brains. This has to be understood that when these gurus and these fake people come here they are just like the people who went from here to invade India and they have better weapons than these people had. They are enslaving you. And they'll enslave you in such a way that you can never rise from your slavery. India could rise but you cannot rise out of that negativity which they'll be pouring on you. So be careful as to believe into anybody who says, that “I am your guide and I am your guru and you better give me so much money.” Actually a man who lives on your money is a parasite, in simple English language. Nowadays I have to warn you there are many lamas who have been driven out of Tibet. Some of them were lamas some of them have become lamas, it has become a big craze. And they have come in this country also and have started very big enterprises by giving you courses in spiritual life. Ask them how much spiritual life they have! This is very impressive to people, to understand, because it pampers your ego very much. Buddhism was spread by Buddha, not the ‘ism’, but Buddha's way of life and he is the one who is the killer of your ego. The people who go to Buddha must know that your ego should not be pampered. On the contrary he is all the time laughing, the way people are ego-oriented. Now these people who are coming in the disguise of taking out your ego, are putting horrible spirits into you - I have to tell you very, very frankly - and making you feel very low as if spiritually you are much lower than them, which you are not. You should not accept their dictates! None of you. Neither you should allow anybody to accept. Go around the whole place, the whole country and tell them the message that these thugs have come from Tibet, where they were parasites on Tibetans, made that country a very, very poor country and now they have come in this country to bring all kinds of curses upon you. So be careful. They call themselves lama and all those things, I don't understand what sort of spiritual life they lead, what sort of nonsense they teach. First is Self-realisation. Anything that happens to you, which is beyond your control - like any vision, like anything happening to you which is your beyond your control - is not your own. Supposing a person is driving a car and he just... car goes into a slide and falls into a ghat (deep mountain valley) And he said, “I had an experience!” What will you say to such a thing: that the car is not in his control. But the person believes that he had a big experience because he had a big hit on his head. The things that are beyond your control are not your own. Self-realisation is your own. Everything has to be in your own control. Like somebody starts jumping on the chair, he starts thinking, “I'm flying.” Do you fly that way? Do the birds fly that way? They know when to start and when to stop. Those who fall into these traps just start doing it by some force and what is that force is the negative force, one must understand. You should be completely in control of yourself. Whatever happens to you, is it completely under your control or not? Of course if you are driving your car and you go to a particular beautiful place, it's a beautiful experience because you have gone there. But not the way people are thinking that if you start jumping or if you start shouting or screaming and making noises it’s something very great. Ninety-nine percent of things that are happening in this country - you might called them occults, spiritualists, pentecostalist and all sorts of nonsense they call it by - is nothing but the spirits. You are not there. And then the reaction of it starts and one of the first reactions, I must tell you and warn you, is cancer. Be careful of these people! Don't go near them! Tomorrow you'll develop cancer and come to me, “Mother, cure me.” I will not! Today you stop it. I am warning you because I'm your Mother. And I know these things look very charming and very interesting and something sensational. Whatever is the experience outside is not all God's experience. God's experience is only one - of Self-realisation. Where you become completely in control of yourself and you feel the energy of God flowing through you. Now the energy of God also some people say has to be hot. “You have to feel hot.” Some people feel that if you go to someone and you feel very hot energy coming from that person, is vibrations. Now any machine, which goes out of order gives hot vibrations. Any friction gives hot vibrations. But to judge it, best is for you to see what happens in Sahaj Yoga. Supposing there's a cancer patient sitting and there's a mad person sitting, and a one Sahaj yogi sitting or a born-realised is sitting. The person who has a cancer will give such heat that you'll have to put off your heaters. The mad person also may give such heat that you will be amazed at the way the heat is coming or maybe sometimes such frozen hands it will have. He'll have such weaknesses. His hands will be shaking. He’ll become absolutely frozen. He will go into a trance. His eyes will become transfixed. But a realised soul, if he's a born realised, he'll get a cool breeze in a Sahaj Yoga thing. And you should find out what sort of sources they have come. That's how, relatively, you can find out the absolute. The one who is suffering from cancer has got hot. The one who has been to a spiritualist and who is suffering from possession has got hot. So, the one who has got the cool breeze is the one who is really realised. On this point, many people have very funny ideas and I want to tell you clearly today that realisation means cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. It is nothing else but that. Now to maintain this, as our habits are, that we think mental activity can maintain it. It cannot. Now this lady is wonderful! She came late and now she's going away. Why don't you sit down? Why do you want to disturb everyone? This is not the way, you see. No, you must have civic sense, this is not proper. Either you don't come, sit at the back. You must sit in front and disturb anybody, this is no sense of civility. You sit at the back and you can go away. You see, this is not proper. You must have some civic sense. That is just showing off I think, to come in front in the end and then to walk off. Lady: I am not doing that!! Shri Mataji: Yes, please will you go out? I am sorry; this is not the way to behave. Is not the way to behave. You have no respect for anyone. Please go out. So I have to tell you one thing that ,when you come to Sahaj Yog, you have to know that you have to find the reality. You have come here to find reality and not falsehood and whatever is falsehood whether you like it or not I'm going to say it. I have to say it, because I'm here for truth and not for getting your votes, or for any money or anything. And whatever is the true, is to be for your good. The truth is going to adorn you, the truth is going to give you joy, it is going to make you grow, it is going to make you something different, it is going to make you absolute, it is going to give you your purpose. And in this respect, if you understand Sahaj Yog, then you will know that Sahaj Yoga is not a mental activity by any chance, it is not through mental activity we can do it. For example somebody might say that, “How are we to do it, Mother?” “I'm now possessed, I don't know how to get rid of it.” By thinking, “I'm possessed, I must get rid of it,” you cannot. It is beyond your mind. If you think by saying that, “I'm possessed, I should not be possessed,” you'll be cleared out, you will not. For that you have to learn the technique of Sahaj Yog - after realisation, not before. For example this is the machine and you put it to the mains. You must know how to handle it after putting it to the mains, the technique, the technique that is Divine. Unless and until you master the technique that is Divine, you will not be able to keep yourself in balance and you will not grow. So that technique one has to learn. That's why I say that transformation is very easy. To put this (microphone) into the mains is very easy, anybody can do it. But to make it work and make it work well and to utilise it fully, you have to know the technique. First part of it is very simple I think, can happen to thousands very easily. But the second part you have to love yourself. You have to understand your value. You must know you are not here only for your sake. Not for your sake alone, not at all. You are a cell which has to be connected to the whole so that the whole should be substantiated, that the whole is to be helped, the whole of humanity is to be helped. You have a very, very important role to be played. So you better have your self-esteem and responsibility and understand what you have to do. After getting realisation many people who get realisation just disappear because they feel very happy. That's not good. That means you have not paid full attention to yourself. You have not loved yourself; you have not understood yourself. If you have understood yourself then you should try to go deeper into it and grow because every seed can grow into a great tree. We have to establish proper values of family life where the family life gives that nourishment to the children to grow into spirituality. No forbidden things are there but through vibrations you can control. When people have these cool vibrations they feel so happy about it; they don't want to lose it. And for that sake they work it out and the family systems improve. You are going to give the model to the whole world, specially the Western world. You have to give them a new model of life which gives them a proper, happy society and an enlightened society which knows so much more, so much more, which has eyes, which is no more blind, blinded by false ideas. All this science and all these things will drop out just like that once you know Sahaj Yoga because all this knowledge is just a wee part of it. In Australia many people asked me, who came to interview me that, “Are your disciples all scholars?” I said, “No, they come from very ordinary lives. None of them are scholars.” Specially in Australia people are not also so well educated [as] they are here because they don't have Cambridge and Oxford I believe. And despite that, they can beat any Cambridge and Oxford fellow here in their knowledge. The knowledge is there because of the Light. Say I describe this room or England to anyone who is not here, who cannot see it. How much his knowledge would be? But the one who has lived here, who knows it, who knows each and every part of it, knows it much more than a person who might have done his MA in India about England. It's only bookish knowledge but here the real knowledge comes into you. The third thing is of experiencing which is very important. What have you to experience? Many people say, “Mother what should we experience?” To begin with: the thoughtless awareness that you get when the Kundalini rises about cross, about this point called as Agnya Chakra. As I have told you that Agnya Chakra is one of the most important chakras we have got where resides our Lord Jesus Christ. And why it is so important is this: because he is put there, or we can say the grace had adorned this chakra with His being that when the Kundalini rises he's awakened and when he's awakened he can suck your ego and superego, all your conditionings, all your past karmas and all your future problems he sucks. But that is not possible if you just ask somebody who is from a theological college to baptise, that's all artificial, that's not real. [With] real baptism you see the Kundalini rising in you. It’s a living process of a living God. Just like a seed sprouts your Kundalini sprouts and you feel it on your head. Actually feel it on your head, the cool breeze coming out. And this should happen to you otherwise it is not a realisation. Now the experience, the second one you get is the cool breeze coming out here and cool breeze in the hands. Those people [who] have a weak centre here, do not get this cool breeze. Some people got it after two months, three months, makes no difference. But you get the cool breeze here and after that, when your hands are sensitive enough you start feeling them in the hand also. And also you can feel your centres. But those who do not feel in the hand are amazingly, are also very developed people because they can feel all these centres of other people and their own within themselves. This is the physical experience: means in your central nervous system. This you feel in your conscious mind. This is the first experience. No other experience like seeing a aura around me, or a light around me or something else, like Buddha, Christ or anything, this is no experience. This is going either to the left or to the right. In the centre you feel the cool breeze and a cool breeze from your head. This is the physical experience you get. Now what happens to the eyes? Eyes become sparkling. They sparkle. A Sahaja yogi has a sparkling eyes. This is a physical expression of that. It cannot be anything else. If somebody you find his eyes are very dull then you should know that his realisation has gone down or he's not yet realised. Eyes are sparkling and joyous. This is only on the physical level, I would say. But in the beginning, the first experience that one starts getting is so physical and so innate, so built-in, that you are amazed at it. Then you start working on other people. Say you start working on a particular person and you say, “Oh, it's moving, it's coming, it's done, it's there.” Then you start seeing how the person is imbalanced, how his one side is more, one side is less, how he has problems on his centres, the knowledge about the people, knowledge about everything. Like say this flower arrangement - is it alright or not? Is this alright or not? If it is alright, you'll start getting vibrations from that person. Anything that you think is beautiful may not be, might be very ugly. Through vibrations you will know that it is beautiful. Like, say, Mona Lisa. Mona Lisa is a thing…I mean she's not one of these modern beauties or anything. But why she's appreciated so much - if you see the vibrations of Mona Lisa's paintings are very great. So your knowledge about things starts, means discrimination increases and you start understanding things. And this is the first experience for your brain. You start understanding people, you start understanding problems, you start understanding the problems of the whole world in a way as a spectator, as a witness. You start seeing the whole thing as a witness and then, when you start seeing that - I mean you become, again you become; it's actualisation - then you start enjoying the joke, understanding the whole thing. You sometimes are amused, “Oh, I was the same and now they are the same!” This rat race, this madness and these emotional plays and these ego trips and everything you start seeing it so clearly because you have been through it and you start seeing and it amuses you. It's full of amusement and mirth and joy. Then you start seeing it also as a tragedy that's on people is. The compassion starts flowing. You start feeling what are they doing, where are they going to crash themselves? Sometimes I am very happy when people try to tell me about others, that, “Mother, have compassion for him because he is doing it in ignorance.” You see, I know that. I am compassion, no doubt. But when somebody says, it makes me very happy. You become generous, absolutely generous. You do not bother about counting your pennies but you think, “What can I give? What can I give to this person? What should I give?” You are sitting down, you see a person thirsty, immediately you'll rush for a water and bring it. Or else, otherwise normally people shout and scream and abuse. No, you become very kind, gentle and you feel the another person's needs. Immediately you run to it, you work on it. This starts working on your emotional level then, gradually, when you start working on others. You start feeling for the whole world, “Oh God! What's going to happen? Thousands are getting lost. How are we to save them?” You start thinking about them and how to work it out. Then you start praying to God that, “Oh God! Save them. Make them also enlightened so that they enter into the Kingdom of God.” And a new type of emotional flowering comes in and the fragrance of your virtues which become so much vibrant when you are realised. Your virtues you see, you enjoy them. You enjoy to be truthful, you enjoy to be moral; you enjoy to respect others. You enjoy it. When virtue becomes the enjoyment then the joy is complete. Then everything is such a joy. The whole thing is such a joy. The whole meeting is such a joy and you become collectively joyous. Then you do not have very individualistic idea “my house, my room, my holiday,” “my”. Then it becomes ours. You start talking, ‘Ours’. You don't mind any inconveniences. You see, I travel in India into villages, you know that and we have to live in all conditions there - and you people are used to so many comforts [but] you just forget because this love, this compassion and this joy is too great to be sacrificed for any comfort of the world. And that joy, once it dawns upon you, you become so generous that you want to enjoy with others. This is the dream of Jerusalem that I see in this England and I hope that the people who are wise, who are understanding, will come down to Sahaj Yoga and see for themselves how they can transform this country into a new world. Now I am on my way to America. I am again amused at it because the people in America have different ideas. I mean English are difficult to crack, no doubt, that's true, but they are a bit too steady people. They have very fixed ideas. They are people of fixed attention. For example, a person is not wearing a proper tie, for them it upsets them. They are very formal people and that's how they are different type of people: they won't accept anything readily. That's a good thing in a way, not to accept any, because mostly you accept all nonsense very readily. But Americans are the different type. They accept everything readily and give up readily. They have a guru shopping on. All the time they are shopping for guru from one to another and just like, as I told you, they are fixing-up their screws and even when the machine stops they are fixing-up their screws (reference to Charlie Chaplin’s ‘Modern Times’ which Mother liked). They are that type of people. So it's a very shifty sand that I am going into and you have to use your solidarity, your fixations that you have in the faith, true faith, enlightened faith, that this world is going to change, that we are achieving it for the whole world. This will substantiate my work there very much, I know. And then their changing and their transformation will be very great. Because wherever you go, whatever you do, your attention should be fixed onto your Absolute, that is your Spirit: which is unchangeable, which cannot be destroyed, which is eternal. And that's why the English have to do something about it, to fix their attentions properly onto their Spirit. To say that, “I am the Spirit,” “I am the Spirit” and “I am the Spirit.” This will help a lot. You know you are the channels for this work for which I am going to America. And I am sure we'll be able to fix them in their proper places. They know how to fix everything. You see they talk like this, “I'll fix your breakfast, I'll fix your lunch..." They fix you up everywhere and it's like a machine they are fixing you up. Like, you are going to the airport they'll say, “Now, all set?” “Now, you said me ‘all set’, what more?” “Have you given the keys?” “Yes, all done. Everything done.” “All set? All set?” You start wondering where are they setting you to? To moon or what? So they are like that. But they are simple people in some ways because they have not yet learnt lots of cunning things because they never invaded any country - I think you picked up lots of things from other countries also when you invaded them - and they are simpler people. But simple people can be simpleton also and that's why you have to see that wisdom must be brought to them. They are all the children of God, every one different, differently made, but so beautiful. All of them have this possibility and the Spirit resides in them, the star shines, and I am going with very great hope. I am sure we'll be able to do something there and with all your good wishes and love, I am sure, definitely, you will get very good news from American people. May God bless you. Today is a day I am leaving, and I am very grateful to you, all of you, for taking it up so seriously and working it out. And arise and awake to your responsibilities. And try to love others and also love yourself and be drenched in the Divine Love. May God bless you. Now, if you have any questions, you may ask me about it and I'll try to answer them. But the whole Kundalini and all that you know is a very big subject on which, I don't know, I must have, by now, given about five hundred and one lectures - because if you include today’s - and there are all the tapes with you. In any case, it's better to get the book ‘Advent’ to understand for new people and also some of the tapes to see about the details of Sahaj Yoga. May God bless you. May I have some questions? A few things for the new, new people I would like to say. Few things. Sahaj Yoga is a method, which is born with you, is within you, the Kundalini is within you, is placed in the triangular bone and is your Holy Mother, who is anxious to give you the second birth. And She rises because there must be something about me that She rises and She gives you realisation. Now, that is a mystery in the beginning, so forget it, doesn't matter. Once you get your realisation, then you discover the mystery - is much better. I must be something definitely, otherwise how can it be that thousands of people get realisation in my presence? That's the only conclusion you can come to. But nothing to be afraid of: I am just like you to look at and there's nothing to be worried about. But that’s a mystery. So, for that, you have to rise little higher. When you establish yourself first, it is only thoughtless awareness you receive. We call it as Nirvichar Samadhi; when you have got thoughtless, enlightened consciousness. By that you can raise the Kundalini of others, give them realisation, cure people, do lots of things. But then, another state of being comes up, which is called as doubtless awareness, which is called in Sanskrit language as Nirvikalpa Samadhi. When that matures. I mean, you can't say when. It's not timing. It's the way you mature. You see, when does the fruit come in? When it matures. So, when you mature up to that then you are given the clues to the mysteries of Sahaja Yoga which are to be given only after doubtless awareness. So, first you have to rise from thoughtless awareness to doubtless awareness, which is a state of your being, which is a state, which is not your mind or anything. It is a state by which you start expressing dynamic powers and when that happens only the higher knowledge of Sahaja Yoga, which is a mystery, is to be given to you. Then you become a guru, yourself. You become the guru. You become the master and then you start doing it. You may say that before you start driving a car and understanding it you play with the brake and the accelerator. Gradually you work it out these two powers. Then you become little bit balanced. Then you are appointed as a learning driver. Then you have given [to you] a certificate that, “Alright, now you are a driver.” But you are still a driver. But then when the Master sees that you are such a good driver, he is such a loving Father, that he gives you the mastery and that's how you become a guru. All of you can become guru and there are many gurus sitting behind which are very great and that's how you all can become gurus. You don't have to grow any horns for that and no funny dresses, you have to be absolutely normal people, but inside you are the guru. ‘Guru’ means the one who has the magnet. And the magnet is that where the iron, the ordinary one, is touched with the spark of the magnet, and that spark is the Spirit. Once you become that, then you become the guru. Now the questions please. Seeker: (unclear) Shri Mataji: What did she say? Can you...? Somebody come and tell me. Seeker: May I ask, how do I address You, Your name? Shri Mataji: Dress? Seeker: Yes, address. Shri Mataji: You are beautifully dressed. (laughter) Seeker: No, anyway. I was wondering first, are You going to New York? Shri Mataji: Yes, please. Seeker: Yes, because in New York is a very lovely ‘yogini’, a lady yogi, very highly evolved. And she's working at Carnegie Hall, for many years, I wondered if she knows that you coming? Shri Mataji: Will be good idea. You wanted my address, I heard only “dress,” No, no, you can take my address from these people. But you see the... Seeker: Can she have your address. Can I send you her address? Shri Mataji: Yes, please. Seeker: Because she's very highly evolved. She's very perfect. She's been for twenty five years and- Shri Mataji: It's not the years that matter Seeker: No, I know, I know. Shri Mataji: You see, but tell her that... you see... Seeker: And she could help I think. Shri Mataji: Yes, if she is truthful, she's honest, she will, definitely, I am sure she will. Because there are so many saints in India, even in Rangoon, who know about me and they are very much helpful to me. But one has to be really a saint and not just a so-called saint, you see, that's the point is. So I would like to meet her. You can take my address from them. I thought you were saying, “How should I dress for the program?” (laughing) Alright. What else? You can get it from Mr. Gavin Brown and we are also putting there. Any other question please? Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? Good! Just see, sitting down. Please put your hands like this. Why waste time? Just have it. If you take out your shoes it will help a little more to get it faster because the Mother Earth takes your problems much more. It’s started already, it’s started. It will work out in no time. Just take out your shoes it will help you. You must help yourself you see. Just take out your shoes, will be good. Put your hands like this and put both the feet on the ground. That's very important. It helps faster, I have seen it. Close your eyes please. (Seeker asks question) Now, just now we have started the meditation, alright? You can later on ask me, alright? Please close your eyes. Put your hands like this. You see, the questioning is alright but I would say that it's not a mental activity, alright? So even if I answer all your questions you may not get realisation. Best is to get realisation once for all. Then we'll answer all your questions. Please put your hands like that. Let's see. Let it work out. It's better to work it out first. It’s very simple. It cannot do it with mental activity. It has to work out. It is within you. It jumps like a spring and works out. Now see this gentleman he's sitting here, he just got it like that. He didn't ask any questions or anything. Just like that. You see it’s alright, because I know the mind is such a funny thing it goes on asking questions, but just have it. Ask him to keep quiet for a while your mind, say that, “For the time being can you keep quiet?” Better have the experience first of all, then we'll talk about it. By talking it won't work out, alright? So be kind to yourself. Please put your hands like this and tell your mind to be kind to you, because it thinks all the time. Close your eyes now please. Let it work out. It will work out in no time. I'm sure it will. Just allow. Tell your mind that, “For the time being, can you keep quiet for the time being?” You have to help yourself. You have to tell your mind. There is nothing to doubt because I have nothing to take from you. If I was to take anything from you, then you can doubt, there's nothing selling here so we should give up the attitude of a shopper, but you have come to receive here something. Now, put your right hand on your heart and ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” in your heart. Close your eyes and ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Believe me you are. But you ask the question for your verification - whether you are the Spirit or not. Just say, “Am I the Spirit?” Better. One thing is there is not to feel guilty at all because that is how we don't love ourselves. Just say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” Thrice you have to say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” Don't worry. I am here to do all the jobs so you shouldn't worry about these things. Just leave it. Say that, “Mother, I am not guilty, not at all. I’m not at all guilty.” Now ask the question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” You have to forgive, forgive others. Just say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” “I forgive” - it's a big load. “I forgive everyone.” It's a very big load on the Spirit. “I forgive everyone.” You have to forgive, forgive everyone. Forgive yourself, first of all. Do not get angry with yourself, say, “I forgive myself and I forgive everyone,” because you are the Spirit. Spirit is not guilty and Spirit is forgiveness. Spirit is ocean of love. Spirit is ocean of compassion. You have to become that. Once you become that, then all these minor things, trivial things will drop out. Now you put your right hand on your head and see if there's a cool breeze coming out. Left hand towards me and right hand little above your fontanel bone area. Just see if there's a cool breeze coming in. Just put it like this. I’m giving you all a balance, that's how. Just see, is there a cool breeze coming in? Move your hand a little bit and see [if] there's a cool breeze coming in. Further and backwards. Coming? Good. See now, is it there? Some people might get a little heat, doesn't matter, the heat has to go out. See for yourself. Getting it? Good. Good. One by one all of you will get it. If there is heat you take it out like that - if there is heat, may be heat, some people might have some heat coming out. If there's a heat you just take it out. Heat is due to friction in life, tensions in life, problems - physical, mental, emotional. Is it coming out? Ha, she's got it. Those who have got it can put down their hands. Those who have got it can put down their hands. Good! In both the hands? Good. Now see, is it there? It's there. It's there. How many are new people today? Please raise your hands so the Sahaja yogis can come and look after you. Raise your hands those who are absolutely new, who have come today. Absolutely new who have come first [time]. Please raise your hands who have come for the first time today. She's got it. She's got it. Seeker: But not, not new to yoga, not new to yoga, I'm new to this. Shri Mataji: What is it? Seeker: I'm new to you, but I have been in twenty five years with yoga. Shri Mataji: Hatha Yoga you mean? Seeker: I... to your experience. I'm new. This is the first time I've been but I have studied yoga for twenty-five years. Shri Mataji: The Hatha Yoga that we study here is very physical. Seeker: It's not Hatha Yoga Shri Mataji: Which one? Ah? Seeker: I have studied all of the spiritual gurus' books. Shri Mataji: Which book have you read? Seeker: I mean I've only got my hand up as a novice to Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji: Alright. No, but I just wanted to see if you have got the realisation, you see? For that sake. They all will have to see whether you have got realisation or not. They are just like you to look at but they have got their vibrations and they are in it deft, so they are seeing just. Imagine, these 75% people sitting here are realised souls, can you believe it? Maybe 80% people. Seeker: Oh I see. Shri Mataji: Oh, you are all here? Happy to know. Hello! Roxana has come? Roxana has she come? Where is she? Spain was great I must say. We did a good job in Spain! You give them an understanding of the thing. What is the problem, what they are facing and all that. So talk to them and let them know. How are you? Alright? How is Roxana? Lady: Very well. Shri Mataji: Where is she? Lady: She's down there. Shri Mataji: I'm very happy. Lady: I wanted to thank you. Shri Mataji: For what? The lady: because I have no arthritis in my knees. Shri Mataji: No Arthritis? Lady: Thank You. Thank You very much. Shri Mataji: Oh, not... So you are alright now. Perfectly alright? Lady: Yes. I'm very, very happy. Shri Mataji: I am very happy. May God bless! Arthritis is nothing, simple. It's a very simple disease. Can be cured very easily, you know that. Lady: It has, and I have nothing you have done that! Shri Mataji: Yes. Lady: Thank You very much. I didn’t want to take your time. Shri Mataji: May God bless you! She had arthritis you see, she’s cured of that. Is nothing. Roxana come here. Come. How do you find them? Are they good? Ha. Aah...Good. Alright? Roxana, you see, I went down to Spain. You've done a good job there and Dom is there. I would like some of you to go down if you can. Can you? To Spain for two weeks? One of your brothers can they go down to help him? Because he has a problem with the language. I wish you had come with us. We can pay for the traveling or something. Who would like to go? Lady: I can go Mother. Shri Mataji: Who else? Lady: ?? Shri Mataji: You go alone? Ah? Lady: I was on my way to (??). Shri Mataji: I have to give you a good news also, that he would like to marry you. Lady: (??) Shri Mataji: Donny would like to marry you. Hello. Lady: He's bringing Audrey to me. Shri Mataji: May God bless you! What's your name? Boy: Jeet Singh. Shri Mataji: Jeet Sing? Haa! Very good. Lady, softly: Somebody's happy, Mother. Somebody's happy, Mother. Shri Mataji: And that's why I wanted to see you. Lady: Very lucky, Mother... Shri Mataji: May God bless you! He's very happy to do that. Lady: Thank you, Mother. Shri Mataji: I’m so very happy. Alright? May God bless you!

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Manhattan Sightseeing Tour

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Conversation I was saying that I really tried to give realization to all those [inaudible] me, in fact, [inaudible] Americans can't say. I can do my level best. [inaudible] with the proof. All right. [inaudible] [inaudible] too much money, don't know what to do with yourself, now when they say, "I'm suffering". Otherwise you can't enjoy. [inaudible] You are really making me self conscious now [inaudible] I like the Rockefella center, its really [inaudible]. What is this one? This is also a building? this has very bad [vibrations? inaudible]. Why everyone is not having a family? nothing? They have [inaudible] They have go on to have no culture they murder people. [inaudible] I think they have a right to do what they [want? inaudible] [inaudible] can't stay here longer. [inaudible] will run away. He never comes to Manhattan. [inaudible] story is about the advent of the primordial one, that, the deity of Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha, you know who they are. Their wife, their power fell jealous of a lady who was very pure, Anushuiya. She is the power of the primordial, I mean she was the mother. She's the mother of all the Gurus. And they said that she, this lady is such a chaste lady and too much [inaudible] and make her fall from her chastity [inaudible] her. She was actually the primordial mother Anusiya. So they went into her house, she was a wife of a very big Saint and he was out. And they said, "we want .." See, a guest who comes to your house can demand anything, according to Indian dharma. So they came in and then said that "We want you to serve our food naked. Take out all your clothes and [serve us?]" Now you can't say no to your guests because that is your dharma. "It's all right, I will do it. ",she said [inaudible] but as soon as she started, [both of them?] became little children. [inaudible] Little little babies. [inaudible] And the little baby doesn't understand anything and she nursed them together. All right. And then she said, "Now." She combined them together, and that's how Dattatrieya, has three faces. Innocence of these people. She brought them to their innocence. The innocence was created, and this is the innocence of these three deities [Christ is the innocence? inaudible]. These three form this innocence part to balance and this state they come, here as [inaudible], innocence has latent power [inaudible] ekadesha rudra. I mean there are [inaudible] way but others are also powers of [inaudible]. That's how they establish [inaudible]. All that is in the void and come here at [this side?] See this hand, and left, this is Ganesha, the innocence part. That, all right? I mean I don't know how, how one should have [reached this sthiti?] and Jains are the [inaudible] in India. These Jains, you see, are strict people, very strict vegetarianism they have, they don't even eat garlic. [inaudible] Garlic is very important for the heart, they don't eat garlic, they don't eat onion. The whole thing revolves around [food ? ], they are strict vegetarian but [inaudible] got realization [inaudible] he was a jain and his wife was a pure jain and he hated all that non sense. So, he told me "I was Jain." [inaudible] Because they are told not to eat meat or anything, what they do when they come to America? They go to all the youth clubs, they drink a lot, the only thing that they don't eat is [inaudible?]. They are rich people, they are very rich and [inaudible]. And same with the Jews, you can find. The religion is limited to a little part, the rest is [inaudible]. I mean [inaudible] not with any commandments. What can you do about it? I mean, [they have become more sensible now? [inaudible], fanaticism is a very very collective ego, I think, its a very big collective ego, the collective ego is [inaudible] and when collective become [inaudible], you start loving you know, like English people, they [inaudible] by using spoons and forks. According to them, those who cannot use spoons and forks are [not English?]. That's how they feel about it. I have landed in America. [inaudible] of some house property. How does she remember all that, I am surprised, its a good memory.

Conversation I was saying that I really tried to give realization to all those [inaudible] me, in fact, [inaudible] Americans can't say. I can do my level best. [inaudible] with the proof. All right. [inaudible] [inaudible] too much money, don't know what to do with yourself, now when they say, "I'm suffering". Otherwise you can't enjoy. [inaudible] You are really making me self conscious now [inaudible] I like the Rockefella center, its really [inaudible]. What is this one? This is also a building? this has very bad [vibrations? inaudible]. Why everyone is not having a family? nothing? They have [inaudible] They have go on to have no culture they murder people. [inaudible] I think they have a right to do what they [want? inaudible] [inaudible] can't stay here longer. [inaudible] will run away. He never comes to Manhattan. [inaudible] story is about the advent of the primordial one, that, the deity of Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha, you know who they are. Their wife, their power fell jealous of a lady who was very pure, Anushuiya. She is the power of the primordial, I mean she was the mother. She's the mother of all the Gurus. And they said that she, this lady is such a chaste lady and too much [inaudible] and make her fall from her chastity [inaudible] her. She was actually the primordial mother Anusiya. So they went into her house, she was a wife of a very big Saint and he was out. And they said, "we want .." See, a guest who comes to your house can demand anything, according to Indian dharma. So they came in and then said that "We want you to serve our food naked. Take out all your clothes and [serve us?]" Now you can't say no to your guests because that is your dharma. "It's all right, I will do it. ",she said [inaudible] but as soon as she started, [both of them?] became little children. [inaudible] Little little babies. [inaudible] And the little baby doesn't understand anything and she nursed them together. All right. And then she said, "Now." She combined them together, and that's how Dattatrieya, has three faces. Innocence of these people. She brought them to their innocence. The innocence was created, and this is the innocence of these three deities [Christ is the innocence? inaudible]. These three form this innocence part to balance and this state they come, here as [inaudible], innocence has latent power [inaudible] ekadesha rudra. I mean there are [inaudible] way but others are also powers of [inaudible]. That's how they establish [inaudible]. All that is in the void and come here at [this side?] See this hand, and left, this is Ganesha, the innocence part. That, all right? I mean I don't know how, how one should have [reached this sthiti?] and Jains are the [inaudible] in India. These Jains, you see, are strict people, very strict vegetarianism they have, they don't even eat garlic. [inaudible] Garlic is very important for the heart, they don't eat garlic, they don't eat onion. The whole thing revolves around [food ? ], they are strict vegetarian but [inaudible] got realization [inaudible] he was a jain and his wife was a pure jain and he hated all that non sense. So, he told me "I was Jain." [inaudible] Because they are told not to eat meat or anything, what they do when they come to America? They go to all the youth clubs, they drink a lot, the only thing that they don't eat is [inaudible?]. They are rich people, they are very rich and [inaudible]. And same with the Jews, you can find. The religion is limited to a little part, the rest is [inaudible]. I mean [inaudible] not with any commandments. What can you do about it? I mean, [they have become more sensible now? [inaudible], fanaticism is a very very collective ego, I think, its a very big collective ego, the collective ego is [inaudible] and when collective become [inaudible], you start loving you know, like English people, they [inaudible] by using spoons and forks. According to them, those who cannot use spoons and forks are [not English?]. That's how they feel about it. I have landed in America. [inaudible] of some house property. How does she remember all that, I am surprised, its a good memory.

9/19/1981

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How to bring the Spirit into our conscious mind?

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Public Program Day 1. New York (USA), 19 September 1981. It’s nice to come back to America. I know there are lots of seekers in this country; lost. They are frantically seeking, no doubt. They are genuine seekers, I have no doubt about it. I came back after 9 years; it was unfortunate because I was busy with other parts of the world and I knew I’d find them again when I came back. It is for us to know first of all that if you are seeking reality if you are seeking the truth, we have to be very honest about it; extremely honest. You have to know that unless and until you find it, you should not believe anyone., You should not accept any surface anything. People may say anything. I may tell you that you have to have your Realization. That doesn’t mean that you have to believe Me – it doesn’t mean that at all. But you should not also deny Me. Now, first of all we should know what we are seeking. There has been never on this earth such an urge to seek. So many seekers! I don’t know if you understand that a really different type of category of people – I call them men of God – are born who are seekers. And they will go on seeking until they find the truth. But one has to know what we are seeking. What are we to seek? It is said you have to become. You have to be. What do we have to be? We have to be our Spirit. Now we do not know what our Spirit is. The Spirit exists, no doubt. It watches us. We know there is a Spirit. But how to bring that Spirit into our conscious mind – into our central nervous system – is the point. And when people know that there are such demands, the market also gets filled with enterprise is very common. Americans have the worst hit because you have worse, you have money. That is the worst part of it. And that’s how all of them are different down here and they have exploited you. I’m sorry for all that. But I must tell you that you cannot pay for your Realization. It’s an insult to God. How can you pay? How can you p[ay for His love? Do you pay to a tree when it gives you fruit? You do not. Maybe a merchant might take a fruit and settle. It’s much more than that. “How can we pay for it?” Is a simple question we should ask ourselves; honestly. Then the second point is, you cannot have courses in God Realization. What university did Christ go? He was a simple man. Did he go to any university? There is no understanding for us. That God is for everyone, whether you are rich people or not. Whether you understand this language or that language, God’s language is of love and it’s for everyone… every person….for every case. It cannot be for one person or one type of people or of one category. But one category is there and they are the seekers. Seeker is a special category, but only trouble is they do not know what they are seeking. For this, we have to divert to some authentic people. For example, we should see now Christ. Christ said that you are to be born again. Last time, when I came to America, they were taping my speeches and all that in Los Angeles. And I was amazed, you see, that people objected to it; felt they should not tape. I said, “Let them tape. What does it matter?” They said, “No Mother, they will publish it.” I said, “Let them publish it. It’s a fact. They should get it. They should get their Realization. They are to be born again.” But I was amazed! Then, they write books as if that was their knowledge. I don’t mind that either. But saying that you are to be born again and they got a certificate – a sales certificate – that we are born again. How can you certify yourself you are born again? You have to be honest about it. If you are born again something special has to happen to us. Like Jung has said that you have to become – become collectively conscious. Not that I say we are all brothers and sisters and we are all one. No, you have to become that part and parcel of the whole – as you say the microcosm. You have to become this microcosm has to become that. That means in evolution, your awareness has to become something more. As an animal, you see, for example, for an animal. He doesn’t see any colors. He doesn’t see whether is filthy or good. But you do. I’m the same way, if you have to rise higher, the change has to come in your awareness. That is one thing one should know that the transformation has to take place in your awareness. And that is what one should see. Is there any transformation in awareness? For example, there is some lady who starts jumping on the seat. I’ve seen some people who come to Me. They just start jumping and they think they have got Realization. How can that be? You are not in possession of yourself. You have to be your own master. Here somebody is making you jump. Maybe you are possessed. You have not, have no authority over yourself. You do not know how to control yourself. And how do you say that you have got Realization? If you become Self-realized, you are not going to be enslaved. You are going to get over all kinds of slavery. You have to be a master. This should be the test of anything that you are seeking. What have you got, you say? Are you emitting your own powers? I may say (as he has said it, I mean, I don’t know why Warren said this because I seldom start with this kind of a thing); but if you wanted to see who said it. Now to say that I am such and such and such and such is nonsense. I may be anything. So what? What did you get is the point! Did you feel yourself any more than before? Did you get anything more than you have had before? Not that you become crazy people or recluses. That’s not the way. You are going to become, a most normal person has to be extremely normal. And above all, you have to have complete control of yourself. That is the minimum of minimums one should know. But our idea about Self-realization is so much spoiled and so many pseudo people have written, even about Kundalini. I was amazed when I found out that such big, big books are written about Kundalini saying it is in the stomach, some say it is in the nose it is here and there. It is not there! It is in the sacrum bone. You can see it yourself with your own eyes. When the Kundalini rises you can see the pulsation just like a heart not in everyone, of course. But in some people who have had an obstruction, you can see with your naked eyes. You should be able to see it – happily – and you can also feel the pulsation coming to the head. I mean so many people have said it. There are people now, I am told, who are converting people into Sikhism and this and that. And what is Sikhism? If you need, read Kabir (sp ?) who is the basis of Sikhism. He has said that you have to feel the cool breeze coming out of your head. He says (Mother quotes in another language). This means, on the head, first of all, there is the sound of Anahata, is this thumb-dub of the heart and then you feel the cool breeze coming out. Is so clearly said, but who reads those people? Those people who talk even of Hinduism and all that, do they read Adi Shankaracharya? What Adi Shankaracharya has said? He has written books after books on Kundalini; and not only, but on this Chaitanya, he has written a complete book. But people don’t read that. You get these – I don’t know – extracts and some sort of a – I don’t know how they are not afraid of God? They are not afraid – just to make some money – I don’t know. Are they going to carry this money with them? It’s very, very wrong! It’s very sinful. I don’t mind whatever they do. It’s alright if they want to be smugglers and all. There are many like that. But they spoil your Kundalini. You are damaged. And this is the thing which I am concerned about. It’s a very sad thing. Coming to America is a real [inaudible]? for me because I did send some of the people who were really realized should and they came here. They ran away within 3 days. They said they will never recognize us there is a barrier there is a barrier. They will never recognize Mother. They rushed back. They stayed in New York, one of them stayed. He ran away. He couldn’t stand it. He said, “They just want something else. They don’t want Ìod. They don’t want their Spirit.” Of course, I don’t believe that. These barriers are created to us because we read about it. We try to understand through reading. It’s good, but you must come to a right conclusion through logical, logical understanding; not rationality. Rationality is something which can take you anywhere. Rationality can give you (you can) rationalize even a murder anything! But, logically, you must understand. Where should we reach? What should happen to us? As seekers, what are we expecting? This is a very, very precarious and important time is more to say. The Last Judgement has started. That has started. That’s how you are all here and you are seeking. The way it will judge, is the Kundalini has to rise. You have to become Self-realized. Then you start feeling your centers on your fingers. Tomorrow I will give you all the information about the centers and all that and I will tell you how He will judge you. What are your centers that are catching? And then you will judge that and you will know what is the problem how to get it done how to get it alright. There is no technique for [inaudible]. Like if you sow a seed it becomes a tree. There is no technique. If you have flowers, they become a fruit. It’s a living thing. And living things don’t have any technique. But once you get connected, then you must know the Divine laws and you must know the Divine technique. But first, you must be realized. Unless and until you are put to the Mains, how can you use this machine¿ You are not yet put to the Mains. How can you do anything? It’s like telephoning somewhere without having connection. You must be connected., first of all to the Divine ( but this is not a difficult thing.). In modern times is very easy. Formerly, it was, like you can say, a tree. In the beginning, you get only one or two flowers. But the time has come. The blossom time has come. Already today, I went to see William Blake’s drawing exhibition. And he said, “All your sins and blasphemy and everything will be forgiven. All your sins will be forgiven.” He has said about these days. He said that the men of God will become prophets and they will have the power to convert and transform others into prophets. He has clearly prophesized about Sahaja Yoga. Every word he has said about it. But people don’t read Blake. If you go and see his exhibition, you’ll be surprised how in the “Pilgrim’s Progress” only he has given clearly how you face life. And there are some Sahaja Yogis here sitting down at your back here. And they have come from London and some of them from Australia. And they could see. This is how you face it. But to get Realization is the easiest thing; to maintain it rather difficult. But also that is possible. Now we have in London (you will be surprised) a hall at least one and one-half times bigger than this. And the hall was completely filled. And they rose up to sing a song of Jeruseleum which was a great experience for me to see that. But( you won’t believe) I started the work in England because my husband got elected to a post there. That’s how we were there. And in the beginning, I was working with seven people – seven hippies, I should say seven people for four years. And now of course, in the whole of England, we have many centers and lots of people have got Realization and they are working it out. It’s working out very well. We have some people here from there who have come. Dr. David is here and Hesta is a barrister. Then we have these two from Australia – Dr. Warren, who was a diplomat. And these two are American girls – both of them – ah Christine – has been with me since long and Marcia who got her Realization only two months back, but she was so upright and so straight forward. And you should know that it is you who should decide. If you say I am your Guru, alright I accept it for the time being. But a Mother is always a guru. If you say that your mother had to teach you so many things – also I have to teach you some things. But actually, it is you who is your own guru. You have to become it. Unless and until you are connected, how will you judge? Once you get connected, you will be able to check. But you don’t think it is a mental activity that is going to bring you your Realization. No, God has placed everything beautifully within us; everything. You have got your Kundalini very nicely placed in the sacrum bone. Now, see this bone. Sacrum is a triangular bone called “sacrum” so that Greeks know about this bone. They knew it was a sacred bone. Sacrum means sacred in Greek. When I went to Greece, I was surprised. They have the complete idea of kundalini; complete idea. And they have this Athena also means the Primordial Mother. In Sanskrit language, Athena – Athens comes from that and the way She was holding a serpent in her hand and everything – absolutely She is the Primordial Kundalini. And the whole concept was there and when I went into the study of that I tried to find out what it was how did they know? They said we had some Indo-Aryian groups coming down here and they told us these things and that’s how they know about it. But, that was all lost because they brought all the Gods to the level of human beings and made a lot of mess out of it. Now we have to know how Christ was such an important incarnation on this earth. We have really made a mess of the whole thing. He said that you are to be born again. Actually, he came on this center where you see this red mark. You see – it is placed in the optic chiasma. In the center is a subtle center called as Agnya chakra. In the Hindu scriptures, He is called as Mahavishnu. But I will tell about His advent when He came on this earth. We say, He is the gate; he is the door. He is the door below the limbic area. And the limbic area is the Kingdom of God. Where one has to center, the attention has to enter. How you enter into it? Not bodily, but your attention has to enter it. Your attention is spread out in this area. But not there – it has to enter through that area into the limbic area and ultimately, is the fontanel area. It becomes soft and the kundalini has to come out and with the cool breeze, this is your actual baptism. Is not the baptism you go to some theological college to learn and say alright – I baptize – it’s all artificial. It’s absolutely artificial. That’s not the way you can baptize. You have to be a realized soul to do that. John the Baptist was a realized soul. He was the one who knew how to do it. And he did it for all of them. And that’s how it should happen to you. The kundalini has to rise and give you Realization. Now the Christ advent came at this point. It’s a very important one because today we have brought the charts and all that but tomorrow we’ll be giving you, in a full way, how the ego and super-ego are sucked. They create a barrier here. Our ego and super-ego give us our I-ness. We get separated. When He’s awakened, this portion gets opened out and then the kundalini can rise. That’s why it is said, Christ is to be awakened within you. But it can be only done by a person with Divine authority. And such a person cannot live on your money. He cannot be a parasite. Such a person has nothing to do with money. How can you purchase such a person.? Such a person is beyond, beyond your purchase beyond your money. You cannot do anything for such a person. Such a person just gives. He just gives. He emits. It cannot take anything. It cannot receive. It cannot! You may try but doesn’t. One day I was walking a little bit, my foot was a little twisted and one of the doctors she said, “Alright Mother, I’ll try to massage it.” Yet she was relaxing that side and I was saying, “What’s happening to you?” She said, “Mother, what is this? Lots of vibrations are coming and I am just massaging yourself and I am massaging myself the way it is cooling down and soothing.” So, such a person cannot take anything from you. Now, the most important point which I would like to reach you is this: that we don’t realize how precariously we are placed otherwise, also. There are equal and opposite forces working on us. For example, a disease like cancer. I was surprised to hear in this country, there are patients one among four of cancer disease. I have told this ten years back, that cancer can only be cured through Sahaja Yoga. There’s no other way out. I have cured many cancer patients and you can also cure once you get realized. How it happens how you cure cancer all this knowledge you can have free of charge. Free of this thing. Actually, first, you must get your Realization. Without that, there is no use telling you because you come into this room; it is all dark; you are blind; you cannot see anything. What’s the use of telling you the size of the room, and color of the chairs, and color of all this? No use telling you. Best thing is to open the lights and open your eyes so that you can see for yourself. And the complete knowledge becomes your own. Then is better to talk. Otherwise supposing even though when you can’t see, I go on giving you the complete history about electricity and about everything. You’ll be bored and stiff. And it's of no use. First thing is you must get your Realization. That is the first thing. Cancer can easily be cured by Sahaja Yoga. Absolutely there is no doubt. And there cannot be another doubt that it cannot be cured by anything else. In our body, we have a particular system called as a sympathetic nervous system. How this sympathetic nervous system goes into a terrible tension when we go to extremes of any kind. Say smoking, for example. Now smoking is a very interesting thing. According to me, this America is the Visshuddi chakra is the center of this çenter. This center gets spoiled when we smoke and the smoking is the maximum here. Like the Europe is the liver and there, people drink. And they are so much in it and their lives are the worst of all in Europe. England is the heart. It (England) is lethargic. I mean the whole thing is in such a mess that I don’t know what I have to face. But I was happy to know that now the smoking is going down. But with Realization, smoking just disappears. You don’t have to work at it. Marsha herself used to smoke a lot. She told me. I was amazed. But she has given up completely. Drugs and all those things drop out just like something unnecessary because a transformation takes place. And the transmutation starts when the transmutation starts, all these things drop out. You enjoy the best of health best of your heart best of your mind and your emotions come out. The best part of it is that this is what one has to achieve the whole humanity has to achieve. But the few who are the seekers have to do it first. They have to do it first; they are the foundation. Like in every evolution, only a few fishes had to come out; then many came out. In the same way, few people have to do it. I’m happy there are a few today. Though others are disappointed, I am not. I am happy because I’ll have to work harder. If there are too many, may be difficult. As he said, it’s true that I gave Realization to six thousand people in a village in India. But they are not complicated. See, they aren’t so complicated. They don’t live with the sorrows (word?) you have here or the tensions you have or the litigations you have the problems you have. I have seen Indians who have come here to earn money. They have all gone off their heads. I mean really, they have become half crazy. The gentleman with whom I am now putting up, he told me already so many Indians have been under litigation. This happened, that happened and all kinds of tensions are building up. Here, despite all our modern vest(word?) we also have landed ourselves into terrible tensions of this machinery; this machinates and all that. The villagers in India are extremely simple people. They lead an extremely simple life. They have no complications. I won’t say that it would be so easy here as the way they have got Realization. Of course, one has to work hard. Like we had about seven people. I had all of them. It took about three hours to get Realization. So, it could be that way also. It cannot be guaranteed; it cannot be promised. It cannot be certified. It has to happen is the main point is the happening is the happening. You have to become. It has to be actualized. It is not to be believed. That’s what you should know. If you are honest, you are to prove. And, you want to have it, you’ll get it. I’ll work very hard. It’s you who has to have patience with yourself. I have all the patience and love. No doubt about it. But you all have to have patience. I told you, seven people, I was working for four years. Suppose it's not going to be that bad because with them I worked out many permutations and combinations. Now, I know all the permutations and combinations that are really harmful to people and how they are eradicated. But still, I would say I would still have to study some American complications which I do not know. Nine years back, people were simpler people here and they are all mostly have gone away or also at that time the same thing is that I could not contact and everything works on money. You see you have to give them money so they publicize you. Then they publicize you, then you get more money. Here there is no question of money, you see. You see my whole basic thing is you have to get real people so the real thing, without money. And then, you cannot have a big circus; you cannot have a big thing and it has to be started in a genuine way in a real way. They asked me that there is, there are agencies who work out all these things. I said to begin with I don’t think that this is important. We should work it out. Let’s see. There will be some people who feel attracted and come. And let’s work it out this way. Still, I would like your advice as to where we can go, when, and in a decent manner whenever we can advertise. Just now a lady told us that if you go to these shops it will be a good idea. We would like to invite people for this experience. This is your right. You are seekers and just like a bank, you have got your bank accounts and you just cash it. And these are lots of places also. And whatever mistakes are done, don’t worry about it. One of the big problems I faced in England is that they all suffer from a center or left Vishuddhi which comes out of guilt. You see, they are guilty all the time. Maybe Catholicism that makes them feel guilty, but it’s a very, very common trouble with them. They, all the time, feel guilty. Now, what are you feeling guilty for? We must suffer. Why? Why should you suffer? Christ has suffered for you. Did he leave anything for you to suffer? We would be guilty about what? Why are you guilty? I’m talking of ocean of compassion ocean of love. Now, what guilt can you have? And is a very big mistake to think that we have done little mistake here and little mistake there. God has to save this creation. It is He who has to come in compassion and has to do something about it. If He doesn’t save you, his creation is lost. You shouldn’t feel like that in a small way. It’s all very childish, I would say, like a child to feel “Oow” after this mistake. But no your Father is so great, is so full of love you have to just look at Him and He’ll work it out. You should forgive yourself; that is one of the things I would request of you. First of all, before forgiving anybody else, you must forgive yourself. That is the first thing you have to do before Realization. Of course, in one lecture, I cannot tell you much about it. This is just an introductory lecture. And we haven’t got our charts and all that because, first day, if you start seeing the charts, you (word?) mechanical and you think it’s some sort of a computer. You work it out. Actually, you are a computer, you become a Divine computer. But that’s a different system and so it’s better that we talk about it just now. And you get your Realization; work it out. We are going to be here for some time and I hope you’ll be able to follow my lectures and follow the whole thing. It’s such a tremendous thing. I must tell you about this in five hundred ( 500 ) lectures in London at least minimum. I say that every time I speak. They say, “Mother, you are speaking something now.” So, you can imagine how much knowledge there is there. But you are knowledge; you become knowledge yourself. In Australia, the newspaper people were very good to me because there was some happening. A lady was very seriously ill and she had some sort of a very serious stroke and a friend of hers was a big man at the newspapers and one of the Sahaja Yoginis there gave my photograph to her. And she did get well from that from the photograph only. So, this man started thinking about it and then they did a big publicity for me. So, it was lucky, I should say, for Australians and I was there for about one month or so three weeks. And we got thousands there now thousands. There are seven cities where we have seven centers. It has worked. I must say, Australians are very good for Realization. It was surprising because certain people got Realization and settled down and they knew it was the truth. That was the thing. You have to be intelligent enough to see what i8s the truth. Don’t allow your intelligence to cheat you. Be careful about your intelligence also, it can cheat you. But you should be really sharp about it to see what is the truth. And wise. And that is what you are going to have. Now, I would request you to ask me questions because you see you all must be having lots of questions. You have your mind and you should better ask because I don’t want, while we are giving you Realization, that you should feel that, “Oh, I didn’t ask this question to Mother,” ‘though this makes no difference whether you ask me questions or not. It is a very different thing. It is beyond your mind. You go beyond your mind. You go beyond your mind; beyond your ego; beyond your super-ego. You become something else. So if you have any questions, you can ask. Question: There are many people who come offering Realization. You come offering Realization. I would like to know something about this. In other words, you have something unique to offer, is that right? Yes, of course, I would say I don’t know how many have come here and how many have been thugs and how many have been real. But, actually, most of them have been thugs only because what they offer you I don’t know I have had people from other gurus all kinds of gurus you see. And there are one or two sitting here. All of them have been to someone or something like that. Now as I told you, the uniqueness of Sahaja Yoga is this: Sahaja means “Saha” is with; “ja” is born is born with you is your own within you. Now the uniqueness about it is this: that it is what you are seeking. That’s what you are going to get is your Spirit is that you become that is the uniqueness. It’s not that I can say there is a course of ten days you go through the course or you pay for say a jumping course or a so-called flying course or something like that. It is what you are. You become that. The uniqueness of it is that it’s a happening which is a living happening. You see, we don’t do anything that is a living work. What we do is a dead work. Like a tree died; we make chairs; we think we have achieved a lot. You see this wall is all made of dead things, isn’t it? We have just changed the form. And these forms actually try to dominate us. This chair becomes a sort of an obsession for us because we can’t sit on the ground this we have to use a chair like that. Now, anything that we do is all dead. Supposing somebody has to jump. Anybody can jump., What is there to be jumping? People pay money to jump. Can you imagine? to take off clothes? people pay money. How can that be? What is so great about it? We must understand: what do we become? What powers do we become? You see, there’s a guru. He says, “Alright, I give you some knowledge.” Now, what knowledge has he got? One gentleman came. He said, “I’ve already got knowledge.” I said, “What knowledge do you have?” For example, Warren can tell you where is your chakra catching. Where is your kundalini; where it is obstructed; how to raise it; how to bring it to us; how to take it down. Then he can cure patients. He must have cured I don’t know how many. You all can cure patients and knowing what it is. What chakra is catching what is happening what is the mental process? Everything, you know in your awareness. You become a different person is a transformation that takes place. You become master of yourself. To explain, I will tell you a very simple analogy. Say we are traveling by we are trying to learn how to drive. Now you have got an accelerator and you have got a brake. You’re working it out. You see one, then another. ( We have two centers two channels within us which I show tomorrow one for our actions.) So we start working both of these and start managing. We go to extremes this way that way and make all kinds of mistakes whatever it is but we try to balance ourselves. When do we learn the car driving? When we learn it. Once you have done that there the Master is sitting at the back. And once He sees you have balanced it, He gives you your place. You become the master of your being. This is what has to happen the breakthrough! The breakthrough has to take place. Is not just a make-believe that, “Oh, we have become like this.” I mean there are people who believe they are Self-realized. There are many like that, you see, that believe that they are that. They are not. Because they should be able to tell. They should become collectively conscious. They should be able to tell where is the kundalini; where is the problem. Now, for example, you are sitting alright, now you do not know about the gentleman next to you where is the problem? Where is his kundalini? You cannot give him Realization. But the people who are Realized souls – even the small children – can do it very small children. They will immediately say, “This is the center catching. Here the finger little children will show the same finger. For example, if you have a problem, say, in this center. Alright. All the children you put some sort of a thing to close their eyes. And ask them, “Which center is catching?” They’ll all say this. All will say the same thing. And they also know how to correct this. Little, little children know how to correct this. They are born Realized and born realized children are dynamic. And they know so many born Realized children are born these days. How will you know whether they are born Realized children? You do not know who is a false guru and who is a real guru. You don’t know anything! There’s no discrimination power. But, if you want to know also about that, you can just put the hands towards them and they can find out. Your vibrations will vanish completely. You’ll have heat coming from horrible gurus. If you see any horrible guru, you’ll find very bad vibrations coming in that all burning and some of them just stop the vibrations. You just don’t get any vibrations from them. You can make it out from everyone what sort of a person he is. For example, there are atheists who don’t believe in God. Alright. Now when they get Realization they can ask the question, “Is there God?” Tremendous vibrations. To find out relatively, we can say, take three people – one from a guru who’s horrid, one from a lunatic asylum, and one who’s a realized soul, according to us. Alright? Now you put them together. You’ll find the one who’s from the guru, maybe feeling hot very hot or may not get Realization at all maybe frozen, anything. The one from lunatic asylum may feel hot horrible but he may get well, he may get Realization. And the third person, who is the one who is a realized soul will get only a cool breeze. We have cured many people who are mentally like that many have been cured you can cure also. It is you who become that – is the point. You become that – it’s your right. You have been seeking all your lives. Actually, it is impossible to believe that there could be someone who does it just for love's sake. You can’t believe it, because it’s so money oriented – the whole thing is so money oriented that we can’t believe it. Even our parents; we think they love us for money. I mean, it has gone to that limit of absurdity. But God is love and love is there. Ånd in his love everyone should do it. It has to happen. Any other questions? Question: (A woman asks where the other public meeting will be). (Warren says he’ll make an announcement later) Shri Mataji: You see, all of us have got it and we’ll give all that to you and you’ll come along to those lectures and you will help us to bring (you see actually we do not know how to meet the seekers. That’s the main point with us. And we don’t need anything else. Like the lady offered? also. We don’t need it. We don’t need any money. We have everything. We have no problem. And no money nothing. We have got places to live in and we have no problem of any kind. What we want we have also got halls and everything and we don’t need anything. But what we want that we want seekers to come down and you have to suggest how to get them; that’s all.(Announcements of meetings) Question: ( A lady asks for Mother’s comment on somebody but asks Her not to judge.) Shri Mataji: No, I have to. I’m sorry, I have to. You see, it’s very good of you to say that I should not make comment(word?). But I have to. I’m sorry. Because you see, I can’t bear to see the way their kundalini’s have gone down. The connection has to be. You see, when Christ was criticizing them, they said the same thing to him. “Why should you criticize them? They don’t critisize you?” So He said, “The Satanic are not going to speak against the Satanic.” That’s what it is. You do not know how serious it is. When you will know, you will be amazed. You do not know how serious it is and that’s shy you are saying that. Once you find out shy I am saying this. You see, it is not easy to say anything against these people. It’s not easy. But none of them I have said about them each one of them about l0 years back openly about each one of them who they are. Nobody has even tried to even bring any suit or any lawsuit against me. And whatever is wrong, I have to say that. I’m sorry, my child. You see, this is not a thing where you can allow Satanic things to happen. We have to discriminate. You will know yourself. You cannot love a snake like that. You must know a snake is a snake and a human being is a human being. Everybody has his own values. You see, I am not here going to be angry with you for that. But I am angry with them! with all of them! Definitely. You do not you just wait and see. You yourself will be so angry. I’ll show you. Say, a girl who came from one of the thugs, she was epileptic. Her daughter was epileptic. Her husband was epileptic. She was a granddaughter of a Duke. She had lost all her money. They had sold their house. They were on the streets. Absolutely. And she is a seeker! If you are a mother, what would you say to that? You will say they are very nice people? You will go and garland them? Not one, but I’ll show you thousands of them. Here we have cases who have come. She is Hesta – sitting here. You just ask her. How much she was harmed! How she was harmed. She would have been dead! Do you think I should say they are nice people? Apart from anything else, they spoil your chances of Realization. I am not here for votes or anything. Why should I try to please them? I have to tell the truth if you don’t mind. I have to tell. Question: Oh, then I would just like to ask, what about people that are doing chakra therapy and they charge very high prices? Maybe they are not high prices and they help people and yet people don’t have that kind of money. I would like to ask you, what do you think about people who do chakra therapy and charge fees? Shri Mataji: I don’t know what sort of a (word?) make-believes. How can you have any kind of chakra therapy without Realization? It’s all make-believe. You believe all these nonsensical people. What am I to do now? Why do you believe them? You see chakra therapy, I mean I don’t know an ordinary Indian can understand. Only a saint can do it. He has to be a saint. How can he charge money? A saint will not take a pie from you. It is a simple thing, try to understand that. Question: Well, I always thought that, but this is America. Chakra therapy is a new thing, I’ve heard. (laugh) (woman keeps telling her story) Shri Mataji: I tell you that. What is it? You might get a temporary help. No doubt about it. You can get a temporary help. You see, now you are bringing into controversies so I have to tell you about it. But you don’t mind it. What happens within us, we have some stored energies in the chakras, alright? And, like acupuncture, is also is not to be done by someone who is not a realized soul. Is to be done only by realized souls. If acupuncture is done by someone who is not a realized soul I mean it’s against Zen (?). It’s against. You have to be a (word ?), I mean people don’t read about it. A Cusha (word ?) means a realized soul. If you are not a realized soul, you are not supposed to do it. Now, this one also – chakra therapy – what you can do is to work on the sympathetic nervous system. Now the sympathetic nervous system, you can pull out the little energy that you have, but you develop other problems with it. Sahaja Yoga is a thing by which you get open to the All-pervading Power all the time flowing within us. You have to open yourself to that universal being within your heart which is the Spirit. You don’t have to sort of lessen energy here and energy there and energy there. You don’t have to take that energy out. But the energy from the above comes in. Like grace, it flows. And that’s how always such things can lead to terrible problems mental problems all kinds of things. Supposing you try to treat somebody mentally then you extract the physical energy. Then the person will suffer physically. You see, this stored energy for a particular chakra, which I will explain to you everything all right? And you cannot charge for raising your kundalini because you have your kundalini intact there. You are just there. You have everything. Only thing, by my being here, your kundalini rises by itself. So you cannot pay. Do you pay the Mother Earth for sprouting a seed? They do help temporarily. They do. For example, somebody gives you a mantra. Alright, take a mantra I’ll tell you, say, they say Rama Sita. Now, there cannot be only one mantra belonging to anyone in any science of mantras. Because you people are so naive you see they say “all right, you take the name of Rama.” This cannot be done. Rama mantra is only on the right heart chakra. If you have a problem, has to be given by a realized soul because it has to be a connected one. It is a science, you know. All of them know what mantra is to be said at what point because they know how to raise the kundalini they know where it is obstructed and what mantra is to be said and which Deity is to be awakened. Notice the mantra for which particular mantra (word?) they know all that and they know all the methods. But why they may give you a mantra? Now, you may feel better really, sometimes you may feel dynamic. You feel, “Oh, I am very activated; maybe I am overactive.” And a spirit (if that name may be allowed) may come around and you may become possessed and you might become extremely active. But, then you’ll go down. Within five years, there will be a complete decline. You’ll be a recluse. You’ll be a frightened person. You’ll be a coward. You won’t be able to even there are people I’ve known who cannot even face (what do you call that ) garlic. Can you imagine afraid of a vegetable? It’s really there are people, if you snow then garlic, they are frightened. I mean, are you going to become like that? Is that freedom? Seeker: (A man had tried raising his kundalini by himself). ...And it's back for twenty years now, I have still something up in my head, here, and here and here, then here, and down here but it's, it has gone any further than that. Well, this is a sort of- Shri Mataji: You see, if you try your own self, you see trying with the kundalini- actually the sympathetic goes into activity. You have no right on the parasympathetic. Parasympathetic is the one which balances and that is the central path of Sushumna through which the kundalini has to rise. But if you try anything, what you do is always you can use sympathetic. I’ll give you an example. Supposing you are running fast, all right? Then you can raise the rate of your heart. But you cannot slow it down. It slows down by itself. That is parasympathetic activity. So you just get into sympathetic activity and by sympathetic activity, if you overdo it, then all these symptoms happen and it’s not healthful. On the contrary, chakras go into- Like, this is the left and the right sympathetic and these are the centers). They get pulled down like that and if they are pulled like this, then you are harmed. So is not an experience of Kundalini; is of the sympathetic. Seeker: This, this isn’t anything I was looking for or asking ... Things happen but I guess it's a chock... but how Kundalini went down, instead of coming up?” Shri Mataji: No, it doesn’t go down. Kundalini never goes down. It goes upward always. The thing that comes down is the grace, you see. The grace comes down, not the Kundalini. Kundalini always goes upwards. And the grace comes on your sympathetic which cools you down completely. You become absolutely relaxed with the grace. But the kundalini itself always goes up. It never comes down. But, in people, it so happens that kundalini goes through this central path. Now, if it is sort of, very much ragged or if it is extremely smooth due to the mistakes of the seekers, then it falls down. It falls down- is a different point then going like that. It falls down. Then you have to raise it again and tie it up. Again, raise it and tie it up. In many people, it has to be done but it can work out. You will get the complete knowledge, don’t you worry. Now, he has been in eighteen months, but he is a master of kundalini. He can raise your kundalini and you are just like him. You would become the same. There’s no problem at all. It will work out. Seeker: How did you get your Realization? Shri Mataji: I was born like that. I’m like this for ages ancient. I am a mystery I should say at the beginning. We should keep it as a mystery. Then you’ll discover Me. All right? Let’s have it that way. First, you discover yourself and then, discover Me. Will be a better idea, isn’t it? Because I don’t want to say something which will unnecessarily make, you know, people upset. Best is, you become something. Seeker lady: Is it true that a Realized guru has cool air?Shri Mataji: Yes.Seeker lady: Not hot one?Shri Mataji: No, hot is very dangerous. Those who give hot-Seeker lady: I've been said cool one is also dangerous.Shri Mataji: Not very cool, but you don’t get air. You might feel extremely cool if you are a low blood pressure patient. If you are a left-sided, if you are possessed, you feel absolutely cool, very cool. That’s not good. Feeling cool is different from a cool breeze; like, you feel a breeze coming. But should not be hot in any case. Hot is a very dangerous thing. If it is too hot, that means it’s not good. Seeker lady: How we should get the hot air?”Shri Mataji: Hum ?Seeker lady: Why do you get hot air?Shri Mataji: It’s a friction. It’s a friction with the Divine. You see, when the Kundalini’s rising, She should normally give you cool, cool breeze in the hands, then she rises, yes. But if there’s a friction, always friction makes it hot, you see, but it cools down. There’s no problem. In the beginning, most of you will get hot, little bit. Because, after all, you see, you know, we are all very complicated people. Our brains especially are modern brains, you see. So we have been thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. Just, we cannot stop our thinking for a minute even. But the first thing that will happen is that you enter into thoughtless awareness. That’s called as Nirvachara Samadhi in Sanskrit. Means you become, you are aware, absolutely aware. There are no thoughts. The thoughts- that's the awakening of Christ – that thing should happen to you. Once that happens, then it passes through here (Sahasrara) and you can feel the cool breeze. Many people who smoke cannot feel the breeze in the hand in the beginning, because of this chakra [Vishuddhi] being a little bit in trouble. But, then you start feeling.Masha, you feel quite all right in the hands?Masha: Yes [inaudible].Shri Mataji: She used to smoke. She is a great seeker, I must say.All right, should we have it now? Question: If we’re going to receive the Kundalini awakening, is it a process over several days? Shri Mataji: No, it is a split of a second actually; it is a split of a second. But it takes time in some people, as I said, because if there are obstructions you see. Now if you have a beautiful runway and a beautiful aircraft, then the landing and take off are very smooth. But sometimes it is a second-hand stop.Seeker: Then, you mean it may come tomorrow?Warren: No, it’s highly likely you’ll get it tonight.Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, just now. Just now. But you have to learn how to maintain it, is the point. Just now, you are going to have it. It’s spontaneous. It is just now. But only one thing is that you should know how to maintain it. Now supposing you get it and then outside you start thinking about it. Then it goes down. The vibrations will be lost. You have to be careful. It’s like a seed sprouting, you know a seed sprouting. It’s a seedling in the beginning. So you have to be careful for about seven days. If you are careful, it is settled down in about seven days. You have to be careful. We will tell you about it. Seeker: The reason I’m asking is because we’ll become messengers.Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, of course. Next time I’m not going to import people from Australia and from England. You have got to have the Americans here to do this job. We are not going to import them from all over the place. Two are coming from Switzerland. So that’s not a very good sign. I think, actually, Americans should go abroad and do it. They’ll go to India and to Indian villages and they’ll do it in the Indian villages. Very simple, all right? Question: (Unintelligible something about a headache).Shri Mataji: I tell you what’s the problem with you. You have a liver problem. You have a liver problem and that is showing. You see this is the beauty of Sahaja Yoga. Once you get Realization, you start seeing your body; feeling it. Whatever your problem, you know. You have You have a liver problem and it has to be corrected. Now, I know you have a liver problem sitting down here. And it’s very simple. Now in Sahaja Yoga, you can correct your liver in no time. Once you correct your liver, you’ll have never a headache. But, it suggests that you have that and you’d better get rid of it. You see it’s good you have a headache, now you’ll get after your liver. Otherwise, it becomes horribly bad, if you continue. I mean, a person becomes mad and still he doesn’t know that he’s gone mad. It’s like that. The disease crawls into you. But in Sahaja Yoga, immediately you know. And you are a liver patient, you know that. It has to be corrected and it’s not difficult. Most of the diseases can be cured, except for a few like I should say, cataracts or something like that where something is dead or maybe where they put an artificial limb and all that. We can’t work out all of these things. But most of the things get cured, automatically. I mean, here they say if you cure someone, you’ll get put in the prison. I mean, I don’t cure. You just get cured, you see. So I hope legally I’m all right. Christ would have been in jail here. I don’t know about the laws. But this time, I’m sure they cannot crucify me. It’s alright. Let’s work it out.

Public Program Day 1. New York (USA), 19 September 1981. It’s nice to come back to America. I know there are lots of seekers in this country; lost. They are frantically seeking, no doubt. They are genuine seekers, I have no doubt about it. I came back after 9 years; it was unfortunate because I was busy with other parts of the world and I knew I’d find them again when I came back. It is for us to know first of all that if you are seeking reality if you are seeking the truth, we have to be very honest about it; extremely honest. You have to know that unless and until you find it, you should not believe anyone., You should not accept any surface anything. People may say anything. I may tell you that you have to have your Realization. That doesn’t mean that you have to believe Me – it doesn’t mean that at all. But you should not also deny Me. Now, first of all we should know what we are seeking. There has been never on this earth such an urge to seek. So many seekers! I don’t know if you understand that a really different type of category of people – I call them men of God – are born who are seekers. And they will go on seeking until they find the truth. But one has to know what we are seeking. What are we to seek? It is said you have to become. You have to be. What do we have to be? We have to be our Spirit. Now we do not know what our Spirit is. The Spirit exists, no doubt. It watches us. We know there is a Spirit. But how to bring that Spirit into our conscious mind – into our central nervous system – is the point. And when people know that there are such demands, the market also gets filled with enterprise is very common. Americans have the worst hit because you have worse, you have money. That is the worst part of it. And that’s how all of them are different down here and they have exploited you. I’m sorry for all that. But I must tell you that you cannot pay for your Realization. It’s an insult to God. How can you pay? How can you p[ay for His love? Do you pay to a tree when it gives you fruit? You do not. Maybe a merchant might take a fruit and settle. It’s much more than that. “How can we pay for it?” Is a simple question we should ask ourselves; honestly. Then the second point is, you cannot have courses in God Realization. What university did Christ go? He was a simple man. Did he go to any university? There is no understanding for us. That God is for everyone, whether you are rich people or not. Whether you understand this language or that language, God’s language is of love and it’s for everyone… every person….for every case. It cannot be for one person or one type of people or of one category. But one category is there and they are the seekers. Seeker is a special category, but only trouble is they do not know what they are seeking. For this, we have to divert to some authentic people. For example, we should see now Christ. Christ said that you are to be born again. Last time, when I came to America, they were taping my speeches and all that in Los Angeles. And I was amazed, you see, that people objected to it; felt they should not tape. I said, “Let them tape. What does it matter?” They said, “No Mother, they will publish it.” I said, “Let them publish it. It’s a fact. They should get it. They should get their Realization. They are to be born again.” But I was amazed! Then, they write books as if that was their knowledge. I don’t mind that either. But saying that you are to be born again and they got a certificate – a sales certificate – that we are born again. How can you certify yourself you are born again? You have to be honest about it. If you are born again something special has to happen to us. Like Jung has said that you have to become – become collectively conscious. Not that I say we are all brothers and sisters and we are all one. No, you have to become that part and parcel of the whole – as you say the microcosm. You have to become this microcosm has to become that. That means in evolution, your awareness has to become something more. As an animal, you see, for example, for an animal. He doesn’t see any colors. He doesn’t see whether is filthy or good. But you do. I’m the same way, if you have to rise higher, the change has to come in your awareness. That is one thing one should know that the transformation has to take place in your awareness. And that is what one should see. Is there any transformation in awareness? For example, there is some lady who starts jumping on the seat. I’ve seen some people who come to Me. They just start jumping and they think they have got Realization. How can that be? You are not in possession of yourself. You have to be your own master. Here somebody is making you jump. Maybe you are possessed. You have not, have no authority over yourself. You do not know how to control yourself. And how do you say that you have got Realization? If you become Self-realized, you are not going to be enslaved. You are going to get over all kinds of slavery. You have to be a master. This should be the test of anything that you are seeking. What have you got, you say? Are you emitting your own powers? I may say (as he has said it, I mean, I don’t know why Warren said this because I seldom start with this kind of a thing); but if you wanted to see who said it. Now to say that I am such and such and such and such is nonsense. I may be anything. So what? What did you get is the point! Did you feel yourself any more than before? Did you get anything more than you have had before? Not that you become crazy people or recluses. That’s not the way. You are going to become, a most normal person has to be extremely normal. And above all, you have to have complete control of yourself. That is the minimum of minimums one should know. But our idea about Self-realization is so much spoiled and so many pseudo people have written, even about Kundalini. I was amazed when I found out that such big, big books are written about Kundalini saying it is in the stomach, some say it is in the nose it is here and there. It is not there! It is in the sacrum bone. You can see it yourself with your own eyes. When the Kundalini rises you can see the pulsation just like a heart not in everyone, of course. But in some people who have had an obstruction, you can see with your naked eyes. You should be able to see it – happily – and you can also feel the pulsation coming to the head. I mean so many people have said it. There are people now, I am told, who are converting people into Sikhism and this and that. And what is Sikhism? If you need, read Kabir (sp ?) who is the basis of Sikhism. He has said that you have to feel the cool breeze coming out of your head. He says (Mother quotes in another language). This means, on the head, first of all, there is the sound of Anahata, is this thumb-dub of the heart and then you feel the cool breeze coming out. Is so clearly said, but who reads those people? Those people who talk even of Hinduism and all that, do they read Adi Shankaracharya? What Adi Shankaracharya has said? He has written books after books on Kundalini; and not only, but on this Chaitanya, he has written a complete book. But people don’t read that. You get these – I don’t know – extracts and some sort of a – I don’t know how they are not afraid of God? They are not afraid – just to make some money – I don’t know. Are they going to carry this money with them? It’s very, very wrong! It’s very sinful. I don’t mind whatever they do. It’s alright if they want to be smugglers and all. There are many like that. But they spoil your Kundalini. You are damaged. And this is the thing which I am concerned about. It’s a very sad thing. Coming to America is a real [inaudible]? for me because I did send some of the people who were really realized should and they came here. They ran away within 3 days. They said they will never recognize us there is a barrier there is a barrier. They will never recognize Mother. They rushed back. They stayed in New York, one of them stayed. He ran away. He couldn’t stand it. He said, “They just want something else. They don’t want Ìod. They don’t want their Spirit.” Of course, I don’t believe that. These barriers are created to us because we read about it. We try to understand through reading. It’s good, but you must come to a right conclusion through logical, logical understanding; not rationality. Rationality is something which can take you anywhere. Rationality can give you (you can) rationalize even a murder anything! But, logically, you must understand. Where should we reach? What should happen to us? As seekers, what are we expecting? This is a very, very precarious and important time is more to say. The Last Judgement has started. That has started. That’s how you are all here and you are seeking. The way it will judge, is the Kundalini has to rise. You have to become Self-realized. Then you start feeling your centers on your fingers. Tomorrow I will give you all the information about the centers and all that and I will tell you how He will judge you. What are your centers that are catching? And then you will judge that and you will know what is the problem how to get it done how to get it alright. There is no technique for [inaudible]. Like if you sow a seed it becomes a tree. There is no technique. If you have flowers, they become a fruit. It’s a living thing. And living things don’t have any technique. But once you get connected, then you must know the Divine laws and you must know the Divine technique. But first, you must be realized. Unless and until you are put to the Mains, how can you use this machine¿ You are not yet put to the Mains. How can you do anything? It’s like telephoning somewhere without having connection. You must be connected., first of all to the Divine ( but this is not a difficult thing.). In modern times is very easy. Formerly, it was, like you can say, a tree. In the beginning, you get only one or two flowers. But the time has come. The blossom time has come. Already today, I went to see William Blake’s drawing exhibition. And he said, “All your sins and blasphemy and everything will be forgiven. All your sins will be forgiven.” He has said about these days. He said that the men of God will become prophets and they will have the power to convert and transform others into prophets. He has clearly prophesized about Sahaja Yoga. Every word he has said about it. But people don’t read Blake. If you go and see his exhibition, you’ll be surprised how in the “Pilgrim’s Progress” only he has given clearly how you face life. And there are some Sahaja Yogis here sitting down at your back here. And they have come from London and some of them from Australia. And they could see. This is how you face it. But to get Realization is the easiest thing; to maintain it rather difficult. But also that is possible. Now we have in London (you will be surprised) a hall at least one and one-half times bigger than this. And the hall was completely filled. And they rose up to sing a song of Jeruseleum which was a great experience for me to see that. But( you won’t believe) I started the work in England because my husband got elected to a post there. That’s how we were there. And in the beginning, I was working with seven people – seven hippies, I should say seven people for four years. And now of course, in the whole of England, we have many centers and lots of people have got Realization and they are working it out. It’s working out very well. We have some people here from there who have come. Dr. David is here and Hesta is a barrister. Then we have these two from Australia – Dr. Warren, who was a diplomat. And these two are American girls – both of them – ah Christine – has been with me since long and Marcia who got her Realization only two months back, but she was so upright and so straight forward. And you should know that it is you who should decide. If you say I am your Guru, alright I accept it for the time being. But a Mother is always a guru. If you say that your mother had to teach you so many things – also I have to teach you some things. But actually, it is you who is your own guru. You have to become it. Unless and until you are connected, how will you judge? Once you get connected, you will be able to check. But you don’t think it is a mental activity that is going to bring you your Realization. No, God has placed everything beautifully within us; everything. You have got your Kundalini very nicely placed in the sacrum bone. Now, see this bone. Sacrum is a triangular bone called “sacrum” so that Greeks know about this bone. They knew it was a sacred bone. Sacrum means sacred in Greek. When I went to Greece, I was surprised. They have the complete idea of kundalini; complete idea. And they have this Athena also means the Primordial Mother. In Sanskrit language, Athena – Athens comes from that and the way She was holding a serpent in her hand and everything – absolutely She is the Primordial Kundalini. And the whole concept was there and when I went into the study of that I tried to find out what it was how did they know? They said we had some Indo-Aryian groups coming down here and they told us these things and that’s how they know about it. But, that was all lost because they brought all the Gods to the level of human beings and made a lot of mess out of it. Now we have to know how Christ was such an important incarnation on this earth. We have really made a mess of the whole thing. He said that you are to be born again. Actually, he came on this center where you see this red mark. You see – it is placed in the optic chiasma. In the center is a subtle center called as Agnya chakra. In the Hindu scriptures, He is called as Mahavishnu. But I will tell about His advent when He came on this earth. We say, He is the gate; he is the door. He is the door below the limbic area. And the limbic area is the Kingdom of God. Where one has to center, the attention has to enter. How you enter into it? Not bodily, but your attention has to enter it. Your attention is spread out in this area. But not there – it has to enter through that area into the limbic area and ultimately, is the fontanel area. It becomes soft and the kundalini has to come out and with the cool breeze, this is your actual baptism. Is not the baptism you go to some theological college to learn and say alright – I baptize – it’s all artificial. It’s absolutely artificial. That’s not the way you can baptize. You have to be a realized soul to do that. John the Baptist was a realized soul. He was the one who knew how to do it. And he did it for all of them. And that’s how it should happen to you. The kundalini has to rise and give you Realization. Now the Christ advent came at this point. It’s a very important one because today we have brought the charts and all that but tomorrow we’ll be giving you, in a full way, how the ego and super-ego are sucked. They create a barrier here. Our ego and super-ego give us our I-ness. We get separated. When He’s awakened, this portion gets opened out and then the kundalini can rise. That’s why it is said, Christ is to be awakened within you. But it can be only done by a person with Divine authority. And such a person cannot live on your money. He cannot be a parasite. Such a person has nothing to do with money. How can you purchase such a person.? Such a person is beyond, beyond your purchase beyond your money. You cannot do anything for such a person. Such a person just gives. He just gives. He emits. It cannot take anything. It cannot receive. It cannot! You may try but doesn’t. One day I was walking a little bit, my foot was a little twisted and one of the doctors she said, “Alright Mother, I’ll try to massage it.” Yet she was relaxing that side and I was saying, “What’s happening to you?” She said, “Mother, what is this? Lots of vibrations are coming and I am just massaging yourself and I am massaging myself the way it is cooling down and soothing.” So, such a person cannot take anything from you. Now, the most important point which I would like to reach you is this: that we don’t realize how precariously we are placed otherwise, also. There are equal and opposite forces working on us. For example, a disease like cancer. I was surprised to hear in this country, there are patients one among four of cancer disease. I have told this ten years back, that cancer can only be cured through Sahaja Yoga. There’s no other way out. I have cured many cancer patients and you can also cure once you get realized. How it happens how you cure cancer all this knowledge you can have free of charge. Free of this thing. Actually, first, you must get your Realization. Without that, there is no use telling you because you come into this room; it is all dark; you are blind; you cannot see anything. What’s the use of telling you the size of the room, and color of the chairs, and color of all this? No use telling you. Best thing is to open the lights and open your eyes so that you can see for yourself. And the complete knowledge becomes your own. Then is better to talk. Otherwise supposing even though when you can’t see, I go on giving you the complete history about electricity and about everything. You’ll be bored and stiff. And it's of no use. First thing is you must get your Realization. That is the first thing. Cancer can easily be cured by Sahaja Yoga. Absolutely there is no doubt. And there cannot be another doubt that it cannot be cured by anything else. In our body, we have a particular system called as a sympathetic nervous system. How this sympathetic nervous system goes into a terrible tension when we go to extremes of any kind. Say smoking, for example. Now smoking is a very interesting thing. According to me, this America is the Visshuddi chakra is the center of this çenter. This center gets spoiled when we smoke and the smoking is the maximum here. Like the Europe is the liver and there, people drink. And they are so much in it and their lives are the worst of all in Europe. England is the heart. It (England) is lethargic. I mean the whole thing is in such a mess that I don’t know what I have to face. But I was happy to know that now the smoking is going down. But with Realization, smoking just disappears. You don’t have to work at it. Marsha herself used to smoke a lot. She told me. I was amazed. But she has given up completely. Drugs and all those things drop out just like something unnecessary because a transformation takes place. And the transmutation starts when the transmutation starts, all these things drop out. You enjoy the best of health best of your heart best of your mind and your emotions come out. The best part of it is that this is what one has to achieve the whole humanity has to achieve. But the few who are the seekers have to do it first. They have to do it first; they are the foundation. Like in every evolution, only a few fishes had to come out; then many came out. In the same way, few people have to do it. I’m happy there are a few today. Though others are disappointed, I am not. I am happy because I’ll have to work harder. If there are too many, may be difficult. As he said, it’s true that I gave Realization to six thousand people in a village in India. But they are not complicated. See, they aren’t so complicated. They don’t live with the sorrows (word?) you have here or the tensions you have or the litigations you have the problems you have. I have seen Indians who have come here to earn money. They have all gone off their heads. I mean really, they have become half crazy. The gentleman with whom I am now putting up, he told me already so many Indians have been under litigation. This happened, that happened and all kinds of tensions are building up. Here, despite all our modern vest(word?) we also have landed ourselves into terrible tensions of this machinery; this machinates and all that. The villagers in India are extremely simple people. They lead an extremely simple life. They have no complications. I won’t say that it would be so easy here as the way they have got Realization. Of course, one has to work hard. Like we had about seven people. I had all of them. It took about three hours to get Realization. So, it could be that way also. It cannot be guaranteed; it cannot be promised. It cannot be certified. It has to happen is the main point is the happening is the happening. You have to become. It has to be actualized. It is not to be believed. That’s what you should know. If you are honest, you are to prove. And, you want to have it, you’ll get it. I’ll work very hard. It’s you who has to have patience with yourself. I have all the patience and love. No doubt about it. But you all have to have patience. I told you, seven people, I was working for four years. Suppose it's not going to be that bad because with them I worked out many permutations and combinations. Now, I know all the permutations and combinations that are really harmful to people and how they are eradicated. But still, I would say I would still have to study some American complications which I do not know. Nine years back, people were simpler people here and they are all mostly have gone away or also at that time the same thing is that I could not contact and everything works on money. You see you have to give them money so they publicize you. Then they publicize you, then you get more money. Here there is no question of money, you see. You see my whole basic thing is you have to get real people so the real thing, without money. And then, you cannot have a big circus; you cannot have a big thing and it has to be started in a genuine way in a real way. They asked me that there is, there are agencies who work out all these things. I said to begin with I don’t think that this is important. We should work it out. Let’s see. There will be some people who feel attracted and come. And let’s work it out this way. Still, I would like your advice as to where we can go, when, and in a decent manner whenever we can advertise. Just now a lady told us that if you go to these shops it will be a good idea. We would like to invite people for this experience. This is your right. You are seekers and just like a bank, you have got your bank accounts and you just cash it. And these are lots of places also. And whatever mistakes are done, don’t worry about it. One of the big problems I faced in England is that they all suffer from a center or left Vishuddhi which comes out of guilt. You see, they are guilty all the time. Maybe Catholicism that makes them feel guilty, but it’s a very, very common trouble with them. They, all the time, feel guilty. Now, what are you feeling guilty for? We must suffer. Why? Why should you suffer? Christ has suffered for you. Did he leave anything for you to suffer? We would be guilty about what? Why are you guilty? I’m talking of ocean of compassion ocean of love. Now, what guilt can you have? And is a very big mistake to think that we have done little mistake here and little mistake there. God has to save this creation. It is He who has to come in compassion and has to do something about it. If He doesn’t save you, his creation is lost. You shouldn’t feel like that in a small way. It’s all very childish, I would say, like a child to feel “Oow” after this mistake. But no your Father is so great, is so full of love you have to just look at Him and He’ll work it out. You should forgive yourself; that is one of the things I would request of you. First of all, before forgiving anybody else, you must forgive yourself. That is the first thing you have to do before Realization. Of course, in one lecture, I cannot tell you much about it. This is just an introductory lecture. And we haven’t got our charts and all that because, first day, if you start seeing the charts, you (word?) mechanical and you think it’s some sort of a computer. You work it out. Actually, you are a computer, you become a Divine computer. But that’s a different system and so it’s better that we talk about it just now. And you get your Realization; work it out. We are going to be here for some time and I hope you’ll be able to follow my lectures and follow the whole thing. It’s such a tremendous thing. I must tell you about this in five hundred ( 500 ) lectures in London at least minimum. I say that every time I speak. They say, “Mother, you are speaking something now.” So, you can imagine how much knowledge there is there. But you are knowledge; you become knowledge yourself. In Australia, the newspaper people were very good to me because there was some happening. A lady was very seriously ill and she had some sort of a very serious stroke and a friend of hers was a big man at the newspapers and one of the Sahaja Yoginis there gave my photograph to her. And she did get well from that from the photograph only. So, this man started thinking about it and then they did a big publicity for me. So, it was lucky, I should say, for Australians and I was there for about one month or so three weeks. And we got thousands there now thousands. There are seven cities where we have seven centers. It has worked. I must say, Australians are very good for Realization. It was surprising because certain people got Realization and settled down and they knew it was the truth. That was the thing. You have to be intelligent enough to see what i8s the truth. Don’t allow your intelligence to cheat you. Be careful about your intelligence also, it can cheat you. But you should be really sharp about it to see what is the truth. And wise. And that is what you are going to have. Now, I would request you to ask me questions because you see you all must be having lots of questions. You have your mind and you should better ask because I don’t want, while we are giving you Realization, that you should feel that, “Oh, I didn’t ask this question to Mother,” ‘though this makes no difference whether you ask me questions or not. It is a very different thing. It is beyond your mind. You go beyond your mind. You go beyond your mind; beyond your ego; beyond your super-ego. You become something else. So if you have any questions, you can ask. Question: There are many people who come offering Realization. You come offering Realization. I would like to know something about this. In other words, you have something unique to offer, is that right? Yes, of course, I would say I don’t know how many have come here and how many have been thugs and how many have been real. But, actually, most of them have been thugs only because what they offer you I don’t know I have had people from other gurus all kinds of gurus you see. And there are one or two sitting here. All of them have been to someone or something like that. Now as I told you, the uniqueness of Sahaja Yoga is this: Sahaja means “Saha” is with; “ja” is born is born with you is your own within you. Now the uniqueness about it is this: that it is what you are seeking. That’s what you are going to get is your Spirit is that you become that is the uniqueness. It’s not that I can say there is a course of ten days you go through the course or you pay for say a jumping course or a so-called flying course or something like that. It is what you are. You become that. The uniqueness of it is that it’s a happening which is a living happening. You see, we don’t do anything that is a living work. What we do is a dead work. Like a tree died; we make chairs; we think we have achieved a lot. You see this wall is all made of dead things, isn’t it? We have just changed the form. And these forms actually try to dominate us. This chair becomes a sort of an obsession for us because we can’t sit on the ground this we have to use a chair like that. Now, anything that we do is all dead. Supposing somebody has to jump. Anybody can jump., What is there to be jumping? People pay money to jump. Can you imagine? to take off clothes? people pay money. How can that be? What is so great about it? We must understand: what do we become? What powers do we become? You see, there’s a guru. He says, “Alright, I give you some knowledge.” Now, what knowledge has he got? One gentleman came. He said, “I’ve already got knowledge.” I said, “What knowledge do you have?” For example, Warren can tell you where is your chakra catching. Where is your kundalini; where it is obstructed; how to raise it; how to bring it to us; how to take it down. Then he can cure patients. He must have cured I don’t know how many. You all can cure patients and knowing what it is. What chakra is catching what is happening what is the mental process? Everything, you know in your awareness. You become a different person is a transformation that takes place. You become master of yourself. To explain, I will tell you a very simple analogy. Say we are traveling by we are trying to learn how to drive. Now you have got an accelerator and you have got a brake. You’re working it out. You see one, then another. ( We have two centers two channels within us which I show tomorrow one for our actions.) So we start working both of these and start managing. We go to extremes this way that way and make all kinds of mistakes whatever it is but we try to balance ourselves. When do we learn the car driving? When we learn it. Once you have done that there the Master is sitting at the back. And once He sees you have balanced it, He gives you your place. You become the master of your being. This is what has to happen the breakthrough! The breakthrough has to take place. Is not just a make-believe that, “Oh, we have become like this.” I mean there are people who believe they are Self-realized. There are many like that, you see, that believe that they are that. They are not. Because they should be able to tell. They should become collectively conscious. They should be able to tell where is the kundalini; where is the problem. Now, for example, you are sitting alright, now you do not know about the gentleman next to you where is the problem? Where is his kundalini? You cannot give him Realization. But the people who are Realized souls – even the small children – can do it very small children. They will immediately say, “This is the center catching. Here the finger little children will show the same finger. For example, if you have a problem, say, in this center. Alright. All the children you put some sort of a thing to close their eyes. And ask them, “Which center is catching?” They’ll all say this. All will say the same thing. And they also know how to correct this. Little, little children know how to correct this. They are born Realized and born realized children are dynamic. And they know so many born Realized children are born these days. How will you know whether they are born Realized children? You do not know who is a false guru and who is a real guru. You don’t know anything! There’s no discrimination power. But, if you want to know also about that, you can just put the hands towards them and they can find out. Your vibrations will vanish completely. You’ll have heat coming from horrible gurus. If you see any horrible guru, you’ll find very bad vibrations coming in that all burning and some of them just stop the vibrations. You just don’t get any vibrations from them. You can make it out from everyone what sort of a person he is. For example, there are atheists who don’t believe in God. Alright. Now when they get Realization they can ask the question, “Is there God?” Tremendous vibrations. To find out relatively, we can say, take three people – one from a guru who’s horrid, one from a lunatic asylum, and one who’s a realized soul, according to us. Alright? Now you put them together. You’ll find the one who’s from the guru, maybe feeling hot very hot or may not get Realization at all maybe frozen, anything. The one from lunatic asylum may feel hot horrible but he may get well, he may get Realization. And the third person, who is the one who is a realized soul will get only a cool breeze. We have cured many people who are mentally like that many have been cured you can cure also. It is you who become that – is the point. You become that – it’s your right. You have been seeking all your lives. Actually, it is impossible to believe that there could be someone who does it just for love's sake. You can’t believe it, because it’s so money oriented – the whole thing is so money oriented that we can’t believe it. Even our parents; we think they love us for money. I mean, it has gone to that limit of absurdity. But God is love and love is there. Ånd in his love everyone should do it. It has to happen. Any other questions? Question: (A woman asks where the other public meeting will be). (Warren says he’ll make an announcement later) Shri Mataji: You see, all of us have got it and we’ll give all that to you and you’ll come along to those lectures and you will help us to bring (you see actually we do not know how to meet the seekers. That’s the main point with us. And we don’t need anything else. Like the lady offered? also. We don’t need it. We don’t need any money. We have everything. We have no problem. And no money nothing. We have got places to live in and we have no problem of any kind. What we want we have also got halls and everything and we don’t need anything. But what we want that we want seekers to come down and you have to suggest how to get them; that’s all.(Announcements of meetings) Question: ( A lady asks for Mother’s comment on somebody but asks Her not to judge.) Shri Mataji: No, I have to. I’m sorry, I have to. You see, it’s very good of you to say that I should not make comment(word?). But I have to. I’m sorry. Because you see, I can’t bear to see the way their kundalini’s have gone down. The connection has to be. You see, when Christ was criticizing them, they said the same thing to him. “Why should you criticize them? They don’t critisize you?” So He said, “The Satanic are not going to speak against the Satanic.” That’s what it is. You do not know how serious it is. When you will know, you will be amazed. You do not know how serious it is and that’s shy you are saying that. Once you find out shy I am saying this. You see, it is not easy to say anything against these people. It’s not easy. But none of them I have said about them each one of them about l0 years back openly about each one of them who they are. Nobody has even tried to even bring any suit or any lawsuit against me. And whatever is wrong, I have to say that. I’m sorry, my child. You see, this is not a thing where you can allow Satanic things to happen. We have to discriminate. You will know yourself. You cannot love a snake like that. You must know a snake is a snake and a human being is a human being. Everybody has his own values. You see, I am not here going to be angry with you for that. But I am angry with them! with all of them! Definitely. You do not you just wait and see. You yourself will be so angry. I’ll show you. Say, a girl who came from one of the thugs, she was epileptic. Her daughter was epileptic. Her husband was epileptic. She was a granddaughter of a Duke. She had lost all her money. They had sold their house. They were on the streets. Absolutely. And she is a seeker! If you are a mother, what would you say to that? You will say they are very nice people? You will go and garland them? Not one, but I’ll show you thousands of them. Here we have cases who have come. She is Hesta – sitting here. You just ask her. How much she was harmed! How she was harmed. She would have been dead! Do you think I should say they are nice people? Apart from anything else, they spoil your chances of Realization. I am not here for votes or anything. Why should I try to please them? I have to tell the truth if you don’t mind. I have to tell. Question: Oh, then I would just like to ask, what about people that are doing chakra therapy and they charge very high prices? Maybe they are not high prices and they help people and yet people don’t have that kind of money. I would like to ask you, what do you think about people who do chakra therapy and charge fees? Shri Mataji: I don’t know what sort of a (word?) make-believes. How can you have any kind of chakra therapy without Realization? It’s all make-believe. You believe all these nonsensical people. What am I to do now? Why do you believe them? You see chakra therapy, I mean I don’t know an ordinary Indian can understand. Only a saint can do it. He has to be a saint. How can he charge money? A saint will not take a pie from you. It is a simple thing, try to understand that. Question: Well, I always thought that, but this is America. Chakra therapy is a new thing, I’ve heard. (laugh) (woman keeps telling her story) Shri Mataji: I tell you that. What is it? You might get a temporary help. No doubt about it. You can get a temporary help. You see, now you are bringing into controversies so I have to tell you about it. But you don’t mind it. What happens within us, we have some stored energies in the chakras, alright? And, like acupuncture, is also is not to be done by someone who is not a realized soul. Is to be done only by realized souls. If acupuncture is done by someone who is not a realized soul I mean it’s against Zen (?). It’s against. You have to be a (word ?), I mean people don’t read about it. A Cusha (word ?) means a realized soul. If you are not a realized soul, you are not supposed to do it. Now, this one also – chakra therapy – what you can do is to work on the sympathetic nervous system. Now the sympathetic nervous system, you can pull out the little energy that you have, but you develop other problems with it. Sahaja Yoga is a thing by which you get open to the All-pervading Power all the time flowing within us. You have to open yourself to that universal being within your heart which is the Spirit. You don’t have to sort of lessen energy here and energy there and energy there. You don’t have to take that energy out. But the energy from the above comes in. Like grace, it flows. And that’s how always such things can lead to terrible problems mental problems all kinds of things. Supposing you try to treat somebody mentally then you extract the physical energy. Then the person will suffer physically. You see, this stored energy for a particular chakra, which I will explain to you everything all right? And you cannot charge for raising your kundalini because you have your kundalini intact there. You are just there. You have everything. Only thing, by my being here, your kundalini rises by itself. So you cannot pay. Do you pay the Mother Earth for sprouting a seed? They do help temporarily. They do. For example, somebody gives you a mantra. Alright, take a mantra I’ll tell you, say, they say Rama Sita. Now, there cannot be only one mantra belonging to anyone in any science of mantras. Because you people are so naive you see they say “all right, you take the name of Rama.” This cannot be done. Rama mantra is only on the right heart chakra. If you have a problem, has to be given by a realized soul because it has to be a connected one. It is a science, you know. All of them know what mantra is to be said at what point because they know how to raise the kundalini they know where it is obstructed and what mantra is to be said and which Deity is to be awakened. Notice the mantra for which particular mantra (word?) they know all that and they know all the methods. But why they may give you a mantra? Now, you may feel better really, sometimes you may feel dynamic. You feel, “Oh, I am very activated; maybe I am overactive.” And a spirit (if that name may be allowed) may come around and you may become possessed and you might become extremely active. But, then you’ll go down. Within five years, there will be a complete decline. You’ll be a recluse. You’ll be a frightened person. You’ll be a coward. You won’t be able to even there are people I’ve known who cannot even face (what do you call that ) garlic. Can you imagine afraid of a vegetable? It’s really there are people, if you snow then garlic, they are frightened. I mean, are you going to become like that? Is that freedom? Seeker: (A man had tried raising his kundalini by himself). ...And it's back for twenty years now, I have still something up in my head, here, and here and here, then here, and down here but it's, it has gone any further than that. Well, this is a sort of- Shri Mataji: You see, if you try your own self, you see trying with the kundalini- actually the sympathetic goes into activity. You have no right on the parasympathetic. Parasympathetic is the one which balances and that is the central path of Sushumna through which the kundalini has to rise. But if you try anything, what you do is always you can use sympathetic. I’ll give you an example. Supposing you are running fast, all right? Then you can raise the rate of your heart. But you cannot slow it down. It slows down by itself. That is parasympathetic activity. So you just get into sympathetic activity and by sympathetic activity, if you overdo it, then all these symptoms happen and it’s not healthful. On the contrary, chakras go into- Like, this is the left and the right sympathetic and these are the centers). They get pulled down like that and if they are pulled like this, then you are harmed. So is not an experience of Kundalini; is of the sympathetic. Seeker: This, this isn’t anything I was looking for or asking ... Things happen but I guess it's a chock... but how Kundalini went down, instead of coming up?” Shri Mataji: No, it doesn’t go down. Kundalini never goes down. It goes upward always. The thing that comes down is the grace, you see. The grace comes down, not the Kundalini. Kundalini always goes upwards. And the grace comes on your sympathetic which cools you down completely. You become absolutely relaxed with the grace. But the kundalini itself always goes up. It never comes down. But, in people, it so happens that kundalini goes through this central path. Now, if it is sort of, very much ragged or if it is extremely smooth due to the mistakes of the seekers, then it falls down. It falls down- is a different point then going like that. It falls down. Then you have to raise it again and tie it up. Again, raise it and tie it up. In many people, it has to be done but it can work out. You will get the complete knowledge, don’t you worry. Now, he has been in eighteen months, but he is a master of kundalini. He can raise your kundalini and you are just like him. You would become the same. There’s no problem at all. It will work out. Seeker: How did you get your Realization? Shri Mataji: I was born like that. I’m like this for ages ancient. I am a mystery I should say at the beginning. We should keep it as a mystery. Then you’ll discover Me. All right? Let’s have it that way. First, you discover yourself and then, discover Me. Will be a better idea, isn’t it? Because I don’t want to say something which will unnecessarily make, you know, people upset. Best is, you become something. Seeker lady: Is it true that a Realized guru has cool air?Shri Mataji: Yes.Seeker lady: Not hot one?Shri Mataji: No, hot is very dangerous. Those who give hot-Seeker lady: I've been said cool one is also dangerous.Shri Mataji: Not very cool, but you don’t get air. You might feel extremely cool if you are a low blood pressure patient. If you are a left-sided, if you are possessed, you feel absolutely cool, very cool. That’s not good. Feeling cool is different from a cool breeze; like, you feel a breeze coming. But should not be hot in any case. Hot is a very dangerous thing. If it is too hot, that means it’s not good. Seeker lady: How we should get the hot air?”Shri Mataji: Hum ?Seeker lady: Why do you get hot air?Shri Mataji: It’s a friction. It’s a friction with the Divine. You see, when the Kundalini’s rising, She should normally give you cool, cool breeze in the hands, then she rises, yes. But if there’s a friction, always friction makes it hot, you see, but it cools down. There’s no problem. In the beginning, most of you will get hot, little bit. Because, after all, you see, you know, we are all very complicated people. Our brains especially are modern brains, you see. So we have been thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. Just, we cannot stop our thinking for a minute even. But the first thing that will happen is that you enter into thoughtless awareness. That’s called as Nirvachara Samadhi in Sanskrit. Means you become, you are aware, absolutely aware. There are no thoughts. The thoughts- that's the awakening of Christ – that thing should happen to you. Once that happens, then it passes through here (Sahasrara) and you can feel the cool breeze. Many people who smoke cannot feel the breeze in the hand in the beginning, because of this chakra [Vishuddhi] being a little bit in trouble. But, then you start feeling.Masha, you feel quite all right in the hands?Masha: Yes [inaudible].Shri Mataji: She used to smoke. She is a great seeker, I must say.All right, should we have it now? Question: If we’re going to receive the Kundalini awakening, is it a process over several days? Shri Mataji: No, it is a split of a second actually; it is a split of a second. But it takes time in some people, as I said, because if there are obstructions you see. Now if you have a beautiful runway and a beautiful aircraft, then the landing and take off are very smooth. But sometimes it is a second-hand stop.Seeker: Then, you mean it may come tomorrow?Warren: No, it’s highly likely you’ll get it tonight.Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, just now. Just now. But you have to learn how to maintain it, is the point. Just now, you are going to have it. It’s spontaneous. It is just now. But only one thing is that you should know how to maintain it. Now supposing you get it and then outside you start thinking about it. Then it goes down. The vibrations will be lost. You have to be careful. It’s like a seed sprouting, you know a seed sprouting. It’s a seedling in the beginning. So you have to be careful for about seven days. If you are careful, it is settled down in about seven days. You have to be careful. We will tell you about it. Seeker: The reason I’m asking is because we’ll become messengers.Shri Mataji: Yes, of course, of course. Next time I’m not going to import people from Australia and from England. You have got to have the Americans here to do this job. We are not going to import them from all over the place. Two are coming from Switzerland. So that’s not a very good sign. I think, actually, Americans should go abroad and do it. They’ll go to India and to Indian villages and they’ll do it in the Indian villages. Very simple, all right? Question: (Unintelligible something about a headache).Shri Mataji: I tell you what’s the problem with you. You have a liver problem. You have a liver problem and that is showing. You see this is the beauty of Sahaja Yoga. Once you get Realization, you start seeing your body; feeling it. Whatever your problem, you know. You have You have a liver problem and it has to be corrected. Now, I know you have a liver problem sitting down here. And it’s very simple. Now in Sahaja Yoga, you can correct your liver in no time. Once you correct your liver, you’ll have never a headache. But, it suggests that you have that and you’d better get rid of it. You see it’s good you have a headache, now you’ll get after your liver. Otherwise, it becomes horribly bad, if you continue. I mean, a person becomes mad and still he doesn’t know that he’s gone mad. It’s like that. The disease crawls into you. But in Sahaja Yoga, immediately you know. And you are a liver patient, you know that. It has to be corrected and it’s not difficult. Most of the diseases can be cured, except for a few like I should say, cataracts or something like that where something is dead or maybe where they put an artificial limb and all that. We can’t work out all of these things. But most of the things get cured, automatically. I mean, here they say if you cure someone, you’ll get put in the prison. I mean, I don’t cure. You just get cured, you see. So I hope legally I’m all right. Christ would have been in jail here. I don’t know about the laws. But this time, I’m sure they cannot crucify me. It’s alright. Let’s work it out.

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Public Program Day 1. Boston, Massachusetts (USA), 20 September 1981. It’s such a joyous moment to come to Boston. We had Steve at Bristol who was representative of that category of people who are very honest seekers. And he really impressed me. He got his realization and he was lost. I didn’t know where he had gone. And when I came back from Paris, I received a very nice telegram from him saying that Boston would like to have a program. I knew there were lots of universities here and many young seekers and many people who are thinking of the beyond. It’s a new category of human beings that are born, absolutely a new category. Such a category never existed before, which is seeking. They are not satisfied with what they have. It’s not only the after effects of affluence. Some people feel because affluence came to America, as a result of that, people are sort of dissatisfied with all the material wealth, material things, and they are seeking. It is not the same. This is the time, the special time where people are to be born, this has to be done. You are not seekers of today. You are seekers of many lives. And you’ve been seeking. It’s mentioned in one of the very old Puranas, called as Nalanda Ka Purana, that Kali Yuga is the time when thousands of seekers will be born and they will get their realization. It has been announced by many, many poets also. In England we had one William Blake. I was amazed the way He described Sahaja Yoga. He said, “Men of God will be born in these special times and they will become prophets and they will have the capacity to make others prophets.” Apart from that, he has mentioned precisely where the center will be located, where I will be living first. It’s amazing, how he has prophesied all these things. We have to think very scientifically also about certain things, which cannot be answered otherwise. Why have we become human beings from the amoeba stage to this stage? Is there any purpose of our life? When Warren was telling you about Sahaja Yoga, you might be thinking, “How can that be?” It sounds very fantastic, it’s very incredible. Everybody had this feeling that he might be the greatest crook or maybe something out of the blue. I could see your expressions, that how can it be so fantastic? And it sounds really fantastic in this mad world when you see all kinds of horrid things happening around. And when you find no hope you read books of shock and things that the whole world is going to collapse and people are waiting to have a kind of a catastrophe falling upon us to end up all our problems and at that time somebody comes and tells there’s a way and a method and so fantastic. But it is not. It is not fantastic. It’s nothing special. For example, we have an equipment like a television and you tell a villager in India that this television can show you some films and can sing and can give some music. They’ll say, “How can that be? It’s just an ordinary box. There is no one inside it. You just see an ordinary glass and very ordinary bit of light outside. How can it sing? How can there be a film? How can there be a drama in it?”They can’t believe it. And you put it to the mains and the whole fantastic thing becomes reality. So firstly we have to have self-esteem and self-knowledge even rationally, that God has made us – or whatever you may call Him – has created us out of the small little amoeba. Must be some purpose. There cannot be a purposeless game that we became human beings. This first logical conclusion we should come to. Then the second should be, “Why are we human beings? Are we here just to live like animals or to do something more? Why is it that we do not know that what is our purpose? Maybe we are in transition.” Logically we need to find out that we know that we are in transition. Actually, you know in a way, in your unconscious. You have that feeling that you are not that what you should be. There is something beyond. That’s why there is seeking within us. That’s why we are seeking something beyond because you are not satisfied with our purpose. We think we haven’t got the full idea of our purpose. On one side we have all these scriptures – “You have to be born again.” “You have to become the Spirit.” “You are the Spirit.” On the other side, we have science which says, “Oh, there is nothing like Spirit, that’s all nonsense.” And we get completely torn between these two ideas: one of complete negation and one of complete assertion. Those who talk of spiritual life as Spirit and those who talk that we are spiritual beings [who] behave in the most atrocious manner. We can’t believe it. If this is Spirit, it’s better to have a satan. It comes to that point that we really get frightened of it. In Algeria the fundamentalists started asserting themselves too much. So the young people felt that this horrible [stuff] is going to happen here. Iran is going to come down here and they got such a fright with these fundamentalists that they said it is better to organize a communist organization so that at least we are saved from these horrible fundamentalists. When they tried that, one of them came to London; it happened that he came to see me. He got his realization and he was amazed. By becoming communist they had negated the existence of God, the existence of Spirit, spirituality. But then he found there is God, neither in those fanatics nor in those denials He exists. He exists within us. The Spirit is within us. But it is very difficult to believe, and to believe blindly is not going to help you at all. No use believing blindly. Those people who have blind faiths are going mad. I mean they are crazy people. They are not normal at all. They behave in such a manner that you cannot explain why they are like that. Now if evolution has to take place, if we have to find our absolute and if we have to become our purpose, we are going to be very normal people, not abnormal. We are going to be the people who will be master of our self, minimum of minimum, so that we are not enslaved by nonsense. We will become equipped with awareness which will tell us to discriminate from falsehood the Truth. As human beings we can discriminate many things. If you put a horse through a dirty lane, he has no smell power. He cannot discriminate. He just goes through without any difficulty. We can’t even enter into such a lane. Our nose can discriminate, our eyes can discriminate the color, the beauty, the whole thing. Our ears can discriminate the music which animals may not be able to discriminate to that extent. Some of them maybe a little bit, but not to this extent. So we have an awareness which can discriminate. We have achieved through our evolution an awareness and what we have to expect is that our awareness has to become something different. If the transformation has to take place it has to come in our awareness by which we find our absolute and that should help us to command ourselves. As he has told you examples of people, say, that just start jumping. Now it’s very easy, anybody can do it. If human beings can do it, it’s nothing special. If Divine has to do it we cannot do that. Like we cannot transform a flower into a fruit. We see thousands and millions and billions of these, but we are not surprised, we take them for granted. See the seed how it sprouts by itself, spontaneously because it is a living process. The living process takes place spontaneously. If it’s a living process, evolution, if it’s a living God then the happening has to be living which you cannot achieve through your mental projections, neither through your efforts. Some people stand on their heads for days together, especially in India. They cannot get to God. God has put you on your legs not to stand on your heads. We have to be more sensible about things. How can it be by standing on your heads you can go to God? They said that by standing on your heads the Kundalini will start going down due to gravity. But Kundalini goes against the gravity. Always you find the living things can grow against the gravity like a tree can grow against the gravity. So if it’s a living thing how can it be such an absurd thing that you stand on your head and you get your realization. I’ve seen people standing on their legs, with one leg around their necks and with one leg somewhere. I don’t know how they are managing and some people are feeding them food and some people say they have been like this for three years. They can be like that for three hundred years but they cannot get realization. So by putting any effort, we cannot get realization. It’s a very simple thing to understand but sometimes we do not catch the simple things as they are, because we are a bit complicated. Say, a seed, if you have to sprout, what will you do with it? You put it in the Mother’s soil. A simple thing, you do it. It’s all built in. The primule has built in the capacity to germinate and also the food for that is built inside. You don’t have to do anything about it. You just put it in the Mother’s soil and the Mother’s soil does the job. Do you stand on your heads or say some mantras or do all these nonsensical things? Never, so if it has to be a living thing then it has to be spontaneous. Within us, all these things are placed. I assure you it is there. They are all there, quite intact in all of them. There is nothing new. It’s absolutely there in the sacrum bone, is the Kundalini. You will be amazed this bone is called as sacrum even in the English language. It comes from Greek and in Greek language sacrum means sacred. So the Greek people knew that it was a sacred bone and that there was something, something that was very sacred and when I went to Greece I was amazed that they knew about the Kundalini. Athena is a word that comes from Atha, means the primordial. And she has the snake in her hands and she has the chakra. And so much was known to them and when I asked them how all this knowledge came to you and they told me this knowledge has come to them from some Indo Aryan group coming down and they told them. Whatever it is, thousands of years back. It was not after Alexander, but much before him, this Acropolis was placed and this was established that this was the sacrum bone. This knowledge was also known to English people, in a way. When I went to Stonehenge, I was amazed because it was all built in a way a Kundalini should be built. And it had tremendous vibrations, cool vibrations. You can’t make it out but once you are realized you will know. You will know which are the living places where the Mother Earth is giving you these vibrations. For example in the Bible, there is a commandment, Thou shalt not reproduce anything that is created by the Mother Earth and the sky.” Now, what is being produced by the Mother Earth? These things… In India, for example, this knowledge was known to many, because I feel that life in India has been a very easy life. You’ll be amazed, though you think that they are poor people and all that. But life is much easier. Riches give you complications and tensions and nonsense. They are simple people. It’s such a nice climate. We don’t have to wear a sweater to go out. You can live under a tree in a very simple way and you don’t need much. You can live in a forest, eat fruits and have some other things to eat and you can be really very happy there. And such people went into the search of finding out why we are on this Earth. The why of it is never answered by science. Science cannot say why there is gravity. They are honest because they don’t know. Whatever they don’t know they don’t want to say and that’s how they cannot answer the question, “Why?” These people went into themselves to find out the reason “Why are we here? What is the speciality? Why God has created us with such immense care, with such immense evolution? Why this evolution?” For example, Darwin and all these people established there was evolution. But why? What are we to get? What is our future? In psychology, Jung is the one we can claim has done something really good. And he did say that you have to become the Spirit. You have to become your unconscious. The unconscious has to become the conscious. He also said you have to become collectively conscious. You have to become! Becoming is the point. It is not lecturing or brainwashing. You have to become. As you have become a human being, you have to become that Spirit. It’s the actualization, it’s not just talking about it. I don’t know how many Jungians you have here, but for example, in England there are only twelve and they are one better than the other. The less are the better about them, because rationality can make anything out of you. You can justify any murder, anything– rationality after all. But logic is different. Logic is based on wisdom and wisdom comes by balanced life. Those who lead a balanced life develop that wisdom and understand that we have to find out why are we here? But we cannot find out. It’s the biggest problem because a light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten itself. Only an enlightened light can enlighten another light. It’s a simple thing. Say a candle is here. If we say to the candle, “Will you please get enlightened?” It won’t. You stand on your head, do what you like, but the candle won’t be enlightened unless and until an enlightened light goes near that and enlightens it. So one may think that I’m doing this, and actually I don’t do anything. You have got everything just here. I am enlightened and you get enlightenment, that’s all. There’s no obligation, nothing. Only thing, if there is anything, I am realized but I can’t enjoy it myself only. It’s like drinking alcohol at home. You can’t enjoy it, you want others to enjoy. That’s the main thing why I’m here and I know you are seekers. You are that category. You are that special thing and you have to have it. It’s a very simple relationship and we should establish ourselves. If that is the case then this happening takes place within us and it rises. It’s described very clearly in many books that are in the Sanskrit language. For example, people if they have to read about Kundalini, they do read the book written by people who have no idea of Kundalini at all. Some say it is in the stomach, some say it is in the head, some say it is in the nose. They do not know where the Kundalini is and they are contradicting themselves. They confuse you because they themselves are confused. Kundalini is in the sacrum bone which you can see clearly when it rises. It pulsates just like your heart. Not in every part. If you are a fine instrument, a fine aeroplane, then you take off just like that. In a split of a second the Kundalini rushes up. It happens, I was amazed. I always used to say that I would know when it’s the right time. Let all these seekers collect their [UNCLEAR] then I’ll go. Then I was amazed yesterday everyone got it just like that. You are a special category; you are, no doubt. You have been damaged I know. People have exploited you. It doesn’t matter. It’s all intact there and by the grace of God, you are going to be realized. You are going to get it and you are going to find that this Kundalini rises, spontaneously passes through all these centres and pierces this and you feel you have become absolutely relaxed. This centre is very important; this is the centre of Christ. It lies in the centre of the optic chiasma in the brain and controls our both sides, the pineal and pituitary. The pituitary controls the ego and pineal it controls the superego. We have these two channels within us which are subtle channels which actually give rise or manifest in the gross as our sympathetic nervous system – the left side sympathetic nervous system and the right side sympathetic nervous system. This sympathetic left side acts for our emotions, for our past and leads us to our collective subconscious. This one is the power of desire. In Sanskrit it’s called Iccha Shakti. And this one is the power of our action. We do it through two things, one is our physical body and another is our mind. In English language mind can also mean somebody is mad – we will say he is a mental case. I mean God knows how to make minds. But we should understand minds in English. One that uses too much of this rationality accumulates this ego here. The one who uses too much of this left side which is the psyche in the terminology of Freud. Though I think Freud was a half-baked soul, he was a big part of it. You cannot be with a subject only just taking one part. If you have to deal with a human being, you cannot hold up one hair and say this is it. That’s why I call him half-baked. This psyche path gives you all your conditioning and results into a superego. So you have got the ego and the superego, both developing gradually. They close down when you are about twelve years of age. They completely close down. You develop the fontanel bone area into a calcified, thick area and you become Mr X, Mr Y or Mr Z. Your “I” ness develops. So you all become individuals. Separate individuals and all these separate individuals start working with these two powers that they have got. One is the left power and one is the right power, just like you use your brake and your accelerator. Now you start learning how to drive. Sometimes you go too much on the emotional side, then you get some sort of shocks – emotional side, alright, forget it. Then they come to the right side then they start using rationality, your ambitions and all the activities of the right-hand side. All this – sometimes this side, sometimes that’s side. Then you start balancing. When this balance is established within you, then you know that you can drive now. You know how to use these two. When that happens you become a driver. But still you are not the master. When you become the master you are a realized soul. The master is in your heart, is the Spirit. He is the one who is the knower of what you do. He knows all about you, but you are not conscious of it. It doesn’t come into your consciousness, into your central nervous system. In the centre is the parasympathetic nervous system, or I would say this is called as Sushumna, the subtle channel which gives this rise to the parasympathetic if they are not controlled by the sympathetics at all. Supposing you want to increase the rate of your heart. If you run fast you can, but you cannot reduce it, that is parasympathetic. And this parasympathetic nervous system in the centre is kept for controlling these two and giving you the balance. If you overdo something your heartbeat will go up, then parasympathetic will bring it down. This is the balancing, coordinating, supplying energy in the centre. It’s the central path. Now what happens in a human being, you tell them anything – supposing you tell them that, “You have to wash the [UNCLEAR stoop].” Then a bucket full of water they’ll bring. They’ll wash it and wash it so much that the whole floor will be blown off, and still they won’t be satisfied, Their nature is to go to extremes. Because they think by going to extremes in their franticness they’ll achieve some measure. You cannot. If you go to the left, what happens and if you go to the right what happens, we can see. I’m sorry today is the only day I’m here and whatever is possible I’ll try to cover but it’s a very large subject. If you go to the left side, say, you are a romantic personality and you are absolutely emotional. What happens to you? You start using too much of your emotions and then you read, say, persons like Lord Byron or someone like that who takes out your eyes and washes them – that sort of a person. You become a poet and you become very emotional and all sorts of things happen to you. You start moving on this side. The movement on this side is very dangerous because you go to the collective subconscious. First, you think of your subconscious, “Oh, how nice was my childhood, and how was this.” Then you also sometimes go to cemeteries to live with the dead. And you enjoy their company. All that is very dangerous to go near the dead. You have nothing to do with them. It’s a fact. But in England I don’t hear if you do the same thing. In the churches, all the dead are under [UNCLEAR ]. It’s a very dangerous place. You feel you are sitting in a cemetery and the children also go there. It’s a very dangerous thing. The other day I saw a film on cancer, a very decent film. They have discovered that there are some entities who look like proteins, we call them protein 58 and 56, which attack you and when they attack you, your cancer is set in, is triggered. These entities they see, the doctors with all their honesty are there in the areas which are unknown to them, but which was built within us from the creation. So this is collective subconscious. They admitted that this attack comes to you from the left side. Going too much onto the left side you get these problems. For example, you smoke. I don’t say you don’t smoke because I don’t want people to go away. But you won’t smoke after realization. You’ll just give up, just like that. Steve did that. He used to smoke and he just gave it up next day. Because when you have found the real thing you never get bored. And why should you smoke? Only because you get bored you smoke or you are nervous. You are neither nervous nor you are bored of yourself. That’s how you give up your smoking. Anything you do like that, what happens is your attention starts flowing towards the left. This chakra, this centre here, like this and the left and the right side. When you start pulling them too much, they start separating and this centre breaks and the deities there just leave. With this disconnection, you become a person whose chakras are not connected with the mains, by which you become on your own and the cells become malignant. There is no connection with the rest of the body. Then supposing with the smoking you develop this into your nose, for example as cancer. Your nose will start increasing with no proportion, with no relationship to your body or your face. It will overpower everything else as this malignancy can grow to any extent. This is a simple thing how cancer takes place. When you move too much onto the lefthand side you get into trouble like cancer. Or else if you move too much on the left-hand side then you can become a person, I think an American [UNCLEAR person], the one who goes gaga. Is it alright if I say gaga? It means a person who becomes mad, who is schizophrenic, all these sorts of nonsense for which you have to have a psychologist all the time attached to you. Actually, what happens, the nature tries to balance you. Now you need too much of your emotions, your heart. Actually you are using your heart and you should really get a heart attack with that. But no, your brain goes out. Your brain goes out when you use your heart. Now when you use your right side too much – for example, you are a great planner and you are planning everything. Every plan goes out no doubt. It fails, otherwise you would have been much better off. You try to plan something and you find what you create is a big atom bomb. There you would try to plan something and you create another devil for whom you seek and you are frightened. You plan and plan and plan and ultimately what happens, you find, “Oh, your brain has gone out.” Now you can’t stop thinking. In Switzerland I met a doctor. He said, “Mother, [UNCLEAR slash] my throat, do what you like, but stop my thinking. I’m growing now horns from my thinking.” So this brain goes on churning – thoughts, thoughts all the time. This too much of use of this gives you a problem which is very serious, which we are not aware of. First of all this centre, this one here, is converting the fat cells in the stomach for the use of the brain. Do you know the brain is nothing but fat? It’s a very microfine – or we should say, made into better cells of fat. And they are transferred here through this centre and this centre, the second centre, also looks after your liver, looks after your pancreas, your spleen, your kidneys and also your uterus. So you neglect all of it and the first thing that happens is that the liver is out. Can you believe that because you think too much your liver is out? Now you develop two types of liver also. One could be a cold liver or a hot liver. With a hot liver, you are bilious all the time, horrible, your attention is terrible, you don’t like anything, you are very fussy, you are irritating. If there is one car that moves forward you must honk and you are all thetime an irritated and heated personality. This heat, terrible heat you can feel it in the presence of such a person and that is because Mr Liver is out. Also, you can develop diabetes. I’m told that if I cure your diabetes, I will be arrested by your government. I think Christ would have been arrested. But automatically if I cure them, they won’t arrest me. I won’t touch you but you might get [UNCLEAR stroked] of your diabetes, quite possible automatically. Not that I would touch you because diabetes is caused because of imbalance. You are using too much of this side. This side isfrozen, you get diabetes. You get sleep troubles of anemia and that. Also, you get kidney trouble and you get uterus troubles. But the worst thing that happens to us is when you pay too much attention to your body. For example, Americans especially are very conscious of their body. They have certain norms. Like you must have so much waistline and in everything they have norms. It’s madness. They try to become that. At any point, “We should be like that.” I don’t know if everybody is going to become a cinema actress in Hollywood or whatever it is. But every man and women are busy jogging, doing this, doing that. They think by doing this they are looking after their body. But the body is not so important. The body has no meaning without Spirit. Body is the temple of God. If there is no God, this body has no meaning. Paying so much attention to the body, your Spirit gets angry and when you are using too much of this, what happens is a heart attack. You have a big ego there that covers all your brain and that’s how there is a big blotch on the heart and you get a heart attack. It’s a fact. We have cured many people of heart trouble and of cancer. We have, no doubt. You can find out. If you want we can give you the names of the people. You can write to them and find out. But that’s not so important because otherwise the cancer cases will come down here and I want you to become doctors first of all. If you become doctors you can cure people also. First, you get cured yourself, then cure others. So this imbalance is built within us. With that we become sick people physically on this side and mentally on that side. These days it is hard to find somebody who doesn’t have some sort of a sickness. If nothing else you have a cold or some sort of a thing will be there. This Kundalini is the one who is the supplier of energy in the sense that She tries to [UNCLEAR connect] with the deities who are responsible for all these centers. These deities are not only for physical, mental, emotional, they are also for spiritual. For example, the one I was telling you here of the optic chiasma. Here is the deity of Jesus Christ. Now you may say, “How am I to believe?” It’s very simple. Once you have your realization you try to [UNCLEAR] and once you raise it to this height it’s just talking, at this point where you see the red mark. It has two, one this side and one that side. But actually the right side is in front and the left side is at the back. So all this comes in the front, the ego; all that comes in front, and the superego is at the back. Now here, Christ – this is the gate to this area which is the Kingdom of God. Christ came on this. This was for the advent of Christ. Now see what a mistake they have committed. Christ is to be awakened by a living Kundalini awakening. Once He is awakened He sucks these two things – one stands for your conditioning or your socalled sins and this one for your karmas. And the whole thing is sucked up. By sucking that this opens out and the Kundalini rushes up. This is a mechanism, a divine mechanism within us which was there to say that you should have your baptism, that you are to be born again. Now I have seen people who said, “We are born again.” They self-certify, absolutely. They are quite satisfied that they are born again. But how? I mean how can you say that you are certified born again? It would be like saying you are certified mad. Then how are you to make out? It can be anything. If you are born again then you have to be collectively conscious. You ask such a person, “You tell me what’s wrong with these fingers. Where is her Kundalini? What are the chakras she is catching? Do you know anything?” “No, no, that I don’t know, but I’m born again.” If you want to live in such a paradise nobody can help you. But we have to be honest with ourselves and you have to know that on this Earth we have come to seek our Spirit and that we should have it. That is your right to have it. Like a person who has put lots of money in the bank, he has to cash it, that’s all. It’s already there. I am just here, a banker, you can call me a [UNCLEAR] banker I would say, just a person [UNCLEAR] standing there receiving your checks and I have to cash them. And this is what you have to get, is your Self-realization. It’s the Self that is within you. For that people say that we should really try to purify ourselves. That’s one of the theories. We must try to get rid of our karmas and we should try to purify. Especially they use Krishna for a thing like this. Now this theory of Krishna in a simple sentence is that Krishna was the incarnation of diplomacy. He never says straight forward because He knew the stupidity of human beings and he only talked to one fellow and that was Mr Arjuna and Arjuna was a great warrior till the war started. And then when He said that you get yourself realized, you know your Self and then you go to war. This great Mr Arjuna says, “You are telling me that know myself and then you want me to go for war. I can’t understand. How can it be?” Krishna said, “No, no, it’s very good, it’s very good.” Diplomacy is always that you give an absurd condition. So the person goes on working on the absurd condition and he reaches a point where he knows he is a stupid fool. That’s the best way diplomacy works out. I don’t know if you know this fact, but that is how a diplomacy works out. So he said, “Very good. No, you do your work, you do all your karmas, everything, but put it at the lotus feet of your God, your Lord. Put it at my Lotus feet.” You cannot do it. It’s an absurd situation. As long as your Mr Ego is there you cannot do it. You may say, “Yes, yes, whatever I do, I offer to my Lord.” You cannot. It’s befooling yourself; it’s not being honest because you still have your ego intact. But after realization, you become a third person You say, “It’s going, it’s coming.” For example, if my own daughter says you must give me realization, I’ll say, “I don’t know, I’ll try. If it works, well and good, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t.” You become a third person. You say it flows, it goes. You don’t say I did it. That is the theory Krishna tried to say, that you become akarma where you do not do it. It just works. You become just a medium of that power which you see. You become a hollow personality. That’s what he said but people do believe that we are working for our Lord. You cannot work for Him. This is one of the theories that one should know. Another one is our bhakti. In a bhakti situation, people say that, “We are suffering. We are doing bhakti. We should not enjoy life, anything which we are doing is bhakti.” Why are you suffering? Christ suffered for you. Did he leave anything for you to suffer? The Jews wanted to suffer, alright suffer. They suffered. Are they still satisfied with their sufferings or they want to have some more? Because they did not want to accept Christ, they said that we must suffer. Why must we suffer? And those who never suffered always say that we are suffering. Like French? They are lazy lumps, all of them. If you go there, they told me, “Mother, never say you are a happy person.” I said, “I am. What can I do about it?” They said, “No, you should be very serious. They will never like you, they will think this lady is absolutely a nerd. She doesn’t know anything.” There is a shock coming. Already they are waiting for a calamity in ’82. They’re all talking about it. If you go there, all the ladies are sitting there drinking and having women around and they are the most miserable people making everyone miserable in their misery. So that kind of a misery we want to take up on ourselves. “Oh, we are the most miserable people.” There is no need for you to be. He has done it. He has suffered for us. With all His powers He suffered. He played that drama. You don’t have to suffer. There is no need for you to suffer. He has done it. So in bhakti yoga, “Oh, God, we are suffering. We should eat this food, we should not eat more proteins. We should not have all this.” This is all nonsense. It makes no difference to your brain whether you eat two shirts or one shirt today really. Some people have a feeling that you should become primitive, so-called, outwardly. You’ll achieve God. They have a feeling. I must tell you all that is the truth. You shouldn’t mind. Now you cannot become primitive, is also a myth, your brain is too modern. You try, you cannot become primitive. By wearing dresses like primitive people you cannot. Primitive people don’t think. Your condition is like that. The whole ego has gone up and presses this thing down like that. A primitive man only thinks like an animal. His pituitary is not developed at all. His pineal is developed. And you cannot become, because your pituitary is overdeveloped. Your pituitary is pressing more, the ego is pressing more, so all the modern people who think they can become primitive, they cannot. One must accept this situation. You can become realized souls, but not primitive. You cannot become primitive and also the idea that by becoming primitive we’ll achieve God is also wrong. He said that you do a bhakti to me and bhakti which is Ananya. Where He is not the other. See the trick of the trade? When it is this, it is not the other. Now you are a realized soul. Very clever, in the beginning only He said – He was not a businessman, so in the beginning only He said that you get into your dhyana; means into your awareness. You have to get into your awareness in the beginning only; He said so. But when Mr. Arjuna came with another argument, He had to tell him, “Alright, do your karma and leave it at the lotus feet of your God,” which you cannot do, absurd. Then bhakti, you do Ananya bhakti which is not possible. It is wrong when people say, “We are doing bhakti.” I mean there is no connection; you are telephoning without any connection. You will be spoiling your throat if you go on saying, “Oh, Ram, Oh God.” You will be spoiling your throat completely; it’s madness. To go on like this chanting and going on saying things when you are not connected with God. Actually, you do not know what you have to say when the Kundalini rises; you have to know where it stops. Now if it stops here, it’s alright. Shri Krishna is there. But if it stops here, they would say Shri Rama’s name. If it stops here, Christ is named. If it stops here, for example, at the Nabhi, it is Shri Vishnu’s name. Then where is your Mother, all these ten Primordial masters. But you must know where the Kundalini is. Without starting the car what is the use of giving those tolls, your car is not moving. You are stationary there. To whom are you paying the toll, to the thugs? The thugs have taken full advantage of these naïve, beautiful, great seekers who are innocent. They are simple people. They believe all this and nobody has explained to them that it is within you lies the Spirit. You are the Spirit. You are your own guru. You don’t need any guru. Of course, you need a mother, no doubt, but not a guru. Gurus who are real gurus are terrific people and not like thieves who just come and take money and you are enrolled. It’s a society’s fault. The only thing is you have to pay some money. If you have a lot of money you might get a higher position as a minister or something. Depends on how much money you have got and that’s how you are enrolled. It’s not possible. You cannot get a certificate. It’s a falsehood. You have to get realized yourself, first of all. You have to feel the vibrations yourself and you have to master the art, everything by yourself. And you are to be convinced that you now know what is right and what is wrong. You have to become your own master. Supposing somebody is jumping in his seat and he thinks that he’s got realization. He is sadly mistaken. In simple words, he is possessed. Because you all start jumping is because somebody is making you jump. And what is for jumping and getting paid for jumping and hopping like frogs? There is a guru who says he can teach you flying. Make him fall from this Pisa, this Leaning Tower of Pisa. Let him try, see all of them happen to be themselves, at least this much you must ask them. See their lives how they live. It has to be a holy person it has to be a real person. Can’t you see? You all are intelligent people. What has happened to your brains? How can you believe these people and why you want to fly I don’t understand. I really don’t understand. Already you are flying too much, a bit too much. All the birds are running away. Are you going to become a bird or a frog? Now you are going to evolve into a superhuman being. So on this side is the collective subconscious. On this side is the collective supra-conscious. In this area you, for example, take something like LSD You start seeing auras, you start seeing all kinds of things. I’ve seen people who have taken LSD. When they come and see me, they just see lights and all those things. That means you have gone to the future side. That’s not important; seeing is not important. To be is important. When you are inside this you don’t see the church, do you? When you are outside then only you see the church. When you become that, you don’t see things. You have to be is the point. And when you understand this, you will not say that these are these special experience of seeing. What is it? What have you got? Are you manifesting your powers by that? Now, say, Warren was saying the superlative something about me – forget it. What’s the use? Even I may be anything. If I have not given you any powers, why should you believe in me? You shouldn’t. You are to be born, isn’t it? A simple thing. It should happen to you. What’s the use if I can make something from the air and give it to you? Say people are giving now Swiss watches. Imagine, even Americans like that kind of nonsense. All this spiritual jugglery. You get out of it. You are seekers and you are seekers of Truth. You have to seek the Truth and the reality and not all these nonsensical circuses that are going on. I have plotted them – 1970, 1971, 1972, I came here in 1973. I didn’t come to Boston but I went to other places. And I’ve told openly about all of them, who they are, even their evil ways and what kind of an anti-Christ they are. They never arrested me, they never filed a suit against me, nothing. But now when you are hurt and damaged, I have to work for you and I feel at that point that these are the seekers of Truth and they’ve been misled, misused and exploited. There is another thing which I saw yesterday – It’s very common with the western people – is: Why I should not criticize anyone. Why should I not? I hundred times criticize them. I’m not afraid of them because you are seekers of Truth. You are trying to find God. They are anti-Christ. They have ruined your Kundalini. One fellow, his Kundalini was frozen yesterday. I couldn’t get it raised; I tried my level best, I couldn’t. And I criticized the man he told he was connected who looks so horrible. The fellow, I said, “You don’t see his face.” He said, “He is very beautiful.” I said, “From which angle?” If a child sees him, the child might go into a tantrum. And this fellow was so attached to that one. He said, “Mother, you should not criticize him. He is my guru.” I said, “Alright, you go ahead. What did he give you?” “Only thing, I have some problems and I get sometimes absentminded and I get epilepsy.” “Then why not go to your guru? Why have you come to me?” There are people who were rich people. There’s a girl who was the granddaughter of the Duke in England. She is lying on the street, her little child and her husband have nothing to do with her, who was of a diamond virtue. She’s epileptic; her daughter is epileptic, her little child is epileptic and her husband is epileptic. Do you mean to say I should garland these gurus who have taken all their money, put them on the street and they are treated like this? Now, by God’s grace, today she is cured, she is alright. But this is what it is. You don’t know what you’re facing. There is an equal and opposite – negative and the God’s force – is working out. Please be careful, try to understand. It’s very subtle. It hits you. If you are genuine and if you are interested really in the Spirit, you should get it and you should give it to others. I am sorry today, time was very different and I won’t be able to talk about it anymore. In this short time, whatever was possible I tried to tell you. But there are about five hundred lectures I’ve given in England. I am in England because my husband got elected to a position there. That’s how I went there. Normally I work in Indian villages – that’s the best place one can work it out, where, as he said, thousands get realization, no doubt. And in our own simple way we advertise. Actually we don’t do the American style of advertisement but whatever was possible and Steve said I must come, so I came here. I am happy to meet you and I am sure all of you should get your realization. If you have any questions, please ask. Sahaja Yogi: Any questions? Seeker: Yes, do we need to have any previous experiences in this type of yoga? Shri Mataji: Not at all. Nothing needed, even if you have had no experience, nothing needed. It’s better because most of the experiences I’ve seen are on the other way around. You find when people try to put the Kundalini – I mean those who are not authorized – they try to excite the Kundalini from the wrong side. Like they put their fingers in the plug and say that the electricity shocked me. Many people did that. I told them that the foundation [UNCLEAR] how to get shocks out of Kundalini. You will get it when you don’t know how to handle it, you will get it. “There is no experience” is the best; such a person is the best. If you have had experiences, I’ve seen people had experiences of this Kundalini. They get a complete round-their-neck blisters. They get heat, they start jumping, they start screaming, they become like donkeys or sometimes like earthworms. They just crawl up, all sorts of things. That’s not Kundalini, that’s all possessions. So it’s very good if you have had no experiences. It’s the best thing, but even if you have had, it doesn’t matter. That’s okay, it can work out. Yes, please… Seeker: I was just curious about the fingers on the head that you’ll have mentioned earlier, I know you didn’t speak about that but does that correspond to the chakras, could you speak about that? Shri Mataji: Yes, here you can see that shows the hands. This is the left side and this is the right side. In the hands there are one, two, three, four, five, six and seven chakras. Now, these are corresponding as you can see here clearly with the fingers. We have got books which show you, and in the books it’s all written down. We’ve got small books which you can read and all these corresponding things are given from which you can make out which chakra is catching, where it is catching. Even if you have children who are born realized, ten children, if you put them and if you tie their eyes and ask them, “What’s wrong with this gentleman?” For example. So they may raise one finger, means this centre. Now, this is the right side, means the person must be suffering from a cold or some sort of a problem from the right-hand side, which of course we can understand from these books. We have given it elaborately. There are sixteen subplexuses here which are controlling ear, nose, throat and all these things. It’s all clearly given. Now, this is one of the small ones. I’ve given a lecture in the Indian medical institute about this. But we have got these books here which you can buy and…How much are you going to charge them for that? Yogi: Oh, I’m not sure. Shri Mataji: You are charging for something? Yogi: Just the printing costs for the little booklets. Shri Mataji: So, these are the books here, you all can have them, right. Now we have no problem. We have only one problem, “How to reach the seeker.” Yes? Seeker: You talked about this sacrum bone in this center, injury… [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: We can put it right. If it’s an injury also, we can put it right. For example, all these problems you call… What is this they call, this? Arthritis or also they have spondylosis, spondylitis. All these problems can be cured. You can cure also once you are enlightened. [UNCLEAR] She’s got it. Any other questions? You can see the book yourself if there are any problems. Here may be the chakras are given clearly and these are all the details about the chakras. Now here, how they go out of order, what happens to them and also there are mantras, I’ve given. It’s here. It’s done, I think it’s alright. It’s done in India, I hope it works out. It gives you the basics. We have also a very big elaborate book, written by a SwissFrench called as “Advent.” But in Sahaja Yoga, we have a system in which first you should get your realization, the first stage, then you must establish your realization, second stage. First, you get your thoughtless awareness when the Kundalini passes over your Agnya. You become absolutely thoughtless first of all. Then when She crosses there, you get this cool breeze coming out of your head and then we say that you have got your realization. But still, the establishment is the most important thing. You have to establish yourself. Once you have established it then only we sell this book to you because it is too much and people read and reading itself is a headache. So, first of all, it is a simple thing like this, that if you have to know about this room and there are no lights and you are blind, so first of all, your eyes must be cured and [UNCLEAR]. Then you see this room, settle yourself down and then you can get it. No use telling you about all the electricity and everything about all the history, the invention of electricity and all the people who invented it. It’s very boring. So the best thing is, first of all, you get your realization, settle down. Once you have settled with it then only wesell that book to you. In the same way, my photographs have vibrations. These photographs also we normally give to people who have settled their realization. But it helps, even this photograph on the thing has got vibrations. This photograph has got it if you see. Have you got that photograph? Yogi: Hmm, I don’t think we’ve got enough for all. Shri Mataji: Printed? Yogi: I don’t think we have enough. Have you got the printed ones here. Okay, let’s have a look. Shri Mataji; Printed ones? Alright, okay you can take the printed ones, but the real photographs are also there which they will give you as soon as your vibrations have settled. It is between us that we should know that we have to become that. Why we don’t give it? Because it’s a little complicated. Like in the first class you are there, we move onto the second class. It’s for your good that we slowly move, but it works out. With some people, it works out in no time and with some people it takes time. So it has to be worked out. Come along, sit down. It’s written in the book, how to use the photograph also. This is just a [UNCLEAR], but we have real photographs which Steve can give you later. We’ll leave everything with him. Now Steve has a small room where he has arranged everything. He is here, come along, He is the one who has arranged all this and he is the one who has put this advertisement and all that and he is the one who has got me to Boston. Now he is the one who knows about it. And also some people can come from New York and you can come to New York, we are having some programs there. Can you leave that thing? If you want to know, he will know our programs and you can find out and he can give his telephone number, can you give them your telephone number. Sahaja Yogi: We will put up a notice with all the programs in New York so that they can all see and come. Shri Mataji: Oh but you tell the telephone number it’s the best. Sahaja Yogi – Steve: I’ll give my telephone number [unclear] Seeker: Are you ever going to California? Sahaja Yogi: Yes we are going to California. Shri Mataji: Yes I’m going to California, I’m going to Houston and to [unsure]. Seeker: I am here personally on business from California. Shri Mataji: Is it? Alright we will meet then, I will be there for [unsure] Seeker: Which City? Shri Mataji: We’ll be in Los Angeles and maybe San Francisco Seeker: I live in San Francisco Shri Mataji: San Francisco, yes, maybe, just give him your phone number. Sahaja Yogi: Would you make sure that, so that we can let you know when the meditation program will be each week. Give them to Steve your name and address and he will give you a ring or write a note to you as you go up. Shri Mataji: You people can arrange the same hall yourself. Everybody, all of you together. As far as I’m concerned I don’t need any money at all. You cannot sell it, its love. It’s love, that’s something very simple. Just this hall you can have it. It’s simple love. You can’t think of somebody who just loves for love’s sake. Sahaja Yogi: Any other questions? Seeker: Would you know when Christ is going to come down? Shri Mataji: Don’t ask for Him just now. Let’s all get well then let Him come. He is not going to tell anything, He is just going to solve it, alright? Let Him be postponed for a while, we have to save so many people. Many people are still in trouble. That time there won’t be any persuasion, no counseling, no advancing, nothing. That would be bad, just the last [UNCLEAR judgement], alright?

Public Program Day 1. Boston, Massachusetts (USA), 20 September 1981. It’s such a joyous moment to come to Boston. We had Steve at Bristol who was representative of that category of people who are very honest seekers. And he really impressed me. He got his realization and he was lost. I didn’t know where he had gone. And when I came back from Paris, I received a very nice telegram from him saying that Boston would like to have a program. I knew there were lots of universities here and many young seekers and many people who are thinking of the beyond. It’s a new category of human beings that are born, absolutely a new category. Such a category never existed before, which is seeking. They are not satisfied with what they have. It’s not only the after effects of affluence. Some people feel because affluence came to America, as a result of that, people are sort of dissatisfied with all the material wealth, material things, and they are seeking. It is not the same. This is the time, the special time where people are to be born, this has to be done. You are not seekers of today. You are seekers of many lives. And you’ve been seeking. It’s mentioned in one of the very old Puranas, called as Nalanda Ka Purana, that Kali Yuga is the time when thousands of seekers will be born and they will get their realization. It has been announced by many, many poets also. In England we had one William Blake. I was amazed the way He described Sahaja Yoga. He said, “Men of God will be born in these special times and they will become prophets and they will have the capacity to make others prophets.” Apart from that, he has mentioned precisely where the center will be located, where I will be living first. It’s amazing, how he has prophesied all these things. We have to think very scientifically also about certain things, which cannot be answered otherwise. Why have we become human beings from the amoeba stage to this stage? Is there any purpose of our life? When Warren was telling you about Sahaja Yoga, you might be thinking, “How can that be?” It sounds very fantastic, it’s very incredible. Everybody had this feeling that he might be the greatest crook or maybe something out of the blue. I could see your expressions, that how can it be so fantastic? And it sounds really fantastic in this mad world when you see all kinds of horrid things happening around. And when you find no hope you read books of shock and things that the whole world is going to collapse and people are waiting to have a kind of a catastrophe falling upon us to end up all our problems and at that time somebody comes and tells there’s a way and a method and so fantastic. But it is not. It is not fantastic. It’s nothing special. For example, we have an equipment like a television and you tell a villager in India that this television can show you some films and can sing and can give some music. They’ll say, “How can that be? It’s just an ordinary box. There is no one inside it. You just see an ordinary glass and very ordinary bit of light outside. How can it sing? How can there be a film? How can there be a drama in it?”They can’t believe it. And you put it to the mains and the whole fantastic thing becomes reality. So firstly we have to have self-esteem and self-knowledge even rationally, that God has made us – or whatever you may call Him – has created us out of the small little amoeba. Must be some purpose. There cannot be a purposeless game that we became human beings. This first logical conclusion we should come to. Then the second should be, “Why are we human beings? Are we here just to live like animals or to do something more? Why is it that we do not know that what is our purpose? Maybe we are in transition.” Logically we need to find out that we know that we are in transition. Actually, you know in a way, in your unconscious. You have that feeling that you are not that what you should be. There is something beyond. That’s why there is seeking within us. That’s why we are seeking something beyond because you are not satisfied with our purpose. We think we haven’t got the full idea of our purpose. On one side we have all these scriptures – “You have to be born again.” “You have to become the Spirit.” “You are the Spirit.” On the other side, we have science which says, “Oh, there is nothing like Spirit, that’s all nonsense.” And we get completely torn between these two ideas: one of complete negation and one of complete assertion. Those who talk of spiritual life as Spirit and those who talk that we are spiritual beings [who] behave in the most atrocious manner. We can’t believe it. If this is Spirit, it’s better to have a satan. It comes to that point that we really get frightened of it. In Algeria the fundamentalists started asserting themselves too much. So the young people felt that this horrible [stuff] is going to happen here. Iran is going to come down here and they got such a fright with these fundamentalists that they said it is better to organize a communist organization so that at least we are saved from these horrible fundamentalists. When they tried that, one of them came to London; it happened that he came to see me. He got his realization and he was amazed. By becoming communist they had negated the existence of God, the existence of Spirit, spirituality. But then he found there is God, neither in those fanatics nor in those denials He exists. He exists within us. The Spirit is within us. But it is very difficult to believe, and to believe blindly is not going to help you at all. No use believing blindly. Those people who have blind faiths are going mad. I mean they are crazy people. They are not normal at all. They behave in such a manner that you cannot explain why they are like that. Now if evolution has to take place, if we have to find our absolute and if we have to become our purpose, we are going to be very normal people, not abnormal. We are going to be the people who will be master of our self, minimum of minimum, so that we are not enslaved by nonsense. We will become equipped with awareness which will tell us to discriminate from falsehood the Truth. As human beings we can discriminate many things. If you put a horse through a dirty lane, he has no smell power. He cannot discriminate. He just goes through without any difficulty. We can’t even enter into such a lane. Our nose can discriminate, our eyes can discriminate the color, the beauty, the whole thing. Our ears can discriminate the music which animals may not be able to discriminate to that extent. Some of them maybe a little bit, but not to this extent. So we have an awareness which can discriminate. We have achieved through our evolution an awareness and what we have to expect is that our awareness has to become something different. If the transformation has to take place it has to come in our awareness by which we find our absolute and that should help us to command ourselves. As he has told you examples of people, say, that just start jumping. Now it’s very easy, anybody can do it. If human beings can do it, it’s nothing special. If Divine has to do it we cannot do that. Like we cannot transform a flower into a fruit. We see thousands and millions and billions of these, but we are not surprised, we take them for granted. See the seed how it sprouts by itself, spontaneously because it is a living process. The living process takes place spontaneously. If it’s a living process, evolution, if it’s a living God then the happening has to be living which you cannot achieve through your mental projections, neither through your efforts. Some people stand on their heads for days together, especially in India. They cannot get to God. God has put you on your legs not to stand on your heads. We have to be more sensible about things. How can it be by standing on your heads you can go to God? They said that by standing on your heads the Kundalini will start going down due to gravity. But Kundalini goes against the gravity. Always you find the living things can grow against the gravity like a tree can grow against the gravity. So if it’s a living thing how can it be such an absurd thing that you stand on your head and you get your realization. I’ve seen people standing on their legs, with one leg around their necks and with one leg somewhere. I don’t know how they are managing and some people are feeding them food and some people say they have been like this for three years. They can be like that for three hundred years but they cannot get realization. So by putting any effort, we cannot get realization. It’s a very simple thing to understand but sometimes we do not catch the simple things as they are, because we are a bit complicated. Say, a seed, if you have to sprout, what will you do with it? You put it in the Mother’s soil. A simple thing, you do it. It’s all built in. The primule has built in the capacity to germinate and also the food for that is built inside. You don’t have to do anything about it. You just put it in the Mother’s soil and the Mother’s soil does the job. Do you stand on your heads or say some mantras or do all these nonsensical things? Never, so if it has to be a living thing then it has to be spontaneous. Within us, all these things are placed. I assure you it is there. They are all there, quite intact in all of them. There is nothing new. It’s absolutely there in the sacrum bone, is the Kundalini. You will be amazed this bone is called as sacrum even in the English language. It comes from Greek and in Greek language sacrum means sacred. So the Greek people knew that it was a sacred bone and that there was something, something that was very sacred and when I went to Greece I was amazed that they knew about the Kundalini. Athena is a word that comes from Atha, means the primordial. And she has the snake in her hands and she has the chakra. And so much was known to them and when I asked them how all this knowledge came to you and they told me this knowledge has come to them from some Indo Aryan group coming down and they told them. Whatever it is, thousands of years back. It was not after Alexander, but much before him, this Acropolis was placed and this was established that this was the sacrum bone. This knowledge was also known to English people, in a way. When I went to Stonehenge, I was amazed because it was all built in a way a Kundalini should be built. And it had tremendous vibrations, cool vibrations. You can’t make it out but once you are realized you will know. You will know which are the living places where the Mother Earth is giving you these vibrations. For example in the Bible, there is a commandment, Thou shalt not reproduce anything that is created by the Mother Earth and the sky.” Now, what is being produced by the Mother Earth? These things… In India, for example, this knowledge was known to many, because I feel that life in India has been a very easy life. You’ll be amazed, though you think that they are poor people and all that. But life is much easier. Riches give you complications and tensions and nonsense. They are simple people. It’s such a nice climate. We don’t have to wear a sweater to go out. You can live under a tree in a very simple way and you don’t need much. You can live in a forest, eat fruits and have some other things to eat and you can be really very happy there. And such people went into the search of finding out why we are on this Earth. The why of it is never answered by science. Science cannot say why there is gravity. They are honest because they don’t know. Whatever they don’t know they don’t want to say and that’s how they cannot answer the question, “Why?” These people went into themselves to find out the reason “Why are we here? What is the speciality? Why God has created us with such immense care, with such immense evolution? Why this evolution?” For example, Darwin and all these people established there was evolution. But why? What are we to get? What is our future? In psychology, Jung is the one we can claim has done something really good. And he did say that you have to become the Spirit. You have to become your unconscious. The unconscious has to become the conscious. He also said you have to become collectively conscious. You have to become! Becoming is the point. It is not lecturing or brainwashing. You have to become. As you have become a human being, you have to become that Spirit. It’s the actualization, it’s not just talking about it. I don’t know how many Jungians you have here, but for example, in England there are only twelve and they are one better than the other. The less are the better about them, because rationality can make anything out of you. You can justify any murder, anything– rationality after all. But logic is different. Logic is based on wisdom and wisdom comes by balanced life. Those who lead a balanced life develop that wisdom and understand that we have to find out why are we here? But we cannot find out. It’s the biggest problem because a light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten itself. Only an enlightened light can enlighten another light. It’s a simple thing. Say a candle is here. If we say to the candle, “Will you please get enlightened?” It won’t. You stand on your head, do what you like, but the candle won’t be enlightened unless and until an enlightened light goes near that and enlightens it. So one may think that I’m doing this, and actually I don’t do anything. You have got everything just here. I am enlightened and you get enlightenment, that’s all. There’s no obligation, nothing. Only thing, if there is anything, I am realized but I can’t enjoy it myself only. It’s like drinking alcohol at home. You can’t enjoy it, you want others to enjoy. That’s the main thing why I’m here and I know you are seekers. You are that category. You are that special thing and you have to have it. It’s a very simple relationship and we should establish ourselves. If that is the case then this happening takes place within us and it rises. It’s described very clearly in many books that are in the Sanskrit language. For example, people if they have to read about Kundalini, they do read the book written by people who have no idea of Kundalini at all. Some say it is in the stomach, some say it is in the head, some say it is in the nose. They do not know where the Kundalini is and they are contradicting themselves. They confuse you because they themselves are confused. Kundalini is in the sacrum bone which you can see clearly when it rises. It pulsates just like your heart. Not in every part. If you are a fine instrument, a fine aeroplane, then you take off just like that. In a split of a second the Kundalini rushes up. It happens, I was amazed. I always used to say that I would know when it’s the right time. Let all these seekers collect their [UNCLEAR] then I’ll go. Then I was amazed yesterday everyone got it just like that. You are a special category; you are, no doubt. You have been damaged I know. People have exploited you. It doesn’t matter. It’s all intact there and by the grace of God, you are going to be realized. You are going to get it and you are going to find that this Kundalini rises, spontaneously passes through all these centres and pierces this and you feel you have become absolutely relaxed. This centre is very important; this is the centre of Christ. It lies in the centre of the optic chiasma in the brain and controls our both sides, the pineal and pituitary. The pituitary controls the ego and pineal it controls the superego. We have these two channels within us which are subtle channels which actually give rise or manifest in the gross as our sympathetic nervous system – the left side sympathetic nervous system and the right side sympathetic nervous system. This sympathetic left side acts for our emotions, for our past and leads us to our collective subconscious. This one is the power of desire. In Sanskrit it’s called Iccha Shakti. And this one is the power of our action. We do it through two things, one is our physical body and another is our mind. In English language mind can also mean somebody is mad – we will say he is a mental case. I mean God knows how to make minds. But we should understand minds in English. One that uses too much of this rationality accumulates this ego here. The one who uses too much of this left side which is the psyche in the terminology of Freud. Though I think Freud was a half-baked soul, he was a big part of it. You cannot be with a subject only just taking one part. If you have to deal with a human being, you cannot hold up one hair and say this is it. That’s why I call him half-baked. This psyche path gives you all your conditioning and results into a superego. So you have got the ego and the superego, both developing gradually. They close down when you are about twelve years of age. They completely close down. You develop the fontanel bone area into a calcified, thick area and you become Mr X, Mr Y or Mr Z. Your “I” ness develops. So you all become individuals. Separate individuals and all these separate individuals start working with these two powers that they have got. One is the left power and one is the right power, just like you use your brake and your accelerator. Now you start learning how to drive. Sometimes you go too much on the emotional side, then you get some sort of shocks – emotional side, alright, forget it. Then they come to the right side then they start using rationality, your ambitions and all the activities of the right-hand side. All this – sometimes this side, sometimes that’s side. Then you start balancing. When this balance is established within you, then you know that you can drive now. You know how to use these two. When that happens you become a driver. But still you are not the master. When you become the master you are a realized soul. The master is in your heart, is the Spirit. He is the one who is the knower of what you do. He knows all about you, but you are not conscious of it. It doesn’t come into your consciousness, into your central nervous system. In the centre is the parasympathetic nervous system, or I would say this is called as Sushumna, the subtle channel which gives this rise to the parasympathetic if they are not controlled by the sympathetics at all. Supposing you want to increase the rate of your heart. If you run fast you can, but you cannot reduce it, that is parasympathetic. And this parasympathetic nervous system in the centre is kept for controlling these two and giving you the balance. If you overdo something your heartbeat will go up, then parasympathetic will bring it down. This is the balancing, coordinating, supplying energy in the centre. It’s the central path. Now what happens in a human being, you tell them anything – supposing you tell them that, “You have to wash the [UNCLEAR stoop].” Then a bucket full of water they’ll bring. They’ll wash it and wash it so much that the whole floor will be blown off, and still they won’t be satisfied, Their nature is to go to extremes. Because they think by going to extremes in their franticness they’ll achieve some measure. You cannot. If you go to the left, what happens and if you go to the right what happens, we can see. I’m sorry today is the only day I’m here and whatever is possible I’ll try to cover but it’s a very large subject. If you go to the left side, say, you are a romantic personality and you are absolutely emotional. What happens to you? You start using too much of your emotions and then you read, say, persons like Lord Byron or someone like that who takes out your eyes and washes them – that sort of a person. You become a poet and you become very emotional and all sorts of things happen to you. You start moving on this side. The movement on this side is very dangerous because you go to the collective subconscious. First, you think of your subconscious, “Oh, how nice was my childhood, and how was this.” Then you also sometimes go to cemeteries to live with the dead. And you enjoy their company. All that is very dangerous to go near the dead. You have nothing to do with them. It’s a fact. But in England I don’t hear if you do the same thing. In the churches, all the dead are under [UNCLEAR ]. It’s a very dangerous place. You feel you are sitting in a cemetery and the children also go there. It’s a very dangerous thing. The other day I saw a film on cancer, a very decent film. They have discovered that there are some entities who look like proteins, we call them protein 58 and 56, which attack you and when they attack you, your cancer is set in, is triggered. These entities they see, the doctors with all their honesty are there in the areas which are unknown to them, but which was built within us from the creation. So this is collective subconscious. They admitted that this attack comes to you from the left side. Going too much onto the left side you get these problems. For example, you smoke. I don’t say you don’t smoke because I don’t want people to go away. But you won’t smoke after realization. You’ll just give up, just like that. Steve did that. He used to smoke and he just gave it up next day. Because when you have found the real thing you never get bored. And why should you smoke? Only because you get bored you smoke or you are nervous. You are neither nervous nor you are bored of yourself. That’s how you give up your smoking. Anything you do like that, what happens is your attention starts flowing towards the left. This chakra, this centre here, like this and the left and the right side. When you start pulling them too much, they start separating and this centre breaks and the deities there just leave. With this disconnection, you become a person whose chakras are not connected with the mains, by which you become on your own and the cells become malignant. There is no connection with the rest of the body. Then supposing with the smoking you develop this into your nose, for example as cancer. Your nose will start increasing with no proportion, with no relationship to your body or your face. It will overpower everything else as this malignancy can grow to any extent. This is a simple thing how cancer takes place. When you move too much onto the lefthand side you get into trouble like cancer. Or else if you move too much on the left-hand side then you can become a person, I think an American [UNCLEAR person], the one who goes gaga. Is it alright if I say gaga? It means a person who becomes mad, who is schizophrenic, all these sorts of nonsense for which you have to have a psychologist all the time attached to you. Actually, what happens, the nature tries to balance you. Now you need too much of your emotions, your heart. Actually you are using your heart and you should really get a heart attack with that. But no, your brain goes out. Your brain goes out when you use your heart. Now when you use your right side too much – for example, you are a great planner and you are planning everything. Every plan goes out no doubt. It fails, otherwise you would have been much better off. You try to plan something and you find what you create is a big atom bomb. There you would try to plan something and you create another devil for whom you seek and you are frightened. You plan and plan and plan and ultimately what happens, you find, “Oh, your brain has gone out.” Now you can’t stop thinking. In Switzerland I met a doctor. He said, “Mother, [UNCLEAR slash] my throat, do what you like, but stop my thinking. I’m growing now horns from my thinking.” So this brain goes on churning – thoughts, thoughts all the time. This too much of use of this gives you a problem which is very serious, which we are not aware of. First of all this centre, this one here, is converting the fat cells in the stomach for the use of the brain. Do you know the brain is nothing but fat? It’s a very microfine – or we should say, made into better cells of fat. And they are transferred here through this centre and this centre, the second centre, also looks after your liver, looks after your pancreas, your spleen, your kidneys and also your uterus. So you neglect all of it and the first thing that happens is that the liver is out. Can you believe that because you think too much your liver is out? Now you develop two types of liver also. One could be a cold liver or a hot liver. With a hot liver, you are bilious all the time, horrible, your attention is terrible, you don’t like anything, you are very fussy, you are irritating. If there is one car that moves forward you must honk and you are all thetime an irritated and heated personality. This heat, terrible heat you can feel it in the presence of such a person and that is because Mr Liver is out. Also, you can develop diabetes. I’m told that if I cure your diabetes, I will be arrested by your government. I think Christ would have been arrested. But automatically if I cure them, they won’t arrest me. I won’t touch you but you might get [UNCLEAR stroked] of your diabetes, quite possible automatically. Not that I would touch you because diabetes is caused because of imbalance. You are using too much of this side. This side isfrozen, you get diabetes. You get sleep troubles of anemia and that. Also, you get kidney trouble and you get uterus troubles. But the worst thing that happens to us is when you pay too much attention to your body. For example, Americans especially are very conscious of their body. They have certain norms. Like you must have so much waistline and in everything they have norms. It’s madness. They try to become that. At any point, “We should be like that.” I don’t know if everybody is going to become a cinema actress in Hollywood or whatever it is. But every man and women are busy jogging, doing this, doing that. They think by doing this they are looking after their body. But the body is not so important. The body has no meaning without Spirit. Body is the temple of God. If there is no God, this body has no meaning. Paying so much attention to the body, your Spirit gets angry and when you are using too much of this, what happens is a heart attack. You have a big ego there that covers all your brain and that’s how there is a big blotch on the heart and you get a heart attack. It’s a fact. We have cured many people of heart trouble and of cancer. We have, no doubt. You can find out. If you want we can give you the names of the people. You can write to them and find out. But that’s not so important because otherwise the cancer cases will come down here and I want you to become doctors first of all. If you become doctors you can cure people also. First, you get cured yourself, then cure others. So this imbalance is built within us. With that we become sick people physically on this side and mentally on that side. These days it is hard to find somebody who doesn’t have some sort of a sickness. If nothing else you have a cold or some sort of a thing will be there. This Kundalini is the one who is the supplier of energy in the sense that She tries to [UNCLEAR connect] with the deities who are responsible for all these centers. These deities are not only for physical, mental, emotional, they are also for spiritual. For example, the one I was telling you here of the optic chiasma. Here is the deity of Jesus Christ. Now you may say, “How am I to believe?” It’s very simple. Once you have your realization you try to [UNCLEAR] and once you raise it to this height it’s just talking, at this point where you see the red mark. It has two, one this side and one that side. But actually the right side is in front and the left side is at the back. So all this comes in the front, the ego; all that comes in front, and the superego is at the back. Now here, Christ – this is the gate to this area which is the Kingdom of God. Christ came on this. This was for the advent of Christ. Now see what a mistake they have committed. Christ is to be awakened by a living Kundalini awakening. Once He is awakened He sucks these two things – one stands for your conditioning or your socalled sins and this one for your karmas. And the whole thing is sucked up. By sucking that this opens out and the Kundalini rushes up. This is a mechanism, a divine mechanism within us which was there to say that you should have your baptism, that you are to be born again. Now I have seen people who said, “We are born again.” They self-certify, absolutely. They are quite satisfied that they are born again. But how? I mean how can you say that you are certified born again? It would be like saying you are certified mad. Then how are you to make out? It can be anything. If you are born again then you have to be collectively conscious. You ask such a person, “You tell me what’s wrong with these fingers. Where is her Kundalini? What are the chakras she is catching? Do you know anything?” “No, no, that I don’t know, but I’m born again.” If you want to live in such a paradise nobody can help you. But we have to be honest with ourselves and you have to know that on this Earth we have come to seek our Spirit and that we should have it. That is your right to have it. Like a person who has put lots of money in the bank, he has to cash it, that’s all. It’s already there. I am just here, a banker, you can call me a [UNCLEAR] banker I would say, just a person [UNCLEAR] standing there receiving your checks and I have to cash them. And this is what you have to get, is your Self-realization. It’s the Self that is within you. For that people say that we should really try to purify ourselves. That’s one of the theories. We must try to get rid of our karmas and we should try to purify. Especially they use Krishna for a thing like this. Now this theory of Krishna in a simple sentence is that Krishna was the incarnation of diplomacy. He never says straight forward because He knew the stupidity of human beings and he only talked to one fellow and that was Mr Arjuna and Arjuna was a great warrior till the war started. And then when He said that you get yourself realized, you know your Self and then you go to war. This great Mr Arjuna says, “You are telling me that know myself and then you want me to go for war. I can’t understand. How can it be?” Krishna said, “No, no, it’s very good, it’s very good.” Diplomacy is always that you give an absurd condition. So the person goes on working on the absurd condition and he reaches a point where he knows he is a stupid fool. That’s the best way diplomacy works out. I don’t know if you know this fact, but that is how a diplomacy works out. So he said, “Very good. No, you do your work, you do all your karmas, everything, but put it at the lotus feet of your God, your Lord. Put it at my Lotus feet.” You cannot do it. It’s an absurd situation. As long as your Mr Ego is there you cannot do it. You may say, “Yes, yes, whatever I do, I offer to my Lord.” You cannot. It’s befooling yourself; it’s not being honest because you still have your ego intact. But after realization, you become a third person You say, “It’s going, it’s coming.” For example, if my own daughter says you must give me realization, I’ll say, “I don’t know, I’ll try. If it works, well and good, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t.” You become a third person. You say it flows, it goes. You don’t say I did it. That is the theory Krishna tried to say, that you become akarma where you do not do it. It just works. You become just a medium of that power which you see. You become a hollow personality. That’s what he said but people do believe that we are working for our Lord. You cannot work for Him. This is one of the theories that one should know. Another one is our bhakti. In a bhakti situation, people say that, “We are suffering. We are doing bhakti. We should not enjoy life, anything which we are doing is bhakti.” Why are you suffering? Christ suffered for you. Did he leave anything for you to suffer? The Jews wanted to suffer, alright suffer. They suffered. Are they still satisfied with their sufferings or they want to have some more? Because they did not want to accept Christ, they said that we must suffer. Why must we suffer? And those who never suffered always say that we are suffering. Like French? They are lazy lumps, all of them. If you go there, they told me, “Mother, never say you are a happy person.” I said, “I am. What can I do about it?” They said, “No, you should be very serious. They will never like you, they will think this lady is absolutely a nerd. She doesn’t know anything.” There is a shock coming. Already they are waiting for a calamity in ’82. They’re all talking about it. If you go there, all the ladies are sitting there drinking and having women around and they are the most miserable people making everyone miserable in their misery. So that kind of a misery we want to take up on ourselves. “Oh, we are the most miserable people.” There is no need for you to be. He has done it. He has suffered for us. With all His powers He suffered. He played that drama. You don’t have to suffer. There is no need for you to suffer. He has done it. So in bhakti yoga, “Oh, God, we are suffering. We should eat this food, we should not eat more proteins. We should not have all this.” This is all nonsense. It makes no difference to your brain whether you eat two shirts or one shirt today really. Some people have a feeling that you should become primitive, so-called, outwardly. You’ll achieve God. They have a feeling. I must tell you all that is the truth. You shouldn’t mind. Now you cannot become primitive, is also a myth, your brain is too modern. You try, you cannot become primitive. By wearing dresses like primitive people you cannot. Primitive people don’t think. Your condition is like that. The whole ego has gone up and presses this thing down like that. A primitive man only thinks like an animal. His pituitary is not developed at all. His pineal is developed. And you cannot become, because your pituitary is overdeveloped. Your pituitary is pressing more, the ego is pressing more, so all the modern people who think they can become primitive, they cannot. One must accept this situation. You can become realized souls, but not primitive. You cannot become primitive and also the idea that by becoming primitive we’ll achieve God is also wrong. He said that you do a bhakti to me and bhakti which is Ananya. Where He is not the other. See the trick of the trade? When it is this, it is not the other. Now you are a realized soul. Very clever, in the beginning only He said – He was not a businessman, so in the beginning only He said that you get into your dhyana; means into your awareness. You have to get into your awareness in the beginning only; He said so. But when Mr. Arjuna came with another argument, He had to tell him, “Alright, do your karma and leave it at the lotus feet of your God,” which you cannot do, absurd. Then bhakti, you do Ananya bhakti which is not possible. It is wrong when people say, “We are doing bhakti.” I mean there is no connection; you are telephoning without any connection. You will be spoiling your throat if you go on saying, “Oh, Ram, Oh God.” You will be spoiling your throat completely; it’s madness. To go on like this chanting and going on saying things when you are not connected with God. Actually, you do not know what you have to say when the Kundalini rises; you have to know where it stops. Now if it stops here, it’s alright. Shri Krishna is there. But if it stops here, they would say Shri Rama’s name. If it stops here, Christ is named. If it stops here, for example, at the Nabhi, it is Shri Vishnu’s name. Then where is your Mother, all these ten Primordial masters. But you must know where the Kundalini is. Without starting the car what is the use of giving those tolls, your car is not moving. You are stationary there. To whom are you paying the toll, to the thugs? The thugs have taken full advantage of these naïve, beautiful, great seekers who are innocent. They are simple people. They believe all this and nobody has explained to them that it is within you lies the Spirit. You are the Spirit. You are your own guru. You don’t need any guru. Of course, you need a mother, no doubt, but not a guru. Gurus who are real gurus are terrific people and not like thieves who just come and take money and you are enrolled. It’s a society’s fault. The only thing is you have to pay some money. If you have a lot of money you might get a higher position as a minister or something. Depends on how much money you have got and that’s how you are enrolled. It’s not possible. You cannot get a certificate. It’s a falsehood. You have to get realized yourself, first of all. You have to feel the vibrations yourself and you have to master the art, everything by yourself. And you are to be convinced that you now know what is right and what is wrong. You have to become your own master. Supposing somebody is jumping in his seat and he thinks that he’s got realization. He is sadly mistaken. In simple words, he is possessed. Because you all start jumping is because somebody is making you jump. And what is for jumping and getting paid for jumping and hopping like frogs? There is a guru who says he can teach you flying. Make him fall from this Pisa, this Leaning Tower of Pisa. Let him try, see all of them happen to be themselves, at least this much you must ask them. See their lives how they live. It has to be a holy person it has to be a real person. Can’t you see? You all are intelligent people. What has happened to your brains? How can you believe these people and why you want to fly I don’t understand. I really don’t understand. Already you are flying too much, a bit too much. All the birds are running away. Are you going to become a bird or a frog? Now you are going to evolve into a superhuman being. So on this side is the collective subconscious. On this side is the collective supra-conscious. In this area you, for example, take something like LSD You start seeing auras, you start seeing all kinds of things. I’ve seen people who have taken LSD. When they come and see me, they just see lights and all those things. That means you have gone to the future side. That’s not important; seeing is not important. To be is important. When you are inside this you don’t see the church, do you? When you are outside then only you see the church. When you become that, you don’t see things. You have to be is the point. And when you understand this, you will not say that these are these special experience of seeing. What is it? What have you got? Are you manifesting your powers by that? Now, say, Warren was saying the superlative something about me – forget it. What’s the use? Even I may be anything. If I have not given you any powers, why should you believe in me? You shouldn’t. You are to be born, isn’t it? A simple thing. It should happen to you. What’s the use if I can make something from the air and give it to you? Say people are giving now Swiss watches. Imagine, even Americans like that kind of nonsense. All this spiritual jugglery. You get out of it. You are seekers and you are seekers of Truth. You have to seek the Truth and the reality and not all these nonsensical circuses that are going on. I have plotted them – 1970, 1971, 1972, I came here in 1973. I didn’t come to Boston but I went to other places. And I’ve told openly about all of them, who they are, even their evil ways and what kind of an anti-Christ they are. They never arrested me, they never filed a suit against me, nothing. But now when you are hurt and damaged, I have to work for you and I feel at that point that these are the seekers of Truth and they’ve been misled, misused and exploited. There is another thing which I saw yesterday – It’s very common with the western people – is: Why I should not criticize anyone. Why should I not? I hundred times criticize them. I’m not afraid of them because you are seekers of Truth. You are trying to find God. They are anti-Christ. They have ruined your Kundalini. One fellow, his Kundalini was frozen yesterday. I couldn’t get it raised; I tried my level best, I couldn’t. And I criticized the man he told he was connected who looks so horrible. The fellow, I said, “You don’t see his face.” He said, “He is very beautiful.” I said, “From which angle?” If a child sees him, the child might go into a tantrum. And this fellow was so attached to that one. He said, “Mother, you should not criticize him. He is my guru.” I said, “Alright, you go ahead. What did he give you?” “Only thing, I have some problems and I get sometimes absentminded and I get epilepsy.” “Then why not go to your guru? Why have you come to me?” There are people who were rich people. There’s a girl who was the granddaughter of the Duke in England. She is lying on the street, her little child and her husband have nothing to do with her, who was of a diamond virtue. She’s epileptic; her daughter is epileptic, her little child is epileptic and her husband is epileptic. Do you mean to say I should garland these gurus who have taken all their money, put them on the street and they are treated like this? Now, by God’s grace, today she is cured, she is alright. But this is what it is. You don’t know what you’re facing. There is an equal and opposite – negative and the God’s force – is working out. Please be careful, try to understand. It’s very subtle. It hits you. If you are genuine and if you are interested really in the Spirit, you should get it and you should give it to others. I am sorry today, time was very different and I won’t be able to talk about it anymore. In this short time, whatever was possible I tried to tell you. But there are about five hundred lectures I’ve given in England. I am in England because my husband got elected to a position there. That’s how I went there. Normally I work in Indian villages – that’s the best place one can work it out, where, as he said, thousands get realization, no doubt. And in our own simple way we advertise. Actually we don’t do the American style of advertisement but whatever was possible and Steve said I must come, so I came here. I am happy to meet you and I am sure all of you should get your realization. If you have any questions, please ask. Sahaja Yogi: Any questions? Seeker: Yes, do we need to have any previous experiences in this type of yoga? Shri Mataji: Not at all. Nothing needed, even if you have had no experience, nothing needed. It’s better because most of the experiences I’ve seen are on the other way around. You find when people try to put the Kundalini – I mean those who are not authorized – they try to excite the Kundalini from the wrong side. Like they put their fingers in the plug and say that the electricity shocked me. Many people did that. I told them that the foundation [UNCLEAR] how to get shocks out of Kundalini. You will get it when you don’t know how to handle it, you will get it. “There is no experience” is the best; such a person is the best. If you have had experiences, I’ve seen people had experiences of this Kundalini. They get a complete round-their-neck blisters. They get heat, they start jumping, they start screaming, they become like donkeys or sometimes like earthworms. They just crawl up, all sorts of things. That’s not Kundalini, that’s all possessions. So it’s very good if you have had no experiences. It’s the best thing, but even if you have had, it doesn’t matter. That’s okay, it can work out. Yes, please… Seeker: I was just curious about the fingers on the head that you’ll have mentioned earlier, I know you didn’t speak about that but does that correspond to the chakras, could you speak about that? Shri Mataji: Yes, here you can see that shows the hands. This is the left side and this is the right side. In the hands there are one, two, three, four, five, six and seven chakras. Now, these are corresponding as you can see here clearly with the fingers. We have got books which show you, and in the books it’s all written down. We’ve got small books which you can read and all these corresponding things are given from which you can make out which chakra is catching, where it is catching. Even if you have children who are born realized, ten children, if you put them and if you tie their eyes and ask them, “What’s wrong with this gentleman?” For example. So they may raise one finger, means this centre. Now, this is the right side, means the person must be suffering from a cold or some sort of a problem from the right-hand side, which of course we can understand from these books. We have given it elaborately. There are sixteen subplexuses here which are controlling ear, nose, throat and all these things. It’s all clearly given. Now, this is one of the small ones. I’ve given a lecture in the Indian medical institute about this. But we have got these books here which you can buy and…How much are you going to charge them for that? Yogi: Oh, I’m not sure. Shri Mataji: You are charging for something? Yogi: Just the printing costs for the little booklets. Shri Mataji: So, these are the books here, you all can have them, right. Now we have no problem. We have only one problem, “How to reach the seeker.” Yes? Seeker: You talked about this sacrum bone in this center, injury… [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: We can put it right. If it’s an injury also, we can put it right. For example, all these problems you call… What is this they call, this? Arthritis or also they have spondylosis, spondylitis. All these problems can be cured. You can cure also once you are enlightened. [UNCLEAR] She’s got it. Any other questions? You can see the book yourself if there are any problems. Here may be the chakras are given clearly and these are all the details about the chakras. Now here, how they go out of order, what happens to them and also there are mantras, I’ve given. It’s here. It’s done, I think it’s alright. It’s done in India, I hope it works out. It gives you the basics. We have also a very big elaborate book, written by a SwissFrench called as “Advent.” But in Sahaja Yoga, we have a system in which first you should get your realization, the first stage, then you must establish your realization, second stage. First, you get your thoughtless awareness when the Kundalini passes over your Agnya. You become absolutely thoughtless first of all. Then when She crosses there, you get this cool breeze coming out of your head and then we say that you have got your realization. But still, the establishment is the most important thing. You have to establish yourself. Once you have established it then only we sell this book to you because it is too much and people read and reading itself is a headache. So, first of all, it is a simple thing like this, that if you have to know about this room and there are no lights and you are blind, so first of all, your eyes must be cured and [UNCLEAR]. Then you see this room, settle yourself down and then you can get it. No use telling you about all the electricity and everything about all the history, the invention of electricity and all the people who invented it. It’s very boring. So the best thing is, first of all, you get your realization, settle down. Once you have settled with it then only wesell that book to you. In the same way, my photographs have vibrations. These photographs also we normally give to people who have settled their realization. But it helps, even this photograph on the thing has got vibrations. This photograph has got it if you see. Have you got that photograph? Yogi: Hmm, I don’t think we’ve got enough for all. Shri Mataji: Printed? Yogi: I don’t think we have enough. Have you got the printed ones here. Okay, let’s have a look. Shri Mataji; Printed ones? Alright, okay you can take the printed ones, but the real photographs are also there which they will give you as soon as your vibrations have settled. It is between us that we should know that we have to become that. Why we don’t give it? Because it’s a little complicated. Like in the first class you are there, we move onto the second class. It’s for your good that we slowly move, but it works out. With some people, it works out in no time and with some people it takes time. So it has to be worked out. Come along, sit down. It’s written in the book, how to use the photograph also. This is just a [UNCLEAR], but we have real photographs which Steve can give you later. We’ll leave everything with him. Now Steve has a small room where he has arranged everything. He is here, come along, He is the one who has arranged all this and he is the one who has put this advertisement and all that and he is the one who has got me to Boston. Now he is the one who knows about it. And also some people can come from New York and you can come to New York, we are having some programs there. Can you leave that thing? If you want to know, he will know our programs and you can find out and he can give his telephone number, can you give them your telephone number. Sahaja Yogi: We will put up a notice with all the programs in New York so that they can all see and come. Shri Mataji: Oh but you tell the telephone number it’s the best. Sahaja Yogi – Steve: I’ll give my telephone number [unclear] Seeker: Are you ever going to California? Sahaja Yogi: Yes we are going to California. Shri Mataji: Yes I’m going to California, I’m going to Houston and to [unsure]. Seeker: I am here personally on business from California. Shri Mataji: Is it? Alright we will meet then, I will be there for [unsure] Seeker: Which City? Shri Mataji: We’ll be in Los Angeles and maybe San Francisco Seeker: I live in San Francisco Shri Mataji: San Francisco, yes, maybe, just give him your phone number. Sahaja Yogi: Would you make sure that, so that we can let you know when the meditation program will be each week. Give them to Steve your name and address and he will give you a ring or write a note to you as you go up. Shri Mataji: You people can arrange the same hall yourself. Everybody, all of you together. As far as I’m concerned I don’t need any money at all. You cannot sell it, its love. It’s love, that’s something very simple. Just this hall you can have it. It’s simple love. You can’t think of somebody who just loves for love’s sake. Sahaja Yogi: Any other questions? Seeker: Would you know when Christ is going to come down? Shri Mataji: Don’t ask for Him just now. Let’s all get well then let Him come. He is not going to tell anything, He is just going to solve it, alright? Let Him be postponed for a while, we have to save so many people. Many people are still in trouble. That time there won’t be any persuasion, no counseling, no advancing, nothing. That would be bad, just the last [UNCLEAR judgement], alright?

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1981-0921 Public Program, Day 2, New York (USA) It’s really unbelievable isn’t it? It sounds so fantastic. I have been here about nine years back and I told them that, “It’s within you, there’s a simplest thing, is a living process; it works out, for nothing at all. It’s your own.” But what I found, that Americans were still busy guru shopping; they wanted to go through that, they wanted to do all that. What could I do? I told them, “You don’t have to do all this. Why do you want to waste your energy? Why do you want to waste your money? Nothing, you just have it!” But they wouldn’t. They wanted to spend their money – they had the money that time, they thought they can buy some bhagwans and gods and things like that. All sorts of things were on when I came here, and they wouldn’tlisten to me. They wouldn’t listen to me. I said, “You cannot purchase it, you cannot buy it. They are misleading you.” So I thought, better to retire for some time from America. But in India now, in the villages, we have thousands of people who have got realization – it’s so simple. You are seekers, you are seekers because the time has come that you have to be here and that you have to get your realization. It’s very simple. After all, God has created this great world; this creation is His own and He has to save it. Jolly well, He has to do it. But it is so incredible, they can’t believe it, it’s impossible. They think, “How can that be? We must stand on our heads,” or, “We have to pay a lot of money, we have to become broke, we have to give up this, give up that. Do all sorts of nonsensical things and then, what we find? We are left high and dry.” It’s true, I know, it’s true. But you could have avoided it; when I came here, I told people very, very clearly and plainly. But I was amazed, also, apart from this: they did all kinds of funny things about what I announced to them. I said that you are to be born again. Alright, they taped me and they started organizations with this name that, “We are born again” – they certified themselves and they started another organization with some vibrations, something [UNCLEAR Sun] instead of being honest to yourself and getting the thing down to Earth. I didn’t know why they were getting into these hallucinations which is imaginary things. We have to be honest to ourselves. It’s extremely simple. But when you go to these places and do that, you really get damaged. The task is very difficult now for me, I find, comparatively. It would have been much better [UNCLEAR] no doubt. But they won’t listen to me, even up to the point that they said, “You must charge some money. People are doing it for so much, so much. At least charge some money or then people will have no value for it.” I said, “If they start valuing it in money, they’ll never value it.” It should not be done; whatever is wrong should not be done. And they just wouldn’t accept it; it’s such a funny situation. That’s how I went back; nine years I waited. But Americans are great seekers, they are, despite all these damages. We had a very good experience the other day, with all these people who were there. Especially, we went to Boston where there were about fifty-four people or so, and fifty of them got realization, just like that. Fifty of them, can you believe it? I was amazed. It’s expanding. Consolidation may be a problem, but that should be consolidated. I did give realization to some here, and they were quite funny. They started charging people for their vibrations. Just imagine? They got it without any payment or anything, but they started charging people for it, and when they came to India, we found out they had lost their vibrations. They were very heated-up people and we told them, “You cannot charge for it. How do you charge?” He said, “How are we to live?” I said, “How did you live before? Live like that.” “Oh, we were schoolteachers, we were…” I said, “Do that. You cannot charge for these vibrations; these are Divine, this is love, you cannot charge. How can you sell that? Can you sell your love?” It’s a simple thing Americans have to understand, that you cannot sell it. It’s too simple for them to understand, that there could be someone who really loves, just loves for love’s sake. There could be one, at least, like that in this whole world. If they understand this, then it will be easy for them to understand that all these things are built-in you; they are already made like that. It’s not at all difficult. Like a candle which is made properly and there’s a wick; it’s very easy to enlighten that if you are enlightened. What do you do? What goes out of this candle? It’s nothing. You just enlighten another light without any difficulties. It’s nothing special, nothing great; it’s very, very simple. But we want to make everything complicated, and what am I to do? If you have to eat your food, you eat like this, isn’t it? Do you put your hand down like that? If you have to breathe, which is so vital; it is the simplest. Do you go to libraries to read how to breathe? It’s all so simple, you won’t believe. Like sprouting a seed, it’s a living process; it has to be simple, spontaneous. How can it be complicated? Then, another problem is that here, people read a lot about God. You can’t read about Him, you have to know it. They just read, “This is the God, that is the God.” Today we met somebody who said that, “I believe in a man who calls himself Jesus.” I said, “Very good, put him on the water. Can he walk on the water? If he can walk on the water, alright, he’s Jesus. But does he walk? Put him on the water.” It’s very simple. If I say I am something, I must do it, isn’t it? If somebody says, “I can make you fly,” you start paying him money; such a lot of money goes to this fellow. Does he fly? If he flies, then he can teach you. If he does not know himself how to fly, how will he teach you? It’s a very logical thing: you have to know that we are not going to fly anymore now. We have flown as birds, so we are not going to fly or hop – we have been that. We are going to become something more in our awareness. We see the simple thing we should know that we have to become that. Something in our own awareness, something has to happen that should make us something that we are, that we should become the Absolute. We are not what we are, we are something else – we are like our, say, mind, we are our rationality which can go anywhere. It’s not Absolute. Supposing somebody comes here, a Mr. XYZ and says, “This is a very nice car.” Another one will come and say, “Oh, it’s not so good.” Another one say, “Maybe good, maybe.” Three human beings, all of them are human beings. They are not animals, they are human beings from the same place, from the same village, you can take it. Put them together, they will have three opinions. If they continue to have criteria, we shall say – see they can have even thousand, if they change. So why? Because they have not got their absolute values. there must be something absolute within us, when you start [INAUDIBLE], you start feeling the absolute. As he said, really it happens to you. You become that in no time, and you can feel it – on your hands, on your fingers – the reality. You ask a simple question, “Is there God?” Somebody told me, “I don’t believe in Christ.” I said, “Alright, why? Have you seen Him? Why don’t you believe?” “I don’t believe.” “But why? What is the reason?” “I believe in this and I don’t believe in that.” “Well, why? Is there any absolute by which you have judged whether there was Christ or not? Whether it was true or not? Whether it’s just a myth?” “No, I have not.” “Then how can you say ‘I believe’?’ You keep yourself open!” First, you become your Self – that’s like Buddha. He said, “Don’t talk of God or anything. First of all, let them become the Self. If they become the Self, then talk of other things. Because if they do not, if you talk of something else, they will come out with their own ideas, that, ‘I don’t believe in God, I don’t believe in this, I don’t believe in that.’ ” So He said, “Alright, you become your Self, that’s the first thing. Once you become your Self, then you will start seeing other things through your awareness, which is something special.” And that’s what should happen to you; is to first become your Self. Then you start judging other things because now you have that awareness by which you can judge. How are we to know that – supposing these vibrations come to us – whether they are absolute our not? After all, we should find out whether they are absolute or not. For that, we can use a method which is I call as a relative method. Today I told them that you get two boys who are from a lunatic asylum – certified mad people. Then get two people who have got cancer, and then get two people, one realized soul and one un-realized soul – according to me, one is realized, and one is un-realized. Now you put all of them to me and ask them to see their vibrations. You will find the person who is mad – he will start doing all kinds of actions maybe; he may feel shaking all over the body; his whole body might shake like this; the whole thing might [UNCLEAR]. The person with the cancer will feel terrible heat getting out of his body, a heat so much so, it happens sometimes, that the room does not need a heater – in London, even during wintertime. Now, you have another one who is not a realized soul. Such a person may a little bit feel hot, or something, and after some time he starts feeling the cool breeze, gradually, for a little bit. Then you have a realized soul and a little child sitting. He said, “I was [UNCLEAR taking] it when I entered here. Yes it is there, I know it is there.” It’s so simple because it is vital. It’s important; evolution is the most important thing. That’s how we have become human beings and you have to become something higher. It’s all placed within us very nicely, very safe, very protected. But, of course, we go headlong into every sort of thing and naturally we get damaged. With all these beautiful things within us, I see people doing all kinds of nonsensical things, going into all kinds of extremes; there’s no need to be in extremes. Somebody comes and tells them, “You stand on your head, you’ll get to God.” They’ll go on doing it. I mean, use your logic, use your brain. How can you get to God by standing on your head? If it is a living process, if it’s absolutely living, then you cannot do anything about it, because human beings cannot do anything that is living. At this time, I had told these people who got their realization last time that I will tell them about the Kundalini and the centres and about what they mean. In any case, we have got now books for you also, to go through them and see what it is, and you can read them and you can find out about it. But in any case, I will tell you little bit. Here is the chart. This is the Kundalini here in the triangular bone called as sacrum. This is not important to know, but I am just telling you, because you’ll have curiosity later on, “Where is this Kundalini?” This Kundalini is placed in the triangular bone here, called as sacrum. Now sacrum means sacred; so the people knew about this, that it is a sacred bone. This bone is placed very securely at the base of the spinal cord. This is kept there as a residual force, but it is the energy of your desire of becoming one with the Divine. It is not yet manifested. That’s why it is called as a sleeping Kundalini; it means that power has not yet manifested. On the left-hand side this power that is within us is the power of desire. On the right-hand side, there’s another power which is the power of our action. [The left side] is the one that gives us our emotional life, our emotional side. This gives rise to the left sympathetic nervous system and is also looking after the psyche, which the psychologists talk about. But most of them are half-baked, so they just know about this part of the Kundalini, which they call as the ‘psyche.’ They know very little and when they try to do anything about it, they are so unauthorized that they create problems for others and create problems for themselves. They have no idea as to what we are, and they just try to meddle with your psyche, creating great problems for you. [On the right-hand side] is the power of action which is responsible for our mental and physical efforts, because when we go into action, we put in effort. This is the area where our future lies [right side] and this is the area where our past lies [left side]. Past of our present life and beyond that is the collective Subconscious which is beyond that. Beyond this line [right side] is the Supra-conscious, [which] is the future, and beyond that is the collective Supra-conscious. These are the areas that are within us and the material side is below, and the hell is below that. When we start getting any experience in life – say, a person is sitting and suddenly he starts jumping. He thinks, “I have got Kundalini awakening.” How can that be? If there is Kundalini awakening, you are in charge of that; you know you are the master. If you do not know what is happening to you, it is somebody else who is doing the tricks. Maybe you have moved too much onto the left-hand side and some spirit has possessed you, and he is making you jump. That cannot be any spiritual experience; spiritual experience is only one and when you get it, you become master of your Self. Unless and until that happens, one should not accept anything as a spiritual experience. For example, a master, so called, who lives in Tibet or something, who has died and who is giving experiences. All this is all absurd things. You are your own master, no doubt, but you have to be made into it. Unless and until you are connected to the mains through this, unless and until you are baptized, you are not your Spirit. You are to be actually baptized, in the sense it’s a living process. Just like a seed sprouts, a seed’s primule comes out. In the same way, this Kundalini has to pass through all these chakras and enter through your fontanel bone area, awakening this centre. It sucks in the Ego and Superego, which is created by these two powers here – Superego and Ego – and just creating a portion of the head here, which is called as the fontanel bone area, very soft, and the thing gets out. You can feel the cool breeze of the Kundalini. The Spirit resides in your heart. Nobody knows. They said, “God is in me.” Where is He? Where is He placed? He resides in your heart but you are not aware of it; it is not in your conscious mind, it is not in your central nervous system. It knows about you, but you are not conscious of it. When the Kundalini passes through these various centres and pierces through this one, then the seat of the Spirit is here, the seat of the Spirit. And that’s how, when the Kundalini touches there, the seat is informed, like the seat of your government is Washington: wherever may be the President, if the information goes to Washington, he is informed, like that, this is the seat. And when it informs, the Spirit knows about it, and then you start feeling the cool breeze, the emitting of the cool breeze in the hands which is called as the cool breeze of the Holy Spirit. Some people asked me that, “Is it cool breeze or hot breeze?” You know that when there is any friction, even in the matter, it creates heat. So, it has to be cooled, but not very cooled; it is not very cool. If you become extremely cold, that also means that your left side is all blocked. If there are imbalances in you, like you are too much emotional, then you’ll go more towards this [left] side, and this side is very, very vulnerable. And once you start going too much on that side, there are areas built within you which are called as Collective Subconscious. The other day, as I told you, that cancer is caused by the attack of proteins – which are called as Protein 58 and all that, because the scientists don’t know what they are – they come from this area. They say it comes from the areas – I mean, the doctors are honest, because whatever they know, that’s what they say – it comes from the areas which are built within us since our creation. We call it as Collective Subconscious. We know all about it because you will, yourself, see when you get your realization, that all these things are there and they attack. This left-sided attack gives you a thing like cancer and many other troubles like mental problems and schizophrenia and all such things. Right side movement too much, where these are all the psyche people like Mr. Freud, who was really half-baked and a funny person, who said that you should not allow any conditioning upon yourself and do as you like. He didn’t know that there is another power within us. If you try to do as you like, then what happens? You start living a life of an Ego, where the whole life becomes an ego-oriented life. You do not accept any conditioning, nothing. “I’ll do as I like, I’ll live as I like; I’m a free person.” Free doesn’t mean license, so I have a license to do what I like – I am a free person, I can do what I like with myself.” And then you start leading a life of Ego. If you have this left-side problem, then the problems attack you in the sense that you feel depressed, you feel very unhappy, you feel as if the whole world is going to be collapsing on you, and you are extremely receded from life. You become recluses with this left side. But with the right-side, you are riding a very fast horse, we have to say in a way that the people who are, say, very dominating type – Hitler is the extreme of that, you can say. But now, Mr. Hitler, if you went and told him that, “You suffer from ego,” he would have killed you; he can’t bear that. And this kind of a thing, when it comes in you, this ego-orientation, is more dangerous, because you harm others and you are not aware of it. So both the things are harmful to you. You have to lead a life of a balance, in the centre. This balance, if you achieve by using these two powers, like the brake and the accelerator within you, you develop that balance, and [when] that balance is achieved, then you lead a very simple, balanced life. But, as I said, if somebody comes and tells you, “You have to stand on your head,” you’ll go on standing on your head. If they say, “You must have so much of waistline, so much of this thing,” they will be jogging throughout. If anything you tell them, they will go to such an extreme end that either they’ll jump onto the right side or to the left side. When you go to the left side, the experience can be like you might feel that you are seeing things from somewhere, or you might feel that you are jumping in your bed. The other day, I met a man who said that, in his dream, he saw somebody coming and piercing into his forehead, and since then he’s sort of immobilized. All sorts of experiences you can get if you go to the left-hand side. Some of the drugs can take you to the left and some take you to the right. LSD takes you to the right, by which you start seeing things like you see colours and things – you go to the Supra-conscious area. The Supra-conscious area is more dangerous, in a way, to the seekers than the other side, because – like you get Supra-conscious people who start seeing something written on the wall, they start getting things in their hand, they start prophesying and all sorts of things they do. All such people think they have become God. This is a very dangerous situation. They always think that because actually they are held by some busybodies who are making them evil. These are actually the busybodies. We have one very good example of Dr Lak in England; he died, but a very ambitious man. And he could not complete his thesis, what he wanted to do about surgery. So his spirit entered into a soldier who was fighting in Vietnam, and this soldier – he didn’t enter into his own son – he told this man that, “You go and see my son in England and you start a curative centre of this late Mr. Lak”, I mean, he’s dead, “and I will help there; you better go and see my son.” This fellow in that possessed state, went to the son and the son said, “Alright, how am I to believe that you are my father, that my father is haunting you?” He said, “I will tell you so many things that we did together secretly.” And he was amazed. He said, “Alright, let’s start the thing.” And they have got this kind of an institute where, if you are suffering from some disease or something, you have to write to that institute. What they do, they will tell you, “At 5 o’clock, on such and such date,” – they are honest, I should say – “we’ll enter into your body and cure you.” They will cure one disease but, because of this extreme push this side, you are again pushed back on the other side, rebounded – and you may develop a horrible nervous system. You might become lunatic, you might become mad. People who have been his patients are worse patients now, and I have been treating them in India, many of them. So, such organizations exist and they start telling you about many things like, “Oh, if you go this side, this will happen.” I mean, it’s a very subtle behaviour of these horrible people, these busybodies, and they really try to spoil you. Now, many of the gurus who come here – these so-called gurus – either work on this side or that side, or sometimes both sides. They use the spirits to mesmerize you, first of all. They will use any spirit to introduce in this centre, for example – an Antichrist will touch this one. And I know of somebody who is here – an absolute Antichrist; he touches this centre, and creates problems in you and produces within you a symptom just like blood cancer. There’s another one who wants to teach you how to fly – he gives you epilepsy, simple thing like epilepsy. There is another one who gives you cancer; there’s a third one who gives you a heart attack – they are experts on giving you diseases; all one better than the other and in the long run, you find all your money is lost, you are lost, there’s nothing left with you [and] you are a recluse. There’s somebody who has made his disciples so funny that they are even afraid of the vegetable, like a garlic – you show them the garlic, they’ll run away. If you show them a lemon, they’ll run away. These people have worked on you because you are naïve. First of all, you have money. They have no interest in the poor people of India. They have no interest in looking after people who understand them. They have only interest in you who are naïve, who are simple people, who have money and, best of all, you are that category which is the seekers. You are born specially to seek your Self; you are a special category. Everybody’s not like that. In this place, New York, there may be many seekers, I agree. But this category is not with everyone. There are few human beings, relatively to itspopulation, who are really seekers, and these special categories have to become prophets and they have to make others prophets. It was prophesied by a great poet like William Blake. We should read all these things and understand that, even Sahaja Yoga, has been prophesied in the Bible. In all the Puranas, in all the books, it is prophesied that, in these modern times, this is going to happen: that thousands of people, who have been searching God in their previous lives, are going to receive their blessings and they are going to become that. Under these promises you start going to these people, but they cannot cure you because they are not authorized. They are not here to give you realization. They are here to make their money. They are parasites, they’re absolute parasites. Say, now today as he said, my husband is well placed, maybe he might come from a rich family or whatever it is. I don’t have to depend on you or anyone. But, supposing I was like Christ, a carpenter’s daughter. So, I would have lived like that; it makes no difference whether you are rich or poor. To me, comfort has no meaning: I can sleep here, I can sleep anywhere. Yesterday, we went to Boston and it was a small little room of a student… we were six, seven people, we all slept together; no problem for us. In my house, I have bedrooms, I have everything – too much of a comfort – and it falls upon me; I don’t like it. A person who is a holy person doesn’t seek others’ money and doesn’t live like a parasite. For example, you see yourself, if I tell you, “I give you money for your living,” will you accept, anyone of you? And these people are doing nothing for their living; they are living on your money, they are having Rolls Royces and this and that. A saint has no interest in these points. Like, one of them who is nowadays here, who has now become a Yankee, they say, he told to English people, he wrote to them that, “If you want me to come there” – they’re all mad after him! They said they have got knowledge. What sort of a knowledge, one only knows. That, “If I am coming to England, you have to give me a Rolls Royce.” The poor boys, in England – as it is, people are not so rich. Young people don’t have so much money – and they starved themselves, ate potatoes, did this and that, and they created a fifty-ninth Rolls Royce – I mean, he has already fifty-eight – this fifty-ninth was created and this fellow very nicely came to receive the Rolls Royce. You ask them, “What has he given you?” “He has given us knowledge, we are in knowledge.” They look just like possessed people they are moving and they are going down. Those people who come from that area have mostly blood cancer. And they just live as if they are not living. It’s such a horrible thing. What knowledge have they got? If you have knowledge, you should know what’s happening in another person, you should get collectively conscious, you should become, it’s actualization and it should happen to you. You should feel that, as you have shown here, that all these centres you can feel on your fingers. You should feel your own centres and you should feel the centres of others. You should become that. If you are satisfied with what you have done, and what wrongs you have done, we cannot cure you. You have to know that you have not found it and you have to get to it, in all honesty and sincerity. And throw away all that is nonsensical. Then only it works out and this has to happen to you, that you start feeling all these centres here. Now see, you can see the colours that are given separately onto this. Now, for example, this is the left hand and left hand means the left side of this one. Now this one, if it is catching – if you feel heat, if you feel any catching, if you feel that there’s burning in this finger, in this thumb of left hand – this is all left side, is the psyche; means somebody has tried to disturb your psyche in an unauthorized way. Most of the gurus have this. All the left side can be caught up by them, but specially this one is the sign that you havebeen to somebody who has been unauthorized, anyone. You can go to a spiritualist, is a most dangerous game to have a spiritualist. I was surprised, somebody told me, “Mother, You are going to America. Now they have started witchcraft also. [UNCLEAR]. It’s magic.” They told me, “It’s much worse now. It was better ten years back; now it’s witchcraft. You’ll be facing people who have been doing witchcraft, they are doing all openly.” And they warned me that, “Maybe you may not be able to do anything there”, but I don’t think so; it’s much better than I expected and I’m very happy about it. So, this is what happens to you, is that, when you start doing something like that, you start showing here. Now, this one is this side, left side of this very important centre. This one shows that you are guilty, you feel guilty; you are diffident. When the Spirit approaches this point, it makes you all the time feel guilty; you feel guilty for everything. What is there to feel guilty? I mean, you have not murdered anyone; real murderer will never feel guilty, but the one who has done nothing all the time starts saying, “Oh, I should not have said this, I should not have done this, I should not have gone there.” All these feelings come to you from Left Vishuddhi. It can be from the kind of training you have had. For example, mostly I have seen Catholics because they have to go and confess. Even if they have done no sins, they have to go and confess because the priest must have his existence, somehow. This kind of a thing, if you have that, you have to go and confess some sort of a sin. You may even coin [some] of your own, because you don’t know what to talk to him if you have not committed any sins. So all these things are settled down. You must know, all the sins and all the blasphemy, everything that you have done is going to be forgiven, has to be forgiven. If it is going to be en-masse realization, all these things have to be forgiven. It’s written; I was reading the other day Pilgrim’s Progress and he has said that all these things will be forgiven. Is promised. And what sin can you commit? What guilt can you have? If God is ocean of forgiveness and love, what can you do? He is going to cleanse you. He is going to bless you. He has to do. So what’s the use of feeling guilty all the time? But that doesn’t mean you should feel arrogant on the other side. This side you’ll feel guilty and the right side, if you have a catch on the right side, that means you have been very much aggressive. Or you may be suffering from [UNCLEAR cold] or all these things; these are suggestive of physical side. The right side is for physical and mental side. All these things you can verify gradually. I would suggest that you should get your realization first; first thing first. Let’s open your eyes; let’s you have the light within yourself and see for yourself how it works, alright? Should we have that? And also we’llhave some questions. They’re already feeling it. You are feeling guilty now. Yes, that’s true, you are already feeling it. This is a very common disease in the West, to feel guilty, it’s a very common disease. We Indians never feel guilty, you know? They have other things but not this, thank God. They have many other problems, terrible ones, unbelievable… As I was telling you, we don’t know how to advertise; we’ve done our level best but people don’t come to reality. You have one mesmerizer here. All of them stayed for this [UNCLEAR]. We tried everything, I don’t know how to reach to the seekers; I don’t know what they are seeking. They want all the circus – I don’t know what they want. Hmm. So, any questions? Yesterday I told you about Christ, isn’t it? When He is awakened, I told you that. You were there for the lecture? When He’s awakened here, that the Ego and Superego are sucked in. That is what is promised, that He is the one who sucks Ego and Superego, but He’s to be awakened. First thing that happens, when Kundalini rises, that you find there is no thought in your mind. There’s no thought, you have become blank, first thing. Then when it pierces through, you start feeling the cool breeze. It’s so simple, he can’t believe it. You don’t know, there was a gentleman who came to me, he’s an actor in London. He came in a program, and when he got it, he laughed and he couldn’t bear it. He said, “Mother, I will go out and laugh now, aloud.” He went around and laughed. I said, “But why did you laugh so much?” He said, “I did all kinds of acrobats. That’s why I was laughing. It’s so simple.” Imagine. People have written books after books and so much of nonsense they have done, I tell you. You can’t imagine. All trash. Are you alright now, better? Now you go on saying, “I’m not guilty” in your heart. Put your right hand on your heart. Yes, now… again, say it thrice. alright? We’ll work it out, but you just say, “I’m not guilty.” You have put your own load here. Better now, see. Remove it. Seeker: Ah, I’m not guilty. In my heart, I try and it hurts, but I feel a heat here. Shri Mataji: It is little there, but it’s better now, gradually. How many years you have been feeling guilty? Seeker: About a year. Shri Mataji: It will work out. Seeker: You say, the realization – is it a connection that you want us to achieve or to understand, between the Spiritual… in other words, the connection of the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Of course, of course, it’s the breaking through; you become that. It’s the connection you have established. Like, every instrument has a connecting line, isn’t it? You have to connect it to the mains – you are just to be connected to the mains. That is fantastic. For example, you have a camera or say, you have a television or something like that. If you connect it to the mains, it starts showing its fantastic things. You are like that. Nothing so fantastic. You are fantastic, but you have no self-esteem. I don’t understand, human beings have no self-esteem. I mean, they are top of all the evolution, they are higher than all the animals. Now they are learning the behaviour from animals. We have nothing to learn from them. Have we to learn anything from them? God has placed us so much above. Yes, my child? Seeker: Why are we separated from the Spirit and are we at birth? Shri Mataji: We are separated because of ignorance. We started becoming from amoebic stage to human stage, developing our awareness better and better and better. Like a reflector we are, so the reflector is improving gradually and the reflection of that spiritual life shows better and better till we reach a human stage. Now, here we come at this stage in the process, of the living process, and then we become connected, and that ignorance is finished. We are not separated as such, we are looked after. Like, there is darkness in this room, but you are not separated from light. Only you have to switch on. There is no punishment or anything done to you, no, because you have come from that. Your awareness has started improving. Seeker: You keep talking about the living process. This can happen while you’re alive, it doesn’t happen when you die? Shri Mataji: No, not. You have to live, you have to have a body; if you don’t have a body, this realization doesn’t take place. So some people talk of the dead gurus and all that, it’s not possible. You have to get it when you are living; you have to have the body. Body is the temple as you can say, that if there is no bulb, you cannot get light. There may be light but you have to have a bulb. It has to come in the form of a human being, not in the animals. Seeker: You mentioned here that you are the link of Self realization. So are we, or the people who get Self-realization here, getting their Self-realization through you or… Shri Mataji: No, no, no – your Self. Did they say I am the link? He should not have said that. It means that I am the one who enlightens, that’s all. I am, as one light… you can enlighten also. It should not have said that, it’s dangerous to say such a thing. because if it says, everybody’s ego comes up like that, “Oh, what she is, who is she?” You see everywhere, mostly I have seen in Europe, specially, they said, “Why you?” I said, “You do it; I’ll be very happy. I am a happily married woman. I have a very good husband, my children and grandchildren. I have to do it, day in and day out. If you can do it, nothing like it. I will retire.” If you can do it, nothing like it. To travel like this, work it out, spend your own money, do it. It’s not [UNCLEAR] I must be something special, no doubt, but that you find out later on, not just now. I have to be something special to do it, but that you’ll find out later on. You should not have put it in there, because half of the Americans would not come if they say there is somebody who is a link, because they all think they are already realized souls, great people dropping from Heaven. This is also another kind of a selfesteem. Seeker: Well, do you just have to want it or… how do you get it? Shri Mataji: I think we’ll discover it later on, because I never got it; I had it, that’s the problem. Yogi: No, she’s asking, does she just have to want it, herself? Seeker: Does one have to want it or does one just all of a sudden… be it? Shri Mataji: There is one thing that it cannot be forced. Your freedom is respected. Now you are free. If the egg wants to be bird or not, you don’t ask the egg; you don’t ask, because it’s the animal stage. But in human stage, you have to ask for it. If you do not ask, you do not get it. Nobody’s going to force on you. Neither the Divine is going to fall at your feet that you ask, no. On the contrary, you have to humble down to ask for it. It cannot go to arrogant people. You have to ask for it, in a way. If it works, thank your stars. If it doesn’t work, we’ll work it out later on, but you have to ask for it, no doubt. It’s such a great thing. Only that much you have to do, not pay for it but ask for it, in a humble way. Yes? Seeker: Something disturbs me about the movement – not yours, I’m just saying that you mentioned before that there are so many seekers in the United States and [UNCLEAR elsewhere]. I find it very disturbing to find these people are seeking divinity or spirituality, and yet they themselves are not in a state of purification or do not live in a pure state. I don’t see how the two can reconcile each other. I mean, I think before you realize this realization, this connection… Shri Mataji: You must go into a cleaning process, you mean? Seeker: Yes, exactly, and really to have these desires that are vulgar and so forth, fall away from you… and yet they… Shri Mataji: No, this was done before, and it’s a very slow process which was worked out, that you try to cleanse yourself, but it’s not possible unless and until there’s a realized guru who looks after you, each individual, and all that. Now, the Grace has decided that, first of all, let us start all the machinery, all the cars you can say, secondhand, third-hand, fifth-hand. Let us start; see how far they can go, then try to correct. Unless and until you get out of your car, also you do not know what’s wrong with it. So, unless and until you get your realization, really you cannot know. For example now, I’m an old, ancient guru of olden times, take it like that. Now, you come to me. First of all, these gurus used to test you. They would break you, stand on your head, sit on your legs and do all kinds of things, because they would take only one person, one person among millions, and see that if they could work it out. And they would really work on him and make him do all those things. The trouble is, in modern times, if you tell anybody to do something, they’ll do just the opposite. It’s a very difficult situation. Now think for a moment this point of view: I want you to have your realization because I can’t enjoy it myself. You have to have your realization. I can see that diamond in you; I want you to have it. So what would Mother do? If she has to do something, she’ll go round and say, “Alright, let’s have it.” First you have it and see if you like it or not. Supposing I have cooked the food and you say, “No, I don’t want to have it.” What will I do? “Alright, taste a little bit, see how it is.” Once you jump into it, for these people have got it. Now he’s got realization, he knows the taste of it. Not only that, but without realization, you can’t judge yourself. If I judge you, I say now, supposing I say, “Warren, you have lots of ego.” When he came to me, he was ego like a balloon, like this, you won’t believe. But if I tell him that, he would have punched me immediately, isn’t it? Now you agree then? But this fellow, I didn’t say to him, “You have ego,” or anything. “Alright,” I said, “We give him realization,” then he came down on it. Then I put him into proper state, raised his Kundalini. Then he started seeing his ego. He said, “Oh, God, such an ego I have, Mother. Now what to do with it?” I said, “I’ll tell you how to reduce it.” So, unless and until you have the eyes, you can’t see, and if you tell them, “Don’t do it,” he will do it. Best thing is to give the eyes first to you. You may not see it so clearly but you’ll start seeing it. Then you’ll start improving yourself. You’ll judge yourself. You better judge yourself. It’s much better than I judge you. Then you correct yourself because you can’t just bear it. Yesterday there was a lady, she was suffering from liver – she has not come today – and she told me, “Mother, after realization I got a headache.” I said, “You have a liver? Otherwise you would not attend to it, but now you have got a headache, you’d better attend to it.” So I told her how to look after it; within two days, she’s alright, she’s cured. People become mad and they don’t know they are possessed, till they absolutely land up in the lunatic asylum. To give them judgment power is very important. And how will you make out when he’s a real guru or not a real guru? Even logically you can, but otherwise, how will you make out? Very simple. You just seek [UNCLEAR the light]. So, you must get your discrimination power, but actually while getting it, you really become the master. That’s the simple thing. Now, he has been with me only for eighteen weeks or maybe eighteen months? Eighteen months only; now he is a master. He has established seven centresin seven cities in Australia and he’s come to America, I mean, imported him for you people. But now, you’d better go and look after other people. What’s the question? Seeker: You were talking about the Spirit being in the Heart chakra there, over on the left side. I’d like to know why it’s on the left instead of in the middle, because if the Spirit – it has to do with realization – why isn’t it in the middle in the central Kundalini, instead of on the other side like that, and why is it… and why in…the heart, yeah. Shri Mataji: The heart. Heart is the main thing within us, that’s the last. Once heart stops, we don’t exist: sheer existence. That’s the most important organ that God has given us. Once the Spirit is angry, in any way strained, any way despaired, we just exist, and then we die. There’s nothing left. Heart is very important. That’s why He’s placed there, in human beings, but it comes out, comes out also. It can come out and see, go around and see. But the seat is there. When you will start growing into Sahaja Yoga, you will start seeing how this Spirit manifests and how it grows. It sits on the seat also. Seeker: What does it look like? Shri Mataji: It is now in the heart, but then it comes on the seat, at a point, that’s much different, that’s much later. Seeker: I see. Shri Mataji: Alright? So it has to be brought there; first a seat has to be created properly. Just now, heart is the one, [UNCLEAR it lies just there], it doesn’t… it is not according to our will, it is His will that is important. We have to please His whims also. Seeker: Would You say conscience and soul is … resides in the heart area? Shri Mataji: What is it? Seeker: Conscience; in other words, people – their guilt feelings or their realization of what’s right and wrong – resides in the heart feeling, it comes from the heart area? This knowledge…? Shri Mataji: It’s not that, it doesn’t come; it comes from the Left side, as I showed you. But heart area is the one where resides the Spirit, actually. Seeker: So the soul would be…? Shri Mataji: Soul… and the soul is a wider thing than Spirit is. Because when one dies, only the element, that is the Earth element, dies and the water element also starts oozing out. But whatever remains are the three elements, which are the three auras, plus the Spirit is the source. And the Kundalini also resides on that. After realization, you can see that, you can see so many Kundalinis floating – they have all seen it. You’ll see it, it’s fantastic. You are all fantastic people. Seeker: That’s not the aura necessarily? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no – auras are right side; Supra-conscious. But you actually see these Kundalinis floating around – I’ll show you. Shri Mataji: So what do you say, now? Seeker: How do we do this for ourselves? How do we do this for our Self? Shri Mataji: Now, that’s the point; we are coming to that point now. We should not have put ‘missing link’ on the poster]. Did you put ‘missing link’ or what? Warren: No, no, no… Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no – don’t say all that. Warren: Not the missing link. Shri Mataji: A bit too much. Warren: If it offends you, get your realization first… Shri Mataji: Not offends, but it offends everyone because we should learn from our experiences; Christ said nothing except that He said, “I am the Son of God,” and they crucified Him. One has to be careful. If you say anything like that, people don’t like it. Better not say. Tell them I am just like you, blind – little of my eyes are open, then they’ll be happy. It was very wrong to say that. I didn’t see that, I would have told them. I am anxious not to say. Seeker: It seems to imply that we’re getting your realization, the realization through you– that you are the link to the Eternal. Shri Mataji: But why will you have objection to that? Seeker: I beg your pardon? Shri Mataji: Will you have objection if it is so? Seeker: Well, it would be your realization that we are tasting, because you would be the link if… Shri Mataji: But supposing I am the link. Supposing I am the link, supposing. Take a supposition – then what’s happening? What is the harm? Seeker: What do you mean, “No harm”? But there’s a price for everything. Shri Mataji: No, no – should not; because you must know that unconscious can’t talk to you. Somebody has to come and talk to you, somebody has to decode, somebody had to tell you. It’s not easy to become human being. You know it’s very difficult for the Divine to become this. Absolutely, it’s such a hazardous thing to become a human being, because they are so absurd, so stupid, and you don’t know what to do with them. It’s a very difficult task. I’m shocked sometimes – how can they do it? I mean, I just can’t understand. Seeker: What’s that, that end part of it? Warren: For the Divine to become a human being, she’s saying; for the Divine to become… Shri Mataji: Is a very difficult thing. Divine to be Divine is the easiest thing, but to become a human being, to talk to them, to look after them… Supposing if I am Divine. If you insult me, you’ll be hurt and that I wouldn’t like because I am compassion. Like Christ said, “Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” For the Jews He said so, for the Jews. “For they do not know what they are doing,” because He was frightened. They are crucifying Him and He was frightened for the people because He was compassion. So, it’s a very difficult situation, very sensitive. But you should not have put that, I tell you, it was a mistake. I never saw that. It’s a good pointing out. I know it, people won’t like it. They won’t like it. I think our second one is a better one. Who did that? Warren: It was done for the Australian tour, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ah, Australians are very different from Americans. You should never have done for Americans – no, no, no, no. Australians are very different people, because they were punished once upon a time, their forefathers. So they do not have ego trips much, they do not have. They want a redeemer, they are a very different type of people. Americans think they are the redeemers of the whole world. They are responsible for everything. This is a very different land; you should have never done that. Yes, it’s a very common thing. Americans really think they are going to redeem the whole world. And all the Antichrists are coming and settling down with them. All the Antichrists are, as a result, and it’s such a dangerous situation that I just pray that they would have more sense to understand these are Antichrists – throw them away! Seeker: Could You explain what You mean by the manifestation; how do you see an Antichrist? What does he manifest as? Shri Mataji: He’s a devil, he’s a Satan. Seeker: You know why … I’m very, I mean, as a person it wouldn’t affect me, it wouldn’t bother me. If I see something as, what you call evil, I don’t consider things being evil per se but … Shri Mataji: For this I would just say you get your realization, then you will know how much it bothers you, because you don’t see, that’s the thing. If you don’t see a snake, how will you know how it attacks you? Seeker: Yeah, I know but I mean, as a person that doesn’t like whatever is unrealized? and stuff – you reject it. Why is it so effective as a … harmful adversary … Shri Mataji: Because it kills all your chances of realization, first and foremost. I don’t mind if they are thugs, they take away money from you, make you poor, do what they like; I don’t mind all that. Let them be parasites, do anything; there are so many people like that, isn’t it? There are so many beggars, there are so many thieves and there are murderers, every sort. I don’t mind anything of that kind. But because they spoil your Kundalini, that’s why I have all the objection. You have to have your realization, that’s your right. Seeker: And then do you shrug it off, I mean, does it affect you if you are … if you have… Shri Mataji: No, no, not like that – that’s not true. Warren: No, you shrug off – she’s asking do you shrug off your … all the negativity? Seeker: Yeah, the negativity, that’s what I mean. Shri Mataji: Who shrugs? Warren: She’s asking does one, when they get their realization, shrug off the negativity? Shri Mataji: After realization? Oh, they just run away. Seeker: So I’m saying that, when you see this, you just … that’s why I … I mean people… even before they have realization … Shri Mataji: That a person who is not a realized soul, according to me, is not yet really a person. That’s what I’m trying to tell you, that you are not yet fully that. You have to become that. Now the gentleman is getting very, very … Seeker: Impatient? Shri Mataji: And that should be so because – now, let us not too much go into mental activity because what will happen, you may not get your realization because of mental activities and this centre goes out a little bit. So, let us stop at this point. Let’s have it now. You have to take out your shoes. I’m sorry, because that helps the Mother Earth to take away all our problems. We must get our realization at any cost; that’s the main thing. My only thing is that you must get your realization. What’s that? Warren: Just a tape recorder. Shri Mataji: He’s taping it? Could be dangerous. We don’t allow them to tape; it was the taping that started a lot of organizations this time. Warren (to seeker): Would you mind if it … Seeker: No, it’s turned off. OK. Shri Mataji: Alright? If you want to have tapes, you can have from these people; they have got some tapes of my speeches, but normally we don’t allow people to tape. Because last time, this experience was so horrifying that this time we have decided not to allow people who are not Sahaja yogis to tape. But if you want to have tapes, you can have from these people. Now, it’s all on the left hand, it’s working out, it’s alright. Now, let’s have your hands towards me and close your eyes. Put both the feet on the ground. Both the hands towards me and close your eyes; don’t open your eyes, because when the Kundalini rushes through this centre of Agnya, then there is dilation of the pupils and, if you keep your eyes open, it won’t come up. Close your eyes. This happening takes place and your attention is drawn inside. Put your right hand on your heart. Close your eyes. Ask a question to me, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Seekers: Mother, am I the Spirit? Warren: Three times. Seekers: Mother, am I the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Again. Seekers: Mother, am I the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Now say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” (Seekers repeat three times) Shri Mataji: Now, you have to ask for realization. Say, “Mother, please give me my realization.” (Seekers repeat three times) (Warren to Shri Mataji: Still a little bit left.) Shri Mataji: Now please say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Got it? Good. (Seekers repeat three times) Shri Mataji: Now you have to say, “Mother, if I have neglected my Spirit, please forgive me.” (Seekers repeat three times) Shri Mataji: Alright? That’s it, it will work out. Keep your eyes shut. The Sahaja yogis can see now. Got it? Warren: Just put your right hand … yes, he has Mother. Just put your right hand above your head. Shri Mataji: You got it. You can feel it on your head if you have got it. All the Sahaja yogis can come and see. Warren: Feel ok? It’s coming out of the top of your head? You feeling it there? Shri Mataji: Those who have been to other gurus should say, “Mother, I am my own guru.” Seeker: I can feel his, the same – he’s got it, he’s got it. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes you can feel. He’s got it, she knows. Seeker: I don’t even have to feel it … Warren: Are you feeling it on your hands? Seeker: It’s coming all out of you. Shri Mataji: (laughing) Yes, Yes, he’s got it, yes. Have you got it? You didn’t say anything. You were keeping quiet. You should have said it. You are catching on the Vishuddhi, and if you had said it, it would have opened up. Alright, we’ll work it out. You should get it. We can work it out. Shri Mataji: Now are you feeling it? Slowly, slowly, it’s a very subtle thing. But in the second sitting it is better, isn’t it? It’s more clear. It’s very clear. Oh, it’s hot, alright. You’re alright now, are you? Warren: It’s a pity they can’t turn the air conditioning – the air conditioning’s causing a lot of disturbance. Shri Mataji: No, no, no – it’s alright. You believe it, it is there. yesterday, somebody who got it thought that the window was open, and then he went into the cellar to see, and still it was there. Are you alright now? Good! I’m very happy the second sitting you got it. It’s good. So changed, so changed. Look at this gentleman. Are you alright now? See, you have got it; second sitting, you have got it. Now, what about this gentleman – you got it? Did you feel, my child? No? Alright, I’ll work it out. Warren: She’s feeling it in her left, but not in her right. She thinks too much. Shri Mataji: Agnya was, too … that’s why I said we stop it there! That should work it out. Here, keep your eyes shut. Now, you have to forgive; go on forgiving – “I forgive”, say. How easy is that? Seeker: I forgive Shri Mataji: Again (seeker repeats twice) Shri Mataji: I forgive everyone.(seeker repeats, Shri Mataji is working on her – Forgive, forgive, forgive.) Shri Mataji: Ah, forgiving’s not there – now forgive. (Shri Mataji and the yogis continue to work on all the seekers)

1981-0921 Public Program, Day 2, New York (USA) It’s really unbelievable isn’t it? It sounds so fantastic. I have been here about nine years back and I told them that, “It’s within you, there’s a simplest thing, is a living process; it works out, for nothing at all. It’s your own.” But what I found, that Americans were still busy guru shopping; they wanted to go through that, they wanted to do all that. What could I do? I told them, “You don’t have to do all this. Why do you want to waste your energy? Why do you want to waste your money? Nothing, you just have it!” But they wouldn’t. They wanted to spend their money – they had the money that time, they thought they can buy some bhagwans and gods and things like that. All sorts of things were on when I came here, and they wouldn’tlisten to me. They wouldn’t listen to me. I said, “You cannot purchase it, you cannot buy it. They are misleading you.” So I thought, better to retire for some time from America. But in India now, in the villages, we have thousands of people who have got realization – it’s so simple. You are seekers, you are seekers because the time has come that you have to be here and that you have to get your realization. It’s very simple. After all, God has created this great world; this creation is His own and He has to save it. Jolly well, He has to do it. But it is so incredible, they can’t believe it, it’s impossible. They think, “How can that be? We must stand on our heads,” or, “We have to pay a lot of money, we have to become broke, we have to give up this, give up that. Do all sorts of nonsensical things and then, what we find? We are left high and dry.” It’s true, I know, it’s true. But you could have avoided it; when I came here, I told people very, very clearly and plainly. But I was amazed, also, apart from this: they did all kinds of funny things about what I announced to them. I said that you are to be born again. Alright, they taped me and they started organizations with this name that, “We are born again” – they certified themselves and they started another organization with some vibrations, something [UNCLEAR Sun] instead of being honest to yourself and getting the thing down to Earth. I didn’t know why they were getting into these hallucinations which is imaginary things. We have to be honest to ourselves. It’s extremely simple. But when you go to these places and do that, you really get damaged. The task is very difficult now for me, I find, comparatively. It would have been much better [UNCLEAR] no doubt. But they won’t listen to me, even up to the point that they said, “You must charge some money. People are doing it for so much, so much. At least charge some money or then people will have no value for it.” I said, “If they start valuing it in money, they’ll never value it.” It should not be done; whatever is wrong should not be done. And they just wouldn’t accept it; it’s such a funny situation. That’s how I went back; nine years I waited. But Americans are great seekers, they are, despite all these damages. We had a very good experience the other day, with all these people who were there. Especially, we went to Boston where there were about fifty-four people or so, and fifty of them got realization, just like that. Fifty of them, can you believe it? I was amazed. It’s expanding. Consolidation may be a problem, but that should be consolidated. I did give realization to some here, and they were quite funny. They started charging people for their vibrations. Just imagine? They got it without any payment or anything, but they started charging people for it, and when they came to India, we found out they had lost their vibrations. They were very heated-up people and we told them, “You cannot charge for it. How do you charge?” He said, “How are we to live?” I said, “How did you live before? Live like that.” “Oh, we were schoolteachers, we were…” I said, “Do that. You cannot charge for these vibrations; these are Divine, this is love, you cannot charge. How can you sell that? Can you sell your love?” It’s a simple thing Americans have to understand, that you cannot sell it. It’s too simple for them to understand, that there could be someone who really loves, just loves for love’s sake. There could be one, at least, like that in this whole world. If they understand this, then it will be easy for them to understand that all these things are built-in you; they are already made like that. It’s not at all difficult. Like a candle which is made properly and there’s a wick; it’s very easy to enlighten that if you are enlightened. What do you do? What goes out of this candle? It’s nothing. You just enlighten another light without any difficulties. It’s nothing special, nothing great; it’s very, very simple. But we want to make everything complicated, and what am I to do? If you have to eat your food, you eat like this, isn’t it? Do you put your hand down like that? If you have to breathe, which is so vital; it is the simplest. Do you go to libraries to read how to breathe? It’s all so simple, you won’t believe. Like sprouting a seed, it’s a living process; it has to be simple, spontaneous. How can it be complicated? Then, another problem is that here, people read a lot about God. You can’t read about Him, you have to know it. They just read, “This is the God, that is the God.” Today we met somebody who said that, “I believe in a man who calls himself Jesus.” I said, “Very good, put him on the water. Can he walk on the water? If he can walk on the water, alright, he’s Jesus. But does he walk? Put him on the water.” It’s very simple. If I say I am something, I must do it, isn’t it? If somebody says, “I can make you fly,” you start paying him money; such a lot of money goes to this fellow. Does he fly? If he flies, then he can teach you. If he does not know himself how to fly, how will he teach you? It’s a very logical thing: you have to know that we are not going to fly anymore now. We have flown as birds, so we are not going to fly or hop – we have been that. We are going to become something more in our awareness. We see the simple thing we should know that we have to become that. Something in our own awareness, something has to happen that should make us something that we are, that we should become the Absolute. We are not what we are, we are something else – we are like our, say, mind, we are our rationality which can go anywhere. It’s not Absolute. Supposing somebody comes here, a Mr. XYZ and says, “This is a very nice car.” Another one will come and say, “Oh, it’s not so good.” Another one say, “Maybe good, maybe.” Three human beings, all of them are human beings. They are not animals, they are human beings from the same place, from the same village, you can take it. Put them together, they will have three opinions. If they continue to have criteria, we shall say – see they can have even thousand, if they change. So why? Because they have not got their absolute values. there must be something absolute within us, when you start [INAUDIBLE], you start feeling the absolute. As he said, really it happens to you. You become that in no time, and you can feel it – on your hands, on your fingers – the reality. You ask a simple question, “Is there God?” Somebody told me, “I don’t believe in Christ.” I said, “Alright, why? Have you seen Him? Why don’t you believe?” “I don’t believe.” “But why? What is the reason?” “I believe in this and I don’t believe in that.” “Well, why? Is there any absolute by which you have judged whether there was Christ or not? Whether it was true or not? Whether it’s just a myth?” “No, I have not.” “Then how can you say ‘I believe’?’ You keep yourself open!” First, you become your Self – that’s like Buddha. He said, “Don’t talk of God or anything. First of all, let them become the Self. If they become the Self, then talk of other things. Because if they do not, if you talk of something else, they will come out with their own ideas, that, ‘I don’t believe in God, I don’t believe in this, I don’t believe in that.’ ” So He said, “Alright, you become your Self, that’s the first thing. Once you become your Self, then you will start seeing other things through your awareness, which is something special.” And that’s what should happen to you; is to first become your Self. Then you start judging other things because now you have that awareness by which you can judge. How are we to know that – supposing these vibrations come to us – whether they are absolute our not? After all, we should find out whether they are absolute or not. For that, we can use a method which is I call as a relative method. Today I told them that you get two boys who are from a lunatic asylum – certified mad people. Then get two people who have got cancer, and then get two people, one realized soul and one un-realized soul – according to me, one is realized, and one is un-realized. Now you put all of them to me and ask them to see their vibrations. You will find the person who is mad – he will start doing all kinds of actions maybe; he may feel shaking all over the body; his whole body might shake like this; the whole thing might [UNCLEAR]. The person with the cancer will feel terrible heat getting out of his body, a heat so much so, it happens sometimes, that the room does not need a heater – in London, even during wintertime. Now, you have another one who is not a realized soul. Such a person may a little bit feel hot, or something, and after some time he starts feeling the cool breeze, gradually, for a little bit. Then you have a realized soul and a little child sitting. He said, “I was [UNCLEAR taking] it when I entered here. Yes it is there, I know it is there.” It’s so simple because it is vital. It’s important; evolution is the most important thing. That’s how we have become human beings and you have to become something higher. It’s all placed within us very nicely, very safe, very protected. But, of course, we go headlong into every sort of thing and naturally we get damaged. With all these beautiful things within us, I see people doing all kinds of nonsensical things, going into all kinds of extremes; there’s no need to be in extremes. Somebody comes and tells them, “You stand on your head, you’ll get to God.” They’ll go on doing it. I mean, use your logic, use your brain. How can you get to God by standing on your head? If it is a living process, if it’s absolutely living, then you cannot do anything about it, because human beings cannot do anything that is living. At this time, I had told these people who got their realization last time that I will tell them about the Kundalini and the centres and about what they mean. In any case, we have got now books for you also, to go through them and see what it is, and you can read them and you can find out about it. But in any case, I will tell you little bit. Here is the chart. This is the Kundalini here in the triangular bone called as sacrum. This is not important to know, but I am just telling you, because you’ll have curiosity later on, “Where is this Kundalini?” This Kundalini is placed in the triangular bone here, called as sacrum. Now sacrum means sacred; so the people knew about this, that it is a sacred bone. This bone is placed very securely at the base of the spinal cord. This is kept there as a residual force, but it is the energy of your desire of becoming one with the Divine. It is not yet manifested. That’s why it is called as a sleeping Kundalini; it means that power has not yet manifested. On the left-hand side this power that is within us is the power of desire. On the right-hand side, there’s another power which is the power of our action. [The left side] is the one that gives us our emotional life, our emotional side. This gives rise to the left sympathetic nervous system and is also looking after the psyche, which the psychologists talk about. But most of them are half-baked, so they just know about this part of the Kundalini, which they call as the ‘psyche.’ They know very little and when they try to do anything about it, they are so unauthorized that they create problems for others and create problems for themselves. They have no idea as to what we are, and they just try to meddle with your psyche, creating great problems for you. [On the right-hand side] is the power of action which is responsible for our mental and physical efforts, because when we go into action, we put in effort. This is the area where our future lies [right side] and this is the area where our past lies [left side]. Past of our present life and beyond that is the collective Subconscious which is beyond that. Beyond this line [right side] is the Supra-conscious, [which] is the future, and beyond that is the collective Supra-conscious. These are the areas that are within us and the material side is below, and the hell is below that. When we start getting any experience in life – say, a person is sitting and suddenly he starts jumping. He thinks, “I have got Kundalini awakening.” How can that be? If there is Kundalini awakening, you are in charge of that; you know you are the master. If you do not know what is happening to you, it is somebody else who is doing the tricks. Maybe you have moved too much onto the left-hand side and some spirit has possessed you, and he is making you jump. That cannot be any spiritual experience; spiritual experience is only one and when you get it, you become master of your Self. Unless and until that happens, one should not accept anything as a spiritual experience. For example, a master, so called, who lives in Tibet or something, who has died and who is giving experiences. All this is all absurd things. You are your own master, no doubt, but you have to be made into it. Unless and until you are connected to the mains through this, unless and until you are baptized, you are not your Spirit. You are to be actually baptized, in the sense it’s a living process. Just like a seed sprouts, a seed’s primule comes out. In the same way, this Kundalini has to pass through all these chakras and enter through your fontanel bone area, awakening this centre. It sucks in the Ego and Superego, which is created by these two powers here – Superego and Ego – and just creating a portion of the head here, which is called as the fontanel bone area, very soft, and the thing gets out. You can feel the cool breeze of the Kundalini. The Spirit resides in your heart. Nobody knows. They said, “God is in me.” Where is He? Where is He placed? He resides in your heart but you are not aware of it; it is not in your conscious mind, it is not in your central nervous system. It knows about you, but you are not conscious of it. When the Kundalini passes through these various centres and pierces through this one, then the seat of the Spirit is here, the seat of the Spirit. And that’s how, when the Kundalini touches there, the seat is informed, like the seat of your government is Washington: wherever may be the President, if the information goes to Washington, he is informed, like that, this is the seat. And when it informs, the Spirit knows about it, and then you start feeling the cool breeze, the emitting of the cool breeze in the hands which is called as the cool breeze of the Holy Spirit. Some people asked me that, “Is it cool breeze or hot breeze?” You know that when there is any friction, even in the matter, it creates heat. So, it has to be cooled, but not very cooled; it is not very cool. If you become extremely cold, that also means that your left side is all blocked. If there are imbalances in you, like you are too much emotional, then you’ll go more towards this [left] side, and this side is very, very vulnerable. And once you start going too much on that side, there are areas built within you which are called as Collective Subconscious. The other day, as I told you, that cancer is caused by the attack of proteins – which are called as Protein 58 and all that, because the scientists don’t know what they are – they come from this area. They say it comes from the areas – I mean, the doctors are honest, because whatever they know, that’s what they say – it comes from the areas which are built within us since our creation. We call it as Collective Subconscious. We know all about it because you will, yourself, see when you get your realization, that all these things are there and they attack. This left-sided attack gives you a thing like cancer and many other troubles like mental problems and schizophrenia and all such things. Right side movement too much, where these are all the psyche people like Mr. Freud, who was really half-baked and a funny person, who said that you should not allow any conditioning upon yourself and do as you like. He didn’t know that there is another power within us. If you try to do as you like, then what happens? You start living a life of an Ego, where the whole life becomes an ego-oriented life. You do not accept any conditioning, nothing. “I’ll do as I like, I’ll live as I like; I’m a free person.” Free doesn’t mean license, so I have a license to do what I like – I am a free person, I can do what I like with myself.” And then you start leading a life of Ego. If you have this left-side problem, then the problems attack you in the sense that you feel depressed, you feel very unhappy, you feel as if the whole world is going to be collapsing on you, and you are extremely receded from life. You become recluses with this left side. But with the right-side, you are riding a very fast horse, we have to say in a way that the people who are, say, very dominating type – Hitler is the extreme of that, you can say. But now, Mr. Hitler, if you went and told him that, “You suffer from ego,” he would have killed you; he can’t bear that. And this kind of a thing, when it comes in you, this ego-orientation, is more dangerous, because you harm others and you are not aware of it. So both the things are harmful to you. You have to lead a life of a balance, in the centre. This balance, if you achieve by using these two powers, like the brake and the accelerator within you, you develop that balance, and [when] that balance is achieved, then you lead a very simple, balanced life. But, as I said, if somebody comes and tells you, “You have to stand on your head,” you’ll go on standing on your head. If they say, “You must have so much of waistline, so much of this thing,” they will be jogging throughout. If anything you tell them, they will go to such an extreme end that either they’ll jump onto the right side or to the left side. When you go to the left side, the experience can be like you might feel that you are seeing things from somewhere, or you might feel that you are jumping in your bed. The other day, I met a man who said that, in his dream, he saw somebody coming and piercing into his forehead, and since then he’s sort of immobilized. All sorts of experiences you can get if you go to the left-hand side. Some of the drugs can take you to the left and some take you to the right. LSD takes you to the right, by which you start seeing things like you see colours and things – you go to the Supra-conscious area. The Supra-conscious area is more dangerous, in a way, to the seekers than the other side, because – like you get Supra-conscious people who start seeing something written on the wall, they start getting things in their hand, they start prophesying and all sorts of things they do. All such people think they have become God. This is a very dangerous situation. They always think that because actually they are held by some busybodies who are making them evil. These are actually the busybodies. We have one very good example of Dr Lak in England; he died, but a very ambitious man. And he could not complete his thesis, what he wanted to do about surgery. So his spirit entered into a soldier who was fighting in Vietnam, and this soldier – he didn’t enter into his own son – he told this man that, “You go and see my son in England and you start a curative centre of this late Mr. Lak”, I mean, he’s dead, “and I will help there; you better go and see my son.” This fellow in that possessed state, went to the son and the son said, “Alright, how am I to believe that you are my father, that my father is haunting you?” He said, “I will tell you so many things that we did together secretly.” And he was amazed. He said, “Alright, let’s start the thing.” And they have got this kind of an institute where, if you are suffering from some disease or something, you have to write to that institute. What they do, they will tell you, “At 5 o’clock, on such and such date,” – they are honest, I should say – “we’ll enter into your body and cure you.” They will cure one disease but, because of this extreme push this side, you are again pushed back on the other side, rebounded – and you may develop a horrible nervous system. You might become lunatic, you might become mad. People who have been his patients are worse patients now, and I have been treating them in India, many of them. So, such organizations exist and they start telling you about many things like, “Oh, if you go this side, this will happen.” I mean, it’s a very subtle behaviour of these horrible people, these busybodies, and they really try to spoil you. Now, many of the gurus who come here – these so-called gurus – either work on this side or that side, or sometimes both sides. They use the spirits to mesmerize you, first of all. They will use any spirit to introduce in this centre, for example – an Antichrist will touch this one. And I know of somebody who is here – an absolute Antichrist; he touches this centre, and creates problems in you and produces within you a symptom just like blood cancer. There’s another one who wants to teach you how to fly – he gives you epilepsy, simple thing like epilepsy. There is another one who gives you cancer; there’s a third one who gives you a heart attack – they are experts on giving you diseases; all one better than the other and in the long run, you find all your money is lost, you are lost, there’s nothing left with you [and] you are a recluse. There’s somebody who has made his disciples so funny that they are even afraid of the vegetable, like a garlic – you show them the garlic, they’ll run away. If you show them a lemon, they’ll run away. These people have worked on you because you are naïve. First of all, you have money. They have no interest in the poor people of India. They have no interest in looking after people who understand them. They have only interest in you who are naïve, who are simple people, who have money and, best of all, you are that category which is the seekers. You are born specially to seek your Self; you are a special category. Everybody’s not like that. In this place, New York, there may be many seekers, I agree. But this category is not with everyone. There are few human beings, relatively to itspopulation, who are really seekers, and these special categories have to become prophets and they have to make others prophets. It was prophesied by a great poet like William Blake. We should read all these things and understand that, even Sahaja Yoga, has been prophesied in the Bible. In all the Puranas, in all the books, it is prophesied that, in these modern times, this is going to happen: that thousands of people, who have been searching God in their previous lives, are going to receive their blessings and they are going to become that. Under these promises you start going to these people, but they cannot cure you because they are not authorized. They are not here to give you realization. They are here to make their money. They are parasites, they’re absolute parasites. Say, now today as he said, my husband is well placed, maybe he might come from a rich family or whatever it is. I don’t have to depend on you or anyone. But, supposing I was like Christ, a carpenter’s daughter. So, I would have lived like that; it makes no difference whether you are rich or poor. To me, comfort has no meaning: I can sleep here, I can sleep anywhere. Yesterday, we went to Boston and it was a small little room of a student… we were six, seven people, we all slept together; no problem for us. In my house, I have bedrooms, I have everything – too much of a comfort – and it falls upon me; I don’t like it. A person who is a holy person doesn’t seek others’ money and doesn’t live like a parasite. For example, you see yourself, if I tell you, “I give you money for your living,” will you accept, anyone of you? And these people are doing nothing for their living; they are living on your money, they are having Rolls Royces and this and that. A saint has no interest in these points. Like, one of them who is nowadays here, who has now become a Yankee, they say, he told to English people, he wrote to them that, “If you want me to come there” – they’re all mad after him! They said they have got knowledge. What sort of a knowledge, one only knows. That, “If I am coming to England, you have to give me a Rolls Royce.” The poor boys, in England – as it is, people are not so rich. Young people don’t have so much money – and they starved themselves, ate potatoes, did this and that, and they created a fifty-ninth Rolls Royce – I mean, he has already fifty-eight – this fifty-ninth was created and this fellow very nicely came to receive the Rolls Royce. You ask them, “What has he given you?” “He has given us knowledge, we are in knowledge.” They look just like possessed people they are moving and they are going down. Those people who come from that area have mostly blood cancer. And they just live as if they are not living. It’s such a horrible thing. What knowledge have they got? If you have knowledge, you should know what’s happening in another person, you should get collectively conscious, you should become, it’s actualization and it should happen to you. You should feel that, as you have shown here, that all these centres you can feel on your fingers. You should feel your own centres and you should feel the centres of others. You should become that. If you are satisfied with what you have done, and what wrongs you have done, we cannot cure you. You have to know that you have not found it and you have to get to it, in all honesty and sincerity. And throw away all that is nonsensical. Then only it works out and this has to happen to you, that you start feeling all these centres here. Now see, you can see the colours that are given separately onto this. Now, for example, this is the left hand and left hand means the left side of this one. Now this one, if it is catching – if you feel heat, if you feel any catching, if you feel that there’s burning in this finger, in this thumb of left hand – this is all left side, is the psyche; means somebody has tried to disturb your psyche in an unauthorized way. Most of the gurus have this. All the left side can be caught up by them, but specially this one is the sign that you havebeen to somebody who has been unauthorized, anyone. You can go to a spiritualist, is a most dangerous game to have a spiritualist. I was surprised, somebody told me, “Mother, You are going to America. Now they have started witchcraft also. [UNCLEAR]. It’s magic.” They told me, “It’s much worse now. It was better ten years back; now it’s witchcraft. You’ll be facing people who have been doing witchcraft, they are doing all openly.” And they warned me that, “Maybe you may not be able to do anything there”, but I don’t think so; it’s much better than I expected and I’m very happy about it. So, this is what happens to you, is that, when you start doing something like that, you start showing here. Now, this one is this side, left side of this very important centre. This one shows that you are guilty, you feel guilty; you are diffident. When the Spirit approaches this point, it makes you all the time feel guilty; you feel guilty for everything. What is there to feel guilty? I mean, you have not murdered anyone; real murderer will never feel guilty, but the one who has done nothing all the time starts saying, “Oh, I should not have said this, I should not have done this, I should not have gone there.” All these feelings come to you from Left Vishuddhi. It can be from the kind of training you have had. For example, mostly I have seen Catholics because they have to go and confess. Even if they have done no sins, they have to go and confess because the priest must have his existence, somehow. This kind of a thing, if you have that, you have to go and confess some sort of a sin. You may even coin [some] of your own, because you don’t know what to talk to him if you have not committed any sins. So all these things are settled down. You must know, all the sins and all the blasphemy, everything that you have done is going to be forgiven, has to be forgiven. If it is going to be en-masse realization, all these things have to be forgiven. It’s written; I was reading the other day Pilgrim’s Progress and he has said that all these things will be forgiven. Is promised. And what sin can you commit? What guilt can you have? If God is ocean of forgiveness and love, what can you do? He is going to cleanse you. He is going to bless you. He has to do. So what’s the use of feeling guilty all the time? But that doesn’t mean you should feel arrogant on the other side. This side you’ll feel guilty and the right side, if you have a catch on the right side, that means you have been very much aggressive. Or you may be suffering from [UNCLEAR cold] or all these things; these are suggestive of physical side. The right side is for physical and mental side. All these things you can verify gradually. I would suggest that you should get your realization first; first thing first. Let’s open your eyes; let’s you have the light within yourself and see for yourself how it works, alright? Should we have that? And also we’llhave some questions. They’re already feeling it. You are feeling guilty now. Yes, that’s true, you are already feeling it. This is a very common disease in the West, to feel guilty, it’s a very common disease. We Indians never feel guilty, you know? They have other things but not this, thank God. They have many other problems, terrible ones, unbelievable… As I was telling you, we don’t know how to advertise; we’ve done our level best but people don’t come to reality. You have one mesmerizer here. All of them stayed for this [UNCLEAR]. We tried everything, I don’t know how to reach to the seekers; I don’t know what they are seeking. They want all the circus – I don’t know what they want. Hmm. So, any questions? Yesterday I told you about Christ, isn’t it? When He is awakened, I told you that. You were there for the lecture? When He’s awakened here, that the Ego and Superego are sucked in. That is what is promised, that He is the one who sucks Ego and Superego, but He’s to be awakened. First thing that happens, when Kundalini rises, that you find there is no thought in your mind. There’s no thought, you have become blank, first thing. Then when it pierces through, you start feeling the cool breeze. It’s so simple, he can’t believe it. You don’t know, there was a gentleman who came to me, he’s an actor in London. He came in a program, and when he got it, he laughed and he couldn’t bear it. He said, “Mother, I will go out and laugh now, aloud.” He went around and laughed. I said, “But why did you laugh so much?” He said, “I did all kinds of acrobats. That’s why I was laughing. It’s so simple.” Imagine. People have written books after books and so much of nonsense they have done, I tell you. You can’t imagine. All trash. Are you alright now, better? Now you go on saying, “I’m not guilty” in your heart. Put your right hand on your heart. Yes, now… again, say it thrice. alright? We’ll work it out, but you just say, “I’m not guilty.” You have put your own load here. Better now, see. Remove it. Seeker: Ah, I’m not guilty. In my heart, I try and it hurts, but I feel a heat here. Shri Mataji: It is little there, but it’s better now, gradually. How many years you have been feeling guilty? Seeker: About a year. Shri Mataji: It will work out. Seeker: You say, the realization – is it a connection that you want us to achieve or to understand, between the Spiritual… in other words, the connection of the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Of course, of course, it’s the breaking through; you become that. It’s the connection you have established. Like, every instrument has a connecting line, isn’t it? You have to connect it to the mains – you are just to be connected to the mains. That is fantastic. For example, you have a camera or say, you have a television or something like that. If you connect it to the mains, it starts showing its fantastic things. You are like that. Nothing so fantastic. You are fantastic, but you have no self-esteem. I don’t understand, human beings have no self-esteem. I mean, they are top of all the evolution, they are higher than all the animals. Now they are learning the behaviour from animals. We have nothing to learn from them. Have we to learn anything from them? God has placed us so much above. Yes, my child? Seeker: Why are we separated from the Spirit and are we at birth? Shri Mataji: We are separated because of ignorance. We started becoming from amoebic stage to human stage, developing our awareness better and better and better. Like a reflector we are, so the reflector is improving gradually and the reflection of that spiritual life shows better and better till we reach a human stage. Now, here we come at this stage in the process, of the living process, and then we become connected, and that ignorance is finished. We are not separated as such, we are looked after. Like, there is darkness in this room, but you are not separated from light. Only you have to switch on. There is no punishment or anything done to you, no, because you have come from that. Your awareness has started improving. Seeker: You keep talking about the living process. This can happen while you’re alive, it doesn’t happen when you die? Shri Mataji: No, not. You have to live, you have to have a body; if you don’t have a body, this realization doesn’t take place. So some people talk of the dead gurus and all that, it’s not possible. You have to get it when you are living; you have to have the body. Body is the temple as you can say, that if there is no bulb, you cannot get light. There may be light but you have to have a bulb. It has to come in the form of a human being, not in the animals. Seeker: You mentioned here that you are the link of Self realization. So are we, or the people who get Self-realization here, getting their Self-realization through you or… Shri Mataji: No, no, no – your Self. Did they say I am the link? He should not have said that. It means that I am the one who enlightens, that’s all. I am, as one light… you can enlighten also. It should not have said that, it’s dangerous to say such a thing. because if it says, everybody’s ego comes up like that, “Oh, what she is, who is she?” You see everywhere, mostly I have seen in Europe, specially, they said, “Why you?” I said, “You do it; I’ll be very happy. I am a happily married woman. I have a very good husband, my children and grandchildren. I have to do it, day in and day out. If you can do it, nothing like it. I will retire.” If you can do it, nothing like it. To travel like this, work it out, spend your own money, do it. It’s not [UNCLEAR] I must be something special, no doubt, but that you find out later on, not just now. I have to be something special to do it, but that you’ll find out later on. You should not have put it in there, because half of the Americans would not come if they say there is somebody who is a link, because they all think they are already realized souls, great people dropping from Heaven. This is also another kind of a selfesteem. Seeker: Well, do you just have to want it or… how do you get it? Shri Mataji: I think we’ll discover it later on, because I never got it; I had it, that’s the problem. Yogi: No, she’s asking, does she just have to want it, herself? Seeker: Does one have to want it or does one just all of a sudden… be it? Shri Mataji: There is one thing that it cannot be forced. Your freedom is respected. Now you are free. If the egg wants to be bird or not, you don’t ask the egg; you don’t ask, because it’s the animal stage. But in human stage, you have to ask for it. If you do not ask, you do not get it. Nobody’s going to force on you. Neither the Divine is going to fall at your feet that you ask, no. On the contrary, you have to humble down to ask for it. It cannot go to arrogant people. You have to ask for it, in a way. If it works, thank your stars. If it doesn’t work, we’ll work it out later on, but you have to ask for it, no doubt. It’s such a great thing. Only that much you have to do, not pay for it but ask for it, in a humble way. Yes? Seeker: Something disturbs me about the movement – not yours, I’m just saying that you mentioned before that there are so many seekers in the United States and [UNCLEAR elsewhere]. I find it very disturbing to find these people are seeking divinity or spirituality, and yet they themselves are not in a state of purification or do not live in a pure state. I don’t see how the two can reconcile each other. I mean, I think before you realize this realization, this connection… Shri Mataji: You must go into a cleaning process, you mean? Seeker: Yes, exactly, and really to have these desires that are vulgar and so forth, fall away from you… and yet they… Shri Mataji: No, this was done before, and it’s a very slow process which was worked out, that you try to cleanse yourself, but it’s not possible unless and until there’s a realized guru who looks after you, each individual, and all that. Now, the Grace has decided that, first of all, let us start all the machinery, all the cars you can say, secondhand, third-hand, fifth-hand. Let us start; see how far they can go, then try to correct. Unless and until you get out of your car, also you do not know what’s wrong with it. So, unless and until you get your realization, really you cannot know. For example now, I’m an old, ancient guru of olden times, take it like that. Now, you come to me. First of all, these gurus used to test you. They would break you, stand on your head, sit on your legs and do all kinds of things, because they would take only one person, one person among millions, and see that if they could work it out. And they would really work on him and make him do all those things. The trouble is, in modern times, if you tell anybody to do something, they’ll do just the opposite. It’s a very difficult situation. Now think for a moment this point of view: I want you to have your realization because I can’t enjoy it myself. You have to have your realization. I can see that diamond in you; I want you to have it. So what would Mother do? If she has to do something, she’ll go round and say, “Alright, let’s have it.” First you have it and see if you like it or not. Supposing I have cooked the food and you say, “No, I don’t want to have it.” What will I do? “Alright, taste a little bit, see how it is.” Once you jump into it, for these people have got it. Now he’s got realization, he knows the taste of it. Not only that, but without realization, you can’t judge yourself. If I judge you, I say now, supposing I say, “Warren, you have lots of ego.” When he came to me, he was ego like a balloon, like this, you won’t believe. But if I tell him that, he would have punched me immediately, isn’t it? Now you agree then? But this fellow, I didn’t say to him, “You have ego,” or anything. “Alright,” I said, “We give him realization,” then he came down on it. Then I put him into proper state, raised his Kundalini. Then he started seeing his ego. He said, “Oh, God, such an ego I have, Mother. Now what to do with it?” I said, “I’ll tell you how to reduce it.” So, unless and until you have the eyes, you can’t see, and if you tell them, “Don’t do it,” he will do it. Best thing is to give the eyes first to you. You may not see it so clearly but you’ll start seeing it. Then you’ll start improving yourself. You’ll judge yourself. You better judge yourself. It’s much better than I judge you. Then you correct yourself because you can’t just bear it. Yesterday there was a lady, she was suffering from liver – she has not come today – and she told me, “Mother, after realization I got a headache.” I said, “You have a liver? Otherwise you would not attend to it, but now you have got a headache, you’d better attend to it.” So I told her how to look after it; within two days, she’s alright, she’s cured. People become mad and they don’t know they are possessed, till they absolutely land up in the lunatic asylum. To give them judgment power is very important. And how will you make out when he’s a real guru or not a real guru? Even logically you can, but otherwise, how will you make out? Very simple. You just seek [UNCLEAR the light]. So, you must get your discrimination power, but actually while getting it, you really become the master. That’s the simple thing. Now, he has been with me only for eighteen weeks or maybe eighteen months? Eighteen months only; now he is a master. He has established seven centresin seven cities in Australia and he’s come to America, I mean, imported him for you people. But now, you’d better go and look after other people. What’s the question? Seeker: You were talking about the Spirit being in the Heart chakra there, over on the left side. I’d like to know why it’s on the left instead of in the middle, because if the Spirit – it has to do with realization – why isn’t it in the middle in the central Kundalini, instead of on the other side like that, and why is it… and why in…the heart, yeah. Shri Mataji: The heart. Heart is the main thing within us, that’s the last. Once heart stops, we don’t exist: sheer existence. That’s the most important organ that God has given us. Once the Spirit is angry, in any way strained, any way despaired, we just exist, and then we die. There’s nothing left. Heart is very important. That’s why He’s placed there, in human beings, but it comes out, comes out also. It can come out and see, go around and see. But the seat is there. When you will start growing into Sahaja Yoga, you will start seeing how this Spirit manifests and how it grows. It sits on the seat also. Seeker: What does it look like? Shri Mataji: It is now in the heart, but then it comes on the seat, at a point, that’s much different, that’s much later. Seeker: I see. Shri Mataji: Alright? So it has to be brought there; first a seat has to be created properly. Just now, heart is the one, [UNCLEAR it lies just there], it doesn’t… it is not according to our will, it is His will that is important. We have to please His whims also. Seeker: Would You say conscience and soul is … resides in the heart area? Shri Mataji: What is it? Seeker: Conscience; in other words, people – their guilt feelings or their realization of what’s right and wrong – resides in the heart feeling, it comes from the heart area? This knowledge…? Shri Mataji: It’s not that, it doesn’t come; it comes from the Left side, as I showed you. But heart area is the one where resides the Spirit, actually. Seeker: So the soul would be…? Shri Mataji: Soul… and the soul is a wider thing than Spirit is. Because when one dies, only the element, that is the Earth element, dies and the water element also starts oozing out. But whatever remains are the three elements, which are the three auras, plus the Spirit is the source. And the Kundalini also resides on that. After realization, you can see that, you can see so many Kundalinis floating – they have all seen it. You’ll see it, it’s fantastic. You are all fantastic people. Seeker: That’s not the aura necessarily? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no – auras are right side; Supra-conscious. But you actually see these Kundalinis floating around – I’ll show you. Shri Mataji: So what do you say, now? Seeker: How do we do this for ourselves? How do we do this for our Self? Shri Mataji: Now, that’s the point; we are coming to that point now. We should not have put ‘missing link’ on the poster]. Did you put ‘missing link’ or what? Warren: No, no, no… Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no – don’t say all that. Warren: Not the missing link. Shri Mataji: A bit too much. Warren: If it offends you, get your realization first… Shri Mataji: Not offends, but it offends everyone because we should learn from our experiences; Christ said nothing except that He said, “I am the Son of God,” and they crucified Him. One has to be careful. If you say anything like that, people don’t like it. Better not say. Tell them I am just like you, blind – little of my eyes are open, then they’ll be happy. It was very wrong to say that. I didn’t see that, I would have told them. I am anxious not to say. Seeker: It seems to imply that we’re getting your realization, the realization through you– that you are the link to the Eternal. Shri Mataji: But why will you have objection to that? Seeker: I beg your pardon? Shri Mataji: Will you have objection if it is so? Seeker: Well, it would be your realization that we are tasting, because you would be the link if… Shri Mataji: But supposing I am the link. Supposing I am the link, supposing. Take a supposition – then what’s happening? What is the harm? Seeker: What do you mean, “No harm”? But there’s a price for everything. Shri Mataji: No, no – should not; because you must know that unconscious can’t talk to you. Somebody has to come and talk to you, somebody has to decode, somebody had to tell you. It’s not easy to become human being. You know it’s very difficult for the Divine to become this. Absolutely, it’s such a hazardous thing to become a human being, because they are so absurd, so stupid, and you don’t know what to do with them. It’s a very difficult task. I’m shocked sometimes – how can they do it? I mean, I just can’t understand. Seeker: What’s that, that end part of it? Warren: For the Divine to become a human being, she’s saying; for the Divine to become… Shri Mataji: Is a very difficult thing. Divine to be Divine is the easiest thing, but to become a human being, to talk to them, to look after them… Supposing if I am Divine. If you insult me, you’ll be hurt and that I wouldn’t like because I am compassion. Like Christ said, “Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” For the Jews He said so, for the Jews. “For they do not know what they are doing,” because He was frightened. They are crucifying Him and He was frightened for the people because He was compassion. So, it’s a very difficult situation, very sensitive. But you should not have put that, I tell you, it was a mistake. I never saw that. It’s a good pointing out. I know it, people won’t like it. They won’t like it. I think our second one is a better one. Who did that? Warren: It was done for the Australian tour, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ah, Australians are very different from Americans. You should never have done for Americans – no, no, no, no. Australians are very different people, because they were punished once upon a time, their forefathers. So they do not have ego trips much, they do not have. They want a redeemer, they are a very different type of people. Americans think they are the redeemers of the whole world. They are responsible for everything. This is a very different land; you should have never done that. Yes, it’s a very common thing. Americans really think they are going to redeem the whole world. And all the Antichrists are coming and settling down with them. All the Antichrists are, as a result, and it’s such a dangerous situation that I just pray that they would have more sense to understand these are Antichrists – throw them away! Seeker: Could You explain what You mean by the manifestation; how do you see an Antichrist? What does he manifest as? Shri Mataji: He’s a devil, he’s a Satan. Seeker: You know why … I’m very, I mean, as a person it wouldn’t affect me, it wouldn’t bother me. If I see something as, what you call evil, I don’t consider things being evil per se but … Shri Mataji: For this I would just say you get your realization, then you will know how much it bothers you, because you don’t see, that’s the thing. If you don’t see a snake, how will you know how it attacks you? Seeker: Yeah, I know but I mean, as a person that doesn’t like whatever is unrealized? and stuff – you reject it. Why is it so effective as a … harmful adversary … Shri Mataji: Because it kills all your chances of realization, first and foremost. I don’t mind if they are thugs, they take away money from you, make you poor, do what they like; I don’t mind all that. Let them be parasites, do anything; there are so many people like that, isn’t it? There are so many beggars, there are so many thieves and there are murderers, every sort. I don’t mind anything of that kind. But because they spoil your Kundalini, that’s why I have all the objection. You have to have your realization, that’s your right. Seeker: And then do you shrug it off, I mean, does it affect you if you are … if you have… Shri Mataji: No, no, not like that – that’s not true. Warren: No, you shrug off – she’s asking do you shrug off your … all the negativity? Seeker: Yeah, the negativity, that’s what I mean. Shri Mataji: Who shrugs? Warren: She’s asking does one, when they get their realization, shrug off the negativity? Shri Mataji: After realization? Oh, they just run away. Seeker: So I’m saying that, when you see this, you just … that’s why I … I mean people… even before they have realization … Shri Mataji: That a person who is not a realized soul, according to me, is not yet really a person. That’s what I’m trying to tell you, that you are not yet fully that. You have to become that. Now the gentleman is getting very, very … Seeker: Impatient? Shri Mataji: And that should be so because – now, let us not too much go into mental activity because what will happen, you may not get your realization because of mental activities and this centre goes out a little bit. So, let us stop at this point. Let’s have it now. You have to take out your shoes. I’m sorry, because that helps the Mother Earth to take away all our problems. We must get our realization at any cost; that’s the main thing. My only thing is that you must get your realization. What’s that? Warren: Just a tape recorder. Shri Mataji: He’s taping it? Could be dangerous. We don’t allow them to tape; it was the taping that started a lot of organizations this time. Warren (to seeker): Would you mind if it … Seeker: No, it’s turned off. OK. Shri Mataji: Alright? If you want to have tapes, you can have from these people; they have got some tapes of my speeches, but normally we don’t allow people to tape. Because last time, this experience was so horrifying that this time we have decided not to allow people who are not Sahaja yogis to tape. But if you want to have tapes, you can have from these people. Now, it’s all on the left hand, it’s working out, it’s alright. Now, let’s have your hands towards me and close your eyes. Put both the feet on the ground. Both the hands towards me and close your eyes; don’t open your eyes, because when the Kundalini rushes through this centre of Agnya, then there is dilation of the pupils and, if you keep your eyes open, it won’t come up. Close your eyes. This happening takes place and your attention is drawn inside. Put your right hand on your heart. Close your eyes. Ask a question to me, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Seekers: Mother, am I the Spirit? Warren: Three times. Seekers: Mother, am I the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Again. Seekers: Mother, am I the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Now say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” (Seekers repeat three times) Shri Mataji: Now, you have to ask for realization. Say, “Mother, please give me my realization.” (Seekers repeat three times) (Warren to Shri Mataji: Still a little bit left.) Shri Mataji: Now please say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Got it? Good. (Seekers repeat three times) Shri Mataji: Now you have to say, “Mother, if I have neglected my Spirit, please forgive me.” (Seekers repeat three times) Shri Mataji: Alright? That’s it, it will work out. Keep your eyes shut. The Sahaja yogis can see now. Got it? Warren: Just put your right hand … yes, he has Mother. Just put your right hand above your head. Shri Mataji: You got it. You can feel it on your head if you have got it. All the Sahaja yogis can come and see. Warren: Feel ok? It’s coming out of the top of your head? You feeling it there? Shri Mataji: Those who have been to other gurus should say, “Mother, I am my own guru.” Seeker: I can feel his, the same – he’s got it, he’s got it. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes you can feel. He’s got it, she knows. Seeker: I don’t even have to feel it … Warren: Are you feeling it on your hands? Seeker: It’s coming all out of you. Shri Mataji: (laughing) Yes, Yes, he’s got it, yes. Have you got it? You didn’t say anything. You were keeping quiet. You should have said it. You are catching on the Vishuddhi, and if you had said it, it would have opened up. Alright, we’ll work it out. You should get it. We can work it out. Shri Mataji: Now are you feeling it? Slowly, slowly, it’s a very subtle thing. But in the second sitting it is better, isn’t it? It’s more clear. It’s very clear. Oh, it’s hot, alright. You’re alright now, are you? Warren: It’s a pity they can’t turn the air conditioning – the air conditioning’s causing a lot of disturbance. Shri Mataji: No, no, no – it’s alright. You believe it, it is there. yesterday, somebody who got it thought that the window was open, and then he went into the cellar to see, and still it was there. Are you alright now? Good! I’m very happy the second sitting you got it. It’s good. So changed, so changed. Look at this gentleman. Are you alright now? See, you have got it; second sitting, you have got it. Now, what about this gentleman – you got it? Did you feel, my child? No? Alright, I’ll work it out. Warren: She’s feeling it in her left, but not in her right. She thinks too much. Shri Mataji: Agnya was, too … that’s why I said we stop it there! That should work it out. Here, keep your eyes shut. Now, you have to forgive; go on forgiving – “I forgive”, say. How easy is that? Seeker: I forgive Shri Mataji: Again (seeker repeats twice) Shri Mataji: I forgive everyone.(seeker repeats, Shri Mataji is working on her – Forgive, forgive, forgive.) Shri Mataji: Ah, forgiving’s not there – now forgive. (Shri Mataji and the yogis continue to work on all the seekers)

9/26/1981

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Are We Master Of Ourselves?

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Public Program Day 3. New York (USA), 26 September 1981. It’s nice to see so many people who have got realization and who are in New York. New York is a very pivotal place in the history of spirituality. It is absolutely the centermost point, of a very important chakra, which is the Vishuddhi chakra. You are stationed at this point. That’s why Americans talk of very big things, of universal things, of universal consciousness, they talk of solving the problems of the world, they talk of the liberty of the whole universe, and their attention is all very widespread, because you stand at that point. New York is really placed at a very pivotal point, no doubt, and that’s why you are attacked the most. The attack comes because they know that here is the place one has to attack, the negativity is a cunning. It is very difficult for you people who are seekers, who are earnestly seeking, who are [a] special category, who are the men of God, to understand the cunning of the negative. There is no way that you can find it out. Like in India it’s easy. Because Indian scriptures have described, described them at length into all details what is the hell, how the people who are negative act, how they affect you by their mesmerism, how they take advantage of you, how they come in a garb or wearing the - as they say sheep skin by the bhoots. Though we have read about it in the Bible, and we have heard about it, but still, as Christ’s life was only for three or four years, we should say, it has not been made so clear-cut to us. Naturally I don’t blame you if you were misled. Actually I came to New York, was nine years back, and Warren must have told you. But I found that people still need more maturity here, because they are busy with their own ideas about things, and they were given more through circuses and elaborate presentations, they would not accept a simple thing, a very, very simple thing, that is Sahaj Yog. One must know, whatever God does, is the simplest of all, but is also very difficult, because it’s a mystery. Like a flower becomes a fruit: they have never bothered even to find out how it happens, you cannot explain, can you explain? Can you explain how a seed sprouts? We can’t explain anything on that level of how, with all our scientific things we have done, with all our great enterprises, the big things we talk about, we cannot explain, that is a mystery, that is the mystery. And this is what we should know, that these people who come to us, create a mystery out of them, and try to impress you. As I said before, I don’t mind. Let them earn money, they are people without any background, they are people… some of them have been in literally like beggars some of them, came out of the jail, such things like that. For them money might be very important, I don’t know why they do it. It’s really, they don’t perhaps know also what they are doing, it’s absolutely dangerous for them and for others. But some of them are real devils. They are quite aware as to what they are doing. Some of them are anti-Christ. Absolutely born on 666 [inaudible words]. They can be proved as anti-Christ, once you become a realized soul. But this mystery of a living process, is to be understood even logically, not rationally but logically. Logically we can approach at a proper conclusion to understand what is good and what is bad. What are we to expect, what should be the seeking. As I have told also before, that if you become something else, if you become master of yourself, if you know how to handle this power you have got, then you have achieved what was said to be born again. Not when you play into the hands of others, like stupid people just moving without any understanding into what direction we are moving like, just herds of sheep driven into sea or into any ditch God only knows. With our own ideas if we are identified also there could be a danger, so we should keep ourself absolutely open and logically come to the conclusion to find out: what are we seeking? Are we seeking slavery? America always talked about the liberty, and fraternity, and all those things. What is fraternity? Is collective consciousness. They are talking of all these big, big things, without realizing that a day will come when they will all have to become. And because you talk so big they have attacked you also. Because they know that the Unconscious has revealed the great truths to you, great things to you, that’s why they attack you. This attack is so subtle, that it is impossible for anybody to find out where you are being attacked. After coming to New York this time, I found out some new methods of these people that are trying to betray the truth. But truth will be established, truth has to be established. It takes time. It will have to be established. But those who do not accept it will be destroyed. No doubt about it. You have to accept the truth: it’s for you, for your good, for your evolution. And those who do not want to accept, they’ll have to accept the falsehood. And falsehood leads you nowhere but to destruction. It is not realized it, still, that, in a country like America, we are not going to be destroyed by Russia or by any external force, but by the building internal force of insecurity, and also of ignorance. We’ll be gradually destroyed to such a state that nothing will be left out of us, and people will just see some bubbles on the shores talking of big things. It is we who have to save ourselves first, we have to build up ourselves first, we have to become ourselves inside so that we become strong, so that we know we become the masters. It is not the mastery of the world, but the mastery of your Self, which you should have. A person of Christ’s caliber came on this earth. And was accepted by Americans, legally accepted. He cannot be arrested I think now if He comes to America. But how will you recognize Him? Is there any method by which you recognize? I can tell you this much, that if He comes here, even if He is not arrested, He won’t stay here for one day more than I can stay. The reason is, when you are talking to the media here, you think you are talking to the walls! If you go and see in other places, the media is sensitive! Because they have received so many shocks I believe, that now they are so stunned that they don’t want to have anymore! But take the other way. Supposing you have lost a diamond, and somebody tells you there is a diamond here. Why not see? I can tell you, if somebody says there is a diamond freely available, people will start coming all the way from Australia and all [secluded/sort of?] places, from Japan, to get that. But when I say that it is free, I mean, today the sahaja yogis here were telling Me that if you say it is free, Americans won’t understand. They think whatever is free cannot be alright (laughs), it cannot be alright, something wrong there, something snag. Just imagine. How can you sell, it-Self? It’s an insult, it’s an insult of God. It’s an insult of Divinity. Remember Christ took a hunter in His hand to beat all the people who were selling things. And you believe that you can purchase God, it’s another nonsense. God doesn’t understand money, He never knew what money is. Neither He’ll know what money is. It is you who have created money and all the problems that have come with it. Now God’s message, His laws, His kingdom is very different. He has got communications, which are very subtle. His ways and methods are so great that unless and until you come into His domain you won’t understand how great He is. And His creation’s this. He has to save this creation of His, it is He who is more anxious, it is He who wants to do it. It is His own method of bringing forth this special evolution by which you enter into His kingdom, because He is the loving Father, the Father who is the most loving of all, and wants to bestow the highest upon His own beloved children. He has made you so beautifully, so beautifully He has made you, here you can see that (She shows the chakra chart). Again, artists have tried to make it beautiful but it is not that beautiful as you are. You are really beautifully styled. I can see that beauty, and you will also start seeing and enjoying the beauty of others once you get your realization. This is your Kundalini (She points to sacrum bone) – I’m sure Warren must have told you about all the seven chakras you have. I have heard people are doing here called, something called ‘chakra therapy’, and I laughed at that. And a lady asked Me, “They take such a lot of money, Mother, for this chakra therapy”. Now just ask the one who does that, that how much money did you pay to create these chakras within you? How much money did you pay to become a human being? What did we do to get this beautiful body of ours? How much did we pay to be just breathing? Imagine, for your breathing if you have to pay money, dollars, first of all you can’t get more than two hundred exchange here, and how will you exist with that two hundred if you have to pay a dollar every breathing? This is a thing we forget, that we are living human beings, and that living process has been always a mystery for human beings, and will remain a mystery till you get realization. So far we have done nothing living, nothing living. All this is dead, can you find anything that is living here, is done by you? For example, the growth of these beautiful things, can you achieve it? Nothing. At the most, if there is mud, you can create a pot. Look around: can you do anything living? And the One who does billions and billions of such things every moment, cannot be forgotten. You may not face it, but that’s a fact, He exists. There is a power that exists which brings forth all these things. Now within us is a power, is the Kundalini. And this Kundalini is a living power. This is a power which is residual, we call that, because it has manifested the whole, the whole universe and everything, and still it has not manifested itself because it is the residual power of your desire to be one with the Divine. Unless and until that has happened, unless and until you are baptized – in the real sense, the way John the Baptist did, not just somebody coming: “Alright, I baptize you”. It’s all artificial, it’s all a drama. I’m Myself born a Christian, I used to laugh aloud as a child, I used to laugh aloud: “What’s this drama going on? No Kundalini rising, nothing, and they are baptizing!”. Baptism, John the Baptist could do, because he was a realized soul. Those who are not realized cannot give realization, they have no authority. Alright, even say, in ignorance you believe that you can do it. But now, when it has come to reality, must you not accept it? Must you not get it? Why this obstinacy not to get it, I can’t understand. And this is what is wrong with our rationality, that we can justify everything that we know, like: “I believe”. Now if you believe that Kundalini is here, what can I do about it? It is not, it is not, it is here. But because you have read a book which was nine hundred pages, naturally you have paid so much effort, you have every reason to believe in that book (She laughs) because you have put it so much of effort that you can’t get over it: “Now I’ve done Mother, what am I to do now? I believe in it”. Like the other day one fellow said – there’s one anti-Christ, and he said that: “I’m taking his name for the last ten years, now how can I forget it?”. If you have lost something, and you are searching it, and truly, even for ten years, and if you know that that is not the way you find it, you will give up. Is common sense, is absolute common sense one should have to understand that within us God must have placed something beautifully to work it out and… The chakras and all that they have started talking quite alright, some borrowed feathers from somewhere I don’t know how; I don’t know if they know about the chakras also besides see what they are like, how many centers they have got, and how many they control, and they how they work out. I have no idea as to how much they know and how much they have learnt, because you can read any book, some tantrikas or somebody unauthorized might have told them something and here comes the book. In America I think it is easiest to publish any book. Nobody says no to anything that no sense (and that?), so all kinds of (books?) they may have (wrote?) And people are very fond of reading, I was coming by plane and one gentleman finished three books, sitting next to Me. I was amazed at his speed, the way he was reading. This kind of reading gives us a blurred idea, a confusion, about God. One has to know that if you become the reality, you should be able to reason the reality, you should be able to discriminate, you should be able to see reality. For example somebody says: “Oh, I am a person who is born again,” or say “I am a realized soul”. Alright, if you are a realized soul, can you tell Me what is the problem with this gentleman, can you tell me what are the centers catching in this gentleman, or can you tell Me what are your problems? At least minimum that much you should know. They said: “No, no, that we don’t know, but we are born [again]”. This is self-certification, I mean, if you give a certificate to yourself – I am the President, President of America – you don’t become. Like some people say: “I’m Omkara” By saying ‘I’m Omkara’, do you become? You have to really become. Actually become. It has to happen within us, that’s why becoming is the crackdown point. We should ask ourselves: what did we become? Are we master of ourselves? Now one may say that, ‘What is the authority of Mataji?’. I have heard a thing like that (laughs). It’s correct! I don’t say you should not challenge the authority. But whose authority will you accept? Best authority is yourself. If I say My authority is Christ, if I say My authority is Rama, is Shri Krishna, and all the ancient scriptures and all the scriptures, and all the great poets who have sung the song of the truth are My authority, you won’t be able to relate. But the best thing is you yourself should be the authority to judge Me. You yourself should know and see for yourself. It’s like you bring ten people in the room who are blind, there are no lights, and there you say that the color of these flowers it is red. Then you will say: “What is the authority of yours that these flowers are red?”. Now, because I can see! “But we cannot see, so how are we to believe?” So best thing is that I open your eyes, and put on the lights, and you see for yourself. You can also relatively see. For example a person who first time has never seen a red color, or a blue or a black, then how are you to tell him? You have to take something as an absolute, you can say: “Alright, if this is red then that is red, that is called as red”. In the same way we can relatively also judge this. The other day I told you an example, you take two people who are suffering from cancer, two people who are suffering from say lunacy, and two people who are suffering from fake gurus (laughter, laughs), and two people who are realized souls. Or - and take two people who are not realized. Let’s take like that, a group. Now, the person who is sitting before us - you can see yourself, not because of Myself - the one who is from lunatic asylum or who has got problems, mental problems, will be shaking, like that. Some will shake little, some will really rackle with it, absolutely rackle. Then, if you want to see the person who has got cancer, he’ll be emitting heat so much, so much, that the whole room will be filled with hot air. Now, the third person, who is realized, will feel cool breeze. Tremendous cool breeze, peace and bliss. And the one who is not realized may little bit feel the cool breeze, may feel hot, you see, the mixture of everything, so he’ll feel all the mixtures. Now you ask the lunatic “From where do you come?”, they’ll say: “We are certified mad coming from lunatic asylum”. You ask the patient, he’ll say that “I’m from such and such place”. But people do not want to see this fact. Is very simple to verify. Now moreover, the credibility of a person who is taking money from you, taking everything from you, is putting you on the street, who is making other people mad, has to be challenged. Instead of that they will challenge My credibility, but not of those people – the reason is you are no more there, you are hypnotized, you will not. But here you are free, and you should challenge. I appreciate it because of freedom, is an expression, you are free to challenge. But that doesn’t mean freedom is a license to again drift into nonsense. You keep your mind open, receive your realization. I do not know in what words to say that you are the ones who have been seeking truth for ages now. In the mountains, in the hills, in the dales, in the Himalayas, and all over you have been seeking for thousands and thousands of years. You are seekers, you are a special category of people, and you must seek it, you must find it, instead of it you seek your hell. What can a person like Me feel about it? Is such a tragic thing, that the one who is really seeking the reality is lost. I wish you could understand My concern and My anguish, that: look at these people, they have been seeking, seeking God, they are such nice people, such good people – are being harmed, have been tortured, are now on their way to hell. It’s a very, very sad situation, and that I am trying My level best to convince you that you seek the truth. You ask for the truth. And you get it, establish it, and save others who are being ruined. Because they will be seeking in any case whatever you may try, till the end they will be seeking, till they are drowned completely. They are seekers. Today we were coming and one of the sahaja yogini was sitting at the back in the airplane. And there was a fellow sitting next to her who was reading some book on meditation. And she, she asked him, ‘Are you a seeker?’. He said: ‘Yes, I am’. And he got his realization in the airplane. She herself has come to Me I think, about few months back. And she gave him realization and he got his realization. You could see from his eyes, absolutely sparkling eyes he had. You could see he could feel the vibrations and the cool breeze. And then you learn further steps how to organize it, how to maneuver it, how to manage it. So you have to be connected with the mains. You have to become divine. Not that you are not, you are; but you are not aware of it. It is not in your conscious awareness, it is not in your central nervous system. Whatever is in our central nervous system is our achievement in our evolution. And you have to attain a little more step and you become that. Like a triggering into the space has to take place. This has to happen, and this will happen, that thousands of you are to be saved. In some countries it has worked wonders, especially in a country like Australia, imagine. You had banished them, sent them away as criminals or whatever they [were] – they had children, their grandchildren, and their great-grandchildren are great sahaja yogis. It’s spreading like fire, the media is so sensitive, so sensible. While here I find there is no esmovement [?] in a country where I accepted, and expected that it could be a tremendous thing. Let’s see, let’s see, still I leave it to you people to find out ways and methods of cracking the brains here. Of course England was very difficult too, for four years I was struggling with seven people, no doubt. But English, once they are cracked, they are very wise. And somehow or other these seven people proved it so well, and they found the change because they were drug addicts, they had lots of troubles, and they were about to collapse, some of them were absolutely in a coma when they came to Me, so the change, the tremendous change in them convinced other people. And today we have very good thousand sahaja yogis at least, very good thousand sahaja yogis who are experts, who are masters in Kundalini Yoga in England. Now, as they have told you about all these centers and all these things, today I would like to give a little introduction about it, but later on I will tell you how the key developments in the human awareness started and how later on the whole thing was revealed. And today is the time when one can talk about it so openly. I think you have given them the names and everything of the chakras and everything. But even knowing all about it, is of no help. You must get your realization, only knowing about them in a bookish way is of no use. You must get your realization, that is very important. In India very few people really bother about these things, because they know Kundalini awakening is the only way, like sprouting of a seed. They know that Mother is the one who is going to do it, second point, because Adi Shankaracharya (has seen?) and this and that. Third point they know that once you get your realization you become the Brahmin or the one who knows the Brahma. So in a village I have no problem. Thousands of people, if they come to know that Mother is coming, there could be six thousand people in a village. All will gather from all over and they will get their realization so quick, I mean, so fast, just like an American fast jet. Real fast they do it. In such an American way, that you can’t imagine that it’s like a jet. And all of them getting, and such a wave of beautiful Chatanya Lahari, these vibrations, cool breeze blowing, just like the waves of the sea or an ocean, it’s beautiful to see that many. I mean, coming to America some Indians were criticizing: “Why should You go to America? Why not do it here? In one day You give realization to six thousand people. There one day You might get one and he’ll also slip out”. And they were criticizing My coming to America. That not in a bad way, but in a good way, that “It’s better that You spend Your time in India”. But here are the real seekers. They get it in India because they are too simple; they are so innocent. They have no problems. Here are the real seekers who are like, we can say, the people in a war front, who do espionage, or something like that, a very serious type of work, get complicated, get involved, caught up by the enemies, and tortured by the enemies, which are so dearer. Those are the heroes, and they must be saved. That’s how I am here. And I know that once Americans take it up we can save the whole world. It’s very simple to understand. But the way so far you have been taking up to people is so amazingly foolish that people think that you would never take to Me, because I am too sane, I am too sensible, and they still are very diffident about My work in New York especially. But to see you all here today, I am overjoyed. I have great faith in you, you have no idea how much faith I have. You are born in that special chakra, which is the chakra of Shri Krishna. Is the chakra of the Primordial Being, is the chakra from where the collectivity is (first?). But we have tried everything to ruin it. First of all it is ruined by smoking. Smoke, Christ may tolerate a little bit at that point (Agnya), but not Shri Krishna, He can’t tolerate smoke. He just can’t bear it. And we have been smoking; thank God I have heard that smoking is going down, that spoils this center. Then, on the right side, when we talk big, egoistical, when we try to push down people, specially when we try to dominate, say within husband and wife, which we see all the time if there’s a quarrel going on, your chakra will be ruined completely on the right side. Left side is another problem that comes from feeling guilty. And which is also very common. So these three centers (left, center, right Vishuddhi) that are the most important thing and the most powerful in you people here, [see] how this is attacked. Moreover the mantras and all that which are not awakened by a realized soul, by a holy person, can also ruin your left… (touches left Vishuddhi). Is very common with the people who have done mantras, and chakra, and all of those things without any authority. Because the whole thing comes up here (touches throat), just, and when you take the responsibility of such things on your back, say you take on your shoulders the responsibility of wrong type of people, you can imagine, what would be the shape and condition of that wonderful center (Vishuddhi) which was created in a human being when he raised his head from animal stage to look forward. Is a special thing that happened to us when we raised our head like that, that within us these two centers, these two things like, ego and superego, started developing. We had superego alright, but the ego started developing when we just raised our head from animal stage to this stage. But we do not know that if you raise your head too much backwards like this also, it can be spoilt. That means the ego goes too much … then your head goes down like that. Such people never put down their heads you see. If you see somebody walking like this, find out: he must be something big somewhere, or aware that he is a very big man. So the center that is the Vishuddhi chakra is this America. And you are the people who are the cells of that chakra which can be awakened. You are the cells and you are to be awakened. Once you are awakened you can cure this center and the whole universe will be benefited by that. That’s why I request you to understand your position in the whole cosmos, of the universe, and the important and the pivotal part… position that you have, and the wider role that you have to play, so that you pay attention to yourself, your development, your growth, and you achieve your full maturity in Sahaja Yoga. May God bless you all. I would like to have some questions today, and then after that we can have the realization. Can you open the window? (Warren says something to Shri Mataji) Yes. Tomorrow, as he is saying that many of them have had no idea about the chakras and all that, because they have come for the first time today, but tomorrow I am going to tell you all about chakras and all that. Everything I’ll go gradually one by one. Now I’ll be here for five lectures, and I will see that in every lecture I’ll try to do step-by-step, across the thing. And I will explain you. (Warren tells people about leaflets: “If you don’t have one of these, please take one on the way out”). Shri Mataji: And also put them somewhere for advertising. And moreover there is a book, you can read that, but do not try to remember everything by heart. It will be all your own, the whole knowledge will be your own, it won’t be difficult. So it’s not to be studied, but it’s to be felt. I will definitely tell you all about chakras, and I’ll make you masters. I’m going to make you gurus, every-one of them. Real gurus. There’s one fellow in India, who’s got his realization, and he’s given realization to, as far as I know, ten thousand – but some people, twenty thousand – they say they are twenty thousand people he has given realization. So it’s possible. Yes, please? Seeker says: Mother, I do not mean to be funny, but I felt a cool breeze for quite some time. Shri Mataji: You are not funny! You are very good, you have got it! Seeker: But I cannot tell that whether it was the wind! (Laughter) Shri Mataji: It happens with everyone, because we’ve opened it just now (the window, ndt), alright? There is no wind here, you can see that nothing is moving, you see? Otherwise these things will be moving, you see? Yes, it’s alright, you got it very well, very well. That is a thing I knew you are going to get it. Alright? So nothing to be funny, is the absolute truth. There was a scientist we had, he was from Orissa. And he got his realization. Then he looked at all the windows, and I was just smiling. Then he looked at his… he turned like this, and then he had more from Me, he couldn’t believe it. Then he went home, he shut himself in a cellar, there he put, what you call, a candle. And then [he] put his hands to the candle and the candle started giving him cool breeze! He couldn’t believe it, he thought there’s something gone wrong with him. And now today he is a very great sahaja yogi. Alright? So the first step has started, that proves one thing beyond doubt, that you are a great seeker. Alright? My congratulations. Seeker says that he has feelings for his family and friends, but he has been seeking for a love relationship with a woman without any success, which is causing him a lot of pain, and he does not know what to do. Shri Mataji: See, I’ll tell you what happens. You have got a center here is of the Nabhi, alright? Now out of this, is the left Nabhi here. If it is in a problem, left Nabhi is the center of Gruha Lakshmi. Is the center of the Goddess in the household, or your wife, see. Of course these days you don’t find Goddesses as wives, but still! (Laughter), So, if that goes out, you see, then lots of problems also can come up, but one of them is that you get such a situation. But all such situations can be overcome, all kinds of situations: people who have had perverted relationships also get sorted out, those who have had, what you call, the problems of divorce and sort of a relationship with a woman and they are frightened of women, or the women who are dominating or they don’t know how to stop their domination – they don’t want to dominate but they somehow dominate – all these things will be sorted out. No problem. Next year you will be married very nicely. Alright? We had sixteen marriages (laughter, Shri Mataji laughs) recently in England. One of them was Warren, who was married. And he is a divorcee, and he had given up hopes of marriage. We had sixteen marriages the day of Krishna’s birthday. So don’t you worry. But you have to follow certain understanding of maintaining yourself in a position, see, and I’ll tell you all about it, how to do it. And you will have very good marriages, lasting marriages, not only that; but you’ll have realized souls as your children. There are many who want to be born. And all the sahaja yogis who are married now have got realized souls as children. Because they want to be born, they want parents who understand them, who can bear them, who can look after them, and love them. So you will have everything fine, don’t you worry. And a very nice wife too. Alright? Yes? Seeker says something about subconscious impurities. Shri Mataji: I am happy that you have reached the right conclusion. Don’t you worry, I know how to look after them. That’s all I’ll say. And I will teach you how to do it for others also. You will become Saint Michael in this respect. Alright? And we’ll have to drive them out, all the subconscious impurities. I think we have got our book here, of the Advent. (Warren: “It’s coming up Monday”) Shri Mataji: Alright. In that it is, see, Gregoire, the one who has written the book, has called them as UPI, I don’t know what it means (laughs) but he calls them as UPI, and there are so many methods by which we can drive them out. Eh? What is it? [Warren: Units of Psychic Interference] Shri Mataji: Ah ok! (Shri Mataji laughs) That’s (…) all the invention. Don’t worry. You just don’t worry. Not only yours, but others, you know. When you will go on the road, if they know that you are passing that way, they’ll all disappear. You become so powerful. (Warren says something about the sins of the past) Now will you forget them? Forget it, forget your past. Forget it, that is subconscious, just forget it. Do you know that all the sins and blasphemy is to be forgiven, and it’s been already promised? Because you are saints! So don’t count them at all, forget it. You see, when you wash the clothes, say in a washing machine, will you count all the stains? It’s like that. Kundalini washes you up and cleanses you completely. It’s your own Kundalini, it is pure, holy, your own Mother. She’ll wash it up, don’t you worry. Alright? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: It’s too much to believe, is it? (Laughs, laughter) it is so. Because you don’t know what you are, you are fantastic. (To a lady:) What worries you? What is worrying you? Female seeker says something. Warren repeats: “She thinks she has taken somebody into her house who is not good, and she thinks she is becoming not good as a result of that”. Shri Mataji: See, there are solutions for that kind of thing. If he is really a sinister fellow, he’ll run away. Alright. Or in case he is capable of improvement, he’ll improve. So you become more powerful than them. You see? Is what is more powerful is the point. If the light is more powerful, the darkness has to run away. Alright? So because you still do not know your powers, and to maneuver it, that’s why you are worrying. But once you know it’s very simple. Once you are realized I will tell you how to use it, and you’ll be amazed. Like yesterday I was coming, and suddenly I had to go, and there was no seat available in the plane, and so my husband told Me, “I’m sorry, there’s not seat available for you”, and suddenly he said: “Oh, it’s a miraculous thing, they have said there’s some seat”. I said: “Alright, book Me there”. And two others were coming with me. - See, this is absolutely a material life, absolutely a material level, isn’t it? - And two others were coming, there was no seat at any cost. And two people who had booked for one month before, ahead, dropped out and these two were with Me in the airport [probably meaning airplane – ed.]. So even (?) at a very, very material level they help you. And spiritual level I need not tell you. Even at the very baser material level they help you, because this Lakshmi tattwa is here (points at Nabhi on chakra chart) which helps you for the well-being. Krishna has said: Yogakshema Vahamyam, I’ll look after your Yoga first, Yoga means the union, first you must get your union, and then the well-being, Kshema, is well-being. In America we have got the Kshema first, the well-being, the Yoga is missing still. (She smiles, laughter) Seeker: I wanted to ask a question to Mother. Shri Mataji: Yes, please. Seeker: First I would like to say that You were an inspiration… Shri Mataji: What is it? Warren: You are an inspiration to him, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ah? Warren: You are an inspiration to him. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. May God bless you. Seeker: I am sure all of us have hundreds of questions that would keep You here the whole night, but I would like to say that I would like to become a realized being and give the answers from within. So my question is: after the five lectures, and You leave us, where do we go from there? Shri Mataji: I know, everybody feels sad (laughter). Because you are like small children, you know. But you grow so fast. That you are amazed, you see. You grow. You grow very fast. You’ll all grow. I’m not going to leave you. I’m going to come back again and again, and you are going all to come to India, and we are all going to have a very nice time (laughter). We all belong to each other: how can we leave you? Now. Is it alright, or any other question? Even if you have any personal questions or anything you can write to Me, alright? If you don’t want to discuss it here. And tomorrow morning if they can come to the hotel – (Warren says they will have a workshop at the hotel at eleven o’clock) Here? (Warren: No, at the hotel) The hotel, you can come, I can work it out for you if you have any personal problems or anything, we’ll work it out, alright? I’m here for a complete 24-hours in the hotel. [The lady says that the day before it had been said that you can ask a question and you get the answer.] Shri Mataji: Yes.Lady: And how do you read that, how do you know…Shri Mataji. See, what happens, now say for example you are connected to a mains. Alright? Now the mains is an unconsciousness was so far, it has become a consciousness within you. You are like a computer I would say, to make things easy. It’s a mystery again. So you put your hands and ask a question: “Mother, is there God?”. Just see vibrations. Right? “Mother, is there God?”. And three times if you ask, you get tremendous [vibrations], already must have started. You see, so, that’s how you will know. But if you ask about somebody who is not a real guru, who is not a real person, then you might even get burning. Sometimes you might even get blisters. You may lose your vibrations. The more you grow the more you become sensitive, and you start understanding where you are. Lady: Can you also ask practical questions about your life?Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, you will. In the beginning everybody asks: should I buy this? Or that? (Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs). Then the questions start becoming subtler and subtler, because your priorities change, you know? Whatever level you are, you start asking questions. Then no questions, at a stage which we call… first you get thoughtless awareness, as your… first you get thoughtless awareness. In Sanskrit, it is called as "nirvichar samadhi". Sama-dhi: "Dhi" means your consciousness, and sama-dhi is the one which is enlightened. So, the thoughtless enlightened awareness first. Then the second state is – between these (is a little these two things??) which you have to establish - is called as Nirvikalpa samadhi, meaning doubtless awareness. It is a state; it is not: “I have no doubts about Mother, I have no doubts about Sahaja Yoga”, is not that. And that state is achieved, and at both the states when you are say thoughtlessly aware state, you can give awakening, you can give realization, you can cure cancer, you can cure all kinds of diseases, so many things you can do with the first shot. But much do not indulge in that too much. You can give realization at the most, and then you should jump onto the second stage where you become Nirvikalpa. Means where you are doubtlessly aware. Doubtlessly enlightened awareness. Then you become that. At that stage you don’t start catching from others, such sort of thing; you see, you may feel “This is the finger catching there”, but you don’t get involved with it. It’s a state, it’s a state, in which you mature, which happens to you. Many people, and will happen to all of you, there’s no problem about it. But some people do it faster, some take time, but it happens to all of you. It’s a happening again, maturity. Alright? Female seeker asks if a person who has never been interested and has never come, if this person may be influenced to do this thing . Shri Mataji: Who is not interested? Female seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Forget it. Let them get lost, that’s what they are, they are not interested in their own Spirit, now what am I to do, should I break My head? You have to ask for it. You see, God has given you freedom, this is the problem. You have the freedom, if you want to go to hell you can go directly. Take two running jumps and go. But if you want to have realization, you can get it. Alright? But if you don’t want it, don’t force them, please don’t, you cannot force it. You cannot force it.They - I can cook food for you, all right? I can put it in your mouth. But the enjoyment of eating it, has to come within yourself; you don’t want to enjoy anything, what are we to do? You can’t force it. In the beginning only the seekers are important. They need not be your brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, they need not be anything. Seekers are important, pay attention to seekers. They are to be saved, alright? Once the seekers come up, then these second class citizens will start coming up, you see? Let us see to the first class citizens in the Kingdom of God, then we’ll bother about the second and the third and the fourth. But don’t waste your energy on somebody who is not convinced. You cannot convince him by your brain, you cannot. You see, they are very obstinate people. I’ve told many-a-times, but still you see we are involved with the other people and we try to convince, and - oday only I received a letter saying, “Please, give Realization to mother, she’s very adamant. Give Realization to my father, he doesn’t want to listen to me, give Realization to my sister, she doesn’t believe in it”, all sorts of things, you see. I said: “All right, all right (Mother smiles)”. So, don’t be concerned, have no sympathies of this kind.Sympathy: "Sym" means to share, and "pathy" is the "pathos". So don’t try to share the pathos, all right? Have no such sympathies. Only seekers look after the seekers. And: “Sorry, you are not a seeker”. I also tell them you go away (She makes namaste). You see, there are people who will come and say, “Mother, I once have gone to the races and I lost”. I say, “Now you get lost, you go away”. You see, you can’t give anything to such people, who are on that gross level. Let them be. But first of all let us enlighten those who are capable of enlightenment. They are more important. And not those who are just with very great difficulty are pushed into it and go back as if pushed by a piston, you see, better not have them. All right? So, don’t you worry on such people. Of course you feel concerned, no doubt, but forget it, that’s not- the seekers are too many and we have to look after them. Yes, My child? [The lady asks if people who are really seeking can attain it.] Shri Mataji: No, if they want to have it, you can do it, you see? Even people who are declared as greatest (…) you see, got Realization. Imagine, the other day – imagine - archbishop of black magic got Realization. Can you believe it? Archbishop of black magic. He got Realization. Of course I told people, "Now don’t try all these tricks with such people because see, they will try to tempt even you". So, we are treating him separately. But the person who is supposed to be the archbishop of black magic. I mean, witchcraft. He got Realization. So anybody can get it. But if they do not ask it, you cannot force them, you cannot argue it out, you cannot tell them: ‘You must get your realization’, nothing [of the kind]. If they think they are very wise let them be alone, don’t waste your energy. Instead you can give to ten people who are wanting it. All right?So just find out who is a seeker, also from vibrations you can find out. Those who are seekers will get their awakening very fast, you see. Warren: She says this man is a smoker… Shri Mataji: Who is a smoker?Warren: This man she is speaking of.Shri Mataji: But he would like to have a Realization? Oh, smoking is nothing, even if he is a chimney (laughter) he can get that. If he is a seeker, he has to be seeker, the first primary consideration is that he should be a seeker. It’s nothing, I mean, smoking, everybody smokes, we find [nothing] but this smoke in this world, what to do. But doesn’t matter, I mean, it’s not such a sin. Nothing is a sin in the presence of the Ocean of love. Is it? What is a sin? Nothing. So it’s not so important. Smoking at least. Seeker: Fixation, is that a sin?Warren: He is saying, is fixation a sin?Shri Mataji: It’s not a sin, according to Me nothing is sin now. Forget it. I mean, fixation, I would say, will only drop out through Kundalini awakening, and awareness, and alertness. All fixations can be dropped out, misidentifications can be dropped out, because you become a different person. Like, say, a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, alright? Now, there must be the part of that cocoon sticking on to the butterfly, must be. So you don’t like it, you want to throw it away, just falls off, because it’s all broken out. Like an egg-shell becoming, egg becoming a, say a bird. And the shell is still sticking on somewhere, so the bird doesn’t like it, he throws around. It’s like that. It’s transformation and transmutation. Both things take place. First the transformation which is very easier, you got it just now; but the transmutation you have to work it out a little bit, and they drop out. Little bit power helps you. And you want to do it, you don’t want to have them. Because supposing I have a fixation with, say, a spirit. We’ll catch on this (left Agnya finger), we’ll catch on this (left Swadishthana finger), we’ll get a headache (touches back Agnya). Normally you won’t get a headache till you become mad, you see? But after realization you start getting. Like a lady who had liver trouble. She came to Me, she said: “Mother, my head has gone absolutely heavy now, what am I to do?”. I said: “You have a liver, you get it cured. If you don’t get your liver cured, you’ll have this trouble”. So she tried her best to get it, and you can get it cured just like that (Shri Mataji snaps Her fingers) with Sahaja Yoga. It’s very simple. And she got alright. So fixations also drop out. It’s all ignorance: we will not call it sin but it’s ignorance. [The lady says something to the effect that she was warned by someone that Kundalini caused people problems and one can end up in hospital.]Shri Mataji: Very true, very true, you see. Now what she says is true and I know that. Because it’s not Kundalini that takes place. See, Kundalini is your holy Mother. And not only holy Mother, but she’s the only Mother you have and you are the only child She has. And she’s not going to give you this trouble, but these people who do not know the job at all, who are not authorized, they are extremely unholy people, they are people who should be in hell, and are trying to do these things, and they make you suffer. For example, when you try to excite the Kundalini by any method like that, actually you either move to the left or to the right. They push you to the left or to the right. And if you move to the left you can become mad, and if you push to the right you become stupid. So accept one or the other (laughs, laughter). You can’t take them up there, you see? (She points to Sahasrara on the chakra chart). It cannot be reached. Even they say Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha cannot reach Ganesha, who informs the Kundalini to rise. So, you can imagine. These horrible people, just to make money, are telling you stories and they put you in the lunatic asylum. Not only, I have seen people coming, who went for flying. They paid three thousand pounds to fly. I mean, they must have some brains to understand: why are you flying? Are you going to become birds now? Make your guru fly! I said, why not put them, put him from this Leaning Tower of Pisa, and see where does he fly, upward or downward? (Laughter) You see, when he’ll go down, then you will see that this is the thing he’s doing, and then you are paying three thousand pounds. On top of that what you get is an epilepsy. They are all suffering from epilepsy, you know? It’s true, it happens, I know. But this is your Mother. She just gives you your realization, that’s all. I have never seen one person getting mad, on the contrary mad get well with it. How can it be? You are going to become a Spirit, on your way to that how can you become mad? I mean, supposing you are going to Heaven, and on the way you meet there at station some lunatic asylums? How can you become mad? We should use our brains to see these are horrid people, I agree with you. They are using all kinds of dirty methods, I know. Specially sex. How can you use sex for your Kundalini? Because that’s your Mother. How can you do it? All absurd ideas, I don’t understand. If sex is so important all animals should be realized souls by now (laughter). Not that you have to abhor sex, you have to lead a sane married life, and lead a very decent life and all that, that’s the key to it; but not this kind of a thing that you can raise Kundalini through sex, it’s all filthy, all bathroom culture I think, the way these people talk about. Absurd! So filthy you can’t imagine. It’s filth. I mean, there should be something, our sex is private, isn’t it? We call it as private. But how do we handle them – with these horrible gurus and one of them has come down and settled here in your country. His Vishuddhi’s gone off now. I’m happy about it. Warren [repeats a question by a seeker]: He feels a very nice presence. He’s asking You if there is any initiation that You do.Shri Mataji: I’ve already done it, I think (laughter). I really don’t do anything to be very frank. If you ask the sun: “Do you take the color of the leaves?”. He’ll say: “No”. Because that is his nature. This is just the case. It just flows. I really don’t do anything. Am I doing anything? I’m just talking, that’s all. But it works, it works, it works by itself. Because you are a deserving case. That’s why it is acting. I don’t have to do anything. Alright? Now. You said it was the last question now. Warren: He asked twenty the other time, so… Seeker: Yesterday I told the nice Australian doctor that I was a traditional minister in a traditional…Shri Mataji: Tradition?Warren: He is a traditional minister. He’s a Baptist minister.Shri Mataji: Ah! Then you should really become a Baptist, I’ll make you a real Baptist. The seeker asks how he can relate Self-realization to the scriptures. Shri Mataji: I mean, what am I telling you, everything that is scriptured but in the real sense.[Seeker says something that for him it will be more difficult than for others…]Shri Mataji: You see, they will see your powers. Alright? It’s better to tell them and save them than to allow them to be drowned. Under the name of Christ and God, one cannot do like that. We cannot do like that anymore, it’s all done, I’m so happy you could come here and you could achieve it, you’ll save so many of them. You face the truth, it is so. But I will tell you some questions when you’ll ask, then you be sure you are doing that. Alright now, any more questions? Or are you all enjoying the cool breeze? Lady: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji to Warren: Why did you open? Warren to the lady: What do you say, sorry, I didn’t talk about it.Lady: Yes, you did, when you were talking about the Christian gnostics.Warren: Oh, I mentioned… Mother, I said that the wind of the Holy Spirit is often referred to by the gnostics as the Holy Breath. That’s all I mentioned.Shri Mataji: Ruh, yes, Ruh, means Ruh.Warren: Ruh. And I gave its different names in different scriptures, that’s all.Shri Mataji: But what happened to the disciples of Christ, you see, is a problem I don’t want to raise controversy, all right? What happened to them is a little controversial subject which I will tell you later on. All right? Just now you get your Realization, mature. Because, you see, today you are learning Christianity. All right? So you have problems of Christianity. Those who are studying, say, Hindu religion, they have problems from Hindu religion. Because it is misinterpreted also many-a-times, isn’t it? The one who has misinterpreted does not know that he’s misinterpreted. And only through your vibratory awareness you should find out the absolute truth. Like when I told people that Christ’s Mother was the Holy Spirit, they would not accept it. In India they said: “What did She do? She just used to cry and weep, but the Holy Spirit is supposed to give Realization to people, She didn’t give Realization to anyone”. But She was. So how do you find out? You put your hands towards Me and ask the question: “Mother, was She the Holy Spirit?”. Then why didn’t Christ say that She was the Holy Spirit? The question comes in. It’s with Him, absolutely one can understand that She was the Mother of Christ. And Christ has got eleven destructive powers, with which He’s going to come back. Eleven destructive powers He’s got. About which Bible says nothing, because you see, Christ could not talk to His disciples who were just fishermen. And they never believed Him. Till they saw His resurrection they never believed Him. So, His eleven powers that He had, He could have destroyed the whole world at that time of His crucifixion, but crucifixion had to be done with a special purpose, which I’ll tell you later on, why He was crucified. And He didn’t want to say that, because if anybody would have tortured Her, He would have used all His eleven powers and the whole game would have been over. Alright? So it is a very subtle subject, which you should understand but first you must become subtler. Then you will understand each and everything very nicely on the Kundalini. For example, I say the Christ is placed here, on this point. That He is to be awakened here. When He is awakened, then only the ego and superego both are sucked in. That’s how your sins and your sufferings He takes over. Now, if I say so, why should you believe in it? Isn’t it? But what can happen that when we raise the Kundalini, yourself when you will be a realized soul you’ll see, the Kundalini may stop here. Then you have to take Christ’s name. You have to awaken Him. If you are a Realized soul only, otherwise you cannot. Then you’ll find the Kundalini will rise. Or you have to say Lord’s Prayer, then only the Kundalini will rise. But only a realized soul can do it. Anybody says Lord’s Prayer is a waste. Is a waste. Is not connected. Alright? So it’s a very subtle subject, you be honest about itself, you become that, and then you’ll start seeing everything clearly. As I said that this room is dark, you can’t see anything, so best thing is to open your eyes properly, get the lights on and see for yourself. All right? Because if I say something, it may create the situation of a doubting Thomas, which I don’t want to have. First mature yourself, alright? You must mature all of you. Is a good question you asked, but that’s little further. One need not hang on to anything. Just see for yourself what it is, you must see for yourself. Keep yourself open. Is true, what he said is true, it’s called as Ruh. Is a, is the cool wind of the Holy Spirit and I don’t know if his book is published or not, of Adi Shankaracharya, he’s written a big book about it, Chaitanya Lahari and all that, he’s written it. But I, most of their books are not translated, what to do? I mean, it’s such a big book on this cool breeze. Of course this knowledge of how to use it, and how, what fingers are there, is not yet there, because that was not the time to be given perhaps. But all the teachings I’ll be giving you, and you can verify. You can verify everything. So you must verify. But don’t waste too much time in these things, first of all you mature. And gradually you will start seeing yourself. First thing should be that you mature. That is first thing and important. (Shri Mataji points to a yogini) See, she got Realization two days back, I mean, how many days? Four, five days back. And she can feel everybody’s chakras, she can raise the Kundalini, she can do it. So just do that, first start doing it, all right? First become that.Then you will start understanding this is not important. Is not important. What is important is to understand Christ where He is, how we can awaken Him, all these things are more important. Warren: We should have it? hri Mataji: All right. Agnya is there. Now, those who think, please, this center of Christ itself is catching. Put your hands towards Me and say that: “Mother, I forgive everyone”. (People repeat). Again (People repeat). Again (People repeat). Still there. Should we say Lord’s Prayer. (People recite Lord’s Prayer three times). Shri Mataji: Now see is it coming? Put your hands straight. Here, this side. You are alright? Are you feeling? It’s there? Keep yourself steady. No body movement is needed. Just keep your[self] steady, the Kundalini is inside, She rises by herself, don’t do any body movements because that will spoil it. Just be steady, just keep your eyes shut, (because) if you don’t shut your eyes also the Kundalini won’t rise above Agnya. You have to keep your eyes shut, that’s important. Because you have to get it after all, what is it? You have to get it, you are here to get it, that’s all. Please close your eyes. You are here to get it, that’s the main point, to receive it. Now put your right hand on your heart. Right hand on your heart. And say: “Mother, I am not guilty”. Thrice, three times say: “Mother, I’m not guilty” (people repeat). Now ask a question: “Mother, am I my own guru?”. (People repeat twice). Again (people repeat). Now ask a question: “Mother, am I the Spirit?”. (People repeat twice) Again. (People repeat). Now say: “Mother, please give me realization”. (People repeat twice). Again (people repeat). Ah. (She puts Her hand above Sahasrara) It’s there. Now put your right hand on top of your head and you see a cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. On the head, on top of your, on top. Just on top, see. There will be a cool breeze. Just move your hand and see that if there’s… little higher you keep your hand, and see if there is a cool breeze coming in. Maybe some people might get little hot [She makes gesture as if taking heat coming from Sahasrara and take it out]; some people will feel it in the hand, some in the head, coming out. Specially those who smoke do not feel it in the hand in the beginning, doesn’t matter. Put down your hands please again. Those who did not feel any cool breeze raise your hand. You have to be honest about it, you have to get it, alright? Out of these who have not felt: have you been to a guru? Those who have not been to any guru and have not felt it. Those who have not been to any guru and have not felt it. Not at all to any guru? You are not reading any books? Alright. (Female seeker says something) Shri Mataji: That spiritually stands even worse. Alright, doesn’t matter. Alright, it’s alright. Now put your hands like this. Now those who haven’t felt it please keep your hands again. And sahaja yogis you can go and look after them. Tracy, you need not. You give realization, it’s alright. Now, you haven’t felt cool breeze? Alright. Good. Yes. Those who haven’t felt any cool breeze raise your hands. You haven’t. Something. Alright, now put your hands like this, don’t be upset. Everything is going to be alright, eh? Got it, you’ve got it. Got it. Now see this gentleman, the other one, just see. Are you? Feeling it? Alright. So you are a branded seeker, and you are sorted now. See that gentleman, you should ask the one… yes. Did you feel, My child? Did you? Good, good. Dan, you also go and help now, see, you just start practicing, all of you, from New York. She’s got it. Alright, you’ve got it now, don’t doubt it. Don’t think about it, she’s got it, you got it very well, face has changed. What’s the matter, Steve? Left Nabhi? Drugs. Alright, put your hand down here, on the left side, left side. Alright. [Pause. Shri Mataji enters into meditation] Ah, alright? Warren: He has been to a guru in the past. Shri Mataji: Really? Warren: In the past. Shri Mataji: Of course in the future he’s not going to go. He’ll run away (Shri Mataji laughs) These people leave him, those see the book they don’t even touch it. You see? Oh God! See this lady here, she’s left-sided I think. Just see. Let this gentleman work it out, come along. Now you give realization. Alright, alright, come along, no, it’s for you, no, no, come here, come here. Now Gavin, let him see the wind coming out of others. Let him see from the head, let him see. This gentleman. Now come along, you help him. This is Mr. Gavin Brown, from London. Alright? Now we have imported them, next time you have to come to London. Now show him, how the cool breeze is coming, raising the Kundalini, ask him to raise it. Raise it also. Now we are baptizing, really you are a real baptist. Now ask him to raise it, how to raise it also. You people can learn it also, both of you, come along, you are very strong, come along. Both of you come along, get up and get your… raise it. Christine, just teach these two boys, they are very good and strong. Now forget about your sins, so-called. She’s there, go, she’ll tell them… ah, alright? (She’s talking to a seeker who is feeling the cool breeze on the head of another seeker) One hand towards Me! Now there is no window there, just have a look! Show there’s no window in the head! It’s there! Take them, let them test everyone. How are you now, are you better now? Today? Are you better? This is the cool breeze. You help him. Forget about the past, and just help him. You are better now but the Ekadasha is there. You are very hot still. Ekadasha Rudra… How are you? Fine. You also got it? You haven’t got it? Now, come along. Who is there? Hema? If you can come here. Gavin? You just come and look at this. You feel? True! (…) Now. Come along, put your hand. Put one hand… Alright? This is the cool breeze. Yes, yes, you can feel it, all of you, all of you can. You have to forgive! You have to forgive, you have not forgiven really. Have you? No you haven’t. Say now “Mother I forgive” Again. “I must forgive, I have to forgive”. Again. Ah, alright? Now better? Alright? See now, you’ve taken two, you have not forgiven also! Have you forgiven? No! [End of video]

Public Program Day 3. New York (USA), 26 September 1981. It’s nice to see so many people who have got realization and who are in New York. New York is a very pivotal place in the history of spirituality. It is absolutely the centermost point, of a very important chakra, which is the Vishuddhi chakra. You are stationed at this point. That’s why Americans talk of very big things, of universal things, of universal consciousness, they talk of solving the problems of the world, they talk of the liberty of the whole universe, and their attention is all very widespread, because you stand at that point. New York is really placed at a very pivotal point, no doubt, and that’s why you are attacked the most. The attack comes because they know that here is the place one has to attack, the negativity is a cunning. It is very difficult for you people who are seekers, who are earnestly seeking, who are [a] special category, who are the men of God, to understand the cunning of the negative. There is no way that you can find it out. Like in India it’s easy. Because Indian scriptures have described, described them at length into all details what is the hell, how the people who are negative act, how they affect you by their mesmerism, how they take advantage of you, how they come in a garb or wearing the - as they say sheep skin by the bhoots. Though we have read about it in the Bible, and we have heard about it, but still, as Christ’s life was only for three or four years, we should say, it has not been made so clear-cut to us. Naturally I don’t blame you if you were misled. Actually I came to New York, was nine years back, and Warren must have told you. But I found that people still need more maturity here, because they are busy with their own ideas about things, and they were given more through circuses and elaborate presentations, they would not accept a simple thing, a very, very simple thing, that is Sahaj Yog. One must know, whatever God does, is the simplest of all, but is also very difficult, because it’s a mystery. Like a flower becomes a fruit: they have never bothered even to find out how it happens, you cannot explain, can you explain? Can you explain how a seed sprouts? We can’t explain anything on that level of how, with all our scientific things we have done, with all our great enterprises, the big things we talk about, we cannot explain, that is a mystery, that is the mystery. And this is what we should know, that these people who come to us, create a mystery out of them, and try to impress you. As I said before, I don’t mind. Let them earn money, they are people without any background, they are people… some of them have been in literally like beggars some of them, came out of the jail, such things like that. For them money might be very important, I don’t know why they do it. It’s really, they don’t perhaps know also what they are doing, it’s absolutely dangerous for them and for others. But some of them are real devils. They are quite aware as to what they are doing. Some of them are anti-Christ. Absolutely born on 666 [inaudible words]. They can be proved as anti-Christ, once you become a realized soul. But this mystery of a living process, is to be understood even logically, not rationally but logically. Logically we can approach at a proper conclusion to understand what is good and what is bad. What are we to expect, what should be the seeking. As I have told also before, that if you become something else, if you become master of yourself, if you know how to handle this power you have got, then you have achieved what was said to be born again. Not when you play into the hands of others, like stupid people just moving without any understanding into what direction we are moving like, just herds of sheep driven into sea or into any ditch God only knows. With our own ideas if we are identified also there could be a danger, so we should keep ourself absolutely open and logically come to the conclusion to find out: what are we seeking? Are we seeking slavery? America always talked about the liberty, and fraternity, and all those things. What is fraternity? Is collective consciousness. They are talking of all these big, big things, without realizing that a day will come when they will all have to become. And because you talk so big they have attacked you also. Because they know that the Unconscious has revealed the great truths to you, great things to you, that’s why they attack you. This attack is so subtle, that it is impossible for anybody to find out where you are being attacked. After coming to New York this time, I found out some new methods of these people that are trying to betray the truth. But truth will be established, truth has to be established. It takes time. It will have to be established. But those who do not accept it will be destroyed. No doubt about it. You have to accept the truth: it’s for you, for your good, for your evolution. And those who do not want to accept, they’ll have to accept the falsehood. And falsehood leads you nowhere but to destruction. It is not realized it, still, that, in a country like America, we are not going to be destroyed by Russia or by any external force, but by the building internal force of insecurity, and also of ignorance. We’ll be gradually destroyed to such a state that nothing will be left out of us, and people will just see some bubbles on the shores talking of big things. It is we who have to save ourselves first, we have to build up ourselves first, we have to become ourselves inside so that we become strong, so that we know we become the masters. It is not the mastery of the world, but the mastery of your Self, which you should have. A person of Christ’s caliber came on this earth. And was accepted by Americans, legally accepted. He cannot be arrested I think now if He comes to America. But how will you recognize Him? Is there any method by which you recognize? I can tell you this much, that if He comes here, even if He is not arrested, He won’t stay here for one day more than I can stay. The reason is, when you are talking to the media here, you think you are talking to the walls! If you go and see in other places, the media is sensitive! Because they have received so many shocks I believe, that now they are so stunned that they don’t want to have anymore! But take the other way. Supposing you have lost a diamond, and somebody tells you there is a diamond here. Why not see? I can tell you, if somebody says there is a diamond freely available, people will start coming all the way from Australia and all [secluded/sort of?] places, from Japan, to get that. But when I say that it is free, I mean, today the sahaja yogis here were telling Me that if you say it is free, Americans won’t understand. They think whatever is free cannot be alright (laughs), it cannot be alright, something wrong there, something snag. Just imagine. How can you sell, it-Self? It’s an insult, it’s an insult of God. It’s an insult of Divinity. Remember Christ took a hunter in His hand to beat all the people who were selling things. And you believe that you can purchase God, it’s another nonsense. God doesn’t understand money, He never knew what money is. Neither He’ll know what money is. It is you who have created money and all the problems that have come with it. Now God’s message, His laws, His kingdom is very different. He has got communications, which are very subtle. His ways and methods are so great that unless and until you come into His domain you won’t understand how great He is. And His creation’s this. He has to save this creation of His, it is He who is more anxious, it is He who wants to do it. It is His own method of bringing forth this special evolution by which you enter into His kingdom, because He is the loving Father, the Father who is the most loving of all, and wants to bestow the highest upon His own beloved children. He has made you so beautifully, so beautifully He has made you, here you can see that (She shows the chakra chart). Again, artists have tried to make it beautiful but it is not that beautiful as you are. You are really beautifully styled. I can see that beauty, and you will also start seeing and enjoying the beauty of others once you get your realization. This is your Kundalini (She points to sacrum bone) – I’m sure Warren must have told you about all the seven chakras you have. I have heard people are doing here called, something called ‘chakra therapy’, and I laughed at that. And a lady asked Me, “They take such a lot of money, Mother, for this chakra therapy”. Now just ask the one who does that, that how much money did you pay to create these chakras within you? How much money did you pay to become a human being? What did we do to get this beautiful body of ours? How much did we pay to be just breathing? Imagine, for your breathing if you have to pay money, dollars, first of all you can’t get more than two hundred exchange here, and how will you exist with that two hundred if you have to pay a dollar every breathing? This is a thing we forget, that we are living human beings, and that living process has been always a mystery for human beings, and will remain a mystery till you get realization. So far we have done nothing living, nothing living. All this is dead, can you find anything that is living here, is done by you? For example, the growth of these beautiful things, can you achieve it? Nothing. At the most, if there is mud, you can create a pot. Look around: can you do anything living? And the One who does billions and billions of such things every moment, cannot be forgotten. You may not face it, but that’s a fact, He exists. There is a power that exists which brings forth all these things. Now within us is a power, is the Kundalini. And this Kundalini is a living power. This is a power which is residual, we call that, because it has manifested the whole, the whole universe and everything, and still it has not manifested itself because it is the residual power of your desire to be one with the Divine. Unless and until that has happened, unless and until you are baptized – in the real sense, the way John the Baptist did, not just somebody coming: “Alright, I baptize you”. It’s all artificial, it’s all a drama. I’m Myself born a Christian, I used to laugh aloud as a child, I used to laugh aloud: “What’s this drama going on? No Kundalini rising, nothing, and they are baptizing!”. Baptism, John the Baptist could do, because he was a realized soul. Those who are not realized cannot give realization, they have no authority. Alright, even say, in ignorance you believe that you can do it. But now, when it has come to reality, must you not accept it? Must you not get it? Why this obstinacy not to get it, I can’t understand. And this is what is wrong with our rationality, that we can justify everything that we know, like: “I believe”. Now if you believe that Kundalini is here, what can I do about it? It is not, it is not, it is here. But because you have read a book which was nine hundred pages, naturally you have paid so much effort, you have every reason to believe in that book (She laughs) because you have put it so much of effort that you can’t get over it: “Now I’ve done Mother, what am I to do now? I believe in it”. Like the other day one fellow said – there’s one anti-Christ, and he said that: “I’m taking his name for the last ten years, now how can I forget it?”. If you have lost something, and you are searching it, and truly, even for ten years, and if you know that that is not the way you find it, you will give up. Is common sense, is absolute common sense one should have to understand that within us God must have placed something beautifully to work it out and… The chakras and all that they have started talking quite alright, some borrowed feathers from somewhere I don’t know how; I don’t know if they know about the chakras also besides see what they are like, how many centers they have got, and how many they control, and they how they work out. I have no idea as to how much they know and how much they have learnt, because you can read any book, some tantrikas or somebody unauthorized might have told them something and here comes the book. In America I think it is easiest to publish any book. Nobody says no to anything that no sense (and that?), so all kinds of (books?) they may have (wrote?) And people are very fond of reading, I was coming by plane and one gentleman finished three books, sitting next to Me. I was amazed at his speed, the way he was reading. This kind of reading gives us a blurred idea, a confusion, about God. One has to know that if you become the reality, you should be able to reason the reality, you should be able to discriminate, you should be able to see reality. For example somebody says: “Oh, I am a person who is born again,” or say “I am a realized soul”. Alright, if you are a realized soul, can you tell Me what is the problem with this gentleman, can you tell me what are the centers catching in this gentleman, or can you tell Me what are your problems? At least minimum that much you should know. They said: “No, no, that we don’t know, but we are born [again]”. This is self-certification, I mean, if you give a certificate to yourself – I am the President, President of America – you don’t become. Like some people say: “I’m Omkara” By saying ‘I’m Omkara’, do you become? You have to really become. Actually become. It has to happen within us, that’s why becoming is the crackdown point. We should ask ourselves: what did we become? Are we master of ourselves? Now one may say that, ‘What is the authority of Mataji?’. I have heard a thing like that (laughs). It’s correct! I don’t say you should not challenge the authority. But whose authority will you accept? Best authority is yourself. If I say My authority is Christ, if I say My authority is Rama, is Shri Krishna, and all the ancient scriptures and all the scriptures, and all the great poets who have sung the song of the truth are My authority, you won’t be able to relate. But the best thing is you yourself should be the authority to judge Me. You yourself should know and see for yourself. It’s like you bring ten people in the room who are blind, there are no lights, and there you say that the color of these flowers it is red. Then you will say: “What is the authority of yours that these flowers are red?”. Now, because I can see! “But we cannot see, so how are we to believe?” So best thing is that I open your eyes, and put on the lights, and you see for yourself. You can also relatively see. For example a person who first time has never seen a red color, or a blue or a black, then how are you to tell him? You have to take something as an absolute, you can say: “Alright, if this is red then that is red, that is called as red”. In the same way we can relatively also judge this. The other day I told you an example, you take two people who are suffering from cancer, two people who are suffering from say lunacy, and two people who are suffering from fake gurus (laughter, laughs), and two people who are realized souls. Or - and take two people who are not realized. Let’s take like that, a group. Now, the person who is sitting before us - you can see yourself, not because of Myself - the one who is from lunatic asylum or who has got problems, mental problems, will be shaking, like that. Some will shake little, some will really rackle with it, absolutely rackle. Then, if you want to see the person who has got cancer, he’ll be emitting heat so much, so much, that the whole room will be filled with hot air. Now, the third person, who is realized, will feel cool breeze. Tremendous cool breeze, peace and bliss. And the one who is not realized may little bit feel the cool breeze, may feel hot, you see, the mixture of everything, so he’ll feel all the mixtures. Now you ask the lunatic “From where do you come?”, they’ll say: “We are certified mad coming from lunatic asylum”. You ask the patient, he’ll say that “I’m from such and such place”. But people do not want to see this fact. Is very simple to verify. Now moreover, the credibility of a person who is taking money from you, taking everything from you, is putting you on the street, who is making other people mad, has to be challenged. Instead of that they will challenge My credibility, but not of those people – the reason is you are no more there, you are hypnotized, you will not. But here you are free, and you should challenge. I appreciate it because of freedom, is an expression, you are free to challenge. But that doesn’t mean freedom is a license to again drift into nonsense. You keep your mind open, receive your realization. I do not know in what words to say that you are the ones who have been seeking truth for ages now. In the mountains, in the hills, in the dales, in the Himalayas, and all over you have been seeking for thousands and thousands of years. You are seekers, you are a special category of people, and you must seek it, you must find it, instead of it you seek your hell. What can a person like Me feel about it? Is such a tragic thing, that the one who is really seeking the reality is lost. I wish you could understand My concern and My anguish, that: look at these people, they have been seeking, seeking God, they are such nice people, such good people – are being harmed, have been tortured, are now on their way to hell. It’s a very, very sad situation, and that I am trying My level best to convince you that you seek the truth. You ask for the truth. And you get it, establish it, and save others who are being ruined. Because they will be seeking in any case whatever you may try, till the end they will be seeking, till they are drowned completely. They are seekers. Today we were coming and one of the sahaja yogini was sitting at the back in the airplane. And there was a fellow sitting next to her who was reading some book on meditation. And she, she asked him, ‘Are you a seeker?’. He said: ‘Yes, I am’. And he got his realization in the airplane. She herself has come to Me I think, about few months back. And she gave him realization and he got his realization. You could see from his eyes, absolutely sparkling eyes he had. You could see he could feel the vibrations and the cool breeze. And then you learn further steps how to organize it, how to maneuver it, how to manage it. So you have to be connected with the mains. You have to become divine. Not that you are not, you are; but you are not aware of it. It is not in your conscious awareness, it is not in your central nervous system. Whatever is in our central nervous system is our achievement in our evolution. And you have to attain a little more step and you become that. Like a triggering into the space has to take place. This has to happen, and this will happen, that thousands of you are to be saved. In some countries it has worked wonders, especially in a country like Australia, imagine. You had banished them, sent them away as criminals or whatever they [were] – they had children, their grandchildren, and their great-grandchildren are great sahaja yogis. It’s spreading like fire, the media is so sensitive, so sensible. While here I find there is no esmovement [?] in a country where I accepted, and expected that it could be a tremendous thing. Let’s see, let’s see, still I leave it to you people to find out ways and methods of cracking the brains here. Of course England was very difficult too, for four years I was struggling with seven people, no doubt. But English, once they are cracked, they are very wise. And somehow or other these seven people proved it so well, and they found the change because they were drug addicts, they had lots of troubles, and they were about to collapse, some of them were absolutely in a coma when they came to Me, so the change, the tremendous change in them convinced other people. And today we have very good thousand sahaja yogis at least, very good thousand sahaja yogis who are experts, who are masters in Kundalini Yoga in England. Now, as they have told you about all these centers and all these things, today I would like to give a little introduction about it, but later on I will tell you how the key developments in the human awareness started and how later on the whole thing was revealed. And today is the time when one can talk about it so openly. I think you have given them the names and everything of the chakras and everything. But even knowing all about it, is of no help. You must get your realization, only knowing about them in a bookish way is of no use. You must get your realization, that is very important. In India very few people really bother about these things, because they know Kundalini awakening is the only way, like sprouting of a seed. They know that Mother is the one who is going to do it, second point, because Adi Shankaracharya (has seen?) and this and that. Third point they know that once you get your realization you become the Brahmin or the one who knows the Brahma. So in a village I have no problem. Thousands of people, if they come to know that Mother is coming, there could be six thousand people in a village. All will gather from all over and they will get their realization so quick, I mean, so fast, just like an American fast jet. Real fast they do it. In such an American way, that you can’t imagine that it’s like a jet. And all of them getting, and such a wave of beautiful Chatanya Lahari, these vibrations, cool breeze blowing, just like the waves of the sea or an ocean, it’s beautiful to see that many. I mean, coming to America some Indians were criticizing: “Why should You go to America? Why not do it here? In one day You give realization to six thousand people. There one day You might get one and he’ll also slip out”. And they were criticizing My coming to America. That not in a bad way, but in a good way, that “It’s better that You spend Your time in India”. But here are the real seekers. They get it in India because they are too simple; they are so innocent. They have no problems. Here are the real seekers who are like, we can say, the people in a war front, who do espionage, or something like that, a very serious type of work, get complicated, get involved, caught up by the enemies, and tortured by the enemies, which are so dearer. Those are the heroes, and they must be saved. That’s how I am here. And I know that once Americans take it up we can save the whole world. It’s very simple to understand. But the way so far you have been taking up to people is so amazingly foolish that people think that you would never take to Me, because I am too sane, I am too sensible, and they still are very diffident about My work in New York especially. But to see you all here today, I am overjoyed. I have great faith in you, you have no idea how much faith I have. You are born in that special chakra, which is the chakra of Shri Krishna. Is the chakra of the Primordial Being, is the chakra from where the collectivity is (first?). But we have tried everything to ruin it. First of all it is ruined by smoking. Smoke, Christ may tolerate a little bit at that point (Agnya), but not Shri Krishna, He can’t tolerate smoke. He just can’t bear it. And we have been smoking; thank God I have heard that smoking is going down, that spoils this center. Then, on the right side, when we talk big, egoistical, when we try to push down people, specially when we try to dominate, say within husband and wife, which we see all the time if there’s a quarrel going on, your chakra will be ruined completely on the right side. Left side is another problem that comes from feeling guilty. And which is also very common. So these three centers (left, center, right Vishuddhi) that are the most important thing and the most powerful in you people here, [see] how this is attacked. Moreover the mantras and all that which are not awakened by a realized soul, by a holy person, can also ruin your left… (touches left Vishuddhi). Is very common with the people who have done mantras, and chakra, and all of those things without any authority. Because the whole thing comes up here (touches throat), just, and when you take the responsibility of such things on your back, say you take on your shoulders the responsibility of wrong type of people, you can imagine, what would be the shape and condition of that wonderful center (Vishuddhi) which was created in a human being when he raised his head from animal stage to look forward. Is a special thing that happened to us when we raised our head like that, that within us these two centers, these two things like, ego and superego, started developing. We had superego alright, but the ego started developing when we just raised our head from animal stage to this stage. But we do not know that if you raise your head too much backwards like this also, it can be spoilt. That means the ego goes too much … then your head goes down like that. Such people never put down their heads you see. If you see somebody walking like this, find out: he must be something big somewhere, or aware that he is a very big man. So the center that is the Vishuddhi chakra is this America. And you are the people who are the cells of that chakra which can be awakened. You are the cells and you are to be awakened. Once you are awakened you can cure this center and the whole universe will be benefited by that. That’s why I request you to understand your position in the whole cosmos, of the universe, and the important and the pivotal part… position that you have, and the wider role that you have to play, so that you pay attention to yourself, your development, your growth, and you achieve your full maturity in Sahaja Yoga. May God bless you all. I would like to have some questions today, and then after that we can have the realization. Can you open the window? (Warren says something to Shri Mataji) Yes. Tomorrow, as he is saying that many of them have had no idea about the chakras and all that, because they have come for the first time today, but tomorrow I am going to tell you all about chakras and all that. Everything I’ll go gradually one by one. Now I’ll be here for five lectures, and I will see that in every lecture I’ll try to do step-by-step, across the thing. And I will explain you. (Warren tells people about leaflets: “If you don’t have one of these, please take one on the way out”). Shri Mataji: And also put them somewhere for advertising. And moreover there is a book, you can read that, but do not try to remember everything by heart. It will be all your own, the whole knowledge will be your own, it won’t be difficult. So it’s not to be studied, but it’s to be felt. I will definitely tell you all about chakras, and I’ll make you masters. I’m going to make you gurus, every-one of them. Real gurus. There’s one fellow in India, who’s got his realization, and he’s given realization to, as far as I know, ten thousand – but some people, twenty thousand – they say they are twenty thousand people he has given realization. So it’s possible. Yes, please? Seeker says: Mother, I do not mean to be funny, but I felt a cool breeze for quite some time. Shri Mataji: You are not funny! You are very good, you have got it! Seeker: But I cannot tell that whether it was the wind! (Laughter) Shri Mataji: It happens with everyone, because we’ve opened it just now (the window, ndt), alright? There is no wind here, you can see that nothing is moving, you see? Otherwise these things will be moving, you see? Yes, it’s alright, you got it very well, very well. That is a thing I knew you are going to get it. Alright? So nothing to be funny, is the absolute truth. There was a scientist we had, he was from Orissa. And he got his realization. Then he looked at all the windows, and I was just smiling. Then he looked at his… he turned like this, and then he had more from Me, he couldn’t believe it. Then he went home, he shut himself in a cellar, there he put, what you call, a candle. And then [he] put his hands to the candle and the candle started giving him cool breeze! He couldn’t believe it, he thought there’s something gone wrong with him. And now today he is a very great sahaja yogi. Alright? So the first step has started, that proves one thing beyond doubt, that you are a great seeker. Alright? My congratulations. Seeker says that he has feelings for his family and friends, but he has been seeking for a love relationship with a woman without any success, which is causing him a lot of pain, and he does not know what to do. Shri Mataji: See, I’ll tell you what happens. You have got a center here is of the Nabhi, alright? Now out of this, is the left Nabhi here. If it is in a problem, left Nabhi is the center of Gruha Lakshmi. Is the center of the Goddess in the household, or your wife, see. Of course these days you don’t find Goddesses as wives, but still! (Laughter), So, if that goes out, you see, then lots of problems also can come up, but one of them is that you get such a situation. But all such situations can be overcome, all kinds of situations: people who have had perverted relationships also get sorted out, those who have had, what you call, the problems of divorce and sort of a relationship with a woman and they are frightened of women, or the women who are dominating or they don’t know how to stop their domination – they don’t want to dominate but they somehow dominate – all these things will be sorted out. No problem. Next year you will be married very nicely. Alright? We had sixteen marriages (laughter, Shri Mataji laughs) recently in England. One of them was Warren, who was married. And he is a divorcee, and he had given up hopes of marriage. We had sixteen marriages the day of Krishna’s birthday. So don’t you worry. But you have to follow certain understanding of maintaining yourself in a position, see, and I’ll tell you all about it, how to do it. And you will have very good marriages, lasting marriages, not only that; but you’ll have realized souls as your children. There are many who want to be born. And all the sahaja yogis who are married now have got realized souls as children. Because they want to be born, they want parents who understand them, who can bear them, who can look after them, and love them. So you will have everything fine, don’t you worry. And a very nice wife too. Alright? Yes? Seeker says something about subconscious impurities. Shri Mataji: I am happy that you have reached the right conclusion. Don’t you worry, I know how to look after them. That’s all I’ll say. And I will teach you how to do it for others also. You will become Saint Michael in this respect. Alright? And we’ll have to drive them out, all the subconscious impurities. I think we have got our book here, of the Advent. (Warren: “It’s coming up Monday”) Shri Mataji: Alright. In that it is, see, Gregoire, the one who has written the book, has called them as UPI, I don’t know what it means (laughs) but he calls them as UPI, and there are so many methods by which we can drive them out. Eh? What is it? [Warren: Units of Psychic Interference] Shri Mataji: Ah ok! (Shri Mataji laughs) That’s (…) all the invention. Don’t worry. You just don’t worry. Not only yours, but others, you know. When you will go on the road, if they know that you are passing that way, they’ll all disappear. You become so powerful. (Warren says something about the sins of the past) Now will you forget them? Forget it, forget your past. Forget it, that is subconscious, just forget it. Do you know that all the sins and blasphemy is to be forgiven, and it’s been already promised? Because you are saints! So don’t count them at all, forget it. You see, when you wash the clothes, say in a washing machine, will you count all the stains? It’s like that. Kundalini washes you up and cleanses you completely. It’s your own Kundalini, it is pure, holy, your own Mother. She’ll wash it up, don’t you worry. Alright? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: It’s too much to believe, is it? (Laughs, laughter) it is so. Because you don’t know what you are, you are fantastic. (To a lady:) What worries you? What is worrying you? Female seeker says something. Warren repeats: “She thinks she has taken somebody into her house who is not good, and she thinks she is becoming not good as a result of that”. Shri Mataji: See, there are solutions for that kind of thing. If he is really a sinister fellow, he’ll run away. Alright. Or in case he is capable of improvement, he’ll improve. So you become more powerful than them. You see? Is what is more powerful is the point. If the light is more powerful, the darkness has to run away. Alright? So because you still do not know your powers, and to maneuver it, that’s why you are worrying. But once you know it’s very simple. Once you are realized I will tell you how to use it, and you’ll be amazed. Like yesterday I was coming, and suddenly I had to go, and there was no seat available in the plane, and so my husband told Me, “I’m sorry, there’s not seat available for you”, and suddenly he said: “Oh, it’s a miraculous thing, they have said there’s some seat”. I said: “Alright, book Me there”. And two others were coming with me. - See, this is absolutely a material life, absolutely a material level, isn’t it? - And two others were coming, there was no seat at any cost. And two people who had booked for one month before, ahead, dropped out and these two were with Me in the airport [probably meaning airplane – ed.]. So even (?) at a very, very material level they help you. And spiritual level I need not tell you. Even at the very baser material level they help you, because this Lakshmi tattwa is here (points at Nabhi on chakra chart) which helps you for the well-being. Krishna has said: Yogakshema Vahamyam, I’ll look after your Yoga first, Yoga means the union, first you must get your union, and then the well-being, Kshema, is well-being. In America we have got the Kshema first, the well-being, the Yoga is missing still. (She smiles, laughter) Seeker: I wanted to ask a question to Mother. Shri Mataji: Yes, please. Seeker: First I would like to say that You were an inspiration… Shri Mataji: What is it? Warren: You are an inspiration to him, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ah? Warren: You are an inspiration to him. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. May God bless you. Seeker: I am sure all of us have hundreds of questions that would keep You here the whole night, but I would like to say that I would like to become a realized being and give the answers from within. So my question is: after the five lectures, and You leave us, where do we go from there? Shri Mataji: I know, everybody feels sad (laughter). Because you are like small children, you know. But you grow so fast. That you are amazed, you see. You grow. You grow very fast. You’ll all grow. I’m not going to leave you. I’m going to come back again and again, and you are going all to come to India, and we are all going to have a very nice time (laughter). We all belong to each other: how can we leave you? Now. Is it alright, or any other question? Even if you have any personal questions or anything you can write to Me, alright? If you don’t want to discuss it here. And tomorrow morning if they can come to the hotel – (Warren says they will have a workshop at the hotel at eleven o’clock) Here? (Warren: No, at the hotel) The hotel, you can come, I can work it out for you if you have any personal problems or anything, we’ll work it out, alright? I’m here for a complete 24-hours in the hotel. [The lady says that the day before it had been said that you can ask a question and you get the answer.] Shri Mataji: Yes.Lady: And how do you read that, how do you know…Shri Mataji. See, what happens, now say for example you are connected to a mains. Alright? Now the mains is an unconsciousness was so far, it has become a consciousness within you. You are like a computer I would say, to make things easy. It’s a mystery again. So you put your hands and ask a question: “Mother, is there God?”. Just see vibrations. Right? “Mother, is there God?”. And three times if you ask, you get tremendous [vibrations], already must have started. You see, so, that’s how you will know. But if you ask about somebody who is not a real guru, who is not a real person, then you might even get burning. Sometimes you might even get blisters. You may lose your vibrations. The more you grow the more you become sensitive, and you start understanding where you are. Lady: Can you also ask practical questions about your life?Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, you will. In the beginning everybody asks: should I buy this? Or that? (Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs). Then the questions start becoming subtler and subtler, because your priorities change, you know? Whatever level you are, you start asking questions. Then no questions, at a stage which we call… first you get thoughtless awareness, as your… first you get thoughtless awareness. In Sanskrit, it is called as "nirvichar samadhi". Sama-dhi: "Dhi" means your consciousness, and sama-dhi is the one which is enlightened. So, the thoughtless enlightened awareness first. Then the second state is – between these (is a little these two things??) which you have to establish - is called as Nirvikalpa samadhi, meaning doubtless awareness. It is a state; it is not: “I have no doubts about Mother, I have no doubts about Sahaja Yoga”, is not that. And that state is achieved, and at both the states when you are say thoughtlessly aware state, you can give awakening, you can give realization, you can cure cancer, you can cure all kinds of diseases, so many things you can do with the first shot. But much do not indulge in that too much. You can give realization at the most, and then you should jump onto the second stage where you become Nirvikalpa. Means where you are doubtlessly aware. Doubtlessly enlightened awareness. Then you become that. At that stage you don’t start catching from others, such sort of thing; you see, you may feel “This is the finger catching there”, but you don’t get involved with it. It’s a state, it’s a state, in which you mature, which happens to you. Many people, and will happen to all of you, there’s no problem about it. But some people do it faster, some take time, but it happens to all of you. It’s a happening again, maturity. Alright? Female seeker asks if a person who has never been interested and has never come, if this person may be influenced to do this thing . Shri Mataji: Who is not interested? Female seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Forget it. Let them get lost, that’s what they are, they are not interested in their own Spirit, now what am I to do, should I break My head? You have to ask for it. You see, God has given you freedom, this is the problem. You have the freedom, if you want to go to hell you can go directly. Take two running jumps and go. But if you want to have realization, you can get it. Alright? But if you don’t want it, don’t force them, please don’t, you cannot force it. You cannot force it.They - I can cook food for you, all right? I can put it in your mouth. But the enjoyment of eating it, has to come within yourself; you don’t want to enjoy anything, what are we to do? You can’t force it. In the beginning only the seekers are important. They need not be your brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, they need not be anything. Seekers are important, pay attention to seekers. They are to be saved, alright? Once the seekers come up, then these second class citizens will start coming up, you see? Let us see to the first class citizens in the Kingdom of God, then we’ll bother about the second and the third and the fourth. But don’t waste your energy on somebody who is not convinced. You cannot convince him by your brain, you cannot. You see, they are very obstinate people. I’ve told many-a-times, but still you see we are involved with the other people and we try to convince, and - oday only I received a letter saying, “Please, give Realization to mother, she’s very adamant. Give Realization to my father, he doesn’t want to listen to me, give Realization to my sister, she doesn’t believe in it”, all sorts of things, you see. I said: “All right, all right (Mother smiles)”. So, don’t be concerned, have no sympathies of this kind.Sympathy: "Sym" means to share, and "pathy" is the "pathos". So don’t try to share the pathos, all right? Have no such sympathies. Only seekers look after the seekers. And: “Sorry, you are not a seeker”. I also tell them you go away (She makes namaste). You see, there are people who will come and say, “Mother, I once have gone to the races and I lost”. I say, “Now you get lost, you go away”. You see, you can’t give anything to such people, who are on that gross level. Let them be. But first of all let us enlighten those who are capable of enlightenment. They are more important. And not those who are just with very great difficulty are pushed into it and go back as if pushed by a piston, you see, better not have them. All right? So, don’t you worry on such people. Of course you feel concerned, no doubt, but forget it, that’s not- the seekers are too many and we have to look after them. Yes, My child? [The lady asks if people who are really seeking can attain it.] Shri Mataji: No, if they want to have it, you can do it, you see? Even people who are declared as greatest (…) you see, got Realization. Imagine, the other day – imagine - archbishop of black magic got Realization. Can you believe it? Archbishop of black magic. He got Realization. Of course I told people, "Now don’t try all these tricks with such people because see, they will try to tempt even you". So, we are treating him separately. But the person who is supposed to be the archbishop of black magic. I mean, witchcraft. He got Realization. So anybody can get it. But if they do not ask it, you cannot force them, you cannot argue it out, you cannot tell them: ‘You must get your realization’, nothing [of the kind]. If they think they are very wise let them be alone, don’t waste your energy. Instead you can give to ten people who are wanting it. All right?So just find out who is a seeker, also from vibrations you can find out. Those who are seekers will get their awakening very fast, you see. Warren: She says this man is a smoker… Shri Mataji: Who is a smoker?Warren: This man she is speaking of.Shri Mataji: But he would like to have a Realization? Oh, smoking is nothing, even if he is a chimney (laughter) he can get that. If he is a seeker, he has to be seeker, the first primary consideration is that he should be a seeker. It’s nothing, I mean, smoking, everybody smokes, we find [nothing] but this smoke in this world, what to do. But doesn’t matter, I mean, it’s not such a sin. Nothing is a sin in the presence of the Ocean of love. Is it? What is a sin? Nothing. So it’s not so important. Smoking at least. Seeker: Fixation, is that a sin?Warren: He is saying, is fixation a sin?Shri Mataji: It’s not a sin, according to Me nothing is sin now. Forget it. I mean, fixation, I would say, will only drop out through Kundalini awakening, and awareness, and alertness. All fixations can be dropped out, misidentifications can be dropped out, because you become a different person. Like, say, a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, alright? Now, there must be the part of that cocoon sticking on to the butterfly, must be. So you don’t like it, you want to throw it away, just falls off, because it’s all broken out. Like an egg-shell becoming, egg becoming a, say a bird. And the shell is still sticking on somewhere, so the bird doesn’t like it, he throws around. It’s like that. It’s transformation and transmutation. Both things take place. First the transformation which is very easier, you got it just now; but the transmutation you have to work it out a little bit, and they drop out. Little bit power helps you. And you want to do it, you don’t want to have them. Because supposing I have a fixation with, say, a spirit. We’ll catch on this (left Agnya finger), we’ll catch on this (left Swadishthana finger), we’ll get a headache (touches back Agnya). Normally you won’t get a headache till you become mad, you see? But after realization you start getting. Like a lady who had liver trouble. She came to Me, she said: “Mother, my head has gone absolutely heavy now, what am I to do?”. I said: “You have a liver, you get it cured. If you don’t get your liver cured, you’ll have this trouble”. So she tried her best to get it, and you can get it cured just like that (Shri Mataji snaps Her fingers) with Sahaja Yoga. It’s very simple. And she got alright. So fixations also drop out. It’s all ignorance: we will not call it sin but it’s ignorance. [The lady says something to the effect that she was warned by someone that Kundalini caused people problems and one can end up in hospital.]Shri Mataji: Very true, very true, you see. Now what she says is true and I know that. Because it’s not Kundalini that takes place. See, Kundalini is your holy Mother. And not only holy Mother, but she’s the only Mother you have and you are the only child She has. And she’s not going to give you this trouble, but these people who do not know the job at all, who are not authorized, they are extremely unholy people, they are people who should be in hell, and are trying to do these things, and they make you suffer. For example, when you try to excite the Kundalini by any method like that, actually you either move to the left or to the right. They push you to the left or to the right. And if you move to the left you can become mad, and if you push to the right you become stupid. So accept one or the other (laughs, laughter). You can’t take them up there, you see? (She points to Sahasrara on the chakra chart). It cannot be reached. Even they say Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha cannot reach Ganesha, who informs the Kundalini to rise. So, you can imagine. These horrible people, just to make money, are telling you stories and they put you in the lunatic asylum. Not only, I have seen people coming, who went for flying. They paid three thousand pounds to fly. I mean, they must have some brains to understand: why are you flying? Are you going to become birds now? Make your guru fly! I said, why not put them, put him from this Leaning Tower of Pisa, and see where does he fly, upward or downward? (Laughter) You see, when he’ll go down, then you will see that this is the thing he’s doing, and then you are paying three thousand pounds. On top of that what you get is an epilepsy. They are all suffering from epilepsy, you know? It’s true, it happens, I know. But this is your Mother. She just gives you your realization, that’s all. I have never seen one person getting mad, on the contrary mad get well with it. How can it be? You are going to become a Spirit, on your way to that how can you become mad? I mean, supposing you are going to Heaven, and on the way you meet there at station some lunatic asylums? How can you become mad? We should use our brains to see these are horrid people, I agree with you. They are using all kinds of dirty methods, I know. Specially sex. How can you use sex for your Kundalini? Because that’s your Mother. How can you do it? All absurd ideas, I don’t understand. If sex is so important all animals should be realized souls by now (laughter). Not that you have to abhor sex, you have to lead a sane married life, and lead a very decent life and all that, that’s the key to it; but not this kind of a thing that you can raise Kundalini through sex, it’s all filthy, all bathroom culture I think, the way these people talk about. Absurd! So filthy you can’t imagine. It’s filth. I mean, there should be something, our sex is private, isn’t it? We call it as private. But how do we handle them – with these horrible gurus and one of them has come down and settled here in your country. His Vishuddhi’s gone off now. I’m happy about it. Warren [repeats a question by a seeker]: He feels a very nice presence. He’s asking You if there is any initiation that You do.Shri Mataji: I’ve already done it, I think (laughter). I really don’t do anything to be very frank. If you ask the sun: “Do you take the color of the leaves?”. He’ll say: “No”. Because that is his nature. This is just the case. It just flows. I really don’t do anything. Am I doing anything? I’m just talking, that’s all. But it works, it works, it works by itself. Because you are a deserving case. That’s why it is acting. I don’t have to do anything. Alright? Now. You said it was the last question now. Warren: He asked twenty the other time, so… Seeker: Yesterday I told the nice Australian doctor that I was a traditional minister in a traditional…Shri Mataji: Tradition?Warren: He is a traditional minister. He’s a Baptist minister.Shri Mataji: Ah! Then you should really become a Baptist, I’ll make you a real Baptist. The seeker asks how he can relate Self-realization to the scriptures. Shri Mataji: I mean, what am I telling you, everything that is scriptured but in the real sense.[Seeker says something that for him it will be more difficult than for others…]Shri Mataji: You see, they will see your powers. Alright? It’s better to tell them and save them than to allow them to be drowned. Under the name of Christ and God, one cannot do like that. We cannot do like that anymore, it’s all done, I’m so happy you could come here and you could achieve it, you’ll save so many of them. You face the truth, it is so. But I will tell you some questions when you’ll ask, then you be sure you are doing that. Alright now, any more questions? Or are you all enjoying the cool breeze? Lady: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji to Warren: Why did you open? Warren to the lady: What do you say, sorry, I didn’t talk about it.Lady: Yes, you did, when you were talking about the Christian gnostics.Warren: Oh, I mentioned… Mother, I said that the wind of the Holy Spirit is often referred to by the gnostics as the Holy Breath. That’s all I mentioned.Shri Mataji: Ruh, yes, Ruh, means Ruh.Warren: Ruh. And I gave its different names in different scriptures, that’s all.Shri Mataji: But what happened to the disciples of Christ, you see, is a problem I don’t want to raise controversy, all right? What happened to them is a little controversial subject which I will tell you later on. All right? Just now you get your Realization, mature. Because, you see, today you are learning Christianity. All right? So you have problems of Christianity. Those who are studying, say, Hindu religion, they have problems from Hindu religion. Because it is misinterpreted also many-a-times, isn’t it? The one who has misinterpreted does not know that he’s misinterpreted. And only through your vibratory awareness you should find out the absolute truth. Like when I told people that Christ’s Mother was the Holy Spirit, they would not accept it. In India they said: “What did She do? She just used to cry and weep, but the Holy Spirit is supposed to give Realization to people, She didn’t give Realization to anyone”. But She was. So how do you find out? You put your hands towards Me and ask the question: “Mother, was She the Holy Spirit?”. Then why didn’t Christ say that She was the Holy Spirit? The question comes in. It’s with Him, absolutely one can understand that She was the Mother of Christ. And Christ has got eleven destructive powers, with which He’s going to come back. Eleven destructive powers He’s got. About which Bible says nothing, because you see, Christ could not talk to His disciples who were just fishermen. And they never believed Him. Till they saw His resurrection they never believed Him. So, His eleven powers that He had, He could have destroyed the whole world at that time of His crucifixion, but crucifixion had to be done with a special purpose, which I’ll tell you later on, why He was crucified. And He didn’t want to say that, because if anybody would have tortured Her, He would have used all His eleven powers and the whole game would have been over. Alright? So it is a very subtle subject, which you should understand but first you must become subtler. Then you will understand each and everything very nicely on the Kundalini. For example, I say the Christ is placed here, on this point. That He is to be awakened here. When He is awakened, then only the ego and superego both are sucked in. That’s how your sins and your sufferings He takes over. Now, if I say so, why should you believe in it? Isn’t it? But what can happen that when we raise the Kundalini, yourself when you will be a realized soul you’ll see, the Kundalini may stop here. Then you have to take Christ’s name. You have to awaken Him. If you are a Realized soul only, otherwise you cannot. Then you’ll find the Kundalini will rise. Or you have to say Lord’s Prayer, then only the Kundalini will rise. But only a realized soul can do it. Anybody says Lord’s Prayer is a waste. Is a waste. Is not connected. Alright? So it’s a very subtle subject, you be honest about itself, you become that, and then you’ll start seeing everything clearly. As I said that this room is dark, you can’t see anything, so best thing is to open your eyes properly, get the lights on and see for yourself. All right? Because if I say something, it may create the situation of a doubting Thomas, which I don’t want to have. First mature yourself, alright? You must mature all of you. Is a good question you asked, but that’s little further. One need not hang on to anything. Just see for yourself what it is, you must see for yourself. Keep yourself open. Is true, what he said is true, it’s called as Ruh. Is a, is the cool wind of the Holy Spirit and I don’t know if his book is published or not, of Adi Shankaracharya, he’s written a big book about it, Chaitanya Lahari and all that, he’s written it. But I, most of their books are not translated, what to do? I mean, it’s such a big book on this cool breeze. Of course this knowledge of how to use it, and how, what fingers are there, is not yet there, because that was not the time to be given perhaps. But all the teachings I’ll be giving you, and you can verify. You can verify everything. So you must verify. But don’t waste too much time in these things, first of all you mature. And gradually you will start seeing yourself. First thing should be that you mature. That is first thing and important. (Shri Mataji points to a yogini) See, she got Realization two days back, I mean, how many days? Four, five days back. And she can feel everybody’s chakras, she can raise the Kundalini, she can do it. So just do that, first start doing it, all right? First become that.Then you will start understanding this is not important. Is not important. What is important is to understand Christ where He is, how we can awaken Him, all these things are more important. Warren: We should have it? hri Mataji: All right. Agnya is there. Now, those who think, please, this center of Christ itself is catching. Put your hands towards Me and say that: “Mother, I forgive everyone”. (People repeat). Again (People repeat). Again (People repeat). Still there. Should we say Lord’s Prayer. (People recite Lord’s Prayer three times). Shri Mataji: Now see is it coming? Put your hands straight. Here, this side. You are alright? Are you feeling? It’s there? Keep yourself steady. No body movement is needed. Just keep your[self] steady, the Kundalini is inside, She rises by herself, don’t do any body movements because that will spoil it. Just be steady, just keep your eyes shut, (because) if you don’t shut your eyes also the Kundalini won’t rise above Agnya. You have to keep your eyes shut, that’s important. Because you have to get it after all, what is it? You have to get it, you are here to get it, that’s all. Please close your eyes. You are here to get it, that’s the main point, to receive it. Now put your right hand on your heart. Right hand on your heart. And say: “Mother, I am not guilty”. Thrice, three times say: “Mother, I’m not guilty” (people repeat). Now ask a question: “Mother, am I my own guru?”. (People repeat twice). Again (people repeat). Now ask a question: “Mother, am I the Spirit?”. (People repeat twice) Again. (People repeat). Now say: “Mother, please give me realization”. (People repeat twice). Again (people repeat). Ah. (She puts Her hand above Sahasrara) It’s there. Now put your right hand on top of your head and you see a cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. On the head, on top of your, on top. Just on top, see. There will be a cool breeze. Just move your hand and see that if there’s… little higher you keep your hand, and see if there is a cool breeze coming in. Maybe some people might get little hot [She makes gesture as if taking heat coming from Sahasrara and take it out]; some people will feel it in the hand, some in the head, coming out. Specially those who smoke do not feel it in the hand in the beginning, doesn’t matter. Put down your hands please again. Those who did not feel any cool breeze raise your hand. You have to be honest about it, you have to get it, alright? Out of these who have not felt: have you been to a guru? Those who have not been to any guru and have not felt it. Those who have not been to any guru and have not felt it. Not at all to any guru? You are not reading any books? Alright. (Female seeker says something) Shri Mataji: That spiritually stands even worse. Alright, doesn’t matter. Alright, it’s alright. Now put your hands like this. Now those who haven’t felt it please keep your hands again. And sahaja yogis you can go and look after them. Tracy, you need not. You give realization, it’s alright. Now, you haven’t felt cool breeze? Alright. Good. Yes. Those who haven’t felt any cool breeze raise your hands. You haven’t. Something. Alright, now put your hands like this, don’t be upset. Everything is going to be alright, eh? Got it, you’ve got it. Got it. Now see this gentleman, the other one, just see. Are you? Feeling it? Alright. So you are a branded seeker, and you are sorted now. See that gentleman, you should ask the one… yes. Did you feel, My child? Did you? Good, good. Dan, you also go and help now, see, you just start practicing, all of you, from New York. She’s got it. Alright, you’ve got it now, don’t doubt it. Don’t think about it, she’s got it, you got it very well, face has changed. What’s the matter, Steve? Left Nabhi? Drugs. Alright, put your hand down here, on the left side, left side. Alright. [Pause. Shri Mataji enters into meditation] Ah, alright? Warren: He has been to a guru in the past. Shri Mataji: Really? Warren: In the past. Shri Mataji: Of course in the future he’s not going to go. He’ll run away (Shri Mataji laughs) These people leave him, those see the book they don’t even touch it. You see? Oh God! See this lady here, she’s left-sided I think. Just see. Let this gentleman work it out, come along. Now you give realization. Alright, alright, come along, no, it’s for you, no, no, come here, come here. Now Gavin, let him see the wind coming out of others. Let him see from the head, let him see. This gentleman. Now come along, you help him. This is Mr. Gavin Brown, from London. Alright? Now we have imported them, next time you have to come to London. Now show him, how the cool breeze is coming, raising the Kundalini, ask him to raise it. Raise it also. Now we are baptizing, really you are a real baptist. Now ask him to raise it, how to raise it also. You people can learn it also, both of you, come along, you are very strong, come along. Both of you come along, get up and get your… raise it. Christine, just teach these two boys, they are very good and strong. Now forget about your sins, so-called. She’s there, go, she’ll tell them… ah, alright? (She’s talking to a seeker who is feeling the cool breeze on the head of another seeker) One hand towards Me! Now there is no window there, just have a look! Show there’s no window in the head! It’s there! Take them, let them test everyone. How are you now, are you better now? Today? Are you better? This is the cool breeze. You help him. Forget about the past, and just help him. You are better now but the Ekadasha is there. You are very hot still. Ekadasha Rudra… How are you? Fine. You also got it? You haven’t got it? Now, come along. Who is there? Hema? If you can come here. Gavin? You just come and look at this. You feel? True! (…) Now. Come along, put your hand. Put one hand… Alright? This is the cool breeze. Yes, yes, you can feel it, all of you, all of you can. You have to forgive! You have to forgive, you have not forgiven really. Have you? No you haven’t. Say now “Mother I forgive” Again. “I must forgive, I have to forgive”. Again. Ah, alright? Now better? Alright? See now, you’ve taken two, you have not forgiven also! Have you forgiven? No! [End of video]

9/27/1981

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God Has Created Us For Some Purpose

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Public Program Day 4. New York (USA), 27 September 1981. Yesterday as I told you that we are going to have a series, one after another, and yesterday I explained to you the introductory part of Sahaja Yoga. As I said, ‘Saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’. Is born with you. It is inborn. Is spontaneous. Is living. Whatever is born with you is living. For, your fingers, hands, everything is living. And this system is born with you. Yoga means the union with your Spirit. Simple, it’s very simple meaning. Yoga means to join. To join you with your Spirit, with the Divine. This is born with you, this right to be one with the Divine is born with you. Is your birthright. But is Sahaja Yoga. Now, to say that it is My method, or it is today’s method, would not be correct. Because this is the method of anything that is spontaneous. Like you see a seed sprouting, a flower becoming a fruit, an egg becoming a bird, or you see a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. All this is Sahaja. Is in-born within us. And this is existing within us, of which people were aware thousands and thousands of years back. Not only in India, you’ll be surprised. They were aware in England, they were definitely aware in Egypt, they were aware in Greece. Recently I went to Greece, to Athens, and I was surprised. Athens was, comes from the word Athena. Athena is their Goddess. Actually they don’t know much about Her. But Atha in Sanskrit means primordial. She is the primordial Kundalini. Athena – is the primordial Kundalini, the Mother of the pri… expressed as the primordial Kundalini, or the primordial Mother. And She has in Her hand a snake, which goes round into circles creating chakras. It’s so clearly shown, but they are not aware of it. And they even have – you’ll be amazed – the daughter of that Athena which is placed in among all of us, and they called this bone as sacrum, means a sacred bone. The word sacrum has come from Greek language - is the sacrum, means the sacred bone, that they were aware that in this bone lies something that is very sacred. And I asked them “How did you get this idea, was that Alexander the Great who brought these ideas to you?”. They said “No, this is, this is thousands of years back we had a rapport with people who were Indians, Indo-Aryan groups, and that’s how we know about it”. Is most amazing. And so many other things I discovered which was so surprising, and so enlightening, that these people were very much aware of it. Now, in England there is a place called Stonehenge. I went to see that place, Stonehenge: has tremendous vibrations. Tremendous vibrations - the whole working of it is nothing but the three and a half coils it is placed, and it has come out of the Mother Earth. But people did not understand, they started covering it up and all they made into some sort of a pattern. But actually the main thing must have just come out of the Mother Earth; and it has tremendous vibrations and people don’t understand what it was. That means people did practice this Kundalini business there. I went to Colombia, I was surprised in Colombia: they told Me that the emblem of the Navy is a… what you call that? Condor, condor. Condor is called as a Garuda in Indian language, I don’t know if you know. It’s a very big eagle-like thing, condor. And they said condor is the emblem; I said: “Why condor? I mean, what has condor to do with the navy, I can’t understand”. So they said: “It is because our old people tell us that from India – that is Bharat – from India a God called Vishnu came on a condor”. Thousands of years back these people said about Vishnu who came on a condor. I mean, I was amazed at their description and how did they know, I said: “How do you know?” They said “It is said, and that’s why we put it as condor”. We said it’s all right, we’ll have condor, because condor is very much respected. There is no condor available there, nobody sees them there, nobody knows much about it, but why they talk about condor is because their Indians say that Vishnu came on a condor to their country; now, where is Colombia, where is India. If you see the patterns of their ornaments is absolutely what we do in India, is to use the wire on top of the gold. I don’t know if you have seen their gold, gold ornaments, they had taken an exhibition round. But all of that, all Indian patterns, they said “the Indians came down to teach us”. Oh, I don’t know how Indians went in those days to teach them. It’s most surprising how they had a rapport in those days. And they lost the links. Like in, say, from Iceland I met a lady. And I just asked her, “What do you say for sugar in your language?”. And she said that it’s called as sharkara. Now, sharkara is the pure Sanskrit word for sugar. Pure Sanskrit word. Now then we discovered that the Sanskrit must have started somewhere near Norway, because it is said that it started at the place where that Rohini Nakshatra – is one of the constellations – is at right angle. Now that’s the place where it is at right angle, is Norway’s the place where it is at right angle. So maybe that the pre-Latin language got purified into Sanskrit – there was a big rapport in this time – and one became the Latin and another became the Sanskrit. And there are so many common words and common concepts that it’s remarkable how we have lost contacts and how we are separated now, even as nations. I went to Australia and I was surprised the language that they use has mostly Sanskrit words. Like the river on which we were, on the bank of which we were living, was called as Parramatta, means the Primordial Mother. I was surprised how this name was given to that river, Parramatta. Ask any Indian, he will know about it. And it’s something that we had an all-pervading knowledge of this, even in England, and must be in America also, I should find out some places where I’ll be able to locate these things. Especially the old Indians who lived in America, I saw them in Chile and Argentina, and in Colombia. And they knew so many Sanskrit words in their ritualism and all that, I was amazed how this Sanskrit was with them, from where did it spread and how did they have this knowledge of Kundalini. But this knowledge was a secret knowledge for many years. Thousands of years. There, there was a poet called as Markandeya, who lived I think they say about ten thousand years back. He has described about the Kundalini. But he has just described that She resides here, and She is awakened, and She passes those chakras and all that; but not in details and not very clearly: in a very mystic language. Now what happened in the beginning when people started their civilization, say in India, they first were faced with the nature. Though in India nature is very kind, you can live under a tree or you can live under any shade that you can get, even in a cave; and you can be quite happy, and you can eat some fruits, and the climate is so good, it’s not so cold and so hot and all that; so one can live very happily. And they had solved their problems like this, some people; and they were living in the forest and they started thinking about their own existence, why are we here. And when they started thinking about it, they meditated. And in meditation they discovered lots of things. And the thing they discovered that we have within ourselves a residual power called as Kundalini. And this residual power is the power which is not manifested, which is sleeping, which has created the whole of the universe that we are and yet not manifested, because it has to manifest giving you your Self-realization. This is the power of desire within us, the desire to become one with the Spirit. And that’s how they believed that there is this power that existed in all human beings and that it should be awakened. Today I’m trying to give you the little history of this, because one by one we’ll be going to the whole thing. Now there is another group of people, who just felt that “first of all we must try to master the elements”. And from these seers, they got information “to do that, you must use the fire element, worship the fire element”. And they started worshipping the fire element and started doing the homa and havanas, and the Vedas were written, for exciting the fire element and other elements, all the five elements. So all the Vedas were written how to master these elements by pleasing the Deities that rule us. Even in Greece they believed that everything has a deity, like they called the Varun, we call it as the Neptune, the one who is the Lord of the sea. He is called as Poseidon, they call it Poseidon to that special Deity like that. And they believed in it that that is so. The trouble is that that time they did not start rationalizing or sort of deducting it on this: they believed in their seers, and whatever their seers told them they believed it and they started working on that; and they wanted to excite these elements. The result of that is today’s modern science. The modern science that we have got is because we have been able to master these five elements. Now these five elements also that we have mastered, in our own freedom we might have created lots of problems for ourselves, for example we have created an atom bomb. One can say that by mastering this, what we have done is to create an atom bomb, and a neutron bomb and this bomb and that bomb. But also for your good: because once you have created it, it’s sitting like a devil there. Now you are all frightened of it, and “no more wars”. Because if any more wars start, you are all going to be finished like that. So even this devil that you have created is frightening you from there, and grinning at you: “Alright, you have created me, now you’d better behave yourself”. All such enterprises move in one linear direction, and they recoil back. Anything you try. Now you try to create plastic, now plastic is sitting on your head. You don’t know what to do with your plastics. You do anything like that, it comes back on you and it challenges you. For example now we can say that when we have got everything around, I mean, in New York, you see, you have got cars, you’ve got… you can move about, you have got food, you have got affluence, as it is you are affluent people. But people are running away from affluence, they have taken to counter-cultures, they’re fed up with this, all these plastics, nylons, finished with it, and now they are seeking something else, they are taking drugs and running away, they don’t want to carry the junks of their parents. They’re different type of people that are born. The same thing for which they were striving so much has now bothered them so much that they are trying to run away from it. So the reaction is built in on all these endeavours that we do with the elements, because elements cannot give you joy. No matter can give us joy. We think it can. For example if you want to build a house, “Alright, I must build a house, I must have mortgage, I must have this, that”, and you build the house. Still you are sitting miserable as if there is mourning on. What’s the matter? “Now I must have a car!”. Alright, you have a car. You have a car, you have a house and everything, and then you want to wear torn clothes. Why? “Because now I belong to counter-culture”. Why did you strive so much to have a house and a car and all that pomp and show and style, and now you are going for a counter-culture? Because you are not satisfied with it. And basically economics says this very clearly, that one want is satiable, and in general – in general – it is not satiable. The wants are not satiable in general: you want to have one thing, then you want to have another thing, want to have another thing. And then you get so fed up with these monkey tricks that you want to give up. You don’t want to be monkeys anymore, had enough of it. Like in England when I went, most of the people who came to Me, I asked them: “What are you doing?”. “Mother, I’m successfully unemployed” (Shri Mataji laughs, laughter) There’s a big cry against unemployment, Mrs. Thatcher is so much worried, that you see people are unemployed, but they are successfully unemployed! (Laughter) They want to be unemployed! That perhaps she does not know, that they don’t want to work, had enough of it, this madness, we don’t want anything. So they started running across, finding out, and the time has come now for many seekers to be born, now seekers who are beyond the seeking of material life, they are fed up, they want to seek something. At this juncture, the market started sending the news to people that “ah, this is the place where you can make money”. So the thing got flooded, specially your America, with all the great thugs of the world to come down here and settle down nicely exploiting you. That’s what it is. So the history of these people works out this way that now they are here, and we do not know what to do with ourselves and with them. But one should know that the nature has made us a human being. He has created us from amoeba to this stage for some purpose. And if God has created this creation with such care and asked with [? Unclear] some creation, there must be some purpose. He’s not going to allow His creation to be destroyed. These days in France if you find anybody sitting on the street they are discussing that there is going to be a catastrophe; in ’82, they say. And then if everything is going to be destroyed, so why worry? Better drink before that as much as you can. So they’re sitting on the streets with the bottles in their hands till they get absolutely drunk; they said “After all we are going to be destroyed in any case, so waiting for that”. And they are discus…- (She corrects Herself) - they are just worried about that. So they told Me that in New York they are discussing only two things. I said: “What, which two things are discussing?” “One is the dollar” - in American way “dallar” you can say – “and the another is the miseries and the sufferings”. I said: “Really?”. That’s the only things are these, talking about, is one is the dollar and the subsequent suffering one has to go through (laughs). It’s most surprising how we reach a point of the proper conclusion of everything but still we do not hit the right point. We reach a right conclusion, understanding that matter is not the thing that is going to give us joy, we have to go beyond, there’s something beyond we have to achieve. Whether you are a communist, or whether you are a capitalist, or anything, everybody knows that this is not satisfying. I’ve been to Russia Myself and the Russians I met they said: “But there must be something beyond this, isn’t it, is not everything”. Everyone of them said so, everyone of them. So, same here; and that, when it comes to that point, then only a mass evolution has to take place. And many people have to get realization, no doubt about it. So on the right hand side they tried to discover all the elements and all that, and they put that. First the desire came into people that “we should do something about it”. And when they found that this one (right side, ndt) is, feels little funny to work it out all the time running after matter, so they took to another style of emotional, that is devotion. Is to surrender yourself. Surrender anything to anything, like anybody comes in and says: “Now this is what I am,” alright: surrender. Surrender your brain, surrender your understanding, surrender your logic, surrender your wisdom, everything to that and just you’ll be alright. And that’s how then we found that all these incarnations who came on this Earth – a great incarnation like Christ, great incarnation like Mohammed, great incarnation like so many other people who came in India like Rama, Krishna, and all these, they made a nice pickle out of them. They started big, huge organizations, then big huge places, and… Though they were every time challenged, like I would say that papal authority was challenged by Martin Luther, who was a realized soul, all the people who followed Martin Luther went into another extreme of licentiousness and permissiveness. So from this end to that end, and from that end to this end. When they came on this side they became very, very, sort of ascetic, and they said “Oh, we all should become nuns and we should lead a life of absolute celibacy”. I don’t know where Christ has said that, I don’t think He could have said it that you become nuns, it is nonsensical. It is unnatural to be nuns and all that. And I mean, they look so horrid and so hot-tempered, I mean, they have no sweetness about them I mean, I don’t know if you have been to convents, look at the children: they just shake when they see a nun, supposed to be a sister! (Laughter) And they just shake, and they just don’t want to look at them! And these are the people in charge of God? And “going to marry Christ”, of all the things that’s the worst thing that you can do, is to say that you are going to marry Christ. It’s something I don’t know from where it came into their heads that they are marrying Christ. What right have they got to marry Christ? How are they connected with Him; I just don’t understand. But all sorts of nonsense, this is the greatest nonsense that they established on this Earth. And they started huge big nunneries and huge big what you call these churches and all that. The worst thing they did was to in the church to put all the dead bodies. I don’t know from where did they get this idea also, I just don’t understand. In the Bible, where is it written that you build all your churches on the dead people, walk on top of them, bring all your children to those cemeteries? But all sorts of nonsense they did, in Christianity, worse and worst in Hunduism. I need not tell you about Hindus, the amount of nonsense they have done. The person like Adi Shankaracharya who came in the sixth century, in the sixth century, he’s talked of nothing else but what I’m telling you. If you read his book – any book, I don’t know if they are translated; if they are translated – nothing else but what I’m telling you, that you have to become the Spirit; that you have to get realization. Once you get realization you get over all your jati. Jati means your aptitudes. All this caste system were based on the aptitudes of a person, not on the pre-natal system that you are born to a Brahmin you are a Brahmin; you could be a shudra born to a Brahmin. Is an aptitude, a one who is a seeker is a Brahmin. The one who know… wants to know about the Brahma, wants to know about God is a Brahmin. Is an aptitude. It’s really an aptitude, because if it was not so… Gita was written by Vyasa. Vyasa he was a great sage and he wrote Gita. And do you know his… I must tell you about his birth. He was born to a lady, illegitimate child, who was just a fisherwoman. And who married another man later on. This was Vyasa who wrote Gita, and how can you say – in Gita it is written, can you imagine, that your caste, your aptitude, is determined by your birth? Can you believe it? The one who is a illegitimate child, will he write like this? Luckily he was illegitimate, so today we can say that it is nonsense you have put in there. And this is all such things have been done to all the scriptures. All the scriptures they have tried to spoil, for their own purpose. Now, like Mohammed: Mohammed, you can’t imagine how He lived. His life was misery. And people tortured Him, these mad people there, I don’t know why did He take His birth there. It would have been better if He had taken birth in India, people would have respected Him. He did later on. But the way they tortured Him these nomadic people, they had no idea of God, nothing, He wanted them to know about God. He went there, they poisoned Him, they tortured Him, they never listened to Him. And ultimately when He died, then they said that He said that “I’m the last Prophet”. He might have said it also, might have said, doesn’t matter; but He saw the way they were behaving and He again He incarnated. He has to, any sensible man would be… You see, a Mother may say “This is the last time I’m coming to you”. Last time I did say to Americans, “This is the last time I’m coming to you”. But I had to come back, what to do? They had no sense at that time, I said, “Alright, this is the last time, I’m not coming to you”. But after nine years I just couldn’t help it, I said: “Alright, I must go back”. Now you would say, “You are the other Mother, this cannot be the same She had said that She will not come back”. Really, I did say. But that doesn’t mean that I will not come back. In compassion and love I have to come back. Because all My children are here, lost, what am I to do? I have to come back. And that’s exactly what happened about Mohammed. And now Mr. Khomeini thinks that he is the topmost man in the kingdom of God, I mean, he’s just next to God. God knows why he doesn’t say he’s also Bhagavan. He could say that he is Bhagavan. I mean, the way he is behaving you can see now clearly how fanaticism can be dangerous. And this is what has happened in the human awareness also that people accepted whatever was told to them. All these great incarnations are fruits or the flowers of the same living tree. But you take out the flowers from the tree and say “This is mine, this is mine”, fight [a warry (maybe from “war”?)], they become ugly and die and then you say that: “Oh, this is the religion I follow, I believe”. Now, what is that “I” in you that believes? We should challenge ourselves. Now, which one is this I, Mister I, within me that believes? Everybody says, even politicians, “I believe”. Now, who is this I? This I is Mister E-G-O, is not your Spirit. You are not your Spirit. When you say “I believe” it is your Spirit, then it is an absolute, is the truth. All those who are realized souls, believe in one thing. Because they become, all of them, collectively conscious and they feel one truth. For example if you have ten children, and they are realized souls, you ask them to put hands towards one person, and say: “Now, where is wrong with this person?”. They will all show the same finger [She raises finger of left Vishuddhi]. Same finger they will show, “It is here”. Even the child, may be a six-month old, he’ll put his finger in the mouth. So Mr. Freud said this is sex, now what to do with this half-baked fellow who doesn’t know anything, this Freud? Who has taken you over completely, I don’t know how you got into his mess! In all kinds of messes you have been into, and all sorts of cobwebs there have been. So now the best is first get over your ego, that’s the main part one has to play, and you have to become your Spirit. Now, to become your Spirit, you are beautifully made. There is the Kundalini, there is the Spirit in your heart. Though the seat of the Spirit is here (touches top of the head, ndt), but it resides in human beings in the heart. Now, when the Kundalini rises, She passes through these centers, and opens the Sahasrara. When this was going on, and the other side – the one where we were trying to sort of master the elements and on the other side we were having these devotions and surrenderings and all that – the third side, which is very important, which is the evolutionary side, was also worked out. The third side is the evolutionary side. And the third side was working out where people were working on this Kundalini, and were using it for giving realization to others. Now as it is you know, people are doing Hatha yoga very much in America. That’s also another jumble. Because Hatha yoga was practiced thousands of years back in India by Patanjali. Patanjali wrote about Hatha yoga. When we had four type of ashramas, or four periods of our lives, in which the beginning of our lives was a brahmacharya, when you had to lead a celibate life, live with a realized guru, there was a university which you had to join, and this university was called as gotra. Now for example my gotra is Shandiliya. Now this was thousands of years back, My fore-fore-fore-forefathers must have studied with Shandilya Muni and even today I am Go…Shandiliya. Now, I cannot marry anybody in Shandiliya Gotra. Even today. So can you imagine what was the celibacy. You were not only brothers and sisters, but the descendants of that even today cannot marry. This was the condition of the university, that in a university, when the boys went after five years of age, and the girls, they lived there till the age of twenty-five years, and they led a life of brothers and sisters like a family, in complete celibacy. At that time Patanjali shastra was useful (not completely audible – ed). Are these the circumstances today? It is meant for people who are not at all exposed to sex, to begin with. Secondly, it has got ashtangas, there are eight parts. Not one, eight parts. Out of that is Yama Niyama, is one of them. Out of Yama, one third is the exercise, one third. So I don’t know, you calculate how much part it is. And that -enth part of this thing has become now Hatha yoga. Now you start doing that exercise because for you Marylin Monroe is your heroine, or maybe Mrs Kennedy, I don’t know who she is, some sort of a person; so you must develop your legs like this, and hands like this, and all the men are trying to reduce their waistline and doing all kinds of nonsensical things. I mean, this physical body should not be that important; on the contrary one should try to keep it clean. Cleansing of the body is much more important; cleansing in the way that you don’t do anything wrong, with your hands. You mother people and here you are trying to reduce: what’s the use? There is no hole to enter into the God’s kingdom where you have to have certain amount of these caricatures which can pass through. What you have to have is a holy hand, holy feet, holy eyes, holy appearances. It has to be holiness. Nobody pays attention to holiness. They all pay attention to this physical appearances. By this they have lost a lot. And that’s how what happens you move too much on the right hand side, looking after your physical being which is only up to this part (right side, ndt), and what you neglect is your Spirit. So, all such people get heart attacks. Before getting heart attacks, they get emotionally drained out. They mostly have divorces, they see somebody, you see, they are like, we can say like fireballs; you don’t touch them. Don’t go near them, even if you talk to them they may come on you like dogs, and just start howling at you, you’ll not know how to do it, they’ll bark at you, you don’t know why, why they did it; just because they are like that. They are so hot-tempered, so ego-oriented, and they think no end of themselves. And such people exist here (right side, ndt), and so-called Hatha Yoga. There is no Yoga at all, on the contrary you run away from your Spirit. You run away from your Spirit, only you develop your ego there. Now, here as you see clearly, there are two lines shown. One is the left side, and the right side. Now this left line climbs and creates that blue thing there. Now what is this left line is the power of desire within us. This power of desire manifests outside the left sympathetic nervous system on the gross, but we are showing here the subtler side of our gross. Now on the right side you have this another power which shows yellow of the bile color, is the power of action. So we act by our physical being and our mental being. So is the physical and the mental, but you see English language is little funny, because when you say a mental patient, it means that something wrong on the left side. So what I mean is that the people who work out with planning, and with rationality, and all that, they use this part. And the people who use this part are the people who are doing physical labor, or physical attention, or Hatha yogi, and all those people who have thinned down, be on redumption [may that mean “on reduction?”] – all such people are on this side. On the other side, on the left hand side, is the power of desire. Here the people who are emotional, like who go on singing praises of Shri Rama and Shri Krishna on the street, up our Oxford Street, you see, with a thing hanging down, and singing songs and shouting and spoiling their Vishuddhi chakra and getting cancer in the throat. They are on the left hand side. Or the women who are extremely romantic, are emotional and always crying and weeping and troubling others, and this type of people are on the left hand side. Now this side, the left hand side – this side- is the subconscious, and beyond this is the collective subconscious. And this side, is the right hand side, is our supra-conscious and beyond it is collective supraconscious. Now this is in Sanskrit is called Adi Dhaiwik (right side, ndt) and this is called as Adi Bhautik (left side, ndt). All these things are there but nobody has told you. Now, when you go to these fake gurus, what they do is to push you on the left or to the right. Simple thing they do is to push you to the left or to the right. They can only do that, they cannot bring you up there, because here is the super-consciousness. They cannot awaken your Kundalini, they cannot raise it, so they either push you on to the left or to the right. Now beyond a certain area, the whole of the collective consciousness …[Shri Mataji corrects Herself]… collective subconsciousness – the whole, means from the creation. Now I was surprised that doctors have found out – thank God – that the cancer is caused by some proteins, called 58 Protein, 58 and 56 - they have even photographed it - who come into the system and trigger the cancer and they come from the area which was built within us since the time of our creation, but they don’t know what it is. I mean, I have told about this ten years back that the cancer is caused by the left side movement. Now if these gurus put you onto the left hand side, what happens? You get possessed by those proteins, we call them bhoots, are the dead spirits. You just get possessed, that’s all. You just get possessed, you see, that’s why you see if a false guru is there, there are fifty thousand people just mad, going like this, foolish, stupid people, don’t understand anything what they are doing, or what they have to achieve, if they know, or there is nothing like finding out anything, no discrimination, like silly useless lunatics they move. And they think: “Oh, we’ve got the knowledge”. Now, what knowledge have you got? If you ask them, “What’s the knowledge? Can you say what’s wrong with this gentleman? Can you say what’s wrong with you? You know where are you, where is your Kundalini?”. “Oh, we don’t believe in anything, we just believe in our guru”. Now what do you believe in guru, he’s going to go to hell direct, and you are going to follow him, that’s what it is. They are becoming mad, absolutely mad people, recluses. There is one group of people who paid three thousand pound for flying in the air. Alright? Three thousand pound, to fly in the air, I mean, I, yesterday I said that put your guru on the Leaning Tower of Pisa, it was built for that only; and throw him down, and see if he can fly (Shri Mataji laughs). If he can fly then alright, you can pay three thousand pounds to him. And then ultimately they end up as recluses. So much so that if you show them a garlic, a little bagged up garlic, they are frightened. Can you imagine, you get frightened of the vegetables? (Laughter) I mean, not even of animals but of vegetables, and you think you are achieving a flying trick! Such stupidity exists, that they go on falling into it and falling into it. And you are saints! You are chosen ones! You are great people, you have to achieve your Self. You don’t understand, you have no self-esteem, that you give away to these horrible people who are nothing but devils! You can see it so clearly writ large on their faces. They are not going to talk against them. Many people tell Me, “Mother, why do You criticize them?”. I said: “I will hundred times criticize them”. Let them come and face Me. None of them have put, filed a suit against Me, I’ve talked about them with names, nobody has filed a suit against Me, they dare not. Because I’ll expose them very nicely. And these people have not only ruined your Kundalini, all chances of your realization, but they have made you mad! So many people are epileptic. So many people are going to lunatic asylum. They are getting mad. And these people are supposed to be in charge of your spiritual evolution?! One must understand that when you become something higher, you’ll have a higher level-headedness. You have to be master of yourself. Like if somebody starts jumping on the seat that means he’s not in his own control, I mean, somebody is making him jump. You should be able to guide the whole thing, like I would say in a car we have a brake and an accelerator. Two powers. So this is the brake and this is the accelerator, you are trying to use it, you are balancing it. You are balancing it, you are trying to learn. Now you go to the left and right and you do all kinds of mistakes, alright. Then you learn it, you become a driver. Once you become the driver, the master who is sitting behind you, gives you the seat of a master. You become the master. And that’s what one should do, is to become the master. But supposing you are sitting in the car and your car takes you wherever it feels like; then are you the master of the car, or the car is master of you? These people are so authoritarian, they put authority on you, they make you feel that you are nothing. Now you ask them: “What is your authority?”. But how can you ask, because they have taken away your authority. In Sahaja Yoga you become your authority. You become your absolute, you become your Spirit. And then you judge others. And this is what it is, that you have to become masters yourself. I mean, these people are not equal to the dust of your feet. This is what it is. In the eyes of God. They take money from you and live on that – parasites, of the worst type, are these Lamas! They were parasites of these Tibetan people, poor people; they used to get money from them and live in Lhasa very nicely. Very “great” people, and having now in what, Gobi desert that Skambhala or Shambhala nonsense of that; let them all go to Gobi! (Laughter) Let them live there, that is the place meant for such people. They have taken money from the poor people, exploited them, and here like parasites living on them. What work are they doing? They are doing no work, and they are the people who can show you how parasites are. Now supposing if I tell you that you come and live with Me free of cost: will you accept? Anyone of you? They take money from you – there’s another fellow who has got fifty-eight Rolls Royces, one who has fifty-nine Rolls Royces. And you don’t understand! That you cannot give metal and get the Spirit. You have to achieve your own Spirit. It has to happen to you. You have to become the Spirit. And the third force [central channel, ndt] is your evolutionary force. Is the evolutionary force within us which is the sustaining force, by which we are sustained. Like carbon has four valences. Carbon is here [She shows Mooladhara on chart, ndt]. At this time the carbon was created with four valences, you see here. It’s a tetravalent. But in the gross it is carbon, but in the subtle it is innocence. In the subtle it is the innocence. Matter is innocent; if you hit it, it will hit you back. If you don’t hit it, it will not hit you. So the innocence, the embodiment of innocence, is here. And this chakra is the embodiment of innocence, and the Deity of that is called as Shri Ganesh, who incarnated later on as the Embodiment of innocence, was Christ our Lord, at that center where is the Agnya chakra. Now imagine, the One who is the embodiment of innocence, these horrible nuns are trying to marry Him! Will an innocent man marry? He doesn’t know marriage, He doesn’t know sex, He’s beyond these things! He’s not a human being, He is Omkara! He’s Pranava! He is the Divine power. How can He marry these women? These women, with their baser things, they want to sublimate it and say that “We want to marry Him”. If they want to marry they should marry human beings, they cannot marry God! And that is what He is, Christ. And the Christ’s Advent is very important in the history of our evolution. If I talk about Christ to Indians they say “You are trying to make us Christians”. If I talk to you about Shri Krishna you will say I am trying to make you Hindus. It’s a very funny world, I must say. Christ has said: “Those who are not against Me, are with Me”. Who are those? You didn’t allow Him to speak! Hardly you allowed Him to live for three years and you crucified Him! He rode the donkeys and I think all these donkeys have become now Christians. That was the symbol - that they crucified Him; and today again they are crucifying Him by not accepting that they must have their Spirit. They are to be born again. Now, they are to be born again means what? You certify “I am born again”? I mean, how can you certify yourself “I’m born again”? Is artificial! Like this, we have made a mess of all of these great Incarnations. Still Christ has said: “Everything can be forgiven”. And it’s true. Everything can be forgiven, all your sins can be forgiven, everything can be forgiven, but become the Spirit. If you don’t become the Spirit, then the dead will go to dead. Spirit is the only living thing, and Spirit is the only thing you should achieve, and that you should become, the rest of it is all mithya, is all falsehood, is all fake. Spirit emits the Brahma, the power, the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost as they call it. That is the Spirit within you that emits, and that’s what you should achieve - which organizes, which thinks, which acts, which works out everything that has to be done, and also with love. The whole thing put together is nothing but love. But love that only emits, which doesn’t receive anything. It doesn’t receive anything, I mean, if you want to hit Me also I’ll not receive it. I will not receive anything whatsoever you want to do to Me, that’s what it is. And that should happen to all of you, that you should not become anymore recipient of all these nonsensical things, but just manifesting your love to others. That should happen to every seeker. And once that happens, you reach that state which I described yesterday as Nirvikalpa Samadhi. That Samadhi must come, that awareness, enlightened awareness you must have, you must achieve that. In Sahaja Yoga one has to understand that it is your own progress which is important, and the progress of the whole that is important. It’s not only your own progress, but the whole, the collectivity – specially, as he has said, that at Vishuddhi chakra, here is the point of our evolution where we raised our head. Yesterday I told you that when we raised our head from animal kingdom we took up the responsibility upon ourselves, and that chakra is nothing else but your great country, America. You have been talking big, no doubt, you think you are going to solve the problem of the whole world, everywhere you go and meddle with. Like Vietnam, here, there, and that. And then you receive the bad things, you’ve done a mistake. If you had achieved your Spirit, then you don’t have to go anywhere, sitting here you can solve the problems. The All-pervading power with which you are connected – you’ll be amazed – works out instantaneously. Sitting down here you can work it out. Only one thing it cannot do: there it is helpless. And that’s a point I come before you with a folded hands. That is you have got your freedom to choose. If you are egoistical, if you are superego means you are possessed, you will not choose it. So with your own freedom, with your free will, you have to choose it. And if you have chosen it with your free will, it can happen to you, otherwise it will not. Because your freedom has to be respected, you have to enter into the kingdom of God, you have to become absolutely free citizens of that great freedom [May Shri Mataji mean “kingdom”?]. And if your freedom is not respected you cannot enter in. So first thing your freedom has to be respected, if you don’t want it you cannot get it. I cannot force on you, nobody can force it on you, nobody would like to do it. It is you you have to ask for it. That’s why He said: “Seek”. Christ has said: “You have to seek”. If you seek, if you ask for it, you’ll get it. You have to knock. If you do not knock, the door won’t open. Door should open for us, everybody thinks “While sitting down here we should get it” – no. You have to ask for it. Then only you can enter into the kingdom of God. Imagine a person who is a slave: will you make him the king? We have to free from our ego and from our superego, that’s why Christ is sitting down there at that point, where you enter into the kingdom of God which is the limbic area, on top there. When you awaken Christ, He sucks your ego and superego, all your karmas and your ego, all your conditionings and all your ambitions. Everything sucked in – by sucking that only you get this portion opened out which is called as the fontanel bone area and you get the cool breeze coming out, and many people have felt it yesterday. This is what it was said, that Christ should be awakened within us, He should be born within us, by which He sucks in. I wish Christians had carried this message properly to Indians. They did not. They gave such a funny idea about Christ that they put a loaf, imagine, loaf in the well and said, “This is the meat of a cow”. And they can’t eat the cow’s meat, so you all have become Christians. Like that villages after villages became Christians, imagine what a message of Christ they gave to people. If they had told about this, then people would have known that the One who is promised as Mahavishnu, who is going to come on this earth to take away all our karmas and all that, people would have taken to another course. But it never came. So still they are, poor things, are plodding with their karmas, and here the gurus are coming and telling you that you have to get over your karmas. Imagine. Now what are these gurus paid for, then? If you have to do… Anything happens, they say: “It is your karmas!”. Then why are you paid for? You are taking all our money, everything from here, and having big huge places for yourself, and where we are suffering here under pressures and all kinds of things. And you are telling us that this is because of “your karmas”. If it is so, what is the need you to be there? So this is what one has to understand, the general history of these three things I told you: one is the power of desire, we call it as the Mahakali power. Maha-Kali power. This is the another power, is the power of action which is Kriya shakti – actually this is called as Iccha Shakti and Kriya Shakti – but in our language, in Sahaja Yoga language, called as Mahakali – this is called as Mahasaraswati. And this as Mahalakshmi. Mahalakshmi is the power of evolution. And Christ’s Mother was the Incarnation of Mahalakshmi power. And how, and why, that I will tell you later on, when I’ll come to this by chakras and chakras. I hope they have been able to follow My lecture and I’ve been able to explain, but if there is no explanation, and if you want to know about something, you can ask Me. May God bless you. [A lady asks an inaudible question and mentions about Freud] Shri Mataji: I know. Where’s this Freud, you see, your great Mr. Freud. Must be another devil, I must say, to put this idea. He didn’t know anything, he had no business to talk about it, he was most unauthorized person. What did he know? He didn’t know anything, you read his book and… Find Jung thousand time better. Jung something knew about it, you see, he got his realization also. This fellow, Freud, he died of cancer. When you see his dying of cancer at least don’t follow him. But you all have become Freudians. In London there are only 12 Jungians. You see? And all of them are Jews, so they don’t believe in Christ. So how can you talk to them? Jews don’t believe in Christ. Why? And that’s why they wanted to suffer. Alright, so you had suffering, had it. Now will you believe in Christ or not? They want to suffer, alright, have it. They asked for it. For eleven years this thing was growing up, this racialism in Germany, if you read the history of Germany, it’s most surprising. And these Germans used to kill the Jews, do this – “Oh, we have to suffer”, among themselves they used to say. If somebody’s killed they would never protest, for eleven years. Then, then Hitler came into power, afterwards. And then he started doing all these things, for eleven years they were trying to suffer. Now they had a real, right, “royal” suffering. That’s what they had. Still if you meet a Jew he’ll still say “I don’t believe in Christ”. Who are you not to believe in him? Warren: Many children suck their thumbs now… Shri Mataji: Ah, that, this thumb (left thumb, ndt) they suck because you are catching on the left Swadishthana. If you go to some horrible guru, they will start – poor things – sucking this thumb. Means left Swadishthana. You are going to some unauthorized person, the child may be a realized soul, and he’ll start sucking his thumb. We give so much trouble to our children, we have no idea. And now so many realized souls are going to be born. There are, so many, and to our sahaja yogis… now Gavin has a daughter, her name is… [yogi: “Olympia”]… Olympia, because I went to Olympics before that, you see. And so when I came back I gave her the name Olympia. And if you see her, she’s a tremendous child. Tremendous child. If she was here, she would not allow Me to speak, I have to take her in My lap and speak to you. Have you got a photograph? The green? Eh? Alright. My purse is not there… So many children are born. There’s another one – when I went to Greece there was another child was born, Athena. And so many; there’s another one who is called as Dattatreya. We have so many now in England, born realized. And they know. They get after people, you see, they work. We have lots of people, about ten or twelve children sitting down and lots of people, and they help Me, they are around Me and they tell Me: “Here it is”. They go on hitting, and they start improving the chakras and giving bandhans, and all that, and they work it out so well, they know so much. My own grandchildren, four of them, are first class realized souls. First class. Absolutely top class people. Some very great souls. Very great souls, and they are so simple, and they understand things so well. Like the younger one, she’s the youngest was about three years of age, and she was going to some nursery school, and she brought a paper – imagine, in a little children’s school, they sent a paper – saying that there’s a course on for youth, for your transformation. So she brought the thing and she said: “What is written in this thing?”. I said: “You can change if you join this course for hundred rupees, you have to go to a hotel”. So this little one says: “How can that be possible? By paying hundred rupees you cannot just do it! The Kundalini must be awakened, otherwise how can you? Kundalini doesn’t understand money!”. The little one says, three-year-old. The elder one says: “But by doing a course, if you can do it, my father has done fourteen courses, his Kundalini’s not yet risen”. Just see, how simple it is for them to see. But you cannot see. Is your ego, you have over-developed ego, you think you can study. You mean to say people who are not educated are not going to get realization? Is a living, living thing. Do we study for our breathing? Imagine we have to go to library to understand how to breathe: what will happen to all of us? We’ll never reach the library! (Laughter, She laughs) Yes? Seeker: Mother, I think, you know, yesterday something very – I can’t understand, but was very nice, very good happened, and I would like to do it - what to do? I didn’t come today to the workshop, but how can I find out? Shri Mataji (Laughs) I mean, if you don’t come to the workshop [Seeker: I will come], what should I do? Seeker: Can I try again? I’m coming here… Shri Mataji (laughs): Now, I would say. Put your willpower. What I’m saying, put your willpower. I’m here only for five days, not more than that; now only four days. Now, make best use of Me, what else can I say? Alright? I am staying in that hotel because of you, alright, that you could come and see Me in the morning time. Those who came, ask Herman (?): how much he was helped, how much he learnt. How will you learn unless and until you come to Me? Alright? You must come; put little willpower. You see, supposing I had taken hundred dollars from you: you would have come. Definitely, I know American temperament. (Laughter). You see, I asked them why they do it. You see they said it’s like this: you buy a ticket for a picture, or say for a play, alright? And the play is horrible, but you say ‘we paid, so let us sit down’. You paid for it, you see, everything is paid for, is paid for: that’s why. But you cannot pay Me and you cannot buy Me. But you must tell yourself, that “If I am a realized soul, I should know all about it”. Alright? Put in your willpower. Put in your willpower. Because I cannot mesmerize you and I cannot force you. Here all those who came to Me this morning were very much helped, and you are much better now. Ask anyone of them, how much happier they are. Some people who had a very bad back and all that, I cured them, and somebody had a pain here (touches neck, ndt), I cured him; everybody was helped, no doubt. Everybody was helped very much. Those who didn’t come would be lagging in their progress, definitely, no doubt about it. A seeker says something. Warren: Yes. We’ll make an announcement at the end of the program precisely where you should come. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes of course. I’m sticking onto that place. I’m not getting out at all. Actually they lock Me in. (Laughter) And they keep somebody to watch Me, I may disappear you see, in the thin air, so I’m just there for you, waiting for you. I’ve come all the way for you only, isn’t it. What have I got to do in this New York the great? Yes? Seeker asks question. Warren repeats it to Shri Mataji: “He’s saying that “I said I had problems with my chakras, other people who have trouble with can you help them?” Shri Mataji: Of course; you can also help yourself, and I can help you also, and you will know everything about it; everything you will know. You see, if I know what’s there? If I have all the powers what’s there? Why should you believe in Me? You should have your own powers. This is simple. Alright? Any other questions? They are very positive people, I must say. [Seeker asks a question about people doing pranayama to raise Kundalini] Shri Mataji: You cannot do it by effort. It’s not, is not correct. On the contrary pranayama gives you sinus problems. And so many other problems. Then this Hamsa Chakra gets caught with the pranayama. This is a very bad chakra which once caught it’s very difficult to correct. Seeker asks question about meditation; “How about meditation? Do you feel it’s good to meditate?” Shri Mataji: You cannot “do” meditation, you have to be in meditation. Once it happens, you are there, you are in thoughtless awareness, you are watching everything like a witness. The whole thing looks like a drama. Seeker continues: It seems to come and go, sometimes meditation comes and then it’s not there, and it varies (unclear)… Shri Mataji: It cannot be; if you know everything about Kundalini and if your Kundalini is really done, then it does its workout – in the beginning you have to be carefully for a month only. For a month you have to give little intensive care; and then it’s all right. It’s like a patient coming out of intensive care. But you have to treat yourself first of all like a patient. Look after yourself, put full effort to understand everything, cure yourself, and you are all right. But put some willpower, you see. You should have come. I asked them, what about the boy who wanted to get married? I could have got you a bride today (Laughs loud, general laughter) Alright, but now you might miss the point! (Laughs loud). Yes My child? Lady seeker says that she felt very angry about the comment about the Jews. Shri Mataji: About whom? Lady seeker: About the Jews. Shri Mataji: You should not be angry with Me. Lady Seeker: No, I want to tell you what happened. I am not angry with You… Shri Mataji: Alright. Then lady seeker tells about her ancestors who were poor, had no money and didn’t know what was going on…) Shri Mataji: I know, I know. (Seeker continues with her story – “Anyway and I believed in the Christ’s Spirit, that I must believe in Jesus Christ”) How can you treat that? Alright we’ll see, alright we’ll see. (Seeker continues with her story - inaudible) No, not, it’s not… it’s true, I was also a Jew once upon a time, for your information. (Seeker: what?) I was also a Jew in one of My lives. Alright? And I was sympathies with them, but they are foolish to say that they should suffer: why should they suffer? (Lady seeker: Suffering is ridiculous) Alright, alright. Then they say that “We don’t believe in Christ”: what right have they got to say so? They have to believe, because Christ was a Jew Himself. You know, I was born in an Indian Christian family in India. No Indian Christian believes in Me. You’ll be surprised, not a single Indian Christian. All are Muslims, Hindus, Jains, Parsis, everybody. You will believe Me or Americans, but Indian Christians don’t believe in Me. That’s what. (Seeker: Indian Christians don’t believe in You) No. (Warren: That’s what She’s talking about) Shri Mataji: I couldn’t believe it! They are the only people who don’t believe in Me. Male seeker: They are too close. Too close. Shri Mataji: Eh? Seeker: Too close. Shri Mataji: It’s jealousy, I think. I don’t know what it is. It’s funny. But if I was, say, if I was the President of India, they would have been all very close to Me. My nearest relations would have been there. You see, because then they think materially they can have advantage. But believing in Me for them is very difficult. Except for My own brothers and sisters, because they know Me from My childhood. And My father himself and My mother. I don’t think any Indian Christian really believes in Me. There are people who have cast My horoscope and he said: “You are tremendous I mean, just can’t believe it that this is Your horoscope” and all that, but he cannot believe in Me. See, there’s still a barrier, because he’s an Indian Christian. Perhaps they think to be Indian Christian is very low, and how can I be something so great? Maybe that, or they don’t believe in themselves, I don’t know what it is. But it’s a fact. And that’s why Jews did not believe in Christ. And even today they are trying very funny things, like there was a questionnaire, I will tell you, in London; the Jews are trying you see – they have money – so they told the Times people to put some sort of an article against Christ. And what they said was that in the Bible it was said that a girl is going to give birth to Christ according to the Hebrew language, but not a Virgin. Now, in those days, girl meant a virgin; even today in India “kanya” means a virgin and also means a girl. Means they didn’t have eighty-year-old girls as we have in America (laughter) in those days, you see. And it means that. And now another logical thing one can see that if the girl was not going to give birth, then is a man going to give birth? Why did they say “girl”, if it was just a woman, why did they say particularly girl? Such absurd things about this shroud of Christ also, they created another controversy for nothing at all, that the shroud of Christ. It is His shroud, no doubt, but when He died, He was tied with it, means from both the sides it was pulled out, so very longish face and all that, He was not that longish type of a person. And because you see after all the color is smearing, is part of the body, it cannot be three-dimensional, so it looks very thin and sickly and pulled out stuff. It is His shroud, no doubt, but this was the shroud that was, that covered Him when He was just taken out and was covered and put in the grave. Now they are saying this was the shroud they used - is a proof that He was taken and smuggled into another country and He never resurrected. This is the speciality of these Jews they are establishing now. I said, “Now, anybody who has common sense if they have to smuggle a body from one country to another, will they cover it with a shroud which has got all the bloodstains on it?”. Think of these people how they are after Christ. They talk of Yehowa, who is an abstract God, and they are the grossest people, I can tell you, they think of money, money, money, money, five times. They talk of the abstract – now we have many, many sahaja yogis who are Jews. (Seeker asks to repeat) Sahaja yogis who are Jews. And they feel it. And they feel so worried, so worried – two of them had come here, now they have gone away – about their parents, and about other people, what’s going to happen to these people. They see, because Christ exists there (She points at Her Agnya, ndt), I can prove it to you on Kundalini. I’ll prove it to you on Kundalini – Kundalini won’t rise unless and until you accept Jesus Christ Himself – nobody else but Jesus Christ – I’ll prove it to you. (Seeker says something like I accept this theory…). Shri Mataji: No, no, this you are accepting at this level. Is not the point. At that level you’ll accept. At that level when you’ll become the Spirit. At this level, whatever you are accepting is your own concept, because you are born as a Jew. If you were born as a Christian, you would have been: “I’m Jesus Christ”. There are many like that, who are saying like that. There’s one gentleman who is saying “I’m Jesus Christ” now. I said, “Put him on the water”. (Laughter) Can he walk? Just let him walk, one foot up and one foot down! (Laughter). It’s very simple, you know, to believe into anything. Khomeini believes he is God himself. I mean, how can you say that? There is nothing absolute about it, you have to find the absolute. Alright? When you find your absolute, then you should say: “This is the truth”, not believe. Alright? Many Jews now have become sahaja yogis, they have become the Spirit. (Lady seeker: I haven’t yet (?) No, no, I’m just telling you that many Jews have become, and they are following it up and understanding. You are nothing, you are the Spirit, I know that, I see you are the Spirit, but you have to become that. Spirit has to come in your awareness, it has to come in your central nervous system, it exists, I see that, clearly. (Lady seeker asks another question.) Warren repeats to Shri Mataji: “She is asking for You to comment on child abuse, and all the dreadful things that happen and she is wondering why, if there are so many of these young children who are realized souls, why do they suffer so much”) Shri Mataji: You see, in these countries, only the extremely highly developed people will be born, or the absolutely the most negative, the anti-Christ will be born. The mediocres are not going to take birth in this country, where the children are treated like this. They’ll be born in India. That’s why we are having population problem! (Seeker says something - probably abuse -that happened to her when she was ten years old) That’s why you see why we have a population problem in India: because you ill-treat your children! And the children don’t want to be born here. In England a radio fellow came and asked Me – as usual sinister, as usual – he asked me that: “What about your population problem?”. I said, “You are responsible, I’m sorry for that”. He said, “How are we responsible?”. I said: “In England two children are killed every week, statistically; which sane child would be born in that horrible country, except for somebody who is of a very [“dervish”?] temperament, dynamic, who’ll come and put them right?”. And these children are born to take over, let them grow. They’ll teach them all of them a lesson. (To the lady seeker) Don’t you worry. You’ll pass through all that. You’ll overcome that. (Seeker says something) I know they are satanic. I know they are satanic. They are satanic people. But they’ll be put right. Don’t you worry. These children will surpass them. They are great. They are dynamic. They are special people. Don’t you worry about them. They’ll be all looked after. They’ll get over it. Warren: Any other questions or shall we have it now? The thing is to get it. And then the questions get answered. Shri Mataji (talks to somebody): Now what about your “bhagavan”? Better take out from your dresses. Better take it out. This is no, no… Warren: Take it off. It’s going to absorb vibrations and stop your Kundalini from rising. Shri Mataji: Absolutely you’ll feel so hot in the beginning only. You’ll feel terribly hot. Seeker: Bhagavan once was my guru, but then I left. Shri Mataji: But you better leave him! Seeker: … wear the beads, what about it? Shri Mataji: Why? No, no no! Beads also, no no, nothing, nothing, anything that you might from him, throw it away in the sea! Horrible fellow he’s already finished. Seeker: Yes? Tell me something about Bhagavan, who is he?(Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs) Shri Mataji: Tomorrow (laughter) I’ll tell him who he is. Seeker says something about America. Shri Mataji: You Americans are very, very liberal people, you have asked all the anti-Christ to come and settle down here. And their vibrations are going to explode, and all earthquakes are going to come in this country if you don’t throw them away. Your media is not going to listen to Me, they don’t want to come to Me, and listen to this. This country will be destroyed, you take it from Me. You give them ranches and all that. (Seeker says it was bought) Shri Mataji: He bought it? (Seeker asks about the beads) Shri Mataji: Nothing, nothing, you give up this dirty cloth! Horrible, everything is horrible, very bad vibrations. I’ll tell you tomorrow who he is. Alright? All of them were devils, very well known to Me, long time back. About fourteen thousand years back I knew them. One better than the other. Seeker: He’s a devil? He is a devil. Can’t you see? What is holiness in him? His whole ashram is gutted and all that, finished. Indians never liked him. Lady seeker asks a question. Shri Mataji: You can see the pulsation of the Kundalini, you can see the rising of the Kundalini, you can feel the pulsation on your fontanel bone here (She touches fontanel bone). Then when the pulsation stops, then you see the cool breeze coming out, you can feel it. You see, you should feel. Lady seeker continues and asks if one can feel the devil or the spirit in another person. Shri Mataji: Yes, you can also feel it. Everyone will feel it. There is no devil in you, none of you: you are all saints. But the trouble is these devils have put some spirits in you, you are possessed. Which you have to cleanse. That you will yourself feel. Male seeker: My whole body here I felt very hot, my whole body was very hot. Shri Mataji: I know. (Seeker: And it was cool out) That’s it, that’s it. Coming to Me you’ll feel hot even, I told you, that you better change this dress of yours next time. Seeker: This color… Shri Mataji: Horrible color this one is, why to announce it? Seeker: What? Why to announce that you are a sannyasi? If you are you are, you don’t announce it, do you? Seeker: You don’t need to wear this colour? You should not wear this color… Shri Mataji: Throw it away! Throw away all his books, throw away his photographs, throw away everything! Seeker: But the color is not Bhagavan, the color is God. Isn’t it? Shri Mataji: No, no. This color symbolizes something, na? It symbolizes someone. It’s a symbol. And that gives you, gives you bad vibrations. It does, it does. Moreover, I am deadly against this color from the very beginning, which I’ll tell you tomorrow. Red is first class. (Seeker: Red, not orange?) Red one, not orange. (Seeker: I see.) Alright? Warren: You’ll know that the orange people, all over the world, buy that dress. Shri Mataji: You don’t know. The other day somebody came to Me, he said: “Mother, I have to make one prayer to You”: I said, What? He said: “Please save all the orange people” I said: “Who are these orange ones?”. Then he said: “These Bhagavans”. Bhagavan! Bhagavan can’t even smell a flower! Imagine the Bhagavan! In the books of the Vishnu is written He is the one who is fond of flowers. The Goddess is the fond of flowers, She’s the one who is fond of lotus. She sits in the lotus, She can’t live without the flowers – I can’t exist without flowers! And this fellow is, have you ever heard any saintly person to take flowers for that person? Can’t you see that? What he wants is gutters, he can’t bear the perfumes, he must have gutters. Dirty fellow he is. Send him to some bathroom and dump him down there. He’s already gone to his doom, don’t you worry. Horrible dirty, filthy man. Useless. (To Warren) You must show them this film: have you got it? Oh, you must see. (Warren: It shows all the nonsense and horrible stuff going on in the ashram) You must see. (Warren: The film was called: “The God who has fled”). Shri Mataji: “The God who has fled”. (Warren: He ran away from India, and now he’s hiding somewhere near the desert…”). Shri Mataji: And your media has even got time to come and see that! You see, what to do with these horrible media that you have here? But the best part of it they published the advertisement, somebody told Me, in the Time magazine of London, and you know Time magazine is closed permanently. Is closed. They are inauspicious people. These clothes are inauspicious. I hope I’ll be able to give realization but with these clothes I don’t know. I don’t know. Lady seeker asks a question. Warren repeats: “What about praying for somebody who is false?”. Shri Mataji: You see, when you are praying, to whom are you praying? To God, alright? You should be first connected or not? We are praying without our connection, like we are telephoning without the connection established, we spoil that telephone also. Better first when you are connected, then even if you say it once it works out. But you should be connected. You must enter into the kingdom of God. For example I am not an American citizen, I have no right as an American citizen, isn’t it? You have to become the citizen of God’s kingdom, then you have every right to ask for anything, otherwise you have no right. Unless and until you become a Spirit, you don’t have any right, whatever you may say. And if you say: “I’m that, I’m that”, people will put you in the jail. That’s what it is. You have to become. Then the prayer has meaning. Krishna has said clearly that should be Ananya Bhakti. Ananya means when there is not the other, when you are connected; that should be the time when you can worship. But I see the Hare Rama people, till they get their throat cancer, they are busy with that: what am I to do? They are not called orange: they are called what? Skinheads (laughter). (Shri Mataji laughs) And they are selling in the market that stuff, you know, which they wear here (She mimes a sort of ponytail behind the head, ndt). And they put that down, like a little hair coming out here you see. Warren: Like a wig. Shri Mataji: Wig. Is a special wig, Hare Rama wig. And they dance in that Oxford Circus and it’s shameful to see their, they wear those saris and dhotis and everything falls down, and they are dancing like mad, “We are mad in the love of Shri Krishna”. Imagine. What a caricature. And their guru used to look like one of our jockeys called Leslie Piggott: have you seen his face? Imagine worshipping Shri Krishna looking like that. Actually Vishuddhi gives you a face, a special face, Vishuddhi should. But the face he had was all kinds of wrinkles all over, all over the places, just like Leslie Piggott. He could be a good jockey but he’s died now. Is the person calling himself as “God’s devotee”. Imagine, a shame for God also to have such devotees who are TB patients. Seeker: Are other gurus today negative like Sai Baba? Shri Mataji: Which one, this with the hair? He is horrible, he is a big devil. (Seeker pronounces another name – sounds like Meher Baba.). Ah, horrible. There are real gurus also, I wouldn’t say that they are all horrible. They are in the market. The real ones are there, many are there, but they are not in the market. One of them I asked him to come here, he stayed in New York only for two days and ran away. He wouldn’t stay here. But they are very hard taskmasters. There are. And you will become: why are you worried about anybody else? You are going to become even better gurus than they are. (A lady seeker asks a question). Shri Mataji to Warren: “About what?” Warren: “Ramana Maharshi”. Shri Mataji (smiling): He was a realized soul. Warren: He was a realized soul. Shri Mataji: No doubt. That’s true, but not his disciples, are horrid. No, he was a realized soul, like Christ Himself was an incarnation Himself, but His disciples, the Christians, God save us from them. Lady seeker: What about Ramakrishna? Shri Mataji: Not at all, he was not a realized soul. He was a seeker like you. But he, how he did everything it was too much. I mean, what was the need to cry like this all the time like a madman, he was dancing and all that? There was no need to do all this drama, I think he was a very dramatic. Seeker: His was more like a devotional style. Too much left. Shri Mataji: Too much left. Nonsense. You know, God must have [been] fed up with such people. Like My granddaughter: we had a, in the neighborhood there was a temple. And they were dancing and singing like that. So she told Me: “Grandma, you see, God must have already run away from that temple no doubt, now I’m going to run away, I’m fed up of these people”. You know, you should not pester God also like this. This is too much. And what right have you got? One thing is that, supposing if I want to meet your President, supposing, I even want to meet your President I must have a proper protocol. I just cannot go and start shouting: “Oh President, oh President”, as if he is in My pocket. In the same way this is nonsense, absolute nonsense. You can see yourself. Ramakrishna ashram people mostly dying of cancer, I must say. Cancer. Cancer has taken over, I must say, I’m sorry, but at least I must have seen at least hundred cases, at least hundred cases from that, who are coming with cancer. I mean, he’s left-sided. And this Satya Sai Baba, this devil - the real one was there, Shirdi Sai Nath was real. But the second one, the one who is, he gives you heart attacks. Lady seeker: May I ask You about Sri Aurobindo? Warren: Aurobindo. Shri Mataji: What do you think? (Lady seeker says she was a visitor of his ashram but she got very bad vibrations). (Shri Mataji laughs) Warren: That’s your answer. That French woman of his, was a drunkard. The French woman he had was a drunkard. And she used to collect nothing but diamonds. And she had such big huge diamonds. And she was going to become young after some time. God knows what happened to her now, she’s finished. And they used to say, if you have to come to their ashram, then you must give all your assets to these “Johnnies”, Aurobindo and his mother or whatever relationship they had, all nonsense. (Lady seeker continues by saying she felt terrible) Shri Mataji: That’s what it is! Warren: This means you are a seeker and you are becoming aware of the negativity. Shri Mataji: Horrible they are. Absolutely horrible people. They make you mad. [A seeker says that Bhagavan will make you crazy – Shri Mataji laughs aloud, laughter - he says every part of his body became in flames and he almost died. He had the pain for three years.] Shri Mataji: I mean, this is nothing. He has given blisters to people all over. Ask your people, (...unclear), all of you should really write to your newspapers and things and ask them, “What are you doing about this man?”. How can he buy anything? You should prohibit. In India why doesn’t he buy anything? He can’t. He can’t. The government just put down their foot. Lady seeker: The more realized that you become, do you become like doctors? Shri Mataji: Of course, of course, the doctors have no place there, you save all your money from the doctors and all that. You become the doctor! You should become more healthy, you should become more wise, you should become more alert, you should become more dynamic, you should become control over everyone else. See? No more you are greedy. I mean, it’s a different thing, your priorities change completely. That’s what you deserve. That’s what you are. That’s what you should have. You have earned it! This is your bank balance I’m telling you about. I’m here just to sign your checks. (Laughter) If you have the bank balance. That’s what you are. Male seeker asks a question: “What is Your role in helping one realize himself?” Shri Mataji: What is My…? Warren repeats: “What is your role in all this, in helping one realize oneself?”. Shri Mataji: I don’t know what is My role is. I don’t know. Seeker continues: What do you do to make it rise, the Kundalini? Shri Mataji: I don’t do anything either. (Warren: You’ll find out yourself after…) No no no, I’ll tell you what. Is simple: now, will you ask the sun “what is your role”? It is the sun, it has to do it, just do it. You better do it. What can you do, it’s your nature! It’s My nature, I mean, there’s no role as such, it’s nature. What can I do: it just happens! (Laughter, Shri Mataji smiles) I enjoy, I enjoy. I want to share My enjoyment. You are My children, I have to give it to you. Is My love, I enjoy My love: that’s all. It’s rather difficult to understand a person like that, isn’t it? (She smiles). But there is One: can be One like that. In all this mess there can be One like that, who just does it out of love. That’s, that’s - it’s just love and compassion. Is ocean of compassion. I can’t get over it, I’m sorry. (Laughter) I have a very good husband, very good family, I’m a very happily married woman, everything is there, but without you I cannot enjoy life: cannot. You all have to get it, it’s My job, it’s My mission, it’s, that’s how I’m here, that’s how I’m created. I’m just made for this. I’m fixed for it, in American language (laughter). Or we can say: all set for it. Alright? There’s no role, nothing: it’s just I’m set, I have to do it. Male seeker asks if there is a method to make the Kundalini rise. Shri Mataji: No method, no thing. As far as… there’s a Divine method, you see, which cannot be explained, in ordinary words – like you cannot explain how a flower becomes a fruit. Alright? But I raise your Kundalini by My own raising. Seeker: Beg Your pardon? Shri Mataji: By raising My own Kundalini. I put your Kundalini on top of My Kundalini (inaudible word – looks like “raise both”). This is an immaculate, you can say, immaculate rebirth. I put you in My heart and give you realization from My Sahasrara. Alright? But how I do it, that I can’t tell you. But you will also do it. Once you get it, your vibrations will do it automatically. Male seeker continues, Warren repeats: “How long does it take”? Shri Mataji: Oh, split of a second! Just split of a second, but if you are alright. Otherwise I have to cleanse you little bit. (Seeker: You have to do what?) Shri Mataji: I have to cleanse you a little bit. Alright? Male seeker says: I felt very hot when I asked You that silly question… So I’m willing… here You’ll be showing… I do not know what to do…, but we’ll find out! Shri Mataji: Ah, that’s it. Warren: Here in America She’s going to establish a group, all of you could get together…) Shri Mataji: No, Herman has offered his place for this thing, very sweet of him, to have offered it. No, Herman has offered his place and I’m going to sanctify it, I’m going to see the place and all that, and we’ll start our centre there. Christine is here, she’s a very old sahaja yogini in the sense that she came to Me one of the first seven I had, for four years, she’s one of them. And she knows a lot about Sahaj Yog. Then in Boston we’ve got Steve and you all are going to grow very fast - and we’ve got here another one Christine who is in Boston, then I don’t know about Tracy if she’s going to come down and settle down here. And also, who else? Is Marsha, but Marsha has now gone to Philadelphia and she is going back to England, then she is going to come back with her husband and settle down in Philadelphia. So you are going to have these people here to help you and give whatever guidance you need. And you yourself will start understanding it very well. Very soon. Four-five days are sufficient to equip you. So the reaction comes to you as heat, you see, if you try to be … (She laughs) Alright, I didn’t do anything, I’m just sitting here, am I doing anything? Alright, now let’s have it. (Warren asks people to take off their shoes) Shri Mataji: Yes, please, that’s what is the simplest thing to understand. Now, can I remove this part of the thing that is hanging onto My neck? What, has it improved anything? I don’t know: did it? (Warren: It’s for the television). Shri Mataji: Aah! That’s the one! I don’t understand all these things. Whatever you say I will do: only thing be satisfied. Right? Good, is there, still is there, not lost. Lady seeker says something: “I think I have it most of the time at home now” Warren repeats: “She thinks she has it all the time”. Shri Mataji: Good, good, keep it up. Keep it up. And then I’ll tell you everything about your theology later on, alright? (Lady seeker apologizes that she could not come, maybe to the hotel to meet Shri Mataji, but she is going to come tomorrow). Shri Mataji: Alright. I’ll tell you all about it. All about it. Slowly, slowly you will know everything. You see, there are many things which are true and many things which are false. And with vibrations you can verify it. (Lady seeker says something) Shri Mataji: Ah. Nobody (?) could be more aware of it than Me. (Lady seeker: And some terrible things are going on in Christianity, they are destroying people.) Shri Mataji: You don’t know how much concern I have. You have no idea. (Lady seeker says that things that happening in Christianity are worse than… inaudible) Shri Mataji: I mean, you can’t say that, is both ways, everywhere just the same, I’m very aware of it, I’m very aware of it. Jesus Christ came in that fashion, and it brings such disgrace. I’m very much concerned, very much concerned on My own level and work things out in My own way. Lady seeker: And I was a nun for ten years, I mean, I have seen horrible things. Warren: She was a nun for ten years, contemplative nun. Lady: I mean, I got in such spiritual pain… I suffered, and I saw no reason that I had for that suffering, but I saw and I mean, it was awful, it was terrible. Shri Mataji: I know, I know that. You know this Pope of yours, I went to Cracow, I went with My husband to Cracow, just before, before he became the Pope. And you see, he’s a big man, so they took Me, they said: “What are you interested in?”. I said: “I’m interested in churches”, so they took Me to Cracow. And they had a mass, you see, this fellow came and shook My hand and I raised his Kundalini alright, and it pierced through also. But it again went back, because he’s a Christian like that. And I worked on him quite a lot, but you know what happened? Recently there was a photograph of Pope. And his hand came out like this (She rises right arm, ndt) and the hand is missing, this hand is missing. (Lady seeker: “I know, I know what you are saying, I know about this”). Shri Mataji: And that photograph was published, they don’t know how it was published. Then they have seen these points. And Rome, in Rome people are very much against him. Very much against all institutions, it’s nonsense, they know. (Lady seeker: Horrible) Shri Mataji: We have somebody here, whom you should talk to, then he’ll tell you about it, and the one who wrote this book “Advent”. He was, he was also wanting to become a priest and all that, and he is very much against it. Actually against Catholicism I spoke about three, two years back, isn’t it? (To some yogi) In your wedding I spoke. Very much. Lady seeker asks Shri Mataji that, as She said She had a Christian background, whether it was a Protestant or a Catholic approach. Shri Mataji: Lutheran. Lady seeker: Pardon? Shri Mataji: Lutheran. I was baptized by Lutherans (She laughs) And then - then My father was a member of the Church of Scotland, Presbyterian. I have no background, neither My father had. My father was a very learned man, and a very evolved soul, you see. He knew 14 languages, then he had mastered Sanskrit language and all that. Lady seeker says something about Shri Mataji being from Madhra Pradesh and She is probably… Warren repeats: “She thinks You are from Madhya Pradesh, You are not from Madhra Pradesh”. Shri Mataji: No, actually that time that Madhya Pradesh was in Maharashtra. Now it’s on its own. You see, that part is Maharashtra. [Lady seeker says that she thought She was a Catholic, then she saw Her place of origin so she was trying to figure out.] Shri Mataji: That is the center of India. That hill station is the center of India. That’s where I was born. In the Tropic of Cancer. (Lady seeker: “I know India very well. That particular area is about 50 miles from Nagpur…”) Shri Mataji: That’s the place is placed on the Tropic of Cancer, Mecca is also Tropic of Cancer. [End of video recording]

Public Program Day 4. New York (USA), 27 September 1981. Yesterday as I told you that we are going to have a series, one after another, and yesterday I explained to you the introductory part of Sahaja Yoga. As I said, ‘Saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’. Is born with you. It is inborn. Is spontaneous. Is living. Whatever is born with you is living. For, your fingers, hands, everything is living. And this system is born with you. Yoga means the union with your Spirit. Simple, it’s very simple meaning. Yoga means to join. To join you with your Spirit, with the Divine. This is born with you, this right to be one with the Divine is born with you. Is your birthright. But is Sahaja Yoga. Now, to say that it is My method, or it is today’s method, would not be correct. Because this is the method of anything that is spontaneous. Like you see a seed sprouting, a flower becoming a fruit, an egg becoming a bird, or you see a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. All this is Sahaja. Is in-born within us. And this is existing within us, of which people were aware thousands and thousands of years back. Not only in India, you’ll be surprised. They were aware in England, they were definitely aware in Egypt, they were aware in Greece. Recently I went to Greece, to Athens, and I was surprised. Athens was, comes from the word Athena. Athena is their Goddess. Actually they don’t know much about Her. But Atha in Sanskrit means primordial. She is the primordial Kundalini. Athena – is the primordial Kundalini, the Mother of the pri… expressed as the primordial Kundalini, or the primordial Mother. And She has in Her hand a snake, which goes round into circles creating chakras. It’s so clearly shown, but they are not aware of it. And they even have – you’ll be amazed – the daughter of that Athena which is placed in among all of us, and they called this bone as sacrum, means a sacred bone. The word sacrum has come from Greek language - is the sacrum, means the sacred bone, that they were aware that in this bone lies something that is very sacred. And I asked them “How did you get this idea, was that Alexander the Great who brought these ideas to you?”. They said “No, this is, this is thousands of years back we had a rapport with people who were Indians, Indo-Aryan groups, and that’s how we know about it”. Is most amazing. And so many other things I discovered which was so surprising, and so enlightening, that these people were very much aware of it. Now, in England there is a place called Stonehenge. I went to see that place, Stonehenge: has tremendous vibrations. Tremendous vibrations - the whole working of it is nothing but the three and a half coils it is placed, and it has come out of the Mother Earth. But people did not understand, they started covering it up and all they made into some sort of a pattern. But actually the main thing must have just come out of the Mother Earth; and it has tremendous vibrations and people don’t understand what it was. That means people did practice this Kundalini business there. I went to Colombia, I was surprised in Colombia: they told Me that the emblem of the Navy is a… what you call that? Condor, condor. Condor is called as a Garuda in Indian language, I don’t know if you know. It’s a very big eagle-like thing, condor. And they said condor is the emblem; I said: “Why condor? I mean, what has condor to do with the navy, I can’t understand”. So they said: “It is because our old people tell us that from India – that is Bharat – from India a God called Vishnu came on a condor”. Thousands of years back these people said about Vishnu who came on a condor. I mean, I was amazed at their description and how did they know, I said: “How do you know?” They said “It is said, and that’s why we put it as condor”. We said it’s all right, we’ll have condor, because condor is very much respected. There is no condor available there, nobody sees them there, nobody knows much about it, but why they talk about condor is because their Indians say that Vishnu came on a condor to their country; now, where is Colombia, where is India. If you see the patterns of their ornaments is absolutely what we do in India, is to use the wire on top of the gold. I don’t know if you have seen their gold, gold ornaments, they had taken an exhibition round. But all of that, all Indian patterns, they said “the Indians came down to teach us”. Oh, I don’t know how Indians went in those days to teach them. It’s most surprising how they had a rapport in those days. And they lost the links. Like in, say, from Iceland I met a lady. And I just asked her, “What do you say for sugar in your language?”. And she said that it’s called as sharkara. Now, sharkara is the pure Sanskrit word for sugar. Pure Sanskrit word. Now then we discovered that the Sanskrit must have started somewhere near Norway, because it is said that it started at the place where that Rohini Nakshatra – is one of the constellations – is at right angle. Now that’s the place where it is at right angle, is Norway’s the place where it is at right angle. So maybe that the pre-Latin language got purified into Sanskrit – there was a big rapport in this time – and one became the Latin and another became the Sanskrit. And there are so many common words and common concepts that it’s remarkable how we have lost contacts and how we are separated now, even as nations. I went to Australia and I was surprised the language that they use has mostly Sanskrit words. Like the river on which we were, on the bank of which we were living, was called as Parramatta, means the Primordial Mother. I was surprised how this name was given to that river, Parramatta. Ask any Indian, he will know about it. And it’s something that we had an all-pervading knowledge of this, even in England, and must be in America also, I should find out some places where I’ll be able to locate these things. Especially the old Indians who lived in America, I saw them in Chile and Argentina, and in Colombia. And they knew so many Sanskrit words in their ritualism and all that, I was amazed how this Sanskrit was with them, from where did it spread and how did they have this knowledge of Kundalini. But this knowledge was a secret knowledge for many years. Thousands of years. There, there was a poet called as Markandeya, who lived I think they say about ten thousand years back. He has described about the Kundalini. But he has just described that She resides here, and She is awakened, and She passes those chakras and all that; but not in details and not very clearly: in a very mystic language. Now what happened in the beginning when people started their civilization, say in India, they first were faced with the nature. Though in India nature is very kind, you can live under a tree or you can live under any shade that you can get, even in a cave; and you can be quite happy, and you can eat some fruits, and the climate is so good, it’s not so cold and so hot and all that; so one can live very happily. And they had solved their problems like this, some people; and they were living in the forest and they started thinking about their own existence, why are we here. And when they started thinking about it, they meditated. And in meditation they discovered lots of things. And the thing they discovered that we have within ourselves a residual power called as Kundalini. And this residual power is the power which is not manifested, which is sleeping, which has created the whole of the universe that we are and yet not manifested, because it has to manifest giving you your Self-realization. This is the power of desire within us, the desire to become one with the Spirit. And that’s how they believed that there is this power that existed in all human beings and that it should be awakened. Today I’m trying to give you the little history of this, because one by one we’ll be going to the whole thing. Now there is another group of people, who just felt that “first of all we must try to master the elements”. And from these seers, they got information “to do that, you must use the fire element, worship the fire element”. And they started worshipping the fire element and started doing the homa and havanas, and the Vedas were written, for exciting the fire element and other elements, all the five elements. So all the Vedas were written how to master these elements by pleasing the Deities that rule us. Even in Greece they believed that everything has a deity, like they called the Varun, we call it as the Neptune, the one who is the Lord of the sea. He is called as Poseidon, they call it Poseidon to that special Deity like that. And they believed in it that that is so. The trouble is that that time they did not start rationalizing or sort of deducting it on this: they believed in their seers, and whatever their seers told them they believed it and they started working on that; and they wanted to excite these elements. The result of that is today’s modern science. The modern science that we have got is because we have been able to master these five elements. Now these five elements also that we have mastered, in our own freedom we might have created lots of problems for ourselves, for example we have created an atom bomb. One can say that by mastering this, what we have done is to create an atom bomb, and a neutron bomb and this bomb and that bomb. But also for your good: because once you have created it, it’s sitting like a devil there. Now you are all frightened of it, and “no more wars”. Because if any more wars start, you are all going to be finished like that. So even this devil that you have created is frightening you from there, and grinning at you: “Alright, you have created me, now you’d better behave yourself”. All such enterprises move in one linear direction, and they recoil back. Anything you try. Now you try to create plastic, now plastic is sitting on your head. You don’t know what to do with your plastics. You do anything like that, it comes back on you and it challenges you. For example now we can say that when we have got everything around, I mean, in New York, you see, you have got cars, you’ve got… you can move about, you have got food, you have got affluence, as it is you are affluent people. But people are running away from affluence, they have taken to counter-cultures, they’re fed up with this, all these plastics, nylons, finished with it, and now they are seeking something else, they are taking drugs and running away, they don’t want to carry the junks of their parents. They’re different type of people that are born. The same thing for which they were striving so much has now bothered them so much that they are trying to run away from it. So the reaction is built in on all these endeavours that we do with the elements, because elements cannot give you joy. No matter can give us joy. We think it can. For example if you want to build a house, “Alright, I must build a house, I must have mortgage, I must have this, that”, and you build the house. Still you are sitting miserable as if there is mourning on. What’s the matter? “Now I must have a car!”. Alright, you have a car. You have a car, you have a house and everything, and then you want to wear torn clothes. Why? “Because now I belong to counter-culture”. Why did you strive so much to have a house and a car and all that pomp and show and style, and now you are going for a counter-culture? Because you are not satisfied with it. And basically economics says this very clearly, that one want is satiable, and in general – in general – it is not satiable. The wants are not satiable in general: you want to have one thing, then you want to have another thing, want to have another thing. And then you get so fed up with these monkey tricks that you want to give up. You don’t want to be monkeys anymore, had enough of it. Like in England when I went, most of the people who came to Me, I asked them: “What are you doing?”. “Mother, I’m successfully unemployed” (Shri Mataji laughs, laughter) There’s a big cry against unemployment, Mrs. Thatcher is so much worried, that you see people are unemployed, but they are successfully unemployed! (Laughter) They want to be unemployed! That perhaps she does not know, that they don’t want to work, had enough of it, this madness, we don’t want anything. So they started running across, finding out, and the time has come now for many seekers to be born, now seekers who are beyond the seeking of material life, they are fed up, they want to seek something. At this juncture, the market started sending the news to people that “ah, this is the place where you can make money”. So the thing got flooded, specially your America, with all the great thugs of the world to come down here and settle down nicely exploiting you. That’s what it is. So the history of these people works out this way that now they are here, and we do not know what to do with ourselves and with them. But one should know that the nature has made us a human being. He has created us from amoeba to this stage for some purpose. And if God has created this creation with such care and asked with [? Unclear] some creation, there must be some purpose. He’s not going to allow His creation to be destroyed. These days in France if you find anybody sitting on the street they are discussing that there is going to be a catastrophe; in ’82, they say. And then if everything is going to be destroyed, so why worry? Better drink before that as much as you can. So they’re sitting on the streets with the bottles in their hands till they get absolutely drunk; they said “After all we are going to be destroyed in any case, so waiting for that”. And they are discus…- (She corrects Herself) - they are just worried about that. So they told Me that in New York they are discussing only two things. I said: “What, which two things are discussing?” “One is the dollar” - in American way “dallar” you can say – “and the another is the miseries and the sufferings”. I said: “Really?”. That’s the only things are these, talking about, is one is the dollar and the subsequent suffering one has to go through (laughs). It’s most surprising how we reach a point of the proper conclusion of everything but still we do not hit the right point. We reach a right conclusion, understanding that matter is not the thing that is going to give us joy, we have to go beyond, there’s something beyond we have to achieve. Whether you are a communist, or whether you are a capitalist, or anything, everybody knows that this is not satisfying. I’ve been to Russia Myself and the Russians I met they said: “But there must be something beyond this, isn’t it, is not everything”. Everyone of them said so, everyone of them. So, same here; and that, when it comes to that point, then only a mass evolution has to take place. And many people have to get realization, no doubt about it. So on the right hand side they tried to discover all the elements and all that, and they put that. First the desire came into people that “we should do something about it”. And when they found that this one (right side, ndt) is, feels little funny to work it out all the time running after matter, so they took to another style of emotional, that is devotion. Is to surrender yourself. Surrender anything to anything, like anybody comes in and says: “Now this is what I am,” alright: surrender. Surrender your brain, surrender your understanding, surrender your logic, surrender your wisdom, everything to that and just you’ll be alright. And that’s how then we found that all these incarnations who came on this Earth – a great incarnation like Christ, great incarnation like Mohammed, great incarnation like so many other people who came in India like Rama, Krishna, and all these, they made a nice pickle out of them. They started big, huge organizations, then big huge places, and… Though they were every time challenged, like I would say that papal authority was challenged by Martin Luther, who was a realized soul, all the people who followed Martin Luther went into another extreme of licentiousness and permissiveness. So from this end to that end, and from that end to this end. When they came on this side they became very, very, sort of ascetic, and they said “Oh, we all should become nuns and we should lead a life of absolute celibacy”. I don’t know where Christ has said that, I don’t think He could have said it that you become nuns, it is nonsensical. It is unnatural to be nuns and all that. And I mean, they look so horrid and so hot-tempered, I mean, they have no sweetness about them I mean, I don’t know if you have been to convents, look at the children: they just shake when they see a nun, supposed to be a sister! (Laughter) And they just shake, and they just don’t want to look at them! And these are the people in charge of God? And “going to marry Christ”, of all the things that’s the worst thing that you can do, is to say that you are going to marry Christ. It’s something I don’t know from where it came into their heads that they are marrying Christ. What right have they got to marry Christ? How are they connected with Him; I just don’t understand. But all sorts of nonsense, this is the greatest nonsense that they established on this Earth. And they started huge big nunneries and huge big what you call these churches and all that. The worst thing they did was to in the church to put all the dead bodies. I don’t know from where did they get this idea also, I just don’t understand. In the Bible, where is it written that you build all your churches on the dead people, walk on top of them, bring all your children to those cemeteries? But all sorts of nonsense they did, in Christianity, worse and worst in Hunduism. I need not tell you about Hindus, the amount of nonsense they have done. The person like Adi Shankaracharya who came in the sixth century, in the sixth century, he’s talked of nothing else but what I’m telling you. If you read his book – any book, I don’t know if they are translated; if they are translated – nothing else but what I’m telling you, that you have to become the Spirit; that you have to get realization. Once you get realization you get over all your jati. Jati means your aptitudes. All this caste system were based on the aptitudes of a person, not on the pre-natal system that you are born to a Brahmin you are a Brahmin; you could be a shudra born to a Brahmin. Is an aptitude, a one who is a seeker is a Brahmin. The one who know… wants to know about the Brahma, wants to know about God is a Brahmin. Is an aptitude. It’s really an aptitude, because if it was not so… Gita was written by Vyasa. Vyasa he was a great sage and he wrote Gita. And do you know his… I must tell you about his birth. He was born to a lady, illegitimate child, who was just a fisherwoman. And who married another man later on. This was Vyasa who wrote Gita, and how can you say – in Gita it is written, can you imagine, that your caste, your aptitude, is determined by your birth? Can you believe it? The one who is a illegitimate child, will he write like this? Luckily he was illegitimate, so today we can say that it is nonsense you have put in there. And this is all such things have been done to all the scriptures. All the scriptures they have tried to spoil, for their own purpose. Now, like Mohammed: Mohammed, you can’t imagine how He lived. His life was misery. And people tortured Him, these mad people there, I don’t know why did He take His birth there. It would have been better if He had taken birth in India, people would have respected Him. He did later on. But the way they tortured Him these nomadic people, they had no idea of God, nothing, He wanted them to know about God. He went there, they poisoned Him, they tortured Him, they never listened to Him. And ultimately when He died, then they said that He said that “I’m the last Prophet”. He might have said it also, might have said, doesn’t matter; but He saw the way they were behaving and He again He incarnated. He has to, any sensible man would be… You see, a Mother may say “This is the last time I’m coming to you”. Last time I did say to Americans, “This is the last time I’m coming to you”. But I had to come back, what to do? They had no sense at that time, I said, “Alright, this is the last time, I’m not coming to you”. But after nine years I just couldn’t help it, I said: “Alright, I must go back”. Now you would say, “You are the other Mother, this cannot be the same She had said that She will not come back”. Really, I did say. But that doesn’t mean that I will not come back. In compassion and love I have to come back. Because all My children are here, lost, what am I to do? I have to come back. And that’s exactly what happened about Mohammed. And now Mr. Khomeini thinks that he is the topmost man in the kingdom of God, I mean, he’s just next to God. God knows why he doesn’t say he’s also Bhagavan. He could say that he is Bhagavan. I mean, the way he is behaving you can see now clearly how fanaticism can be dangerous. And this is what has happened in the human awareness also that people accepted whatever was told to them. All these great incarnations are fruits or the flowers of the same living tree. But you take out the flowers from the tree and say “This is mine, this is mine”, fight [a warry (maybe from “war”?)], they become ugly and die and then you say that: “Oh, this is the religion I follow, I believe”. Now, what is that “I” in you that believes? We should challenge ourselves. Now, which one is this I, Mister I, within me that believes? Everybody says, even politicians, “I believe”. Now, who is this I? This I is Mister E-G-O, is not your Spirit. You are not your Spirit. When you say “I believe” it is your Spirit, then it is an absolute, is the truth. All those who are realized souls, believe in one thing. Because they become, all of them, collectively conscious and they feel one truth. For example if you have ten children, and they are realized souls, you ask them to put hands towards one person, and say: “Now, where is wrong with this person?”. They will all show the same finger [She raises finger of left Vishuddhi]. Same finger they will show, “It is here”. Even the child, may be a six-month old, he’ll put his finger in the mouth. So Mr. Freud said this is sex, now what to do with this half-baked fellow who doesn’t know anything, this Freud? Who has taken you over completely, I don’t know how you got into his mess! In all kinds of messes you have been into, and all sorts of cobwebs there have been. So now the best is first get over your ego, that’s the main part one has to play, and you have to become your Spirit. Now, to become your Spirit, you are beautifully made. There is the Kundalini, there is the Spirit in your heart. Though the seat of the Spirit is here (touches top of the head, ndt), but it resides in human beings in the heart. Now, when the Kundalini rises, She passes through these centers, and opens the Sahasrara. When this was going on, and the other side – the one where we were trying to sort of master the elements and on the other side we were having these devotions and surrenderings and all that – the third side, which is very important, which is the evolutionary side, was also worked out. The third side is the evolutionary side. And the third side was working out where people were working on this Kundalini, and were using it for giving realization to others. Now as it is you know, people are doing Hatha yoga very much in America. That’s also another jumble. Because Hatha yoga was practiced thousands of years back in India by Patanjali. Patanjali wrote about Hatha yoga. When we had four type of ashramas, or four periods of our lives, in which the beginning of our lives was a brahmacharya, when you had to lead a celibate life, live with a realized guru, there was a university which you had to join, and this university was called as gotra. Now for example my gotra is Shandiliya. Now this was thousands of years back, My fore-fore-fore-forefathers must have studied with Shandilya Muni and even today I am Go…Shandiliya. Now, I cannot marry anybody in Shandiliya Gotra. Even today. So can you imagine what was the celibacy. You were not only brothers and sisters, but the descendants of that even today cannot marry. This was the condition of the university, that in a university, when the boys went after five years of age, and the girls, they lived there till the age of twenty-five years, and they led a life of brothers and sisters like a family, in complete celibacy. At that time Patanjali shastra was useful (not completely audible – ed). Are these the circumstances today? It is meant for people who are not at all exposed to sex, to begin with. Secondly, it has got ashtangas, there are eight parts. Not one, eight parts. Out of that is Yama Niyama, is one of them. Out of Yama, one third is the exercise, one third. So I don’t know, you calculate how much part it is. And that -enth part of this thing has become now Hatha yoga. Now you start doing that exercise because for you Marylin Monroe is your heroine, or maybe Mrs Kennedy, I don’t know who she is, some sort of a person; so you must develop your legs like this, and hands like this, and all the men are trying to reduce their waistline and doing all kinds of nonsensical things. I mean, this physical body should not be that important; on the contrary one should try to keep it clean. Cleansing of the body is much more important; cleansing in the way that you don’t do anything wrong, with your hands. You mother people and here you are trying to reduce: what’s the use? There is no hole to enter into the God’s kingdom where you have to have certain amount of these caricatures which can pass through. What you have to have is a holy hand, holy feet, holy eyes, holy appearances. It has to be holiness. Nobody pays attention to holiness. They all pay attention to this physical appearances. By this they have lost a lot. And that’s how what happens you move too much on the right hand side, looking after your physical being which is only up to this part (right side, ndt), and what you neglect is your Spirit. So, all such people get heart attacks. Before getting heart attacks, they get emotionally drained out. They mostly have divorces, they see somebody, you see, they are like, we can say like fireballs; you don’t touch them. Don’t go near them, even if you talk to them they may come on you like dogs, and just start howling at you, you’ll not know how to do it, they’ll bark at you, you don’t know why, why they did it; just because they are like that. They are so hot-tempered, so ego-oriented, and they think no end of themselves. And such people exist here (right side, ndt), and so-called Hatha Yoga. There is no Yoga at all, on the contrary you run away from your Spirit. You run away from your Spirit, only you develop your ego there. Now, here as you see clearly, there are two lines shown. One is the left side, and the right side. Now this left line climbs and creates that blue thing there. Now what is this left line is the power of desire within us. This power of desire manifests outside the left sympathetic nervous system on the gross, but we are showing here the subtler side of our gross. Now on the right side you have this another power which shows yellow of the bile color, is the power of action. So we act by our physical being and our mental being. So is the physical and the mental, but you see English language is little funny, because when you say a mental patient, it means that something wrong on the left side. So what I mean is that the people who work out with planning, and with rationality, and all that, they use this part. And the people who use this part are the people who are doing physical labor, or physical attention, or Hatha yogi, and all those people who have thinned down, be on redumption [may that mean “on reduction?”] – all such people are on this side. On the other side, on the left hand side, is the power of desire. Here the people who are emotional, like who go on singing praises of Shri Rama and Shri Krishna on the street, up our Oxford Street, you see, with a thing hanging down, and singing songs and shouting and spoiling their Vishuddhi chakra and getting cancer in the throat. They are on the left hand side. Or the women who are extremely romantic, are emotional and always crying and weeping and troubling others, and this type of people are on the left hand side. Now this side, the left hand side – this side- is the subconscious, and beyond this is the collective subconscious. And this side, is the right hand side, is our supra-conscious and beyond it is collective supraconscious. Now this is in Sanskrit is called Adi Dhaiwik (right side, ndt) and this is called as Adi Bhautik (left side, ndt). All these things are there but nobody has told you. Now, when you go to these fake gurus, what they do is to push you on the left or to the right. Simple thing they do is to push you to the left or to the right. They can only do that, they cannot bring you up there, because here is the super-consciousness. They cannot awaken your Kundalini, they cannot raise it, so they either push you on to the left or to the right. Now beyond a certain area, the whole of the collective consciousness …[Shri Mataji corrects Herself]… collective subconsciousness – the whole, means from the creation. Now I was surprised that doctors have found out – thank God – that the cancer is caused by some proteins, called 58 Protein, 58 and 56 - they have even photographed it - who come into the system and trigger the cancer and they come from the area which was built within us since the time of our creation, but they don’t know what it is. I mean, I have told about this ten years back that the cancer is caused by the left side movement. Now if these gurus put you onto the left hand side, what happens? You get possessed by those proteins, we call them bhoots, are the dead spirits. You just get possessed, that’s all. You just get possessed, you see, that’s why you see if a false guru is there, there are fifty thousand people just mad, going like this, foolish, stupid people, don’t understand anything what they are doing, or what they have to achieve, if they know, or there is nothing like finding out anything, no discrimination, like silly useless lunatics they move. And they think: “Oh, we’ve got the knowledge”. Now, what knowledge have you got? If you ask them, “What’s the knowledge? Can you say what’s wrong with this gentleman? Can you say what’s wrong with you? You know where are you, where is your Kundalini?”. “Oh, we don’t believe in anything, we just believe in our guru”. Now what do you believe in guru, he’s going to go to hell direct, and you are going to follow him, that’s what it is. They are becoming mad, absolutely mad people, recluses. There is one group of people who paid three thousand pound for flying in the air. Alright? Three thousand pound, to fly in the air, I mean, I, yesterday I said that put your guru on the Leaning Tower of Pisa, it was built for that only; and throw him down, and see if he can fly (Shri Mataji laughs). If he can fly then alright, you can pay three thousand pounds to him. And then ultimately they end up as recluses. So much so that if you show them a garlic, a little bagged up garlic, they are frightened. Can you imagine, you get frightened of the vegetables? (Laughter) I mean, not even of animals but of vegetables, and you think you are achieving a flying trick! Such stupidity exists, that they go on falling into it and falling into it. And you are saints! You are chosen ones! You are great people, you have to achieve your Self. You don’t understand, you have no self-esteem, that you give away to these horrible people who are nothing but devils! You can see it so clearly writ large on their faces. They are not going to talk against them. Many people tell Me, “Mother, why do You criticize them?”. I said: “I will hundred times criticize them”. Let them come and face Me. None of them have put, filed a suit against Me, I’ve talked about them with names, nobody has filed a suit against Me, they dare not. Because I’ll expose them very nicely. And these people have not only ruined your Kundalini, all chances of your realization, but they have made you mad! So many people are epileptic. So many people are going to lunatic asylum. They are getting mad. And these people are supposed to be in charge of your spiritual evolution?! One must understand that when you become something higher, you’ll have a higher level-headedness. You have to be master of yourself. Like if somebody starts jumping on the seat that means he’s not in his own control, I mean, somebody is making him jump. You should be able to guide the whole thing, like I would say in a car we have a brake and an accelerator. Two powers. So this is the brake and this is the accelerator, you are trying to use it, you are balancing it. You are balancing it, you are trying to learn. Now you go to the left and right and you do all kinds of mistakes, alright. Then you learn it, you become a driver. Once you become the driver, the master who is sitting behind you, gives you the seat of a master. You become the master. And that’s what one should do, is to become the master. But supposing you are sitting in the car and your car takes you wherever it feels like; then are you the master of the car, or the car is master of you? These people are so authoritarian, they put authority on you, they make you feel that you are nothing. Now you ask them: “What is your authority?”. But how can you ask, because they have taken away your authority. In Sahaja Yoga you become your authority. You become your absolute, you become your Spirit. And then you judge others. And this is what it is, that you have to become masters yourself. I mean, these people are not equal to the dust of your feet. This is what it is. In the eyes of God. They take money from you and live on that – parasites, of the worst type, are these Lamas! They were parasites of these Tibetan people, poor people; they used to get money from them and live in Lhasa very nicely. Very “great” people, and having now in what, Gobi desert that Skambhala or Shambhala nonsense of that; let them all go to Gobi! (Laughter) Let them live there, that is the place meant for such people. They have taken money from the poor people, exploited them, and here like parasites living on them. What work are they doing? They are doing no work, and they are the people who can show you how parasites are. Now supposing if I tell you that you come and live with Me free of cost: will you accept? Anyone of you? They take money from you – there’s another fellow who has got fifty-eight Rolls Royces, one who has fifty-nine Rolls Royces. And you don’t understand! That you cannot give metal and get the Spirit. You have to achieve your own Spirit. It has to happen to you. You have to become the Spirit. And the third force [central channel, ndt] is your evolutionary force. Is the evolutionary force within us which is the sustaining force, by which we are sustained. Like carbon has four valences. Carbon is here [She shows Mooladhara on chart, ndt]. At this time the carbon was created with four valences, you see here. It’s a tetravalent. But in the gross it is carbon, but in the subtle it is innocence. In the subtle it is the innocence. Matter is innocent; if you hit it, it will hit you back. If you don’t hit it, it will not hit you. So the innocence, the embodiment of innocence, is here. And this chakra is the embodiment of innocence, and the Deity of that is called as Shri Ganesh, who incarnated later on as the Embodiment of innocence, was Christ our Lord, at that center where is the Agnya chakra. Now imagine, the One who is the embodiment of innocence, these horrible nuns are trying to marry Him! Will an innocent man marry? He doesn’t know marriage, He doesn’t know sex, He’s beyond these things! He’s not a human being, He is Omkara! He’s Pranava! He is the Divine power. How can He marry these women? These women, with their baser things, they want to sublimate it and say that “We want to marry Him”. If they want to marry they should marry human beings, they cannot marry God! And that is what He is, Christ. And the Christ’s Advent is very important in the history of our evolution. If I talk about Christ to Indians they say “You are trying to make us Christians”. If I talk to you about Shri Krishna you will say I am trying to make you Hindus. It’s a very funny world, I must say. Christ has said: “Those who are not against Me, are with Me”. Who are those? You didn’t allow Him to speak! Hardly you allowed Him to live for three years and you crucified Him! He rode the donkeys and I think all these donkeys have become now Christians. That was the symbol - that they crucified Him; and today again they are crucifying Him by not accepting that they must have their Spirit. They are to be born again. Now, they are to be born again means what? You certify “I am born again”? I mean, how can you certify yourself “I’m born again”? Is artificial! Like this, we have made a mess of all of these great Incarnations. Still Christ has said: “Everything can be forgiven”. And it’s true. Everything can be forgiven, all your sins can be forgiven, everything can be forgiven, but become the Spirit. If you don’t become the Spirit, then the dead will go to dead. Spirit is the only living thing, and Spirit is the only thing you should achieve, and that you should become, the rest of it is all mithya, is all falsehood, is all fake. Spirit emits the Brahma, the power, the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost as they call it. That is the Spirit within you that emits, and that’s what you should achieve - which organizes, which thinks, which acts, which works out everything that has to be done, and also with love. The whole thing put together is nothing but love. But love that only emits, which doesn’t receive anything. It doesn’t receive anything, I mean, if you want to hit Me also I’ll not receive it. I will not receive anything whatsoever you want to do to Me, that’s what it is. And that should happen to all of you, that you should not become anymore recipient of all these nonsensical things, but just manifesting your love to others. That should happen to every seeker. And once that happens, you reach that state which I described yesterday as Nirvikalpa Samadhi. That Samadhi must come, that awareness, enlightened awareness you must have, you must achieve that. In Sahaja Yoga one has to understand that it is your own progress which is important, and the progress of the whole that is important. It’s not only your own progress, but the whole, the collectivity – specially, as he has said, that at Vishuddhi chakra, here is the point of our evolution where we raised our head. Yesterday I told you that when we raised our head from animal kingdom we took up the responsibility upon ourselves, and that chakra is nothing else but your great country, America. You have been talking big, no doubt, you think you are going to solve the problem of the whole world, everywhere you go and meddle with. Like Vietnam, here, there, and that. And then you receive the bad things, you’ve done a mistake. If you had achieved your Spirit, then you don’t have to go anywhere, sitting here you can solve the problems. The All-pervading power with which you are connected – you’ll be amazed – works out instantaneously. Sitting down here you can work it out. Only one thing it cannot do: there it is helpless. And that’s a point I come before you with a folded hands. That is you have got your freedom to choose. If you are egoistical, if you are superego means you are possessed, you will not choose it. So with your own freedom, with your free will, you have to choose it. And if you have chosen it with your free will, it can happen to you, otherwise it will not. Because your freedom has to be respected, you have to enter into the kingdom of God, you have to become absolutely free citizens of that great freedom [May Shri Mataji mean “kingdom”?]. And if your freedom is not respected you cannot enter in. So first thing your freedom has to be respected, if you don’t want it you cannot get it. I cannot force on you, nobody can force it on you, nobody would like to do it. It is you you have to ask for it. That’s why He said: “Seek”. Christ has said: “You have to seek”. If you seek, if you ask for it, you’ll get it. You have to knock. If you do not knock, the door won’t open. Door should open for us, everybody thinks “While sitting down here we should get it” – no. You have to ask for it. Then only you can enter into the kingdom of God. Imagine a person who is a slave: will you make him the king? We have to free from our ego and from our superego, that’s why Christ is sitting down there at that point, where you enter into the kingdom of God which is the limbic area, on top there. When you awaken Christ, He sucks your ego and superego, all your karmas and your ego, all your conditionings and all your ambitions. Everything sucked in – by sucking that only you get this portion opened out which is called as the fontanel bone area and you get the cool breeze coming out, and many people have felt it yesterday. This is what it was said, that Christ should be awakened within us, He should be born within us, by which He sucks in. I wish Christians had carried this message properly to Indians. They did not. They gave such a funny idea about Christ that they put a loaf, imagine, loaf in the well and said, “This is the meat of a cow”. And they can’t eat the cow’s meat, so you all have become Christians. Like that villages after villages became Christians, imagine what a message of Christ they gave to people. If they had told about this, then people would have known that the One who is promised as Mahavishnu, who is going to come on this earth to take away all our karmas and all that, people would have taken to another course. But it never came. So still they are, poor things, are plodding with their karmas, and here the gurus are coming and telling you that you have to get over your karmas. Imagine. Now what are these gurus paid for, then? If you have to do… Anything happens, they say: “It is your karmas!”. Then why are you paid for? You are taking all our money, everything from here, and having big huge places for yourself, and where we are suffering here under pressures and all kinds of things. And you are telling us that this is because of “your karmas”. If it is so, what is the need you to be there? So this is what one has to understand, the general history of these three things I told you: one is the power of desire, we call it as the Mahakali power. Maha-Kali power. This is the another power, is the power of action which is Kriya shakti – actually this is called as Iccha Shakti and Kriya Shakti – but in our language, in Sahaja Yoga language, called as Mahakali – this is called as Mahasaraswati. And this as Mahalakshmi. Mahalakshmi is the power of evolution. And Christ’s Mother was the Incarnation of Mahalakshmi power. And how, and why, that I will tell you later on, when I’ll come to this by chakras and chakras. I hope they have been able to follow My lecture and I’ve been able to explain, but if there is no explanation, and if you want to know about something, you can ask Me. May God bless you. [A lady asks an inaudible question and mentions about Freud] Shri Mataji: I know. Where’s this Freud, you see, your great Mr. Freud. Must be another devil, I must say, to put this idea. He didn’t know anything, he had no business to talk about it, he was most unauthorized person. What did he know? He didn’t know anything, you read his book and… Find Jung thousand time better. Jung something knew about it, you see, he got his realization also. This fellow, Freud, he died of cancer. When you see his dying of cancer at least don’t follow him. But you all have become Freudians. In London there are only 12 Jungians. You see? And all of them are Jews, so they don’t believe in Christ. So how can you talk to them? Jews don’t believe in Christ. Why? And that’s why they wanted to suffer. Alright, so you had suffering, had it. Now will you believe in Christ or not? They want to suffer, alright, have it. They asked for it. For eleven years this thing was growing up, this racialism in Germany, if you read the history of Germany, it’s most surprising. And these Germans used to kill the Jews, do this – “Oh, we have to suffer”, among themselves they used to say. If somebody’s killed they would never protest, for eleven years. Then, then Hitler came into power, afterwards. And then he started doing all these things, for eleven years they were trying to suffer. Now they had a real, right, “royal” suffering. That’s what they had. Still if you meet a Jew he’ll still say “I don’t believe in Christ”. Who are you not to believe in him? Warren: Many children suck their thumbs now… Shri Mataji: Ah, that, this thumb (left thumb, ndt) they suck because you are catching on the left Swadishthana. If you go to some horrible guru, they will start – poor things – sucking this thumb. Means left Swadishthana. You are going to some unauthorized person, the child may be a realized soul, and he’ll start sucking his thumb. We give so much trouble to our children, we have no idea. And now so many realized souls are going to be born. There are, so many, and to our sahaja yogis… now Gavin has a daughter, her name is… [yogi: “Olympia”]… Olympia, because I went to Olympics before that, you see. And so when I came back I gave her the name Olympia. And if you see her, she’s a tremendous child. Tremendous child. If she was here, she would not allow Me to speak, I have to take her in My lap and speak to you. Have you got a photograph? The green? Eh? Alright. My purse is not there… So many children are born. There’s another one – when I went to Greece there was another child was born, Athena. And so many; there’s another one who is called as Dattatreya. We have so many now in England, born realized. And they know. They get after people, you see, they work. We have lots of people, about ten or twelve children sitting down and lots of people, and they help Me, they are around Me and they tell Me: “Here it is”. They go on hitting, and they start improving the chakras and giving bandhans, and all that, and they work it out so well, they know so much. My own grandchildren, four of them, are first class realized souls. First class. Absolutely top class people. Some very great souls. Very great souls, and they are so simple, and they understand things so well. Like the younger one, she’s the youngest was about three years of age, and she was going to some nursery school, and she brought a paper – imagine, in a little children’s school, they sent a paper – saying that there’s a course on for youth, for your transformation. So she brought the thing and she said: “What is written in this thing?”. I said: “You can change if you join this course for hundred rupees, you have to go to a hotel”. So this little one says: “How can that be possible? By paying hundred rupees you cannot just do it! The Kundalini must be awakened, otherwise how can you? Kundalini doesn’t understand money!”. The little one says, three-year-old. The elder one says: “But by doing a course, if you can do it, my father has done fourteen courses, his Kundalini’s not yet risen”. Just see, how simple it is for them to see. But you cannot see. Is your ego, you have over-developed ego, you think you can study. You mean to say people who are not educated are not going to get realization? Is a living, living thing. Do we study for our breathing? Imagine we have to go to library to understand how to breathe: what will happen to all of us? We’ll never reach the library! (Laughter, She laughs) Yes? Seeker: Mother, I think, you know, yesterday something very – I can’t understand, but was very nice, very good happened, and I would like to do it - what to do? I didn’t come today to the workshop, but how can I find out? Shri Mataji (Laughs) I mean, if you don’t come to the workshop [Seeker: I will come], what should I do? Seeker: Can I try again? I’m coming here… Shri Mataji (laughs): Now, I would say. Put your willpower. What I’m saying, put your willpower. I’m here only for five days, not more than that; now only four days. Now, make best use of Me, what else can I say? Alright? I am staying in that hotel because of you, alright, that you could come and see Me in the morning time. Those who came, ask Herman (?): how much he was helped, how much he learnt. How will you learn unless and until you come to Me? Alright? You must come; put little willpower. You see, supposing I had taken hundred dollars from you: you would have come. Definitely, I know American temperament. (Laughter). You see, I asked them why they do it. You see they said it’s like this: you buy a ticket for a picture, or say for a play, alright? And the play is horrible, but you say ‘we paid, so let us sit down’. You paid for it, you see, everything is paid for, is paid for: that’s why. But you cannot pay Me and you cannot buy Me. But you must tell yourself, that “If I am a realized soul, I should know all about it”. Alright? Put in your willpower. Put in your willpower. Because I cannot mesmerize you and I cannot force you. Here all those who came to Me this morning were very much helped, and you are much better now. Ask anyone of them, how much happier they are. Some people who had a very bad back and all that, I cured them, and somebody had a pain here (touches neck, ndt), I cured him; everybody was helped, no doubt. Everybody was helped very much. Those who didn’t come would be lagging in their progress, definitely, no doubt about it. A seeker says something. Warren: Yes. We’ll make an announcement at the end of the program precisely where you should come. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes of course. I’m sticking onto that place. I’m not getting out at all. Actually they lock Me in. (Laughter) And they keep somebody to watch Me, I may disappear you see, in the thin air, so I’m just there for you, waiting for you. I’ve come all the way for you only, isn’t it. What have I got to do in this New York the great? Yes? Seeker asks question. Warren repeats it to Shri Mataji: “He’s saying that “I said I had problems with my chakras, other people who have trouble with can you help them?” Shri Mataji: Of course; you can also help yourself, and I can help you also, and you will know everything about it; everything you will know. You see, if I know what’s there? If I have all the powers what’s there? Why should you believe in Me? You should have your own powers. This is simple. Alright? Any other questions? They are very positive people, I must say. [Seeker asks a question about people doing pranayama to raise Kundalini] Shri Mataji: You cannot do it by effort. It’s not, is not correct. On the contrary pranayama gives you sinus problems. And so many other problems. Then this Hamsa Chakra gets caught with the pranayama. This is a very bad chakra which once caught it’s very difficult to correct. Seeker asks question about meditation; “How about meditation? Do you feel it’s good to meditate?” Shri Mataji: You cannot “do” meditation, you have to be in meditation. Once it happens, you are there, you are in thoughtless awareness, you are watching everything like a witness. The whole thing looks like a drama. Seeker continues: It seems to come and go, sometimes meditation comes and then it’s not there, and it varies (unclear)… Shri Mataji: It cannot be; if you know everything about Kundalini and if your Kundalini is really done, then it does its workout – in the beginning you have to be carefully for a month only. For a month you have to give little intensive care; and then it’s all right. It’s like a patient coming out of intensive care. But you have to treat yourself first of all like a patient. Look after yourself, put full effort to understand everything, cure yourself, and you are all right. But put some willpower, you see. You should have come. I asked them, what about the boy who wanted to get married? I could have got you a bride today (Laughs loud, general laughter) Alright, but now you might miss the point! (Laughs loud). Yes My child? Lady seeker says that she felt very angry about the comment about the Jews. Shri Mataji: About whom? Lady seeker: About the Jews. Shri Mataji: You should not be angry with Me. Lady Seeker: No, I want to tell you what happened. I am not angry with You… Shri Mataji: Alright. Then lady seeker tells about her ancestors who were poor, had no money and didn’t know what was going on…) Shri Mataji: I know, I know. (Seeker continues with her story – “Anyway and I believed in the Christ’s Spirit, that I must believe in Jesus Christ”) How can you treat that? Alright we’ll see, alright we’ll see. (Seeker continues with her story - inaudible) No, not, it’s not… it’s true, I was also a Jew once upon a time, for your information. (Seeker: what?) I was also a Jew in one of My lives. Alright? And I was sympathies with them, but they are foolish to say that they should suffer: why should they suffer? (Lady seeker: Suffering is ridiculous) Alright, alright. Then they say that “We don’t believe in Christ”: what right have they got to say so? They have to believe, because Christ was a Jew Himself. You know, I was born in an Indian Christian family in India. No Indian Christian believes in Me. You’ll be surprised, not a single Indian Christian. All are Muslims, Hindus, Jains, Parsis, everybody. You will believe Me or Americans, but Indian Christians don’t believe in Me. That’s what. (Seeker: Indian Christians don’t believe in You) No. (Warren: That’s what She’s talking about) Shri Mataji: I couldn’t believe it! They are the only people who don’t believe in Me. Male seeker: They are too close. Too close. Shri Mataji: Eh? Seeker: Too close. Shri Mataji: It’s jealousy, I think. I don’t know what it is. It’s funny. But if I was, say, if I was the President of India, they would have been all very close to Me. My nearest relations would have been there. You see, because then they think materially they can have advantage. But believing in Me for them is very difficult. Except for My own brothers and sisters, because they know Me from My childhood. And My father himself and My mother. I don’t think any Indian Christian really believes in Me. There are people who have cast My horoscope and he said: “You are tremendous I mean, just can’t believe it that this is Your horoscope” and all that, but he cannot believe in Me. See, there’s still a barrier, because he’s an Indian Christian. Perhaps they think to be Indian Christian is very low, and how can I be something so great? Maybe that, or they don’t believe in themselves, I don’t know what it is. But it’s a fact. And that’s why Jews did not believe in Christ. And even today they are trying very funny things, like there was a questionnaire, I will tell you, in London; the Jews are trying you see – they have money – so they told the Times people to put some sort of an article against Christ. And what they said was that in the Bible it was said that a girl is going to give birth to Christ according to the Hebrew language, but not a Virgin. Now, in those days, girl meant a virgin; even today in India “kanya” means a virgin and also means a girl. Means they didn’t have eighty-year-old girls as we have in America (laughter) in those days, you see. And it means that. And now another logical thing one can see that if the girl was not going to give birth, then is a man going to give birth? Why did they say “girl”, if it was just a woman, why did they say particularly girl? Such absurd things about this shroud of Christ also, they created another controversy for nothing at all, that the shroud of Christ. It is His shroud, no doubt, but when He died, He was tied with it, means from both the sides it was pulled out, so very longish face and all that, He was not that longish type of a person. And because you see after all the color is smearing, is part of the body, it cannot be three-dimensional, so it looks very thin and sickly and pulled out stuff. It is His shroud, no doubt, but this was the shroud that was, that covered Him when He was just taken out and was covered and put in the grave. Now they are saying this was the shroud they used - is a proof that He was taken and smuggled into another country and He never resurrected. This is the speciality of these Jews they are establishing now. I said, “Now, anybody who has common sense if they have to smuggle a body from one country to another, will they cover it with a shroud which has got all the bloodstains on it?”. Think of these people how they are after Christ. They talk of Yehowa, who is an abstract God, and they are the grossest people, I can tell you, they think of money, money, money, money, five times. They talk of the abstract – now we have many, many sahaja yogis who are Jews. (Seeker asks to repeat) Sahaja yogis who are Jews. And they feel it. And they feel so worried, so worried – two of them had come here, now they have gone away – about their parents, and about other people, what’s going to happen to these people. They see, because Christ exists there (She points at Her Agnya, ndt), I can prove it to you on Kundalini. I’ll prove it to you on Kundalini – Kundalini won’t rise unless and until you accept Jesus Christ Himself – nobody else but Jesus Christ – I’ll prove it to you. (Seeker says something like I accept this theory…). Shri Mataji: No, no, this you are accepting at this level. Is not the point. At that level you’ll accept. At that level when you’ll become the Spirit. At this level, whatever you are accepting is your own concept, because you are born as a Jew. If you were born as a Christian, you would have been: “I’m Jesus Christ”. There are many like that, who are saying like that. There’s one gentleman who is saying “I’m Jesus Christ” now. I said, “Put him on the water”. (Laughter) Can he walk? Just let him walk, one foot up and one foot down! (Laughter). It’s very simple, you know, to believe into anything. Khomeini believes he is God himself. I mean, how can you say that? There is nothing absolute about it, you have to find the absolute. Alright? When you find your absolute, then you should say: “This is the truth”, not believe. Alright? Many Jews now have become sahaja yogis, they have become the Spirit. (Lady seeker: I haven’t yet (?) No, no, I’m just telling you that many Jews have become, and they are following it up and understanding. You are nothing, you are the Spirit, I know that, I see you are the Spirit, but you have to become that. Spirit has to come in your awareness, it has to come in your central nervous system, it exists, I see that, clearly. (Lady seeker asks another question.) Warren repeats to Shri Mataji: “She is asking for You to comment on child abuse, and all the dreadful things that happen and she is wondering why, if there are so many of these young children who are realized souls, why do they suffer so much”) Shri Mataji: You see, in these countries, only the extremely highly developed people will be born, or the absolutely the most negative, the anti-Christ will be born. The mediocres are not going to take birth in this country, where the children are treated like this. They’ll be born in India. That’s why we are having population problem! (Seeker says something - probably abuse -that happened to her when she was ten years old) That’s why you see why we have a population problem in India: because you ill-treat your children! And the children don’t want to be born here. In England a radio fellow came and asked Me – as usual sinister, as usual – he asked me that: “What about your population problem?”. I said, “You are responsible, I’m sorry for that”. He said, “How are we responsible?”. I said: “In England two children are killed every week, statistically; which sane child would be born in that horrible country, except for somebody who is of a very [“dervish”?] temperament, dynamic, who’ll come and put them right?”. And these children are born to take over, let them grow. They’ll teach them all of them a lesson. (To the lady seeker) Don’t you worry. You’ll pass through all that. You’ll overcome that. (Seeker says something) I know they are satanic. I know they are satanic. They are satanic people. But they’ll be put right. Don’t you worry. These children will surpass them. They are great. They are dynamic. They are special people. Don’t you worry about them. They’ll be all looked after. They’ll get over it. Warren: Any other questions or shall we have it now? The thing is to get it. And then the questions get answered. Shri Mataji (talks to somebody): Now what about your “bhagavan”? Better take out from your dresses. Better take it out. This is no, no… Warren: Take it off. It’s going to absorb vibrations and stop your Kundalini from rising. Shri Mataji: Absolutely you’ll feel so hot in the beginning only. You’ll feel terribly hot. Seeker: Bhagavan once was my guru, but then I left. Shri Mataji: But you better leave him! Seeker: … wear the beads, what about it? Shri Mataji: Why? No, no no! Beads also, no no, nothing, nothing, anything that you might from him, throw it away in the sea! Horrible fellow he’s already finished. Seeker: Yes? Tell me something about Bhagavan, who is he?(Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs) Shri Mataji: Tomorrow (laughter) I’ll tell him who he is. Seeker says something about America. Shri Mataji: You Americans are very, very liberal people, you have asked all the anti-Christ to come and settle down here. And their vibrations are going to explode, and all earthquakes are going to come in this country if you don’t throw them away. Your media is not going to listen to Me, they don’t want to come to Me, and listen to this. This country will be destroyed, you take it from Me. You give them ranches and all that. (Seeker says it was bought) Shri Mataji: He bought it? (Seeker asks about the beads) Shri Mataji: Nothing, nothing, you give up this dirty cloth! Horrible, everything is horrible, very bad vibrations. I’ll tell you tomorrow who he is. Alright? All of them were devils, very well known to Me, long time back. About fourteen thousand years back I knew them. One better than the other. Seeker: He’s a devil? He is a devil. Can’t you see? What is holiness in him? His whole ashram is gutted and all that, finished. Indians never liked him. Lady seeker asks a question. Shri Mataji: You can see the pulsation of the Kundalini, you can see the rising of the Kundalini, you can feel the pulsation on your fontanel bone here (She touches fontanel bone). Then when the pulsation stops, then you see the cool breeze coming out, you can feel it. You see, you should feel. Lady seeker continues and asks if one can feel the devil or the spirit in another person. Shri Mataji: Yes, you can also feel it. Everyone will feel it. There is no devil in you, none of you: you are all saints. But the trouble is these devils have put some spirits in you, you are possessed. Which you have to cleanse. That you will yourself feel. Male seeker: My whole body here I felt very hot, my whole body was very hot. Shri Mataji: I know. (Seeker: And it was cool out) That’s it, that’s it. Coming to Me you’ll feel hot even, I told you, that you better change this dress of yours next time. Seeker: This color… Shri Mataji: Horrible color this one is, why to announce it? Seeker: What? Why to announce that you are a sannyasi? If you are you are, you don’t announce it, do you? Seeker: You don’t need to wear this colour? You should not wear this color… Shri Mataji: Throw it away! Throw away all his books, throw away his photographs, throw away everything! Seeker: But the color is not Bhagavan, the color is God. Isn’t it? Shri Mataji: No, no. This color symbolizes something, na? It symbolizes someone. It’s a symbol. And that gives you, gives you bad vibrations. It does, it does. Moreover, I am deadly against this color from the very beginning, which I’ll tell you tomorrow. Red is first class. (Seeker: Red, not orange?) Red one, not orange. (Seeker: I see.) Alright? Warren: You’ll know that the orange people, all over the world, buy that dress. Shri Mataji: You don’t know. The other day somebody came to Me, he said: “Mother, I have to make one prayer to You”: I said, What? He said: “Please save all the orange people” I said: “Who are these orange ones?”. Then he said: “These Bhagavans”. Bhagavan! Bhagavan can’t even smell a flower! Imagine the Bhagavan! In the books of the Vishnu is written He is the one who is fond of flowers. The Goddess is the fond of flowers, She’s the one who is fond of lotus. She sits in the lotus, She can’t live without the flowers – I can’t exist without flowers! And this fellow is, have you ever heard any saintly person to take flowers for that person? Can’t you see that? What he wants is gutters, he can’t bear the perfumes, he must have gutters. Dirty fellow he is. Send him to some bathroom and dump him down there. He’s already gone to his doom, don’t you worry. Horrible dirty, filthy man. Useless. (To Warren) You must show them this film: have you got it? Oh, you must see. (Warren: It shows all the nonsense and horrible stuff going on in the ashram) You must see. (Warren: The film was called: “The God who has fled”). Shri Mataji: “The God who has fled”. (Warren: He ran away from India, and now he’s hiding somewhere near the desert…”). Shri Mataji: And your media has even got time to come and see that! You see, what to do with these horrible media that you have here? But the best part of it they published the advertisement, somebody told Me, in the Time magazine of London, and you know Time magazine is closed permanently. Is closed. They are inauspicious people. These clothes are inauspicious. I hope I’ll be able to give realization but with these clothes I don’t know. I don’t know. Lady seeker asks a question. Warren repeats: “What about praying for somebody who is false?”. Shri Mataji: You see, when you are praying, to whom are you praying? To God, alright? You should be first connected or not? We are praying without our connection, like we are telephoning without the connection established, we spoil that telephone also. Better first when you are connected, then even if you say it once it works out. But you should be connected. You must enter into the kingdom of God. For example I am not an American citizen, I have no right as an American citizen, isn’t it? You have to become the citizen of God’s kingdom, then you have every right to ask for anything, otherwise you have no right. Unless and until you become a Spirit, you don’t have any right, whatever you may say. And if you say: “I’m that, I’m that”, people will put you in the jail. That’s what it is. You have to become. Then the prayer has meaning. Krishna has said clearly that should be Ananya Bhakti. Ananya means when there is not the other, when you are connected; that should be the time when you can worship. But I see the Hare Rama people, till they get their throat cancer, they are busy with that: what am I to do? They are not called orange: they are called what? Skinheads (laughter). (Shri Mataji laughs) And they are selling in the market that stuff, you know, which they wear here (She mimes a sort of ponytail behind the head, ndt). And they put that down, like a little hair coming out here you see. Warren: Like a wig. Shri Mataji: Wig. Is a special wig, Hare Rama wig. And they dance in that Oxford Circus and it’s shameful to see their, they wear those saris and dhotis and everything falls down, and they are dancing like mad, “We are mad in the love of Shri Krishna”. Imagine. What a caricature. And their guru used to look like one of our jockeys called Leslie Piggott: have you seen his face? Imagine worshipping Shri Krishna looking like that. Actually Vishuddhi gives you a face, a special face, Vishuddhi should. But the face he had was all kinds of wrinkles all over, all over the places, just like Leslie Piggott. He could be a good jockey but he’s died now. Is the person calling himself as “God’s devotee”. Imagine, a shame for God also to have such devotees who are TB patients. Seeker: Are other gurus today negative like Sai Baba? Shri Mataji: Which one, this with the hair? He is horrible, he is a big devil. (Seeker pronounces another name – sounds like Meher Baba.). Ah, horrible. There are real gurus also, I wouldn’t say that they are all horrible. They are in the market. The real ones are there, many are there, but they are not in the market. One of them I asked him to come here, he stayed in New York only for two days and ran away. He wouldn’t stay here. But they are very hard taskmasters. There are. And you will become: why are you worried about anybody else? You are going to become even better gurus than they are. (A lady seeker asks a question). Shri Mataji to Warren: “About what?” Warren: “Ramana Maharshi”. Shri Mataji (smiling): He was a realized soul. Warren: He was a realized soul. Shri Mataji: No doubt. That’s true, but not his disciples, are horrid. No, he was a realized soul, like Christ Himself was an incarnation Himself, but His disciples, the Christians, God save us from them. Lady seeker: What about Ramakrishna? Shri Mataji: Not at all, he was not a realized soul. He was a seeker like you. But he, how he did everything it was too much. I mean, what was the need to cry like this all the time like a madman, he was dancing and all that? There was no need to do all this drama, I think he was a very dramatic. Seeker: His was more like a devotional style. Too much left. Shri Mataji: Too much left. Nonsense. You know, God must have [been] fed up with such people. Like My granddaughter: we had a, in the neighborhood there was a temple. And they were dancing and singing like that. So she told Me: “Grandma, you see, God must have already run away from that temple no doubt, now I’m going to run away, I’m fed up of these people”. You know, you should not pester God also like this. This is too much. And what right have you got? One thing is that, supposing if I want to meet your President, supposing, I even want to meet your President I must have a proper protocol. I just cannot go and start shouting: “Oh President, oh President”, as if he is in My pocket. In the same way this is nonsense, absolute nonsense. You can see yourself. Ramakrishna ashram people mostly dying of cancer, I must say. Cancer. Cancer has taken over, I must say, I’m sorry, but at least I must have seen at least hundred cases, at least hundred cases from that, who are coming with cancer. I mean, he’s left-sided. And this Satya Sai Baba, this devil - the real one was there, Shirdi Sai Nath was real. But the second one, the one who is, he gives you heart attacks. Lady seeker: May I ask You about Sri Aurobindo? Warren: Aurobindo. Shri Mataji: What do you think? (Lady seeker says she was a visitor of his ashram but she got very bad vibrations). (Shri Mataji laughs) Warren: That’s your answer. That French woman of his, was a drunkard. The French woman he had was a drunkard. And she used to collect nothing but diamonds. And she had such big huge diamonds. And she was going to become young after some time. God knows what happened to her now, she’s finished. And they used to say, if you have to come to their ashram, then you must give all your assets to these “Johnnies”, Aurobindo and his mother or whatever relationship they had, all nonsense. (Lady seeker continues by saying she felt terrible) Shri Mataji: That’s what it is! Warren: This means you are a seeker and you are becoming aware of the negativity. Shri Mataji: Horrible they are. Absolutely horrible people. They make you mad. [A seeker says that Bhagavan will make you crazy – Shri Mataji laughs aloud, laughter - he says every part of his body became in flames and he almost died. He had the pain for three years.] Shri Mataji: I mean, this is nothing. He has given blisters to people all over. Ask your people, (...unclear), all of you should really write to your newspapers and things and ask them, “What are you doing about this man?”. How can he buy anything? You should prohibit. In India why doesn’t he buy anything? He can’t. He can’t. The government just put down their foot. Lady seeker: The more realized that you become, do you become like doctors? Shri Mataji: Of course, of course, the doctors have no place there, you save all your money from the doctors and all that. You become the doctor! You should become more healthy, you should become more wise, you should become more alert, you should become more dynamic, you should become control over everyone else. See? No more you are greedy. I mean, it’s a different thing, your priorities change completely. That’s what you deserve. That’s what you are. That’s what you should have. You have earned it! This is your bank balance I’m telling you about. I’m here just to sign your checks. (Laughter) If you have the bank balance. That’s what you are. Male seeker asks a question: “What is Your role in helping one realize himself?” Shri Mataji: What is My…? Warren repeats: “What is your role in all this, in helping one realize oneself?”. Shri Mataji: I don’t know what is My role is. I don’t know. Seeker continues: What do you do to make it rise, the Kundalini? Shri Mataji: I don’t do anything either. (Warren: You’ll find out yourself after…) No no no, I’ll tell you what. Is simple: now, will you ask the sun “what is your role”? It is the sun, it has to do it, just do it. You better do it. What can you do, it’s your nature! It’s My nature, I mean, there’s no role as such, it’s nature. What can I do: it just happens! (Laughter, Shri Mataji smiles) I enjoy, I enjoy. I want to share My enjoyment. You are My children, I have to give it to you. Is My love, I enjoy My love: that’s all. It’s rather difficult to understand a person like that, isn’t it? (She smiles). But there is One: can be One like that. In all this mess there can be One like that, who just does it out of love. That’s, that’s - it’s just love and compassion. Is ocean of compassion. I can’t get over it, I’m sorry. (Laughter) I have a very good husband, very good family, I’m a very happily married woman, everything is there, but without you I cannot enjoy life: cannot. You all have to get it, it’s My job, it’s My mission, it’s, that’s how I’m here, that’s how I’m created. I’m just made for this. I’m fixed for it, in American language (laughter). Or we can say: all set for it. Alright? There’s no role, nothing: it’s just I’m set, I have to do it. Male seeker asks if there is a method to make the Kundalini rise. Shri Mataji: No method, no thing. As far as… there’s a Divine method, you see, which cannot be explained, in ordinary words – like you cannot explain how a flower becomes a fruit. Alright? But I raise your Kundalini by My own raising. Seeker: Beg Your pardon? Shri Mataji: By raising My own Kundalini. I put your Kundalini on top of My Kundalini (inaudible word – looks like “raise both”). This is an immaculate, you can say, immaculate rebirth. I put you in My heart and give you realization from My Sahasrara. Alright? But how I do it, that I can’t tell you. But you will also do it. Once you get it, your vibrations will do it automatically. Male seeker continues, Warren repeats: “How long does it take”? Shri Mataji: Oh, split of a second! Just split of a second, but if you are alright. Otherwise I have to cleanse you little bit. (Seeker: You have to do what?) Shri Mataji: I have to cleanse you a little bit. Alright? Male seeker says: I felt very hot when I asked You that silly question… So I’m willing… here You’ll be showing… I do not know what to do…, but we’ll find out! Shri Mataji: Ah, that’s it. Warren: Here in America She’s going to establish a group, all of you could get together…) Shri Mataji: No, Herman has offered his place for this thing, very sweet of him, to have offered it. No, Herman has offered his place and I’m going to sanctify it, I’m going to see the place and all that, and we’ll start our centre there. Christine is here, she’s a very old sahaja yogini in the sense that she came to Me one of the first seven I had, for four years, she’s one of them. And she knows a lot about Sahaj Yog. Then in Boston we’ve got Steve and you all are going to grow very fast - and we’ve got here another one Christine who is in Boston, then I don’t know about Tracy if she’s going to come down and settle down here. And also, who else? Is Marsha, but Marsha has now gone to Philadelphia and she is going back to England, then she is going to come back with her husband and settle down in Philadelphia. So you are going to have these people here to help you and give whatever guidance you need. And you yourself will start understanding it very well. Very soon. Four-five days are sufficient to equip you. So the reaction comes to you as heat, you see, if you try to be … (She laughs) Alright, I didn’t do anything, I’m just sitting here, am I doing anything? Alright, now let’s have it. (Warren asks people to take off their shoes) Shri Mataji: Yes, please, that’s what is the simplest thing to understand. Now, can I remove this part of the thing that is hanging onto My neck? What, has it improved anything? I don’t know: did it? (Warren: It’s for the television). Shri Mataji: Aah! That’s the one! I don’t understand all these things. Whatever you say I will do: only thing be satisfied. Right? Good, is there, still is there, not lost. Lady seeker says something: “I think I have it most of the time at home now” Warren repeats: “She thinks she has it all the time”. Shri Mataji: Good, good, keep it up. Keep it up. And then I’ll tell you everything about your theology later on, alright? (Lady seeker apologizes that she could not come, maybe to the hotel to meet Shri Mataji, but she is going to come tomorrow). Shri Mataji: Alright. I’ll tell you all about it. All about it. Slowly, slowly you will know everything. You see, there are many things which are true and many things which are false. And with vibrations you can verify it. (Lady seeker says something) Shri Mataji: Ah. Nobody (?) could be more aware of it than Me. (Lady seeker: And some terrible things are going on in Christianity, they are destroying people.) Shri Mataji: You don’t know how much concern I have. You have no idea. (Lady seeker says that things that happening in Christianity are worse than… inaudible) Shri Mataji: I mean, you can’t say that, is both ways, everywhere just the same, I’m very aware of it, I’m very aware of it. Jesus Christ came in that fashion, and it brings such disgrace. I’m very much concerned, very much concerned on My own level and work things out in My own way. Lady seeker: And I was a nun for ten years, I mean, I have seen horrible things. Warren: She was a nun for ten years, contemplative nun. Lady: I mean, I got in such spiritual pain… I suffered, and I saw no reason that I had for that suffering, but I saw and I mean, it was awful, it was terrible. Shri Mataji: I know, I know that. You know this Pope of yours, I went to Cracow, I went with My husband to Cracow, just before, before he became the Pope. And you see, he’s a big man, so they took Me, they said: “What are you interested in?”. I said: “I’m interested in churches”, so they took Me to Cracow. And they had a mass, you see, this fellow came and shook My hand and I raised his Kundalini alright, and it pierced through also. But it again went back, because he’s a Christian like that. And I worked on him quite a lot, but you know what happened? Recently there was a photograph of Pope. And his hand came out like this (She rises right arm, ndt) and the hand is missing, this hand is missing. (Lady seeker: “I know, I know what you are saying, I know about this”). Shri Mataji: And that photograph was published, they don’t know how it was published. Then they have seen these points. And Rome, in Rome people are very much against him. Very much against all institutions, it’s nonsense, they know. (Lady seeker: Horrible) Shri Mataji: We have somebody here, whom you should talk to, then he’ll tell you about it, and the one who wrote this book “Advent”. He was, he was also wanting to become a priest and all that, and he is very much against it. Actually against Catholicism I spoke about three, two years back, isn’t it? (To some yogi) In your wedding I spoke. Very much. Lady seeker asks Shri Mataji that, as She said She had a Christian background, whether it was a Protestant or a Catholic approach. Shri Mataji: Lutheran. Lady seeker: Pardon? Shri Mataji: Lutheran. I was baptized by Lutherans (She laughs) And then - then My father was a member of the Church of Scotland, Presbyterian. I have no background, neither My father had. My father was a very learned man, and a very evolved soul, you see. He knew 14 languages, then he had mastered Sanskrit language and all that. Lady seeker says something about Shri Mataji being from Madhra Pradesh and She is probably… Warren repeats: “She thinks You are from Madhya Pradesh, You are not from Madhra Pradesh”. Shri Mataji: No, actually that time that Madhya Pradesh was in Maharashtra. Now it’s on its own. You see, that part is Maharashtra. [Lady seeker says that she thought She was a Catholic, then she saw Her place of origin so she was trying to figure out.] Shri Mataji: That is the center of India. That hill station is the center of India. That’s where I was born. In the Tropic of Cancer. (Lady seeker: “I know India very well. That particular area is about 50 miles from Nagpur…”) Shri Mataji: That’s the place is placed on the Tropic of Cancer, Mecca is also Tropic of Cancer. [End of video recording]

9/28/1981

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Being aware of vibrations

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Public Program 5, New York (USA), September 28th, 1981 Yesterday I gave you the history of the seeking of human beings, how in three different lines we have been seeking. The first one as I told you on the right-hand side, where they were doing something about exciting or awakening the deities of the elements, more in Greece and all these places they did these things, much more than they did in India. Also in India we had the Vedas, in the Vedas whatever they did was just to excite or you can say awaken the deities of the five elements. I think you all know what these five elements are, I need not tell about them. So this side that we see here is the power of action which enacts through five elements. This side is the power as I told you, is the power of desire, which is a power by which you are emotional. This emotional power is active as a desire power, and this power that is there which is the Kundalini, is the desire to be one with your Spirit, which is not yet manifested, that’s why it’s a sleeping power, and called as a residual power. Because it has created the whole universe that is you, and still is residual. In the center we have another power, by which we have evolved from our amoeba stage to this stage, whatever we have achieved is in our central nervous system. So we have another system which is the achievement through our evolution, that is called as central nervous system. Whatever is in our central nervous system, is the consciousness, is the present. So the right-side one, as you see here and the left-hand side one, are also two sympathetic nervous systems: this is the left sympathetic nervous system, this is the right sympathetic nervous system. But as you are seeing here, it is a subtle – subtle body, and in the gross we can say this is the left sympathetic nervous system, this is the right sympathetic nervous system, and this is the parasympathetic nervous system, and the central nervous system we have not shown here. Whatever you achieve as a human being is perhaps not properly understood also. Now you see, if you put an animal in a dirty place, he doesn’t know what is dirty, he doesn’t smell anything awful, he doesn’t think it’s something wrong, it can walk into any place. While for a human being it is unbearable. The achievement of our awareness as a human being is there, but is not complete. Is not full. It has not reached its maximum, or optimum, or we can say it has not got yet its own purpose. It has not reached its absolute value. And that’s why we are in a confusion. The another problem is that when the man raised his head here, these two powers started working within him, creating two big institutions called ego and superego. And these institutions became like balloons and they met on top of the head here, near the fontanel bone area, say about twelve years of age the whole thing gets calcified. And when it is calcified, you become the egg, you become separated, you develop your I-ness. Before that you are not. Now, an animal doesn’t have a problem of ego. I mean, he doesn’t have many problems, for example he won’t be bothered if your dollar has a problem. He won’t understand about insurances. He won’t understand so many problems that we have created for ourselves. But he doesn’t have the possibility, he doesn’t have the possibility to get realization in the first place, and another possibility that once he gets realization to know his Spirit. Many people have asked Me: “What about animals?”. I said: “Animals cannot get realization”. They cannot. Even, say, if there’s an animal if you vibrate that, he may carry the vibrations. Even this chair can carry the vibrations. Even these flowers can carry the vibrations. They can have vibrations, but they are not aware of them. This difference we must understand very clearly, that they are not aware. That’s why the people who have found out certain places as the places of worship, places of adoration, they are the people who are seers, who were realized souls, and they could feel the vibrations in that particular place, and that’s how they selected those places for worship and other things. Now for example I went to Kashmir once, with My husband, and we were going in the car, and suddenly I felt tremendous vibrations in the air. Cool vibrations. And I told My driver, I said, “There must be some temple or something here”. He said: “There’s no temple, it’s absolutely a place which is forlorn”. But I said: “Must be about 2-3 miles a-here there must be some place of worship of someone”. “Oh – he said – there is one”, I said: “Which one?”. “It’s called as Hazratbal”, that is one hair of Mohammed Sahib is kept there. And people go to that place. Now, so many Muslims go to that place, they don’t know why they go. Some pir, some realized soul, must have told that this is a hair of Mohammed Sahib and that’s why there are vibrations, so that hair is kept there. They have fought over it, and done all kinds of things, but they don’t know what they are doing. So when I went there I saw lots of people were there, and they wouldn’t allow us to go in because we were not Muslims according to them (Shri Mataji laughs), but sitting down there I could feel the vibrations of Mohammed Sahib – only one hair of Mohammed Sahib. So you can imagine how powerful these vibrations are. Now, when we say that we should not worship – in the Bible it is written that you should not worship anything that is reproduced and created by the Mother Earth and the heavens. Now what is it, what is it created by the Mother Earth and by the heavens, which we should not reproduce? This nobody tries to find out, they think that you are not allowed to worship any form. It’s all misinterpretation; it’s completely misinterpretation. I’ll tell you, there is in Paris a church called as – what is it called, Gavin? – [Gavin: “Notre Dame”] Notre Dame. And the - and the statue of Mary and Christ is so vibrating, from outside you can see the vibrations are coming out. Now, this must have been made by some very great artist who was a realized soul. For example, the Sistine Chapel in Rome has got a very beautiful frescos of Christ and all that; and if you see that Christ, I mean, it’s absolutely vibrating. But down below there is a big table on which they have put Christ just bones, miserable creature, which is nowhere near Christ, I mean, it’s impossible that Christ could be like that, so miserable, ugly-looking, thin, worn out, hopeless case. How can he be Christ, I can’t understand! He carried a complete huge big cross upon Himself – do you think these bones could have carried? And this was placed just below where in Sistine Chapel you find the Christ standing as He was. How can it be? You must understand! And all these miserable things have led to such problems, because people think that if you are seeking, you should look the most miserable person. If you are a realized soul you should be skeleton. It’s impossible to explain to them that how can it be? A person who is a realized soul never suffers. He never suffers. The other day – I’m covering this subject before coming to the chakras, because in these few days, what I have gathered is that very absurd ideas are crawling upon here in America, where people start saying that Buddha said that you must suffer. How can He say like that? It’s illogical. Impossible. How can He say that you should suffer? Because, when He saw suffering - you know the story: when He went out, He saw an old man, He saw a sick man, He saw a dead man. And the idea came into His head that “Why are they suffering?”. And then He said: “It is because they are ignorant, they should be enlightened, there should be enlightenment”. And then He went round and searched and searched and ultimately He was tired. He was sitting down under a banyan tree, when He received His enlightenment, spontaneously. How can He say that you must suffer? The another myth among Christians is that you must suffer. Why should you suffer? Because Christ has suffered for you, isn’t it? Has He suffered or not? If He has suffered for you, then why should you suffer any more? Or has He left something for you to be done? Was He incomplete in His suffering? Did you want Him to suffer more? Actually, this suffering business is the greatest nonsense that I have ever heard. The another side of the Christ is the Jews. They said that if you accept Christ – I mean, they were in a way correct, that if you accept Christ then you will have to say that you have no suffering. So don’t accept Christ. If you don’t accept Christ then “we must suffer”. Alright. So you suffer. And they suffered in Germany you know how they suffered. Now they have become ego-oriented, they are on the other side, now the shoe is on the other leg. All these mythical ideas about God, His incarnations, His aspects, is so man-made that it has become plastic, absolutely plastic, and I don’t know how you are going to destroy this plastic from the human brain. Is absolutely impossible to convince them that suffering has nothing to do with realized souls. Actually, suffering is there when you are lost in a tempest, in the water, you are worried about getting engulfed. But if you are put on the boat will you feel the suffering? If you are a Christian, if you are a realized soul, you are - if you are really baptized – really, not by just putting your hand, and “I baptize you, so-and-so, in the name of this and that”: that has no meaning at all, it’s just a drama! You dress up well, take the little baby there, she is dressed well and nobody knows anything what’s happening, and they just put the hand – and you just accept it! This kind of baptism of course not. But the real baptism, when the Kundalini rises from here, She goes up - here She awakens Christ, where He sucks these two things, ego and superego, meaning your conditionings and your karmas, both the things, they are sucked in, and then the thing there’s an opening here (Shri Mataji touches Sahasrara). Actually you feel the softness here on your head, just like a child. He said: “You have to be like little children to enter into the kingdom of God”. Means, what do the children have? They have a soft bone hole here. That’s how it becomes, actually it should become physically, and you start feeling the cool breeze coming out of your head. So I wanted to clear you on this point, that there is no need for human beings to suffer. Only thing they are to be born again. Now again this is another very, very funny situation creating word is “born again”. When I came to America last time, everybody was trying to tape Me. I mean, we had much more groups than we have here now, I don’t know what has happened to them. They are all shifted, they are not here, God knows where they have gone in America, because all the time Americans are shifting, you see, they are not gruhasthas, they are not householders. They are all the time shifting from places to places, is impossible to lay hands on anyone. So somebody has gone to California, somebody has gone to Caracas, and… I mean, everybody has shifted and I don’t know where are they lost. Whatever it is. Now the main thing is that, when I came here, I told them that you are to be born again, you are to be realized souls, means actually, I didn’t mean that you go to some place and say that “I’m born again”, that sort of a thing I never said. And the gentleman who had organized the program in Los Angeles, he was very anxious that he said: “Mother, don’t allow anybody to tape Your lectures”. But I said: “What’s the harm? I mean, after all, what’s the harm?”. He said: “No, no, but they’ll spread this”. I said: “Very good, what do I want out of them is spread the news, alright, now I’ve come and they should get their realization. This is a fact, this is the truth, and what is the harm, after all truth is truth!”. But I didn’t realize that they were so stupid, so stupid, that they started many organization on that, you see, the vibration word came after that, and the “born again”. Now, they are ‘born again’, self-certified born-agains. You find them anywhere, I met them in America (Shri Mataji corrects Herself)… in Australia, “We are born again”. I said: “How?”. “We are born”. I said: “But how? What is your authority?”. “Bible is our authority”. I said: “But how do you say that you are born again? You must be collectively conscious, isn’t it? Something must take place in you”. They are fanatics! These born-agains are nothing but another prototype of Mr. Khomeini, nothing else. They are Khomeinis, all these fanatics are nothing but Khomeinis! In different names, in different labels, but they are not born again, they are not realized souls, because a realized soul is collectively conscious. He is, I’m saying to be. If he becomes. It is not just he says that “I am born again”. It’s foolish and stupid to say like that, that I am something. Supposing tomorrow I start saying that I am the Governor of this place: they will arrest Me and put Me in the lunatic asylum! That is how people have branded themselves “We are this and we are that, and we are that”. And the another thing human beings have is to club. They always club together. You see, under any name they can club, like in England I met someone, he said: “Oh, they are, they belong to our group”. I said: “What is your group doing?”. He said: “You see, we, we, we have our fork and spoons put in a different way”. I said: “Eh?”. For that they have formed the another group. I said: “Really?” “Yes, you see, our forks and spoons are not the way they put it in England, we have another group”. I mean, any nonsense they will take up to form a club, or to form a group, or a cult, or a sect, or… and then bringing God in between, you know, it is in the, “God has given us this idea”. Now, how did you get connected to God? It’s such an absurd thing going on, I mean, these sects and all these things I just can’t understand. God has created no sects, nothing. He has only created two types of human beings, one who are realized, one who are not. There’s no third type. At the most you can say there are seekers and non-seekers, at that point where you can say those who are not realized. But I can’t think of any other thing, I mean, God has created different type of faces, for example somebody has, say, blond hair, somebody has black hair, somebody has white skin, black skin… He had to do like that, otherwise we would all have looked like machines, like these chairs that are here, we would have had no beauty about us, isn’t it? There would have been no variety, such a boring thing to see, all these chairs morning till evening. That’s why He created this beauty, He made us so beautiful, by giving us different permutations and combinations, and things, it’s such a, such a work He has put in, while we are trying to become machine-like bolts and nuts and we become sort of, as they call it the “work”, you see, the work we become of God. Which is absurd. Say, in the nature if you see, even one leaf is not just the same like the other leaf. Even there. Variety creates the beauty. And all these points, also people are there, there might be leagues here for the red hair league, and the black hair league, or maybe any sort of a, any nonsensical thing they can use it, you can’t say what, to what extent they can go in forming a club Any sort of thing. And here we are to see that we are universally like this (She points at Chakra Chart). Whether you have a black skin or a white skin, whether you have a bald head or a red head, you all have this thing inside you. All of you have got this universal thing within you, except for the devils. If you are a human being you all have this thing within you. Now, when I say this to you, you need not accept Me also, because there’s all freedom in Sahaja Yoga. If you don’t want to accept, is all right, but don’t deny. As a scientist, you must accept this hypothesis. Once you accept the hypothesis, you go ahead with it, see for yourself, if you get your realization, then see for yourself, go further and see about it. Now, as he said that people are saying here that we should get Shakti from anyone, everyone, is another Guru-shopping business, you see? Is - I’ve seen people who sit down and see that how much money they can spend on their seeking. So they find out, “Now, if you have to go to X you have to pay two hundred and he is hundred… Now, how much money do I have in the bank, how will I balance it, now how many people I can go to?”. The idea is, as many things you can buy in the market in that little money, is all - they sit down and plan it out. You see, this is not God. But they will be lost with Me because you can’t just purchase Me. You cannot. Neither you can buy Him. Now, what to do now, where do I fit in? Then I don’t fit in, because there’s - according to their planning I don’t fit in, because I’m supposed to get some money out of it. And it’s such a funny sort of a clownish behavior towards religion that I was flabbergasted, when I started seeing people here, I mean, I came here no doubt, but I refused to come for nine years. I said, ‘Now these people only think of dollars, dollars, dollars: when are they going to think of God?”. How much money did Christ charge you? You sold Him for thirty rupees. You sold Him. Did He charge any money? He lived like a carpenter’s son. He had only two tunics to wear. He lived with that, but He was the king. Because such people do not care for anything, you see, nothing can make them tempted too. For such people it’s alright. If you make Me sleep on the ground it’s alright! If you make Me sleep in a palace is alright, for such people they are kings they are above all these things, you cannot lure them into anything. And that’s what was before you, Christ. Christ came on this earth before Me. Told you that what is important is your Spirit. Look after your Spirit. And you raised your churches, and you raised all these buildings, and all these places – where is the Spirit? The Spirit is missing. We have to pay attention to our Spirit. He has said it in many, many words, “You are to be born again”. It is, He said it, “You put Me in your heart”, all that was possible in that language, to these fishermen, He told. Of course they have honestly quoted all that, but not all that what He said. Because He also lived only for three, four years there, and He was crucified. I mean, imagine the stupidity of people to crucify Christ. I can tell you, if He comes to America today you may crucify Him. Why? Because anybody who cures in this country, he is prosecuted! Your legal side is so great, you don’t know the laws of God, you don’t know these Divine laws how they work. So let us forget about this one, you are all seekers, you are special people, you are chosen people, you are men of God. You are not men of the world. Accept your position. Have your self-esteem. You are not the people who are going to seek money, and are going to judge God through money, or through positions, or anything. Like these people went to see the medias and they were only impressed by My husband’s position, imagine! But you are different. You are the seekers, you are the seekers of truth, and truth you cannot purchase. I’m telling you this because I feel people need some cracking on this point. You cannot purchase, you cannot have a course, you cannot demand it. It has to work out, it’s a happening, it’s a living happening, it’s a living process, of a living God. Christ has said how many times this word ‘living’? Which is living, is here, by going to anybody you can get any number of spirits. By paying to them you can purchase nothing but spirit and your lunacy. You can get epilepsy by paying money, you can get heart attacks, you can get your blood cancers and you can get also some horrible types of diseases, which I have seen people are getting, these horrible so-called Shakti-Pat people. One has to know, once you become the Spirit you become marvelous. Your health must improve, everything must improve. So today we are here, on the chakras I have given you the introduction because you will see why you improve in health. Why there has to be improvement in health when the Kundalini rises. Now at the very outset I will tell you one thing very important, which should not really shock you, but you should know is a fact: that this one, is the first center, called as Muladhara chakra. Now, the word Muladhara means, Mula means the root. Adhara means the support. So this is the support of the root. The root is this, Kundalini, and this is the support of the Kundalini. And this is the chakra which is bestowed upon by a deity called Shri Ganesha, who is the embodiment of innocence. It is the same deity born at this time as Christ. Now one should know that this chakra in the gross controls the pelvic plexus. I don’t know how many of you are doctors here. But pelvic plexus also has sub-plexuses which are four in number. And they control all our excretory functions, including sex. Now, if you see it clearly, it is placed below the Kundalini. Because it’s the innocence. In the mud of excretion is put the innocence, because He is innocent. A child doesn’t understand sex, does He? He is the eternal Child. Ganesha is the eternal Child. Christ is an eternal Innocence. He doesn’t understand sex nor can He marry anyone – all these ideas of Christ marrying, I mean, how can you marry a little child? He doesn’t develop ego and superego, like human beings do. And that’s why the head of the Child is that of an elephant, because elephant is a very, very wise animal and there is a story about it, but that I will tell you later on. To show that, the person who is bestowing, or we can see [say?] the King who is enthroned here (points at Muladhara on the chakra chart), is the one who is a Child, His ego and superego do not meet. He does not have I-ness. This is what was the meaning of this. In this center He resides, but that shows one thing very clearly: that sex has nothing to do with your realization. Kundalini is above it. Only this center informs that somebody is there before you who is authorized to do the job, or who is there who has got the authority which is emitting for that person, and that’s how the Kundalini rises. Just like sprouting of the seed. Just like sprouting of the seed. This is the primule you can say of the seed which rises, but the information comes through this in here, that there is somebody who is an authority, Divine authority. Authority word is very, very aggressive, Divine authority is very loving, and such a person is there and the Kundalini rises immediately. This is how the Kundalini awakening takes place. So the first and foremost thing we have to know that sex plays no part in Kundalini awakening. People go and learn sex behavior from animals: now, are you going to become animals? What is there to learning sex I just don’t, I don’t understand! The knowledge is already there, in India nobody talks of sex the way you talk, we are producing much more children than you are producing! (Laughter) Also there is another reason, as I told you yesterday that no children want to be born in Western countries, because they are killed, they are harmed, they are tortured; but in India even a person may have twelve children, he loves the children. That may be another reason we are facing that, but one of them is that they know about sex quite alright. And they don’t have children which you can call as illegitimate children. Very few in India illegitimate children are! Very few people divorce. I mean, they live happily! All desires you have developed of your marriage, what have you got are divorced people, children are suffering, they are in the orphanage, and the old people are also in the orphanage. Ten husbands marry ten wives and they are planted in orphanages. No family system, nothing. So one has to understand that sex is placed here (Muladhara) and is to be respected as a function, and as a private function, specially to be sanctified by the public. For example, excretion of any kind: if the public has not sanctioned. For example it has not been sanctioned that you go and do something on the street. You’ll be arrested, isn’t it? So whatever is not sanctioned to you, if you do like that, because you think you have got your liberties to do it, you will be definitely arrested and will be troubled. And we can see it in nature also that if you do all these things, you develop horrible diseases. I was seeing the statistics of the American nude and I was amazed that 65% young people from 25 to 40 years have some sort of a disease which is a secret disease. Which is a ugly disease. What a charring thing it is, just think of it. If you go through the statistics you see, either they suffer from impotency, or they suffer from horrible diseases which are supposed to be incurable. Of the sex origin. If your liberation so-called means license, was a good thing, nature would have been kinder to you. But it is not! Apart from anything else, we have got Christ before us. Let’s see, what Christ has to say? He said, “Thou shalt not have adultery is said. But I say: Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. See what a powerful statement it is. Because He’s there, near the eyes. Not only the adultery part, but even the eyes. And you see here people have their eyes roving all over, like – God knows what’s happening to them. They must see every woman who’s passing, every woman must every man who’s passing. I don’t know what are they doing, wasting their attention. He has said it so clearly. Even in the church when they are sitting, when they are trying to worship Christ, they are doing nothing but flirting! Have we no respect for ourselves?! First purification point comes here (points at Mooladhara on chakra chart – ed). The first purification comes here. Let us face it. Of course you’ll be purified when the Kundalini rises. But I must tell you, when this center is catching, the Kundalini is sucked back. One has to raise it again and again, and again and again, and again and again, to establish realization. You can become a very dry person, an over-sexy person, it can be any perversion, or you can be all sorts of perversions, I really don’t even understand, the man becomes a woman, and a woman becomes a man, and this and that possession – all sorts of nonsensical things – dog becomes a man, and - I mean, I just can’t understand how you are going mad with … Hither and thither, all over the places, I mean, I don’t - I really don’t understand, I was so shocked, I never knew that such things exist in this world, that human beings have gone to that limit of nonsense. Books have been written about it. I met two ladies in, in Basel, very near the German border. These two ladies who came to Me were horrid, absolutely horrid. And this one was there and she was shaking before Me, and all sorts of things happening to them. And I asked her, “What do you do?”. “Oh, You see, we are very qualified”. I said, “How?” “We have done all the sophisticated methods of Freud”. I said: “Really? Now you have surpassed him or what?”. I could not give them realization! I mean, the way you have taken Freud seriously, Christ is absolutely blurred out of your family. Christ is only for a cross to be worn, that’s all. But that far, nothing beyond. And cross is not the message of Christ, is the resurrection! You are to be resurrected, He got His resurrection to prove that you can be resurrected. And how are we to resurrect when we have indulged so much into the nonsense of this? But still I must tell you, I must confess that the grace of God has poured all its kindness now. Really, I tell you, any type of thing is really forgiven. All sins and blasphemy and all that is forgiven and you really get your realization. I’ve seen people who are described as one of the worst and the worst and the worst of all: they get their realization and that’s how they get their transformation and transmutation. It’s surprising how it’s working. It has to work! Because the creation is to be saved. It is He who is worried about His creation rather than we are worried. So the first chakra I have told you about, has got four – four, we call them petals, in Sanskrit language, petals. And these petals have four sub-plexuses to look after. Now, when we go to Kundalini, it has got three and a half coils. Kundalini is placed there in three and a half coil. Three and a half coil has a special meaning, and it is a mathematical calculation, three and a half is, is a mathematical calculation, and if you happen to read one of My – I think in the Advent I don’t know if is discussed it (or) not, but it’s a mathematical calculation which has got seven – actually if you see there it makes seven chakras, if you, if you push it one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, if you draw a straight vertical line. And this is also principle is used in our automatic watches, the spring that we use is a spiral which has three and a half coils. It’s a mathematical coefficience that works out. Now this Kundalini is placed in the sacrum bone, called as sacrum, that means Greek knew that it was a sacred bone. And it is said that when the body burns, this bone doesn’t burn. It remains. Unless and until terrible acid and all these things fall on it, it does not burn. And it is a sacred bone. Now. Then, I mean, on Kundalini if I have to speak, I can… I must have spoken at least for hours. But we are now going like an introduction to all these chakras, alright? And later on you’ll get My tapes from England and you can go through them and see for yourself how this Kundalini is a tape recorder within us. She tapes everything. And She has got all the information as to what you have done, where you have been. As soon as the Kundalini rises, you get the information on the fingers, the realized souls get the information on the fingers. She gives information – he is catching there, is catching here, this is the problem (She shows thumb of left hand), and this is to be corrected (She shows thumb of right hand). I’ve seen people have got Kundalini – you’ll be amazed – so wounded, so many holes, it’s just trying to rise, you know, it’s absolutely desperate. It flexes at this side, that side, it cannot rise. And again it falls out, limp down, and it wants help. If this chakra (maybe the Muladhara) is catching, or this chakra is catching (She indicates the Muladhar, sacrum bone area - ed), then you find a big pulsation in that area, I mean you will see terrible pulsation. Just like a heart, you can see with your … But this chakra (points at Swadishthana on chakra chart – ed) if it’s catching, specially on the left side, means – the left side – means that a person is possessed. Unauthorized person has put some possession into him. Such a person gets specially this pulsation very strong in this area (sacrum bone – ed). You can see it very clearly this pulsation in people who have got a catch, in the way the Swadishthan chakra caught up on the left hand side, you get it – the nearer it is, the worse it is. It starts pulsating because it is trying to push itself, it wants to get out of the barrier, and that’s why it makes a tremendous effort to come out. But it does not. And then it sets back again. And again it tries. And I have seen that unless and until you clear this chakra, it doesn’t come up. Now, when you come to this chakra (Nabhi - ed), which is the second as we said, why we said – because this is connected with this like a, we can say a stock of a lotus. Now, this chakra is the chakra of our seeking. Navel chakra. It’s called as Nabhi chakra. This center is responsible for our evolution, up till now. Like from amoeba to this stage we became because of the power of this center. And this center is occupied by the Father figure, whom we call as Narayana. Lakshmi Narayana. Is the One, is the Father aspect of God. Now, one can say there is only one God. Yes, there is only one God. No doubt, there’s only one God. There are not many Gods. But God, who is One, has many aspects. Like you can be a doctor, you can be a husband, you can be a father, you could be a son. Now you can’t say there’s only one man. I mean, then, God is not like Rock of Gibraltar, that He, He has no other aspects; but even Rock of Gibraltar, if you go and study, it has got different cells of which it is made. So God has different aspects, and in those different aspects He acts differently. There’s only one God who does this, but His aspects are different. Now, the first aspect of God is the desire of God that He wants to create. This desire is represented by this power of His. The another aspect of God is here, by which He wants - He creates, He acts. He acts and creates. He is the Creator on this side. Now, the central one is the aspect of God which is the Father, which is the One which tries to evolve, improves His image on the reflectors that He has created. These are the three functions and three aspects of God. Now this aspect is the aspect of the Spirit here, we say, because it’s the One that the Spirit exists all the time, it is changeless, it is eternal, and it does not incarnate. In the sense that that aspect, which is the aspect of a witness, does not incarnate. That’s the God Almighty, we can say, is called as Sadashiva in Sanskrit language. This aspect of God does not incarnate. He never incarnates. But His power is the Adi Shakti, is the Primordial Mother, is the Primordial Power, the Primordial Shakti, is the One that creates this whole thing. She first creates the left side, and then the right side, and then the central side. These are the three powers this Primordial Power has got. And then She puts this Kundalini down there, when you become a human being it rises, and makes you aware of that All-pervading Power which is this cool breath which you start feeling. So the witness stays in the heart – the witness is the Spirit. He is Sat-Chit-Ananda, means He is the truth, He is the attention, and He is the joy. When you get your realization, your attention becomes enlightened. Your attention becomes enlightened. How? That I can tell you there’s someone here who is one of the first sahaja yogis we had. When he got his realization he asked Me: “Mother, my father has not telephoned to me all these days… (unclear due to bad quality of audio)… how is he”. I said, “You can feel him, just what is happening to him”. He just put his hands like this (inaudible due to bad quality of audio) and he got a burning here. (Shri Mataji points at the area in the right hand just below the fingers – ed) These are the centers of your father. I said, “This one (right Vishuddhi finger – ed), that means something is wrong with him in the throat, maybe he is down with bronchitis, of a serious type”, because it was burning. He telephoned to Scotland and the person answered was his mother, and she told in the same language, same sentence, that he’s down with very bad bronchitis. You can even cure him sitting down. You can, because you are enlightened, your attention is enlightened. Enlightened is not just ordinary light. Enlightenment means that when you are enlightened with the Divine light, in the real sense, not this artificial one, then your attention starts acting. It starts working out. It starts cooperating, coordinating, it’s a telecommunication and everything. Apart from that, it loves. And this All-pervading power you have to become. Actually we do not know, we are not aware of this. We do not know that there is all-power around us, that this All-pervading power is surrounding us, you are not at all aware of this. Is like, I say there is all music going on here, and a drama going on here – you won’t believe Me, till I put the television: “Oh – you say – yes, it is there”. In the same way, unless and until you are put to the mains, you cannot feel that All-pervading power. And that is the Truth. The rest is all just a falsehood. Is fake. That’s the only thing that is the Truth is the All-pervading power. Whatever that All-pervading power relates to you is the truth. Like when you have that, you ask a question: “Is there God?”. You’ll get tremendous flow on your hand. But if you ask about a horrid person, who is not a Guru but is a fake person, immediately the vibrations will stop – not only that, sometimes it may burn, it may even give you blisters, if you just ask the question. It is so surprising, it is so simple, that once you jump into it, the All-pervading power starts emitting through you and you become the vehicle of that power, and the master of it. Whatever way you want, you can maneuver it, you can know – now for example this gentleman has got the left side problem: how did I know? I could feel it within Myself. Now, if you put your left hand towards a person, who is a realized soul or who has the power, and put your right hand outside, the whole thing will be cleared out – aren’t you better now? – you’ll be much more comfortable, it will go away. It has to go away, because the connection is established, now the thing is flowing in, and it just - just like the electricity flowing out. It’s so simple! It’s so simple; to you this electricity looks very simple because your forefathers have worked for it, and they have brought it down here. To you it is just switching on on the light. But how many lives have been lost for this. How much mechanism is there, what an organization is there, everything is there. But to you it is just switch on, that’s all, finished. It’s so simple. So to look at it may look simple, but it’s a tremendous organization that works it out. Imagine these centers are built within us with our evolution. This is the center of when we were just carbon, up to carbon point. Carbon also is tetravalent. This is also tetravalent. Till we were carbon - carbon is a very pivotal, pivotal element in all the elements, if you see the position of carbon; because when carbon started, then only life started coming. And this is how we are here up to the carbon point (She points at Muladhara on the chakra chart). After that we become human beings (points at Nabhi on chakra chart – ed) we start… I mean, life, then we start growing here. Now this grew into seven stages. We grew into, say, definitely we say ten stages, out of which eight stages brought us up to human level (Shri Mataji points at center heart chakra on chakra chart – ed). Now as I told you, this is the center of creativity (starts by pointing at Swadishthana and then to the circumference of Void – ed), means it creates all the stars and everything within us, it creates all the galaxies and all those things within us, and is also responsible for looking after our left side psyche and the right side creativity. Say if there is an artist with us, who comes to us, you’ll find his right side Swadishthana – this is the Swadishthana (right thumb – ed) is (this? Unclear) also you can see here (on chakra chart – ed) – immediately you’ll find that he is an artist. Immediately you’ll find that he is giving you hot vibrations on this part (right thumb – ed), means he is an artist, or maybe he has used it too much, a person who is a speaker, or a writer, and all that thing, who has used his creative power too much on the right hand side, gives you this feeling (right thumb). The one who has used the left side psyche, like people who have been tampered with their psyche – you see, a psychologist, a person who is a psychologist, who is studying psychology – I mean, psychology cannot be studied by people who are not realized souls. They should not. They do not know how they are harmed by tampering with others’ psyche. They do not know how to protect themselves. For a doctor may tie up something to save himself (She mimes a mask on Her mouth – ed) from infections. But a psychologist does not know how he is harmed. Even if we live with a mad person, or if you go to a lunatic asylum, you catch from that people. That’s how your left side gets caught up and you find that left side starts working in such a manner that you develop all left side problems. Left side problems are depression, epilepsy - leading to all kinds of modern pressures as they call it, guilt, and diffidence, suicide, could be lunacy, all those things come from your left side – and last of all cancer. Cancer is caused by the left side problem and not by the right side problem. Actually, as a reaction of the right side, if you are too active - you are too active, all the time you are thinking, because this center does another very important work. It changes, transforms your fat into the cells for the use of your brain which, which is using it for thinking. So it goes into tremendous action when you start planning. I mean, here I have seen people plan too much. Till they say “All set”. You see, you start from the home: they start planning. There is no need to plan, I don’t understand, what is the need to plan to that extent. I mean, you are going on the road, there’s no need to plan at all! You have to work it out at the present moment. For example supposing I have to book a ticket: then that is done, to be done today. Then what is the planning? “That on the eighth I will book…”. What is the need to say that beforehand, I mean, when it will come to eighth you book it. But they go on like this and ultimately all plans fail (She laughs), everything fails. You go to a place for example you don’t know. If you say, “Alright, we’ll go to the right”. But the maybe there is no road on the right, so are you going to fall into the ditch because you have planned it beforehand that “I will go to the right”? (Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs). See, you must leave it open! And the same about Kundalini, because the, when the Kundalini rises, it’s like a car that has started – it moves, it moves, it moves – supposing it has stopped here (She indicates Nabhi on chakra chart – ed). And somebody gives you a mantra for this one (She indicates Agnya on chakra chart – ed). You’ll spoil this one (Agnya) as well as this is already spoilt (Nabhi). So you’ll have a double problem, because you are saying mantra with this one (She touches Vishuddhi). Of course any mantra you say you spoil this (She touches Vishuddhi) in any case. Apart from that, you have no connection, nothing, you are not yet realized souls, and you are taking somebody’s name like that. For example Rama’s mantra, is Rama is here (She indicates right heart on chakra chart – ed). Many people say Rama’s mantra and they have a problem with this, they can get asthma – physically. “Ah, I’m saying Rama’s mantra but I have got asthma” (Shri Mataji says this last sentence panting as an asthma patient, laughter – ed). What else, I mean, you must get it. If you, if you have asthma I’ll ask you, “Did you say Rama’s mantra in India?”. Absolutely it goes hand in hand, because Rama is stationed here. Alright? Now, if you have to take His name, there should be some protocol. What is your authority? Why are you taking Rama’s name? Supposing I start taking the name of your President, in his house go there and start shouting “Oh President, President”, whatever his name is, I start shouting his name. I’ll be arrested or not? Or maybe, maybe at that time when you are shouting Rama’s name, maybe some servant with the name of Rama who has died, will think that “There’s a call for me”, may come and enter into your being. Mostly it happens, because you have no connection with Rama Himself. With Shri Rama you have no connection. So, some Rama who is working in your house and has died, or someone like that thing, or maybe around somewhere in the atmosphere these busybodies, anybody can enter into you and you can get possessed and you can get this asthma. This right side problem is very common with people who are suffering from this trouble. And this trouble comes to you because you try to be very individualistic. Like, if you are married you don’t want to create good relationships… Can you ask him to go down, he is distracting everyone. Alright? Can you ask him to come to the, to the - tomorrow, day-after-tomorrow to our place, where I will treat him. Alright? He can sit there also. Alright? I’ll cure him tomorrow. Or after the program I’ll try. It’s moving, the thing is moving in him, you see, from places to places, and one has to take to it. There are so many here, I’ve seen so many, such strange people I’ve met on the street, such strange people. There are so many, I mean, if you, I don’t know what is the percentage of lunatics in this country, but schizophrenic and all sorts of people, I mean you can’t say, I mean – just see, every third person I came across has some sort of a funny thing going on in his head. I said, “Now what is it – this is the country which is invaded the most by these negative forces. And if you are going to be destroyed, you are going to be destroyed from inside, not from outside. You will not be destroyed from outside. Take it from Me. You’ll be destroyed from inside. And that you can see what’s happening, all kinds of destructive forces are working it out. And the worst of all, these horrible gurus who have come from India. You people had invasion on India. English had their political invasion, you had your monetary invasion on India. So all these horrible people are having a mental invasion on you – you are not aware of it. It’s a mental invasion on you. Very subtle mental invasion which you cannot discern – you are enslaved, as we were enslaved by you for money. You see, for wheat, if they send horrible wheat to India, Americans used to say “Eh, oh, we have been very gracious”. And the wheat was so horrible that we could not eat. We threw it on the grounds, imagine, we threw it on the grounds and horrible types of – what you call – acacia plants grew. We cannot destroy them. And then another type of grass which we called as Congress grass, you see – because it came from America we called it Congress grass – grew all over and it covered all over crops and everything. And we, we didn’t know why were you so kind to us to send all these things. Somehow it was destroyed then, this grass, but still this horrible acacia is covering all the villages in India, people are having a terrible time, they are poisonous; and if they hit you, you see, you are killed. And children play around – it’s a very dangerous thing. I mean, if they wanted to send wheat, that should have been something more gracious than what they have been doing. This is how you have been very, very unpopular all over the world. Whenever you try to help anyone, you think, “Oh, you are doing too much”. While India has helped you so many ways. First of all it has helped you when you had wars, we sent Indian troops and all that all over – we never tried to show anything like that. You see, it is surprising how these developed nations are so ego-oriented. So ego-oriented, I mean, so many things they have done that I cannot understand how human beings are not afraid of God and His wrath that can come on us. We have oppressed all the people who are already oppressed, we have tried to really crash them down. Now it is time for you people who are born in this country, who are special people born – you are very, very special, in America we have the maximum number of crazy, you would not know; it is for you to rise above all these nonsensical things and get over it. And join your hands in solving the problems of these worldly things which has really oppressed the whole universe. And I really dependent very much on you people. I came nine years back, but I found that the aggression is still bubbling in, they cannot see things; and that’s how these gurus take advantage of it. They took advantage of it, they came here: “Alright, you have got money? Pamper your ego, you can purchase us”. They pampered your ego, you thought you can pay for them, you paid for them: but what did you get out of it? Is nothing but all these horrible things out of which it is very difficult to get out. Apart from that, many might have lost their chances of Self-realization. You are absolutely special people to be born – you have taken birth in this country with a very, very special purpose. Because I told you that you are born in this place (points at Vishuddhi on chakra chart – ed), this is America. What a place it is. I mean, you had great people like Abraham Lincoln, great people like him, what a man he was, you had. You have forgotten him completely, his ideals and things, I mean, what a man is Abraham Lincoln. I mean, if I read about anyone in the beginning was Abraham Lincoln, I said “Look at him”. He was a realized soul! His ideals and all that are gone off. Now it is for you to establish. For what you (have?) to, for what God has created this America, this chakra of Vishuddhi. And this is what is starting from here (points at Nabhi on chakra chart – ed) that you rise up to there. The connection is that this seeking (points at Nabhi on chakra chart – ed) goes in developing (points at Void on chakra chart – ed) and there are ten principles which are described as the Ten Commandments, you can say, or we have got ten Sutras, in Sanskrit language they are called as ten Sutras. Gandhiji put one more, by saying that we should use only Indian, Indian things, not foreign things, because then they will dominate us. So he put ekadasha, he put one more. But there are ten, which are here, which are described as Ten Commandments in the Bible. And these are the ten Primordial Masters (She touches the Void on the chart) who were born on this earth. Say we can start from Socrates, then we can think of other, in India was Dattatreya, is the – Dattatreya is the essence. And He is born as Socrates. He is born as Lao-Tse. He is born as Abraham. As Moses. He is born as – up till now we can say Mohammed Sahib, Nanaka. Latest is the Sai Nath of Shirdi. He’s the One who represents, they all represent this Primordial Master’s principle of religion. Religion means the one that sustains us. These ten are our sustenance, is we can say our valences, is our quality. Like this gold has a quality that it is untarnishable, in the same way human beings have these ten qualities in them. For a dog doesn’t know what is truth and what is untruth. Dog doesn’t know what is, what is violence and non-violence. Is the human being who knows these ten things. And these are the qualities, ten qualities which are sustained by the Primordial Master who is Dattatreya, who has incarnated on this earth basically ten times, but there are so many upa-gurus as they call, the subsequent gurus, also who are realized souls. Now. At the time of Christ, John the Baptist. I mean, he was a real Baptist, he was not an untrue Baptist, he was a realized soul. Nowadays everybody’s a Baptist, without being the real Baptist. You have to be the real Baptist – when you are a realized soul, only then you are a real Baptist, not before that. And this special thing (points at Void on the chart – ed) called as the Primordial Master, is also within you. You can become your own Guru. Your Guru Principle is to be awakened. If the Kundalini awakens your Guru Principle, you become the Guru. You have to become your own Guru. On the left side is the diffidence that you cannot be a Guru. On the right side is the arrogance. And that’s how sometimes we, we subject ourselves to others, saying that “You are my guru”. And here we are arrogant – when we see a real Guru, we deny it. So these two sides are to be seen, and once you work it out… For example, this gentleman who was here has a left side. Is the diffidence in him. (Please, come in. Eh? Alright. May God bless you. Alright.) So left side is the one that gives you that diffidence and you subject yourself to other gurus. And you can see it on your left side Void, this is the Void (points at Void on left hand, ed). You can feel it on the left side Void a burning sensation. And this is a sign that you have been to some guru who has been wrong - who is not a realized soul, who is a wrong type of man. Immediately you can make out from the person whether he has been to a right type of a guru or a bad type. If you have been to the right type, you get your realization just like that. You are just ready for it. He doesn’t spoil your chakras, nothing. He doesn’t give you false ideas. And you are just ready; but he has done very great work is to establish this part (Void – ed) in your stomach. That’s why Moses, Abraham, all of them talked about alcoholism, about these things, because alcohol spoils the liver. Christ did not. He was born at that time (points at Agnya on the chart – ed), so He talked about the eyes. He talked about the realization. He talked about the Gate, the Door. And that’s why He said you must get your resurrection. So the different aspects came at different time, and this aspect of the Primordial Master which was Moses, you can say, Abraham, and other people of the same type, they came to establish balance and dharma within us. Here they have not shown two other subsidiary chakras. One is the chakra of the sun (indicates aspect of Nabhi on the right channel) and another is of the moon (indicates aspect of Nabhi on the left channel). This is the moon line (left channel) and this is the sun line (right channel). Now this center they should have shown here (indicates aspect of Nabhi on the right channel) I think, which means that when you are on the sun line, you become right handed. Right handed means you are more projecting towards the future, you are thinking too much, or you are putting too much attention to your physical being. And not to your Spirit. Not to your emotional self. Now, when you start getting to the asceticism, and all sorts of nonsense like that, become an ascetic, give up this, give up that, give up that – and you give up actually your brain, nothing else – you become a thin person, you start moving like this (She indicates movement from the central channel to the right side of Void) and develop a horrible liver. You see? this liver may extend up to this (indicates Void on right hand side up to its extreme limit). Now, liver is one of the, one of the very, very special organs we have got within ourselves. I mean, you would not know if you have a bad liver till you get to cirrhosis. When they will say that: “Now, last time has come, you are in for your funeral”. That’s what it is. Liver is like that, it goes on getting bad, bad, bad till you do not know. But in Sahaja Yoga immediately you will know you have a liver problem. And you will also know how to cure it. And liver is responsible for our attention, which is so important. If your liver is not alright, your attention will be horrid, all the time you’ll be feeling sick, frustrated, embittered, you won’t like this, you won’t like that – sort of a person, always annoyed, and you will not know “why I do like this, I don’t want to do it, but why am I doing like that”. So this is the one one has to look after. But when you think too much, as I told you, this center of Swadishtana, which is bestowed upon by Brahmadeva, who is the Creator, works too hard, and it has no time to look after the other things like the liver, the pancreas, the spleen, the kidneys, and the uterus. So these things get completely neglected, and that’s how the people who think too much always get diabetes. In Sahaja Yoga diabetes is curable. Hemiplegia and all those things, and anemia and all these things are the cause of the same thing. Such people can become so very dry, really very dry because their left side goes absolutely out of order, it’s sleeping. They become emotionless. I’ve known people they came to tell Me, “Mother, I have no emotions now, I have become a great saint, I have no emotions.” Who has told you? I mean, a saint has such emotions you can’t imagine. It’s such a, such a feeling! I mean, if somebody says that he is a saint and he has no emotions, you throw him in the sea. He is good for nothing. A person who has no emotions is not a human being, he is worse than an animal. And if you see a saint, the difference is only this: that if you feel pained, then you start weeping and becoming emotional. But a saint is the other way round. When he sees others in pain, then the compassion fills him completely. When he sees others in trouble, when he sees others drowning, then the compassion starts flowing from his eyes, and you can see the compassion from those eyes, absolutely the same terrific eyes become so compassionate that you are surprised that how this love is flowing. And at the same time he can take a hunter in his hand and hit people; at the same time he can be very wrathful with people who try to destroy the saints, he can be extremely wrathful, and he can be very, very, very, very dynamic. He can be anything; but he uses it for the purpose of one thing: is to save the saints and to make them the Spirit. His only concern is how to make them the Spirit, and for that how to save them. For that, whatever has to do – sometimes it can act like a tigress, just jump on people who try to be injurious, or try to be sort of harmful to the children of the tigress. Or it can become so mild, so mild: I don’t know if you have seen a crocodile giving bath to her children. Her eyes become absolutely so mild, imagine. It’s like that. That love you start seeing in a person who is a saint and who becomes a realized soul, that he feels for others. Not for himself. He is not bothered! Comforts do not matter - where you sit, what you need, “I must have this food”: that all nonsense, never comes in the mind. What matters is: “Oh God, what’s happening to these people, these are my children! They are seekers, they are saints, they have been seeking for thousands of years. How am I to save them?”. And such people who are dry they end up in heart attacks, and another is paralysis. I mean, you should never have sympathies for people who have heart troubles. Tell them to be more loving. Spend some time with your wife. Spend some time with your children. You see, mostly these busy people are those who are at the helm of affairs, who think that the whole world will be drowned without them. Actually with them it may be drowned, I don’t know about that part. Such very busy people, you see, who have no time to waste in their family and who are holding the banner of some sort of a great thing so-called - they always get heart attacks and die. If they are not shot off, they are – they get their own heart attacks and die. They get - can get even epilepsy, but it’s not actually the epilepsy - it looks like epilepsy but it is a kind of a failure of the part of the head which is on this, the ego side. And a person can get paralyzed or he may become absolutely without any sensation in his body. These people, till they die they are very alert, their brain is very alert, despite the fact they have used their brain. Actually the nature is very balanced; they have used their brain, with their brain only they have achieved whatever they wanted to, but their brain is alert, but their heart goes out, the balance comes in. But if you have used your heart too much, the left side as it is, too much of crying and weeping and this and that and all that, you become - on the contrary your heart going out, your brain goes out. The balance is established. It’s surprising, that people said that in the mental hospital no use having a cardiogram. There’s no need because you don’t need it. Their heart is perfect. While they use their heart all the time, the brain goes out. And you become a brainless person or a gaga person, I don’t know all sorts of things that people get. So one has to understand that a balance is brought about by this position (She indicates central path at the level of Void-Nabhi), and that’s why Buddha has said “Keep in the center. Do not go to extremes”. When you go into extremes, this moves in the periphery (She points at periphery of Void). Supposing you are a thinker and you plan everything and you are meticulous, and this and that, you are thrown out of the way (She points finger from central Void-Nabhi towards Void periphery on right hand side). Now, the extreme thing of this could create a very egoistical supra-conscious spirit in you. The one who we can cite was Mr. Hitler. Mr. Hitler was nothing else but a person who lived in the collective supra-conscious (Shri Mataji indicates an area parallel to the right side but further off the center). And he charmed people by his collective consciousness – (She corrects Herself) – collective supra-consciousness. What he did is to talk so big and so nonsensical things, if you read his lectures you’ll be amazed, that he said that: “We are the Germans, we are the special race, we are this and we should kill all these people”, and people believed it! It was just a possession, a collective possession. I mean, if you talk to those Germans now, I read some articles written by them, really they can’t understand, they said, “We were young people, we were studying, we were students, we were very good people, and suddenly all this came up to us and he built us up as some sort of a martyr and all that, and we took to it”. He made it such a big religious stuff, I mean, a fanatic thing in their head, that they accepted it. This is the extreme case of fanaticism. All the fanatics are on this side. All of them are on this side. Any fanaticism I am facing. Keep away from them. They are headaches, they are bores, numbering bores. You just can’t talk to them. All the fanatics of the world if they were bores it’s all right, but they go much beyond that. Like you see Khomeini’s there. He is a good example of fanaticism. And what - I’m happy that Americans had a little experience of these fanatics. All fanatics catch all these people. These so-called Lutherans, and the so-called Pentecostal, they are nothing but they are all possessed people – specially the Pentecostals are possessed, can’t you see them? They are recluses, they are useless people, they are wasting themselves. All the spiritualists and all these people - they could be right-sided or left-sided. LSD takes you to the right side, because you start seeing the lights and all those hallucinations which are of the supra-conscious. Left-sided people who are there, they get into – they are all the time crying, weeping, diffident, sly type, intriguers, they are on the left hand side. But if you move too much on this side then you can also get possessed. You can get very badly possessed and this one, this movement is very painful. Is painful to the person. Because they aggress on the person. But if you have this kind, this type of movement on the right hand side, then you aggress others. Because this is done with the ego and this is done with the superego. So the person who has a left side problem is better in the society because he troubles himself, and he needs his own cure, and he is not a problem. But a person who is a egoist is such a problem that he doesn’t see, he doesn’t feel the pain of others and he gives pain to others. He talks in such a way that he hurts, and he has a very bad right Vishuddhi, and everything he does, all aggressiveness, all war and all these things are a right-sided man. And such a man can become very successful like Hitler, but ultimately he meets his doom and nobody respects such a person ultimately. See, everything afterwards in history tells about the dirty things he was doing, the sly things he was doing, or the bad things he was doing, how many he has killed, what he did – everything comes out in history and he is just put into the light of history, and you start seeing that this man, who was supposed to be so successful, “Oh, God, we do not want to know him (Shri Mataji plugs Her ears) ”. One of the sahaja yogis came to Me, he told Me – he’s a French – he said, “Mother, please tell me if I was Napoleon. If I was don’t tell me, because then I will die”. I said, “Why?”. He said, “I feel that I’m very egoistical, after Realization I find my ego is like this and I topple like that, and I can draw very well, and he used to draw. So if I was Napoleon don’t tell me, if I was don’t tell me, I will really commit suicide”. And in French, in French people if you call somebody a Napoleon, it’s a, it’s an abuse, you can imagine, Napoleon the great is being used as an abuse. So this is the thing that one has to understand, that ego-oriented person is over-disciplined, may be military-like, he may not drink, smoke, you see, he may walk straight like a stick. But he is old. The other one might be indulging into all such things and he might be drinking too much, and all the drunkards you find are on the left hand side. Poor things they start with a small thing. When they start it with a small thing they are driven onto this extreme, then they get caught up. Alcoholics are really, not that they drink, there’s some spirit in them that drinks. I met last time a lady from Cuba, she was a petite woman, small, thin woman, and her husband came and told Me that she can take one whisky bottle neat! I said: “This little woman, how does she do it?!”. He said: “She does!”. And I asked her and she said: “Yes, Mother, I do”. I put her a bandhan and I found a horrible big personality in her. Horrible, tall, very hefty person. He said, “Mother, did you see that one?”. I said: “Yes, I did”. She said, “It is he who drinks, and I’m blamed”. She could see him also. Such people who are on the left side can see the spirits and the things walking in, and they get all kinds of ESP experiences, and “I get a hunch” and all sorts of things – is little movement that side. And the right-sided people also can have such hunches as to what to do tomorrow, and how to do it, and what will happen, they get all kinds of hunches. There are people who are getting photographs of the people, such people – one gentleman showed Me some photographs which in an organization in (…). It’s a lady, she showed Me it’s taking out the photographs of all the horrible kings of England. As if they were dead, with their faces… it was surprising! It was surprising. And now thank God that organization is not getting any information, but it was a horrible thing, and if you keep these photographs in your house you also get bad vibrations, you might get their spirits coming into you. In BBC the other day we saw a film where a man was possessed by a spirit of Van Gogh. I hope you know him, Van Gogh is the painter who paints in one line many colors like that, you see? And this fellow was doing - actually I mean, we saw that with our own eyes – was painting just like Van Gogh. And he said that, “Van Gogh is doing this to me”. So all such things happen when you are on the left side – could be on the right side, for some artist may be on the right side. But this you can only find out with vibrations, which side you are possessed. Now I’ve told you why we have to have dharma, why we have to have Ten Commandments, why we should be in our sustenance, so that we keep to the middle path of Sushumna, this center path of our evolution, and not to deviate too much to this side (right side) and not to deviate too much to that side (left side). That’s the reason we had to have religions. But all religions have become fanatics. They are fanatics. So they are good for nothing, useless people. Absolutely on the contrary they have created so many sects and so many fightings that one can’t understand. Now, these great Incarnations have come on this earth, they all have come as one aspect. Christ has said “Those who are not against Me - with Me”. Who are those who are not against Him? See, you didn’t even allow Him to talk! He had to fight for every-day life! Same thing you did to Mohammed Sahib, the same thing you did to all the saints who came on this earth. It’s not only Christ, you see the life of Socrates. You see the life of everyone who was like this, we had Sai Nath in India, was only hundred years back he must have died, only hundred years back. But if you see His life was a struggle! Nobody would listen to Him. At least there are some people here to listen to Me, but Sai Nath had about three or four disciples, that’s all. That is the sign that I must be a true Teacher, because if you have too much that means you are all mesmerized, and thousands, fifty-thousand people are sitting there and somebody is throwing a red colour through a cannon and they are “ah!”, like mad. Is this God’s Realization? Is this spirituality? You are not to be mad people. You have to be aware, and specially alert. You become really aware, which is enlightened, your awareness has to be enlightened, you have to become that. Not to be like sheep, go there into any place, taken away anywhere – no, not that. So we have to awaken ourselves. We have to brighten ourselves and understand our responsibility. And we have to know that we are saints, we have come here to become our Spirits, and the responsibility is very much great on the people of America. American saints have the greatest responsibility, though Sahaja Yoga has prospered so much in Australia. Most surprising. You condemned them as criminals, they went down there, they had children, grand-children, and they have much less ego, much more wisdom, and that is the center of Mooladhara. That is the first center. Australia is the first center. And people are so wise, you won’t believe. I mean, there was not even a single seat left when I went there, and thousands of people, the media was so sensible and so wise, and - I mean, there are seven cities and all the seven cities have got centers in Sahaja Yoga. Just like villagers in India; they are so wise. As villagers in India are wise, they are that wise. And I don’t know what to say: the persons who are supposed to be the complete wisdom here (points at Vishuddhi on chakra chart – ed) at this point, to be the witness, to be the sixteens – can you see here [points at Vishuddhi on chakra chart – ed], sub-sixteen, and I’ll talk about it next time, because I’ve told you about this center of Rama and then I’ll tell you about all these centers tomorrow, and above also. Thank you very much. May God bless you. Now, if you have any questions, you ask Me. Warren: Do you have any questions? Shri Mataji: Now. It’s alright. Now can I take out these fixations? (Microphone fixed on Her – ed). See now. Bugging, you see? Warren: Yes. American special. (Shri Mataji says laughing: “I’m learning some words! Now address the questions to Me”. Warren says to somebody: “Yes. Just stand up and speak up”. A seeker asks a question). Seeker: Why do some people lean more to the left side and others to the right side? Shri Mataji: What’s it? Warren repeats: Why do some lean more to the left side and others lean more to the right side? Seeker: And some even in the center? Warren repeats: And some in the center? Seeker: Is there a karmic patent or…? Warren: Is there a karmic patent, he says? Shri Mataji: There is, you see, we are made of three gunas. And the permutations and combinations are there of these three gunas. Alright? And those who are tamo gunis, more desires they have, the more sort of emotional they are, they are on the left side. Those who are ambitious, are on the right side. And those who are wiser are in the center. So it’s a temperament with which you are born. It has many reasons. It’s the background, it’s the things you have come out of it, and what was your education, how were your parents – I mean, so many things work it out, the personality. And these three gunas, tamo, rajo and sattwa gunas, these three qualities within us, work out permutations and combinations of all the people. And that’s how we have different type of people. And according to their style they move to one side or another. Alright? I will be talking about that also maybe if I have time, about tamo guna, rajo guna and sattwa guna. (Lady seeker asks a question …“by balancing out of the sides”…) Shri Mataji: What’s she saying? Warren repeats: Can you help people who are mentally sick, by balancing these two sides? Shri Mataji: Of course! I have helped. And you have to help them. Lady seeker: Yes. I’m schizophrenic, that’s why I’m asking. Warren: Schizophrenia? Shri Mataji: Of course. No doubt. But I hope the Americans won’t put Me in jail for saving these people! (Laughter) My husband told Me, “Don’t touch anyone otherwise you’ll be in jail”. Of course I can. No doubt. Lady seeker: Could I learn it? Shri Mataji: What’s it? Warren: Can she learn? Lady seeker: Could I learn? Warren: Can she learn it? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, why not? You can. But first of all you get well. You have to be much stronger. You must learn all the ways and methods. Then you can of course, why not? Even My photograph does that (She laughs). See, you don’t have to worry, you can use My photograph. If they don’t arrest Me for the photograph, it’s alright (laughter). They told Me you have to be a lawyer in this country to exist, I don’t know what (is that? – Barely audible) (laughter). Warren: Yes? Shri Mataji: Yes? Seeker: Did She have a teacher? Warren repeats: Did You have a teacher? (Laughter. Shri Mataji smiles) Shri Mataji: No. Seeker: No? [Shri Mataji shakes Her head.] (Somebody is heard muttering something like: “You hadn’t any teacher…” and goes on muttering) Warren: Any other questions? Shri Mataji: I’m born like this. I’m ancient. Antique. (laughter, She laughs) (The man from the public continues muttering) Warren: Do you mind not disturbing please. Shri Mataji: Loudly. Whatever you say, say it loudly. Warren: Please, don’t disturb. If you’ve got a question specifically ask it, but don’t disturb. Shri Mataji: What did he say? Warren: He is just mumbling. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. You say it loudly, what did you say? (The person keeps talking lowly) Warren: No, no, he’s… Shri Mataji: What? Why? Yogi: He is a drunk. Warren: He is drunk, Mother. Shri Mataji: Is he? Warren: Hm. Any other questions? Yes. A seeker: When everybody leaves, will we be able to continue in New York? Warren repeats: When You leave, will they still be able to continue in New York and can learn how to grow? Shri Mataji: Yes. You see, we have got somebody – Hermann has not come today, I don’t know – where is he gone, Hermann? (Warren: “He is working today”) He is working today. And he has offered his place for working Sahaja Yoga. We – actually, you see, we have imported people from London, who do not have houses here, and also he is from Australia. But Hermann said that he can offer his residence for the use of Sahaja Yoga to begin with, you see, because we don’t take any money, and you have to organize it yourself. And we have got here Christine, who is a very old Sahaja Yogini, and she can work it out. We have some other people also, who may be coming and going from Philadelphia, and you people could be here – I’ll also come back again if you call Me. Next year maybe. We all can go to India also. We are going to go to India…when? (Warren: “In…” Shri Mataji: “Eh?” Warren: “… December”) December. If you people want to come to India, we can take you down to India also, in December; and we will have a program of about - how many days? Warren: About forty-five – fifty days. Shri Mataji: About of forty-five – fifty days, we’ll be passing through villages and all that, and that’s you mix up with other people, and learn about Sahaj Yog, is a very good way of learning about Sahaj Yog, you see, where you learn how to give Realization, and imbibe things, and it’s very good way. If you want you can come along and it is going to be quite cheap for you, only you have to pay for your food and for your travelling, that’s all, and food will be very cheaply arranged; and very good food, we can arrange that. And this time - last time they paid three pounds per day, this time they are going to pay four pounds per day. And everything can be done, we’ll go to different villages, and stay there and organize it. It’s not going to be any money-making proposition or anything, it’s a thing by which you go into simpler places and learn about Sahaj Yog. It’s better, because here, you see, it’s very quiet in this place, I feel, but otherwise in New York you have such a horrible, this signaling business, you know? And all the sounds - and the atmosphere is so much filled with funny sounds all over, and it’s horrifying. Warren: Mother, a lot of people have asked about the practices, how they learn the practices for Sahaja Yoga, the various things they can do, that they have to do. And I think they should all know that you just come along to the group, after Mother’s gone, and you’ll learn all these things. I too wanted to know how to do it, as soon as I got my realization. Sometimes you are a little too keen to know… Shri Mataji: But you can tell them how to give first of all protection to your aura. This gentleman told Me that his aura was - did get disturbed, it’s true, your aura gets disturbed. So you get first of all a method of first of all protecting your auras. And how to raise your Kundalini. This method I will teach you today. Alright? After realization. What else? Warren: Yes. (A seeker asks one question: “When She talked of saving the creation… (Indistinct) Does She mean that the creation is lost?”) Warren: The creation? (Seeker: “She said of saving the creation”.) Yes, I heard the first part. Does She mean… (Seeker: “That the creation is lost, or…”- indistinct) (Warren repeats to Shri Mataji:) You spoke of saving the creation. He is asking, do You consider that the creation is lost? Shri Mataji: May be, may be lost. It’s not yet lost but may be lost. You see, creation, the epitome of creation is you, is the human beings. Alright? If you are not saved, the creation is lost. You are to be saved. And God has to save it, it is His own creation. You are His creation. And He has to save it. (To Warren:) I mean, how did a drunkard come in? Warren (to a seeker): Yes. (A seeker asks a question) Warren: Say again. Seeker: Does She consider the creation something apart from God? Or is the creation also God or what is it? (Warren repeats:) Do You consider the creation something apart from God? Or is it also God or what is it? Shri Mataji (laughing): Accha, now, you see, this is a subject which I have to deal with, alright? What is creation, what is God, how He created you, how we became human beings, it’s a big subject. And it’s to be handled sometime and you are to be told all about it. And I cannot just answer it in five minutes. But I will, it’s a good question and should come to you. But before knowing all these things and details about it, is better you get your light. Once you have your light, gradually you start understanding it. Alright? Warren: Yes? Seeker: What is the meaning of Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Sahaja. Saha means with – ja means born. Is born with you, spontaneous. Sahaja means spontaneous. Whatever is living is spontaneous. You see, whatever happens spontaneously – we don’t understand the word of spontaneous also. Means a living, living expression, living manifestation is spontaneous, Sahaja. Is born with you. But today Sahaja has gone into the stage called as Maha-Yoga. Means it has become a en-masse. It works en-masse. Before it used to work in one person, two persons, you see – like one flower becoming a fruit in the beginning of the tree. But today the situation is such that thousands can get realization. It’s Maha-Yoga. Sahaja Yoga has matured into Maha-Yoga. Maha means the great. (Aside to Warren): I hope he is back – I hope he doesn’t do something to Arneau. Warren: No, the caretaker is outside. Shri Mataji: Eh? Warren: The caretaker is outside. Shri Mataji: And where is Arneau? Is he back? Warren: Arneau is back, yes. Shri Mataji: Ah, but don’t deal with these people, you know. Drunkards I don’t know what sort of people they are. Warren: Any other question? Shri Mataji: Better ask the caretaker. You just don’t deal with them. How do you know he is a drunkard? Warren: The way he was behaving (Shri Mataji says something which sounds like: “I see”). His muttering and (Shri Mataji says something which sounds like: “Oh, I see”) – you could smell him. Shri Mataji: Even from here? (Laughter) Warren: Yes. Tremendous. (Laughter) Any other questions? Shri Mataji: Now, come along. Warren: Now he is telling the caretaker. Shri Mataji: Ah. Warren: Yes. (Seeker asks: “How do salt and sugar fit in?”. Warren repeats:) Where do salt and sugar fit into (them? - Unclear)? Shri Mataji: (She laughs) Into the stomach! (Laughter) Into the Void. Christ has said “you are the salt”, you see? You are the salt. Left side (Shri Mataji stands up, probably to go to the chakra chart). (End of video recording)

Public Program 5, New York (USA), September 28th, 1981 Yesterday I gave you the history of the seeking of human beings, how in three different lines we have been seeking. The first one as I told you on the right-hand side, where they were doing something about exciting or awakening the deities of the elements, more in Greece and all these places they did these things, much more than they did in India. Also in India we had the Vedas, in the Vedas whatever they did was just to excite or you can say awaken the deities of the five elements. I think you all know what these five elements are, I need not tell about them. So this side that we see here is the power of action which enacts through five elements. This side is the power as I told you, is the power of desire, which is a power by which you are emotional. This emotional power is active as a desire power, and this power that is there which is the Kundalini, is the desire to be one with your Spirit, which is not yet manifested, that’s why it’s a sleeping power, and called as a residual power. Because it has created the whole universe that is you, and still is residual. In the center we have another power, by which we have evolved from our amoeba stage to this stage, whatever we have achieved is in our central nervous system. So we have another system which is the achievement through our evolution, that is called as central nervous system. Whatever is in our central nervous system, is the consciousness, is the present. So the right-side one, as you see here and the left-hand side one, are also two sympathetic nervous systems: this is the left sympathetic nervous system, this is the right sympathetic nervous system. But as you are seeing here, it is a subtle – subtle body, and in the gross we can say this is the left sympathetic nervous system, this is the right sympathetic nervous system, and this is the parasympathetic nervous system, and the central nervous system we have not shown here. Whatever you achieve as a human being is perhaps not properly understood also. Now you see, if you put an animal in a dirty place, he doesn’t know what is dirty, he doesn’t smell anything awful, he doesn’t think it’s something wrong, it can walk into any place. While for a human being it is unbearable. The achievement of our awareness as a human being is there, but is not complete. Is not full. It has not reached its maximum, or optimum, or we can say it has not got yet its own purpose. It has not reached its absolute value. And that’s why we are in a confusion. The another problem is that when the man raised his head here, these two powers started working within him, creating two big institutions called ego and superego. And these institutions became like balloons and they met on top of the head here, near the fontanel bone area, say about twelve years of age the whole thing gets calcified. And when it is calcified, you become the egg, you become separated, you develop your I-ness. Before that you are not. Now, an animal doesn’t have a problem of ego. I mean, he doesn’t have many problems, for example he won’t be bothered if your dollar has a problem. He won’t understand about insurances. He won’t understand so many problems that we have created for ourselves. But he doesn’t have the possibility, he doesn’t have the possibility to get realization in the first place, and another possibility that once he gets realization to know his Spirit. Many people have asked Me: “What about animals?”. I said: “Animals cannot get realization”. They cannot. Even, say, if there’s an animal if you vibrate that, he may carry the vibrations. Even this chair can carry the vibrations. Even these flowers can carry the vibrations. They can have vibrations, but they are not aware of them. This difference we must understand very clearly, that they are not aware. That’s why the people who have found out certain places as the places of worship, places of adoration, they are the people who are seers, who were realized souls, and they could feel the vibrations in that particular place, and that’s how they selected those places for worship and other things. Now for example I went to Kashmir once, with My husband, and we were going in the car, and suddenly I felt tremendous vibrations in the air. Cool vibrations. And I told My driver, I said, “There must be some temple or something here”. He said: “There’s no temple, it’s absolutely a place which is forlorn”. But I said: “Must be about 2-3 miles a-here there must be some place of worship of someone”. “Oh – he said – there is one”, I said: “Which one?”. “It’s called as Hazratbal”, that is one hair of Mohammed Sahib is kept there. And people go to that place. Now, so many Muslims go to that place, they don’t know why they go. Some pir, some realized soul, must have told that this is a hair of Mohammed Sahib and that’s why there are vibrations, so that hair is kept there. They have fought over it, and done all kinds of things, but they don’t know what they are doing. So when I went there I saw lots of people were there, and they wouldn’t allow us to go in because we were not Muslims according to them (Shri Mataji laughs), but sitting down there I could feel the vibrations of Mohammed Sahib – only one hair of Mohammed Sahib. So you can imagine how powerful these vibrations are. Now, when we say that we should not worship – in the Bible it is written that you should not worship anything that is reproduced and created by the Mother Earth and the heavens. Now what is it, what is it created by the Mother Earth and by the heavens, which we should not reproduce? This nobody tries to find out, they think that you are not allowed to worship any form. It’s all misinterpretation; it’s completely misinterpretation. I’ll tell you, there is in Paris a church called as – what is it called, Gavin? – [Gavin: “Notre Dame”] Notre Dame. And the - and the statue of Mary and Christ is so vibrating, from outside you can see the vibrations are coming out. Now, this must have been made by some very great artist who was a realized soul. For example, the Sistine Chapel in Rome has got a very beautiful frescos of Christ and all that; and if you see that Christ, I mean, it’s absolutely vibrating. But down below there is a big table on which they have put Christ just bones, miserable creature, which is nowhere near Christ, I mean, it’s impossible that Christ could be like that, so miserable, ugly-looking, thin, worn out, hopeless case. How can he be Christ, I can’t understand! He carried a complete huge big cross upon Himself – do you think these bones could have carried? And this was placed just below where in Sistine Chapel you find the Christ standing as He was. How can it be? You must understand! And all these miserable things have led to such problems, because people think that if you are seeking, you should look the most miserable person. If you are a realized soul you should be skeleton. It’s impossible to explain to them that how can it be? A person who is a realized soul never suffers. He never suffers. The other day – I’m covering this subject before coming to the chakras, because in these few days, what I have gathered is that very absurd ideas are crawling upon here in America, where people start saying that Buddha said that you must suffer. How can He say like that? It’s illogical. Impossible. How can He say that you should suffer? Because, when He saw suffering - you know the story: when He went out, He saw an old man, He saw a sick man, He saw a dead man. And the idea came into His head that “Why are they suffering?”. And then He said: “It is because they are ignorant, they should be enlightened, there should be enlightenment”. And then He went round and searched and searched and ultimately He was tired. He was sitting down under a banyan tree, when He received His enlightenment, spontaneously. How can He say that you must suffer? The another myth among Christians is that you must suffer. Why should you suffer? Because Christ has suffered for you, isn’t it? Has He suffered or not? If He has suffered for you, then why should you suffer any more? Or has He left something for you to be done? Was He incomplete in His suffering? Did you want Him to suffer more? Actually, this suffering business is the greatest nonsense that I have ever heard. The another side of the Christ is the Jews. They said that if you accept Christ – I mean, they were in a way correct, that if you accept Christ then you will have to say that you have no suffering. So don’t accept Christ. If you don’t accept Christ then “we must suffer”. Alright. So you suffer. And they suffered in Germany you know how they suffered. Now they have become ego-oriented, they are on the other side, now the shoe is on the other leg. All these mythical ideas about God, His incarnations, His aspects, is so man-made that it has become plastic, absolutely plastic, and I don’t know how you are going to destroy this plastic from the human brain. Is absolutely impossible to convince them that suffering has nothing to do with realized souls. Actually, suffering is there when you are lost in a tempest, in the water, you are worried about getting engulfed. But if you are put on the boat will you feel the suffering? If you are a Christian, if you are a realized soul, you are - if you are really baptized – really, not by just putting your hand, and “I baptize you, so-and-so, in the name of this and that”: that has no meaning at all, it’s just a drama! You dress up well, take the little baby there, she is dressed well and nobody knows anything what’s happening, and they just put the hand – and you just accept it! This kind of baptism of course not. But the real baptism, when the Kundalini rises from here, She goes up - here She awakens Christ, where He sucks these two things, ego and superego, meaning your conditionings and your karmas, both the things, they are sucked in, and then the thing there’s an opening here (Shri Mataji touches Sahasrara). Actually you feel the softness here on your head, just like a child. He said: “You have to be like little children to enter into the kingdom of God”. Means, what do the children have? They have a soft bone hole here. That’s how it becomes, actually it should become physically, and you start feeling the cool breeze coming out of your head. So I wanted to clear you on this point, that there is no need for human beings to suffer. Only thing they are to be born again. Now again this is another very, very funny situation creating word is “born again”. When I came to America last time, everybody was trying to tape Me. I mean, we had much more groups than we have here now, I don’t know what has happened to them. They are all shifted, they are not here, God knows where they have gone in America, because all the time Americans are shifting, you see, they are not gruhasthas, they are not householders. They are all the time shifting from places to places, is impossible to lay hands on anyone. So somebody has gone to California, somebody has gone to Caracas, and… I mean, everybody has shifted and I don’t know where are they lost. Whatever it is. Now the main thing is that, when I came here, I told them that you are to be born again, you are to be realized souls, means actually, I didn’t mean that you go to some place and say that “I’m born again”, that sort of a thing I never said. And the gentleman who had organized the program in Los Angeles, he was very anxious that he said: “Mother, don’t allow anybody to tape Your lectures”. But I said: “What’s the harm? I mean, after all, what’s the harm?”. He said: “No, no, but they’ll spread this”. I said: “Very good, what do I want out of them is spread the news, alright, now I’ve come and they should get their realization. This is a fact, this is the truth, and what is the harm, after all truth is truth!”. But I didn’t realize that they were so stupid, so stupid, that they started many organization on that, you see, the vibration word came after that, and the “born again”. Now, they are ‘born again’, self-certified born-agains. You find them anywhere, I met them in America (Shri Mataji corrects Herself)… in Australia, “We are born again”. I said: “How?”. “We are born”. I said: “But how? What is your authority?”. “Bible is our authority”. I said: “But how do you say that you are born again? You must be collectively conscious, isn’t it? Something must take place in you”. They are fanatics! These born-agains are nothing but another prototype of Mr. Khomeini, nothing else. They are Khomeinis, all these fanatics are nothing but Khomeinis! In different names, in different labels, but they are not born again, they are not realized souls, because a realized soul is collectively conscious. He is, I’m saying to be. If he becomes. It is not just he says that “I am born again”. It’s foolish and stupid to say like that, that I am something. Supposing tomorrow I start saying that I am the Governor of this place: they will arrest Me and put Me in the lunatic asylum! That is how people have branded themselves “We are this and we are that, and we are that”. And the another thing human beings have is to club. They always club together. You see, under any name they can club, like in England I met someone, he said: “Oh, they are, they belong to our group”. I said: “What is your group doing?”. He said: “You see, we, we, we have our fork and spoons put in a different way”. I said: “Eh?”. For that they have formed the another group. I said: “Really?” “Yes, you see, our forks and spoons are not the way they put it in England, we have another group”. I mean, any nonsense they will take up to form a club, or to form a group, or a cult, or a sect, or… and then bringing God in between, you know, it is in the, “God has given us this idea”. Now, how did you get connected to God? It’s such an absurd thing going on, I mean, these sects and all these things I just can’t understand. God has created no sects, nothing. He has only created two types of human beings, one who are realized, one who are not. There’s no third type. At the most you can say there are seekers and non-seekers, at that point where you can say those who are not realized. But I can’t think of any other thing, I mean, God has created different type of faces, for example somebody has, say, blond hair, somebody has black hair, somebody has white skin, black skin… He had to do like that, otherwise we would all have looked like machines, like these chairs that are here, we would have had no beauty about us, isn’t it? There would have been no variety, such a boring thing to see, all these chairs morning till evening. That’s why He created this beauty, He made us so beautiful, by giving us different permutations and combinations, and things, it’s such a, such a work He has put in, while we are trying to become machine-like bolts and nuts and we become sort of, as they call it the “work”, you see, the work we become of God. Which is absurd. Say, in the nature if you see, even one leaf is not just the same like the other leaf. Even there. Variety creates the beauty. And all these points, also people are there, there might be leagues here for the red hair league, and the black hair league, or maybe any sort of a, any nonsensical thing they can use it, you can’t say what, to what extent they can go in forming a club Any sort of thing. And here we are to see that we are universally like this (She points at Chakra Chart). Whether you have a black skin or a white skin, whether you have a bald head or a red head, you all have this thing inside you. All of you have got this universal thing within you, except for the devils. If you are a human being you all have this thing within you. Now, when I say this to you, you need not accept Me also, because there’s all freedom in Sahaja Yoga. If you don’t want to accept, is all right, but don’t deny. As a scientist, you must accept this hypothesis. Once you accept the hypothesis, you go ahead with it, see for yourself, if you get your realization, then see for yourself, go further and see about it. Now, as he said that people are saying here that we should get Shakti from anyone, everyone, is another Guru-shopping business, you see? Is - I’ve seen people who sit down and see that how much money they can spend on their seeking. So they find out, “Now, if you have to go to X you have to pay two hundred and he is hundred… Now, how much money do I have in the bank, how will I balance it, now how many people I can go to?”. The idea is, as many things you can buy in the market in that little money, is all - they sit down and plan it out. You see, this is not God. But they will be lost with Me because you can’t just purchase Me. You cannot. Neither you can buy Him. Now, what to do now, where do I fit in? Then I don’t fit in, because there’s - according to their planning I don’t fit in, because I’m supposed to get some money out of it. And it’s such a funny sort of a clownish behavior towards religion that I was flabbergasted, when I started seeing people here, I mean, I came here no doubt, but I refused to come for nine years. I said, ‘Now these people only think of dollars, dollars, dollars: when are they going to think of God?”. How much money did Christ charge you? You sold Him for thirty rupees. You sold Him. Did He charge any money? He lived like a carpenter’s son. He had only two tunics to wear. He lived with that, but He was the king. Because such people do not care for anything, you see, nothing can make them tempted too. For such people it’s alright. If you make Me sleep on the ground it’s alright! If you make Me sleep in a palace is alright, for such people they are kings they are above all these things, you cannot lure them into anything. And that’s what was before you, Christ. Christ came on this earth before Me. Told you that what is important is your Spirit. Look after your Spirit. And you raised your churches, and you raised all these buildings, and all these places – where is the Spirit? The Spirit is missing. We have to pay attention to our Spirit. He has said it in many, many words, “You are to be born again”. It is, He said it, “You put Me in your heart”, all that was possible in that language, to these fishermen, He told. Of course they have honestly quoted all that, but not all that what He said. Because He also lived only for three, four years there, and He was crucified. I mean, imagine the stupidity of people to crucify Christ. I can tell you, if He comes to America today you may crucify Him. Why? Because anybody who cures in this country, he is prosecuted! Your legal side is so great, you don’t know the laws of God, you don’t know these Divine laws how they work. So let us forget about this one, you are all seekers, you are special people, you are chosen people, you are men of God. You are not men of the world. Accept your position. Have your self-esteem. You are not the people who are going to seek money, and are going to judge God through money, or through positions, or anything. Like these people went to see the medias and they were only impressed by My husband’s position, imagine! But you are different. You are the seekers, you are the seekers of truth, and truth you cannot purchase. I’m telling you this because I feel people need some cracking on this point. You cannot purchase, you cannot have a course, you cannot demand it. It has to work out, it’s a happening, it’s a living happening, it’s a living process, of a living God. Christ has said how many times this word ‘living’? Which is living, is here, by going to anybody you can get any number of spirits. By paying to them you can purchase nothing but spirit and your lunacy. You can get epilepsy by paying money, you can get heart attacks, you can get your blood cancers and you can get also some horrible types of diseases, which I have seen people are getting, these horrible so-called Shakti-Pat people. One has to know, once you become the Spirit you become marvelous. Your health must improve, everything must improve. So today we are here, on the chakras I have given you the introduction because you will see why you improve in health. Why there has to be improvement in health when the Kundalini rises. Now at the very outset I will tell you one thing very important, which should not really shock you, but you should know is a fact: that this one, is the first center, called as Muladhara chakra. Now, the word Muladhara means, Mula means the root. Adhara means the support. So this is the support of the root. The root is this, Kundalini, and this is the support of the Kundalini. And this is the chakra which is bestowed upon by a deity called Shri Ganesha, who is the embodiment of innocence. It is the same deity born at this time as Christ. Now one should know that this chakra in the gross controls the pelvic plexus. I don’t know how many of you are doctors here. But pelvic plexus also has sub-plexuses which are four in number. And they control all our excretory functions, including sex. Now, if you see it clearly, it is placed below the Kundalini. Because it’s the innocence. In the mud of excretion is put the innocence, because He is innocent. A child doesn’t understand sex, does He? He is the eternal Child. Ganesha is the eternal Child. Christ is an eternal Innocence. He doesn’t understand sex nor can He marry anyone – all these ideas of Christ marrying, I mean, how can you marry a little child? He doesn’t develop ego and superego, like human beings do. And that’s why the head of the Child is that of an elephant, because elephant is a very, very wise animal and there is a story about it, but that I will tell you later on. To show that, the person who is bestowing, or we can see [say?] the King who is enthroned here (points at Muladhara on the chakra chart), is the one who is a Child, His ego and superego do not meet. He does not have I-ness. This is what was the meaning of this. In this center He resides, but that shows one thing very clearly: that sex has nothing to do with your realization. Kundalini is above it. Only this center informs that somebody is there before you who is authorized to do the job, or who is there who has got the authority which is emitting for that person, and that’s how the Kundalini rises. Just like sprouting of the seed. Just like sprouting of the seed. This is the primule you can say of the seed which rises, but the information comes through this in here, that there is somebody who is an authority, Divine authority. Authority word is very, very aggressive, Divine authority is very loving, and such a person is there and the Kundalini rises immediately. This is how the Kundalini awakening takes place. So the first and foremost thing we have to know that sex plays no part in Kundalini awakening. People go and learn sex behavior from animals: now, are you going to become animals? What is there to learning sex I just don’t, I don’t understand! The knowledge is already there, in India nobody talks of sex the way you talk, we are producing much more children than you are producing! (Laughter) Also there is another reason, as I told you yesterday that no children want to be born in Western countries, because they are killed, they are harmed, they are tortured; but in India even a person may have twelve children, he loves the children. That may be another reason we are facing that, but one of them is that they know about sex quite alright. And they don’t have children which you can call as illegitimate children. Very few in India illegitimate children are! Very few people divorce. I mean, they live happily! All desires you have developed of your marriage, what have you got are divorced people, children are suffering, they are in the orphanage, and the old people are also in the orphanage. Ten husbands marry ten wives and they are planted in orphanages. No family system, nothing. So one has to understand that sex is placed here (Muladhara) and is to be respected as a function, and as a private function, specially to be sanctified by the public. For example, excretion of any kind: if the public has not sanctioned. For example it has not been sanctioned that you go and do something on the street. You’ll be arrested, isn’t it? So whatever is not sanctioned to you, if you do like that, because you think you have got your liberties to do it, you will be definitely arrested and will be troubled. And we can see it in nature also that if you do all these things, you develop horrible diseases. I was seeing the statistics of the American nude and I was amazed that 65% young people from 25 to 40 years have some sort of a disease which is a secret disease. Which is a ugly disease. What a charring thing it is, just think of it. If you go through the statistics you see, either they suffer from impotency, or they suffer from horrible diseases which are supposed to be incurable. Of the sex origin. If your liberation so-called means license, was a good thing, nature would have been kinder to you. But it is not! Apart from anything else, we have got Christ before us. Let’s see, what Christ has to say? He said, “Thou shalt not have adultery is said. But I say: Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. See what a powerful statement it is. Because He’s there, near the eyes. Not only the adultery part, but even the eyes. And you see here people have their eyes roving all over, like – God knows what’s happening to them. They must see every woman who’s passing, every woman must every man who’s passing. I don’t know what are they doing, wasting their attention. He has said it so clearly. Even in the church when they are sitting, when they are trying to worship Christ, they are doing nothing but flirting! Have we no respect for ourselves?! First purification point comes here (points at Mooladhara on chakra chart – ed). The first purification comes here. Let us face it. Of course you’ll be purified when the Kundalini rises. But I must tell you, when this center is catching, the Kundalini is sucked back. One has to raise it again and again, and again and again, and again and again, to establish realization. You can become a very dry person, an over-sexy person, it can be any perversion, or you can be all sorts of perversions, I really don’t even understand, the man becomes a woman, and a woman becomes a man, and this and that possession – all sorts of nonsensical things – dog becomes a man, and - I mean, I just can’t understand how you are going mad with … Hither and thither, all over the places, I mean, I don’t - I really don’t understand, I was so shocked, I never knew that such things exist in this world, that human beings have gone to that limit of nonsense. Books have been written about it. I met two ladies in, in Basel, very near the German border. These two ladies who came to Me were horrid, absolutely horrid. And this one was there and she was shaking before Me, and all sorts of things happening to them. And I asked her, “What do you do?”. “Oh, You see, we are very qualified”. I said, “How?” “We have done all the sophisticated methods of Freud”. I said: “Really? Now you have surpassed him or what?”. I could not give them realization! I mean, the way you have taken Freud seriously, Christ is absolutely blurred out of your family. Christ is only for a cross to be worn, that’s all. But that far, nothing beyond. And cross is not the message of Christ, is the resurrection! You are to be resurrected, He got His resurrection to prove that you can be resurrected. And how are we to resurrect when we have indulged so much into the nonsense of this? But still I must tell you, I must confess that the grace of God has poured all its kindness now. Really, I tell you, any type of thing is really forgiven. All sins and blasphemy and all that is forgiven and you really get your realization. I’ve seen people who are described as one of the worst and the worst and the worst of all: they get their realization and that’s how they get their transformation and transmutation. It’s surprising how it’s working. It has to work! Because the creation is to be saved. It is He who is worried about His creation rather than we are worried. So the first chakra I have told you about, has got four – four, we call them petals, in Sanskrit language, petals. And these petals have four sub-plexuses to look after. Now, when we go to Kundalini, it has got three and a half coils. Kundalini is placed there in three and a half coil. Three and a half coil has a special meaning, and it is a mathematical calculation, three and a half is, is a mathematical calculation, and if you happen to read one of My – I think in the Advent I don’t know if is discussed it (or) not, but it’s a mathematical calculation which has got seven – actually if you see there it makes seven chakras, if you, if you push it one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, if you draw a straight vertical line. And this is also principle is used in our automatic watches, the spring that we use is a spiral which has three and a half coils. It’s a mathematical coefficience that works out. Now this Kundalini is placed in the sacrum bone, called as sacrum, that means Greek knew that it was a sacred bone. And it is said that when the body burns, this bone doesn’t burn. It remains. Unless and until terrible acid and all these things fall on it, it does not burn. And it is a sacred bone. Now. Then, I mean, on Kundalini if I have to speak, I can… I must have spoken at least for hours. But we are now going like an introduction to all these chakras, alright? And later on you’ll get My tapes from England and you can go through them and see for yourself how this Kundalini is a tape recorder within us. She tapes everything. And She has got all the information as to what you have done, where you have been. As soon as the Kundalini rises, you get the information on the fingers, the realized souls get the information on the fingers. She gives information – he is catching there, is catching here, this is the problem (She shows thumb of left hand), and this is to be corrected (She shows thumb of right hand). I’ve seen people have got Kundalini – you’ll be amazed – so wounded, so many holes, it’s just trying to rise, you know, it’s absolutely desperate. It flexes at this side, that side, it cannot rise. And again it falls out, limp down, and it wants help. If this chakra (maybe the Muladhara) is catching, or this chakra is catching (She indicates the Muladhar, sacrum bone area - ed), then you find a big pulsation in that area, I mean you will see terrible pulsation. Just like a heart, you can see with your … But this chakra (points at Swadishthana on chakra chart – ed) if it’s catching, specially on the left side, means – the left side – means that a person is possessed. Unauthorized person has put some possession into him. Such a person gets specially this pulsation very strong in this area (sacrum bone – ed). You can see it very clearly this pulsation in people who have got a catch, in the way the Swadishthan chakra caught up on the left hand side, you get it – the nearer it is, the worse it is. It starts pulsating because it is trying to push itself, it wants to get out of the barrier, and that’s why it makes a tremendous effort to come out. But it does not. And then it sets back again. And again it tries. And I have seen that unless and until you clear this chakra, it doesn’t come up. Now, when you come to this chakra (Nabhi - ed), which is the second as we said, why we said – because this is connected with this like a, we can say a stock of a lotus. Now, this chakra is the chakra of our seeking. Navel chakra. It’s called as Nabhi chakra. This center is responsible for our evolution, up till now. Like from amoeba to this stage we became because of the power of this center. And this center is occupied by the Father figure, whom we call as Narayana. Lakshmi Narayana. Is the One, is the Father aspect of God. Now, one can say there is only one God. Yes, there is only one God. No doubt, there’s only one God. There are not many Gods. But God, who is One, has many aspects. Like you can be a doctor, you can be a husband, you can be a father, you could be a son. Now you can’t say there’s only one man. I mean, then, God is not like Rock of Gibraltar, that He, He has no other aspects; but even Rock of Gibraltar, if you go and study, it has got different cells of which it is made. So God has different aspects, and in those different aspects He acts differently. There’s only one God who does this, but His aspects are different. Now, the first aspect of God is the desire of God that He wants to create. This desire is represented by this power of His. The another aspect of God is here, by which He wants - He creates, He acts. He acts and creates. He is the Creator on this side. Now, the central one is the aspect of God which is the Father, which is the One which tries to evolve, improves His image on the reflectors that He has created. These are the three functions and three aspects of God. Now this aspect is the aspect of the Spirit here, we say, because it’s the One that the Spirit exists all the time, it is changeless, it is eternal, and it does not incarnate. In the sense that that aspect, which is the aspect of a witness, does not incarnate. That’s the God Almighty, we can say, is called as Sadashiva in Sanskrit language. This aspect of God does not incarnate. He never incarnates. But His power is the Adi Shakti, is the Primordial Mother, is the Primordial Power, the Primordial Shakti, is the One that creates this whole thing. She first creates the left side, and then the right side, and then the central side. These are the three powers this Primordial Power has got. And then She puts this Kundalini down there, when you become a human being it rises, and makes you aware of that All-pervading Power which is this cool breath which you start feeling. So the witness stays in the heart – the witness is the Spirit. He is Sat-Chit-Ananda, means He is the truth, He is the attention, and He is the joy. When you get your realization, your attention becomes enlightened. Your attention becomes enlightened. How? That I can tell you there’s someone here who is one of the first sahaja yogis we had. When he got his realization he asked Me: “Mother, my father has not telephoned to me all these days… (unclear due to bad quality of audio)… how is he”. I said, “You can feel him, just what is happening to him”. He just put his hands like this (inaudible due to bad quality of audio) and he got a burning here. (Shri Mataji points at the area in the right hand just below the fingers – ed) These are the centers of your father. I said, “This one (right Vishuddhi finger – ed), that means something is wrong with him in the throat, maybe he is down with bronchitis, of a serious type”, because it was burning. He telephoned to Scotland and the person answered was his mother, and she told in the same language, same sentence, that he’s down with very bad bronchitis. You can even cure him sitting down. You can, because you are enlightened, your attention is enlightened. Enlightened is not just ordinary light. Enlightenment means that when you are enlightened with the Divine light, in the real sense, not this artificial one, then your attention starts acting. It starts working out. It starts cooperating, coordinating, it’s a telecommunication and everything. Apart from that, it loves. And this All-pervading power you have to become. Actually we do not know, we are not aware of this. We do not know that there is all-power around us, that this All-pervading power is surrounding us, you are not at all aware of this. Is like, I say there is all music going on here, and a drama going on here – you won’t believe Me, till I put the television: “Oh – you say – yes, it is there”. In the same way, unless and until you are put to the mains, you cannot feel that All-pervading power. And that is the Truth. The rest is all just a falsehood. Is fake. That’s the only thing that is the Truth is the All-pervading power. Whatever that All-pervading power relates to you is the truth. Like when you have that, you ask a question: “Is there God?”. You’ll get tremendous flow on your hand. But if you ask about a horrid person, who is not a Guru but is a fake person, immediately the vibrations will stop – not only that, sometimes it may burn, it may even give you blisters, if you just ask the question. It is so surprising, it is so simple, that once you jump into it, the All-pervading power starts emitting through you and you become the vehicle of that power, and the master of it. Whatever way you want, you can maneuver it, you can know – now for example this gentleman has got the left side problem: how did I know? I could feel it within Myself. Now, if you put your left hand towards a person, who is a realized soul or who has the power, and put your right hand outside, the whole thing will be cleared out – aren’t you better now? – you’ll be much more comfortable, it will go away. It has to go away, because the connection is established, now the thing is flowing in, and it just - just like the electricity flowing out. It’s so simple! It’s so simple; to you this electricity looks very simple because your forefathers have worked for it, and they have brought it down here. To you it is just switching on on the light. But how many lives have been lost for this. How much mechanism is there, what an organization is there, everything is there. But to you it is just switch on, that’s all, finished. It’s so simple. So to look at it may look simple, but it’s a tremendous organization that works it out. Imagine these centers are built within us with our evolution. This is the center of when we were just carbon, up to carbon point. Carbon also is tetravalent. This is also tetravalent. Till we were carbon - carbon is a very pivotal, pivotal element in all the elements, if you see the position of carbon; because when carbon started, then only life started coming. And this is how we are here up to the carbon point (She points at Muladhara on the chakra chart). After that we become human beings (points at Nabhi on chakra chart – ed) we start… I mean, life, then we start growing here. Now this grew into seven stages. We grew into, say, definitely we say ten stages, out of which eight stages brought us up to human level (Shri Mataji points at center heart chakra on chakra chart – ed). Now as I told you, this is the center of creativity (starts by pointing at Swadishthana and then to the circumference of Void – ed), means it creates all the stars and everything within us, it creates all the galaxies and all those things within us, and is also responsible for looking after our left side psyche and the right side creativity. Say if there is an artist with us, who comes to us, you’ll find his right side Swadishthana – this is the Swadishthana (right thumb – ed) is (this? Unclear) also you can see here (on chakra chart – ed) – immediately you’ll find that he is an artist. Immediately you’ll find that he is giving you hot vibrations on this part (right thumb – ed), means he is an artist, or maybe he has used it too much, a person who is a speaker, or a writer, and all that thing, who has used his creative power too much on the right hand side, gives you this feeling (right thumb). The one who has used the left side psyche, like people who have been tampered with their psyche – you see, a psychologist, a person who is a psychologist, who is studying psychology – I mean, psychology cannot be studied by people who are not realized souls. They should not. They do not know how they are harmed by tampering with others’ psyche. They do not know how to protect themselves. For a doctor may tie up something to save himself (She mimes a mask on Her mouth – ed) from infections. But a psychologist does not know how he is harmed. Even if we live with a mad person, or if you go to a lunatic asylum, you catch from that people. That’s how your left side gets caught up and you find that left side starts working in such a manner that you develop all left side problems. Left side problems are depression, epilepsy - leading to all kinds of modern pressures as they call it, guilt, and diffidence, suicide, could be lunacy, all those things come from your left side – and last of all cancer. Cancer is caused by the left side problem and not by the right side problem. Actually, as a reaction of the right side, if you are too active - you are too active, all the time you are thinking, because this center does another very important work. It changes, transforms your fat into the cells for the use of your brain which, which is using it for thinking. So it goes into tremendous action when you start planning. I mean, here I have seen people plan too much. Till they say “All set”. You see, you start from the home: they start planning. There is no need to plan, I don’t understand, what is the need to plan to that extent. I mean, you are going on the road, there’s no need to plan at all! You have to work it out at the present moment. For example supposing I have to book a ticket: then that is done, to be done today. Then what is the planning? “That on the eighth I will book…”. What is the need to say that beforehand, I mean, when it will come to eighth you book it. But they go on like this and ultimately all plans fail (She laughs), everything fails. You go to a place for example you don’t know. If you say, “Alright, we’ll go to the right”. But the maybe there is no road on the right, so are you going to fall into the ditch because you have planned it beforehand that “I will go to the right”? (Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs). See, you must leave it open! And the same about Kundalini, because the, when the Kundalini rises, it’s like a car that has started – it moves, it moves, it moves – supposing it has stopped here (She indicates Nabhi on chakra chart – ed). And somebody gives you a mantra for this one (She indicates Agnya on chakra chart – ed). You’ll spoil this one (Agnya) as well as this is already spoilt (Nabhi). So you’ll have a double problem, because you are saying mantra with this one (She touches Vishuddhi). Of course any mantra you say you spoil this (She touches Vishuddhi) in any case. Apart from that, you have no connection, nothing, you are not yet realized souls, and you are taking somebody’s name like that. For example Rama’s mantra, is Rama is here (She indicates right heart on chakra chart – ed). Many people say Rama’s mantra and they have a problem with this, they can get asthma – physically. “Ah, I’m saying Rama’s mantra but I have got asthma” (Shri Mataji says this last sentence panting as an asthma patient, laughter – ed). What else, I mean, you must get it. If you, if you have asthma I’ll ask you, “Did you say Rama’s mantra in India?”. Absolutely it goes hand in hand, because Rama is stationed here. Alright? Now, if you have to take His name, there should be some protocol. What is your authority? Why are you taking Rama’s name? Supposing I start taking the name of your President, in his house go there and start shouting “Oh President, President”, whatever his name is, I start shouting his name. I’ll be arrested or not? Or maybe, maybe at that time when you are shouting Rama’s name, maybe some servant with the name of Rama who has died, will think that “There’s a call for me”, may come and enter into your being. Mostly it happens, because you have no connection with Rama Himself. With Shri Rama you have no connection. So, some Rama who is working in your house and has died, or someone like that thing, or maybe around somewhere in the atmosphere these busybodies, anybody can enter into you and you can get possessed and you can get this asthma. This right side problem is very common with people who are suffering from this trouble. And this trouble comes to you because you try to be very individualistic. Like, if you are married you don’t want to create good relationships… Can you ask him to go down, he is distracting everyone. Alright? Can you ask him to come to the, to the - tomorrow, day-after-tomorrow to our place, where I will treat him. Alright? He can sit there also. Alright? I’ll cure him tomorrow. Or after the program I’ll try. It’s moving, the thing is moving in him, you see, from places to places, and one has to take to it. There are so many here, I’ve seen so many, such strange people I’ve met on the street, such strange people. There are so many, I mean, if you, I don’t know what is the percentage of lunatics in this country, but schizophrenic and all sorts of people, I mean you can’t say, I mean – just see, every third person I came across has some sort of a funny thing going on in his head. I said, “Now what is it – this is the country which is invaded the most by these negative forces. And if you are going to be destroyed, you are going to be destroyed from inside, not from outside. You will not be destroyed from outside. Take it from Me. You’ll be destroyed from inside. And that you can see what’s happening, all kinds of destructive forces are working it out. And the worst of all, these horrible gurus who have come from India. You people had invasion on India. English had their political invasion, you had your monetary invasion on India. So all these horrible people are having a mental invasion on you – you are not aware of it. It’s a mental invasion on you. Very subtle mental invasion which you cannot discern – you are enslaved, as we were enslaved by you for money. You see, for wheat, if they send horrible wheat to India, Americans used to say “Eh, oh, we have been very gracious”. And the wheat was so horrible that we could not eat. We threw it on the grounds, imagine, we threw it on the grounds and horrible types of – what you call – acacia plants grew. We cannot destroy them. And then another type of grass which we called as Congress grass, you see – because it came from America we called it Congress grass – grew all over and it covered all over crops and everything. And we, we didn’t know why were you so kind to us to send all these things. Somehow it was destroyed then, this grass, but still this horrible acacia is covering all the villages in India, people are having a terrible time, they are poisonous; and if they hit you, you see, you are killed. And children play around – it’s a very dangerous thing. I mean, if they wanted to send wheat, that should have been something more gracious than what they have been doing. This is how you have been very, very unpopular all over the world. Whenever you try to help anyone, you think, “Oh, you are doing too much”. While India has helped you so many ways. First of all it has helped you when you had wars, we sent Indian troops and all that all over – we never tried to show anything like that. You see, it is surprising how these developed nations are so ego-oriented. So ego-oriented, I mean, so many things they have done that I cannot understand how human beings are not afraid of God and His wrath that can come on us. We have oppressed all the people who are already oppressed, we have tried to really crash them down. Now it is time for you people who are born in this country, who are special people born – you are very, very special, in America we have the maximum number of crazy, you would not know; it is for you to rise above all these nonsensical things and get over it. And join your hands in solving the problems of these worldly things which has really oppressed the whole universe. And I really dependent very much on you people. I came nine years back, but I found that the aggression is still bubbling in, they cannot see things; and that’s how these gurus take advantage of it. They took advantage of it, they came here: “Alright, you have got money? Pamper your ego, you can purchase us”. They pampered your ego, you thought you can pay for them, you paid for them: but what did you get out of it? Is nothing but all these horrible things out of which it is very difficult to get out. Apart from that, many might have lost their chances of Self-realization. You are absolutely special people to be born – you have taken birth in this country with a very, very special purpose. Because I told you that you are born in this place (points at Vishuddhi on chakra chart – ed), this is America. What a place it is. I mean, you had great people like Abraham Lincoln, great people like him, what a man he was, you had. You have forgotten him completely, his ideals and things, I mean, what a man is Abraham Lincoln. I mean, if I read about anyone in the beginning was Abraham Lincoln, I said “Look at him”. He was a realized soul! His ideals and all that are gone off. Now it is for you to establish. For what you (have?) to, for what God has created this America, this chakra of Vishuddhi. And this is what is starting from here (points at Nabhi on chakra chart – ed) that you rise up to there. The connection is that this seeking (points at Nabhi on chakra chart – ed) goes in developing (points at Void on chakra chart – ed) and there are ten principles which are described as the Ten Commandments, you can say, or we have got ten Sutras, in Sanskrit language they are called as ten Sutras. Gandhiji put one more, by saying that we should use only Indian, Indian things, not foreign things, because then they will dominate us. So he put ekadasha, he put one more. But there are ten, which are here, which are described as Ten Commandments in the Bible. And these are the ten Primordial Masters (She touches the Void on the chart) who were born on this earth. Say we can start from Socrates, then we can think of other, in India was Dattatreya, is the – Dattatreya is the essence. And He is born as Socrates. He is born as Lao-Tse. He is born as Abraham. As Moses. He is born as – up till now we can say Mohammed Sahib, Nanaka. Latest is the Sai Nath of Shirdi. He’s the One who represents, they all represent this Primordial Master’s principle of religion. Religion means the one that sustains us. These ten are our sustenance, is we can say our valences, is our quality. Like this gold has a quality that it is untarnishable, in the same way human beings have these ten qualities in them. For a dog doesn’t know what is truth and what is untruth. Dog doesn’t know what is, what is violence and non-violence. Is the human being who knows these ten things. And these are the qualities, ten qualities which are sustained by the Primordial Master who is Dattatreya, who has incarnated on this earth basically ten times, but there are so many upa-gurus as they call, the subsequent gurus, also who are realized souls. Now. At the time of Christ, John the Baptist. I mean, he was a real Baptist, he was not an untrue Baptist, he was a realized soul. Nowadays everybody’s a Baptist, without being the real Baptist. You have to be the real Baptist – when you are a realized soul, only then you are a real Baptist, not before that. And this special thing (points at Void on the chart – ed) called as the Primordial Master, is also within you. You can become your own Guru. Your Guru Principle is to be awakened. If the Kundalini awakens your Guru Principle, you become the Guru. You have to become your own Guru. On the left side is the diffidence that you cannot be a Guru. On the right side is the arrogance. And that’s how sometimes we, we subject ourselves to others, saying that “You are my guru”. And here we are arrogant – when we see a real Guru, we deny it. So these two sides are to be seen, and once you work it out… For example, this gentleman who was here has a left side. Is the diffidence in him. (Please, come in. Eh? Alright. May God bless you. Alright.) So left side is the one that gives you that diffidence and you subject yourself to other gurus. And you can see it on your left side Void, this is the Void (points at Void on left hand, ed). You can feel it on the left side Void a burning sensation. And this is a sign that you have been to some guru who has been wrong - who is not a realized soul, who is a wrong type of man. Immediately you can make out from the person whether he has been to a right type of a guru or a bad type. If you have been to the right type, you get your realization just like that. You are just ready for it. He doesn’t spoil your chakras, nothing. He doesn’t give you false ideas. And you are just ready; but he has done very great work is to establish this part (Void – ed) in your stomach. That’s why Moses, Abraham, all of them talked about alcoholism, about these things, because alcohol spoils the liver. Christ did not. He was born at that time (points at Agnya on the chart – ed), so He talked about the eyes. He talked about the realization. He talked about the Gate, the Door. And that’s why He said you must get your resurrection. So the different aspects came at different time, and this aspect of the Primordial Master which was Moses, you can say, Abraham, and other people of the same type, they came to establish balance and dharma within us. Here they have not shown two other subsidiary chakras. One is the chakra of the sun (indicates aspect of Nabhi on the right channel) and another is of the moon (indicates aspect of Nabhi on the left channel). This is the moon line (left channel) and this is the sun line (right channel). Now this center they should have shown here (indicates aspect of Nabhi on the right channel) I think, which means that when you are on the sun line, you become right handed. Right handed means you are more projecting towards the future, you are thinking too much, or you are putting too much attention to your physical being. And not to your Spirit. Not to your emotional self. Now, when you start getting to the asceticism, and all sorts of nonsense like that, become an ascetic, give up this, give up that, give up that – and you give up actually your brain, nothing else – you become a thin person, you start moving like this (She indicates movement from the central channel to the right side of Void) and develop a horrible liver. You see? this liver may extend up to this (indicates Void on right hand side up to its extreme limit). Now, liver is one of the, one of the very, very special organs we have got within ourselves. I mean, you would not know if you have a bad liver till you get to cirrhosis. When they will say that: “Now, last time has come, you are in for your funeral”. That’s what it is. Liver is like that, it goes on getting bad, bad, bad till you do not know. But in Sahaja Yoga immediately you will know you have a liver problem. And you will also know how to cure it. And liver is responsible for our attention, which is so important. If your liver is not alright, your attention will be horrid, all the time you’ll be feeling sick, frustrated, embittered, you won’t like this, you won’t like that – sort of a person, always annoyed, and you will not know “why I do like this, I don’t want to do it, but why am I doing like that”. So this is the one one has to look after. But when you think too much, as I told you, this center of Swadishtana, which is bestowed upon by Brahmadeva, who is the Creator, works too hard, and it has no time to look after the other things like the liver, the pancreas, the spleen, the kidneys, and the uterus. So these things get completely neglected, and that’s how the people who think too much always get diabetes. In Sahaja Yoga diabetes is curable. Hemiplegia and all those things, and anemia and all these things are the cause of the same thing. Such people can become so very dry, really very dry because their left side goes absolutely out of order, it’s sleeping. They become emotionless. I’ve known people they came to tell Me, “Mother, I have no emotions now, I have become a great saint, I have no emotions.” Who has told you? I mean, a saint has such emotions you can’t imagine. It’s such a, such a feeling! I mean, if somebody says that he is a saint and he has no emotions, you throw him in the sea. He is good for nothing. A person who has no emotions is not a human being, he is worse than an animal. And if you see a saint, the difference is only this: that if you feel pained, then you start weeping and becoming emotional. But a saint is the other way round. When he sees others in pain, then the compassion fills him completely. When he sees others in trouble, when he sees others drowning, then the compassion starts flowing from his eyes, and you can see the compassion from those eyes, absolutely the same terrific eyes become so compassionate that you are surprised that how this love is flowing. And at the same time he can take a hunter in his hand and hit people; at the same time he can be very wrathful with people who try to destroy the saints, he can be extremely wrathful, and he can be very, very, very, very dynamic. He can be anything; but he uses it for the purpose of one thing: is to save the saints and to make them the Spirit. His only concern is how to make them the Spirit, and for that how to save them. For that, whatever has to do – sometimes it can act like a tigress, just jump on people who try to be injurious, or try to be sort of harmful to the children of the tigress. Or it can become so mild, so mild: I don’t know if you have seen a crocodile giving bath to her children. Her eyes become absolutely so mild, imagine. It’s like that. That love you start seeing in a person who is a saint and who becomes a realized soul, that he feels for others. Not for himself. He is not bothered! Comforts do not matter - where you sit, what you need, “I must have this food”: that all nonsense, never comes in the mind. What matters is: “Oh God, what’s happening to these people, these are my children! They are seekers, they are saints, they have been seeking for thousands of years. How am I to save them?”. And such people who are dry they end up in heart attacks, and another is paralysis. I mean, you should never have sympathies for people who have heart troubles. Tell them to be more loving. Spend some time with your wife. Spend some time with your children. You see, mostly these busy people are those who are at the helm of affairs, who think that the whole world will be drowned without them. Actually with them it may be drowned, I don’t know about that part. Such very busy people, you see, who have no time to waste in their family and who are holding the banner of some sort of a great thing so-called - they always get heart attacks and die. If they are not shot off, they are – they get their own heart attacks and die. They get - can get even epilepsy, but it’s not actually the epilepsy - it looks like epilepsy but it is a kind of a failure of the part of the head which is on this, the ego side. And a person can get paralyzed or he may become absolutely without any sensation in his body. These people, till they die they are very alert, their brain is very alert, despite the fact they have used their brain. Actually the nature is very balanced; they have used their brain, with their brain only they have achieved whatever they wanted to, but their brain is alert, but their heart goes out, the balance comes in. But if you have used your heart too much, the left side as it is, too much of crying and weeping and this and that and all that, you become - on the contrary your heart going out, your brain goes out. The balance is established. It’s surprising, that people said that in the mental hospital no use having a cardiogram. There’s no need because you don’t need it. Their heart is perfect. While they use their heart all the time, the brain goes out. And you become a brainless person or a gaga person, I don’t know all sorts of things that people get. So one has to understand that a balance is brought about by this position (She indicates central path at the level of Void-Nabhi), and that’s why Buddha has said “Keep in the center. Do not go to extremes”. When you go into extremes, this moves in the periphery (She points at periphery of Void). Supposing you are a thinker and you plan everything and you are meticulous, and this and that, you are thrown out of the way (She points finger from central Void-Nabhi towards Void periphery on right hand side). Now, the extreme thing of this could create a very egoistical supra-conscious spirit in you. The one who we can cite was Mr. Hitler. Mr. Hitler was nothing else but a person who lived in the collective supra-conscious (Shri Mataji indicates an area parallel to the right side but further off the center). And he charmed people by his collective consciousness – (She corrects Herself) – collective supra-consciousness. What he did is to talk so big and so nonsensical things, if you read his lectures you’ll be amazed, that he said that: “We are the Germans, we are the special race, we are this and we should kill all these people”, and people believed it! It was just a possession, a collective possession. I mean, if you talk to those Germans now, I read some articles written by them, really they can’t understand, they said, “We were young people, we were studying, we were students, we were very good people, and suddenly all this came up to us and he built us up as some sort of a martyr and all that, and we took to it”. He made it such a big religious stuff, I mean, a fanatic thing in their head, that they accepted it. This is the extreme case of fanaticism. All the fanatics are on this side. All of them are on this side. Any fanaticism I am facing. Keep away from them. They are headaches, they are bores, numbering bores. You just can’t talk to them. All the fanatics of the world if they were bores it’s all right, but they go much beyond that. Like you see Khomeini’s there. He is a good example of fanaticism. And what - I’m happy that Americans had a little experience of these fanatics. All fanatics catch all these people. These so-called Lutherans, and the so-called Pentecostal, they are nothing but they are all possessed people – specially the Pentecostals are possessed, can’t you see them? They are recluses, they are useless people, they are wasting themselves. All the spiritualists and all these people - they could be right-sided or left-sided. LSD takes you to the right side, because you start seeing the lights and all those hallucinations which are of the supra-conscious. Left-sided people who are there, they get into – they are all the time crying, weeping, diffident, sly type, intriguers, they are on the left hand side. But if you move too much on this side then you can also get possessed. You can get very badly possessed and this one, this movement is very painful. Is painful to the person. Because they aggress on the person. But if you have this kind, this type of movement on the right hand side, then you aggress others. Because this is done with the ego and this is done with the superego. So the person who has a left side problem is better in the society because he troubles himself, and he needs his own cure, and he is not a problem. But a person who is a egoist is such a problem that he doesn’t see, he doesn’t feel the pain of others and he gives pain to others. He talks in such a way that he hurts, and he has a very bad right Vishuddhi, and everything he does, all aggressiveness, all war and all these things are a right-sided man. And such a man can become very successful like Hitler, but ultimately he meets his doom and nobody respects such a person ultimately. See, everything afterwards in history tells about the dirty things he was doing, the sly things he was doing, or the bad things he was doing, how many he has killed, what he did – everything comes out in history and he is just put into the light of history, and you start seeing that this man, who was supposed to be so successful, “Oh, God, we do not want to know him (Shri Mataji plugs Her ears) ”. One of the sahaja yogis came to Me, he told Me – he’s a French – he said, “Mother, please tell me if I was Napoleon. If I was don’t tell me, because then I will die”. I said, “Why?”. He said, “I feel that I’m very egoistical, after Realization I find my ego is like this and I topple like that, and I can draw very well, and he used to draw. So if I was Napoleon don’t tell me, if I was don’t tell me, I will really commit suicide”. And in French, in French people if you call somebody a Napoleon, it’s a, it’s an abuse, you can imagine, Napoleon the great is being used as an abuse. So this is the thing that one has to understand, that ego-oriented person is over-disciplined, may be military-like, he may not drink, smoke, you see, he may walk straight like a stick. But he is old. The other one might be indulging into all such things and he might be drinking too much, and all the drunkards you find are on the left hand side. Poor things they start with a small thing. When they start it with a small thing they are driven onto this extreme, then they get caught up. Alcoholics are really, not that they drink, there’s some spirit in them that drinks. I met last time a lady from Cuba, she was a petite woman, small, thin woman, and her husband came and told Me that she can take one whisky bottle neat! I said: “This little woman, how does she do it?!”. He said: “She does!”. And I asked her and she said: “Yes, Mother, I do”. I put her a bandhan and I found a horrible big personality in her. Horrible, tall, very hefty person. He said, “Mother, did you see that one?”. I said: “Yes, I did”. She said, “It is he who drinks, and I’m blamed”. She could see him also. Such people who are on the left side can see the spirits and the things walking in, and they get all kinds of ESP experiences, and “I get a hunch” and all sorts of things – is little movement that side. And the right-sided people also can have such hunches as to what to do tomorrow, and how to do it, and what will happen, they get all kinds of hunches. There are people who are getting photographs of the people, such people – one gentleman showed Me some photographs which in an organization in (…). It’s a lady, she showed Me it’s taking out the photographs of all the horrible kings of England. As if they were dead, with their faces… it was surprising! It was surprising. And now thank God that organization is not getting any information, but it was a horrible thing, and if you keep these photographs in your house you also get bad vibrations, you might get their spirits coming into you. In BBC the other day we saw a film where a man was possessed by a spirit of Van Gogh. I hope you know him, Van Gogh is the painter who paints in one line many colors like that, you see? And this fellow was doing - actually I mean, we saw that with our own eyes – was painting just like Van Gogh. And he said that, “Van Gogh is doing this to me”. So all such things happen when you are on the left side – could be on the right side, for some artist may be on the right side. But this you can only find out with vibrations, which side you are possessed. Now I’ve told you why we have to have dharma, why we have to have Ten Commandments, why we should be in our sustenance, so that we keep to the middle path of Sushumna, this center path of our evolution, and not to deviate too much to this side (right side) and not to deviate too much to that side (left side). That’s the reason we had to have religions. But all religions have become fanatics. They are fanatics. So they are good for nothing, useless people. Absolutely on the contrary they have created so many sects and so many fightings that one can’t understand. Now, these great Incarnations have come on this earth, they all have come as one aspect. Christ has said “Those who are not against Me - with Me”. Who are those who are not against Him? See, you didn’t even allow Him to talk! He had to fight for every-day life! Same thing you did to Mohammed Sahib, the same thing you did to all the saints who came on this earth. It’s not only Christ, you see the life of Socrates. You see the life of everyone who was like this, we had Sai Nath in India, was only hundred years back he must have died, only hundred years back. But if you see His life was a struggle! Nobody would listen to Him. At least there are some people here to listen to Me, but Sai Nath had about three or four disciples, that’s all. That is the sign that I must be a true Teacher, because if you have too much that means you are all mesmerized, and thousands, fifty-thousand people are sitting there and somebody is throwing a red colour through a cannon and they are “ah!”, like mad. Is this God’s Realization? Is this spirituality? You are not to be mad people. You have to be aware, and specially alert. You become really aware, which is enlightened, your awareness has to be enlightened, you have to become that. Not to be like sheep, go there into any place, taken away anywhere – no, not that. So we have to awaken ourselves. We have to brighten ourselves and understand our responsibility. And we have to know that we are saints, we have come here to become our Spirits, and the responsibility is very much great on the people of America. American saints have the greatest responsibility, though Sahaja Yoga has prospered so much in Australia. Most surprising. You condemned them as criminals, they went down there, they had children, grand-children, and they have much less ego, much more wisdom, and that is the center of Mooladhara. That is the first center. Australia is the first center. And people are so wise, you won’t believe. I mean, there was not even a single seat left when I went there, and thousands of people, the media was so sensible and so wise, and - I mean, there are seven cities and all the seven cities have got centers in Sahaja Yoga. Just like villagers in India; they are so wise. As villagers in India are wise, they are that wise. And I don’t know what to say: the persons who are supposed to be the complete wisdom here (points at Vishuddhi on chakra chart – ed) at this point, to be the witness, to be the sixteens – can you see here [points at Vishuddhi on chakra chart – ed], sub-sixteen, and I’ll talk about it next time, because I’ve told you about this center of Rama and then I’ll tell you about all these centers tomorrow, and above also. Thank you very much. May God bless you. Now, if you have any questions, you ask Me. Warren: Do you have any questions? Shri Mataji: Now. It’s alright. Now can I take out these fixations? (Microphone fixed on Her – ed). See now. Bugging, you see? Warren: Yes. American special. (Shri Mataji says laughing: “I’m learning some words! Now address the questions to Me”. Warren says to somebody: “Yes. Just stand up and speak up”. A seeker asks a question). Seeker: Why do some people lean more to the left side and others to the right side? Shri Mataji: What’s it? Warren repeats: Why do some lean more to the left side and others lean more to the right side? Seeker: And some even in the center? Warren repeats: And some in the center? Seeker: Is there a karmic patent or…? Warren: Is there a karmic patent, he says? Shri Mataji: There is, you see, we are made of three gunas. And the permutations and combinations are there of these three gunas. Alright? And those who are tamo gunis, more desires they have, the more sort of emotional they are, they are on the left side. Those who are ambitious, are on the right side. And those who are wiser are in the center. So it’s a temperament with which you are born. It has many reasons. It’s the background, it’s the things you have come out of it, and what was your education, how were your parents – I mean, so many things work it out, the personality. And these three gunas, tamo, rajo and sattwa gunas, these three qualities within us, work out permutations and combinations of all the people. And that’s how we have different type of people. And according to their style they move to one side or another. Alright? I will be talking about that also maybe if I have time, about tamo guna, rajo guna and sattwa guna. (Lady seeker asks a question …“by balancing out of the sides”…) Shri Mataji: What’s she saying? Warren repeats: Can you help people who are mentally sick, by balancing these two sides? Shri Mataji: Of course! I have helped. And you have to help them. Lady seeker: Yes. I’m schizophrenic, that’s why I’m asking. Warren: Schizophrenia? Shri Mataji: Of course. No doubt. But I hope the Americans won’t put Me in jail for saving these people! (Laughter) My husband told Me, “Don’t touch anyone otherwise you’ll be in jail”. Of course I can. No doubt. Lady seeker: Could I learn it? Shri Mataji: What’s it? Warren: Can she learn? Lady seeker: Could I learn? Warren: Can she learn it? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, why not? You can. But first of all you get well. You have to be much stronger. You must learn all the ways and methods. Then you can of course, why not? Even My photograph does that (She laughs). See, you don’t have to worry, you can use My photograph. If they don’t arrest Me for the photograph, it’s alright (laughter). They told Me you have to be a lawyer in this country to exist, I don’t know what (is that? – Barely audible) (laughter). Warren: Yes? Shri Mataji: Yes? Seeker: Did She have a teacher? Warren repeats: Did You have a teacher? (Laughter. Shri Mataji smiles) Shri Mataji: No. Seeker: No? [Shri Mataji shakes Her head.] (Somebody is heard muttering something like: “You hadn’t any teacher…” and goes on muttering) Warren: Any other questions? Shri Mataji: I’m born like this. I’m ancient. Antique. (laughter, She laughs) (The man from the public continues muttering) Warren: Do you mind not disturbing please. Shri Mataji: Loudly. Whatever you say, say it loudly. Warren: Please, don’t disturb. If you’ve got a question specifically ask it, but don’t disturb. Shri Mataji: What did he say? Warren: He is just mumbling. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. You say it loudly, what did you say? (The person keeps talking lowly) Warren: No, no, he’s… Shri Mataji: What? Why? Yogi: He is a drunk. Warren: He is drunk, Mother. Shri Mataji: Is he? Warren: Hm. Any other questions? Yes. A seeker: When everybody leaves, will we be able to continue in New York? Warren repeats: When You leave, will they still be able to continue in New York and can learn how to grow? Shri Mataji: Yes. You see, we have got somebody – Hermann has not come today, I don’t know – where is he gone, Hermann? (Warren: “He is working today”) He is working today. And he has offered his place for working Sahaja Yoga. We – actually, you see, we have imported people from London, who do not have houses here, and also he is from Australia. But Hermann said that he can offer his residence for the use of Sahaja Yoga to begin with, you see, because we don’t take any money, and you have to organize it yourself. And we have got here Christine, who is a very old Sahaja Yogini, and she can work it out. We have some other people also, who may be coming and going from Philadelphia, and you people could be here – I’ll also come back again if you call Me. Next year maybe. We all can go to India also. We are going to go to India…when? (Warren: “In…” Shri Mataji: “Eh?” Warren: “… December”) December. If you people want to come to India, we can take you down to India also, in December; and we will have a program of about - how many days? Warren: About forty-five – fifty days. Shri Mataji: About of forty-five – fifty days, we’ll be passing through villages and all that, and that’s you mix up with other people, and learn about Sahaj Yog, is a very good way of learning about Sahaj Yog, you see, where you learn how to give Realization, and imbibe things, and it’s very good way. If you want you can come along and it is going to be quite cheap for you, only you have to pay for your food and for your travelling, that’s all, and food will be very cheaply arranged; and very good food, we can arrange that. And this time - last time they paid three pounds per day, this time they are going to pay four pounds per day. And everything can be done, we’ll go to different villages, and stay there and organize it. It’s not going to be any money-making proposition or anything, it’s a thing by which you go into simpler places and learn about Sahaj Yog. It’s better, because here, you see, it’s very quiet in this place, I feel, but otherwise in New York you have such a horrible, this signaling business, you know? And all the sounds - and the atmosphere is so much filled with funny sounds all over, and it’s horrifying. Warren: Mother, a lot of people have asked about the practices, how they learn the practices for Sahaja Yoga, the various things they can do, that they have to do. And I think they should all know that you just come along to the group, after Mother’s gone, and you’ll learn all these things. I too wanted to know how to do it, as soon as I got my realization. Sometimes you are a little too keen to know… Shri Mataji: But you can tell them how to give first of all protection to your aura. This gentleman told Me that his aura was - did get disturbed, it’s true, your aura gets disturbed. So you get first of all a method of first of all protecting your auras. And how to raise your Kundalini. This method I will teach you today. Alright? After realization. What else? Warren: Yes. (A seeker asks one question: “When She talked of saving the creation… (Indistinct) Does She mean that the creation is lost?”) Warren: The creation? (Seeker: “She said of saving the creation”.) Yes, I heard the first part. Does She mean… (Seeker: “That the creation is lost, or…”- indistinct) (Warren repeats to Shri Mataji:) You spoke of saving the creation. He is asking, do You consider that the creation is lost? Shri Mataji: May be, may be lost. It’s not yet lost but may be lost. You see, creation, the epitome of creation is you, is the human beings. Alright? If you are not saved, the creation is lost. You are to be saved. And God has to save it, it is His own creation. You are His creation. And He has to save it. (To Warren:) I mean, how did a drunkard come in? Warren (to a seeker): Yes. (A seeker asks a question) Warren: Say again. Seeker: Does She consider the creation something apart from God? Or is the creation also God or what is it? (Warren repeats:) Do You consider the creation something apart from God? Or is it also God or what is it? Shri Mataji (laughing): Accha, now, you see, this is a subject which I have to deal with, alright? What is creation, what is God, how He created you, how we became human beings, it’s a big subject. And it’s to be handled sometime and you are to be told all about it. And I cannot just answer it in five minutes. But I will, it’s a good question and should come to you. But before knowing all these things and details about it, is better you get your light. Once you have your light, gradually you start understanding it. Alright? Warren: Yes? Seeker: What is the meaning of Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Sahaja. Saha means with – ja means born. Is born with you, spontaneous. Sahaja means spontaneous. Whatever is living is spontaneous. You see, whatever happens spontaneously – we don’t understand the word of spontaneous also. Means a living, living expression, living manifestation is spontaneous, Sahaja. Is born with you. But today Sahaja has gone into the stage called as Maha-Yoga. Means it has become a en-masse. It works en-masse. Before it used to work in one person, two persons, you see – like one flower becoming a fruit in the beginning of the tree. But today the situation is such that thousands can get realization. It’s Maha-Yoga. Sahaja Yoga has matured into Maha-Yoga. Maha means the great. (Aside to Warren): I hope he is back – I hope he doesn’t do something to Arneau. Warren: No, the caretaker is outside. Shri Mataji: Eh? Warren: The caretaker is outside. Shri Mataji: And where is Arneau? Is he back? Warren: Arneau is back, yes. Shri Mataji: Ah, but don’t deal with these people, you know. Drunkards I don’t know what sort of people they are. Warren: Any other question? Shri Mataji: Better ask the caretaker. You just don’t deal with them. How do you know he is a drunkard? Warren: The way he was behaving (Shri Mataji says something which sounds like: “I see”). His muttering and (Shri Mataji says something which sounds like: “Oh, I see”) – you could smell him. Shri Mataji: Even from here? (Laughter) Warren: Yes. Tremendous. (Laughter) Any other questions? Shri Mataji: Now, come along. Warren: Now he is telling the caretaker. Shri Mataji: Ah. Warren: Yes. (Seeker asks: “How do salt and sugar fit in?”. Warren repeats:) Where do salt and sugar fit into (them? - Unclear)? Shri Mataji: (She laughs) Into the stomach! (Laughter) Into the Void. Christ has said “you are the salt”, you see? You are the salt. Left side (Shri Mataji stands up, probably to go to the chakra chart). (End of video recording)

9/29/1981

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Evolution and knowledge of the Self

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Public Program Day 6, during America Tour, "East West Center, 141, 5th avenue", New York (USA), 29 September 1981. [First Warren introduced Sahaja Yoga] Doctor Warren has clearly told you about these subtle bodies within us. And we should think why this subtle body was created? What was the need to create this body within us and how it was created? These, all these centers, are the milestones of our evolution. And as we started growing, higher and higher, developing higher and higher awareness, we developed all these centers one by one. And at the human level it’s this center where the man raised his head up. Still why? What was the need to create a human being? Supposing I’m trying to get some nuts, bolts and things, and try to fix them up, make it into a good instrument. One would ask what are you doing? Why are you assembling all this, what are you making out of it? After all, it cannot be a waste, why such a special thing has been made, for what purpose? And that is what we have not yet discovered, what is our purpose. But if you go to any of the Scriptures, you’ll find out that they have said, all of them have said, that you have to become your Self. That there is All-pervading Power around us. Now this All-pervading Power we cannot see. It exists. As they say, if you have to believe it, or not. But we should find out if there is such a Power or not. For example, if I say that there are lots of beautiful pictures and beautiful music in his area, you won’t believe it. But if I get you a television set and if I plug it to the main, you starts seeing that it is receiving something. In the same way, when you become connected with the whole, then what should happen to you is that you start feeling that All-pervading Power. This is Self-knowledge. And it’s written at length, very clearly, by many people in the Indian Scriptures. The reason was, the people who came in the other parts of the world had such a tough time, they were not given any chance to say anything much about it. Hardly they could utter anything and they were crucified, poisoned, beaten up, tortured, all kinds of problems they were given. So this has to happen within us that you we should feel this All-pervading Power. The other day, we had two persons from a guru and they said, "How can it be only this cool breeze that is coming in us, is something?" For a human being, to conceive something about God, is to go to scriptures which have lasted for all these ages, to find out one of the leader- one authorities you can have. Now, it is said that there is All-pervading Power in all the scriptures. Now supposing, by going to somebody, he says, "I give you power called, so called 'shaktipat' [descent of power from above for emancipation (tantra)] ". And he just starts jumping like a mad horse or a like a mad monkey. And you say, "It is shaktipat!" And you have vigorous movements and all kinds of acrobats you fall into and you believe that this is shakti. And then, by the time it is over, you are exhausted and finished. How can that be a shaktipat? The idea of energy within us is not horse energy by which a horse can run very fast, that’s physical energy, we should understand. That's just a 'prana shakti', part of this [right channel] - just part of this path. It’s just a physical energy. Now human beings don’t need a horse power, do they? You have already got big cars here which have tremendous horse powers. You don’t have to become horses now, or bulls or some sort of an animal, [Shri Mataji laughs]. Our idea of a Superman is that he will have such power that he can lift the whole building and throw away somewhere. All such absurd ideas should be given up and [you] should understand that’s physical wellbeing so that you can feel the blessings – the blessings of your Spirit. Blessing work, an animal doesn’t understand; but a human being must understand that when he gets spiritually endowed and spiritually blessed, then, first thing he should have is a physical wellbeing. That doesn’t mean that he becomes a wrestler, That doesn’t mean that his body will be so built that if he slaps somebody, then the other person will die. On the contrary, you become such a powerful personality that if somebody slaps him, for him it’s nothing, it is all nonsense. So the concept of human beings can be from the kind of life they lead, the kind of media they face, the kind of identification the society has, all kinds of things could be there. For example, for Japanese children, I was amazed, for them the idea of a Superman is that he should look like a ghost, he should at least ten times bigger than a normal human being. And that’s what they think they should achieve. Because I studied their media, specially their cinema and most of them have produced these phantom ideas. We don’t become phantoms that is one thing one should know. Neither we become agitated – how can we become agitated? We are in bliss and peace. If you start just gesticulating and sort of shouting and screaming like mad, then how can that be a 'shaktipat'? It’s madness, you are possessed, it’s possession on you. Anywhere you go anybody who’s possessed, you go and see lunatics, they do the same. You pay these people to become lunatics, to believe that they have given you a power, it’s absurd. All these people if you look at them, they are sickly people, they are reclusive, they are actually frightened, some of them are even frightened of a garlic, as I told you.So the Realization, if it comes to you, the chakras which are placed on your fingers, should be enlightened, minimum of minimum and that you should be able to feel this All-pervading Power that is there. This is Self-knowledge, this is “atma bodha”. Bodha means to know; to know, to feel that power. Even, after Realization, [Cut in the video …] When you grow a little bit more, you will start seeing comma like powers, it’s just like, you can say a – in English I don’t know- small sparklers of commas, you can see it clearly. You can also see the Kundalinis of the people. You can also see a good soul and a bad soul like dots, you can clearly start seeing, once you get your Realization, when you are at that level, you start seeing. But if you get possessed, say you are on the left-hand side, then what will you see? You’ll see ghosts walking into your house. You’ll say your room is lifted up. Suddenly you’ll find your body is taken away and you are somewhere hanging. All these are very, very dangerous things about which people are not aware. Never go near these things and these people. Recently there’s a big disease that has started, which is a very dangerous disease I don’t know if you people, are aware of it or not. That when small children are sleeping in the day time, say they are in Switzerland. And say their mother may be in America. The timings are different. That time, it may be the night and here it may be the day time. And the mother goes to a clairvoyant and says that: "I would like to speak to my child". "All right". So the child is sleeping and this clairvoyant gets a soul around, and asks the soul to get the soul of the child and the mother can hear the voice of the child, sitting down here. "Oh, I’m speaking without any telecommunication I’m talking to this child". And it’s very common that the child dies in sleep and the mother doesn’t know. Because the soul has to return, and if it does not return properly, if something goes wrong in his return, the child suffers and also, the soul suffers in any case when it leaves the body [inaudible] and it is very dangerous to human life.And we go headlong into it and we destroy ourselves. They are very, very cunning people, I tell you. Yesterday, those two people who were discussing me, arguing with me, they told me that their guru thinks very highly of me. And there also, people have heard they told me that our guru said that you don’t go to Her, because She will only accept you if you are absolutely purified and we have to purify you. All this is nonsense. These people are just playing tricks on your mind. The purification takes when the Kundalini rises. She purifies you. Because you come to know about yourself when the Kundalini rises, face the problem. And once you know the problem you correct yourselves. Kundalini awakening gives you the judgement of your own Self as if you are going in the car and you get out of the car to see what’s wrong with the car. It is very simple when the Kundalini rises to correct you. For example, supposing there’s a person who smokes too much. I may tell him don’t smoke, don’t smoke, all that. He gets tired of me, run away, won’t see me again. There is no need to tell you don’t smoke. Once you get your Self Realization, you won’t smoke at all. Little willpower will work it out, in the first instance. But even if it doesn’t act, the first instance, gradually you will just drop it out because of transmutation that takes place. So we have to see that when we say that we have got some sort of a shakti or a power within us, we should become master of ourselves, of our greed, of our desires and of our aggressive nature. We should become the master of that. Unless and until that happens to us, how should we believe that it is innate power and that we should feel this All-pervading, blissful Power around us. Unless and until you’re awakened to that, how can you see? Unless and until your eyes are open, how will you see that? And that awakening is enlightenment. Now you are so beautifully made inside see, already you are made like that. [Shri Mataji shows the subtle system chart] Already you are made like that. Except that if you are not ruining it, by breaking it completely, you are there! His made [unsure], for which you have not paid anything. You are putting no effort, no jumping, nothing. You have become a human being from a monkey, without cutting your tails. Automatically, spontaneously. And if you have to become anything higher, you will become, spontaneously. The only difference is that, at this stage of evolution, you have been given your freedom to choose. Because at a high level when you will move, you have to be free people. And that freedom is to be respected. This is one point. And the second point is that your Realization has to take place in your human awareness, you should know! When you became a human being from a monkey stage, you never knew how you became. But now you must know. Because you must know that there is God and you must know that his power is flowing to you. That’s why one should understand what we should expect when we get our Realization? Of course, as we said, that when you start getting the power within you, once it starts working, then you can learn about it, how you manifest it, how you use it. First, when electricity was discovered, nobody knew that it will have so many uses. But then you discover how many uses it has. But here, you don’t even have to discover it. If it is told that this has this use, you just try and see for yourself, it has or not. It’s like, you get, say, a car, you purchase a car and they give you everything in writing: now try this one. If you should press this button, that will happen. If you should press that button, that will happen.In the same way, the whole thing is invented, completely decorated for you to use this power within you, to manoeuvre it, to handle it and to manifest it. We have no self-esteem. If we had self-esteem, we should understand that God has created you with such difficulties, whatever it is. Thousands of times, thousands of years it has taken for you to become a human being. And that you must be something special, much higher than animals, no doubt about it; and that it should happen to you. It is He who loves you. It is He who is the father. His compassion, love and the greatest father that you could think of, who wants to share. He wants to give His kingdom to you. You must have that self-esteem that you are a human being. I think somehow, perhaps, because of these conditionings you have had, you think, “How can we get Realization so easily?” You can’t believe it. You don’t want to believe it. You think, ‘How can we be Realized so easily?” Because everything you do in life, you think you have to struggle. But there are so many things you don’t do with struggle; like, you get a fruit without any struggle. Even if you breath, all your autonomous nervous system works without any struggle. You eat and the food is digested automatically. You don’t have to struggle for it, you don’t have to jump or do jogging or anything like that. It just works out.We should understand it is the blessing, it’s the blessing. People have become so much science oriented that they have forgotten that science also is a blessing. Science is a blessing now. For example, see this photograph of mine here. I had gone to a village and the village, which had no electricity, nothing, had a very old building of a school, I was sitting outside.And the photograph caught on these falling rains, the photograph! Your camera has caught it. I went to Hong Kong on the Television, and they asked me, because the person who was owning the television, his daughter, invited me. And she said, "Mother, can we ask people to put their hands towards you, like this?" I said, "All right. Let’s start." And they got Realization, so many of them! They wrote letters that, "We got Realization." On the television!Even on the telephone, you can give Realization, on the telephone you can save people.All this science has created, it’s for Sahaja Yogis and for Sahaja Yoga. It is a blessing to communicate the message. But, people are so blind, so blind that they think all this has been given to us to make more money and to create more plastics. [Laughter] They cannot believe that this is to communicate about God’s love, His compassion and that security that is from the most loving father you could think of. It is beyond human conception to understand His compassion, I accept. But still you see compassion in life and if he is the source of compassion then what must be His level of compassion? Now as it is he [Warren] has told you all about this quite a lot [the subtle system] and I have also yesterday told you and he said that I have only one more lecture to cover the whole subject, I don’t know what’s going to happen, how far I can go with people in New York. I think we may have one more lecture when I come back, one more lecture might be. But today I think I should talk to you about the Self, first of all, then about all these things, it will be a better idea. Now what is the Self within you? Self is the reflection of God Almighty. First, let us see how the creation came into being. In the beginning or in the end because there is no beginning and there is no end. Like you cannot say, “Hen came first, it came first or the egg”, it’s something like that. It started at a point, you see, when it was just all quiet. And the whole creation becomes untroubled, or we can say, it is sleeping. Everything is sleeping, like we sleep so the whole world sleeps for instance. That is a state that’s called as Parabrahma in Sanskrit language. It’s the first. Now, in the Bible, whatever is written is very telescopic and very fast. And to understand it I am just trying to enlarge it that where ever are the missing points, you can put them up.Now the first state is of Parabrahma is a state where everything is not manifesting, everything is sleeping. Then this Parabrahma becomes aware of Itself that It awakens as we awaken. Then It starts manifesting. All the awareness, the consciousness of that starts accumulating on the periphery and the centre remains as the Subject. The periphery now is the Power of that Subject. So we had the subject, the God Almighty, is called as Sadashiva and His Power that is the Primordial Power, in Sanskrit is called as Adi Shakti, and we call it as Holy Ghost in the Bible. So, they separate, I mean it’s a – some drawings have to be made, but doesn’t matter now- I'll just tell you in short. And this Spectator, this Sadashiva, this God Almighty starts watching his own Power. Now we cannot understand the complete concord and complete understanding, complete oneness and integration between these two entities, God Almighty and His Power. It’s like the Sun and his rays or sunshine, Moon and moonlight, but even more than that. Nothing can come in between them. They are absolutely in unison with each other and everything works simultaneously. In human relationship, no husband and wife can be like that, it’s impossible. Then the Spectator, Sadashiva, forces his Power, which forms an entity, to create. First, She refuses. And then He gives Her- I mean in a very poetic way- it’s called as a Lasya, means a launch. And that gives the first sound, Omkara. That’s the first, logos, the first sound, the Word. That’s the Word She says, She creates. Then She starts creating. She creates, She divides Herself. First of all, She is nothing but the Power of desire. Because, first it is to be desired! It’s the God’s desire! She exists as a desire. Unless and until there is desire, nothing can work out. So She is the Power of desire, like we have also the Power of desire within us. Then from this desire, comes the other Power which makes it an act. So the other Power of action comes in. These two Powers bring forth a system in between themselves like left and right, which starts giving sustenance to things that have been created. As I told you that carbon has four valences, it’s a tetravalent, I don’t know if you people have studied chemistry or not, there’s a chemical periodic table if you see, it’s all divided so beautifully and it is so well arranged, that one has to believe that there is a great Juggler or a great Planner who has done it, otherwise it’s not possible. It’s so well arranged! The whole valences system and everything is so well arranged. All this is done by the central path which gives them the sustenance, the quality that they have. Then the sustenance starts growing till you become a human being as shown here [on the chart]. In this Void, here as carbon then you move into the Void and here you go through all the evolution starting from a fish up to the human level where you become a small man. Once you become the small man, Vamana, is called that. First the man who came on this earth was a small statured man. Then a man came who was Parashurama, a very, very – Poseidon, a very large man, a huge man. Two extremes. And then, came the man who was in the centre. And the leadership of all this evolution was done by the Incarnation of the aspect which is the evolutionary aspect. So the first aspect She creates is the desire aspect. When the desire dies, the whole thing is destroyed. And the Spectator is watching it. Spectator has a desire. As long as the Spectator is happy, the play goes on. As soon as He doesn’t like the spectacle, He disappears. As soon as He disappears, then the whole show is over. It’s for that only Spectator the whole show is there. So this Power of desire has to be till the end. Once the Power of desire is finished, then there is no more show; there’s no more Spectator, there’s no more His Power, they’re all merge together and again become the Parabrahma status. Now the other Power, as I said, which is the aspect of creation so the Creator aspect is there. One is the one which is the existence and the other side of the existence is the Destroyer. And then another aspect is of the Creator and the central one is the Sustainer, is the Protector. Out of these, this one incarnates, only one aspect because it has to give a quality and the leadership. For example, when there was a great flood, then He [Vishnu] incarnated. He incarnated as a fish and the dolphin-fish. Dolphin. I don’t know if you know about dolphins or not. But dolphin is a mammal and is a friend of human beings. So He incarnated as a dolphin-fish and saved the boat [Noah’s Ark]. As you know, there was a boat in which people were saved. He saved the boat. He is the dolphin who incarnated on this Earth. One by one, He incarnates. Then He incarnates as a turtle, four legged which comes out of the water to show the fishes that you can come out. Then, gradually He incarnates as a quadruped. Like that, the Incarnations — He comes as a leader. Somebody has to give that confidence. One fish comes and takes them out and others come, they follow them up. As they go on improving, every time there is an Incarnation. And between one Incarnation and another Incarnation, there is a very great time and that is called as 'Yugas'. Like that, these Incarnations come on this Earth. Plus the incarnations of the Primordial Being come in this area [Void] – where we can say this is the Ocean of Illusions – and try to save the people from getting too much to that side [right] or to this side [left] as I told you yesterday. And that time, when they become human beings, then the seekers are born, which you are, which are the epitome, epitome of human evolution. Now these seekers are engulfed by forces of ignorance and these ignorance forces also form anti-Christ. They can be devilish because they think, “Why are we not there?” like a competition setting. And they try to retard the progress of the saints. That’s why a seeker, when he’s born, is attacked, from very childhood, immediately he is attacked. Even the parents may attack the seeker. They may act through the parents. If not the parents, then the society, the schools. They’re all the time attacked. The people who are attacking may not be aware of it but they are used as mediums and these people are attacked. And with that attack, when they are absolutely in a mess, and they don’t know how to save themselves, then, another Incarnation is specially made, is the One that manifest here [Shri Mataji points at the fourth chakra on chart], who is the desire Power of God, but is the Destroyer part, who is born to destroy these evil forces, to kill them. This is fourteen thousand years back, the first incarnation of this great Lady. She’s called as Jagadamba, the Mother of this world. She comes in there [centre heart]. She saves them. Today is the first day, we celebrated the first day of an Incarnation and that is a very, very important day for Indians, because they believe in Shakti and She is the Shakti, that she came on this earth to kill these horrible devilish incarnations who are called as rakshasas. So, this part is represented within us at the heart level in the center, in the vertical column and it manifests in the children till the age of twelve in the sternum and creates antibodies. She creates Her army as the antibodies. Till the age of twelve years the children develop those antibodies within themselves and whenever there is a danger, whether it is physical, emotional or spiritual danger, these antibodies fight. That’s why, when you are frightened, the sternum starts breathing fast and informs that all the antibodies should join hands to protect the subject. These antibodies are created here [centre heart]. And the left-hand side, left had side of this [left heart] is the essence of Motherhood. If in your childhood, your Mother had played a role which has given you fears or kind of a frightening experience, then this center goes out. We say the left heart is catching. Sometimes, if you are a bad mother also it might catch. The right heart is the one, is that of the father. And the fatherhood is expressed by the leader who came on this earth about 8 thousand years back, who is called as Shri Rama. He is not - if you see here, He’s in the center [Shri Mataji shows the center heart]. To make him a complete human being, He was pushed onto the right-hand side. He is shri Rama. Shri Rama came on this earth to establish the institution of benevolent king. The political development and the political evolution started from his side. He is the one who gave leadership as a benevolent king, the one who represents God and who is a king. The idea of a king related to God came from Shri Rama. But the modern Kings are not like that, they have no relation with God. On the contrary, they are horrid people. Some of them are nothing but satanic people, absolutely Satan is there and you can see from the way they lead their lives and they have led their life before. So the benevolence of Shri Rama is here to be followed by all the political leaders and all the people who are at the helm of affairs. He is the ideal that was created for human beings, to run their authority as the head, or the loving compassionate benevolent leader of the people, who has to govern them by making them respectful, by respect. And if human beings create such kings who are not respectable, those who have no human values, those who have no moral courage, those who are selfish, those who are self-centred, then they have nothing to do to be there. So this is the position of Rama who is the father. So the head of every state has to be the father of his subjects, that’s what He has tried to show by his life. So much so that He had to sacrifice his beloved Wife, whom He loved so much. But these days, you know, how people do for their own children, they’ll sell the whole country. In our India, they do it. Here it’s just the other way round, nobody cares for children at all and nobody knows whose children they are. But in India it’s the other way round, that they will even sell their country for their children. All these two extremes go against the character of Shri Rama. Now this is the character that was created 8 thousand years back. So I’ve explaining to you all these things. Now this is the heart. In the heart resides the Spirit. The Spirit is watching the game of this creation, and is watching what is happening to this person, this person, to this person, to this person. Everybody has got in their heart the Spirit which is watching; it’s called as the 'cetana' [consciousness], means the one, 'the knower of the field'. He’s watching; every minute he knows what you do, when you go, what mistakes you create. He watches you. He doesn’t interfere. He’s only- the interference comes from here, from that thing. He tries to give you conscience, he tries to improve you. From here sometimes [Mooladhara chakra], the wisdom part, he tries to tell you, “Be in the center” by punishing you and showing it is wrong. But he’s just watching the game, “Let’s see how far it goes.” He is the knower of your field. He is the Universal Being within you. He is the reflection of that God Almighty who’s the Spectator within you. And His Power is this All-pervading Power which has created all this [the subtle system]. So to feel this All-pervading Power, you have to become the Spirit. All this creation has no meaning if you do not become the Spirit. In the Vedas, the first, the very first stanza says that, "By reading Vedas, if you do not become Vedis [wise men] -Vedinies- Veda word comes from vidya, vidya means to know; if you don’t become the knowledge, then it has no meaning. But knowledge doesn’t lie in dancing and shouting and all the monkey tricks that people do; it’s no monkey tricks there. Knowledge is that you become the Self, you feel the All-pervading Power and by which you know everything else. That is Self-knowledge and that is what we have to achieve. If you do not want to become your Spirit, I’m sorry, I’ve nothing to offer. If you have some other things in your mind, you can go away from here, but no use arguing it, there should be no argument about it. If you don’t want to become, I have nothing to say, I’ve nothing else to offer or to request you. I would request you that you become your Spirit, then we’ll talk about it. And when you become your Spirit – there’s a very good book written by Adi Shankaracharya in the 6 century, the one who was the first Adi Shankaracharya. Nowadays all of them are horrible ones. One of them is now making a big umbrella of gold set with diamonds, imagine! He’s a short fellow, I said, "This umbrella will fall upon him one day". He is trying to compete with Pope. And this Adi Shankaracharya has said that nothing can work it out, no Yoge, no shankye, [Sankhya, Yoga]. No, all these philosophies are useless. It only works out- no discipline, nothing- by the Grace of the Mother; by the Grace of the Mother who is the Kundalini herself, She’s the Primordial Kundalini. Only by the awakening of the Kundalini it works out. It’s clearly given but you people do not read those books. Today is the name of the Goddess. Ten of them are nothing but the different chakras, where She resides in the Mooladhara. She resides in the Swadishthana. She resides in the Manipura. She resides in the - what you call- this Hridaya [heart] chakra. Then She resides in the Vishuddhi, then into Agnya, and then into Sahasrara. All these names are given there. Of course, it was not so clearly said as it is said today because the time was not there to say. But all these things are there: how she rises, how she breaks all these “granthis” which are between these two chakras, are the “granthis” means the knots. It’s so clearly given. It’s never given that you start jumping like a monkey, or you take out your clothes, all this nonsense is not there, on the contrary, it is said that this is all possession. You get “bhootagrasta”, means you get possessed by the dead. It’s so clearly given! But people don’t read these books: they jump onto people who have come here to show some sort of a mesmerism and accept it. But you are seekers. I would request you, you are seekers, first of all know that you are seekers and don’t be deluded by these false tricks. Do not waste your energy on these false things, you become your Self. Of course, it goes without saying that the change, the transformation, comes in, in your awareness first of all, in your awareness. Not in jumping and none of all these nonsensical things. I mean people think that if you become a stupid fellow, then your awareness has improved. Transformed, after all, after all you are transformed, you see, you were a sane person, you’ve become stupid. You are transformed in any case. If you become mad, then is it a greater transformation. Mother says, “All right, transformation. You have become mad!". You're sane people, you are landing in a lunatic asylum, you are transformed. And also transmutation has taken place. "Because now we wear dresses like lunatic people, we behave like lunatic people, transformation has taken place". It’s an ascent of the mind, you have to ascend. Your awareness has to ascend and not to descend. It’s very easy to descend. To move on to the left or to the right is not the way, but to move here [above Sahasrara] into Super Consciousness. And that’s one thing one should know, should happen to you. That is the Self-knowledge. That is the thing one has to get, is to awaken these centres within you which are represented on your fingers here, seven of these are shown here and then to feel the All-pervading Power to begin with. Once it has happened, then to know how to discern how to decode, how to find out, how to improve, how to go further with it. First of all, get the connection! If your car has not yet started, what are you doing about it? It’s so simple and such a common sense, but I don’t know how these people have taken over it. The only problem, as I told you before, is this, that God has given you freedom. And that freedom is to be respected. But if you go to these people, you don’t ask any questions, you do as others are doing, just like monkeys, you don’t even think why they are doing it. I mean you see that it is so filthy! Like a gentleman who came to me, who went to a guru, and he was absolutely ruined. I said, “How could you do it? You are an Indian. Don’t you know that this is not to be done?” He said, “I just tried to see. Just out of curiosity I went there. And then I also started jumping and I got into it". And for five years he was in it, he could not know that he was in it. I said for Indians they have some wisdom because they have read all these things, they know all about it. “How could you do it?” They know that unholiness is not the way to God. Now, some of them can give you also an explanation that all your- you are to be cleansed. And you pay for it as if you go to some a laundry here, you pay for it, you put yourself into it, go into some turnings and you become cleansed. You are to be cleansed. You must see their life pattern, you see, you must see how they live. The person who cannot even smell a flower how can he cleanse you?” He himself needs a lot of treatment. Flower he cannot smell, can you imagine a man like that who cannot smell a flower? I mean he’s a dumb personality I would say, the most beautiful thing that is produced is a flower, how is he going to feel the human flowers? How is he going to enjoy? A person who cannot take out his goggles from his eyes and can’t face people, how can you believe that such a man could be something holy? Any holy person doesn’t have this kind of eyes. One has to know that if the person doesn’t lead a holy life and parasites, greedy people, asking for money and Roll Royce and things like that how such people, you think they can be a guru? You have no self-esteem I should say. They are absolutely devils. But the problem in this, for me, the problem is very, very different. Krishna has said, “Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata, Paritranaya sadhunang vinashay cha dushkritam, sambhabami yuge” [Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4, Verse 7-8] He said that, "Whenever there is the degradation of the sustenance, then, to save the Saints and to kill the Satanics, I come on this earth and take a form". Now the problem is, all the Saints have got these Satanics in their heads. My problem is very complicated. I know they are Saints. I know there are the ones who are seekers and have been for ages, but they are impressed by the Satanics and the Satanics are ruling. So if any- if the question of killing, 'samarak', of Krishna comes in, you see, even if they are killed, they are in your brains, then how can you kill? They have to go out of your brain. The complicated structure today of the seekers is this, that in their brains they have got all the Satanics centred, they cannot get rid of it. They are so impressed! Yesterday the fellow said, “But Mother, everything is good, there is nothing like evil.” I said, “Really?” Look at that! To believe in such a thing that there is no evil itself is such a dangerous situation. Then why do you need discriminate? Then go ahead! Whether you go to Hell or to heaven what does it matter? If there is no evil, enjoy your Hell! Have a holiday! [laughter] Christ has so many times said about the Satan. Not only but He said that the Satan tried to tempt Him. He has talked of Satan and still, how do you believe that there is no evil? I just can’t understand. There is not only evil but the darkness is so great that we are standing at a point so precariously placed, very precarious placed that people are more impressed by evil than by good. See how many people we are. Just see for yourself. Here we are for reality, you cannot pay for anything, you get your Realization, fifty per cent people have got Realization here, but how many people there are? And they have no patience even to sit down but I’ve known people: “I’ve been with a guru for 8 years. He is in my heart”. The heart is all catching and you’re fainting all the time with the guru being there. The very big problem which you should realize these are all saints. My only concern is to save them. There are very subtle methods of sabotaging of destroying the work of God. And you should know, when you get your Realization, that you have to become strong pillars of God’s work and not indulging into frivolous, useless, cheep things. But get to it, learn it, master it. You’ll become your own master. These gurus who have no powers, nothing, they have become gurus and have minted so much money out of you and you are the people who are Realized souls and you are so quiet. You should shout at the top of houses and say that these are false people, these are fake people. Christ himself has said that there will be false and fake gurus. And then people said that, "Why are you talking against them?" He said, "The Satan is not going to talk against himself, his house". He said it clearly. And when people tell me, “Mother, don’t talk against them” I say, I always tell them, “I’ll talk, not only talk. But where ever it is possible, I'll tell them definitely, I'll verily say that these are Satan whom I know now for ages, for thousands of years, I’ve known them, each one of them, all their tricks I know. I know what they do to you. And don’t listen to them that they are cleansing you. Let them cleanse themselves and repent so that they don’t go back into hell permanently". So here, at this stage of the Mother, She’s terrific. She protects you. She has many antibodies. Actually, these antibodies were created at a particular time when it was said that there was a Satan who could not be killed by the quadruped and the people who have two legs like human beings. So She created a special type of a – gnat, you call that gnat? A black thing, with six legs, and She killed him. And these antibodies are those with the six legs. And they worked it out. There are there [center heart] and She’s the one who protects us. Now, coming to the gross level, when a lady is worried about her security, which is very common in America, because husbands, if they have flirts, if they have no time for their wives, and if all the time, they tell the wife that, "You may have to leave the house", they develop the fear in this area [heart centre]. And the disease which is caused by that is breast cancer, which is very common in America, breast cancer. Breast cancer is caused to women who have a sense of insecurity. In Sahaja Yoga you can cure breast cancer, it’s very easy to cure breast cancer in Sahaja Yoga. Now the combination of this and this gives you asthma. Among men who have asthma, they must look after their fatherhood. Their own father- supposing somebody’s father is dead without the knowledge of the man or the father can possess also. In that case, you get this kind of a thing. Surprisingly, recently in London, one doctor, I don’t know how, he experimented with a lady that was suffering from anorexia. Her father had died and she would not eat her food. And many of them are like that whose father has died, they suffer from anorexia. And he said, “All right, let us see about your father. Let us do some sort of a ceremony for him.” And she started eating all right, it’s most surprising. It came in the paper that he did that. That is how you can cure such women who suffer from the deficiency of a fatherhood; or maybe we can say, if the father possessed you, if the child is thinking of the father all the time, all these things can be cured in Sahaja Yoga, which, I’m sure, when you will go further in the studies of Sahaja Yoga, you will learn one by one, how to cure such people who have these diseases. Now, I think I’ll leave these three centers for tomorrow and I’ll try to cover it up. But this is the Spirit that is still watching. When the Kundalini –this is the seat of the Spirit - [Shri Mataji places her hand above Sahasrara] – when the Kundalini rises and she touches that seat, immediately you get connected to the Spirit. And the Spirit, which is this All-pervading Power, starts flowing through your hands as well as you start feeling it outside. The Spectator, the Witness, who was outside our central nervous system, now comes into our central nervous system and we know everything about it, as we start using this power of Spirit. If you remember, Christ was touched by some woman who was sick, and He felt the power flew to her and this is the same thing. But Christ was different, He was All Pervading power, He was Omkara, that’s why He could walk on the water. But about Christ and about Shri Krishna, I’ll tell you later on, tomorrow, if you don’t mind. I hope I’ve been able to explain many things to you, but if you have any questions you can ask me now and then we’ll start the workshop of Realization. In any case, tomorrow morning again, I will be available in the hotel. I don’t go out anywhere except for today I had this special occasion. And I would like to attend to you personally. May God bless you. If you want to ask any questions, please ask. Shri Mataji to someone: You are a real questioner every time. Seeker: [Inaudible]; very nice. Shri Mataji: Have you found the lady or not for yourself? Seeker: Yes….[Inaudible] I start to see negativity in myself. Shri Mataji: You’re seeing all that. That ‘s what happens. You start seeing your ego you start seeing your negativity, you start facing it. Now you are out of it. You are out of yourself.Sahaja Yogi: I also feel much lighter […]

Public Program Day 6, during America Tour, "East West Center, 141, 5th avenue", New York (USA), 29 September 1981. [First Warren introduced Sahaja Yoga] Doctor Warren has clearly told you about these subtle bodies within us. And we should think why this subtle body was created? What was the need to create this body within us and how it was created? These, all these centers, are the milestones of our evolution. And as we started growing, higher and higher, developing higher and higher awareness, we developed all these centers one by one. And at the human level it’s this center where the man raised his head up. Still why? What was the need to create a human being? Supposing I’m trying to get some nuts, bolts and things, and try to fix them up, make it into a good instrument. One would ask what are you doing? Why are you assembling all this, what are you making out of it? After all, it cannot be a waste, why such a special thing has been made, for what purpose? And that is what we have not yet discovered, what is our purpose. But if you go to any of the Scriptures, you’ll find out that they have said, all of them have said, that you have to become your Self. That there is All-pervading Power around us. Now this All-pervading Power we cannot see. It exists. As they say, if you have to believe it, or not. But we should find out if there is such a Power or not. For example, if I say that there are lots of beautiful pictures and beautiful music in his area, you won’t believe it. But if I get you a television set and if I plug it to the main, you starts seeing that it is receiving something. In the same way, when you become connected with the whole, then what should happen to you is that you start feeling that All-pervading Power. This is Self-knowledge. And it’s written at length, very clearly, by many people in the Indian Scriptures. The reason was, the people who came in the other parts of the world had such a tough time, they were not given any chance to say anything much about it. Hardly they could utter anything and they were crucified, poisoned, beaten up, tortured, all kinds of problems they were given. So this has to happen within us that you we should feel this All-pervading Power. The other day, we had two persons from a guru and they said, "How can it be only this cool breeze that is coming in us, is something?" For a human being, to conceive something about God, is to go to scriptures which have lasted for all these ages, to find out one of the leader- one authorities you can have. Now, it is said that there is All-pervading Power in all the scriptures. Now supposing, by going to somebody, he says, "I give you power called, so called 'shaktipat' [descent of power from above for emancipation (tantra)] ". And he just starts jumping like a mad horse or a like a mad monkey. And you say, "It is shaktipat!" And you have vigorous movements and all kinds of acrobats you fall into and you believe that this is shakti. And then, by the time it is over, you are exhausted and finished. How can that be a shaktipat? The idea of energy within us is not horse energy by which a horse can run very fast, that’s physical energy, we should understand. That's just a 'prana shakti', part of this [right channel] - just part of this path. It’s just a physical energy. Now human beings don’t need a horse power, do they? You have already got big cars here which have tremendous horse powers. You don’t have to become horses now, or bulls or some sort of an animal, [Shri Mataji laughs]. Our idea of a Superman is that he will have such power that he can lift the whole building and throw away somewhere. All such absurd ideas should be given up and [you] should understand that’s physical wellbeing so that you can feel the blessings – the blessings of your Spirit. Blessing work, an animal doesn’t understand; but a human being must understand that when he gets spiritually endowed and spiritually blessed, then, first thing he should have is a physical wellbeing. That doesn’t mean that he becomes a wrestler, That doesn’t mean that his body will be so built that if he slaps somebody, then the other person will die. On the contrary, you become such a powerful personality that if somebody slaps him, for him it’s nothing, it is all nonsense. So the concept of human beings can be from the kind of life they lead, the kind of media they face, the kind of identification the society has, all kinds of things could be there. For example, for Japanese children, I was amazed, for them the idea of a Superman is that he should look like a ghost, he should at least ten times bigger than a normal human being. And that’s what they think they should achieve. Because I studied their media, specially their cinema and most of them have produced these phantom ideas. We don’t become phantoms that is one thing one should know. Neither we become agitated – how can we become agitated? We are in bliss and peace. If you start just gesticulating and sort of shouting and screaming like mad, then how can that be a 'shaktipat'? It’s madness, you are possessed, it’s possession on you. Anywhere you go anybody who’s possessed, you go and see lunatics, they do the same. You pay these people to become lunatics, to believe that they have given you a power, it’s absurd. All these people if you look at them, they are sickly people, they are reclusive, they are actually frightened, some of them are even frightened of a garlic, as I told you.So the Realization, if it comes to you, the chakras which are placed on your fingers, should be enlightened, minimum of minimum and that you should be able to feel this All-pervading Power that is there. This is Self-knowledge, this is “atma bodha”. Bodha means to know; to know, to feel that power. Even, after Realization, [Cut in the video …] When you grow a little bit more, you will start seeing comma like powers, it’s just like, you can say a – in English I don’t know- small sparklers of commas, you can see it clearly. You can also see the Kundalinis of the people. You can also see a good soul and a bad soul like dots, you can clearly start seeing, once you get your Realization, when you are at that level, you start seeing. But if you get possessed, say you are on the left-hand side, then what will you see? You’ll see ghosts walking into your house. You’ll say your room is lifted up. Suddenly you’ll find your body is taken away and you are somewhere hanging. All these are very, very dangerous things about which people are not aware. Never go near these things and these people. Recently there’s a big disease that has started, which is a very dangerous disease I don’t know if you people, are aware of it or not. That when small children are sleeping in the day time, say they are in Switzerland. And say their mother may be in America. The timings are different. That time, it may be the night and here it may be the day time. And the mother goes to a clairvoyant and says that: "I would like to speak to my child". "All right". So the child is sleeping and this clairvoyant gets a soul around, and asks the soul to get the soul of the child and the mother can hear the voice of the child, sitting down here. "Oh, I’m speaking without any telecommunication I’m talking to this child". And it’s very common that the child dies in sleep and the mother doesn’t know. Because the soul has to return, and if it does not return properly, if something goes wrong in his return, the child suffers and also, the soul suffers in any case when it leaves the body [inaudible] and it is very dangerous to human life.And we go headlong into it and we destroy ourselves. They are very, very cunning people, I tell you. Yesterday, those two people who were discussing me, arguing with me, they told me that their guru thinks very highly of me. And there also, people have heard they told me that our guru said that you don’t go to Her, because She will only accept you if you are absolutely purified and we have to purify you. All this is nonsense. These people are just playing tricks on your mind. The purification takes when the Kundalini rises. She purifies you. Because you come to know about yourself when the Kundalini rises, face the problem. And once you know the problem you correct yourselves. Kundalini awakening gives you the judgement of your own Self as if you are going in the car and you get out of the car to see what’s wrong with the car. It is very simple when the Kundalini rises to correct you. For example, supposing there’s a person who smokes too much. I may tell him don’t smoke, don’t smoke, all that. He gets tired of me, run away, won’t see me again. There is no need to tell you don’t smoke. Once you get your Self Realization, you won’t smoke at all. Little willpower will work it out, in the first instance. But even if it doesn’t act, the first instance, gradually you will just drop it out because of transmutation that takes place. So we have to see that when we say that we have got some sort of a shakti or a power within us, we should become master of ourselves, of our greed, of our desires and of our aggressive nature. We should become the master of that. Unless and until that happens to us, how should we believe that it is innate power and that we should feel this All-pervading, blissful Power around us. Unless and until you’re awakened to that, how can you see? Unless and until your eyes are open, how will you see that? And that awakening is enlightenment. Now you are so beautifully made inside see, already you are made like that. [Shri Mataji shows the subtle system chart] Already you are made like that. Except that if you are not ruining it, by breaking it completely, you are there! His made [unsure], for which you have not paid anything. You are putting no effort, no jumping, nothing. You have become a human being from a monkey, without cutting your tails. Automatically, spontaneously. And if you have to become anything higher, you will become, spontaneously. The only difference is that, at this stage of evolution, you have been given your freedom to choose. Because at a high level when you will move, you have to be free people. And that freedom is to be respected. This is one point. And the second point is that your Realization has to take place in your human awareness, you should know! When you became a human being from a monkey stage, you never knew how you became. But now you must know. Because you must know that there is God and you must know that his power is flowing to you. That’s why one should understand what we should expect when we get our Realization? Of course, as we said, that when you start getting the power within you, once it starts working, then you can learn about it, how you manifest it, how you use it. First, when electricity was discovered, nobody knew that it will have so many uses. But then you discover how many uses it has. But here, you don’t even have to discover it. If it is told that this has this use, you just try and see for yourself, it has or not. It’s like, you get, say, a car, you purchase a car and they give you everything in writing: now try this one. If you should press this button, that will happen. If you should press that button, that will happen.In the same way, the whole thing is invented, completely decorated for you to use this power within you, to manoeuvre it, to handle it and to manifest it. We have no self-esteem. If we had self-esteem, we should understand that God has created you with such difficulties, whatever it is. Thousands of times, thousands of years it has taken for you to become a human being. And that you must be something special, much higher than animals, no doubt about it; and that it should happen to you. It is He who loves you. It is He who is the father. His compassion, love and the greatest father that you could think of, who wants to share. He wants to give His kingdom to you. You must have that self-esteem that you are a human being. I think somehow, perhaps, because of these conditionings you have had, you think, “How can we get Realization so easily?” You can’t believe it. You don’t want to believe it. You think, ‘How can we be Realized so easily?” Because everything you do in life, you think you have to struggle. But there are so many things you don’t do with struggle; like, you get a fruit without any struggle. Even if you breath, all your autonomous nervous system works without any struggle. You eat and the food is digested automatically. You don’t have to struggle for it, you don’t have to jump or do jogging or anything like that. It just works out.We should understand it is the blessing, it’s the blessing. People have become so much science oriented that they have forgotten that science also is a blessing. Science is a blessing now. For example, see this photograph of mine here. I had gone to a village and the village, which had no electricity, nothing, had a very old building of a school, I was sitting outside.And the photograph caught on these falling rains, the photograph! Your camera has caught it. I went to Hong Kong on the Television, and they asked me, because the person who was owning the television, his daughter, invited me. And she said, "Mother, can we ask people to put their hands towards you, like this?" I said, "All right. Let’s start." And they got Realization, so many of them! They wrote letters that, "We got Realization." On the television!Even on the telephone, you can give Realization, on the telephone you can save people.All this science has created, it’s for Sahaja Yogis and for Sahaja Yoga. It is a blessing to communicate the message. But, people are so blind, so blind that they think all this has been given to us to make more money and to create more plastics. [Laughter] They cannot believe that this is to communicate about God’s love, His compassion and that security that is from the most loving father you could think of. It is beyond human conception to understand His compassion, I accept. But still you see compassion in life and if he is the source of compassion then what must be His level of compassion? Now as it is he [Warren] has told you all about this quite a lot [the subtle system] and I have also yesterday told you and he said that I have only one more lecture to cover the whole subject, I don’t know what’s going to happen, how far I can go with people in New York. I think we may have one more lecture when I come back, one more lecture might be. But today I think I should talk to you about the Self, first of all, then about all these things, it will be a better idea. Now what is the Self within you? Self is the reflection of God Almighty. First, let us see how the creation came into being. In the beginning or in the end because there is no beginning and there is no end. Like you cannot say, “Hen came first, it came first or the egg”, it’s something like that. It started at a point, you see, when it was just all quiet. And the whole creation becomes untroubled, or we can say, it is sleeping. Everything is sleeping, like we sleep so the whole world sleeps for instance. That is a state that’s called as Parabrahma in Sanskrit language. It’s the first. Now, in the Bible, whatever is written is very telescopic and very fast. And to understand it I am just trying to enlarge it that where ever are the missing points, you can put them up.Now the first state is of Parabrahma is a state where everything is not manifesting, everything is sleeping. Then this Parabrahma becomes aware of Itself that It awakens as we awaken. Then It starts manifesting. All the awareness, the consciousness of that starts accumulating on the periphery and the centre remains as the Subject. The periphery now is the Power of that Subject. So we had the subject, the God Almighty, is called as Sadashiva and His Power that is the Primordial Power, in Sanskrit is called as Adi Shakti, and we call it as Holy Ghost in the Bible. So, they separate, I mean it’s a – some drawings have to be made, but doesn’t matter now- I'll just tell you in short. And this Spectator, this Sadashiva, this God Almighty starts watching his own Power. Now we cannot understand the complete concord and complete understanding, complete oneness and integration between these two entities, God Almighty and His Power. It’s like the Sun and his rays or sunshine, Moon and moonlight, but even more than that. Nothing can come in between them. They are absolutely in unison with each other and everything works simultaneously. In human relationship, no husband and wife can be like that, it’s impossible. Then the Spectator, Sadashiva, forces his Power, which forms an entity, to create. First, She refuses. And then He gives Her- I mean in a very poetic way- it’s called as a Lasya, means a launch. And that gives the first sound, Omkara. That’s the first, logos, the first sound, the Word. That’s the Word She says, She creates. Then She starts creating. She creates, She divides Herself. First of all, She is nothing but the Power of desire. Because, first it is to be desired! It’s the God’s desire! She exists as a desire. Unless and until there is desire, nothing can work out. So She is the Power of desire, like we have also the Power of desire within us. Then from this desire, comes the other Power which makes it an act. So the other Power of action comes in. These two Powers bring forth a system in between themselves like left and right, which starts giving sustenance to things that have been created. As I told you that carbon has four valences, it’s a tetravalent, I don’t know if you people have studied chemistry or not, there’s a chemical periodic table if you see, it’s all divided so beautifully and it is so well arranged, that one has to believe that there is a great Juggler or a great Planner who has done it, otherwise it’s not possible. It’s so well arranged! The whole valences system and everything is so well arranged. All this is done by the central path which gives them the sustenance, the quality that they have. Then the sustenance starts growing till you become a human being as shown here [on the chart]. In this Void, here as carbon then you move into the Void and here you go through all the evolution starting from a fish up to the human level where you become a small man. Once you become the small man, Vamana, is called that. First the man who came on this earth was a small statured man. Then a man came who was Parashurama, a very, very – Poseidon, a very large man, a huge man. Two extremes. And then, came the man who was in the centre. And the leadership of all this evolution was done by the Incarnation of the aspect which is the evolutionary aspect. So the first aspect She creates is the desire aspect. When the desire dies, the whole thing is destroyed. And the Spectator is watching it. Spectator has a desire. As long as the Spectator is happy, the play goes on. As soon as He doesn’t like the spectacle, He disappears. As soon as He disappears, then the whole show is over. It’s for that only Spectator the whole show is there. So this Power of desire has to be till the end. Once the Power of desire is finished, then there is no more show; there’s no more Spectator, there’s no more His Power, they’re all merge together and again become the Parabrahma status. Now the other Power, as I said, which is the aspect of creation so the Creator aspect is there. One is the one which is the existence and the other side of the existence is the Destroyer. And then another aspect is of the Creator and the central one is the Sustainer, is the Protector. Out of these, this one incarnates, only one aspect because it has to give a quality and the leadership. For example, when there was a great flood, then He [Vishnu] incarnated. He incarnated as a fish and the dolphin-fish. Dolphin. I don’t know if you know about dolphins or not. But dolphin is a mammal and is a friend of human beings. So He incarnated as a dolphin-fish and saved the boat [Noah’s Ark]. As you know, there was a boat in which people were saved. He saved the boat. He is the dolphin who incarnated on this Earth. One by one, He incarnates. Then He incarnates as a turtle, four legged which comes out of the water to show the fishes that you can come out. Then, gradually He incarnates as a quadruped. Like that, the Incarnations — He comes as a leader. Somebody has to give that confidence. One fish comes and takes them out and others come, they follow them up. As they go on improving, every time there is an Incarnation. And between one Incarnation and another Incarnation, there is a very great time and that is called as 'Yugas'. Like that, these Incarnations come on this Earth. Plus the incarnations of the Primordial Being come in this area [Void] – where we can say this is the Ocean of Illusions – and try to save the people from getting too much to that side [right] or to this side [left] as I told you yesterday. And that time, when they become human beings, then the seekers are born, which you are, which are the epitome, epitome of human evolution. Now these seekers are engulfed by forces of ignorance and these ignorance forces also form anti-Christ. They can be devilish because they think, “Why are we not there?” like a competition setting. And they try to retard the progress of the saints. That’s why a seeker, when he’s born, is attacked, from very childhood, immediately he is attacked. Even the parents may attack the seeker. They may act through the parents. If not the parents, then the society, the schools. They’re all the time attacked. The people who are attacking may not be aware of it but they are used as mediums and these people are attacked. And with that attack, when they are absolutely in a mess, and they don’t know how to save themselves, then, another Incarnation is specially made, is the One that manifest here [Shri Mataji points at the fourth chakra on chart], who is the desire Power of God, but is the Destroyer part, who is born to destroy these evil forces, to kill them. This is fourteen thousand years back, the first incarnation of this great Lady. She’s called as Jagadamba, the Mother of this world. She comes in there [centre heart]. She saves them. Today is the first day, we celebrated the first day of an Incarnation and that is a very, very important day for Indians, because they believe in Shakti and She is the Shakti, that she came on this earth to kill these horrible devilish incarnations who are called as rakshasas. So, this part is represented within us at the heart level in the center, in the vertical column and it manifests in the children till the age of twelve in the sternum and creates antibodies. She creates Her army as the antibodies. Till the age of twelve years the children develop those antibodies within themselves and whenever there is a danger, whether it is physical, emotional or spiritual danger, these antibodies fight. That’s why, when you are frightened, the sternum starts breathing fast and informs that all the antibodies should join hands to protect the subject. These antibodies are created here [centre heart]. And the left-hand side, left had side of this [left heart] is the essence of Motherhood. If in your childhood, your Mother had played a role which has given you fears or kind of a frightening experience, then this center goes out. We say the left heart is catching. Sometimes, if you are a bad mother also it might catch. The right heart is the one, is that of the father. And the fatherhood is expressed by the leader who came on this earth about 8 thousand years back, who is called as Shri Rama. He is not - if you see here, He’s in the center [Shri Mataji shows the center heart]. To make him a complete human being, He was pushed onto the right-hand side. He is shri Rama. Shri Rama came on this earth to establish the institution of benevolent king. The political development and the political evolution started from his side. He is the one who gave leadership as a benevolent king, the one who represents God and who is a king. The idea of a king related to God came from Shri Rama. But the modern Kings are not like that, they have no relation with God. On the contrary, they are horrid people. Some of them are nothing but satanic people, absolutely Satan is there and you can see from the way they lead their lives and they have led their life before. So the benevolence of Shri Rama is here to be followed by all the political leaders and all the people who are at the helm of affairs. He is the ideal that was created for human beings, to run their authority as the head, or the loving compassionate benevolent leader of the people, who has to govern them by making them respectful, by respect. And if human beings create such kings who are not respectable, those who have no human values, those who have no moral courage, those who are selfish, those who are self-centred, then they have nothing to do to be there. So this is the position of Rama who is the father. So the head of every state has to be the father of his subjects, that’s what He has tried to show by his life. So much so that He had to sacrifice his beloved Wife, whom He loved so much. But these days, you know, how people do for their own children, they’ll sell the whole country. In our India, they do it. Here it’s just the other way round, nobody cares for children at all and nobody knows whose children they are. But in India it’s the other way round, that they will even sell their country for their children. All these two extremes go against the character of Shri Rama. Now this is the character that was created 8 thousand years back. So I’ve explaining to you all these things. Now this is the heart. In the heart resides the Spirit. The Spirit is watching the game of this creation, and is watching what is happening to this person, this person, to this person, to this person. Everybody has got in their heart the Spirit which is watching; it’s called as the 'cetana' [consciousness], means the one, 'the knower of the field'. He’s watching; every minute he knows what you do, when you go, what mistakes you create. He watches you. He doesn’t interfere. He’s only- the interference comes from here, from that thing. He tries to give you conscience, he tries to improve you. From here sometimes [Mooladhara chakra], the wisdom part, he tries to tell you, “Be in the center” by punishing you and showing it is wrong. But he’s just watching the game, “Let’s see how far it goes.” He is the knower of your field. He is the Universal Being within you. He is the reflection of that God Almighty who’s the Spectator within you. And His Power is this All-pervading Power which has created all this [the subtle system]. So to feel this All-pervading Power, you have to become the Spirit. All this creation has no meaning if you do not become the Spirit. In the Vedas, the first, the very first stanza says that, "By reading Vedas, if you do not become Vedis [wise men] -Vedinies- Veda word comes from vidya, vidya means to know; if you don’t become the knowledge, then it has no meaning. But knowledge doesn’t lie in dancing and shouting and all the monkey tricks that people do; it’s no monkey tricks there. Knowledge is that you become the Self, you feel the All-pervading Power and by which you know everything else. That is Self-knowledge and that is what we have to achieve. If you do not want to become your Spirit, I’m sorry, I’ve nothing to offer. If you have some other things in your mind, you can go away from here, but no use arguing it, there should be no argument about it. If you don’t want to become, I have nothing to say, I’ve nothing else to offer or to request you. I would request you that you become your Spirit, then we’ll talk about it. And when you become your Spirit – there’s a very good book written by Adi Shankaracharya in the 6 century, the one who was the first Adi Shankaracharya. Nowadays all of them are horrible ones. One of them is now making a big umbrella of gold set with diamonds, imagine! He’s a short fellow, I said, "This umbrella will fall upon him one day". He is trying to compete with Pope. And this Adi Shankaracharya has said that nothing can work it out, no Yoge, no shankye, [Sankhya, Yoga]. No, all these philosophies are useless. It only works out- no discipline, nothing- by the Grace of the Mother; by the Grace of the Mother who is the Kundalini herself, She’s the Primordial Kundalini. Only by the awakening of the Kundalini it works out. It’s clearly given but you people do not read those books. Today is the name of the Goddess. Ten of them are nothing but the different chakras, where She resides in the Mooladhara. She resides in the Swadishthana. She resides in the Manipura. She resides in the - what you call- this Hridaya [heart] chakra. Then She resides in the Vishuddhi, then into Agnya, and then into Sahasrara. All these names are given there. Of course, it was not so clearly said as it is said today because the time was not there to say. But all these things are there: how she rises, how she breaks all these “granthis” which are between these two chakras, are the “granthis” means the knots. It’s so clearly given. It’s never given that you start jumping like a monkey, or you take out your clothes, all this nonsense is not there, on the contrary, it is said that this is all possession. You get “bhootagrasta”, means you get possessed by the dead. It’s so clearly given! But people don’t read these books: they jump onto people who have come here to show some sort of a mesmerism and accept it. But you are seekers. I would request you, you are seekers, first of all know that you are seekers and don’t be deluded by these false tricks. Do not waste your energy on these false things, you become your Self. Of course, it goes without saying that the change, the transformation, comes in, in your awareness first of all, in your awareness. Not in jumping and none of all these nonsensical things. I mean people think that if you become a stupid fellow, then your awareness has improved. Transformed, after all, after all you are transformed, you see, you were a sane person, you’ve become stupid. You are transformed in any case. If you become mad, then is it a greater transformation. Mother says, “All right, transformation. You have become mad!". You're sane people, you are landing in a lunatic asylum, you are transformed. And also transmutation has taken place. "Because now we wear dresses like lunatic people, we behave like lunatic people, transformation has taken place". It’s an ascent of the mind, you have to ascend. Your awareness has to ascend and not to descend. It’s very easy to descend. To move on to the left or to the right is not the way, but to move here [above Sahasrara] into Super Consciousness. And that’s one thing one should know, should happen to you. That is the Self-knowledge. That is the thing one has to get, is to awaken these centres within you which are represented on your fingers here, seven of these are shown here and then to feel the All-pervading Power to begin with. Once it has happened, then to know how to discern how to decode, how to find out, how to improve, how to go further with it. First of all, get the connection! If your car has not yet started, what are you doing about it? It’s so simple and such a common sense, but I don’t know how these people have taken over it. The only problem, as I told you before, is this, that God has given you freedom. And that freedom is to be respected. But if you go to these people, you don’t ask any questions, you do as others are doing, just like monkeys, you don’t even think why they are doing it. I mean you see that it is so filthy! Like a gentleman who came to me, who went to a guru, and he was absolutely ruined. I said, “How could you do it? You are an Indian. Don’t you know that this is not to be done?” He said, “I just tried to see. Just out of curiosity I went there. And then I also started jumping and I got into it". And for five years he was in it, he could not know that he was in it. I said for Indians they have some wisdom because they have read all these things, they know all about it. “How could you do it?” They know that unholiness is not the way to God. Now, some of them can give you also an explanation that all your- you are to be cleansed. And you pay for it as if you go to some a laundry here, you pay for it, you put yourself into it, go into some turnings and you become cleansed. You are to be cleansed. You must see their life pattern, you see, you must see how they live. The person who cannot even smell a flower how can he cleanse you?” He himself needs a lot of treatment. Flower he cannot smell, can you imagine a man like that who cannot smell a flower? I mean he’s a dumb personality I would say, the most beautiful thing that is produced is a flower, how is he going to feel the human flowers? How is he going to enjoy? A person who cannot take out his goggles from his eyes and can’t face people, how can you believe that such a man could be something holy? Any holy person doesn’t have this kind of eyes. One has to know that if the person doesn’t lead a holy life and parasites, greedy people, asking for money and Roll Royce and things like that how such people, you think they can be a guru? You have no self-esteem I should say. They are absolutely devils. But the problem in this, for me, the problem is very, very different. Krishna has said, “Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata, Paritranaya sadhunang vinashay cha dushkritam, sambhabami yuge” [Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4, Verse 7-8] He said that, "Whenever there is the degradation of the sustenance, then, to save the Saints and to kill the Satanics, I come on this earth and take a form". Now the problem is, all the Saints have got these Satanics in their heads. My problem is very complicated. I know they are Saints. I know there are the ones who are seekers and have been for ages, but they are impressed by the Satanics and the Satanics are ruling. So if any- if the question of killing, 'samarak', of Krishna comes in, you see, even if they are killed, they are in your brains, then how can you kill? They have to go out of your brain. The complicated structure today of the seekers is this, that in their brains they have got all the Satanics centred, they cannot get rid of it. They are so impressed! Yesterday the fellow said, “But Mother, everything is good, there is nothing like evil.” I said, “Really?” Look at that! To believe in such a thing that there is no evil itself is such a dangerous situation. Then why do you need discriminate? Then go ahead! Whether you go to Hell or to heaven what does it matter? If there is no evil, enjoy your Hell! Have a holiday! [laughter] Christ has so many times said about the Satan. Not only but He said that the Satan tried to tempt Him. He has talked of Satan and still, how do you believe that there is no evil? I just can’t understand. There is not only evil but the darkness is so great that we are standing at a point so precariously placed, very precarious placed that people are more impressed by evil than by good. See how many people we are. Just see for yourself. Here we are for reality, you cannot pay for anything, you get your Realization, fifty per cent people have got Realization here, but how many people there are? And they have no patience even to sit down but I’ve known people: “I’ve been with a guru for 8 years. He is in my heart”. The heart is all catching and you’re fainting all the time with the guru being there. The very big problem which you should realize these are all saints. My only concern is to save them. There are very subtle methods of sabotaging of destroying the work of God. And you should know, when you get your Realization, that you have to become strong pillars of God’s work and not indulging into frivolous, useless, cheep things. But get to it, learn it, master it. You’ll become your own master. These gurus who have no powers, nothing, they have become gurus and have minted so much money out of you and you are the people who are Realized souls and you are so quiet. You should shout at the top of houses and say that these are false people, these are fake people. Christ himself has said that there will be false and fake gurus. And then people said that, "Why are you talking against them?" He said, "The Satan is not going to talk against himself, his house". He said it clearly. And when people tell me, “Mother, don’t talk against them” I say, I always tell them, “I’ll talk, not only talk. But where ever it is possible, I'll tell them definitely, I'll verily say that these are Satan whom I know now for ages, for thousands of years, I’ve known them, each one of them, all their tricks I know. I know what they do to you. And don’t listen to them that they are cleansing you. Let them cleanse themselves and repent so that they don’t go back into hell permanently". So here, at this stage of the Mother, She’s terrific. She protects you. She has many antibodies. Actually, these antibodies were created at a particular time when it was said that there was a Satan who could not be killed by the quadruped and the people who have two legs like human beings. So She created a special type of a – gnat, you call that gnat? A black thing, with six legs, and She killed him. And these antibodies are those with the six legs. And they worked it out. There are there [center heart] and She’s the one who protects us. Now, coming to the gross level, when a lady is worried about her security, which is very common in America, because husbands, if they have flirts, if they have no time for their wives, and if all the time, they tell the wife that, "You may have to leave the house", they develop the fear in this area [heart centre]. And the disease which is caused by that is breast cancer, which is very common in America, breast cancer. Breast cancer is caused to women who have a sense of insecurity. In Sahaja Yoga you can cure breast cancer, it’s very easy to cure breast cancer in Sahaja Yoga. Now the combination of this and this gives you asthma. Among men who have asthma, they must look after their fatherhood. Their own father- supposing somebody’s father is dead without the knowledge of the man or the father can possess also. In that case, you get this kind of a thing. Surprisingly, recently in London, one doctor, I don’t know how, he experimented with a lady that was suffering from anorexia. Her father had died and she would not eat her food. And many of them are like that whose father has died, they suffer from anorexia. And he said, “All right, let us see about your father. Let us do some sort of a ceremony for him.” And she started eating all right, it’s most surprising. It came in the paper that he did that. That is how you can cure such women who suffer from the deficiency of a fatherhood; or maybe we can say, if the father possessed you, if the child is thinking of the father all the time, all these things can be cured in Sahaja Yoga, which, I’m sure, when you will go further in the studies of Sahaja Yoga, you will learn one by one, how to cure such people who have these diseases. Now, I think I’ll leave these three centers for tomorrow and I’ll try to cover it up. But this is the Spirit that is still watching. When the Kundalini –this is the seat of the Spirit - [Shri Mataji places her hand above Sahasrara] – when the Kundalini rises and she touches that seat, immediately you get connected to the Spirit. And the Spirit, which is this All-pervading Power, starts flowing through your hands as well as you start feeling it outside. The Spectator, the Witness, who was outside our central nervous system, now comes into our central nervous system and we know everything about it, as we start using this power of Spirit. If you remember, Christ was touched by some woman who was sick, and He felt the power flew to her and this is the same thing. But Christ was different, He was All Pervading power, He was Omkara, that’s why He could walk on the water. But about Christ and about Shri Krishna, I’ll tell you later on, tomorrow, if you don’t mind. I hope I’ve been able to explain many things to you, but if you have any questions you can ask me now and then we’ll start the workshop of Realization. In any case, tomorrow morning again, I will be available in the hotel. I don’t go out anywhere except for today I had this special occasion. And I would like to attend to you personally. May God bless you. If you want to ask any questions, please ask. Shri Mataji to someone: You are a real questioner every time. Seeker: [Inaudible]; very nice. Shri Mataji: Have you found the lady or not for yourself? Seeker: Yes….[Inaudible] I start to see negativity in myself. Shri Mataji: You’re seeing all that. That ‘s what happens. You start seeing your ego you start seeing your negativity, you start facing it. Now you are out of it. You are out of yourself.Sahaja Yogi: I also feel much lighter […]

9/29/1981

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1st Day of Navaratri: Introduction to Puja

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Navaratri Puja, New York (USA), 29 September 1981. “It was so pre-planned today by the Divine, I should say, that today is a very great day. In the first advent of the Holy Ghost came on this Earth this day. That was about fourteen thousands years back. And today is the day that is celebrated as the first advent. And there are nine advents She has had, before She came as the Mahalakshmi. So first, today I will be telling you about it –how She is placed within us, where She resides, what is Her work, how She protects us. I will be today telling you on the Heart Chakra. And that’s why today they celebrate this special day of Her worship. Now, today, as some of you are new people, I would just say that you don’t think too much about it. Try to receive more vibrations. Because when all these things are done only my centers start vibrating yours and opening your centers. That’s what happens. And as you know, we have asked very few of you to come here because it is difficult for people to bare the vibrations if they are not fully prepared for it. And because of this preparation, we wanted to have some more time. But we have risked it this time. I hope you’ll be able to bare the vibrations. They will open your centers, they’ll raise your Kundalini much higher, they’ll give you a much greater dimension and also powers. But one thing is there, don’t think about it. Keep your mind away so that you receive it more and understand it more. We tried this experiment in Australia and just after Realization, within three days, so many people came not for the puja but for washing of my feet. And they got very well established in Sahaja Yoga. So it is one of the easiest way to grow. But it is to be understood, in the Western life it’s rather difficult to understand adoration, because now I am in form. I’ve came in form and you should make fully use of me. Get full advantage by exposing yourself to these powers so that they enter into your being and you are empowered much more. Alright? This is the idea. Now, this is a very secrete ceremony opened to very few Sahaja Yogis and it is done in India everywhere and we select people as I told you. Very few people are allowed to come in. Not all the people. But, as you know we had very little time, we could not sort of do that to you. So please don’t think about it, just be in thoughtless awareness and try to receive as much as you can. I would suggest those who have come for the first time should sit in front. So that it would be – please, come along. Tracy, have you attended any puja? Tracy: The Wale [?] Mother. Shri Mataji: You have, alright. Who else? Christine and you have not been to any puja. You both come forward. [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi with a Sahaja Yogi]. How many are there for the first time? Gavin? Please come, come, come forward, come forward. [Shri Mataji counts in Hindi]. Come along Barbara. Sahaja Yogi: Nine. Shri Mataji: Ah? Sahaja Yogi: Nine. Shri Mataji: Good number, nine days, nine people. It worked out. Somehow it worked out. Alright. Sahaj Yogi: [Unclear]. Some more want to come. Shri Mataji: [Unclear]. So while washing my feet, they will be reading the adoration of Shri Ganesh who is incarnated as Jesus Christ - alright? - who is embodiment of innocence. And that will be in English. Have you got that part? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: So that will be read. And I would like you to pay attention to what is - plus you have to wash my feet so that you receive your vibrations in a clear cut way. I wish you could have read Hanumana also. That would have been better than this. Ah, is he coming? This Baptist gentleman? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. [Unclear, Betani ? will come]. Shri Mataji: Alright, bring that. That Baptist should come, you know, as you said that he should come, because- Sahaja Yogi: We gave him the address. Shri Mataji: It’s quite late now, look at this. What time you told him, ten o’clock? Sahaja Yogi: Eleven. Shri Mataji: Eleven. Come along, come forcward. Barbara, you also come here. Come to sit here, you see. You also. Lady: What we’ll be doing here? Shri Mataji: [Unclear]. Three o’clock they started, there are vibrations that’s coming out, tremendous. Ah, you’re almost there, can you feel it? Try to put your hands, alright? Have you got Devi Purana? [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi with a Sahaja Yogi]. Marakandeya’s you don’t have, otherwise you could have read about Mahavishnu, about Jesus Christ, but it’s alright now. [Shri Mataji is reading a book] A lady: Is that book available? Shri Mataji: Eh? A lady: that book that you have in your hands? Sahaja Yogi: Can you buy it here? Sahaja Yogi: We certainly, we find if we can get it here. Shri Mataji:. It’s Puranic. I don’t know, I have no idea if it’s available, but it is translated. [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi with a Sahaja Yogi]. Sahaja Yogi: Devi Purana. Shri Mataji: Ne, ne. Acha, doesn’t matter. [MARATHI part]. This is, this is the book which he has got in English language, is the, is the praise of the Goddess, you see, of the Holy Ghost, you see, all that is there: how She was created, then how She get into forms, how She incarnated on this Earth, and how She killed these horrible people who were trying to, I may say we call them rakshasas or devils, we can say satanic forces, and all that is written in this book, but it is translated in that book, in the Devi Saptashati. And I do not know if you can get that book in America or not. But these people have got it, we have to find out that one. Lady: I think Samuel Wiser in the village might be able to order it, if they don’t have in stock. They have all those things. Shri Mataji: Yes, maybe. Because this is the, this is the happening much before. She actually came as a human being on this Earth. You see the first incarnation was of Sita, then of Radha, and then of Mother of Jesus. So She came, thrice She came as a human being, this is as Mahalakshmi. But this is the Mahakali, is the one which is the Primordial and that is. And then, out of that, these three powers came. Right? Lady: And this is the next one after Mary? Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Lady: This is the next one after Mary? Sahaja Yogi: Mahalakshmi. Shri Mataji: Mahalakshmi. Sahaja Yogi: Mahalakshmi was Mary. Shri Mataji: Mahalakshmi. She has three powers. She is one is at Mahakali, with which She is the one who exists, and when She gets angry, She can kill also. That’s the point. That’s Mahakali. And from Her two other powers came out. Was Mahasaraswati, who is the creative power. And the third one is the evolutionary power, is Mahalakshmi. And Mother Mary is Mahalakshmi. She was born out of the water. That’s why She is called as Mary. Even in English language we call Her Mary, Mary words comes from marine, you see. And My name also, the first Neera means the one born out of water. It’s a very funny combination, everything if you see My whole name. Nirmala means immaculate. And Neela, I have two three names because they’re made short, and that’s how it has a different meaning. But in any case, when you get the book Advent, you might get lots of information. Also, we have a magazine, I don’t know if you have that. Sahaja Yogi: We keep it downstairs. Shri Mataji: Alright. So you also get that magazine from India, they will send it over to you. Alright? That we’ll all arrange. Now. So, Gavin, please start.”

Navaratri Puja, New York (USA), 29 September 1981. “It was so pre-planned today by the Divine, I should say, that today is a very great day. In the first advent of the Holy Ghost came on this Earth this day. That was about fourteen thousands years back. And today is the day that is celebrated as the first advent. And there are nine advents She has had, before She came as the Mahalakshmi. So first, today I will be telling you about it –how She is placed within us, where She resides, what is Her work, how She protects us. I will be today telling you on the Heart Chakra. And that’s why today they celebrate this special day of Her worship. Now, today, as some of you are new people, I would just say that you don’t think too much about it. Try to receive more vibrations. Because when all these things are done only my centers start vibrating yours and opening your centers. That’s what happens. And as you know, we have asked very few of you to come here because it is difficult for people to bare the vibrations if they are not fully prepared for it. And because of this preparation, we wanted to have some more time. But we have risked it this time. I hope you’ll be able to bare the vibrations. They will open your centers, they’ll raise your Kundalini much higher, they’ll give you a much greater dimension and also powers. But one thing is there, don’t think about it. Keep your mind away so that you receive it more and understand it more. We tried this experiment in Australia and just after Realization, within three days, so many people came not for the puja but for washing of my feet. And they got very well established in Sahaja Yoga. So it is one of the easiest way to grow. But it is to be understood, in the Western life it’s rather difficult to understand adoration, because now I am in form. I’ve came in form and you should make fully use of me. Get full advantage by exposing yourself to these powers so that they enter into your being and you are empowered much more. Alright? This is the idea. Now, this is a very secrete ceremony opened to very few Sahaja Yogis and it is done in India everywhere and we select people as I told you. Very few people are allowed to come in. Not all the people. But, as you know we had very little time, we could not sort of do that to you. So please don’t think about it, just be in thoughtless awareness and try to receive as much as you can. I would suggest those who have come for the first time should sit in front. So that it would be – please, come along. Tracy, have you attended any puja? Tracy: The Wale [?] Mother. Shri Mataji: You have, alright. Who else? Christine and you have not been to any puja. You both come forward. [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi with a Sahaja Yogi]. How many are there for the first time? Gavin? Please come, come, come forward, come forward. [Shri Mataji counts in Hindi]. Come along Barbara. Sahaja Yogi: Nine. Shri Mataji: Ah? Sahaja Yogi: Nine. Shri Mataji: Good number, nine days, nine people. It worked out. Somehow it worked out. Alright. Sahaj Yogi: [Unclear]. Some more want to come. Shri Mataji: [Unclear]. So while washing my feet, they will be reading the adoration of Shri Ganesh who is incarnated as Jesus Christ - alright? - who is embodiment of innocence. And that will be in English. Have you got that part? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: So that will be read. And I would like you to pay attention to what is - plus you have to wash my feet so that you receive your vibrations in a clear cut way. I wish you could have read Hanumana also. That would have been better than this. Ah, is he coming? This Baptist gentleman? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. [Unclear, Betani ? will come]. Shri Mataji: Alright, bring that. That Baptist should come, you know, as you said that he should come, because- Sahaja Yogi: We gave him the address. Shri Mataji: It’s quite late now, look at this. What time you told him, ten o’clock? Sahaja Yogi: Eleven. Shri Mataji: Eleven. Come along, come forcward. Barbara, you also come here. Come to sit here, you see. You also. Lady: What we’ll be doing here? Shri Mataji: [Unclear]. Three o’clock they started, there are vibrations that’s coming out, tremendous. Ah, you’re almost there, can you feel it? Try to put your hands, alright? Have you got Devi Purana? [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi with a Sahaja Yogi]. Marakandeya’s you don’t have, otherwise you could have read about Mahavishnu, about Jesus Christ, but it’s alright now. [Shri Mataji is reading a book] A lady: Is that book available? Shri Mataji: Eh? A lady: that book that you have in your hands? Sahaja Yogi: Can you buy it here? Sahaja Yogi: We certainly, we find if we can get it here. Shri Mataji:. It’s Puranic. I don’t know, I have no idea if it’s available, but it is translated. [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi with a Sahaja Yogi]. Sahaja Yogi: Devi Purana. Shri Mataji: Ne, ne. Acha, doesn’t matter. [MARATHI part]. This is, this is the book which he has got in English language, is the, is the praise of the Goddess, you see, of the Holy Ghost, you see, all that is there: how She was created, then how She get into forms, how She incarnated on this Earth, and how She killed these horrible people who were trying to, I may say we call them rakshasas or devils, we can say satanic forces, and all that is written in this book, but it is translated in that book, in the Devi Saptashati. And I do not know if you can get that book in America or not. But these people have got it, we have to find out that one. Lady: I think Samuel Wiser in the village might be able to order it, if they don’t have in stock. They have all those things. Shri Mataji: Yes, maybe. Because this is the, this is the happening much before. She actually came as a human being on this Earth. You see the first incarnation was of Sita, then of Radha, and then of Mother of Jesus. So She came, thrice She came as a human being, this is as Mahalakshmi. But this is the Mahakali, is the one which is the Primordial and that is. And then, out of that, these three powers came. Right? Lady: And this is the next one after Mary? Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Lady: This is the next one after Mary? Sahaja Yogi: Mahalakshmi. Shri Mataji: Mahalakshmi. Sahaja Yogi: Mahalakshmi was Mary. Shri Mataji: Mahalakshmi. She has three powers. She is one is at Mahakali, with which She is the one who exists, and when She gets angry, She can kill also. That’s the point. That’s Mahakali. And from Her two other powers came out. Was Mahasaraswati, who is the creative power. And the third one is the evolutionary power, is Mahalakshmi. And Mother Mary is Mahalakshmi. She was born out of the water. That’s why She is called as Mary. Even in English language we call Her Mary, Mary words comes from marine, you see. And My name also, the first Neera means the one born out of water. It’s a very funny combination, everything if you see My whole name. Nirmala means immaculate. And Neela, I have two three names because they’re made short, and that’s how it has a different meaning. But in any case, when you get the book Advent, you might get lots of information. Also, we have a magazine, I don’t know if you have that. Sahaja Yogi: We keep it downstairs. Shri Mataji: Alright. So you also get that magazine from India, they will send it over to you. Alright? That we’ll all arrange. Now. So, Gavin, please start.”

9/30/1981

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I am the Holy Ghost

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Public Program Day 7 (Declaration: “I am the Holy Ghost”). New York (USA), 30 September 1981. Shri Mataji [to Warren]: … the attachments (microphone).Warren: The attachments, it’s all right.Shri Mataji: It’s all right?Warren: It’s good in here because it is very silent, then we don’t need any.Shri Mataji: Good. It’s beautiful.Warren: Is it Your first time in a church?Shri Mataji: No, many-a-times.Warren: Many-a-times.Shri Mataji: But to talk about Agnya in a church, is the first time.Warren: Very good. [Shri Mataji laughs] Yesterday, I told you about this chakra [Shri Mataji points at centre heart on chakra chart] which is a very fiery chakra, because this chakra is occupied by a very fiery deity called as Jagadamba, is the Mother of the Universe. She has to protect Her children who are trying to swim across the ocean of illusion and who are being always hampered by the people who are against God, who are anti-Christ, who are anti-God, who are devils, who are called as rakshasas. And so She has to protect them, and that’s why She is such a fiery Goddess, like a tigress. Actually, one of Her conveyances is a tiger, another is a lion. After that, now today we want to know about this chakra, which is the Vishuddhi chakra, Vishuddhi. America, in the map of the world, is this centre, is Vishuddhi chakra. That’s why it is important to understand what do we stand for, Americans. Now, this centre has got 16 sub-plexuses, and it manifests in the gross the cervical plexus, which looks after all the ears, nose, throat, the eyeballs, and the neck, all the problems of this area. The facial construction depends on this chakra: whatever is the condition of this centre you have the expression on your face. As I told you, it has got 16 sub-plexuses, and all the vowels are created in this centre. Of course, English language has got the vowels which are not scientifically all right. But the Devanagari script has got all the vowels, are 16 in number, and that’s why they are all produced here, in this area. This is the gross side of this centre. The subtle side of this centre is that this is the centre of collectivity. When man raises his head, he sees around himself his fellowmen. And he starts seeking that there must be something very, very common between us – that we are part and parcel of one universal Being, of the great primordial Personality. The central path of Sushumna – of ascendance – creates this primordial Being ultimately, is the final, is the complete form of this ascendance, of the evolution, ends up here. So, this is the primordial Being, if we say this is the primordial Being, and this is the primordial Vishuddhi. Then this Vishuddhi is the one that represents what Muslims say as the Akbar, Akbar aspect of God, the Primordial Great Being. In Sanskrit language it is called as Virata. Now, this primordial Being incarnated on this earth – as I told you that all this aspect incarnates, the central aspect – on this earth as Shri Krishna. And His power was Radha. Ra means energy, dha means the one who sustains. Ra-dha: means the one who sustains the energy is Radha. So on this centre is Shri Krishna and Radha. On the right side is His image as a king: when He went away from Gokul and Mathura after killing a devil called Kamsa who was His uncle actually, He went down to Gujarat and settled down there and ruled that country, there He was called as Vitthala. Vitthala and Rukmini – I’m telling you these names because when you are raising the Kundalini, if the chakra stops there or the Kundalini stops there, you have to take His name. On the left-hand side is His sister, who was just born and was killed again, and She appeared to us as a lightning in the sky. She is called as Vishnumaya. All these three centres are very, very important. When you are collective, then you are ascending through this centre: the power is passing through this. Actually, the root of this (ego and superego) starts from here (Vishuddhi), the root starts from here and grows into this (superego), and then into this (ego) crossing over. The crossing over takes (place) there (Agnya), but the root of the ego and superego starts at this point. Shri Krishna as we know appeared to Arjuna as a Virata, as the Great primordial Being. He saw Him as a very huge, big personality, and he saw in Him all the human beings and all the creations moving about. And he couldn’t bear it anymore, he said, “I don’t want to see it again.” Shri Krishna told the Gita, spoke the Gita, only to Arjuna, only to one person. He didn’t tell it to even a second person, because He was born six thousand years back. That time the maturity of people was so low that He did not, He did not tell about this to anybody else but Arjuna. And it was heard by another person who wrote it down, and Vyasa is the poet who wrote about it. The Gita is the Vedanta, means the end of Vedas. Vedas have got two sides: the first side is where the mantras are there to excite the right side or we can say the elements, and the end of it is the philosophy. And he used that philosophy of Gita, he used that Vedanta philosophy in Gita to explain what is knowledge, what is God, what is Spirit, how to achieve it and what happens. Now Krishna’s basic character of His advent was that: so far for Rama He was the One who lived like a human being and established a special place, or say, established a special character of a benevolent king for other kings to follow. But this one when He came, He found that the whole place was filled with ritualism, with all kinds of dead supra-conscious activities, and subconscious activities, and people were indulging into materialistic things and were very unhappy – so He established Himself as the incarnation of the play, Leela. That the whole world is just a drama, is just a drama, and you are a witness to it. Actually, what happens when you watch a drama, you feel that you are in it – supposing there is Napoleon or somebody who is in the drama: you start feeling you are Napoleon, and even when you go home, you’ll talk like Napoleon for a while, you carry on the joke with you. But it’s a drama, it’s outside you, it is not you. Sometimes, when there is, say, a cinema or something we see, we identify ourselves with the scenes so much that we cry, weep, sometimes feeling very excited. But when the drama is over, then we’ll suddenly realise, “Oh God, it was a drama.” [Laughter] In the same way, this whole life, the human life, is a drama. And the life… whole drama, is only seen when you get your realisation: you become a witness. Now those who have got Realisation should understand that you have become now a witness. Start seeing everything and you’ll be amazed. You’ll feel, “Oh, I’m so much away, I am just witnessing.” There’s a Sahaja Yogini who comes from, who came from India. And she had never travelled before anywhere, even by plane she had never travelled before. And comes from a very traditional family, she has never been out without somebody going with her. Such a person. She got her realisation and she came to America. She told me that “I never felt that I was going to America, that I was going by plane anywhere, that I should be frightened, nothing of the kind. And they were all telling me, ‘Be careful’, I was wondering, what are they worried about? I was least bothered, the whole thing looked like a drama, I got into the plane, I came here and there was a sea of human beings, I couldn’t see my brother, and I think I got lost! I said, “All right, if I am lost, doesn’t matter. I am never lost because I’m with myself.” So I was going to the taxi fellow, I was going to tell him, “Take me down to my brother’s place”, then suddenly the brother got her, got to her and found her. But otherwise she was saying, “I was so relaxed, I was least bothered, most surprising, I was witnessing the whole drama without any, without any consideration about it, or any awareness about it, I was just doing it automatically.” That’s what happens to you. You see the death, and you see the life, and you see the drama. And you do not get involved into it. When you are not involved into it, then you are completely at ease and at peace. As I gave you the example that if you are in the water, then you are worried about the waves. But supposing you get into the boat, then you see the waves as fun. Or if you know how to swim, also you can see it as a fun. So, when you get Realised, when you get your Realisation, then the whole thing becomes like a drama and you start developing your detachment. So, He is the Yogeshwara: He’s the one who is fully detachment. He’s the full detachment. Though He was a king, though He was having a very luxurious life, He was a detached personality. Now He on this earth when He came, He had to have His powers with Him and He didn’t know how to bring those powers in human beings, because He knew He won’t be able to give realisation to people at that time, 6000 years back. So He created a method by which He got 16.000 wives. And all these wives were nothing but His powers-carrying people and there is a big story about it which I think every Indian knows, and you can also find out. He had five - I mean, He became the king, He did all this. And He had five elements as His wives. So His own queens, five of them, were five elements, and 16.000 wives were actually His own powers manifested as human beings. And He came on this earth as Krishna, krishi: krishi means agriculture. Means actually sowing. He sowed the seed, He sowed the seed of spirituality. He said, “Nainam chindanti shastrani nainam dahati pavakah. Nachainam kledayam tyapo na shosayati maruta.” Means this Spirit cannot be killed, it cannot be sucked in, it cannot be destroyed, neither it can be transformed. Is eternal. And to prove that, Christ came on this earth, at this point. And He by His resurrection proved it, that it cannot be killed. Now I will tell you about Shri Krishna’s life as a diplomat, He was a diplomat. He was the incarnation of diplomacy. And the best diplomacy is such that you give such conditions which are absurd. If you give absurd conditions, then a person gets toppled down over it, and then he succumbs. Because if you approach directly someone, then the people are very half-baked, and they start intellectualising everything and rationalising. So, better thing is put a proposition before them which is absurd, and let them find out for themselves, and then they come to you with surrendered mind. Now I’ll explain to you how. Arjuna was His disciple, and Arjuna, when he went to war with Kauravas, who were the satanic forces in those days, got into a mood of despondence, and he said that “These are – in these are my relations, these are, there’s my one of my gurus who taught me how to use the arrow – and how am I to fight these people?” So then He told the Gita, that time He spoke the Gita to him. And He said that – the first thing He said that you should find your Self, you must have Self-knowledge, you should get realisation, you should have the knowledge. Knowledge doesn’t mean the idea about this architecture and all that, but knowledge is the awareness of your Spirit. So Arjuna being that time a mediocre, I should say, an intellectual [Shri Mataji laughs] – he asked Him a question, as usual intellectuals are good at asking questions, never giving answers [Shri Mataji laughs, laughter]. So the intellectual asked Him that “You are telling us to go to war, and here You are telling me to find my Spirit. How do these two things meet?”, because according to many people who are talking today also, that a man who is realised should not fight, he should sit down and bear all the brunts of the things upon himself, he should suffer. So he said that “How do You say that I become the Spirit and then I have to fight these evil forces? Why should I fight these evil forces then?” So He said that “All right, he is a person who is a mediocre, it’s very difficult to tell him how to do it.” Actually, it is very simple. When you are a witness, you can fight better. You have to fight the evil forces, why are you enlightened if you cannot fight the darkness? You have been made a light to fight the darkness, and not to be happy with yourself: “Oh, I’m the light, I’m the light, I’m the light.” But you have to fight the darkness, and this they would not accept, that “Why should we fight the darkness?” So He said, “All right. What you do is to do what you want to do and put the fruit of your doing at the Lotus Feet of the Lord.” Now this is absurd, this is an absurd condition. Like you do your karmas, but put the fruit of that at the Lotus Feet of the Lord. It is an absurd condition, you just can’t do it. Why? Because you have got Mr. Ego sitting down there. Whenever you do something, you always say you are doing it. And even if you say, “Oh, I have married Christ and this is God’s work I’m doing”, you may say it, but in your heart of hearts it is not so. Because you have not got that hollow personality where there is no ego. You must get rid of this ego, otherwise you are doing the work and you are conscious – it’s a myth, actually human beings don’t do anything whatsoever. It’s a myth. For example, we have built this beautiful church. Now what have you got? Whatever was created by God, you just changed the forms of that and put it this way. Dead from the dead. What living work have you done? You cannot transform one flower into a fruit, can you? So, it’s a myth we believe in that we do this, we do that, we do this. Actually, you don’t do anything. You only change forms of the dead from this to that. And this myth that you have got, that you do, accumulates here [Shri Mataji laughs], as this bile-coloured stuff on your head [Shri Mataji points at ego on chakra chart]. It can be quite big, here it is shown it can be so big as that [laughter], even bigger than your body, bigger than this big dome. The one who must have made this must have been – may be having a bigger thing than that, can be possible you see, and then he walked like this on the road, you don’t know how to balance yourself with all this big thing on your head, all the time this ego telling you, “Oh, you are the great.” And you meet such a person, better be careful. Keep away from people who have done great works. Otherwise they will use you for something else. So keep away from all such people. That’s what is the best. So this Mr. Ego develops into a big thing. And when it develops, it just gives you ideas that, first of all it makes you think, “Oh, you are great, you are very great.” And then sometimes you get punches on it, because people don’t accept you as that great as you think yourself to be, then with the punch it grows even bigger – with one more punch it’s like a rubber balloon, you see, you punch it, it goes up, again you punch it, it… - both ways it’s horrible: it can be pumped in or it can be punched in. And once it is punched in, then it can be very, very big, and then you don’t know what to do, so you recoil down into your left Vishuddhi here. Then you say, “Oh, I should not have done it”, because you think by doing that, your ego is hurt. You just go there to feel guilty, because you think by doing that, your ego is hurt. Your image is spoilt, your so-called image of this big balloon is spoilt so you feel hurt. Now this happening of giving it or to surrendering it at the Lotus Feet of Lord can only happen when your realisation takes place. Now those people who have got realisation, what do you do? You say, “Mother, it is going, it is coming. It’s not going, it’s not working.” You become a third person. You raise the Kundalini – say you have a friend, you bring the friend along. Now, the friend doesn’t get realisation. You don’t say, “I have given realisation”, you don’t say, “I raised the Kundalini”, but what you do is to say that “Mother, it’s not yet working, it’s little hot this side, there’s a, this finger burning, this chakra is catching.” But you say everything in the third person, you never say “I do”. Even if your son is not realised, or if your father is not realised, you will tell him, “I’m sorry, you can’t get realisation, it is not working.” It. You become the third person. And that is what it is, when it flows you say, “It’s flowing, it’s working, it’s there.” This is the theory that He tried to propound, that the whole thing should become, the karma should become akarma. Like the sun: the sun shines, but the sun doesn’t – is not conscious that it is shining, it’s just emitting. It’s not bothered. It’s not conscious of it. It comes, it changes so many leaves into – gives them colour, gives oxygen – does all kinds of things and it goes back. Least bothered. It is just emitting. It does not require any kind of a self-satisfaction that “I have done it, I am doing it.” That kind of a thing should happen to you when you just become an akarma. That is what He was saying. This is the karma theory of Shri Krishna. But He said that a day will come when you will get your realisation and then this karma will be sucked in. Christ is the embodiment of all that Krishna prophesized or said, He came on this earth to prove it. The second thing that He talked about is about the Bhakti Yoga, that you must – you worship by your, this side – that you must worship God, that you must surrender yourself to God. Now, when we say that we pray to God, we ask for [from] Him – I mean, we ask everything, I mean, the way we ask God all the time really is something so horrible. Like we’ll say that, “Now I want to have a divorce, get cancer for my wife, or do this for…” I mean, all sorts of things we ask for. We say that “We are in the war, we should win, the enemy should be lost”, and all sorts of things we ask for [from] God. I mean, God must be fed up the way we ask things [laughter, Shri Mataji laughs]. But whatever it is, to surrender at the Lotus Feet of God, through your worship, Krishna has been diplomatic again. He said that, “If you have to do "bhakti", worship, it should be ananya, ananya.” Now, this word is the most diplomatic, and He used it again and again with all these scholars and all these people have missed it. "Ananya" means when there is not the other, when you are connected. You must do the surrendering when you are connected, which is very true. Without connection, if you start doing any bhakti, whom are you doing the bhakti? If there is no connection – supposing I’m sitting in London, you are here. You are writing letters after letters, letters after letters, I never receive them, I never read them, I’ve nothing to do with it. So what’s the use? You must have some connection with God Almighty: then whatever bhakti you do it has a meaning. So, before Realisation, the bhakti has no meaning. Like these mad people “Hare Rama Hare Krishna, Hare Rama Hare Krishna” – by saying these things if you can achieve anything - then it is the easiest, but the one thing that you spoil is this centre. You spoil the worst of all, and they always get throat cancer. The reason is, the first of all, you spoil the centre; you spoil the centre because you go on saying, “Hare Rama Hare Krishna” too many times. What is there to take God’s name like that? It’s very, very cheap thing. If you are realised, you don’t have to take God’s name like that. There’s a protocol of God: if you are to take His name, you have to take it properly, with a protocol, even after realisation. But if you just go on saying, “Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ”, all the way – Christ will be so angry with you. What is it? Is He such a cheap thing? First of all you’ll spoil, the name, here, by taking - I mean, mechanically, I mean, physically you will spoil this throat. I mean, when I also speak too much I have to get some sort of a soothing thing for my throat. So you can imagine a person who is not realised, who has no idea as to what name to be taken, he takes that name all the time, the “mantras” so-called that are given to you. You get spoiled this [Central Vishuddhi], plus you spoil your - this mantra [left Vishuddhi], because this left side, because you have taken the unauthorised name of Shri Krishna. So you are in for a throat cancer. If you want to get it, you better join this “Hare Rama Hare Krishna” cult. And they think they are very near Krishna. How will they recognise Shri Krishna? But this chakra is the best among others for one reason: if this chakra is spoilt, say – smoking spoils it a little bit. In the beginning if it is too much smoking it spoils very badly. Then the, from the cervical plexus, the nerves go down on both the sides. And the sensitivity in the hands is so little, that when you start feeling the vibrations, you may feel a jet of air coming out of your head, a great jet, but in the hands you may not feel anything at all. At all, there are many who just don’t feel anything in the hands. In the beginning they just don’t feel, because their hands are not sensitive. They have done greatest harm to their cervical plexus. And that’s why this chakra is stopped. It doesn’t give you the sensitivity, though the Kundalini has crossed through. But gradually then Kundalini spreads on the sides and gives energy to this centre, which passes through the system, and then you start feeling in the hands the all-pervading Power which is the knowledge. Otherwise people don’t feel it, they may feel it in the head but not in the hands. I was really shocked when I came here nine years back, that this country was nothing but a chimney. That time, everyone – whether it was a woman, or a man, or a child – everyone used to smoke, and so much of smoking that, really, I didn’t know how this Vishuddhi, the America, is going to live. [Now, please pay attention here, all right? Don’t turn round your heads. Now.] Now, this centre should be used in such a manner that you keep your collectivity. A person who is an individualist, who keeps away from collective beings, who does not give vibrations, sits at home before my photograph, wants to take vibrations and all that – such a person will not be able to progress much in Sahaja Yoga. This has an inlet and an outlet. Unless and until you give, there is an outlet, there will not be the inlet of vibrations. With your hands you give to others. Now, the fourth thing Krishna has said is the Raja Yoga, in which you get Kundalini awakening and you get all these chakras acting. He has given actually the action into which they move. Like the bandhas take place, how these chakras go and sort of catch hold of that part of the Kundalini and hold it up. And how these bandhas take place, all He has described; is the thing that happens when Kundalini starts. Like one can describe that when the car starts, the car starts moving and the, all the other small bolts and nuts, and all of them are there, they also start then moving one after another. The whole mechanism, the works, you can say, starts manifesting itself. In the same way, within us it starts working, this is what He said. But people are using it for Kriya Yoga which is nonsense. Like you sit down, hold your stomach. But the Kundalini has not started: why are you holding your stomach, and hold your nose, then you hold these ears? What is the use? The Kundalini has not yet started: why are you doing all this nonsense? You see, there is this here your Yogananda, who has taught this nonsense to you of Kriya Yoga. I mean, horrible it is. The amount of diseases one can get from this… I mean, unnecessarily you shave your head. Why to shave your head? By shaving your head are you going to go to God? Then why has He given you hair? They shave their head – nonsense it is, absolutely, to shave your head. The sheep is shaved every week - every year twice: and by shaving your head, you are not going to go to God. These all nonsensical ideas to shave your head, to wear a funny dress, walk seriously like this, and you’ll go to God? One must understand that the happening has to take place of Kundalini awakening has to take place itself, is a spontaneous, is a living thing. By doing all these artificial things you are spoiling yourself completely. It automatically happens. But all this mechanism, you don’t have to worry, because once the Kundalini rises, it happens. What is actually, I now feel that Krishna never knew that human beings will be so mad. For example supposing, if your car has not started, do you start moving its machinery by hand? And believe that the car has started moving? It’s the most absurd thing to do to spoil the car. And that’s what exactly you do, when you try to do this Kriya Yoga. There is a-kriya, you don’t have to do any action. The action takes place by itself, it is built-in. It is within you. I will give you another example, supposing there’s a seed, and you want to sprout it. Will you try to pull the primule out of it? (Laughter) Will it sprout? It’s that senseless, I tell you, the way people try to do all these tricks, standing on their head and… God has given us legs to stand, not the head to stand. I don’t know from where this idea has come that you stand on your head. By that Kundalini is never awakened. It is for a certain disease, that that head standing is good, but not for everyone. It’s for a cure of a disease, that’s all. All sorts of funny ideas, even people drink urine! I mean, all sorts of things they do, nonsensical things, you know, to get to Realisation. There was one lady of Neem Karoli Baba, he’s another horrible fellow. And she came to me and she was like this, like this, like this. I told her, “What did you do there? What did you do with this man?” “Oooh Mother, he blessed me specially.” I said, “What?” “He gave me his water.” I said, “His water? What is his water is this?” [Laughter] And this is the water she drank, for days together, for years together, and now she says, “I can’t forget him!” Imagine, to bring God to that level! I mean, can there be a greater blasphemy and ridiculous way of treating God Almighty who has created you? There’s no respect! No respect! You don’t respect yourself, you don’t respect your chastity, you don’t respect your private parts. How can you respect God? This is what it is, and they teach you not to respect. And this is what happens when you start reading Gita – you see, they are all blind people, blind people can’t read Gita. Blind people cannot read Bible: they’ll never understand, they will never understand the inner meaning of it and they’ll just twist it for their own purpose. Now the left-hand side is the one that gives you, what you call, the guilt feeling. I don’t know whom to blame now. For example, say, the churches, the Catholic churches. I mean, when did Christ say that you are guilty? From where did they pick up this? I cannot say from where they picked it up. Christ could never have said that you are guilty, that you should feel guilty, that you should suffer. I mean, from childhood if you tell somebody that “You are guilty”, he’ll become automatically, it’s a conditioning on the person. He will devise methods to find out that what guilt he has. After all, you are a human being, and you can make mistakes. And you are blind, God knows that! And He also knows that all your mistakes are to be forgiven. They are to be forgiven, and you are to be given realisation. He is worried about His own creation, isn’t He? Is He going to waste you only because you have committed some mistakes here and there? And what mistakes can you commit? That also let’s see. He is the ocean of love. He is the ocean of compassion. He is the ocean of forgiveness. He is ocean, and you are a drop in the ocean. And how much a drop can carry a dirt that He cannot cleanse? Think of it. Think of it when you say you are guilty. This is a fashion that is developed here, and sometimes I find this guilt is nothing but this Mr. Ego coils up into it and says, “All right, I’m guilty, finished.” It is not facing the fact. Supposing you have done the mistake, what’s the use of saying, “I have done the mistake, I have done the mistake, I have done the mistake”? Do you correct it? Do you correct it by that, saying that “I have done the mistake, now I’ve done the mistake”? It would be something, say, we got lost in the car, and we went into another road. Now we sit down there crying, “Oh, we have made the mistake, better sit down.” Here people are waiting for me, all right, for the programme, and I am sitting down there crying, “We have done the mistake, we have come to the wrong line, we should not have been here.” If I have done the mistake, correct it and come back to the right position! Go on correcting it! Instead of that, this is the best way of sitting down saying, “We have done the mistake, I should not have done this, I should not have done this.” Putting down yourself, “I can’t do it” – to be diffident all the time – “Oh, I just can’t do it.” This could be very dangerous, very dangerous. For example, supposing in an accident you have harmed somebody. Now you sit down there, “Oh I have done the mistake, I’ve committed the mistake.” Oh please, get hold up of that person whom you have harmed, take him to the hospital, get him treated! This is the way we do not face by feeling guilty. It’s a very good way of Mr. Ego to coil up into the left Vishuddhi and say, “Oh, you are guilty.” Who are you to judge yourself? Why do you judge yourself? How do you judge yourself? You have no method of judging yourself. All the time you find out ways and methods of feeling diffident in life. And such diffident people, what are they going to do? You have to take swords in your hand of honesty and of dedication to God’s work. There they are standing with the sword like this [shaking]. They can’t even handle a little stick in their hand, what are they going to do? Because they are all very guilty people, all the time shaking. Why to feel guilty, by making yourself so diffident and useless warrior of God’s work? This guilt is the worst thing, and in Sahaja Yoga, the first mantra always I ask to say, “I am not guilty.” You don’t judge yourself like that. You have no business to condemn yourself. God has created you with such difficulties, now understand it. You are above everything that is [Indistinct], much above these things, much above all these flowers, much above all the stars, all the sky that is created. And here you are, like fools you are feeling guilty and sitting down at home and spoiling the work of God! You have to get to your Realisation, you have to get to your absolute, you have to get to your own being! And become what you are, and not to waste all the work that He has done here [Shri Mataji points at chakra chart]. How He must be feeling! How much He has done for you, to become this! And here you are, on a small thing you just slip out, and spoil the complete work. Is this the way to behave towards your Father? And towards your Mother? And towards Christ, their son? Is this the way to treat? We have to stand up with courage, with fearlessness. This gives you fear, unnecessary botheration, and worries, and you start thinking about things which do not exist, all imaginary. Left Vishuddhi is a curse of modern times. And I would request you all to come out of it. Every morning you tell yourself that “I’m not guilty!” You must say it thrice in the morning and thrice in the evening. [Laughter] What is there to feel guilty about? I wish Christ had included this in the prayer. But you have to forgive yourself, first of all. I mean, He could never have imagined that humans – human beings – would be so stupid as to all the time say that “I am guilty, I can’t forgive myself.” Human beings have escapes for everything. Now this is a new modern method they have devised of running away from reality. Reality is to be faced, and to be enjoyed. It is called as veeraja, is the one that has to permeate into, joy. You come and sit on the throne and enjoy. [Shri Mataji coughs] Today my Vishuddhi is out – now see. [Shri Mataji goes to drink] Now, I have been able to tell you in short about Vishuddhi chakra. Let’s go to the another chakra here which is called as the Agnya chakra. Agnya chakra resides in the centre of optic chiasma. Optic chiasma is the one which crosses each other, and in the centre of it is the special centre called as Agnya chakra. Is a very subtle centre, and this centre is adorned by our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the son of Mahalakshmi. Is the son of the entire Power that resides here [Shri Mataji points all along central channel on chakra chart]. Is the Mahalakshmi, the Viratangana, the wife of Virata, the power of the Primordial. He is the son created by Her and is very well described in the Devi Purana and other books, which are not yet translated, I think, in English, as Mahavishnu. He is called as Mahavishnu, so the Vishnu’s greater form; but He is the son of Vishnu [Shri Mataji points at Agnya chakra on chakra chart], He is the son of Shri Krishna. Shri Krishna had described Him as somebody who is the Adhara, is the support of the whole universe. He has given him a higher position than Himself, see [Shri Mataji shows on chakra chart that Agnya is placed higher than Vishuddhi]. And He said, “This One, when He will be coming on this earth, He will prove all that I have said. He’ll prove because He will be the essence, He will be the Omkara, He will be the all-pervading power, He’ll walk on the water. Not only, but He’ll be resurrected, His body will be resurrected.” He has described Him fully there, and He has given Him the highest position that He is the Adhar, He is the support, because He lives there at the Muladhara also, at the support of the root. And He resides – actually, He is the vice-chancellor of this university, we can say, that at every point [Shri Mataji points at the various chakras on chakra chart] we have to have Him to certify. If He is not there, you cannot, you cannot awaken the Kundalini, if you don’t believe in Him you cannot retain your realisation. Yesterday, a lady asked me, “Can we not do it without Christ?” I said, “I’m sorry.” Without Christ – because He is all-pervading, He is the Omkara, He is the One who is the power, He is the One who is flowing in us, He is the Spirit. Now, if you are seeking the Spirit, how can you do it without it? It’s an absurd question. It is He came on this point [Agnya], and this being a narrow path, He had to pass through it to prove what Krishna had said, that it cannot be killed, He got Himself crucified. It was a drama played by Him. His Mother was the Holy Ghost, was the part that is the Mahalakshmi, but He didn’t say a word about Her. He didn’t say, because if He had said it, people would have put their attention to Her, and He is bestowed with eleven powers of destruction. He is such a powerful person. You may show Him as a lanky-panky fellow because that satisfies your sadism, you want to see Christ like that – He was not like that. He was, He is only painted by, I think, Rubens very well, but the best is that in the Sistine Chapel, where Michelangelo has really boldly painted Him the way He was. He was a tall – not very tall, quite tall – and a very healthy and a hefty person with a big stomach. He is known as Lambodara, with a big stomach. And He could carry such a huge, big cross on His back. So people when they showed Him, I mean, then I was amazed at it, how could they show Christ in such a miserable state, how could they do it, I mean, horrible it is! This is just their own expression, that’s how they wanted Him to be, these are the people who must have definitely crucified Christ. Because they liked to see Him so miserable and unhappy. How can a person who is a realised soul be that way? He has to be a cheerful person, fiery, dynamic! It has to be a healthy person! A miserable person supposing before you stands and talks like this – are you going to believe that person? But this is the way they have treated Christ throughout – they have maligned Him, and they have treated Him, they have – He has been crucified so many times. I find it impossible to believe that how these people are reborn who crucified Him again! And again and again they are crucifying Him. The crucifixion is not the message of Christ. That’s why I also don’t like people to wear the cross, I can’t see the cross. It’s not! Cross, of course, is very helpful, because if the bad spirits see the cross they run away. But it is a reminder of something which was unbearable. Because the Mother had all the power, She was Mahalakshmi. He had eleven powers, eleven powers to destroy. You can imagine, He has still those powers. And He had to go through all that without destruction. He saw through it. Now, people may say, “How was He resurrected?” First of all, they have an objection to Immaculate Conception. I mean, they have objection for everything. He was not a human being. He was the Divine Power! I conceive you in my heart. Do you know that? And I put my Kundalini and I put you on my - from my heart into it and I take you out from here [Shri Mataji probably shows Sahasrara on the chakra chart]. The way you have got your second birth, in the same way, Christ got His immaculate birth. She put Him in the heart and into the uterus down below and She created Him. It’s very easy to doubt Him and say things against Him because He is no more. And the Jews must learn a lesson now. They denied Him once and they have suffered. Now, don’t deny Him again. You cannot deny the person, the embodiment of this Divine Power. Christians may be blown off, if Christians have tortured you, forget them, they are just the same as you are - fanatics, fanatics, fanatics. Whether they are Christians or they are Muslims - Khomeini is the same as any other person. I do not find any difference whatsoever. Dogmatic, ignorant, fanatic. Forget these people, they do not stand for Christ. Christ Himself has said in second chapter of Matthews, II verse, “You’ll be calling Me, ‘Christ, Christ, I won’t recognise you.’ Who are these?” The people who say, “Christ - we are the solicitors of Christ. We are the people who are in charge of Christ.” All of these people will be charged, and they will be thrown away in the hell the way they have managed things about Christ. Some of them are genuine - they don’t know that this is artificial, they are genuinely in it, but they must get their realisation. They must ask for their real realisation and they must know what is Christ within themselves, they have to awaken this Christ here. Now, as I was telling you that Christ said that “You are to be born again”, that “I’m to be born in your heart.” Now, the heart centre is here as well as here because the heart is controlled by this centre at the fontanel bone area. And that’s what He said that “You should get your realisation”, when He said, “You should be put in the heart.” Now, the people of various countries, even your country, went down to India. And they never told that Christ was born who was the Mahavishnu. Because He is already described in the Puranas that He is the Adhara - He is the One who will be - once awakened in the Kundalini, [Shri Mataji corrects Herself] by the Kundalini – will suck your karmas. They never went and told, so the Indians went on with their karma-theory, and these gurus have come here to teach you karma. It is amazing how you accept all these theories of nonsense. Like they’ll say that “You have to suffer, because you have done bad karmas.” Then they may say that “Yes, you can give you a balance, but you go this way or that way and you just keep into balance”. If that is so - that you have to go to one extreme and to another extreme - then what are they doing here? Why are they talking? They too should shut up, because they cannot do anything. They cannot give you realisation. They cannot save you from this situation. So, it’s better that you suffer. But why do they say you should suffer? Why should they say? Because they want to enjoy your sufferings. They want you to suffer because they enjoy it. So many of these disciples who came from these horrible gurus, who said, “You must have your karmas and you must suffer”, told me that they saw their gurus giggling at them and mocking at them. And they showed me some of the photographs they had taken of these gurus, which show complete mockery of these stupid disciples who were suffering in their body and suffering in their mind, in the presence of these gurus. So, they have a double enjoyment - one the money, another is the sadism, and third, the greatest of all, that their purpose is to kill you all and to destroy you all, because you are God’s men. That they achieve by their falsehood, because you are impressed by their falsehood. Now, see, if there was any false guru here this hall would be filled, the whole thing would be filled, on the road there would be a jam. But the real guru - I have seen not only here - everywhere it starts very slowly. Of course, in a place where people are very simple and who are very sensitive it’s a different point. But the people in a city specially, they are so insensitive to reality and so sensitive to devils that it is surprising, they feel very much at home with the devils and very much lost with the reality. Because you are in falsehood! So, you must know that you have to become the real. You have to become that which is the Spirit, which is not so far, is shining in your central nervous system, in your awareness. And this is the Spirit, is the One, is Christ. I’ve spoken before also in the churches, but today for the first time I am speaking about Christ in a church. And that’s why I was very happy that at least in this church I would say something that could establish Him, and that when people will come here, I hope they get their realisation and that something works out here, they get at least the awakening, because so many saints are sitting in front of me. Maybe that one day will come in this church, maybe, it may work out that people will get their realisation. Christ’s life was only for three, four years. Nobody allowed Him to live longer than that. Whatever was possible was done, but such stupid people, such stupid people, you could not talk to them. And that’s how they killed Him. He could not speak to them anymore and that’s how His life was finished. But in that small life of His - what a spark it was! What a spark it was! The way people have behaved towards Him is atrocious, I must say. I must say the apostles themselves, because this Matthews and this - he was such an intellectual, such an intellectual - he would not accept the idea of Immaculate Conception. Very difficult man - he would argue it out. He said, “If a virgin is going to give the child, then everybody is going to say that it’s a very, very blasphemous thing, it’s a very, very illegitimate thing and it should not be spoken of.” Horrible fellow and one better than the other. And when they took up about the spreading of Christianity, they took it in such a funny way, because they became supra-conscious before that. They started speaking the languages of so many people. That part of Bible is wrong where they became not realised. The wind part is all right, but so many people I’ve seen who come to my program, when they come for realisation, they feel the wind for a while and immediately they shunt off and become supra-conscious. Now, we’ll see what is supra-conscious entry and the subconscious entry. Now you see here there are two buds. These are the two petals. One controls, of course, the pituitary, that controls the ego, and the pineal, that controls the superego. But this also has a capacity to bloat this out this way, and bloat this out this way. Supposing you become supra-conscious: for start, you start thinking too much, about - something about the future, what must be the galaxy, we should find out about it and you must find out about the stars and about all these things and about future, about - say – prophecies, what else is that is, astrology, and all these, you see, futuristic. You people are mostly futuristic, you try to plan, you try to do - and every plan fails, of course. But this thinking of planning of too much can push this up this side, too much. Actually, as shown here is this side, but actually, when it is placed, it is placed like this. The ego is placed like this and the superego is like this. Here we could not show the three dimensions. So, from the back to this side is the superego, and from here to here is the ego. Now, this ego bloats out this way - into this side. And when it bloats out this side it goes into the supra-conscious area. So it comes up this side. Now, the supra-conscious area gives you visions, hallucinations. LSD does that, LSD does that. Then you start seeing some eye of a person, who is a dead person, but a very ambitious person, for example you might get the vision of Hitler. You might get the vision of, say, all these horrible kings who ruled here. You might get, you see, colours. You may see auras. And one has to understand here that these auras start coming to us, because we shift, we disintegrate from our being. That’s how we start seeing something else separated from us. To see auras is not a good sign in Sahaja Yoga. If you are seeing auras, we have to bring you back to the same position, because you have to be in the present and not in the future. You get disintegrated. For example, if there’s a machine, say, which takes the auras - auras, I was talking to someone, who has done that work of aura-picturing. Now, before - after realisation you don’t get any auras in a person, cannot get any auras in a person, because he is integrated, completely integrated. But when he is in a mess, you start getting the auras. Like if he has cancer you’ll get auras, if he is an alcoholic you’ll get auras, the kind with crazy auras, a normal person may have auras not so much crazy. But auras you cannot feel when the whole thing is integrated. You can see in a, say, light; if there is no aberration that means it’s a good light. If there is aberration, then it’s a bad light. All the seven colours of a light has to be concentrated and has to be integrated. If they are prismatic and if they are giving you separately, then it is not one integration. And when it is one integration, then you cannot see seven lights. So, the person is not integrated. Now, all these auras come to us, because we are made of seven type of cocoons within us. But the people who are on the right side only believe in the five cocoons, they call them "koshas". I don’t think if I have time for that, but these are the koshas have been created by - one is created by the first centre, by the second centre, by the third centre - this is how the physical goes - thing. By the fourth one, then the fifth one. And the sixth and the seventh are the things that they do not create auras outside - they create inside near the heart. And these are created near the heart, but as soon as you get your realisation, they all become one. They all merge into one and that is the Spirit. So, as if you can say when the Spirit exists in a prismatic state, then you get the auras of seven, but when it becomes integrated that you become one, all the auras become one. So, integration is the aim of Sahaja Yoga and now, I think, I have told you how you can also go to the sub-conscious area, the same way. The sub-conscious area is on the left-hand side. If you move into collective sub-conscious area, say for example, you can be triggered into cancer. By this triggering you might get heart attacks and things like that, diabetes. Now, many people believe sugar gives you diabetes - is nonsense. Sugar doesn’t give you diabetes. What gives the diabetes is too much thinking. Those who do not think too much never get. Indian farmers never get diabetes - they don’t know what disease this is. Because you think too much, you work too much, this centre works too much. It has to create food for the brain, it has to replace the brain centres. And these brain centres are to be replaced. For that it creates out of fat the new centres, the evolved cells, like I said here. And because of that work, if it is too much, it neglects the other things which it has to work out throughout, one of them is the spleen, another is pancreas. And when it neglects the pancreas you get diabetes. Not by sugar. Of course, sugar because it has to convert it into fat. But if you do not have sugar then it’s a double work. If you have sugar, it converts it into fat and makes it useful for your brain. But if you think too much, then - and you don’t take sugar - it’s a double action. But if you just take sugar and do not think also can be problem, I think, because he has to convert too much of - into fat, you see. So, too much work is given, there is no balance. So, one has to understand that too much sugar is not good, but you must take sugar, because the sugar is needed - and stop your thinking. How do you stop your thinking? Only by rising above the Agnya chakra. This is a very, very important point at Agnya that you must know that the thinking stops. Now, the thinking comes to you like this - like a wave. It rises the thought and falls off. Another thought rises and falls off. In between there is a place called as "Vilamba". Now, when the thought rises it automatically falls round; you can see the rising of the thought, but not falling off. Now, this space is the place of present. This rises either from the ego or superego and goes into the past. The in-between space is the present. One is the future, one is the past. Now, this place has to increase. When it increases, then what happens is that Agnya chakra opens more, and you become thoughtlessly aware. You become thoughtlessly aware, you come in the present. There’s no thought. And thought is the barrier between the creation and ourselves. For example, you look at this - say, a beautiful stone that is placed there or anything. You watch it. Now, if you want to think, “Oh, it looks like a man, it looks like a devil or it looks like a God”, or whatever it is, there’s a thought you are putting into. So, what you do when you are realised, you just watch - you watch. And whatever the joy is put there of the creator, of an artist, completely is within you, because there is no thought. There is no wave, there is no disturbance in a completely silent lake. All that is around it, all that creation comes into it, absolutely reflected and you enjoy it in thoughtless awareness - called as Nirvichara Samadhi. There’s complete Nirvichara, where you have no thought, and you start enjoying that creation completely, the joy of that is there, nothing is lost. So, the thoughtless awareness comes in when the Kundalini crosses this Agnya chakra. It does double work. First it makes you thoughtlessly aware. Secondly, because the Kundalini, if it has pierced through, it pushes these, and She fills these with the grace. The Grace falls on these. When the grace comes in, you start relaxing, these centres also relax. These centres are in a tension. But when the grace comes in, they go back into normal. So, there is more sort of expansion and the thoughtless awareness starts establishing itself at the Agnya chakra. Now, the mantra of Agnya chakra is the Lord’s Prayer. It has got two sides, Ham and Ksham. Ham means “I am” and Ksham means “I forgive”. So, if supposing this is catching, you have to say, “I forgive”. If there is ego within us you should say, “I forgive”. If there is superego within us you should say, “I am! I am!” So, it is Ham and Ksham, is the Bija, is the seed. Is a seed of the prayer - Lord’s Prayer. Now, there are people who are talking the Lord’s Prayer is not all right. I mean, who are you, what do you know about it? Everybody is challenging everyone. What do you know? What is your authority? The trouble is everybody is entitled to do what they like with religion and with God. Though they do not know anything about it, they are absolutely ignorant, but they think they have a right. Because there is no political control over it. Even Hitler can talk about Christ, anybody can talk about Him. And about the Prayer that He taught you, who are you to challenge it? Who are you to challenge Him? I can’t understand how do you challenge a person without knowing your own position in relation to Him. But this is a very, very common thing that people do and is due to ego. Ego makes you high-handed. And this is the worst type of high-handedness that you challenge God, you challenge Christ, you challenge everything which you don’t understand. Your mind is limited. It’s a very limited vehicle. You cannot do anything with this mind of yours. You have to go beyond it. Somebody has to trigger you into the space, you have to go into there. You have to become the Spirit. Only by realising your Spirit you can get connected with God, which before that you are not connected. That’s why you have to become the Spirit. And the Spirit is the connection, is the link with God. There is no other way you can be linked with God. If you want to keep yourself in delusion, you go ahead with it. But this is the real thing I’m telling you, it’s the true thing I’m telling you, for which you should know you cannot pay, you cannot purchase it, you cannot demand it, and you cannot work it out. The grace of God has to come, fall upon you to do it, or a person who is enlightened can only enlighten you. Now, about Christ if I have to speak – I’ve spoken once on Christ for seven days, one after another. There’s no end to it. He was such a great incarnation that I just do not know how to say that He’s the – I’ve spoken all about Him there. As it is we have many tapes in London, you can send for it. We are now going to have a centre here. Herman has offered his place. And we’ll be sending those tapes there, at least 300 tapes we have got in London, which you can listen to, and see for yourself. And all of these tapes are very good, because they are actually mantras, they work out the mantras and you also get - listening to them - opening of your centres and all that. Now the last of all, which is embarrassing, because, you see, already he has told you that I’m supposed to have been here at this [Shri Mataji points at Sahasrara on chakra chart]. It is the integration. The end of it is the integration of all these seven centres. All these seven centres are placed around this area called as the limbic, here, this is the limbic area. Now, if you cut it – the brain – like this transverse section of the brain you’ll find it, it’s like a lotus. You can find it that there in the marking it’s like a lotus, opened out. And it’s 1000 petals as called, are like this. But the colouring is not all right, you people are so fond of these pastel colours, so they have used it. But we can say that this kind of 1000 petals is there. Now it is said in the Bible that, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” And these are, they appear, they all appear. But these are very large ones and they appear as living, living flames in different colours, starting from one to another and they are 1000 in number. Now, the doctors argue that, “They cannot be thousand, there have to be 192.” I mean, just imagine these foolish people to argue on that. But they do not know they’re 1000 in number, and they are placed here. But in the limbic area, all the seven centres are surrounded here. Like we have got now- you see, from here, this is the Agnya chakra. Here. Behind it here at the back, just exactly at the back, is the Mooladhara. Surrounding it, is this Swadishthana. Surrounding the Mooladhara is the Swadishthan. If you are catching on Swadishthana, you can feel it within yourself, the heaviness here. If you are catching, say you have diabetes, give an example. Diabetes people get blind after some time. They lose the power of the eyes, because this thing oppresses the optic lobe which is controlled by the Mooladhara chakra, we call it as Back Agnya, this portion at the back. So, this is the Swadishthana chakra. Here at the back, in the centre here, you find a bone, that’s the Mooladhara and around it is the Swadishthana chakra. Then here is the Vishuddhi chakra, is the Virata. Is the Vishuddhi chakra here. When you catch cold, you’ll find you’ll have a problem here. But if you apply something here, you’ll feel better. And this is the Vishuddhi chakra which is related to your throat, this one. Now, if you have problems with collectivity also you might find a big block here.Now, at the back of it is the Nabhi here, at the back. This Nabhi has a left and a right side. As we have shown here, the left Nabhi and the right Nabhi, there are two, left and right Nabhi – I don’t know if I have told about that, left and right Nabhi. But, I mean, you can find out from the book that there’s left and right Nabhi. So, you have got a left and a right Nabhi.And also, you sometimes feel the Nabhi in here [close to the heart]. Some people do feel who have problems with their gurus and things like that, you see. Then you feel it. But the whole Void is here [Shri Mataji shows a circumference]. And this Void is called as Ekadesha Rudra. This Void, the whole of it. It goes like a ring around it. And this ring is very important, because this you get it from the Void. If you go to a bad guru or someone you get this.And this is the one [on the forehead] that is of the Rider – the Rider, the one who has eleven powers of destruction, the one who’s going to come to slash out. Then He’s not going to give you any counsel. He is not going to redeem you, no Realization. He’ll slash out those who are not Realised and He will emancipate the one who are Realized. He does the last that you don’t ask just now, give some time more to save some more people. Because He is not going to question anyone, He is not going to allow you any more time. And that will be the time of complete destruction of all the satanic forces. So that is the Ekadesha here. That collects, because all these horrible gurus are here [in the Void]. These are the Ekadeshas. And this is one thing is to be understood that one should get rid of this very easily. Now, these two children of Rama who were born here, and they are endowed on the Sun and the Moon. The Sun and the Moon both are here [Shri Mataji touches Agnya on chakra chart]. And the sun became - as I told you - Buddha ultimately here, and he became the - not ultimately - the Mahavira, they are here. But when they were on this earth, Buddha talked about non-violence, and people thought non-violence to chickens, to bugs. These Mahavira people, these Jains, we have got horrible community called Jains in India. And they believe in vegetarianism to this extent that they get a Brahmin, pay him money and put him in a hut and bring all the bugs of the village, put those in the hut and the bugs live on that Brahmin. Is a fact, even today they do it. And then they pay some money to the Brahmin, because the bugs are fed. Now, you just tell me this kind of a nonsensical vegetarianism. Am I going to give realisation to chickens? Just think of it. Or to the bugs or to the earthworms? You are human beings, you should eat a flesh which is not of a bigger animal than yourself, because that’s horrid. But you can eat the flesh of the animals which are smaller than you. There’s no harm in eating that - and this kind of a nonsensical vegetarianism, “Don’t do any harm to the animals”, but they don’t mind doing this. Jains are the greatest, they are, you see, such - just like suckers. And they don’t mind killing people for their money. They don’t mind going for - what you call - shikars, in hunting and killing anything; but they will not eat a chicken or even the garlic. Now, garlic, as you know, is very good for the heart. But they don’t eat garlic. It’s very good for the heart, it’s very good for people who have got a tendency towards hardening of the arteries, when the circulation is a problem, it’s very good to eat that, and for cold. Those people who suffer from cold, if they regularly eat a fresh garlic thing in the night, brush their teeth, they’ll be much better off. So, while talking about it I would say. Now, these seven centres are here. Now, at the fontanel bone is the centre of the heart. Now, just imagine, it is at the centre. So, where do I exist? I mean, all of them are seven centres, so I am just like a bubble. But if I am in your heart, I’m there [Shri Mataji touches Her Sahasrara]. So, the key of Sahaja Yoga that you have to recognise me. If you cannot recognise me you cannot progress in Sahaja Yoga, I have to frankly admit it. Because he’s already exposed me, I don’t tell this in my first lectures, but I have to say that “Please, now recognise me.” As your Mother I would request you to recognise me. And you don’t have to give me anything, just take things from me. Just have it yourself. But recognise me. If you deny me then this [Shri Mataji touches Her Sahasrara] won’t open, this will be always covered. That’s why at the end when you say, “Mother, give me my Realisation.” Because I have come on this earth to give you Realisation. That’s my job. It’s one of the worst jobs that one can have. [Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs] Because it is so difficult with people: to talk to them, to tell them about it, and they are all the time up in arms, they are so aggressive, and they start fighting. It’s a Mother’s job, which is a thankless job, absolute thankless job. I have to do it. And also only Mother can do it. Because if you had Christ, He would have taken those eleven things and finished off everyone. If you had asked Christ – [Shri Mataji corrects Herself] Krishna - He had also Samhara Shakti, He would have killed. But to use the whole thing with integrated idea and with balancing, with understanding human beings you have to have a Mother. And that’s why sometimes people try to become very familiar and start taking advantage or taking liberties, which is a wrong thing. Whatever I am I am and I’m Love - I can’t help it. I really can’t help it. I’m compassion. One day I did feel very disgusted, really. Once I did feel very disgusted with people the way they were, and I was just saying that “Forget it!” And then suddenly, I saw my photograph and I saw my eyes, and I said, “Nirmala, you are compassion, you are compassion, you can’t help it. You just can’t help it.” I have to work it out. I know it means, it means sometimes too much, too much, but I have to work it out. Now, some people come out with a question, “Why You, Mother?” I said, “Why not you, it’s a good idea! Come along and do it!” [Laughter] I’ll be the best - it will be the best for me to retire, and my husband might give you a pension for it, he’ll so happy that I’ve found out somebody who will replace me. But I have not yet found out somebody who will replace me, I wish you could, will be a good idea. Now, the name Nirmala itself is, means Immaculate. Means, the one who is the cleansing power. Is a name of the Goddess also. My, actually sign name is Lalita, is the name of the Primordial Mother - that is the name of the Primordial Mother. But to be a human being with all these centres around you working, for example for the last three days you don’t know how much I am vibrating, you can ask Warren and other people, I asked them to take the vibrations, and they were doing like this, where they couldn’t touch me. They tried to put the hand on the head, and they were just – and they didn’t know how to touch me, even it is so much vibrating. So, it’s not easy to carry this, all this load on this human body, appear like a human being, to act like a human being, to behave like a human being, so that there is a rapport. Why an Incarnation is needed? There has to be a rapport, because the Unconscious cannot talk to you, whatever you see in the dream comes back to you afterwards from the subconscious area - all the ideas will be such a mess, such a confusion and you cannot decide anything. So, it has to come on this earth as a human being and tell you with a language. I never knew English all my life. So, first time I learnt English, but still I don’t know American English. I hope I’ll be able to learn something more when I travel around and it’s a thing that - it’s God’s desire that you are to be realised. It’s all written in the Bible; it’s all written in all the books of the scriptures. It is very largely written in the books of Adi Shankaracharya, who had described me fully, in a very full way. And it’s easy for Indians to get to me. I mean, though I have not much disciples in the cities, but they are aware of my Advent and they know that I am there. Most of them know about it. But they can’t understand why I have come to America. They say that “Why do you come here? The people here won’t accept You.” But I don’t think so, because I think you are great seekers, very great seekers, born in this country - you are a special type, and I have to work for you. I must say the transformation that has taken place in the western sahaja yogis has not been achieved by Indians so much. Though they have an advantage because they are born in a country which has basics, which keeps the attention intact. The attention is very much intact. So, it is easy to work it out there - here it is difficult, it doesn’t appeal to people, but still, you are all great people, so many of you are lost, but they can be all saved. But those who are here should know that you have the greatest opportunity in your lives today to be realised and to give realisation to others. First of all, you have to become all right. Then you can give light to others. Now, the greatest thing that is needed for Sahaja Yoga is wisdom. And logically you will reach at a conclusion and understand that Sahaja Yoga is the end of all the problems of the world. Of all the problems of the world. For example take the capitalism and communism. Now, I am a capitalist, because I have all the powers, and I am the communist, because I cannot enjoy it without giving it to you. But it’s spontaneous, I have not to do it because I think about it, it just works. It is like that. All the problems: political problems, economic problems - everything can be solved. Krishna has said, “Yoga Kshema Vahamyaham.” “When you get your Yoga, you get your well-being.” He has promised it. He could have said it, “Kshema Yoga Vahamyaham.” He did not, he said, “Yoga Kshema Vahamyaham.” First your yoga, first unite. Unite with the Spirit, then you are blessed by all these things. This is the centre of even material wealth, of Lakshmi, which works out. And all the Sahaja Yogis who have been to me, are blessed by material wealth also, but not too much like Mister Ford - that’s an extreme case, that’s a headache, but they get well-being from every angle, in a balanced way and integrated way. So, the last method is of integration - that you get completely integrated. Whatever you do, your heart supports it, your mind supports it, and your body supports it. You are completely integrated in one being - that is your Spirit. May God bless you all. So, now this is the last lecture and I’m going to Philadelphia, and you pray that Philadelphia people get realisation more, and we get more people into Sahaj Yog, and that they become enlightened. Then I’ll be going to Houston, then to Los Angeles and Vancouver for a day. If you have any friends or relatives there you can write to them, take the address, so that they contact and they come down to the program. May God bless you all. Normally, I don’t tell about myself, but today he exposed me as soon as I came, I had to tell, because it’s not tactful. It’s not tactful to say anything. It’s better that you discover me than I tell you, because Christ was crucified, everybody was tortured. I do not want to hamper my work, because it makes no difference by telling you anything before realisation. It’s better to tell you after realisation that I am the Holy Ghost, no doubt. I am the one about which Christ has talked. I had told them, I had never said this on - from a… [Yogini: “Platform”] platform, and I told, they have been telling me, “Mother, You must say that once.” I said, “In America I’ll declare it.” So, today I declare that I am the Holy Ghost, I am the Holy Spirit, who has incarnated on this earth for your realisation. May God bless you. [Second video] Now, any questions? Man: Mother, I’d just like to say, “I love You!” Shri Mataji: What’s it? Man: And I would like to sometime tonight take the rest of the pictures because I’m not sure the others still have. And this is my important question: how can I still my thoughts? Shri Mataji: What did he say? Man: How can I still my thoughts? Warren: He wants to know how can he still his thoughts. Shri Mataji: Eh? Warren: How can he still his thoughts. Shri Mataji: How can he? What? Warren: Make himself thoughtless. Shri Mataji (laughing): You just say Lord’s Prayer. Now, before my photograph. All right? It will work out. Lord’s Prayer is the entry, it’s the entry, no doubt. Warren: There’s a little announcement concerning all of you – there is a photograph of Mataji which is available from Tracy, who is sitting over there, which you can buy, it’s a very good quality black and white photograph, and she has a few tonight. Christine will have a stock of those photographs. There is also a book called “The Advent”, which a few people already received, about Mataji’s advent and about Sahaja Yoga, which you’ll be able to buy once you settle into Sahaja Yoga. Don’t forget that Christine is here, Herman is here, with his home which he has offered as a meeting place for Sahaja Yoga. You should all get together after Mother’s gone, form a nucleus, get yourselves strong, and then begin to give realisation to others. Then you yourself will be able to establish centres in your own district, maybe even go out of New York. This is how it’s going to grow. As Mother said, “If there’s one candle which becomes enlightened, it can enlighten another.” You’ve got a tremendous responsibility. Christine is here to assist you, Tracy is going to the West Coast, and this is how it’s going to spread through America. Take it in your both hands. Shri Mataji: And Steve is in Boston. Steve and Christine are in Boston. Stand up so they can see. Warren: Steve and Christine are in Boston. Christine? Let everybody see you, so that you can get the names and addresses and any contacts, and Tracy will be in the West Coast if you know anybody over there. Shri Mataji: And at Herman’s place. Herman, can you stand up? I’m going to see his place tomorrow. Warren: Where is he? Shri Mataji: Where is he gone? Warren: He couldn’t get here tonight, Mother. He had to work tonight. Shri Mataji: Ah, he had to work tonight, yes. He came here a few times. Lady seeker: You mentioned on the right side is the superego, on the right side of the brain. Warren: You mentioned that the superego is on the right side, instead… Shri Mataji: No, I mean in the sense that it moves like this, you see? And like this. Now, this way. But more super goes on the right side, it presses more on the right side. But the movement is like, you see, the thing is, the division is like this, all right? Question: What type of thinking would increase the activity on this side - would increase the superego? Warren: What sort of thinking would increase the activity of the superego? Shri Mataji: No no no no no no. Warren: What sort of thinking, she is asking. Shri Mataji: What sort of thinking. Question: Is that too much thinking…? Shri Mataji: No, you don’t think now. You see, don’t think. You have to become thoughtlessly aware, first of all, don’t think. But once you are realised, once you are realised, whatever you think happens. Whatever you want happens, because your attention is enlightened. Your attention is enlightened. Like I went to Orléans. There was a lady who was suffering from breast-cancer. And I cured her, she was all right. And I was then in Switzerland, recently, about after a year, and somebody came from Orléans - Robert - and he told me that “Mother, she is all right and she is a Sahaja Yogini. But now she has got a terrible trouble in her kidney and she’s got terrible pain and she is in the hospital”. And as soon as he told me, the pain stopped, and the stone came out. And since that day she is all right. So, it just works that moment. Whatever you ask for, will work, whatever you want for, it will work, because you become collectively conscious and the collective Being helps you. Apart from that all the angels - like Saint Michael, who resides on this side. His birthday was yesterday, day before yesterday, they celebrated Saint Michael’s birthday. Is left side here. And Saint Gabriel is on the right-hand side. And all their armies are with you, they all look after you. For example, a realised soul, established realised soul, is travelling by a train, there will not be an accident. If there is an accident all will be saved. They are saved in such miraculous manners. I mean, there are thousand and one things you will see that you’ll be amazed how you are helped. So, you don’t think, leave it to God! He thinks for you. Question: Yes. How does one know that which someone who is realised? I read a lot about Rajneesh and I met Swami Vishnudevananda and I’m very impressed by both of them. And how do I know that You…? I was impressed by them as I am impressed by You. Shri Mataji: What he’s saying? Warren (repeats): How do you know whether somebody is a realised soul, is a true teacher? Shri Mataji: You see, unless and until you are your Spirit, you cannot. You have to become your Spirit. Then you get your vibratory awareness. You get the cool breeze coming into you. Now, this cool breeze is nothing but is the all-pervading power, which you start feeling on your – you have come for the first time? That’s why. This question is justified, but I’ve told about this. Then you start feeling the all-pervading power, all right? Then you can also feel whether a person is realised or not. But if you are not the Spirit, you can know even logically, for a person who is a realised soul, never can take anything from you. He cannot be a parasite. He doesn’t live by your earnings. Such a person - it’s all right, you can pay for this hall, all right. You can pay for the travelling of the person, it’s all right. But you cannot live on the money of other people. Because you want supposing somebody to come, you can pay for the taxi to come, that’s a different point. Now, such a person will have a temperament which will be very detached, not bothered, is not a money-minded person, is not a worldly person sort of a thing, and is not bothered by mundane things of life. Such a person leads a holy life. Has to be a chaste person. Cannot have married his own secretary or something like that and carry… become a yunky or something and behave like a stupid person. You see, cannot do. All such people cannot be realised souls, one should who - cannot ask for Rolls Royces. I mean, to such a person Rolls Royce is the same as a bullock cart, what is the difference? I mean, you can sleep on the road, you can sleep in the palace, anywhere, makes no difference to such a person. This person can be rich by birth, could be poor, makes no difference. He has that kind of a body that he can adjust himself to any kind of life that is there. So many things can be seen; and he cannot take any effort, he should not make you do any effort, it is he who works. I have to work, you don’t have to work. The person who knows swimming, has to work hard to save the person. Or the person who is to be saved has to work hard? I mean, it’s a simple logic. Simple logic. If they tell you to stand on your head, you tell them that “Are you going to save us or we are going to save ourselves?” Those who have to save have to work hard, very hard. Warren: Yes. Shri Mataji: They have come for the first time. And I know that you’ll ask some questions which was… Seeker: No question. Shri Mataji: All right. Seeker: I have no question; I want to just say something. Shri Mataji: All right. Now tell me. Seeker: I have no questions because I realise that questions very often create resistance. I must tell You that during Your general lecture I felt as if You were speaking to me. Shri Mataji: Correct. I know you are a very great seeker; I could see that. Seeker: And I want to let it sink in, that’s all I want to say, it was beautiful. Shri Mataji: What he’s saying? Warren: He is just speaking, saying how much, when he was listening to You… Shri Mataji: I know, I know, I saw you, I saw you, I could make it out, I was very happy to see you there. Very much happy to see you there. I know, I know, and there are so many like you in this country, which you have to seek and find them out. There are so many, they are just – I don’t know why they are not here, I was expecting them, like you, today. I was expecting you earlier. All right, what is the… Lady seeker: I read this article in a newspaper one week ago, about biological warfare which is taking place in Cambodia. Do You know what that means, biological warfare? Warren (repeats): She read an article in the newspaper about biological warfare which is taking place in Cambodia. Biological warfare. Lady seeker: It means like, You know, they have organisms that, they use organisms which emit a toxin to kill people. Warren (repeats): They use organisms which emit toxins which kill people. Lady seeker: And I am wondering if this is the beginning of the end. Warren (repeats): She says, ‘Is this the beginning of the end?’ Shri Mataji: You see, these things people do because they hate. They hate, they have never known the power of love. They have only known the power of hatred. Power of love is so powerful, so dynamic. You can win them over. It’s nice you brought it to my attention. My attention is on Cambodia. It was on Vietnam, it was on Cambodia, my chitta, my attention. One has to work it out. But now, first of all, you should know of this country, which is going to be destroyed from within. You don’t know how much these gurus have destroyed you. This is a very bad, very, very bad atmosphere. Children can be killed just like that, without even your knowledge. People can be killed just like that, this black magic if it takes over, it can kill you just like that, you will not know. The spirits can work out black magic and be very effective. They can make people commit suicide, thousands of them can commit suicide. I mean, this is a very much more dangerous thing than that biological stuff which you saw much in the open, but this is secret, and you have to be careful. Anything can happen in this country. Apart from that, all of these people you have allowed them to come here, these are anti-Christ. And they have brought all the bad vibrations there. Such bad vibrations that the whole country can go into a big turmoil, I mean, there could be a very big upheaval, earthquakes, can be anything. Horrible things can happen to this country, I mean, you are perched on a very, very serious situation, which you should pay attention to. Don’t pay attention to Cambodia. It’s not so difficult. It can be controlled. It’s more in this country it’s a problem. Warren: Let’s not ask any more political questions. Shri Mataji: One more, all right, let her ask, one more. Warren: Just about the spiritual side. Shri Mataji: All right. Other lady seeker: I feel very confident about the spiritual side so… Shri Mataji: About what? Other lady seeker: So I don’t need to ask about that. Shri Mataji (aside): About what? Other lady seeker: But this I’ve never heard, You see, that which he says now, I don’t understand what he means by secret gurus. Shri Mataji: You see, I’ll tell you what it means. There is a psychological attack, you see? On the psyche of the people, through the spirits. And which is a very serious thing, of which you have no idea, you are very naïve people, absolutely naïve, you have no idea. Even you are playing with parapsychology, is a very dangerous thing. Parapsychology – Russians are like that, extremely naïve. They are getting into this psychological trauma, complete psychological – of which you are not aware! You are not at all aware of it. And that is the attack is going to come on you. Very seriously, it’s possible. Now only imagine, these people are having fifty thousand people, imagine. Madly in love with the anti-Christ – he is a born anti-Christ, he is the anti-Christ, who is here, stationed here. Lady seeker: Who are You referring to? Shri Mataji: To this guru Maharaji. Lady seeker: Oh, guru Maharaji, ah yes. Shri Mataji: So many of them. Rajneesh, you gave him place here. Rajneesh is an anti-Christ. He is horrible, you brought him here. He could not exist in India, he had to run away. All sorts of people you have got here, Mahesh yogi. All of them. Lady seeker: Mahesh yogi also? Shri Mataji: Horrible! He is the worst of all! Lady seeker: Why? Shri Mataji: Why – because he’s destroyed so many people. He’s given epilepsy. His director of his flying squad that he had in [Shri Mataji laughs] – Lady: “In Switzerland” – in Scotland he had the real one in Scotland, and the director was with Mr. Peter Pierce. He came down to me with his epilepsy and his wife and his daughter, and you must see what she has written now, about what he did to her. Before coming to me she gave this interview. I would not have allowed her to do that, but she did it before. And that’s how, he has done it. You get into epilepsy and things like that. I mean, how will you get over your epilepsies, you cannot cure your epilepsy, you don’t know from where it is coming, or you don’t know the source, you don’t know how to cure yourself, you are so naïve! And there are thousands and billions and billions who can’t even see what’s wrong with him. You don’t even understand anything about it. I mean, nothing, you have no idea. Your psychology is like a child compared to the knowledge Indians have about it, I mean, they know all about it. I mean, you may think you are very developed. You might be developed as far as the bridges are concerned and this and that, but as far as the human beings are concerned, you have no idea, you are very simple people. Extremely simple. Lady seeker: But Mother, I have been practising transcendental meditation for nine years… Shri Mataji: That’s it, I know that! (Lady seeker and Shri Mataji laugh) Lady seeker: And… Shri Mataji: You get this catch (Shri Mataji touches Her Ekadasha Rudra area on the forehead). Now you will see, in your rising of the Kundalini you will see here. Lady seeker: Good. Shri Mataji: All right? Lady seeker: I found it to be not a negative thing in my life. Shri Mataji: You are a sweet person. Lady seeker: Thank You. Shri Mataji: You are a seeker. You be kind to yourself, kind to yourself, you are the temple of God. Lady seeker: But I never liked Mahesh yogi. Shri Mataji: (laughing) That’s it! Lady seeker: I took his mantra, two of them. And I… Shri Mataji: The mantra is, that’s what I said, the mantra, you see, is a big science, at every centre there’s a different mantra. He just gives you one mantra… Lady seeker: He gave me two. Shri Mataji: And two, you see, he gives you… Lady seeker: He didn’t give it to me, I had to buy it. Shri Mataji: Good. You see, his mantras are - if you tell in India, they’ll laugh at you. One mantra is tinga, which means this [Shri Mataji makes gesture of right thumb up], showing like this is tinga. Inga – inga means the… Lady seeker: That’s right. Shri Mataji: … the tail, the tail – Inga means the tail of a scorpion. Can you imagine? Lady seeker: I used that one [laughter of yogis]. Shri Mataji: Now, look at that. It is no Sanskrit, nothing, it is horrible! It means horrible! You tell anybody that, “he gave me the mantra of inga”, Indians will laugh, if they know any Sanskrit. Even if they know Hindi language, ordinary Hindi. Ainga: ainga means, a very bad Hindi when somebody has to say, “I come”. Lady seeker: What does it mean? Shri Mataji: It means “I come”. If you have to say, “I’m coming”, it’s a bad Hindi language when you are – you don’t know Hindi language then you say ainga. It’s a [Shri Mataji laughs] – it’s a joke. Seeker: What do you do with your mantra? My – I have one too, I can’t use it, it doesn’t work with me. But it’s still in my mind. It does nothing anyway. Shri Mataji: You throw it away. Seeker: You see, I’ll just forget it. Shri Mataji: You forget it, that’s why the problems you were saying and the doubts. They put the doubts. These horrible ingas, pingas and tingas. There is no gerund like ‘ing’ in Sanskrit. No. It’s from England you must have picked up ‘ing’, I don’t know. I don’t know from where. Oh, he’s horrid. Lady seeker: Good. Thank you. Warren: Yes. Other lady seeker: Mother, the seed words that you use when you like, meditate on the chakras. You start meditating from the lowest up to the top, and do you use the seed words, like lam, yam, sa. No, it’s lam… Shri Mataji: I can’t hear her. Lady seeker: Oh anyhow – if you meditate – is that all right, using the seed words? Warren: If you meditate on the chakras using the seed, seed mantras… Shri Mataji: Just now you don’t do all that, all right? Just now you don’t. [Lady seeker: Just now don’t do it]. Later on. [Lady seeker: Don’t do it?] Just now to establish yourself. You see now, if you use the seed mantras, you just don’t do it just now, because you don’t know where the Kundalini is. First of all, establish yourself. You should know yourself, what is the problem is. Then in Sahaja Yoga we teach everything, one by one: what chakra is catching, what mantra is to be used, what seed mantra is to be – there is no need now to use even seed mantras, because you have got the Kundalini in your hands, you see, so you use the Kundalini mantras. And that’s how. We have got mantras for everything, which you have to learn gradually, do it. But don’t do anything on your own, because still you have to establish yourself fully, isn’t it? Unless and until you are established, say, unless and until you are a fully-fledged engineer, nothing is given into your hands. So first of all, now the time of transition is very important. First you are transformed, but transmutation takes time. Like a caterpillar, you see, becomes a butterfly. But it has to get rid of all the nonsense that was with – bring with it. And that has to take place – one it has to become a butterfly, then it knows how to do the job. All right? So the transition time you have to be very, very careful, grow very steadily and rise. And Christine is here, and also we might send somebody from England for her to help you, and work it out gradually, steadily, steadily, till you achieve a position where you understand deeply. Because all these things you forget. Forget about this so-called knowledge. Like Shankaracharya has said, Adi Shankaracharya, that once you get realised, even this science looks like a child’s play. It’s all this knowledge is non-knowledge. Surdas has said, “O Lord, take away my avidya, take away my non-knowledge.” So just forget about the bija mantras just now, all such books on chakras you throw them away. You have your own book of your experience. You yourself learn it and you become the masters. Masters of Kundalini. You have such powers as Shri Ganesha has. You can raise the Kundalini like this. Even the great and great gurus I’ve met in India, they are jealous of you, take it from me. They are real people, no doubt, but they can’t understand why I have given you realisation so fast. They can’t understand, with all your impurities, how are you raising the Kundalini when they cannot raise it. It’s very interesting that you are made after the pattern of Shri Ganesh, immaculate. So first establish yourself. That is important. All right, now, those who have come for the first time… yes, now? Seeker: I’m just curious, perhaps I have missed what You said, but could You explain what is the Kundalini and how can we raise it? Shri Mataji: Good idea, it’s very good! That’s what I will tell you, that how to raise it yourself. But just now, you see, we’ll first of all give you realisation, then you can use my photograph for some time for raising the Kundalini of other people – you put them before the photograph, you don’t try yourself alone, in the beginning. What you do is to put them before the photograph, all right? And just put a light before the photograph, ask them to put the hands before the photograph. Now you start raising the Kundalini. After them. One hand you may keep with the photograph if you want to, raise with the another hand the Kundalini at the back, just like this. You yourself will feel it rising, and the fellow can feel it also – one hand may not be feeling, another hand may not be feeling, all that, and then you will know which chakras is catching by your fingers, you see, it’s all in the book. Have you got the book? All right, you’ll get the book, it’s there. And then you will know yourself and then you will know what is the chakras that are catching, and, of course, we have a centre, where you will know how to correct the centres, how to establish their realisation. All right? And also, those who want to come to India are welcome, we are having a tour for about – not so many days actually, if you see, it’s about forty days tour – in the villages of India, if you can have a little rough time, if you don’t mind, you can come along, and it will be a good idea. So also that I will inform Christine about it, how we are going to organize it, and you can come there. Because he came with me, just came to me, first of all, and then I took him round, in the villages and then he got established well. Then he went back to Australia, now he has established in seven cities. I mean, not he but others with him, whom he got realised and all that, now in seven cities they have got centres and Sahaja Yoga is spreading very fast. So, that’s how it is. To establish it is not difficult, Christine is here, but you should be steady about it, steady. And forget all that you have read, forget about what you know, just for the time being just become one with your Spirit. And then you start yourself learning what is wrong, what is good. As he asked me how to make out: first you become your Spirit, then you can make it out, then you get the discretion. That power, you get the vibratory power of the cool breeze. All right? Yes? Seeker: Mother, what about Sun Myung Moon? [Laughter] Is he an anti-Christ? Warren (repeats): What about Mr. Moon, the Moonie man? Shri Mataji: Now! [Shri Mataji makes an upset expression] Ah! Seeker: Is he an anti-Christ? Warren: He said, “Is he an anti-Christ?” Shri Mataji: You see, they are all the satans, I tell you. They were born many-a-times and they have been killed many-a-times. Sixteen of them are real satans. And six women. I think, seventy percent of them have settled down here. Six women and sixteen of them are real satanic forces. And this Moon business is, now he is going to Germany. Just imagine. He was driven out of London, so now he’s gone to Germany. I mean, you should understand that when there is love your family system should improve, your relationships should improve; he was using them just for his own purpose, making a business out of them. You cannot make business out of God, and Godly people! Business God does not know, He does not understand your money! He doesn’t understand. I’m so hopelessly bad, you don’t know, ask them. I mean, I am absolutely hopeless, I mean, I don’t understand money at all, I try, I try, I try – but I’ve no brains, my intelligence goes off, I’ve no brains to understand money. You see, so many types of money you have, it’s horrible! [Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs] I get so fed up with the whole stuff. [Shri Mataji laughs] It’s a big joke, I tell you. See, I don’t know even today how to sign a cheque. I’ve to ask him, “You write down everything, I’ll sign.” I’m absolutely hopeless as far as worldly things are concerned. I can’t even open one packet. But I can open your Kundalini. [Laughter] And give you realisation. I’m very bad, at many things. So hopeless you can’t imagine. I depend on you entirely. With this country where everything is to be set, you see, you are set; for this you are set, and I am so unset [Shri Mataji laughs], I don’t know what to do [Shri Mataji laughs, laughter]. Warren: Shall we have it now? Shri Mataji: All right. Put your hands like this, straight. You have to take out your shoes, I’m sorry, is it very cold now? Warren: Take your shoes off. Shri Mataji: [Indistinct] … but doesn’t matter. For a while, for a while, just for a while. Warren: Keeps you, keeps you earthed. Just hold your hands up, press them on your lap is the best, don’t… Shri Mataji: Just be comfortable, first is – and if you have ties and all that, you can little bit loosen your ties, will be better idea for Vishuddhi, is to be. Or if you are wearing anything in your neck better to take it out, it’s better, it will help you. It will help, definitely help. Any material thing around the neck stops, it’s a problem. Just take it out, it’s better [Warren: “Slip it off, just for five minutes”]. Now, if your mind is questioning, tell it to stop, otherwise it will just come in between like a monkey just comes in. Tell the monkey to stop for a while [Shri Mataji laughs]. She has been all the time bothering you. You just … here (indistinct words). Just put your hands straight. Now close your eyes. Better keep your eyes closed because of Agnya, you see, it doesn’t rise above Agnya [Shri Mataji massages some areas on Her head]. Can you get some more water for me? Just let it go, don’t put your attention concentrated anywhere; I mean, if you find your attention is very wobbly, then at the most you can look at your fontanel bone on top of your head; but try not to control the attention, just let it be. Let it be, it will work spontaneously, automatically, you don’t have to do anything, all right? Just keep it loose. Keep your hands straight, and keep your eyes shut. Straight towards me, straight towards me. With your fingers towards me. As if you are asking for your realisation. Keep your eyes shut, that is very important. Don’t say any mantras and don’t push your head too much upward or downward, just keep it in the centre. Do not put any pressure on your Vishuddhi chakra. Just leave it alone. And just sit with a comfortable position. And not with any strain on the body, anywhere – just be very comfortable and relaxed, and just put your hands. Do not strain yourself, at all; you don’t have to strain, you don’t have to work it out, it will just work out automatically. Just keep it straight. Maybe some people might feel a little bit of heat in the hands – doesn’t matter. It will go away. If you have heat in the hands you can throw it away like this, as you throw away the water. And then again put the hands, if there’s heat. [After a gesture from Shri Mataji, Warren starts working on Her Back Agnya with a candle] Open the door. Little bit, little bit. [Shri Mataji puts Her fingers into Her ears, then only the left] (Aside) Right heart. [After a pause during which She works through Her eyes, and Warren works on Her back Agnya and superego with the candle, She raises Her Kundalini] Better. [Warren: “It’s better, it’s cleared. It’s very good”]. You put your right hand again on your heart. Keep your eyes shut. And say that, “Mother, I’m the Spirit.” [People repeat: “Mother, I’m the Spirit.”] Please say it again. [People repeat: “Mother, I’m the Spirit.”] Please say it again. [People repeat: “Mother, I’m the Spirit.”] “Mother, I’m not guilty.” [People repeat: “Mother, I’m not guilty.”] Again. [People repeat: “Mother, I’m not guilty.”] Again. [People repeat: “Mother, I’m not guilty.”] Now just say, “Mother, forgive me if I have done any mistakes.” Without feeling guilty. [People repeat: “Mother, forgive me if I have done any mistakes.”] Again, please. [People repeat: “Mother, forgive me if I have done any mistakes.”] Again, please. [People repeat: “Mother, forgive me if I have done any mistakes.”] Now put both the hands towards me without opening your eyes, and say, “Mother, please give me my realisation.” [People repeat: “Mother, please, give me my realisation.”] Again. [“Mother, please give me my realisation.”] Again. [“Mother, please give me my realisation.”] “Make me my own guru. Please, make me – Mother, make me my own guru.” [People repeat: “Please Mother, make me my own guru.” “Please Mother, make me my own guru.” “Please Mother, make me my own guru.”] Ah! Feeling the cool breeze? Put both the hands towards me. There should be no sense of insecurity, some people do feel – because I’m going away. I’m not going away anywhere, I’m with you every moment, you’ll remember me, I’ll be with you. [Warren continues working with the candle on the back Agnya of Shri Mataji] Hm, good. Felt it? Those who have not felt the cool breeze, raise your hands. All right, keep them raised, all right? Little keep them raised. You can go and see them. See all the new people in any case. She’s got it. See the gentleman here. Put his left to the right. This lady you can see. Xavier? You can see that gentleman there, next to you. She is all right, she’s got it. The another one, second to her. Just see. Yes. Not this, the one next to you. Yes. He had it. See this gentleman here, somebody. Yogi: He’s got it, Mother. [End of video]

Public Program Day 7 (Declaration: “I am the Holy Ghost”). New York (USA), 30 September 1981. Shri Mataji [to Warren]: … the attachments (microphone).Warren: The attachments, it’s all right.Shri Mataji: It’s all right?Warren: It’s good in here because it is very silent, then we don’t need any.Shri Mataji: Good. It’s beautiful.Warren: Is it Your first time in a church?Shri Mataji: No, many-a-times.Warren: Many-a-times.Shri Mataji: But to talk about Agnya in a church, is the first time.Warren: Very good. [Shri Mataji laughs] Yesterday, I told you about this chakra [Shri Mataji points at centre heart on chakra chart] which is a very fiery chakra, because this chakra is occupied by a very fiery deity called as Jagadamba, is the Mother of the Universe. She has to protect Her children who are trying to swim across the ocean of illusion and who are being always hampered by the people who are against God, who are anti-Christ, who are anti-God, who are devils, who are called as rakshasas. And so She has to protect them, and that’s why She is such a fiery Goddess, like a tigress. Actually, one of Her conveyances is a tiger, another is a lion. After that, now today we want to know about this chakra, which is the Vishuddhi chakra, Vishuddhi. America, in the map of the world, is this centre, is Vishuddhi chakra. That’s why it is important to understand what do we stand for, Americans. Now, this centre has got 16 sub-plexuses, and it manifests in the gross the cervical plexus, which looks after all the ears, nose, throat, the eyeballs, and the neck, all the problems of this area. The facial construction depends on this chakra: whatever is the condition of this centre you have the expression on your face. As I told you, it has got 16 sub-plexuses, and all the vowels are created in this centre. Of course, English language has got the vowels which are not scientifically all right. But the Devanagari script has got all the vowels, are 16 in number, and that’s why they are all produced here, in this area. This is the gross side of this centre. The subtle side of this centre is that this is the centre of collectivity. When man raises his head, he sees around himself his fellowmen. And he starts seeking that there must be something very, very common between us – that we are part and parcel of one universal Being, of the great primordial Personality. The central path of Sushumna – of ascendance – creates this primordial Being ultimately, is the final, is the complete form of this ascendance, of the evolution, ends up here. So, this is the primordial Being, if we say this is the primordial Being, and this is the primordial Vishuddhi. Then this Vishuddhi is the one that represents what Muslims say as the Akbar, Akbar aspect of God, the Primordial Great Being. In Sanskrit language it is called as Virata. Now, this primordial Being incarnated on this earth – as I told you that all this aspect incarnates, the central aspect – on this earth as Shri Krishna. And His power was Radha. Ra means energy, dha means the one who sustains. Ra-dha: means the one who sustains the energy is Radha. So on this centre is Shri Krishna and Radha. On the right side is His image as a king: when He went away from Gokul and Mathura after killing a devil called Kamsa who was His uncle actually, He went down to Gujarat and settled down there and ruled that country, there He was called as Vitthala. Vitthala and Rukmini – I’m telling you these names because when you are raising the Kundalini, if the chakra stops there or the Kundalini stops there, you have to take His name. On the left-hand side is His sister, who was just born and was killed again, and She appeared to us as a lightning in the sky. She is called as Vishnumaya. All these three centres are very, very important. When you are collective, then you are ascending through this centre: the power is passing through this. Actually, the root of this (ego and superego) starts from here (Vishuddhi), the root starts from here and grows into this (superego), and then into this (ego) crossing over. The crossing over takes (place) there (Agnya), but the root of the ego and superego starts at this point. Shri Krishna as we know appeared to Arjuna as a Virata, as the Great primordial Being. He saw Him as a very huge, big personality, and he saw in Him all the human beings and all the creations moving about. And he couldn’t bear it anymore, he said, “I don’t want to see it again.” Shri Krishna told the Gita, spoke the Gita, only to Arjuna, only to one person. He didn’t tell it to even a second person, because He was born six thousand years back. That time the maturity of people was so low that He did not, He did not tell about this to anybody else but Arjuna. And it was heard by another person who wrote it down, and Vyasa is the poet who wrote about it. The Gita is the Vedanta, means the end of Vedas. Vedas have got two sides: the first side is where the mantras are there to excite the right side or we can say the elements, and the end of it is the philosophy. And he used that philosophy of Gita, he used that Vedanta philosophy in Gita to explain what is knowledge, what is God, what is Spirit, how to achieve it and what happens. Now Krishna’s basic character of His advent was that: so far for Rama He was the One who lived like a human being and established a special place, or say, established a special character of a benevolent king for other kings to follow. But this one when He came, He found that the whole place was filled with ritualism, with all kinds of dead supra-conscious activities, and subconscious activities, and people were indulging into materialistic things and were very unhappy – so He established Himself as the incarnation of the play, Leela. That the whole world is just a drama, is just a drama, and you are a witness to it. Actually, what happens when you watch a drama, you feel that you are in it – supposing there is Napoleon or somebody who is in the drama: you start feeling you are Napoleon, and even when you go home, you’ll talk like Napoleon for a while, you carry on the joke with you. But it’s a drama, it’s outside you, it is not you. Sometimes, when there is, say, a cinema or something we see, we identify ourselves with the scenes so much that we cry, weep, sometimes feeling very excited. But when the drama is over, then we’ll suddenly realise, “Oh God, it was a drama.” [Laughter] In the same way, this whole life, the human life, is a drama. And the life… whole drama, is only seen when you get your realisation: you become a witness. Now those who have got Realisation should understand that you have become now a witness. Start seeing everything and you’ll be amazed. You’ll feel, “Oh, I’m so much away, I am just witnessing.” There’s a Sahaja Yogini who comes from, who came from India. And she had never travelled before anywhere, even by plane she had never travelled before. And comes from a very traditional family, she has never been out without somebody going with her. Such a person. She got her realisation and she came to America. She told me that “I never felt that I was going to America, that I was going by plane anywhere, that I should be frightened, nothing of the kind. And they were all telling me, ‘Be careful’, I was wondering, what are they worried about? I was least bothered, the whole thing looked like a drama, I got into the plane, I came here and there was a sea of human beings, I couldn’t see my brother, and I think I got lost! I said, “All right, if I am lost, doesn’t matter. I am never lost because I’m with myself.” So I was going to the taxi fellow, I was going to tell him, “Take me down to my brother’s place”, then suddenly the brother got her, got to her and found her. But otherwise she was saying, “I was so relaxed, I was least bothered, most surprising, I was witnessing the whole drama without any, without any consideration about it, or any awareness about it, I was just doing it automatically.” That’s what happens to you. You see the death, and you see the life, and you see the drama. And you do not get involved into it. When you are not involved into it, then you are completely at ease and at peace. As I gave you the example that if you are in the water, then you are worried about the waves. But supposing you get into the boat, then you see the waves as fun. Or if you know how to swim, also you can see it as a fun. So, when you get Realised, when you get your Realisation, then the whole thing becomes like a drama and you start developing your detachment. So, He is the Yogeshwara: He’s the one who is fully detachment. He’s the full detachment. Though He was a king, though He was having a very luxurious life, He was a detached personality. Now He on this earth when He came, He had to have His powers with Him and He didn’t know how to bring those powers in human beings, because He knew He won’t be able to give realisation to people at that time, 6000 years back. So He created a method by which He got 16.000 wives. And all these wives were nothing but His powers-carrying people and there is a big story about it which I think every Indian knows, and you can also find out. He had five - I mean, He became the king, He did all this. And He had five elements as His wives. So His own queens, five of them, were five elements, and 16.000 wives were actually His own powers manifested as human beings. And He came on this earth as Krishna, krishi: krishi means agriculture. Means actually sowing. He sowed the seed, He sowed the seed of spirituality. He said, “Nainam chindanti shastrani nainam dahati pavakah. Nachainam kledayam tyapo na shosayati maruta.” Means this Spirit cannot be killed, it cannot be sucked in, it cannot be destroyed, neither it can be transformed. Is eternal. And to prove that, Christ came on this earth, at this point. And He by His resurrection proved it, that it cannot be killed. Now I will tell you about Shri Krishna’s life as a diplomat, He was a diplomat. He was the incarnation of diplomacy. And the best diplomacy is such that you give such conditions which are absurd. If you give absurd conditions, then a person gets toppled down over it, and then he succumbs. Because if you approach directly someone, then the people are very half-baked, and they start intellectualising everything and rationalising. So, better thing is put a proposition before them which is absurd, and let them find out for themselves, and then they come to you with surrendered mind. Now I’ll explain to you how. Arjuna was His disciple, and Arjuna, when he went to war with Kauravas, who were the satanic forces in those days, got into a mood of despondence, and he said that “These are – in these are my relations, these are, there’s my one of my gurus who taught me how to use the arrow – and how am I to fight these people?” So then He told the Gita, that time He spoke the Gita to him. And He said that – the first thing He said that you should find your Self, you must have Self-knowledge, you should get realisation, you should have the knowledge. Knowledge doesn’t mean the idea about this architecture and all that, but knowledge is the awareness of your Spirit. So Arjuna being that time a mediocre, I should say, an intellectual [Shri Mataji laughs] – he asked Him a question, as usual intellectuals are good at asking questions, never giving answers [Shri Mataji laughs, laughter]. So the intellectual asked Him that “You are telling us to go to war, and here You are telling me to find my Spirit. How do these two things meet?”, because according to many people who are talking today also, that a man who is realised should not fight, he should sit down and bear all the brunts of the things upon himself, he should suffer. So he said that “How do You say that I become the Spirit and then I have to fight these evil forces? Why should I fight these evil forces then?” So He said that “All right, he is a person who is a mediocre, it’s very difficult to tell him how to do it.” Actually, it is very simple. When you are a witness, you can fight better. You have to fight the evil forces, why are you enlightened if you cannot fight the darkness? You have been made a light to fight the darkness, and not to be happy with yourself: “Oh, I’m the light, I’m the light, I’m the light.” But you have to fight the darkness, and this they would not accept, that “Why should we fight the darkness?” So He said, “All right. What you do is to do what you want to do and put the fruit of your doing at the Lotus Feet of the Lord.” Now this is absurd, this is an absurd condition. Like you do your karmas, but put the fruit of that at the Lotus Feet of the Lord. It is an absurd condition, you just can’t do it. Why? Because you have got Mr. Ego sitting down there. Whenever you do something, you always say you are doing it. And even if you say, “Oh, I have married Christ and this is God’s work I’m doing”, you may say it, but in your heart of hearts it is not so. Because you have not got that hollow personality where there is no ego. You must get rid of this ego, otherwise you are doing the work and you are conscious – it’s a myth, actually human beings don’t do anything whatsoever. It’s a myth. For example, we have built this beautiful church. Now what have you got? Whatever was created by God, you just changed the forms of that and put it this way. Dead from the dead. What living work have you done? You cannot transform one flower into a fruit, can you? So, it’s a myth we believe in that we do this, we do that, we do this. Actually, you don’t do anything. You only change forms of the dead from this to that. And this myth that you have got, that you do, accumulates here [Shri Mataji laughs], as this bile-coloured stuff on your head [Shri Mataji points at ego on chakra chart]. It can be quite big, here it is shown it can be so big as that [laughter], even bigger than your body, bigger than this big dome. The one who must have made this must have been – may be having a bigger thing than that, can be possible you see, and then he walked like this on the road, you don’t know how to balance yourself with all this big thing on your head, all the time this ego telling you, “Oh, you are the great.” And you meet such a person, better be careful. Keep away from people who have done great works. Otherwise they will use you for something else. So keep away from all such people. That’s what is the best. So this Mr. Ego develops into a big thing. And when it develops, it just gives you ideas that, first of all it makes you think, “Oh, you are great, you are very great.” And then sometimes you get punches on it, because people don’t accept you as that great as you think yourself to be, then with the punch it grows even bigger – with one more punch it’s like a rubber balloon, you see, you punch it, it goes up, again you punch it, it… - both ways it’s horrible: it can be pumped in or it can be punched in. And once it is punched in, then it can be very, very big, and then you don’t know what to do, so you recoil down into your left Vishuddhi here. Then you say, “Oh, I should not have done it”, because you think by doing that, your ego is hurt. You just go there to feel guilty, because you think by doing that, your ego is hurt. Your image is spoilt, your so-called image of this big balloon is spoilt so you feel hurt. Now this happening of giving it or to surrendering it at the Lotus Feet of Lord can only happen when your realisation takes place. Now those people who have got realisation, what do you do? You say, “Mother, it is going, it is coming. It’s not going, it’s not working.” You become a third person. You raise the Kundalini – say you have a friend, you bring the friend along. Now, the friend doesn’t get realisation. You don’t say, “I have given realisation”, you don’t say, “I raised the Kundalini”, but what you do is to say that “Mother, it’s not yet working, it’s little hot this side, there’s a, this finger burning, this chakra is catching.” But you say everything in the third person, you never say “I do”. Even if your son is not realised, or if your father is not realised, you will tell him, “I’m sorry, you can’t get realisation, it is not working.” It. You become the third person. And that is what it is, when it flows you say, “It’s flowing, it’s working, it’s there.” This is the theory that He tried to propound, that the whole thing should become, the karma should become akarma. Like the sun: the sun shines, but the sun doesn’t – is not conscious that it is shining, it’s just emitting. It’s not bothered. It’s not conscious of it. It comes, it changes so many leaves into – gives them colour, gives oxygen – does all kinds of things and it goes back. Least bothered. It is just emitting. It does not require any kind of a self-satisfaction that “I have done it, I am doing it.” That kind of a thing should happen to you when you just become an akarma. That is what He was saying. This is the karma theory of Shri Krishna. But He said that a day will come when you will get your realisation and then this karma will be sucked in. Christ is the embodiment of all that Krishna prophesized or said, He came on this earth to prove it. The second thing that He talked about is about the Bhakti Yoga, that you must – you worship by your, this side – that you must worship God, that you must surrender yourself to God. Now, when we say that we pray to God, we ask for [from] Him – I mean, we ask everything, I mean, the way we ask God all the time really is something so horrible. Like we’ll say that, “Now I want to have a divorce, get cancer for my wife, or do this for…” I mean, all sorts of things we ask for. We say that “We are in the war, we should win, the enemy should be lost”, and all sorts of things we ask for [from] God. I mean, God must be fed up the way we ask things [laughter, Shri Mataji laughs]. But whatever it is, to surrender at the Lotus Feet of God, through your worship, Krishna has been diplomatic again. He said that, “If you have to do "bhakti", worship, it should be ananya, ananya.” Now, this word is the most diplomatic, and He used it again and again with all these scholars and all these people have missed it. "Ananya" means when there is not the other, when you are connected. You must do the surrendering when you are connected, which is very true. Without connection, if you start doing any bhakti, whom are you doing the bhakti? If there is no connection – supposing I’m sitting in London, you are here. You are writing letters after letters, letters after letters, I never receive them, I never read them, I’ve nothing to do with it. So what’s the use? You must have some connection with God Almighty: then whatever bhakti you do it has a meaning. So, before Realisation, the bhakti has no meaning. Like these mad people “Hare Rama Hare Krishna, Hare Rama Hare Krishna” – by saying these things if you can achieve anything - then it is the easiest, but the one thing that you spoil is this centre. You spoil the worst of all, and they always get throat cancer. The reason is, the first of all, you spoil the centre; you spoil the centre because you go on saying, “Hare Rama Hare Krishna” too many times. What is there to take God’s name like that? It’s very, very cheap thing. If you are realised, you don’t have to take God’s name like that. There’s a protocol of God: if you are to take His name, you have to take it properly, with a protocol, even after realisation. But if you just go on saying, “Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ, Christ”, all the way – Christ will be so angry with you. What is it? Is He such a cheap thing? First of all you’ll spoil, the name, here, by taking - I mean, mechanically, I mean, physically you will spoil this throat. I mean, when I also speak too much I have to get some sort of a soothing thing for my throat. So you can imagine a person who is not realised, who has no idea as to what name to be taken, he takes that name all the time, the “mantras” so-called that are given to you. You get spoiled this [Central Vishuddhi], plus you spoil your - this mantra [left Vishuddhi], because this left side, because you have taken the unauthorised name of Shri Krishna. So you are in for a throat cancer. If you want to get it, you better join this “Hare Rama Hare Krishna” cult. And they think they are very near Krishna. How will they recognise Shri Krishna? But this chakra is the best among others for one reason: if this chakra is spoilt, say – smoking spoils it a little bit. In the beginning if it is too much smoking it spoils very badly. Then the, from the cervical plexus, the nerves go down on both the sides. And the sensitivity in the hands is so little, that when you start feeling the vibrations, you may feel a jet of air coming out of your head, a great jet, but in the hands you may not feel anything at all. At all, there are many who just don’t feel anything in the hands. In the beginning they just don’t feel, because their hands are not sensitive. They have done greatest harm to their cervical plexus. And that’s why this chakra is stopped. It doesn’t give you the sensitivity, though the Kundalini has crossed through. But gradually then Kundalini spreads on the sides and gives energy to this centre, which passes through the system, and then you start feeling in the hands the all-pervading Power which is the knowledge. Otherwise people don’t feel it, they may feel it in the head but not in the hands. I was really shocked when I came here nine years back, that this country was nothing but a chimney. That time, everyone – whether it was a woman, or a man, or a child – everyone used to smoke, and so much of smoking that, really, I didn’t know how this Vishuddhi, the America, is going to live. [Now, please pay attention here, all right? Don’t turn round your heads. Now.] Now, this centre should be used in such a manner that you keep your collectivity. A person who is an individualist, who keeps away from collective beings, who does not give vibrations, sits at home before my photograph, wants to take vibrations and all that – such a person will not be able to progress much in Sahaja Yoga. This has an inlet and an outlet. Unless and until you give, there is an outlet, there will not be the inlet of vibrations. With your hands you give to others. Now, the fourth thing Krishna has said is the Raja Yoga, in which you get Kundalini awakening and you get all these chakras acting. He has given actually the action into which they move. Like the bandhas take place, how these chakras go and sort of catch hold of that part of the Kundalini and hold it up. And how these bandhas take place, all He has described; is the thing that happens when Kundalini starts. Like one can describe that when the car starts, the car starts moving and the, all the other small bolts and nuts, and all of them are there, they also start then moving one after another. The whole mechanism, the works, you can say, starts manifesting itself. In the same way, within us it starts working, this is what He said. But people are using it for Kriya Yoga which is nonsense. Like you sit down, hold your stomach. But the Kundalini has not started: why are you holding your stomach, and hold your nose, then you hold these ears? What is the use? The Kundalini has not yet started: why are you doing all this nonsense? You see, there is this here your Yogananda, who has taught this nonsense to you of Kriya Yoga. I mean, horrible it is. The amount of diseases one can get from this… I mean, unnecessarily you shave your head. Why to shave your head? By shaving your head are you going to go to God? Then why has He given you hair? They shave their head – nonsense it is, absolutely, to shave your head. The sheep is shaved every week - every year twice: and by shaving your head, you are not going to go to God. These all nonsensical ideas to shave your head, to wear a funny dress, walk seriously like this, and you’ll go to God? One must understand that the happening has to take place of Kundalini awakening has to take place itself, is a spontaneous, is a living thing. By doing all these artificial things you are spoiling yourself completely. It automatically happens. But all this mechanism, you don’t have to worry, because once the Kundalini rises, it happens. What is actually, I now feel that Krishna never knew that human beings will be so mad. For example supposing, if your car has not started, do you start moving its machinery by hand? And believe that the car has started moving? It’s the most absurd thing to do to spoil the car. And that’s what exactly you do, when you try to do this Kriya Yoga. There is a-kriya, you don’t have to do any action. The action takes place by itself, it is built-in. It is within you. I will give you another example, supposing there’s a seed, and you want to sprout it. Will you try to pull the primule out of it? (Laughter) Will it sprout? It’s that senseless, I tell you, the way people try to do all these tricks, standing on their head and… God has given us legs to stand, not the head to stand. I don’t know from where this idea has come that you stand on your head. By that Kundalini is never awakened. It is for a certain disease, that that head standing is good, but not for everyone. It’s for a cure of a disease, that’s all. All sorts of funny ideas, even people drink urine! I mean, all sorts of things they do, nonsensical things, you know, to get to Realisation. There was one lady of Neem Karoli Baba, he’s another horrible fellow. And she came to me and she was like this, like this, like this. I told her, “What did you do there? What did you do with this man?” “Oooh Mother, he blessed me specially.” I said, “What?” “He gave me his water.” I said, “His water? What is his water is this?” [Laughter] And this is the water she drank, for days together, for years together, and now she says, “I can’t forget him!” Imagine, to bring God to that level! I mean, can there be a greater blasphemy and ridiculous way of treating God Almighty who has created you? There’s no respect! No respect! You don’t respect yourself, you don’t respect your chastity, you don’t respect your private parts. How can you respect God? This is what it is, and they teach you not to respect. And this is what happens when you start reading Gita – you see, they are all blind people, blind people can’t read Gita. Blind people cannot read Bible: they’ll never understand, they will never understand the inner meaning of it and they’ll just twist it for their own purpose. Now the left-hand side is the one that gives you, what you call, the guilt feeling. I don’t know whom to blame now. For example, say, the churches, the Catholic churches. I mean, when did Christ say that you are guilty? From where did they pick up this? I cannot say from where they picked it up. Christ could never have said that you are guilty, that you should feel guilty, that you should suffer. I mean, from childhood if you tell somebody that “You are guilty”, he’ll become automatically, it’s a conditioning on the person. He will devise methods to find out that what guilt he has. After all, you are a human being, and you can make mistakes. And you are blind, God knows that! And He also knows that all your mistakes are to be forgiven. They are to be forgiven, and you are to be given realisation. He is worried about His own creation, isn’t He? Is He going to waste you only because you have committed some mistakes here and there? And what mistakes can you commit? That also let’s see. He is the ocean of love. He is the ocean of compassion. He is the ocean of forgiveness. He is ocean, and you are a drop in the ocean. And how much a drop can carry a dirt that He cannot cleanse? Think of it. Think of it when you say you are guilty. This is a fashion that is developed here, and sometimes I find this guilt is nothing but this Mr. Ego coils up into it and says, “All right, I’m guilty, finished.” It is not facing the fact. Supposing you have done the mistake, what’s the use of saying, “I have done the mistake, I have done the mistake, I have done the mistake”? Do you correct it? Do you correct it by that, saying that “I have done the mistake, now I’ve done the mistake”? It would be something, say, we got lost in the car, and we went into another road. Now we sit down there crying, “Oh, we have made the mistake, better sit down.” Here people are waiting for me, all right, for the programme, and I am sitting down there crying, “We have done the mistake, we have come to the wrong line, we should not have been here.” If I have done the mistake, correct it and come back to the right position! Go on correcting it! Instead of that, this is the best way of sitting down saying, “We have done the mistake, I should not have done this, I should not have done this.” Putting down yourself, “I can’t do it” – to be diffident all the time – “Oh, I just can’t do it.” This could be very dangerous, very dangerous. For example, supposing in an accident you have harmed somebody. Now you sit down there, “Oh I have done the mistake, I’ve committed the mistake.” Oh please, get hold up of that person whom you have harmed, take him to the hospital, get him treated! This is the way we do not face by feeling guilty. It’s a very good way of Mr. Ego to coil up into the left Vishuddhi and say, “Oh, you are guilty.” Who are you to judge yourself? Why do you judge yourself? How do you judge yourself? You have no method of judging yourself. All the time you find out ways and methods of feeling diffident in life. And such diffident people, what are they going to do? You have to take swords in your hand of honesty and of dedication to God’s work. There they are standing with the sword like this [shaking]. They can’t even handle a little stick in their hand, what are they going to do? Because they are all very guilty people, all the time shaking. Why to feel guilty, by making yourself so diffident and useless warrior of God’s work? This guilt is the worst thing, and in Sahaja Yoga, the first mantra always I ask to say, “I am not guilty.” You don’t judge yourself like that. You have no business to condemn yourself. God has created you with such difficulties, now understand it. You are above everything that is [Indistinct], much above these things, much above all these flowers, much above all the stars, all the sky that is created. And here you are, like fools you are feeling guilty and sitting down at home and spoiling the work of God! You have to get to your Realisation, you have to get to your absolute, you have to get to your own being! And become what you are, and not to waste all the work that He has done here [Shri Mataji points at chakra chart]. How He must be feeling! How much He has done for you, to become this! And here you are, on a small thing you just slip out, and spoil the complete work. Is this the way to behave towards your Father? And towards your Mother? And towards Christ, their son? Is this the way to treat? We have to stand up with courage, with fearlessness. This gives you fear, unnecessary botheration, and worries, and you start thinking about things which do not exist, all imaginary. Left Vishuddhi is a curse of modern times. And I would request you all to come out of it. Every morning you tell yourself that “I’m not guilty!” You must say it thrice in the morning and thrice in the evening. [Laughter] What is there to feel guilty about? I wish Christ had included this in the prayer. But you have to forgive yourself, first of all. I mean, He could never have imagined that humans – human beings – would be so stupid as to all the time say that “I am guilty, I can’t forgive myself.” Human beings have escapes for everything. Now this is a new modern method they have devised of running away from reality. Reality is to be faced, and to be enjoyed. It is called as veeraja, is the one that has to permeate into, joy. You come and sit on the throne and enjoy. [Shri Mataji coughs] Today my Vishuddhi is out – now see. [Shri Mataji goes to drink] Now, I have been able to tell you in short about Vishuddhi chakra. Let’s go to the another chakra here which is called as the Agnya chakra. Agnya chakra resides in the centre of optic chiasma. Optic chiasma is the one which crosses each other, and in the centre of it is the special centre called as Agnya chakra. Is a very subtle centre, and this centre is adorned by our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the son of Mahalakshmi. Is the son of the entire Power that resides here [Shri Mataji points all along central channel on chakra chart]. Is the Mahalakshmi, the Viratangana, the wife of Virata, the power of the Primordial. He is the son created by Her and is very well described in the Devi Purana and other books, which are not yet translated, I think, in English, as Mahavishnu. He is called as Mahavishnu, so the Vishnu’s greater form; but He is the son of Vishnu [Shri Mataji points at Agnya chakra on chakra chart], He is the son of Shri Krishna. Shri Krishna had described Him as somebody who is the Adhara, is the support of the whole universe. He has given him a higher position than Himself, see [Shri Mataji shows on chakra chart that Agnya is placed higher than Vishuddhi]. And He said, “This One, when He will be coming on this earth, He will prove all that I have said. He’ll prove because He will be the essence, He will be the Omkara, He will be the all-pervading power, He’ll walk on the water. Not only, but He’ll be resurrected, His body will be resurrected.” He has described Him fully there, and He has given Him the highest position that He is the Adhar, He is the support, because He lives there at the Muladhara also, at the support of the root. And He resides – actually, He is the vice-chancellor of this university, we can say, that at every point [Shri Mataji points at the various chakras on chakra chart] we have to have Him to certify. If He is not there, you cannot, you cannot awaken the Kundalini, if you don’t believe in Him you cannot retain your realisation. Yesterday, a lady asked me, “Can we not do it without Christ?” I said, “I’m sorry.” Without Christ – because He is all-pervading, He is the Omkara, He is the One who is the power, He is the One who is flowing in us, He is the Spirit. Now, if you are seeking the Spirit, how can you do it without it? It’s an absurd question. It is He came on this point [Agnya], and this being a narrow path, He had to pass through it to prove what Krishna had said, that it cannot be killed, He got Himself crucified. It was a drama played by Him. His Mother was the Holy Ghost, was the part that is the Mahalakshmi, but He didn’t say a word about Her. He didn’t say, because if He had said it, people would have put their attention to Her, and He is bestowed with eleven powers of destruction. He is such a powerful person. You may show Him as a lanky-panky fellow because that satisfies your sadism, you want to see Christ like that – He was not like that. He was, He is only painted by, I think, Rubens very well, but the best is that in the Sistine Chapel, where Michelangelo has really boldly painted Him the way He was. He was a tall – not very tall, quite tall – and a very healthy and a hefty person with a big stomach. He is known as Lambodara, with a big stomach. And He could carry such a huge, big cross on His back. So people when they showed Him, I mean, then I was amazed at it, how could they show Christ in such a miserable state, how could they do it, I mean, horrible it is! This is just their own expression, that’s how they wanted Him to be, these are the people who must have definitely crucified Christ. Because they liked to see Him so miserable and unhappy. How can a person who is a realised soul be that way? He has to be a cheerful person, fiery, dynamic! It has to be a healthy person! A miserable person supposing before you stands and talks like this – are you going to believe that person? But this is the way they have treated Christ throughout – they have maligned Him, and they have treated Him, they have – He has been crucified so many times. I find it impossible to believe that how these people are reborn who crucified Him again! And again and again they are crucifying Him. The crucifixion is not the message of Christ. That’s why I also don’t like people to wear the cross, I can’t see the cross. It’s not! Cross, of course, is very helpful, because if the bad spirits see the cross they run away. But it is a reminder of something which was unbearable. Because the Mother had all the power, She was Mahalakshmi. He had eleven powers, eleven powers to destroy. You can imagine, He has still those powers. And He had to go through all that without destruction. He saw through it. Now, people may say, “How was He resurrected?” First of all, they have an objection to Immaculate Conception. I mean, they have objection for everything. He was not a human being. He was the Divine Power! I conceive you in my heart. Do you know that? And I put my Kundalini and I put you on my - from my heart into it and I take you out from here [Shri Mataji probably shows Sahasrara on the chakra chart]. The way you have got your second birth, in the same way, Christ got His immaculate birth. She put Him in the heart and into the uterus down below and She created Him. It’s very easy to doubt Him and say things against Him because He is no more. And the Jews must learn a lesson now. They denied Him once and they have suffered. Now, don’t deny Him again. You cannot deny the person, the embodiment of this Divine Power. Christians may be blown off, if Christians have tortured you, forget them, they are just the same as you are - fanatics, fanatics, fanatics. Whether they are Christians or they are Muslims - Khomeini is the same as any other person. I do not find any difference whatsoever. Dogmatic, ignorant, fanatic. Forget these people, they do not stand for Christ. Christ Himself has said in second chapter of Matthews, II verse, “You’ll be calling Me, ‘Christ, Christ, I won’t recognise you.’ Who are these?” The people who say, “Christ - we are the solicitors of Christ. We are the people who are in charge of Christ.” All of these people will be charged, and they will be thrown away in the hell the way they have managed things about Christ. Some of them are genuine - they don’t know that this is artificial, they are genuinely in it, but they must get their realisation. They must ask for their real realisation and they must know what is Christ within themselves, they have to awaken this Christ here. Now, as I was telling you that Christ said that “You are to be born again”, that “I’m to be born in your heart.” Now, the heart centre is here as well as here because the heart is controlled by this centre at the fontanel bone area. And that’s what He said that “You should get your realisation”, when He said, “You should be put in the heart.” Now, the people of various countries, even your country, went down to India. And they never told that Christ was born who was the Mahavishnu. Because He is already described in the Puranas that He is the Adhara - He is the One who will be - once awakened in the Kundalini, [Shri Mataji corrects Herself] by the Kundalini – will suck your karmas. They never went and told, so the Indians went on with their karma-theory, and these gurus have come here to teach you karma. It is amazing how you accept all these theories of nonsense. Like they’ll say that “You have to suffer, because you have done bad karmas.” Then they may say that “Yes, you can give you a balance, but you go this way or that way and you just keep into balance”. If that is so - that you have to go to one extreme and to another extreme - then what are they doing here? Why are they talking? They too should shut up, because they cannot do anything. They cannot give you realisation. They cannot save you from this situation. So, it’s better that you suffer. But why do they say you should suffer? Why should they say? Because they want to enjoy your sufferings. They want you to suffer because they enjoy it. So many of these disciples who came from these horrible gurus, who said, “You must have your karmas and you must suffer”, told me that they saw their gurus giggling at them and mocking at them. And they showed me some of the photographs they had taken of these gurus, which show complete mockery of these stupid disciples who were suffering in their body and suffering in their mind, in the presence of these gurus. So, they have a double enjoyment - one the money, another is the sadism, and third, the greatest of all, that their purpose is to kill you all and to destroy you all, because you are God’s men. That they achieve by their falsehood, because you are impressed by their falsehood. Now, see, if there was any false guru here this hall would be filled, the whole thing would be filled, on the road there would be a jam. But the real guru - I have seen not only here - everywhere it starts very slowly. Of course, in a place where people are very simple and who are very sensitive it’s a different point. But the people in a city specially, they are so insensitive to reality and so sensitive to devils that it is surprising, they feel very much at home with the devils and very much lost with the reality. Because you are in falsehood! So, you must know that you have to become the real. You have to become that which is the Spirit, which is not so far, is shining in your central nervous system, in your awareness. And this is the Spirit, is the One, is Christ. I’ve spoken before also in the churches, but today for the first time I am speaking about Christ in a church. And that’s why I was very happy that at least in this church I would say something that could establish Him, and that when people will come here, I hope they get their realisation and that something works out here, they get at least the awakening, because so many saints are sitting in front of me. Maybe that one day will come in this church, maybe, it may work out that people will get their realisation. Christ’s life was only for three, four years. Nobody allowed Him to live longer than that. Whatever was possible was done, but such stupid people, such stupid people, you could not talk to them. And that’s how they killed Him. He could not speak to them anymore and that’s how His life was finished. But in that small life of His - what a spark it was! What a spark it was! The way people have behaved towards Him is atrocious, I must say. I must say the apostles themselves, because this Matthews and this - he was such an intellectual, such an intellectual - he would not accept the idea of Immaculate Conception. Very difficult man - he would argue it out. He said, “If a virgin is going to give the child, then everybody is going to say that it’s a very, very blasphemous thing, it’s a very, very illegitimate thing and it should not be spoken of.” Horrible fellow and one better than the other. And when they took up about the spreading of Christianity, they took it in such a funny way, because they became supra-conscious before that. They started speaking the languages of so many people. That part of Bible is wrong where they became not realised. The wind part is all right, but so many people I’ve seen who come to my program, when they come for realisation, they feel the wind for a while and immediately they shunt off and become supra-conscious. Now, we’ll see what is supra-conscious entry and the subconscious entry. Now you see here there are two buds. These are the two petals. One controls, of course, the pituitary, that controls the ego, and the pineal, that controls the superego. But this also has a capacity to bloat this out this way, and bloat this out this way. Supposing you become supra-conscious: for start, you start thinking too much, about - something about the future, what must be the galaxy, we should find out about it and you must find out about the stars and about all these things and about future, about - say – prophecies, what else is that is, astrology, and all these, you see, futuristic. You people are mostly futuristic, you try to plan, you try to do - and every plan fails, of course. But this thinking of planning of too much can push this up this side, too much. Actually, as shown here is this side, but actually, when it is placed, it is placed like this. The ego is placed like this and the superego is like this. Here we could not show the three dimensions. So, from the back to this side is the superego, and from here to here is the ego. Now, this ego bloats out this way - into this side. And when it bloats out this side it goes into the supra-conscious area. So it comes up this side. Now, the supra-conscious area gives you visions, hallucinations. LSD does that, LSD does that. Then you start seeing some eye of a person, who is a dead person, but a very ambitious person, for example you might get the vision of Hitler. You might get the vision of, say, all these horrible kings who ruled here. You might get, you see, colours. You may see auras. And one has to understand here that these auras start coming to us, because we shift, we disintegrate from our being. That’s how we start seeing something else separated from us. To see auras is not a good sign in Sahaja Yoga. If you are seeing auras, we have to bring you back to the same position, because you have to be in the present and not in the future. You get disintegrated. For example, if there’s a machine, say, which takes the auras - auras, I was talking to someone, who has done that work of aura-picturing. Now, before - after realisation you don’t get any auras in a person, cannot get any auras in a person, because he is integrated, completely integrated. But when he is in a mess, you start getting the auras. Like if he has cancer you’ll get auras, if he is an alcoholic you’ll get auras, the kind with crazy auras, a normal person may have auras not so much crazy. But auras you cannot feel when the whole thing is integrated. You can see in a, say, light; if there is no aberration that means it’s a good light. If there is aberration, then it’s a bad light. All the seven colours of a light has to be concentrated and has to be integrated. If they are prismatic and if they are giving you separately, then it is not one integration. And when it is one integration, then you cannot see seven lights. So, the person is not integrated. Now, all these auras come to us, because we are made of seven type of cocoons within us. But the people who are on the right side only believe in the five cocoons, they call them "koshas". I don’t think if I have time for that, but these are the koshas have been created by - one is created by the first centre, by the second centre, by the third centre - this is how the physical goes - thing. By the fourth one, then the fifth one. And the sixth and the seventh are the things that they do not create auras outside - they create inside near the heart. And these are created near the heart, but as soon as you get your realisation, they all become one. They all merge into one and that is the Spirit. So, as if you can say when the Spirit exists in a prismatic state, then you get the auras of seven, but when it becomes integrated that you become one, all the auras become one. So, integration is the aim of Sahaja Yoga and now, I think, I have told you how you can also go to the sub-conscious area, the same way. The sub-conscious area is on the left-hand side. If you move into collective sub-conscious area, say for example, you can be triggered into cancer. By this triggering you might get heart attacks and things like that, diabetes. Now, many people believe sugar gives you diabetes - is nonsense. Sugar doesn’t give you diabetes. What gives the diabetes is too much thinking. Those who do not think too much never get. Indian farmers never get diabetes - they don’t know what disease this is. Because you think too much, you work too much, this centre works too much. It has to create food for the brain, it has to replace the brain centres. And these brain centres are to be replaced. For that it creates out of fat the new centres, the evolved cells, like I said here. And because of that work, if it is too much, it neglects the other things which it has to work out throughout, one of them is the spleen, another is pancreas. And when it neglects the pancreas you get diabetes. Not by sugar. Of course, sugar because it has to convert it into fat. But if you do not have sugar then it’s a double work. If you have sugar, it converts it into fat and makes it useful for your brain. But if you think too much, then - and you don’t take sugar - it’s a double action. But if you just take sugar and do not think also can be problem, I think, because he has to convert too much of - into fat, you see. So, too much work is given, there is no balance. So, one has to understand that too much sugar is not good, but you must take sugar, because the sugar is needed - and stop your thinking. How do you stop your thinking? Only by rising above the Agnya chakra. This is a very, very important point at Agnya that you must know that the thinking stops. Now, the thinking comes to you like this - like a wave. It rises the thought and falls off. Another thought rises and falls off. In between there is a place called as "Vilamba". Now, when the thought rises it automatically falls round; you can see the rising of the thought, but not falling off. Now, this space is the place of present. This rises either from the ego or superego and goes into the past. The in-between space is the present. One is the future, one is the past. Now, this place has to increase. When it increases, then what happens is that Agnya chakra opens more, and you become thoughtlessly aware. You become thoughtlessly aware, you come in the present. There’s no thought. And thought is the barrier between the creation and ourselves. For example, you look at this - say, a beautiful stone that is placed there or anything. You watch it. Now, if you want to think, “Oh, it looks like a man, it looks like a devil or it looks like a God”, or whatever it is, there’s a thought you are putting into. So, what you do when you are realised, you just watch - you watch. And whatever the joy is put there of the creator, of an artist, completely is within you, because there is no thought. There is no wave, there is no disturbance in a completely silent lake. All that is around it, all that creation comes into it, absolutely reflected and you enjoy it in thoughtless awareness - called as Nirvichara Samadhi. There’s complete Nirvichara, where you have no thought, and you start enjoying that creation completely, the joy of that is there, nothing is lost. So, the thoughtless awareness comes in when the Kundalini crosses this Agnya chakra. It does double work. First it makes you thoughtlessly aware. Secondly, because the Kundalini, if it has pierced through, it pushes these, and She fills these with the grace. The Grace falls on these. When the grace comes in, you start relaxing, these centres also relax. These centres are in a tension. But when the grace comes in, they go back into normal. So, there is more sort of expansion and the thoughtless awareness starts establishing itself at the Agnya chakra. Now, the mantra of Agnya chakra is the Lord’s Prayer. It has got two sides, Ham and Ksham. Ham means “I am” and Ksham means “I forgive”. So, if supposing this is catching, you have to say, “I forgive”. If there is ego within us you should say, “I forgive”. If there is superego within us you should say, “I am! I am!” So, it is Ham and Ksham, is the Bija, is the seed. Is a seed of the prayer - Lord’s Prayer. Now, there are people who are talking the Lord’s Prayer is not all right. I mean, who are you, what do you know about it? Everybody is challenging everyone. What do you know? What is your authority? The trouble is everybody is entitled to do what they like with religion and with God. Though they do not know anything about it, they are absolutely ignorant, but they think they have a right. Because there is no political control over it. Even Hitler can talk about Christ, anybody can talk about Him. And about the Prayer that He taught you, who are you to challenge it? Who are you to challenge Him? I can’t understand how do you challenge a person without knowing your own position in relation to Him. But this is a very, very common thing that people do and is due to ego. Ego makes you high-handed. And this is the worst type of high-handedness that you challenge God, you challenge Christ, you challenge everything which you don’t understand. Your mind is limited. It’s a very limited vehicle. You cannot do anything with this mind of yours. You have to go beyond it. Somebody has to trigger you into the space, you have to go into there. You have to become the Spirit. Only by realising your Spirit you can get connected with God, which before that you are not connected. That’s why you have to become the Spirit. And the Spirit is the connection, is the link with God. There is no other way you can be linked with God. If you want to keep yourself in delusion, you go ahead with it. But this is the real thing I’m telling you, it’s the true thing I’m telling you, for which you should know you cannot pay, you cannot purchase it, you cannot demand it, and you cannot work it out. The grace of God has to come, fall upon you to do it, or a person who is enlightened can only enlighten you. Now, about Christ if I have to speak – I’ve spoken once on Christ for seven days, one after another. There’s no end to it. He was such a great incarnation that I just do not know how to say that He’s the – I’ve spoken all about Him there. As it is we have many tapes in London, you can send for it. We are now going to have a centre here. Herman has offered his place. And we’ll be sending those tapes there, at least 300 tapes we have got in London, which you can listen to, and see for yourself. And all of these tapes are very good, because they are actually mantras, they work out the mantras and you also get - listening to them - opening of your centres and all that. Now the last of all, which is embarrassing, because, you see, already he has told you that I’m supposed to have been here at this [Shri Mataji points at Sahasrara on chakra chart]. It is the integration. The end of it is the integration of all these seven centres. All these seven centres are placed around this area called as the limbic, here, this is the limbic area. Now, if you cut it – the brain – like this transverse section of the brain you’ll find it, it’s like a lotus. You can find it that there in the marking it’s like a lotus, opened out. And it’s 1000 petals as called, are like this. But the colouring is not all right, you people are so fond of these pastel colours, so they have used it. But we can say that this kind of 1000 petals is there. Now it is said in the Bible that, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” And these are, they appear, they all appear. But these are very large ones and they appear as living, living flames in different colours, starting from one to another and they are 1000 in number. Now, the doctors argue that, “They cannot be thousand, there have to be 192.” I mean, just imagine these foolish people to argue on that. But they do not know they’re 1000 in number, and they are placed here. But in the limbic area, all the seven centres are surrounded here. Like we have got now- you see, from here, this is the Agnya chakra. Here. Behind it here at the back, just exactly at the back, is the Mooladhara. Surrounding it, is this Swadishthana. Surrounding the Mooladhara is the Swadishthan. If you are catching on Swadishthana, you can feel it within yourself, the heaviness here. If you are catching, say you have diabetes, give an example. Diabetes people get blind after some time. They lose the power of the eyes, because this thing oppresses the optic lobe which is controlled by the Mooladhara chakra, we call it as Back Agnya, this portion at the back. So, this is the Swadishthana chakra. Here at the back, in the centre here, you find a bone, that’s the Mooladhara and around it is the Swadishthana chakra. Then here is the Vishuddhi chakra, is the Virata. Is the Vishuddhi chakra here. When you catch cold, you’ll find you’ll have a problem here. But if you apply something here, you’ll feel better. And this is the Vishuddhi chakra which is related to your throat, this one. Now, if you have problems with collectivity also you might find a big block here.Now, at the back of it is the Nabhi here, at the back. This Nabhi has a left and a right side. As we have shown here, the left Nabhi and the right Nabhi, there are two, left and right Nabhi – I don’t know if I have told about that, left and right Nabhi. But, I mean, you can find out from the book that there’s left and right Nabhi. So, you have got a left and a right Nabhi.And also, you sometimes feel the Nabhi in here [close to the heart]. Some people do feel who have problems with their gurus and things like that, you see. Then you feel it. But the whole Void is here [Shri Mataji shows a circumference]. And this Void is called as Ekadesha Rudra. This Void, the whole of it. It goes like a ring around it. And this ring is very important, because this you get it from the Void. If you go to a bad guru or someone you get this.And this is the one [on the forehead] that is of the Rider – the Rider, the one who has eleven powers of destruction, the one who’s going to come to slash out. Then He’s not going to give you any counsel. He is not going to redeem you, no Realization. He’ll slash out those who are not Realised and He will emancipate the one who are Realized. He does the last that you don’t ask just now, give some time more to save some more people. Because He is not going to question anyone, He is not going to allow you any more time. And that will be the time of complete destruction of all the satanic forces. So that is the Ekadesha here. That collects, because all these horrible gurus are here [in the Void]. These are the Ekadeshas. And this is one thing is to be understood that one should get rid of this very easily. Now, these two children of Rama who were born here, and they are endowed on the Sun and the Moon. The Sun and the Moon both are here [Shri Mataji touches Agnya on chakra chart]. And the sun became - as I told you - Buddha ultimately here, and he became the - not ultimately - the Mahavira, they are here. But when they were on this earth, Buddha talked about non-violence, and people thought non-violence to chickens, to bugs. These Mahavira people, these Jains, we have got horrible community called Jains in India. And they believe in vegetarianism to this extent that they get a Brahmin, pay him money and put him in a hut and bring all the bugs of the village, put those in the hut and the bugs live on that Brahmin. Is a fact, even today they do it. And then they pay some money to the Brahmin, because the bugs are fed. Now, you just tell me this kind of a nonsensical vegetarianism. Am I going to give realisation to chickens? Just think of it. Or to the bugs or to the earthworms? You are human beings, you should eat a flesh which is not of a bigger animal than yourself, because that’s horrid. But you can eat the flesh of the animals which are smaller than you. There’s no harm in eating that - and this kind of a nonsensical vegetarianism, “Don’t do any harm to the animals”, but they don’t mind doing this. Jains are the greatest, they are, you see, such - just like suckers. And they don’t mind killing people for their money. They don’t mind going for - what you call - shikars, in hunting and killing anything; but they will not eat a chicken or even the garlic. Now, garlic, as you know, is very good for the heart. But they don’t eat garlic. It’s very good for the heart, it’s very good for people who have got a tendency towards hardening of the arteries, when the circulation is a problem, it’s very good to eat that, and for cold. Those people who suffer from cold, if they regularly eat a fresh garlic thing in the night, brush their teeth, they’ll be much better off. So, while talking about it I would say. Now, these seven centres are here. Now, at the fontanel bone is the centre of the heart. Now, just imagine, it is at the centre. So, where do I exist? I mean, all of them are seven centres, so I am just like a bubble. But if I am in your heart, I’m there [Shri Mataji touches Her Sahasrara]. So, the key of Sahaja Yoga that you have to recognise me. If you cannot recognise me you cannot progress in Sahaja Yoga, I have to frankly admit it. Because he’s already exposed me, I don’t tell this in my first lectures, but I have to say that “Please, now recognise me.” As your Mother I would request you to recognise me. And you don’t have to give me anything, just take things from me. Just have it yourself. But recognise me. If you deny me then this [Shri Mataji touches Her Sahasrara] won’t open, this will be always covered. That’s why at the end when you say, “Mother, give me my Realisation.” Because I have come on this earth to give you Realisation. That’s my job. It’s one of the worst jobs that one can have. [Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs] Because it is so difficult with people: to talk to them, to tell them about it, and they are all the time up in arms, they are so aggressive, and they start fighting. It’s a Mother’s job, which is a thankless job, absolute thankless job. I have to do it. And also only Mother can do it. Because if you had Christ, He would have taken those eleven things and finished off everyone. If you had asked Christ – [Shri Mataji corrects Herself] Krishna - He had also Samhara Shakti, He would have killed. But to use the whole thing with integrated idea and with balancing, with understanding human beings you have to have a Mother. And that’s why sometimes people try to become very familiar and start taking advantage or taking liberties, which is a wrong thing. Whatever I am I am and I’m Love - I can’t help it. I really can’t help it. I’m compassion. One day I did feel very disgusted, really. Once I did feel very disgusted with people the way they were, and I was just saying that “Forget it!” And then suddenly, I saw my photograph and I saw my eyes, and I said, “Nirmala, you are compassion, you are compassion, you can’t help it. You just can’t help it.” I have to work it out. I know it means, it means sometimes too much, too much, but I have to work it out. Now, some people come out with a question, “Why You, Mother?” I said, “Why not you, it’s a good idea! Come along and do it!” [Laughter] I’ll be the best - it will be the best for me to retire, and my husband might give you a pension for it, he’ll so happy that I’ve found out somebody who will replace me. But I have not yet found out somebody who will replace me, I wish you could, will be a good idea. Now, the name Nirmala itself is, means Immaculate. Means, the one who is the cleansing power. Is a name of the Goddess also. My, actually sign name is Lalita, is the name of the Primordial Mother - that is the name of the Primordial Mother. But to be a human being with all these centres around you working, for example for the last three days you don’t know how much I am vibrating, you can ask Warren and other people, I asked them to take the vibrations, and they were doing like this, where they couldn’t touch me. They tried to put the hand on the head, and they were just – and they didn’t know how to touch me, even it is so much vibrating. So, it’s not easy to carry this, all this load on this human body, appear like a human being, to act like a human being, to behave like a human being, so that there is a rapport. Why an Incarnation is needed? There has to be a rapport, because the Unconscious cannot talk to you, whatever you see in the dream comes back to you afterwards from the subconscious area - all the ideas will be such a mess, such a confusion and you cannot decide anything. So, it has to come on this earth as a human being and tell you with a language. I never knew English all my life. So, first time I learnt English, but still I don’t know American English. I hope I’ll be able to learn something more when I travel around and it’s a thing that - it’s God’s desire that you are to be realised. It’s all written in the Bible; it’s all written in all the books of the scriptures. It is very largely written in the books of Adi Shankaracharya, who had described me fully, in a very full way. And it’s easy for Indians to get to me. I mean, though I have not much disciples in the cities, but they are aware of my Advent and they know that I am there. Most of them know about it. But they can’t understand why I have come to America. They say that “Why do you come here? The people here won’t accept You.” But I don’t think so, because I think you are great seekers, very great seekers, born in this country - you are a special type, and I have to work for you. I must say the transformation that has taken place in the western sahaja yogis has not been achieved by Indians so much. Though they have an advantage because they are born in a country which has basics, which keeps the attention intact. The attention is very much intact. So, it is easy to work it out there - here it is difficult, it doesn’t appeal to people, but still, you are all great people, so many of you are lost, but they can be all saved. But those who are here should know that you have the greatest opportunity in your lives today to be realised and to give realisation to others. First of all, you have to become all right. Then you can give light to others. Now, the greatest thing that is needed for Sahaja Yoga is wisdom. And logically you will reach at a conclusion and understand that Sahaja Yoga is the end of all the problems of the world. Of all the problems of the world. For example take the capitalism and communism. Now, I am a capitalist, because I have all the powers, and I am the communist, because I cannot enjoy it without giving it to you. But it’s spontaneous, I have not to do it because I think about it, it just works. It is like that. All the problems: political problems, economic problems - everything can be solved. Krishna has said, “Yoga Kshema Vahamyaham.” “When you get your Yoga, you get your well-being.” He has promised it. He could have said it, “Kshema Yoga Vahamyaham.” He did not, he said, “Yoga Kshema Vahamyaham.” First your yoga, first unite. Unite with the Spirit, then you are blessed by all these things. This is the centre of even material wealth, of Lakshmi, which works out. And all the Sahaja Yogis who have been to me, are blessed by material wealth also, but not too much like Mister Ford - that’s an extreme case, that’s a headache, but they get well-being from every angle, in a balanced way and integrated way. So, the last method is of integration - that you get completely integrated. Whatever you do, your heart supports it, your mind supports it, and your body supports it. You are completely integrated in one being - that is your Spirit. May God bless you all. So, now this is the last lecture and I’m going to Philadelphia, and you pray that Philadelphia people get realisation more, and we get more people into Sahaj Yog, and that they become enlightened. Then I’ll be going to Houston, then to Los Angeles and Vancouver for a day. If you have any friends or relatives there you can write to them, take the address, so that they contact and they come down to the program. May God bless you all. Normally, I don’t tell about myself, but today he exposed me as soon as I came, I had to tell, because it’s not tactful. It’s not tactful to say anything. It’s better that you discover me than I tell you, because Christ was crucified, everybody was tortured. I do not want to hamper my work, because it makes no difference by telling you anything before realisation. It’s better to tell you after realisation that I am the Holy Ghost, no doubt. I am the one about which Christ has talked. I had told them, I had never said this on - from a… [Yogini: “Platform”] platform, and I told, they have been telling me, “Mother, You must say that once.” I said, “In America I’ll declare it.” So, today I declare that I am the Holy Ghost, I am the Holy Spirit, who has incarnated on this earth for your realisation. May God bless you. [Second video] Now, any questions? Man: Mother, I’d just like to say, “I love You!” Shri Mataji: What’s it? Man: And I would like to sometime tonight take the rest of the pictures because I’m not sure the others still have. And this is my important question: how can I still my thoughts? Shri Mataji: What did he say? Man: How can I still my thoughts? Warren: He wants to know how can he still his thoughts. Shri Mataji: Eh? Warren: How can he still his thoughts. Shri Mataji: How can he? What? Warren: Make himself thoughtless. Shri Mataji (laughing): You just say Lord’s Prayer. Now, before my photograph. All right? It will work out. Lord’s Prayer is the entry, it’s the entry, no doubt. Warren: There’s a little announcement concerning all of you – there is a photograph of Mataji which is available from Tracy, who is sitting over there, which you can buy, it’s a very good quality black and white photograph, and she has a few tonight. Christine will have a stock of those photographs. There is also a book called “The Advent”, which a few people already received, about Mataji’s advent and about Sahaja Yoga, which you’ll be able to buy once you settle into Sahaja Yoga. Don’t forget that Christine is here, Herman is here, with his home which he has offered as a meeting place for Sahaja Yoga. You should all get together after Mother’s gone, form a nucleus, get yourselves strong, and then begin to give realisation to others. Then you yourself will be able to establish centres in your own district, maybe even go out of New York. This is how it’s going to grow. As Mother said, “If there’s one candle which becomes enlightened, it can enlighten another.” You’ve got a tremendous responsibility. Christine is here to assist you, Tracy is going to the West Coast, and this is how it’s going to spread through America. Take it in your both hands. Shri Mataji: And Steve is in Boston. Steve and Christine are in Boston. Stand up so they can see. Warren: Steve and Christine are in Boston. Christine? Let everybody see you, so that you can get the names and addresses and any contacts, and Tracy will be in the West Coast if you know anybody over there. Shri Mataji: And at Herman’s place. Herman, can you stand up? I’m going to see his place tomorrow. Warren: Where is he? Shri Mataji: Where is he gone? Warren: He couldn’t get here tonight, Mother. He had to work tonight. Shri Mataji: Ah, he had to work tonight, yes. He came here a few times. Lady seeker: You mentioned on the right side is the superego, on the right side of the brain. Warren: You mentioned that the superego is on the right side, instead… Shri Mataji: No, I mean in the sense that it moves like this, you see? And like this. Now, this way. But more super goes on the right side, it presses more on the right side. But the movement is like, you see, the thing is, the division is like this, all right? Question: What type of thinking would increase the activity on this side - would increase the superego? Warren: What sort of thinking would increase the activity of the superego? Shri Mataji: No no no no no no. Warren: What sort of thinking, she is asking. Shri Mataji: What sort of thinking. Question: Is that too much thinking…? Shri Mataji: No, you don’t think now. You see, don’t think. You have to become thoughtlessly aware, first of all, don’t think. But once you are realised, once you are realised, whatever you think happens. Whatever you want happens, because your attention is enlightened. Your attention is enlightened. Like I went to Orléans. There was a lady who was suffering from breast-cancer. And I cured her, she was all right. And I was then in Switzerland, recently, about after a year, and somebody came from Orléans - Robert - and he told me that “Mother, she is all right and she is a Sahaja Yogini. But now she has got a terrible trouble in her kidney and she’s got terrible pain and she is in the hospital”. And as soon as he told me, the pain stopped, and the stone came out. And since that day she is all right. So, it just works that moment. Whatever you ask for, will work, whatever you want for, it will work, because you become collectively conscious and the collective Being helps you. Apart from that all the angels - like Saint Michael, who resides on this side. His birthday was yesterday, day before yesterday, they celebrated Saint Michael’s birthday. Is left side here. And Saint Gabriel is on the right-hand side. And all their armies are with you, they all look after you. For example, a realised soul, established realised soul, is travelling by a train, there will not be an accident. If there is an accident all will be saved. They are saved in such miraculous manners. I mean, there are thousand and one things you will see that you’ll be amazed how you are helped. So, you don’t think, leave it to God! He thinks for you. Question: Yes. How does one know that which someone who is realised? I read a lot about Rajneesh and I met Swami Vishnudevananda and I’m very impressed by both of them. And how do I know that You…? I was impressed by them as I am impressed by You. Shri Mataji: What he’s saying? Warren (repeats): How do you know whether somebody is a realised soul, is a true teacher? Shri Mataji: You see, unless and until you are your Spirit, you cannot. You have to become your Spirit. Then you get your vibratory awareness. You get the cool breeze coming into you. Now, this cool breeze is nothing but is the all-pervading power, which you start feeling on your – you have come for the first time? That’s why. This question is justified, but I’ve told about this. Then you start feeling the all-pervading power, all right? Then you can also feel whether a person is realised or not. But if you are not the Spirit, you can know even logically, for a person who is a realised soul, never can take anything from you. He cannot be a parasite. He doesn’t live by your earnings. Such a person - it’s all right, you can pay for this hall, all right. You can pay for the travelling of the person, it’s all right. But you cannot live on the money of other people. Because you want supposing somebody to come, you can pay for the taxi to come, that’s a different point. Now, such a person will have a temperament which will be very detached, not bothered, is not a money-minded person, is not a worldly person sort of a thing, and is not bothered by mundane things of life. Such a person leads a holy life. Has to be a chaste person. Cannot have married his own secretary or something like that and carry… become a yunky or something and behave like a stupid person. You see, cannot do. All such people cannot be realised souls, one should who - cannot ask for Rolls Royces. I mean, to such a person Rolls Royce is the same as a bullock cart, what is the difference? I mean, you can sleep on the road, you can sleep in the palace, anywhere, makes no difference to such a person. This person can be rich by birth, could be poor, makes no difference. He has that kind of a body that he can adjust himself to any kind of life that is there. So many things can be seen; and he cannot take any effort, he should not make you do any effort, it is he who works. I have to work, you don’t have to work. The person who knows swimming, has to work hard to save the person. Or the person who is to be saved has to work hard? I mean, it’s a simple logic. Simple logic. If they tell you to stand on your head, you tell them that “Are you going to save us or we are going to save ourselves?” Those who have to save have to work hard, very hard. Warren: Yes. Shri Mataji: They have come for the first time. And I know that you’ll ask some questions which was… Seeker: No question. Shri Mataji: All right. Seeker: I have no question; I want to just say something. Shri Mataji: All right. Now tell me. Seeker: I have no questions because I realise that questions very often create resistance. I must tell You that during Your general lecture I felt as if You were speaking to me. Shri Mataji: Correct. I know you are a very great seeker; I could see that. Seeker: And I want to let it sink in, that’s all I want to say, it was beautiful. Shri Mataji: What he’s saying? Warren: He is just speaking, saying how much, when he was listening to You… Shri Mataji: I know, I know, I saw you, I saw you, I could make it out, I was very happy to see you there. Very much happy to see you there. I know, I know, and there are so many like you in this country, which you have to seek and find them out. There are so many, they are just – I don’t know why they are not here, I was expecting them, like you, today. I was expecting you earlier. All right, what is the… Lady seeker: I read this article in a newspaper one week ago, about biological warfare which is taking place in Cambodia. Do You know what that means, biological warfare? Warren (repeats): She read an article in the newspaper about biological warfare which is taking place in Cambodia. Biological warfare. Lady seeker: It means like, You know, they have organisms that, they use organisms which emit a toxin to kill people. Warren (repeats): They use organisms which emit toxins which kill people. Lady seeker: And I am wondering if this is the beginning of the end. Warren (repeats): She says, ‘Is this the beginning of the end?’ Shri Mataji: You see, these things people do because they hate. They hate, they have never known the power of love. They have only known the power of hatred. Power of love is so powerful, so dynamic. You can win them over. It’s nice you brought it to my attention. My attention is on Cambodia. It was on Vietnam, it was on Cambodia, my chitta, my attention. One has to work it out. But now, first of all, you should know of this country, which is going to be destroyed from within. You don’t know how much these gurus have destroyed you. This is a very bad, very, very bad atmosphere. Children can be killed just like that, without even your knowledge. People can be killed just like that, this black magic if it takes over, it can kill you just like that, you will not know. The spirits can work out black magic and be very effective. They can make people commit suicide, thousands of them can commit suicide. I mean, this is a very much more dangerous thing than that biological stuff which you saw much in the open, but this is secret, and you have to be careful. Anything can happen in this country. Apart from that, all of these people you have allowed them to come here, these are anti-Christ. And they have brought all the bad vibrations there. Such bad vibrations that the whole country can go into a big turmoil, I mean, there could be a very big upheaval, earthquakes, can be anything. Horrible things can happen to this country, I mean, you are perched on a very, very serious situation, which you should pay attention to. Don’t pay attention to Cambodia. It’s not so difficult. It can be controlled. It’s more in this country it’s a problem. Warren: Let’s not ask any more political questions. Shri Mataji: One more, all right, let her ask, one more. Warren: Just about the spiritual side. Shri Mataji: All right. Other lady seeker: I feel very confident about the spiritual side so… Shri Mataji: About what? Other lady seeker: So I don’t need to ask about that. Shri Mataji (aside): About what? Other lady seeker: But this I’ve never heard, You see, that which he says now, I don’t understand what he means by secret gurus. Shri Mataji: You see, I’ll tell you what it means. There is a psychological attack, you see? On the psyche of the people, through the spirits. And which is a very serious thing, of which you have no idea, you are very naïve people, absolutely naïve, you have no idea. Even you are playing with parapsychology, is a very dangerous thing. Parapsychology – Russians are like that, extremely naïve. They are getting into this psychological trauma, complete psychological – of which you are not aware! You are not at all aware of it. And that is the attack is going to come on you. Very seriously, it’s possible. Now only imagine, these people are having fifty thousand people, imagine. Madly in love with the anti-Christ – he is a born anti-Christ, he is the anti-Christ, who is here, stationed here. Lady seeker: Who are You referring to? Shri Mataji: To this guru Maharaji. Lady seeker: Oh, guru Maharaji, ah yes. Shri Mataji: So many of them. Rajneesh, you gave him place here. Rajneesh is an anti-Christ. He is horrible, you brought him here. He could not exist in India, he had to run away. All sorts of people you have got here, Mahesh yogi. All of them. Lady seeker: Mahesh yogi also? Shri Mataji: Horrible! He is the worst of all! Lady seeker: Why? Shri Mataji: Why – because he’s destroyed so many people. He’s given epilepsy. His director of his flying squad that he had in [Shri Mataji laughs] – Lady: “In Switzerland” – in Scotland he had the real one in Scotland, and the director was with Mr. Peter Pierce. He came down to me with his epilepsy and his wife and his daughter, and you must see what she has written now, about what he did to her. Before coming to me she gave this interview. I would not have allowed her to do that, but she did it before. And that’s how, he has done it. You get into epilepsy and things like that. I mean, how will you get over your epilepsies, you cannot cure your epilepsy, you don’t know from where it is coming, or you don’t know the source, you don’t know how to cure yourself, you are so naïve! And there are thousands and billions and billions who can’t even see what’s wrong with him. You don’t even understand anything about it. I mean, nothing, you have no idea. Your psychology is like a child compared to the knowledge Indians have about it, I mean, they know all about it. I mean, you may think you are very developed. You might be developed as far as the bridges are concerned and this and that, but as far as the human beings are concerned, you have no idea, you are very simple people. Extremely simple. Lady seeker: But Mother, I have been practising transcendental meditation for nine years… Shri Mataji: That’s it, I know that! (Lady seeker and Shri Mataji laugh) Lady seeker: And… Shri Mataji: You get this catch (Shri Mataji touches Her Ekadasha Rudra area on the forehead). Now you will see, in your rising of the Kundalini you will see here. Lady seeker: Good. Shri Mataji: All right? Lady seeker: I found it to be not a negative thing in my life. Shri Mataji: You are a sweet person. Lady seeker: Thank You. Shri Mataji: You are a seeker. You be kind to yourself, kind to yourself, you are the temple of God. Lady seeker: But I never liked Mahesh yogi. Shri Mataji: (laughing) That’s it! Lady seeker: I took his mantra, two of them. And I… Shri Mataji: The mantra is, that’s what I said, the mantra, you see, is a big science, at every centre there’s a different mantra. He just gives you one mantra… Lady seeker: He gave me two. Shri Mataji: And two, you see, he gives you… Lady seeker: He didn’t give it to me, I had to buy it. Shri Mataji: Good. You see, his mantras are - if you tell in India, they’ll laugh at you. One mantra is tinga, which means this [Shri Mataji makes gesture of right thumb up], showing like this is tinga. Inga – inga means the… Lady seeker: That’s right. Shri Mataji: … the tail, the tail – Inga means the tail of a scorpion. Can you imagine? Lady seeker: I used that one [laughter of yogis]. Shri Mataji: Now, look at that. It is no Sanskrit, nothing, it is horrible! It means horrible! You tell anybody that, “he gave me the mantra of inga”, Indians will laugh, if they know any Sanskrit. Even if they know Hindi language, ordinary Hindi. Ainga: ainga means, a very bad Hindi when somebody has to say, “I come”. Lady seeker: What does it mean? Shri Mataji: It means “I come”. If you have to say, “I’m coming”, it’s a bad Hindi language when you are – you don’t know Hindi language then you say ainga. It’s a [Shri Mataji laughs] – it’s a joke. Seeker: What do you do with your mantra? My – I have one too, I can’t use it, it doesn’t work with me. But it’s still in my mind. It does nothing anyway. Shri Mataji: You throw it away. Seeker: You see, I’ll just forget it. Shri Mataji: You forget it, that’s why the problems you were saying and the doubts. They put the doubts. These horrible ingas, pingas and tingas. There is no gerund like ‘ing’ in Sanskrit. No. It’s from England you must have picked up ‘ing’, I don’t know. I don’t know from where. Oh, he’s horrid. Lady seeker: Good. Thank you. Warren: Yes. Other lady seeker: Mother, the seed words that you use when you like, meditate on the chakras. You start meditating from the lowest up to the top, and do you use the seed words, like lam, yam, sa. No, it’s lam… Shri Mataji: I can’t hear her. Lady seeker: Oh anyhow – if you meditate – is that all right, using the seed words? Warren: If you meditate on the chakras using the seed, seed mantras… Shri Mataji: Just now you don’t do all that, all right? Just now you don’t. [Lady seeker: Just now don’t do it]. Later on. [Lady seeker: Don’t do it?] Just now to establish yourself. You see now, if you use the seed mantras, you just don’t do it just now, because you don’t know where the Kundalini is. First of all, establish yourself. You should know yourself, what is the problem is. Then in Sahaja Yoga we teach everything, one by one: what chakra is catching, what mantra is to be used, what seed mantra is to be – there is no need now to use even seed mantras, because you have got the Kundalini in your hands, you see, so you use the Kundalini mantras. And that’s how. We have got mantras for everything, which you have to learn gradually, do it. But don’t do anything on your own, because still you have to establish yourself fully, isn’t it? Unless and until you are established, say, unless and until you are a fully-fledged engineer, nothing is given into your hands. So first of all, now the time of transition is very important. First you are transformed, but transmutation takes time. Like a caterpillar, you see, becomes a butterfly. But it has to get rid of all the nonsense that was with – bring with it. And that has to take place – one it has to become a butterfly, then it knows how to do the job. All right? So the transition time you have to be very, very careful, grow very steadily and rise. And Christine is here, and also we might send somebody from England for her to help you, and work it out gradually, steadily, steadily, till you achieve a position where you understand deeply. Because all these things you forget. Forget about this so-called knowledge. Like Shankaracharya has said, Adi Shankaracharya, that once you get realised, even this science looks like a child’s play. It’s all this knowledge is non-knowledge. Surdas has said, “O Lord, take away my avidya, take away my non-knowledge.” So just forget about the bija mantras just now, all such books on chakras you throw them away. You have your own book of your experience. You yourself learn it and you become the masters. Masters of Kundalini. You have such powers as Shri Ganesha has. You can raise the Kundalini like this. Even the great and great gurus I’ve met in India, they are jealous of you, take it from me. They are real people, no doubt, but they can’t understand why I have given you realisation so fast. They can’t understand, with all your impurities, how are you raising the Kundalini when they cannot raise it. It’s very interesting that you are made after the pattern of Shri Ganesh, immaculate. So first establish yourself. That is important. All right, now, those who have come for the first time… yes, now? Seeker: I’m just curious, perhaps I have missed what You said, but could You explain what is the Kundalini and how can we raise it? Shri Mataji: Good idea, it’s very good! That’s what I will tell you, that how to raise it yourself. But just now, you see, we’ll first of all give you realisation, then you can use my photograph for some time for raising the Kundalini of other people – you put them before the photograph, you don’t try yourself alone, in the beginning. What you do is to put them before the photograph, all right? And just put a light before the photograph, ask them to put the hands before the photograph. Now you start raising the Kundalini. After them. One hand you may keep with the photograph if you want to, raise with the another hand the Kundalini at the back, just like this. You yourself will feel it rising, and the fellow can feel it also – one hand may not be feeling, another hand may not be feeling, all that, and then you will know which chakras is catching by your fingers, you see, it’s all in the book. Have you got the book? All right, you’ll get the book, it’s there. And then you will know yourself and then you will know what is the chakras that are catching, and, of course, we have a centre, where you will know how to correct the centres, how to establish their realisation. All right? And also, those who want to come to India are welcome, we are having a tour for about – not so many days actually, if you see, it’s about forty days tour – in the villages of India, if you can have a little rough time, if you don’t mind, you can come along, and it will be a good idea. So also that I will inform Christine about it, how we are going to organize it, and you can come there. Because he came with me, just came to me, first of all, and then I took him round, in the villages and then he got established well. Then he went back to Australia, now he has established in seven cities. I mean, not he but others with him, whom he got realised and all that, now in seven cities they have got centres and Sahaja Yoga is spreading very fast. So, that’s how it is. To establish it is not difficult, Christine is here, but you should be steady about it, steady. And forget all that you have read, forget about what you know, just for the time being just become one with your Spirit. And then you start yourself learning what is wrong, what is good. As he asked me how to make out: first you become your Spirit, then you can make it out, then you get the discretion. That power, you get the vibratory power of the cool breeze. All right? Yes? Seeker: Mother, what about Sun Myung Moon? [Laughter] Is he an anti-Christ? Warren (repeats): What about Mr. Moon, the Moonie man? Shri Mataji: Now! [Shri Mataji makes an upset expression] Ah! Seeker: Is he an anti-Christ? Warren: He said, “Is he an anti-Christ?” Shri Mataji: You see, they are all the satans, I tell you. They were born many-a-times and they have been killed many-a-times. Sixteen of them are real satans. And six women. I think, seventy percent of them have settled down here. Six women and sixteen of them are real satanic forces. And this Moon business is, now he is going to Germany. Just imagine. He was driven out of London, so now he’s gone to Germany. I mean, you should understand that when there is love your family system should improve, your relationships should improve; he was using them just for his own purpose, making a business out of them. You cannot make business out of God, and Godly people! Business God does not know, He does not understand your money! He doesn’t understand. I’m so hopelessly bad, you don’t know, ask them. I mean, I am absolutely hopeless, I mean, I don’t understand money at all, I try, I try, I try – but I’ve no brains, my intelligence goes off, I’ve no brains to understand money. You see, so many types of money you have, it’s horrible! [Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs] I get so fed up with the whole stuff. [Shri Mataji laughs] It’s a big joke, I tell you. See, I don’t know even today how to sign a cheque. I’ve to ask him, “You write down everything, I’ll sign.” I’m absolutely hopeless as far as worldly things are concerned. I can’t even open one packet. But I can open your Kundalini. [Laughter] And give you realisation. I’m very bad, at many things. So hopeless you can’t imagine. I depend on you entirely. With this country where everything is to be set, you see, you are set; for this you are set, and I am so unset [Shri Mataji laughs], I don’t know what to do [Shri Mataji laughs, laughter]. Warren: Shall we have it now? Shri Mataji: All right. Put your hands like this, straight. You have to take out your shoes, I’m sorry, is it very cold now? Warren: Take your shoes off. Shri Mataji: [Indistinct] … but doesn’t matter. For a while, for a while, just for a while. Warren: Keeps you, keeps you earthed. Just hold your hands up, press them on your lap is the best, don’t… Shri Mataji: Just be comfortable, first is – and if you have ties and all that, you can little bit loosen your ties, will be better idea for Vishuddhi, is to be. Or if you are wearing anything in your neck better to take it out, it’s better, it will help you. It will help, definitely help. Any material thing around the neck stops, it’s a problem. Just take it out, it’s better [Warren: “Slip it off, just for five minutes”]. Now, if your mind is questioning, tell it to stop, otherwise it will just come in between like a monkey just comes in. Tell the monkey to stop for a while [Shri Mataji laughs]. She has been all the time bothering you. You just … here (indistinct words). Just put your hands straight. Now close your eyes. Better keep your eyes closed because of Agnya, you see, it doesn’t rise above Agnya [Shri Mataji massages some areas on Her head]. Can you get some more water for me? Just let it go, don’t put your attention concentrated anywhere; I mean, if you find your attention is very wobbly, then at the most you can look at your fontanel bone on top of your head; but try not to control the attention, just let it be. Let it be, it will work spontaneously, automatically, you don’t have to do anything, all right? Just keep it loose. Keep your hands straight, and keep your eyes shut. Straight towards me, straight towards me. With your fingers towards me. As if you are asking for your realisation. Keep your eyes shut, that is very important. Don’t say any mantras and don’t push your head too much upward or downward, just keep it in the centre. Do not put any pressure on your Vishuddhi chakra. Just leave it alone. And just sit with a comfortable position. And not with any strain on the body, anywhere – just be very comfortable and relaxed, and just put your hands. Do not strain yourself, at all; you don’t have to strain, you don’t have to work it out, it will just work out automatically. Just keep it straight. Maybe some people might feel a little bit of heat in the hands – doesn’t matter. It will go away. If you have heat in the hands you can throw it away like this, as you throw away the water. And then again put the hands, if there’s heat. [After a gesture from Shri Mataji, Warren starts working on Her Back Agnya with a candle] Open the door. Little bit, little bit. [Shri Mataji puts Her fingers into Her ears, then only the left] (Aside) Right heart. [After a pause during which She works through Her eyes, and Warren works on Her back Agnya and superego with the candle, She raises Her Kundalini] Better. [Warren: “It’s better, it’s cleared. It’s very good”]. You put your right hand again on your heart. Keep your eyes shut. And say that, “Mother, I’m the Spirit.” [People repeat: “Mother, I’m the Spirit.”] Please say it again. [People repeat: “Mother, I’m the Spirit.”] Please say it again. [People repeat: “Mother, I’m the Spirit.”] “Mother, I’m not guilty.” [People repeat: “Mother, I’m not guilty.”] Again. [People repeat: “Mother, I’m not guilty.”] Again. [People repeat: “Mother, I’m not guilty.”] Now just say, “Mother, forgive me if I have done any mistakes.” Without feeling guilty. [People repeat: “Mother, forgive me if I have done any mistakes.”] Again, please. [People repeat: “Mother, forgive me if I have done any mistakes.”] Again, please. [People repeat: “Mother, forgive me if I have done any mistakes.”] Now put both the hands towards me without opening your eyes, and say, “Mother, please give me my realisation.” [People repeat: “Mother, please, give me my realisation.”] Again. [“Mother, please give me my realisation.”] Again. [“Mother, please give me my realisation.”] “Make me my own guru. Please, make me – Mother, make me my own guru.” [People repeat: “Please Mother, make me my own guru.” “Please Mother, make me my own guru.” “Please Mother, make me my own guru.”] Ah! Feeling the cool breeze? Put both the hands towards me. There should be no sense of insecurity, some people do feel – because I’m going away. I’m not going away anywhere, I’m with you every moment, you’ll remember me, I’ll be with you. [Warren continues working with the candle on the back Agnya of Shri Mataji] Hm, good. Felt it? Those who have not felt the cool breeze, raise your hands. All right, keep them raised, all right? Little keep them raised. You can go and see them. See all the new people in any case. She’s got it. See the gentleman here. Put his left to the right. This lady you can see. Xavier? You can see that gentleman there, next to you. She is all right, she’s got it. The another one, second to her. Just see. Yes. Not this, the one next to you. Yes. He had it. See this gentleman here, somebody. Yogi: He’s got it, Mother. [End of video]

10/4/1981

http://amruta.org/?p=4580

Becoming the Truth

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Public program Day 1. Houston (USA), 4 October 1981. It is really very kind of you to have invited Me to this beautiful meeting of such seekers who look so truthful. When I read about Unity Church and what they were doing, I felt this is the place where it is going to trigger first, because here founder himself was a realized soul. He was a realized soul. But perhaps he did not realize that others were not realized up to his level and whatever he talked was the truth, nothing but the truth. But you cannot imagine about truth, you have to become, becoming is the main point. Unless and until you become the truth, whatever you talk about it becomes talk, talk, talk. And we have had talks after talks, after talks. Now the time has come for us to become. What do we become? What do we have to expect after Self-Realization. As he has told you, I would like to tell you this way that we have heard that God's love is all-pervading. The divine love is all pervading energy. We've heard about it, we've read about it. Now what happens to us, that we are awakened in such a manner that we started feeling that power. Our sensitivity or our awareness becomes so enlightened that we start feeling that divine power around us. It exists. For example if I say there is big music going on here, and big plays and dramas going on here, you won't believe till I put a television here and say, "Now see for yourself." In the same this all-pervading power is still imaginary for us, or we can say is not our own experience. Still people believed it because it was told by great people, great incarnations like Christ. But what it means, what it is, we have not felt it, and that's the first thing that should happen to you, is to feel that. That means that our feeling is not so much yet developed, or is not enlightened, or is not evolved to that extent that we can feel. In our evolution, say from animals to this stage, how many feelings we have developed, which the animals don't have. For example if you want to take an animal through a dirty lane, he doesn't feel any dirt, or filth, or doesn't smell anything. He just walks through. Take any horse or any dog they have no problems. But for human beings to go through that will be an impossibility. Our feelings, experiencing power is so much developed that we can feel the beauty, we can feel the colors, we can see the beauty of this place. They cannot feel. But now the feeling that has to come to us is the feeling of that all pervading power, the divine power which in Sanskrit is called as Brahma. That divine power is the desire of God. God desired because He loved us. He is complete. He need not have created us at all. What was the need for Him to create us? But He's love, and He's compassion. And He wanted to give His compassion, to express His compassion, and that's why He created us with what care and with what delicacy. That one has to just see. We take ourselves for granted, our evolution for granted, everything for granted. As he said that you did not pay anything to become human beings, you did not pay for anything. For example everyday, you see the flowers becoming fruits. How much do you pay to the tree for it? You see a seed sprouting, how much do you pay to the seed for getting sprouted? It's all so spontaneous, it's living. And we are talking here about the living God, who lives, who does all the living things. What do we do? We do nothing. We do just dead work. Like something is dead, supposing a tree is dead, we make a chair, we can go, "We have made a chair." It's a dead from the dead. We have not done something living so far. Have we been able to convert even one flower into a fruit? And these thousands and thousands, and billions and billions of things are happening around us. That's the work of the living God. And also this evolution that has to go to its epitome now, to its last stage that is your Self-Realization. Supposing I start collecting some nuts and bolts and start collecting some sort of a machinery. You will say, "What this machinery is meant for? Why are you making it, why this evolution? Why did we evolve to this stage of a human being? What was the need? What was the purpose? Anybody would ask, "Why? Why there should be a machine made like this?" And that question is not asked by scientists so far because they have no answer for it. They are very honest. Because they have no answer, for the 'why' they don't ask that question. Whatever is presented to them they see it and say this is it, this is so, so. Now to get to God you don't have to go to Saturn or don't have to go to Moon, is within. He's within you, expressed within you, in your heart as spirit. Is all written in the Bible. I mean I am not telling something new. Christ has said, "You are to be born again." When I came nine years back in America, I gave speeches where I said, "You have to be born again." And it's a happening, it's a becoming, it should happen, it's actualization, is a real baptism that you should feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out of your head. It's actually should happen to you. So they took over and they said, "All right, we are born again," Again self-certification. Is all certifying yourself 'we are born again, we are this, we are that.'You are nothing but your spirit, and you have to become the spirit. Unless and until you have become it all this certificate is not going to help you nor you are going to feel satisfied because you are seekers. You are a special category of people born on this earth at this special time. This is a very special time, is an extremely special, because this is the blossom time, and this is the last judgment. Only through Kundalini awakening you can judge yourself otherwise there is no way of finding out. Because when the Kundalini awakens, which is settled down here in the triangular bone then your centers get awakened. When they get awakened you get this special sensitivity even on your fingertips. Now these five fingers, six and seven all of them get enlightened. Once they get enlightened, you can feel not only the all pervading power but you become, as he said, the collective conscious being. You become again I say you become. Is not that I say, "We are all brothers and sisters. We must love each other." It's not that way. But you just become. Means you start feeling the another person within yourself. So much so I was coming to Houston. And there is an Indian Sahaja Yogini who has come from India. And she told Me, "Mother, why the heart is catching so much in Houston?" I said, "Do you know there are heart specialists here who transplant heart who have got... Also there is Dr. Kuri who is doing operations on the heart patients, and there must be many heart patients in this place. And that's why you are catching on the heart." And she said, "It has become stiff my finger is." I said, "All right. There are mantras by which you can put it right." But it affects everyone, and everyone can feel it within themselves. You become the other person. Like people say, "Mother, you take money or what?" I said, "This is something one should understand, you are part and parcel of My being. I can feel you within Myself. Now supposing My finger, is something wrong with My finger. If I try to help it, am I helping anybody other? Who is the other? Who is the other person?" That's the thing. Is a real unity, is the complete integration of being when you feel everyone within yourself. You start feeling them on your fingers. You start feeling yourself also within yourself, trying to know what's wrong with you. But in that case you don't feel bad. You don't feel bad at all that you have this problem or that problem because you are no more involved. " Today I'm just introducing this method which I called as Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja, Saha means "with," ja means "born," spontaneous yoga. Means it is a in-born right of every seeker to get this union. Now today it has reached the stage of Maha Yoga, means thousands can get realization. It's a fact, it's a truth, people can get it. But it's nothing so difficult. You see, when the blossom time comes how many flowers become fruits. In the beginning may be only one flower or two flowers, but when the blossom time comes people have to see that. And in the same way you have to face that a time has to come where thousands must get realization, millions must get it; billions must get it. As soon as possible, it is for you. Please try to spread this message that you are to become the spirit. This is a very important time which we miss. For example say our machine is not yet connected. Say a television is not connected what's the use of moving the knobs? You won't get anything. On the contrary, you may spoil the television. Or say a telephone, when we pray to God also we telephone without connection. We have to have the connection. That's very important. And that's what it was when Christ said that you are to be born again. As it is, you know, Christ was not allowed to live more than three and half years in that horrible country. He was crucified for saying what? He told the truth. He just told the truth that you have to become the spirit, which is a fact; you have to become the spirit. I mean it is such a simple thing to understand that we have not yet found out our absolute. We do not know why are we here, what is our absolute sense. Unless and until you find your absolute, you will live in relativity. You don't know whether this person is right or that person is right; whether he is a saint, or he is a satanic force, or what sort of a vibrations he has got. Even to such an extent that I was surprised, in Spain that some people told us that for us vibrations means heat. I said, "Any machine which it goes out, creates heat, friction, it creates heat. How did you believe that it is heat?" They said, "You feel very heated up." To understand one thing mentally is different than to understand it spiritually. Spiritually means you become the spirit, the absolute. There is no other opinion about it. For example, there is a gentleman sitting here, and you get ten children who are realized souls. There are many realized souls these days born in America; I must tell you. Many children are born realized. And those children if you put them together and ask them what's wrong with this person, they will all raise this finger, saying this is the finger, that's burning. It's objective, just they say this is the finger that's burning. Even if you close their eyes, they'll say the same thing. There cannot be two opinions about that person, and that means he's suffering from the trouble that is in this center called as cervical plexus. You see this one in Sanskrit is called as 'Vishuddhi Charka'. But in the gross it manifests as cervical plexus. Now in the universe, America is placed at this point. is a very important point because it has sixteen sub plexuses. And you'll be amazed that the Saturn, the Saturn is the body of this plexus, Saturn. And now they have discovered that it has got sixteen planets, and one that was caught up by them, even the ring and all that is already told about this. So all these things they're finding out was found out long time back and was described from a subtler level. Now this is a very, very important thing one has to know that America itself God has created with a special purpose. Abraham Lincoln and all these people, great people who talked about the fraternity, and the collectivity, and all that. Because this is the center of collectivity, this is the center where people feel the collectivity. Even your Unity Church is the outcome of that unconscious guiding that you have to become the collective beings. And this collective being is placed here at the Vishuddhi Chakra which is important because it has got sixteen sub plexuses and that controls all our lymphatic systems, and our ears, eyes, nose, and all these important thing, and neck also. Also from here arises the ego and the superego which is shown from there. But actually they start coming up from here. When man raised his head from animal stage like this, this center started developing in a very peculiar way. And in that condition this ego and superego started evolving and forming a cup like this. About this I'm going to tell you tomorrow, all about these centers, and about the chakras, and all that. But today I want to tell you about the truth. The truth as it is that God loved us, in His divine love He created us. And first thing that He has produced, or first thing that He created for us is His divine love, this all pervading power. And that divine power also resided within us as this Kundalini. Now this power within us is the power of desire to be one with God, which is not yet manifested. It is called as a sleeping desire, or we can say a sleeping energy because it has not yet manifested. Supposing I create a machinery and do not put to the mains, it doesn't work. So though I've put all my effort and everything to create the machinery, unless and until I put it to the mains it is still in a sleeping state. So it is also called as a residual energy, meaning it has created the whole universe of the human beings but it has not been yet manifested. That's why it is called as a residual energy. This energy is within us. Now I would say that when I say something to you or if I tell you something, you should not also take Me for granted because I may be telling you lies, gossip But that doesn't mean that you should deny Me. Like a scientist, you should have an open mind when you come here. It's an hypothesis for you. And once the hypothesis is proved then you have to accept it. And that's what one should come with that attitude. I would not say that people have ego or rationality too much, but it should be logical. Logically you must reach a point to understand that there are very many things we do not understand. For example, medical science cannot explain that the law is, the health of a person or a human being as he is always reacts to any foreign thing that enters into the body, anything that enters into the body. And when a lady conceives the fetus is not thrown out. Not only but it is nurtured and thrown out at the right time when it is [mature?], when it is perfectly matured enough to get out from the mother's womb. How it happens they cannot explain. Even they say that acetylcholine and adrenalin, these are two chemicals, ordinary chemicals as you know as all chemicals are. But in the human body they cannot say why they augment and why they relax. They cannot explain the mode of action of these two. They cannot explain. Psychology, now take psychology. I mean science has created the stage for Sahaja Yoga. It has created because they cannot jump on to it, so they have definitely created a state from where somebody has to tell them how to jump. Psychology now for example Jung, a person of his caliber, went all out to find out what was universal unconscious. And he studied so many dreams and so many patients and found out that there is an universal unconscious which sends dreams which gives us universal symbols. Whether you are in India or here or anywhere else you get the same symbols. For example, he said that if you see a particular type of triangle which is downward facing, the apex is downward then it means that you'll be murdered. If you see, the same triangle upward that means you will murder someone. So the unconscious is giving you a guidance. He also said very clearly how he treated some patients with this understanding that there was a lady who came to see him, and the daughter was with her. And she said that, "I always dream," the daughter said, "that my mother is a witch while my mother is very kind to me, I don't know how to understand this dream that says that my mother is a witch, and she is just [draining?] me?" So he studied her and he asked the mother, "Do you spoil your daughter very much?" She said, "Yes, I give her lots of money, and I give her everything, and I give her all the freedom, and I say, 'Do what you like with yourself', I'm not bothered about her." And the daughter was very young about 15 years of age. So the unconscious was giving the warning to the daughter say that, "Do not take to these things, be careful. If she's spoiling you, be careful." Then another dream, just to match with it, he said, "There was a gentleman who always saw in his dream that he's bowing to his son, all the time bowing to his son." And like a king the son was sitting, and he was just going and bowing to him." So he came to him and told him, "I don't know why I get such a dream." He said, "What is your relation with your son?" He said, "The son is just, I would say because he was born to my first wife, and my second wife is against him, and that's not good relationship, and you see I cannot afford to be very friendly with him.," and all sorts of things he, the relationship was not so good. So then he said, "That's the thing that your son is very much liked by God. He is a saint. He is a good person. And why you are troubling him? So the unconscious giving you all the time the information that you just don't do that." And that's how he calculated what kind of a symbol expresses what. And it was amazing, though he got his realization very late in life, the way he discovered that there is universal unconscious. This universal unconscious is nothing but this all-pervading power. Now it is unconscious, means it is not in our central nervous system. We are not conscious of it. So we have to be conscious of it. How do we get conscious of it is that, first we have to get connected to our Spirit because spirit is the expression of that universal unconscious within us or you can say the link. Unless and until you get your Self-Realization you cannot be linked, you cannot be linked with this universal power which is within us as Kundalini and which is without all over. It is most surprising to understand that God who has created us with such care with such love, especially as a human being which is the most beautiful thing God has created. We may or may not think so. We may not. We may have self-pity; we may have guilt, all these nonsensical ideas. But you don't know. You're special thing that God has created. And on top of that the highest human being are not these politicians, or these great successes, and geniuses, and all that but who? These are the seekers because they have to enter into the kingdom of God. It is their right first to enter into the kingdom of God. They are a very, very special category. And this is very well described by a great poet William Blake, who says that these are men of God. And he described the modern times and Sahaja Yoga very well. He says, "These men of God will be born in those days, and they will become prophets, and they will have powers to make others prophets." And that's the thing he said. Then when you go to any seeking or any one you must know, "Have you become your own master?" You must have the mastery. Supposing you want to learn a car driving, a simple thing like that, you should know how to drive the car. Supposing you go to somebody for any seeking, you must know, "Have you been able to drive yourself all right towards seeking?" For example, I've seen people who just start jumping. When I went to India, there was gentleman who was sitting, and he put his feet forward like that. So people said, "You can't put your feet towards Mother. That's not proper." He said, "Oh, God. If I put my feet backwards, I will start jumping like a frog." I said, "How? Why? What has happened to you?" He said, "My Kundalini is awakened by my guru, and he says after Kundalini is awakened you start jumping like a frog." And he showed Me in the book this fellow had written that you start jumping like a frog. Can you imagine? It was written in the book. I said, "Are you going become now frogs or earthworms? Are you going to jump like that, like a monkey or a frog? Are you going to bark like a dog?" You are going to become a super human being. You are not going to be driven by these forces, these are all negative forces, which control you and make you mad like this. You have to understand everything when you get your realization, every word of it. It's so logical; it's so practical as he says. It is so practical, and it is so wonderful. Gavin Brown who came here first, was one of the first Sahaja Yogis I had in London. And you know English people are rather difficult to crack, I mean, rather difficult people. But they are first class. I mean that's the good thing because they do not get exposed to so many nonsenses that some people who are open can get you. And once they get realization they're really top class people. Now this gentleman when he got realization, he said, "Mother, you said we can be collectively conscious. I can't believe it. How can I become?" I said, "If I tell you about the television, you won't believe Me till I put it to the mains. You see anybody will think it's just a box. But you are a great instrument, and you have started working." He said, "All right! I am rather worried about my father. He didn't telephone to me all these days." I said, "All right. You just telephone to him and find out." I said, "First of all see your vibrations." He said, "Mother, I'm getting a burning here, a terrible burning." Now these are the centers for your father, right hand side, these are the centers. So, I said "All right. That means, this center that means he must be down with a very bad bronchitis." He telephoned, and the mother came in, and she said, "I am sorry your father is down with very bad bronchitis." This telecommunication, this divine power knows everything. It understands everything. It knows you very well because it has created you. It organizes everything, it cooperates everything, it puts everything into integration, it works out everything. It works out so many things, even material things it works out; even getting a ticket, it will work out. It's so helpful; all the angels are there. Just to see all that, to witness it itself is so great. From lowest to the highest, it works out everything for you. And the whole, the sum total, the unity of it is that it is love. So it is so kind, it is so compassionate, it looks after you. It, you see, hobnobs with you little bit, you see, gives you little lesson here and there, but it never allows you to be ruined. It gives you little lessons if you do wrong; it teaches you little bit then again it brings you back. It is so loving, so kind. Specially for people who are just realized, are like small little children like seedlings. It looks after. It guides you very much, it helps you so much. It's such a wonderful thing to be with it, and the whole thing looks like a fun, like a drama. I went to see a gentleman called Harban in New York, and he had three children born realized. One was about seven, another was about five, and the little one was about three years. And all one better than the other with sparkling eyes just waiting for Me. And when I reached there they said, "Mother, aren't there three eyes we have got?" I said, "Yes, where?" "One here, one here, and one there. And daddy doesn't believe me." And this one of these gurus has told him wrong that there is only one eye. No there are three, three are centers here actually. And they argue with their father. And they said, "Mother, aren't you tired?" I said, "Why?" "We are tired now because we are watching the story bit too much. We should finish now." Just imagine. Small children of seven years and five years are talking like this. My own grandchildren are realized souls, and they are so wonderful that the one who was three years of age went to school, and everywhere these days they are selling God. So in the school they gave some papers they are saying that, in the paper was saying so, that if you come to a particular hotel and pay about 100 rupees, you can get your transformation. So she looked at Me, she said, "Transformation is not possible till you get your Kundalini up there, up here." I said, "It's true. It has to happen but they are saying like this." But the elder one says, "It is not possible. They are saying, 'You can give a course.' How can you give you course? My father has done fourteen courses. His Kundalini has not risen as yet. If by courses if you can raise the Kundalini then my father's Kundalini should have been there." You see they understand these things so clearly, so clearly. If you talk to them, you'll be amazed. The another granddaughter of Mine, she was five years of age, and she went to Ladhak with her father. And there she saw one Lama sitting like this with a [unclear] dress he was wearing. And she told me he was wearing a maxi. She couldn't understand the dress was the dress of saint so called. So she went there, and she looked at him, and she couldn't bear when... You see when everybody was touching his feet. And the father went and touched his feet, and when mother went and touched his feet she just went and stood before him. And she said, "You are not even a realized soul, in Hindi [unknown Hindi word], you are not even a realized soul. What do you mean by getting everybody's salutes? You are not even a realized soul, and you have no business to do that." She stood up like that. And these two, my daughter and son in law were so embarrassed. She said, "You get down from there, you are not a realized soul, you should not allow anybody to touch your feet." Can you imagine a five-year-old child saying that? It happens. These children are coming up within ten years you'll see. They are the edifice, they are the complete structure, but you are the foundations of these great work, you are the foundations. So you must get your realization, that's the main thing. You must get your realization. Once you get realization, all other things which I've described that, what, I solve your alcoholism, and other problems like mental stress, and all that goes without saying. You see once you get your realization everything will work out. So first of all you must get your realization. And as you get realized all these problems get mostly solved by themselves because, why do we take to alcoholism or to drugs? Either for seeking or for escaping. Because you are so bored with yourself and with others that you take to these things, absolutely it is the expression of boredom. You don't know what to do with yourself, you don't know why are you here, why you are existing, and why these boring people are around you. You just get fed up with it. And you are bored with the matter. You don't understand. Now you've bought your Hoover, you bought you fridge, you bought your house now, what to do now? What to buy? So that's how you start taking to these things, and you develop these habits then because everything forms a habit. Anything material forms a habit, even a car. Even a chair can give you a habit that you can't sit on the ground. So these things form a habit, and you are becoming habituated, and that's how you get into it. But as soon as you find your spirit, you know you are beauty, you are so enjoyable, whole thing is such a fun, such a fun, because you become a witness. And then these things drop out, just forget about it. You just forget about, you don't have to remember that you have to take any drugs. And some people told us that, "Mother, we just forgot. And the drug was lying with us, and we forgot that we were druggists and chemists." They were just relieved of that problem. And how we cure the cancer, how we cure other diseases, and how imbalances work out within us. All these things I will tell you tomorrow and explain to you in all details. But just now is a day, is a very great day of Lalita Panchami. In India we say that this is first day of the Holy Ghost permeating this power all over, and is very great day. And when I came to Houston the vibrations were so great. I said, "Oh God. This is the place where something has to happen." And I'm very anxious that you first get your realization, and then we'll talk about it. Because if you come in this room there's darkness and you are blind, you can't see anything. What's the use of explaining any color or anything? First let us have the eyes, let us have the light, and then we'll talk about it. It's much easier to talk about that. But in any case I would like you to ask Me some questions about this part of the lecture. May God bless you all. [Shri Mataji and audience laughing] Shri Mataji: They are real seekers. Seeker says, she is feeling it, she thinks. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes I know you are great people over here. You must feel it, very, very good. I know you are feeling it. Tremendous, it's tremendous, I am just one with you. It should happen to all of you. It will take hardly any time, but don't be adamant like small children are: "I won't eat." You see. If you are hungry, you'll just have it. I've done the cooking. You just have it and enjoy it. You don't have to bother as to how I have done it. I've really done it, no doubt. Shri Mataji: Yes, please. Question: "When the Holy Spirit comes down," he says in fact, "does that just happen one time?" Shri Mataji: All right. You see the whole working of this is the other way round. First, this Kundalini rises, you see, above, because you see, when you put your hands towards Me or anybody who is realized soul who knows the job, you see - She knows, because She understands everything. So the information goes through your fingers because these fingers are actually sleeping centers, the manifestation, the gross manifestation of these centers. So the information goes down to Her there, and then She rises just like a primule or the sprouting in a seed. She rises as you put a seed in the Mother Earth the seed knows, and the seed starts sprouting. In the same way She sprouts and this germinating power, first time. Now this one, as I am going to tell you all about it tomorrow very much clearly, but may be one thread out of it might be able to pierce through because if there is problem in the centers, if there's physical, emotional, mental, any problem then the centers are constricted, then She just goes gradually and awakens one center after another, expands it, and She makes this bone become soft, just like a child. As Christ has said you have to become children to enter in to the Kingdom of God. This bone becomes, this really becomes softer, and this becomes softer, and through that She pierces, and you can start feeling the cool breeze in the first shot. You start feeling the cool breeze in the first shot. Then what happens when She pierces this, all pervading power starts pouring down through that, and it goes on falling on both the systems here, which I will explain tomorrow, by which these centers also expand. So the system is built in this way that first this has to open. When it opens then this all-pervading power falls on these two channels which manifest actually left and right sympathetic nervous system which I'll explain to you tomorrow. And then by relaxation, by relaxing that, you will feel relaxed after that very much, these centers open out much more. They are thronged. together. They open out and then more threads of Kundalini can rise. So in the beginning is the sprouting, it takes place, and then some people it is a very great experience. I've seen some people get it in such a big way. But then the Kundalini goes to attend to the problems of a person, but you know She is attending because you can feel it on your finger. You can feel the throbbing. Supposing you have a liver problem She'll go and throb there, and you can see the throbbing. You can actually with naked eye see the throbbing there also in some people. If there is an obstruction in the second center or in the third center then you can see the actual throbbing just like a heart. 'Lub, dub, lub, dub,' it goes on. You can feel it with the stethoscope also. The rising throbbing and here also you can feel the throbbing when it comes. With your hands you can, with your fingers, you can feel the throbbing and then that throbbing stops when She pierces through. But She can come down to look after other centers and She... Then we have to learn. Then the divine technique has to be learnt how to keep it raised, how to increase it, how to do. Before realization there is no technique, there is no technique. Once you have got the seedling then you have the technique how to make it grow. Before that there's no technique, is a living process, is all built-in, you are just pushed through. For example in machine, as I said, is very good example, you put it through. But supposing there is something wrong with the plank or something wrong then the little bit you have to correct it. Then you take a screw and screw it up. But you know everything there then how to screw it up, how to screw, which bolt is missing, whatever is done, it's very simple. And that technique one has to learn which is not at all difficult. Anybody knows it because you just know. Wherever the Kundalini is stops, immediately you say, "It is stopped." Like people will come and say, "Mother my Agnya is caught." So I will say, "All right. It means that I've got ego." If Agnya is caught that means you have got ego. But that person won't say that, "My, I have caught up with my ego. Such a big ego is on my head." But they will say that Mother my Agnya is caught. Now this is the center of Christ which is a very important center, about which I will be telling tomorrow, which is very important, which we have missed the point that He is to be awakened within us. He is to be awakened. Unless and until He is awakened we cannot enter in to the limbic area, our attention cannot enter into it. And that awakening takes place through the Kundalini's awakening, She enlightens that. So the whole mechanism I'll explain to you tomorrow, and you will see the whole thing working it out. All right? Seeker: Yes. Thank you. [unclear] A Seeker just going to tell everybody an experience and you [not clear]. Mother: All right. Seeker: All right. Thanks a lot. The seeker is describing his experience but it is not very clear. Mother: Ya, that's it. You know what happens. You become thoughtlessly aware because Christ is awakened. If Christ is awakened within you, here you see the point, is very important, He sucks your ego and superego. He sucks your conditionings. He sucks your karmas on which these gurus are making money now a days. See, they tell you, "These are your karmas, you have to suffer." Then why are they there? You see, this saying if people had told Indians, it would have been a very different history but the Christians who went to India - I mean they were very funny people. You see they never told this fact that Christ is to be awakened at Agnya Chakra because they were just waiting for Him.. They knew that this has to happen. When this happens what happens? You become thoughtlessly aware - peace. That's the first thing that happens, that's in Sanskrit called as nirvichara samadhi. They say is the most difficult thing but I don't think it's most difficult. I mean if you don't put seed in the mother's land, naturally to pull out the seed is very difficult, isn't it? But otherwise it's so naturally built-in. So it happens. That is not another mind. Is the thoughtless awareness where you are beyond the mind. The English language doesn't have a proper concept of a mind. I don't know whether they mean it the intellect or they mean as the emotions because mental patience and all these words they use. But if you mean minds by intelligence or by what you call awareness it goes beyond this awareness, human awareness and takes you to another awareness called 'thoughtless awareness' that is 'enlightened awareness.' Even with this you can cure people, even with this. But once it jets out and once it is stationed that's the second stage in which you can give awakening to others just like this. Under your finger it will move. You'll see it move. You can do it from tomorrow, today if you get realization, yes. You can do it. You just feel it here. It's there. Ya, most of you have got it, just see. Shri Mataji: Put your right hand towards Me perhaps. Seeker: ...heat... Shri Mataji: Heat? Yes some heat has to come out because lots of frictions are inside. Like this, you put another hand towards Me, like this. Heat has to come, you see, because there is lot of frictions. But heat is jetting out. Now there is a chimney created. That's all right.. You should accept that part. It's still on. It will work. You put your left hand towards Me and right hand there, left hand. But you can put both the hands towards Me. Now, we'll, it's very simple. By asking few questions, you can achieve. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes, and put your left hand towards Me and right hand on your heart because the spirit resides in the heart. And now ask a question, "Mother, am I the spirit?" Just ask the question. "Mother, am I the spirit?" Ask that, put the hand like this as if you are asking for something. Like this, not that but like this. Say, "Mother, am I the spirit?" Keep your eyes closed. Ask the question in your heart, "Am I the spirit?" Then you can ask another question: "Mother, am I my own guru?" Ask three times. You will feel a little cool. Now put another hand towards Me closing your eyes and just say, "Mother I forgive everyone." That is very important. We must forgive. Just say that. Saying is very easy. Actually what do we do? We do nothing. It's a myth. When we say "we forgive" we just do nothing. When we say "we don't forgive" we torture ourselves for others. Why should we torture ourselves? We should say, "We forgive everyone," so we have no loads on ourselves. This is a self-torture system. Now say, "Mother, we forgive him." Say it again and again, will be good idea to relieve you of the problems. Now, again put your right hand on your heart and ask the question, "Mother, am I my own guru? Am I my own master? Am I my own teacher?" Because you become, you become your own teacher. Once you become that discretion power, you don't have to ask anyone. You know it yourself. Now another problem, which Western people have, is to feel guilty. I don't know from where it has come. Why should you feel guilty or why should you suffer? Christ has suffered for you, isn't it? Or there is something left for you to suffer? Why should you suffer? Why should you feel guilty? He's there to look after you. He has already promised that all your sins, blasphemy, everything will be forgiven. So just say, "Mother I am not guilty." Really, say it twice. That's very important. Just say, "Mother, I am not guilty." This is self-torture again to say that, "I'm guilty." What's the use of feeling that you are guilty? The whole system is wrong to torture yourself all the time saying that you are guilty. You are not guilty. Christ has suffered for you, you don't have to suffer. If you ask for suffering, you will have that. So you have to say that, "Mother I'm not guilty." Now last of all, you have to say, "Mother, please give me my realization," you have to ask for it. Nobody can force it on you. It's your freedom. If you want it, you can have it. If you don't want to have it, you can, just don't have it. For example, somebody asked Me very mischievously, "How do we go to hell?" I said, "Take two running jumps and you can go there." [Audience laughing] Very simple. So if you want to have realization, just say, "Mother, I want to have realization. Please give me my Self-Realization." You have to humble about it, you're asking for the ultimate and it will just work out. Now don't think about it. Just, it will go beyond thinking. You just become thoughtlessly aware. It will work out. Now feel your, on the right hand, with the right hand you can feel your cool. Ask for it, "Mother, please give me my realization." I cannot challenge your freedom that's given to you. In your glory of freedom, you should ask for a greater freedom, for a greater liberation, for real liberating. See. There? You start first feeling on the head, then you start feeling on the hands also. Just keep it like this for a while. Close your eyes. It will work out. It will work out. And also to say that, "If we have done any mistakes in our seeking, please forgive." without feeling guilty, of course, without feeling guilty. Don't feel guilty. That's a big problem. And also know that God is responsible for you. He has to be responsible about creation, and He has to come in a very special way to give you realization. He has to save His creation, He has to save you. You are His creation, all right? Got it? [Mother laughs] All of you? Those who didn't get also will get, slowly. See, like one fruit becomes then another becomes, like that, yes,. you can feel each other also, you can feel each other, vibrations. It works out. Close your eyes and enjoy. Closing of the eyes is important because when the Kundalini rises, see, the pupils of the, they dilate, of the eyes. It's better to keep the eyes closed. Otherwise the Kundalini may not rise. It's just the opposite of mesmerism. Hm. Good. You have found it. Now to believe that you have found it is very difficult because guru shopping is on in America, I think. You see they are all busy shopping, and this is a temple you enter into. And then you can't believe this is a temple, there's still the guru shopping is on. So now you have to stop this rat race for one minute, and see for yourself. You've got it. Otherwise, you will not grow. You have to become your own guru. You don't have to go to anybody else. It's you who knows everything now. You'll know gradually now. You'll be amazed how much you know. Like in America they said, "Mother, are your disciples all scholars?" I said, "No." They said, "They are such scholars. They know about so many things." I said, "You become the knowledge. Truth is the knowledge." You become the knowledge, just become.". Those who haven't got can raise their hands. Some of the Sahaja Yogis can go and help them also. Because they can talk to you, it's better to talk to you. Shri Mataji: Not to think bad. Because some people don't get it if they have physical problem. Shri Mataji: Or mental problem, doesn't matter. Those who have not felt, it's better to be honest about it because you must get it. It is your right to have it all right? Now let's see, can you go and help them? Can they come on the stage I can help them, those who haven't got? How many are there? Shri Mataji: If they could come here on the stage and be seated all here in the front line then we can work it out. You must get it. You must get it, all of you. Shri Mataji: On the stairs will be all right. They will work it out. On the stairs Shri Mataji: Just sit down anywhere, they can come round and see for yourself. Shri Mataji: Anywhere. I would like to see all of them because those who are realized are really great, I feel that. And also those who have to get realization. Now can we remove this? Shri Mataji: [unclear] Can you get the light. I'll work out with the light maybe. St. Michael's method this one is. You will also learn very soon. [unclear] Too many... [Now follows an ongoing conversation of Mother with single different seekers who came on the stage not always clearly audible. Also Mother speaks to the total audience through the microphone.] Shri Mataji: Just watch it. Watch my hand, without thinking. Just watch My hand without thinking. Can you get [unclear] please? You can sit on the chair. Put your hand [straight?]. You got it. [unclear]. You may not feel today but if [Siddhi?] can feel it then tomorrow you can feel it yourself. Because of the sensitivity in the hand, you know, may not be so good. You got it too. You got it, yes, I know. You sit down. Those who have got it should sit down, sit back. Because we'll have to get one by one. Got it, see yourself. [unclear] Just see. Higher. Good. Al right. You got it. Just put both your hands towards Me. Like this, like this, ya. See. All right? Got it now. All right. You have got it also. Can you feel him? Yes him. Hmm? [unclear] Are you feeling? Not on the head? Just see here. You got it also now. You got it now. Watch your hands, watch your head also. You got it. Just see yourself. Shri Mataji: Is it? [unclear] I would like to be closer to you also. Who is this? Most of you've got it. I think in the Nabhi. Hmm. Those who haven't really got it. [Mother laughs]. Let's see this gentleman behind the [unclear] got it. You, you only. Just see him. No, no, no. This one with the [unclear]. He's got it. He too has, the one... Shri Mataji: Yes. You can feel it, just feel it. You see, it's a very small thread, it's very subtle. Some people get it in a big way but it's very subtle. Ha. Now. All right? Now this gentleman? What about you? Just put your hands like this, let's see. Watch Me, watch Me here. Got it now. All right? [Mother laughs]. It's very simple, just go on feeling [unclear] it. Start's now, what about you? Feeling it or not? In the Nabhi; You have been to some gurus or someone? No one? You have got. You have got. You got it. All right. [Mother laughs]. You didn't go to any spiritualist? Did you? [Seeker says something but unclear] Shri Mataji: Ah, they can be very dangerous also, these spiritualists, I'll tell about all of these people tomorrow. You got it, there, with the red? All right? Good. [Mother laughs]. One by one, how you get it, you see now. Everybody has to get it, everybody's going to get it. All of you all are going to get it, so don't be worried. Just don't be worried, that's the main point. He should get it, [unclear]. Most of you have got it. Hmm. Now? Got it? Seeker: Warm... Shri Mataji: Warm, warmth will go away, will become cool. It has opened out, you see never warm coming out from here. [unclear] Now. Better? Hmm. You got it too. Now just feel it. You all got it. All right? Feels great. Look at that. How it's happening. Just like... [Mother laughs]. What about you? Did you feel? There. No. Just see him. It will work out. Just watch My hand. Don't think about it, all right? It is the beyond, it triggers into the state.. All right. We work it out. Somebody here, this side. Hmm, should be cool. It will cool down, it will cool down, little bit. You put your left hand on your liver, left hand, this side. Now put your right hand towards Me. Cool? All right? Hmm, That. Right. You have a little liver problem. Liver. Little liver. You see. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: What is happened? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Is it? That's the heart. Now put your right hand and go on saying with your left hand towards Me that, without feeling guilty, "Mother please forgive me if I have done any mistakes," and say that, "I'm the spirit." If you just say that, it will work out. All right? Seeker: All right. Shri Mataji: Just say. Go on saying. She has got it at the end there. All right? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Now he'll feel it, he'll feel it. It takes time because our fingers are not used to this. We have not felt it before. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Hmm. I told you, you had liver, that's why, that's why the heat is there. Doesn't matter, the heat is going out. It's good, it's clearing out, it's so clear. You don't have to tell Me about you suffer from. I just know, all right? And you will know too. Are you feeling? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: You have pain? You have pain in the back. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: All right! Not now, all right. Good. Most of the, you've got it now. What about you? I tell you. [unclear]. The lady behind. Hah. You got it? Did you feel? Yes, try to feel it. It's there. It's again very subtle. You have got it. What about you have got it now. don't worry now. Tell me [unclear] put your hands like this, got it. Fine. Got it now. It's cooler, very much cooler, see. It was hepatitis, it was hepatitis. I could see that, you see, and the hepatitis is cured as well, it's that. The heat had to go away. You see so much accumulation of heat in the liver. You see liver is the one which sorts out your all poisons, you see. But that shows. Tomorrow I'll be telling you all about diseases and things like that, and if there are any doctors it will be good idea for them to come and see. [unclear] my child. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Now can you put your left hand on your navel, left hand, yes. You got it. Sahaja Yogi: He’s got very bad damage here and here, from a guru I think. Shri Mataji: Which guru you went to? Seeker: Maharishi. Shri Mataji: Hum? Sahaja Yogi: Maharishi. Shri Mataji: Ah! ‘Sakshat Narakasura Mardini’ ‘Om Sakhsat, Narakasura Mardini’ ‘Om Sakhsat Narakasura Mardini'. You must understand even, my child. It’s very simple to find out these things, isn’t it? He is going to teach you to fly. Are we going to become birds now? Why not make you fly himself? Put him on that leaning Tower of Pisa. That’s the best way. If he can fly even one inch, you can go to him. Horrible people they tell you all stories! Sahaja Yogi: It’s blocking here and here. Shri Mataji: All right, just ‘Sakhat Narakasura Mardini’ ‘Om Sakshat, Narakasura Mardini’ ‘Om Sakshat’. Keep your eyes open my child. Just say, put your right hand on your heart and say, “Mother I am sorry for being” You see, after all you are a seeker – you have made mistakes, it’s all right. All right? Sahaja Yogi: [to the seeker] Feeling it cool? The hand? Put your right hand [inaudible] Shri Mataji: He’s horrible I tell you. He has given epilepsy to people, you won’t believe, epilepsy to people. The head of their academy in Scotland came to Me with epilepsy. His daughter, his wife, all of them got epilepsy. Horrid person. If you want to read about him, this lady went to some broker ‘News of the World’, and she’s published all about it. Horrible people! Now sit comfortably. Such a seeker, you’ll get it. Don’t you worry. Sahaja Yogi: He’s got it now. He’s felt it. Shri Mataji: Ah! You are going to get it. Whatever, let them try! I know all their tricks and the trades, all right? Ha, you got it, now, all right. Now close your eyes. Enjoy yourself. Yes please? [Seeker says something, not clear] Seeker:"What is this sensation on the whole of the hand?" Shri Mataji: You get a cool breeze and [NOT CLEAR] Seeker: Cool breeze coming up from top of... Shri Mataji: Like a jet. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Yes, heat would be there in the beginning. You see the heat of the body has to come out. He's all right now, this gentleman. We just see this gentleman. Are you better? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Hmm. You better forgive him. Better forgive him. All right? Just forgive. Just forgive. Ha. Keep your eyes open, you better [NOT CLEAR] watch [NOT CLEAR]. Ha! All right? She got it? This one. Now who have not got it? This gentleman, look after you. It's very good. Are you a science stud? Are you a science stud? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Then what? What have you studied? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Let him ask Me, builder of the builder, you see,. All right. Good. [People taking, unclear] Shri Mataji: Smoke. All right? All right. Keep it down, keep it out. That's all. You won't smoke now any more. All right! Got it, all right. [Mother laughs loudly]. With a package it was hiding there. He's found it. As soon as he took out the packet, you see, he's all right. [Mother laughs]. Otherwise, he was breathing heavily, see. Great. Great. Smoking, you'll give up. Just put in little will-power. Think of Me that time. It will go out, all right? You too, you have a liver problem? Hmm. You put your left hand on the liver. I'll tell you tomorrow about liver, everything. How to get it all right, on that. Higher. I will tell why you get livers also, everything, tomorrow. I hope you'll bring up paper and a pencil also to note down few points, and also I think they can give you My tapes later on if you want to have the tapes. Hah. Good. All right? Throw away this in the sea. Just throw away. It will go away. It will go. Are you all right? Did you feel, this gentleman. Did you feel? Not yet, all right! Those who have not yet felt again raise your hands. Just raise your hands. Dr. Warren: If you have not felt it, raise your hands. Shri Mataji: It must be. Still at the back. Dr. Warren: [UNCLEAR The others] just move back and let any others come. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, those who have not. Let others come in. Dr. Warren: Everybody should feel it, it's your own. Shri Mataji: It's your own. Those who have not felt, come along. Come along. She-seeker: [UNCLAER]. Shri Mataji: Yes, he's great. Yes. Dr Warren: If you can't feel it, [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Again, again you got it. Now come along. Dr. Warren: It's coming up and down. Shri Mataji: Please come down. Come here, I will tell you what. You turn round. Turn round. Hmm. Now you put your hands. Dr. Warren: You put your hands up. Shri Mataji: Ha. Now your eyesight has to be improved also. Now you feel it? Dr. Warren: Don't think about it, [UNCLEAR ma'am/now]. Just a ... Shri Mataji: Nabhi. (Short pause, Shri Mataji is working.) Now you are feeling? [UNCLEAR Fasten/Fastent it] again. Ha, sit down. We'll see what is catching. Sit down facing me. Dr. Warren: Turn around. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Come here. [UNCLEAR] now. Close your eyes. (Short pause, Shri Mataji is working.) Do you feel? Dr. Warren: [UNCLEAR Mother] can I ask him to forgive it, [UNCLEAR came up Mother]. Shri Mataji: You have to forgive. With whom are you angry since childhood? She-seeker: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Ha? Alright. Now you just your hand down there and you say "Mother, I forgive everyone". Just forgive. Forgive. Forgive. Forgive. Forgive. Now you got it. Are you angry? Still? She-seeker: No, I can feel it now. Shri Mataji: Now feel it. Now don't be angry with anyone, alright? You have to forgive. Now feel it, now that's it. When you start ..., see now you got it again. She-seeker: [UNCLEAR I know, I ...] Shri Mataji: Not yet yet, now see. (Laughing.) Children are so good. It's alright, it will work out. You must forgive, alright? Fully forgive. It will work out. Alright? Good. Dr. Warren: Feeling it now? She-seeker: No. Shri Mataji: (Laughing.) Again you remembered something. What are you remembering about? You have to forgive, you have to forgive. With whom are you angry? Are you alright? Just see, just put your hands towards me. You are good. You got it. Haa, now. She-seeker: Mhh, now. [UNCLEAR].

Public program Day 1. Houston (USA), 4 October 1981. It is really very kind of you to have invited Me to this beautiful meeting of such seekers who look so truthful. When I read about Unity Church and what they were doing, I felt this is the place where it is going to trigger first, because here founder himself was a realized soul. He was a realized soul. But perhaps he did not realize that others were not realized up to his level and whatever he talked was the truth, nothing but the truth. But you cannot imagine about truth, you have to become, becoming is the main point. Unless and until you become the truth, whatever you talk about it becomes talk, talk, talk. And we have had talks after talks, after talks. Now the time has come for us to become. What do we become? What do we have to expect after Self-Realization. As he has told you, I would like to tell you this way that we have heard that God's love is all-pervading. The divine love is all pervading energy. We've heard about it, we've read about it. Now what happens to us, that we are awakened in such a manner that we started feeling that power. Our sensitivity or our awareness becomes so enlightened that we start feeling that divine power around us. It exists. For example if I say there is big music going on here, and big plays and dramas going on here, you won't believe till I put a television here and say, "Now see for yourself." In the same this all-pervading power is still imaginary for us, or we can say is not our own experience. Still people believed it because it was told by great people, great incarnations like Christ. But what it means, what it is, we have not felt it, and that's the first thing that should happen to you, is to feel that. That means that our feeling is not so much yet developed, or is not enlightened, or is not evolved to that extent that we can feel. In our evolution, say from animals to this stage, how many feelings we have developed, which the animals don't have. For example if you want to take an animal through a dirty lane, he doesn't feel any dirt, or filth, or doesn't smell anything. He just walks through. Take any horse or any dog they have no problems. But for human beings to go through that will be an impossibility. Our feelings, experiencing power is so much developed that we can feel the beauty, we can feel the colors, we can see the beauty of this place. They cannot feel. But now the feeling that has to come to us is the feeling of that all pervading power, the divine power which in Sanskrit is called as Brahma. That divine power is the desire of God. God desired because He loved us. He is complete. He need not have created us at all. What was the need for Him to create us? But He's love, and He's compassion. And He wanted to give His compassion, to express His compassion, and that's why He created us with what care and with what delicacy. That one has to just see. We take ourselves for granted, our evolution for granted, everything for granted. As he said that you did not pay anything to become human beings, you did not pay for anything. For example everyday, you see the flowers becoming fruits. How much do you pay to the tree for it? You see a seed sprouting, how much do you pay to the seed for getting sprouted? It's all so spontaneous, it's living. And we are talking here about the living God, who lives, who does all the living things. What do we do? We do nothing. We do just dead work. Like something is dead, supposing a tree is dead, we make a chair, we can go, "We have made a chair." It's a dead from the dead. We have not done something living so far. Have we been able to convert even one flower into a fruit? And these thousands and thousands, and billions and billions of things are happening around us. That's the work of the living God. And also this evolution that has to go to its epitome now, to its last stage that is your Self-Realization. Supposing I start collecting some nuts and bolts and start collecting some sort of a machinery. You will say, "What this machinery is meant for? Why are you making it, why this evolution? Why did we evolve to this stage of a human being? What was the need? What was the purpose? Anybody would ask, "Why? Why there should be a machine made like this?" And that question is not asked by scientists so far because they have no answer for it. They are very honest. Because they have no answer, for the 'why' they don't ask that question. Whatever is presented to them they see it and say this is it, this is so, so. Now to get to God you don't have to go to Saturn or don't have to go to Moon, is within. He's within you, expressed within you, in your heart as spirit. Is all written in the Bible. I mean I am not telling something new. Christ has said, "You are to be born again." When I came nine years back in America, I gave speeches where I said, "You have to be born again." And it's a happening, it's a becoming, it should happen, it's actualization, is a real baptism that you should feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out of your head. It's actually should happen to you. So they took over and they said, "All right, we are born again," Again self-certification. Is all certifying yourself 'we are born again, we are this, we are that.'You are nothing but your spirit, and you have to become the spirit. Unless and until you have become it all this certificate is not going to help you nor you are going to feel satisfied because you are seekers. You are a special category of people born on this earth at this special time. This is a very special time, is an extremely special, because this is the blossom time, and this is the last judgment. Only through Kundalini awakening you can judge yourself otherwise there is no way of finding out. Because when the Kundalini awakens, which is settled down here in the triangular bone then your centers get awakened. When they get awakened you get this special sensitivity even on your fingertips. Now these five fingers, six and seven all of them get enlightened. Once they get enlightened, you can feel not only the all pervading power but you become, as he said, the collective conscious being. You become again I say you become. Is not that I say, "We are all brothers and sisters. We must love each other." It's not that way. But you just become. Means you start feeling the another person within yourself. So much so I was coming to Houston. And there is an Indian Sahaja Yogini who has come from India. And she told Me, "Mother, why the heart is catching so much in Houston?" I said, "Do you know there are heart specialists here who transplant heart who have got... Also there is Dr. Kuri who is doing operations on the heart patients, and there must be many heart patients in this place. And that's why you are catching on the heart." And she said, "It has become stiff my finger is." I said, "All right. There are mantras by which you can put it right." But it affects everyone, and everyone can feel it within themselves. You become the other person. Like people say, "Mother, you take money or what?" I said, "This is something one should understand, you are part and parcel of My being. I can feel you within Myself. Now supposing My finger, is something wrong with My finger. If I try to help it, am I helping anybody other? Who is the other? Who is the other person?" That's the thing. Is a real unity, is the complete integration of being when you feel everyone within yourself. You start feeling them on your fingers. You start feeling yourself also within yourself, trying to know what's wrong with you. But in that case you don't feel bad. You don't feel bad at all that you have this problem or that problem because you are no more involved. " Today I'm just introducing this method which I called as Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja, Saha means "with," ja means "born," spontaneous yoga. Means it is a in-born right of every seeker to get this union. Now today it has reached the stage of Maha Yoga, means thousands can get realization. It's a fact, it's a truth, people can get it. But it's nothing so difficult. You see, when the blossom time comes how many flowers become fruits. In the beginning may be only one flower or two flowers, but when the blossom time comes people have to see that. And in the same way you have to face that a time has to come where thousands must get realization, millions must get it; billions must get it. As soon as possible, it is for you. Please try to spread this message that you are to become the spirit. This is a very important time which we miss. For example say our machine is not yet connected. Say a television is not connected what's the use of moving the knobs? You won't get anything. On the contrary, you may spoil the television. Or say a telephone, when we pray to God also we telephone without connection. We have to have the connection. That's very important. And that's what it was when Christ said that you are to be born again. As it is, you know, Christ was not allowed to live more than three and half years in that horrible country. He was crucified for saying what? He told the truth. He just told the truth that you have to become the spirit, which is a fact; you have to become the spirit. I mean it is such a simple thing to understand that we have not yet found out our absolute. We do not know why are we here, what is our absolute sense. Unless and until you find your absolute, you will live in relativity. You don't know whether this person is right or that person is right; whether he is a saint, or he is a satanic force, or what sort of a vibrations he has got. Even to such an extent that I was surprised, in Spain that some people told us that for us vibrations means heat. I said, "Any machine which it goes out, creates heat, friction, it creates heat. How did you believe that it is heat?" They said, "You feel very heated up." To understand one thing mentally is different than to understand it spiritually. Spiritually means you become the spirit, the absolute. There is no other opinion about it. For example, there is a gentleman sitting here, and you get ten children who are realized souls. There are many realized souls these days born in America; I must tell you. Many children are born realized. And those children if you put them together and ask them what's wrong with this person, they will all raise this finger, saying this is the finger, that's burning. It's objective, just they say this is the finger that's burning. Even if you close their eyes, they'll say the same thing. There cannot be two opinions about that person, and that means he's suffering from the trouble that is in this center called as cervical plexus. You see this one in Sanskrit is called as 'Vishuddhi Charka'. But in the gross it manifests as cervical plexus. Now in the universe, America is placed at this point. is a very important point because it has sixteen sub plexuses. And you'll be amazed that the Saturn, the Saturn is the body of this plexus, Saturn. And now they have discovered that it has got sixteen planets, and one that was caught up by them, even the ring and all that is already told about this. So all these things they're finding out was found out long time back and was described from a subtler level. Now this is a very, very important thing one has to know that America itself God has created with a special purpose. Abraham Lincoln and all these people, great people who talked about the fraternity, and the collectivity, and all that. Because this is the center of collectivity, this is the center where people feel the collectivity. Even your Unity Church is the outcome of that unconscious guiding that you have to become the collective beings. And this collective being is placed here at the Vishuddhi Chakra which is important because it has got sixteen sub plexuses and that controls all our lymphatic systems, and our ears, eyes, nose, and all these important thing, and neck also. Also from here arises the ego and the superego which is shown from there. But actually they start coming up from here. When man raised his head from animal stage like this, this center started developing in a very peculiar way. And in that condition this ego and superego started evolving and forming a cup like this. About this I'm going to tell you tomorrow, all about these centers, and about the chakras, and all that. But today I want to tell you about the truth. The truth as it is that God loved us, in His divine love He created us. And first thing that He has produced, or first thing that He created for us is His divine love, this all pervading power. And that divine power also resided within us as this Kundalini. Now this power within us is the power of desire to be one with God, which is not yet manifested. It is called as a sleeping desire, or we can say a sleeping energy because it has not yet manifested. Supposing I create a machinery and do not put to the mains, it doesn't work. So though I've put all my effort and everything to create the machinery, unless and until I put it to the mains it is still in a sleeping state. So it is also called as a residual energy, meaning it has created the whole universe of the human beings but it has not been yet manifested. That's why it is called as a residual energy. This energy is within us. Now I would say that when I say something to you or if I tell you something, you should not also take Me for granted because I may be telling you lies, gossip But that doesn't mean that you should deny Me. Like a scientist, you should have an open mind when you come here. It's an hypothesis for you. And once the hypothesis is proved then you have to accept it. And that's what one should come with that attitude. I would not say that people have ego or rationality too much, but it should be logical. Logically you must reach a point to understand that there are very many things we do not understand. For example, medical science cannot explain that the law is, the health of a person or a human being as he is always reacts to any foreign thing that enters into the body, anything that enters into the body. And when a lady conceives the fetus is not thrown out. Not only but it is nurtured and thrown out at the right time when it is [mature?], when it is perfectly matured enough to get out from the mother's womb. How it happens they cannot explain. Even they say that acetylcholine and adrenalin, these are two chemicals, ordinary chemicals as you know as all chemicals are. But in the human body they cannot say why they augment and why they relax. They cannot explain the mode of action of these two. They cannot explain. Psychology, now take psychology. I mean science has created the stage for Sahaja Yoga. It has created because they cannot jump on to it, so they have definitely created a state from where somebody has to tell them how to jump. Psychology now for example Jung, a person of his caliber, went all out to find out what was universal unconscious. And he studied so many dreams and so many patients and found out that there is an universal unconscious which sends dreams which gives us universal symbols. Whether you are in India or here or anywhere else you get the same symbols. For example, he said that if you see a particular type of triangle which is downward facing, the apex is downward then it means that you'll be murdered. If you see, the same triangle upward that means you will murder someone. So the unconscious is giving you a guidance. He also said very clearly how he treated some patients with this understanding that there was a lady who came to see him, and the daughter was with her. And she said that, "I always dream," the daughter said, "that my mother is a witch while my mother is very kind to me, I don't know how to understand this dream that says that my mother is a witch, and she is just [draining?] me?" So he studied her and he asked the mother, "Do you spoil your daughter very much?" She said, "Yes, I give her lots of money, and I give her everything, and I give her all the freedom, and I say, 'Do what you like with yourself', I'm not bothered about her." And the daughter was very young about 15 years of age. So the unconscious was giving the warning to the daughter say that, "Do not take to these things, be careful. If she's spoiling you, be careful." Then another dream, just to match with it, he said, "There was a gentleman who always saw in his dream that he's bowing to his son, all the time bowing to his son." And like a king the son was sitting, and he was just going and bowing to him." So he came to him and told him, "I don't know why I get such a dream." He said, "What is your relation with your son?" He said, "The son is just, I would say because he was born to my first wife, and my second wife is against him, and that's not good relationship, and you see I cannot afford to be very friendly with him.," and all sorts of things he, the relationship was not so good. So then he said, "That's the thing that your son is very much liked by God. He is a saint. He is a good person. And why you are troubling him? So the unconscious giving you all the time the information that you just don't do that." And that's how he calculated what kind of a symbol expresses what. And it was amazing, though he got his realization very late in life, the way he discovered that there is universal unconscious. This universal unconscious is nothing but this all-pervading power. Now it is unconscious, means it is not in our central nervous system. We are not conscious of it. So we have to be conscious of it. How do we get conscious of it is that, first we have to get connected to our Spirit because spirit is the expression of that universal unconscious within us or you can say the link. Unless and until you get your Self-Realization you cannot be linked, you cannot be linked with this universal power which is within us as Kundalini and which is without all over. It is most surprising to understand that God who has created us with such care with such love, especially as a human being which is the most beautiful thing God has created. We may or may not think so. We may not. We may have self-pity; we may have guilt, all these nonsensical ideas. But you don't know. You're special thing that God has created. And on top of that the highest human being are not these politicians, or these great successes, and geniuses, and all that but who? These are the seekers because they have to enter into the kingdom of God. It is their right first to enter into the kingdom of God. They are a very, very special category. And this is very well described by a great poet William Blake, who says that these are men of God. And he described the modern times and Sahaja Yoga very well. He says, "These men of God will be born in those days, and they will become prophets, and they will have powers to make others prophets." And that's the thing he said. Then when you go to any seeking or any one you must know, "Have you become your own master?" You must have the mastery. Supposing you want to learn a car driving, a simple thing like that, you should know how to drive the car. Supposing you go to somebody for any seeking, you must know, "Have you been able to drive yourself all right towards seeking?" For example, I've seen people who just start jumping. When I went to India, there was gentleman who was sitting, and he put his feet forward like that. So people said, "You can't put your feet towards Mother. That's not proper." He said, "Oh, God. If I put my feet backwards, I will start jumping like a frog." I said, "How? Why? What has happened to you?" He said, "My Kundalini is awakened by my guru, and he says after Kundalini is awakened you start jumping like a frog." And he showed Me in the book this fellow had written that you start jumping like a frog. Can you imagine? It was written in the book. I said, "Are you going become now frogs or earthworms? Are you going to jump like that, like a monkey or a frog? Are you going to bark like a dog?" You are going to become a super human being. You are not going to be driven by these forces, these are all negative forces, which control you and make you mad like this. You have to understand everything when you get your realization, every word of it. It's so logical; it's so practical as he says. It is so practical, and it is so wonderful. Gavin Brown who came here first, was one of the first Sahaja Yogis I had in London. And you know English people are rather difficult to crack, I mean, rather difficult people. But they are first class. I mean that's the good thing because they do not get exposed to so many nonsenses that some people who are open can get you. And once they get realization they're really top class people. Now this gentleman when he got realization, he said, "Mother, you said we can be collectively conscious. I can't believe it. How can I become?" I said, "If I tell you about the television, you won't believe Me till I put it to the mains. You see anybody will think it's just a box. But you are a great instrument, and you have started working." He said, "All right! I am rather worried about my father. He didn't telephone to me all these days." I said, "All right. You just telephone to him and find out." I said, "First of all see your vibrations." He said, "Mother, I'm getting a burning here, a terrible burning." Now these are the centers for your father, right hand side, these are the centers. So, I said "All right. That means, this center that means he must be down with a very bad bronchitis." He telephoned, and the mother came in, and she said, "I am sorry your father is down with very bad bronchitis." This telecommunication, this divine power knows everything. It understands everything. It knows you very well because it has created you. It organizes everything, it cooperates everything, it puts everything into integration, it works out everything. It works out so many things, even material things it works out; even getting a ticket, it will work out. It's so helpful; all the angels are there. Just to see all that, to witness it itself is so great. From lowest to the highest, it works out everything for you. And the whole, the sum total, the unity of it is that it is love. So it is so kind, it is so compassionate, it looks after you. It, you see, hobnobs with you little bit, you see, gives you little lesson here and there, but it never allows you to be ruined. It gives you little lessons if you do wrong; it teaches you little bit then again it brings you back. It is so loving, so kind. Specially for people who are just realized, are like small little children like seedlings. It looks after. It guides you very much, it helps you so much. It's such a wonderful thing to be with it, and the whole thing looks like a fun, like a drama. I went to see a gentleman called Harban in New York, and he had three children born realized. One was about seven, another was about five, and the little one was about three years. And all one better than the other with sparkling eyes just waiting for Me. And when I reached there they said, "Mother, aren't there three eyes we have got?" I said, "Yes, where?" "One here, one here, and one there. And daddy doesn't believe me." And this one of these gurus has told him wrong that there is only one eye. No there are three, three are centers here actually. And they argue with their father. And they said, "Mother, aren't you tired?" I said, "Why?" "We are tired now because we are watching the story bit too much. We should finish now." Just imagine. Small children of seven years and five years are talking like this. My own grandchildren are realized souls, and they are so wonderful that the one who was three years of age went to school, and everywhere these days they are selling God. So in the school they gave some papers they are saying that, in the paper was saying so, that if you come to a particular hotel and pay about 100 rupees, you can get your transformation. So she looked at Me, she said, "Transformation is not possible till you get your Kundalini up there, up here." I said, "It's true. It has to happen but they are saying like this." But the elder one says, "It is not possible. They are saying, 'You can give a course.' How can you give you course? My father has done fourteen courses. His Kundalini has not risen as yet. If by courses if you can raise the Kundalini then my father's Kundalini should have been there." You see they understand these things so clearly, so clearly. If you talk to them, you'll be amazed. The another granddaughter of Mine, she was five years of age, and she went to Ladhak with her father. And there she saw one Lama sitting like this with a [unclear] dress he was wearing. And she told me he was wearing a maxi. She couldn't understand the dress was the dress of saint so called. So she went there, and she looked at him, and she couldn't bear when... You see when everybody was touching his feet. And the father went and touched his feet, and when mother went and touched his feet she just went and stood before him. And she said, "You are not even a realized soul, in Hindi [unknown Hindi word], you are not even a realized soul. What do you mean by getting everybody's salutes? You are not even a realized soul, and you have no business to do that." She stood up like that. And these two, my daughter and son in law were so embarrassed. She said, "You get down from there, you are not a realized soul, you should not allow anybody to touch your feet." Can you imagine a five-year-old child saying that? It happens. These children are coming up within ten years you'll see. They are the edifice, they are the complete structure, but you are the foundations of these great work, you are the foundations. So you must get your realization, that's the main thing. You must get your realization. Once you get realization, all other things which I've described that, what, I solve your alcoholism, and other problems like mental stress, and all that goes without saying. You see once you get your realization everything will work out. So first of all you must get your realization. And as you get realized all these problems get mostly solved by themselves because, why do we take to alcoholism or to drugs? Either for seeking or for escaping. Because you are so bored with yourself and with others that you take to these things, absolutely it is the expression of boredom. You don't know what to do with yourself, you don't know why are you here, why you are existing, and why these boring people are around you. You just get fed up with it. And you are bored with the matter. You don't understand. Now you've bought your Hoover, you bought you fridge, you bought your house now, what to do now? What to buy? So that's how you start taking to these things, and you develop these habits then because everything forms a habit. Anything material forms a habit, even a car. Even a chair can give you a habit that you can't sit on the ground. So these things form a habit, and you are becoming habituated, and that's how you get into it. But as soon as you find your spirit, you know you are beauty, you are so enjoyable, whole thing is such a fun, such a fun, because you become a witness. And then these things drop out, just forget about it. You just forget about, you don't have to remember that you have to take any drugs. And some people told us that, "Mother, we just forgot. And the drug was lying with us, and we forgot that we were druggists and chemists." They were just relieved of that problem. And how we cure the cancer, how we cure other diseases, and how imbalances work out within us. All these things I will tell you tomorrow and explain to you in all details. But just now is a day, is a very great day of Lalita Panchami. In India we say that this is first day of the Holy Ghost permeating this power all over, and is very great day. And when I came to Houston the vibrations were so great. I said, "Oh God. This is the place where something has to happen." And I'm very anxious that you first get your realization, and then we'll talk about it. Because if you come in this room there's darkness and you are blind, you can't see anything. What's the use of explaining any color or anything? First let us have the eyes, let us have the light, and then we'll talk about it. It's much easier to talk about that. But in any case I would like you to ask Me some questions about this part of the lecture. May God bless you all. [Shri Mataji and audience laughing] Shri Mataji: They are real seekers. Seeker says, she is feeling it, she thinks. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes I know you are great people over here. You must feel it, very, very good. I know you are feeling it. Tremendous, it's tremendous, I am just one with you. It should happen to all of you. It will take hardly any time, but don't be adamant like small children are: "I won't eat." You see. If you are hungry, you'll just have it. I've done the cooking. You just have it and enjoy it. You don't have to bother as to how I have done it. I've really done it, no doubt. Shri Mataji: Yes, please. Question: "When the Holy Spirit comes down," he says in fact, "does that just happen one time?" Shri Mataji: All right. You see the whole working of this is the other way round. First, this Kundalini rises, you see, above, because you see, when you put your hands towards Me or anybody who is realized soul who knows the job, you see - She knows, because She understands everything. So the information goes through your fingers because these fingers are actually sleeping centers, the manifestation, the gross manifestation of these centers. So the information goes down to Her there, and then She rises just like a primule or the sprouting in a seed. She rises as you put a seed in the Mother Earth the seed knows, and the seed starts sprouting. In the same way She sprouts and this germinating power, first time. Now this one, as I am going to tell you all about it tomorrow very much clearly, but may be one thread out of it might be able to pierce through because if there is problem in the centers, if there's physical, emotional, mental, any problem then the centers are constricted, then She just goes gradually and awakens one center after another, expands it, and She makes this bone become soft, just like a child. As Christ has said you have to become children to enter in to the Kingdom of God. This bone becomes, this really becomes softer, and this becomes softer, and through that She pierces, and you can start feeling the cool breeze in the first shot. You start feeling the cool breeze in the first shot. Then what happens when She pierces this, all pervading power starts pouring down through that, and it goes on falling on both the systems here, which I will explain tomorrow, by which these centers also expand. So the system is built in this way that first this has to open. When it opens then this all-pervading power falls on these two channels which manifest actually left and right sympathetic nervous system which I'll explain to you tomorrow. And then by relaxation, by relaxing that, you will feel relaxed after that very much, these centers open out much more. They are thronged. together. They open out and then more threads of Kundalini can rise. So in the beginning is the sprouting, it takes place, and then some people it is a very great experience. I've seen some people get it in such a big way. But then the Kundalini goes to attend to the problems of a person, but you know She is attending because you can feel it on your finger. You can feel the throbbing. Supposing you have a liver problem She'll go and throb there, and you can see the throbbing. You can actually with naked eye see the throbbing there also in some people. If there is an obstruction in the second center or in the third center then you can see the actual throbbing just like a heart. 'Lub, dub, lub, dub,' it goes on. You can feel it with the stethoscope also. The rising throbbing and here also you can feel the throbbing when it comes. With your hands you can, with your fingers, you can feel the throbbing and then that throbbing stops when She pierces through. But She can come down to look after other centers and She... Then we have to learn. Then the divine technique has to be learnt how to keep it raised, how to increase it, how to do. Before realization there is no technique, there is no technique. Once you have got the seedling then you have the technique how to make it grow. Before that there's no technique, is a living process, is all built-in, you are just pushed through. For example in machine, as I said, is very good example, you put it through. But supposing there is something wrong with the plank or something wrong then the little bit you have to correct it. Then you take a screw and screw it up. But you know everything there then how to screw it up, how to screw, which bolt is missing, whatever is done, it's very simple. And that technique one has to learn which is not at all difficult. Anybody knows it because you just know. Wherever the Kundalini is stops, immediately you say, "It is stopped." Like people will come and say, "Mother my Agnya is caught." So I will say, "All right. It means that I've got ego." If Agnya is caught that means you have got ego. But that person won't say that, "My, I have caught up with my ego. Such a big ego is on my head." But they will say that Mother my Agnya is caught. Now this is the center of Christ which is a very important center, about which I will be telling tomorrow, which is very important, which we have missed the point that He is to be awakened within us. He is to be awakened. Unless and until He is awakened we cannot enter in to the limbic area, our attention cannot enter into it. And that awakening takes place through the Kundalini's awakening, She enlightens that. So the whole mechanism I'll explain to you tomorrow, and you will see the whole thing working it out. All right? Seeker: Yes. Thank you. [unclear] A Seeker just going to tell everybody an experience and you [not clear]. Mother: All right. Seeker: All right. Thanks a lot. The seeker is describing his experience but it is not very clear. Mother: Ya, that's it. You know what happens. You become thoughtlessly aware because Christ is awakened. If Christ is awakened within you, here you see the point, is very important, He sucks your ego and superego. He sucks your conditionings. He sucks your karmas on which these gurus are making money now a days. See, they tell you, "These are your karmas, you have to suffer." Then why are they there? You see, this saying if people had told Indians, it would have been a very different history but the Christians who went to India - I mean they were very funny people. You see they never told this fact that Christ is to be awakened at Agnya Chakra because they were just waiting for Him.. They knew that this has to happen. When this happens what happens? You become thoughtlessly aware - peace. That's the first thing that happens, that's in Sanskrit called as nirvichara samadhi. They say is the most difficult thing but I don't think it's most difficult. I mean if you don't put seed in the mother's land, naturally to pull out the seed is very difficult, isn't it? But otherwise it's so naturally built-in. So it happens. That is not another mind. Is the thoughtless awareness where you are beyond the mind. The English language doesn't have a proper concept of a mind. I don't know whether they mean it the intellect or they mean as the emotions because mental patience and all these words they use. But if you mean minds by intelligence or by what you call awareness it goes beyond this awareness, human awareness and takes you to another awareness called 'thoughtless awareness' that is 'enlightened awareness.' Even with this you can cure people, even with this. But once it jets out and once it is stationed that's the second stage in which you can give awakening to others just like this. Under your finger it will move. You'll see it move. You can do it from tomorrow, today if you get realization, yes. You can do it. You just feel it here. It's there. Ya, most of you have got it, just see. Shri Mataji: Put your right hand towards Me perhaps. Seeker: ...heat... Shri Mataji: Heat? Yes some heat has to come out because lots of frictions are inside. Like this, you put another hand towards Me, like this. Heat has to come, you see, because there is lot of frictions. But heat is jetting out. Now there is a chimney created. That's all right.. You should accept that part. It's still on. It will work. You put your left hand towards Me and right hand there, left hand. But you can put both the hands towards Me. Now, we'll, it's very simple. By asking few questions, you can achieve. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes, and put your left hand towards Me and right hand on your heart because the spirit resides in the heart. And now ask a question, "Mother, am I the spirit?" Just ask the question. "Mother, am I the spirit?" Ask that, put the hand like this as if you are asking for something. Like this, not that but like this. Say, "Mother, am I the spirit?" Keep your eyes closed. Ask the question in your heart, "Am I the spirit?" Then you can ask another question: "Mother, am I my own guru?" Ask three times. You will feel a little cool. Now put another hand towards Me closing your eyes and just say, "Mother I forgive everyone." That is very important. We must forgive. Just say that. Saying is very easy. Actually what do we do? We do nothing. It's a myth. When we say "we forgive" we just do nothing. When we say "we don't forgive" we torture ourselves for others. Why should we torture ourselves? We should say, "We forgive everyone," so we have no loads on ourselves. This is a self-torture system. Now say, "Mother, we forgive him." Say it again and again, will be good idea to relieve you of the problems. Now, again put your right hand on your heart and ask the question, "Mother, am I my own guru? Am I my own master? Am I my own teacher?" Because you become, you become your own teacher. Once you become that discretion power, you don't have to ask anyone. You know it yourself. Now another problem, which Western people have, is to feel guilty. I don't know from where it has come. Why should you feel guilty or why should you suffer? Christ has suffered for you, isn't it? Or there is something left for you to suffer? Why should you suffer? Why should you feel guilty? He's there to look after you. He has already promised that all your sins, blasphemy, everything will be forgiven. So just say, "Mother I am not guilty." Really, say it twice. That's very important. Just say, "Mother, I am not guilty." This is self-torture again to say that, "I'm guilty." What's the use of feeling that you are guilty? The whole system is wrong to torture yourself all the time saying that you are guilty. You are not guilty. Christ has suffered for you, you don't have to suffer. If you ask for suffering, you will have that. So you have to say that, "Mother I'm not guilty." Now last of all, you have to say, "Mother, please give me my realization," you have to ask for it. Nobody can force it on you. It's your freedom. If you want it, you can have it. If you don't want to have it, you can, just don't have it. For example, somebody asked Me very mischievously, "How do we go to hell?" I said, "Take two running jumps and you can go there." [Audience laughing] Very simple. So if you want to have realization, just say, "Mother, I want to have realization. Please give me my Self-Realization." You have to humble about it, you're asking for the ultimate and it will just work out. Now don't think about it. Just, it will go beyond thinking. You just become thoughtlessly aware. It will work out. Now feel your, on the right hand, with the right hand you can feel your cool. Ask for it, "Mother, please give me my realization." I cannot challenge your freedom that's given to you. In your glory of freedom, you should ask for a greater freedom, for a greater liberation, for real liberating. See. There? You start first feeling on the head, then you start feeling on the hands also. Just keep it like this for a while. Close your eyes. It will work out. It will work out. And also to say that, "If we have done any mistakes in our seeking, please forgive." without feeling guilty, of course, without feeling guilty. Don't feel guilty. That's a big problem. And also know that God is responsible for you. He has to be responsible about creation, and He has to come in a very special way to give you realization. He has to save His creation, He has to save you. You are His creation, all right? Got it? [Mother laughs] All of you? Those who didn't get also will get, slowly. See, like one fruit becomes then another becomes, like that, yes,. you can feel each other also, you can feel each other, vibrations. It works out. Close your eyes and enjoy. Closing of the eyes is important because when the Kundalini rises, see, the pupils of the, they dilate, of the eyes. It's better to keep the eyes closed. Otherwise the Kundalini may not rise. It's just the opposite of mesmerism. Hm. Good. You have found it. Now to believe that you have found it is very difficult because guru shopping is on in America, I think. You see they are all busy shopping, and this is a temple you enter into. And then you can't believe this is a temple, there's still the guru shopping is on. So now you have to stop this rat race for one minute, and see for yourself. You've got it. Otherwise, you will not grow. You have to become your own guru. You don't have to go to anybody else. It's you who knows everything now. You'll know gradually now. You'll be amazed how much you know. Like in America they said, "Mother, are your disciples all scholars?" I said, "No." They said, "They are such scholars. They know about so many things." I said, "You become the knowledge. Truth is the knowledge." You become the knowledge, just become.". Those who haven't got can raise their hands. Some of the Sahaja Yogis can go and help them also. Because they can talk to you, it's better to talk to you. Shri Mataji: Not to think bad. Because some people don't get it if they have physical problem. Shri Mataji: Or mental problem, doesn't matter. Those who have not felt, it's better to be honest about it because you must get it. It is your right to have it all right? Now let's see, can you go and help them? Can they come on the stage I can help them, those who haven't got? How many are there? Shri Mataji: If they could come here on the stage and be seated all here in the front line then we can work it out. You must get it. You must get it, all of you. Shri Mataji: On the stairs will be all right. They will work it out. On the stairs Shri Mataji: Just sit down anywhere, they can come round and see for yourself. Shri Mataji: Anywhere. I would like to see all of them because those who are realized are really great, I feel that. And also those who have to get realization. Now can we remove this? Shri Mataji: [unclear] Can you get the light. I'll work out with the light maybe. St. Michael's method this one is. You will also learn very soon. [unclear] Too many... [Now follows an ongoing conversation of Mother with single different seekers who came on the stage not always clearly audible. Also Mother speaks to the total audience through the microphone.] Shri Mataji: Just watch it. Watch my hand, without thinking. Just watch My hand without thinking. Can you get [unclear] please? You can sit on the chair. Put your hand [straight?]. You got it. [unclear]. You may not feel today but if [Siddhi?] can feel it then tomorrow you can feel it yourself. Because of the sensitivity in the hand, you know, may not be so good. You got it too. You got it, yes, I know. You sit down. Those who have got it should sit down, sit back. Because we'll have to get one by one. Got it, see yourself. [unclear] Just see. Higher. Good. Al right. You got it. Just put both your hands towards Me. Like this, like this, ya. See. All right? Got it now. All right. You have got it also. Can you feel him? Yes him. Hmm? [unclear] Are you feeling? Not on the head? Just see here. You got it also now. You got it now. Watch your hands, watch your head also. You got it. Just see yourself. Shri Mataji: Is it? [unclear] I would like to be closer to you also. Who is this? Most of you've got it. I think in the Nabhi. Hmm. Those who haven't really got it. [Mother laughs]. Let's see this gentleman behind the [unclear] got it. You, you only. Just see him. No, no, no. This one with the [unclear]. He's got it. He too has, the one... Shri Mataji: Yes. You can feel it, just feel it. You see, it's a very small thread, it's very subtle. Some people get it in a big way but it's very subtle. Ha. Now. All right? Now this gentleman? What about you? Just put your hands like this, let's see. Watch Me, watch Me here. Got it now. All right? [Mother laughs]. It's very simple, just go on feeling [unclear] it. Start's now, what about you? Feeling it or not? In the Nabhi; You have been to some gurus or someone? No one? You have got. You have got. You got it. All right. [Mother laughs]. You didn't go to any spiritualist? Did you? [Seeker says something but unclear] Shri Mataji: Ah, they can be very dangerous also, these spiritualists, I'll tell about all of these people tomorrow. You got it, there, with the red? All right? Good. [Mother laughs]. One by one, how you get it, you see now. Everybody has to get it, everybody's going to get it. All of you all are going to get it, so don't be worried. Just don't be worried, that's the main point. He should get it, [unclear]. Most of you have got it. Hmm. Now? Got it? Seeker: Warm... Shri Mataji: Warm, warmth will go away, will become cool. It has opened out, you see never warm coming out from here. [unclear] Now. Better? Hmm. You got it too. Now just feel it. You all got it. All right? Feels great. Look at that. How it's happening. Just like... [Mother laughs]. What about you? Did you feel? There. No. Just see him. It will work out. Just watch My hand. Don't think about it, all right? It is the beyond, it triggers into the state.. All right. We work it out. Somebody here, this side. Hmm, should be cool. It will cool down, it will cool down, little bit. You put your left hand on your liver, left hand, this side. Now put your right hand towards Me. Cool? All right? Hmm, That. Right. You have a little liver problem. Liver. Little liver. You see. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: What is happened? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Is it? That's the heart. Now put your right hand and go on saying with your left hand towards Me that, without feeling guilty, "Mother please forgive me if I have done any mistakes," and say that, "I'm the spirit." If you just say that, it will work out. All right? Seeker: All right. Shri Mataji: Just say. Go on saying. She has got it at the end there. All right? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Now he'll feel it, he'll feel it. It takes time because our fingers are not used to this. We have not felt it before. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Hmm. I told you, you had liver, that's why, that's why the heat is there. Doesn't matter, the heat is going out. It's good, it's clearing out, it's so clear. You don't have to tell Me about you suffer from. I just know, all right? And you will know too. Are you feeling? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: You have pain? You have pain in the back. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: All right! Not now, all right. Good. Most of the, you've got it now. What about you? I tell you. [unclear]. The lady behind. Hah. You got it? Did you feel? Yes, try to feel it. It's there. It's again very subtle. You have got it. What about you have got it now. don't worry now. Tell me [unclear] put your hands like this, got it. Fine. Got it now. It's cooler, very much cooler, see. It was hepatitis, it was hepatitis. I could see that, you see, and the hepatitis is cured as well, it's that. The heat had to go away. You see so much accumulation of heat in the liver. You see liver is the one which sorts out your all poisons, you see. But that shows. Tomorrow I'll be telling you all about diseases and things like that, and if there are any doctors it will be good idea for them to come and see. [unclear] my child. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Now can you put your left hand on your navel, left hand, yes. You got it. Sahaja Yogi: He’s got very bad damage here and here, from a guru I think. Shri Mataji: Which guru you went to? Seeker: Maharishi. Shri Mataji: Hum? Sahaja Yogi: Maharishi. Shri Mataji: Ah! ‘Sakshat Narakasura Mardini’ ‘Om Sakhsat, Narakasura Mardini’ ‘Om Sakhsat Narakasura Mardini'. You must understand even, my child. It’s very simple to find out these things, isn’t it? He is going to teach you to fly. Are we going to become birds now? Why not make you fly himself? Put him on that leaning Tower of Pisa. That’s the best way. If he can fly even one inch, you can go to him. Horrible people they tell you all stories! Sahaja Yogi: It’s blocking here and here. Shri Mataji: All right, just ‘Sakhat Narakasura Mardini’ ‘Om Sakshat, Narakasura Mardini’ ‘Om Sakshat’. Keep your eyes open my child. Just say, put your right hand on your heart and say, “Mother I am sorry for being” You see, after all you are a seeker – you have made mistakes, it’s all right. All right? Sahaja Yogi: [to the seeker] Feeling it cool? The hand? Put your right hand [inaudible] Shri Mataji: He’s horrible I tell you. He has given epilepsy to people, you won’t believe, epilepsy to people. The head of their academy in Scotland came to Me with epilepsy. His daughter, his wife, all of them got epilepsy. Horrid person. If you want to read about him, this lady went to some broker ‘News of the World’, and she’s published all about it. Horrible people! Now sit comfortably. Such a seeker, you’ll get it. Don’t you worry. Sahaja Yogi: He’s got it now. He’s felt it. Shri Mataji: Ah! You are going to get it. Whatever, let them try! I know all their tricks and the trades, all right? Ha, you got it, now, all right. Now close your eyes. Enjoy yourself. Yes please? [Seeker says something, not clear] Seeker:"What is this sensation on the whole of the hand?" Shri Mataji: You get a cool breeze and [NOT CLEAR] Seeker: Cool breeze coming up from top of... Shri Mataji: Like a jet. [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Yes, heat would be there in the beginning. You see the heat of the body has to come out. He's all right now, this gentleman. We just see this gentleman. Are you better? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Hmm. You better forgive him. Better forgive him. All right? Just forgive. Just forgive. Ha. Keep your eyes open, you better [NOT CLEAR] watch [NOT CLEAR]. Ha! All right? She got it? This one. Now who have not got it? This gentleman, look after you. It's very good. Are you a science stud? Are you a science stud? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Then what? What have you studied? [Seeker says something, not clear] Shri Mataji: Let him ask Me, builder of the builder, you see,. All right. Good. [People taking, unclear] Shri Mataji: Smoke. All right? All right. Keep it down, keep it out. That's all. You won't smoke now any more. All right! Got it, all right. [Mother laughs loudly]. With a package it was hiding there. He's found it. As soon as he took out the packet, you see, he's all right. [Mother laughs]. Otherwise, he was breathing heavily, see. Great. Great. Smoking, you'll give up. Just put in little will-power. Think of Me that time. It will go out, all right? You too, you have a liver problem? Hmm. You put your left hand on the liver. I'll tell you tomorrow about liver, everything. How to get it all right, on that. Higher. I will tell why you get livers also, everything, tomorrow. I hope you'll bring up paper and a pencil also to note down few points, and also I think they can give you My tapes later on if you want to have the tapes. Hah. Good. All right? Throw away this in the sea. Just throw away. It will go away. It will go. Are you all right? Did you feel, this gentleman. Did you feel? Not yet, all right! Those who have not yet felt again raise your hands. Just raise your hands. Dr. Warren: If you have not felt it, raise your hands. Shri Mataji: It must be. Still at the back. Dr. Warren: [UNCLEAR The others] just move back and let any others come. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, those who have not. Let others come in. Dr. Warren: Everybody should feel it, it's your own. Shri Mataji: It's your own. Those who have not felt, come along. Come along. She-seeker: [UNCLAER]. Shri Mataji: Yes, he's great. Yes. Dr Warren: If you can't feel it, [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Again, again you got it. Now come along. Dr. Warren: It's coming up and down. Shri Mataji: Please come down. Come here, I will tell you what. You turn round. Turn round. Hmm. Now you put your hands. Dr. Warren: You put your hands up. Shri Mataji: Ha. Now your eyesight has to be improved also. Now you feel it? Dr. Warren: Don't think about it, [UNCLEAR ma'am/now]. Just a ... Shri Mataji: Nabhi. (Short pause, Shri Mataji is working.) Now you are feeling? [UNCLEAR Fasten/Fastent it] again. Ha, sit down. We'll see what is catching. Sit down facing me. Dr. Warren: Turn around. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Come here. [UNCLEAR] now. Close your eyes. (Short pause, Shri Mataji is working.) Do you feel? Dr. Warren: [UNCLEAR Mother] can I ask him to forgive it, [UNCLEAR came up Mother]. Shri Mataji: You have to forgive. With whom are you angry since childhood? She-seeker: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Ha? Alright. Now you just your hand down there and you say "Mother, I forgive everyone". Just forgive. Forgive. Forgive. Forgive. Forgive. Now you got it. Are you angry? Still? She-seeker: No, I can feel it now. Shri Mataji: Now feel it. Now don't be angry with anyone, alright? You have to forgive. Now feel it, now that's it. When you start ..., see now you got it again. She-seeker: [UNCLEAR I know, I ...] Shri Mataji: Not yet yet, now see. (Laughing.) Children are so good. It's alright, it will work out. You must forgive, alright? Fully forgive. It will work out. Alright? Good. Dr. Warren: Feeling it now? She-seeker: No. Shri Mataji: (Laughing.) Again you remembered something. What are you remembering about? You have to forgive, you have to forgive. With whom are you angry? Are you alright? Just see, just put your hands towards me. You are good. You got it. Haa, now. She-seeker: Mhh, now. [UNCLEAR].

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